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00:01:18.820All right, guys. So last week we had Anthony Fauci in front of Congress. It was interesting
00:01:24.260because we just saw his diary come out. The man somehow had it just sitting on a server and it
00:01:29.780revealed all kinds of insane things. What a narcissist he was, how evil he was. But also,0.69
00:01:35.120while it was cathartic to watch this hearing i fear that nothing is going to come from it and
00:01:40.720if nothing comes from it we're going to pay a dear cost and of course i know the man who literally
00:01:45.680wrote the book on the fauci regime uh you know the vax everything that came after it so i wanted to
00:01:50.680talk to him today about it because he's very passionate about this issue steve dace thank
00:01:55.000you so much for coming on man you bet brother always good to see you thank you absolutely so
00:01:59.580So I guess first things first, let's talk about this journal because it's kind of amazing
00:02:05.140that Fauci just kind of left it on a government server, right?
00:02:07.880Like didn't even bother to put it on paper or keep it on his own laptop.
00:02:11.360He was so arrogant, so careless, so thoroughly believing in his own invincibility that he
00:02:17.440would leave these ruminations just sitting around for people to find.
00:02:21.180And inside that volume, I didn't read everything, but I saw that some of the highlights people
00:02:25.440passing around and we saw a deeply narcissistic man a man who was just obsessed with the celebrity
00:02:31.340that had been created around him that powerful people wanted to talk to me the tv you know stars
00:02:36.780wanted to talk to me sounded like a five-year-old girl who had been flipping through an issue of
00:02:41.700tiger beat uh for all the people who will not grasp that reference at all uh but uh along with
00:02:47.920this we also saw a disregard for the truth that he knew that certain steps he were taking didn't
00:02:53.040matter that they didn't match any kind of science. And for a guy who walked around saying, I am the
00:02:57.380science, the fact that he was just willing to write this down again, what does this diary reveal to us
00:03:03.480about the nature of Anthony Fauci? Malignant forms of narcissism, for sure. And, you know,
00:03:12.320a tree by its fruit. And that diary is completely congruent. There's like a synchronicity
00:03:47.120but we're fully aware of everything from the very beginning number one is if you go back to and
00:03:52.160fauci reiterates this in his diaries by the way but if you go back to the february 28th 2020
00:03:57.360edition of the of the new england journal of medicine now of course he didn't write that on
00:04:02.400february 28th it was probably written a few weeks before that right to be published in a periodical
00:04:06.140like that but if you go back and read what fauci co-authored on february 28th in the new england
00:04:11.300Journal of Medicine, talking about COVID, he basically nailed what would be the eventual CFR,
00:04:16.840case fatality rate for COVID, and how modest it would be, kind of like a super flu, basically,
00:04:23.540and essentially what he wrote in his own diary. And then he shows up on that March date. I want
00:04:29.960to say it was March 11th or somewhere around there. He shows up in Congress and basically
00:04:33.780says, abandon hope, all ye who entered. Well, what changed? Because he was writing before this
00:04:39.800scandemic began and predicting accurately what the CFR was going to be. He was writing it out
00:04:46.920in his journal privately as it was unfolding a more modest CFR. And then we get to things like
00:04:52.960infection fatality rates. And this is important. You want your doctor, when you're consulting a
00:04:58.080physician and there's a contagion going on, you have the pathogen variety, not the social variety.
00:05:04.300You want a doctor who's going to cite CFR because you're a case, not a community, right?
00:05:08.780But if we're doing epidemiology, if we're doing public health and we're determining policy for wide swaths of people, thousands, if not millions of people, then you want to do infection fatality, right? Because now you're making decisions that determine essentially the progress of an entire family, community, culture, et cetera.
00:05:26.840So the infection fatality rate was even lower than that, way lower than that, because I know
00:05:33.020everybody started seeing graphics on Fox News and other places, but the virus basically just
00:05:37.460kind of showed up the day they shut the country down, but it had been here for weeks or months
00:05:41.280beforehand. If you go back to the flu rates leading up to when they finally shut the country
00:05:46.140down, you can see we had a ravaging flu season, a flu and pneumonia season. So how many of those
00:05:52.080were COVID cases? They just didn't have a code for that yet. And so it got lumped in with that.
00:05:56.360And then they told us all that we're conspiracy theorists to not to do that.
00:05:59.760And then when Debbie, Debbie Birx finally stepped forward on, you know, that map that
00:06:03.960she showed us that one day of the spread of the virus, what did she call it?
00:06:07.480I F I influenza, I L I influenza like illness.
00:06:11.520So then after telling us for weeks that we weren't allowed to compare it to the flu, they
00:15:29.700They followed this data and they were aware of it all along.
00:15:33.560They took a cancer drug that had a black box warning that had been taken off the market.
00:15:37.920And while they told you that ivermectin was horse-paced when they had just given it a
00:15:42.760Nobel Prize just a few years before COVID, because they wanted to give you this other
00:15:47.380drug instead, and the University of Iowa right here in my backyard was one of the first medical
00:15:51.860institutions to study it, what they found was the drug didn't work.
00:15:55.520It was more likely to cause you kidney failure than to work against COVID.
00:15:59.200And so we could not take ivermectin and then refurbish it to try to work against COVID infections. That was barbaric. But we could take this failed black box warning cancer drug and turn it into a COVID drug that didn't work and it caused cancer instead.
00:16:18.520They knew all of this. They knew all of this all along. And I think maybe the most damning thing,
00:16:24.500something I've heard a lot over the last few months with all the conspiracy theories surrounding my
00:16:29.160friend Charlie Kirk's murder, is I'll have members of my audience say to me, well, aren't the people
00:16:33.860who are questioning this narrative doing what you did during COVID? And I've bristled at that
00:16:38.480because they're doing the exact opposite. What I did during COVID, and the reason why I survived
00:16:43.460is because I knew going in, Oron, I had to be 100% right. I was never allowed to be wrong about
00:16:48.700anything. The minute I was wrong about one thing, I was discredited, I was toast. They can be wrong
00:16:53.380about whatever they want. It's unfair, but those are the rules of the game. We got to be perfect.
00:16:56.980They get to say whatever they want. I always use their own data against them. I can't do a
00:17:02.520seroprevalence study. I can't do an antibody study. I can't read case files. My data all came
00:17:10.000that we cited in the book that Fauci put in his diaries that he mocked, my 179-page paperback
00:17:15.340that had more footnotes than pages. Notice he mocked it, but he couldn't argue with it
00:17:19.180because it was all his own data. It was data from our own CDC, data from his own bureaucracy
00:17:25.040and departments, data from health ministries around the world, the Dutch in particular,
00:17:29.960and the Swedes were very open and honest and transparent about this data from the very
00:17:33.800beginning. That's the other thing that will really radicalize you. They put this data out there,
00:17:39.020And then they worked with the media to suppress it so that they could have both sides of it.
00:17:43.700They could say if they were ever discovered, well, no, we did tell you about that,
00:17:48.440knowing, though, that most Americans are just going to read the chyron on the bottom.
00:17:53.480They're going to ready, fire, aim on a headline and not actually read the story.
00:17:57.100I had YouTube shut down my Facebook, or I'm sorry, I had Facebook shut down my page
00:18:01.280because I took a New York Times story about PCR testing.
00:18:04.980The New York Times, I didn't do the story.
00:18:06.520The New York Times did a story about the PCR test that they used to confirm COVID infections and that they were magnifying these samples to such incredible lengths that you could literally find the virus anywhere you wanted to in order to get a positive case.
00:18:21.040They were magnifying it beyond any other level they have for any other contagion before just posting that article written by the right wing New York Times got my entire Facebook page shut down.
00:18:32.120This was as much a censorship regime as it was anything else.
00:18:35.940The information and data was out there the entire time. They just didn't want you to see it. So again, this was all willful. It was all malevolent. They knew what they were doing, and they did it on purpose anyway.
00:18:50.200I think a lot of this, frankly, was a compliance test. I mean, if you look at it, almost every nation on Earth with a couple of examples or a couple of exceptions, regardless of form of government Iran, ideology of government, hemisphere they were in, like a Thanos snap, they all put the same draconian, tyrannical restrictions on their people. No shots fired, no treaty signed. I mean, that's the stuff I've left behind books, frankly, and we live that out in real time.
00:19:18.040And then I think what you watched happen in the military with the vax mandates there, I frankly think that was just done to purge the military. I think they were, if you look at the amount of people that resisted that vaccine to being either some form of monotheistic religious faith, it's almost one-to-one, almost perfect.
00:19:36.260I think they were absolutely purging people who, if they were one day given an order to, say, fire on their own citizens or put the will of the military and whoever's in control ahead of the Constitution and their oath of office, now you know, ultimately, that's a compliance test.
00:19:52.440Who will comply with literally anything?
00:19:54.520Because if you'll comply with that against your own body, I don't know why you wouldn't be willing to do whatever to somebody else's body, even your own countrymen.
00:20:00.340I think this entire thing was a test run for ending Western civilization. I think that's what it was.
00:20:07.180Yeah, I think that ultimately that is correct, that this is a test run for the expansion of power, especially in the managerial regime that I talk so much about.
00:20:16.940you know, this is the ultimate kind of flex of that system. The idea that because you control
00:20:22.980all the avenues of information, because you are manipulating every one of these bureaucratic,
00:20:28.600procedural, managerial organizations, that you can kind of use them all in concert to shut down
00:20:34.240society at will. And by the way, the evidence of this is so obvious, because right after they did
00:20:38.920this, we had to start hearing about how, well, we might need to do climate lockdowns, but we also
00:20:43.540might need to do all these other you know obviously it became clear that this was a system of control
00:20:47.860that we're supposed to be normalized uh you know with and this wasn't just a one-off thing that
00:20:53.140ultimately the reason they did the 180 on whether or not you were racist for believing in covid
00:20:58.120to you're a heretic for you know not taking the vax is very clearly because they recognize the
00:21:04.080ability to use this in that moment and my worry again is that if there is no consequence for this
00:21:11.480Correct. If there is no accountability, then there is just zero reason for these people not to take power and 10,000%. Right. And I think a huge part of this is a lot of people who are trying to pretend we can't have any of the reckoning on this are doing two things. Look, I'll qualify it for the thousandth time. I love what Trump has done on immigration. I love that the border is closed. I love that we are getting at least some level deportations, though I feel like it is not enough.
00:21:41.480But as good as he is on these issues, as great as he is for shutting down USAID and all these things, if the people who put us through this are not punished, if they are not willing to take kind of the axe to the root of this tree, then it will regrow.
00:21:57.240We will see this entire thing come again. And part of the problem, to be fair, is, well, Trump is still bragging about how great Operation Warp Speed was, right?
00:22:06.400And so can he really punish Fauci for a program he still praises as one of his finest accomplishments?
00:22:13.840Can he really uproot the very system that he handed, you know, that kind of had him hand the entire country over to Fauci when he was central to that transition?
00:22:24.560A lot of people mocked me when I said, well, I think Trump is being influenced by other people when it came to the war in Iran.
00:22:30.860They're like, well, Donald Trump makes all of his own decisions.
00:22:32.940Like, I don't know, man. Were you there for the pandemic?
00:22:35.680Did we miss something? Are we pretending that Donald Trump cannot be swayed by professional advisors? Again, however you feel about that war, like the idea that Trump is just this complete stalwart who has never, ever listened to advice and made a bad decision when you're considering it is just so bizarre to me.
00:22:53.400But that's like when it gets pushed on me all the time at this point.
00:22:55.880And again, I feel like I'm kind of losing my bar marbles, but just arguing for reality
00:23:08.160But literally, how else does any of this get fixed?
00:23:11.520I don't think just saying, well, we'll just replace all the bad guys with good guys.
00:23:15.500And then the problem will be solved is an actual solution to this problem.
00:23:18.500If for no other reason that you're not even doing that part, how much of these people
00:23:22.420Well, I mean, RFK Jr. has faced resistance internally within the bureaucracy from day one.
00:23:28.440So let me give some practical steps of what we can do, because there are and you're correct.
00:23:34.080I mean, ultimately, you can the reason why it's safe to go after the origin of the virus and they on a federal level and they won't talk about anything else is because that's the one part that they're confident that there's no duplicitousness.
00:23:47.760there's no culpability or guilt on the right.
00:23:50.280So going after that won't expose anybody on the right.
00:23:52.900If you want to know what I think Anthony Fauci discovered
00:23:55.440between what he wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine
00:34:15.680If you view it as the start of something,
00:34:16.960then you're going to hold on a little bit longer that trump has to be seen as he was the crowbar
00:34:22.100that pried open against its will the overton window so then we can actually start doing the
00:34:26.760stuff that people like you talk about that put people's teeth on edge right and i think that's
00:34:30.920going to be the challenge of the future of maga is that branding is that we don't end up with a
00:34:35.800dispirited base of younger people i i had a call this morning with one of my best friends who's
00:34:41.020raised all sons, all married, all born again, believing Christian guys. And the oldest and
00:34:50.160most successful of them is just like, I'm just totally out, man. I'm not even voting. I'm tired
00:34:54.900of hearing about crypto and everything else. When are we doing mass deportations? He's well
00:34:59.520off and successful. He's not one of the people worried about the food prices that Matt Walsh
00:35:03.960is posting on X about right now. He's just like, this is a generational problem. We're not doing
00:35:09.160anything to fix it on a systemic level whatsoever. That's going to be a problem moving forward.
00:35:14.840And I think Trump's going to have to be presented as the vanguard of something and not the peak of
00:35:18.620it. The problem with that is, is, you know, Reagan was supposed to be the vanguard of something.
00:35:23.420And what came after him was a stillborn conservative movement, which is ultimately
00:35:26.620what led to Trump. You know, there's a lot of great points in there. Just to reiterate your
00:35:32.080one about social isolation. You know, as you say, if you don't have that social connection,
00:35:38.400If you don't have that intermediating force between you and what's happening politically, then there is nothing to curb your behavior. There is nothing to limit what you think needs to happen there. The only reason to moderate on any of these issues is because the people around you are providing you with a reason to do so.
00:35:55.500A perspective you don't have on your own or something like that.
00:35:58.120Yeah. But but literally the exact situation that conservatives are allowing to be manufactured creates the isolation that manufactures exactly this result because young men do not have families because they do not have jobs because they do not have church communities.
00:36:14.940that's the problem and what's treated as the problem is the radicalization instead of the
00:36:19.800fact that you have left these men entirely isolated with no hope no mediating institutions
00:36:25.800no social network no reason to plug in and invest in the future and then you're surprised when
00:36:31.300nihilism shows up in your society and you treat that as if that's the problem correct no that is
00:36:35.360the symptom you manufactured the problem and now you're sitting there crying about exactly the
00:36:40.800problem that you created. And I try to explain this to people all the time. Look, suddenly people
00:36:46.860are very concerned that people are re-evaluating the fact that Francisco Franco kept nuns and
00:36:51.980priests from being murdered by communists. But the reason you got Franco is that every guy before
00:36:57.180Franco wouldn't do the job. They just kept watching anarchists murder conservative politicians
00:37:02.500in the streets, kill clergy. And eventually they said, you know what? I'll take the guy who's going
00:37:07.180to stop that whatever it takes right and so if you think trump is the beginning of this if you
00:37:12.540think trump is the the danger no trump trump is the is the guy who's failing to solve the problem
00:37:18.580so you're going to get a far more radical guy down the road and and no amount of lecturing young men
00:37:24.220and telling them that they just need to figure out how to eat rice and beans until they're 45 years
00:37:29.300old to marry a thrice divorced woman in hopes that they might get a child is going to fix this
00:37:33.940problem you have to actually address the issue and you know the the food the food discussion
00:37:39.140we're having right now is a perfect example three years ago most of the people who were talking
00:37:43.960about the price of food being fine today we're all arguing under biden that we had too much
00:37:48.660inflation that grocery prices were not being taken seriously but today they don't want to hear it
00:37:52.940because well let's be frank gas prices are way up because of the war in iran and they all support it
00:37:57.980and so they have to find some way to lie about it so now they're getting ready to blame their
00:38:02.480their failure their loss of the midterms on young men who are dissatisfied nihilists instead of
00:38:08.840taking ownership over the fact that we probably would have had an easy time coasting into this
00:38:14.000thing and they decided to completely train wreck the domestic agenda and blow up their promise on
00:38:20.360affordability so they could go fight a war in the middle east and they're just never going to admit
00:38:24.380that so guess what it's you young man we've swapped out the boomer argument over avocado toast
00:38:29.540for a millennial argument over burritos it's insane so i'm 53 and i'm right in the heart of
00:38:36.820gen x and man i am the first born of the reagan era i mean i wanted to get uh and worked as hard
00:38:44.180as i could to get my degree from the limbaugh school of advanced conservative studies i was
00:38:49.680a rush kid um i'm uh you know i have a vocational degree from the milton friedman school of
00:38:55.420economics. I was born to a 15-year-old mom. Nobody gave me anything. I had to work from
00:39:01.060nothing. We moved a ton. I'm all in on the pull yourself up by your bootstraps message. I grew up
00:39:06.960on that. But I think what has given me a unique perspective on this is someone that's from the
00:39:14.200traditional Reagan-era conservative right is having a young man for a son that I just launched
00:39:21.760out of my home this week and i know what kind of values he was raised with because i raised him
00:39:26.160and so i i know what he was exposed to and what he wasn't i know what influences he had and and
00:39:31.040he didn't and he's responsible he's got a full-time job he works hard didn't want to go to
00:39:37.260college and become a gay race communist but but he but and so if if anybody in that generation
00:39:43.480could be it could could have grown up with the the old conservative uh talking points when we0.88
00:39:49.920still had a high trust society and an intact social compact it would be junior steve my son
00:39:55.560noah and even he asked me the kinds of questions that frankly um you guys on shows like yours are
00:40:03.160asking and i think that it's important to understand that if a if a young man that went
00:40:09.200to the most exclusive christian school in the state of iowa lived in the same suburban home
00:40:14.480his entire life, raised around all the Reagan-era talking points from his old man. That's all he
00:40:21.140heard his whole life. With all of that influence, went to a spirit-filled evangelical church his
00:40:27.280entire life. With those kinds of traditional Americana influences, as he's about to go out
00:40:33.640into the real world, and now that he's in it, he is asking some of the same existential questions
00:40:38.480that you just raised. I think what the older generations need to do is pause. It doesn't
00:40:43.500mean because you're young you're right you know to the boomers credit they were the counter to0.99
00:40:47.960the counterculture they're they're the voting block that are the reason why we're not france0.81
00:40:52.340and germany right now they gave us reagan then they gave us trump without that voting block
00:40:57.300that's the difference that critical mass of boomers who countered the counterculture without
00:41:01.920that critical mass the stuff you're saying isn't doesn't sound very radical because you're not
00:41:06.520even getting allowed to say it all right you're tommy robinson today if it's not for them but the
00:41:10.820But the question is now, what's the path moving forward?
00:41:14.760And I don't think yesterday's talking points will work.
00:41:17.140I don't think 2005 sermons in your evangelical pulpit