Inside the Soros Network ｜ Guest： Matt Palumbo ｜ 10⧸22⧸25
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Matt Palumbo joins me to talk about his new book, The Soros Empire, and the influence of George Soros. Matt Palumbo is the author of The Air, A Book on the Soros Empire. He is also the founder of the Open Society Foundations, a hedge fund and co-founder of The Soros Foundation, and is a regular contributor to the New York Times, CNN, NPR, and other publications.
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Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great
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stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy. Everyone recognizes
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the importance of the Soros Network at this point. It's regularly called out even by top
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politicians like Donald Trump when he's referencing different legislators, different lawyers,
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different organizations that seem to be heavily influenced by the shadowy society. We all know
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George Soros, but of course his time is coming to an end and that empire has to go somewhere. So
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a man who has written literally the book on the air to the Soros Empire is Matt Palumbo. He is
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the author of The Air. Matt, thank you so much for coming on, man.
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Thank you so much. I came just in time. It came yesterday. So it was a very lucky timing. It's
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always great when you spend a year or so writing it. You go through six months of editing. You
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finally get the copies. You open it up. The first thing you see is a typo.
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The most exciting thing for me right now is my book is going to go into second edition and I can
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fix the typos I found again. And it was the most minor thing. I just spelled the guy's name wrong
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and I'm thinking, well, he's a liberal. So maybe I'll play it off as like disrespect. It wasn't a
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typo. That's what it was. But no, no, there's always two or three you miss, but it's so funny how
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quickly you notice them right when it's too late. So that's a lesson to writers everywhere. Always
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Yeah. If you ever want to write a book, let me promise you, the hell of your own making
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you have created will be the editorial process. I have no doubt about that. But enough inside
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baseball for authors. We're talking about the Soros Network today. Now, like I said, everyone,
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it's almost ubiquitous at this point. If you're talking about politics, even geopolitical,
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you know, across the globe, you have to talk about George Soros and his impact. So I'm sure
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some people are familiar. Some people might not be. Let's start at the beginning before
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we get to Alex Soros. Who is George Soros? Where has he amassed the wealth and power that
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he has? And what is this organization that is created?
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So he is a hungry born billionaire. Obviously, he was not a billionaire when he was born, but
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he was educated in London at the London School of Economics from undergrad through his PhD and
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started a hedge fund in the US. And I've read a lot of his financial work. The Alchemy of
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Finance is one that's very well known. And it is sort of a revolutionary text in that it is
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a challenge to econ and finance 101 and what is conventional wisdom. And it's just an entirely
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new way of thinking about things. So for instance, one of his concepts he came up with in finance
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was called reflexivity, which means that expectations can become reality. So, you know,
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if you invest in something and then you yourself create an expectation of what's going to happen
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next, other investors might then pile in and then you can sell off. And, you know, you just
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through expectations, you made something happen and were able to profit from it. Now, that concept
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of his was later deployed by him when it comes to media and having basically a media echo chamber
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that he funds and has representation in. And in my book about the father, I have a chapter where I go
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through and I define it by, you know, is it a group he's funded or given a grant to? And the other
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way is, well, what if we have someone who is on the board of a group that George Soros predominantly
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funds or at least plurality, majorly funds, who is also on the board of a major publication website,
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you know, ABC, CBS, et cetera, one of the three letter it names. And it's an entire page list of
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pretty much every single place you could imagine. And, you know, that obviously doesn't mean they
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control the entire narrative there. They could just be one or two seats at the table,
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but it's certainly a lot more influence than not having a Soros person there. And
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one of the things I did after making the list was I would just type George Soros's name into the search
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bar of those publications. And if they were ever reporting on his influence, they would do the sort
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of Republicans pounce format where you're crazy for thinking there's influence or downplaying it or the,
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you know, the last cycle of the liberal narrative where it's happening, but it's good.
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So everything was in those, those categories, but the Open Society Foundation is George Soros's,
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or I'll go back a second. Soros Funds Management is his hedge fund.
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He used those profits to fund the Open Society Foundations, and he made an enormous amount of money
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from Soros Funds Management. At least when I had written the book about the father three or four
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years ago, in terms of percent return on investment, it was the second highest of any hedge fund to ever
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exist. The only person who outperformed him was Ray Dalio, a very famous investor. But it was a kind
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of investment where, you know, $1 million becomes a billion dollars over the life cycle of the fund,
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which, you know, is 60 or 70 years. But still, that is massively outperforming. Again, every single
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fund on the planet except one. So very successful. I make the case that he inserted traded here and
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there, uses politics to his advantage to buy assets cheap, but the numbers are the numbers. And that
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is what funded his whole so-called philanthropic empire. Now, as is the case with any philanthropy,
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there are some legitimate projects he funds. You know, you throw in building wells in Africa here and
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there, building a school here and there that looks legitimate. It's sort of the Pablo Escobar model where
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you are buying favor with the population and then going to later influence it. One of the people
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who reviewed my book and actually worked on it quite a bit with me was Albania's first president
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after communism. He was telling me that when Soros came in the country, they were thrilled. They're
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like, we have absolutely nothing. This guy's giving us all this money to build schools and a lot of
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infrastructure and get internet set up. This is pretty awesome that someone wants to help us. And then
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within years of being clear, well, the schools that he's paying for are teaching the sort of
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ideology they just broke free from under communism. Obviously, Soros is more, not quite as left-wing
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as communism, but is to the left, you know, is very far left and is against the values of the new
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country they were trying to promote. And that story in particular of Albania is, I think, the longest in
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the book and just, it gives a sort of ground zero for how Soros infiltrates nations. It was the first
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country where he was able to completely rewrite their constitution. And then my friend I had just
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mentioned who refused to work with him early into the country's history after that ended up getting
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sanctioned by Soros allies in the Biden administration 30 years later. So it was a grudge that he held for a
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very long time. And, and, and the sun is still very active there, but I don't want to ramble on
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any one country. But that is the general way he does it. USAID, I think is one that became much more
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widely known thanks to Elon Musk. In fact, I had written and mentioned USAID programs in the past in my
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writings, but did not realize just how big it was. And Soros benefited from it in multiple ways. And
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the most common way would be he would use it to complement a project he's already working on.
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So it might be a group that he funds get to USAID funding, either being a group he owns early, you know,
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he founded a majority funds, or just has some stake in, or a group that he doesn't necessarily fund,
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but is ideologically aligned that he gets funding to then work with him. And when under the Obama
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administration, George was able to get the rules changed for what you have to do to get USAID funding,
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and he tied it to politics, you have to be pro gay marriage, LGBT, you know, whatever the latest thing
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the athlete people are throwing out, pro prostitution, very pro weak drug laws. And again, these are for,
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you know, listen, not every USAID project was BS. It was more just the money wasn't even getting to
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them. But, you know, you could be a group of building wells in Africa. And it's like, all right,
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I got to be for trans prostitutes now. Like, what, what am I signing on for? What is the applicant,
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you know, how is this even applicable? But that was another very major way he was able to do. So I
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guess, to stop the risk of me rambling, I'll sum it up with that.
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So, so a couple questions kind of flow out of that explanation. My first one would be,
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so it sounds like Soros genuinely did have some level of financial genius, right? Yes. But,
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how did he fall into this, right? Like you said, he wasn't born a millionaire. So what led him into
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having that level of financial acumen? Did he have a mentor? Was he brought up in some kind of
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system? Is he just the most amazing, you know, intellectual in this area that's ever been born
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and happened to like, just explode under the scene? What are the origins of him rising into that
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position? Well, you know, starting to work in finance in the US and then being able to raise
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money from investors and then taking it from there. The most influential man who,
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at the London School of Economics that he studied under was in the Indian Karl Popper. Karl Popper
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created the concept of the open society. So that's what the open society is named after. And it's
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funny because in reading his writings, his understanding of what an open society is,
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is different from Soros, which just surprised me given he named his own organization after that
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and thinks so highly of him. Because Karl Popper cited America as a perfect example of an open
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society. George Soros saw it as the opposite and wanted to radically change it. So I, you know,
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it's a pretty big thing for the, you know, you to disagree with your mentor on, but that was one of the
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things he ended up disagreeing with Karl Popper on. Well, and that's, that's my second big question
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out of this, right? Because obviously this man is a very successful capitalist, you know, whatever,
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whatever else you want to say about him, Marcus Marxist economics, at least in his own personal,
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you know, practice don't seem to be central to his ideology. And I think there's often
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some confusion with this because I'm kind of okay with the wider definition of communism,
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just being when ugly people want to destroy society and tear down God.
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Yeah, right, right, right. But yeah, I love that tweet. It's a fantastic, it's a legendary tweet for
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a reason. But I do think it's worth separating at some level Marxist economics from what I would just
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say is like progressive humanism, right? And it's interesting that Soros adopts this hyper progressive
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humanism. As you say, he goes even beyond his own mentor when it comes to the open society. What do you
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know what the origin of this kind of rabid political ideology is? It doesn't make sense for it to just
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be Marxism. Why is he so dedicated to this like broad spectrum, you know, LGBTQ progressive
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ideology across the world? Because it's not just being applied to the United States, not just like,
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well, I wanted to demoralize the United States because I recognize like this is a bad ideology.
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So apply it there. No, he wants this in every country across the world and is and is really imposing
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a large amount of influence through his wealth to do exactly that basically buying out entire
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countries when he recognizes the power of the fortune he's amassed. So what is the motivation
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behind that ideology? Ultimately, yeah, I've heard it also called a gay race communism, which very
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succinctly tells you everything you need to know. You know, it that's what is one of the harder questions
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I would get when I would, you know, research the book because saying something like, well, he's just
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an evil guy sounds like a lazy cop out answer. But is that wrong? In that, you know, we're smart guys.
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He's a smart guy. We know that every policy he favors is a net negative. I've researched a lot of the
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things he's claimed that are successes, and they are the opposite. I've gone through.
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Well, I've gone through a lot of research from people who also went through all the DAs he funded
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and his son continues to fund. And it's been a disaster everywhere. So there's really no
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benefit of the doubt of, you know, the sort of, you know, high school debate version of politics
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where we're all working for the same common good and we have a different way of getting there.
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He is just a bad guy. And, you know, I know there's a strain of leftism that believes you have to
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kind of completely destroy a society from within to then rebuild it into whatever image they want.
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But I'm always wondering, like, do they ever even get to the rebuild and the image they want?
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Because it is that Mystery Grove tweet where there's something about the progressive mind where,
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like, after Trump cleaned up D.C., there were liberals complaining that there weren't street vendors
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all over the tweets, the streets, and there was no homeless people. And I'm like, like, are we,
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we're not in the same reality as these people. So it, you know, the fact that you and I are not
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criminally insane doesn't make it very hard for us to model those kind of minds. But that is,
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that is a struggle. And his son, I think, is at least cognizant of the fact that the optics are not
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very good on him. And his PR has been a lot better than his father's. Like, when Charlie Kirk was
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assassinated, he put out an extremely normal statement that it was just, we condemn this
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horrible thing. It wasn't, but he said bad things. Or even though the stuff he said, it was just a
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straight, this is horrible, can't have it. He praised, you know, the ceasefire in Gaza and Israel and
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didn't weigh it towards one side, just made it, we praise it. So that doesn't mean he actually
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thinks that way. In fact, I doubt he himself is drafting those, but he's trying to make it at
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least seem like he's more moderate than his father. But in the, in the chapter of the book on the DAs
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that he's funded separately from his father, uh, they're just as insane, if not more. So I don't
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think he actually is. Yeah. Sorry if I laughed there, but I was just trying to imagine him like
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adjusting his mask over his lizard face, you know, like, ah, yeah, I, I will actually look
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like a human. Like, I, like, at least I'm capable. He does not talk like one of you ever heard him
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speak. No, no. No one said it perfectly that he talks like a record skipping. And if anyone looks
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up him speaking after this, they're going to laugh when you think of that description.
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Well, let me ask you, this is a motivation and I'm just speculating here, but I always want to assume,
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you know, no human walks around thinking I'm the villain, right? Like, so I, unlike the left,
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the left has no theory of mind for us, right? Like they don't bother. They can't understand how
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conservative brains work. Uh, we at least understand where the left is coming from. We disagree with
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them, but we have to live in their world every day. So we kind of understand their motivations
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better because their logic is like something we have to like parrot to get through HR meetings and stuff
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like that. Right. So I don't, I try not to just dismiss the motivations here, but I'm thinking
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about this, you know, when, uh, R. R. Reno wrote the book, uh, return of the strong gods. And in that
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book, he talks about the open society and kind of post-World War II, the idea of guys like Popper to
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basically strip out all the elements that make a civilization virile because they're worried about
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the return of a strong man, right? Like they never want to see Hitler or Mussolini or these guys.
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Again, we need to get rid of basically all the, the passions and all of the loyalties and all the
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identities that kind of forced us into this World War II mentality. And after we do that, then society
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will, will be open and, you know, we won't have these strongly held opinions about, you know, race or
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about gender or about, uh, sexuality or about religion or, you know, any of these things. And we can just
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let all that stuff go and kind of, uh, not, not have those deeper passions. And I wonder if that's
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part of Soros's ultimate motivation, even if he saw more of that in the United States than Popper
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did, if ultimately his idea and the reason it becomes global is that if he can kind of wear down
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all those edges, you know, put all the strong gods away, then he will not have to worry about the,
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you know, kind of the return of these feelings that, you know, he feared so deeply. I don't know if
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that plays into it or not, but yeah, I've, that explanation is what I always thought underpinned
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really the case for mass immigration and people legitimately think, all right, so you've had
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trouble between white people and black people. And, you know, no matter what, there's always
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to be some sort of friction, but if we take in 80 new groups that all have gripes, somehow
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there's less overall, like, if we just make everyone a minority, then we get rid of minority
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status, right? There are, I mean, there, there are, there are ethnic conflicts going on in the
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planet that we don't even know about because they're so obscure between one tribe and another.
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And just, I don't know, it was just, I mean, I, it's hard to say naive because I feel like
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it had to have been deliberate because it was so obvious that, you know, mass migration is going
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to cause a breakdown in social trust. And in fact, even the New York Times once published something
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on that. And, you know, I don't know if it necessarily correlates with our modern era of
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immigration, but, you know, but the sexual stuff is the worst it's ever been. You know,
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violence is, you know, and a lack of trust is, is, uh, I don't think violence is the worst it's
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ever been, but social trust is the worst it's ever been. And it's just, we're getting the exact
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opposite effects of what, you know, you were just saying they thought would happen if they did
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legitimately think that. I mean, now I think with Soros, it might actually just be the opposite. He knew
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all that was going to happen and does also push mass migration groups. And not only that, he also
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funds, uh, legal service, um, like legal, uh, pro bono firms in Latin America to provide legal
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assistance to the people trying to come to this country illegally. So the entire, you know,
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So obviously Soros is getting up there. George Soros is getting up there in age. I think I saw before
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the interview is like 95 at this point, which really just shows you that, you know, only the
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good die young. Uh, but ultimately, uh, he's going to have to hand this off. And that's what your,
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your new book is about that. Obviously George Soros is no longer going to be the major player
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that Alex Soros is stepping in to that position. What do we need to know about Alex? And is there any
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significant transition that we should expect between these two figures?
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So, um, it made headlines that Alex had officially been handed the throne in June of 2023.
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And a lot of, I'm actually, a lot of people didn't know that in that, and a lot of me like
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headlines, even on Fox and New York posts, they'll say George Soros does X and it's actually Alex
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behind it. So it hasn't been as I guess widely known as I thought. Um, so hopefully, you know,
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the book, um, does help with that. And he was made chairman of the board in December of 2022.
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So, I mean, I think that's probably when he was at least running the whole show, but when it comes
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to segments of the Open Society Foundation, he was in control for a much longer period. Uh, he revealed
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in an interview with, I think it was financial times that in, there was a point in 2015 when he
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was in Europe with his father and his father said, you know, I think about an age where I can't
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really travel here that much anymore. I want you to take a cake over Europe for me. So Alex has been
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taking, you know, pretty much running the show in Europe for the OSF for about a decade now. And
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there was a time in the book, for instance, when I was talking about regime change in North Macedonia.
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And around that time, uh, Alex had posted a photo to his Facebook of him and his father meeting the
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new prime minister of North Macedonia. And Alex phrased it as, it's a pleasure to introduce my
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father to the prime minister, meaning it was someone that he knew and he was just introducing his father
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to him. And, you know, the phrasing gave it away that, well, Alex was the one actually, um, behind that.
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And his father was, uh, kind of just being, getting chill in the aftermath. So, um, after he took over
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the Open Society Foundation, he solid, he actually laid off about 30% of the staff, which, um, it is
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amazing how in any NGO, there is like a double digit percentage of people doing nothing. So I guess
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credit to him for doing that, but he's, he's doubled down efforts in Ukraine, Albania, um, and Eastern
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Europe as a whole, which I noticed, I'm like, well, that's the most corrupt part of Europe. So that's
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a convenient, uh, place to consolidate. But Albania is the country he's visited the most. Um, he's, he's
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been pictured with their prime minister, uh, the socialist prime minister, about 30 times on social
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media. Um, their former prime minister showed me what he said were flight logs showing that Alex was
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there over a hundred times, um, in recent years. So if that, if those are legitimate and I don't know
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how I would possibly know how to check if they are, but if they are, it shows that he is hiding a lot of
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his meetings. And I only point that out because he's much more of an open book than his father.
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And that you can go to his Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, et cetera. And every single day, it's
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like a who's who of the world's most powerful people. And he's practically bragging about knowing
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them. Um, but, um, I'm trying to think what else? Oh yeah. So, and then like in Poland, for instance,
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he was purchasing, um, leading media companies and tabloids of the last election, but fortunately
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the, the Trump backed law and justice candidate won. So he didn't have a win there. Um, and then I also
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talk about too, like his influence in Ukraine and it's a lot of the European research was tough
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because the only reporting on it was in those languages. So I had to like figure out which
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key terms to search in a different language, like, all right, what Ukraine words am I going to search
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to try to find stuff about Alex. But, um, he did give, uh, Zelensky's wife's, uh, charity, a $1 million
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donation. Um, and then it was subsequently pictured with Zelensky a few times. He's met a lot of top
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members of their, their, you know, their equivalent on their parliament or their parliament, I should
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say. Um, he made, he's a picture with Zelensky's right-hand man on a number of occasions and they've
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wished each other happy birthday on, on X and Facebook. So he is ingrained with a lot of these
00:23:32.880
people. And, you know, it's early enough on in his reign, I guess, where not for, not for every
00:23:40.440
possible link. I can prove there's something shady going on, but it's more of a preview of
00:23:45.060
here's everyone he knows. Here's kind of where to keep your eye on.
00:23:50.120
So a lot of people have looked at the violence that's occurring in the United States right now,
00:23:56.500
Antifa, uh, many other groups that seem to coordinate together on a regular basis, but technically
00:24:02.420
we're told they don't exist. Uh, yeah. And if they do exist, they certainly aren't working together.
00:24:07.640
Um, they certainly just have all of their information and funding and things coming
00:24:12.420
simultaneously. A lot of people have pointed to the fact that a number of these NGOs are receiving
00:24:17.640
Soros money, uh, and that they might be key to fomenting the violence in the United States.
00:24:23.140
Now you've already pointed out that Soros backed NGOs are working on getting people into the country
00:24:27.780
illegally and everything else. So I don't think it's a wild stretch to imagine they'd also be
00:24:32.140
coordinating in order to do violence against ice to keep these people inside the United States.
00:24:37.140
How much credibility is there to the idea that the Soros network is funding this? And if so,
00:24:42.660
are they just an ancillary funder to this or are they core to pushing this agenda?
00:24:47.680
Yeah. I mean, it's always a sum of parts kind of thing like that 1 billion, you know,
00:24:51.120
the malice who funds the party for socialism and liberation is a kind of a similar funder,
00:24:56.700
but yeah, there was Soros money in the LA riots against ice recently. A lot of the no Kings
00:25:01.300
protests. So though to be fair, that was like a million different groups that, that assembled.
00:25:05.780
Um, and so, and then, you know, you go back to the 2014 Michael Brown riots, a lot of the groups,
00:25:10.760
they were funded by him and the George Floyd riots, a lot of what they would do then is they
00:25:15.900
would fund these like black lives matter adjacent groups. So it would be called, you know,
00:25:20.040
the movement for black lives. And then when Candace Owens said, you know, he's funded black lives matter,
00:25:24.720
15 million political back goes, no, no, they didn't. It was, uh, this other group. That's a
00:25:29.660
car, a complete clone of it, but it's a different name. So it's not true. Um, so, uh, he does that.
00:25:35.800
And then, and this is where it gets harder to prove, but the sort of funds of funds category where
00:25:41.840
he's layering the money through groups, like going to the tides foundation, which it then gives the
00:25:46.180
other groups. Um, when I was reviewing the most recent year, um, of grants from the OSF that were
00:25:52.120
half a million dollars or more, all the ones that were like 10 plus million to a group that you go
00:25:58.020
to their website and it would present itself as like a normal activist group, but there would never
00:26:03.000
be any news articles about them. Their social media would be dead and active, no followers.
00:26:08.260
Their address is like either a PO box or an office space in like some uninhabitable shithole where a
00:26:17.340
six story home is five bucks, you know, like, you know, a place where no one would actually
00:26:21.860
have an office if they're making 10 million bucks in grants. So then I would go through their
00:26:26.200
financials and they were just passed through entities disguised as activist groups where
00:26:31.060
that money would then go to a different group that would go to a different group.
00:26:35.300
And it makes it impossible to prove where any one specific dollar ends up. Like if I give a million
00:26:42.120
bucks to someone who was a billion dollars and they spend a million on, I don't know, weapons,
00:26:46.700
I could technically be like, well, mine was part of the 999 million that wasn't spent on it. And that
00:26:52.260
is what the OSF does when they try to deny things. Or my favorite line is we didn't knowingly give a
00:26:58.620
grant to a group that was going to do violence. And I'm like, they have a whole history of doing
00:27:04.480
violence. You're hoping your dollars are the ones that coincidentally do what exactly? Um, so that's how
00:27:10.920
they hide behind those allegations, but he's behind that. And then also, and one of the chapters about
00:27:17.160
Alex fighting the Trump, the Trump agenda, a lot of the immigration related lawsuits, and most of
00:27:22.700
which have failed, fortunately, but, uh, are from Soros funded legal groups. Um, and this includes
00:27:29.080
groups like the ACLU, which Soros has given over 50 million to, although obviously they have so many
00:27:35.500
other funders, I don't actually weigh them at that high, highly, but a lot of other smaller groups
00:27:40.620
where Soros is a very large percentage of their funding. And, um, you know, the, the trying to
00:27:46.000
block birthright citizenship, illegals in the census, things like that, Soros groups have been,
00:27:51.460
have been behind in the courts. So obviously, as you say, very complicated network of money laundering,
00:27:58.660
you're giving large foundations money, they're giving you money. All those are going to different
00:28:03.160
organizations, many of which with the exact same, uh, mission, but with 15 different names. So you
00:28:08.580
can never nail down one as the major actor. None of this of course is a mistake. Obviously we know
00:28:14.920
that there, there's a reason that they structure their organizations like this. And unfortunately
00:28:18.580
it's been very successful and that begs the question, right? Like when we look at these smaller
00:28:23.600
countries, I can understand ultimately how George Soros buys Lithuania, right? Like I w I would hope
00:28:30.020
that they would, the leaders would ultimately be more, uh, loyal to their own nation than they would
00:28:35.040
be to this outside funding, but you get it. It's a poor country. They need the industry. You know,
00:28:40.140
who's going to turn down all of this ultimately. However, he doesn't just have that influence in the
00:28:46.140
small, easily buyable kind of third world ish nations. He has that level of influence in top tier
00:28:53.020
first world nations as well. And that really makes us wonder why is a guy who for all we can tell just
00:29:01.740
has like money just has a fortune. Why is he allowed to go in and buy large chunks of sovereign nations
00:29:08.720
with like military and intelligence assets? Like at the end of the day, if I'm one of these major
00:29:14.580
countries and a guy like this is coming in to buy up all of my politicians and open my borders and
00:29:19.540
destroy the ability to put criminals in jail, uh, well let's just say, you know, some wet work might
00:29:25.240
get involved, you know, like, like there, there are solutions to this problem that are available to
00:29:28.880
people with, you know, large missiles and strike teams and Navy seals that aren't available to maybe
00:29:34.440
Latvia. Uh, so why are people allowing the manipulation of their sovereign, like, you know,
00:29:42.140
geopolitically dominant, uh, uh, governments by a guy who ultimately shouldn't be able to,
00:29:47.700
you know, wield a single troop? Well, because we've had people in office who've been benefiting
00:29:52.500
from it. I mean, Obama took his money. The George McCain Institute was funded by George Soros,
00:29:58.320
even as they were putting out anti George Soros materials, they were being funded by George Soros
00:30:03.580
and Cindy, Cindy McCain and Alex are good friends. They work together, they're photographed together
00:30:09.300
every year and speak highly of each other. So even like the, the old guard conservative, right?
00:30:14.300
would, you know, you rally against George Soros, but it was one of those things that was performative.
00:30:20.400
Like we, we learned for instance, it's just like where we get compact magazine, which is
00:30:24.320
the anti-globalist, but it's funded directly by the biggest globalists in the world.
00:30:29.360
We, there, there was a, there was a whole conservative class who just wanted to endlessly
00:30:34.140
critique the left. And we learned too, after Roe v. Wade was struck down that like half of the
00:30:41.300
conservative national review types were all pro-choice, but just thought Roe v. Wade would
00:30:46.060
never get struck down. So they'd never have to actually like, right, right. For a legitimate
00:30:50.440
pro-life position. But yeah, a lot of stuff like that. And with, I always wonder like, what would
00:30:58.800
the angle be to go after him? Because when it comes to funding politicians, you know, it's, it's
00:31:03.560
presumably going to get upheld as a free speech thing. Obviously there's a lot of people giving
00:31:09.440
money in politics, although Souris is the most destructive, but hey, isn't it, I'd expose
00:31:14.680
a lawyer and have to argue, well, who gets to define subjective, you know, destructive,
00:31:19.080
I'd be sounding like a libertarian. But the, I think the Rico case from Trump is the strongest
00:31:25.220
in that he is knowingly funding groups that are doing harm. And that's why I've noticed
00:31:30.320
in their press releases, they say they don't knowingly fund them. That's their defense and
00:31:35.760
response to the new attention. And the word knowing is doing a lot of very, very, very
00:31:40.800
heavy lifting. So listen, the ultimate test would be if they keep funding them after saying
00:31:46.100
we're not knowingly doing this, then it's a hundred percent, although they of course know.
00:31:50.380
And then I think a tax audit is in order in that I went through a lot of groups where the
00:31:56.760
financials just do not make any sense to me. Like there'll be one where like, they'll be
00:32:04.440
in an office and the office expense is like a hundred dollars a year and there's no computer
00:32:08.340
or internet expense. So I'm like, what, what exactly is going on here? Like, even if you're
00:32:13.660
a front group, you expect that to be a couple of grand. Am I wrong? So just weird stuff like
00:32:18.840
that. And even so the process kind of is the punishment. We learned from all the people
00:32:25.040
going after Trump. And I think that's sort of overdue and they'll probably find a lot
00:32:29.360
of things we never even thought we would have found. Well, the discovery would reveal a lot
00:32:37.580
Do you have any inside information on that Rico case? Cause I'll be honest. I want it to
00:32:43.860
be true, man. Like I want to believe, you know, I really do. I want to trust the plan here,
00:32:48.040
but I'm going to be honest. Pam Bondi doesn't fill me with a lot of, you know, competence just
00:32:55.840
doesn't feel like the, you know, the, the, the number one selection criteria there. And so I just
00:33:00.760
worry that ultimately we're going to hear about, well, we're going to put this together and it's
00:33:06.240
going to take some time. And then like in a year, maybe if we're lucky, we might get like a one
00:33:11.880
prosecution. Like, do you really feel like they have what it takes to pull this Rico prosecution
00:33:16.900
together? Well, she hasn't said she has the Rico docs in her desk. So that's, uh,
00:33:22.120
it might not disappear. I mean, we've got some prosecutions after Trump, uh, remember when he
00:33:29.540
tweeted, he wrote on true social to her and then said it was supposed to be a direct message.
00:33:34.060
I think it, I think it was supposed to be public to show to all of us, listen, I'm trying guys,
00:33:40.580
and then clean it off as that. So we would delete it. But he does seem to be putting pressure on her.
00:33:45.700
I mean, the Epstein stuff really disappointed a lot of people and I think they want to avoid
00:33:50.420
another thing like that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what about, you know, we, we know he's successful
00:33:56.100
in pushing his agenda in the West, right? We know that, that first George and now Alex Soros have been
00:34:01.960
very successful in opening up Western countries. Are they trying to do the same thing elsewhere? Are
00:34:08.320
they getting into places like China? And if so, is the government of China as flexible about this
00:34:14.040
with the United States? Cause again, the United States might get stuck somewhere in procedure,
00:34:17.880
but I feel like the other CCP in China, they just disappear. Yeah. Right. Like, so I don't,
00:34:22.760
I don't know that they'd, they'd be as careful about the implementation of hard power to stop this.
00:34:29.120
If they ultimately think that Soros is undermining their culture, their way of life, opening up their
00:34:33.240
borders. So in China specifically, George has actually been very critical of the CCP.
00:34:38.220
But if you look at the timing of it, it's because they had cracked down on a number of Chinese
00:34:45.280
companies that he's invested in. Um, not because they were targeting him just in general, but it
00:34:50.700
also then impacted him. Um, like I think one of them, it was like a Chinese version of Uber. They
00:34:56.200
went after in the stock loss, like 90% of its value in a week. And obviously that cost George a lot of
00:35:01.380
money. So his criticisms were truly motivated by him losing money because of them. But, um,
00:35:07.080
I don't think he's going to have any influence there specifically. And, you know, he's been
00:35:10.780
kicked out of countries like India and Russia. Um, so, so none there, um, Albania, the one where
00:35:17.040
Alex has the most, they are trying to push this sort of third gender thing. Um, although the public
00:35:23.260
there, it's this weird politics where the socialist party has, I think 70% of the seats, but with 55% of
00:35:31.600
the vote, just do their, however the represent their proportional system works. Um, I guess
00:35:37.360
it was a bit disproportionate, but the opposition to that stuff is like 60 plus percent. So the
00:35:42.460
public, fortunately in a lot of the decent European countries where he's pushing it is
00:35:47.280
very much against it. Um, which is good. I just, it can be forced on a population through
00:35:53.260
media, like even something like, um, you know, support for gay marriage, whether you're a favorite
00:35:59.300
or not, that was an entirely manufactured, um, campaign where the entirety of the media
00:36:04.760
presented an idea and we were kind of told all they want is marriage. And then once it
00:36:09.780
happened, we thought like, Oh, all right, well, we don't have to hear about this anymore. Thank
00:36:12.860
God. We know how that goes. Um, but no, that they left really never gives up and whether or
00:36:18.140
not it's Soros or somewhere else, it is, um, also going to require a lot of, uh, I don't
00:36:23.800
want people in the media to resist it too, but that's ultimately where it's going to
00:36:27.060
get, um, pushed. Although I do think culture is downstream from government as well.
00:36:32.440
I agree. And I think this is an interesting problem because obviously, uh, one of the
00:36:39.180
issues in the new world, as you point out, I mean, it's already an issue previously, but
00:36:43.600
media has come to dominate everything. If people don't live real lives, it's all mediated
00:36:48.200
in, in the very real sense of none of no people don't go out and experience community. They
00:36:53.560
it's all through their social media. It's all through the news they get in television,
00:36:56.360
these kinds of things. And so there's very little direct experience. And when you're living
00:37:00.680
lives like that, you're particularly vulnerable to media manipulation because you just have
00:37:06.300
no contact with the reality. Everything is, is disembodied and your hyperreality can be
00:37:11.180
tuned by people who are very good at it. And the countries that it sounds like most of the
00:37:16.920
countries that have successfully resisted him are ones that a lot of people would call
00:37:21.000
authoritarian, right? Like they're, you know, Russia, China, or, you know, countries like
00:37:25.580
India that have a significant barrier culturally that are a lot harder, uh, to manipulate in
00:37:30.420
those ways. So some of it might just be that Western nations are culturally more influenced
00:37:35.400
by the Anglosphere media. And therefore that kind of flows through them. But also it feels
00:37:40.360
like there's something about the liberal democracy, something about, uh, you know, this mass
00:37:45.940
democratic, uh, apparatus that's easily manipulated ultimately by media that's particularly, uh,
00:37:53.120
vulnerable to Soros's game plan. Is there anything to that? And, and, and what, what about a country
00:37:59.000
like Hungary with Victor Orban? Obviously he was born Hungarian. You have a Hungarian government
00:38:04.180
that now is a little more, uh, there, you know, they're, they're, they call themselves an illiberal
00:38:08.520
democracy. Uh, you know, is there, is there some kind of barrier there that's working in a way
00:38:14.300
that maybe it isn't working in other European nations? Well, I've noticed, I mean, I think
00:38:18.420
there, this media has created definitely something of a gender divide and that men are now getting
00:38:24.180
pushed very far to the right because of it. And women are more to the left as ever. And
00:38:28.460
I don't know, like we, we have sort of had this general principle of don't be a jerk, which
00:38:35.860
is a great principle, but there are times you kind of have to be one. And you see this in
00:38:41.200
things like the trans issue where, um, you know, Tommy Lahren I saw once was tweeting about the
00:38:47.140
pronoun issue and she's had me on her show. So therefore is a very good person, but she said
00:38:51.800
something I disagreed with, which was, well, you know, it made the point, like, it's not that big
00:38:56.240
a deal. It's just calling someone a different name. And well, yes, it seems small, but doing that
00:39:02.860
is a domino and you push one domino and it's going to, by the, by the time the last one falls,
00:39:10.600
it's going to be a, uh, something that you cannot even conceptualize when you're pushing the first
00:39:16.440
one. Um, we see this with immigration where there is no doubt that if you could teleport every
00:39:23.500
immigrant back to their home country, where they are, their people are, they're the most like,
00:39:28.460
it would be better off for us. And in the long run, probably maybe even for them, they'd be happy.
00:39:33.420
I don't know. It'd be better for us. But if you are watching someone physically, I don't know,
00:39:39.260
get thrown into a van and they're crying and their children are screaming, you and I realize that is
00:39:44.980
just the necessary cost. And it's a very short-term cost. And the gain we get from that is, is a million
00:39:52.260
times bigger, but there's a very large percent of the population that, that cannot tolerate even that,
00:39:58.420
even that, um, anything to, you know, I don't even know what to make it the analogy, but that
00:40:05.620
ripping off the band-aid to get you to somewhere way better. Uh, I just can't tolerate that. And
00:40:10.500
I don't know, I think media, it does seem to be having more of an impact on women than men. Um,
00:40:16.460
and actually really in every country. Um, but it's, that seems to be the most effective. It's just the
00:40:21.980
emotional thing. And then plus the false equivalences, because we, we have a historical
00:40:27.300
narrative in our country that, um, you know, we started violent, horrible slavery, um, for some
00:40:35.940
reason, then we're bad-ass warriors, but then we are oppressing our wives and our gay kids. But then,
00:40:41.940
you know, we have the women's movement, the gay movement, the trans movement, the black lives matter,
00:40:46.860
our civil rights, and we're here. And it's, you know, this fiction, it's didn't really happen like
00:40:52.780
that, but we, and most of our minds from school have that narrative in our head. And it makes the
00:40:57.900
media, it makes it very easy to push this idea that whatever the, you know, current thing is,
00:41:04.460
well, in this historic narrative, that's just the latest thing at the end. And, and, and progress is
00:41:09.980
perfectly linear, according to them. So, well, if you're against trans, well, you're right here.
00:41:14.860
So someone looking back at you, you're going to look like someone who wanted to own black people.
00:41:19.740
And like, that's how they talk about these issues. And of course, as I just said, the narrative,
00:41:23.980
the structure makes no sense because white men in the fifties are, are simultaneously racist,
00:41:30.300
but also like kicking Nazi ass five years prior. So nothing really makes any sense, but that is how
00:41:36.860
they've taught people to think and the media capitalizes on it. And then also they rewrite the
00:41:40.940
past in that, like, it used to be in the nineties. If you were to watch a remake of a movie,
00:41:48.220
it was just a remake of the movie. On Netflix, if they do a remake, they just take a movie from
00:41:55.260
the nineties and make it the demographics of like 2300. And then they, to give people this impression
00:42:01.420
that, well, this is the way things always were. This is the way things they're always going to be.
00:42:06.060
It's just a false sense of reality. I saw like, I'm not kidding. If you looked at a YouTube video
00:42:12.380
of like a baseball game from the fifties, there will be comments like, why are there so many white
00:42:17.020
people? Like people just cannot conceive what the world had even 30 years ago was. And the left wants
00:42:23.740
you to think no one was ever happy. There was even if everything on aggregate is better today,
00:42:29.340
that there was nothing individually better back then. There's something to be learned from the past.
00:42:33.900
And therefore anything they do is revolution. It's, it's just year zero thinking about the new
00:42:38.380
time. I know I should, I'm rambling. It is the true progressive belief right through and through
00:42:44.860
it is Whig history at, at the bottom. So let me ask you this. We've already discussed the Rico case,
00:42:51.020
the possibility of that. Right. But let's say that, you know, Pam Bondi sat you down tomorrow.
00:42:57.820
Donald Trump pulls you in and says, all right, Matt, what are, what are like your top suggestions
00:43:02.540
for battling Soros's influence besides going after the, you know, the, the Rico case with the NGO
00:43:08.860
networks? What other steps could you take to limit or, or eliminate entirely sources influence in the
00:43:15.740
U S? Well, I know this isn't exactly what you asked, but to start with the Rico and IRS,
00:43:21.740
I would just put together a list of what I think the most violent groups are. Um, uh, then within
00:43:28.220
the IRS ones, which the ones whose financials I looked through that I thought kind of generate the
00:43:33.900
most, um, uh, I don't know trouble. Um, it is hard. What would my strategy be? I, I feel like that's
00:43:41.180
actually a possibility. So I should have a, I should have an idea. Um, I mean, I think individually
00:43:48.620
targeting politicians that have the most Soros money and tying them to Soros would be very
00:43:53.180
effective. Um, listen, Victor Orban had a lot of success and he invested a ton of taxpayer money
00:43:59.660
and that we wouldn't even have to use taxpayer money. There's groups, other groups that could
00:44:03.100
do it, but invested taxpayer money at the anti Soros campaigns, anti Soros billboards. Um, Soros
00:44:10.140
reportedly was very upset because they would put anti Soros posters on the bottom of public buses.
00:44:16.460
So you would step on his face when you'd walk on one, maybe not that far, but, but I think an
00:44:22.540
anti Soros campaign plus linking politicians to have been making it toxic to take, uh, his money
00:44:28.300
would, would actually go very far away. Is there a way, I mean, obviously we know he's funded these
00:44:34.220
DAs and all these politicians is the money laundering just too, uh, rampant. Is it just too impossible to
00:44:41.580
track or is there a way we could target his funds? We could shut down those specific donation sources.
00:44:48.220
Well, you would then also have to go over to the groups that he's funding through.
00:44:52.780
And a lot of them too, like I just, a lot of them are shells. So, you know, it's a difference
00:44:59.900
between targeting a shell company and a legitimate business. I think a lot of them are in that category.
00:45:04.540
So I would think they would be easier to go through. Um, one group that does do a very good
00:45:09.980
job of tracing the money is, um, influence watch. Um, and then on Twitter, that account data Republican
00:45:16.300
does a really good job of breaking them out. And it's still, you still can't prove that any individual
00:45:21.340
dollar went to X, Y, or Z cause, but it does break down the networks very well. That too would
00:45:26.700
actually be a very good asset for them as well. Excellent. All right. Well, we're going to move
00:45:31.180
over to the questions of people real quick. We've got a few over there, but before we do, can you
00:45:35.020
remind people where they can pick up their book and when, if they want to learn more about it?
00:45:39.340
Yeah, so it's on Amazon.com or Barnes and Noble. I think it was probably the top two that anyone
00:45:45.660
would ever buy them on. Um, or Barnes and Noble, like the physical store too. Um, when you search for it,
00:45:53.500
search Alex Soros, because I, uh, made a major error and, and didn't realize there's a best-selling
00:46:00.620
series called the air that destroyed my SEO. So Alex Soros Palumbo the air, but it'll be there.
00:46:08.860
Um, it comes out on Tuesday. Um, my understanding is that if you order it now, it'll ship either by
00:46:17.100
Tuesday or you'll get it Tuesday, but you'll get it out at least the day of, so yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:46:22.460
Something like that. So, uh, obviously, uh, highly recommended by a book of the year.
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Of course many people are saying, many people are saying, all right, guys, make sure that you're
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checking out, uh, Matt Palumbo's book and let's head over to the questions of the people real quick.
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Uh, let's see here. Lowbrow says, uh, Matt is a highly regarded guest. Everyone at the
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James Bailey read more book club is very proud of him by his books. I'm assuming that's a inside joke.
00:46:48.940
Yeah. He was, we were in a Facebook group together and there was this liberal named James Bailey,
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who would just like either tell people to read more when he was arguing against them,
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or he would copy like text from a website. Um, and it would be so long that he'd keep a click,
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read more to see what he's trying to say. So it became an inside joke that, uh, now, uh,
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Chan, the man says, would like to see Athenian stranger or BAP on. Well,
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I've actually had Athenian stranger on, uh, several times. Uh, I'm pretty sure. Well,
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no, I've had him on at least twice. Uh, I'm pretty sure, uh, more than happy to have him on again.
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He's a brilliant guy, but you got to have the right topic. You got to dial him in. It's
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one of those intellects. You got to kind of corral a little bit, a bit. So always love to have him
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on when we're discussing a little bit of philosophy as to BAP. I mean, he's more than welcome to come
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on. Uh, he had some, uh, I think, you think he got a little angry with me when I pointed out that his,
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you know, anti-Christian stuff was a pretty subversive. Uh, but, uh, you know,
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he's more than happy to come on. Always enjoyed, uh, his work. Don't always agree,
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but I've always found it at least hilarious. And that is, uh, more often, uh, the important
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thing. So, uh, happy to speak with him as well. All right, guys, that looks like everything. So
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we're going to go ahead and wrap it up here. Once again, thank you, Matt, for coming on. It's been
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a pleasure to speak with you guys. Make sure that you're picking up his book. And if it's your first
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