The Auron MacIntyre Show - Inside the Soros Network ｜ Guest： Matt Palumbo ｜ 10⧸22⧸25

00:00:00.600 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great

00:00:04.340 stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy. Everyone recognizes

00:00:08.480 the importance of the Soros Network at this point. It's regularly called out even by top

00:00:13.740 politicians like Donald Trump when he's referencing different legislators, different lawyers,

00:00:20.140 different organizations that seem to be heavily influenced by the shadowy society. We all know

00:00:25.400 George Soros, but of course his time is coming to an end and that empire has to go somewhere. So

00:00:31.200 a man who has written literally the book on the air to the Soros Empire is Matt Palumbo. He is

00:00:37.740 the author of The Air. Matt, thank you so much for coming on, man.

00:00:41.100 Thank you so much. I came just in time. It came yesterday. So it was a very lucky timing. It's

00:00:46.400 always great when you spend a year or so writing it. You go through six months of editing. You

00:00:51.920 finally get the copies. You open it up. The first thing you see is a typo.

00:00:56.760 The most exciting thing for me right now is my book is going to go into second edition and I can

00:01:02.820 fix the typos I found again. And it was the most minor thing. I just spelled the guy's name wrong

00:01:08.420 and I'm thinking, well, he's a liberal. So maybe I'll play it off as like disrespect. It wasn't a

00:01:13.160 typo. That's what it was. But no, no, there's always two or three you miss, but it's so funny how

00:01:18.540 quickly you notice them right when it's too late. So that's a lesson to writers everywhere. Always

00:01:24.920 do one more reading.

00:01:26.940 Yeah. If you ever want to write a book, let me promise you, the hell of your own making

00:01:31.840 you have created will be the editorial process. I have no doubt about that. But enough inside

00:01:37.080 baseball for authors. We're talking about the Soros Network today. Now, like I said, everyone,

00:01:42.300 it's almost ubiquitous at this point. If you're talking about politics, even geopolitical,

00:01:47.640 you know, across the globe, you have to talk about George Soros and his impact. So I'm sure

00:01:54.400 some people are familiar. Some people might not be. Let's start at the beginning before

00:01:58.460 we get to Alex Soros. Who is George Soros? Where has he amassed the wealth and power that

00:02:04.240 he has? And what is this organization that is created?

00:02:08.420 So he is a hungry born billionaire. Obviously, he was not a billionaire when he was born, but

00:02:13.120 he was educated in London at the London School of Economics from undergrad through his PhD and

00:02:19.920 started a hedge fund in the US. And I've read a lot of his financial work. The Alchemy of

00:02:25.580 Finance is one that's very well known. And it is sort of a revolutionary text in that it is

00:02:31.680 a challenge to econ and finance 101 and what is conventional wisdom. And it's just an entirely

00:02:38.460 new way of thinking about things. So for instance, one of his concepts he came up with in finance

00:02:44.260 was called reflexivity, which means that expectations can become reality. So, you know,

00:02:52.440 if you invest in something and then you yourself create an expectation of what's going to happen

00:02:56.920 next, other investors might then pile in and then you can sell off. And, you know, you just

00:03:03.380 through expectations, you made something happen and were able to profit from it. Now, that concept

00:03:09.080 of his was later deployed by him when it comes to media and having basically a media echo chamber

00:03:15.560 that he funds and has representation in. And in my book about the father, I have a chapter where I go

00:03:22.560 through and I define it by, you know, is it a group he's funded or given a grant to? And the other

00:03:29.500 way is, well, what if we have someone who is on the board of a group that George Soros predominantly

00:03:35.240 funds or at least plurality, majorly funds, who is also on the board of a major publication website,

00:03:44.460 you know, ABC, CBS, et cetera, one of the three letter it names. And it's an entire page list of

00:03:50.980 pretty much every single place you could imagine. And, you know, that obviously doesn't mean they

00:03:56.340 control the entire narrative there. They could just be one or two seats at the table,

00:04:00.200 but it's certainly a lot more influence than not having a Soros person there. And

00:04:05.120 one of the things I did after making the list was I would just type George Soros's name into the search

00:04:11.800 bar of those publications. And if they were ever reporting on his influence, they would do the sort

00:04:17.600 of Republicans pounce format where you're crazy for thinking there's influence or downplaying it or the,

00:04:25.000 you know, the last cycle of the liberal narrative where it's happening, but it's good.

00:04:29.920 So everything was in those, those categories, but the Open Society Foundation is George Soros's,

00:04:36.080 or I'll go back a second. Soros Funds Management is his hedge fund.

00:04:40.780 He used those profits to fund the Open Society Foundations, and he made an enormous amount of money

00:04:47.280 from Soros Funds Management. At least when I had written the book about the father three or four

00:04:52.780 years ago, in terms of percent return on investment, it was the second highest of any hedge fund to ever

00:04:59.480 exist. The only person who outperformed him was Ray Dalio, a very famous investor. But it was a kind

00:05:06.060 of investment where, you know, $1 million becomes a billion dollars over the life cycle of the fund,

00:05:12.240 which, you know, is 60 or 70 years. But still, that is massively outperforming. Again, every single

00:05:18.260 fund on the planet except one. So very successful. I make the case that he inserted traded here and

00:05:23.980 there, uses politics to his advantage to buy assets cheap, but the numbers are the numbers. And that

00:05:29.700 is what funded his whole so-called philanthropic empire. Now, as is the case with any philanthropy,

00:05:36.960 there are some legitimate projects he funds. You know, you throw in building wells in Africa here and

00:05:42.680 there, building a school here and there that looks legitimate. It's sort of the Pablo Escobar model where

00:05:47.960 you are buying favor with the population and then going to later influence it. One of the people

00:05:53.860 who reviewed my book and actually worked on it quite a bit with me was Albania's first president

00:05:59.020 after communism. He was telling me that when Soros came in the country, they were thrilled. They're

00:06:04.300 like, we have absolutely nothing. This guy's giving us all this money to build schools and a lot of

00:06:10.820 infrastructure and get internet set up. This is pretty awesome that someone wants to help us. And then

00:06:16.380 within years of being clear, well, the schools that he's paying for are teaching the sort of

00:06:22.980 ideology they just broke free from under communism. Obviously, Soros is more, not quite as left-wing

00:06:30.960 as communism, but is to the left, you know, is very far left and is against the values of the new

00:06:36.960 country they were trying to promote. And that story in particular of Albania is, I think, the longest in

00:06:42.760 the book and just, it gives a sort of ground zero for how Soros infiltrates nations. It was the first

00:06:50.200 country where he was able to completely rewrite their constitution. And then my friend I had just

00:06:55.880 mentioned who refused to work with him early into the country's history after that ended up getting

00:07:01.520 sanctioned by Soros allies in the Biden administration 30 years later. So it was a grudge that he held for a

00:07:08.760 very long time. And, and, and the sun is still very active there, but I don't want to ramble on

00:07:14.200 any one country. But that is the general way he does it. USAID, I think is one that became much more

00:07:22.520 widely known thanks to Elon Musk. In fact, I had written and mentioned USAID programs in the past in my

00:07:30.080 writings, but did not realize just how big it was. And Soros benefited from it in multiple ways. And

00:07:38.160 the most common way would be he would use it to complement a project he's already working on.

00:07:45.120 So it might be a group that he funds get to USAID funding, either being a group he owns early, you know,

00:07:51.360 he founded a majority funds, or just has some stake in, or a group that he doesn't necessarily fund,

00:07:58.160 but is ideologically aligned that he gets funding to then work with him. And when under the Obama

00:08:04.240 administration, George was able to get the rules changed for what you have to do to get USAID funding,

00:08:12.560 and he tied it to politics, you have to be pro gay marriage, LGBT, you know, whatever the latest thing

00:08:18.320 the athlete people are throwing out, pro prostitution, very pro weak drug laws. And again, these are for,

00:08:26.000 you know, listen, not every USAID project was BS. It was more just the money wasn't even getting to

00:08:32.400 them. But, you know, you could be a group of building wells in Africa. And it's like, all right,

00:08:37.120 I got to be for trans prostitutes now. Like, what, what am I signing on for? What is the applicant, 1.00

00:08:42.640 you know, how is this even applicable? But that was another very major way he was able to do. So I

00:08:48.240 guess, to stop the risk of me rambling, I'll sum it up with that.

00:08:52.080 So, so a couple questions kind of flow out of that explanation. My first one would be,

00:08:59.200 so it sounds like Soros genuinely did have some level of financial genius, right? Yes. But,

00:09:05.680 how did he fall into this, right? Like you said, he wasn't born a millionaire. So what led him into

00:09:12.320 having that level of financial acumen? Did he have a mentor? Was he brought up in some kind of

00:09:17.440 system? Is he just the most amazing, you know, intellectual in this area that's ever been born

00:09:22.960 and happened to like, just explode under the scene? What are the origins of him rising into that

00:09:28.000 position? Well, you know, starting to work in finance in the US and then being able to raise

00:09:32.800 money from investors and then taking it from there. The most influential man who,

00:09:37.360 at the London School of Economics that he studied under was in the Indian Karl Popper. Karl Popper

00:09:45.440 created the concept of the open society. So that's what the open society is named after. And it's

00:09:52.320 funny because in reading his writings, his understanding of what an open society is,

00:09:58.720 is different from Soros, which just surprised me given he named his own organization after that

00:10:04.800 and thinks so highly of him. Because Karl Popper cited America as a perfect example of an open

00:10:09.840 society. George Soros saw it as the opposite and wanted to radically change it. So I, you know,

00:10:15.840 it's a pretty big thing for the, you know, you to disagree with your mentor on, but that was one of the

00:10:20.400 things he ended up disagreeing with Karl Popper on. Well, and that's, that's my second big question

00:10:25.200 out of this, right? Because obviously this man is a very successful capitalist, you know, whatever,

00:10:29.920 whatever else you want to say about him, Marcus Marxist economics, at least in his own personal,

00:10:35.760 you know, practice don't seem to be central to his ideology. And I think there's often

00:10:41.520 some confusion with this because I'm kind of okay with the wider definition of communism,

00:10:46.400 just being when ugly people want to destroy society and tear down God. 0.59

00:10:50.640 Yeah, right, right, right. But yeah, I love that tweet. It's a fantastic, it's a legendary tweet for

00:10:58.240 a reason. But I do think it's worth separating at some level Marxist economics from what I would just

00:11:05.040 say is like progressive humanism, right? And it's interesting that Soros adopts this hyper progressive

00:11:12.720 humanism. As you say, he goes even beyond his own mentor when it comes to the open society. What do you

00:11:20.000 know what the origin of this kind of rabid political ideology is? It doesn't make sense for it to just

00:11:25.580 be Marxism. Why is he so dedicated to this like broad spectrum, you know, LGBTQ progressive

00:11:33.640 ideology across the world? Because it's not just being applied to the United States, not just like,

00:11:38.480 well, I wanted to demoralize the United States because I recognize like this is a bad ideology.

00:11:42.060 So apply it there. No, he wants this in every country across the world and is and is really imposing

00:11:46.900 a large amount of influence through his wealth to do exactly that basically buying out entire

00:11:52.200 countries when he recognizes the power of the fortune he's amassed. So what is the motivation

00:11:57.240 behind that ideology? Ultimately, yeah, I've heard it also called a gay race communism, which very 0.93

00:12:03.540 succinctly tells you everything you need to know. You know, it that's what is one of the harder questions

00:12:09.520 I would get when I would, you know, research the book because saying something like, well, he's just

00:12:15.040 an evil guy sounds like a lazy cop out answer. But is that wrong? In that, you know, we're smart guys.

00:12:23.900 He's a smart guy. We know that every policy he favors is a net negative. I've researched a lot of the

00:12:30.840 things he's claimed that are successes, and they are the opposite. I've gone through.

00:12:35.080 Well, I've gone through a lot of research from people who also went through all the DAs he funded

00:12:41.440 and his son continues to fund. And it's been a disaster everywhere. So there's really no

00:12:46.920 benefit of the doubt of, you know, the sort of, you know, high school debate version of politics

00:12:53.080 where we're all working for the same common good and we have a different way of getting there.

00:12:56.860 He is just a bad guy. And, you know, I know there's a strain of leftism that believes you have to

00:13:02.340 kind of completely destroy a society from within to then rebuild it into whatever image they want.

00:13:07.900 But I'm always wondering, like, do they ever even get to the rebuild and the image they want?

00:13:13.360 Because it is that Mystery Grove tweet where there's something about the progressive mind where,

00:13:19.740 like, after Trump cleaned up D.C., there were liberals complaining that there weren't street vendors

00:13:26.300 all over the tweets, the streets, and there was no homeless people. And I'm like, like, are we,

00:13:31.740 we're not in the same reality as these people. So it, you know, the fact that you and I are not

00:13:37.100 criminally insane doesn't make it very hard for us to model those kind of minds. But that is,

00:13:42.420 that is a struggle. And his son, I think, is at least cognizant of the fact that the optics are not

00:13:48.560 very good on him. And his PR has been a lot better than his father's. Like, when Charlie Kirk was

00:13:54.080 assassinated, he put out an extremely normal statement that it was just, we condemn this

00:14:00.720 horrible thing. It wasn't, but he said bad things. Or even though the stuff he said, it was just a

00:14:06.800 straight, this is horrible, can't have it. He praised, you know, the ceasefire in Gaza and Israel and

00:14:12.260 didn't weigh it towards one side, just made it, we praise it. So that doesn't mean he actually

00:14:18.820 thinks that way. In fact, I doubt he himself is drafting those, but he's trying to make it at

00:14:24.380 least seem like he's more moderate than his father. But in the, in the chapter of the book on the DAs

00:14:29.600 that he's funded separately from his father, uh, they're just as insane, if not more. So I don't

00:14:34.480 think he actually is. Yeah. Sorry if I laughed there, but I was just trying to imagine him like

00:14:38.820 adjusting his mask over his lizard face, you know, like, ah, yeah, I, I will actually look

00:14:43.780 like a human. Like, I, like, at least I'm capable. He does not talk like one of you ever heard him

00:14:48.620 speak. No, no. No one said it perfectly that he talks like a record skipping. And if anyone looks

00:14:57.040 up him speaking after this, they're going to laugh when you think of that description.

00:15:00.880 Well, let me ask you, this is a motivation and I'm just speculating here, but I always want to assume,

00:15:05.980 you know, no human walks around thinking I'm the villain, right? Like, so I, unlike the left,

00:15:11.000 the left has no theory of mind for us, right? Like they don't bother. They can't understand how

00:15:14.980 conservative brains work. Uh, we at least understand where the left is coming from. We disagree with

00:15:20.120 them, but we have to live in their world every day. So we kind of understand their motivations

00:15:24.980 better because their logic is like something we have to like parrot to get through HR meetings and stuff

00:15:30.520 like that. Right. So I don't, I try not to just dismiss the motivations here, but I'm thinking

00:15:36.500 about this, you know, when, uh, R. R. Reno wrote the book, uh, return of the strong gods. And in that

00:15:41.300 book, he talks about the open society and kind of post-World War II, the idea of guys like Popper to

00:15:47.280 basically strip out all the elements that make a civilization virile because they're worried about

00:15:53.440 the return of a strong man, right? Like they never want to see Hitler or Mussolini or these guys.

00:15:57.020 Again, we need to get rid of basically all the, the passions and all of the loyalties and all the

00:16:02.500 identities that kind of forced us into this World War II mentality. And after we do that, then society

00:16:09.480 will, will be open and, you know, we won't have these strongly held opinions about, you know, race or

00:16:14.960 about gender or about, uh, sexuality or about religion or, you know, any of these things. And we can just

00:16:22.280 let all that stuff go and kind of, uh, not, not have those deeper passions. And I wonder if that's

00:16:27.900 part of Soros's ultimate motivation, even if he saw more of that in the United States than Popper

00:16:32.920 did, if ultimately his idea and the reason it becomes global is that if he can kind of wear down

00:16:39.220 all those edges, you know, put all the strong gods away, then he will not have to worry about the,

00:16:45.960 you know, kind of the return of these feelings that, you know, he feared so deeply. I don't know if

00:16:51.420 that plays into it or not, but yeah, I've, that explanation is what I always thought underpinned

00:16:56.600 really the case for mass immigration and people legitimately think, all right, so you've had

00:17:01.640 trouble between white people and black people. And, you know, no matter what, there's always 0.95

00:17:05.360 to be some sort of friction, but if we take in 80 new groups that all have gripes, somehow

00:17:11.300 there's less overall, like, if we just make everyone a minority, then we get rid of minority 0.99

00:17:16.140 status, right? There are, I mean, there, there are, there are ethnic conflicts going on in the

00:17:21.300 planet that we don't even know about because they're so obscure between one tribe and another.

00:17:25.620 And just, I don't know, it was just, I mean, I, it's hard to say naive because I feel like

00:17:30.500 it had to have been deliberate because it was so obvious that, you know, mass migration is going

00:17:35.700 to cause a breakdown in social trust. And in fact, even the New York Times once published something

00:17:40.360 on that. And, you know, I don't know if it necessarily correlates with our modern era of

00:17:45.580 immigration, but, you know, but the sexual stuff is the worst it's ever been. You know,

00:17:51.700 violence is, you know, and a lack of trust is, is, uh, I don't think violence is the worst it's

00:17:55.700 ever been, but social trust is the worst it's ever been. And it's just, we're getting the exact

00:18:00.780 opposite effects of what, you know, you were just saying they thought would happen if they did

00:18:06.100 legitimately think that. I mean, now I think with Soros, it might actually just be the opposite. He knew

00:18:10.460 all that was going to happen and does also push mass migration groups. And not only that, he also

00:18:15.640 funds, uh, legal service, um, like legal, uh, pro bono firms in Latin America to provide legal

00:18:23.240 assistance to the people trying to come to this country illegally. So the entire, you know, 0.98

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00:19:01.620 So obviously Soros is getting up there. George Soros is getting up there in age. I think I saw before

00:19:06.860 the interview is like 95 at this point, which really just shows you that, you know, only the

00:19:12.240 good die young. Uh, but ultimately, uh, he's going to have to hand this off. And that's what your,

00:19:17.420 your new book is about that. Obviously George Soros is no longer going to be the major player

00:19:22.100 that Alex Soros is stepping in to that position. What do we need to know about Alex? And is there any

00:19:28.660 significant transition that we should expect between these two figures?

00:19:34.120 So, um, it made headlines that Alex had officially been handed the throne in June of 2023.

00:19:40.500 And a lot of, I'm actually, a lot of people didn't know that in that, and a lot of me like

00:19:45.300 headlines, even on Fox and New York posts, they'll say George Soros does X and it's actually Alex

00:19:50.720 behind it. So it hasn't been as I guess widely known as I thought. Um, so hopefully, you know,

00:19:56.780 the book, um, does help with that. And he was made chairman of the board in December of 2022.

00:20:03.820 So, I mean, I think that's probably when he was at least running the whole show, but when it comes

00:20:09.060 to segments of the Open Society Foundation, he was in control for a much longer period. Uh, he revealed

00:20:14.720 in an interview with, I think it was financial times that in, there was a point in 2015 when he

00:20:21.900 was in Europe with his father and his father said, you know, I think about an age where I can't

00:20:26.520 really travel here that much anymore. I want you to take a cake over Europe for me. So Alex has been

00:20:33.020 taking, you know, pretty much running the show in Europe for the OSF for about a decade now. And

00:20:37.520 there was a time in the book, for instance, when I was talking about regime change in North Macedonia.

00:20:42.840 And around that time, uh, Alex had posted a photo to his Facebook of him and his father meeting the

00:20:51.000 new prime minister of North Macedonia. And Alex phrased it as, it's a pleasure to introduce my

00:20:58.360 father to the prime minister, meaning it was someone that he knew and he was just introducing his father

00:21:04.500 to him. And, you know, the phrasing gave it away that, well, Alex was the one actually, um, behind that.

00:21:10.500 And his father was, uh, kind of just being, getting chill in the aftermath. So, um, after he took over

00:21:16.340 the Open Society Foundation, he solid, he actually laid off about 30% of the staff, which, um, it is

00:21:23.840 amazing how in any NGO, there is like a double digit percentage of people doing nothing. So I guess

00:21:29.400 credit to him for doing that, but he's, he's doubled down efforts in Ukraine, Albania, um, and Eastern

00:21:36.280 Europe as a whole, which I noticed, I'm like, well, that's the most corrupt part of Europe. So that's

00:21:41.060 a convenient, uh, place to consolidate. But Albania is the country he's visited the most. Um, he's, he's

00:21:48.260 been pictured with their prime minister, uh, the socialist prime minister, about 30 times on social

00:21:53.260 media. Um, their former prime minister showed me what he said were flight logs showing that Alex was

00:21:59.860 there over a hundred times, um, in recent years. So if that, if those are legitimate and I don't know

00:22:06.480 how I would possibly know how to check if they are, but if they are, it shows that he is hiding a lot of

00:22:12.280 his meetings. And I only point that out because he's much more of an open book than his father.

00:22:17.260 And that you can go to his Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, et cetera. And every single day, it's

00:22:22.120 like a who's who of the world's most powerful people. And he's practically bragging about knowing

00:22:27.340 them. Um, but, um, I'm trying to think what else? Oh yeah. So, and then like in Poland, for instance,

00:22:35.180 he was purchasing, um, leading media companies and tabloids of the last election, but fortunately

00:22:41.140 the, the Trump backed law and justice candidate won. So he didn't have a win there. Um, and then I also

00:22:46.500 talk about too, like his influence in Ukraine and it's a lot of the European research was tough

00:22:52.880 because the only reporting on it was in those languages. So I had to like figure out which

00:22:58.840 key terms to search in a different language, like, all right, what Ukraine words am I going to search

00:23:03.160 to try to find stuff about Alex. But, um, he did give, uh, Zelensky's wife's, uh, charity, a $1 million

00:23:11.380 donation. Um, and then it was subsequently pictured with Zelensky a few times. He's met a lot of top

00:23:18.260 members of their, their, you know, their equivalent on their parliament or their parliament, I should

00:23:22.320 say. Um, he made, he's a picture with Zelensky's right-hand man on a number of occasions and they've

00:23:27.680 wished each other happy birthday on, on X and Facebook. So he is ingrained with a lot of these

00:23:32.880 people. And, you know, it's early enough on in his reign, I guess, where not for, not for every

00:23:40.440 possible link. I can prove there's something shady going on, but it's more of a preview of

00:23:45.060 here's everyone he knows. Here's kind of where to keep your eye on.

00:23:50.120 So a lot of people have looked at the violence that's occurring in the United States right now,

00:23:56.500 Antifa, uh, many other groups that seem to coordinate together on a regular basis, but technically

00:24:02.420 we're told they don't exist. Uh, yeah. And if they do exist, they certainly aren't working together.

00:24:07.640 Um, they certainly just have all of their information and funding and things coming

00:24:12.420 simultaneously. A lot of people have pointed to the fact that a number of these NGOs are receiving

00:24:17.640 Soros money, uh, and that they might be key to fomenting the violence in the United States. 0.97

00:24:23.140 Now you've already pointed out that Soros backed NGOs are working on getting people into the country

00:24:27.780 illegally and everything else. So I don't think it's a wild stretch to imagine they'd also be

00:24:32.140 coordinating in order to do violence against ice to keep these people inside the United States. 0.86

00:24:37.140 How much credibility is there to the idea that the Soros network is funding this? And if so,

00:24:42.660 are they just an ancillary funder to this or are they core to pushing this agenda?

00:24:47.680 Yeah. I mean, it's always a sum of parts kind of thing like that 1 billion, you know,

00:24:51.120 the malice who funds the party for socialism and liberation is a kind of a similar funder,

00:24:56.700 but yeah, there was Soros money in the LA riots against ice recently. A lot of the no Kings 0.92

00:25:01.300 protests. So though to be fair, that was like a million different groups that, that assembled.

00:25:05.780 Um, and so, and then, you know, you go back to the 2014 Michael Brown riots, a lot of the groups,

00:25:10.760 they were funded by him and the George Floyd riots, a lot of what they would do then is they

00:25:15.900 would fund these like black lives matter adjacent groups. So it would be called, you know, 0.82

00:25:20.040 the movement for black lives. And then when Candace Owens said, you know, he's funded black lives matter,

00:25:24.720 15 million political back goes, no, no, they didn't. It was, uh, this other group. That's a

00:25:29.660 car, a complete clone of it, but it's a different name. So it's not true. Um, so, uh, he does that.

00:25:35.800 And then, and this is where it gets harder to prove, but the sort of funds of funds category where

00:25:41.840 he's layering the money through groups, like going to the tides foundation, which it then gives the

00:25:46.180 other groups. Um, when I was reviewing the most recent year, um, of grants from the OSF that were

00:25:52.120 half a million dollars or more, all the ones that were like 10 plus million to a group that you go

00:25:58.020 to their website and it would present itself as like a normal activist group, but there would never

00:26:03.000 be any news articles about them. Their social media would be dead and active, no followers.

00:26:08.260 Their address is like either a PO box or an office space in like some uninhabitable shithole where a

00:26:17.340 six story home is five bucks, you know, like, you know, a place where no one would actually

00:26:21.860 have an office if they're making 10 million bucks in grants. So then I would go through their

00:26:26.200 financials and they were just passed through entities disguised as activist groups where

00:26:31.060 that money would then go to a different group that would go to a different group.

00:26:35.300 And it makes it impossible to prove where any one specific dollar ends up. Like if I give a million

00:26:42.120 bucks to someone who was a billion dollars and they spend a million on, I don't know, weapons,

00:26:46.700 I could technically be like, well, mine was part of the 999 million that wasn't spent on it. And that

00:26:52.260 is what the OSF does when they try to deny things. Or my favorite line is we didn't knowingly give a

00:26:58.620 grant to a group that was going to do violence. And I'm like, they have a whole history of doing

00:27:04.480 violence. You're hoping your dollars are the ones that coincidentally do what exactly? Um, so that's how

00:27:10.920 they hide behind those allegations, but he's behind that. And then also, and one of the chapters about

00:27:17.160 Alex fighting the Trump, the Trump agenda, a lot of the immigration related lawsuits, and most of

00:27:22.700 which have failed, fortunately, but, uh, are from Soros funded legal groups. Um, and this includes

00:27:29.080 groups like the ACLU, which Soros has given over 50 million to, although obviously they have so many

00:27:35.500 other funders, I don't actually weigh them at that high, highly, but a lot of other smaller groups

00:27:40.620 where Soros is a very large percentage of their funding. And, um, you know, the, the trying to

00:27:46.000 block birthright citizenship, illegals in the census, things like that, Soros groups have been,

00:27:51.460 have been behind in the courts. So obviously, as you say, very complicated network of money laundering,

00:27:58.660 you're giving large foundations money, they're giving you money. All those are going to different

00:28:03.160 organizations, many of which with the exact same, uh, mission, but with 15 different names. So you

00:28:08.580 can never nail down one as the major actor. None of this of course is a mistake. Obviously we know

00:28:14.920 that there, there's a reason that they structure their organizations like this. And unfortunately

00:28:18.580 it's been very successful and that begs the question, right? Like when we look at these smaller

00:28:23.600 countries, I can understand ultimately how George Soros buys Lithuania, right? Like I w I would hope

00:28:30.020 that they would, the leaders would ultimately be more, uh, loyal to their own nation than they would

00:28:35.040 be to this outside funding, but you get it. It's a poor country. They need the industry. You know,

00:28:40.140 who's going to turn down all of this ultimately. However, he doesn't just have that influence in the

00:28:46.140 small, easily buyable kind of third world ish nations. He has that level of influence in top tier

00:28:53.020 first world nations as well. And that really makes us wonder why is a guy who for all we can tell just

00:29:01.740 has like money just has a fortune. Why is he allowed to go in and buy large chunks of sovereign nations

00:29:08.720 with like military and intelligence assets? Like at the end of the day, if I'm one of these major

00:29:14.580 countries and a guy like this is coming in to buy up all of my politicians and open my borders and

00:29:19.540 destroy the ability to put criminals in jail, uh, well let's just say, you know, some wet work might

00:29:25.240 get involved, you know, like, like there, there are solutions to this problem that are available to

00:29:28.880 people with, you know, large missiles and strike teams and Navy seals that aren't available to maybe

00:29:34.440 Latvia. Uh, so why are people allowing the manipulation of their sovereign, like, you know,

00:29:42.140 geopolitically dominant, uh, uh, governments by a guy who ultimately shouldn't be able to,

00:29:47.700 you know, wield a single troop? Well, because we've had people in office who've been benefiting

00:29:52.500 from it. I mean, Obama took his money. The George McCain Institute was funded by George Soros,

00:29:58.320 even as they were putting out anti George Soros materials, they were being funded by George Soros

00:30:03.580 and Cindy, Cindy McCain and Alex are good friends. They work together, they're photographed together

00:30:09.300 every year and speak highly of each other. So even like the, the old guard conservative, right?

00:30:14.300 would, you know, you rally against George Soros, but it was one of those things that was performative.

00:30:20.400 Like we, we learned for instance, it's just like where we get compact magazine, which is

00:30:24.320 the anti-globalist, but it's funded directly by the biggest globalists in the world.

00:30:29.360 We, there, there was a, there was a whole conservative class who just wanted to endlessly

00:30:34.140 critique the left. And we learned too, after Roe v. Wade was struck down that like half of the

00:30:41.300 conservative national review types were all pro-choice, but just thought Roe v. Wade would

00:30:46.060 never get struck down. So they'd never have to actually like, right, right. For a legitimate

00:30:50.440 pro-life position. But yeah, a lot of stuff like that. And with, I always wonder like, what would

00:30:58.800 the angle be to go after him? Because when it comes to funding politicians, you know, it's, it's

00:31:03.560 presumably going to get upheld as a free speech thing. Obviously there's a lot of people giving

00:31:09.440 money in politics, although Souris is the most destructive, but hey, isn't it, I'd expose

00:31:14.680 a lawyer and have to argue, well, who gets to define subjective, you know, destructive,

00:31:19.080 I'd be sounding like a libertarian. But the, I think the Rico case from Trump is the strongest

00:31:25.220 in that he is knowingly funding groups that are doing harm. And that's why I've noticed

00:31:30.320 in their press releases, they say they don't knowingly fund them. That's their defense and

00:31:35.760 response to the new attention. And the word knowing is doing a lot of very, very, very

00:31:40.800 heavy lifting. So listen, the ultimate test would be if they keep funding them after saying

00:31:46.100 we're not knowingly doing this, then it's a hundred percent, although they of course know.

00:31:50.380 And then I think a tax audit is in order in that I went through a lot of groups where the

00:31:56.760 financials just do not make any sense to me. Like there'll be one where like, they'll be

00:32:04.440 in an office and the office expense is like a hundred dollars a year and there's no computer

00:32:08.340 or internet expense. So I'm like, what, what exactly is going on here? Like, even if you're

00:32:13.660 a front group, you expect that to be a couple of grand. Am I wrong? So just weird stuff like

00:32:18.840 that. And even so the process kind of is the punishment. We learned from all the people

00:32:25.040 going after Trump. And I think that's sort of overdue and they'll probably find a lot

00:32:29.360 of things we never even thought we would have found. Well, the discovery would reveal a lot

00:32:34.420 and there's just no reason not to, if we can.

00:32:37.580 Do you have any inside information on that Rico case? Cause I'll be honest. I want it to

00:32:43.860 be true, man. Like I want to believe, you know, I really do. I want to trust the plan here,

00:32:48.040 but I'm going to be honest. Pam Bondi doesn't fill me with a lot of, you know, competence just 0.74

00:32:55.840 doesn't feel like the, you know, the, the, the number one selection criteria there. And so I just

00:33:00.760 worry that ultimately we're going to hear about, well, we're going to put this together and it's

00:33:06.240 going to take some time. And then like in a year, maybe if we're lucky, we might get like a one

00:33:11.880 prosecution. Like, do you really feel like they have what it takes to pull this Rico prosecution

00:33:16.900 together? Well, she hasn't said she has the Rico docs in her desk. So that's, uh,

00:33:22.120 it might not disappear. I mean, we've got some prosecutions after Trump, uh, remember when he

00:33:29.540 tweeted, he wrote on true social to her and then said it was supposed to be a direct message.

00:33:34.060 I think it, I think it was supposed to be public to show to all of us, listen, I'm trying guys,

00:33:40.580 and then clean it off as that. So we would delete it. But he does seem to be putting pressure on her.

00:33:45.700 I mean, the Epstein stuff really disappointed a lot of people and I think they want to avoid

00:33:50.420 another thing like that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what about, you know, we, we know he's successful

00:33:56.100 in pushing his agenda in the West, right? We know that, that first George and now Alex Soros have been

00:34:01.960 very successful in opening up Western countries. Are they trying to do the same thing elsewhere? Are

00:34:08.320 they getting into places like China? And if so, is the government of China as flexible about this

00:34:14.040 with the United States? Cause again, the United States might get stuck somewhere in procedure,

00:34:17.880 but I feel like the other CCP in China, they just disappear. Yeah. Right. Like, so I don't,

00:34:22.760 I don't know that they'd, they'd be as careful about the implementation of hard power to stop this.

00:34:29.120 If they ultimately think that Soros is undermining their culture, their way of life, opening up their

00:34:33.240 borders. So in China specifically, George has actually been very critical of the CCP.

00:34:38.220 But if you look at the timing of it, it's because they had cracked down on a number of Chinese

00:34:45.280 companies that he's invested in. Um, not because they were targeting him just in general, but it

00:34:50.700 also then impacted him. Um, like I think one of them, it was like a Chinese version of Uber. They

00:34:56.200 went after in the stock loss, like 90% of its value in a week. And obviously that cost George a lot of

00:35:01.380 money. So his criticisms were truly motivated by him losing money because of them. But, um,

00:35:07.080 I don't think he's going to have any influence there specifically. And, you know, he's been

00:35:10.780 kicked out of countries like India and Russia. Um, so, so none there, um, Albania, the one where

00:35:17.040 Alex has the most, they are trying to push this sort of third gender thing. Um, although the public 0.99

00:35:23.260 there, it's this weird politics where the socialist party has, I think 70% of the seats, but with 55% of

00:35:31.600 the vote, just do their, however the represent their proportional system works. Um, I guess

00:35:37.360 it was a bit disproportionate, but the opposition to that stuff is like 60 plus percent. So the

00:35:42.460 public, fortunately in a lot of the decent European countries where he's pushing it is

00:35:47.280 very much against it. Um, which is good. I just, it can be forced on a population through

00:35:53.260 media, like even something like, um, you know, support for gay marriage, whether you're a favorite

00:35:59.300 or not, that was an entirely manufactured, um, campaign where the entirety of the media

00:36:04.760 presented an idea and we were kind of told all they want is marriage. And then once it

00:36:09.780 happened, we thought like, Oh, all right, well, we don't have to hear about this anymore. Thank

00:36:12.860 God. We know how that goes. Um, but no, that they left really never gives up and whether or

00:36:18.140 not it's Soros or somewhere else, it is, um, also going to require a lot of, uh, I don't

00:36:23.800 want people in the media to resist it too, but that's ultimately where it's going to

00:36:27.060 get, um, pushed. Although I do think culture is downstream from government as well.

00:36:32.440 I agree. And I think this is an interesting problem because obviously, uh, one of the

00:36:39.180 issues in the new world, as you point out, I mean, it's already an issue previously, but

00:36:43.600 media has come to dominate everything. If people don't live real lives, it's all mediated

00:36:48.200 in, in the very real sense of none of no people don't go out and experience community. They

00:36:53.560 it's all through their social media. It's all through the news they get in television,

00:36:56.360 these kinds of things. And so there's very little direct experience. And when you're living

00:37:00.680 lives like that, you're particularly vulnerable to media manipulation because you just have

00:37:06.300 no contact with the reality. Everything is, is disembodied and your hyperreality can be

00:37:11.180 tuned by people who are very good at it. And the countries that it sounds like most of the

00:37:16.920 countries that have successfully resisted him are ones that a lot of people would call

00:37:21.000 authoritarian, right? Like they're, you know, Russia, China, or, you know, countries like

00:37:25.580 India that have a significant barrier culturally that are a lot harder, uh, to manipulate in

00:37:30.420 those ways. So some of it might just be that Western nations are culturally more influenced

00:37:35.400 by the Anglosphere media. And therefore that kind of flows through them. But also it feels

00:37:40.360 like there's something about the liberal democracy, something about, uh, you know, this mass

00:37:45.940 democratic, uh, apparatus that's easily manipulated ultimately by media that's particularly, uh,

00:37:53.120 vulnerable to Soros's game plan. Is there anything to that? And, and, and what, what about a country

00:37:59.000 like Hungary with Victor Orban? Obviously he was born Hungarian. You have a Hungarian government

00:38:04.180 that now is a little more, uh, there, you know, they're, they're, they call themselves an illiberal

00:38:08.520 democracy. Uh, you know, is there, is there some kind of barrier there that's working in a way

00:38:14.300 that maybe it isn't working in other European nations? Well, I've noticed, I mean, I think

00:38:18.420 there, this media has created definitely something of a gender divide and that men are now getting

00:38:24.180 pushed very far to the right because of it. And women are more to the left as ever. And 1.00

00:38:28.460 I don't know, like we, we have sort of had this general principle of don't be a jerk, which 0.98

00:38:35.860 is a great principle, but there are times you kind of have to be one. And you see this in 0.97

00:38:41.200 things like the trans issue where, um, you know, Tommy Lahren I saw once was tweeting about the

00:38:47.140 pronoun issue and she's had me on her show. So therefore is a very good person, but she said

00:38:51.800 something I disagreed with, which was, well, you know, it made the point, like, it's not that big

00:38:56.240 a deal. It's just calling someone a different name. And well, yes, it seems small, but doing that

00:39:02.860 is a domino and you push one domino and it's going to, by the, by the time the last one falls,

00:39:10.600 it's going to be a, uh, something that you cannot even conceptualize when you're pushing the first

00:39:16.440 one. Um, we see this with immigration where there is no doubt that if you could teleport every

00:39:23.500 immigrant back to their home country, where they are, their people are, they're the most like, 0.75

00:39:28.460 it would be better off for us. And in the long run, probably maybe even for them, they'd be happy.

00:39:33.420 I don't know. It'd be better for us. But if you are watching someone physically, I don't know,

00:39:39.260 get thrown into a van and they're crying and their children are screaming, you and I realize that is

00:39:44.980 just the necessary cost. And it's a very short-term cost. And the gain we get from that is, is a million

00:39:52.260 times bigger, but there's a very large percent of the population that, that cannot tolerate even that,

00:39:58.420 even that, um, anything to, you know, I don't even know what to make it the analogy, but that

00:40:05.620 ripping off the band-aid to get you to somewhere way better. Uh, I just can't tolerate that. And

00:40:10.500 I don't know, I think media, it does seem to be having more of an impact on women than men. Um,

00:40:16.460 and actually really in every country. Um, but it's, that seems to be the most effective. It's just the

00:40:21.980 emotional thing. And then plus the false equivalences, because we, we have a historical

00:40:27.300 narrative in our country that, um, you know, we started violent, horrible slavery, um, for some 0.97

00:40:35.940 reason, then we're bad-ass warriors, but then we are oppressing our wives and our gay kids. But then, 0.95

00:40:41.940 you know, we have the women's movement, the gay movement, the trans movement, the black lives matter,

00:40:46.860 our civil rights, and we're here. And it's, you know, this fiction, it's didn't really happen like

00:40:52.780 that, but we, and most of our minds from school have that narrative in our head. And it makes the

00:40:57.900 media, it makes it very easy to push this idea that whatever the, you know, current thing is,

00:41:04.460 well, in this historic narrative, that's just the latest thing at the end. And, and, and progress is

00:41:09.980 perfectly linear, according to them. So, well, if you're against trans, well, you're right here. 0.54

00:41:14.860 So someone looking back at you, you're going to look like someone who wanted to own black people. 0.86

00:41:19.740 And like, that's how they talk about these issues. And of course, as I just said, the narrative,

00:41:23.980 the structure makes no sense because white men in the fifties are, are simultaneously racist, 1.00

00:41:30.300 but also like kicking Nazi ass five years prior. So nothing really makes any sense, but that is how 0.99

00:41:36.860 they've taught people to think and the media capitalizes on it. And then also they rewrite the

00:41:40.940 past in that, like, it used to be in the nineties. If you were to watch a remake of a movie,

00:41:48.220 it was just a remake of the movie. On Netflix, if they do a remake, they just take a movie from

00:41:55.260 the nineties and make it the demographics of like 2300. And then they, to give people this impression

00:42:01.420 that, well, this is the way things always were. This is the way things they're always going to be.

00:42:06.060 It's just a false sense of reality. I saw like, I'm not kidding. If you looked at a YouTube video

00:42:12.380 of like a baseball game from the fifties, there will be comments like, why are there so many white

00:42:17.020 people? Like people just cannot conceive what the world had even 30 years ago was. And the left wants

00:42:23.740 you to think no one was ever happy. There was even if everything on aggregate is better today,

00:42:29.340 that there was nothing individually better back then. There's something to be learned from the past.

00:42:33.900 And therefore anything they do is revolution. It's, it's just year zero thinking about the new

00:42:38.380 time. I know I should, I'm rambling. It is the true progressive belief right through and through

00:42:44.860 it is Whig history at, at the bottom. So let me ask you this. We've already discussed the Rico case,

00:42:51.020 the possibility of that. Right. But let's say that, you know, Pam Bondi sat you down tomorrow.

00:42:57.820 Donald Trump pulls you in and says, all right, Matt, what are, what are like your top suggestions

00:43:02.540 for battling Soros's influence besides going after the, you know, the, the Rico case with the NGO

00:43:08.860 networks? What other steps could you take to limit or, or eliminate entirely sources influence in the

00:43:15.740 U S? Well, I know this isn't exactly what you asked, but to start with the Rico and IRS,

00:43:21.740 I would just put together a list of what I think the most violent groups are. Um, uh, then within

00:43:28.220 the IRS ones, which the ones whose financials I looked through that I thought kind of generate the

00:43:33.900 most, um, uh, I don't know trouble. Um, it is hard. What would my strategy be? I, I feel like that's

00:43:41.180 actually a possibility. So I should have a, I should have an idea. Um, I mean, I think individually

00:43:48.620 targeting politicians that have the most Soros money and tying them to Soros would be very

00:43:53.180 effective. Um, listen, Victor Orban had a lot of success and he invested a ton of taxpayer money

00:43:59.660 and that we wouldn't even have to use taxpayer money. There's groups, other groups that could

00:44:03.100 do it, but invested taxpayer money at the anti Soros campaigns, anti Soros billboards. Um, Soros

00:44:10.140 reportedly was very upset because they would put anti Soros posters on the bottom of public buses.

00:44:16.460 So you would step on his face when you'd walk on one, maybe not that far, but, but I think an

00:44:22.540 anti Soros campaign plus linking politicians to have been making it toxic to take, uh, his money

00:44:28.300 would, would actually go very far away. Is there a way, I mean, obviously we know he's funded these

00:44:34.220 DAs and all these politicians is the money laundering just too, uh, rampant. Is it just too impossible to

00:44:41.580 track or is there a way we could target his funds? We could shut down those specific donation sources.

00:44:48.220 Well, you would then also have to go over to the groups that he's funding through.

00:44:52.780 And a lot of them too, like I just, a lot of them are shells. So, you know, it's a difference

00:44:59.900 between targeting a shell company and a legitimate business. I think a lot of them are in that category.

00:45:04.540 So I would think they would be easier to go through. Um, one group that does do a very good

00:45:09.980 job of tracing the money is, um, influence watch. Um, and then on Twitter, that account data Republican

00:45:16.300 does a really good job of breaking them out. And it's still, you still can't prove that any individual

00:45:21.340 dollar went to X, Y, or Z cause, but it does break down the networks very well. That too would

00:45:26.700 actually be a very good asset for them as well. Excellent. All right. Well, we're going to move

00:45:31.180 over to the questions of people real quick. We've got a few over there, but before we do, can you

00:45:35.020 remind people where they can pick up their book and when, if they want to learn more about it?

00:45:39.340 Yeah, so it's on Amazon.com or Barnes and Noble. I think it was probably the top two that anyone

00:45:45.660 would ever buy them on. Um, or Barnes and Noble, like the physical store too. Um, when you search for it,

00:45:53.500 search Alex Soros, because I, uh, made a major error and, and didn't realize there's a best-selling

00:46:00.620 series called the air that destroyed my SEO. So Alex Soros Palumbo the air, but it'll be there.

00:46:08.860 Um, it comes out on Tuesday. Um, my understanding is that if you order it now, it'll ship either by

00:46:17.100 Tuesday or you'll get it Tuesday, but you'll get it out at least the day of, so yeah, yeah. Yeah.

00:46:22.460 Something like that. So, uh, obviously, uh, highly recommended by a book of the year.

00:46:26.460 Of course many people are saying, many people are saying, all right, guys, make sure that you're

00:46:31.740 checking out, uh, Matt Palumbo's book and let's head over to the questions of the people real quick.

00:46:37.580 Uh, let's see here. Lowbrow says, uh, Matt is a highly regarded guest. Everyone at the

00:46:42.780 James Bailey read more book club is very proud of him by his books. I'm assuming that's a inside joke.

00:46:48.940 Yeah. He was, we were in a Facebook group together and there was this liberal named James Bailey,

00:46:54.140 who would just like either tell people to read more when he was arguing against them,

00:46:58.540 or he would copy like text from a website. Um, and it would be so long that he'd keep a click,

00:47:05.020 read more to see what he's trying to say. So it became an inside joke that, uh, now, uh,

00:47:11.020 doesn't a couple of hundred people yet.

00:47:14.540 Chan, the man says, would like to see Athenian stranger or BAP on. Well, 0.95

00:47:17.980 I've actually had Athenian stranger on, uh, several times. Uh, I'm pretty sure. Well,

00:47:23.100 no, I've had him on at least twice. Uh, I'm pretty sure, uh, more than happy to have him on again.

00:47:27.740 He's a brilliant guy, but you got to have the right topic. You got to dial him in. It's

00:47:31.180 one of those intellects. You got to kind of corral a little bit, a bit. So always love to have him

00:47:35.900 on when we're discussing a little bit of philosophy as to BAP. I mean, he's more than welcome to come

00:47:40.780 on. Uh, he had some, uh, I think, you think he got a little angry with me when I pointed out that his,

00:47:45.420 you know, anti-Christian stuff was a pretty subversive. Uh, but, uh, you know,

00:47:49.580 he's more than happy to come on. Always enjoyed, uh, his work. Don't always agree,

00:47:53.740 but I've always found it at least hilarious. And that is, uh, more often, uh, the important

00:47:58.140 thing. So, uh, happy to speak with him as well. All right, guys, that looks like everything. So

00:48:02.700 we're going to go ahead and wrap it up here. Once again, thank you, Matt, for coming on. It's been

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - October 22, 2025

Inside the Soros Network ｜ Guest： Matt Palumbo ｜ 10⧸22⧸25

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