The Auron MacIntyre Show - Is Ana Kasparian Red-Pilled？｜ Guest： Gio Pennacchietti ｜ 7⧸10⧸23

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00:00:30.000 Hey, everybody. Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:32.780 I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:37.340 So this is going to be a little bit of a throwback for people who haven't been extremely online for a very long time.

00:00:43.900 Who aren't familiar with the right-wing discourse and Gamergate and the battle against the social justice warriors and all of that deep lore.

00:00:52.940 You might not be familiar with the Young Turks.

00:00:56.060 It's an online...

00:00:58.060 They're just online, right, Gio?

00:00:59.920 They don't have a...

00:01:00.660 They had a brief...

00:01:02.440 I think they had a brief stint with MSNBC or they were lobbying to get on and they managed to get on.

00:01:07.640 This was like...

00:01:08.300 See, I know the deep lore, okay?

00:01:09.420 I've been on YouTube long enough as a lurker to know.

00:01:12.340 So, yeah.

00:01:12.980 Yeah, they're this online super progressive outlet and they've always kind of had this really cartoonish dynamic between kind of the two main hosts, Cenk Uygur and Anna Kasparian.

00:01:27.540 Lots of good lolcow moments, many, many great reaction videos in kind of the skeptic sphere and others.

00:01:36.720 There's like a rite of passage.

00:01:38.500 You weren't really on right-wing YouTube until you had made fun of the Young Turks at some point, right?

00:01:44.820 You had done that video.

00:01:45.760 But, and I haven't watched them for years.

00:01:49.080 You know, I'm not really familiar with the goings-ons.

00:01:52.080 But I had noticed on Twitter that there was some anger.

00:01:56.340 You know, it seemed that Anna Kasparian had run afoul of the left on a couple different occasions.

00:02:03.960 And there was a notable pattern that was arriving.

00:02:07.420 And lo and behold, this week we're starting to get a lot of, oh man, Anna Kasparian leaving the left.

00:02:14.200 Red-pilled.

00:02:15.220 You know, we finally won it over.

00:02:16.940 The big conversion is happening.

00:02:18.440 I believe New York Post had an article titled, The Awakening of Anna Kasparian.

00:02:24.940 Exactly, yeah.

00:02:26.500 And so many of you have already know that.

00:02:29.160 I can already see in the chat, you know, the question of the stream is, is Anna Kasparian red-pilled?

00:02:34.060 And yeah, spoiler at the beginning, the answer is no.

00:02:37.320 So everybody, we can just, yeah, the stream's over.

00:02:39.440 Have a great day.

00:02:40.220 Thanks for swinging by.

00:02:42.040 But no, I wanted to have Gio on.

00:02:43.480 And I'm sorry, I haven't even introduced Gio.

00:02:45.040 We just jumped right into the discussion.

00:02:46.780 But Gio, excellent co-host of the Gulag Archipelago. 0.57

00:02:50.940 I so often have your cohort on.

00:02:56.740 Cohort and co-host and co-partner in crime.

00:02:59.980 Everybody's favorite frog, the Prudentialist.

00:03:01.940 But today Gio is with us.

00:03:04.060 And so Gio is going to help me break this down.

00:03:06.340 Because we want to kind of go over the events that led to this.

00:03:09.660 Why this seems to be a cycle that recurs over and over again.

00:03:13.660 Why the right doesn't seem to ever learn any lessons from this cycle.

00:03:17.160 Kind of what we can do from here.

00:03:19.780 So the first thing I want to do is just jump over to a little bit of predictions.

00:03:25.720 I'm just going to brag ever so slightly here on stream here.

00:03:31.480 Just one moment.

00:03:33.520 So on Twitter, I predicted the course that this would take.

00:03:38.720 Oh, here we go.

00:03:39.420 The trajectory of the Young Turks.

00:03:42.060 You're pretty good at this.

00:03:43.040 This is what I originally saw.

00:03:45.040 I posted on Telegram a rant about telegram.com.

00:03:47.960 We'll get to your rant because it's important here.

00:03:53.360 But yeah.

00:03:53.960 So this was kind of the development I saw.

00:03:57.400 So first, back in March, we saw Anna Kasparian talking about not wanting to be referred to as a birthing person.

00:04:08.200 Or like a bonus hole or, you know, whatever the new anti-woman trans ideology language is. 1.00

00:04:16.520 I have a hot take on that.

00:04:17.600 But let's get through this first about that first tweet.

00:04:19.880 But let's, yeah, let's go through it.

00:04:21.220 Yeah, no, we'll get it all.

00:04:22.420 We will collect all the hot takes.

00:04:24.000 That's why we're here.

00:04:25.080 Sometimes the stream is about deep theory.

00:04:27.180 But today the stream is about hot cakes.

00:04:30.020 So, you know, she starts off the same place a lot of people have.

00:04:33.780 A lot of women, a lot of feminists have kind of run afoul of the left here. 1.00

00:04:39.360 They thought they were actually on board.

00:04:41.220 They thought feminism meant fighting for, like, women's rights and stuff. 1.00

00:04:44.220 And, oh, you sweet summer child.

00:04:46.980 No, feminism is about the destruction of Western civilization. 1.00

00:04:50.420 That's actually what it is about.

00:04:51.800 It's the destruction of the family.

00:04:53.220 It's the destruction of society.

00:04:55.640 And you just bought into the propaganda.

00:04:58.060 And so she's over here saying, oh, you know, I'm going to be on their side.

00:05:02.880 I, you know, I'm not leaving the left, but I just can't do this.

00:05:05.900 And I was like, oh, no, you will become a neoconservative.

00:05:09.700 Like, that will happen.

00:05:11.040 Like, I can already see what's going to happen next.

00:05:14.380 And, by the way, I should probably go ahead and clarify.

00:05:18.340 A lot of people have taken neoconservatism to just mean pro-war.

00:05:23.220 A lot of people just throw it.

00:05:24.380 Anyone who's a neocon is pro-war, right?

00:05:27.300 But originally the neoconservative movement,

00:05:29.200 while it was a big part of, you know, the Cold Warriors

00:05:33.220 and fighting the Soviet Union, that was a big part of it

00:05:35.240 and expansionism that way.

00:05:37.060 It was also about a bunch of liberals

00:05:39.960 who didn't like the social degradation that was happening, right?

00:05:42.900 A bunch of people who had been leftists.

00:05:44.880 But, you know, the old joke is a neoconservative

00:05:47.280 is a leftist that got mugged, right?

00:05:50.080 They realized that there were consequences

00:05:52.700 to the ideology that they had embraced

00:05:57.660 and they start becoming conservative,

00:05:59.960 but they still bring along kind of all of those values

00:06:03.160 they had as leftists.

00:06:04.200 They kind of just superficially change a few of their policies.

00:06:08.100 And so when I'm saying neoconservative,

00:06:09.540 I don't mean Anna Kasparian's going to be declaring war

00:06:12.040 on, who knows, though, Turkey.

00:06:13.400 And it might happen.

00:06:14.900 Well, maybe.

00:06:15.360 I mean, Turkey's not going along with the consensus of the EU.

00:06:18.020 Exactly.

00:06:18.320 So, yeah, you never know, eh?

00:06:19.960 She might be on board with it.

00:06:21.940 But, yeah, no, my point is not that

00:06:24.860 she's going to become some war hawk. 1.00

00:06:26.440 My point is she's going on that neoconservative journey. 0.87

00:06:29.440 She's going on that cycle, that neocon cycle.

00:06:32.320 So this was step one here.

00:06:35.080 Step two, we had her complaining about her condo board 1.00

00:06:41.240 and how the Green New Deal was basically making it impossible

00:06:44.400 for her to live in her area anymore,

00:06:48.880 which, again, you know, the financial policies.

00:06:52.220 Now I've ascended to, you know, to like an upper middle class status.

00:06:56.520 I'm part of the laptop class.

00:06:58.240 I'm part of the bourgeoisie.

00:07:00.180 And so, actually, it turns out it's not that bad

00:07:02.940 and I don't want people to mess with it anymore.

00:07:04.520 So my radical left is speed running 1980s Reaganism right now.

00:07:08.700 Oh, yeah.

00:07:10.060 Oh, boy.

00:07:11.160 Yeah.

00:07:11.360 And so then the next one.

00:07:12.600 Now, this one is Chank, to be fair, 1.00

00:07:14.200 though we will later talk about how actually this really happened to Anna.

00:07:17.800 And I did not know about this, but we'll get into this.

00:07:21.160 You know, Chank saying the right is more tolerant than the left.

00:07:27.040 You know, so much for the for the tolerant left.

00:07:30.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:07:31.380 So the tolerance of the left has gone.

00:07:32.900 And it turns out that that actually the right is the more tolerant party.

00:07:37.860 And then finally, boom, you know, we're here.

00:07:41.400 Here we are.

00:07:42.100 Exactly.

00:07:42.660 Oh, counterpoints.

00:07:43.620 I have nothing against counterpoints.

00:07:44.980 I remember streaming with him back on the follow the rules days.

00:07:47.700 But yeah, that's.

00:07:48.480 Oh, no, this I don't.

00:07:49.720 I just pulled this because he had posted the big thumbnail,

00:07:52.760 I think, which is actually from.

00:07:53.960 It's a pretty good clickbait.

00:07:55.240 I mean, even the even this stream, like the red, the red pills around Anna Kaspare.

00:07:59.440 That's pretty.

00:08:01.360 Thanks.

00:08:01.820 Yeah, I know.

00:08:02.300 Like I said, everyone knew where the stream was going immediately.

00:08:05.460 But, you know, we got to bring we got to bring that that Steve Turley style clickbait,

00:08:10.840 you know, like, you know, learn from the professionals here.

00:08:13.660 He knows how to drive that traffic.

00:08:15.160 All right.

00:08:15.720 So the point is, Gio, this is an entirely predictable thing.

00:08:20.900 But why?

00:08:22.260 Like, why?

00:08:23.180 Why does this happen over and over again?

00:08:26.040 Why do we see this cycle occur?

00:08:28.880 Well, I was thinking about what to say on stream.

00:08:31.100 And I think, like you said, this is going to be a hot take stream.

00:08:33.200 But I think that we could fit some grand political strategy theory into this.

00:08:39.120 Now, let me take you back now.

00:08:40.620 Orin, you are older than me.

00:08:42.120 OK, I just turned 30.

00:08:44.280 So you're an old head as I am an old head.

00:08:47.340 But let's take you back to the halcyon days of YouTube.

00:08:50.060 Back when, I'll tell you what a tell is.

00:08:52.320 This is how old I am.

00:08:53.680 When the trending bar had categories that actually mattered.

00:08:58.420 Yes.

00:08:59.180 The political ones had two or three major people.

00:09:04.080 TYT, next to Stefan Molyneux when he was known as StephBot.

00:09:07.880 Yeah.

00:09:08.480 StephBot.

00:09:09.300 And Alex Jones.

00:09:10.100 OK, now all three determined the course of political discourse on YouTube for a very long time before Gamergate.

00:09:19.660 Then, you know, Gamergate came about.

00:09:22.240 The original all right.

00:09:23.600 They got bodied.

00:09:24.540 They were cleared away by YouTube.

00:09:25.980 And then, of course, the bread tubers came up.

00:09:27.460 But now you have obnoxious grifter bread tubers that have read, like, maybe a few pamphlets here and there.

00:09:35.320 And somehow they all have 100,000 to 300,000 subscribers.

00:09:38.420 I don't know how.

00:09:39.640 So, TYT was integral to this political thing.

00:09:43.400 But I think, see, me and Prudentialist talk about this a lot.

00:09:47.200 You know, when I'm not doing content mind of my own show and Prudentialist isn't doing through observations, you know, we come together once a week.

00:09:53.080 We talk about the often forgotten intraperiod between the Bush administration and Obama.

00:10:02.440 This is where political discourse really gets cemented when it comes to the Internet age.

00:10:07.100 And people don't forget about this.

00:10:09.160 And TYT was integral to this.

00:10:11.340 Now, there was like, OK, so this debate around the trans thing, right?

00:10:16.580 OK, my theory going into this when you propose the stream is that they're selectively pulling back before they could fully normalize the true social policy.

00:10:27.820 Now, there are a number of conservatives, more paleocons, and some who weren't paleocons back in the Bush years, going into Obama years, that saw the same thing with certain moderate voices on the left.

00:10:38.640 I believe Joe Scarborough was one.

00:10:40.220 There was a few others.

00:10:41.080 And I don't know, maybe it's imprudent to bring up your boss, but to give him credit, Glenn Beck actually did predict this back in the day, by recall, that when it came to the debate around gay marriage, there were leftists, like not leftists, but there were like left liberals that were selectively pulling back when it came to legislation that said, maybe we're going too far.

00:11:01.540 And of course, there were chastised in radical circles because, as you know, the radical nature of certain, you know, cauldrons or let's call them secular madrasas of political thought on the left, they then become normalized after time.

00:11:16.440 But the way you do this is by pulling back very briefly so conservatives can like lower their guard and then you start to normalize it through the culture and then you bring in legislation.

00:11:28.480 So this happened during the Bush years with gay marriage, what happened under Obama, by the stroke of the pen, gay marriage was legalized.

00:11:35.720 Now conservatives like at the National Review come in and say the debate is over.

00:11:40.060 It's done.

00:11:41.200 The conservative case for gay marriage, because don't you know, they want to be as unhappy as everyone else who's married, blah, blah, blah. 0.92

00:11:46.700 We all know this.

00:11:47.980 So I think people don't realize that this debate sort of in a different way, but in a similar way happened already.

00:11:54.720 And TYT was on their ascendancy at this time.

00:11:57.260 So there were conservatives, I believe in Pat Buchanan that predicted this, like don't trust these people on the political left that say that, well, I'm a moderate.

00:12:04.720 We shouldn't push this on people who are Christians that don't blah, blah, blah.

00:12:07.840 That's that's just smoking mirrors.

00:12:09.600 But of course, normie conservatives go along with it.

00:12:12.620 Now, to address this point about Anna Kasparian is that, OK, here's another controversial political take. 0.87

00:12:18.340 And I know this is like somewhat vulgar Freudianism.

00:12:22.200 And as a Jungian, I have to denounce, right.

00:12:24.880 But when it comes to the libidinal exchange of politics, there is a libidinal exchange there.

00:12:30.920 What do I mean by this?

00:12:32.100 There is an inherent eroticism to all politics.

00:12:35.720 OK, there is a sort of a libidinal nature to them.

00:12:40.180 So people enact out their libidos through the political.

00:12:46.640 So, for example, this happens again and again in the political right.

00:12:50.480 When you have an ex, quote unquote, ex leftist who is like, you know, somewhat attractive, there tends to be this thing of like, well, she's my base mommy.

00:13:00.300 That's like, you know, she sees through the contradictions of the left and the cycle repeats.

00:13:06.720 And of course, they really don't because the slightest pushback from the right, as you know, leads to disastrous results.

00:13:14.200 This happened with the rad fems with a select few ones who are cool, like, you know, Mary Harrington and so forth. 0.88

00:13:20.100 Some of my friends.

00:13:20.900 But there is a moment in the 2010s when it came to, like, the red brown alliance and people were talking about this and there's this big tent.

00:13:29.440 But really, like, that all dissipated because these people, like, you have to realize that the real hot take here is that the right wing or even just conservatives in general, especially in North America, suffer this crisis of the optics of legitimacy.

00:13:46.520 That's what drives all of this.

00:13:48.100 So when an ex leftist, especially a mildly attractive ex leftist, you know, not really ex left, like, you know, listen, all left, no ex, right?

00:13:58.360 You know, you know, all rad fem, never mind, never mind. 0.99

00:14:03.200 So the point being is that there is a crisis of the perception of legitimacy when it comes to various right wing and conservative ideas.

00:14:13.180 So when it comes out of the mouth of babes of a quote unquote ex leftist, then it carries with it the weight of legitimacy more.

00:14:24.580 Some for some crazy reason by the by, you know, people that are in the know, quote unquote, like Annika Sperry.

00:14:32.880 So I think it comes down to the fact that the right acknowledges that in terms of like institutional power or the perception of legitimacy of various thinkers on the right.

00:14:43.260 Um, we're like, well, we're not, we're, we're an outlaw mud show to use a wrestling term. 0.53

00:14:48.280 We're not the real big leagues.

00:14:50.160 We're like an indie, you know, we have, we were wrestling the bear.

00:14:54.240 We have the barbed wire match, you know, it's like, uh, anything to draw the crowd, right?

00:14:59.600 We're not the real, we're not like Vince McMahon.

00:15:01.720 We're not the WWE.

00:15:02.660 We're not the legitimate, you know, real, uh, sports entertainment.

00:15:06.240 So when it comes down to it, I think the reason that a lot of people that find not even like a huge, but like a momentary disenfranchisement with political left is the reason they're received.

00:15:19.420 So, you know, so with arms wide open, so graciously by the political right, I wouldn't say all the political right.

00:15:27.240 I would say mostly the punditry class is because there is this perception that, well, if we can get them on their side or our, sorry, on our side, and we really don't have any legitimate thinkers of our own, we really don't have any legitimate institutions of our own.

00:15:43.540 Therefore, it sounds better.

00:15:45.600 But I would, not to say that this is planned though.

00:15:48.280 Of course, I'm not saying this is a conspiracy, but I wouldn't put it past this being a way to strategically ratchet down.

00:15:57.240 The excesses of social policy, especially in North America, especially around things like trans stuff when it comes to children, that there's a selective ratcheting down temporarily until it can then be normalized because this happened with gay marriage. 0.66

00:16:15.660 And there are people like Pat Buchanan, um, that called it out perfectly, that don't trust these moderate people that go on meet the depress.

00:16:22.860 That's, that's a Michael Savage term, meet the depress.

00:16:25.660 And, you know, say that, well, actually, I, I personally believe in gay marriage.

00:16:30.580 I believe in freedom.

00:16:32.040 But when it comes to legislation that would, you know, it would anger these like so powerful religious right people that is apparently still have power.

00:16:41.440 Um, then it's like, you know, you know what's going to happen.

00:16:45.480 But I, I wouldn't, I would think that there will be certain people in the political left.

00:16:50.640 Now, what I, before I, I'm rambling right now, but the one hot take I would think when you were reading that thread that you put out is that that first tweet, notice the language.

00:17:01.080 Okay.

00:17:01.480 I don't want to be known as a uterus, which is a legitimate criticism. 1.00

00:17:05.900 And, you know, the thing is for all of the flaws of feminism, I think feminism is a very complicated subject. 1.00

00:17:11.940 And of course, or, and you brought me on is the, you know, the, the number one, a woman respecter on the right.

00:17:17.380 So, you know, as, as destructive and as mondacious and as, you know, very harmful, a lot of the excess of feminist ideology is.

00:17:24.700 I think that when you look at this sort of transformation of society and you look at the place of it, it's a very complicated history because in some ways, and this isn't my take, this is my good friend, Nightmare Vision's take that, uh, he said this at Night Owls that, you know, feminism really led the way in terms of social activism before there was the LGBTQ plus I, I, I, you know, in Canada, I have to be aware, cause I'm in Canada.

00:17:46.080 I have to say the full thing now, according to Justin Trudeau.

00:17:49.300 Before or after the land acknowledgement.

00:17:51.220 Yeah.

00:17:51.340 Yeah.

00:17:51.880 I acknowledge that I am on stolen land.

00:17:54.180 I am on Iroquois land right now, you know, but Joe, I don't want any Mounties breaking in and stealing you in the middle of this interview.

00:18:02.520 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:03.560 Yeah.

00:18:03.940 So apparently now with the Bill C, uh, what's 17, what's it called?

00:18:07.940 Yeah.

00:18:08.220 So, um, no, so feminism really in terms of the regime of signs of how you do social political activism, the motifs of it, it was number one for a reason. 0.99

00:18:19.880 Because of course, women, not only are, you know, half the population, but also women were selectively, uh, that like way back, I would say even a hundred years ago in the beginning of the suffrage movement, certain upper class, you know, women had. 0.99

00:18:34.240 And a degree of political agency, at least in terms of influencing social policy and social life.

00:18:40.300 And there's a lot of critique within academia about, um, you know, how like a certain form of like bourgeois white girl feminism. 1.00

00:18:49.220 Like that's evil because it's still constitutes heteronormativity and so forth.

00:18:54.480 And we can go on and on.

00:18:55.540 And I think like the bashing of white women as well as sort of like, you know, it's, I understand in terms, but when you look at voting patterns, of course, in America, this isn't true.

00:19:04.920 I mean, white women who were married voted for Trump overwhelmingly. 0.79

00:19:07.800 So like, I think that the right plays into a lot of that manosphere discourse about bashing white women.

00:19:13.540 That's kind of like, not the point, but that's besides the point.

00:19:17.140 Notice how she used the language of uterus and reproduction. 0.99

00:19:21.220 Now, Anna Kasparian is like an old school rad fan, at least in part, you know?

00:19:26.020 So that language around the reproductive system of women to her, that robs her of her agency, because that's really like, it's the typical like trans exclusive radical feminist viewpoint of you're lowering the woman to reproduction,

00:19:41.540 which is just the same as those evil conservative right wing religious reactionaries that want to lower the place of women as basically a baby making factory. 1.00

00:19:51.060 So I think like her being like of an older school of rad femme, she finds that language very alienating because it reminds her of like the sort of, you know, biological function of women, which I mean, you could say in one light is a legitimate critique. 0.70

00:20:05.060 But in another light, it's, it's sort of like, I'm pushing back on the trans stuff, but when it comes to everything else, though, I mean, yes, the right is evil. 1.00

00:20:14.160 You have to remember that, you know, I was going to say, no, I shouldn't say it.

00:20:17.780 A friend of the show, Annika Chine, Annika Sperian, no, no, don't mix the two, don't mix the two.

00:20:22.540 Annika Sperian, on the eve of Trump's election, were you watching, Oren?

00:20:26.500 What did she say the day after?

00:20:28.840 She said, if you, for YouTube purposes, I'm not going to say it, but she said more or less, if you're a Trump voter, that you should sunset yourself, right?

00:20:36.860 So, yeah, we have to remember this.

00:20:38.980 Oh, yeah.

00:20:39.780 But I think like to wrap this all up, Oren, this long rant, there is a libidinal nature to right wing and even left wing politics.

00:20:48.240 The trans stuff is full of, I mean, that's probably YouTube unfriendly to talk about it, but you had this great stream with Prudentialist where you were trying to like dance around it. 1.00

00:20:56.460 It was very funny, but no, I think like when it comes specifically to a lot of the, and I know, listen, I'm not saying all right wingers.

00:21:04.160 There's a lot of right wing people have called this out.

00:21:06.040 I'm saying the punditry class of conservatives that are writing these think pieces about Annika Sperian.

00:21:11.780 There's something of like the sort of like Fox News anchor effect where it's like, I'm attracted to this exotic other because, you know, she's Arminian and she's, you know, a leftist.

00:21:23.480 And it's like, ooh, a leftist woman who's mildly attractive is paying attention to me.

00:21:28.480 It's like this very weird like punditry class obsession they have that comes down to like libidinal politics, in my opinion.

00:21:35.600 And a lot of people in the right wing, the frogs, I know have like said, well, we've seen this before.

00:21:40.860 If you've been around this discourse, you've seen this.

00:21:43.620 And it's like, it's so apparent what they're trying to do, that they're either they're securing another grift or it's like the Tulsi Gabber thing where it's like, you know, I don't like the woke stuff.

00:21:53.940 I'm still on left, but like, or like even, I guess like the equivalent would be RFK Jr.

00:22:00.460 Now I know what's your opinion is, RFK Jr., but it's like, I, I, I have a huge grain of salt when it comes to like libidist leftist politician.

00:22:08.380 That's like, you know, talking about my heck and wholesome working class.

00:22:12.100 I think that there's something there.

00:22:13.720 I think if it's not conscious subversion, because again, I wouldn't put out those conspiracies.

00:22:19.300 There is at least in part a sort of I'm trying to play to a different audience that is disenfranchised because maybe when it comes to the greater view of the empire,

00:22:29.160 like I mentioned in that tweet below your tweet thread, if things are going really bad with certain geopolitical excursions of the empire in Eastern Europe,

00:22:40.000 in particular, if you know the one, I wouldn't put it past a lot of people within the State Department elsewhere to say, well, you know,

00:22:48.380 the Chuds, the Mind Chuds, the right wing Chuds, the Magatards, they're the ones who are like the Katria, you know, warrior caste in America still. 0.90

00:22:57.900 So if they're not going to go along with it, we're pretty much screwed because, I mean, I know that the left has their own choice.

00:23:03.560 Appalachia isn't exactly signing up for the military the way they used to.

00:23:06.740 Oh, 100%, 100%.

00:23:08.360 So I think if they try to consciously not alienate them as hardcore as they did during the Obama years, certainly during the Trump years, there's probably something to it.

00:23:16.840 But anyways, that's a very long rant.

00:23:18.480 I'm sorry, Warren, go ahead, my friend.

00:23:20.400 It's okay.

00:23:20.920 No, I think there's a lot of really good points in there to kind of pull apart.

00:23:24.360 The first thing I would say is I think you're absolutely right about kind of a lock-in phase, right?

00:23:29.300 Both academic agent and I have talked about how many of the biggest gains of the left actually happen while the right is in power, right?

00:23:39.340 Like that's when, like you said, the conservatives let down their guard, a lot of things get normalized, and then when the left comes back into power, basically there's no defense up and they just run rough shot over a lot of this.

00:23:50.620 So I think there's a couple different things going on.

00:23:53.180 Like first, I don't think this particular, though you might be right that in general they're trying to ratchet some of this stuff down.

00:23:59.400 I don't think in particular Anna's stuff is particularly manufactured.

00:24:04.200 I think it's all kind of sincere.

00:24:06.120 I think she really does believe it and find herself in this scenario because, you know, I put out a piece called The Neocon Cycle, and she's just kind of following every step of the Neocon Cycle.

00:24:17.000 Well, you know, she had a certain position in the revolution.

00:24:20.260 She thought that was the vanguard tip of the spear of the revolution.

00:24:25.220 Once the revolution moved past that goal, all of a sudden she's in a scenario where she's still fighting for the last version of progressivism.

00:24:35.000 You know, she's still, where's my economic progressivism?

00:24:38.600 Where's my Bernie Sanders progressivism?

00:24:40.600 Oh, well, it was dead.

00:24:42.920 It's nothing.

00:24:43.500 It was just a tool of the revolution.

00:24:45.380 They never actually meant any of that stuff.

00:24:47.500 Same thing with your feminism. 1.00

00:24:48.560 Like, that's all in the trash now. 0.99

00:24:50.000 You're no longer the important thing.

00:24:51.780 At that point, the answer is, like, either you can just knuckle under and stay with the movement and go to the next thing, or you can stand on principle, at least to some extent, and get chipped off the block, right?

00:25:04.640 Like, you can just get kind of thrown in the trash there.

00:25:06.800 And so I think that, and a lot of right-wingers don't understand this.

00:25:12.120 They're like, oh, the left eats its own.

00:25:14.120 The left eats its own.

00:25:15.200 They're going to destroy themselves.

00:25:16.760 No, guys.

00:25:18.280 No, this is a key part of the process.

00:25:20.180 Like, the left is shaving off anybody who isn't 100% malleable, who isn't 100% willing to go into the revolution wherever they take it, right?

00:25:29.740 And so if you – one of the ways you can know that the gains are being locked in, the ratchet is being locked in, is people like Anna fall off.

00:25:40.840 That's how you know, is because actually these people can no longer stay with the revolution.

00:25:46.860 The left is purifying itself.

00:25:48.760 It's not eating its own.

00:25:51.160 The other thing is that this pays a key part of the process in containing the right, because as these people fall off, as you noted, the right wants to pick them up.

00:26:02.240 And the reasons are pretty simple.

00:26:03.400 These people are often high profile, right?

00:26:05.960 They are people who are closer to the revolution's last kind of update, and so they have more social cachet.

00:26:14.360 They are seen as more reasonable.

00:26:16.140 They are seen as more high status.

00:26:17.820 They don't have all the low status opinions and low status markers that are attached to all the right wingers.

00:26:24.620 And so they think if we can just capture this high status person, this person who was part of the revolution and had an audience, then they'll bring those people with them.

00:26:34.180 And this is another part of it, because of kind of the dialectic and the nature of the democratic process, they look at this and they say, oh, well, we're winning once we get these people, right?

00:26:44.700 If we can just capture these people, then we will have won the argument.

00:26:47.420 We'll have the majority.

00:26:48.920 And everything I've learned about politics means if I have the majority, I win, right?

00:26:53.020 That's how politics works.

00:26:54.300 It's about compelling enough people and capturing the majority.

00:26:57.520 But of course, we both know that's not what happens.

00:26:59.620 These people get brought into the movement.

00:27:01.240 They get given positions of leadership and status, and then they pull the right to the left.

00:27:08.660 They pull the right to the center or to the left.

00:27:10.220 Yeah, I was going to mention that.

00:27:11.360 Yeah.

00:27:11.540 Yeah.

00:27:11.800 And so Anna Kasparian falling off of the left is actually a critical part of building a containment for the right to make sure that the right is always shifting in the direction of people like her and away from people like Pat Buchanan, right?

00:27:29.080 Who knew all this stuff was coming anyway and warned everybody.

00:27:31.980 But now we're not paying attention to the religious right people from the 80s who perfectly predicted the future.

00:27:37.800 And we should absolutely have been listening to the whole time.

00:27:40.440 Instead, we're listening to the person who was a feminist and was on board with every part of the trans stuff until it started destroying the female identity. 1.00

00:27:48.120 Obviously, you know, like these are now the prophets of the right.

00:27:51.420 Right.

00:27:51.620 And this is how we end up with Caitlyn Jenner conservatism, because they think if you can just capture, you know, that's that that part of the of the movement, then you'll be able to kind of turn every victory is just one step away.

00:28:06.000 And if we can just bring one of these people in, then then we've kind of solved the problem.

00:28:10.100 And so that's why you see so many people jumping on top of this and trying to claim this as a victory instead of understanding like, oh, no, if you don't gatekeep against this person, they're just going to completely pull you to where the left was a few years ago.

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00:28:53.140 Oh, yeah, definitely. 0.92

00:28:53.960 The grifter class has gone insane. 1.00

00:28:56.200 That's a great point.

00:28:57.140 Let me add to it now.

00:28:58.260 Listen, I have to be careful of what I say because my GF is going to be listening to this.

00:29:05.640 So I have to be careful on the woman question. 0.65

00:29:08.020 Long-housed already.

00:29:09.220 Yeah, no, go ahead.

00:29:09.520 Yeah, I'm long-housed.

00:29:10.200 Exactly.

00:29:10.820 I know it's been long-housed already, right?

00:29:13.200 So for those of you who think I'm just talking nonsense, yes, I'm not like as much of whatever stereotype.

00:29:21.760 But yes, but in my heart, though, I am still a true sell in my heart.

00:29:25.500 So when it comes to women, women are very complicated when it comes to the political questions between the prevailing ideologies. 1.00

00:29:31.700 Because on the one hand, you do have the dilution of discourse among the political right.

00:29:37.500 A lot of, you know, a lot of the frogs in particular feel that you should gatekeep them out, that they inevitably will dilute in terms of not just political ideas,

00:29:47.940 but the operation, the sort of greater subtext or the images of thought of how you conduct political discourse, especially on the internet.

00:29:57.980 I noticed that, you know, listen, I say this with kindness, but a lot of times it devolves into like mean girls, high school level dynamic when you let these girls in, I hate to say it.

00:30:11.080 But when it comes to, I noticed they have this, like the political right, the punditry class, it's always like unwoke women. 1.00

00:30:19.480 There's something there.

00:30:20.780 And I feel it's because there's this perception that like right-wing ideology or even nominally conservative ideology is always going to be like a sausage festival for men and that there's no place.

00:30:35.160 But on the other side, if you actually examine what a lot of the feminists have written about, I believe it was Andrea Dworkin that wrote about right-wing women about like, 1.00

00:30:43.740 and her explanation was, of course, very like condescending that the reason women gravitate to a certain type of women gravitate towards the right is because they want protection from the patriarchy. 1.00

00:30:54.240 And so they're basically pick these, right?

00:30:55.980 But I don't think that, I think that politically though, women are more complex as a quote unquote, like social policy or voting bloc. 1.00

00:31:03.340 Because a lot, you know, especially family women, they have other interests that probably great with like modern progressive ideology. 1.00

00:31:10.460 And we saw this during Trump.

00:31:11.960 Trump really did upend a lot of these political categories when it came to like gender war stuff, when it came to social policy, but also the nature of the trend, like you mentioned, of the right-wing going to sleep whenever they're in power.

00:31:25.620 Because the reason that that didn't happen under Trump, maybe it led to the left being even more, you know, energized than ever,

00:31:32.420 was because Trump, through the sheer power of being the number one poster, and for all of his flaws, he was the number one Twitter poster, as I've said before, as many people have said.

00:31:41.460 Um, every day was a state of exception, every day was an emergency, because he would tweet out like, these people are evil, these people want to take your children, you have to go after, like, he didn't say go after them, you know, like he wasn't fed posting, but yeah, and sometimes, but, you know, it really changed the nature from the old school, like, right side of the liberal spectrum of politics,

00:32:05.220 especially under the Bush and the Obama years, to, like, this, like, energetic, vitalistic, reactionary politics of, like, every single day is a new issue to go after.

00:32:15.740 But the role of women was very interesting in that, because, you know, like I say, I think, like, a lot of us have our predispositions, especially the political right, you know, again, I'm not saying, like, I'm a wholesome, chungus woman respecter, I'm just, I'm saying this purely as a fact that women are a lot more complex politically than we like to think, right?

00:32:33.660 And yes, it is true that they're more influenced by the social, you know, the social apparatus around us than men, that's, you know, okay, fine, that's true. 0.56

00:32:41.160 But I do think that, especially under Trump, there were that, there was that segment of women that didn't go along with it, and a lot of them were family women, a lot of them were married and so forth, and that's, you know, different.

00:32:52.200 But when it comes to, like, the, quote-unquote, ex-leftist, like, woman, that maybe, I don't think Anna Kasparian's this, I don't know if she's, like, really cemented her grift game thus far, but, you know, there are certain ones that have, there are certain ones that sort of play up certain issues on the political right, but slowly start to drop off other ones.

00:33:15.140 So, for example, a lot of the, quote-unquote, ex-woke leftists, they will say, like, you know, the trans children stuff, that's too far, that's, you know, that's the left going insane, right?

00:33:27.780 The perfect eagle, the left has gone insane!

00:33:29.800 But, when it comes to other very important issues, especially immigration, that's never mentioned, or rather, the discourse is selectively cropped away from other issues, right?

00:33:41.400 And even when it came to the radfems, I mean, there was a significant, you know, besides the Roe court ruling, before that, you know, there was a significant ratcheting down of pro-life discourse,

00:33:53.760 because you had this, like, obsession with the Red-Brown Alliance, and, you know, radfems are disenfranchised by the left, and, you know, and, hey, listen, I sympathize with them,

00:34:03.260 because a lot of the radical feminists are sort of politically homeless now, because the right-wing, certainly, we have our own ideas about natural hierarchy, 1.00

00:34:11.380 and the role of, you know, family life, and so forth, and the political left does not tolerate them whatsoever, because women, you know, 1.00

00:34:18.700 the trans thing has demonstrated one thing, is that the older model of women, in particular, being, like, the revolutionary subject of the progressive left,

00:34:28.360 that's no longer holding anymore.

00:34:30.200 They need a more pure revolutionary subject, and we know the ones that are more pure than, like, women as a whole, as a bloc. 1.00

00:34:37.260 So, I think you're going to see a lot of anarchist Berians in the future.

00:34:41.560 You'll see them become politically homeless before our eyes.

00:34:45.200 The debate is whether the right should really welcome them with open arms.

00:34:48.700 Right? I mean, that's, yeah, without saying too much.

00:34:51.420 I hope I didn't offend too many women out there, but, you know, it's, yeah, yeah. 0.50

00:34:54.920 No, I, you know, and obviously, like, the fact that she was specifically moved, in many ways, by the trans stuff,

00:35:03.280 is particular to her being female, but we can see the cycle for multiple people, right? 0.69

00:35:10.800 Many males from the left have kind of gone through this, too.

00:35:14.720 So, this one is, there are unique aspects that are female, but we can see this behavior, the cycle mirrored in others. 0.76

00:35:21.900 I wanted to go ahead and run down, so I did a little bit of research for the stream.

00:35:26.720 Like Dave the Distributist, I decided to watch Adam and Stitch, you know, because they had Anna Kasperian on doing her, like,

00:35:36.940 oh, no, yeah, I've left the left, you know, kind of dance.

00:35:40.940 I didn't leave the left, the left, left me.

00:35:44.160 Play the classic one more time from the top.

00:35:47.400 So, I wanted to understand, because like I said, I hadn't really interacted with anything from the Young Turks in a long time.

00:35:54.280 And so, I wanted to go ahead and understand kind of what the events were here.

00:35:57.300 So, we'll play a clip from that in just a second, because there's a choice clip that we've got to play.

00:36:02.360 But before we get that, so the background for her, like, these were the steps that she described for her not-so-red-pilled, red-pilled journey.

00:36:12.600 So, the first thing was, like, the Kyle Rittenhouse case.

00:36:16.100 Okay.

00:36:16.340 So, it was apparently just, like, you know, all the things came out, she believed everything she heard, she was on there screaming along with Chank, you know, calling him a murder, and then, like, the video came out.

00:36:28.260 And she's like, no, this kid just didn't want to die.

00:36:32.340 And, like, everybody else kept telling her, no, no, he's a murderer, he killed these people.

00:36:36.220 He's like, no, he clearly was about to get clubbed to death by a guy, and then, like, another guy had a gun and was getting ready to shoot him.

00:36:43.920 Like, he's obviously defending his life.

00:36:46.300 You can have all the debates you want about whether he should be there and blah, blah, blah.

00:36:50.020 But, like, the truth is very clear. 0.95

00:36:52.260 He did not just spray, you know, a gun into a crowd of, you know, black people at a protest. 0.62

00:36:58.100 Like, this guy was defending himself literally against pedophiles and domestic abusers, you know, crowd full of communists, who would have guessed?

00:37:05.000 Well, you know, the Rittenhouse trial was a great filter for people.

00:37:07.940 Like, it was a great litmus test for a lot of people.

00:37:09.840 And a lot of people failed, unfortunately, but, yeah.

00:37:11.860 Yeah, but apparently that was kind of one of her first moments of breaking open.

00:37:17.100 And, like, the next one is kind of these hate hoax witch hunts that keep coming up.

00:37:25.260 So, I don't know if you remember, like, the bird-watching guy with the woman's dog in the park.

00:37:30.200 Oh, yeah, yeah, there's a term for bird-watching.

00:37:32.760 There's a technical term, but, yeah, I remember this.

00:37:34.620 Yeah, yeah, so, you know, he played it up as if she was a racist for, like, calling the cops on him.

00:37:40.900 But she called the cops because this guy was, like, trying, was, like, aggressively, you know, trying to get her dog to come over to him and threatening her.

00:37:49.560 And, like, and so, you know, again, Kasperi went along with everything at first.

00:37:54.240 But once she saw the video, she was, like, okay, no, obviously, like, this guy is harassing a woman.

00:37:59.780 Like, I thought we were against that.

00:38:01.680 But actually, just because she got called a racist publicly. 0.91

00:38:04.700 Same thing with the woman who got the bike, you know, and had the... 1.00

00:38:09.160 Yeah, the pregnant woman. 0.99

00:38:10.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah, the nurse who they tried to take her bike.

00:38:13.720 Similar situation where she just kept seeing these things where it's, like, this is obviously not a person who went out of their way to do something racist.

00:38:20.760 It's a woman being intimidated by somebody. 0.96

00:38:23.420 And we're siding with the people who intimidate the woman because racism is the more important narrative than a woman being harassed.

00:38:31.460 So that was kind of the next thing.

00:38:33.280 And then, and this is the one I said we'd get to eventually.

00:38:36.080 She was actually personally assaulted.

00:38:37.800 So, like, you know, obviously, crime rampant in these cities, getting worse and worse every day.

00:38:43.840 You know, leftists completely ignoring it.

00:38:45.740 She's complaining about it.

00:38:46.920 She's being told she's a racist because she's complaining about the crime. 0.92

00:38:50.720 And then two guys assault her. 1.00

00:38:53.660 Like, one guy, two homeless guys assault her.

00:38:55.500 One guy apparently tried to, like, dry hump her, like, and everything. 1.00

00:38:59.380 And so, you know, she complains about this. 0.95

00:39:02.440 And she was told that complaining about this was racist.

00:39:06.060 Like, complaining.

00:39:07.080 And it turned out, I guess, that they were two white guys.

00:39:09.300 But whatever.

00:39:09.800 Like, everyone, even her leftist friends, when they heard about the assault, assumed that the assailants would be minority men.

00:39:16.180 And that her talking about them was racist. 0.77

00:39:19.960 So, she was literally mugged.

00:39:21.540 Like, she's a neocon because literally she was mugged. 0.86

00:39:24.100 Like, that's actually his thing.

00:39:25.820 So, then we get the TERF stuff that we already talked about.

00:39:29.140 Like, I believe a trans person left TYT because of it in a Kasparian.

00:39:32.900 Apparently, she was reported to human resources inside the company multiple times.

00:39:38.440 Well, like, doesn't she own her and Chink Yu-Gi-Oh! 1.00

00:39:40.740 Like, own the two young characters?

00:39:42.200 I don't think she owns it.

00:39:43.480 I know she's, like, the executive producer of the main show.

00:39:47.160 I know Chink has part of it, right? 1.00

00:39:49.100 And then, like, I don't know, royal families somewhere on the rest of it.

00:39:53.020 Yeah, there's some kind of thing going on.

00:39:54.900 Yeah, a little bit speculating.

00:39:56.340 But either way, like, she, you know, she got reported to HR for saying, like, I don't

00:40:04.520 want to be called a birthing person.

00:40:06.940 And then, like, finally now she's at this point where she did her research on puberty

00:40:12.960 blockers.

00:40:13.520 And, uh-oh, it turns out, like, actually, these aren't harmless things that you can just

00:40:18.060 take and they arrest puberty.

00:40:19.620 They actually, like, permanently damage children and are very likely to cause, like, serious

00:40:23.900 issues.

00:40:24.320 Um, and now the left hates her.

00:40:27.180 So this is, these are kind of been the issues that she's kind of fallen down, uh, you know,

00:40:32.240 the rabbit hole with each one, uh, taking kind of the next step towards this position where

00:40:37.160 now she's politically homeless. 1.00

00:40:40.600 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:42.060 So, yeah, the red pilling of Anika Sparian's been quite, uh, you know, it is funny how a lot 0.82

00:40:49.300 of it does come from, like, you know, upper class, you know, liberals being sheltered.

00:40:54.320 They're not sheltered from the consequences of their own policies until they're not sheltered

00:40:58.740 anymore.

00:40:59.780 Um, that's crazy.

00:41:00.660 I always assumed that TYT was from New York, but they're from California.

00:41:04.440 Yeah, they're, yeah, out of LA, yeah.

00:41:06.580 Oh, okay.

00:41:07.240 I believe so.

00:41:08.020 I believe LA is where they were at.

00:41:09.740 But, yeah, so obviously everyone knows how bad.

00:41:12.140 And she said, you know, she's like, I'm just being gaslighted by crime.

00:41:14.840 I'm watching people break into stores.

00:41:16.320 I'm watching people, you know, shoplifting rings come through and steal things. 0.87

00:41:19.440 I'm being sexually assaulted on the street.

00:41:21.860 I know people are getting shot and my liberal friends are all telling me, no, that's not 0.82

00:41:25.900 happening.

00:41:26.320 That's racist propaganda.

00:41:27.600 Like, like at some point, you know, uh, you kind of have to, but I wanted to play this

00:41:31.940 real quick because she said something, uh, that I knew was coming.

00:41:36.040 I knew this line is coming, but I want to talk about it a little bit here.

00:41:39.120 So, uh, we'll just go ahead and play this real quick.

00:41:41.800 Let me know if you can't hear it.

00:41:43.580 That's funny.

00:41:44.220 Cause that really resonates with me.

00:41:45.580 I definitely don't see myself on the right, but of course, I don't know.

00:41:51.460 I don't, again, I just really want to reiterate.

00:41:53.460 I don't fit in anywhere at this point.

00:41:55.760 Like, I don't think there's really a label that perfectly describes me.

00:41:59.040 And to be quite honest, I think attaching myself to a label limits, limits me.

00:42:06.700 It limits my ability to like, really think about each individual issue critically and carefully.

00:42:14.380 Like, and that's, that's, I think that's really important to have a more accurate perspective

00:42:19.440 of the world around you.

00:42:21.060 Listen, we got a label for you.

00:42:23.160 No, no, no.

00:42:23.920 Don't take the centrist label.

00:42:25.420 Enlightened centrist.

00:42:27.160 Anyway.

00:42:27.940 So, so the reason I wanted to point.

00:42:30.400 There you go.

00:42:31.100 Yeah.

00:42:31.540 Yeah.

00:42:32.260 By the way, this was, this was a painful stream.

00:42:34.680 I don't know how people like Dave distributors is always watching this stuff.

00:42:38.420 And so we don't have to, and I guess God bless them.

00:42:40.520 Cause I don't want to watch any more of it.

00:42:41.880 But anyway, so I, I, I thought a couple fascinating things came out of that first, anytime someone

00:42:49.880 makes this journey, anytime someone goes from left to right, the, the, the words are always

00:42:56.000 the same.

00:42:56.620 It's always the same.

00:42:57.380 I don't want to be first.

00:42:59.020 It's I'm not on the right.

00:43:00.280 Right.

00:43:00.540 Because I have to make it clear at any point I'm in control of this conversion.

00:43:04.820 I'm not, I'm not listening to you guys.

00:43:07.320 I'm not in dialogue with what you're saying.

00:43:09.480 You have to be in dialogue with me.

00:43:10.960 Right.

00:43:11.280 And so I, so I'm not on your team and I'm not one of the bad guys, you know?

00:43:15.340 And so I want to, you know, that power dynamic is already there at the beginning.

00:43:18.300 Yeah.

00:43:18.400 The discourse is already cemented.

00:43:20.080 So yeah, exactly.

00:43:21.760 But the other thing is, um, being part of a team limits me.

00:43:27.100 Right.

00:43:27.500 So it's always about the individual.

00:43:30.100 It's always about me as a person and where I'm at, which is funny because these people

00:43:34.520 are professional political pundits.

00:43:38.060 Yes.

00:43:38.620 Their job to understand political issues and how they work.

00:43:42.840 And the first thing you should understand about political punditry as a political pundit,

00:43:47.460 political issues, it's not about the individual.

00:43:50.760 No one cares.

00:43:51.440 No one cares about your utopian assortment of well-thought-over policy issues.

00:43:57.700 It's a knife fight between two gangs.

00:44:00.660 Right.

00:44:01.140 And it's, and so when you say I'm homeless and I don't have a team, what you're saying

00:44:05.400 is I don't understand how politics works.

00:44:07.800 I think politics is about me having the properly articulated, most accurate policy positions.

00:44:15.340 No, that's not how that works at all.

00:44:17.780 But, but it's about, but it's about her personal journey.

00:44:21.380 It's about each individual issue.

00:44:22.620 If we could all just listen to each other, then it, and you know, that, that's always

00:44:26.600 the way they seem to understand it whenever they kind of make this journey.

00:44:30.060 Yeah.

00:44:30.500 She's speed running the Dave Rubin.

00:44:32.060 Let's all sit down and talk.

00:44:33.560 Right.

00:44:33.900 Right.

00:44:34.040 You know, but the political conditions for that are like long gone.

00:44:38.480 Um, I see.

00:44:39.380 And today I was going to release an episode of content minded on Wednesday, but you know, I'm

00:44:44.480 currently writing a book as most people know on, uh, you know, who follow me.

00:44:49.520 Um, and I'm going to have to write an article about this anonymity debate with Jordan Peterson

00:44:53.940 and, uh, Richard Hanania and so forth.

00:44:57.040 Um, you know, even though I use my, yeah, yeah.

00:45:00.340 Even though I use my, we both use our real faces and real names.

00:45:03.200 Uh, I, we're still very pro and on for a reason.

00:45:06.320 Uh, but I think like people miscredit Peterson, why he's against anonymity, why he has this

00:45:11.020 terrible fear of it.

00:45:11.980 But anyways, um, I bring this up because I noticed that the political punditry class,

00:45:16.460 there always is a, it's like a safe thing.

00:45:20.020 Um, but there's always an appeal, which again, or in like, you know, you, you read, like,

00:45:25.480 you know, you've read your juvenile and your Burnham and your, you know, your elite theory

00:45:30.240 school.

00:45:30.680 Uh, you've read your mold bug.

00:45:32.620 So, you know, that the appeal to sort of a utilitarian and objective rationality in politics

00:45:39.440 is already going to be coded within a form of like modern liberal managerialism.

00:45:45.180 If we can just appeal to like unbiased, quote unquote, social policy that can quote unquote

00:45:51.500 work for people, um, like, okay, I'm sorry, Anna, but if you want to get rid of the homeless

00:45:58.160 problem in California, there's going to be like tons of very scary political decisions

00:46:04.960 that are going to make you uncomfortable in order to do that.

00:46:07.920 No, I'm not saying anything by that.

00:46:09.160 I'm not saying like, listen, I think the right wing goes a bit too far.

00:46:12.180 I think that we should have compassion for homeless people.

00:46:14.660 Uh, you know, I've known a lot of homeless people because I too live in, it's maybe it's

00:46:18.120 not as bad as in, you know, in Ontario, but I too live in a Rust Belt area.

00:46:22.040 And, uh, yeah, so, but I do think that when it comes to the way in which the political

00:46:28.700 class or whatever you want to call them, I believe California is run by nine political

00:46:32.260 families, uh, the way they've handled the crisis of homelessness in California.

00:46:36.960 And we could even talk about the climate and the geographic reason why there's so many

00:46:41.960 homeless in California, but the way that they've handled it, the way that they've like

00:46:45.400 thrown the average taxpaying citizen under the bus in order to fix, it's going to create

00:46:50.400 a lot of like very scary States of exception.

00:46:53.120 That's going to have to have a legitimacy of rulership, real rulership that is going 0.94

00:46:59.720 to make people in the political left uncomfortable.

00:47:01.980 I mean, you know, I mean, that's just obvious.

00:47:03.940 So the sort of like appeal to quote unquote, rational public policy that is beyond ideology

00:47:09.920 is itself a liberal claim is itself a tautological circle that a lot of these people from like Dave

00:47:16.960 Ruben to like, I guess, you know, in a, in a Kasparian now, um, they employ this sort

00:47:21.980 of like, I don't want to be put in any label.

00:47:24.020 I'm not of this or that.

00:47:25.720 Well, I hate to say it, but people like, and this is, I think where even the political

00:47:30.600 right in some regard got it wrong, especially during the Gamergate days, not casting shade

00:47:35.260 on friends of ours.

00:47:36.180 You know, I, I still have very good respect for Don Sargonne, uh, Carl Benjamin, but I think

00:47:42.180 that the, from the outset, the sort of appeal to this, like, let's not be so political.

00:47:48.480 Let's just worry about the ethics in gaming journalism.

00:47:51.860 That was sort of the wrong message because we're already crossed the threshold within

00:47:56.360 this, you know, quote unquote, post-truth or hyper-modern reality that we're living in,

00:48:02.260 where it's not just that like things become politicized.

00:48:05.640 It's just that by nature of the everydayness of life, things have a political comportment,

00:48:12.340 have a political function because politics in the absence of metaphysics, that is what

00:48:17.780 fills the void for most people nowadays, right?

00:48:20.620 We're, we're dealing with something higher than ourselves.

00:48:22.900 So the sort of appeal to like a post-political world where we can all just agree on what is,

00:48:28.380 you know, we can use, you know, to, to, you know, bring in, I guess, Habermas here, we 0.99

00:48:32.760 can appeal to this communicative action, this communicative rationality that we have, where

00:48:37.640 we can talk it out.

00:48:38.740 We can have like the pure logical social policy.

00:48:41.720 That's never, that's never going to be reality.

00:48:44.040 And the people that constructed that ideology themselves had an alternative agenda of like,

00:48:49.340 well, actually rationality only falls within the margins of my progressive political ideology.

00:48:56.720 Imagine that.

00:48:57.540 It's like, you know, every, you know, the good guys won every single war in human history

00:49:01.520 and, you know, the bad guys always lost and, oh, the good, you know, only science agrees

00:49:06.380 with the good guys and only prudent social policy agrees with the quote unquote good people

00:49:11.600 on the right side of history.

00:49:12.800 So it's a con, it's a game.

00:49:14.060 That's like a long-winded theory.

00:49:15.300 So I'll take to just say that you really can't construct a purely post-political rationality

00:49:21.480 when it comes to like these griping, you know, social, domestic, and even geopolitical

00:49:27.440 issues.

00:49:27.860 Right.

00:49:28.520 I mean, and I think like, it's very rich for someone like Anna, you know, Anna Kasparian

00:49:33.800 to come along after like, you know, like literal, like almost multiple decades of just like dumping

00:49:39.180 on the political right.

00:49:40.360 I mean, didn't she even cancel, um, what's his name?

00:49:43.360 Who was, I guess he's another like post-left or rather, you know, um, Bernie, I, you know,

00:49:49.640 red brown Alliance type, but what's the guy, not Sam Cedar, the other guy, um, that was

00:49:54.120 a, you know, like she accused him of being sexist or whatever.

00:49:59.020 Um, man, like what's his name?

00:50:01.680 Not Jimmy Dore, right?

00:50:03.060 Jimmy Dore, Jimmy Dore.

00:50:03.760 Oh, okay.

00:50:04.320 Yeah.

00:50:04.520 Jimmy Dore.

00:50:05.060 Um, you know, because he was a critic of the war and, and, uh, you know, American social,

00:50:08.900 you know, American geopolitics.

00:50:10.420 Right.

00:50:10.620 Um, you know, I believe the thing was that like, she had a skirt that was too like revealing 1.00

00:50:17.700 and Jimmy Dore said something in front of her students and she accused him of sex.

00:50:21.080 And it was like, from what Jimmy Dore says, again, I don't want to, you know, this is like

00:50:25.600 allegedly, but Jimmy Dore, the way he said it was like, Anna tried to like knock him off

00:50:30.740 from the position, sort of like, you know, stab him in the back a little.

00:50:35.780 Yeah.

00:50:36.240 So, no, I mean, Anna Kasparin has been talking about how evil the right is, how, like, how,

00:50:41.900 how, uh, kind of, uh, ontologically evil the chuds are for years. 1.00

00:50:47.680 Right.

00:50:47.980 Like she, remember the speech about how much better she was than you?

00:50:51.500 Like, remember?

00:50:52.020 Oh, that was great.

00:50:52.760 That was great.

00:50:53.420 You know, yeah.

00:50:54.520 Like just one of the, yeah, I'm better than you.

00:50:56.840 Yes.

00:50:57.040 I am a better person than you.

00:50:58.580 That's why I deserve to rule you.

00:51:00.520 That's why I deserve to.

00:51:01.400 Remember when she fat shamed Alex Jones during the, yeah. 0.98

00:51:04.820 Yeah.

00:51:05.080 Like she.

00:51:06.040 If I can't say on YouTube, she started, used a lot of expletives and she had this little

00:51:10.260 cat fight back when Leanne McAdoo used to work for Infowars.

00:51:13.400 Uh, it was fun.

00:51:14.200 It was fun.

00:51:14.540 Yeah.

00:51:14.720 But this is, this is who she's been the whole time.

00:51:16.920 Right.

00:51:17.180 And like, so she, she has been one of these people who just assumed the other side was

00:51:21.280 at their base evil.

00:51:22.000 And it was really nice, you know, for a minute while I was watching the stream, even though

00:51:25.640 in general it was cringe, it was very nice for a moment just to realize how clueless

00:51:30.480 the left is too.

00:51:31.880 They're just, she's just like, I don't understand why we can't talk about the

00:51:35.760 economics anymore.

00:51:37.220 I just don't get it guys.

00:51:38.660 Like, I don't, I don't understand why, why they keep focusing on this stuff and not the,

00:51:43.280 not the, it's like, Oh really?

00:51:46.060 Like you, you don't understand.

00:51:47.680 You don't get it.

00:51:48.300 It's, it's kind of mind blowing, but, but they don't like, I I've run into enough of

00:51:52.700 these people now where I believe them.

00:51:54.140 I don't, I don't think they're playing 40 chess.

00:51:56.240 I think they just literally don't see, uh, don't see what's going on there.

00:52:00.360 But yeah, it's very clear that as they're having this conversation, as she's having,

00:52:04.340 you know, conversation with Adam and, and PSA stitch and all these, they're like, Oh,

00:52:08.520 well, uh, you know, I just don't understand why we can't talk things out and then just arrive

00:52:12.600 at the, the logical conclusion.

00:52:14.240 Why can't everyone just reason through everything together?

00:52:17.100 And it's like, uh, because the average person is, uh, watching NFL or real housewives in

00:52:23.320 between like yelling at their kids and getting back from 50 hours at a, like a mind destroying

00:52:29.440 job.

00:52:29.880 Like that.

00:52:30.920 Why is it?

00:52:31.360 The gas is more expensive.

00:52:32.760 Why is it?

00:52:33.280 Basic produce is more expensive than ever before.

00:52:36.040 Or, you know, I mean, Hey, like spending some time in America recently, you guys have it

00:52:40.800 even better than us Leafs.

00:52:41.860 Okay.

00:52:42.100 Everything is expensive in Canada, even adjusting for inflation.

00:52:45.080 So yeah, that's what the average person is more concerned with.

00:52:48.300 The average person just does not actually spend time accumulating a careful amount of,

00:52:56.760 uh, properly positioned political ideas and to sit there as a professional political pundit

00:53:03.900 and say, why doesn't everyone do in their spare time?

00:53:07.800 What I do badly for a living is just kind of wild to me.

00:53:13.460 Like it just shows such a complete lack of understanding of what politics is really about.

00:53:18.020 Like your problem is not that you don't agree on certain policy positions.

00:53:23.160 It's that you literally don't agree on basic tenets of morality, value, and life.

00:53:29.340 Like, like you cannot find a common, there is no common position between people who think

00:53:34.760 they must mutilate children to save their lives and people who think that child mutilation

00:53:39.400 is evil.

00:53:39.900 There is no middle ground.

00:53:42.060 There is, there is no position you can negotiate between those two.

00:53:45.780 And the fact that they, they just continue to fall into that like conversational rut.

00:53:51.120 Like it's just, uh, you know, the, I think Dave calls it the chat bot reset, you know,

00:53:55.380 it's like, it's like, okay, next, next, uh, edition of neocons rolled off the assembly line

00:54:00.880 time to have all the exact same conversations we had 10 years ago when this happened, as

00:54:06.140 if nothing has changed, because I guess it hasn't.

00:54:09.100 Well, I mean, to be fair though, Anna does come from an older school of the, not even far

00:54:15.900 left, but let's say progressive left that, you know, really came about during the Bush years

00:54:21.460 and then into the Obama years, I'm specifically talking about the remnants of like, sort of

00:54:26.580 the anti-globalization people, like, you know, Abby, like people that were on Russia today,

00:54:31.580 like people like Abby Martin or Tom Hartman, or, you know, add Amy Goodman from democracy

00:54:37.340 now, or Chris Hedges, by the way, I do still, even though Trump broke his brain, I do still

00:54:41.840 quite admire a lot of Chris Hedges is writing.

00:54:43.960 Uh, but you know, these people, a lot of them, you know, Trumpism really destroyed them mentally.

00:54:48.480 So they had to capitulate to even like a more progressive neoliberalism when it came to

00:54:54.540 specifically economic policies, because the sort of like American protectionism was being

00:54:59.440 seized upon by the Maga Chuds. 0.99

00:55:01.640 Um, now also, so I don't catch a stray, I don't know anything really about, uh, what's

00:55:05.780 his name?

00:55:07.220 Adam and Sitch?

00:55:08.680 Is that, I only know that because distributors hate these guys and they hate these guys.

00:55:13.000 What are they like, just centrist?

00:55:14.520 What are they?

00:55:14.780 No, I remember Adam friended a long time ago.

00:55:18.120 Um, I remember he used to have a picture, a picture of a grand Admiral Thrawn.

00:55:22.620 I don't know how star Wars extended old, but before they made a star Wars even worse.

00:55:28.200 Um, so he used to have a picture of him and that was like his, his, um, uh, uh, moniker.

00:55:34.980 And he was kind of in that skeptic sphere.

00:55:38.060 He was kind of in that, uh, displaced leftist sphere.

00:55:40.900 And then I didn't, I didn't really pay any attention to him for a long time, but I guess

00:55:44.080 at some point he ended up streaming with this other guy who's kind of adjacent to that.

00:55:48.520 And they like do a constant show from this rational centrist viewpoint.

00:55:53.040 So they're, you know, they're doing the, we're disaffected liberals.

00:55:55.740 Why can't, why can't the, the right and the left just, you know, be, be enlightened like

00:56:01.140 us and kind of understand all the problems of the world.

00:56:04.740 Um, I don't, I don't have any particular problems with either of them other than just like the

00:56:10.240 screen was and, and just, it wasn't very enlightening.

00:56:13.160 It was just, again, it's just things I heard.

00:56:15.600 I remember watching, you know, political YouTube, you know, seven or eight years ago and hearing

00:56:19.640 conversations.

00:56:21.320 And so, you know, it was just that kind of thing, but, uh, um, I wanted to bring attention.

00:56:26.660 Yeah.

00:56:26.880 But thank you.

00:56:27.620 Or I just want to say that.

00:56:28.540 Cause I have nothing against these people.

00:56:29.980 I mean, I'm friends with Dave and maybe, uh, you know, I, I gotta be in pocket for my friend,

00:56:34.740 you know, cause Dave, you know, this has been really great to me.

00:56:37.580 So, you know, but other than that, I have no, I have no ill will, but it's, but it's funny

00:56:42.240 that they have the pull to get Anna Kasparian on that's, you know, so they're probably

00:56:45.960 bigger streamers, but, um, certainly bigger than, you know, the digital archipelago, by the

00:56:50.960 way, this Thursday, we're going to cover a bit of Spangler on Prudentialist's channel.

00:56:55.560 It's going to be amazing.

00:56:56.980 Um, but I wanted to say, uh, do you remember when you quote, when you capped that, um, tweet

00:57:03.740 by counterpoint, not counterpoint, counterpoint, uh, totally different people.

00:57:08.080 Uh, do you remember who replied to counterpoints there?

00:57:11.920 I feel like I do, but it's not coming to mind right away.

00:57:14.580 Well, speaking of Gamergate, speaking of our, our good friend, Sargon of a cod, Carl Benjamin

00:57:21.940 rising from the ashes of Gamergate, none other than Brianna Wu.

00:57:28.520 Oh, with a folding chair.

00:57:31.880 Like did the music play?

00:57:33.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:34.220 The music played.

00:57:35.240 It's sort of like, kind of like, you know, John Moxley goes through the crowd and like,

00:57:39.420 you know, we're like, no, no, here's an old reference.

00:57:41.460 This is how much of an old head I am when it comes to wrestling.

00:57:43.620 It's kind of like the Sandman coming from the crowd in the ECW arena with the kendo stick 1.00

00:57:49.940 and, uh, you know, taking it to Tommy Dreamer or Spike Dudley.

00:57:54.320 So that's how much that's, you know, I have, uh, you know, I'm, I, AA was impressed with

00:57:59.600 my wrestling knowledge.

00:58:00.560 So that's, I'm sure.

00:58:01.680 Yes.

00:58:02.180 Yeah.

00:58:02.980 So Brianna Wu, what she said was very interesting.

00:58:06.740 And on my telegram post, I included it because of it.

00:58:09.520 Um, of course, you know, I have a Brianna who blocked for OPSEC reasons. 0.91

00:58:12.320 And so, um, she said that it doesn't matter if it's only 10% of the disagreement because

00:58:21.880 of that 10% of disagreement with the left is the linchpin of the entire leftist project,

00:58:28.320 which is true, which is a hundred percent.

00:58:30.780 Yeah.

00:58:31.340 Yeah.

00:58:31.600 So to give her a good friend, Kofefian on his credit, the woke are more correct. 0.94

00:58:35.300 I know it's like, it's like the woke are more correct than the mainstream, because you

00:58:39.000 have to realize that when it comes to the view of life, when it comes to the view of

00:58:44.440 the revolutionary subject itself, um, the sort of the reason the trans stuff has really

00:58:50.100 ascended into political discourse is because that is the linchpin of how you view kind of

00:58:56.200 like the abortion debate, how you view the subject and human worth and human life itself.

00:59:00.360 Because when Brianna who comes in there and says that while Anna Kasparian may, even though

00:59:05.100 numerically, it's only 10% of, I don't believe it's, it's probably more than 10% of the

00:59:09.640 sure, but whatever.

00:59:10.580 Yeah.

00:59:10.900 Well, for argument's sake, even though it's a minor disagreement, quote unquote, that

00:59:15.220 disagreement is of an existential, terrible, um, emergency level when it comes to her disagreement,

00:59:23.440 because if you do disagree with the plasticity of the human subject, when it comes particularly

00:59:29.140 around, you know, and like, uh, you know, a lot of her friends, like people like Alex

00:59:33.140 should have talked about this, how, you know, if you, you know, in the liberal modern world,

00:59:37.260 you know, if, if children can't consent, then nobody can consent because everyone has to

00:59:41.880 have the agency to consent to whatever they wish.

00:59:44.120 Right.

00:59:44.340 Because we're also was going, it was, it would undermine the core ethics of this sort of

00:59:49.920 like, you know, rootless post set, you know, post-religious secular world order that we're

00:59:54.740 living under, right.

00:59:55.520 The end of history, sort of social morality, quote unquote.

01:00:00.040 So the reason why it's such a vicious shelling point for the political left is because really

01:00:06.240 that does culminate into a lot of different strands of ideology.

01:00:10.440 And I know a lot of good people in the political right have talked about this, but it's something 0.93

01:00:13.280 that we shouldn't really neglect as to why they're so crazy. 0.74

01:00:17.260 Why does the left got insane with the trans stuff? 1.00

01:00:20.020 A lot of people that are like normal punditry people on the political right, the sort of like

01:00:24.300 Fox news circuit people, they think that this is like an aberration that they're uniquely

01:00:28.820 going crazy over and they're going to like burn their mana going crazy.

01:00:33.500 And then eventually they'll pull back to like liberal centrism.

01:00:35.980 No, it's not.

01:00:36.600 It's not that because it's an integral issue.

01:00:39.100 And so unironically, Brianna Wu is more correct than Anna Kasparian because it's so integral

01:00:45.420 to their project and their view of human life and their view of the sort of like utopian

01:00:49.900 future of the political left in general.

01:00:52.620 You know, and like having read a lot of, you know, not a lot, but like having read a fair

01:00:56.920 bit of academic literature around this issue.

01:00:59.400 Um, yeah, that's why.

01:01:01.780 I mean, I think again, like you were saying, it goes to the sort of mismanagement of her

01:01:08.940 own ideas of Anna Kasparian, because when it comes down to it, she should have realized

01:01:14.220 how integral it is.

01:01:15.460 I mean, she hangs around with leftists. 0.95

01:01:17.000 I mean, the trans people are employed by TYT.

01:01:19.600 She should know this.

01:01:20.480 So, yeah, it's what happens when you don't understand the structures, right?

01:01:28.140 When you think that when you don't understand that marriage is defined by a man or woman,

01:01:33.220 because that's what it is at its essence, when you think that's just some kind of bigoted

01:01:37.760 position, then you don't understand the process that's occurring.

01:01:40.940 You don't understand that the redefinition is itself like a breaking down of natural hierarchies,

01:01:45.300 a breaking down of kind of natural conditions that are necessary for societal health.

01:01:50.480 And so that's why you get blindsided then when they go to redefine woman, because for

01:01:54.340 some reason you thought the biology, remember when we used to think this, that like biology

01:01:58.840 would be a barrier to the revolution, that hard sciences would be protected, that the

01:02:03.900 physical parts of a woman would, would, would make it impossible to redefine what a woman 1.00

01:02:10.180 was.

01:02:10.720 But of course it wasn't like, but, but they, because they don't understand the process that

01:02:14.560 that's under, they're under, they don't understand like the, the pressures and the incentive

01:02:19.040 structures that are happening inside their own movement.

01:02:21.800 They're just blown away when they become a victim of it, because they, because for them,

01:02:26.140 they were, they weren't breaking anything down.

01:02:28.320 They were just fighting bigots, right?

01:02:30.020 Like there couldn't possibly have been a purpose for that. 0.99

01:02:33.740 Like, this is all just backward ignorant thinking. 0.95

01:02:35.900 There's no theory of mind on the left. 0.95

01:02:38.040 There's no theory of mind for like why the right is defending things. 1.00

01:02:41.840 They're just all either stupid or evil. 0.99

01:02:43.640 And so they, and so when like the inevitable mechanical, uh, part of the revolution gets 1.00

01:02:49.820 to the next thing, they're just like, well, I don't get it.

01:02:52.040 I don't understand.

01:02:52.860 Like, because they never, they never grasped it in the first place.

01:02:55.260 Well, that's, I talk about this a bit in my book about a neoliberal catch.

01:02:58.780 I mean, when it comes to political fandoms, right.

01:03:01.420 And that, you know, uh, and I have to kind of credit my friend, I know people don't like,

01:03:05.320 uh, cause well, I have to credit my friend, Catherine D for the analysis of, uh, fandoms,

01:03:10.520 you know, default friend, uh, but when it comes down to it, the reason that there, the

01:03:16.060 discourse is the way it is, is because of the view, like you were mentioning of the theory

01:03:20.640 of mind of the political left.

01:03:22.480 Now there was, it's very difficult because the left does have a, like a very muddled model

01:03:27.920 of political agency.

01:03:28.960 There are those who are more theory sellish that do talk about social constructionism and

01:03:34.820 who do talk about how you're an amalgamation of social forces.

01:03:38.880 Now, a lot of the theorists that are of the foundation of that, like Michel Foucault, they

01:03:43.780 weren't making a moral imperative claim.

01:03:46.600 Michel Foucault was making a claim of pure observation.

01:03:50.940 Hence why Noam Chomsky in that debate, you know, in, in, I believe was it California in

01:03:55.280 the 1970s said that Michel Foucault was the most amoral man he ever met in his life.

01:04:00.880 Right.

01:04:01.800 Point being is that they then take this discourse and run with it.

01:04:04.780 Now there are this other subsect of like, you know, a lot of Bernie bros were attracted

01:04:09.480 to this of the sort of like parapolitics model where it's sort of kind of like conspiracy

01:04:13.820 theory model of political power, but applied to the political, you know, the political left.

01:04:19.560 So for example, like, you know, the CIA conducts all of these missions in the third world and

01:04:24.140 the CIA was created by ex Austrian painter fans and so forth.

01:04:28.040 And like, it's, you know, it's, it's a very weird amalgamation, but when it comes to the

01:04:32.420 political right, um, there are more honest people on the political left who have like

01:04:37.260 outright said this people like, you know, again, the Gamergate days, um, Arthur Chu had

01:04:42.760 this great thread back in 2021.

01:04:44.240 If you remember, um, and listen, my good friend, Jay Burden's going to like really pop, uh, people

01:04:50.860 like Bob Chipman, you know, movie Bob.

01:04:52.980 Oh yeah.

01:04:53.280 Yeah.

01:04:53.460 Yeah.

01:04:53.940 Yeah.

01:04:54.120 They're incredibly, brutally honest that they view the political right as not even worthy

01:04:59.820 of their life, that they are a sort of swarm, a mass that will only serve as a contagion

01:05:08.120 that must be eradicated from proper discourse, if not physically, because you know, that's

01:05:13.320 like probably what they're implying in their heart of hearts, right?

01:05:15.880 Yeah.

01:05:15.980 They're not implying, they're not very careful about that implication.

01:05:19.120 Yeah.

01:05:19.580 Yeah.

01:05:19.780 So I, I wrote my book, um, in the one chapter about political fandoms and kitsch, um, this

01:05:25.700 one thread that came out after, um, I don't know if you should say it in YouTube, that one

01:05:30.420 event that happened in the Capitol a few years ago.

01:05:32.500 Yes.

01:05:33.300 Ashley Babbitt.

01:05:34.340 The day of walking around.

01:05:35.800 Yes.

01:05:36.120 Exactly.

01:05:36.520 The day of walking.

01:05:37.280 Exactly.

01:05:37.880 So, um, there's this thread that Arthur Chu did.

01:05:40.520 If you remember of Gamergate fame, Arthur Chu, that talked about Ashley Babbitt as like

01:05:45.260 basically, uh, you know, a literal cockroach that was exterminated and therefore the political

01:05:50.080 right, you shouldn't tolerate them because quote unquote, morality is inverted to them.

01:05:54.900 So when you hate them, you love them.

01:05:57.540 When you love them, you hate them.

01:05:59.260 It's like, in other words, all, all of the sort of liberal humanist norms can be suspended

01:06:07.040 in that state of exception when it comes to the political right.

01:06:10.060 And there are a lot of left, there are leftists that are like brave enough.

01:06:13.060 And I do recommend, I do commend people like Bob Chipman and like Arthur Chu who just come

01:06:18.660 out and say it and who are, who don't like, you know, who don't beat around the bush.

01:06:22.900 So this whole, this whole thing about, I misjudged the political left.

01:06:28.740 I mean, that really doesn't fly nowadays because I think that things are not what they were in

01:06:34.540 2012.

01:06:35.020 Things are not what they were in 2015.

01:06:38.660 Things are nowadays, right?

01:06:40.380 Like, I mean, in other words, discourse has matured enough to where even Anna Kasparian

01:06:45.520 should know what she was getting into.

01:06:47.560 When you're sitting in those rooms and the person next to you is leaning forward and basically

01:06:51.360 being like, we should probably get rid of the chuds. 1.00

01:06:54.620 Like as a class, no.

01:06:57.360 Like, yeah, exactly.

01:06:58.420 Like when there's class politics, like this whole obsession, a lot of these like post left

01:07:02.880 people, they use like old Marxist language of class politics.

01:07:06.660 I mean, in America, the distinctions between classes are sort of like scantily fading and

01:07:11.960 like what class politics is.

01:07:13.720 I mean, yes.

01:07:14.400 I mean, if a Marxist is listening to this, they could make an argument that there is such

01:07:17.840 a thing still as class politics.

01:07:19.300 But really, I mean, it's sort of like why a lot of conservatives are taken into this

01:07:25.080 idea of like, well, we have to accept the post left people because like, you know, the

01:07:29.700 post woke people because there's like this unified force of like my heck and awesome multicultural

01:07:35.260 working class.

01:07:37.020 I don't think working class people having like grown up and being in the working class.

01:07:40.800 I mean, I don't think we're all unified.

01:07:43.420 We're not like singing Kumbaya on the worker collective.

01:07:45.900 You know what I mean?

01:07:46.460 Yeah, I've been reading I've been reading Regime Change by Patrick Dineen.

01:07:51.680 I have some questions, but we can't get into that now.

01:07:56.300 We'll be here for another hour talking about.

01:07:58.360 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:58.600 Well, I mean, I might see if I can get Dineen on.

01:08:01.020 He follows me.

01:08:01.980 We'll see if I can.

01:08:03.380 I do actually want to have a conversation about it.

01:08:05.640 I just don't.

01:08:06.260 I don't want to just rant about it, though.

01:08:08.140 One probably could.

01:08:09.100 But but anyway, yeah, I think that I think you're right that there's kind of this inability

01:08:18.320 of people to hide the ball anymore and pretend like they didn't know what the left was about.

01:08:22.340 Like they're coming out and pretty much saying, like, we have to oppress or eliminate the

01:08:27.140 right in order to to have our utopia.

01:08:30.060 And if you're still sitting around and pretending like I misjudged the left, I didn't really

01:08:33.640 understand what was going on.

01:08:34.960 Like, yeah, they're not really hiding the ball, guys. 1.00

01:08:37.560 So you're either an idiot or a liar. 1.00

01:08:40.280 And either way, that means we don't really want you on the team. 1.00

01:08:43.080 I have I have the actual code from Arthur Chu.

01:08:45.660 I'll try to.

01:08:46.480 OK, I'll try to make sure it's, you know, you're upset friendly for you.

01:08:50.800 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:51.260 Yeah.

01:08:51.520 So here we go.

01:08:52.840 Arthur Chu.

01:08:53.360 This is from January 7th, 2021.

01:08:55.980 Wow.

01:08:56.320 Ashley Babbitt feeding the worms is one of the few good things that happened as a result 0.79

01:09:01.500 of the cat of the protest. 0.98

01:09:03.180 And if you feel the need to mourn her Austrian painter ass, I'll be easier for both of us 0.99

01:09:09.760 if you unfollow me. 0.99

01:09:10.840 When a bullet goes through the fatty tumor of an Austrian painter fan has in the space

01:09:15.700 where the human being would have a brain, nothing is lost.

01:09:18.420 Pile of meat that moved and spoke and acted like a person we need to stop moving and thus

01:09:22.740 could no longer fool people into thinking it was one of them.

01:09:26.640 An Austrian painter fan is the opposite of a person. 0.57

01:09:29.440 Therefore, our morality to them must be reversed.

01:09:32.160 To hate them is to love.

01:09:33.560 To harm them is to heal.

01:09:35.100 To redact them is to bring life.

01:09:37.480 You should feel less bad than you do of putting down a rabid animal.

01:09:40.600 In the case, the rabid virus and the host are separate entities, one with the victim,

01:09:44.660 the other.

01:09:45.300 An Austrian painter fan is the disease.

01:09:48.420 So the host and the disease are the same.

01:09:50.760 And that is like probably, I think, I applaud Arthur too.

01:09:55.260 That's like the most honest take I've ever saw someone on the contemporary left go on.

01:10:01.160 It lets you know what time it is.

01:10:02.720 Like you don't have to sit here and pretend anymore, right?

01:10:05.060 Yeah.

01:10:05.440 Yeah.

01:10:06.060 There it is in display.

01:10:08.340 All right.

01:10:08.540 It's like one of your memes that, you know, tap the sign, right?

01:10:11.440 Like it's, yeah.

01:10:12.720 So there you go.

01:10:14.320 All right, Gia.

01:10:14.880 Well, we're going to go to the questions of the people here in a second.

01:10:17.100 We got a few over there.

01:10:18.200 But before we do, can you let people know where to find your excellent work?

01:10:22.400 Yes.

01:10:22.800 I'm mostly known on Twitter, Giant Geo.

01:10:26.480 But my YouTube channel is General Productions.

01:10:28.600 My Telegram is General Productions.

01:10:30.560 I have my podcast, Content Minded.

01:10:33.220 Every Wednesday, well, not every Wednesday because I'm writing my book.

01:10:35.440 But I have my show with Prudentialist, Digital Archipelago, that is both on my channel,

01:10:39.980 Giant Geo Productions, and on his, The Prudentialist.

01:10:43.060 And other than that, you know, I'm trying to, I've been neglecting my artwork recently.

01:10:48.140 And hopefully I can get the book out by early next year with my publisher.

01:10:52.400 It's going to be called Neoliberal Kitsch.

01:10:55.740 What's the title?

01:10:57.400 Neoliberal Kitsch, Art in the 21st Century.

01:10:59.520 That's this very simple title.

01:11:00.840 So, yeah, that's a pretty good, you always have to have those subtitles now and you managed

01:11:05.920 to keep it into a few words.

01:11:07.220 That's good.

01:11:07.620 Usually they're like a whole paragraph.

01:11:09.840 And of course, if you go to my Patreon, patreon.com, so General Productions, you can either go there

01:11:14.860 or you can go to my sub stack.

01:11:16.960 You know, my sub stack is Geo's Content Corner.

01:11:20.040 Both episodes will be available.

01:11:22.040 Like the full episodes of all podcasts will be available.

01:11:24.820 I also do, when I have time, I do this review of different books and articles called Generate

01:11:30.100 Reviews.

01:11:31.200 So it starts at $5 a month, but of course on Patreon, you will get cool swag if you have

01:11:36.380 the $20 or $50 tiers, including artwork.

01:11:40.000 So, you know, go to patreon.com.se.

01:11:42.240 General Productions.

01:11:42.880 Please support the content renaissance.

01:11:45.040 And yeah, it's really great.

01:11:46.480 And I will, on my sub stack, I will, I'm aiming for the end of the week to have a quick

01:11:50.740 piece about this anonymity issue that people like, you know, Jordan Peterson and Richard

01:11:56.000 Hanania are going on about against the anonymous frogs. 0.99

01:11:59.520 So hopefully that'll be, you know, and this week's going to be great.

01:12:02.620 Like I say, you know, Digital Archipelago, we're going to cover a Spangler thread.

01:12:05.860 We're going to talk about science fiction.

01:12:07.700 Last week, we talked on my channel with Dave Martell of Biz Archives.

01:12:11.700 Really great conversation.

01:12:13.360 So giant, big content days all summer.

01:12:15.940 It's going to be amazing.

01:12:16.880 And also next week, I plan on releasing my episode with Spurgler Acolyte.

01:12:20.180 Speaking of Spangler, we talked, we talked for three hours about Decline of the West.

01:12:24.840 So that's going to be fun.

01:12:26.080 Look out for my channel next week.

01:12:28.180 Excellent.

01:12:28.740 Excellent.

01:12:29.100 Yes.

01:12:29.320 Make sure you check out all of Geo's excellent content.

01:12:31.860 Guys, let's go over to your questions.

01:12:34.540 And give Orin super chats, please.

01:12:36.360 Here comes the super chat.

01:12:37.280 We have time still.

01:12:38.120 All right.

01:12:38.740 Nick Cordylis.

01:12:41.760 I'm hoping I'm getting that right.

01:12:43.700 Thank you very much, sir.

01:12:45.200 Make Armenia major populated again.

01:12:47.480 Yeah, we didn't really talk about it, but awkward that.

01:12:50.180 That Chank, not a big fan of admitting the Armenian genocide and had an Armenian co-host and Anna Kasparian on. 0.99

01:12:57.600 Very, very strange interactions there.

01:13:01.180 Oh, yeah.

01:13:01.860 Mike Oxlong, 499.

01:13:03.900 Thank you very much, sir.

01:13:05.060 Good friend of mine.

01:13:06.240 I'm just amazed that she finally took the plunge and declared her undenying allegiance to the Fuhrer of mid-century Germany.

01:13:12.160 Oh, boy.

01:13:12.720 Very, very weird to see Anna Kasparian loading up those Roman salutes. 0.97

01:13:16.940 Did not expect that.

01:13:17.920 Yeah, no.

01:13:19.260 Amazing.

01:13:19.900 She threw up some Roman. 0.98

01:13:21.140 Yeah.

01:13:21.700 Yeah.

01:13:22.200 Hail her victory, right?

01:13:23.260 So there you go.

01:13:24.440 All jokes here, kids, for those who are unaware.

01:13:28.360 Yeah, we're just joking.

01:13:29.240 We don't want a lawsuit on our hands.

01:13:31.700 So, yeah.

01:13:32.580 Be clear.

01:13:33.180 These are jokes.

01:13:34.300 Life of Brian for 499.

01:13:36.600 The Young Turks has always been the most obvious bad faith actors on the internet left.

01:13:40.640 The one positive here is that the Young Turks thinks the right is the better grift. 0.50

01:13:46.480 Yeah, I mean.

01:13:47.780 Sorry, go ahead.

01:13:49.340 Well, I don't know about that one.

01:13:51.020 I mean, it's pretty.

01:13:52.060 It's tough out there.

01:13:53.180 It's tough.

01:13:53.760 There are people, I think, though.

01:13:55.340 One last point I should make is that there are people that are starting to say who are a bit more contrarian.

01:14:00.020 That the quote-unquote right-wing discourse, especially among the frogs, that it's being quote-unquote mainstream.

01:14:06.540 And therefore, they're going to get it on the grift game.

01:14:08.960 I don't see it anywhere apart from certain affectations of lifestyle choices.

01:14:13.820 Apart from that, I still think that this take that political right discourse is being more normalized.

01:14:20.300 In a certain sense, yes, because bigger voices are, as opposed to 10 years ago, starting to talk about things like immigration.

01:14:28.380 And, you know, the populations in European and North American countries.

01:14:32.420 But other than that, like, I mean, we still are largely marginalized.

01:14:36.160 I mean, I think, you know, I mean, as much as people like, you know, Tucker Carlson and The Blaze, they're doing better with a lot of issues.

01:14:42.300 The whole, like, analysis that there's going to be, like, pop right-wing discourse that's going to land you a solid punditry career.

01:14:50.240 You know, outside of, like, the most mainstream normie con, like, national reviews.

01:14:54.120 I don't even think it's more.

01:14:55.260 Is it even profitable to rate for national review anymore?

01:14:57.500 I don't even think so.

01:14:58.740 I don't know.

01:14:59.320 If it is, that's an amazing thing.

01:15:02.360 Yeah.

01:15:02.840 Yeah.

01:15:03.200 No, this whole analysis, I fundamentally disagree with.

01:15:06.320 Not because I'm preserving, like, the purity of this thing of ours.

01:15:10.280 But I'm just saying, like, it doesn't.

01:15:12.200 I mean, even though there's more people that are gravitating towards it, there's certainly more ex-leftists.

01:15:17.860 It's because, again, the left has gone insane.

01:15:20.800 So the insanity of the left will par with, like, you know, a lot of these, like, former centrist pundits being, like, you know, they're doing the Dave Rubin thing of, like, well, the left left me.

01:15:30.960 So there you go.

01:15:32.080 Yeah.

01:15:32.200 And then we have Seasider here.

01:15:35.080 I think just $5.

01:15:35.980 Thank you very much.

01:15:36.680 Appreciate that, sir.

01:15:37.580 No question there.

01:15:38.220 But I appreciate you super chatting there.

01:15:41.120 All right, guys.

01:15:41.600 I think we got through everything.

01:15:43.480 So we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

01:15:45.340 Of course, I want to thank Gio once again for coming on.

01:15:48.000 Please make sure to check out all his amazing stuff.

01:15:49.640 Thank you, guys.

01:15:50.160 No, absolutely.

01:15:51.100 Always a great talk.

01:15:52.200 Love having – I had people saying, oh, yo, the Last Things episode, Gio and Last Things, every time you have those two on, they just hit a home run.

01:16:00.040 So we'll have to put another one of those together as well.

01:16:03.300 But make sure you're checking out all of Gio's stuff.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 10, 2023

Is Ana Kasparian Red-Pilled？｜ Guest： Gio Pennacchietti ｜ 7⧸10⧸23

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 10, 2023

Is Ana Kasparian Red-Pilled？ ｜ Guest： Gio Pennacchietti ｜ 7⧸10⧸23

Episode Stats

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Is Ana Kasparian Red-Pilled？｜ Guest： Gio Pennacchietti ｜ 7⧸10⧸23