The Auron MacIntyre Show - December 20, 2024


Is Elon Musk the Co-President？ ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 12⧸20⧸24


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On today's show, host Oren Vranova is joined by podcaster and writer Jay Burton to discuss the latest in the ongoing saga of the ongoing government shutdown and the efforts of billionaire Elon Musk to get his voice heard in Congress.

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00:01:17.640 All right, so the Libs have lost their mind.
00:01:22.600 Even a lot of Republican congressmen have lost their minds because Elon Musk is using his platform
00:01:30.720 to kind of derail the pork process in Congress.
00:01:36.540 Legislators had been getting ready to pass this massive continuing resolution.
00:01:40.880 1,500-page bill did way more than just the continuing resolution, obviously, all kinds of funding, all kinds of pork.
00:01:49.460 And Elon Musk, who has been promising, along with Vivek Ramaswamy, to use the Doge department to cut all of this waste,
00:01:57.940 decided to take the hammer out early and used a social media campaign to bully these guys into changing what they were doing.
00:02:05.160 And now we're hearing all this about, you know, billionaires.
00:02:09.360 How can you believe billionaires impact Congress, impact legislation?
00:02:13.440 Never heard of this kind of thing before.
00:02:15.280 Wrong kind of billionaires, I guess, this time.
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00:02:36.800 We're going to talk about that as well.
00:02:38.780 Joining me to discuss both of these issues is a podcaster and writer.
00:02:43.700 Jay Burton, thanks for coming back on, man.
00:02:46.000 Yeah, thank you so much for having me on, Aaron.
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00:04:11.860 So, like I said, we had this large continuing resolution for people who don't know.
00:04:19.320 We don't really do the budget process properly because nothing about our government actually
00:04:23.140 works the way the Constitution intends.
00:04:25.440 And so we end up with a lot of these continuing resolutions that just kind of move spending
00:04:29.860 along for another three months or six months.
00:04:32.760 And in theory, a continuing resolution is just supposed to keep spending where it is.
00:04:38.620 It says, okay, we're going to do another year or another few months of this level of spending
00:04:43.240 until we do the real budget, which we rarely, if ever, actually get around to doing.
00:04:48.640 However, the way that this worked was that both Republicans and Democrats basically waited
00:04:54.240 to the last possible minute when there was only like two days left to actually get this done.
00:04:59.460 And then they decided to cram a massive amount of pork into this.
00:05:03.820 Again, 15,000 pages, way above all kinds of funding from, you know, rebuilding bridges
00:05:10.820 and school stadiums, you know, things that might sound important, like disaster relief to
00:05:15.980 things that are absolutely absurd, like funding, you know, college students in Egypt, more money
00:05:22.520 for Ukraine, all of this stuff smashed in there.
00:05:25.540 And we had Elon Musk recognize what was going on, said, this is insane.
00:05:31.840 You know, he and Donald Trump both getting on, Elon on Twitter, Trump on truth, Trump, just
00:05:35.980 back to Twitter, man.
00:05:37.500 Come on.
00:05:38.080 Who are we kidding at this point?
00:05:39.560 You're the president of the United States.
00:05:41.240 We don't need to do this anymore.
00:05:42.480 But anyway, you know, they're both on there wielding the power of social media and they start
00:05:48.800 hitting this really hard.
00:05:50.280 Elon gets to the point where he starts threatening to go after and primary any Republican who
00:05:56.980 is supporting this kind of thing.
00:05:59.280 And you see the panic in the eyes of the Republican caucus.
00:06:05.060 They recognize that this is becoming very unpopular.
00:06:08.600 And Mike Johnson kind of does a head fake and we get a better bill.
00:06:13.980 Still a lot of problems.
00:06:15.560 We'll get into that in a second.
00:06:17.020 But certainly better than the original.
00:06:19.160 And we see the left just lose their mind, right?
00:06:23.520 Like just absolutely move their line.
00:06:25.680 Democrats are saying, oh, we had a deal.
00:06:28.140 And then Elon Musk, this unelected billionaire, got in here and completely destroyed our plans.
00:06:33.580 Everything that we had agreed to.
00:06:35.380 The media is saying Elon is the virtual co-president.
00:06:38.920 This is just an oligarchy where the rich are in charge.
00:06:43.160 Jay Burton, is this the first time that rich people have affected policy in the United States
00:06:47.840 of America?
00:06:49.160 Well, it's certainly not the first time.
00:06:52.180 It's the first time in a long, long while that has made the liberal elite squeamish.
00:06:57.440 And let's be honest, that's what really matters.
00:07:00.080 What's interesting is this doesn't this isn't just happening in the U.S.
00:07:03.780 A similar fight has been brewing with Keir Starmer's U.K. government, right?
00:07:10.100 Musk has kind of sent invoice invoice to to the leader of the Reform Party, which is kind
00:07:17.280 of like a an alternative to the conservatives right to their right headed up by Nigel Farage.
00:07:23.400 And almost immediately, you have the whole U.K. press, the whole U.K. government coming
00:07:27.980 out and saying, you know, foreign billionaires can't buy our elections.
00:07:32.080 Now, obviously, those people didn't care when people like George Soros were doing the exact
00:07:36.360 same thing.
00:07:37.020 You know, that's no problem.
00:07:38.200 But when it's an enemy, it's a very real problem.
00:07:41.140 Similarly, in the U.S., right?
00:07:42.500 You have people like, you know, Mike Bloomberg, right, who was not particularly successful,
00:07:46.480 but he's been throwing a lot of money around.
00:07:49.380 I mean, really, you know, you could reach into a hat and pull out dozens of billionaires
00:07:54.620 who have thrown their weight around in order to get Democratic, you know, Democratic policy
00:08:00.120 objectives, you know, over the line.
00:08:02.660 Mark Zuckerberg famously buying large amounts of the electoral machinery and censoring his
00:08:08.600 Facebook platform specifically to do these things.
00:08:10.860 Yeah, you may remember someone with a memory more than two or three years long when Twitter
00:08:18.000 itself, right, was weighing in very heavily on elections.
00:08:22.660 And so to me, right, is this new?
00:08:26.900 Yes and no, right?
00:08:28.500 Obviously, rich men have always had power in politics.
00:08:32.300 But what is interesting is for the first time in a, I mean, really, as long as I can think,
00:08:36.500 someone who is at least in some way at odds with the deep state has an incredible amount
00:08:43.140 of money and power behind it.
00:08:45.380 And I think that's what makes, you know, the Musk-Trump relationship so interesting.
00:08:50.540 Yeah, obviously, the initial point was a joke.
00:08:55.340 It goes way back.
00:08:56.580 Like, you know, we have, you know, getting into the Spanish-American War, right?
00:09:00.120 Yellow journalism, you can just buy newspapers and use them to bully politicians through public
00:09:05.680 opinion into action.
00:09:07.220 The idea that this is some kind of unprecedented maneuver is just absolutely insane.
00:09:13.640 Like, of course, you have these billionaires who have wildly altered American politics.
00:09:19.640 Now, you can say that's a bad thing.
00:09:21.420 You can say that's a good thing.
00:09:23.220 You can say, well, it's neutral on both sides.
00:09:25.160 Do it.
00:09:25.820 But it's very obvious that this is not some unique situation that Elon Musk has not somehow
00:09:31.020 breached some norm that we've just never crossed before.
00:09:36.100 And the fact that the media is reacting in this way, like you said, really points to that
00:09:40.060 it's only about the target, right?
00:09:41.400 They've been using all – they've been very, very cozy with capital these last few years.
00:09:46.560 The left, which has spent all of its time railing about the injustices of, you know,
00:09:51.200 and the need for redistribution and how can people make obscene profits and all these
00:09:55.260 things, they didn't care for a very long time about that because a lot of capital was
00:10:00.580 going woke.
00:10:01.240 A lot of billionaires were on their side.
00:10:03.280 They had the Bezoses. 1.00
00:10:04.420 They had the Zuckerbergs.
00:10:05.960 They had the Soroses. 0.93
00:10:07.720 And you're right that Elon Musk's influence is not just felt here in the United States.
00:10:13.100 Like you said, we've got the UK where that's a big deal.
00:10:16.180 And then recently, Elon Musk just said that the AFD in Germany is the only party that
00:10:22.760 can save Germany from what is happening there right now.
00:10:26.560 Now, tragically, and we don't know too much right now, I'm going on kind of a three-day
00:10:31.640 rule on this before I kind of make any big announcements or, you know, do an episode on
00:10:37.460 it or anything.
00:10:37.860 But we just had a car drive into a crowd in a Christmas festival in Germany.
00:10:44.220 This sounds very familiar because it happens far too often.
00:10:48.920 It is a regular feature now of European life.
00:10:52.740 And, you know, we, again, we don't know anything, but from previous attacks and from just the
00:10:58.680 political realities in that area, it seems very likely that this was yet another attack
00:11:06.140 specifically targeting Christians and Christian cultures. 0.92
00:11:08.900 Often it has been done by Muslim extremists.
00:11:12.280 This is a scenario where Elon Musk mentions that the AFD, the right, the, a lot of people
00:11:18.580 call it the far right party, but it's just the only kind of right wing party in Germany
00:11:22.340 really, uh, which has, uh, you know, as the possible savior of that country.
00:11:27.740 And now we see this terror attack right after.
00:11:30.540 So this is a situation where Musk is obviously using a platform, not just his money, but more
00:11:37.060 importantly, the ability that he has to kind of move the public opinion through, uh, Twitter
00:11:42.560 and through his, you know, at least in the United States, his ability to threaten to
00:11:47.060 support, uh, you know, primary challenges in these different areas.
00:11:50.440 Musk is very obviously pushing against a lot of these left wing, uh, parties that were
00:11:56.560 really looking for censorship, especially, uh, this is very important to him.
00:12:00.560 So he's doing this internationally.
00:12:01.940 He has more power in the United States because he has a tighter relationship with Donald Trump
00:12:06.120 and the actors there.
00:12:07.140 And obviously he is a U S citizen, so much more power to wield in that area.
00:12:11.960 But you're right to say that this is something that he's doing across multiple, uh, different
00:12:16.500 countries.
00:12:16.880 And for pretty obvious reasons, when you see the disaster happening in Germany right 0.85
00:12:21.540 now.
00:12:24.440 Well, certainly, right.
00:12:25.860 You and I have spoken multiple times about one of the classic mistakes conservatives make,
00:12:32.340 right.
00:12:32.640 And that is to find an inconsistency, right.
00:12:36.260 Find something that isn't fair and point it out and say, ha ha, we win.
00:12:40.580 Well, the problem is right.
00:12:43.840 The left doesn't care what you think about them, right.
00:12:46.360 They care about winning.
00:12:47.840 And so in a case like this, is it true by the, the kind of like most liberal interpretation
00:12:53.740 that Elon Musk is turning his money into political power?
00:12:58.480 Yes.
00:12:58.840 A hundred percent.
00:12:59.560 That is completely true, but that's just simply how politics works, right?
00:13:05.980 You're never going to get rid of that.
00:13:07.660 Your only option is to throw away that mechanism and let your enemies use it, right.
00:13:13.980 Which isn't particularly helpful in actually getting what you want done.
00:13:16.960 I think your point about free speeches is an apt one, right?
00:13:20.560 Because we've seen this kind of like techno globalist style elite really fall in love with
00:13:25.380 censorship.
00:13:26.520 You know, when I was younger, I remember, you know, the era when, when WikiLeaks was, you
00:13:30.840 know, the voice of the people, you know, showing us the, the worst excesses of the George
00:13:34.960 Bush regime, but a few years pass, all of a sudden, Obama starts to get a little bit
00:13:39.840 squirrely, starts, you know, throwing some dissidents in jail, a few more years pass and
00:13:45.140 WikiLeaks isn't all of a sudden magically transformed into a, you know, an agent of the evil empire
00:13:50.840 of Russia, right?
00:13:52.420 That, that free speech that they used much like these billionaires, it was never a principle,
00:13:56.860 right?
00:13:57.460 It was simply a convenient tactic at the time.
00:13:59.560 And so when I look at someone like Musk, you know, he doesn't seem to me to be the
00:14:05.100 world's most canny political actor, right?
00:14:08.100 In some ways, he seems, you know, quite ideologically attached to kind of certain liberal beliefs,
00:14:13.960 one of which is, you know, belief in free speech.
00:14:16.680 And obviously that really helped Trump out in this election.
00:14:21.220 The way that news was expressed was much, much more on X because it was a free platform.
00:14:27.480 And certainly, right, like Trump was, was sort of buoyed into power by this like great
00:14:32.960 mimetic energy.
00:14:34.000 And yeah, sure.
00:14:34.720 That was fun.
00:14:35.680 And, you know, maybe you, you lost a couple of accounts, but all of a sudden, you know,
00:14:39.700 not only did Musk, you know, keep people from getting banned, but he paid people, you
00:14:46.000 know, with the monetization features on X and all of a sudden, right, when you have people
00:14:50.020 with dissident opinions, getting checks from Uncle Elon, even if they're small checks, well,
00:14:54.920 that's a significant sea change.
00:14:56.380 And so I think that really this is sort of a, it's a hopeful thing, right?
00:15:00.980 I'm not saying Musk agrees entirely with me or with you or, you know, any of our guys,
00:15:05.940 so to speak, but it's a major sea change in politics.
00:15:11.120 Now, one of the interesting things is, well, how does Trump react to this, right?
00:15:15.260 Because it's at least sort of mathematically possible for Trump to say, well, Elon, thanks
00:15:20.080 for getting me in office.
00:15:20.980 I'm not running again, see you later, right?
00:15:24.480 And just ignore everything he says, right?
00:15:27.340 Elon wasted his money, Trump coasted into office.
00:15:30.260 But I don't see that as being likely because, you know, say what you will about the man, Trump
00:15:35.320 has a very strong sense of both personal loyalty and personal betrayal.
00:15:40.020 And he's obviously an intelligent guy.
00:15:42.000 I think if we're recognizing that Elon Musk got him the election and by extension, kept
00:15:47.380 him out of jail, he's probably noticed that as well.
00:15:51.400 So I think one of the other interesting dynamics into this is all of a sudden there is a new
00:15:55.520 interest group in the Republican Party, Elon Musk and his friends.
00:15:59.800 And that means there's another group at the table for any sort of discussion.
00:16:03.160 And when we compare that to, shall we say, legacy interests in American right-wing politics,
00:16:09.680 right, there were sort of a very few number of interest groups and people like you and
00:16:15.120 I who have, shall we say, very conservative beliefs, we got left out in the cold.
00:16:20.100 Well, all of a sudden there's one more person, right?
00:16:23.420 There's one more person who is, again, not entirely our friend, but has been, you know, making
00:16:29.200 what I would consider positive statements about, you know, the human birth rate.
00:16:33.000 Musk recently came out and said, you know, I don't believe in God, but I do think that
00:16:36.580 Christianity is the right way to order a society.
00:16:38.720 And again, it's not the ultimate win, but it's sure a step towards it.
00:16:45.660 It is very strange that a guy, you know, again, both Trump and Elon are obviously not,
00:16:53.840 you know, the upstanding representation of kind of the Christian man, for sure.
00:17:00.740 Maybe Trump believes in God, I believe he does, but neither of these guys are going to be,
00:17:06.080 you know, deacons at the local church, let's put it that way, given kind of their track record.
00:17:11.920 However, both of these guys are doing more for Christians and conservatives than any of the
00:17:19.080 people who actually profess these beliefs, right?
00:17:21.380 We've had like Mitt Romney's and we've had, you know, Mike Pence's, guys who are supposed to have
00:17:28.280 the personal lives, are supposed to have the values that Christian conservatives put forward,
00:17:35.960 but they never did anything on them.
00:17:37.640 They sold these people out over and over again.
00:17:40.640 The support that was given to them because they profess these values and even live these lifestyles
00:17:45.640 in both those cases, for the most part, didn't ever translate into any wins, any political reality
00:17:52.820 for the right.
00:17:54.880 And now you have two guys who are very far away from those lifestyles and the, you know,
00:17:59.880 kind of living through that belief set.
00:18:01.820 But the fact, the simple fact that they acknowledge that these are the right ways to do things,
00:18:07.180 this is the right way to live, this is the right way to order society,
00:18:09.560 and they're actually willing to use some kind of power, they actually prioritize that over
00:18:15.080 a war in Ukraine or something, means that they are securing more victories for the people
00:18:21.180 who believe those things and want to live their lives that way than the people who necessarily
00:18:25.760 were theoretically closer to that in their actual lived experience.
00:18:30.340 And I think it's really important also that Elon is using a very particular dynamic, right?
00:18:38.300 Oswald Spengler talks a lot about money power and how in a democracy, money power is really
00:18:45.520 what's going to matter.
00:18:46.600 And that kind of late civilization, it is culture and money power that actually drive these things
00:18:52.360 and in the late civilizational phase.
00:18:55.600 And we're seeing this in the kind of showdown of the billionaires, right?
00:19:01.160 We have one billionaire, Trump, and we have a much larger billionaire, Elon, and the large
00:19:07.960 network of people, the PayPal mafia, as Kingpild has described them when he came on the show,
00:19:13.860 this kind of large group of Silicon Valley billionaires.
00:19:17.940 And they are wielding large amounts of power, obviously, through that money.
00:19:23.580 So the question is not, will we have billionaires in power, right?
00:19:27.440 It's which billionaires will we have in power?
00:19:30.820 And the way that Elon is wielding that power is particularly interesting because again, nothing
00:19:37.240 new about money in politics, especially democracy, late stage democracy.
00:19:42.480 However, he is using his platform to get to the people.
00:19:47.580 Well, many of his posts after this bill were defeated were about, you know, your voice has
00:19:53.400 been heard.
00:19:54.040 Your voice is the voice of God.
00:19:55.520 This is a victory for the people.
00:19:57.240 He is in many ways using, presenting himself as a Caesar, right?
00:20:02.760 A Caesar figure is one that calls on the power of the people to defeat the oligarchic class.
00:20:09.380 So even though he himself would be labeled accurately, I believe, as an oligarch, he is using kind
00:20:16.840 of the Caesarean tactics that are supposed to come at the late stage of this cycle of civilization,
00:20:23.020 but he's using them with money instead of, you know, he's not, he's not getting his own army.
00:20:27.680 He's not leading a revolution against the money elites in that sense, but he is using the tools
00:20:32.820 of the new age, social media, these things in a very Caesar-like manner.
00:20:37.320 However, I mean, he's kind of co-consul, right?
00:20:39.920 That's kind of the question of the stream.
00:20:41.660 Is he the co-president?
00:20:42.880 In a way, it feels a little bit like he has this kind of co-consul status, but he's doing it
00:20:48.640 like outside and using this very Caesarean tactic to use the power of the people and the
00:20:54.500 power of this technology.
00:20:56.060 I mean, we wouldn't know what was in the bill if AI didn't exist, right?
00:20:59.900 This was one of the huge problems with spending bills previous to this.
00:21:04.280 These massive bills, no one could read them.
00:21:07.160 Reporters don't do their job, obviously, and none of these watchdog organizations have
00:21:10.740 enough staffers, you know, to go through this kind of bill.
00:21:13.320 I mean, the legislators don't know what's in the bill the vast majority of the time, but
00:21:17.240 with AI, you can find out in a very short amount of time what's actually in there.
00:21:21.320 And so he's using all these different tools and this leverage with the people to create a
00:21:25.500 very different dynamic that existed before Trump was in office.
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00:22:01.820 No, 100%.
00:22:03.340 And I think your point about the different eras of civilization, the stages in its cycle
00:22:10.300 is quite apt, right?
00:22:11.760 Because, you know, people with a more reactionary bent have a longing for these kind of earlier,
00:22:18.580 one might say, healthier stages of civilization.
00:22:21.000 The problem is, right, you are a product of your times.
00:22:26.000 You couldn't, you can't really force yourself to think, you know, like a medieval, right?
00:22:31.040 You can try, you can certainly glean things from them, but fundamentally, that is a different
00:22:35.020 mental prism, different way to view the world.
00:22:38.300 You know, similarly, right, there's a lot of talk about, you know, Caesarism.
00:22:42.400 And I understand the point, right?
00:22:44.280 You know, that this is the kind of civilizational, you know, winter, right?
00:22:47.400 Some might say, but also with comes that, right, we shouldn't necessarily assume that
00:22:52.160 a Caesar will be like, you know, the guy named Julius, right?
00:22:55.960 We live in fundamentally a different time.
00:22:58.680 And so, you know, if you look at the original triumvirate, obviously, all three men had different
00:23:03.160 backgrounds, but fundamentally, what were they?
00:23:06.380 They were generals, right?
00:23:07.760 That was the way you acued social standing in, you know, the empire, right?
00:23:12.940 I guess it wasn't the empire then, but you know what I mean, right?
00:23:14.640 In Roman society, whereas now, right, there's a lot less prestige attached to, one, government
00:23:20.980 at all, and two, the military.
00:23:23.480 So if you're one of these truly exceptional individuals, right?
00:23:26.500 If you're one of these, you know, top 0.001% who are the kind of like ultra elite, where
00:23:32.560 you go, you don't go into the military.
00:23:35.300 I'm sorry, obviously, there are some who do, but if you do go into the military, you're probably
00:23:39.440 not going to make it to a general for, you know, any number of policy reasons.
00:23:42.760 But you go to Silicon Valley, right?
00:23:45.680 That is where our elite goes.
00:23:47.560 You know, even before that, right, you have someone like Donald Trump, you become, you
00:23:51.580 know, a real estate billionaire.
00:23:53.020 And so, again, it's no shock that these sort of people are forming our sort of new triumvirate,
00:23:59.300 if you will.
00:23:59.700 I realize it's a triumvirate with only two people.
00:24:01.700 I understand what that word means.
00:24:03.020 But, you know, for the sake of discussion, right, if we're talking back to Caesar.
00:24:06.680 Anyway, do you see what I'm getting at there, Aaron?
00:24:07.920 Yeah, no, absolutely.
00:24:09.740 It is the, again, the power of our time.
00:24:12.440 If you were going to concentrate power, in what form would you concentrate it in previous
00:24:17.380 areas or eras?
00:24:19.040 It would have been in a military form.
00:24:21.440 That's how you get the prestige.
00:24:23.000 That's how you get the glory.
00:24:24.680 Today, it really is fundamentally not just money, though money is obviously clearly important,
00:24:30.200 but tech, right?
00:24:31.100 The ability in the age of the mass man, the ability to activate the mass man is what matters.
00:24:36.620 So propaganda, you know, the fact that Trump is not just a billionaire, right?
00:24:42.220 He's not just a real estate tycoon.
00:24:44.760 He's a reality TV star.
00:24:46.560 He knows how to brand.
00:24:47.960 He knows how to talk to the masses.
00:24:50.220 He knows how to change public opinion and change perception of himself and others.
00:24:56.220 His most powerful ability is his ability to steal a news cycle, right?
00:25:00.700 That's what really disrupted the media, the establishment in his first presidency, was his
00:25:07.160 ability to change a news cycle in the way that no Republican president previously had
00:25:12.100 ever done.
00:25:13.000 And so both of these men are not just wielding money, though they are absolutely wielding
00:25:17.540 money, but they're wielding technology.
00:25:19.660 They're wielding a public opinion.
00:25:21.640 They know how to manipulate it in a way that just did not exist previously.
00:25:25.040 And these become the most important assets in a way that, you know, military might and
00:25:30.640 prowess would have been previously.
00:25:32.800 It's great to have a legion, but in kind of the modern world, you can summon a legion when
00:25:38.500 you have a social media platform or when you have, you know, a Q rating that's as high as
00:25:43.700 Trump's, like these are very different skill sets, but they still have the same political
00:25:48.560 impact because they are the things that our society has organized itself around in prestige.
00:25:53.520 You might say, well, that's not great.
00:25:54.880 That's got its own problems.
00:25:56.160 That's fine.
00:25:56.700 But like you point out, everyone is a product of their age.
00:25:59.800 Children of late winter, as academic agent is fond of saying, cannot be the children of
00:26:04.620 spring.
00:26:05.440 And so in this moment, these are the skill sets that truly drive power in the United States.
00:26:11.280 And it's no mistake that one man formally elected into the government, one man outside of
00:26:17.320 it able to act with the power of somebody who has that kind of platform at his beck and
00:26:22.000 call these really create a team that allows you to, again, see instantly what's going
00:26:28.120 on.
00:26:28.500 Like I said, AI allowed them to go through this bill much faster than would have been
00:26:32.140 previously.
00:26:33.080 And of course, there's all kinds of payouts.
00:26:34.920 There's all kinds of pork. 0.92
00:26:36.340 The original bill was just filled with all kinds of ridiculous stuff.
00:26:40.380 And importantly, the one that really got people, the thing that I've even seen a lot
00:26:43.920 of leftists super angry about is that it had a raise for Congress in it.
00:26:48.300 It had representatives getting a raise in the bill.
00:26:51.700 A lot of them, you saw guys like Dan Crenshaw saying, oh, well, we deserve it.
00:26:56.060 You know, housing is expensive in Washington, D.C.
00:26:58.820 The guy's a millionaire now because of his stock trading.
00:27:02.500 But watching these rich, powerful people complain about housing prices and how much they need to
00:27:10.540 get a raise inside of, you know, sneak that into this continuing resolution while there's a housing
00:27:17.860 crisis in the United States, while people cannot afford houses as it is right now, was just too
00:27:26.140 rich for so many people.
00:27:27.660 You know, watching these people who are doing nothing to help the average guy who cannot afford
00:27:32.880 a home, people in their 20s, even their 30s, desperately trying to buy their first home, can't
00:27:38.700 get it done.
00:27:39.540 But oh, poor Congress, they can't afford their second house in Washington, D.C. 1.00
00:27:43.500 because their pay is too low.
00:27:45.400 This is this is just kind of the tone deaf.
00:27:47.840 I mean, Dan Crenshaw completely went nuts.
00:27:50.000 He he went off the handle.
00:27:51.440 He started screaming at the cat turd guy on Twitter.
00:27:55.160 I mean, just just lost his mind over this really unmasking how deranged these people are and
00:28:00.920 how little they care.
00:28:02.380 And they're willing to tie all this stuff to funding for the military and cancer research
00:28:06.920 and say, oh, you don't want to fund cancer research.
00:28:09.280 You don't want to fund the troops.
00:28:10.720 Well, no, you know, you're you're obviously tying this together.
00:28:13.700 You're holding this hostage so you can get a raise.
00:28:16.340 It's insane.
00:28:19.100 Well, definitely.
00:28:19.900 It is honestly amazing, you know, being a guy in the military for, you know, a number
00:28:27.640 of years, you can just show up to Washington and, you know, become an incredibly gifted
00:28:31.680 stock trader.
00:28:33.040 I mean, who would have guessed, right?
00:28:35.360 So I will say.
00:28:36.240 What a strange skill to acquire the minute you become elected.
00:28:39.000 It's amazing, right?
00:28:40.480 You'd figure if that's all it took, more of these combat vets would be, you know.
00:28:43.980 Well, that's, you know, they teach you that in SEAL training, you know, like.
00:28:46.680 Oh, of course.
00:28:47.500 Right.
00:28:47.660 You go through the hell week and then at the end, they're like, by the way, this is
00:28:51.680 how you manage a stock portfolio.
00:28:53.820 Yeah.
00:28:54.100 Step one is how to clear a room.
00:28:55.700 Step two is to, you know, how to how to massively outperform the S&P 500.
00:28:59.920 Right.
00:29:00.100 How to pick the right defense contractors.
00:29:02.400 Yeah.
00:29:03.080 But in all seriousness, I want to go back just a step to talk about what you said about,
00:29:08.100 you know, the incredible technical skill of these men.
00:29:11.320 Right.
00:29:11.500 You know, I mentioned earlier that the, you know, that, you know, Caesar, obviously, and then
00:29:16.580 also the men around him were, were generals.
00:29:19.100 And, you know, obviously that's a very kinetic form of warfare.
00:29:22.080 But if you ever heard of, you know, fifth generation warfare, which is this idea of, you
00:29:26.460 know, battles fought, not physically, but in the kind of mimetic sphere, right?
00:29:31.160 This is where terms that you've probably heard from your, you know, lefty friends and family,
00:29:35.100 like disinformation and misinformation come from.
00:29:37.740 And, you know, while those terms are certainly abused, there is something to be said that,
00:29:41.840 you know, we live in a mimetic age.
00:29:44.300 We live in an age of narratives and ideas.
00:29:47.140 And so the people who are able to, you know, command those are very close to, you know,
00:29:53.360 generals of, you know, fifth generation warfare.
00:29:56.220 It's an interesting idea.
00:29:57.460 No, it's a good way to put it.
00:30:00.300 When the battlefield fundamentally changes, when something radically changes the way in
00:30:06.200 which all kinds of combat are done, then you're going to see this kind of shift.
00:30:11.060 Obviously, there are still real wars taking place.
00:30:14.760 But even if you look at the Russian-Ukraine war happening, it was so, it's still to this 0.98
00:30:19.960 day almost impossible to get like a straight answer of who's winning that war, what is happening.
00:30:25.380 Obviously, at this point, it's Russia, but for a very long time, it was almost impossible
00:30:29.140 to get kind of any real grasp of the conditions on the ground because the propaganda coming
00:30:35.000 out of both sides was just insane, right?
00:30:37.680 There was no way to really gather what was happening.
00:30:41.720 And, you know, you take that principle and you bring it into kind of, you know, the non-active
00:30:47.600 combat situation where we are constantly in this disintermediated space because the media
00:30:54.400 stranglehold has been broken and you're not sure who to believe and what to do.
00:30:58.760 Well, then you've got a guy like Musk.
00:31:00.420 He gets the platform.
00:31:01.360 He opens it up and he has a clear voice.
00:31:03.540 He's able to cut through much of this, cut through the media.
00:31:06.900 Obviously, Donald Trump and his ability to make an in-run around the media.
00:31:10.680 These are generals with very different tactics and they are able to make a very substantive
00:31:16.100 change in the way that politics operates.
00:31:18.560 Now, interestingly, I don't want to get into the nitty gritty of the bills.
00:31:22.980 Obviously, people are going to, there are people who are much better at that.
00:31:26.460 But an interesting thing that has changed in this new bill, the new bill is much shorter.
00:31:30.660 It's 115 pages instead of 1,500 pages.
00:31:34.780 It keeps some of the biggest spending, but those were the things that people were most worried
00:31:39.500 about.
00:31:39.900 Again, the disaster relief and the farm bill, these kind of things.
00:31:43.840 But the thing that they've added is the debt ceiling.
00:31:47.820 This is the big controversial change.
00:31:49.960 They want to increase the debt ceiling or you'll waive it off for two years.
00:31:55.580 And I think Trump's even talking about longer, but at least two years.
00:31:59.740 Now, on one hand, this basically takes it off the table for Trump.
00:32:04.740 He doesn't have to worry about it.
00:32:05.980 It doesn't become a constant hindrance to him, especially because Trump has never been a
00:32:10.200 deficit hawk.
00:32:10.920 That's never been his main focus.
00:32:14.240 And so that's kind of, you know, maybe he wants to build walls.
00:32:18.040 Maybe he wants to invest in infrastructure.
00:32:21.360 He's not a guy who's necessarily adverse to spending in principle.
00:32:24.360 The fiscal conservative is mainly comes in, you know, not starting a new war, those kind
00:32:29.240 of things.
00:32:29.560 But he doesn't have a principal problem in spending money on the country itself.
00:32:34.440 On the other hand, these are people who have been complaining about inflation, right?
00:32:39.520 The inflation is out of control.
00:32:41.860 Part of the housing problem is the inflationary bubble that is occurring.
00:32:47.640 And so if you're going to take the debt ceiling off the table for a few years, you're pretty
00:32:51.120 much going to guarantee an increase in inflation.
00:32:54.200 That's going to be good for the paper economy.
00:32:57.480 That's going to be good for the mystical GDP Wall Street economy.
00:33:01.680 But it's not going to help the average American.
00:33:04.200 And so there's an interesting scenario there where, you know, it does give Trump a kind
00:33:09.300 of breathing room to do certain things.
00:33:12.040 But, you know, realistically, it's not exactly the fiscal scenario that he promised.
00:33:17.560 That's 100% true.
00:33:20.980 I mean, obviously, there are a certain number of things that, you know, I quite agree with
00:33:26.500 Trump on.
00:33:27.000 I think he's definitely better than, you know, any reasonable alternative we could be expected.
00:33:31.260 But let's be honest, right?
00:33:33.540 Trump is not a conservative in any meaningful way, right?
00:33:37.640 You mentioned the fact that he's, you know, unlikely to be particularly religious.
00:33:41.580 Interesting detail.
00:33:42.420 It turns out Trump is actually the only, only the second president ever in history to change
00:33:47.960 his religious denomination.
00:33:50.840 He, he kicked himself out of the Presbyterian church, USA, which I think both of them were
00:33:56.700 probably happy about.
00:33:58.060 There's a mutual divorce there.
00:33:59.840 Yeah, yeah.
00:34:00.480 One of many Trump has had.
00:34:01.620 Yeah, exactly.
00:34:03.760 Not Trump's first divorce.
00:34:05.520 But, right, we have to accept that, you know, fundamentally, we were not given, you know,
00:34:10.460 a perfect option, right?
00:34:12.080 You know, you and I can, can hypothesize about the, you know, the very real damage that Trump's
00:34:16.260 spending policy will, will have, you know, that's, that's likely to be true.
00:34:19.160 Although I'll be perfectly honest, I know next to nothing about the economy.
00:34:22.620 So who knows?
00:34:23.660 But at the same time, right, we've got to grade it on the scale of what else could have
00:34:28.780 happened.
00:34:29.760 And I cannot imagine a world in which, you know, President Kamala Harris, you know, heaven
00:34:35.840 forbid it, where she would have been more fiscally responsible. 0.97
00:34:39.460 And that doesn't mean that you let him off the hook.
00:34:41.000 It doesn't mean that you get the Republicans everything.
00:34:43.660 But again, right, we were presented a binary, right?
00:34:46.540 We had two choices.
00:34:48.360 And given that choice, it was better.
00:34:51.760 Yeah, I saw, I saw Steve Dace make the point on Twitter that, you know, the debt ceiling
00:35:01.540 is very much a mirage.
00:35:03.660 This is something that gets raised all the time.
00:35:06.240 Republicans vote for it all the time.
00:35:08.460 That doesn't make it a good thing.
00:35:09.920 But, you know, that is a momentum that there's a gradient to American politics that for better
00:35:15.820 or worse, this is an inevitability to some degree.
00:35:19.840 There are things that I want to fix.
00:35:22.240 The economy is absolutely one of them.
00:35:24.840 But it is not my first priority.
00:35:26.740 My first priority is the border.
00:35:28.440 My second priority is ending foreign wars, right? 1.00
00:35:31.980 These are the things I want to see done.
00:35:33.820 I know that Trump is much better on these issues, right?
00:35:38.880 He's not going to be perfect, but he's going to be vastly better.
00:35:42.160 If there's one thing we've seen consistently promised, even up into this point from Trump,
00:35:47.520 and he's not really known for his consistency, the one thing he has promised is mass deportations.
00:35:52.260 Now, again, Trump has failed before.
00:35:54.320 I'm not saying that, you know, this is going to be 100% happening.
00:35:57.340 But it is far more likely under him than it would have been under Kamala Harris or, let's
00:36:02.100 be honest, pretty much any Republican either, any other Republican.
00:36:06.340 And so this is a scenario where, you know, would I like to see spending curtailed?
00:36:11.180 Would I like to see a better fiscal policy?
00:36:13.620 Would I like to see inflation brought under control?
00:36:16.140 Absolutely.
00:36:17.300 But is it my top priority if he's making room space to maneuver on those other issues by
00:36:22.800 putting that one on the burner?
00:36:24.680 Then I'm willing to give him some space.
00:36:26.860 This doesn't mean I don't say criticize him.
00:36:29.400 This doesn't mean I don't say call out when something's wrong.
00:36:32.320 I'm not saying you can't disagree with Donald Trump or point out when he fails or any of
00:36:35.780 these things.
00:36:36.280 I'm not the guy who says you've got to just, you know, put your blinders on and, you know,
00:36:40.480 cheer for Trump and every single maneuver.
00:36:42.260 But I am saying I'm not going to stand here and pretend like he's going to be worse than
00:36:50.240 the other options.
00:36:51.160 And I'm also not going to assume that every time he doesn't do exactly what some portion
00:36:57.420 of the conservative movement wants him to do, that means that he's just betrayed us and
00:37:01.720 it's all over and we should have gone, you know, somewhere else.
00:37:05.100 That just doesn't make sense to me.
00:37:06.820 So I would have preferred to see an actual clean continuing resolution brought about.
00:37:13.680 You know, the real true clean CR seems like it's going to be a myth.
00:37:18.900 We're not going to see that.
00:37:20.240 But the way legislation is supposed to get done in the United States is you pass a bill
00:37:24.980 and then you pass the next bill.
00:37:28.060 You don't you don't make the omnibus and hold everybody spending hostage and say either
00:37:32.860 you, you know, fund my DEI zoo or my, you know, education for seven year olds in, you know,
00:37:41.380 the all the possible gender options or, you know, you're you're stopping the troops like
00:37:47.180 that you're you're starving the troops and denying disaster relief and cancer research
00:37:51.140 like these things should not be bundled together.
00:37:54.040 But obviously, that's probably not going to change overnight.
00:37:57.700 Should it be a goal?
00:37:58.760 Yes.
00:37:59.320 Would that be great?
00:38:00.120 Yes.
00:38:00.380 But, you know, this is not the show in which I'm going to sell you the political illusion
00:38:04.980 that, like, we're suddenly going to make the Constitution work exactly the way it was
00:38:08.900 intended.
00:38:09.320 Like, that's that's just probably not going to happen in one fell swoop here.
00:38:13.620 Well, exactly right.
00:38:15.000 And you and I are completely aligned, right?
00:38:17.640 I'm not a hardcore MAGA guy.
00:38:19.820 You know, I'm not anticipating Trump fixes everything.
00:38:23.280 And a big part of the reason for that is, look, you know, like everything else, politics is
00:38:28.500 a game of limited resources.
00:38:30.460 You can't do everything.
00:38:32.180 There is scarcity, at least in the case of the U.S. government.
00:38:34.660 There seems to be no scarcity for just inventing money out of nowhere.
00:38:38.220 But there is another currency that's limited.
00:38:40.180 And that's that's political capital.
00:38:41.900 Right.
00:38:42.280 You can't make everyone do everything all the time.
00:38:45.900 Right.
00:38:46.140 Even dictators, Stalin, weren't able to do this.
00:38:49.280 You have to pick your battles.
00:38:50.180 And so if you look at, well, OK, what was Trump's mandate?
00:38:54.000 Why did people put him in office?
00:38:56.020 Well, I mean, certainly there was a part of it that people were really, really sick of
00:38:59.740 living under Joe Biden.
00:39:01.080 Fair enough.
00:39:01.440 But if you look at his top line issues.
00:39:04.180 Right.
00:39:04.320 It was the border.
00:39:05.820 As you mentioned, it was getting out of foreign conflicts like Ukraine and then also safety
00:39:11.740 and security.
00:39:12.880 Right.
00:39:12.980 Crime is, despite what you may read in certain sources, way, way up.
00:39:17.560 Right.
00:39:17.980 Some of this has to do with the open border.
00:39:20.320 Some of it doesn't.
00:39:21.480 And so when you look at like, OK, what are your priorities?
00:39:23.940 Right.
00:39:24.100 If you have a limited supply of political capital, where do you use it on?
00:39:28.760 Well, those are much higher up the list than fiscal conservatism.
00:39:32.940 Not only for any Republican in the same situation, one would hope, but also Trump in particular.
00:39:40.280 Right.
00:39:40.420 This has never been an issue he's particularly cared about.
00:39:43.480 You know, he's really not, like I said, much of a conservative at all.
00:39:47.200 But what he does have that's different from other Republicans is, like I said earlier,
00:39:52.280 he has a strong sense of, you know, personal loyalty and betrayal.
00:39:57.060 And obviously he's had his failings.
00:39:59.320 Right.
00:40:00.180 He, you know, left the Jan 6 guys out to dry. 0.97
00:40:03.500 Although who knows?
00:40:04.320 He may make that right.
00:40:05.160 But, you know, the reason people like him is because they see him as representing them.
00:40:11.380 Right.
00:40:11.860 Like he said multiple times, the reason they're coming after me is because I represent you.
00:40:16.620 And I think that, you know, if you look at his base, certainly there will be people who are fired up about this.
00:40:22.500 But I'd imagine not as much as they're fired up about, you know, the border or the kind of very real security threats Americans are facing.
00:40:30.080 Yeah, and it's not like these things aren't related, right?
00:40:33.920 If you close the border, then you can actually get your fiscal house in order because you don't have tens of millions of people who aren't supposed to be here,
00:40:42.220 who are on all kinds of programs, who are messing with your health care system, your education system, stressing your infrastructure.
00:40:50.800 You know, there's a large amount of savings to be had there.
00:40:53.880 The same is true when it comes to foreign policy, right?
00:40:56.300 If you're not constantly involving yourself in foreign conflicts, the amount of money that you can save there is astronomical.
00:41:02.740 So it's not like these things are untied.
00:41:04.320 I mean, how many hundreds of billions of dollars have we sent to Ukraine at this point, right?
00:41:08.220 Just ending that is a fiscal conservative issue.
00:41:11.860 It's tied to it as well.
00:41:13.100 So it's not like you can't have both of these things to some degree, but you might not be putting the debt ceiling as your highest priority.
00:41:20.100 There might be other issues.
00:41:21.540 Again, that doesn't mean that ultimately the goal shouldn't be to fix these things.
00:41:26.480 But, you know, working your way down the order of operations, like you said, you know, safety, border, you know, foreign conflict.
00:41:33.140 These are the things that matter much more to the people of the United States.
00:41:37.660 Fixing those to the degree that you can also has a high impact on the economy and on the debt.
00:41:43.640 And that's great.
00:41:44.620 But people want to see that stuff fixed first.
00:41:46.620 And so that it makes more sense to save your political capital and focus it there.
00:41:51.000 Also, just the amount of, you know, influence that is tied up in those things is so high.
00:41:57.160 You know, being able to cut those gives you more power to then wield in other areas, right?
00:42:01.500 Once you win victories in those areas, the momentum that you have, the amount of power that you wrangle back makes a significant difference.
00:42:08.480 The other thing that we wanted to talk about today was the instance of satanic altars in these different state houses.
00:42:18.420 Obviously, I believe it was last year.
00:42:20.900 It's already been a year.
00:42:22.380 We had the one in Iowa and the great heroic Michael Cassidy, who may or may not deserve a statue,
00:42:30.820 was, you know, able to, you know, physically remove that blasphemy from his state capital. 0.91
00:42:40.040 And this year we had one in New Hampshire, which was erected and then mysteriously knocked down.
00:42:48.200 I can speak to the whereabouts of Michael Cassidy if necessary, you know.
00:42:51.680 And then it was put back up by, you know, these LARPing, Atheist, Satan, Worshipping, whatever, guys.
00:42:59.920 And then it was taken back.
00:43:01.140 It was knocked back down again, right?
00:43:02.560 So it got physically removed twice.
00:43:06.080 In Minnesota, it didn't need to be demolished.
00:43:08.600 One was erected, but then, you know, was eventually removed.
00:43:11.420 The government said it had to be taken down.
00:43:13.460 So it's interesting.
00:43:14.320 Last year, like, this was a big talking point, especially American conservatives.
00:43:18.760 You know, the fact that someone had knocked down this satanic display in the state house.
00:43:26.580 A lot of conservative commentators were like, oh, this is a disruption of law and order.
00:43:30.200 This is reckless.
00:43:31.480 You know, this is vigilante justice.
00:43:33.040 These kind of things.
00:43:33.640 It was a huge blow up and debate across the thing.
00:43:36.100 This time, you know, this altar gets taken out twice in New Hampshire.
00:43:41.320 And basically, we've heard nothing, right?
00:43:43.500 It hasn't been a big news item.
00:43:45.360 Conservative commentary.
00:43:46.400 It hasn't been railing against it.
00:43:47.740 But, you know, what's your take on this?
00:43:51.120 So, yeah, I want to dispute what you said.
00:43:53.640 This is not vigilante action.
00:43:55.440 It's community policing.
00:43:57.020 Oh, no, I'm with you.
00:43:58.240 I was saying this is what other commentators, 100%.
00:44:01.140 And I've been reliably informed.
00:44:04.200 If you call it community policing, it's completely okay, right?
00:44:08.360 But in all seriousness, right, this is actually an interesting front in the culture war.
00:44:12.880 Because this hasn't been getting a lot of play, but there's been a tit for tat going on, right?
00:44:17.980 You had a small town in Texas where a group of Satanists got together and lobbied the government to get rid of a nativity scene set out in front of the courthouse.
00:44:27.800 Now, they were shot down, right?
00:44:29.860 There seems to be sort of a concerted push by Satanists.
00:44:34.600 And I don't mean this in an Alex Jones way.
00:44:36.640 I mean very, very cringe Redditors who have started the Temple of Satan, not the Church of Satan.
00:44:43.980 I assume there's a difference.
00:44:44.940 But they seem to be basically making a push to make life difficult for Christians, right? 0.92
00:44:52.040 You may have read about this so-called H.A.L.E. program, right, which is a program launched in Ohio schools to basically say, well, if Christians can offer sort of Sunday school programs or after school church programs, then so can we, right?
00:45:03.960 And that really kind of shows an interesting part, both about the psychology of Satanists, but also the left writ large, because these groups of Satanists don't tend to be what they call like religious Satanists.
00:45:17.060 Now, admittedly, even an ironic Satanist is ultimately serving his ends.
00:45:21.800 I understand.
00:45:22.140 Absolutely.
00:45:22.480 There is no ironic Satanism.
00:45:24.100 Yeah, exactly.
00:45:25.260 But they view themselves as basically turbo atheists, right?
00:45:29.360 Their whole existence is centered around making their parents mad, right?
00:45:35.160 My dad made me wake up and go to church every Sunday morning, so I'm going to be everything he hates.
00:45:40.320 But there's this desire to take anything that is kind of good and wholesome and connected with either conservative America or the church and to denigrate it in any way possible.
00:45:50.380 And this is something we've seen the left do over and over and over again, right?
00:45:54.540 It's not enough for them to win.
00:45:56.160 They have to ruin what you have, ruin what you like.
00:45:59.620 You may remember, right, when the statue of Robert E. Lee from Richmond was melted down, or Charlottesville, right?
00:46:04.980 They cut off its face.
00:46:06.060 They ritually scarred it.
00:46:07.500 They made a big photo.
00:46:08.460 They made a press release out of it.
00:46:09.960 And that's because, which, interestingly enough, is a very satanic way to view the world, right?
00:46:14.880 That in order for them to win, you have to lose.
00:46:18.440 And it really is just kind of a whole worldview centered on negation and destruction.
00:46:23.520 Even look at these satanic displays, right?
00:46:27.180 Did they invent their own holiday for Satan?
00:46:30.200 Of course not, right?
00:46:31.780 They want Christians to be upset on Christmas. 0.71
00:46:35.040 That's what makes them win, right?
00:46:36.260 To take what is, you know, by all accounts, right, the second holiest day of the year and put a symbol of everything that is antithetical to Christ and to Christians on it. 0.97
00:46:45.340 And I think that that attitude of, you know, just kind of like wanton destruction is one you can see in many places as well.
00:46:53.240 Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
00:46:56.340 You know, this is obviously something that is, there's no sincere religious belief there.
00:47:01.280 This is just a hack in, you know, in kind of the current interpretation of the legal code to kind of spit in the eye of Christians. 0.51
00:47:12.780 They want to insult them, you know, this kind of thing.
00:47:16.240 And, you know, I think it's really important for Christians to recognize and for the larger populace to recognize that, of course, this is never what the founders met by, you know, freedom of religion.
00:47:28.780 The idea of, if you had told anyone who was framing the Constitution that ultimately the First Amendment would be interpreted for the, you know, satanic altars to be built on Christmas inside the houses of the state, they would have probably physically removed you from the situation.
00:47:51.100 And this is not something that was ever intended.
00:47:53.680 And we need to recognize, and, you know, I think more and more people are waking up to this, that there has to be the understanding that America is a Christian nation and that Christianity needs to be granted preference.
00:48:06.320 That doesn't mean that you can't have alternate religions, you know, practiced in, you know, their private places of worship.
00:48:13.380 But in the public square, America is a Christian nation, and we should not be allowing interpretations of our protections that disabuse us of that notion, that allow for some kind of legal exploit to insult the vast majority of the country.
00:48:28.720 While, you know, Christian observance has gone down, you know, religious observance in general has gone down, and specifically Christian observance in the United States, the United States is still a much more Christian country than pretty much all other advanced First World countries are.
00:48:45.520 The overwhelming majority of Americans identify as Christian in some capacity, even if they aren't regularly attending church.
00:48:55.380 And so there's really no reason not to acknowledge that in our culture and in the way that we conduct ourselves.
00:49:01.500 Again, that doesn't mean you have to, you know, force down onto everyone public affirmations of Christ as king, though he absolutely is.
00:49:09.320 But it does mean that you should be recognizing that there's absolutely nothing incompatible with the values of the United States, with the founders and the Constitution and everything else that conservatives love, that in any way prohibits you from preferring, you know, religious displays in the United States that are Christian.
00:49:30.360 And the fact that, you know, the attempt to erect these altars, you know, these displays in, you know, that are satanic in nature, the fact that they are regularly getting knocked down, and that this seems to be not a huge issue for people, I think that's ultimately a positive development.
00:49:48.400 As you said, you know, there's a certain level of justice that should be, you know, recognized in that, whether or not it's done completely through the legal system or not.
00:49:58.600 And it's a good thing, ultimately, that, you know, this is something that is not being allowed in many of these houses anymore.
00:50:05.380 They're not, this is not getting, this is not continuing.
00:50:08.540 This insult is not being allowed to stand.
00:50:10.820 Well, and I think there's a through line between both of these stories, right? 0.98
00:50:15.900 Both the, shall we say, public consensus to smash balls, if you will.
00:50:20.880 And then also, you know, a great number of conservatives who have made peace with the idea that their interests are perhaps better represented by people who aren't exactly like them, right?
00:50:31.260 By people who don't present as particularly conservative in their personal lives.
00:50:34.780 And that's basically the realization that this is not a fair game, right?
00:50:40.240 That the Robert's rules of order that our enemies impose on us are not mutually respected.
00:50:46.160 And so, you know, the idea that you can simply, you know, exist exclusively by the written rules, you know, do exactly what you are, quote unquote, supposed to do what you're taught in civics class.
00:50:57.800 That's coming apart.
00:50:59.060 And is that ultimately a bad thing?
00:51:00.860 Yes, I would much rather live in a society where everyone lived by the same shared code of conduct, right?
00:51:07.460 Where there was a moral unity among the population.
00:51:10.320 But the problem is, that's been dead for a long time.
00:51:13.120 That's been dead for my entire life, for your entire life.
00:51:16.480 Let's be honest, probably at least my grandparents' entire life, right? 0.98
00:51:20.240 And so pretending as if that's still the case is ultimately foolish.
00:51:24.540 You know, effectively, right? 0.69
00:51:26.600 These are short-term gains, right?
00:51:30.160 If you have the opportunity to do something, you should.
00:51:33.260 Now, is that damaging to the social fabric?
00:51:36.040 Yeah, probably.
00:51:37.200 But to be honest, there's not much of it left.
00:51:42.860 Absolutely.
00:51:43.820 All right, guys, we're going to head over to the questions of the people.
00:51:47.520 But before we do, Mr. Burden, is there anywhere you want people to go?
00:51:50.820 Where can they find your great work?
00:51:51.880 Yeah, sure.
00:51:53.080 So my primary output is the Jay Burden Show, which is available on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, now Rumble, anywhere you want to listen to podcasts.
00:52:01.460 What I do there is I host an interview show twice a week.
00:52:04.260 I've had Auron on a number of times, as well as some great guests he regularly features.
00:52:09.200 If you check me out there, I appreciate it.
00:52:10.580 And again, Auron, thanks for having me on.
00:52:12.160 Of course, always great to have you.
00:52:14.060 Make sure that if you are not watching the Jay Burden Show, you are fixing that right now.
00:52:20.000 Let's see here.
00:52:20.880 General Grievance says,
00:52:22.320 The Jay Burden, the Jay Auron Burden Tire Show is my favorite crossover.
00:52:28.060 Sorry, Prudentialist, you've been bumped to number two.
00:52:30.580 Oh, we love all of our excellent recurring guests here.
00:52:34.260 But yes, always great to see Mr. Burden and his Beaver Gang show up. 0.99
00:52:37.820 Let's see here.
00:52:42.020 FM9K says,
00:52:43.200 Say what you will about the first American triumvirate, but everyone in it is Crassus. 0.79
00:52:47.760 Yes, I meant to make that joke.
00:52:49.020 Thank you for making it.
00:52:50.500 I was going to get to the Crassus joke when you were saying everyone's a general.
00:52:54.480 It's like, yeah, but man, Crassus is like general plus Elon Musk.
00:52:59.000 So we've got Plum Logan saying,
00:53:05.480 Noticing an ironic cross-section among those just learning about billionaires in politics
00:53:11.320 and those afraid of losing the Department of Education.
00:53:16.640 Yeah, that's absolutely correct.
00:53:19.680 As a wise man once said, many such cases.
00:53:22.400 Many, many such cases.
00:53:24.260 King Piltzels,
00:53:24.980 Well, thank you very much, Ian.
00:53:32.440 Yeah, your PayPal mafia theory has obviously borne itself out very well,
00:53:37.600 and you deserve all credit for developing it.
00:53:40.220 And we are seeing it play out in real time here.
00:53:43.220 So very helpful insights.
00:53:45.860 King Piltzels also has his own show, so you can check out his insights there.
00:53:50.020 And then we have Charlemagne who says, There's an easy solution to this co-president situation.
00:53:56.240 Trump and Musk can just get gay married, and then Musk can legally be co-president.
00:54:00.420 Yeah, well, I mean, given that Jill Biden has, you know, theoretically been, you know, 0.93
00:54:05.140 kind of the acting president in many ways during the Biden administration,
00:54:09.540 and we just have the, what is it?
00:54:11.060 The Wall Street Journal just finally did the piece where, like, all of the Biden staffers were admitting,
00:54:15.140 like, yeah, Joe's been checked out for years.
00:54:17.460 We've been running the whole thing the whole time.
00:54:19.200 Like, yeah, you might as well, you know, just, yeah, get that marriage going, 0.97
00:54:22.840 and then he, too, can wield all the power inside the White House when, you know, Trump's an old guy.
00:54:27.420 You know, maybe he'll start, you know, forgetting everything in a year or two,
00:54:30.560 and then Elon can pick up the slack.
00:54:33.400 That's a wild concept for sort of like a madcap comedy.
00:54:37.200 Right.
00:54:37.980 Two college roommates, you know, 50 years later, one of them becomes president,
00:54:42.540 so they get, like, a fake marriage certificate so they can rule the country.
00:54:46.440 Yeah, it's like, yeah.
00:54:47.100 If you're listening, hit me up.
00:54:48.440 There's, like, the Adam Sandler movie.
00:54:51.760 It's him and Kevin James, and they, like, get fake gay married for the, you know, 0.95
00:54:55.700 for the tax benefits or whatever.
00:54:58.000 Like, basically the same premise, but for the president of the United States.
00:55:03.160 Yeah, it's a great idea.
00:55:04.700 Yeah, yeah.
00:55:05.220 All right.
00:55:05.540 Yeah, if any of the, you know, any of the, you know, conservative movie studios or outlets are interested,
00:55:11.540 you can contact, you know, us.
00:55:14.540 We'll get you, Charlemagne will get a script going.
00:55:16.720 We can get all that set up.
00:55:18.000 We'll make that happen.
00:55:19.880 All right, guys.
00:55:20.980 Well, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.
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