On today's show, Oren talks about white supremacy, and the hypocrisy behind it. He also talks about the video game streamer who makes a ton of money and gets a lot of attention for basically just talking about communism while playing video games all the time.
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00:00:33.680All right, guys. So today I wanted to talk to you about white supremacy. It's something that we have
00:00:40.380to hear about all the time from the left. They love to talk about how white supremacy is destroying
00:00:45.460the country or the nation is founded in white supremacy or white supremacy is, you know,
00:00:50.520making victims of everyone around the world and all the minorities here in the United States.1.00
00:00:55.960And, you know, Hassan Piker is one of these idiots who goes around.0.99
00:01:00.280I think a lot of people are familiar with him at this point.0.99
00:01:03.020He's a Internet streamer who makes a lot of money and gets a lot of attention for basically just talking about communism while playing video games all the time.
00:01:13.340The man is, you know, he's well-connected.
00:06:34.880When the Founding Fathers were fighting for their rights, when they were talking about the rights that they would eventually make their way into our Constitution and the Bill of Rights, they were talking about the rights of an Englishman.
00:06:47.500When they were trying to appeal before they ended up breaking away from England, all of their appeals were under their rights as members of the English Empire, specifically not just subjects of the English Empire, but people who were descended from that tradition, whose ancestors came from that land and who felt like they were owed the same rights.
00:07:12.240It wasn't OK to treat Americans any different than you would treat a Englishman in England because we were supposed to be the same people at the time.
00:07:20.440And so obviously, even though we've diverged in the meantime, we've become our own country and our own people.
00:07:26.540Those roots still run very deep. And it was interesting of Donald Trump to singularly call on that Anglo-Saxon tradition and the way in which we are connected to it.
00:07:37.360And so I want to play this clip and I want to talk a little bit about how those two ideas work in tandem and how Hassan Piker, despite being the spoiled communist idiot, kind of reveals a little bit of connectivity with what Donald Trump was talking about.0.95
00:07:54.060I'm not like automatically saying like you are the devil if you've had any positive associations with Israel because I understand that just like I understand where people are coming from with with with even white supremacist attitudes that they might have had, like the the residual white supremacist blind spots that they have that that end up rearing their head in their decision making.0.94
00:08:19.160um so a couple things here first you know there's been a lot of talk about israel
00:08:26.240i'm sure you're tired of it i'm tired of it i think any sane person who isn't like
00:08:32.900constantly obsessed with foreign countries and deranged about them really would just rather
00:08:39.520not hear about israel anymore i wish i didn't have to talk about it anytime but unfortunately
00:08:45.440we seem to be entering conflicts from time to time because Israel wants to, and that's a problem.
00:08:51.060So I have to talk about it to some extent. But a lot of people who recognize that our relationship
00:08:57.360with Israel is deeply unhealthy, which I think is correct, are suggesting that we team up with the1.00
00:09:03.980left because some people on the left have a similar view saying that Israel is a problem.0.99
00:09:10.400Now, the thing that you really want to watch out for is people who are trying to get you to change your beliefs or sublimate your other understandings so that ultimately you could ally with the left on this.
00:09:26.820And the reason that's a problem is what Hassan Piker is going to kind of reveal here.0.98
00:09:31.860I mean, first, Hassan Piker is like, you know, a foreigner.0.97
00:09:35.500Yeah, like I don't I don't know his technical status of moving through the U.S. immigration system.0.66
00:09:41.800I don't know if he was born here. He naturalized at some level.
00:09:45.140But obviously, his first allegiance, his real interests are pretty much all foreign.
00:09:49.480He does not like the United States. He doesn't like the traditions. He doesn't like the systems.
00:09:53.260he doesn't like anything about the country so i don't know if he technically has birthright
00:09:57.380citizenship or if he at some point uh you know naturalized but either way it's a it's paperwork
00:10:02.920americanism this guy in no way it would really identify as american loves the country cares
00:10:08.300about the people of the country wants what's best for us you know once wants to perpetuate
00:10:12.680uh what we've had throughout history that's just not who hassan piker is uh and so when hassan
00:10:18.540piker is talking about the united states he reveals how much he really loathes the people
00:10:25.340of the united states what we believe where we came from and he sees it all in a negative light
00:10:31.140so i get why ultimately people see israel and our current unhealthy relationship with that country
00:10:40.360as an issue but when you go out of your way to say no i need to ally with a guy who hates
00:10:45.580me at a like base level like ontologically like my very being is offensive to him then i think
00:10:54.700they are making terrible political calculations because the place that the friend enemy distinction
00:11:00.380is drawn to go back to carl schmidt is the place at which um existential politics happens where
00:11:08.240one side cannot tolerate the existence of another and it's very clear that hassan piker cannot
00:11:14.100tolerate my existence, the existence of my country, the existence of my people, the existence of our
00:11:20.120way of life, of our traditions. He hates those beliefs. He wants to wipe out those beliefs.
00:11:26.100If he had his drithers, he would snap his fingers tomorrow and people like me and my family and the
00:11:32.780things that I love would all disappear. So he could run his little foreign communist third0.92
00:11:37.060world utopia in the United States. So when I'm told that I need to ally with a guy like this,
00:11:43.300I'm very suspicious. Now, that doesn't mean that I need to ignore any problems that might arise
00:11:50.140from the relationship with Israel. It's very much the opposite. I care about the country.0.77
00:11:54.580And so it's very important that those things get addressed. But there is no world in which I'm
00:11:59.360going to turn around and see this guy as someone who's on my side. And I don't think it's healthy
00:12:05.080for other people to push this idea either. I don't think that there's any way to win
00:12:11.540with Hassan Piker, which doesn't mean you then have to like side with Israel as like some
00:12:17.400massive Israel booster. But the idea that this guy is ultimately going to not stab you in the
00:12:23.660back the minute he has a chance is insane. And the idea that you're going to make him change
00:12:29.560his ideology so that you can work together is also insane. What's going to happen is he's going
00:12:34.160to say you have to leave all of your right wing or conservative beliefs behind so that you can
00:12:39.460fit into his coalition and that's just not going to work out so wanted to get that out of the way
00:12:45.500because that's just something that's been percolating through uh kind of the discussions
00:12:49.720uh on online and uh you know social media and all youtube and all these places uh so i thought it
00:12:56.700was important to address that uh you'll also notice that he starts talking about the blind
00:13:01.360spots of white supremacy see here he's trying to explain like well i can i don't i don't condemn
00:13:06.480eternally anybody who uh sided with israel uh because i get how that happens because you've
00:13:11.940had a positive interaction just like i i see how people you know they have these blind spots
00:13:16.640from white supremacy and when he says that they have these blind spots from white supremacy
00:13:21.860another way to say that if you didn't like hate those people you've been load these people
00:13:26.180with uh all of your beating or all of your being then you would understand that what what you're
00:13:33.560really saying there is these people live in the way that many white people live. Many people of
00:13:38.500European descent live. And because they live in that way, they don't understand the things from1.00
00:13:45.060my culture, which is probably true. But we'll see here in a second that Hassan isn't very reflective0.65
00:13:52.520of that fact. Yes, we live in a certain way, and that way is different than the way people live in
00:13:58.360turkey. Yes, that is correct. And so we don't see all the things that Hassan Piker sees from his
00:14:06.740worldview. And that's fine, because many of them are things we don't care about. And that's okay.
00:14:12.560We get to live the way we want to live. And Hassan Piker doesn't get to come here and tell us
00:14:17.220how we should be living our lives or what we should be seeing from his perspective. Because
00:14:22.880he doesn't care what we see from our perspective, even though he's missing those things as well.0.77
00:14:27.120He's not really American. He doesn't really understand our perspective. He doesn't really care about the things we care about. And again, honestly, that's okay as long as Hassan's hanging out in Turkey. It's not an issue. People can live the way they want to live and they can have the traditions and the understandings that are natural to them as long as they're mainly living in the places where those things are normal.
00:14:51.060The problem is when you move to the United States or Europe and then you explain those to those people that actually they should have been seeing this all along, that that's the way that life should have been all along and that you need to change Europe or the United States to fit into whatever he believes.
00:15:08.500because america is in its foundation of white supremacist country this is very frustrating
00:15:16.520for republicans to hear this is even frustrating for liberals to hear sometimes but it's just the
00:15:20.980truth all right so again i'm not gonna embrace his verbiage here uh it's
00:15:29.180inherently aggressive to say that you live in a supremacist society, but this is just
00:15:38.720true about societies. Okay. So what makes a culture, a culture is that you all share a
00:15:48.340tradition, a background, a belief, an orientation, a general direction in which you believe your
00:15:53.940society should be going, a common vision of the good. These things are built on many factors. And
00:15:59.920a lot of people will like to focus on one or the other. They'll say, oh, well, it's all about
00:16:03.960religion, or it's all about language, or it's all about, you know, shared stories, or it's all about
00:16:11.060blood. And the answer is, it's all of those things. It's all of those things that mix together.0.67
00:16:18.700And sometimes someone's missing one piece or another, but they still end up fitting into the
00:16:23.540society because they mesh with all the other pieces but ultimately the truth is that civilization
00:16:29.660societies are founded on this kind of monocultural understanding that okay we have these same
00:16:36.860traditions we have the same religion we speak this language and if you've ever like tried to
00:16:42.340read things from other languages you especially things that are difficult you start to see
00:16:48.040how radically language shapes everything about how you perceive the world. If you read something
00:16:54.740in German and it gets translated to English, you often have to stop and go back to the translation
00:16:59.540and understand where those changes took place when you're trying to translate those words over,
00:17:05.040those concepts over, because they aren't the same thing. There are words in German that just don't
00:17:09.800exist in English. And if you try to translate the concept, you can do so poorly. Of course,
00:17:15.040this is why people spend endless time debating about the Bible, because it's largely in a bunch
00:17:19.620of languages that other people don't speak. And so they have to go back and they have to translate
00:17:24.140it and they start arguing about which way this passage should be read or understood. And what
00:17:28.520did this mean in the cultural context? There's a lot to the way that language radically shapes
00:17:34.280our outlook. And that's just one aspect. Religion, again, these cultural norms, these folk ways,
00:17:39.900you know these are all things that can very much shape our perception of the world and so when we0.98
00:17:47.660say that your culture is a supremacist culture well that's got to be true because that's what
00:17:55.100cultures are that's how you form them you have to choose one thing that everyone shares and0.76
00:18:02.740generally because you all share it you see that as the superior way to do things that doesn't
00:18:09.020mean you have to be ultra chauvinistic it doesn't mean you have to go around and say everyone else
00:18:14.820is wrong though maybe you will that's fine but the point is that even if you're not like hostile
00:18:21.300about this fact everyone should at some level have pride in their people their culture where
00:18:27.780they came from their traditions everything about them they should have some level of understanding
00:18:33.880that this is better and this is the way I want to live my life, right? So saying America is founded
00:18:40.820in a white supremacist culture, the other way you could say that is America was founded by white0.55
00:18:46.640people who built their civilization the way that white people usually do. Now, even then, that's
00:18:53.180not enough, right? And that's why I think that Trump's Anglo-Saxon comment is very important0.95
00:18:58.100Because America wasn't just founded in whiteness, it was specifically founded by Anglo-Saxons, and they built it in the way that Anglo-Saxons do.0.58
00:19:08.320There is a big difference between the way that white Anglo-Saxons and white Spanish people and white Germans and white people in many other countries understand the world.
00:19:21.840Now, I think Europe is closer to each other, close enough to have kind of an almost pan-European understanding at some level.
00:19:31.400We used to call this Christendom, by the way, because they all mainly shared the Christian faith.
00:19:36.920And so we have this cultural and religious enmeshing that allows some level of overlap in Europe.
00:19:44.800However, there's still very, very different cultures in Italy and in the UK.
00:19:50.220Like these are both technically white or now considered white, I guess, in the modern term at some level. There used to be quite a bit of debate about that. But today, these are both considered white countries. But ultimately, even though they are white countries, they have very different backgrounds.
00:20:06.460So even saying that America is founded in white supremacy doesn't really work because that's not exactly true. If anything, if you were going to use his terminology, it would need to be founded on Anglo-Saxon supremacy.
00:20:18.320now again i think supremacy is a bad term i think it's a hostile term i don't think it's one that
00:20:23.520you should embrace when you're trying to describe this scenario but he is at some level unveiling
00:20:30.600an understanding that america was founded in this particular style in this particular mood
00:20:37.320mode and this is always like the marxist breakdown right is they say something that's partly true
00:20:44.220and then they take it to a hostile and ridiculous extreme and put their like murderous dangerous0.96
00:20:51.320disastrous ideology on top of it and this allows them to have like some level of insight to make
00:20:57.720people say stop you know people wait and stop and say hey what's going on here but then they
00:21:03.340follow it up with all this ridiculous nonsense and obviously Hassan Piker is doing that here
00:21:09.560because he if he just wanted to explain how societies worked he would say well yeah America0.67
00:21:13.700is founded in like this anglo-saxon way but like all these other countries are founded in the ways
00:21:19.620of their culture and they're built for their people turkey is built for the turks and you know
00:21:25.840the different countries in africa are built for those peoples the countries in europe and asia
00:21:31.160they're built for those people there's nothing wrong with that it's not there's nothing wrong
00:21:35.340about japan centering its culture around japanese people there's nothing wrong with the chinese
00:21:42.220centering their culture around chinese people that's what you're supposed to do why would you
00:21:46.940make your society any other way but hassan specifically is angry at americans for living
00:21:54.220in the way that americans live for founding their culture on anglo-saxon premises now why
00:22:00.540what's specifically wrong about that well it's because he hates us and he wants to take over
00:22:07.680what we have and so even though the country from which his parents came turkey is founded for
00:22:15.820turkish people and serves their interests and it's founded in their culture and everything in
00:22:20.620their society is founded in that way of being when hassan piker comes the to america whether again
00:22:26.780i don't know if he's naturalized or born here but when he exists in this country he finds it
00:22:32.920uncomfortable. Why? Well, because the systems weren't made for him. They weren't made for
00:22:38.480people with his cultural assumptions. Now, the good news is that every culture throughout history
00:22:44.320had some level of tribal assimilation. They had the ability of an outsider to like marry into the0.60
00:22:51.820tribe. Usually it was marriage, literally marriage that allowed that to happen. But they always had
00:22:56.960some level of ability to adopt the outsider but this was slow usually generational you couldn't
00:23:04.480be someone in an ancient culture an ancient tribe by just walking in and you know raising your hand
00:23:10.360and saying you believe in some kind of principle you had to marry in you had to adopt the religion
00:23:15.480you had to speak the language and even then you probably would never be part of that tribe
00:23:19.800but maybe your child or your grandchild or your great-great-grandchild they would be because
00:23:24.620after enough they kind of blend in they've never known anything else they've always had the
00:23:29.200religion they've always had the language they've always and they share some level of heritage
00:23:33.220because you've married into the tribe and so that that has always existed but that's a slow
00:23:39.240individual process of multiple generations that's very complicated requires a deep amount of
00:23:45.240enmeshing in the culture basically a entire sublimation of your previous identity to the
00:23:51.220new tribal identity. But that's, of course, not what most modern immigrants are doing. It's0.99
00:23:56.420not what Hassan Piker is doing. He's showing up and he's not looking to assimilate. He's not
00:24:01.060looking to marry in and adopt Christianity and speak English and embrace the way that the
00:24:07.340Protestant work ethic works in the United States. No, he has no interest in any of that. In fact,
00:24:12.520he hates all of that. So he uses these negative terms. Oh, it's white supremacist. No, it's just
00:24:18.540it's just white it's just it's just anglo-saxon more specifically it's just what the country was
00:24:24.200founded on of course it permeates everything we do of course it permeates all of our systems
00:24:29.400that's the way we live it's the way we've always lived it's the way we want to continue to live0.99
00:24:35.140but he's here specifically to tell us that that's wrong and it's only really wrong for you white
00:24:41.480people in the united states he's not advocating that the chinese or the koreans or the japanese0.95
00:24:47.760change their way of life so they can fit him he's telling you that you need to do it and you're evil
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00:25:08.520right and so my assessment always is yeah there's gonna be some things that people say
00:25:18.520that are going to be objectively heinous some uh implicit biases that they have but i don't treat
00:25:25.720people that have so again hassan says oh people are gonna say these heinous things they're gonna
00:25:31.360have implicit biases so this is this is this moment where hassan wants to pretend he has a
00:25:37.220view from nowhere he has no biases you have the bias you have the implicit bias yeah we all have
00:25:44.660biases we can't see except me i can see your biases and i'm better than you so hassan looks
00:25:50.880at you and says well yes you might be adopting those because you have these inherent biases
00:25:55.660but me i with my objective understanding of what is heinous as he says there it's objectively
00:26:01.520heinous uh well you know what i find objectively heinous actually your your behavior so i guess
00:26:07.520it's not objective so much as when you come into my culture and you tell me how to live my life and
00:26:13.820how my people should stop existing or we are somehow evil for having a tradition and a heritage
00:26:20.640and a shared religion and foundation uh actually i think i think that's heinous and you don't
00:26:26.460because we don't share that understanding.
00:26:29.960You think your understanding is objective
00:26:51.600because you feel that lack of belonging.0.65
00:26:53.740Now, if you were an immigrant who was maybe a little culturally closer to the United States or had the level of dedication required to kind of truly sublimate your former identity to the U.S., it might be easier to work with.0.97
00:27:08.720But you're not that person at all.0.99
00:27:10.620You're somebody who expects to carry your traditions, your understandings from some third world country and bring it into the United States and impose it here.1.00
00:27:20.480So that's why it feels unwelcome. Because it is unwelcome. But Hasan Piker thinks that his understanding of the world is objective, and yours is subjective. And so therefore, your behavior is heinous, and you have the blind spots, and you have inherent bias. And he's this objective, rational actor, you know, because they perfected that in Turkey or something.
00:27:40.900Those implicit biases as like permanent villains. I try to talk to them coming from a place of understanding and and and try to identify exactly how they arrived at that conclusion and then change their mindset and to hopefully help heal in that process and to ensure that they don't fall into those same traps again.
00:28:03.180so you know hassan piker he he wants to re-educate you basically i'm gonna pull you out of your0.76
00:28:10.920cultural context and teach you that everything you believe about the world is wrong uh and i don't0.94
00:28:16.340hate you i'm just i'm just trying to rewire your brain to really hate your people and think that
00:28:21.680you shouldn't live the way of life that you have now again the reason i pulled this clip it's not0.89
00:28:26.560very long and it's really not even that stand out but like i said i thought it was an interesting
00:28:31.500contrast to Trump's embrace of the Anglo-Saxon identity. I've made this reference many times,
00:28:38.300but in case you want some more academic and objective understanding, we have guys who are
00:28:45.240writing books like Who Are We? And I think that the book is so great because ultimately it talks
00:28:52.840about the founding of America as an Anglo-Saxon nation. You know that ultimately that Samuel
00:29:00.380Huntington is not some radical right winger he was a Harvard professor basically a center leftist
00:29:05.820but he understands enough about the history of the country and he's honest enough about its
00:29:10.840development to admit that ultimately yes the United States is an Anglo-Saxon country and if
00:29:17.360we're going to maintain some kind of cultural identity if America is going to be more than an
00:29:21.440economic zone more than some place for guys like Hassan Piker to show up and collect their video
00:29:26.100game check, then that means it's going to have to remember its roots, where it came from. Now,
00:29:32.100that doesn't mean that it won't develop over time and that it won't add new people along the way,
00:29:37.060but they have to assimilate to something. What are they assimilating to? Is it white supremacy?
00:29:42.980Well, no, but it is white. It is Anglo-Saxon more specifically, because that's what the culture was
00:29:50.880founded on. That's what permeates everything that we believe in, our court system, our understanding
00:29:56.740of rights, our understanding of customs. How should you get married? How should you take care
00:30:02.660of children? Who has the responsibilities in families? Would we allow someone to hurt an0.98
00:30:09.720animal if it's theirs? Would we allow someone to chop off the genitals of a child to say that0.98
00:30:16.320they're something that they're not like these are all culturally informed norms and they're not the0.99
00:30:21.700same everywhere and in iran they trans all the gay people to make sure that they don't have any0.71
00:30:26.800gays there's no gay people in iran because once you've made a man into a woman he's not gay anymore0.98
00:30:32.760right he just wants to be with dudes and now he's a woman now i think that's insane right like that0.94
00:30:40.560makes no sense in my world view but that is the world view in iran a place that many people think
00:30:46.120of as far more traditional than the united states there's nothing traditional about trans surgeries
00:30:51.200and men can't become women but in iran that is literally how they see the world and you know what
00:30:58.180if they're not trying to kill me it's not really my business that's how they want to do things0.84
00:31:03.800that's how they want to see things okay but that's not how i see them that's not how people from the
00:31:09.240anglo-saxon tradition generally saw it throughout history unfortunately there has been some radical
00:31:15.360leftist uh you know change you know on that understanding and that's why we had to endure
00:31:20.260all the woke insanity and the gender wars and everything else that we were dealing with
00:31:24.340but like that's just not how we think and how we think informs everything it informs how we do
00:31:31.660basic stuff like drive it informs how we bank it informs how we write things it it really just
00:31:40.040permeates every aspect of a culture. Cultures just drip with these inherent assumptions about
00:31:46.100the world. How far do you stand from someone in line, right? If you are trying to have a
00:31:53.580conversation with somebody and you're from Northern Europe, you stand further away from0.99
00:31:58.780them than if you were a North African. They stand very close when they're trying to have a1.00
00:32:02.980conversation. Is one of them inherently right? Is one of them inherently wrong? Or is this just the
00:32:08.540way they live their lives now i'm not saying i'm a cultural relativist i do think things are right
00:32:14.000and wrong but i'm just saying there are assumptions so deeply baked into every culture that they're
00:32:20.120not going to recognize that most of the time and i don't think there is actively an object objectively
00:32:25.140correct distance to stand when you're talking to someone but i'm still going to stand at the
00:32:29.980distance that europeans stand because that's how i was raised that's how all the people around me
00:32:35.140behave right and so when Hassan Piker pretends like this is some kind of weird evil thing that
00:32:42.320people have an inherent culture and inherent belief and that the systems and structures
00:32:46.960the criminal justice systems the education systems the financial systems that a society0.92
00:32:53.000produces are somehow evil because they don't conform to the Turkish understanding well that's1.00
00:32:59.360dumb and I don't want somebody in my country who's going to sit around and tell me that well0.99
00:33:03.660really i'm not a good person unless i'm willing to completely conform to their foreign understanding0.99
00:33:09.580that's ridiculous america was founded on anglo-saxon principles it was found in anglo-saxon
00:33:15.300culture religion everything and that heritage is central to our identity some people have joined
00:33:24.740it some of it has changed over time but that's still our core and so yeah it's true that you
00:33:31.760might find it alien. If you come to the United States from Africa or from Japan, you might
00:33:37.660walk into the United States and find it very strange. And if I go to Japan or some part
00:33:42.040of Africa, I would probably find the way you do things strange too. And that's the beauty1.00
00:33:46.660of real global diversity. You can live in the way you want to live and I can live in
00:33:52.120the way that we're supposed to live. And it's fine. We don't have to force each other to
00:33:56.900change unless you're trying to do this forced diversity thing where and that's what happens
00:34:04.340when when we try to do this guys like Hassan come in and start lecturing us about the way
00:34:08.320we should be doing things because it is alien to them they don't like it it doesn't make sense to
00:34:14.820them and so they try to force their way of life onto us and that would be extremely rude if I0.88
00:34:22.480went to japan and i suddenly showed up there and said yeah i know i'm i'm i moved here a few years
00:34:28.000ago or you know i was born here because my my dad was visiting and and but i but i am just as
00:34:33.880japanese as you are and i get to tell you what japanese people should do so i'm going to tell
00:34:38.800you uh you got to stop eating with chopsticks because civilized people use forks and you can't0.99
00:34:43.900be eating that raw sushi stuff civilized people cook their food like that would be stupid and1.00
00:34:49.060that would be rude. I would, if I was in Japan, I would try my best to respect their culture0.96
00:34:55.040while understanding that I am always at some level going to be alien and foreign. And I would1.00
00:34:59.480not expect them to change what they do in order to please me. I would not complain that Japanese
00:35:05.920buildings are built too small for me because Japanese people are generally smaller than people1.00
00:35:12.160from the United States. I'm not going to complain that the Japanese don't have all their signs in0.94
00:35:17.200english or that they don't observe the customs that i observe i'm not going to complain that
00:35:21.980they don't give people the rights i think people should have because it's their culture and i'm
00:35:26.700visiting they're the ones that get to decide their way of life and i don't get to is that japanese
00:35:32.960supremacy sure whatever i don't think that verbiage is good i think again it's meant to be
00:35:37.940hostile but the point is every piece of japan's structure is built for japanese people and it
00:35:44.100should be that's right and proper and true and that's the way the world should work and that's
00:35:50.160why you can tell actually what's happening here is anti-white hatred because Hassan Piker again0.70
00:35:55.320would never say this to a Japanese person but he will gladly say it to you because he thinks that
00:36:01.340white people are the only people who shouldn't have this kind of understanding they shouldn't
00:36:07.280have homelands they shouldn't have cultures all white cultures should conform to whatever man in0.99
00:36:12.100Turkey tells them to conform to. But it's fine if Turkey has its own culture. It's fine if Iran0.97
00:36:17.580has its own culture. It's fine if China has its own culture because they're not white. And so0.98
00:36:23.120they're allowed to do that. And that double standard is dumb. Again, it doesn't mean you1.00
00:36:28.440need to be like super djangoistic. It doesn't mean you have to hate all these people who are outside
00:36:34.400of your country and think that your way is the only possible way. But you certainly can't come0.98
00:36:41.140into my country and tell me that your way is the only possible way. That's definitely not going to
00:36:45.260happen. And so I think it's really important that Donald Trump was willing to go out and say,
00:36:50.360we are an Anglo-Saxon culture. That is the reality. And that does form every aspect of0.94
00:36:57.860our tradition. When we're celebrating that 250th anniversary of America, we are celebrating her
00:37:04.520heritage. And at some level, that heritage is Anglo-Saxon. And so that means we will be
00:37:09.780celebrating many things that are exclusive to and elevated by Anglo-Saxon culture. And that's good.0.76
00:37:16.360That's a good thing. There's nothing wrong with that. You don't need to be ashamed of it.
00:37:20.400You don't need to be scared of it. You don't need to be mean about it. It doesn't mean you
00:37:25.780have to hurt other people or go out of your way to be off of the people who don't believe or don't
00:37:30.580see the world the way you do. But that's exactly what Hassan is doing. And he's doing it under
00:37:35.580the guise of somehow being more compassionate, which is, of course, the most leftist thing of
00:37:39.660all, being more hateful while pretending to be more compassionate. All right, guys, I also wanted
00:37:45.520to show you a little bit of a crash out that occurred on social media here recently. Let me
00:37:51.480bring that up. So obviously, I have read pretty deeply into the works of Alexander Dugan. If
00:38:00.240you've been on this channel before, you've probably seen that I have a whole five-part series going
00:38:05.560through his work on the fourth political theory with Michael Millerman. I've had him on my show,
00:38:12.960both as an individual interview and as a debate with Nick Land, which I think is a really good
00:38:18.160show. If you haven't seen that, you should check that out.
00:38:23.000But as I've done that, many people have asked me, what are you doing with this? Because Alexander
00:38:30.180Dugan is a controversial figure. And if you go back and you watch my, uh, videos on Alexander
00:38:38.060Dugan, especially the ones on the fourth political theory, I point out several times that in that
00:38:43.060book and in other places, but very specifically in that book, since that's what we were going on,
00:38:47.380on that Alexander Dugan is pretty hostile to the West to the point where he literally says that
00:38:53.120it has to be destroyed, uh, that it's bringing about the end times that it's like the great
00:38:57.440satan uh alexander dugan is uh like most thinkers uh a mixed back right i a lot of people will tell
00:39:06.800me that alexander dugan is just not a real philosopher he's a sham all these things and i'm
00:39:11.880sorry that just isn't true i get that i'm not like the top expert in philosophy but i know a decent
00:39:19.440amount and i know enough to know that alexander dugan knows what he's talking about he just does
00:39:25.200he knows the philosophy he is discussing you can disagree with him and i do very often but he is a
00:39:31.640man who understands something and i think it's dumb to go around when we're trying to grasp these
00:39:37.580really important things that are very complicated and avoid thinkers we don't like or don't agree
00:39:43.980with because ultimately uh there's like something magical and forbidden about trying to understand
00:39:51.420what's going on, right? I think that the James Lindsays of the world and the Joel Berries of
00:39:56.780the world who are running around and going, naughty boy, naughty boy, you read somebody I don't like,
00:40:02.120you read somebody who said something that was mean, and therefore you believe all those things.0.99
00:40:06.740I think that's ignorant. I think that's dumb. I think that's short-sighted. And I think it's just1.00
00:40:11.080mean. I think it's a lie. It's terrible behavior. We have to be able to be intellectually curious.
00:40:17.240We have to be willing to look at thinkers we might disagree with.
00:40:21.180I've looked at a lot of thinkers on the show that I've disagreed with.
00:40:27.480I agree with some of the things he said, and I disagreed with some of the things he said.
00:40:30.920I've read Plato, and I agree with some of the things he said, and I disagree with some of the things he said.
00:40:35.800Leo Strauss is somebody who I disagree with on a number of things, but I still think he's worth reading because he reveals some interesting things about the world.
00:40:43.220Carl Schmidt very controversial guy literally a member of the Nazi party I disagree with him on
00:40:48.820that but he still has really valuable things to tell us and so he's worth reading and so I think
00:40:54.740that's just something we need to become comfortable with this this guilt by association is so leftist0.63
00:41:00.600it's ridiculous and I'm saying all that because Alexander Dugan did this like really horrible
00:41:06.500crash out on twitter yesterday and a lot of people started to like take those pictures and you know
00:41:13.640say oh well oran mcintyre interviewed this guy oran mcintyre's talked about this work he's0.99
00:41:18.260platforming alexander dugan and that was just some of the most dumb ridiculous like highly feminine0.98
00:41:26.900leftist performative nonsense i have ever seen it was a bunch of conservatives doing it because they0.99
00:41:32.740all wanted to prove that like obviously i am more intellectually pure than you or they just didn't
00:41:38.380like me and they thought this is one some way to like gotcha me but of course if you go back and
00:41:43.400you watch any of those episodes i point out repeatedly that this has always been part of
00:41:48.600dugan's work that he's always been anti-western that he's always had kind of this progressive
00:41:53.080post-modern tone to his critiques of the west that he is constantly attacked the idea of kind
00:42:01.000of like collective european peoples as somehow being destructive especially americans as being
00:42:06.800destructive to some kind of greater human project in fact if you watch those episodes you'll even
00:42:12.860notice that i talk about those concerns when uh you know with millerman and millerman says oh well
00:42:19.860you know he's worried about what the left has become and the neoliberalism and he's talking
00:42:23.760about destroying that he doesn't mean the american people he likes the american people he likes
00:42:28.140european people he just doesn't like the the things that that have been produced or the things
00:42:33.520that have gone off track and i say specifically in those episodes actually i don't think that's
00:42:39.120true i think dugan wants to be dead like i think alexander dugan genuinely like sees himself as an
00:42:45.460opponent of my people and our way of life and wants to see it destroyed and he's like no no that's not
00:42:50.540the case i'm like yeah i think it is so i think i've established pretty well you know in the past
00:42:56.360that I always knew this about Dugan and this is something we need to be wary of you know at in
00:43:01.800the same way that I've read several different leftist authors to better understand what they
00:43:07.120believe and even understood some of their points that ultimately I don't agree with the worldview
00:43:13.640because they hate me and hate my people and they want me dead and so yeah I can say well that might
00:43:19.140be right in some sense or he is outlining an interesting idea there and that might help me
00:43:23.740to understand where leftists are coming from or why the systems they're, you know, kind of
00:43:29.160proposing are working the way that they do. But it doesn't mean that I in any way endorse or agree
00:43:35.440with them. I hate that those things. I hate that they're trying to produce those things,
00:43:40.440but I want to understand them. So I'm going to read. I'm going to understand them. And the same
00:43:45.040is true of Alexander Dugan. I'm not going to apologize for reading or even talking to somebody
00:43:50.360who i've been clear from the very beginning is somebody who i don't think likes the west wants
00:43:55.220to hurt the west just because it makes someone uncomfortable i needed to understand things i
00:44:01.060want to talk through and grasp these things one of the reasons i wanted to put alexander dugan
00:44:05.720and nick land in a room is that while they see the same outline the same contour they see the
00:44:12.360same board they both have radically different understandings of where we should be going and
00:44:16.260what we should be doing and so i thought it would be very interesting to put two people who have
00:44:21.080explored the same philosophical place but came from two very different traditions and funny
00:44:26.680enough when i had nick land and alexander dugan on both of them recognized and admitted that their
00:44:32.080differences tended to be because of their ethnicity and their traditions that their ethnic
00:44:37.180understandings of the world shaped their disagreement so right there we see a reflection
00:44:43.280of exactly what we were just talking about with Hassan Piker that as even on the like the very
00:44:49.280deep philosophical level that I think both Dugan and Land occupy still like that baked in ethnic
00:44:55.700assumption and structuring of kind of their mind in the world the way they see the world
00:45:00.160literally shapes everything including you know how they understand these philosophical questions
00:45:06.260and I think that's a really interesting and rich thing to explore and I don't think that means you
00:45:11.280have to take on their understanding in any way shape or form that said let's go through the crash
00:45:16.960out and see what dugan was saying so dugan says and i'm going to read these from bottom to top
00:45:23.200because he didn't post them as a thread so they're i'm reading them in chronological order but from
00:45:28.300bottom to top look is there at least one argument why the u.s shouldn't be erased from the face of
00:45:34.180the earth okay so you can kind of see that dugan's not a fan and again he said this in his book
00:45:39.760multiple times and i pointed that out multiple times dims equal globalists are uh uttermost0.99
00:45:46.600perverts epstein gop equals idiots epstein uh interesting phrasing there uh trump and zionists1.00
00:45:54.820uh of all kind equal maniacs pedophiles epstein is there some other argument if you if not you1.00
00:46:02.800are due yeah uh alexander dugan i think there are actually plenty of arguments uh actually0.71
00:46:08.840the u.s is not just the democrats and the republicans like we understand actually there
00:46:14.600seems to be a general problem with our ruling class and it needs to be addressed i'm willing
00:46:19.580to admit that there's a problem with our ruling class i think that's why he's trying to put
00:46:23.460epstein after everything to link it all together um but you know ultimately while there are problems
00:46:29.060with the ruling class they are not all of america in fact much of our ruling class is fed up with
00:46:35.160these current structures and is looking for something different and something new.
00:46:39.760So while there might be problems with the Democrats and the Republicans, while I might1.00
00:46:44.740even personally not like that Trump is in, I think, an unhealthy relationship with the Israeli
00:46:51.420government, ultimately, that does not mean that everything the United States does is wrong or
00:46:57.540that we should be erased from the face of the earth. That's insane. It's like me saying that
00:47:03.540Dugan should be erased from the face of the earth because I don't like his current government.0.98
00:47:08.780That's insane. Like, again, you can like or dislike Vladimir Putin, but, you know, the USSR0.96
00:47:15.660was existing under a, you know, a terrible government. And then you have the oligarchs
00:47:20.640in Russia. Should Russia have been eliminated when the corrupt oligarchs were running it?0.93
00:47:26.280Should it have been erased from the face of the earth because the elites at the time were bad0.98
00:47:30.820people. I mean, this is exactly the kind of language he hates from the U S this is the kind
00:47:36.180of language he hates from Israel, right? That, that the U S is superior and everybody else needs1.00
00:47:42.260to get in line or, or, or get wiped off the face of the earth. This is the, again, this is the same
00:47:47.000problem that Hassan Piker has. Dukin is acting as if he is somehow in this objective view from
00:47:53.300nowhere, just like Hassan Piker was, and that there are no blind spots for him. And, and his,0.65
00:47:58.160everything that was wrong with his society is forgivable but the u.s should be wiped from the0.95
00:48:02.840face of the earth so this is this is just terrible reasoning and again you know obviously english is
00:48:10.540not his first language as you can tell from the post uh but but the rhetoric here is absolutely
00:48:15.500ridiculous moving on he says is there at least one argument why the eu shouldn't be erased from0.96
00:48:21.380the face of the earth liberal left globalist uh total lgbt perverts zionist right genocide0.98
00:48:29.320supporters there's still uh there's still normal right uh and normal left what is uh what is it0.80
00:48:37.580but they are minorities so again i mean i'm not a big fan of the eu as an organization if he means
00:48:43.820like the european union would be better off if it collapsed at some level yeah probably but i don't
00:48:49.960think that's what he's talking about because he certainly didn't make the differentiation with the
00:48:53.120u.s he didn't say the u.s government he just said the u.s right so if he means like europe is just
00:48:58.280lost because there's a bunch of globalists uh you know and perverts on the left well okay but like
00:49:04.360i hate to break this to you while russia does have a thin veneer of uh kind of reactionary
00:49:10.140understanding to it uh there's a lot of degeneracy in russia okay there's lots of abortion there's
00:49:16.280lots of alcoholism the birth rates are terrible you know marriage rates all these things i'm not
00:49:22.720saying that the dunk on russia i wish them nothing but the the best but that's not what dugan's doing
00:49:29.080here he's not addressing any of his country's own problems he's just saying that oh well uh the you0.98
00:49:36.600the europeans should be destroyed because like ultimately you know they're all these terrible
00:49:42.140things now I agree there's plenty of problems with Europe some of the things he's pointing out0.99
00:49:46.640are correct there some aren't but like ultimately this is a ridiculous way to understand what's
00:49:52.540going on because again he would never look at his own country and have the same conclusions0.61
00:49:57.820he would say okay yeah maybe those things are bad but like ultimately you know Russia could be
00:50:03.680saved or we're on the right track or we're going to turn things around and that's how you should
00:50:07.420view your country so I don't need this guy coming around and telling me that because there's something0.98
00:50:11.360wrong with america or europe that we have to be wiped off the face of the earth screw you man like0.99
00:50:15.820russia needs to be wiped off the face of the earth because you guys have like insane abortion0.99
00:50:20.440rates is that the plan no i don't think so again it's just one-sided hatred it has no consistency0.96
00:50:26.760which is very disappointing because dugan is a rigorous thinker in other areas but it's very
00:50:31.840clear that when he gets on social media we get this kind of slop then he says the west is totally
00:50:37.440in fall collapsed still it pretends to be a hegemon ridiculous it's a vanishing entity it should be0.99
00:50:44.120destroyed there's no reason uh to this uh reason to this trash to exist so again just just unhinged0.97
00:50:52.400hatred here right like it's not like dugan doesn't want russia to be a hegemon in its area he wants0.69
00:50:59.020it to be a regional hegemon like he wants his country to be strong now i think there is some
00:51:05.180truth to the fact that the U.S. may not be able to maintain its global supremacy. I think that
00:51:11.280we probably will not be able to maintain our global hold. But the idea that the U.S. is like
00:51:17.980completely a paper tiger and it's fallen and collapsed, sorry, no, like America isn't going
00:51:24.660anywhere. It might change its role at some level, might have to dial back some of its global
00:51:28.820adventurism. I think that'd be wise, both for other countries, but mainly and most importantly
00:51:34.080for the united states but the idea that that means it needs to be destroyed that it's you know some0.97
00:51:38.980kind of trash again screw you like you're it's not like russia isn't trying to control its area it's0.98
00:51:45.560not like it's not trying to have a geopolitical order that favors it and this is underlying much0.99
00:51:50.780of what dugan does now that's fine right dugan is a russian propagandist i've said that a million
00:51:55.420times and i'll say it again i've always said that about dugan he is a philosopher he's also a russian
00:52:01.240propagandists. He is both. He does both. So his philosophy is insightful at some level,
00:52:08.260but when he starts pushing it, you have to remember he's always pushing it from an interest
00:52:13.200in Russian supremacy. He doesn't hate supremacy. He just wants Russian supremacy. And so he is
00:52:20.280going to say and do what he needs to benefit his people. So when you read his philosophy,
00:52:24.940you always have to have that mind. You always have to take it with a grain of salt. You can't
00:52:29.640just read it uncritically. That's a failure always with philosophy. Now Dugan gets even spicier.
00:52:39.740Dugan says, whites, they are destroyed. They are destroyed. Those are his words. I'm not0.99
00:52:45.820reading it incorrectly. They are destroyed the world and themselves. To be white means to be
00:52:49.840a nihilist. It is self-hatred race. It caused so many troubles to others and to itself. It lost1.00
00:52:59.500the right to be something no argument to support their existence so you'll notice again that he
00:53:04.560does this thing that piker does right he just collapses all of the west into white right now
00:53:12.000some people like that some people just want there to be this pan european white identity that spreads
00:53:18.340from all of europe into america and australia and these other places i don't think that's actually
00:53:24.580the healthiest thing i'm not saying that white isn't real or isn't an actual coherent concept
00:53:30.380at some level it is but i think that especially when you're attempting to criticize different
00:53:36.820peoples and specific cultures you have to drill down on it are the problems in the u.s the same
00:53:42.520as the problems in australia are they the same as the problems in germany are the same the problems
00:53:46.720of the uk are the same as the problems in italy i mean some of them are the same but then some of
00:53:52.420problems are the same in china overall these are still distinct nations and distinct peoples and0.95
00:53:57.740they have different problems so just saying white people have destroyed the world okay thanks buddy1.00
00:54:03.120i i'll go read my robin d'angelo and learn how to be a better white person like this is dumb and0.99
00:54:10.680this again this has always been part of dugan's work i pointed it out when we were reading it0.92
00:54:14.480at the time this is nothing new so people who are like oh oren mcintyre shocked by what he said no
00:54:20.320it's it's what he's always said and i've always said it's wrong i've always said it's dumb i've
00:54:24.980always said that it's the stupidest part of dugan's understanding now you might say well oren why is0.99
00:54:30.820he saying that are russians white well it's complicated right um you know white is such a0.99
00:54:38.740again it should be a simple term but it's not because it's a political category it's a racial
00:54:45.160category it's a cultural category all simultaneously and then in some ways not at all right and that's
00:54:53.100why these terms are always so difficult and a guy like dugan who doesn't really speak english that
00:54:57.300well trying to translate his thoughts into it is always sloppy but he knows better than this0.80
00:55:02.260right like to think that all whites have destroyed the world and that means they should exist but0.96
00:55:07.460he's not including russia in there like yes russians have a paler skin uh but they don't0.97
00:55:12.540see themselves necessarily as European. In fact, especially Dugan, he sees himself as Eurasian,
00:55:17.600right? They're a Eurasian civilization, literally founded this idea of Eurasianism or at least
00:55:24.060advances this idea of Eurasianism. And so he doesn't really see his culture as part of the
00:55:30.220white world, the Western world, because for him, these are the same things. But just like Piker,
00:55:35.000this is something that is incredibly unspecific and unuseful. If he had a specific critique of
00:55:41.460american culture or british culture there might be some use to that but it's not it's just white
00:55:46.320people in general and so this comes off as ethnic hatred this comes off as race hate because it is
00:55:52.900he sees white people as somehow distinct from russians and somehow uniquely responsible for
00:56:00.240the destruction of the world now what he really means is that white people have been successful0.53
00:56:06.540successful and because they built the global order because they were successful it undermines0.88
00:56:11.700russia which it does and so he sees that hegemony that world order is something that must be torn
00:56:18.140down so the russians can win now again i think there are real problems with the global order i
00:56:23.080think there are real issues that need to be addressed but dugan is not doing this because
00:56:27.280he sees those issues though he does he does see those issues that is part of his work but mainly0.98
00:56:32.620he's doing this because he ultimately wants this global order to be destroyed so russia can be part
00:56:38.200of the new global order russia can have its own uh destiny it can make it can forge its own future
00:56:44.080that's where the hatred comes from not not because he actually thinks that white people are just over
00:56:48.880and don't you know maybe he thinks thinks we shouldn't exist i don't know if that's if that's
00:56:52.900really true i mean he's saying it here so you know i guess we can just believe him when he says it
00:56:57.900he also says whites are in uh have installed the liberalism and the capitalism worldwide0.74
00:57:04.220and among themselves that was a suicidal invention the worst perversion of the tradition0.77
00:57:09.280fate of whites is sealed going on was absolutely right it is the end my friends so again he looks0.95
00:57:16.100at not just whites or europeans but also the systems they produce again a very common communist0.97
00:57:22.800tactic, a very common deconstructionist postmodern tactic, is to look at the systems and say the
00:57:28.700systems are evil and therefore the people are evil. And it's really important that you understand
00:57:32.560that. Again, I'm not like this capitalist maximalist, but I do think that it is the best
00:57:38.580system for our people as we live our lives. I think it needs some pretty heavy revision in
00:57:43.880certain areas. I think it needs some pretty heavy controls. I don't think you can let Blackstone
00:57:48.060like own all of the homes in the United States and make it impossible for young people to start1.00
00:57:52.220families but this like complete rejection of capitalism for some other undefined system
00:57:58.220is ridiculous and he only doesn't like it because again his people lost at the game
00:58:04.040they couldn't keep up and so he sees these things as inherently evil now again i think liberalism0.81
00:58:10.100has a problem i think capitalism has you know some issues that need to be addressed but the
00:58:15.640idea that these are suicidal inventions that are just going to destroy the world again this is
00:58:20.220where it's very interesting right because that's why i wanted him to talk to nick land because
00:58:24.680nick land sees these as ethnic outgrowths of particularly the anglo-saxon tradition and the
00:58:32.200broader northern european understanding of the world nick land would absolutely see capitalism
00:58:37.240and liberalism as ethnically british and would say that our imposition of the systems on other
00:58:44.220peoples is actually rather normal right like this is whether you like it or not the way that the
00:58:50.520world works the truth is that successful civilizations want to expand they want to grow
00:58:56.760they want to impose their way of life on other people bad good it doesn't really doesn't matter0.96
00:59:02.920that's just a reality of human nature every civilization has done this it's just that white0.75
00:59:07.900people have currently been the most successful at doing this and that's what dugan hates he hates
00:59:12.900the success it's not that he recognizes something particularly malicious and whites or europeans
00:59:18.140he's just describing that as being particularly malicious because it's currently the system that's
00:59:22.820winning and he doesn't want that system to win he wants something else so he says this kind of stuff
00:59:28.840to try to drive people away from that system but nick land would say actually no that system taking
00:59:35.480over is entirely normal and natural and unavoidable and so again two guys seeing something from
00:59:42.700you know the the same angle at some level but with very different backgrounds and very different
00:59:49.240goals that completely shape and radically change the way that they understand the thing they're
00:59:53.260observing both of them are seeing something that's really happening that the ethnic traditions of the
00:59:59.020British were so successful that they were exported to the rest of the world sometimes by choice0.93
01:00:04.180sometimes by force but either way they are dominating the global sphere that is true but0.61
01:00:10.600the problem for dugan is that he can't out compete it so he just does this the west is totally in
01:00:18.040fall collapse still it pretends to be a hegemon ridiculous it's vanishing entity it should be0.93
01:00:23.460destroyed there's no reason it is trash to exist oh i think i already read that i must have scrolled0.97
01:00:27.840down some on there what's the one i didn't think uh let's see oh yeah here you go uh you are not1.00
01:00:35.540uh you are not the people you are stupid slaves of the epstein menu of cruel cannibal elites you1.00
01:00:41.560are eaten your brains are and it is why you watch euphoria it's a very weird poll why does he know1.00
01:00:48.520like this one tv show uh because all of you are perverts uh disgusting civilization no reason to0.99
01:00:55.420exist please die again at this point it's hard to say that dugan is just attacking the systems of0.99
01:01:01.640the United States or the supremacy of the United States or Europeans or whites. He is very0.99
01:01:07.320specifically saying, all of you are evil. All of you are stupid. All of you are perverts. You should1.00
01:01:12.820all die. You should not exist. So Dugan has no leg to stand on here. There's no explanation or1.00
01:01:20.040no way to smooth over what he's doing here. You can't say, oh, well, what he hates is the Western
01:01:25.880empire or what he hates is the the things that the west has done to people and those systems but
01:01:32.260he loves the people he still loves the culture he can still understand good no he's saying through
01:01:36.900and through your culture is uh is perverse everything about you the individual person1.00
01:01:42.520in the west in the united states is disgusting you all deserve to die there's no defense there1.00
01:01:48.440and you will not see me defend this in the slightest this is evil rhetoric dugan is using1.00
01:01:52.980evil rhetoric here because he's he's unmasking his true hatred again i think there are parts
01:01:59.540of dugan's philosophy that are useful that are insightful but this undercurrent has always been
01:02:05.380there and i recognize that even i was being told by other people that actually that's not really
01:02:10.480what it is and i've always called it out and i'm certainly going to call it out now like this is
01:02:14.960heinous and evil stuff dugan should not be doing this and there's really no reason for anyone to
01:02:21.200like trust this guy now again i don't think that invalidates the parts of his uh understanding
01:02:27.920that have been useful i'll still draw upon certain sections of his uh philosophy from time to time
01:02:34.440because look again i don't agree with plato on plenty of stuff i don't agree with uh you know
01:02:40.700lots of philosophers on stuff i still use parts of their philosophy but alexander dugan is not a
01:02:45.980person and he to be clear is a obvious enemy of the uh west you pretend russia is failing no
01:02:52.860that is you who is failing russia stands russia persists russia continues to be christian to be
01:02:58.560sacred to be normal to be human all the rest has gone mad we are we we cling to reason uh we cling
01:03:05.360to the reason to the order to the rules to the empire uh church people again it's just it's just
01:03:10.980russian supremacy right and and again we see this is why i kind of paired these two with hassan
01:03:15.680piker in this we can see that ultimately he gets angry at the supremacy of the west he gets angry
01:03:20.880at the systems of the west he gets angry at them for thinking that they're the only people who do
01:03:25.880the right thing but then he turns around and says exactly the same thing about russia he has exactly
01:03:30.580the same view so he understands how the system works he's just only tilting it towards the things
01:03:36.700he believes in he doesn't mind supremacy he just wants to be his supremacy he doesn't mind cultural
01:03:43.260exclusion. He just wants it to be his culture that is excluded. And this is always the case.0.74
01:03:49.400Again, so often this deconstruction, this postmodern deconstruction does take you down
01:03:55.040to the brass tacks and does reveal something true. But ultimately people who are doing it
01:04:00.300are almost always using it to then subvert and put themselves in that position. Dugan's right
01:04:06.400that at some level, the victory of liberal democracy and capitalism across the world0.75
01:04:13.400is an imposition of the West of white understandings of the world. That is actually0.68
01:04:18.620true at some level. But it's not that he thinks that then doing that is evil. He just wants to
01:04:24.560be the one that does it. He just wants Russia to be the one that has that supremacy, not the0.94
01:04:29.980United States. Western modernity is absolutely wrong in everything. Demonic. To be on the side
01:04:35.500of russia or iran or china of multipolarity it is to be on the side of being against the non-being
01:04:40.800so literally he is now doing funny enough something that carl schmidt warned against
01:04:49.140and dugan should know this i know he knows this because he's written extensively on carl schmidt
01:04:53.480i've talked to him about carl schmidt and carl schmidt warns that the first person who invokes
01:04:58.940humanity is cheating because when you say humanity you are trying when you say i'm doing this on
01:05:06.020the side of humanity what you're trying to do is say anyone who opposes me is not human
01:05:10.000you are dehumanizing your opponent and once you've dehumanized them you can do anything to them
01:05:15.400you can be as savage as you want to them so whenever someone tries to claim something
01:05:20.280for humanity on the side of humanity they are almost always using that to divide and dehumanize
01:05:25.700the other person and make anything okay to do to that person. Now, what Dugan is doing here,
01:05:34.580if you're familiar with Dugan's work at all, is he is saying that you are non-human. Because for
01:05:39.300Dugan, he's a follow of Heidegger. He believes in the idea of Dasein, and Dasein is the idea of
01:05:47.400being human. So if he says, we're on the side of being and against the non-being and the
01:06:39.600And so I want to make it clear where this all came from, that I think, ultimately, this is something that was always sitting under the surface of Dugan's work, something I've pointed out repeatedly, something I've decried repeatedly.
01:06:54.780but has now come to the forefront and become extremely obvious and uh obviously just like
01:07:02.560Hassan Piker I think it is wrapped up in a veneer of you know some kind of ideological justification
01:07:10.600some kind of sophisticated philosophical diagnosis which I think he's possible which I think he's
01:07:16.600capable of but ultimately this is just raw hatred this is raw hatred for the west for Americans
01:07:23.020for europeans for white people this is just complete bigotry and there's no place for it
01:07:28.440it should be denounced and i certainly denounce it all right guys let's go to the questions of
01:07:33.560the people here real quick joe mcdermott says he hates our beliefs re hassan sounds so similar to
01:07:43.200they they hate us for our freedom uh what he heard in that uh that we heard in the 2000s just
01:07:50.280interested uh just interesting to observe our political class have no concern for the former
01:07:55.680oh no absolutely i think that's ultimately correct um but uh yeah i mean i don't know i i think
01:08:03.120i think it's impossible for hassan to see the world in any other way
01:08:09.320and so i just don't think that he should be in a place he hates i think that's true of a lot of
01:08:15.540immigrants today. That's kind of why I coined the term paperwork Americans. Yeah. You've got people0.99
01:08:20.920like, um, what's her name? Uh, I on her or not, uh, no, I'm sorry. Not now. Uh, the Congresswoman.
01:08:29.760I don't know. I can't remember her name all of a sudden, but you have these people through who
01:08:33.640are Ilhan Omar. There we go. I don't know why I completely blanked on that. You have people like
01:08:37.820Ilhan Omar and she's reading, uh, you know, something off and she's trying to say world war
01:08:42.840two which doesn't know anything about the history she doesn't know anything about the country she0.99
01:08:46.040hates the country so when she reads it she says world war 11 now you can't be that dumb to think0.99
01:08:51.880that there have been 11 world wars but she is that dumb and only does is she that dumb she's so1.00
01:08:56.700foreign she's from such a different culture that she doesn't even like connect that world war two0.99
01:09:01.680is a significant event that like defined our entire civilization and so she doesn't even know1.00
01:09:07.620how to say it and same thing with Hassan Piker like he might speak English he might have some0.79
01:09:12.880American aphorisms in his bag but ultimately he comes from a foreign culture and he simply can't
01:09:18.580see the difference which ironically is like the charge he was making against white people right
01:09:23.320white people have these blind spots these inherent biases they can't see the problem
01:09:26.980well that he and neither can he right because that's his culture he can't see his blind spots0.84
01:09:32.240he can't understand his own assumptions this is just true about all humans but because of his
01:09:37.180hatred for westerners for white people he specifically attributes to them in the same
01:09:41.620way that dugan was sir blank says prime example of woke being more correct the founders were
01:09:48.160racist and that's a good thing you don't win a war against uh feathers with liberalism yeah i'd
01:09:55.220be careful of embracing the term racist um again you really don't want to invest in words that
01:10:03.400your enemies own and racism is definitely a term that enemies own uh that said did uh the founding
01:10:10.560fathers have a general understanding of european peoples being uh kind of their people and the
01:10:19.160core people that would make up the united states yeah i think that's true i mean again if you look
01:10:22.960at the uh immigration act of 1790 our first immigration law it talks about accepting white
01:10:29.120people like white men of good character basically and so like that's very obviously a position that
01:10:35.780a lot of founding fathers held uh so i think they understood that there was a certain level
01:10:40.500cultural compatibility that came with being from the same place and that you had to care now i
01:10:48.020think this is like for instance this super chat is a little uh mischaracterizing of some of the
01:10:54.000American beliefs because, for instance, if you look at Andrew Jackson, when he was looking at
01:10:59.940the Indians, the Native Americans at the time, he specifically allowed for Indians that wanted to
01:11:07.780integrate in America to do so. He didn't say all Indians have to be driven off their land into the
01:11:12.120West. He encouraged cultural assimilation, but he recognized that most of these guys were not
01:11:16.740going to assimilate and that it wasn't America's job to wipe out these people at the end of the
01:11:21.100day that they should be able to live their lives somewhere. So he made a deal and he said, look,
01:11:25.120if you want to assimilate to the United States, you can, but if you won't do that, then you do
01:11:29.600have to move out West. You do have to move onto reservations because our cultures are incompatible.0.86
01:11:34.200Either you join our culture, you completely immerse yourself and sublimate your previous0.97
01:11:38.060identity to the American identity, or you got to go. Right. And so I think that that in and of0.94
01:11:44.720itself shows that Jackson had some understanding of American culture as something that Indians0.99
01:11:50.400could join at the time but he understood most of them wouldn't so he kept the ones that would join
01:11:56.420and the rest he said you got to go west and a lot of people today think that's brutal but i think
01:12:01.180it's actually pretty understanding at the time so i think that's more a a real look at what our
01:12:07.820our understanding is and i had a i had uh george bagby on actually to discuss this if you want to
01:12:14.580get a better understanding he makes this point all the time i'm just taking it from him is that you
01:12:19.300know, Andrew Jackson was, you know, relatively understanding person when it came to diversity.
01:12:24.340He just understood it in this like, you know, sense of global diversity is good, but these
01:12:30.140cultures are separate. And so you do have to either conform to the American culture or separate from
01:12:35.540it. We don't want like your culture just being in the United States. That's unacceptable.0.99
01:12:42.960McDermott also says, in my opinion, Hassan's ideology doesn't get defeated because people
01:12:47.420prefer to defend to defend against it rather than attack because they're afraid of being xenophobic
01:12:53.200as long as that lasts we're going to lose ground yeah i mean there's there's some truth to that and
01:12:57.480that's why i'm more than comfortable with saying hasan has an ideology that's just not american
01:13:01.860it's foreign and that's where it should stay hasan would probably you know just prefer to live among
01:13:09.160people who understand the world the way he understands it and that's not americans uh so
01:13:13.560I don't think we should be shamed into not recognizing that fact.
01:13:17.620I think it's very easy to attack his ideology by saying it's simply a foreign