The Auron MacIntyre Show - Is Hasan Piker Right About White Supremacy？｜ 5⧸6⧸26

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00:00:33.680 All right, guys. So today I wanted to talk to you about white supremacy. It's something that we have

00:00:40.380 to hear about all the time from the left. They love to talk about how white supremacy is destroying

00:00:45.460 the country or the nation is founded in white supremacy or white supremacy is, you know,

00:00:50.520 making victims of everyone around the world and all the minorities here in the United States. 1.00

00:00:55.960 And, you know, Hassan Piker is one of these idiots who goes around. 0.99

00:01:00.280 I think a lot of people are familiar with him at this point. 0.99

00:01:03.020 He's a Internet streamer who makes a lot of money and gets a lot of attention for basically just talking about communism while playing video games all the time.

00:01:13.340 The man is, you know, he's well-connected.

00:01:16.840 He comes from a wealthy family.

00:01:18.060 He's the, I believe, Shank Ugar is like his uncle.

00:01:21.260 He's well-connected.

00:01:22.560 he's always wearing like expensive clothes and has expensive taste on this stuff but loves talking

00:01:27.880 about how you have to murder the capitalists in the streets i mean this is a guy who despite 0.96

00:01:32.480 charlie kirk being murdered continued to talk about how you need to kill conservatives you 0.90

00:01:37.600 need to hurt conservatives you need to go after capitalists you need to destroy the landlords

00:01:42.140 you know he's constantly advocating for political violence he's also been alleged i think relatively

00:01:48.420 credibly of shocking his dog on stream uh he'll have like this little remote it looks like he

00:01:55.340 tries to keep the dog on a pillow behind him by like constantly shocking the dog again uh hard

00:02:01.520 to 100 confirm but a lot of people have construed this from looking at his videos uh so he's somebody

00:02:07.560 who would like use an animal as a prop and hurt it ultimately if uh you know they if it's not doing

00:02:14.600 what he wants. I mean, this is a very common feature, unfortunately, of many cultures, including

00:02:19.160 the Middle East. They don't really care much for dogs often. They don't really treat animals very 0.96

00:02:25.700 well. People assume that this is kind of a normal thing, that everyone has respect for animals and

00:02:31.380 takes good care of them. But actually, that's not a universal. There are many cultures in which

00:02:35.940 animals are not well cared for. And so Hassan Piker is just kind of a disgusting human on every 0.95

00:02:41.340 level he's hypocritical uh you know he he is cruel to animals uh he's a guy who is constantly 0.99

00:02:47.400 talking about the destruction of the rich and and and the capitalists while flaunting his wealth 0.99

00:02:52.580 and and and you know kind of the opulent lifestyle he's he's he's like a champagne liberal but like

00:02:57.960 turned up to a thousand for kind of the newer generation uh really just kind of on every level

00:03:03.700 uh saying one thing but betraying it entirely with the way that he lives his life uh and collecting

00:03:09.800 like tons of money and attention for like all this anti-capitalist anti-rich rhetoric while

00:03:16.380 living the lifestyle he does and doing what he does i mean the very idea that you would complain

00:03:21.980 about capitalism while streaming eight hours a day making a ton of money doing it it's kind of

00:03:29.200 ridiculous and i'm not one of these people who thinks that like capitalism is perfect and it

00:03:33.880 has no flaws and you can't ever critique any aspect of it i think that we do have to have 0.64

00:03:39.800 some pretty serious balance issues when it comes to the effects of capital but hassan piker's not

00:03:45.760 talking about any of that like you know i'm not saying he can't have critiques while living inside

00:03:50.380 of a capitalist system i mean he leans very heavily into the contradictions he's a guy who 0.92

00:03:55.540 knows what he's doing is ridiculous at least should know what he's doing is ridiculous and

00:04:00.600 doesn't care because ultimately it continues to make money and it ends up allowing him to 0.92

00:04:07.460 create this fame and have this following. That said, he was recently giving an interview on

00:04:13.600 some show and he talked about white supremacy. And I thought that was pretty interesting

00:04:17.560 because while it's nothing new, it's none of the kind of different rhetoric than we usually hear

00:04:24.200 from the spoiled communists ultimately uh it it revealed some truth about kind of how

00:04:33.080 civilizations form uh he he what he's talking about in the clip that we're going to watch here

00:04:39.540 in a second is something that is got you know mostly it's gobbledygook but there's a few things

00:04:45.560 kind of shining through that tell you about kind of the way that he thinks about societies and how

00:04:52.640 their form, the human anthropology. And that dovetails in an interesting way with recent

00:04:57.860 comments that Donald Trump made about Anglo-Saxons. We had the King of England over. We're talking

00:05:04.260 about the 250th celebration of the United States in our history. And it is interesting that during

00:05:11.420 that visit, Trump decided to talk about the heritage of the United States and its connection

00:05:17.740 to anglo-saxons now it's very interesting because previously we got a speech that was

00:05:23.100 somewhat similar from marco rubio when he was talking about europe and encouraging them to

00:05:29.380 kind of come back and and have better relationships with the united states a little bit of a shift in

00:05:35.560 language from the administration when it comes to addressing the europeans he wanted to communicate

00:05:39.900 that we understood the shared heritage that americans had that our civilization flows from

00:05:44.860 European civilization. We're the descendants of this civilization. So there's a strong connection

00:05:50.540 between our two continents and a continuity of tradition and understanding. And that's something

00:05:58.240 you wouldn't have heard, I think, from an American Secretary of State in previous years.

00:06:06.080 But Donald Trump went even further. And he didn't just say, oh, well, it's a European tradition.

00:06:11.120 We have some connection to a general pan-European understanding.

00:06:16.060 But very specifically, we are founded in this Anglo-Saxon tradition from the United Kingdom.

00:06:23.220 Obviously, we made pretty serious modifications.

00:06:26.380 We eventually grew to become different people.

00:06:28.680 That's why we ultimately left, why we felt we needed political independence.

00:06:33.040 But of course, that was always there.

00:06:34.880 When the Founding Fathers were fighting for their rights, when they were talking about the rights that they would eventually make their way into our Constitution and the Bill of Rights, they were talking about the rights of an Englishman.

00:06:47.500 When they were trying to appeal before they ended up breaking away from England, all of their appeals were under their rights as members of the English Empire, specifically not just subjects of the English Empire, but people who were descended from that tradition, whose ancestors came from that land and who felt like they were owed the same rights.

00:07:12.240 It wasn't OK to treat Americans any different than you would treat a Englishman in England because we were supposed to be the same people at the time.

00:07:20.440 And so obviously, even though we've diverged in the meantime, we've become our own country and our own people.

00:07:26.540 Those roots still run very deep. And it was interesting of Donald Trump to singularly call on that Anglo-Saxon tradition and the way in which we are connected to it.

00:07:37.360 And so I want to play this clip and I want to talk a little bit about how those two ideas work in tandem and how Hassan Piker, despite being the spoiled communist idiot, kind of reveals a little bit of connectivity with what Donald Trump was talking about. 0.95

00:07:54.060 I'm not like automatically saying like you are the devil if you've had any positive associations with Israel because I understand that just like I understand where people are coming from with with with even white supremacist attitudes that they might have had, like the the residual white supremacist blind spots that they have that that end up rearing their head in their decision making. 0.94

00:08:19.160 um so a couple things here first you know there's been a lot of talk about israel

00:08:26.240 i'm sure you're tired of it i'm tired of it i think any sane person who isn't like

00:08:32.900 constantly obsessed with foreign countries and deranged about them really would just rather

00:08:39.520 not hear about israel anymore i wish i didn't have to talk about it anytime but unfortunately

00:08:45.440 we seem to be entering conflicts from time to time because Israel wants to, and that's a problem.

00:08:51.060 So I have to talk about it to some extent. But a lot of people who recognize that our relationship

00:08:57.360 with Israel is deeply unhealthy, which I think is correct, are suggesting that we team up with the 1.00

00:09:03.980 left because some people on the left have a similar view saying that Israel is a problem. 0.99

00:09:10.400 Now, the thing that you really want to watch out for is people who are trying to get you to change your beliefs or sublimate your other understandings so that ultimately you could ally with the left on this.

00:09:26.820 And the reason that's a problem is what Hassan Piker is going to kind of reveal here. 0.98

00:09:31.860 I mean, first, Hassan Piker is like, you know, a foreigner. 0.97

00:09:35.500 Yeah, like I don't I don't know his technical status of moving through the U.S. immigration system. 0.66

00:09:41.800 I don't know if he was born here. He naturalized at some level.

00:09:45.140 But obviously, his first allegiance, his real interests are pretty much all foreign.

00:09:49.480 He does not like the United States. He doesn't like the traditions. He doesn't like the systems.

00:09:53.260 he doesn't like anything about the country so i don't know if he technically has birthright

00:09:57.380 citizenship or if he at some point uh you know naturalized but either way it's a it's paperwork

00:10:02.920 americanism this guy in no way it would really identify as american loves the country cares

00:10:08.300 about the people of the country wants what's best for us you know once wants to perpetuate

00:10:12.680 uh what we've had throughout history that's just not who hassan piker is uh and so when hassan

00:10:18.540 piker is talking about the united states he reveals how much he really loathes the people

00:10:25.340 of the united states what we believe where we came from and he sees it all in a negative light

00:10:31.140 so i get why ultimately people see israel and our current unhealthy relationship with that country

00:10:40.360 as an issue but when you go out of your way to say no i need to ally with a guy who hates

00:10:45.580 me at a like base level like ontologically like my very being is offensive to him then i think

00:10:54.700 they are making terrible political calculations because the place that the friend enemy distinction

00:11:00.380 is drawn to go back to carl schmidt is the place at which um existential politics happens where

00:11:08.240 one side cannot tolerate the existence of another and it's very clear that hassan piker cannot

00:11:14.100 tolerate my existence, the existence of my country, the existence of my people, the existence of our

00:11:20.120 way of life, of our traditions. He hates those beliefs. He wants to wipe out those beliefs.

00:11:26.100 If he had his drithers, he would snap his fingers tomorrow and people like me and my family and the

00:11:32.780 things that I love would all disappear. So he could run his little foreign communist third 0.92

00:11:37.060 world utopia in the United States. So when I'm told that I need to ally with a guy like this,

00:11:43.300 I'm very suspicious. Now, that doesn't mean that I need to ignore any problems that might arise

00:11:50.140 from the relationship with Israel. It's very much the opposite. I care about the country. 0.77

00:11:54.580 And so it's very important that those things get addressed. But there is no world in which I'm

00:11:59.360 going to turn around and see this guy as someone who's on my side. And I don't think it's healthy

00:12:05.080 for other people to push this idea either. I don't think that there's any way to win

00:12:11.540 with Hassan Piker, which doesn't mean you then have to like side with Israel as like some

00:12:17.400 massive Israel booster. But the idea that this guy is ultimately going to not stab you in the

00:12:23.660 back the minute he has a chance is insane. And the idea that you're going to make him change

00:12:29.560 his ideology so that you can work together is also insane. What's going to happen is he's going

00:12:34.160 to say you have to leave all of your right wing or conservative beliefs behind so that you can

00:12:39.460 fit into his coalition and that's just not going to work out so wanted to get that out of the way

00:12:45.500 because that's just something that's been percolating through uh kind of the discussions

00:12:49.720 uh on online and uh you know social media and all youtube and all these places uh so i thought it

00:12:56.700 was important to address that uh you'll also notice that he starts talking about the blind

00:13:01.360 spots of white supremacy see here he's trying to explain like well i can i don't i don't condemn

00:13:06.480 eternally anybody who uh sided with israel uh because i get how that happens because you've

00:13:11.940 had a positive interaction just like i i see how people you know they have these blind spots

00:13:16.640 from white supremacy and when he says that they have these blind spots from white supremacy

00:13:21.860 another way to say that if you didn't like hate those people you've been load these people

00:13:26.180 with uh all of your beating or all of your being then you would understand that what what you're

00:13:33.560 really saying there is these people live in the way that many white people live. Many people of

00:13:38.500 European descent live. And because they live in that way, they don't understand the things from 1.00

00:13:45.060 my culture, which is probably true. But we'll see here in a second that Hassan isn't very reflective 0.65

00:13:52.520 of that fact. Yes, we live in a certain way, and that way is different than the way people live in

00:13:58.360 turkey. Yes, that is correct. And so we don't see all the things that Hassan Piker sees from his

00:14:06.740 worldview. And that's fine, because many of them are things we don't care about. And that's okay.

00:14:12.560 We get to live the way we want to live. And Hassan Piker doesn't get to come here and tell us

00:14:17.220 how we should be living our lives or what we should be seeing from his perspective. Because

00:14:22.880 he doesn't care what we see from our perspective, even though he's missing those things as well. 0.77

00:14:27.120 He's not really American. He doesn't really understand our perspective. He doesn't really care about the things we care about. And again, honestly, that's okay as long as Hassan's hanging out in Turkey. It's not an issue. People can live the way they want to live and they can have the traditions and the understandings that are natural to them as long as they're mainly living in the places where those things are normal.

00:14:51.060 The problem is when you move to the United States or Europe and then you explain those to those people that actually they should have been seeing this all along, that that's the way that life should have been all along and that you need to change Europe or the United States to fit into whatever he believes.

00:15:08.500 because america is in its foundation of white supremacist country this is very frustrating

00:15:16.520 for republicans to hear this is even frustrating for liberals to hear sometimes but it's just the

00:15:20.980 truth all right so again i'm not gonna embrace his verbiage here uh it's

00:15:29.180 inherently aggressive to say that you live in a supremacist society, but this is just

00:15:38.720 true about societies. Okay. So what makes a culture, a culture is that you all share a

00:15:48.340 tradition, a background, a belief, an orientation, a general direction in which you believe your

00:15:53.940 society should be going, a common vision of the good. These things are built on many factors. And

00:15:59.920 a lot of people will like to focus on one or the other. They'll say, oh, well, it's all about

00:16:03.960 religion, or it's all about language, or it's all about, you know, shared stories, or it's all about

00:16:11.060 blood. And the answer is, it's all of those things. It's all of those things that mix together. 0.67

00:16:18.700 And sometimes someone's missing one piece or another, but they still end up fitting into the

00:16:23.540 society because they mesh with all the other pieces but ultimately the truth is that civilization

00:16:29.660 societies are founded on this kind of monocultural understanding that okay we have these same

00:16:36.860 traditions we have the same religion we speak this language and if you've ever like tried to

00:16:42.340 read things from other languages you especially things that are difficult you start to see

00:16:48.040 how radically language shapes everything about how you perceive the world. If you read something

00:16:54.740 in German and it gets translated to English, you often have to stop and go back to the translation

00:16:59.540 and understand where those changes took place when you're trying to translate those words over,

00:17:05.040 those concepts over, because they aren't the same thing. There are words in German that just don't

00:17:09.800 exist in English. And if you try to translate the concept, you can do so poorly. Of course,

00:17:15.040 this is why people spend endless time debating about the Bible, because it's largely in a bunch

00:17:19.620 of languages that other people don't speak. And so they have to go back and they have to translate

00:17:24.140 it and they start arguing about which way this passage should be read or understood. And what

00:17:28.520 did this mean in the cultural context? There's a lot to the way that language radically shapes

00:17:34.280 our outlook. And that's just one aspect. Religion, again, these cultural norms, these folk ways,

00:17:39.900 you know these are all things that can very much shape our perception of the world and so when we 0.98

00:17:47.660 say that your culture is a supremacist culture well that's got to be true because that's what

00:17:55.100 cultures are that's how you form them you have to choose one thing that everyone shares and 0.76

00:18:02.740 generally because you all share it you see that as the superior way to do things that doesn't

00:18:09.020 mean you have to be ultra chauvinistic it doesn't mean you have to go around and say everyone else

00:18:14.820 is wrong though maybe you will that's fine but the point is that even if you're not like hostile

00:18:21.300 about this fact everyone should at some level have pride in their people their culture where

00:18:27.780 they came from their traditions everything about them they should have some level of understanding

00:18:33.880 that this is better and this is the way I want to live my life, right? So saying America is founded

00:18:40.820 in a white supremacist culture, the other way you could say that is America was founded by white 0.55

00:18:46.640 people who built their civilization the way that white people usually do. Now, even then, that's

00:18:53.180 not enough, right? And that's why I think that Trump's Anglo-Saxon comment is very important 0.95

00:18:58.100 Because America wasn't just founded in whiteness, it was specifically founded by Anglo-Saxons, and they built it in the way that Anglo-Saxons do. 0.58

00:19:08.320 There is a big difference between the way that white Anglo-Saxons and white Spanish people and white Germans and white people in many other countries understand the world.

00:19:21.840 Now, I think Europe is closer to each other, close enough to have kind of an almost pan-European understanding at some level.

00:19:31.400 We used to call this Christendom, by the way, because they all mainly shared the Christian faith.

00:19:36.920 And so we have this cultural and religious enmeshing that allows some level of overlap in Europe.

00:19:44.800 However, there's still very, very different cultures in Italy and in the UK.

00:19:50.220 Like these are both technically white or now considered white, I guess, in the modern term at some level. There used to be quite a bit of debate about that. But today, these are both considered white countries. But ultimately, even though they are white countries, they have very different backgrounds.

00:20:06.460 So even saying that America is founded in white supremacy doesn't really work because that's not exactly true. If anything, if you were going to use his terminology, it would need to be founded on Anglo-Saxon supremacy.

00:20:18.320 now again i think supremacy is a bad term i think it's a hostile term i don't think it's one that

00:20:23.520 you should embrace when you're trying to describe this scenario but he is at some level unveiling

00:20:30.600 an understanding that america was founded in this particular style in this particular mood

00:20:37.320 mode and this is always like the marxist breakdown right is they say something that's partly true

00:20:44.220 and then they take it to a hostile and ridiculous extreme and put their like murderous dangerous 0.96

00:20:51.320 disastrous ideology on top of it and this allows them to have like some level of insight to make

00:20:57.720 people say stop you know people wait and stop and say hey what's going on here but then they

00:21:03.340 follow it up with all this ridiculous nonsense and obviously Hassan Piker is doing that here

00:21:09.560 because he if he just wanted to explain how societies worked he would say well yeah America 0.67

00:21:13.700 is founded in like this anglo-saxon way but like all these other countries are founded in the ways

00:21:19.620 of their culture and they're built for their people turkey is built for the turks and you know

00:21:25.840 the different countries in africa are built for those peoples the countries in europe and asia

00:21:31.160 they're built for those people there's nothing wrong with that it's not there's nothing wrong

00:21:35.340 about japan centering its culture around japanese people there's nothing wrong with the chinese

00:21:42.220 centering their culture around chinese people that's what you're supposed to do why would you

00:21:46.940 make your society any other way but hassan specifically is angry at americans for living

00:21:54.220 in the way that americans live for founding their culture on anglo-saxon premises now why

00:22:00.540 what's specifically wrong about that well it's because he hates us and he wants to take over

00:22:07.680 what we have and so even though the country from which his parents came turkey is founded for

00:22:15.820 turkish people and serves their interests and it's founded in their culture and everything in

00:22:20.620 their society is founded in that way of being when hassan piker comes the to america whether again

00:22:26.780 i don't know if he's naturalized or born here but when he exists in this country he finds it

00:22:32.920 uncomfortable. Why? Well, because the systems weren't made for him. They weren't made for

00:22:38.480 people with his cultural assumptions. Now, the good news is that every culture throughout history

00:22:44.320 had some level of tribal assimilation. They had the ability of an outsider to like marry into the 0.60

00:22:51.820 tribe. Usually it was marriage, literally marriage that allowed that to happen. But they always had

00:22:56.960 some level of ability to adopt the outsider but this was slow usually generational you couldn't

00:23:04.480 be someone in an ancient culture an ancient tribe by just walking in and you know raising your hand

00:23:10.360 and saying you believe in some kind of principle you had to marry in you had to adopt the religion

00:23:15.480 you had to speak the language and even then you probably would never be part of that tribe

00:23:19.800 but maybe your child or your grandchild or your great-great-grandchild they would be because

00:23:24.620 after enough they kind of blend in they've never known anything else they've always had the

00:23:29.200 religion they've always had the language they've always and they share some level of heritage

00:23:33.220 because you've married into the tribe and so that that has always existed but that's a slow

00:23:39.240 individual process of multiple generations that's very complicated requires a deep amount of

00:23:45.240 enmeshing in the culture basically a entire sublimation of your previous identity to the

00:23:51.220 new tribal identity. But that's, of course, not what most modern immigrants are doing. It's 0.99

00:23:56.420 not what Hassan Piker is doing. He's showing up and he's not looking to assimilate. He's not

00:24:01.060 looking to marry in and adopt Christianity and speak English and embrace the way that the

00:24:07.340 Protestant work ethic works in the United States. No, he has no interest in any of that. In fact,

00:24:12.520 he hates all of that. So he uses these negative terms. Oh, it's white supremacist. No, it's just

00:24:18.540 it's just white it's just it's just anglo-saxon more specifically it's just what the country was

00:24:24.200 founded on of course it permeates everything we do of course it permeates all of our systems

00:24:29.400 that's the way we live it's the way we've always lived it's the way we want to continue to live 0.99

00:24:35.140 but he's here specifically to tell us that that's wrong and it's only really wrong for you white

00:24:41.480 people in the united states he's not advocating that the chinese or the koreans or the japanese 0.95

00:24:47.760 change their way of life so they can fit him he's telling you that you need to do it and you're evil

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00:25:08.520 right and so my assessment always is yeah there's gonna be some things that people say

00:25:18.520 that are going to be objectively heinous some uh implicit biases that they have but i don't treat

00:25:25.720 people that have so again hassan says oh people are gonna say these heinous things they're gonna

00:25:31.360 have implicit biases so this is this is this moment where hassan wants to pretend he has a

00:25:37.220 view from nowhere he has no biases you have the bias you have the implicit bias yeah we all have

00:25:44.660 biases we can't see except me i can see your biases and i'm better than you so hassan looks

00:25:50.880 at you and says well yes you might be adopting those because you have these inherent biases

00:25:55.660 but me i with my objective understanding of what is heinous as he says there it's objectively

00:26:01.520 heinous uh well you know what i find objectively heinous actually your your behavior so i guess

00:26:07.520 it's not objective so much as when you come into my culture and you tell me how to live my life and

00:26:13.820 how my people should stop existing or we are somehow evil for having a tradition and a heritage

00:26:20.640 and a shared religion and foundation uh actually i think i think that's heinous and you don't

00:26:26.460 because we don't share that understanding.

00:26:29.960 You think your understanding is objective

00:26:33.660 and that mind is biased.

00:26:35.600 And I could say the same thing back.

00:26:37.700 The point is we're both starting from places

00:26:39.620 that are radically different,

00:26:40.660 so different that you probably shouldn't be here, actually.

00:26:44.340 Actually, our understandings are so radically different

00:26:47.360 that you probably don't belong.

00:26:49.620 And that's why you feel bad here,

00:26:51.600 because you feel that lack of belonging. 0.65

00:26:53.740 Now, if you were an immigrant who was maybe a little culturally closer to the United States or had the level of dedication required to kind of truly sublimate your former identity to the U.S., it might be easier to work with. 0.97

00:27:08.720 But you're not that person at all. 0.99

00:27:10.620 You're somebody who expects to carry your traditions, your understandings from some third world country and bring it into the United States and impose it here. 1.00

00:27:19.340 And we don't want it. 1.00

00:27:20.480 So that's why it feels unwelcome. Because it is unwelcome. But Hasan Piker thinks that his understanding of the world is objective, and yours is subjective. And so therefore, your behavior is heinous, and you have the blind spots, and you have inherent bias. And he's this objective, rational actor, you know, because they perfected that in Turkey or something.

00:27:40.900 Those implicit biases as like permanent villains. I try to talk to them coming from a place of understanding and and and try to identify exactly how they arrived at that conclusion and then change their mindset and to hopefully help heal in that process and to ensure that they don't fall into those same traps again.

00:28:03.180 so you know hassan piker he he wants to re-educate you basically i'm gonna pull you out of your 0.76

00:28:10.920 cultural context and teach you that everything you believe about the world is wrong uh and i don't 0.94

00:28:16.340 hate you i'm just i'm just trying to rewire your brain to really hate your people and think that

00:28:21.680 you shouldn't live the way of life that you have now again the reason i pulled this clip it's not 0.89

00:28:26.560 very long and it's really not even that stand out but like i said i thought it was an interesting

00:28:31.500 contrast to Trump's embrace of the Anglo-Saxon identity. I've made this reference many times,

00:28:38.300 but in case you want some more academic and objective understanding, we have guys who are

00:28:45.240 writing books like Who Are We? And I think that the book is so great because ultimately it talks

00:28:52.840 about the founding of America as an Anglo-Saxon nation. You know that ultimately that Samuel

00:29:00.380 Huntington is not some radical right winger he was a Harvard professor basically a center leftist

00:29:05.820 but he understands enough about the history of the country and he's honest enough about its

00:29:10.840 development to admit that ultimately yes the United States is an Anglo-Saxon country and if

00:29:17.360 we're going to maintain some kind of cultural identity if America is going to be more than an

00:29:21.440 economic zone more than some place for guys like Hassan Piker to show up and collect their video

00:29:26.100 game check, then that means it's going to have to remember its roots, where it came from. Now,

00:29:32.100 that doesn't mean that it won't develop over time and that it won't add new people along the way,

00:29:37.060 but they have to assimilate to something. What are they assimilating to? Is it white supremacy?

00:29:42.980 Well, no, but it is white. It is Anglo-Saxon more specifically, because that's what the culture was

00:29:50.880 founded on. That's what permeates everything that we believe in, our court system, our understanding

00:29:56.740 of rights, our understanding of customs. How should you get married? How should you take care

00:30:02.660 of children? Who has the responsibilities in families? Would we allow someone to hurt an 0.98

00:30:09.720 animal if it's theirs? Would we allow someone to chop off the genitals of a child to say that 0.98

00:30:16.320 they're something that they're not like these are all culturally informed norms and they're not the 0.99

00:30:21.700 same everywhere and in iran they trans all the gay people to make sure that they don't have any 0.71

00:30:26.800 gays there's no gay people in iran because once you've made a man into a woman he's not gay anymore 0.98

00:30:32.760 right he just wants to be with dudes and now he's a woman now i think that's insane right like that 0.94

00:30:40.560 makes no sense in my world view but that is the world view in iran a place that many people think

00:30:46.120 of as far more traditional than the united states there's nothing traditional about trans surgeries

00:30:51.200 and men can't become women but in iran that is literally how they see the world and you know what

00:30:58.180 if they're not trying to kill me it's not really my business that's how they want to do things 0.84

00:31:03.800 that's how they want to see things okay but that's not how i see them that's not how people from the

00:31:09.240 anglo-saxon tradition generally saw it throughout history unfortunately there has been some radical

00:31:15.360 leftist uh you know change you know on that understanding and that's why we had to endure

00:31:20.260 all the woke insanity and the gender wars and everything else that we were dealing with

00:31:24.340 but like that's just not how we think and how we think informs everything it informs how we do

00:31:31.660 basic stuff like drive it informs how we bank it informs how we write things it it really just

00:31:40.040 permeates every aspect of a culture. Cultures just drip with these inherent assumptions about

00:31:46.100 the world. How far do you stand from someone in line, right? If you are trying to have a

00:31:53.580 conversation with somebody and you're from Northern Europe, you stand further away from 0.99

00:31:58.780 them than if you were a North African. They stand very close when they're trying to have a 1.00

00:32:02.980 conversation. Is one of them inherently right? Is one of them inherently wrong? Or is this just the

00:32:08.540 way they live their lives now i'm not saying i'm a cultural relativist i do think things are right

00:32:14.000 and wrong but i'm just saying there are assumptions so deeply baked into every culture that they're

00:32:20.120 not going to recognize that most of the time and i don't think there is actively an object objectively

00:32:25.140 correct distance to stand when you're talking to someone but i'm still going to stand at the

00:32:29.980 distance that europeans stand because that's how i was raised that's how all the people around me

00:32:35.140 behave right and so when Hassan Piker pretends like this is some kind of weird evil thing that

00:32:42.320 people have an inherent culture and inherent belief and that the systems and structures

00:32:46.960 the criminal justice systems the education systems the financial systems that a society 0.92

00:32:53.000 produces are somehow evil because they don't conform to the Turkish understanding well that's 1.00

00:32:59.360 dumb and I don't want somebody in my country who's going to sit around and tell me that well 0.99

00:33:03.660 really i'm not a good person unless i'm willing to completely conform to their foreign understanding 0.99

00:33:09.580 that's ridiculous america was founded on anglo-saxon principles it was found in anglo-saxon

00:33:15.300 culture religion everything and that heritage is central to our identity some people have joined

00:33:24.740 it some of it has changed over time but that's still our core and so yeah it's true that you

00:33:31.760 might find it alien. If you come to the United States from Africa or from Japan, you might

00:33:37.660 walk into the United States and find it very strange. And if I go to Japan or some part

00:33:42.040 of Africa, I would probably find the way you do things strange too. And that's the beauty 1.00

00:33:46.660 of real global diversity. You can live in the way you want to live and I can live in

00:33:52.120 the way that we're supposed to live. And it's fine. We don't have to force each other to

00:33:56.900 change unless you're trying to do this forced diversity thing where and that's what happens

00:34:04.340 when when we try to do this guys like Hassan come in and start lecturing us about the way

00:34:08.320 we should be doing things because it is alien to them they don't like it it doesn't make sense to

00:34:14.820 them and so they try to force their way of life onto us and that would be extremely rude if I 0.88

00:34:22.480 went to japan and i suddenly showed up there and said yeah i know i'm i'm i moved here a few years

00:34:28.000 ago or you know i was born here because my my dad was visiting and and but i but i am just as

00:34:33.880 japanese as you are and i get to tell you what japanese people should do so i'm going to tell

00:34:38.800 you uh you got to stop eating with chopsticks because civilized people use forks and you can't 0.99

00:34:43.900 be eating that raw sushi stuff civilized people cook their food like that would be stupid and 1.00

00:34:49.060 that would be rude. I would, if I was in Japan, I would try my best to respect their culture 0.96

00:34:55.040 while understanding that I am always at some level going to be alien and foreign. And I would 1.00

00:34:59.480 not expect them to change what they do in order to please me. I would not complain that Japanese

00:35:05.920 buildings are built too small for me because Japanese people are generally smaller than people 1.00

00:35:12.160 from the United States. I'm not going to complain that the Japanese don't have all their signs in 0.94

00:35:17.200 english or that they don't observe the customs that i observe i'm not going to complain that

00:35:21.980 they don't give people the rights i think people should have because it's their culture and i'm

00:35:26.700 visiting they're the ones that get to decide their way of life and i don't get to is that japanese

00:35:32.960 supremacy sure whatever i don't think that verbiage is good i think again it's meant to be

00:35:37.940 hostile but the point is every piece of japan's structure is built for japanese people and it

00:35:44.100 should be that's right and proper and true and that's the way the world should work and that's

00:35:50.160 why you can tell actually what's happening here is anti-white hatred because Hassan Piker again 0.70

00:35:55.320 would never say this to a Japanese person but he will gladly say it to you because he thinks that

00:36:01.340 white people are the only people who shouldn't have this kind of understanding they shouldn't

00:36:07.280 have homelands they shouldn't have cultures all white cultures should conform to whatever man in 0.99

00:36:12.100 Turkey tells them to conform to. But it's fine if Turkey has its own culture. It's fine if Iran 0.97

00:36:17.580 has its own culture. It's fine if China has its own culture because they're not white. And so 0.98

00:36:23.120 they're allowed to do that. And that double standard is dumb. Again, it doesn't mean you 1.00

00:36:28.440 need to be like super djangoistic. It doesn't mean you have to hate all these people who are outside

00:36:34.400 of your country and think that your way is the only possible way. But you certainly can't come 0.98

00:36:41.140 into my country and tell me that your way is the only possible way. That's definitely not going to

00:36:45.260 happen. And so I think it's really important that Donald Trump was willing to go out and say,

00:36:50.360 we are an Anglo-Saxon culture. That is the reality. And that does form every aspect of 0.94

00:36:57.860 our tradition. When we're celebrating that 250th anniversary of America, we are celebrating her

00:37:04.520 heritage. And at some level, that heritage is Anglo-Saxon. And so that means we will be

00:37:09.780 celebrating many things that are exclusive to and elevated by Anglo-Saxon culture. And that's good. 0.76

00:37:16.360 That's a good thing. There's nothing wrong with that. You don't need to be ashamed of it.

00:37:20.400 You don't need to be scared of it. You don't need to be mean about it. It doesn't mean you

00:37:25.780 have to hurt other people or go out of your way to be off of the people who don't believe or don't

00:37:30.580 see the world the way you do. But that's exactly what Hassan is doing. And he's doing it under

00:37:35.580 the guise of somehow being more compassionate, which is, of course, the most leftist thing of

00:37:39.660 all, being more hateful while pretending to be more compassionate. All right, guys, I also wanted

00:37:45.520 to show you a little bit of a crash out that occurred on social media here recently. Let me

00:37:51.480 bring that up. So obviously, I have read pretty deeply into the works of Alexander Dugan. If

00:38:00.240 you've been on this channel before, you've probably seen that I have a whole five-part series going

00:38:05.560 through his work on the fourth political theory with Michael Millerman. I've had him on my show,

00:38:12.960 both as an individual interview and as a debate with Nick Land, which I think is a really good

00:38:18.160 show. If you haven't seen that, you should check that out.

00:38:23.000 But as I've done that, many people have asked me, what are you doing with this? Because Alexander

00:38:30.180 Dugan is a controversial figure. And if you go back and you watch my, uh, videos on Alexander

00:38:38.060 Dugan, especially the ones on the fourth political theory, I point out several times that in that

00:38:43.060 book and in other places, but very specifically in that book, since that's what we were going on,

00:38:47.380 on that Alexander Dugan is pretty hostile to the West to the point where he literally says that

00:38:53.120 it has to be destroyed, uh, that it's bringing about the end times that it's like the great

00:38:57.440 satan uh alexander dugan is uh like most thinkers uh a mixed back right i a lot of people will tell

00:39:06.800 me that alexander dugan is just not a real philosopher he's a sham all these things and i'm

00:39:11.880 sorry that just isn't true i get that i'm not like the top expert in philosophy but i know a decent

00:39:19.440 amount and i know enough to know that alexander dugan knows what he's talking about he just does

00:39:25.200 he knows the philosophy he is discussing you can disagree with him and i do very often but he is a

00:39:31.640 man who understands something and i think it's dumb to go around when we're trying to grasp these

00:39:37.580 really important things that are very complicated and avoid thinkers we don't like or don't agree

00:39:43.980 with because ultimately uh there's like something magical and forbidden about trying to understand

00:39:51.420 what's going on, right? I think that the James Lindsays of the world and the Joel Berries of

00:39:56.780 the world who are running around and going, naughty boy, naughty boy, you read somebody I don't like,

00:40:02.120 you read somebody who said something that was mean, and therefore you believe all those things. 0.99

00:40:06.740 I think that's ignorant. I think that's dumb. I think that's short-sighted. And I think it's just 1.00

00:40:11.080 mean. I think it's a lie. It's terrible behavior. We have to be able to be intellectually curious.

00:40:17.240 We have to be willing to look at thinkers we might disagree with.

00:40:21.180 I've looked at a lot of thinkers on the show that I've disagreed with.

00:40:25.440 I have read John Locke.

00:40:27.480 I agree with some of the things he said, and I disagreed with some of the things he said.

00:40:30.920 I've read Plato, and I agree with some of the things he said, and I disagree with some of the things he said.

00:40:35.800 Leo Strauss is somebody who I disagree with on a number of things, but I still think he's worth reading because he reveals some interesting things about the world.

00:40:43.220 Carl Schmidt very controversial guy literally a member of the Nazi party I disagree with him on

00:40:48.820 that but he still has really valuable things to tell us and so he's worth reading and so I think

00:40:54.740 that's just something we need to become comfortable with this this guilt by association is so leftist 0.63

00:41:00.600 it's ridiculous and I'm saying all that because Alexander Dugan did this like really horrible

00:41:06.500 crash out on twitter yesterday and a lot of people started to like take those pictures and you know

00:41:13.640 say oh well oran mcintyre interviewed this guy oran mcintyre's talked about this work he's 0.99

00:41:18.260 platforming alexander dugan and that was just some of the most dumb ridiculous like highly feminine 0.98

00:41:26.900 leftist performative nonsense i have ever seen it was a bunch of conservatives doing it because they 0.99

00:41:32.740 all wanted to prove that like obviously i am more intellectually pure than you or they just didn't

00:41:38.380 like me and they thought this is one some way to like gotcha me but of course if you go back and

00:41:43.400 you watch any of those episodes i point out repeatedly that this has always been part of

00:41:48.600 dugan's work that he's always been anti-western that he's always had kind of this progressive

00:41:53.080 post-modern tone to his critiques of the west that he is constantly attacked the idea of kind

00:42:01.000 of like collective european peoples as somehow being destructive especially americans as being

00:42:06.800 destructive to some kind of greater human project in fact if you watch those episodes you'll even

00:42:12.860 notice that i talk about those concerns when uh you know with millerman and millerman says oh well

00:42:19.860 you know he's worried about what the left has become and the neoliberalism and he's talking

00:42:23.760 about destroying that he doesn't mean the american people he likes the american people he likes

00:42:28.140 european people he just doesn't like the the things that that have been produced or the things

00:42:33.520 that have gone off track and i say specifically in those episodes actually i don't think that's

00:42:39.120 true i think dugan wants to be dead like i think alexander dugan genuinely like sees himself as an

00:42:45.460 opponent of my people and our way of life and wants to see it destroyed and he's like no no that's not

00:42:50.540 the case i'm like yeah i think it is so i think i've established pretty well you know in the past

00:42:56.360 that I always knew this about Dugan and this is something we need to be wary of you know at in

00:43:01.800 the same way that I've read several different leftist authors to better understand what they

00:43:07.120 believe and even understood some of their points that ultimately I don't agree with the worldview

00:43:13.640 because they hate me and hate my people and they want me dead and so yeah I can say well that might

00:43:19.140 be right in some sense or he is outlining an interesting idea there and that might help me

00:43:23.740 to understand where leftists are coming from or why the systems they're, you know, kind of

00:43:29.160 proposing are working the way that they do. But it doesn't mean that I in any way endorse or agree

00:43:35.440 with them. I hate that those things. I hate that they're trying to produce those things,

00:43:40.440 but I want to understand them. So I'm going to read. I'm going to understand them. And the same

00:43:45.040 is true of Alexander Dugan. I'm not going to apologize for reading or even talking to somebody

00:43:50.360 who i've been clear from the very beginning is somebody who i don't think likes the west wants

00:43:55.220 to hurt the west just because it makes someone uncomfortable i needed to understand things i

00:44:01.060 want to talk through and grasp these things one of the reasons i wanted to put alexander dugan

00:44:05.720 and nick land in a room is that while they see the same outline the same contour they see the

00:44:12.360 same board they both have radically different understandings of where we should be going and

00:44:16.260 what we should be doing and so i thought it would be very interesting to put two people who have

00:44:21.080 explored the same philosophical place but came from two very different traditions and funny

00:44:26.680 enough when i had nick land and alexander dugan on both of them recognized and admitted that their

00:44:32.080 differences tended to be because of their ethnicity and their traditions that their ethnic

00:44:37.180 understandings of the world shaped their disagreement so right there we see a reflection

00:44:43.280 of exactly what we were just talking about with Hassan Piker that as even on the like the very

00:44:49.280 deep philosophical level that I think both Dugan and Land occupy still like that baked in ethnic

00:44:55.700 assumption and structuring of kind of their mind in the world the way they see the world

00:45:00.160 literally shapes everything including you know how they understand these philosophical questions

00:45:06.260 and I think that's a really interesting and rich thing to explore and I don't think that means you

00:45:11.280 have to take on their understanding in any way shape or form that said let's go through the crash

00:45:16.960 out and see what dugan was saying so dugan says and i'm going to read these from bottom to top

00:45:23.200 because he didn't post them as a thread so they're i'm reading them in chronological order but from

00:45:28.300 bottom to top look is there at least one argument why the u.s shouldn't be erased from the face of

00:45:34.180 the earth okay so you can kind of see that dugan's not a fan and again he said this in his book

00:45:39.760 multiple times and i pointed that out multiple times dims equal globalists are uh uttermost 0.99

00:45:46.600 perverts epstein gop equals idiots epstein uh interesting phrasing there uh trump and zionists 1.00

00:45:54.820 uh of all kind equal maniacs pedophiles epstein is there some other argument if you if not you 1.00

00:46:02.800 are due yeah uh alexander dugan i think there are actually plenty of arguments uh actually 0.71

00:46:08.840 the u.s is not just the democrats and the republicans like we understand actually there

00:46:14.600 seems to be a general problem with our ruling class and it needs to be addressed i'm willing

00:46:19.580 to admit that there's a problem with our ruling class i think that's why he's trying to put

00:46:23.460 epstein after everything to link it all together um but you know ultimately while there are problems

00:46:29.060 with the ruling class they are not all of america in fact much of our ruling class is fed up with

00:46:35.160 these current structures and is looking for something different and something new.

00:46:39.760 So while there might be problems with the Democrats and the Republicans, while I might 1.00

00:46:44.740 even personally not like that Trump is in, I think, an unhealthy relationship with the Israeli

00:46:51.420 government, ultimately, that does not mean that everything the United States does is wrong or

00:46:57.540 that we should be erased from the face of the earth. That's insane. It's like me saying that

00:47:03.540 Dugan should be erased from the face of the earth because I don't like his current government. 0.98

00:47:08.780 That's insane. Like, again, you can like or dislike Vladimir Putin, but, you know, the USSR 0.96

00:47:15.660 was existing under a, you know, a terrible government. And then you have the oligarchs

00:47:20.640 in Russia. Should Russia have been eliminated when the corrupt oligarchs were running it? 0.93

00:47:26.280 Should it have been erased from the face of the earth because the elites at the time were bad 0.98

00:47:30.820 people. I mean, this is exactly the kind of language he hates from the U S this is the kind

00:47:36.180 of language he hates from Israel, right? That, that the U S is superior and everybody else needs 1.00

00:47:42.260 to get in line or, or, or get wiped off the face of the earth. This is the, again, this is the same

00:47:47.000 problem that Hassan Piker has. Dukin is acting as if he is somehow in this objective view from

00:47:53.300 nowhere, just like Hassan Piker was, and that there are no blind spots for him. And, and his, 0.65

00:47:58.160 everything that was wrong with his society is forgivable but the u.s should be wiped from the 0.95

00:48:02.840 face of the earth so this is this is just terrible reasoning and again you know obviously english is

00:48:10.540 not his first language as you can tell from the post uh but but the rhetoric here is absolutely

00:48:15.500 ridiculous moving on he says is there at least one argument why the eu shouldn't be erased from 0.96

00:48:21.380 the face of the earth liberal left globalist uh total lgbt perverts zionist right genocide 0.98

00:48:29.320 supporters there's still uh there's still normal right uh and normal left what is uh what is it 0.80

00:48:37.580 but they are minorities so again i mean i'm not a big fan of the eu as an organization if he means

00:48:43.820 like the european union would be better off if it collapsed at some level yeah probably but i don't

00:48:49.960 think that's what he's talking about because he certainly didn't make the differentiation with the

00:48:53.120 u.s he didn't say the u.s government he just said the u.s right so if he means like europe is just

00:48:58.280 lost because there's a bunch of globalists uh you know and perverts on the left well okay but like

00:49:04.360 i hate to break this to you while russia does have a thin veneer of uh kind of reactionary

00:49:10.140 understanding to it uh there's a lot of degeneracy in russia okay there's lots of abortion there's

00:49:16.280 lots of alcoholism the birth rates are terrible you know marriage rates all these things i'm not

00:49:22.720 saying that the dunk on russia i wish them nothing but the the best but that's not what dugan's doing

00:49:29.080 here he's not addressing any of his country's own problems he's just saying that oh well uh the you 0.98

00:49:36.600 the europeans should be destroyed because like ultimately you know they're all these terrible

00:49:42.140 things now I agree there's plenty of problems with Europe some of the things he's pointing out 0.99

00:49:46.640 are correct there some aren't but like ultimately this is a ridiculous way to understand what's

00:49:52.540 going on because again he would never look at his own country and have the same conclusions 0.61

00:49:57.820 he would say okay yeah maybe those things are bad but like ultimately you know Russia could be

00:50:03.680 saved or we're on the right track or we're going to turn things around and that's how you should

00:50:07.420 view your country so I don't need this guy coming around and telling me that because there's something 0.98

00:50:11.360 wrong with america or europe that we have to be wiped off the face of the earth screw you man like 0.99

00:50:15.820 russia needs to be wiped off the face of the earth because you guys have like insane abortion 0.99

00:50:20.440 rates is that the plan no i don't think so again it's just one-sided hatred it has no consistency 0.96

00:50:26.760 which is very disappointing because dugan is a rigorous thinker in other areas but it's very

00:50:31.840 clear that when he gets on social media we get this kind of slop then he says the west is totally

00:50:37.440 in fall collapsed still it pretends to be a hegemon ridiculous it's a vanishing entity it should be 0.99

00:50:44.120 destroyed there's no reason uh to this uh reason to this trash to exist so again just just unhinged 0.97

00:50:52.400 hatred here right like it's not like dugan doesn't want russia to be a hegemon in its area he wants 0.69

00:50:59.020 it to be a regional hegemon like he wants his country to be strong now i think there is some

00:51:05.180 truth to the fact that the U.S. may not be able to maintain its global supremacy. I think that

00:51:11.280 we probably will not be able to maintain our global hold. But the idea that the U.S. is like

00:51:17.980 completely a paper tiger and it's fallen and collapsed, sorry, no, like America isn't going

00:51:24.660 anywhere. It might change its role at some level, might have to dial back some of its global

00:51:28.820 adventurism. I think that'd be wise, both for other countries, but mainly and most importantly

00:51:34.080 for the united states but the idea that that means it needs to be destroyed that it's you know some 0.97

00:51:38.980 kind of trash again screw you like you're it's not like russia isn't trying to control its area it's 0.98

00:51:45.560 not like it's not trying to have a geopolitical order that favors it and this is underlying much 0.99

00:51:50.780 of what dugan does now that's fine right dugan is a russian propagandist i've said that a million

00:51:55.420 times and i'll say it again i've always said that about dugan he is a philosopher he's also a russian

00:52:01.240 propagandists. He is both. He does both. So his philosophy is insightful at some level,

00:52:08.260 but when he starts pushing it, you have to remember he's always pushing it from an interest

00:52:13.200 in Russian supremacy. He doesn't hate supremacy. He just wants Russian supremacy. And so he is

00:52:20.280 going to say and do what he needs to benefit his people. So when you read his philosophy,

00:52:24.940 you always have to have that mind. You always have to take it with a grain of salt. You can't

00:52:29.640 just read it uncritically. That's a failure always with philosophy. Now Dugan gets even spicier.

00:52:39.740 Dugan says, whites, they are destroyed. They are destroyed. Those are his words. I'm not 0.99

00:52:45.820 reading it incorrectly. They are destroyed the world and themselves. To be white means to be

00:52:49.840 a nihilist. It is self-hatred race. It caused so many troubles to others and to itself. It lost 1.00

00:52:59.500 the right to be something no argument to support their existence so you'll notice again that he

00:53:04.560 does this thing that piker does right he just collapses all of the west into white right now

00:53:12.000 some people like that some people just want there to be this pan european white identity that spreads

00:53:18.340 from all of europe into america and australia and these other places i don't think that's actually

00:53:24.580 the healthiest thing i'm not saying that white isn't real or isn't an actual coherent concept

00:53:30.380 at some level it is but i think that especially when you're attempting to criticize different

00:53:36.820 peoples and specific cultures you have to drill down on it are the problems in the u.s the same

00:53:42.520 as the problems in australia are they the same as the problems in germany are the same the problems

00:53:46.720 of the uk are the same as the problems in italy i mean some of them are the same but then some of

00:53:52.420 problems are the same in china overall these are still distinct nations and distinct peoples and 0.95

00:53:57.740 they have different problems so just saying white people have destroyed the world okay thanks buddy 1.00

00:54:03.120 i i'll go read my robin d'angelo and learn how to be a better white person like this is dumb and 0.99

00:54:10.680 this again this has always been part of dugan's work i pointed it out when we were reading it 0.92

00:54:14.480 at the time this is nothing new so people who are like oh oren mcintyre shocked by what he said no

00:54:20.320 it's it's what he's always said and i've always said it's wrong i've always said it's dumb i've

00:54:24.980 always said that it's the stupidest part of dugan's understanding now you might say well oren why is 0.99

00:54:30.820 he saying that are russians white well it's complicated right um you know white is such a 0.99

00:54:38.740 again it should be a simple term but it's not because it's a political category it's a racial

00:54:45.160 category it's a cultural category all simultaneously and then in some ways not at all right and that's

00:54:53.100 why these terms are always so difficult and a guy like dugan who doesn't really speak english that

00:54:57.300 well trying to translate his thoughts into it is always sloppy but he knows better than this 0.80

00:55:02.260 right like to think that all whites have destroyed the world and that means they should exist but 0.96

00:55:07.460 he's not including russia in there like yes russians have a paler skin uh but they don't 0.97

00:55:12.540 see themselves necessarily as European. In fact, especially Dugan, he sees himself as Eurasian,

00:55:17.600 right? They're a Eurasian civilization, literally founded this idea of Eurasianism or at least

00:55:24.060 advances this idea of Eurasianism. And so he doesn't really see his culture as part of the

00:55:30.220 white world, the Western world, because for him, these are the same things. But just like Piker,

00:55:35.000 this is something that is incredibly unspecific and unuseful. If he had a specific critique of

00:55:41.460 american culture or british culture there might be some use to that but it's not it's just white

00:55:46.320 people in general and so this comes off as ethnic hatred this comes off as race hate because it is

00:55:52.900 he sees white people as somehow distinct from russians and somehow uniquely responsible for

00:56:00.240 the destruction of the world now what he really means is that white people have been successful 0.53

00:56:06.540 successful and because they built the global order because they were successful it undermines 0.88

00:56:11.700 russia which it does and so he sees that hegemony that world order is something that must be torn

00:56:18.140 down so the russians can win now again i think there are real problems with the global order i

00:56:23.080 think there are real issues that need to be addressed but dugan is not doing this because

00:56:27.280 he sees those issues though he does he does see those issues that is part of his work but mainly 0.98

00:56:32.620 he's doing this because he ultimately wants this global order to be destroyed so russia can be part

00:56:38.200 of the new global order russia can have its own uh destiny it can make it can forge its own future

00:56:44.080 that's where the hatred comes from not not because he actually thinks that white people are just over

00:56:48.880 and don't you know maybe he thinks thinks we shouldn't exist i don't know if that's if that's

00:56:52.900 really true i mean he's saying it here so you know i guess we can just believe him when he says it

00:56:57.900 he also says whites are in uh have installed the liberalism and the capitalism worldwide 0.74

00:57:04.220 and among themselves that was a suicidal invention the worst perversion of the tradition 0.77

00:57:09.280 fate of whites is sealed going on was absolutely right it is the end my friends so again he looks 0.95

00:57:16.100 at not just whites or europeans but also the systems they produce again a very common communist 0.97

00:57:22.800 tactic, a very common deconstructionist postmodern tactic, is to look at the systems and say the

00:57:28.700 systems are evil and therefore the people are evil. And it's really important that you understand

00:57:32.560 that. Again, I'm not like this capitalist maximalist, but I do think that it is the best

00:57:38.580 system for our people as we live our lives. I think it needs some pretty heavy revision in

00:57:43.880 certain areas. I think it needs some pretty heavy controls. I don't think you can let Blackstone

00:57:48.060 like own all of the homes in the United States and make it impossible for young people to start 1.00

00:57:52.220 families but this like complete rejection of capitalism for some other undefined system

00:57:58.220 is ridiculous and he only doesn't like it because again his people lost at the game

00:58:04.040 they couldn't keep up and so he sees these things as inherently evil now again i think liberalism 0.81

00:58:10.100 has a problem i think capitalism has you know some issues that need to be addressed but the

00:58:15.640 idea that these are suicidal inventions that are just going to destroy the world again this is

00:58:20.220 where it's very interesting right because that's why i wanted him to talk to nick land because

00:58:24.680 nick land sees these as ethnic outgrowths of particularly the anglo-saxon tradition and the

00:58:32.200 broader northern european understanding of the world nick land would absolutely see capitalism

00:58:37.240 and liberalism as ethnically british and would say that our imposition of the systems on other

00:58:44.220 peoples is actually rather normal right like this is whether you like it or not the way that the

00:58:50.520 world works the truth is that successful civilizations want to expand they want to grow

00:58:56.760 they want to impose their way of life on other people bad good it doesn't really doesn't matter 0.96

00:59:02.920 that's just a reality of human nature every civilization has done this it's just that white 0.75

00:59:07.900 people have currently been the most successful at doing this and that's what dugan hates he hates

00:59:12.900 the success it's not that he recognizes something particularly malicious and whites or europeans

00:59:18.140 he's just describing that as being particularly malicious because it's currently the system that's

00:59:22.820 winning and he doesn't want that system to win he wants something else so he says this kind of stuff

00:59:28.840 to try to drive people away from that system but nick land would say actually no that system taking

00:59:35.480 over is entirely normal and natural and unavoidable and so again two guys seeing something from

00:59:42.700 you know the the same angle at some level but with very different backgrounds and very different

00:59:49.240 goals that completely shape and radically change the way that they understand the thing they're

00:59:53.260 observing both of them are seeing something that's really happening that the ethnic traditions of the

00:59:59.020 British were so successful that they were exported to the rest of the world sometimes by choice 0.93

01:00:04.180 sometimes by force but either way they are dominating the global sphere that is true but 0.61

01:00:10.600 the problem for dugan is that he can't out compete it so he just does this the west is totally in

01:00:18.040 fall collapse still it pretends to be a hegemon ridiculous it's vanishing entity it should be 0.93

01:00:23.460 destroyed there's no reason it is trash to exist oh i think i already read that i must have scrolled 0.97

01:00:27.840 down some on there what's the one i didn't think uh let's see oh yeah here you go uh you are not 1.00

01:00:35.540 uh you are not the people you are stupid slaves of the epstein menu of cruel cannibal elites you 1.00

01:00:41.560 are eaten your brains are and it is why you watch euphoria it's a very weird poll why does he know 1.00

01:00:48.520 like this one tv show uh because all of you are perverts uh disgusting civilization no reason to 0.99

01:00:55.420 exist please die again at this point it's hard to say that dugan is just attacking the systems of 0.99

01:01:01.640 the United States or the supremacy of the United States or Europeans or whites. He is very 0.99

01:01:07.320 specifically saying, all of you are evil. All of you are stupid. All of you are perverts. You should 1.00

01:01:12.820 all die. You should not exist. So Dugan has no leg to stand on here. There's no explanation or 1.00

01:01:20.040 no way to smooth over what he's doing here. You can't say, oh, well, what he hates is the Western

01:01:25.880 empire or what he hates is the the things that the west has done to people and those systems but

01:01:32.260 he loves the people he still loves the culture he can still understand good no he's saying through

01:01:36.900 and through your culture is uh is perverse everything about you the individual person 1.00

01:01:42.520 in the west in the united states is disgusting you all deserve to die there's no defense there 1.00

01:01:48.440 and you will not see me defend this in the slightest this is evil rhetoric dugan is using 1.00

01:01:52.980 evil rhetoric here because he's he's unmasking his true hatred again i think there are parts

01:01:59.540 of dugan's philosophy that are useful that are insightful but this undercurrent has always been

01:02:05.380 there and i recognize that even i was being told by other people that actually that's not really

01:02:10.480 what it is and i've always called it out and i'm certainly going to call it out now like this is

01:02:14.960 heinous and evil stuff dugan should not be doing this and there's really no reason for anyone to

01:02:21.200 like trust this guy now again i don't think that invalidates the parts of his uh understanding

01:02:27.920 that have been useful i'll still draw upon certain sections of his uh philosophy from time to time

01:02:34.440 because look again i don't agree with plato on plenty of stuff i don't agree with uh you know

01:02:40.700 lots of philosophers on stuff i still use parts of their philosophy but alexander dugan is not a

01:02:45.980 person and he to be clear is a obvious enemy of the uh west you pretend russia is failing no

01:02:52.860 that is you who is failing russia stands russia persists russia continues to be christian to be

01:02:58.560 sacred to be normal to be human all the rest has gone mad we are we we cling to reason uh we cling

01:03:05.360 to the reason to the order to the rules to the empire uh church people again it's just it's just

01:03:10.980 russian supremacy right and and again we see this is why i kind of paired these two with hassan

01:03:15.680 piker in this we can see that ultimately he gets angry at the supremacy of the west he gets angry

01:03:20.880 at the systems of the west he gets angry at them for thinking that they're the only people who do

01:03:25.880 the right thing but then he turns around and says exactly the same thing about russia he has exactly

01:03:30.580 the same view so he understands how the system works he's just only tilting it towards the things

01:03:36.700 he believes in he doesn't mind supremacy he just wants to be his supremacy he doesn't mind cultural

01:03:43.260 exclusion. He just wants it to be his culture that is excluded. And this is always the case. 0.74

01:03:49.400 Again, so often this deconstruction, this postmodern deconstruction does take you down

01:03:55.040 to the brass tacks and does reveal something true. But ultimately people who are doing it

01:04:00.300 are almost always using it to then subvert and put themselves in that position. Dugan's right

01:04:06.400 that at some level, the victory of liberal democracy and capitalism across the world 0.75

01:04:13.400 is an imposition of the West of white understandings of the world. That is actually 0.68

01:04:18.620 true at some level. But it's not that he thinks that then doing that is evil. He just wants to

01:04:24.560 be the one that does it. He just wants Russia to be the one that has that supremacy, not the 0.94

01:04:29.980 United States. Western modernity is absolutely wrong in everything. Demonic. To be on the side

01:04:35.500 of russia or iran or china of multipolarity it is to be on the side of being against the non-being

01:04:40.800 so literally he is now doing funny enough something that carl schmidt warned against

01:04:49.140 and dugan should know this i know he knows this because he's written extensively on carl schmidt

01:04:53.480 i've talked to him about carl schmidt and carl schmidt warns that the first person who invokes

01:04:58.940 humanity is cheating because when you say humanity you are trying when you say i'm doing this on

01:05:06.020 the side of humanity what you're trying to do is say anyone who opposes me is not human

01:05:10.000 you are dehumanizing your opponent and once you've dehumanized them you can do anything to them

01:05:15.400 you can be as savage as you want to them so whenever someone tries to claim something

01:05:20.280 for humanity on the side of humanity they are almost always using that to divide and dehumanize

01:05:25.700 the other person and make anything okay to do to that person. Now, what Dugan is doing here,

01:05:34.580 if you're familiar with Dugan's work at all, is he is saying that you are non-human. Because for

01:05:39.300 Dugan, he's a follow of Heidegger. He believes in the idea of Dasein, and Dasein is the idea of

01:05:47.400 being human. So if he says, we're on the side of being and against the non-being and the

01:05:55.520 The West is the non-being.

01:05:57.780 He's saying we're not human.

01:05:59.320 And if we're not human, you can do whatever you want to us.

01:06:03.080 So Dugan is trying to dehumanize the West and say, you can treat them however you want.

01:06:07.040 You can hurt them.

01:06:07.920 You can treat them like non-humans because they aren't.

01:06:10.920 And again, this is something he would characterize as demonic from the West, but he is doing exactly that.

01:06:16.700 He is falling into exactly the same frame that he is purporting that the West has fallen into.

01:06:25.520 He is doing the exact thing that, ironically, Carl Schmitt, who he has studied and talked about extensively, warns you not to do.

01:06:32.960 So, like I said, just wanted to go over this because I've talked about the man at length.

01:06:37.480 I've talked about his work.

01:06:38.720 I've talked to him.

01:06:39.600 And so I want to make it clear where this all came from, that I think, ultimately, this is something that was always sitting under the surface of Dugan's work, something I've pointed out repeatedly, something I've decried repeatedly.

01:06:54.780 but has now come to the forefront and become extremely obvious and uh obviously just like

01:07:02.560 Hassan Piker I think it is wrapped up in a veneer of you know some kind of ideological justification

01:07:10.600 some kind of sophisticated philosophical diagnosis which I think he's possible which I think he's

01:07:16.600 capable of but ultimately this is just raw hatred this is raw hatred for the west for Americans

01:07:23.020 for europeans for white people this is just complete bigotry and there's no place for it

01:07:28.440 it should be denounced and i certainly denounce it all right guys let's go to the questions of

01:07:33.560 the people here real quick joe mcdermott says he hates our beliefs re hassan sounds so similar to

01:07:43.200 they they hate us for our freedom uh what he heard in that uh that we heard in the 2000s just

01:07:50.280 interested uh just interesting to observe our political class have no concern for the former

01:07:55.680 oh no absolutely i think that's ultimately correct um but uh yeah i mean i don't know i i think

01:08:03.120 i think it's impossible for hassan to see the world in any other way

01:08:09.320 and so i just don't think that he should be in a place he hates i think that's true of a lot of

01:08:15.540 immigrants today. That's kind of why I coined the term paperwork Americans. Yeah. You've got people 0.99

01:08:20.920 like, um, what's her name? Uh, I on her or not, uh, no, I'm sorry. Not now. Uh, the Congresswoman.

01:08:29.760 I don't know. I can't remember her name all of a sudden, but you have these people through who

01:08:33.640 are Ilhan Omar. There we go. I don't know why I completely blanked on that. You have people like

01:08:37.820 Ilhan Omar and she's reading, uh, you know, something off and she's trying to say world war

01:08:42.840 two which doesn't know anything about the history she doesn't know anything about the country she 0.99

01:08:46.040 hates the country so when she reads it she says world war 11 now you can't be that dumb to think 0.99

01:08:51.880 that there have been 11 world wars but she is that dumb and only does is she that dumb she's so 1.00

01:08:56.700 foreign she's from such a different culture that she doesn't even like connect that world war two 0.99

01:09:01.680 is a significant event that like defined our entire civilization and so she doesn't even know 1.00

01:09:07.620 how to say it and same thing with Hassan Piker like he might speak English he might have some 0.79

01:09:12.880 American aphorisms in his bag but ultimately he comes from a foreign culture and he simply can't

01:09:18.580 see the difference which ironically is like the charge he was making against white people right

01:09:23.320 white people have these blind spots these inherent biases they can't see the problem

01:09:26.980 well that he and neither can he right because that's his culture he can't see his blind spots 0.84

01:09:32.240 he can't understand his own assumptions this is just true about all humans but because of his

01:09:37.180 hatred for westerners for white people he specifically attributes to them in the same

01:09:41.620 way that dugan was sir blank says prime example of woke being more correct the founders were

01:09:48.160 racist and that's a good thing you don't win a war against uh feathers with liberalism yeah i'd

01:09:55.220 be careful of embracing the term racist um again you really don't want to invest in words that

01:10:03.400 your enemies own and racism is definitely a term that enemies own uh that said did uh the founding

01:10:10.560 fathers have a general understanding of european peoples being uh kind of their people and the

01:10:19.160 core people that would make up the united states yeah i think that's true i mean again if you look

01:10:22.960 at the uh immigration act of 1790 our first immigration law it talks about accepting white

01:10:29.120 people like white men of good character basically and so like that's very obviously a position that

01:10:35.780 a lot of founding fathers held uh so i think they understood that there was a certain level

01:10:40.500 cultural compatibility that came with being from the same place and that you had to care now i

01:10:48.020 think this is like for instance this super chat is a little uh mischaracterizing of some of the

01:10:54.000 American beliefs because, for instance, if you look at Andrew Jackson, when he was looking at

01:10:59.940 the Indians, the Native Americans at the time, he specifically allowed for Indians that wanted to

01:11:07.780 integrate in America to do so. He didn't say all Indians have to be driven off their land into the

01:11:12.120 West. He encouraged cultural assimilation, but he recognized that most of these guys were not

01:11:16.740 going to assimilate and that it wasn't America's job to wipe out these people at the end of the

01:11:21.100 day that they should be able to live their lives somewhere. So he made a deal and he said, look,

01:11:25.120 if you want to assimilate to the United States, you can, but if you won't do that, then you do

01:11:29.600 have to move out West. You do have to move onto reservations because our cultures are incompatible. 0.86

01:11:34.200 Either you join our culture, you completely immerse yourself and sublimate your previous 0.97

01:11:38.060 identity to the American identity, or you got to go. Right. And so I think that that in and of 0.94

01:11:44.720 itself shows that Jackson had some understanding of American culture as something that Indians 0.99

01:11:50.400 could join at the time but he understood most of them wouldn't so he kept the ones that would join

01:11:56.420 and the rest he said you got to go west and a lot of people today think that's brutal but i think

01:12:01.180 it's actually pretty understanding at the time so i think that's more a a real look at what our

01:12:07.820 our understanding is and i had a i had uh george bagby on actually to discuss this if you want to

01:12:14.580 get a better understanding he makes this point all the time i'm just taking it from him is that you

01:12:19.300 know, Andrew Jackson was, you know, relatively understanding person when it came to diversity.

01:12:24.340 He just understood it in this like, you know, sense of global diversity is good, but these

01:12:30.140 cultures are separate. And so you do have to either conform to the American culture or separate from

01:12:35.540 it. We don't want like your culture just being in the United States. That's unacceptable. 0.99

01:12:42.960 McDermott also says, in my opinion, Hassan's ideology doesn't get defeated because people

01:12:47.420 prefer to defend to defend against it rather than attack because they're afraid of being xenophobic

01:12:53.200 as long as that lasts we're going to lose ground yeah i mean there's there's some truth to that and

01:12:57.480 that's why i'm more than comfortable with saying hasan has an ideology that's just not american

01:13:01.860 it's foreign and that's where it should stay hasan would probably you know just prefer to live among

01:13:09.160 people who understand the world the way he understands it and that's not americans uh so

01:13:13.560 I don't think we should be shamed into not recognizing that fact.

01:13:17.620 I think it's very easy to attack his ideology by saying it's simply a foreign

01:13:21.800 ideology that doesn't belong here.

01:13:23.480 Like we can go through the rational reasons why it doesn't work.

01:13:26.480 And those reasons will be true.

01:13:27.980 But the deepest understanding is really that Hassan believes that ideology

01:13:31.560 because he's not from here.

01:13:34.340 He, 0.97

01:13:34.540 he isn't really American. 0.79

01:13:36.040 He doesn't really hold our values or our beliefs.

01:13:38.440 So he comes to different conclusions and that's fine.

01:13:40.740 He can come to those conclusions in Turkey,

01:13:42.280 just not here.

01:13:43.560 sir blank says great men are often greatly right and wrong very true and very important in fact

01:13:51.040 extremely important i actually just had a pastor on yesterday we were talking about uh king david

01:13:56.920 and how he is listed as being uh you know one after god's own heart like someone that god loved

01:14:02.700 more than than than than others right and like the reason is not because he was morally upstanding

01:14:10.500 David often sinned greatly. 0.97

01:14:12.220 You know, he was a murderer and an adulterer, 0.91

01:14:14.100 betrayed his friend in a very real sense, 0.99

01:14:16.920 and doomed his first son with that woman to death.

01:14:20.300 But ultimately, David was a man of action.

01:14:22.580 He was a great man.

01:14:23.960 And great men do awesome and terrible things simultaneously.

01:14:27.920 The capacity is the same.

01:14:29.840 That's true about human nature.

01:14:31.580 So if you're going to be doing great things,

01:14:33.220 you might also be doing terrible things.

01:14:35.180 In fact, you probably will.

01:14:36.800 In fact, you might have to do terrible things to do great things.

01:14:38.840 That's why very few people are great because they can't stomach that.

01:14:43.340 And that's okay.

01:14:44.260 Not everybody has to exist in that space.

01:14:46.720 Not everyone can exist in that space.

01:14:48.480 That's why we call it greatness because it's stands apart,

01:14:51.340 but we should understand that.

01:14:53.080 Yeah.

01:14:53.560 When we look back at great figures,

01:14:55.800 figures,

01:14:56.400 they will have flaws and that's okay because like that's human nature.

01:15:01.060 No great leader is,

01:15:02.280 is capable of greatness without also being capable of something terrible.

01:15:06.500 And that's just something we have to accept.

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