The Auron MacIntyre Show - Is the Right Uniquely Vulnerable to Assassination？｜ Guest： Titus Techera

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00:00:34.900 All right, guys. I think it's been pretty obvious here recently that, unfortunately, the left has decided that assassination is a real viable plan for them in their political playbook.

00:00:45.120 More and more leftists seem to be moving to a position where they are trying to justify what happened to Charlie Kirk.

00:00:51.360 And it is a big problem because it seems like the right may have a particular vulnerability to assassination attempts,

00:00:59.460 as if that might be something that could strike down critical leaders in a moment where otherwise there is not the opportunity to carry on their legacy.

00:01:07.220 Talking to me about that today is Titus Tecria.

00:01:10.460 He is the executive director of the American Cinema Foundation.

00:01:14.780 Thank you so much for coming on, man.

00:01:17.020 Hey, Oren.

00:01:17.740 Oren, thanks much for having me on.

00:01:20.200 Obviously, last time we met at NatCon, we were both speaking there, and it was a much nicer world.

00:01:26.820 It felt like maybe you're going to make a good speech.

00:01:28.820 Maybe you've got a good panel.

00:01:29.940 Maybe you impressed the right people.

00:01:31.700 Somebody young and ambitious is going to try to do something to help the country.

00:01:37.520 But it didn't look like we were looking at any downside.

00:01:41.120 Maybe you're not winning much, but you're not losing anything.

00:01:43.600 And then the week right after, everything changed.

00:01:47.220 And now it turns out we're moments from catastrophe.

00:01:51.560 And, you know, we're moments from catastrophe because we're not as famous as Charlie Kirk.

00:01:57.620 He's not moments from catastrophe.

00:01:58.900 He's past catastrophe.

00:02:00.280 He's dead.

00:02:01.660 And you're more famous than me, so you're next.

00:02:03.960 And if they get you, then, you know, maybe even nobody's like me are next.

00:02:07.080 You don't know what's going to happen because you have no idea how the attractions of the game play out.

00:02:14.380 How important does it feel to be murdering people?

00:02:19.080 I've never, I'm not a murderer, first of all, even an amateur, and I've never really given this thought.

00:02:25.740 But then you see it on the news and you begin to think, oh, my Lord, I never thought it would be this way.

00:02:30.980 And also, it makes so much sense that some crazy person is going to do this because it's just wall-to-wall coverage with so many people running coverage for you.

00:02:41.180 And there's only one side that's losing here, and it's us.

00:02:47.260 There's no balance of power.

00:02:50.540 There's no balance of terror.

00:02:51.840 There's no balance.

00:02:52.560 We are not in a situation where we can say, look at your things, look at my things.

00:02:59.000 Maybe we should calm down before somebody's stuff gets burned.

00:03:02.820 There's no possible equivalence.

00:03:04.760 There's no possible correlation.

00:03:07.000 And, you know, the willingness to commit murder and the sort of ragtag army of psychopaths who are going to do it, they're not equal on both sides.

00:03:18.480 We don't have those kinds of things.

00:03:20.060 But also, for another reason, it's because only one side is willing to lay blame or ascribe responsibility or deny responsibility.

00:03:30.600 And on the other hand, on our side, even congressmen are out there.

00:03:34.600 What are they doing these last couple of weeks, Oren?

00:03:36.620 They're talking about unity and reconciliation.

00:03:40.520 Senators, congressmen, crazy ladies out there.

00:03:44.120 Like, aren't you afraid even a little that this is a problem?

00:03:47.360 We've been going through a decade of this.

00:03:49.260 It started with Steve Scalise saving a bunch of people from mass murder at the Congressional Republican baseball game.

00:03:55.680 And then, obviously, Trump got shot and he faced a second assassination attempt.

00:04:00.500 When does it stop being funny?

00:04:02.260 When does it stop saying, ha, ha, you know, OK, you tried.

00:04:06.960 You don't get to try a second time.

00:04:08.800 You don't.

00:04:09.120 How do you shake hands, on the other hand, with congressmen or with your president if you're a Republican?

00:04:12.740 And then go ask for reconciliation with the people who are trying to murder them.

00:04:17.100 And then, of course, there was an attempt on, you know, Supreme Court justice.

00:04:20.460 Kavanaugh faced threats.

00:04:21.560 Amy Barrett faced threats.

00:04:23.700 These are credible threats that led to an arrest.

00:04:26.100 This is not a joke.

00:04:27.140 Again, it's not funny.

00:04:28.520 Ha, ha.

00:04:29.580 And now somebody actually gets murdered.

00:04:30.980 When do Republicans stop saying, you know, we need reconciliation here.

00:04:36.580 We need some unity.

00:04:37.540 This is a time for unity.

00:04:39.740 Or we should grieve.

00:04:41.460 That's the thing that annoyed me the most.

00:04:43.960 Especially liberals telling people, you should be grieving differently.

00:04:47.320 The way people on the right grieve is not right.

00:04:50.020 People on the right are supposed to go through the five steps of grief or some insane thing liberal psychologists come up with.

00:04:54.700 What you're supposed to be is angry.

00:04:56.560 Not grieving, but angry.

00:04:57.820 You should be scared as well.

00:05:00.420 If you're not out there speaking publicly, you should be scared for the people you admire and support publicly.

00:05:06.240 I don't think anybody who ever, you know, supported Charlie Kirk with his vote, with his money, with his applause, ever thought, I'm setting this guy up for death.

00:05:15.240 But it turned out that way.

00:05:20.460 I'm a little ahead of myself here.

00:05:22.320 I'm somewhat hot-headed about this stuff.

00:05:24.240 I'm sorry.

00:05:24.580 I'm, but, but this is the reality people with, I'm not saying what is the future.

00:05:31.980 I'm saying what is the present?

00:05:33.560 What is the recent past going back from 2017 to now?

00:05:36.340 What is Trump-era politics really?

00:05:39.000 And it's these two things.

00:05:40.260 On the one hand, you can say it's lone wolf freelance psychopath murderers, but there is also something behind them.

00:05:47.740 There's an ideology, there is a movement.

00:05:51.120 Transgender is not just some crazy person or their little cult.

00:05:54.080 It's also Supreme Court rulings like Bostock.

00:05:56.940 It's also a lot of public decisions.

00:05:59.120 It's, you know, crazy Democrats going up on a stage like they did back in 2020 when they nominated Joe Biden.

00:06:04.800 And you have a bunch of insane politicians saying transgender is the civil rights question of our generation.

00:06:10.860 And then there's psychopaths in the media saying, I've got a child here that we're trying to mutilate who's going to ask you a transgender question.

00:06:18.560 What is this here?

00:06:19.780 Like, this isn't Dorothy on a journey to mutilation in, you know, Wizard of Oz.

00:06:24.480 Like, this is crazy.

00:06:27.440 But they were doing it on TV.

00:06:28.760 We're wondering why somebody might end up taking it a few steps further.

00:06:32.520 It was already crazy there.

00:06:35.200 What were the few steps further going to do to make any difference?

00:06:39.360 When is anybody going to say on the right note, this stops?

00:06:43.040 There's law in this country.

00:06:44.540 There's a public authority that is voted on.

00:06:46.860 We know what the consent of the government amounts to.

00:06:49.400 We know what law and representation and everything that means I'm taking responsibility for the American people.

00:06:55.400 You know, with their consent.

00:06:57.120 We know what that means.

00:06:58.900 But is anybody going to do it?

00:07:01.600 And everything, you know, are you in government or are you out there organizing support for government, which is what Charlie did.

00:07:08.240 They're all working on let's restore law and order.

00:07:12.200 Let's restore a constitutional government in a situation that's crazy.

00:07:17.380 And then, you know, one of them gets shot like Trump, but he makes it.

00:07:20.820 And the other one gets shot like Charlie and he doesn't.

00:07:23.900 How are you going to have government without Trump?

00:07:26.660 How are you going to have government without Charlie Kirk out there?

00:07:29.460 You know, not just talking to young people, but actually organizing the voters.

00:07:33.420 The get out the vote work.

00:07:34.980 My friends say that's why we want Arizona.

00:07:37.740 Charlie Kirk was doing this.

00:07:39.380 These are not trivial matters.

00:07:41.280 This is why these people get shot.

00:07:42.820 They are not trivial people.

00:07:43.820 They are important people and they are, in a way, America and America's last hope, at least for civil political transformation done in full view of the public.

00:07:53.480 You know, I always thought Charlie Kirk isn't saying tough stuff, but it turned out he was the courageous man.

00:08:01.860 And everybody who, like me, is saying tough stuff out there on X isn't getting shot yet.

00:08:05.520 Who was actually taking his life in his hands?

00:08:08.760 You know, it was him, not me.

00:08:12.420 Hopefully, I wouldn't be a coward about it if it came to time, but he actually proved the point and the rest of us didn't.

00:08:19.440 And that requires acknowledgement, both of his courage and of the situation in which he acted.

00:08:27.360 He probably knew things that we don't talk about enough or think about enough.

00:08:31.720 And he eventually got killed.

00:08:34.220 That's what happens.

00:08:35.260 Do you want to support the consent of the government or do you want to enact it once you're voted into office or appointed and you have a legal mandate?

00:08:44.940 Either way, you are in danger of your life.

00:08:47.160 This is the real situation of law and order in America.

00:08:50.420 Again, it's not predicting the future.

00:08:52.300 We're just catching up to right now.

00:08:54.500 This is what happened in the run-up to, you know, the funeral the other day.

00:08:59.160 Can people see it?

00:09:00.460 Somehow, all of us out there talking media, we're just trying to catch people up to reality.

00:09:05.200 Not the future, but the recent past and the present.

00:09:07.920 On this basis, we could make our decisions.

00:09:11.060 There is no other basis on which we can make our decisions.

00:09:14.380 Everything else is fantasy land.

00:09:17.160 Yeah, I agree 100%.

00:09:19.000 And I think a really important contrast that you drew there was kind of the state the right was in at an event like NatCon, where it was, okay, we've won.

00:09:28.040 We're governing now.

00:09:29.100 We're making changes.

00:09:30.140 Maybe we're happy or unhappy with different aspects of how far we've gone.

00:09:34.760 There are ways we can improve.

00:09:35.960 But now we are, just a few weeks later, in a radically different space.

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00:10:40.400 All right, Titus, so like you were saying, when both of us were at NatCon, the right was in a very interesting position,

00:10:45.860 because in some ways it felt a little bit like the dog who had caught the car, and it was trying to figure out what to do, right?

00:10:52.920 We knew that Trump had entered office with this mandate.

00:10:55.420 We had seen strong opening moves from the Trump administration.

00:10:59.400 Many Trump administration officials were there trying to kind of let us know where they were at and what they were trying to do.

00:11:04.620 At the same time, there were many of us who felt like, yes, good progress had been made,

00:11:08.920 but we needed to see more action.

00:11:10.820 We needed to go further down this road.

00:11:12.960 We needed to take this opportunity seriously.

00:11:15.500 However, the understanding was we were in the driver's seat, that we were still, in a way, doing politics as normal,

00:11:24.040 that we were still in the same political environment where elections happened, and then you received a mandate,

00:11:29.340 and then you took action on behalf of the American people.

00:11:32.680 But the thing that no one almost kind of strikingly at the NatCon spoke about was the fact that Donald Trump had been shot.

00:11:41.580 In fact, it almost never came up, and that's pretty significant because it tells you where our mentality is at right now.

00:11:49.460 The news cycle moves so quickly.

00:11:51.600 People are so ready to chase the next thing.

00:11:53.960 They are so willing to abandon whatever the last topic was that even a full-on political assassination attempt that wounded the president and killed Corey Compator.

00:12:05.060 Let's not forget, a man was murdered that day.

00:12:07.600 In front of his family.

00:12:09.540 Right.

00:12:10.180 Protecting his family.

00:12:11.600 The man died protecting his family, covering himself in glory, but covering the rest of us in shame because ultimately the left never paid a price for this.

00:12:19.660 They never paid a price, and that was always a very dangerous way to go about this.

00:12:26.220 We all wanted to move on.

00:12:27.420 We all wanted to get back to normal.

00:12:29.060 We all wanted to pretend that the America that we knew and grew up with was still there.

00:12:33.880 But something had fundamentally changed, and we were not willing to acknowledge it.

00:12:38.100 When JFK was shot, obviously it was terrible, but half the country was not sitting there celebrating the death of JFK.

00:12:45.140 You didn't see half of the country saying, well, I didn't agree with everything he said, and he probably deserved it.

00:12:51.460 And, well, you know, he's a terrible person, but I guess you shouldn't shoot.

00:12:54.440 No.

00:12:54.920 It was a giant national morning.

00:12:58.260 Even you look to 9-11 and the unifying event that that was.

00:13:02.300 Yes, eventually people looked at maybe some of the responses and said this was not the way to go.

00:13:07.680 But in that moment, everyone was unified.

00:13:09.800 They knew that the most important thing was supporting America, grieving the loss, preparing for some kind of retributive action.

00:13:17.960 But here we are today, and despite the fact that no action was taken on Trump, we now see the death of Charlie Kirk.

00:13:25.320 And yet again, we have so many, like you said, congressmen, politicians, Trump officials, and even, of course, big-name conservative influencers saying, no, no, whatever you do, there can be no cost paid.

00:13:40.340 There can be no cost paid.

00:13:41.880 That's what the left does.

00:13:42.940 It's not what we do.

00:13:44.540 And I think it's really important because, of course, I have spoken to many people behind the scenes.

00:13:49.460 As you say, Charlie Kirk knew things we didn't know, right?

00:13:52.580 He was getting death threats all the time.

00:13:54.200 Many conservative influencers are getting swatted.

00:13:56.780 They're getting death threats on a regular basis.

00:13:59.700 But now I know very specifically there are several conservative influencers after this assassination tip.

00:14:06.220 They have not seen a turning down of the temperature.

00:14:08.380 They have seen relentless death threats, even more than they have ever seen before, more credible, more thorough.

00:14:15.880 The left is ratcheting up its violence in response to the death of Charlie Kirk.

00:14:20.340 And they are doing that because they don't think they're going to pay a cost.

00:14:24.200 They really don't.

00:14:25.220 And they have every reason to believe that to be true.

00:14:28.320 And when we were discussing this, you made, I think, a very good point before we got on air about why the right is particularly vulnerable to assassination.

00:14:38.500 Why removing figureheads like Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump seems much more impactful than it would be if it was on the left.

00:14:47.180 Because there's a very deep divide between the MAGA base and the Republican leadership.

00:14:53.900 And the only thing that's currently tying those two groups together, the actual political apparatus and the voters, the actual Americans, are personalities like Donald Trump and Charlie Kirk.

00:15:04.800 Without them, the base simply cannot be heard by the institutions and the institutions simply do not respond to the base.

00:15:13.140 Can you talk a little bit about why those structures are so important?

00:15:16.540 Yeah, so we are in a situation where we are barely beginning to climb through the elite institutions.

00:15:24.660 Like your show, Blaze, you know, I invited my friend Matt Peterson, Ian Seed Blaze to be on my panel.

00:15:32.100 We go back a decade, a decade back, Matt and I were talking about what would you do if you tried to move in the direction of media?

00:15:39.420 That is not just what we studied in political philosophy, but what Americans actually believe and they're dealing with on a daily basis.

00:15:45.940 Can you move them in that direction?

00:15:48.000 And, you know, back in 2017, I didn't know you, but it turned out that the idea was right.

00:15:53.900 Look at America, look at that real America.

00:15:55.660 There will be people out there.

00:15:57.220 There will be the Oren McIntyre guy.

00:15:59.060 There will be some other guys, you know, maybe friends of yours.

00:16:02.020 They know how to talk to American people and they really care about what's going on.

00:16:06.640 They will take the hit.

00:16:07.700 They will deal with the misery and they'll just do this job.

00:16:11.580 And that's, you know, the way forward.

00:16:14.000 But it's just beginning to climb into a new media system, a new system of elites, a new way to tell Americans you're actually being represented.

00:16:22.540 You are making yourself heard.

00:16:24.660 People are just speaking for you.

00:16:26.300 People who are speaking for you, you get to hold them accountable.

00:16:30.360 And in return, you have to, if you like them, prop them up to rise into the elite to contest the territory that is held by the left.

00:16:37.980 And we're just trying at that.

00:16:40.260 But there are people who do it, it would seem, effortlessly.

00:16:43.460 What defines people like Donald Trump or Charlie Kirk is that they contest enemy territory.

00:16:47.920 Back before Trump was somebody, you know, anybody outside of New York knew about, people would just still talk about him.

00:16:55.300 There's this crazy guy, real estate guy, like he's talking about this ring, you know, ice skating in New York.

00:17:00.800 Who does he think he is?

00:17:02.040 This would just be on radio shows or TV and he would call in.

00:17:05.760 He would hear people are talking about him.

00:17:07.260 He would call in.

00:17:08.800 You say my name, you will hear from me.

00:17:10.800 He never thought, oh, these are liberals or they're lefties or they hate me.

00:17:15.400 I should stay out of their territory.

00:17:17.700 He had the killer instinct, the fighting instinct.

00:17:20.660 They're talking about me.

00:17:21.860 I'll go after them.

00:17:23.300 Charlie did the same thing with sweetness and then always with grace and then saying Jesus's love is out there open to you.

00:17:31.240 If you open your heart.

00:17:34.020 You know, Charlie is sweet in a way Donald Trump is not.

00:17:36.400 But he did the same thing.

00:17:37.560 If college is lost to us because it's the super left-wing psychopath space, just ideology, wall-to-wall and pathologies, he will go there.

00:17:45.980 He will contest the territory and he will see, actually, there's a vast number of people here.

00:17:51.160 If you show up with a cheer and Jesus and debate me, bro, Zuma attitudes, you're going to win.

00:17:57.880 And he won.

00:17:58.620 It turns out there's so many Americans out there waiting for somebody to sound like America.

00:18:04.340 They'll believe in him.

00:18:05.400 They'll support him.

00:18:06.100 But every such man, and there's like three, five people in America, they're so obvious every time they do this.

00:18:14.400 You go into enemy territory.

00:18:15.700 You open yourself up to decapitation strike.

00:18:18.780 Now, I hope to God Turning Point is going to be a great movement, a great organization.

00:18:23.500 It's not just a movement.

00:18:24.400 Without Charlie, both in the schools and in the voting, Turning Point Action, all of this stuff.

00:18:29.600 And his wife is a ferocious lady, somebody to reckon with.

00:18:37.520 It's not just that so many more people than knew Charlie Kirk's name now know his name.

00:18:42.160 They now also know Erica Kirk's name.

00:18:44.960 So we're not in a terrible situation so far.

00:18:48.760 But you are vulnerable.

00:18:51.260 You lose this one guy.

00:18:52.440 Maybe you no longer have a connection to young men who are the future of the right-wing movement, of the Republican Party, of conservatism.

00:18:58.860 But what if you lose Donald Trump?

00:19:03.220 Nowadays, we complain about Reaganism, partly because Reagan made mistakes, partly because Reagan's heirs are horrible people.

00:19:09.800 But if Reagan had been assassinated when he was shot back in 81, and that wasn't ideological, there would not have been the 80s.

00:19:16.800 We would have gone back to this sort of centrist, liberal, left-of-center, eventually quite far-left-of-center liberalism that brings down the country over the heads of middle-class people.

00:19:28.560 It would have been a catastrophe in the 80s, you know, sort of like the catastrophe we're dealing with now, where you can't tell the young generation of middle-class men, you will have a chance.

00:19:37.540 Work hard, you'll get a job, you'll marry, you'll have a home, you'll have, you know, a family.

00:19:43.780 Yeah, will you?

00:19:44.960 We'll see.

00:19:45.460 Maybe, if we play all our cards right, you know, God willing, maybe, but I don't know.

00:19:51.980 We are in that level of danger.

00:19:54.420 And it's not just Donald Trump, it's us, and it's America that dodged the bullet.

00:19:59.160 And what about now?

00:20:00.740 Did the bullet catch up with us last week?

00:20:03.480 Maybe it did.

00:20:04.380 Who knows?

00:20:05.600 The fact that people aren't willing to face it, there is something in ordinary, decent, right-wing, middle-class, middle-of-America people who are lovely people,

00:20:13.080 there's something weak in them in this sense.

00:20:15.020 Like, they're scared to say something, even as basic as, I want complete reform at the Secret Service.

00:20:21.820 No more playing around with what is the right excuse for shooting Donald Trump.

00:20:28.180 Like, what do you want the Secret Service to say?

00:20:31.660 That the dog ate their homework and that's why some kid shot the president?

00:20:35.560 What is the right excuse for you, for somebody to shoot Donald Trump?

00:20:38.740 I don't have an answer to that.

00:20:39.880 I would think they should all be fired, they should all be indicted.

00:20:42.900 We should do drastic things because law and order count in this country.

00:20:46.160 You don't want to end up in a crazy situation.

00:20:48.120 The least crazy situation is being very, very harsh, very, very open.

00:20:53.160 Just tell the public the truth.

00:20:55.760 It's going to be shocking, but at least we are all in it together and we all have some faith in the rule of law.

00:21:01.580 But running and hiding, pretending nothing happened, this sort of, like, liberals are saying, okay, we missed this time.

00:21:10.540 And people on the right are saying, phew, I don't have to think about it this time after, you know, Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:21:16.080 Well, which one of these people are going to take another shot?

00:21:18.360 Which one of these people are going to do something?

00:21:19.940 It looks like they did something.

00:21:21.720 Who on our side is willing to say hearings at the secret service now?

00:21:27.520 I want everybody from the FBI on down at work, as Trump says, Antifa is now terrorism.

00:21:33.980 It always was, and now we're willing to say it.

00:21:36.240 Reality is catching up with us, and the law is catching up with reality, and let's see action.

00:21:41.000 But also, secret service protection for people who are now credibly in danger.

00:21:45.760 As you were saying, reality is catching up with us.

00:21:48.560 A lot of people are getting death threats.

00:21:49.860 It's secret service protection and publicity in congressional hearings saying, this guy, this lady, they are all getting death threats from psychopaths.

00:21:59.480 This is not a joke.

00:22:01.300 If people are putting their names and faces out there, they also now have targets on their backs.

00:22:06.700 They deserve protection, and they deserve the attention of the public.

00:22:11.140 Somebody is out there, like, you know, I applaud intellectual leaders, political leaders, even influencers.

00:22:18.020 But is my applause painting a target on that guy's back?

00:22:22.800 He deserves the protection, and he deserves the public acknowledgement.

00:22:26.520 America needs to know that lefties are out there doing crazy things, and that the government is not going to be putting up with this anymore.

00:22:33.720 You know, Charles Kirk, Christian.

00:22:35.200 Donald Trump is also who the thought, you know, good Christian guy.

00:22:38.280 How do you react to getting shot in an atmosphere where lefties are out saying psychopathic things about fascism?

00:22:44.440 No, he did the Christian thing and forgave.

00:22:47.420 I don't see Donald Trump out there throwing anybody in jail or worse because he got shot.

00:22:53.960 I get angry for, you know, less than being shot in the face, which I never have been.

00:22:59.240 Well, I think a big part of this is the fact that ultimately a lot of conservatives have bought in to the liberal frame of authoritarianism.

00:23:11.480 That any level of actual consequence for the left's action must be a hint at some kind of authoritarianism or validates the left's claims of authoritarianism in some way.

00:23:23.580 And so the most important thing, more important than anything else, is to prove to the left that you are not an authoritarian, that you're not one of the bad guys.

00:23:32.660 You're one of the good ones.

00:23:34.020 Now, we've seen this on the right in so many other instances.

00:23:36.520 And the funny thing is that a lot of the people who are now attacking the right wingers who want to take some kind of action used to be people pointing out that this was a bad behavior by the right.

00:23:46.800 But they are now themselves engaging in it because they cannot imagine a world in which the right actually exercises power.

00:23:54.040 The exercise of power is the most dangerous thing in the world.

00:23:56.760 So if you are willing to go out there and impose a cost on the left, if you are out there to make sure that, yes, we do have law and order and we will pursue you to the fullest extent of the law, and it is not about a slap on the wrist.

00:24:08.900 It is a permanent place in a penitentiary unless you actually committed the murder, in which case we can put you right through the express lane to correct justice.

00:24:17.640 But ultimately, I think there are a lot of conservatives who just bought into this idea that if you are just pleasant enough, if you just play by the rules enough, if you just show enough principle, then there will just be this kind of revival from the left, that they will suddenly be swept with the guilt of the fact that you were acting correctly and they were not, and they will suddenly stop their actions and see the light, and they will themselves buy a MAGA hat.

00:24:41.500 And that is just obviously not happening.

00:24:44.680 Like, I can even understand why you would think this five, maybe ten years ago.

00:24:49.500 But when you watch the left respond to failed assassinations with the attempt to successfully have assassinations, then I think it's fine to just say that the left is the party of assassinations, that they are the side of political violence, and that as a righteous magistrate handed the sword of justice by the divine order,

00:25:08.540 it is your job to make these people completely unable to silence someone like Charlie Kirk again.

00:25:15.040 Charlie Kirk had free speech.

00:25:16.900 He had the right of free speech.

00:25:17.940 He was exercising the principle of free speech.

00:25:20.480 And they silenced him with a bullet.

00:25:22.740 And you can't have people with free speech when the answer from the left is a bullet.

00:25:26.540 And so my principle is to return to a world where Charlie Kirk can speak on college campuses without a single bodyguard, without a single Secret Service agent, because every single left-winger who is in any way tangentially associated with the organizations and the NGOs and Antifa and everyone else involved is in jail.

00:25:47.220 And then we don't have to worry.

00:25:48.720 You can speak freely on college campuses without the fear of retribution.

00:25:53.280 But I think another important part of this is the nature of the relationship between MAGA and the institutions in the United States, because one of the reasons that guys like Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump are so critical is that the still, even to this day, after everything, institutional conservatism is basically just left-wingers.

00:26:17.180 They're just going the speed limit.

00:26:18.180 They just have very little understanding of what the right is and what they should be fighting for, very little willingness to do so.

00:26:24.680 So when we get back from our break, I want to talk to you about how we end up bridging that gap, if it's even bridgeable.

00:26:31.380 Is this just the nature of an insurgent conservative movement inside the larger con ink structure?

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00:27:56.180 So, Titus, I'm far from the only person to point out that conservative institutions have not served conservatives in the United States in a very long time.

00:28:06.240 There are a few that are trying to do better, I think, on that front.

00:28:10.200 We have seen, I think, big reforms in places like Heritage and places like Claremont have been pushing this kind of stuff for a while now.

00:28:17.680 But in general, it's still very clear that the remnants of the, yeah, just kind of controlled establishment Republican Party are still very, very much involved.

00:28:27.620 I think a large amount of just the parroting of this, like, well, both sides and we have to, you know, unify and all this stuff.

00:28:34.480 A lot of this is just knee-jerk reactions, just Republicans going through the motions because they never understood themselves as actually being opposition.

00:28:42.520 They just kind of parrot the bromides that will calm the people they were put in a place to manage down, right?

00:28:49.600 As where you have guys like Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump, and I've said this many times over, but the most dangerous thing about Donald Trump is that he's not ideological.

00:28:58.880 He just listens to his customers.

00:29:01.540 And the left hates this because that's not the job of Republican politicians.

00:29:05.420 The job of Republican politicians is to tell you to shut up and just take what's being fed to you.

00:29:09.960 But Donald Trump, even if some people might feel he's not sincere on any given issue, is listening to what the base is saying and delivering it because that's what he does.

00:29:21.160 As a businessman, as a leader, that was his plan in any other scenario, and he's just carrying it over to politics.

00:29:28.560 So when you have these singular figures that are willing to push back against what is otherwise a very unresponsive conservative institutional apparatus and say,

00:29:39.760 this is how you are going to treat your voters, whether you like it or not, those are pretty clutch positions.

00:29:45.960 And I think, as you're saying, we can raise up more elites, more figures.

00:29:51.020 I am certainly very much in favor of this understanding.

00:29:55.620 But ultimately, there is something very singular about right-wing leadership in a way that perhaps there is not for the left, at least in the current day.

00:30:06.240 In order to cut through the Gordian knot, you must be this kind of figure who's willing to push back against what is an overwhelming sea of people who are just trying to control you with donor interests and money and everything else.

00:30:17.520 And you have to be willing to connect with people that, honestly, the people next to you revile.

00:30:22.620 The Republican establishment hates conservative Americans.

00:30:26.320 And it's so clear, like they are just repulsed by actual conservative culture.

00:30:32.320 You can kind of tell this by some of the responses to Charlie Kirk's memorial.

00:30:35.660 It was very red middle America.

00:30:39.460 And you can see that even much of the Republican leadership, conservative leadership, is trying to, like, do their best not to throw shade at this whole thing.

00:30:47.540 Because for them, this is, you know, some kind of low culture that they should not be in any way related to.

00:30:53.900 And I guess my question ultimately is, when you have this culture of just singular leaders who are able to bridge that gap, is this even something that we can ultimately change when that seems to be a quality of successful right-wing leadership in our time?

00:31:13.320 Yeah, I think there are three different levels to these questions.

00:31:17.900 First, let's start with, you know, with Charlie Kirk actually being interred and with all the memorials that led to that.

00:31:25.280 You can see a lot of kitsch or sentimental or stuff that's not pleasant or is not quite the right way to do it.

00:31:32.360 But how can you look at any of that and not see the love and the suffering of millions of people who aren't just this or that guy?

00:31:40.380 They are America's character.

00:31:42.280 There's room for lots of different kinds of Americans in America, but there is one American character, and it is the character of middle-class, middle-American Americans.

00:31:53.340 You know, you can have a lot of influence if you're elite, coastal American, but only in agreement with middle-class Americans.

00:32:01.400 Every time you get out of that agreement, you just are 10 or 15 years from a revolt.

00:32:08.640 Religious revolts, taxpayer revolts, military, political, whatever the thing it is that people on the left or the revolutionary side do that is insane, leads to an American revolt.

00:32:19.160 The history of American politics is the history of American revolts against elites.

00:32:23.280 This is what Jefferson and Madison did to John Adams and the Federals.

00:32:28.380 This is what Andrew Jackson did to John Quincy Adams.

00:32:32.520 In a strange way, even Lincoln did this.

00:32:36.380 Lincoln said, this country is run by a conspiracy of senators and Supreme Court justices and the presidents.

00:32:42.680 Those are the elites in D.C. who are corrupting the country.

00:32:45.600 Now, there are people who love it.

00:32:46.600 There are people who hate Lincoln.

00:32:47.600 But that is the character of the political opposition.

00:32:51.960 And it's been so ever since.

00:32:53.600 This is what Reagan promised.

00:32:54.580 This is what Donald Trump promised.

00:32:56.680 There's these people out there in D.C.

00:32:58.100 A small oligarchy of corrupt sons of bitches that we have to throw out of office.

00:33:02.200 By hook or by crook, we'll get rid of them.

00:33:03.920 And America can get back to being American.

00:33:06.600 If you don't square yourself with this as American character, you're never going to really make it.

00:33:12.720 Even if you achieve influence, you'll just live off of self-hate somehow.

00:33:17.600 It's not enough even to know that this is America, middle-class people in the country.

00:33:22.060 You actually have to like them.

00:33:24.340 If you've not spent time with them, lived in their homes, gone to their feasts, listened to their music, then I'm not sure how could you ever get it.

00:33:34.040 And I think everybody who doesn't should be under suspicion.

00:33:37.640 I'm not saying get rid of them.

00:33:38.960 Maybe they bring special talents and so on.

00:33:41.480 And that's all good.

00:33:42.380 And elite people are just different sociologically from normal people.

00:33:46.480 But there should always be these two things.

00:33:49.040 First of all, you have to be part of this.

00:33:51.380 And if you're not, you constantly have to prove yourself.

00:33:55.080 Nothing else is acceptable.

00:33:57.000 Everybody should be, in a way, under suspicion if they don't meet these kinds of tests.

00:34:01.760 It just has to be the case that ordinary people recognize who's governing them.

00:34:07.800 This is why people love Donald Trump.

00:34:10.180 He's a recognizable guy.

00:34:12.460 Just an all-American guy.

00:34:14.880 The more I've seen of America in the Trump era, the more Americans have noticed about Donald Trump.

00:34:21.500 The last year, for example, people started talking to me about,

00:34:23.980 Hey, you know these Trump's kids?

00:34:26.600 Like, none of these kids are crazy.

00:34:28.220 None of these kids have screwed up.

00:34:29.880 They're not druggies.

00:34:30.640 They're not criminals.

00:34:31.560 They don't even hate him.

00:34:32.820 You know, even Reagan's kids didn't get along with him necessarily.

00:34:37.040 Can you imagine the celebrity and the scandal if you're a Trump kid and you hate him?

00:34:43.260 Turns out, none of them are tempted by that.

00:34:46.640 And I think, oh, you're actually right.

00:34:48.900 But I noticed nobody was saying that in 2016 or 2020.

00:34:51.360 Or, you know, at the Nadir in 2022 when everything was going to hell and people were losing hope.

00:34:56.780 But then, you know, they want hope again and they realized, actually, you know, his family does love him.

00:35:02.260 This guy has raised a family in a country where it's not so easy anymore.

00:35:06.660 And I see to some extent that people find in him what they want in themselves.

00:35:12.080 That's part of what makes Trump, Trump.

00:35:14.180 He's a unifying figure.

00:35:16.720 Charlie Kirk was a unifying figure.

00:35:18.520 You know, I admired him.

00:35:21.360 But also a lot of people who are left of center admired him.

00:35:24.880 Even the sorts of, like, vaguely monstrous California people like Gavin Newsom.

00:35:30.080 He says his kid, you know, his teenage kid admires Charlie Kirk.

00:35:35.340 Now, maybe it's true.

00:35:37.280 Gavin Newsom is a lying monster.

00:35:38.980 But that doesn't mean his kid is.

00:35:41.560 A lot of people, you know, lots of people in California admire Charlie Kirk.

00:35:45.420 That's a unifying figure.

00:35:46.760 Or the Trump line about, like, the losers and the haters.

00:35:49.940 Even that is what unifying figures are like.

00:35:53.300 And the country needs that.

00:35:54.960 Somebody that America is comfortable with.

00:35:57.220 And therefore, America will trust him and maybe nobody else to bring more people into the coalition.

00:36:01.700 Those are the terms of trust.

00:36:05.520 And without trust, there is not consent of the government.

00:36:07.500 And without consent of the government, there is only strife that eventually leads to civil war if it doesn't stop.

00:36:12.700 And that's the reality.

00:36:15.380 And everybody can choose this way or that way.

00:36:18.760 But there's no other option.

00:36:21.300 That's level one.

00:36:22.420 Just what it means for there to be an America out there that is recognizable.

00:36:25.960 And it is not under debate.

00:36:28.200 You can offer Americans something.

00:36:29.760 Whatever you think is good, just offer it.

00:36:31.740 You want to put your career behind it.

00:36:33.560 Whatever you want to do.

00:36:35.240 But it's up to them to decide.

00:36:36.740 Because that's America.

00:36:37.620 It's always been this way.

00:36:38.760 And God willing, it will always be this way.

00:36:41.560 Level two is already this thing that we're talking about.

00:36:43.740 How do you create new elites?

00:36:44.840 And can these elites, you know, withstand?

00:36:48.660 If we're being honest, it's not just that there's a lot of cowards.

00:36:51.660 There's a lot of corruption on the right.

00:36:53.420 But those people are barely there.

00:36:56.840 And they're barely people.

00:36:57.900 And they're barely right-wing.

00:36:59.020 It's like we're really diluting what words mean when they say this is a conservative movement.

00:37:04.080 What is it moving?

00:37:04.940 And what's conservative about it?

00:37:07.060 What do these words mean anymore?

00:37:08.720 You can't just turn stuff into slogans.

00:37:10.620 You can't do like this liberal thing where everything is the air quotes version of itself.

00:37:14.720 This is a family.

00:37:15.740 This is a marriage.

00:37:16.640 And I love you.

00:37:17.500 And like you can't air quote things.

00:37:19.500 You either mean it or you don't.

00:37:20.800 You could be wrong about what you mean.

00:37:22.900 But you're honest and you're trying.

00:37:25.220 If you're air quoting everything, it just leads to suspicion, leads to popular disapproval, eventually hatred.

00:37:32.280 I don't want a situation where America either has hatred or despair.

00:37:37.100 Those are your options now.

00:37:38.100 I much prefer a country where people are good and angry and they're going to fight.

00:37:43.800 We have much nicer options with Charlie Kirk, but they've gone out the window.

00:37:47.520 And now we're going for the angry option.

00:37:49.680 Anger is good.

00:37:50.540 Anger makes you serious.

00:37:51.540 Anger teaches you you have something to lose.

00:37:53.860 The danger is real.

00:37:55.680 And now everybody knows it.

00:37:58.320 There's just million after million after million of people.

00:38:01.580 It didn't stop after the news of assassination.

00:38:04.040 It didn't stop the week after that.

00:38:05.380 It didn't stop with the funeral.

00:38:06.420 It's not going to stop.

00:38:08.100 Million after million of people is going to realize it's not just that I'm right.

00:38:12.160 I always suspected this, but I was right.

00:38:14.080 But there's millions of other people who feel the same way.

00:38:16.360 And now we all know because it's out there.

00:38:18.560 So it's possible to get to the second level where you're saying, is anybody going to speak up for these people?

00:38:24.520 Now we don't just have the inspiration that Charlie Kirk offered or the feeling that is rousing in the nation.

00:38:31.700 This is America.

00:38:32.440 You can't treat us this way.

00:38:33.380 But we also have what the other thing Charlie offered, guidance, not inspiration, but guidance, not the pep talk, but standards of judgment and of action.

00:38:41.480 Every college campus that we're dealing with should have free speech.

00:38:47.220 And that means we get to choose the speakers and they have to put up with it or the state goes in and asks them, what is the discrimination against people who apparently you don't like, but it's just America out there?

00:38:59.400 The colleges do a million things, starting with, oh, the security costs are a problem.

00:39:04.180 Like, I hate it, but some lefty threatened violence.

00:39:08.400 So, oh, you know, we just have a budget for fainting couches.

00:39:12.080 It doesn't cover speakers.

00:39:14.360 No, let's send the government asking questions and let's open that up, especially through Congress and through influencers and through like having thought on Tucker Carlson.

00:39:24.140 Weekly show where he says another shows you another crazy college.

00:39:27.380 Expose them to humiliation, expose them to the American public.

00:39:32.220 If they don't want to have conservative speakers in, this is what they get.

00:39:36.860 We have a standard.

00:39:38.040 Charlie Kirk went to speak to college.

00:39:39.580 It's not fantasy land.

00:39:40.580 It used to be reality and then they shot him.

00:39:42.920 So we have to do that.

00:39:45.360 You're right wing.

00:39:46.140 You have to go do it.

00:39:47.360 You're a college.

00:39:48.020 You have to accept right wing speakers.

00:39:49.500 You don't.

00:39:50.060 This is what happens.

00:39:50.820 We have an actual standard of judgment from the college all the way to congressional hearings or asking the state, you know, could the Department of Justice look into discrimination here?

00:40:03.200 We have the power of the state and we have the law on our side and we have the people on our side.

00:40:06.660 So let's use it.

00:40:07.860 These are actual standards of decision and of judgment.

00:40:11.040 And, you know, you're a right wing.

00:40:12.840 Let's see you fund a memorial Charlie Kirk lecture.

00:40:16.440 And that should come with demands that the speakers be run by Erica Kirk.

00:40:22.800 You don't get to invite some crazy neocon under the Charlie Kirk lecture banner.

00:40:28.300 Give them at least a veto.

00:40:30.320 Not a choice.

00:40:31.400 Erica Kirk is not going to decide who speaks on your campus, but you will get a veto.

00:40:35.800 You want people to put their money where their mouth is if they're conservatives or Republicans or right wing.

00:40:41.440 Fund chairs.

00:40:42.980 Fund lectures in Charlie Kirk's name.

00:40:44.760 Let nobody forget what the actual price for politics is, what the actual price for loving your country is.

00:40:51.460 If you actually ask, you know, people on the right, everybody will tell you the same thing.

00:40:54.840 I love America and America broke my heart and I'm not giving up.

00:40:58.100 But America didn't shoot me also.

00:41:00.700 No, it was just some kind of, you know, lefty psychopath who did this.

00:41:03.620 But are we going to let this stop us?

00:41:05.020 Because if not, then we have to make these kinds of decisions.

00:41:08.840 What are your actions?

00:41:10.140 What are you actually willing to do?

00:41:11.980 Are you going to be involved in colleges like Charlie?

00:41:14.120 Are you going to be involved in getting out of the world like Charlie was?

00:41:16.940 Are you going to be involved in selecting the next generation of leaders like Charlie was?

00:41:21.780 Everybody from J.D. Vance, who is now vice president, to a thousand other people got help from Charlie Kirk.

00:41:28.920 That's what it takes to build elites.

00:41:30.560 That's what it takes to replace institutions and to force institutions into compliance.

00:41:37.020 Set standards and judge them by it.

00:41:39.300 Publicize it.

00:41:41.720 We cannot stop the work and we cannot look away.

00:41:44.900 Charlie Kirk was a nice guy.

00:41:46.380 He was, my friends tell me, you know, he was actually spending a lot of time with rich people convincing them to pay for conservatism.

00:41:52.700 Now, this is what all the reasonable people I know have been doing for a decade.

00:41:58.600 This is what I've been doing.

00:41:59.680 I always tell people the same basic lesson.

00:42:01.440 An institution is a way to turn money and knowledge from old men to young men.

00:42:06.600 That's how things work.

00:42:09.680 It's not processes.

00:42:11.280 It's not your ideology.

00:42:12.740 It's not whatever slogans you put on.

00:42:14.340 It doesn't matter if you call it conservative.

00:42:15.740 Conserving means taking the money and the knowledge from old men and passing it on to young men.

00:42:20.960 And we are all judged by which young men do you choose?

00:42:25.140 If it's the kind of loser who ends up in a think tank or God knows what organization, we're screwed.

00:42:32.580 But there are these other options and we owe them to Trump.

00:42:35.860 It was the Trump era that created the new situation where you can have Charlie Kirk rise.

00:42:42.080 He is the greatest of the successes of the Trump era to show you that if you're a young man, you could succeed.

00:42:49.080 And it wasn't just because it was Charlie Kirk.

00:42:50.680 It was because he helped all the other people also.

00:42:54.320 That's the stuff that is, again, not just inspiration but actual guidance.

00:42:59.660 It's a simple lesson.

00:43:00.580 As you go up, take people with you.

00:43:03.480 The alternative is you're a celebrity.

00:43:05.100 It's lonely at the top.

00:43:06.260 You go crazy.

00:43:07.020 You get corrupted or, you know, lose your mind or God knows what.

00:43:12.060 Take people up with you.

00:43:13.360 Build people up as you go up.

00:43:15.080 And you will offer not just yourself but your friends, your collaborators, and the American people a wider range of options.

00:43:22.080 A greater experience of being active, contributing to something, not just staying at home.

00:43:29.000 These are not simply spectator sports.

00:43:30.820 Politics tugs at your heart.

00:43:32.640 It should matter more than college football.

00:43:34.580 It should matter more than March Madness.

00:43:36.200 And, you know, now and then.

00:43:39.360 I'm not saying you should be super political.

00:43:41.040 I'm not saying you should sound crazy like I do.

00:43:42.980 I'm saying now and then, at least if there's a political assassination, the lights should go up on.

00:43:48.140 Okay?

00:43:48.440 You should pay attention.

00:43:49.400 This is the mid-level at which you build elite institutions.

00:43:53.540 It depends on men who rise and raise others with them.

00:43:57.920 Men who say, look, this is what I stand for.

00:43:59.540 I will go to a million places to tell people.

00:44:01.520 This is what I stand for.

00:44:02.440 Prove it.

00:44:02.940 And that's for their support.

00:44:05.440 Just to show Americans you are not abandoned.

00:44:07.940 If you have talent, you are not abandoned.

00:44:09.600 If you want somebody talented to speak up for you, you are not abandoned.

00:44:13.580 It's not what the country is about.

00:44:14.720 What the country is about is agreement leading to action.

00:44:19.560 We're deciding on what we need doing and who's going to do this for us.

00:44:24.960 That's why there's an alternative to, you know, burning down the system.

00:44:29.020 That's why there's an alternative to chaos.

00:44:31.440 Because Americans have this in them.

00:44:34.080 It's, you know, Charles Kirk is much better than ordinary people.

00:44:36.960 He's much better than I am at all of these things he was doing.

00:44:39.800 But he's not the only one.

00:44:41.540 And there are other people who can do some of it.

00:44:43.740 And they add up.

00:44:44.720 If they work together.

00:44:46.400 I think you're.

00:44:48.060 The American character.

00:44:50.020 I think your point about elevating others around you on your way up is quite critical.

00:44:55.460 I've actually seen quite a bit of resistance to this in the conservative movement.

00:44:59.500 There's such a constant need for self-promotion and self-elevation and settling scores, internecine warfare.

00:45:06.480 Even when you don't actually control anything that people are obsessed with, like, cutting out their own little swath of this.

00:45:13.660 But rarely looking for others to go ahead and mentor, to lead, to bring into positions.

00:45:21.700 They are unwilling to scout talent and support talent, especially with young conservative men who are, let's just be frank, are far to the right of most of the people in the conservative institutions.

00:45:33.080 Which is a great thing.

00:45:34.260 But unfortunately, this means that a lot of people are hesitant to elevate those people.

00:45:38.740 Because they're more worried about what the left might say about the people they're elevating than the actual people they are putting around them.

00:45:45.120 To the point where I see conservatives passing over a lot of very talented right-wing up-and-coming guys for, like, porn stars.

00:45:53.840 And it's just ridiculous.

00:45:55.440 Like, frankly, the fact that it has been, in many ways, very difficult to move, for me, several incredibly talented right-wing individuals into any kind of role.

00:46:06.820 Just getting foots in the door into these institutions.

00:46:09.420 Because ultimately, they'd rather pick their, like, 7th gay Republican congressional staffer.

00:46:15.500 I'm really tired of it, honestly.

00:46:17.440 I'm getting to my wits end with this aspect of the Republican establishment and the conservative institutions.

00:46:24.460 And so I think it's critical.

00:46:25.960 Because, like you said, if you can elevate many people with that similar drive, that similar understanding, that similar value system and vision,

00:46:34.960 then taking one person out doesn't mean you sever the connection between the institutions and the culture.

00:46:40.980 Because there's an army of guys behind you.

00:46:43.900 If there's 20, 30, 50 Charlie Kirks behind Charlie Kirk, then shooting Charlie Kirk gets you nowhere.

00:46:50.040 In fact, it just gets you a more radical Charlie Kirk.

00:46:52.340 If there are 50 guys more radical than Donald Trump behind him, shooting Donald Trump doesn't get you Mitt Romney.

00:46:57.440 It gets you a guy far more radical than Donald Trump.

00:47:02.640 And that's why we need to be putting these people into institutions, A, because it's the right thing to do.

00:47:07.300 It builds brotherhood.

00:47:08.820 It builds that fraternal understanding of how you should be bonded and moving and working together as a movement.

00:47:17.700 But also, it provides a level of insurance.

00:47:20.260 Because if you know that every single person behind these people is actually far more radical than the people in front of them,

00:47:26.540 then you are actually really disincentivized to remove them from leadership.

00:47:30.620 But, Titus, we're starting to run up against some time here.

00:47:33.400 And we have a couple of questions from the audience.

00:47:36.140 So I want to move to the questions of the people.

00:47:37.860 But before we do, can you tell people where to find your work?

00:47:41.480 Yeah, sure.

00:47:42.160 You can just go on X.

00:47:43.880 We have free speech because nobody shot Elon Musk.

00:47:46.340 Thank God.

00:47:48.080 It's not great.

00:47:49.340 Give us our links back, Elon.

00:47:51.340 Don't starve writers.

00:47:52.820 Who is going to defend you?

00:47:55.260 Just go on X.

00:47:56.660 Titus Film.

00:47:57.820 I do a lot of film stuff.

00:47:59.720 Guys love film.

00:48:00.760 I love film.

00:48:01.840 You can look me up on the stack.

00:48:03.640 I'm PomoCon, postmodern conservative.

00:48:06.860 I think that'll do it.

00:48:08.640 Let's just get to the, you know, actual listeners.

00:48:11.720 Let's get to the people.

00:48:12.660 All right.

00:48:13.000 Well, Wild Speaker says,

00:48:14.460 The struggle against normalcy bias will be most important battle of our lives.

00:48:21.420 The downfall of a society is something you read about in a book, not something you live through.

00:48:27.140 The reality is unmanageable.

00:48:29.740 Yeah.

00:48:29.940 You know, the funny thing is that for a long time we had the saying of boiling the frog, right?

00:48:34.300 That the left was doing it fast enough to where the frog couldn't notice.

00:48:38.040 But today I feel like we are now like directly propane torching the frog.

00:48:42.420 And yet I'm still seeing a number of people say, oh, really, it's fine.

00:48:46.160 And is this just human nature that they're unable to escape the idea that we might be heading towards a reality that they had not planned for?

00:48:54.680 Or is this something unique to kind of the American experience having been like this leader of the world forever that kind of got to dictate the terms of how the political experience would go?

00:49:05.860 Look, I wasn't born and raised in America.

00:49:08.580 So whenever I explain politics to my American friends, I always start with the same thing.

00:49:12.260 Just remember, you're the only empire in world history that hasn't been conquered.

00:49:18.140 Russia was a slave for centuries.

00:49:20.180 China.

00:49:21.200 Anybody in Europe you look at has been conquered in living memory.

00:49:25.180 Not so in America.

00:49:26.560 So it's just not obvious to people how reality can shift on you.

00:49:32.060 But to the, you know, okay, but not, you know, the foreign, but to the American experience.

00:49:36.680 The problem is that, you know, look back to the 60s or 70s.

00:49:40.360 You have it so good, you think it can never go bad.

00:49:43.460 But also then it gets really bad really fast and you can't believe what's happening and you just like duck.

00:49:48.400 Duck and cover.

00:49:49.800 Like 60s enthusiasm, 70s hysteria, insanity, depression.

00:49:54.540 What happened?

00:49:55.400 We're going through a lot of that, including the political assassinations.

00:49:59.940 It's perfectly possible, not just that people don't notice it going bad, but that people have noticed it's scary and they are just running for cover.

00:50:07.960 Freeze and maybe it doesn't see you.

00:50:09.580 Maybe the predator just detects movement.

00:50:11.460 Just, you know, don't move.

00:50:13.900 We are actually in danger on both sides.

00:50:16.420 Is it not bad enough or is it too bad?

00:50:18.920 And the thing to look, you know, again, you always want to look for practical questions of making a decision and taking action.

00:50:25.780 The orientation is always, how shall I live my life?

00:50:29.360 Compare Trump 2 to Trump 1.

00:50:31.640 Trump 2 has J.D. Vance and, you know, Stephen Miller.

00:50:35.360 And if these guys end up running the country, thank God we will all be saved, you know.

00:50:39.940 Like, praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

00:50:42.100 We will not be having, you know, practical or theoretical problems just like technical problems.

00:50:47.260 This is solvable in certain terms.

00:50:51.000 And that shows you things have changed.

00:50:52.620 There are, like, the third level of elite politics above it all, you know.

00:50:56.840 You know, it doesn't matter what an institution thinks.

00:50:58.940 You have people to top that.

00:51:00.580 They can do shocking things.

00:51:02.140 And you have no idea how far this could go.

00:51:05.020 There are actually not obvious limits.

00:51:07.660 Those kinds of people can change things.

00:51:09.400 Those are the kinds of people who make it possible for ordinary people to say, I don't have to be scared anymore.

00:51:16.520 Like, you know, right-wing influencers should be out there doing Stephen Miller memes, Stephen Miller training videos.

00:51:24.340 Stephen Miller should be replacing the American psycho memes.

00:51:27.100 You should just be feeling like that once a week at least.

00:51:31.140 It's incredibly stimulating, first of all.

00:51:32.900 Drop your Miller chads, yeah.

00:51:34.700 And second of all, like, you'll make friends.

00:51:37.920 Because it is, you know, just out there in the chat, in the signal chat, in my case.

00:51:42.000 But, like, whatever you chat, DMs.

00:51:43.980 You will see how many other people, as you were saying, young people, they feel that this time has come.

00:51:50.240 First time I went to D.C. was 2016.

00:51:52.140 And it was not like now.

00:51:54.220 It was just old people dying their way out.

00:51:57.360 And, you know, I like some of those people.

00:51:59.020 Some of those people are my friends or, you know, benefactors I admire.

00:52:02.320 I respect those men.

00:52:03.120 But they do not have a future.

00:52:04.560 And I'm not even sure they want one.

00:52:06.620 But there's a lot of people out there who do want a future.

00:52:09.520 They're just not sure they have one.

00:52:11.960 What happens at the top, what happens if somebody like J.D. Vance or Stephen Miller comes forward,

00:52:16.700 is that it encourages millions of other people to say, I will go forth and do like once.

00:52:22.120 And then you are no longer easily under control.

00:52:24.420 Nobody has any idea how far the media power we have can go.

00:52:28.540 We're just stuck behind people who, as you were saying, you know, there's so much of, like, the soap opera bitching.

00:52:35.020 Just stop.

00:52:36.100 It's irrelevant nonsense.

00:52:37.680 This is not what we are doing.

00:52:39.140 What we are doing is, you know, trying to save the republic.

00:52:41.320 Well, then the next chat here is, yeah, the next chat here is right along those lines.

00:52:46.940 Mostly Peaceful Merch says, it's an existential fight, not a fencing match.

00:52:50.820 Absolutely, brother.

00:52:51.980 Florida Henry says, if spiteful mutant theory is correct, then the problem is much worse than I thought.

00:52:57.040 You guys are in real danger.

00:52:59.020 Yeah, unfortunately, I think that that is the correct understanding.

00:53:02.580 And biolismism or, you know, spiteful mutant theory, however you want to categorize it, the idea that the left is a coalition of those that are looking to destroy the good and the beautiful, the true, means that is, in a way, an eternal coalition.

00:53:15.580 It will never be completely removed, but it can be put back into its place.

00:53:21.540 And so I think that's what needs to happen here.

00:53:23.520 No, sorry, the inmates don't run the asylum.

00:53:26.000 Actually, we will just lock you up.

00:53:27.500 We will just put you in jail.

00:53:28.780 If you do kill someone, we will execute you lawfully.

00:53:32.080 You know, like, there will be very serious, you know, consequences for this.

00:53:37.080 We are going to return to the place where those who are creating good and beautiful things are the ones dominating culture.

00:53:43.680 And we are not going to be asking permission from anybody on the way there.

00:53:47.560 Yeah.

00:53:48.360 And, you know, two things related to this.

00:53:52.340 First of all, America has a national pantheon.

00:53:54.960 And the problem is that the guards are liberals who hate America.

00:53:58.000 Like JFK gets in the pantheon and Charlie Kirk doesn't.

00:54:01.460 Fuck you.

00:54:03.220 After millions of people just stop being nice and start being vulgar, we will win this fight.

00:54:08.780 Liberals who hate America do not get to hold the keys to the American pantheon.

00:54:12.260 They don't get to say, not you're victims of assassination.

00:54:16.700 There's probably some drug-addled criminal somewhere out there that we're missing.

00:54:20.260 We can't have room for Charlie.

00:54:22.220 What is this?

00:54:23.640 And people can tell the difference now because nobody's forgotten 2020.

00:54:27.860 And we have to act on that.

00:54:29.800 At the highest level, these are the questions.

00:54:31.760 Who do you honor?

00:54:34.040 There's God.

00:54:35.040 There's got to be the heroes of the Republic after that.

00:54:37.100 And, you know, in your life, it should be your parents, your family, your friends, whoever has helped you grow to be a man.

00:54:46.020 Those things have to be reopened.

00:54:47.560 They have to be said openly so that everybody realizes there are two sides to this.

00:54:51.300 And you have to pick one side.

00:54:53.140 And I bet the American people know where they stand on most of these questions.

00:54:57.180 But they have never been activated because these sorts of issues, who holds the keys to the pantheon, who keeps the gate there, that is enormously powerful.

00:55:06.360 All of those things have to be talked over again.

00:55:08.960 The only advantage we have with social or with digital media is that you can get people to touch reality, see what's actually going on, show people video of stuff that will freeze their blood in their veins,

00:55:19.940 but also remind them of all of the great and good things out there that should get them to act.

00:55:26.120 This is what it means to be American.

00:55:28.720 You get your head on straight and then you do something about it.

00:55:31.980 Talk to your friends, do something in your neighborhood, but especially push people up and push things up to the national level.

00:55:39.140 The safety you will have in your state or in your county is probably going to come from the federal level.

00:55:43.760 It's going to be somebody, a DOJ who says no more nonsense from now on.

00:55:48.400 The FBI is a pack of dogs out there protecting America.

00:55:52.680 Not caught in criminals, not doing psychopathic like fake terrorism, false flag operations like in Michigan.

00:55:58.560 None of that.

00:56:00.700 They will actually be there protecting Americans.

00:56:02.680 Imagine if the FBI had spent the type of time it did staging the kidnapping of Gretchen Wittwer to actually hunting down Antifa terrorists who were going to really kill political targets.

00:56:17.160 That would have been a very different outcome, and that's exactly what it should become now.

00:56:21.840 Innocent children in Christian school would have been saved.

00:56:25.240 Yeah, 100%.

00:56:26.100 Lives are not just on the line, they are on the other side of the line.

00:56:29.920 And this is not a matter of keeping score.

00:56:31.600 How many of ours did you kill?

00:56:33.320 It's a matter of caring about any one of those kids, every one of those kids, all of their parents, and realizing it could be you next.

00:56:44.180 This minimum of seriousness is the only thing that can replace our crazy literary politics, celebrity culture, weird stuff on the right.

00:56:53.380 And it's the only thing that can replace the weakness, the softness, the unwillingness to act of ordinary decent people.

00:56:58.600 A decent man is a man who identifies the lawful with the just.

00:57:03.880 That's basically the right way of going through life.

00:57:06.140 But it only works properly in ordinary situations.

00:57:09.780 At some point, you have to recognize these are no longer ordinary situations.

00:57:13.040 And from now on, stuff that you expected or took for granted even, you now have to do.

00:57:17.640 You have to contribute to it.

00:57:18.740 And you have to just demand for it, ask for it.

00:57:21.120 If right-wing people do a whole celebrity culture thing where they are celebrating ICE people, National Guardsmen, we will see America rise again.

00:57:30.980 People actually like law and order in the country.

00:57:33.020 But the assurance people get, the willingness they have to be friendly to their law enforcement separates America from I don't know how many other countries.

00:57:44.880 You don't want to know what it's like elsewhere.

00:57:47.720 You don't want to know what it's like to fear the FBI or the CIA.

00:57:51.640 I mean, some of us already do, but most people don't.

00:57:54.040 They shouldn't go in that direction.

00:57:55.760 It should be pulled, all of it, in this direction.

00:57:58.640 And that means doing publicity.

00:58:00.940 It means pushing people to the top so they can speak for the nation.

00:58:04.000 But also, it means just making everything public.

00:58:06.640 Film everything, speak everything, put it out on social media, drown this kind of crazy, liberal, mind-control thing where 100 people say the same thing in the same words.

00:58:15.740 Drown it out in just ordinary Americans who say whatever it comes like out when they say it.

00:58:20.060 We're not going to have the kind of curational, overproduced, elite-controlled messaging they have.

00:58:29.340 And we're just not going to have the billions of dollars that they have to start with.

00:58:33.580 There's not going to be an America tomorrow where everybody knows what, you know, Arabella Advisors is, what the Tides Foundation is.

00:58:39.140 Nobody's going to worry about what is Bill Gates paying for just to corrupt, you know, Protestant churches.

00:58:44.740 They're not going to know.

00:58:45.520 But it's happening and it has to be fought off.

00:58:48.400 And the way it has to be fought off is at a more public level.

00:58:51.220 You have publicity at the top with Trump.

00:58:52.760 You have publicity at the bottom with all of us on social media.

00:58:55.560 The more you do that, the more digital technology allows you to have a junction.

00:58:59.980 You push for that, then Donald Trump gets to tell, you know, the Attorney General, get to work.

00:59:05.720 No more bullshit, get to work.

00:59:07.260 I want to see people arrested.

00:59:08.760 Show me the numbers.

00:59:09.760 So Thugger here says, Charlie was most effective among young people and nonpolitical people.

00:59:17.100 Is that what made him a target?

00:59:18.980 Well, I think that Tides has already explained very importantly that he was also a guy who had a vision for the fact that young people could be one for Trump.

00:59:27.240 I'll never forget one of his interviews while I was watching where they asked him about this.

00:59:31.200 And they said, hey, you know, what what what made you think that you should be going into these colleges?

00:59:36.940 And he said, look, all the stats say young people don't vote.

00:59:39.480 All the stats say they're never going to go right wing and that this is a waste of my time.

00:59:43.140 But I was on college campuses.

00:59:44.860 And so I knew what was happening there.

00:59:47.280 I was actually talking to people, building those relationships, understanding the lives of people there.

00:59:51.960 And I knew in a way that abstract poll numbers couldn't tell you that these people were ripe for a conversion to Donald Trump.

00:59:58.520 Also, let's not forget that Charlie Kirk is one of the few guys who is putting himself in a situation where he was even available to be shot at this point.

01:00:07.360 Steven Crowder has already said there's a reason he more or less stopped doing the change my mind segments.

01:00:11.420 It's because the threats became too violent.

01:00:13.400 So let's recognize Charlie Kirk knew what he was doing.

01:00:16.060 He knew what he was taking on.

01:00:17.360 He knew he was going into a situation where he could not be 100 percent protected.

01:00:22.600 And even in that situation, he was willing to speak with people.

01:00:25.340 And that's why we have to change things, because that should not be a moment of courage.

01:00:30.320 It should not be courageous to step onto a college campus and talk to someone that it should not be an act of ultimate courage.

01:00:37.120 That should be an everyday occurrence in the United States.

01:00:39.440 And the fact that it had to be something that conservatives were more or less basically laying their lives on the line to do tells us everything about where we are.

01:00:48.420 Wild Speaker says the GOP wants to keep the fringes of the right on the fringe because they lack the courage of their convictions.

01:00:53.900 That's why the talent goes unutilized.

01:00:56.920 And, yeah, Titus, I really have to agree with this.

01:00:59.280 I think a lot of people, even those who are doing OK, are worried that the guy behind them might make them actually hold their beliefs real.

01:01:09.820 They might have to realize the rhetoric they're using might actually have to push for something that they are otherwise won't be popular with donors or others.

01:01:17.920 And so I think that is why we often see a lot of the right go to waste, because if you bring on these guys who are more radical than you are more right wing than you are more conservative than you, then you might have to actually start delivering on promises.

01:01:33.480 It won't be enough to just offer something to a random donor or a random crowd and then go back to whatever you were doing previously as an institution.

01:01:42.280 Yeah, that's true.

01:01:43.300 And we should talk a bit about this.

01:01:45.260 So the one of the major dangers we have now that this is a crazy era is the defects of middle class mentality.

01:01:54.080 A middle class guy like, you know, think about something like a house that comes with a mortgage.

01:01:59.220 You are on the hook for decades, maybe.

01:02:02.320 You have to be reliable.

01:02:03.760 You have to make it pay every month.

01:02:06.200 That also means you don't get to do crazy or dangerous or risky things.

01:02:11.300 Middle class life is defined by insecurity.

01:02:14.360 You get to be free, but you never get to be sure.

01:02:17.920 You got to keep trying.

01:02:18.900 You got to keep pushing.

01:02:19.800 Some days you look at your wife and you don't know how you're going to explain this.

01:02:24.960 You know, I've been through it.

01:02:27.000 A lot of people have been through it.

01:02:28.420 It's why don't more young men get married?

01:02:30.340 Because they don't have the guts to go to that moment.

01:02:32.620 And I don't blame them because it's humiliating.

01:02:35.840 It's very difficult to say, you know, I'm planning a future here even without the mortgage when I'm actually not in control.

01:02:42.100 Now, the problem is that people who make six figures or seven figures feel the exact same way.

01:02:47.060 You have no idea the amount of money that rich people throw away just because if they took it, then they would have to commit to a project that is super risky.

01:02:56.080 And it's not clear whether people on our side love anybody on our side enough to give them a second chance if they should fall.

01:03:04.480 It's not clear that if ever the celebrity perfect glamorous dream breaks for a spell, we will allow them back.

01:03:13.000 There's enormous insecurity, both reputationally and financially and organizationally for people on the right, partly because it's new to everybody.

01:03:21.440 It's like I'm just doing it for my first time.

01:03:23.280 It's partly because the education for it was missing.

01:03:28.360 People on the right aren't that political.

01:03:30.880 They're always out there saying, like, you know, next week I'm going back to, like, my kid's little league game or something.

01:03:36.440 They're not going to commit to anything for the long term.

01:03:39.380 It encourages, you know, people complain about grifting, fair enough.

01:03:44.140 People complain about established, you know, rent-seeking, if you want to speak economically.

01:03:48.280 Economically, parasitism, if you're more honest.

01:03:51.440 And that's also true.

01:03:52.900 But listen to me.

01:03:54.360 There is worse.

01:03:55.200 There is more.

01:03:55.740 A lot of the problem is just a gig economy mentality.

01:04:00.780 People on the right are essentially freelancers.

01:04:05.040 People on the right look at the rich people and say, oh, these people would never help me.

01:04:08.740 And they look at their base and they think, like, maybe I'm just a few mistakes away from being not canceled, but, you know, maybe even just ignored into poverty.

01:04:16.540 And it's not just the poverty.

01:04:18.600 It's that you're ignored.

01:04:19.780 You can't act anymore.

01:04:21.880 The insecurity of the position of speaking publicly when you are not an official or if you're an official, but, you know, you're under control of the party or it never goes away.

01:04:32.460 I've talked to senators who assure me that they feel powerless.

01:04:35.360 You're literally one man in a million, you know, even less, one in three million, I guess, a hundred senators in 300 million Americans, you know, like, let's deport a couple of tens of millions and then recalculate.

01:04:49.640 But for now, this is what we're saying.

01:04:51.040 And they feel powerless.

01:04:54.720 They just do stupid little shows where, like, they give a speech that sounds like Mr. Smith, but if you've ever been to the Senate, well, I mean, it's just empty.

01:05:03.100 They're doing this to an empty room in front of a camera to cut the ad for the Gmail, you know, give me some money thing.

01:05:11.580 It's disgusting.

01:05:13.240 These are disgusting people who live disgusting lives.

01:05:15.620 And the reason, insecurity, basic issues like, you know, Charlie solved a lot of these problems, like he had a real organization, he had a real basis, and he was always out there getting in touch with people.

01:05:27.300 You know, you couldn't tell him, like, what's going on in the real world.

01:05:30.720 You don't get it, Charlie Kirk.

01:05:31.820 He was out there all the time.

01:05:33.440 So he knew for himself, he wasn't isolated in Washington, D.C., or for that matter, state capital, but also he wasn't out of practice.

01:05:41.020 He was always getting his hands on things.

01:05:42.640 Whereas if you're not that good and maybe that lucky, I don't know what his career path exactly was.

01:05:49.960 I was not a friend of his.

01:05:51.200 I'm just, you know, an admirer.

01:05:53.740 And so I'm not an insider.

01:05:55.280 I don't know anything about that.

01:05:56.280 I just saw the results.

01:05:57.520 But you need a certain degree of security to realize that you're not going to get fired, and this is the moment to start taking risks.

01:06:05.480 You have to push scandal constantly, but you have to choose the scandals you push.

01:06:10.220 What is the fight that you are fighting today that gets you to the victory, that gets you to a fight that will be even more important to win and more beneficial if you do win?

01:06:18.620 How do you build on things?

01:06:20.460 These are the basic questions.

01:06:21.520 Do you have a producer mentality?

01:06:23.020 I want to run things.

01:06:24.040 I want to take responsibility.

01:06:25.340 Or do you have a consumer responsibility?

01:06:27.220 My highest epitome ambition in American world history is to leave a bad review.

01:06:32.220 Like, this is what right-wing people do.

01:06:35.020 They leave bad reviews for stuff.

01:06:37.420 And a lot of the time, you're supposed to say to people, sit down, shut the fuck up, and stop doing the bad reviews.

01:06:44.140 What are you going to be doing to build something?

01:06:46.600 What are you contributing?

01:06:47.580 What is your show?

01:06:48.120 What is your audience?

01:06:48.780 How are you moving people?

01:06:50.060 You know, what is your organization?

01:06:51.220 Are you getting people to vote at all of these levels?

01:06:53.180 How are you talking to people in philanthropy to give more money to right-wing people?

01:06:56.840 How are you doing all of these things?

01:06:58.780 Shows should involve that.

01:07:00.120 One of the major problems is that almost nobody is willing to say, look, this is how I made it.

01:07:05.600 Partly because, I mean, I never want to talk about myself.

01:07:08.340 The issues matter.

01:07:09.360 I don't matter.

01:07:10.100 It's the issues that matter.

01:07:11.200 If I didn't exist, the issues would still exist.

01:07:12.700 You'd still be worried.

01:07:13.580 Those are the things that matter.

01:07:15.620 And I think any normal person is sort of this way.

01:07:18.900 But now we are in this crisis.

01:07:20.760 We need young talent.

01:07:22.000 We need to move to the next generation.

01:07:23.660 We need generational change, technological change, political change.

01:07:26.040 And it's all coming at once.

01:07:27.860 So we have to get on with the show.

01:07:30.320 And that means, unfortunately, we do have to say, this is how I made it.

01:07:32.860 This is the thing that worked.

01:07:34.300 Do this.

01:07:35.280 Zig here.

01:07:36.020 Don't zag.

01:07:36.940 Zag is a losing position.

01:07:38.340 Zig, that's a winning move.

01:07:40.540 And the more people do that, the more other people realize, I could do some of this.

01:07:45.040 Maybe all of it.

01:07:45.700 Maybe more than this.

01:07:46.860 But some of it, certainly.

01:07:47.840 And if that isn't attempted, there is no security for people who even have success.

01:07:52.460 Because there is not enough of a public opinion saying, this is what we are committed to.

01:07:57.460 Make it happen.

01:07:58.780 That's the first part of security.

01:08:00.520 Only on that basis of popular support can you force rich people to pay for things.

01:08:04.660 Like, the first step of conservatism will be when we actually are willing to go publicly and attack a billionaire.

01:08:11.940 You are not paying for the cause.

01:08:13.600 Fuck you.

01:08:14.640 You're a piece of shit.

01:08:15.960 When you are willing to destroy a reputation, you are serious.

01:08:18.740 And if you are not willing to do that, you're just hiding.

01:08:20.680 And hiding is okay if you have a losing bid.

01:08:24.720 But if you want to win, it's just not going to do it.

01:08:27.860 You have to destroy reputations and also to make reputations.

01:08:31.320 You have to be willing to honor people who succeed or who help you succeed.

01:08:35.960 I think that will make some of the squishes uncomfortable.

01:08:39.300 But I think it's exactly right.

01:08:40.700 I don't think there's any way we can avoid this at this point.

01:08:42.820 And the cost of ignoring it has become far too serious.

01:08:46.420 So I agree 100%, guys.

01:08:48.220 And I just want to say thank you, Titus, for coming on.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - September 22, 2025

Is the Right Uniquely Vulnerable to Assassination？｜ Guest： Titus Techera ｜ 9⧸22⧸25

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