The Auron MacIntyre Show - Islamic Terror in Australia ｜ Guest： J. Burden

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00:00:07.380 Been really a terrible weekend. We saw quite a bit of violence, including a mass shooting in Australia and a mass shooting in the United States.

00:00:19.780 We're going to be talking about these two different but not entirely unrelated events.

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00:02:02.220 All right, so we're going to start with the event in Australia just because we know more about that.

00:02:08.940 There's definitive video that we can view, so we're going to talk about that a little bit.

00:02:14.540 There are very sadly 15 dead and at least 40 people injured as we are speaking.

00:02:21.440 Two Pakistani natives, one a 50-year-old father and one a 20-something-year-old son,

00:02:28.480 open fire on what appears to be a gathering of Jewish worshipers.

00:02:33.420 There's Hanukkah going on. There's some event called Hanukkah by the sea, and these guys open fire.

00:02:40.300 Obviously, we are still waiting for the explicit expression of the intent here,

00:02:45.320 but you don't exactly have to be a rocket scientist to put two and two together,

00:02:49.200 so we're not going to pretend like that's not the case.

00:02:52.400 The two alleged shooters seem to very clearly be motivated by anti-Semitic violence.

00:03:00.920 Obviously, no reason they should be in the country, but we'll get to that in a second.

00:03:06.080 We're going to start with the video of this.

00:03:09.080 We can only show a little bit, obviously, due to graphic nature of some of what was caught,

00:03:13.700 but here is the shooting.

00:03:16.520 A dynamic thing that happened in the middle of this is that one guy jumped on one of the shooters and took his gun.

00:03:23.880 We'll discuss kind of the aftermath of that after watching the event together.

00:03:35.460 So you can see the guy tackled here.

00:03:43.140 He's taken the gun from behind as the shooter was opening fire.

00:03:47.840 You see him holding the guy at gunpoint, but you'll be surprised what happens next.

00:03:52.480 You can see the man allowed him to retreat back.

00:04:12.040 He takes cover under this tree because the other shooter is still firing during this.

00:04:17.260 We'll see you next time when the delay is being trained in a man who plays a player.

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00:04:47.220 inevitably you can see that the shooter that was allowed to leave retreats back to this bridge where

00:04:58.800 the other shooter is firing and he ends up actually i believe taking another firearm in this position

00:05:06.340 yep and there you see he takes up alongside with him here all right so that's as much as we can

00:05:14.900 really show given again the graphic nature of what's going on there now jay a couple things

00:05:20.540 important here again both shooters pakistani origin we know that much um again firing into this crowd

00:05:27.440 of people celebrating hanukkah we can assume this is uh the purpose of the shooting here is pretty

00:05:32.920 obviously islamic radical violence against jews now the guy who stepped in was obviously of middle

00:05:42.700 eastern descent at some level uh people have some people have claimed that he is himself muslim

00:05:48.420 others have said that no he is a lebanese christian uh we don't really know as far as i understand

00:05:55.080 right now enough about the identity of this guy to talk about why he stepped in some people have said

00:06:00.800 that while he stepped in and stopped the first shooter he ultimately didn't pull the trigger

00:06:05.180 because uh he didn't want to kill someone who looked like him who was a also middle eastern possibly

00:06:11.840 muslim if he is actually muslim um i don't know for sure that's that that's a difficult call to make

00:06:18.620 i mean you're in a scenario where there's open fire going on here uh the guy was brave enough to jump in

00:06:24.680 and seize the gun from this guy maybe he just didn't want to kill someone maybe he's brave enough to step

00:06:31.620 in and stop that but he just didn't be responsible for pulling the trigger uh maybe he was worried that the

00:06:37.340 australian police would ultimately blame him australia is the kind of place where the if you

00:06:41.920 stop the violence you are just as guilty as the person perpetrating the violence maybe he just

00:06:46.840 thought that because the guy was no longer armed he would be judged if he pulled the trigger and fired

00:06:51.400 there are a lot of possible explanations there now obviously i think he should have killed the guy

00:06:57.880 immediately uh he the guy retreats away while the fire is continuing you can see uh the guy who wrestled

00:07:04.060 the gun away put the gun against the tree right he's still to fire is still happening from this

00:07:09.540 other shooter and he disarms himself by placing the gun down that's why i kind of doubt it's just a

00:07:15.000 co-ethnic thing because uh you know he he's still seeing fire uh you know this this other gentleman

00:07:21.140 firing off gentleman uh monster firing from the bridge uh but uh i think there are multiple explanations

00:07:27.960 for this but but what's your take just watching uh that film yeah so i like you know absolutely no

00:07:36.560 details about this man that stepped in there's been a lot of conjecture going around about his

00:07:40.380 identity who knows let's be honest who knows at this point uh but he acted heroically i think it's

00:07:46.860 very easy to slip into sort of you know monday morning quarterbacking clearly this guy was not

00:07:53.000 anticipating this sort of event and so i think we can give him the credit for charging a man with a

00:07:58.600 gun and then say you know what it may have ultimately been better if he decided to you know

00:08:03.360 look him in the eyes and you know put a bullet there but i don't know if we can really blame him

00:08:07.800 for that i i think you know that that small sin of cowardice is largely outweighed by charging a man

00:08:13.420 with a gun unarmed you know i'll give him that uh as regards the motivation obviously again we don't

00:08:19.420 know but we do know i think that there are several key takeaways from this which is one this sort of

00:08:25.040 godless globalists that control australia and you know much of the rest of the world have decided to

00:08:30.120 use this event entirely cynically uh if you had told me and many have made this point the details of

00:08:36.140 this attack i could basically write you a script that says this is what they're going to do right

00:08:41.360 they're going to go after an out group promote an in group and then transfer resources from out

00:08:48.620 group to in group right the classic political process we've already seen australian leadership

00:08:53.360 you know screeching about gun control as we kind of grimly joked before this started i'm old enough

00:08:59.900 to remember i don't know three days ago when australia was the shining bastion that all western countries

00:09:06.020 were supposed to emulate and clearly it didn't work right if if you import the third world you will

00:09:12.580 have third world problems and these sort of ethnic consequence and ethnic conflicts are not native

00:09:18.680 to australia right before mass immigration this is not a problem we had obviously there was violence

00:09:24.080 in australia very prominently in the 90s but it was not this sort of what seems to be ethnic conflict

00:09:30.000 uh obviously as well you know we've seen the the sort of pearl clutching about it took sort of ape

00:09:37.160 norm mcdonald imagine you know if a shooting were to happen where muslims killed 15 people

00:09:41.980 imagine the damage to peaceful muslims we've seen that as well there have been cases again we don't

00:09:47.120 know if they're true or not of people you know leaving uh you know pork products on you know mosques

00:09:53.440 or islamic cemeteries valid question is why does such a thing exist in australia in the first place

00:09:59.420 but obviously that is the real you know the real tragedy uh other people in in our politics have

00:10:06.560 have cast this cynically as well you know the classic calls from gun control from our own home

00:10:10.760 grown shit libs but also you know this has been painted as far-right violence and i feel like it's

00:10:17.820 important to remember that you know far-right violence is sort of the the hammer for which there

00:10:23.880 is very few nails right it is a excuse that our ruling elites love to use right we're assured that

00:10:30.680 is the biggest threat facing our nation and very clearly i don't pretend to know the far right

00:10:35.100 particularly well in australia but they don't seem to be advocating for pakistani immigration okay sure

00:10:42.240 pakistani muslims might be relatively speaking conservative when based on a political compass but we're

00:10:48.940 all adults we all understand that even if these groups are individually socially conservative

00:10:53.540 they are left-wing clients in the west incidentally this is something i talked to paul gottfried about

00:10:58.880 not too long ago but this is something conservatives really westerners have a hard time wrapping their

00:11:04.060 heads around because surely you know the the hardcore religious extremists who are willing to kill for

00:11:09.040 their beliefs must be right-wing the answer is yeah for their culture there are in your culture

00:11:15.020 they're communists right we've seen this in the uk we've seen this in australia immigration is a

00:11:20.880 left-wing phenomenon and so the cynical desire to recast this as the far right or a problem with

00:11:27.340 you know homegrown australian gun owners is very clearly exactly that it is simply the political

00:11:31.980 process of transferring blame from your friends onto your enemies and for the people in power in australia

00:11:37.860 as shocking as it is those shooters are in aggregate their community are their friends you the people

00:11:47.160 shot maybe we can make an argument for are not their friends so no matter what actually happens their

00:11:53.940 opinions will not change the facts will morph to fit that core political formula and that's all there is

00:11:59.460 yeah this is where you know making your politics ideological is a huge mistake as compared to

00:12:06.300 simply looking at power right if ideologically oh well they're conservative they're religious they

00:12:11.620 believe in all these things that you know uh you might see certain christians uh ultimately sharing

00:12:17.640 but obviously we know why are they there in the first place who's letting them in if if they're so

00:12:23.480 right wing if they're so conservative why is the left obsessed with making sure they're in the country

00:12:28.980 and suddenly the answer reveals itself as you say ideologically yes theoretically they could be

00:12:35.360 conservative just like the black community the united states is theoretically hypothetically

00:12:39.720 conservative very against homosexuality and all these things but then when you look at the actual

00:12:44.820 voting record when you look at where their political political allegiances actually lie it in no way

00:12:49.540 lines up with their purported values with their purported ideology because the political coalition

00:12:54.780 is not ideological it's about power and so you get to play these fun games where the left can bring in

00:13:00.240 a bunch of people for its own political coalition its own ends and then when those people commit

00:13:05.000 violence they can flip and say oh no they're they're conservative obviously it's religious fanaticism it's

00:13:09.340 got to be right-wing violence this is how you end up you know tipping the scales on these kind of

00:13:13.740 surveys when you look at left and right violence actually just had aiden paladin on to talk about the

00:13:18.440 nature of some of uh these studies looking at the different groups and who is violent but of course

00:13:23.000 you're right you know this the the narrative was immediately well it's got to be about gun control

00:13:27.140 which is hilarious because australia has one of the highest levels of gun control in uh the western

00:13:32.980 world uh then we also had to hear from guys like pierce morgan who obviously just got done having his

00:13:39.420 comment about how he doesn't care how many muslims come in and dominate his country because at least the

00:13:44.560 food is better now uh you know appears morgan out there saying what happened what happened when

00:13:48.940 people pointed out that obviously his open borders embrace of muslim immigration uh was part of the

00:13:55.140 or really the key fact that is enabling this kind of murder he said oh well one of the guys who

00:14:01.320 tackled him was muslim therefore the hero's muslim the bad guys are muslim it's everyone's an individual

00:14:06.960 it's like okay well first we don't know that but let's assume for a moment that's true

00:14:10.420 if neither of them there were there there would be a lot of people alive today there would be 12

00:14:16.940 more people alive today there'd be 40 less people wounded today you wouldn't need a hero muslim because

00:14:24.020 you didn't have a radical jihadist muslim mowing these people down right so it just seems obvious

00:14:31.320 exactly it seems obvious and look i'm you know liberal enough to to assume that you know what when

00:14:38.640 they're all sent back the guy who charged the gun maybe he can say you know what he's proven and

00:14:43.840 obviously he's a brave enough fellow that he can be the one but clearly that's such a disingenuous

00:14:48.480 framing because again we're setting aside any data about criminality and immigrant groups which given

00:14:55.880 this instance you know the massive scandal out of uh i almost said somalia i meant i guess it is a

00:15:01.560 scandal out of somalia minnesota uh we understand that this is often not reported honestly but the idea

00:15:07.860 that well some of them are good so that outweighs these massive social problems is simply dishonest

00:15:13.580 because as you've said earlier if we hadn't embarked on this sort of civilizational suicide

00:15:18.580 of importing millions of people from across the world this quite simply would not have been a problem

00:15:24.540 to begin with there may well have been other problems but quite simply if these two men had not

00:15:30.140 been invited into australia there would be 12 to 15 people alive who are currently dead and 40 people

00:15:39.220 who hadn't been shot and okay i don't know how we want to tabulate the economic contributions of those

00:15:45.680 two men but i'd imagine it does not nearly equal that harsh consequence and something else that's relevant

00:15:54.960 to mention is that oftentimes conservatives get really upset around the hypocrisy and their right

00:16:00.880 to do so these globalists are acting hypocritically but that's what you get to do when you're in power

00:16:06.620 you get to have your cake and eat it too by virtue of being the null hypothesis right the the the

00:16:14.440 assertion against which everything is proved against by being effectively in charge of the media

00:16:20.020 you can cast any event to your benefit you can say in an instance like this which surely if you know

00:16:27.200 this were a fair quote-unquote system it would be egg on your face as the immigration guy well you can

00:16:32.120 recast this this is no longer a problem with immigration it's a problem with uh with gun laws

00:16:36.580 and the international far right the things that you already hated before which let's be honest had

00:16:41.580 very little to do with this specific instance i think it's also relevant to know not to you know use

00:16:46.980 this to to kind of stump about american politics but it's always interesting you know the way that

00:16:51.900 american leftists talk about guns they will often say one we don't want to ban all guns we just want

00:16:56.760 a restriction on so-called scary assault weapons well in this instance a nation with very strict gun laws

00:17:04.080 none of those were assault weapons we see it is still entirely possible to commit mass atrocities

00:17:09.880 and when you are disarmed as a populace you are giving your protection over to the state and the

00:17:18.060 assumption is well the state has monopoly on violence surely they're good at that and much like we saw in

00:17:23.020 uvalde much like we saw and you know enough another uh you know anti-jewish attack in the uk not too long

00:17:28.420 ago the police response was bumbling you know there are reports going around of female officers freezing

00:17:33.940 up right refusing to engage another angle of that same video you showed which let's be honest it was

00:17:40.180 on the internet it could be fake but let's go ahead and say it's true you see a shortly behind from the

00:17:46.820 street level a police officer cowering behind a car while this man runs up and tackles the shooter

00:17:54.320 this is an armed police officer someone who has been charged by the state with protecting other people

00:17:59.860 with violence and what are they doing well not all of course we understand they're very brave police

00:18:06.520 officers but they're cowering well people are forced to sit there and be shot like fish in a barrel

00:18:11.480 thankfully again there was one man ethnically ambiguous albeit who was there to at least you know put a

00:18:19.340 halt to the violence momentarily and the idea that you can simply give that that protection away

00:18:25.360 and people will treat you with exactly the same level of care that you treat yourself and your family

00:18:31.020 is laughable so again will these people these globalists these immigration advocates be forced

00:18:38.380 to be responsible for this horrific attack no they won't because they are in power when they are no

00:18:44.480 longer in power they can and should be held account for these sort of atrocities but until then

00:18:49.940 they will get to cheat and that simply is the nature of politics

00:18:53.920 yeah this is one of those situations where you know a lot of people i think rightly point

00:19:01.600 to the united states and its second amendment and say well that's a security blanket for you guys

00:19:07.540 you know all this tyranny has come and you don't actually use it it doesn't prevent anything

00:19:12.100 and there's a certain level of truth to that that conservatives have kind of over mythologized

00:19:17.380 the second amendment as this fire break for government power because obviously like we are more than

00:19:23.500 happy to let people lock us in our homes and shut down our schools and shut down our churches and

00:19:28.780 you know lock us in jail and and nothing really happens on that level uh but i will say that

00:19:34.540 ultimately when you are in the scenario where it the the powers that be the official forces have

00:19:42.200 abdicated their responsibility just for your individual level of safety this is where the second

00:19:48.440 amendment has quite a bit of advantage right like yeah okay i guess that we're not seeing the revolution

00:19:53.360 but at least if the police aren't going to enforce the law i can shoot back if someone's shooting at me

00:19:58.660 uh you know it's a scenario where uh you look at something like the parkland school shooting where the

00:20:04.020 sheriffs famously would not go in to stop uh the violence and you recognize that whether it's here

00:20:10.000 or in australia your police have more or less ad abdicated all of their responsibilities

00:20:14.440 in this area so that that's really a huge issue now i do want to say also uh that we are seeing

00:20:24.780 you know people blame you know the firearms as you say but these are bolt action is it bolt action

00:20:30.400 does he have a shotgun is that what he takes from the guy i think it was a bolt action rifle and a

00:20:34.520 shotgun okay so the guy on the bridge has the shotgun and the the guy that he actually ends up

00:20:40.000 tackling he has uh the the the shotgun there uh you know so as you say neither of these are like

00:20:45.920 some high capacity miracle weapon uh and whether it's that or you look at what just happened in the

00:20:51.820 united states right we just had the shooting of a national guards uh guardsman a female national

00:20:57.100 guard soldier uh by a revolver right you don't need any kind of high high speed technology and again

00:21:02.680 another muslim terror attack we just have a had another uh afghan refugee muslim terror attack foiled

00:21:10.660 in the united states so we are just seeing islamic terror attack after islamic terror attack and the

00:21:17.360 answer you know again i don't i don't need to make a case to these people none of their opinions matter

00:21:21.980 on this they will literally pry my guns for my cold dead fingers uh but you know it is very obvious that

00:21:28.560 the answer is to ban the people not the guns like they're simply there there's a certain level of

00:21:33.500 criminality that we must to deal with from our inherent populations right like that that's just

00:21:38.940 the case and so in that instance gun crime is a problem in these scenarios we don't have to deal

00:21:44.840 with this at all none of these people have to be here the gun is not the the salient feature

00:21:49.300 of what's going on if the gun was being held by some gangbanger in chicago okay now we have to

00:21:55.280 have an inherent conversation because i can't just deport him somewhere else

00:21:58.560 but these people do not do need to be in australia we certainly do not need them in

00:22:02.740 this country uh and the fact that this just continues to happen and over and over again

00:22:07.780 but i do not see the push i know why i'm not seeing the push in australia unfortunately i've

00:22:12.660 spoken with or uh heard uh several high level uh australian politicians and every single one of them

00:22:18.980 is an absolute coward uh they have no spine they are completely unable to do what needs to be done in

00:22:24.200 that country and sadly i feel like they are probably cooked uh but you know the in the united states we

00:22:30.000 still perhaps have uh a low enough population concentration and the will to ban a muslim immigration

00:22:36.680 in the united states and there's just literally no excuse for it at this point i i don't i don't

00:22:42.020 understand how anyone can stand against it when we're seeing these results over and go over again

00:22:46.140 it's the most predictable thing in the world well especially because you know when i was a kid i was told

00:22:51.580 over and over and over again we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here

00:22:56.880 right the whole casting of global war on terror was this idea that this is an inevitable civilizational

00:23:03.220 clash and we have to fight somewhere better there than here and instead of you know if we take that

00:23:11.160 argument in good faith i think that's probably not the case but you know the idea was well let's have

00:23:17.760 it out and instead during that time our elites were importing people from these same countries where

00:23:24.420 our soldiers were engaged in armed conflicts and it turns out that when you do that you bring a little

00:23:31.100 piece of that culture back home with you and so in places like michigan you have texas you know as

00:23:37.180 we've said before minnesota these communities have formed enclaves and we have seen violence criminality

00:23:44.860 let alone the the kind of economic damage to the citizens of america around them and the idea that

00:23:51.260 we need to we are obligated to take on this burden is completely and totally absurd because i thought the

00:23:57.840 whole reason that we expended our blood and treasure was so that this wouldn't happen and so really we got

00:24:03.760 the worst of both ends of that deal we were forced to if not us individually but people like us to go over

00:24:10.380 to their home their countries get blown up you know lose their limbs come back and then guess what

00:24:17.000 they followed you home we've seen this in the uk as well right with the mass importation of afghans

00:24:22.340 after that country fell and again what has happened you know an astounding wave of you know criminality

00:24:29.160 and violence right horrific attacks that were completely absent from you know british culture

00:24:35.040 even 30 years ago and again the idea that you know somehow this is simply inevitable this is just

00:24:41.580 what was going to happen the conversation has already been had it's really just managing the harm

00:24:46.500 i mean look man that's loser framing if you accept that if you accept that the the real issue is well

00:24:52.700 how do we integrate how do we we get these people you know more more invested in our culture well

00:24:59.360 there's a much simpler answer which is they have their own right they can quite simply go back and live

00:25:04.220 however they want and if you know what i'm a big idiot and i deport 300 000 brain surgeons well guess

00:25:10.700 what the people of pakistan will have the the most expertly operated on brains in the world and i'll

00:25:16.900 feel really dumb but something tells me that won't happen just a hunch i guess we're willing to take that

00:25:22.580 bet willing willing to put that uh that risk down on the table all right guys uh we need to talk about

00:25:28.140 the next shooting this one more relevant to us because it happened in the united states but went with

00:25:33.000 second just because we don't know as much been waiting for a while to get more information on

00:25:37.560 this brown shooting two people were killed nine more were wounded in this one uh we discovered uh

00:25:44.340 recently that there were one of the two people killed was uh ella cook who was the president of

00:25:51.580 the republican uh young republicans there on campus she's 19 years old at first we heard that the

00:26:00.460 person of interest who had been captured was a young man who had pretty radical left-wing views

00:26:06.060 and had posted on a regular basis about uh you know all of these causes you would expect

00:26:11.580 however uh that that had many people drawing the conclusion that this was a direct uh act of

00:26:18.060 political violence uh and i think that's a reasonable inference given that context however they have now

00:26:24.080 uh released him as a a person of interest which means the shooter is entirely at large now this

00:26:30.560 is very strange in most mass shooting situations usually mass shooters are uh either you know they're

00:26:36.700 they're pretty suicidal when you put yourself into these kind of public shooting situations you don't

00:26:40.520 really expect to get out of there uh or if you do you're going to be arrested so normally these guys

00:26:45.740 are killing themselves or it's a suicide by cop situation or you know that the the firing is so obvious

00:26:52.340 that you know it's so easily to attract someone who's done this level of violence in a public space

00:26:56.560 uh that they're caught very quickly uh in this case we have a scenario where there are lots of cameras

00:27:01.960 lots of witnesses uh in a gun-free zone uh but this person apparently just disappeared uh which adds a lot

00:27:10.780 of complications now i think there are many indications given that this was done in the classroom

00:27:16.140 the shooting seemed to be specifically targeted at her uh at ella cook because of those that context

00:27:24.000 we can still probably safely infer at some level that there's a there's targeted violence here

00:27:30.160 was it political well it's pretty rare for a 19 year old girl to be the head of the college republicans

00:27:38.000 in any scenario the fact that she was singled out means that there was absolutely something about her

00:27:43.580 that the person hated and wanted to destroy maybe they just had a personal vendetta maybe she turned

00:27:49.340 down some romantic events i don't know but i don't think it's unreasonable for people to point out that

00:27:55.040 this could be another instance of violence again we can't entirely confirm this after uh you know

00:28:01.680 that you know the suspect changed or that basically there is no suspect now uh but i do feel safe in saying

00:28:07.980 that this this it's reasonable to look at this and say that that could be a motivation here uh again

00:28:14.260 just kind of a crazy scenario because we all feel the danger that is mounting after several high

00:28:22.580 profile political assassinations or attempted assassinations in the united states the fact that

00:28:27.860 there has not been a larger price paid by the left uh many people both of us included have pointed out

00:28:33.480 that that was inevitably going to draw additional violence um we don't know if that's the case for

00:28:39.320 sure here but but jay what do you think about the fact that this shooter's just in the wind at this

00:28:45.260 point yeah so again uh there are several aspects to this story you know you mentioned the fact that

00:28:52.760 this is you know a gun-free zone it's important to mention that you know rhode island is a particularly

00:28:57.920 anti-gun state again if you could hypothetically you know wave a magic wand and disappear every gun

00:29:05.160 out of existence would violent crime reduce yes it would but the idea that these you know assault

00:29:10.880 weapons bans are anything other than political patronage is absurd clearly as we saw with you know

00:29:17.340 this instance with luigi mangioni in manhattan motivated people can do nasty things no matter what

00:29:23.760 there's no way around it even in a you know very tight tightly controlled environment such as a

00:29:28.900 college campus in rhode island uh so there's an element of that to it as well as far as the you

00:29:35.300 know the response from law enforcement to me that seems fairly inexcusable again much like you know

00:29:41.940 the shooting in australia what do we have you for is it's an open question right like aren't we

00:29:47.760 supposed to have police so that you know at the very least if they can't stop it these people are at

00:29:51.720 least you know brought to justice swiftly hopefully fatally but nonetheless we don't know we don't i

00:29:59.780 can guess and i think that you're quite right you know the idea that this is politically targeted

00:30:03.440 seems very likely uh given the fact that we have seen a huge ramp up in anti-right-wing violence

00:30:10.320 obviously you mentioned you know the assassination of kirk let alone the two attempts on trump's life

00:30:16.460 you know any number of other you know attacks on you know ice agents or you know dhs personnel

00:30:20.880 steve scalise all of the supreme court justices exactly tucker carlson again right he had a mob

00:30:28.080 beating down his door and clearly we have to understand that these people have been given

00:30:32.520 at least implicitly a license to do so right these people are fascists these people are nazis

00:30:38.560 and what do you do with them well you punch them and what's the logical conclusion once you've accepted

00:30:43.520 that these people are appropriate you know targets for violence well something more permanent right

00:30:48.740 this is horribly tragic you know that this i don't pretend to know anything about this girl but what

00:30:53.060 i've seen on the internet she seemed like her whole life was ahead of her obviously very bright she was

00:30:56.980 in an ivy you know from i believe huntsville alabama right but you know someone who should not have been

00:31:03.200 killed especially for you know something as stupid as you know being part of the young republicans club

00:31:10.880 which is not exactly the hitler youth right especially at a place like brown and so the idea that this

00:31:16.660 person has been effectively killed not effectively has been actually killed because of this insane

00:31:22.260 political rhetoric it's just inexcusable and again the advantage of being in power the advantage of being

00:31:29.200 the default position is that unless something changes these people will not be forced to

00:31:35.600 you know be accountable for their actions especially if as we've seen both here and in the kirk situation

00:31:41.400 people are getting away because again we understand that predominantly these these shooters are unstable

00:31:47.380 individuals so there's a huge component of me of mimesis to it right you can see yourself in that heroic

00:31:52.920 moment you know that iconic image of kirk being shot if you are you know a deeply mentally unwell

00:31:58.260 insane communist that looks cool to you you're like yeah i want to i want to do that and if you see that

00:32:04.200 these guys are getting away that they're not getting turned into swiss cheese by you know the

00:32:08.620 authorities that hey look he was out for a few days i think i could make it further or i think if i plan

00:32:15.160 better i can get out i can actually make it it's creating a huge knock-on effect because again right

00:32:21.700 we already understand that there's a copycat element to these attacks uh obviously the the sort of

00:32:27.120 copycats of columbine that is sort of echoed ever since but in this instance right who knows if he

00:32:34.040 did but the fact that we have now had two of these potential and actual assassins effectively skate

00:32:40.960 at least for a couple days until you know obviously the kirk shooter was turned in by his family

00:32:45.660 but that is creating an incentive that is creating a that is reducing the friction to one of these

00:32:52.740 mentally unstable people who's being bombarded constantly with the messaging that these people

00:32:57.580 are a threat to democracy they're a threat to the human race you need to do something and sure

00:33:03.340 for your liberal wine aunt she probably won't you know pick up a rifle and you know do something

00:33:09.500 drastic but for someone who's already unhinged someone who's terminally online addicted to the

00:33:15.480 internet addicted to drugs you know as we've seen in many of these like it is a pressure cooker

00:33:20.480 and the weakest vessels go first well i think it's a really good point that this if if people can

00:33:28.620 get away with this it's much more dramatic right because you have the scenario where at least there

00:33:34.060 was a limiting factor that if you take your shot at the president or charlie kirk you're going to get

00:33:40.000 your head blown off or you're immediately going to get arrested you know there there's there's a

00:33:44.420 suicide uh or like full commitment level to this that you have to really involve yourself with you

00:33:50.160 have to be heavily deranged or heavily committed at that point but if this becomes something that

00:33:55.600 people can get away with that they can sneak away with that they can you know pull off and escape

00:34:00.400 uh then you have a whole different element right then then these are more like guerrilla war style

00:34:05.580 uh hits that you can you know you can hit and run away from then they are like fully committed

00:34:11.060 suicidal mass shooting type uh scenarios and that means that we don't just get the crazies and the

00:34:17.000 suicidal ones it means that we also get the ones that are there for attacks of opportunity who think

00:34:22.120 that they can you know gain some kind of credibility inside their terrorist community or the leftist

00:34:26.580 community they can work out their hatred of uh right wingers of of republicans the gop uh and

00:34:33.240 ultimately they can just retreat back into whatever squalid existence they live on discord uh but once

00:34:38.800 again a scenario where we have not seen action against platforms like discord that are known they know

00:34:47.220 they're coordinating this stuff they know the terrorism is being coordinated on the platform we know they

00:34:51.820 have the ability to monitor because they shut down the right wing the minute there's a single

00:34:55.360 you know slightly right of conning chat in any given discord it's immediately banned but the left

00:35:02.200 continues to operate and plan terrorist attacks openly on this platform nothing has been done nothing

00:35:08.020 has been done now is that what happened here we have no clue but the fact that just basic steps that

00:35:13.440 cost us almost nothing are not being taken to shut this stuff down is insane again i'm gonna save my

00:35:19.880 full polemical speech until we actually know who the shooter is i don't i i i have quite the what time

00:35:26.980 it is speech to give once once we know that if that's the case however we need like you can't keep

00:35:34.720 looking at political assassinations forever and just say like well nothing can be done you know really

00:35:40.260 what can we do no at some point there the right answer is franca right like at some point that's that's

00:35:45.840 where the spanish revolution gets you if if the powers and be will not take care of left-wing violence

00:35:51.980 they will not stop unhinged political assassinations from the left on a regular basis if this becomes a

00:35:57.620 monthly feature oh who what what random right winger has uh the left shot uh next if that becomes some

00:36:04.500 game we're playing then at some point sorry but i don't care what rules they break as long as they stop

00:36:10.400 people from murdering my fellow countrymen right like that that's all that matters at some level

00:36:16.200 if the state will not stop in and enforce its monopoly on violence it will not stop political

00:36:22.060 violence from one side of the aisle when it clearly will stop it from the other by the way like the left

00:36:26.420 had no hesitation for this right they they threw proud boys who weren't even at january 6 in jail for

00:36:32.360 30 years and you're telling me there's just no one connected to antifa that we can find and put in jail

00:36:37.960 not a single human being like that it just seems insane at this point that we're we're operating this

00:36:43.740 level of delusion at some point it's not uh it's not a matter of ability it's a matter of will right

00:36:50.760 you simply are not willing to do it you're not willing to take the risk you're not willing to

00:36:55.260 fight the fight and we don't have time for those kind of people no no matter where like i understand

00:36:59.560 the trump administration is winning on all kinds of levels we've never seen before like the the zero

00:37:04.760 immigration at the border we're we're you know getting rid of affirmative action a lot of anti-white

00:37:09.540 stuff is being cut out we're seeing big wins on things like administrative state you know they're

00:37:14.880 pushing for the end of birthright citizenship these are all amazing things that weren't even on the

00:37:19.040 table so i want to give them credit where it's due on this stuff but unfortunately they've decided to

00:37:23.900 get a solid 15 yard pass when we have three seconds left and the game is over if we don't get the

00:37:30.880 hill mary it's one of those scenarios where yeah you are doing you're you're putting together the

00:37:34.800 best drive we've seen sorry for the sports ball references nerds here we are uh you know we were

00:37:39.140 putting together the the best drive that we've seen all year but we need the touchdown now we don't have

00:37:44.840 time to sit around and wait and this is the the problem the trump administration is way better than

00:37:49.480 the george bush's and you know whatever you know mitt romney's or john mccain's were supposed to be in

00:37:54.480 office but at the end of the day it's it's just not sufficient and that's not necessarily their fault

00:37:59.980 that they were dropped into this moment but that's the moment they find themselves in now again

00:38:04.160 one more time we don't know for sure that this was left-wing violence i think it's fair to infer it

00:38:08.960 but we don't know this on the level that we know said the australian shoot so i'll so so i would still

00:38:13.540 want to leave the play in the joints there that this could be the scenario but either way if the left

00:38:18.820 has shifted its mentality from we shoot presidents to we shoot political organizers to we shoot college

00:38:25.940 students who happen to be right wing then everyone's a target it's it's not just the president

00:38:31.880 anymore it's not even powerful civilians i mean that that was the shock of charlie kirk getting shot

00:38:36.160 right is he he didn't see feel like a legitimate target of political violence that's what shocked

00:38:41.280 everybody yes he was active in politics and he was powerful but he was still kind of an average guy

00:38:46.040 he wasn't elected to office either he has no troops at his command he can't he can't send anyone to jail

00:38:51.280 and he was still shot but now we're at another level where now it's just a girl putting up flyers

00:38:57.100 to vote for trump and now she's an open target of political violence if that indeed turns out to be

00:39:02.220 the case that's a level of escalation i mean really there at that point you're just you just have open

00:39:08.420 civil war it's that's all it is you're just talking about slow motion civil war that that's all that's

00:39:13.600 involved well and it's important to mention again the trump administration has done many things that

00:39:20.900 were previously unfeasible right that are almost miraculous but we have to understand that

00:39:26.360 fundamentally much in in real life we are constrained by maslow's hierarchy of needs

00:39:31.460 and security is let's be honest the base of that right can we continue to be safe and all the other

00:39:39.260 stuff is great like that there's all needed to be done but if everyone is constantly worried about

00:39:45.420 being shot by some sexual degenerate addicted to adderall like that doesn't matter functionally

00:39:52.440 because you can't organize in public you can't raise your head above the wall because you'll be shot

00:39:57.620 that needs to be addressed and particularly when you know much of the messaging is about law and order

00:40:04.360 much of the messaging is about pulling back from you know biden era laxitude towards you know

00:40:10.260 lawlessness well dude this is this is the top of the list of what needs to be addressed

00:40:16.740 one of your friends mr president was shot a guy that you know and obviously that's a horrible tragedy

00:40:23.160 and i understand you know investigations are complicated but when this seemingly just disappears

00:40:29.320 right sinks below the surface and the conversation moves on we're not talking about it we're not digging

00:40:35.400 into you know what what motivated this attack you know who who you know who potentially you know

00:40:42.740 cooperated with the shooter when we're not addressing how these people are organizing it doesn't feel

00:40:48.100 serious and maybe the answer is there's all this serious stuff going on and we simply don't know about

00:40:53.240 it but if we don't know about it it really doesn't matter to be honest because if we don't know about

00:40:59.460 it uh the people planning these attacks also don't know about it in which case okay maybe the next

00:41:04.040 investigation will go better but it would be much much preferable to simply not have this be a

00:41:09.380 problem anymore right to say no we are not allowing this sort of violence you're going to proactively

00:41:15.200 go after it because again much like the conversation around the international war on terror we were assured

00:41:22.080 that all of these massive surveillance state operations you know these new three-letter agencies the

00:41:27.440 patriot act were there to keep us safe in a way to kind of built in this idea of pre-crime into our

00:41:33.240 systems we could stop them before it happened and yet what do we hear after every attack whether

00:41:38.660 political or not the shooter was known to the fbi it's like okay great i guess you knew about him

00:41:46.200 but he still did something he still did something really really bad and particularly as this engages

00:41:53.120 the political arena if you are in charge of the whole system right the biggest most powerful

00:41:58.700 government in the world with a massive surveillance state you know tens of thousands of guys with guns

00:42:03.680 and you can't stop this doesn't seem unreasonable to ask why are you can you not do it are you inept

00:42:13.020 i mean that's embarrassing but that seems like that could be fixed are you unwilling that's kind of

00:42:18.920 grim i don't want to think that is the case or is there just a lack of will and to me that's what it

00:42:23.300 thinks that's what i think it is there's simply not the will needed to solve this problem because

00:42:28.720 it can be solved but you might have to be mean you might have to you know get a few nasty articles

00:42:34.840 written about you look at a certain point it's like they've called you a fascist a hundred times

00:42:39.800 it's the hundred and first one really going to be the straw that broke the camel's back

00:42:43.580 because uh you know these people screaming about fascism are quite literally grabbing grandpa's

00:42:49.100 hunting rifle and blowing your friends away so uh maybe time to put aside the the concerns for

00:42:55.960 respectability look don't get me wrong i want republicans to win the midterms right that like

00:43:02.060 that that's important i'm not pretending elections don't matter but a you usually lose the midterms

00:43:07.260 anyway when you have the presidency so that's probably just a done deal just because that's how the

00:43:11.660 political pendulum swings i'm not saying you shouldn't fight for these elections i'm just saying

00:43:15.080 real politic this this is the reality on the ground second what are you doing with the

00:43:20.200 congressional majority nothing right it doesn't matter you're not even confirming trump's appointments

00:43:24.740 in the senate so why would we adjust the behavior of the admin to make things more electable when

00:43:32.920 you're not even using the power that you have when you have that electability it doesn't mean

00:43:38.040 anything you're you're you're withholding policy that could save american lives to maintain a

00:43:43.880 political optical situation that you're not even exploiting in the first place so we're just

00:43:49.080 chasing what being in the senate for no reason other than i guess it lines the pockets of these

00:43:54.860 people while they send more money to your crane like it's just obvious and it's it's it's a terrible

00:43:59.700 thing it's a cynical thing to think but i mean i really don't know how else we could uh describe this

00:44:05.540 behavior now we've got one more clip i want to play for you this is going to be the new

00:44:11.620 anti-semitism czar uh for the united states he's a rabbi and i'm going to pronounce this incorrectly

00:44:17.960 yehuda kaplan i think or something like that uh and uh this guy is going around talking about what

00:44:24.640 his plans are how how this role will play out in uh uh in the next year or two very strong message

00:44:32.360 think about it ironically i get off a plane i am the president's representative and i am walking off

00:44:38.360 with a yarmulke and i have kosher food and embassies will have kosher food it is a game changer the

00:44:45.660 appointment is a game changer and it's not about history

00:44:49.440 it's it's about education and how do we educate indonesia has 350 million muslims living in the

00:44:59.240 country how do we change their textbooks how do we hold the people in gaza accountable that if

00:45:05.240 america is paying for un textbooks and supposedly the changes are made why are those textbooks not

00:45:12.320 being used and why are they using their old textbooks we have to teach people it's not okay

00:45:17.000 to educate your kids to be a martyr okay and we have to hold those countries accountable how do we

00:45:24.420 battle anti-semitism on the internet how are we doing better on algorithms what companies can we work

00:45:33.360 with we are going to have a whole division within the office of the special envoy to combat anti-semitism

00:45:39.100 that is going to work on technology

00:45:42.120 so jay i don't know man i'm old enough to remember uh just you know six months ago uh when we really

00:45:52.380 pushed uh well i guess it's been you know a year at this point but you know when we pushed really hard

00:45:57.640 to get a guy elected to stop internet censorship to battle against the idea that our government would

00:46:04.460 be explicitly pressuring american companies to alter their algorithms so that they could hide

00:46:10.300 information and opinions of americans now don't get me wrong we literally just watched a terror attack

00:46:16.500 against jewish uh people worshiping in australia so i'm not going to be here and tell you there is no

00:46:23.400 problem with global anti-semitism or at least at some level these tribal conflicts right i understand

00:46:30.280 why somebody would be concerned about that scenario but this guy's job is not just to

00:46:39.360 somehow calm down the waters inside the united states he's planning a global campaign of censorship

00:46:47.020 he's talking about influencing the textbooks being used in indonesia controlling the flow of

00:46:53.780 information in indonesia now i'm sure their textbooks are garbage they're probably teaching

00:46:58.940 people something that they don't want they probably shouldn't learn i don't know i don't know enough

00:47:02.640 about indonesian textbooks but when you're saying okay our job is to go around and influence and

00:47:09.140 control what foreign countries put into their textbooks while in the united states

00:47:15.720 we literally still have textbooks that explicitly talk about how having white skin being a european

00:47:25.340 having descended from that ilk is evil and means that you are a horrible person that you deserve to

00:47:33.560 be putting on the bottom society that you might even be deserving of violence well this is a common

00:47:38.360 and public feature of textbooks in my country where i live in the united states where the majority of the

00:47:44.440 population just barely still shares this identity i have some problems when we appoint a guy whose

00:47:51.660 specific job is to go around the world controlling the content of those textbooks but they can't bother

00:47:58.100 to address the literal genocidal hate being expressed in my country for my people this gets really old

00:48:05.460 really quickly well especially because look you know we talked about the left-wing understanding of

00:48:13.580 patronage earlier right with this attack where you take your friends reward them and you punish your

00:48:20.200 enemies well i did a little bit of research and by that i mean i a simple google search and it seems as

00:48:26.820 if roughly 21 percent of jews voted for donald trump it's a significant minority and obviously you know

00:48:34.480 despite voting patterns we don't necessarily want to you know oppress anyone but nonetheless this seems like an

00:48:41.040 odd priority especially odd priority when we consider the wave of political violence that we talked

00:48:46.140 about you know the rampant anti-white discrimination because yeah sure like obviously you know we had a

00:48:52.400 multiple terror attack and it seems that there are apparently two options presented to us which is

00:48:57.480 this sort of orwellian like international system of thought control or we could take the people who got

00:49:04.420 here like four years ago and tell them to go back and that wouldn't happen seems like an easier solution

00:49:11.300 right then having some sort of like you know globes planning globe spanning plot to edit malaysian

00:49:19.480 textbooks uh additionally your point about free speech is is quite accurate right this issue seems to be

00:49:26.940 a sort of schmidtian exception where the normal rules that apply to everything else don't apply to

00:49:32.320 certain nations and interest groups i'll leave it at that additionally i just find it sort of

00:49:40.380 to be honest i find it sort of offensive right the idea that you know what we really need to do

00:49:46.640 is focus on this one particular issue when the people who are giving their loyalty to trump who have

00:49:53.520 said we are going to give you our votes are not only not receiving the same level of protection

00:49:58.640 but they are literally being shot and killed for the explicitly for their loyalty and it turns out

00:50:04.860 that you know eight out of ten can vote for kamala harris and they will still get better treatment than

00:50:10.340 groups like evangelical christians who support trump at the highest rates of any demographic group in the

00:50:15.900 u.s and again like i said just because a group didn't vote for you doesn't mean you should be horrible to

00:50:22.940 them but also politics is a two-way street there are rewards ideally for loyalty and the way the game

00:50:32.720 is supposed to work is hey i'll vote for you and when you're in power remember that i voted for you

00:50:38.260 right give me the things that you promised and when seemingly for this group and for others as well

00:50:45.900 you can again have your cake and eat it too you can vote for the left you will be protected you will be

00:50:52.420 rewarded or when the right gets in you'll still be protected and rewarded this is seemingly an

00:50:58.400 incredible deal right one that isn't really offered to anyone else and again talking about misplaced

00:51:04.020 priorities i understand you know there are large donors you have to appease your donors i completely get

00:51:08.740 that but this is particularly out of touch when combined with the issues that our people

00:51:14.540 right normal flyover american evangelical christians have been getting slammed getting slammed by

00:51:21.920 legal replacement migration h1bs an affordability crisis and again maybe some of that's out of your

00:51:29.380 control but when you're taking your political capital and expending it like this

00:51:33.900 people will remember that again politics is a two-way street and when you are already staring down

00:51:42.120 what is likely going to be a rough midterm again just due to the normal patterns of politics the normal

00:51:48.420 physics of how the electoral system works that's going to happen and when you are effectively making

00:51:54.600 that problem worse by not giving your guys the things that they need well at a certain point like

00:52:03.000 have we betrayed the president or vice versa because you can't simply command loyalty without giving out

00:52:11.580 patronage and look i understand the things that you mentioned earlier are are very true those are big

00:52:17.180 deals and i don't want to minimize that but this stuff it doesn't play great to be perfectly honest and i

00:52:24.840 understand there's a large part of the republican base that is very concerned with anti-semitism

00:52:29.900 even if they are not themselves jewish are very concerned with the nation of israel that is a highly

00:52:34.980 generationally divided opinion and youth voters young people uh don't exactly feel the same way

00:52:43.220 for right or for wrong and those voters swung hard for trump gen z men helped trump win and as we've seen

00:52:52.400 in the election in new york which admittedly is a very specific slice of that population but you see it

00:52:57.880 in polling as well a large portion of that youth republican base is uh to put it mildly extremely

00:53:04.120 demotivated and to be honest uh expenditures of political capital like this are a big reason why

00:53:11.320 yeah i think both of those points that you made are just incredibly critical uh you you are right to

00:53:19.000 point out you know that i think the you know the it changes from election to election but it's usually

00:53:23.880 about 70 30 split uh when it comes to jews voting for democrats versus republicans which makes them

00:53:31.400 the second most monolithic block after black americans and to be fair that's another block that

00:53:36.920 republicans have been obsessed with winning despite the fact that they don't care and so they'll do

00:53:41.820 everything for black americans and black americans will reliably come out and vote for the democratic

00:53:46.500 party anyway and this has been noted you know there are other commentators in the mainstream who have

00:53:52.120 finally started to say okay well why are we chasing the black vote when it's clear that no matter what

00:53:56.780 we do for black americans we're just never going to win the black vote but they haven't quite made

00:54:01.040 it to this one right like why why are we chasing this vote and why are we going out of our way on a

00:54:06.060 regular basis to do everything we can for this one community that reliably never supports the

00:54:12.360 republicans or trump or anyone on the right but we will go out of our way to do nothing for the

00:54:18.600 people who actually do vote for the president on a regular basis we will not provide for them we will

00:54:23.960 not protect them we will not in any way reward them for their loyalty all of our focus is on winning

00:54:29.160 this extremely small group that still doesn't do anything for us does not even show up with their very

00:54:35.180 small numbers to support us on a regular basis this is just insane and it becomes this is why it

00:54:41.380 enrages people because it is it feels inexplicable by any other argument than that there is some kind

00:54:47.760 of power being wielded over the republican apparatus or the wider american political apparatus

00:54:53.380 that has to explain this problem right the numbers don't add up if we just look at self-interest

00:54:58.860 if we just go with the classic republican marketplace this makes no sense in the marketplace of political

00:55:05.340 power this commitment to this issue at this level of severity while not looking at any of the other

00:55:12.440 things of your actual supporters are facing like there there has to be an explanation for the bad

00:55:18.640 that fact and the fact that we continue to run into this over and over again is also infuriating because

00:55:23.560 as you point out we could just ban these people from the united states if you ban muslims from the united

00:55:29.960 states it doesn't matter what muslims in indonesia are learning no one cares because it doesn't impact us

00:55:35.700 but that's never the answer the answer is always no we need total control of the information strategy

00:55:42.600 across the world and if this sounds familiar it's because it's neocon it's just neocon foreign policy

00:55:48.040 it's not about stopping muslims from entering the united states and doing terrorism here it's literally about

00:55:54.700 making the entire globe safe for a particular diaspora and not only is our entire military involved

00:56:01.920 in this project but apparently also our entire social capital is built into this project because

00:56:08.760 banning muslims from the united states only protects jews in the united states along with along with the

00:56:14.020 rest of america which is what matters but that's not the goal the goal is complete total domination of

00:56:20.600 the world and its understanding so that this particular group spread across the globe can be have this

00:56:28.040 protection carved out i don't want politicians who care more about random minorities in europe or

00:56:35.860 australia than they care about my people here in the u.s that are actually supposed to be defended

00:56:42.040 and represented by them again that doesn't mean i don't think australia has a anti-semitism problem due

00:56:48.660 to muslim immigration it clearly does there was just a horrible terror attack which absolutely condemn

00:56:54.160 but at some point you have to ask why is the solution always global domination and never just

00:57:01.320 closing our own borders and the answer is unfortunately very clear and to exactly that point

00:57:08.440 it goes back to what really seems to be the central question of the 2020s which is what is the purpose of

00:57:15.960 america is the purpose of america to be a home for americans or is it to secure the existence of

00:57:22.960 some other nation to to act as some sort of you know to act as some sort of you know external force

00:57:31.260 doing someone else's bidding because i don't think that is the case and i might be wrong but when things

00:57:37.020 like this come up it seems to be an explanation right it seems to describe why you know a political

00:57:45.240 system such as ours is acting in a seemingly illogical manner and okay maybe i'm wrong i'd be happy to see

00:57:53.620 evidence to the contrary but it's incredibly aggravating because i would like to be treated with

00:58:00.420 this level of deference by my own nation if you know my country of america was this concerned about

00:58:07.780 the outlook for americans like you and i are on well great fair enough that seems to be the purpose of

00:58:13.780 having a country named america right one that fights for my own interests but when that is not

00:58:18.880 only not the case but it seems to take all of those resources and shunt them elsewhere for the benefits of

00:58:24.000 others well to be honest man like what am i getting out of this deal here it seems like the deal offered

00:58:32.080 to people like you and i is basically well you get to fund a bunch of systems which are awesome for

00:58:38.000 people other than you i mean if if you had a contract like that that we take your money and

00:58:44.660 give it to other people and make their lives way better and uh maybe sometimes we'll just like

00:58:49.980 stop bothering you quite as much would you sign that no of course you would and obviously look we

00:58:55.660 understand every government is corrupt every government has interests that are you know compromised

00:59:00.780 in some way but to be perfectly honest man like this isn't a great deal this is not to our best

00:59:08.220 interest and to me i think it's it's a large part of the reason that many people are feeling

00:59:14.180 disheartened that many people feel like there's no one for me and if you remember why trump shot into

00:59:20.720 popularity i read more popular than his base than almost any other republican in my life why he is you

00:59:26.300 held with this insane sort of reverence it's because many people who were not voters or low

00:59:31.480 propensity voters as we've been assured felt like finally there's a guy for me finally there's a guy

00:59:37.440 who cares what happens in my tiny little town in ohio or pennsylvania and sure yeah fair enough

00:59:47.320 but when stuff like this happens you're like well do we do we actually care about that because you

00:59:53.740 know as a guy once said by their fruit you will know them and it seems as if we are not seeing

00:59:59.180 the fruit of that sort of deep love for fly over normal americans i'll leave it at that

01:00:05.440 yeah i think we should leave all of that there just to say uh again you know quite quite a frustrating

01:00:13.220 uh weekend across the board unfortunately lots of tragedy lots of missed opportunities and uh sadly

01:00:19.680 some critical failures that i think need to be addressed but before we move over to the thoughts

01:00:25.340 of the people jay where can people find your excellent show yeah thank you so much man so i am

01:00:31.140 the host of the jay burden show one episode a day interview show i've had oran on a number of times as

01:00:37.000 well as many other favorites incidentally uh this issue that we spoke about most recently is the subject

01:00:42.620 of an upcoming article i have in chronicles magazine don't know when it'll come out exactly but if you're

01:00:47.980 interested in my thoughts on why the republican party is so devoted to collecting votes from

01:00:54.080 people who will never vote for them be sure to check that out and again aaron thank you so much for

01:00:58.540 having me on absolutely let's go to the questions of the people here uh author in california says every

01:01:07.520 political and liberal uh every politician and liberal repeat the u.s general's uh comment on the

01:01:14.000 2009 fort hood incident as horrific as this tragedy was it was our our diversity becomes a casualty

01:01:20.600 if our diversity becomes a casualty i think that's worse mass immigration is the problem yeah i mean again

01:01:26.260 mass deportations is the silver bullet it it solves everything it it solves housing prices it solves

01:01:35.300 school overcrowding it solves medical overcrowding it solves terrorism it solves crime it solves traffic

01:01:43.120 uh we coach cultural cohesion all of it can change this is the fix everything button and all we have

01:01:50.660 to do is collectively hit it and so that's why i'm just going to be beat this drum to death like

01:01:55.740 everybody has to go back all of them muslim ban complete muslim ban for immigration not a single

01:02:02.640 muslim comes into my country ever again not on a passport not on a student visa not for tourism

01:02:08.720 nothing they never enter this country again for the ones that are here right now on visas we expel

01:02:16.600 them we cancel the visa we send them home and then for the ones that are actually citizens and we can't

01:02:23.200 immediately send back or ban we ban islamic uh islamic participation in politics as a candidate

01:02:31.340 that i don't care i don't care what what you think it breaks i don't care what rule you think it violates

01:02:36.560 i don't care what principle you think it violates this needs to happen and if you can't do this you

01:02:41.540 just can't have a country the end well and to that point arthur uh who has a decent sub stack by the

01:02:48.280 way you should check it out uh this is the schmidian exception much as we mentioned you know a certain

01:02:54.880 international lobby with the case of the gop this is the issue for which everything will bend

01:03:00.540 no matter what needs to be broken what needs to be reinterpreted what ideas need to change

01:03:06.240 the mass immigration will not stop because for them that is the win forever button and they are going

01:03:12.060 to keep pressing it forever and all of these problems well they're offloaded to you they're

01:03:18.280 not offloaded to them yet eventually they will and obviously that will be a very dark day when that

01:03:24.360 you know we become the third world so to speak but to be honest right again this is the advantage of

01:03:31.340 power is that you get to enforce your schmidian exception on everyone else and until they aren't

01:03:39.160 in power they're going to keep doing that basically forever cherry coke nixon says america seems to be

01:03:46.840 the only nation in the anglosphere that even somewhat understands what time it is why are canada

01:03:52.360 canada uk aussie excited so cucked on this you know it's interesting i mean obviously i think

01:03:58.320 canada and australia uh there's the thing about the the diaspora uh kind of kind of the the anglo

01:04:04.540 uh commonwealth countries uh they for some reason are just like hyper their entire yeah i think i

01:04:10.860 honestly i think they have an inferior already conflicts to the uh united states so their job is to

01:04:16.280 like be the anti-united states whatever we are whatever we're passionate about they're actually

01:04:20.740 much better so if we're if we're opposing the leftism they're you know they embrace it fully

01:04:25.720 they they go down that path as quickly as possible uk is slightly different it's funny because i hear uk

01:04:30.620 commentators say actually we're cooked and they're they're in a better position i i really don't

01:04:35.920 understand how they come to that conclusion honestly that one seems very very confusing to me

01:04:41.160 but they do keep asserting that over and over again um but i think the answer is ultimately that

01:04:47.020 america simply has a more robust culture and the fact that ultimately at some level we are ground

01:04:53.900 zero for this culture war and so we have our own antibodies like the the the opposition to this

01:05:00.020 culture war starts here for the same reason that the liberal version of this culture war starts here

01:05:05.200 and so we have a more robust immune system and are more willing to fight back uh because we actually

01:05:10.860 have had to experience this for longer nixon also says uh halal right says bondi was a massad false

01:05:19.840 flag uh their fellow travelers say charlie was done by any number of foreign governments but not the

01:05:24.740 trans tifa crowd and now they we have college reps targeted at brown you yeah i mean i i said this again

01:05:31.220 uh recently but uh however you personally feel about israel and i have my own problems with the

01:05:39.240 country's influence in my own nation never ever ever think that this makes islam or muslims your

01:05:45.640 friends never go to this level where you're like well every single attack on a jewish person has to

01:05:51.520 then be fake like this is just dumb conspiratorial thinking of course muslims can and will shoot

01:05:57.680 jewish people now that doesn't mean that everything israel does is okay or every application of power over

01:06:02.940 my country is fine but this is the reality of the ground muslims are not your friends they are violent

01:06:07.080 people they want to murder you and yes they also want to murder jewish people and that means that

01:06:12.920 that's going to unfold like that that's a natural and obvious occurrence we see this all the time uh so

01:06:20.640 simply because people you suddenly feel like are creating some problem get targeted like that is not

01:06:26.900 an excuse to like pretend like this is not real uh that said uh you know at some point australia has to

01:06:34.000 address this this is not this is not just muslims existing as a problem australia can control its own

01:06:39.420 borders it can take action to solve this and obviously they have no interest in doing that in

01:06:44.160 any real way he also says gun laws are needed for the same reason costco has a chance uh change its

01:06:51.480 return policy and cvs has to lock up its basic goods high trust societies until 1965 weird yeah again

01:06:58.120 absolutely correct uh it's the laws are only necessary because your uh society has become so

01:07:03.960 diverse that you can no longer trust people to walk into a store or to you know pick something up off a

01:07:09.720 shelf or own a firearm and not randomly turn it on a crowd of people uh that was not a problem

01:07:15.480 previously it is a problem now and we are importing it on purpose exactly right and when we talk about a high

01:07:23.540 high trust society there are many things that our our parents and our grandparents just assumed were

01:07:28.840 part of normal life that we are finding out were in fact not normal they were very special and delicate

01:07:34.200 and once they're gone they're gone and as simple as being able to walk in and buy a stick of deodorant

01:07:39.500 it turns out you thought that was normal well guess what it's a privilege and it's a privilege that

01:07:44.680 like many other things will be sacrificed on the altar of diversity again the schmidian exception

01:07:50.180 and again these people don't shop at grocery stores so why does it matter for them if you have to go

01:07:57.080 through the humiliation ritual of asking some 19 year old kid to you know unlock your detergent or baby

01:08:03.220 formula before you buy it because it doesn't affect them what does affect them is their new voters

01:08:08.200 and so again a problem for you is a solution for them wild speaker says my opinions are becoming

01:08:17.000 the platonic form of a fed post whoever uh whoever has the fortitude to fix this has a blank check

01:08:23.540 whether it's trump or a painter again i keep trying to tell the right that is so worried the the

01:08:30.380 conservative the con inc the the mainstream conservatives that are so worried about backlash

01:08:35.000 i keep trying to tell them you fix this radically now or someone far more radical will fix it for you

01:08:41.280 later if you're really worried about the rise of authoritarianism and all this stuff then you want to stop

01:08:46.700 this now because again at some point the answer is franco at some point the correct and moral answer

01:08:53.080 is franco and if you want to stop that if you don't want to get to that point you need to take the action

01:08:59.760 but unfortunately you're right like i felt the same impulse when this uh you know shooting occurred

01:09:05.080 because i i just feel like nothing's going to be get done nothing's going to matter and somebody has

01:09:12.000 to pay a price again we don't know all the details yet on the brown shooting still don't know 100% if

01:09:17.000 it was politically motivated but if that turns out to be the case then there are some very very very

01:09:22.160 serious and bright lines that have to be drawn and without them you know well we'll leave it there

01:09:28.840 uh testing says uh the founding fathers never supported universal suffrage if your religion celebrates

01:09:35.560 my game over no vote for you seems simple yes yes it does the uh the the universal suffrage thing

01:09:41.000 is entirely manufactured it's entirely modern invention it's not constitutional it's not

01:09:45.400 historical it's not in our founding it's not grounded in our values every bit of it is artificial and

01:09:50.700 every bit of it should go well sorry aaron i'm gonna have to disagree with you because i think in order

01:09:56.480 to be uh true americans we need to let ourselves be killed because that's really what the founding was

01:10:03.560 all about it was a 300 year long suicide pact and sorry you're just the one left holding the gun at the

01:10:11.900 end but you have to do your part of the deal and just blow your brains out sorry that's what it is

01:10:16.700 and uh if you have disagreements with that if you think i think i would actually like to live in america

01:10:21.780 still uh well i think that you're you're woke right uh and we need to cancel you and i've been reliably

01:10:29.180 informed that that is really the the true meaning of america right and obviously i'm speaking

01:10:35.620 sarcastically but the idea that you know that this sort of tactical very specific view of the

01:10:42.760 constitution which is completely alien to the founders completely alien to anyone who lived before

01:10:48.480 you know this before 1945 it's absurd it's a completely laughable interpretation and again

01:10:57.020 none of this matters the constitution doesn't matter if america doesn't exist and look i love

01:11:02.940 that document as much as anyone else i have a great deal of cultural reverence for it i read it and it

01:11:09.420 feels like something that is mine but fundamentally the idea that that becomes a noose around our neck

01:11:14.740 for someone to walk up and strangle us is absurd and much like many other things we've mentioned that is

01:11:20.040 not an argument in good faith that is an argument that exists so that you will give up that you will

01:11:25.460 bequeath your political power right for whatever fraction you have your influence to someone else

01:11:30.700 and it will be used against you in in exactly the same kind of like high-handed uh you know moralizing

01:11:39.940 way that we see from the woke left anyway yeah you're you're uh oswald spangler's uh roman soldier

01:11:46.560 at pompeii you know stoically waiting for the uh volcano to reach you except in this case it's just

01:11:53.020 letting a bunch of muslims come in and rape your women and shoot you in the face um

01:11:57.580 marcos says uh our fellow aussie bros uh having a difficult run many are quiet and uh despondent at

01:12:06.620 the moment would be great to hear about this in due course from one of our guys yeah i mean i can try to

01:12:12.940 grab a based uh aussie guy i mean i know at least one actually um who has returned to the internet here

01:12:19.320 recently so perhaps i can draw upon him but yeah australia really isn't a terrible position again

01:12:25.080 i just having conversations what with what passes as a conservative there i mean they make britain

01:12:30.420 look like they have staunch right wingers like that's that's how bad australia is they they you

01:12:35.460 know they're on par with canada uh perhaps maybe even worse somehow uh but it is quite bad over there

01:12:41.040 so yeah getting some some straight uh uh straight talk from one of the guys down there getting it

01:12:45.920 straight from the horse's mouth might be worth it well aaron i uh i think we're thinking of the

01:12:50.640 same guy because he is apparently watching because i don't know if you saw i flicked my screen over

01:12:55.120 to 13 notifications from him so uh fair enough well then uh we'll uh maybe we'll have to drag him on

01:13:04.160 soon for that discussion he also says thanks for addressing this lads uh festive greetings well thank

01:13:09.140 you very much man appreciate it and he says uh inter-semitic uh fraternal strife is not our

01:13:15.560 problem um i mean are the pakistani semitic people that is that is that accurate i don't know i've been

01:13:21.760 informed on twitter that they're arian uh but i think that might be motivated reasoning yeah i mean

01:13:28.320 obviously your arabs are semitic uh but i don't know uh i i my ethnology is not uh is not sufficient to

01:13:35.880 know all of that but i'll have to trust you on that uh and uh illegitimate scholar says like the

01:13:42.000 video or the bad guys when well yes thank you very much guys appreciate everybody for watching

01:13:46.260 and of course appreciate you bringing that up we uh appreciate all your support your super chats and

01:13:51.920 your likes everything helps with the algorithm uh as you might guess youtube is not a huge fan of my

01:13:56.320 content uh so boosting it in any way is really appreciated tim miller says trump is a coward no further

01:14:03.040 comment again i think that you have to work with the trump administration uh this is our again they've

01:14:10.320 made big strides this is probably our best push for years but i'm not gonna lie they are far from above

01:14:17.200 reproach this is an area in which they have failed or have been insufficient and i will continue to push

01:14:22.280 on that while overall thinking that we need to stay inside the tent and be able to push inside the

01:14:27.360 coalition rather than run out and alienate ourselves and have no uh no no point of political uh influence

01:14:33.760 uh but i i will not uh pretend that this this is a disappointing response on several levels uh from

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - December 15, 2025

Islamic Terror in Australia ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 12⧸15⧸25

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