The Prudentialist joins me to discuss the latest conspiracy theory that James Lindsay has lost his mind, and that he may have actually gone insane. We will unfold this before you, so you can judge for yourselves.
00:05:48.720So I want to start with a little bit of background for people who are not familiar with, okay, why is all this happening in the first place?
00:05:56.840Why is James Lindsay trying to beef here?
00:06:01.740So for those who are unfamiliar, and I don't blame you for being unfamiliar, I would not want you to follow all this drama all the time.
00:06:09.980But James Lindsay was this guy who was a mathematician, right?
00:06:14.900As far as I know, I don't know all the James Lindsay lore, but from what I know, he's this mathematician.
00:06:20.060And you obviously have this revolution in the academy.
00:06:24.820Wokeness comes in, and I believe he was part of, what would you call this, like the IDW wave two, kind of?
00:06:32.360He was part of this, you know, he and Helen Pluckrose and some others, you know, got together and submitted these papers into academic journals with a bunch of leftist jargon.
00:06:47.300And it was something about, like, you know, the male phallus being something to do with the weather.
00:06:52.100And I think he even got, like, a copy of Mein Kampf through it or something at some point.
00:06:56.580Yeah, he's known for the grievance studies affair.
00:07:00.860It was him, Helen Pluckrose, Peter Boghossian.
00:07:06.560But, I mean, if you go back to his early career before all that started, you know, he was a well-known new atheist.
00:07:12.580The first three books he ever wrote from 2012 to 2015 were about atheism.
00:07:17.220You know, God doesn't, we do, only humans can solve human problems, dot, dot, dot, infinity plus God equals folly, and everyone is wrong about God.
00:07:24.980And sort of you get after this is where he gets sort of his claim to fame about sort of being an anti-woke academic.
00:07:31.640And there's this sort of deep American, but also, I would guess, sort of just like a Western belief that there's credibility in institutions, and we should defend them, and institutional credibility is essential.
00:07:41.840And he does take his own studies and his own academic background seriously.
00:07:46.000I'm sure that he knows quite a bit of things that I probably don't, or with respects to mathematics or other parts of his, you know, career.
00:07:53.160But at the same time, when you look at what is about to happen in terms of politics, like any other person online, you can be exposed to things that break your brain very quickly.
00:08:04.420Like, obviously, the new atheism stuff is cringy.
00:08:07.560This is already a guy who's not just about mathematics.
00:08:09.840He's out of his field writing books about stuff he doesn't understand, because that's how new atheists work, right?
00:08:14.860Like, you're not really a new atheist unless you have a degree in something that's wildly unrelated to any grasp of religion or philosophy or theology.
00:08:24.680And then you write several books only on that topic instead of the thing you're actually educated in.
00:08:43.020And he made a name for himself, not only doing these grievance study stuff, but he started putting together these genealogies of kind of critical theory and extolling the different,
00:08:53.780or rather just explaining and diving into the different aspects of all these postmodernists.
00:08:59.800And to the extent where he did that, that's great.
00:09:02.600You know, again, I was only tangentially aware of this guy.
00:09:20.720He would even retweet me from time to time, memes and stuff that I put up there.
00:09:25.000And that was back when I was like a little, you know, PFP and on account.
00:09:29.000So I was like, oh, cool, you know, blah, blah, blah.
00:09:30.720And then one day, James Lindsay decided to like fly off the handle at someone who I was friendly with, Alex Kishuda.
00:09:38.480He discovered Alex Kishuda and the fact that there were some people who might not think that classical liberalism was actually the word of God inscribed onto the tablets of Western civilization.
00:09:48.960And maybe there were some things about liberalism as James Lindsay understands it, which what James Lindsay believes in is not classical liberalism.
00:09:57.340To be really clear, like, you know, John Locke would throw James Lindsay down a well, but he does not agree with classical liberalism at all, but that's what he thinks he believes in.
00:10:07.000And so, you know, he found out that there were some people who were not hot on this.
00:10:11.300And so he started attacking Alex Kishuda.
00:10:13.100And I just posted the James Burnham quote that liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide for James Lindsay.
00:10:19.980And he just immediately blocked me because this is like what James Lindsay does for everybody.
00:10:43.120Because that was one of the first videos I ever made commenting on Idram.
00:10:46.480And I sort of called him like a guirondon from like the French Revolution.
00:10:49.640These sort of, you know, we're not the, you know, we're not the Jacobins, but we're also kind of on board with a lot of the things they believe in and want to do some moderation.
00:10:58.020And I'm not the only person who's made that comparison.
00:11:00.700But at the same time, him and a lot of the people in the IDW are, you know, parts of what would probably be called respectable liberal academic society.
00:11:09.260Prior to the Great Awakening, and now they're kind of seeing the logical conclusions of their ideologies come home to roost.
00:11:14.840And if anyone who wants to push back in a rightward direction or even explore a different avenue other than, say, the classical liberalism will save us, you know, type of politics from the early 2010s to maybe 2016, 17, that clearly is too far for them.
00:11:32.280And I think that your piece on the neocon cycle, you know, this constant, oh, things keep moving leftward, so we have to push out anyone further to the right of us, is kind of a good example of what we see here.
00:11:43.140And again, James Lindsay being a sort of a new atheist and sees things the way that only a new atheist can, he's kind of got a very limited epistemological framework.
00:11:54.300I think that that leads to seeing someone like Alex Kishuda, who goes to church and is a proponent for family, as well as other people on the right.
00:12:02.280I'm also blocked by James Lindsay, so I mean, who cares?
00:12:04.660But like, it does illustrate, but it illustrates a certain point, is that when all you have is a hammer and all you're going to see is a nail, you know, what kills me about all of this is that a man who probably despises right-wingers more than he does left-wingers,
00:12:17.740and he has said this on the record, that he fears, you know, a swing to the right more than he does really the woke left, that, you know, he will go to these TPUSA pastor conferences.
00:12:28.700And I'm like, sir, you've written three books about why God isn't real and how human rationalism can solve all problems, but now you're supposed to talk to, you know, these evangelical or non-denominational pastors about the Gnosticism of the woke or the religiosity of the wokeness.
00:12:45.780And again, it does, I think, highlight a significant flaw in his thinking that, you know, all things have to be framed within a religious kind of rationalist framework that, like, religion bad, clearly, you know, we can overcome these sort of things, you know, sort of like the whole the demons in a world of darkness or something like that, Allah Dawkins and Sagan.
00:13:05.260Yeah, the fact that the conservative movement elevated this guy at all is just insane, right?
00:13:11.320It's like the same thing that happens with Bill Maher and that happened with, what's the other insufferable new atheist, Sam Harris.
00:13:18.820You know, these guys were like, welcome to, oh, look at all the smart things, they're on our team, they hate the wokeness, they're just like us, blah, blah, blah.
00:13:25.540Actually, no, they hate you way more, they're way more scared of you.
00:13:32.020Like, and it's the same situation for some reason, like you said, you know, guys like Charlie Kirk, they're like, this is the guy we want to model for Christian leaders, is this guy who hates them.
00:13:41.240And James Lindsay has been very clear that he hates religion, he specifically hates Christianity, he really hates people on the right wing, he thinks they are much worse than people on the left wing and are very dangerous.
00:13:51.800He's been very clear about all of this, none of this is hesitation, none of this is in any way vague, you can find all of these tweets and quotes, and it's all out there, he's been all extremely clear about it.
00:14:02.200He is a bigot who hates Christianity, wants to see it destroyed, hates people on the right, fears them, thinks that they need to be completely controlled and locked away.
00:14:12.080And that's exactly what he tried to do, right?
00:14:13.900Like you said, it's part of the neon con cycle.
00:14:15.860Oh, I got pushed out of the left because the left got slightly too crazy.
00:14:19.160Well, now I have to be on the right, but I hate the right, so actually I'm just going to gatekeep the right, I'm going to transform the right, I'm going to turn the right into the kind of left I wanted, and that got away from me.
00:14:31.820So when he's inventing terms like the postmodern right or the woke right, he's just saying people who are actually right wing, because I'm actually left wing, and I wanted to say left wing, but the left actually just invalidated the ground under which I stood, the thing I had built my career and my reputation on, so now I have to hang out with these guys even though I completely loathe them.
00:14:54.840And so every once in a while, you know, even though I was blocked, Lindsay would like shoot out these, you know, like once every like couple months, he would spurg out and then like scream at me from behind a block.
00:15:04.540I didn't know anything what was going on to him.
00:15:06.280I wasn't paying attention to what was going on to him.
00:15:07.920It's just something he would do every few months.
00:16:15.520Just absolutely, just completely unspooled and created a massive thread about how actually Donald Trump has been infiltrated by a large, well, I mean, I'll just read it.
00:17:45.080So now Michael idolatry, I mean, I guess, you know, sure, will be a big, big thing for our side.
00:17:54.960And the theophysists will fill in the details of what it means for most broadly ignorant Americans to mislead Christians further, particularly towards war and violence.
00:18:05.900Now, I have to say, I'm not big on theosophy.
00:18:34.900The left will use it to characterize Trump as a religious warlord, fitting the worst of the operation Christian nationalism motifs.
00:18:45.160Man, there's a lot of operations in the John James Lindsay sphere because of the left to right dialectic in play in the op will be forced to take a side or dip out into a relevance with respect to the op.
00:19:06.840I mean, it's sort of wild to me because historically speaking, like theosophy was founded by like some obscure Russian mystics and wasn't it had its founding in America.
00:19:16.640And it pulls from like Gnosticism and Neoplatonism and like ancient Vedic texts.
00:19:21.200But sure, somehow we're going to confuse a prayer of archangel.
00:19:24.980Like this makes Q people look far more sane than than anything else I can really say on this particular matter.
00:19:32.600It's just it's like a certain other online personality, not knowing whether or not a certain book about theosophy was written by another character.
00:19:41.000But like it does illustrate, I think, a particularly important point here.
00:19:44.440Like you are willing to create this grand fiction and internalized meta narrative about the fact that it was September 29th on the Roman Catholic calendar.
00:19:54.900That's the feast of the Archangel Michael, you know, the leader of the bodiless hosts.
00:19:59.200And then all of a sudden, you know, I don't even think it was Trump himself.
00:20:02.420I think it was just like the Trump war room, like the campaign account, which I don't think it was.
00:20:06.220It wasn't Trump personally going out copying, pasting, you know, because it's not that's not Trump.
00:20:11.520But someone in his team was like, oh, pander, you know, to Catholic conservative Catholic voters, which tends to be the case.
00:20:19.780You know, we get all these like, hey, happy Rosh Hashanah or Kwanzaa from people in the Republican Party.
00:20:24.440So nice for once for someone to pander to actually like Christians, you know.
00:20:28.600I mean, Trump on Truth Social even had a picture of the Lady of Guadalupe on his like Truth Social account and just said, happy birthday, Mary, for the feast of the nativity of the mother of God.
00:20:41.260And it was just like, OK, you know, like it's interesting to see that that being pandered to.
00:21:01.500Some form of Christianity being put out by a public figure because God knows that doesn't happen every day.
00:21:07.360But because of all the religions that are acceptable because it's that famous, you know, in-group preference versus out-group preference, you know, everyone else has to be catered to except anyone who adheres to any form of traditional Christianity in any respect.
00:21:22.140And because that was put out there by a Republican presidential candidates campaign, this is the end of the world.
00:21:28.600And somehow, you know, Archangel Michael is going to be the downfall of sort of this like conservative anti-woke coalition consisting of, you know, credentialed, obsessed new atheists like James Lindsay to everyone like, you know, Charlie Kirk and the rest.
00:21:46.240Even though I don't even think Kirk's a Catholic, but I mean, again, it just illustrates that when you are so adamant to define yourself by what you oppose.
00:21:55.920And I always find it funny when like online communists will take that one quote out of context of like the liberals will always side with the fascists.
00:22:04.820Like if anything, historically speaking, James Lindsay, a liberal, is going to happily side with the communists every single time because he doesn't fear them like everyone else would, you know, like every reasonable person fears communism or any other kind of far left ideology.
00:22:18.920And I mean, one of the things I think is really important to look at is a great book by Ryszard Legutko called The Demon in Democracy, where he kind of just asks the question, hey, how come we didn't punish the communists after the Cold War ended?
00:22:31.520Well, it turns out communists make really good social democrats or liberals in general.
00:22:36.740And that's why I always find it funny in that in the Oppenheimer film where it's like, well, you know, Mr. Oppenheimer, you're a communist.
00:22:41.900He's like, no, I'm a New Deal democrat.
00:22:43.420It's like, well, there's very little difference between the two.
00:22:45.340And that's the same thing that we're kind of seeing here is that he is so terrified that someone isn't a liberal or isn't, you know, adhering to the secularized worldview of the nation or just sort of this 19th century post-enlightenment idea of the state where like religion is not a public mainframe or something that we all take part of.
00:23:03.960And he has to view everything like it's a religious aspect, regardless of whether or not it is an actual religion that we might recognize, just, you know, Christianity or Hinduism.
00:23:13.880But instead, you know, the idea of the left being a religion, for him, that's a perfect attack vector because he's a new atheist.
00:23:21.020But in this respect, you know, because someone did something on a Roman Catholic feast day, this is just too far.
00:23:27.940And then somehow all the QAnon people are going to rise up and take over every section of the Republican Party as we know it.
00:24:05.240It's not rocket science in the slightest.
00:24:06.840He might be working with Christians now for the moment.
00:24:10.220He might talk to you for a minute because he thinks that he can be a co-belligerent.
00:24:14.200It might be useful to grift off you for a while.
00:24:16.920But ultimately, he knows who his enemies are, and his enemy is Christianity.
00:24:21.680And so the minute he sees Christianity introduce itself into the public square, he acts as if the things he really hates are involved, right?
00:24:33.700What he really hates is Christianity, and so when he thinks that he can use Christianity to destroy wokeness, he'll use it for a moment.
00:24:40.380But the minute he thinks that Christians are actually going to assert themselves and have beliefs and care about things, well, then it's time to demonize them because they're the real danger.
00:24:48.600The people, as you just pointed out, that he really actually wants to oppose, not the leftists.
00:24:54.800He is closer to communists, whether he believes it or not, than he is to anything on the right.
00:25:00.160But he would like to create this version of the right, which is just containment 90s leftism.
00:25:05.500So any actual right is showing up, any Christianity, any actual invocation of the good, the beautiful, and the true, these are things that he has to attack.
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00:27:02.020All right, guys, let's learn a little bit more about how, you know, Catholics are conspiring with a Zoroastrian demon to destroy the United States.
00:27:13.300So meanwhile, since it's a dialectic attack, remember, dialectic attack, very dangerous buzzword, the left will use it to characterize Trump as a religious warlord.
00:27:24.980The next paragraph, the office have a very particular and evil interpretation of Michael as the bringer of the new age and driver of human evolution, which they explicitly seek to control.
00:27:36.440He is the bridge, the mediator for them between the figures of Christ, Lucifer, and the Zoroastrian demon of chaos and division, Eremon, from whom they regard as equally sacred parts of a triune whole.
00:27:50.820The spiritualism of this occult religion, I want to be clear, this is what he thinks has captured Donald Trump's campaign.
00:27:58.700It is already completely infused in your children's school through social-emotional learning.
00:28:04.000Now, as someone who has had to sit through social-emotional learning training, I will tell you that it is evil, though I have to be clear, at no point did they bring up a Zoroastrian demon, though I would not have been surprised if they did.
00:28:16.040So, which comes from the Fetzer Institute, the Fetzer Institute is an occult, theosophical non-profit based upon channeling and summoning Michael in order to bring in the next spiritual age of humanity, Aquarius.
00:28:36.940Elements of this view will be sprinkled in various subtle ways, never openly invoking Lucifer or Eremon, but only their positive-seeming attributes to ensnare good-believing Christians.
00:28:50.780You see, Christians, he's just looking out for you.
00:29:02.660To be taken astray, Michael Flynn's Christian nationalism has been appealing to Michael in the exact words of theophysus' Claire Prophet for years,
00:29:17.680leading assuming Christians to repeat her incantations word-for-word in mass groups as a prayer beyond heretical.
00:29:27.180So, there's some form of Christian nationalism out there that is encouraging its followers to say prayers in a circle to a demon.
00:29:41.640I guess he's just assuming that a Catholic prayer to an archangel is the equivalent of whatever this Claire...
00:29:49.180And, of course, the names that are being thrown out here with no citation needed, Mr. Academic.
00:29:56.720But on top of that, right, like, again, we're throwing out every buzzword that he knows.
00:30:01.780Dialectic, the Christian nationalism, anything saying about conspiracy, or, again, we're referencing theophysists or Gnosticism and so on.
00:30:10.200And I think that it's sort of important to realize that, like, this is broad-brush generalizations.
00:30:16.160This goes back to, like, when he was arguing with Kishuda or Paul Gottfried.
00:30:20.100You know, like, Lindsay looks at Marxism, for example, as a theory based on, like, just oppressor or oppress binary, very similar to how the left views everything.
00:30:44.200And, of course, like, that's his only idea is to look at this through a religious lens as a new atheist.
00:30:49.260When all you have is a hammer, everything becomes a nail.
00:30:51.460This is why everything is about sort of neo-Marxist Gnosticism.
00:30:55.120A lot of neos in there, a lot of references to religions or neoplatonist ideals that aren't particularly Christian and, you know, historically have been very anti-Christian, which kind of surprises me that he's on board with calling it that when he is so anti-Christian himself.
00:31:08.840But at the same time, you know, if he calls something religious, any movement, any ideology, any action, any belief, then all of a sudden he's going to go out of his way to view it like any kind of new atheist does from the 2000s and the early 90s,
00:31:21.880is to identify a religious vector in society, use the state to oppress it, or call out the state to oppress it, and then to hope that you'll be fine.
00:31:31.040Now, there is a religious aspect to the left today.
00:31:33.460I think that that is something that maybe James and I could agree on.
00:31:36.780But at the same time, James is trying to appeal to institutions that hate him because he's opposed to them to some extent, also because he's white, also because he's male, and also because he's straight, allegedly.
00:31:49.640And all those things kind of play out in the way, shape, and form that it's like, oh, you're appealing to the people that would happily throw you into the gulag with me.
00:32:17.540And it's so funny to call everything Gnostic because he's just pulling that straight from Eric Vogelin, you know, very famous for other phrases like don't eminentize the eschaton,
00:32:26.160or he wrote a great book about, like, science, mathematics, and Gnosticism, which are stuff that is well worth reading.
00:32:30.960I just find it funny that he's, like, pulling from a Catholic writer and scholar to do all these things while fervently hating Roman Catholicism,
00:32:38.740fervently hating, you know, white evangelical Christians trying to be one of the largest moral majority voting bulwarks in the country.
00:32:46.060It's why he hates Stephen Wolf and everyone else like him.
00:32:48.560So it really doesn't matter where you fall in the denominational or church camp in this instance.
00:32:53.280But in part, he's going to go even further into this take and start naming you as one of these, like, inner adepts of a dark, evil school of theophacists and so on,
00:33:02.980which is hilarious considering your background.
00:33:05.600Yeah, I should be clear before we get any further into this.
00:33:08.700Neither of us are Catholic, so we don't have a particular fight in this.
00:33:12.820You're Orthodox and I am Southern Baptist.
00:33:15.480But, you know, details are inconsequential to James Lindsay.
00:33:20.320He's got it all spread out on the board.
00:33:22.120There's a lot of yarn in between all the different pegs on the map.
00:33:25.240He says here, let me finish this part real quick before we get to the other thread where he attacks me directly.
00:33:31.900The cult that controls the world and the left believes this occult religion and will certainly co-opt the right into its dialectical foil version and partial spiritual contamination.
00:33:44.360It's also covered over with the fingerprints of counterintelligence operations we should be very slow to trust.
00:35:13.780So here's the other part of the schizo posting, the one where he decides to bring me into this.
00:35:21.160And again, guys, drama is not a regular part of the channel, but, you know, when someone says stuff like this, what else are you going to do?
00:35:59.180So what James Lindsay is about to do is group all the people he doesn't like into a basket, even though they, in many cases, have nothing to do with each other and directly oppose each other.
00:36:09.300So he's going to list off just everybody he dislikes and assume that they all worship the same cult of demons from Zohar and Astrianism and something to do with Theophysus.
00:36:54.940And to be fair, it's true that any actual right-wing thought has to be done, for the most part, outside of academia.
00:37:03.620That's actually one of the things that guys like James Lindsay has made sure of.
00:37:06.940So, what James Lindsay is criticizing here is guys like him have actively gatekept anyone who might actually be right-wing out of academia.
00:37:15.200So, there are very few right-wing professors in academia.
00:37:18.860I've met several of them through places like ISI.
00:37:21.740There's not very many of them, but nice to meet them.
00:37:24.140And so, he's right that a lot of this has to be done.
00:37:27.760A lot of political theory and other thinking has to be done outside of this.
00:37:30.640This is why some of the most relevant political theorists and others exploring philosophical issues or politics on the right have had to do some from outside of academia.
00:37:39.080Because it's simply a place that has been rejecting it.
00:37:41.340And James Lindsay and guys like him have been a central part of that.
00:37:44.940So, he's complaining about something that he helped to specifically manufacture.
00:37:48.340I mean, it's like he should know this himself after witnessing his own little grievance studies scandal.
00:37:56.260If you want to lament the depth and the dearth of knowledge that exists inside modern-day academic institutions, you're also a product of that.
00:38:04.780But on top of that, you also have to recognize that a lot of the scholars and theorists that many people on the right, including ourselves, will cite.
00:38:11.480Not only are they like bloggers or ex-leftists, but also that there are plenty of scholarly and academic work from prior to 1945 that you can cite, study, reliably go towards.
00:38:24.640I mean, this is why everyone kind of goes back to the basics like Plato and Aristotle long before modern Harvard was ever around that are pretty influential on my own conception of politics.
00:38:34.200But at the end of it all, right, because Vermeule's not a fan of me either, and I know that there's sort of like that whole sort of Catholic base, and there's the whole link to Sora, Bamari, and the rest of them, who we're not fans of either.
00:38:47.420But again, you have to lump everyone together and to attack them.
00:38:50.240But on top of that, right, we have to put ourselves up.
00:38:53.860So now James is getting all high and mighty saying, like, because I'm part of the institutions because I have these credentials, and you don't sort of just appeal to authority kind of fallacy to appeal to these institutions.
00:39:04.600It's so sad that, you know, that you only have these limited ne'er-do-wells to rely on these people I also just happen to not like, despite the fact that you can find quite a few conservative professors in universities.
00:39:19.820There's also, I don't know, you know, 5,000 years of recorded human history that I can go towards and cite far better than any sort of study or book that you've ever written or cited.
00:39:31.100I just don't appeal to the popular liberal consensus.
00:39:34.340But again, you know, here comes the conspiracy.
00:39:37.800Well, and again, James is famous for discrediting these exact institutions.
00:39:41.600So he's fully aware of how corrupt they are.
00:39:44.680He's fully aware of how destructive they are.
00:39:46.920He's fully aware of how infiltrated they are.
00:40:36.440You know, I don't I don't know anything he does outside of just being incredibly dishonest.
00:40:42.200But he says, perhaps most notably in the heavy promotion of Oren McIntyre, who is undoubtedly a fast tracked 2020 on woke right inner school adept.
00:40:51.180I would like to be clear that in 2020, I was teaching high school.
00:40:56.720I'd like to be clear that I was I was teaching kids about reconstruction.
00:41:01.360So if they've been fast tracking people in the woke right inner school, you know, I mean, as an adept, as you know, I've of course been promoted since then several levels, you know, I guess I guess he's saying you were groomed into the position.
00:41:18.520So, so, so, you know, obviously my takeover of conservative media, you know, I've single handedly, what incredible power I wield, living, living rent free in James's head all day.
00:41:35.080Let me make the point a little clearer.
00:41:37.200Thank you, James, because it has not been clear for you regarding the last week.
00:41:42.220The woke right already has at least one major conservative media outlet significantly, but not totally under its control.
00:41:49.020Yeah, I lead the woke right meetings at the blaze, you know, there like they have the morning prayer to whatever Zoroastrian deity he was talking about.
00:41:58.640You know, that's that's just a normal that's a normal ritual at the blaze, I guess, is the is the is the thought there.
00:42:06.640Um, they, they openly celebrate Carl Schmidians that Carl Schmidians run the show, uh, there now, this is a fascinating thing.
00:42:15.840So did you know that if you read a book by a philosopher, you are actually immediately a religious follower of that philosopher and they define everything about you, which is why if anyone, you know, James Lindsay read Plato.
00:42:31.820And that's why he is a fascist, right?
00:42:37.220James Lindsay, because he's familiar with the philosophy of Plato and might even cite Plato as being correct about something.
00:42:43.840He knows that the state should steal the children from their parents early on so that it can form them.
00:42:50.560James Lindsay believes that a hundred percent because he has read Plato and those are his rules.
00:42:55.360By James Lindsay's rules, if you read a philosopher and if you cite anything they say as possibly being correct, then you believe everything they've ever written and you buy into everything they've ever had.
00:43:29.760So if you've read Carl Schmitt, who is a widely read jurist on the left and the right, and you note that at any point in any of Carl Schmitt's work that he might be correct about something, you are Schmittian.
00:43:43.080And therefore, you probably are involved in some kind of theophysis, globalist conspiracy to worship Zoroastrian demons.
00:43:51.420Well, I think, again, his hatred for Schmitt, other than the, oh, he was alive and around and part of a particular regime that is universally hated because the Western world in the United States since 1945 is haunted by the ghost of fascism.
00:44:08.440And that means never again is all everywhere at all at once.
00:44:11.540And we can't have anything that resembles actual law and order or actual understanding of realpolitik.
00:44:18.380And so, you know, he has a very like boomer consensus of what power is.
00:44:22.620And in doing so, you know, the idea of rewarding your friends, your in-group and punishing the out-group, the enemy.
00:44:30.360And again, we're to dumb down Schmitt as much as possible and to not actually read any of his work, but to quote mine out of context.
00:44:37.160And then to say, oh, these guys are evil fascists. No, not really.
00:44:41.060And I mean, he's building off much older work than that.
00:44:43.240But also, I mean, this is why he has such a huge misunderstanding of power and he knows it deliberately.
00:44:48.080I can't even say it's a misunderstanding because he knows that any rational person who wants to wield power knows you reward your in-group and punish the out-group to build up your own power base.
00:44:57.260However, though, if someone does something about it, let's say, for instance, like Governor DeSantis and Disney or, you know, Elon Musk and Trump trying to help the actual victims of Hurricane Helen versus the federal government, you know, that seems to be, you know, verboten to him.
00:45:11.940And in doing so, I think because you throw that in there and then you talk about all this like theophysis, Gnostic, Hegelian dialectical things, I think that that breaks anyone's mind who is not prepared to actually study it or to rationally comprehend that position to the best of their ability.
00:45:28.060Yeah, a lot of that stuff was rampant during the Enlightenment.
00:45:30.340There were a lot of hermeneutical, a lot of theosophical, a lot of sort of like Gnostic, you know, Rosicrucian kind of ideals going around during the Enlightenment.
00:45:38.980And that allows you to sort of see everything as a conspiracy theory.
00:45:41.880It's very Dan Brown, you know, Da Vinci Code-esque styles of schizophrenic thinking.
00:45:47.300But for him, you know, the end result is, is that the way we were going is where it was when I was younger, that late 90s, early 2000s optimism.
00:45:56.520We were a secular kind of like atheist rationalism will overcome this religious, in God we trust, republic, and we will be secured in that position.
00:46:05.500But as we know how the left moves and as we know how all these things go in a certain direction, it will eventually run over you like your roadkill on a highway in the middle of nowhere.
00:46:14.860And because you're witnessing that happen, again, that's too far.
00:46:19.980The left has lost its marbles and we must rebel against it.
00:46:22.260Well, I hate to break it to you, but if you are part of the reason why they got to that position, you're just as complicit in the madness as that they are today.
00:46:30.240But again, we have to use this against his real political enemies, which are the same enemies that actual real dyed-in-the-wool leftists have.
00:46:37.760He might be a temporarily embarrassed progressive, but he's still a progressive.
00:46:43.180But again, because one person out of the entire online right gets a small show on the blaze, who primarily, I think, in my personal opinion, have a large amount of people who are Claremonters and really love Leo Strauss a little too much.
00:47:00.360Like, I don't think that that means that there are these dark, scheming Hegelian Schmidians out there that want to take over the world.
00:47:09.080No, I think we just have a moderately better understanding of how the power structure in America actually works.
00:47:14.240And that frightens James Lindsay because you can't just poke fun at someone like yourself or speaking what is actually happening or having people like myself or Morgoth's Review on or anything else.
00:47:26.300Because all of a sudden, you know, opinions that are not within the lovely progressive bubble he lives in can be heard by people.
00:47:34.940But at the same time, to James, that is unfortunately part of some ravaging conspiracy of people that want to bring about the end of his atheist utopia.
00:47:45.060It really is understanding, well, I got thrown out of the team I really want to be on.
00:47:49.720And so now I have to turn the right into the thing I want.
00:47:52.520So I'm going to tell a bunch of Christian pastors who I hate that actually I'm on their team.
00:47:56.860So I can go ahead and spread this garbage and I can push out anybody who actually cares about, you know, Christianity or anything like that.
00:48:25.380So he's like trying to come up with the nicknames and the, you know, everything's got a code name and it's, you know, it's the inner school add-ups of the woke right, but not so good at it.
00:48:35.900They're going with a variety of activities in building a parallel economy, which runs in a parallel to what many conservatives have recognized a need to do in the last few years.
00:48:46.960Okay, so there's this bad plan to have a backup plan in case you get canceled.
00:48:54.700That's all the parallel economy stuff is, right?
00:48:57.120Like people who hate you operate the economy.
00:49:16.220He doesn't understand why you would need a parallel economy.
00:49:18.820I mean, maybe some Christians who might, you know, I don't know, say a prayer.
00:49:23.740Those guys, they might need a parallel economy because they're crazy and he hates them.
00:49:27.500But, you know, you must be an insane person to want something like that.
00:49:31.680Yeah, well-developed, well-funded school of activists and networks.
00:49:37.000I'm going to do the little side eye here.
00:49:38.500I mean, you know, really, you know, I'm sure there are.
00:49:42.080You can look at like the Manhattan Institute or whatever.
00:49:43.700But I mean, if we compare, say, I don't know, the modern, you know, state where there are like 700 some odd thousand federal employees that are technically, you know, professional progressives, as Garvin would say, NGOs.
00:49:55.780We've all seen how these bureaucrats and such fund left-wing causes versus the drop in the bucket the right gets.
00:50:03.380Like, if you were to compare the 990, for instance, of like the Claremont Institute in comparison to like the Center for a New American Century or any other sort of left-wing or Democrat-aligned institution, you'll notice that Claremont is like a drop in the bucket the size of a penny versus, I don't know, 25,000 bars of gold bullion that constitutes the left.
00:50:23.760But again, some people are realizing, hmm, if I network and if I organize and I don't fire my friends, maybe I can actually be something.
00:50:31.900That constitutes a well-developed, well-funded school of things.
00:50:35.180And there are plenty of things that you could criticize and talk about, like funding strategies or who they're getting money from.
00:50:40.960But instead, all that James is doing is simply illustrating that actually I'm no different than Rachel Maddow.
00:50:46.940There's a well-developed cabal of people that are going to destroy my precious grift.
00:50:52.100And that's all that's going to, that's all that matters here is to keep the grift going.
00:50:55.720And it's particularly terrible because, you know, we were just on, you know, Dave the Distributist was doing the OGC stream for, you know, to raise money for North Carolina disaster victims.
00:51:07.460Because we know the government's not going to do any of this, which is what all these parallel institutions are actually about, is helping people.
00:51:14.420But James Lindsay hates that because he wants you to be a ward of the state.
00:51:31.060And so in any parallel economies are as much a threat to him as they are to, you know, the actual system itself.
00:51:37.580Because James is a slave to the system.
00:51:40.180And the fact that we were on that stream and, you know, we're talking about, you know, with Dave and like he just can't do certain things because he's working all the time.
00:51:47.140Because all these people are working all the time.
00:51:48.680Everyone we know who is part of the distant right.
00:51:51.020I'm very, very lucky that I'm in a situation where I get to do this as a full-time job.
00:51:55.920The vast majority of people like yourself and others who are cranking out content, doing this stuff, are doing it entirely, you know, as a second job like I was when I was a teacher.
00:52:04.840And, you know, he's over here being like, oh, they're a well-funded cabal.
00:52:09.300Like, these are guys who are cranking this out in the few hours they can get between their wage jobs and, you know, family and everything else.
00:52:23.920These people are organized and funded and are strategically targeting geographic areas to begin consolidating power in an initial plan called regionalism.
00:52:32.860Well, some of that is wrong, but some of it is right.
00:52:37.720The plan is to actually have people work together and have community.
00:52:42.740Yes, we have a dangerous plan called regionalism in which people work together and have real communities and are able to rely on each other and not be wards of the state.
00:52:49.900Now, James hates that because James believes that the liberal state should own your life.
00:52:59.140He doesn't like the Marxist construction or whatever, but ultimately he is totally on board with this as long as it plays by the rules that he wants.
00:53:06.900So the idea that you would build anything outside of this, very, very dangerous to him, which is ultimately a WEF globalist plan.
00:53:14.800I don't know if they're participating knowingly, probably not.
00:53:18.860So to be clear for those following the logic, the call by many people, myself included, which I have made in my book and other people have made very, very much over and over again.
00:53:28.220I didn't originate this idea by any means.
00:53:29.860But the call that communities should take care of themselves and people should form families and people should take care of each other and people should prepare, say, I don't know, say, I don't know, just pulling a random example out of my hat.
00:53:43.600Let's say a hurricane strikes your area and the government hates you and not only doesn't bother sending people in to help, but actively works to keep people who are good Samaritans from helping out.
00:53:56.020You might need to have a certain level of self-reliance in your community to deal with that situation, a network of people who share like minds and aren't directly connected to the federal government who are prepared to help you in that kind of situation.
00:54:09.680I don't know. I know it's a crazy idea. It would never happen.
00:54:12.280We would never live in a country where the federal government would abandon a large group of people in a hurricane area because they just hate their guts or spend all the money on illegal immigrants and can't help them.
00:54:22.800That would never happen. But just, you know, on this theoretical situation where that exists, you have to understand that ultimately you're really part of a globalist plan.
00:54:34.120The WEF wants you to be self-reliant. They want you to build community.
00:54:39.280They want you to unplug from the larger apparatus that is trying to destroy your life because it's all part of their globalist plan, you see. Brilliant.
00:54:48.560Yeah. And I mean, it's funny how we can come up with an Alex Jones style of conspiracy that still misses the mark on a good chunk of things like, oh, you know, we're we're we're you know, we're befuddling fools playing into the groundwork.
00:55:03.760That is the World Economic Forum, who have famously said that, you know, I'll own nothing and I'll be happy and I'll have 15 minute cities in which I'm under a constant, you know, panopticon style of digital surveillance.
00:55:15.920I mean, we kind of already are now as it is, but still, yeah, I don't think so, especially when the idea of regionalism for most people, whether it be like the southern agrarian tradition, libertarians or the like saying, no, we shouldn't have power that completely centralized.
00:55:28.340And we want to be able to act as a network that means that if I am in, let's say, unfriendly blue territory like California, I can find friends to either help me find a job or to help me get on my feet as I move over there for some reason.
00:55:42.320That's what you want. But somehow, no, this is that we have to all the buzzwords.
00:55:46.760It's all the buzzwords all at once. It's very much like I mentioned earlier.
00:55:50.020It's like Rachel Maddow and and Russiagate, all those things.
00:55:54.520We have to make this as scary and as awful as possible.
00:55:57.460And somehow you, Oren, are at the forefront of it all.
00:56:00.640And it's really just a disaster because, you know, it's what kills me is this.
00:56:05.240If you were a left wing activist, Oren, if you were a progressive that worked with Antifa or the State Department or whatever, you could probably get away with suing him for libel right about now.
00:56:24.560They're targeting churches, grassroots organizations and local level, sometimes state level politics and running the same kinds of wedge strategy strategies typical of cults, wokes and jihadis.
00:56:36.560Small numbers lie and integrate. Medium numbers leverage to gain seats.
00:56:40.780Big rules. So to be clear, he's calling people on the right the American Taliban.
00:56:46.740They're there. And he's borrowing this directly from the left.
00:56:49.460He's using exactly the language of the left because James Lindsay is a leftist.
00:56:54.320He believes in what the left believes.
00:56:56.560He believes all the things about religion that that he that and he agrees with them.
00:57:00.300And that is why he's using their language and the idea that people wanting to be involved in local politics so that they can, you know, actually create a better community is part of cult behavior is James Lindsay's way of trying to scare you from having any actual impact politically.
00:57:17.320He wants you sitting around plugging into the state, you know, becoming atomized, becoming detached, having no no future, no understanding.
00:57:26.480He he wants you to live the life that the 90s liberals glorified, the one that he glorifies as an atheist, as someone who hates you, who hates religion, who specifically hates Christianity, who hates Catholics, who will go out of his way to create conspiracy theories in which Catholics are trying to take over the world with some kind of satanic prayer.
00:58:30.120So, Lindsay actually got community noted because he said, so, fun fact, there's a statue of archangel Michael slaying a dragon whose body is a nuclear missile outside the UN building.
01:00:39.980Before we head over to the questions of the people or probably more likely the hilarious comments of the people.
01:00:46.840Prudentialist, where can people find your work?
01:00:48.560Well, the people can find me over on YouTube, Twitter, Substack, any place where you can find your favorite amphibian as depicted right here.
01:01:26.360I work as a dirty, awful government bureaucrat.
01:01:28.540I know it's a shame, but I focused on disaster relief funding.
01:01:32.560So if you know people who are affected by that hurricane and you're thinking long term, feel free to reach out to me as well as read that piece.
01:01:40.460And we can set something up to talk about how to get your small town rebuilding in the next couple of years, because no one's going to really save you.
01:01:46.440But your state governments, as well as your local planning organizations, have a lot that they can do for your town.
01:01:52.240So that's what I would really recommend that people read in the midst of this right now.
01:01:56.800Sounds like you're part of a globalist conspiracy, sir.
01:02:06.660Remind me one time to tell you about when I was a local journalist and I had to report on the regional economic committee that almost got collapsed because they couldn't get a quorum in order to vote to reduce their quorum.
01:02:19.100That was one of my favorite moments in small government coverage.
01:02:24.960By the way, this is what I was doing, I guess, when I was being bred as a acolyte in the woke in the woke right to, you know, school or whatever, whatever he called it.
01:02:40.920Tiny Stupid Demon says, remind me again when I send the self-destrap envelope to get my secret decoder ring for the St. Michael, the Archangel, Carl Schmitt, Aaron McIntyre, the philosophical inner circle of the woke right.
01:04:49.080So instead, there's this large ideological construction.
01:04:52.300And plenty of these people use Marxist language.
01:04:54.180I'm not pretending that there is no Marxism, especially a lot of later Marxist language in this, of course.
01:05:03.560But the idea that this is only those things, it has nothing to do with race.
01:05:08.960Yeah, it's something that guys like James have to avoid because if they acknowledge it, then parts of their world view come apart.
01:05:14.980Yeah, and that super chatter is absolutely right.
01:05:18.240Race is the third rail for only one racial group in the United States to talk about out loud.
01:05:23.640And if they can't blatantly acknowledge that, actually, no, the modern left is a vast coalition whose intersectional framework is developed and only focused on the disempowerment and basically just destruction of white people in the West, then that would mean that the jig is up and they can't talk about Marxism.
01:06:28.160But, you know, there are plenty of intelligent people who are extremely wrong, you know, and there's a certain level of wrong that you need to be a credentialed, you know, guy to really achieve.
01:06:39.160And James has most certainly cleared that hurdle.
01:06:41.680So, you know, I'm sure that, you know, he's done some good work and whatever good work he's done, then by all means, you know, I support that.
01:07:47.520Philosophical thirst worms says this is provincial and conspiratorial to bring up Israel influence, but it's based and lib pill to bring up Indo-Aryan theophysis demons.
01:07:58.100Yeah, there's yeah, let's just say if you played Mad Libs and switched out all of James Lindsay's most hated things with another group's most hated things, you would probably end up, you know, getting immediately fired from everything and censored from everything.
01:09:29.500Same level of cue tards in tweet form.
01:09:31.740Yeah, that that is that is very good observation.
01:09:35.340He made he became famous by like laundering a bunch of a bunch of woke nonsense into academic language and then getting that past a bunch of people.
01:09:46.620And it's literally what he's doing now.
01:09:48.180He's just taking a bunch of insane stuff that he's trying to use to smear people he hates.
01:09:53.040And he's laundering it through a language and hoping that people think that that sounds in some way intelligent or elevated.
01:09:58.860And therefore, they won't notice what he's trying to do there.
01:10:02.300But when it gets this crazy, it's it's kind of hard not to notice.
01:10:37.720Again, I'm not I'm not I don't know if I agree 100 percent with that.
01:10:41.580But, you know, again, I believe James Lindsay is an intelligent guy.
01:10:44.820He's, you know, done done work that I could not do in the realm of math.
01:10:49.840But, you know, that that is not wisdom, as James is displaying quite, quite clearly there.
01:10:56.020And the point I'm making about mathematicians isn't just saying like he's not heard that it's the reductio ad absurdium bit here.
01:11:02.760Like you have a particular way of looking at things.
01:11:04.720And math is probably one of the best ways to look at the world and to understand how certain concepts can work.
01:11:09.280But when you're trying to apply it and also with the sort of your political and philosophical bent as a new atheist, I think it limits you significantly to maybe understanding the language or the abstractions that can be brought down from different sides.
01:11:22.040Essentially, by stripping things of all their particularities or trying to bring things down to raw numbers or raw points of data, I think that you miss out a lot on either a nuance or be the particularities of what makes someone the way that they are.
01:11:33.880And the groups that, you know, constitute certain political factions as someone who studies language on the side.
01:11:39.800I've spent more time learning Greek than I'd like to admit over the last year and a half.
01:11:43.940And I take classes regularly with a priest not too far from me.
01:11:47.720I think that it's particularly important for you to learn a language and especially to know your math particularly well.
01:11:53.000And it's a shame that we don't do that on a more public level and that the classics have been reduced to what they are.
01:11:57.280But it's also proof, I think, for a lot of us that unless you're actively trying to keep an open mind where the roots of things come from and study them out, it can lead you down particularly bad rabbit holes.
01:12:08.880And to quote the great Dr. Henry Hopwood Phillips, bad theology leads to really bad reality.
01:12:14.800And I'm sorry, but James has some terrible theology as an atheist.
01:12:18.080And that means that the reality that he's come to is literally what we covered on this Twitter.
01:12:21.920Yeah, his grip on reality is exactly what you would expect from somebody who is not well grounded in truth.