The Auron MacIntyre Show - Joe Kent Resigns Over Iran War ｜ Guest： J. Burden

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00:00:34.420 Hey guys, we have a special Tuesday show today because Jay Burden and I just escaped American airports.

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00:01:05.520 Mr. Burton, thank you so much for joining me.

00:01:08.360 Yeah, thanks for thanks for having me.

00:01:10.340 i was joking before that you can't quite get rid of me uh obviously you know air airport disasters

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00:01:22.060 middle of nowhere could certainly be worse yeah man i'm glad to see you again so soon absolutely

00:01:27.780 and of course we have big news that broke today uh joe kent uh a very popular uh maga uh representative

00:01:39.160 a veteran, a combat veteran, a gold star husband, somebody who was very highly respected in the

00:01:44.840 movement and someone who ran for Congress. He has resigned his position in the Trump

00:01:51.060 administration. I guess we can just go directly to the letter before, you know, no reason to

00:01:57.100 comment on it before we go ahead and read it for people. So let me share that so we can all see

00:02:03.440 that together, but Joe has made a rather significant statement as he stepped away from his position.

00:02:15.240 All right, so it says here, Dear President Trump, after much reflection, I have decided to resign

00:02:23.320 from my position as director of the National Counterterrorism Center effective today. I cannot

00:02:29.060 in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran. Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation,

00:02:36.140 and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American

00:02:41.880 lobby. I support the values and the foreign policies that you campaigned on in 2016, 2020,

00:02:48.340 and 2024, which you enacted in your first term. Until June 2025, you understood that the wars in

00:02:57.000 the Middle East, or a trap that robbed America of the precious lives of our patriots and depleted

00:03:01.540 the wealth and prosperity of our nation. In your first administration, you understood better than

00:03:06.760 any modern president how to decisively apply military power without getting us drawn into

00:03:13.180 never-ending wars. You demonstrated this by killing Hussam Soleimani and by defeating ISIS.

00:03:20.760 Early in this administration, high-ranking Israeli officials and influential members

00:03:25.440 of the american media deployed a misinformation campaign that wholly undermined your america

00:03:30.660 first platform and sowed pro-war sentiments to encourage a war with iran this echo chamber

00:03:36.280 was used to deceive you into believing that iran posed an imminent threat to the united states

00:03:41.100 and that you should strike now there was a clear path to a swift victory this was a lie and the

00:03:47.520 same tactics that israel's uh that the israelis used to draw us into the disastrous iraq war

00:03:54.240 that costs the nation the lives of thousands of our best men and women,

00:03:57.400 we cannot make this mistake again.

00:03:59.380 As a veteran who deployed to combat 11 times,

00:04:03.540 as a gold star husband who lost a beloved wife, Shannon,

00:04:06.560 in a war manufactured by Israel,

00:04:08.060 I cannot support sending the next generation to fight and die

00:04:11.720 in a war that serves no benefit to the American people,

00:04:14.340 nor justifies the cost of American lives.

00:04:16.840 I pray that you will reflect upon what you are doing in Iran

00:04:19.780 and who you are doing it for.

00:04:21.800 The time for bold action is now.

00:04:23.260 You can reverse course and chart a new path for a nation, or you can allow us to slip further toward decline and chaos.

00:04:31.860 You hold the cards.

00:04:33.120 It was an honor to serve in your administration and to serve our great nation.

00:04:37.500 Now, Jay, before we came on the air, we were both kind of saying, I don't know Joe Kent personally,

00:04:45.100 but i do know many people who are friends with him and they all to a man have done nothing but

00:04:52.460 speak incredibly highly of the character of joe kent even before any of this happened this isn't

00:04:58.340 like a sudden oh they don't like israel and so they've decided that they're pro joe kent uh just

00:05:03.780 you know without any uh prodding i had several guys i know who know jim joe can personally say

00:05:10.180 this is a phenomenal guy he's helped me out in the pinch uh you know he's he's been there for me he's

00:05:14.920 congratulated me at key moments and and you know made personal phone calls when they mattered the

00:05:19.380 most uh highly decorated guy you know in very difficult uh circumstances green beret serving

00:05:27.060 in so many tours uh this seems pretty big i mean this this is not this is not nick fuentes this is

00:05:34.640 not ian carroll this is not candace owens this this is even a tucker carlson we're talking about

00:05:40.600 a guy who has given a lot to this country has lost quite a bit in the service of this country

00:05:47.660 uh him stepping down in a moment like this uh resigning in protest for the war that's a huge

00:05:53.720 deal well certainly and there are several important things to bring up uh first you have the reaction

00:06:01.780 uh the president was you know by his own standards uh relatively conciliatory he basically said you

00:06:09.880 know, sad to see him go, seems like a great guy, not a direct quote. But the sort of Zionist

00:06:17.300 Israel first camp went absolutely apoplectic, attacking him personally in a really grotesque

00:06:24.680 fashion, insinuating that he is a traitor, that he is a leaker, attacking his record,

00:06:31.200 basically saying like, oh, this is designed, you know, to sow discord, right? This is some part

00:06:36.580 of some foreign operation from all the usual suspects. And my contact with Kent is roughly

00:06:45.940 the same as yours. I don't know him personally, but I know a lot of guys who are current and

00:06:50.660 former military who have nothing but good things to say about him. Particularly, I think it's

00:06:56.700 interesting to get the reaction from combat veterans of the GWAT. I think of my friends

00:07:04.440 like Braxton McCoy, others who are basically saying like, this guy is completely and totally

00:07:10.300 right. This is why we supported Trump because he was an opponent to these wasteful foreign

00:07:20.140 adventures. And the response from the Hawks, right? The people who think we should be more

00:07:25.840 and more involved in Iran has been, to be honest, it hasn't really been a response.

00:07:31.260 It's basically, Ben, you hate America, you're a traitor, you're a Holocaust denier, and you're

00:07:36.600 racist. You can look at what Ben Shapiro said in a recent episode of his show. I think it's called

00:07:42.260 Can New York City Survive the Mamdani Agenda? Something like that. You'll find it, where he

00:07:47.800 basically says the reason people oppose this war is because they've fallen to dangerous conspiracies.

00:07:53.240 He says almost over half of Republican men deny the Holocaust, and that's why they don't want to

00:08:00.320 go to war with Iran. There's no actual argument. There's no actual refutation of what Kent has

00:08:06.420 said. It is simply, you are bad, you are evil, go away. And that's exactly what we've seen directly

00:08:13.120 with Kent's resignation. I mean, you've seen, I'll put it this way, oddly similar talking points

00:08:21.040 coming out from many people all at once. The idea that he has been leaking information to

00:08:26.620 somebody maybe tucker maybe the iranians who knows uh i think that it's clearly coordinated

00:08:34.160 and to be honest even by the standards of american politics extraordinarily low right the things

00:08:39.660 being said are absurd right attacking you know his wife who was killed in line of duty attacking

00:08:45.640 his second wife who's you know a journalist it's it's clearly a friend enemy distinction moment for

00:08:52.440 many in that coalition and you or i could be forgiven for asking wait a minute where's this

00:09:00.300 vitriol for anything else it seems as if we have found their first priority

00:09:07.000 no that's exactly right i mean we have had to hear endlessly about uh why are you not out there

00:09:16.560 denouncing candace owens with her horrific behavior and look by the way i have like i

00:09:21.700 I think the way that Candace Owens has addressed Erica Kirk, a widower or a widow, is horrific.

00:09:27.880 And many, many people have kind of pointed that out and demanded others, you know, that ultimately decry her for that.

00:09:35.220 But today, it seems that those standards are all discarded.

00:09:38.520 It turns out that actually Joe Kent, a widower, is more than fair game.

00:09:43.340 Look, you know, a lot of people have said, oh, well, he's just leaking and he was going to get fired.

00:09:48.280 Now, first, I don't know if there's any evidence of this. This man was a Green Beret. He honorably served this country for an extremely long time and incredibly difficult circumstances. He has proven himself to be capable of handling that level of intelligence on a regular basis with integrity. They vetted him for this very position to do just that. The guy literally is sitting at one of the highest security clearances you can have in the United States government.

00:10:15.200 um so maybe he is i mean what what do i know right but i hope if you're making that claim

00:10:21.000 if you're if you're saying that joe kent is playing ring and run with the memory of his

00:10:27.200 dead wife um i guess you can make that claim but you better be really sure man because that one's

00:10:32.820 going to cost you your soul like that one the cost of that one's going to be spiritual uh if

00:10:37.520 you're just making that stuff up and the idea that all these people who didn't know anything

00:10:42.520 about joe kent 30 seconds ago are suddenly very familiar intimately familiar with his former you

00:10:49.140 know his late wife his current marriage his personal motivations uh i i find it incredibly

00:10:55.180 detestable again these are people who have been complaining about the conspiracy nature of of the

00:11:01.600 the podcast uh sphere but the minute they have the opportunity to smear someone that they hate

00:11:07.560 they can they run around and say tucker carlson was was warning iran about us going to war with

00:11:13.640 them or joe kent was you know leaking all of this stuff and was about to get fired and again

00:11:19.640 what do i know right like maybe at the end of the day that that is the case but uh i don't have any

00:11:25.040 evidence to that and i'm pretty sure they don't have any evidence of that pretty sure they all

00:11:28.760 just kind of took the first narrative they could find on twitter and immediately vomited it out

00:11:32.840 because they know what team they're on and uh so i just can't take any of these people seriously

00:11:38.740 at all uh just remember when people are are calling for denouncements when they're

00:11:44.140 actoring you when you're giving these moral speeches about how you know cowardly you are for

00:11:49.920 being somewhat adjacent to some guy the minute they have the chance to side with laura loomer

00:11:55.800 and Eric Erickson to smear a widower and a decorated veteran with zero evidence,

00:12:03.280 they will absolutely do so. And zero hesitation at all.

00:12:08.300 Well, and additionally, it's a very interesting exercise in framing, right? So you have this war

00:12:16.480 in Iran. And obviously, we understand that in times of war, the Overton window sort of shrinks,

00:12:21.180 right for understandable reasons but for these hawks seemingly there are two acceptable positions

00:12:29.440 well you're either with us or against us right it's seemingly just 2004 all over again

00:12:36.720 and what we see here is that you know for these people any opposition to this project

00:12:45.920 is not only mistaken, it's not only wrong, but it is rooted in some sort of almost clinical

00:12:54.300 hatred of the state of Israel, right? Or Jews in particular. That's the only acceptable reason.

00:13:00.140 You can't look at this and say, well, it seems to be kind of a disaster. It doesn't seem to be

00:13:05.060 going well. It doesn't seem to be in our interest. You can't even look at it and say, well, are we a

00:13:10.260 sovereign nation if we are not making the final call to declare war. I know it's not a declared

00:13:16.440 war, but you understand what I mean. Well, no, that is all simply a pathological hatred. There's

00:13:21.860 something wrong with you. Why do you hate America? Why are you this sort of bitter racist clinging

00:13:27.520 onto these irrational feelings? But I think it's important to mention that Kent is not the only

00:13:33.680 person inside the room to say this right trump himself has alleged that he was pressured into

00:13:40.260 this marco rubio said that the same thing you know we had to because we didn't want israel to

00:13:47.040 you know get in over their head and do something drastic well of course you know rubio later walked

00:13:53.620 that back although i think it's an open question whether he did that because it was factually

00:13:57.560 incorrect or just something he wasn't supposed to say. But at a certain point, you know, regardless

00:14:03.640 of your opinions on the state of Israel, and I certainly have them, but this isn't a conspiracy

00:14:09.380 theory if several people, the president himself included, have mentioned that.

00:14:15.460 Jay, we are in the emperor's, you know, the emperor's new clothes moment, right? Like we are

00:14:21.800 in the moment where we are watching people at the highest level regularly come out and say yes

00:14:29.880 israel directly influences our foreign policy yes israel pressured us into this situation

00:14:35.760 yes israel is is the you know is is a driving factor in this decision-making process and then

00:14:42.260 the minute you repeat the words they said you're an anti-semite you're a conspiracy theorist you're

00:14:49.000 you're you're uh you know spurging out on the timeline over jewish people it's it's truly just

00:14:55.080 a what are you going to believe your lying ears what are you what are you going to repeat things

00:14:59.400 that people in authority and with knowledge have said directly about our motivations no of course

00:15:05.060 not it is insane like at this point i can't i it's hard to do anything but laugh at these like

00:15:11.980 completely shameless uh people like i joe kent has what motivation to suddenly do this other than

00:15:23.140 hey i lost a wife to this garbage i supported you because we were explicitly against this kind

00:15:30.740 of action i watched it unfold in real time and i think we should probably not do this like what

00:15:37.460 is the other again maybe maybe the wild and sudden uh rumor mill is correct and joe kent has been

00:15:45.180 manipulated by his new wife to to suddenly uh leak documents and then uh run out of the

00:15:51.380 administration with with this new line i don't know again i have nothing i know nothing about

00:15:56.560 this man's personal life uh but if this is ultimately like your explanation for the scenario

00:16:02.980 when you have heard directly from the horse's mouth at several different levels of the united

00:16:08.580 states government that this is indeed the motivation i start to believe you are the

00:16:13.960 one with motivated reasoning and not joking i don't know i don't think you just started

00:16:17.620 goose stepping all of a sudden maybe i'm crazy well of course right that that brings up the

00:16:23.860 question well is according you know to recent polling this war is about 60 40 against and for

00:16:31.380 Does that mean 60% of the nation has an alternate accounting of prominent 20th century genocides?

00:16:39.240 Is Marco Rubio a conspiracy theorist?

00:16:42.780 Is Donald Trump an anti-Semite?

00:16:45.240 At a certain point, I'll give you one, maybe.

00:16:48.980 Maybe there's one guy.

00:16:51.660 But again, as you've said, we have the direct testimony and also observable reality.

00:16:57.780 And when those line up, it requires extraordinary evidence to convince me that the direct testimony of the people involved and what I am observing with my own eyes is incorrect.

00:17:09.460 Like it can happen, but you're going to need a whole lot more than some guy on Twitter said he was a leaker, an allegation which has apparently never been levied before and came out conveniently in exactly the moment that it benefits those people to say it.

00:17:24.360 It doesn't hold up, particularly when, and I realize this is sort of a vibes-based method of

00:17:30.920 politics, when those same people, those same hawks, look at Levin, Rothman, Derbowitz,

00:17:39.340 any number of these guys, are otherwise acting like insane people, right? Are leveling the most

00:17:45.960 wild claims just on a daily basis. Look, Laura Loomer is the most credible

00:17:51.460 service you can find on any reporting and and if you doubt that for a second jay burden you know

00:17:57.020 what's the uh the famous uh you know black woman invented the telescope uh tweet like i feel right

00:18:02.980 i feel like that's where we're at and it's so it's so incredibly disgusting uh to to watch people do

00:18:09.740 this i mean we look we've my original plan for this episode today was to talk about the rise of

00:18:15.180 the neocons and then i guess you know sometimes you get breaking news that just kind of hammers

00:18:19.980 that one home as incredibly loudly as possible. But we saw something similar in the first Trump

00:18:28.440 administration, right? He started strong. He started with this bombastic understanding of

00:18:33.600 we need a Muslim ban and we need to build the wall and we have to take all of these critical

00:18:38.200 actions. And then over time, during the first administration, we slowly saw the original MAGA

00:18:44.980 crew gets swapped out and we saw john bolton's and anthony fauci's and people like this get

00:18:51.240 assigned to new posts all of a sudden the uh neoconservatives were staffing up uh the trump

00:18:57.340 administration in certain sectors and uh the tone and tenor of the administration switched

00:19:02.600 the effectiveness of the administration slowed down again trump was fighting a lot of stuff i

00:19:07.500 don't blame him for this i think in the first uh in the first uh administration it will it really

00:19:13.200 was a case of trump brought a lot of people in who did who had the ideas he had but did not know

00:19:19.800 how to move the bureaucracy and then he got very frustrated that he couldn't make the bureaucracy

00:19:24.020 move and so he hired a bunch of people who knew how to move the bureaucracy but did not believe

00:19:28.220 in maggot we're not aligned with him they were actually just republican stalwarts who kind of

00:19:32.600 carried the old republican agenda back in and they more or less spit all their time as we learned out

00:19:37.500 later sabotaging trump at every term and making sure he couldn't get things done once again we

00:19:42.940 find ourselves in a scenario where trump has hit a brick wall after the initial domestic uh agenda

00:19:48.440 we saw incredible uh you know uh start when we were free you know pardoning j6ers and uh closing

00:19:56.300 the border and preparing deportations and filing charge you know uh uh challenges to the 14th

00:20:02.740 amendment birthright citizenship uh the the dismantling of usa id like these were all

00:20:08.340 incredible things that were done very early with that initial staff hitting the road the ground

00:20:13.820 running and then the minute that we had a uh conflict it looked like trump couldn't get

00:20:19.840 things done domestically all of a sudden it shifts to foreign policy because he wants to get things

00:20:25.180 done while he has the option and the neocons come out and all of a sudden never trumpers people who

00:20:30.860 hated donald trump the entire time guys who literally swore to take donald trump down people

00:20:36.440 like eric erickson people like mark levin people like ted cruz all of a sudden they are massive

00:20:42.220 fans you know lindsey graham just cannot get enough of donald trump and we're supposed to be

00:20:47.880 told like don't notice don't notice that ben shapiro suddenly loves donald trump don't notice

00:20:54.340 that you know mark levin and and lindsey graham just cannot get enough donald trump it's fine

00:20:59.820 nothing has changed and i get it like i want to support donald trump i still know i still so i

00:21:06.420 should be clear i still support donald trump because i still know that the j6ers would be

00:21:11.000 in jail without him that my borders would be open right now that whatever even if the deportations

00:21:16.640 are insufficient at this moment we would be getting none and if kamala harris was in uh office

00:21:21.840 right now you and i would probably be trying to figure out which lawyer we should be employing

00:21:25.920 right so i understand donald trump is still the superior uh choice but i cannot sit here and

00:21:33.440 pretend like it is not obviously the administration is not obviously being co-opted and not only is

00:21:39.840 it being co-opted we know why it's not just israel it's also they want the end of maga we have guys

00:21:46.700 like max abrams going out there every single day saying we have to destroy jd vance he has to we

00:21:53.080 cannot let maga continue we have to hijack the maga movement we have to stop uh trump's agenda

00:21:58.380 from making it into the next round we know specifically that all of this is being done

00:22:03.960 because they want to make sure that we return to establishment conservatism neocon foreign policy

00:22:09.960 and it's working and i'm just watching people saying oh well you just trust the plan i get it

00:22:16.160 again i was the trust the plan chimp guy the entire time right let donald trump know when

00:22:21.780 you think something's going wrong but ultimately side with trump and i'm still there but you cannot

00:22:27.560 sit there and tell me to just shut up while i watch lindsey graham take over maga and then you

00:22:34.880 just say oh well ultimately i'm the real i'm the real conservative i'm the real right wing because

00:22:40.120 i have shifted to support lindsey graham because i think that'll what ingratiate me with donald

00:22:44.860 trump it's insane and just watching this disaster roll through again i'm sorry i'm not going to sit

00:22:49.460 here quietly and pretend it's okay well especially because sometimes you'll see the argument of well

00:22:56.520 you know, this is a quid pro quo. You know, we are supporting this foreign policy so that we

00:23:02.400 can get the SAVE Act or so that we can do X, Y, Z. One, we'll see how that works out. You know,

00:23:11.000 the SAVE Act is being debated now, but conveniently we have, we have a lot of data to run on that.

00:23:17.440 That is an argument that's been around for a long time. You know, that people have long said,

00:23:22.400 you need to ally to this lobby because they're very powerful. But ultimately, what we see over

00:23:30.020 and over and over again is that they get what they want and you get nothing. Politics does not

00:23:35.840 brook an ant. There is one exception. There is one top priority. And if you are the junior partner,

00:23:44.140 that's not you. I hate to say it. And what we have seen over really the last 40 years of

00:23:51.000 conservative politics is our people like you and me, our demographic is one of the largest

00:23:58.860 voting blocks for the GOP. And yet we get absolutely nothing. What we have gotten has

00:24:05.840 basically been kind of a fluke, right? Like the, you know, the dismissing Roe versus Wade,

00:24:13.740 the Supreme Court. I mean, sure, that's a huge win. I'm not going to look a gift horse in the

00:24:18.160 mouth, but for, you know, 40 some years of electoral support versus another group, which

00:24:25.740 is very, very small, you know, say what you will, but the Israel lobby is not a lot of

00:24:30.500 people, but they get billions of dollars and effectively command of the world's strongest

00:24:36.540 military.

00:24:37.460 And even again, in this instance, we see, well, how is this affecting America?

00:24:43.920 well it's damaged our relation with a number of very important allies we seemingly have lost the

00:24:50.700 ability to patrol the Strait of Hormuz it's shut down we are spending an immense amount of our

00:24:56.600 treasure directly we're spending lives and uh for what like what's the what's the upside here

00:25:04.640 is it just so that we're not racists just so that we're not conspiracy theorists or holocaust

00:25:11.060 deniers. Because if you notice, this is very, very similar to the deal that the ascendant woke

00:25:18.500 left in 2020 off of us, right? Support this or else you are this irredeemably racist person.

00:25:25.860 That's what you get. We're going to take your money for our benefit or else we'll call you

00:25:30.780 mean names. That seemingly is what we're being offered. And many people who accurately pointed

00:25:36.180 out that that was effectively a shakedown, that that was sort of the bully holding you

00:25:40.940 by your ankles and looking for your lunch money have unfortunately fallen for it in this instance.

00:25:47.280 And I think that, you know, as someone who genuinely is America first, who believes that

00:25:50.960 my nation should be prioritized by the leader of that same nation, a radical proposition,

00:25:56.820 look at this and say, well, no, we don't even have to get into my particular opinions on Israel

00:26:02.660 or my particular opinions on any one person to say, this is not a good deal for us.

00:26:07.560 especially when, as you mentioned earlier, domestic politics have sort of ground to a halt.

00:26:13.600 All of the things that we were promised, sure, there was a flurry of activity early.

00:26:18.840 That first 60 days was electric. A lot was getting done. But now we've got Doge kids in

00:26:25.460 front of tribunals. Now the guys who did that for us, not only is Doge gone, but they're getting

00:26:32.220 persecuted. Why? Why are we focusing so much energy, so much time on blowing up ships by

00:26:43.060 basically conducting terror bombing in Tehran? I don't like Iran. I don't want to move there.

00:26:50.020 I don't want to live under the mullahs or the IRGC, but there has to be a sense of political

00:26:55.800 priority and very clearly you and i our interests were not in the driver's seat yeah again i'm more

00:27:04.580 than fine to consider the idea that iran is at some level a threat like these people have killed

00:27:10.340 our soldiers i don't think they like us i certainly don't want them to have a nuclear weapon

00:27:15.300 but ultimately as you say it is a question of priorities right is it an imminent threat were

00:27:21.640 they going to hit us with a nuke tomorrow no were they going to hit us with a long-range missile

00:27:25.940 no okay what were they going to do they might hit israel that's the only thing anyone can actually

00:27:31.420 say because it's the only thing they can actually do okay i don't guess i want them to hit israel

00:27:37.480 but that's not my problem that's an israel problem now if iran is long-term you know ultimately

00:27:45.200 creating some kind of danger the u.s i'm fine with taking action on that issue but if we know

00:27:51.120 that that's not going to be happening for a while because we literally just did a strike nine months

00:27:55.860 ago to take out ostensibly all of their weapons capability and all of their manufacturing

00:28:01.220 capability which depending on which administration official is talking may or may not have in return

00:28:07.200 magically entirely you know the the the star the new star wars movies where they're just like

00:28:12.160 and at some point palpatine return i feel like we got the same thing with with with nuclear weapons

00:28:17.940 in iran we we can't really explain how or why and actually sometimes they're not back but they are

00:28:23.500 now or maybe they're not but we have to strike them it's like you know who is in my country right

00:28:27.260 now a lot of somalians and haitians and other immigrants who should not be here you know

00:28:33.020 indians driving trucks killing people on my highway like i those are the people who i'd like

00:28:39.180 gone that's where i would like us focus i know it's hard i get that we hit a roadblock there

00:28:43.840 but maybe we could just put all of our effort into the thing we said we were going to do

00:28:47.800 and not go do the thing we specifically said we weren't going to do by the way joe kent

00:28:53.160 campaigned for his congressional seat on not going to iran he said specifically at that time

00:29:00.180 that yes iran is a threat at some level but we do not need to go to ground war in iran we do not

00:29:06.260 need to be over there we do not need to be striking them yes they're bad yes we need to worry about

00:29:10.820 them at some level but we should not be engaging in uh in military actions with them at this time

00:29:16.920 So there's nothing but consistency there. This guy didn't just like randomly change his opinion and they put him in that position, which you assume is at some level an endorsement of that position. So it's not Joe Kent that has become inconsistent in his application of what MAGA is supposed to be. I feel like that should be pretty obvious.

00:29:37.320 no certainly and especially because look like sure you know in the case of star wars saying

00:29:49.800 oh palpatine came back is stupid it is stupid but at least they gave you 40 years

00:29:55.360 you know versus nine months nine months during which you know the administration was basically

00:30:03.360 taking a victory lap, saying we did this thing without killing any Americans, something that

00:30:08.840 they said could never be done, the most successful, incredible military raid in recent history.

00:30:18.260 And again, like you said, it's sort of the emperor with the emperor's new clothes moment where it's

00:30:22.780 like, well, I'm old enough to remember nine months ago. I was there. And you told me that

00:30:27.900 this was a massive success that Iran was set back and that that was our main objection that we had

00:30:33.480 to prevent them from getting a nuke. Now let's set aside how long it takes from, you know, 30%

00:30:40.060 enriched uranium to get to like a device built on a cart, let alone a dumb, like tactical nuke,

00:30:47.600 let alone, you know, putting it on a missile and pointing it at, you know, Tel Aviv setting aside

00:30:53.120 that massively complicated process. I was informed by, again, many of these same people

00:30:59.920 that that was done. So, okay, well, why are we at war now? What's the objective? What are we doing

00:31:06.580 there? Because I've heard dozens of different answers to that question. Is it still nukes?

00:31:12.540 Is it cruise missiles? Is it Khamenei, who was in his 80s with advanced prostate cancer,

00:31:19.780 just had to be turned into Chef Boyardee. Tell me why. And again, as we've said with Joe Kent,

00:31:27.800 I feel like I'm being gaslit. I feel like you are lying to me over a relatively short amount of

00:31:35.620 time, enough for me to remember exactly what you said. But unfortunately, Aaron, I've been reliably

00:31:41.680 informed that the only reason I think that is because I'm an idiot and or racist. That's the

00:31:47.200 only reason that I would remember something that happened less than a full year ago.

00:31:51.420 And again, I don't know Joe Kent, but everything I've heard about him is that he is a fundamentally

00:31:57.240 decent man. And if we look at this letter, he's very respectful to the president. He's not airing

00:32:05.240 dirty laundry. He's not saying, you know, oh, I heard XYZ say this. He is saying these are my

00:32:11.700 reservations, which align with other reporting from within other, you know, prominent Trump

00:32:18.300 officials, the president himself, I cannot be a part of that. Now, this goes to a complaint that

00:32:24.900 you've heard, that I've heard rather from, you know, the reactionaries in the camp, you know,

00:32:30.440 people who say, oh, this is exactly why the right always loses because they resign their power.

00:32:36.340 well i think it's fair to say that if joe kent had real power we would not be or in iran right

00:32:45.100 and the idea that well i get to be the guy rubber stamping you know i get to be a guy who just says

00:32:51.400 yes like that's not functional power right he doesn't clearly have enough to make you know

00:32:57.200 sway in this situation so to me i view that criticism as as largely unfounded and i think

00:33:03.780 the symbolic value of doing that, of basically saying, I will no longer be a part of it for X,

00:33:08.660 Y, Z reason and lending his weight to, I say that as if it needs more proof, the idea that,

00:33:15.660 you know, Israel motivated our entrance to this war. I think that's a valuable thing,

00:33:20.320 let alone, right. The moral level of, you know, he will no longer be a part of something he feels

00:33:24.720 is deeply incorrect. Yeah. I was going to say, I do think that the most reasonable, um, kind of

00:33:33.500 rebuff to what joe kent did the one the argument that i think is most compelling is the one that

00:33:38.120 you just pointed to there that people said oh well you know the right is just giving up power

00:33:43.220 and how foolish stay in power make the difference uh why would you resign for some kind of pr stunt

00:33:48.900 and i get that like i i i understand that that's at least a cogent argument the first one makes

00:33:54.620 no sense it's absolutely ridiculous you're obviously just trying to shame people it's just

00:33:59.280 you know russia gate you're a racist stuff all over again uh but that one at least holds some

00:34:05.360 water for me so i'm like okay i want to when i hear that argument you're actually speaking my

00:34:09.580 language so let's let's evaluate that and i came to a similar conclusion that you did that ultimately

00:34:15.020 okay i i can see the the reasonable case to be made that even if everything joe kent said was

00:34:22.400 true stay in there and you know be influential have one more anti-war voice inside the coalition

00:34:29.600 make sure that you are manipulating the process towards your preferred outcome the kind of things

00:34:35.820 that we want to see people ultimately do towards acquiring power and changing things but as you say

00:34:41.180 if joe kent and many you know tulsi gabbard and all these other people who are anti-war are already

00:34:47.680 in the administration already hold these positions and we still went to war what does that mean

00:34:54.340 right like that's the question you should start asking yourself and it can really only mean two

00:34:58.980 things either trump did this entirely on his own or the people who are anti-war simply do not have

00:35:05.560 significant power inside the administration significant sway inside the administration

00:35:10.460 And if the situation is, as Joe Kent describes, then it sounds like there's not as much decision making power inside the U.S. government when it comes to these operations as we'd like.

00:35:23.000 So if that's the scenario, then what kind of power is he retaining by saying in that position?

00:35:28.060 As you say, is he just rubber stamping this stuff or is he making any kind of difference?

00:35:33.160 If it really is a scenario where the pure sovereignty of the country is at question, then him staying in that position and simply rubber stamping a scenario where he does not have, there is no sovereignty to be wielded, that's not helpful.

00:35:49.020 At least you're exposing that fact so people can then address it.

00:35:52.340 Ultimately, I could say I'm still sympathetic to the case that staying in and influencing in a more direct way might have been the right move.

00:36:03.160 But I'm certainly not going to attack the man's character for choosing the other direction, right?

00:36:09.360 Like, even if I can hear the sound tactical reasoning in the moment of that decision, I'm certainly not going to then attack the man.

00:36:18.040 And I think a lot of people who are doing so with that justification are simply doing it because they don't want to address the rest of the problem, right?

00:36:27.040 Like if you if you if you make the well, I'm really clever because I say we should outmaneuver and stay in the administration.

00:36:33.040 You should shut up about this stuff. Well, at the end of the day, you're still saying you should shut up about that stuff, which means you don't have to talk about it.

00:36:38.320 Right. So I think there is a a little bit of I'm so clever that I don't have to address the real problem.

00:36:44.680 Look at me. I'm I'm I'm a real Machiavellian. Fair enough.

00:36:49.380 You know, again, I like I said, I am sympathetic to this argument.

00:36:52.820 at least it is one that that feels like it has a valid concern uh but i don't then understand why

00:36:58.020 you need to pivot to calling the guy an idiot or attacking his motives or any of these things

00:37:02.260 uh you can simply say i would have done uh something differently i think that's a better

00:37:06.200 way to pursue power uh but that's not what you're doing and so that kind of tells me that's that's

00:37:10.380 not really the motivation um and to be fair it's it's very clear that people that trump is not

00:37:20.320 listening to guys like joe canton administration he's listening to mark levin and we know this

00:37:24.540 because he literally came out um i don't know how to say this tactfully so i'll just say it uh

00:37:31.860 megan kelly uh accused uh mark levin of having um a tiny uh appendage of of some sort uh which

00:37:41.120 to be fair something donald trump has also done to marco rubio uh so you can think about that uh

00:37:46.200 But but, you know, ultimately accused him of that situation.

00:37:52.560 And Donald Trump, the president of the United States, while we were fighting a war in the Middle East, decided to stop and defend Mark Levin and say that anybody who questions Mark Levin is not MAGA, is not loyal to the United States.

00:38:09.520 Mark Levin is now the ultimate decider of who is MAGA and who is loyal to the US

00:38:18.080 per Donald Trump like you can't unsee that that he said that so I I fear that no matter how

00:38:26.340 tactical uh Joe Kent had been with his uh you know desire to accrue power inside the deep state

00:38:32.380 um the fact that Mark Levin is a more valuable counselor for the president

00:38:36.660 kind of says it all yeah and look like uh i don't particularly know that much about megan

00:38:44.800 kelly or watcher program uh there was a lot of build-up to that uh mark levin has been oh yeah

00:38:51.240 basically going insane uh for months now and lashing out uh in the most just absurd ways at

00:38:59.200 basically anyone one of my favorite of his recurring phrases is uh racist anti-semites

00:39:05.820 and podcasters delivered as if they are, you know, the real threat to America, which is a

00:39:10.380 podcaster. I'm happy to be mentioned at the very least. One struggle, one struggle, you know.

00:39:14.680 Yeah. But point is, right. Regardless of how silly that situation is, it does indicate

00:39:22.240 priorities that, you know, effectively when, you know, the manhood of Mark Levin is being questioned,

00:39:29.560 that is a that's worthy of a massive response a massive brick of text on truth social yeah like

00:39:37.860 that's worth it that's something that you know we're spending political capital on making sure

00:39:42.480 that you know everyone knows you know mark levin's you know placement on the bell curve

00:39:47.520 and okay it's a silly example but to your point it indicates who is being listened to and i think

00:39:55.720 one of the very real problems with this is that there was an opportunity for MAGA to have a

00:40:03.160 generational shift where this is a movement that passes on. It is not simply for the kind of 50-up

00:40:09.600 crowd, but it is able to become a long-term political force. And what we've seen is the

00:40:17.580 president is not listening to any of those younger voices, seemingly. He does not understand the

00:40:22.900 direction that the young men who helped win him 2024 are going.

00:40:28.160 And to look like, I don't know exactly how old Kent is, but you know, he's not exactly

00:40:32.640 a spring chicken.

00:40:33.420 He's, you know, a middle-aged guy, but fundamentally it's seeming that the direction of the party

00:40:39.140 is right back to those conservatives that neoconservatives, rather that Trump campaigned

00:40:45.460 against for a decade.

00:40:46.560 The reason he was so popular is because he was making fun of these guys.

00:40:50.860 He was blowing them up.

00:40:52.900 You know, he could accurately say, I opposed these stupid forever wars and bring the receipts.

00:40:57.920 Well, the problem is, you know, when that has changed, when those guys are back, when

00:41:03.740 that is the politics that is emanating from the White House, well, one, you're going to

00:41:09.100 lose all of the people who followed you for that reason.

00:41:12.920 And if you cast that as a betrayal of, oh, they didn't follow me into the fire, it's

00:41:17.420 like, well, look, man, why did we think we supported you to begin with?

00:41:20.940 you know this is not an unlimited license you know this is not donald trump right or wrong

00:41:26.640 he has done many things right but it was a conditional relationship when you suddenly

00:41:34.260 look around and you say well why are all these young conservative or right-wing men suddenly

00:41:39.200 anti-interventionist the answer is donald trump donald trump did this donald trump is responsible

00:41:46.200 He made the argument. He literally made the argument to me. I believe this because Donald

00:41:51.500 Trump made a rational argument to me. I watched the primaries. I watched him dismantle Jeb Bush

00:42:00.060 and Ted Cruz on stage on exactly this issue. I watched him shift the entire Republican base

00:42:09.620 on this issue single-handedly i watched him do this i watched him win over young men i watched

00:42:17.180 him win over moderates on this issue specifically and now all of a sudden is why am i surrounded by

00:42:25.020 these people who believe the thing i told them like why am i suddenly having to battle against

00:42:30.800 all these people who literally have their position i believed in foreign intervention before donald

00:42:36.020 Trump became president of the United States. And then I didn't. And it's because of Donald Trump.

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00:43:15.460 like what why are you you know he never believed any of that stuff like of course not how ridiculous

00:43:21.800 that uh you know the very people who have their opinion changed and swayed by this man would

00:43:27.000 notice when that opinion suddenly changed and when you know the guy who was making fun of neoconservas

00:43:32.620 was suddenly extremely happy to be getting advice from lindsey graham and and mark levin and

00:43:39.360 yeah again it it really is just this like ordeal of civility of like what are we doing here like

00:43:46.840 what i'm just supposed to pretend that we never heard any things and none of these things were

00:43:51.760 promised and we didn't we didn't come to power on this rhetoric i'm sorry i can't do it i'm not

00:43:57.400 going to do it for you that doesn't mean i'm it doesn't mean i'm saying go vote democrat that

00:44:01.080 doesn't mean i'm saying donald trump hasn't done anything good it doesn't mean that i'm throwing

00:44:04.740 my support somewhere else i'm not suddenly you know expecting a thomas massey you know a challenge

00:44:10.260 to come in and and and you know take over the republican party but i think it's legitimate to

00:44:17.180 simply point out the obvious facts as if i'm an adult with a memory of more than 10 seconds

00:44:22.920 i don't want the neoconservatives who control my party i didn't sign up for this i'm not going to

00:44:29.740 you can't make me you can't shame me into it you can call me all the funny names you want

00:44:33.940 i don't care you can tell me i'm not sufficiently trusting the plan i don't care i'm sorry again

00:44:41.240 it doesn't mean i can't acknowledge the things that trump has done it doesn't mean i can't

00:44:45.140 acknowledge the fact that ultimately we are a much better scenario because Donald Trump is in

00:44:50.060 office but this is just nuts and a guy like Joe Kent walking away at this moment I mean look I

00:44:56.340 heard from a lot of people if you really have a problem with Donald Trump if you really think

00:45:01.160 that he's doing the wrong thing then just resign and then Joe Kent does and then all of a sudden

00:45:06.540 these people who have never in their life done anything for this country are calling a guy with

00:45:11.560 11 combat tours a green beret and a wife who died in a war some kind of traitor and coward and i'm

00:45:17.940 sorry but i have zero patience for you guys i have zero patience for you you are men without honor

00:45:24.200 you're you really are and it's it's disgusting the fact that you would throw uh your integrity away

00:45:30.180 in such a manner i'm sorry again who knows maybe it will all come out that joe can't really was

00:45:36.320 just funneling all these secrets i i have no information on that but again neither do you

00:45:41.840 it's a just so story at exactly the right time for you to continue the narrative you want to

00:45:46.720 keep hating the people you want and that's all it is it has no basis in any current fact that

00:45:52.200 you are aware of it's ridiculous well especially i find it particularly rich when you know many

00:45:59.560 of these people attacking Kent or any other dissident as a traitor prominently display

00:46:08.000 the flags of foreign nations.

00:46:09.960 It's like, well, you know, that seems incongruous, right?

00:46:14.360 You seem to be acting on behalf of another sovereign power.

00:46:18.480 That seems to be your top priority.

00:46:21.520 And when I object to that, the insult would not be traitor.

00:46:27.220 You might call me your political enemy.

00:46:28.840 You might say that we disagree or that I'm wrong. Fundamentally, you are the one who has sort of

00:46:35.420 staked your position on another nation. And if your answer is, well, I am an agent of a foreign

00:46:41.020 power, well, fair enough. That might be an uncomfortable conversation, but I am not the

00:46:46.240 traitor there because I live in a place and born in a place and I'm acting, advocating in that

00:46:52.900 nation's best interest so i may well be wrong but traitor is not the operative word i think it was

00:47:00.440 something like 10 times lindsey graham went to israel in the last few months to attempt to

00:47:06.180 coordinate with benjamin netanyahu to get us to go to war and that's not a conspiracy theory that's

00:47:12.300 just the congressional logs like we know that's what happened so if you don't have any time to

00:47:19.780 call lindsey graham a traitor and if you're not willing to acknowledge the fact that a sitting

00:47:24.920 senator is basically running his own foreign policy uh unit in an attempt to drive us into

00:47:31.460 every war he can if you have no words for that guy but you suddenly have lots of words for joe

00:47:36.860 kent as some kind of traitor or somebody who has questions about this operations kind of traitor

00:47:41.600 then i know what you're doing right like it's i'm sorry i don't i don't have to be you know

00:47:46.700 inspector clouseau to put this together like it's obvious and you're lazy like you're just lazy with

00:47:52.000 your motivations so i'm sorry if i don't take you in any way seriously when you then come around and

00:47:57.720 try to besmirch the honor of a guy who has served the country again i have no idea maybe it will all

00:48:02.400 come out that all the allegations that people are suddenly throwing against the man are true

00:48:05.660 but the fact that you have no interest in pointing out lindsey graham's extremely suspicious behavior

00:48:11.920 and the fact that we got exactly what he wanted out of basically his liaisons with a foreign

00:48:17.580 leader but you suddenly have all this information on joe kent that you didn't have 10 seconds ago

00:48:22.660 i think i'm asking reasonable questions at this point about your frankly your loyalty to the

00:48:27.580 country like it's it's just absolutely insane but that said we're stacking up quite a bit of super

00:48:33.520 chats so we should probably move over to the questions of the people before we do mr burden

00:48:37.580 where can people find your excellent program? Yeah, sure. So I am the host of the Jay Burden

00:48:43.160 Show, put out interviews five days a week. My slot's a little bit earlier than Arun's. You can

00:48:47.940 find me at 12 p.m. Eastern. But just a few weeks ago, Arun and I discussed education. It was a

00:48:54.040 great episode. If you're looking for something not super topical, right, not necessarily breaking

00:48:59.440 news, I'd recommend that. Or if you want my analysis on the war in Iran with Firas Madad

00:49:05.440 and daryl cooper you can find that just a few episodes ago highly recommend it and thanks for

00:49:10.400 having me on or of course always a pleasure as you said you know long time since we've seen each

00:49:15.400 other so good good to once again be you know face to face philosophical thirst worm says the fattest

00:49:21.580 most corpulent cowardly neocons are here to tell us that the green beret uh so green beret gold

00:49:27.940 star husband is a coward yeah that really is the long and the short of it now look i get that

00:49:32.480 military service is not uh the end all be all john carrey doesn't have uh you know invincible armor

00:49:38.780 because he was in the military at some point but i feel like jokin has uh been more than just a

00:49:44.880 little in the military it's that it's not like he did uh one tour somewhere this is a highly

00:49:49.320 decorated guy with an incredibly difficult uh very specialized job highly respected uh did insane

00:49:55.540 number of tours you know paid incredible costs for this i'm sorry but again maybe all the

00:50:01.200 allegations are true but if you're asking me just on a straight check do i do i think eric erickson

00:50:07.880 or joe kent is more is more knowledgeable about the current operation of the american military

00:50:13.960 i'm sorry i'm going with joe kent qwerty says i thought trump was gonna weaponize incompetence

00:50:20.440 so the semitic people would wipe one another out expensive oil is good for north america

00:50:25.280 is bb alive uh i only understood some of that uh i i will say the the uh the the uh bb is dead

00:50:34.500 because all the videos are ai thing as a little weird to me i've looked at the videos that people

00:50:39.000 are talking about and they just look like he's got like a shadow on his hand or something uh i

00:50:45.380 don't quite get it i think some people are desperately trying to wish cast uh into that

00:50:50.320 but i think that's really all i have to say on that issue yeah i mean nothing ever happens

00:50:56.820 to be honest right we remain in that sort of i'll believe it when i see it there were rumors

00:51:02.920 flying around over the weekend the number of prominent israeli officials had been killed

00:51:08.180 in strikes those were unconfirmed uh i mean to be honest welcome to the desert of the real

00:51:14.300 right uh it's it's very very difficult to get a read on anything uh i certainly uh you know would

00:51:22.640 not put it past operators to make things up in this war on either side and i'll leave it at that

00:51:28.320 yeah much like you do your crane war it's uh it's surprisingly difficult to get any kind of

00:51:33.820 consistent uh realistic understanding of what's happening air make discourses excellent guest

00:51:39.300 love jacquivus burden uh burden of course of course you guys were wondering with jace and

00:51:44.640 now we know latrina boudet says i wonder if kent got tired of apprehending mossad agents ahead of

00:51:53.360 the cali uh drone attack uh truttle says now maga is uh mark levin instead this has been the worst

00:52:02.680 trade deal in the history of trade deals uh maybe ever 47 is running out of road here uh yeah i mean

00:52:08.200 we could do with a tariff on mark levin tweets i think that would probably uh you know for his

00:52:13.700 own good if nothing else yes exactly the man appears to be going a full-scale meltdown yeah

00:52:19.660 yeah even if you're on his side like for his own blood pressure you know you really want to

00:52:25.180 want to make that happen bram's wiggle says i just don't want the kids in my rural hometown

00:52:31.320 to go bleed for this yeah i mean i think there's a lot of that man and look ultimately i don't think

00:52:37.040 they're going to do an extended ground operation i hope they don't that would be

00:52:42.240 just an absolute disaster and would completely lose them the support of the american people

00:52:47.040 honestly i don't think the american military is currently uh kind of uh personeled up for that i

00:52:53.620 don't think they have the level of kind of troop deployments they would need to even start a true

00:52:59.000 ground campaign at best it would be some level of special forces strikes in that area uh which

00:53:04.980 would still be you know those are still boots on the ground people will pretend that for some

00:53:09.140 reason that isn't uh but it is uh but but yeah i mean ultimately i don't think we're getting like

00:53:14.400 a draft or anything any of that ridiculous stuff that's been going around but i do hope that

00:53:18.980 ultimately we we see the wisdom of withdrawing from this well i hope he doesn't live in south

00:53:25.000 carolina because lindsey graham has admitted on national television that he'd use his moral duty

00:53:29.720 to convince kids from South Carolina to spend their lives for this so I think that is actually

00:53:36.460 the only time I've ever seen Lindsey Graham reference the state he theoretically represents

00:53:40.980 he'll mention Israel about 40 times in any given uh interview never mentions the state he actually

00:53:47.600 is supposed to be representing so good to know that the only time he would think about that is

00:53:51.320 when he could send those young boys to uh Israel Arthur in California says calling Joe Kent part

00:53:59.560 of the radical isolationist woke right cabal is the current line of attack to smear anyone who

00:54:04.560 disagrees or gives pause to the wisdom of the neocon agenda yeah it's always the same it's

00:54:09.160 always the same the minute you question israel you actually are like you hate jews and you want

00:54:14.160 a holocaust and you're you know thumbing through your copies of mein conf uh this is all we hear

00:54:19.700 it's tired it's stupid it's not working anymore it's it's only a matter of time uh before this

00:54:25.740 is just completely discredited you're most of the way there at this point so they can keep you know

00:54:30.600 blowing a blood vessel and screaming this kind of stuff but it it really does only work with boomers

00:54:36.140 at this point and there's a reason that all of a sudden all the polls you see about support for

00:54:41.260 the iraq war or the iran war rather uh on the right is of fox news viewers notice how that shift

00:54:48.940 happened magically we went from how popular is the war let's check with the entire country

00:54:53.220 to uh how popular is the war let's check with republicans to how popular is the war let's only

00:54:59.640 poll 70 year old fox news viewers oh surprise they have the opinion fox news is literally uh you know

00:55:07.760 constructed to to deliver to them uh it's very telling about how important building that

00:55:13.080 information silo has been

00:55:14.400 cherry cook nixon says what of the claims that kent's wife works for max blumethal a ccp asset

00:55:22.100 big security red flag that has nothing to do with israel yeah fair enough again i really do not know

00:55:27.460 much about uh kent's current personal life i do know he remarried i know that his wife has written

00:55:33.100 an article at some point for an anti-war site uh if if this is what you know undermines every

00:55:40.740 conservative well then you're in trouble i hate to break this to you but the uh you know conservative

00:55:45.440 with the uh what's the kind way to say this uh very artsy liberal woman uh is is absolutely real

00:55:53.600 uh so this is going to disqualify uh quite quite a few people um but i mean again maybe all of

00:56:00.540 those assertions are true i genuinely have no idea but i do know that the people making them

00:56:05.180 also have no idea and they are extremely motivated in this moment well especially because you know if

00:56:12.460 the allegations is these people are biased because of their ties to an external nation

00:56:17.460 uh that's it that at least cancels out right at the very least that that's sort of a a net zero

00:56:24.520 situation Nixon also says the CCP is everything people claim about Israel's IOs vis-a-vis funding

00:56:32.220 mass third world activism degeneracy uh Neville Singheim PSL and Tifa et al I mean okay so I'm

00:56:40.660 sorry but this is just garbage like this argument is just so dumb like everything you're saying

00:56:44.920 there is true right and i'm sorry you're giving my money i'm not trying to insult you directly but

00:56:48.260 like um this this are this this line of argument is very tired because like yes of course china is

00:56:56.100 trying to influence our government 100 so is russia so is ukraine like so is every nation

00:57:02.600 in the world and the ccap is better at it than others like absolutely chinese influence is very

00:57:08.840 dangerous in this country and we don't take it seriously enough i have many times over said we

00:57:14.400 need to ban chinese nationals from buying property here from coming to our our universities we should

00:57:21.180 i'm 100 behind this but this in no way of that invalidates israel's influence right like either

00:57:27.780 like they can all be bad i don't understand this game where it's like oh well maybe we should be

00:57:33.940 worried about qatar's influence maybe we should be worried about china's influence maybe we should

00:57:37.820 be worried about israel's influence and if we're worried about one of those we can't be worried

00:57:41.760 about the others the answer is all of the above america first yes china is a problem but i don't

00:57:50.140 remember going to war for china recently so like while i have a serious issue with chinese influence

00:57:57.380 i'm kind of dealing with the matter at hand well oran i've just got to ask you a question uh the

00:58:04.320 last time xi jinping came to congress how many standing ovations did he receive

00:58:09.220 or alternatively times has lindsey graham visited xi jinping to to coordinate a war effort well it's

00:58:17.260 also it's like have you ever seen a congressman in you know a pla uniform like on the floor

00:58:24.060 you know and look like i share your feelings how many congressmen in in an interview will say

00:58:29.660 openly, my greatest motivation was to become the biggest defender of the Chinese government when

00:58:35.040 I entered in to Congress. Well, and look, like, you know, that's, that's not a compliment to the

00:58:41.940 CCP. I'm not saying I like them or that they're not a problem. Like, look at what they've done

00:58:47.380 to Australia or Canada, or even with our own farmland and real estate assets. Look at, you

00:58:53.640 know, the, the suspicious amount of bio labs that keep getting discovered, you know, the,

00:58:58.020 the stolen intellectual property, like these are all very real problems. And simply because someone

00:59:03.800 else is bad does not make this other guy better. Two things can be bad at once.

00:59:09.000 Well, and what really makes me angry is I have spoken about all of this, right? Like I have done

00:59:14.080 entire episodes about the danger of China, the danger of Chinese immigration, the danger of

00:59:19.420 Chinese infiltration into our universities, the danger of them owning property in the United

00:59:23.680 States. It's just like with Ukraine. I've made the same arguments about Ukraine and Vladimir

00:59:29.060 Zelensky that I've made about Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu. I've made the same arguments about

00:59:34.840 China that I'm making about Israel. I have made these arguments about other countries. But the

00:59:39.660 minute you make it about Israel, all of a sudden people are like, oh, well, you're obsessed with

00:59:43.320 Israel. No, I've literally just been consistent about this problem across all foreign actors who

00:59:50.480 are a part of it. Israel, Russia, China, Ukraine, whatever the country is. I've even done episodes

00:59:58.200 about the UK Labor Party sending political advisors to try to beat Donald Trump. I don't

01:00:03.740 want the big England to come in and mess with American politics. But for some reason, when you

01:00:10.100 point that this is also bad for Israel to do, it's like, oh, well, I guess you don't care about any

01:00:15.080 of these other countries that you have done full episodes on, that you've committed large amounts

01:00:19.140 of time that you've written articles on i guess you don't care about any of those it's just it's

01:00:23.360 a false dichotomy i have the amazing ability to reject all foreign influence i've been asked to

01:00:30.800 go to israel i've been asked to go to russia i've been asked to go to uh to to hungary i've been

01:00:37.760 asked to go to all of these countries and i haven't done so i haven't taken the money of any

01:00:42.520 of those governments to go there i have this weird consistent belief about not you know

01:00:48.960 entertaining foreign influence sorry like i'm sorry about my consistency on this issue i i'm

01:00:55.740 not going to stop because we suddenly got to israel which for some reason is the country that we have

01:01:01.440 to explode every time we discuss i have the same problem with the influence of every other foreign

01:01:06.160 country that i do with israel that's it that's the end of it cordy says uh maggot lindenism is

01:01:13.880 start starting to stall out you guys need a based man from the hinterlands to convert

01:01:19.220 the bureaucracy and install maga stalinism uh yep we'll uh we'll see how that works out

01:01:25.140 we have our own georgia when you think about it we could find a georgian bank that's right yeah

01:01:31.860 exactly yeah find a find a georgian bank robber to uh suddenly take over the bureaucracy and

01:01:36.800 return us back to our glory here. Philosophical Thirstworm says the AD chess with Zio's UN is so

01:01:44.420 dumb because they can't do coalition politics. They want absolutely everything. Nothing is ever

01:01:48.860 enough. They cannibalize the rest of the movement in the USA. And unfortunately, I have a difficult

01:01:53.540 time arguing against that, right? Like, I'm not inherently against working with, at some level,

01:01:59.880 this faction to make things happen. I care about getting things done domestically. So if someone

01:02:04.740 holds those beliefs and ultimately i can get more deportations out of this or something

01:02:10.020 all right i'll consider that discussion but time and time again it's just charlie brown with a

01:02:16.680 football right like if you just do this thing for our foreign policy agenda we'll do this thing for

01:02:22.280 you and it never happens it's like democrats with border security if you just do this amnesty if you

01:02:27.760 just you know let the dreamers stay then we'll we'll give you the funding you need to put up a

01:02:32.060 wall and they never do it it never happens it's reagan's amnesty in the 80s again and again and

01:02:37.280 again and again and i'm sorry i just can't fall for this anymore it's very clear that the people

01:02:42.100 who promise this never deliver and instead they just get what they want we end up going you know

01:02:48.180 to iran to to bomb iran but we can't seem to ramp up deportations we can't seem to pass the save act

01:02:55.580 we don't get any of the thing where we're being told like and and anyway why are we even making

01:03:00.820 deals like that like that's its own concerning problem but even if we do make those deals

01:03:04.860 they never seem to follow through and i'm sorry but i'm not going to make them just so that

01:03:08.760 someone can i avoid a mean name it's just it's ridiculous

01:03:12.360 gritty uh again says i'm still pro the military operation i think letting the special ally

01:03:20.040 uh front the blame will pay dividends but you guys have given me pause thanks and look and look

01:03:25.100 man i get it like i'm not there is a disagreement in good faith about this i'm not

01:03:30.800 angry at people that ultimately think that if they genuinely believe it that this is for american

01:03:36.660 interests and they support it that's okay like i'm not dying on this hill unfortunately some

01:03:42.000 americans might but it's not my it's not the i i understand that at some level america first

01:03:48.420 military actions exist i'm not an i'm not some pacifist so i get that uh but uh you know i as

01:03:56.060 long as you are respectful about that and your motivations are i think this is ultimately good

01:04:00.180 for america and you're not running around calling everybody who disagrees with you an anti-semite

01:04:04.400 or trying to throw them out of the maga coalition or saying that they betrayed maga okay that's fine

01:04:09.640 like i can i can work with that that's that's not a problem it's when we start immediately going to

01:04:14.200 motives that is the issue thirstworm says political capital is a zero-sum game and the

01:04:21.400 israel first uh firsters spent it all we cannot walk and chew gum they are terrible coalition

01:04:26.520 partners yeah again that is my concern it is very clear that we kind of just ran out of momentum

01:04:31.500 domestically and that gave a lot of the kind of hyper neocons the idea that they could now kind

01:04:38.640 of move their priorities forward but i have made a similar argument like ultimately political

01:04:43.200 attention has to be focused somewhere and if it's focused abroad if it's focused on opening up the

01:04:49.600 strait of hermuz and gas prices it's not focused on deportations it's not focused on the save act

01:04:54.740 It's not focused on all these other priorities that we really wanted, that we voted for, that made the MAGA coalition what it was.

01:05:04.160 Nixon says, sick of Israel sucking up all the oxygen on the right, defund whatever, focus on H-1B, SAVE Act, Woke Rebound, Global Denaturalization, CCP, Antifa.

01:05:15.440 Again, I'm with you on all of those priorities, but we can't stop Israel from sucking all the air

01:05:21.800 out of the room when we're literally at war. They forced us into a war. It's not like the

01:05:29.140 America firsters were like, Benjamin Netanyahu, if you don't do this, we're going to create a

01:05:34.920 massive stake. No, we woke up one morning and found out that we were at war. That raises very

01:05:41.820 legitimate questions about the nature of our government the nature of sovereignty and when

01:05:47.100 that decision was made for us well when we are saying hey we want the stuff that we wanted

01:05:53.660 painting us as the aggressor here is is missing a lot of important context right i feel like i'm

01:06:01.180 sitting there painting a house and then someone runs up with a sledgehammer and just completely

01:06:06.280 whacks me on the toe and the guys around me are like why aren't you focused on the house like

01:06:13.120 why aren't you like where our first priority was painting the house i'm like yeah guys i'm with you

01:06:17.380 like the mission was painting the house but currently my toe is bleeding because some guy

01:06:21.480 just smashed it i i kind of have to pay attention to that fact like i can't just ignore that while

01:06:27.460 he's continuing to do that like i have to address the issue well and it's it's and i realize

01:06:33.360 explaining you know an aphorism or a joke is probably the least entertaining podcast material

01:06:39.360 possible but if we look at the phrase rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic what's significant

01:06:45.120 is the fact that there is a much more pressing issue than the orderliness of deck chairs the

01:06:51.300 boat has a hole in it and that is the situation we find ourselves in where there is a major war

01:06:57.220 going on seemingly we are getting sucked into it ever more you know we're seeing a massive attack

01:07:02.680 on free speech a massive attack on our ability to object to this situation and look I 100% agree

01:07:10.560 everything you've mentioned is a great thing to be focusing on and if we had not assented by

01:07:16.860 whatever means to this war that would exactly be what we should be focusing on that would be a

01:07:23.220 great priority but we didn't get to set up the game board right we were on turn two we are reactive

01:07:30.440 in this sense 100 thirst worm also says kent's wife did one article for the gray zone about

01:07:37.600 ukraine corruption uh uh but these neocons all have wives in uh h-i-a-s uh that write anti-white

01:07:46.220 articles in the new york times yeah again very difficult not to notice very difficult not to

01:07:51.800 notice that all of a sudden uh that's the case again i don't know joe kent's wife wife from you

01:07:57.180 know i guess i would say adam but eve and in this case case i have no clue what her motivations are

01:08:02.620 you know what level of influence but neither do you i think is again my point like this is

01:08:08.480 this is all a just so story that magically uh showed up because joe can did something that

01:08:14.120 people didn't like i'm not going to sit here and say i know for sure it can't be the case because

01:08:18.880 i don't know and i'm not going to throw my credibility out of us by making statements i

01:08:22.680 can't possibly back up so maybe do the same thing like you know maybe maybe you know reserve uh you

01:08:30.220 know that for like actual hard evidence that that's the situation instead of just saying well

01:08:34.520 uh his wife wrote an article and so therefore that's complete he decided to throw his entire

01:08:39.140 career you know his honor uh his years of military service uh he decided to just throw it all in the

01:08:44.400 wood chimper in that moment again could be true could be true uh but until you have really hard

01:08:48.800 evidence uh i i would be careful with that again there's there's a cost to your soul with that kind

01:08:53.420 of stuff thirst for muscle says uh trump should have made vance uh the solipsism czar to handle

01:09:00.280 all the epstein lists jfk ufo etc as a shiny toy would have paid the neocon back dividends

01:09:07.540 dixon says apologies for the chat for the uh failing for the oh fine apologies uh to the

01:09:14.020 chat for failing for neocon op re ken's wife working for bloom with all that said too many

01:09:20.220 indie podcasts uh platform ccp assets again i just don't know i have no idea i think he said he was

01:09:30.580 he apologies for falling for the op so like look like we we've all got got by stories before right

01:09:36.780 as we've said you know this is the desert of the real and so like i don't blame anyone for getting

01:09:42.040 tricked right but let's be honest that's why they're doing what they're doing so you know

01:09:46.120 good on you for owning up to it uh and obviously i you know don't know very much about blumenthal

01:09:51.820 but you know i think it's important to remember that we are in a time where there is millions if

01:09:58.040 not billions of dollars being spent on tricking you and making you go insane right so uh you know

01:10:04.420 keep your eyes open i'll put it that way yeah what's the what was the famous uh headline from

01:10:10.940 uh uh one of the tech journals about uh uh why ops are a good thing like why psyops are

01:10:18.080 but yeah it's not like these things aren't being run and well funded on on a regular basis for

01:10:24.020 a specific purpose uh alfred the great says just because joe kitt was in a position of power

01:10:29.860 doesn't mean he actually had any power the plant roosters need to reread their elite theory yeah

01:10:34.300 and again that that's that's the point that uh that jay made and that i made as well i think

01:10:39.300 these are again i am sympathetic of all the arguments about all the criticisms about joel

01:10:44.840 kent's actions that is the one i think is most valid that is the one that is reasonable it's

01:10:50.040 real politic it's not being made up out of a whole cloth and oh i heard that his wife did this thing

01:10:55.540 or maybe he's really this you know agent of putin um when whatever that stuff like that's a real

01:11:01.360 that's a real logical response to joe kent's actions that said i'm i'm with you alfred i

01:11:09.180 think ultimately that is true uh that's why i came to the same conclusion that's why burden

01:11:13.540 came to the same conclusion but i can at least entertain that argument that is an argument i

01:11:17.860 think that is at least can be made in good faith and makes sense uh jeremy kearns said i'm tired

01:11:23.720 of people acting like we need to be slaves to trump we need uh we need about all all else to

01:11:29.820 advocate for ourselves again i am generally sympathetic to the idea that when the moment

01:11:38.120 arises you should give as much deference to a guy like trump as possible i didn't know how the

01:11:45.040 terrorists are going to work out but i generally was with trump because trump was doing other

01:11:52.320 things that i liked and i thought it was important to back him on that issue um that doesn't mean

01:11:56.860 I'm slavish if I truly think that something is wrong I'm going to say it right like as I think

01:12:02.120 has become clear uh from the amount of attacks I've been getting over this very issue but in a

01:12:07.120 moment where I don't really know the answer I think it's reasonable to defer to Trump but we

01:12:12.080 are at a moment where Trump is literally doing the opposite of what he said uh so that that's

01:12:16.880 the problem right the problem is not I'm not sure so I'm just going to tell Trump what I think

01:12:21.900 because I know best no in that scenario if Trump is doing something and you don't know the answer

01:12:26.720 and you don't know what's best and you don't have any idea or you know principles on that issue

01:12:31.040 then yeah going with trump is fine like that's what leaders are for but when you signed up for

01:12:36.720 a political candidate who specifically said we're not doing these dumb nation building foreign

01:12:40.360 interventions anymore and then he explicitly comes out and says i'm going to do some nation

01:12:44.060 building okay like at that point i think i think it's it's fair enough to have some questions

01:12:48.700 of course he again says uh you'd be committing treason uh they'd be committing treason if they

01:12:55.060 were american i think that's about the neocons there and then uh foul ball production says are

01:13:02.680 you uh filling out your fuentes apology form uh so this is going to come as a shock to some people

01:13:08.780 i know i know this is uh very surprising to to many fans of nick fuentes uh but nick fuentes is

01:13:14.640 not the only person who has uh raised concerns uh in the past about uh neoconservatives uh in fact

01:13:21.040 this is actually a long-standing problem, one which has been outlined by many people who I've

01:13:26.980 read verbatim on my show in essays where they outline this, guys like Russell Kirk, guys like

01:13:33.620 Paul Godfrey, guys like Pat Buchanan. I've been reading these people for a very long time and was

01:13:39.780 familiar with all of these issues at least as long as Nick Fuentes has been, probably longer seeing

01:13:45.400 as I'm much older than Nick Fuentes. So if Nick has been right about something, congratulations

01:13:51.080 to him on that. But I have had these opinions for a long time. So no, I don't think I need to

01:13:59.380 apologize to someone who I guess has perhaps come to a conclusion I came to independently.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - March 17, 2026

Joe Kent Resigns Over Iran War ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 3⧸17⧸26

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