The Auron MacIntyre Show - Kamala Collapsing, Trump on Fire ｜ Guest： Patrick Casey ｜ 10⧸30⧸24

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00:01:20.040 So I'm sure many of you have seen the, well, let's say lack of momentum on the left.

00:01:26.720 It feels like Kamala Harris had this original burst of energy.

00:01:31.520 She had a lot of the internet momentum going for her, or at least that was the illusion that

00:01:37.840 was put out with all of the different democratic propaganda.

00:01:40.880 The polls were a little bit in her favor, but these numbers have been slipping and gaffe after

00:01:46.080 gaffe is coming out, making her chances look less and less favorable.

00:01:51.040 Joining me here to discuss all of that today is Patrick Casey.

00:01:54.640 He is the host of Restoring Order and also writes a number of great columns.

00:01:59.000 Thanks for coming on, man.

00:02:00.680 It's always a pleasure to come on.

00:02:01.920 Thank you for, thank you for having me, Oren.

00:02:03.500 Absolutely.

00:02:05.260 So the breaking news, I guess, here recently is Joe Biden's comments.

00:02:10.840 Now, it feels a little bit like maybe Joe is trying to get that last revenge, you know,

00:02:16.280 in there after Kamala Harris, you know, did this small coup against him, this digital coup

00:02:22.140 against him, posting the letter on Twitter saying he was done. 1.00

00:02:25.500 But recently he was discussing Trump supporters and he said that they were garbage. 1.00

00:02:31.440 He referred to Trump supporters as garbage. 1.00

00:02:33.900 This really feels like it echoes the sentiment put out by Hillary Clinton that was, you know, 1.00

00:02:39.620 kind of credited for her disastrous loss to Trump during 2016 when it comes to the basket

00:02:44.760 of deplorables.

00:02:46.940 Of course, the left is covering this up saying, oh, well, that's not really what he meant.

00:02:50.520 That's not really what he said.

00:02:51.620 But at this point, do you think that's going to have any impact on people?

00:02:56.280 No, I really don't.

00:02:57.440 And I think it's very obvious now that people who support Donald Trump or, you know, are

00:03:03.060 considering supporting him understand that there is there is this weaponization of just

00:03:08.100 about every powerful institution against people who do support Trump.

00:03:12.680 It's I mean, anyone who understands the Trump phenomenon knows that since he maybe not the

00:03:17.660 minute he came down the escalator.

00:03:18.980 But once the establishment realized that he was a threat, they've been attacking him and

00:03:23.360 they've been attacking his supporters.

00:03:24.720 So, you know, they can they can the front page of Politico today was story after story about 0.98

00:03:29.740 this whole, you know, this whole garbage thing.

00:03:32.620 And, you know, they were trying to present it objectively. 0.61

00:03:34.880 I think they were kind of doing damage control.

00:03:37.280 But everyone understands, I think, on some level that this is how every powerful institution

00:03:41.940 in the country, not just the Democratic Party, of course, views the average Trump supporter.

00:03:47.960 Right. And, you know, if you're straight, white, Christian, male, you know, on top, you know,

00:03:52.000 add the more specific you get.

00:03:53.720 Right. They hate you even more.

00:03:55.720 So it's not much of a surprise.

00:03:57.520 And no, I don't think the damage control that they're doing right now is really going to help.

00:04:02.040 Yeah, it's very strange when you spend your entire, I don't know, last eight to 10 years 0.98

00:04:07.380 talking about how white Christian males are the worst people on the planet. 1.00

00:04:11.600 They're the cause of all problems. 1.00

00:04:12.980 And then suddenly you recognize, oh, we might need a few of these people to get elected.

00:04:17.260 Like they're actually a sizable part of the population.

00:04:20.540 So we've seen this scramble from Kamala and the rest of her campaign to suddenly try to include

00:04:26.040 mad. Tim Walls is playing Madden like a real man, you know, sitting around doing his Twitch

00:04:31.400 streams like this is how we're going to appeal to the male youths.

00:04:34.740 And, you know, you see this effort, but it's like, man, you have a decade or more at least

00:04:40.000 of just vitriol and hatred stacked up against these people.

00:04:43.920 And you can't even help yourself.

00:04:45.420 Like, yeah, you go out there and you put this message out, but then 10 minutes later,

00:04:48.900 you got somebody like Joe Biden blurting out the obvious truth of how you feel.

00:04:53.200 Yeah, well, we always appreciate it when they let the mask slip and when they say the quiet

00:04:57.080 part out loud, they're kind of doing our work for us.

00:04:59.540 Yeah, thanks.

00:05:00.020 Thanks.

00:05:00.360 Please keep saying that, honestly.

00:05:01.640 I think the context for how Joe Biden came to say this is really funny as well, because

00:05:07.220 he was responding to you had this comedian.

00:05:11.280 I'm going to butcher his name, but he spoke at the Madison Square Garden rally.

00:05:16.340 He was like the second person to speak.

00:05:17.840 I was there as an incredible event.

00:05:19.120 And I remember he was saying some pretty edgy stuff, not just about Puerto Rico, by the

00:05:23.340 way, but he did refer to Puerto Rico as the joke was something like, you know, there's

00:05:27.680 this floating pile of garbage out there in the ocean, getting people to think he's referring

00:05:32.740 to like the Pacific, you know, guy or whatever. 0.93

00:05:35.700 And he said, it's called Puerto Rico.

00:05:37.300 And, you know, haha.

00:05:38.060 I mean, I thought it was kind of funny.

00:05:39.440 It didn't even cross my mind at the time that, you know, maybe you shouldn't be saying that

00:05:42.640 in the run up to the election when you're trying to court Hispanic voters.

00:05:45.960 OK, I understand those those talking points, but people right of center just need to ignore

00:05:51.340 it.

00:05:51.560 You're kind of doing the enemy's job for them when you're just continuing to highlight

00:05:55.140 this and saying, oh, yeah, this is a big deal.

00:05:57.240 Just ignore it.

00:05:57.980 You know, it's not like Trump said it.

00:05:59.040 It's not like, you know, it's fine.

00:06:00.760 But the point is, is that Biden was responding to this.

00:06:03.020 So this was something that the Democrats, who have been very desperate, attempted to

00:06:06.880 seize on.

00:06:07.440 And they were, you know, you even had people right of center.

00:06:10.060 I'm seeing in group chats, people were kind of concerned, is this going to hurt Trump?

00:06:13.480 And then what happens?

00:06:14.860 Well, well, Biden comes in to save the day and he refers categorically to Trump supporters 1.00

00:06:20.520 as garbage. 0.99

00:06:21.340 And I don't even see the Puerto Rico thing in the news. 0.99

00:06:23.480 It's just been so overshadowed by the Democrats and their apparatchiks in the media running cover,

00:06:29.260 trying to do damage control.

00:06:30.480 So, I mean, it's almost like a providential just reversal.

00:06:34.540 It's incredible to see.

00:06:35.960 So I'm feeling just as good as I was, you know, a week ago about this upcoming election.

00:06:41.580 Yeah, it really was strange to watch that because, as you said, the Democrats saw this opening

00:06:46.800 and they're like, oh, maybe this is it, right?

00:06:48.200 Like we need we need one last thing.

00:06:50.060 You know, maybe this will ruin his chances with, you know, Hispanic voters if we can just 0.91

00:06:55.260 spin this out as some kind of gross hatred.

00:06:57.860 They started calling the whole thing a Nazi rally.

00:07:00.160 You know, at some point there was an America First rally at Madison Square Gardens.

00:07:04.520 And so now this is, you know, this is the same thing.

00:07:07.080 And this has got the whole spirit to it.

00:07:09.760 They're insulting minorities. 0.99

00:07:11.620 You know, no matter how many times they cut to like, you know, Jewish guys doing prayers

00:07:15.080 in the middle of the rally.

00:07:16.120 But whatever, right?

00:07:17.160 Like just, you know, basically the same thing. 0.64

00:07:19.440 And the fact that they were so desperate for this, they were just screaming fascist, fascist,

00:07:23.740 Nazi rallies.

00:07:24.800 Hitler is Hitler. 0.78

00:07:26.000 It's really all they have left.

00:07:28.500 And even when you put an insult comic and, you know, we can debate whether or not putting

00:07:31.940 an insult comic at the beginning of your rally was the best choice.

00:07:35.780 But then someone just pointed out that like Don Rickles was at a Republican rally, you

00:07:39.360 know, like, so this is, it's not like this is some weird thing no one's ever done, but

00:07:43.220 ultimately there's just this desperate attempt to throw anything.

00:07:46.520 One, one more racism.

00:07:47.880 If we can just convince them that there's one more racism happening, this will seal the

00:07:51.560 deal.

00:07:51.960 But eventually, like you said, you know, Biden's kind enough to just judo this entire thing

00:07:56.400 and completely switch the news cycle to something far, which is far worse for the left than

00:08:00.380 I think the Puerto Rico thing ever would have been.

00:08:01.880 Yeah, yeah, it's been incredible to watch, you know, people start worrying about something

00:08:07.720 and it just magically resolves itself.

00:08:10.880 So, all right.

00:08:11.960 Well, I want to get deeper into the momentum shift.

00:08:15.560 Kamala Harris having huge problems with the legacy media on top of all of this.

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00:09:33.940 So back to Kamala Harris and the disaster that has really befallen her campaign as she has

00:09:40.180 it in the stretch here.

00:09:41.060 Now, I pointed out pretty early on when everyone was, oh, Kamala Harris, it's going to be a

00:09:46.840 huge problem.

00:09:48.000 You know, J.D.

00:09:48.580 Vance is weird.

00:09:49.380 All this stuff.

00:09:49.880 I said, look, guys, this is all AstroTurf.

00:09:52.400 This is purely inflated, you know, engagement online.

00:09:56.480 Kamala Harris has never been liked.

00:09:57.960 She's never been popular.

00:09:59.700 And yet there were so many people quaking.

00:10:01.540 I think it's a lot of guys who just wanted Trump to fail.

00:10:03.660 It's a lot of people, you know, the constant.

00:10:05.480 Well, they don't call themselves never Trumpers because those guys went to the Democratic Party.

00:10:09.900 But the guys who are still hanging out on the right, but wouldn't be sad to see Trump

00:10:13.760 go away and get rid of their problems.

00:10:15.620 They'd like the establishment conservatism to kind of go back to the way it was.

00:10:19.220 But they were building up Kamala Harris as this force to be very worried about.

00:10:23.020 And to be really clear, guys, we're not here telling you, you know, take anything for granted.

00:10:27.060 Leave it all out in the field.

00:10:28.520 Go do your thing.

00:10:29.380 Make sure you're supporting everyone you need to be supporting.

00:10:32.220 Not here to say anyone should get comfy.

00:10:34.660 But it's very clear that things have shifted against Harris.

00:10:38.380 And this is someone who was basically elevated by the legacy media to take the place of Joe Biden.

00:10:45.420 He failed spectacularly in that debate with Trump.

00:10:48.480 And everyone panicked.

00:10:49.680 And there was suddenly this cascade preference across the media who had been carrying water for Joe Biden,

00:10:54.800 saying, oh, he's fine.

00:10:55.840 Oh, he's great.

00:10:56.400 He's as sharp as he's ever been.

00:10:57.540 And then one day later, it's like, oh, no, this guy is absolutely, absolutely checked out.

00:11:02.380 He should be in a nursing home.

00:11:03.440 We need someone else.

00:11:04.280 We have to elevate someone else now.

00:11:06.120 They basically created this whole digital coup and put Harris in place.

00:11:09.700 And now we're starting to see, you know, stories being written.

00:11:13.100 Well, maybe we should have stayed with Biden.

00:11:15.240 Editorials coming out.

00:11:16.200 And in fact, several major newspapers, including The Washington Post, have refused to do an endorsement.

00:11:21.380 And these are endorsements that, of course, most people assumed would be for Harris.

00:11:25.200 These are legacy papers that are very liberal.

00:11:27.900 They almost always support the Democratic candidate.

00:11:29.860 And even though she had a lot of problems, I think the Harris campaign was expecting to have all of these nominations,

00:11:35.120 or rather all of these recommendations kind of falling one after another, saying, oh, look, all these established, respectable publications are standing for us and not for Trump because he's dangerous, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:11:46.560 I think that's what she expected.

00:11:48.020 And they're all just refusing to endorse her.

00:11:50.400 I mean, how much of a disaster is a candidate who can't even get the endorsement of these incredibly liberal papers?

00:11:59.980 Pretty bad.

00:12:01.440 That's the state of that candidate.

00:12:03.360 That I don't want to signify, I don't think it signals necessarily a huge vibe shift.

00:12:10.040 Everyone's done with wokeness or whatever else.

00:12:12.980 Obviously, the people running, you know, the federal bureaucracy, the people that have a lot of power.

00:12:18.760 And still, most of the media are, they don't like Trump and they're against everything he's about, of course.

00:12:26.240 Now, the thing to keep in mind is I think that it's just a testament to how weak Kamala Harris is. 1.00

00:12:30.960 I think she, Washington Post might be an interesting outlier there.

00:12:35.720 I think a lot of tech CEOs have kind of concluded that, you know, even regardless of what they believe personally,

00:12:40.420 things are just going to be easier for them if they're, if a Republican or at the very least not this kind of more extreme form of Democrat is in office.

00:12:48.900 Why is that? Well, I'm sure as anyone who's familiar with your work is already aware of the fact, you know, the work of James Burnham as well.

00:12:57.000 I know you've talked about that.

00:12:57.960 Sam Francis with the Leviathan.

00:12:59.300 Just kind of the idea that the capitalist class is in the managerial class are kind of, kind of at odds.

00:13:06.820 And, you know, I don't agree with everything that Burnham wrote.

00:13:08.900 I think most people who like his ideas recognize he didn't get everything right.

00:13:12.480 None of those predictions came true.

00:13:13.620 But the idea that there would be increasing state influence and control over industry, which would entail a class of managers or bureaucrats, you know, clashing with and vying for power against, you know, kind of the old Monopoly man style of, you know, type of type of guy, which Jeff Bezos absolutely is.

00:13:32.600 So there's definitely that. But just in general, I think a lot of these newspapers and, you know, others have, they don't think that Kamala Harris is going to win.

00:13:39.940 So they're just going to think like, you know, are we, whatever the next four years looks like, do we want to be, we want to be, we want to appear as neutral.

00:13:48.380 I think that's just kind of it.

00:13:49.540 I think if Kamala Harris was stronger, maybe with the exception of the Washington Post, but most of these publications would still be, you know, siding publicly with a Democratic nominee.

00:14:00.320 Yeah, I think that some of them will do it to try to look more neutral and will try to ingratiate themselves and what's going to be the order for the next few years.

00:14:09.980 Some of them are doing it because they simply need to retain some level of credibility.

00:14:14.580 You know, how many times are you really going to go to a bat for a woman who's obviously just a disaster? 1.00

00:14:19.880 You know, if you already know she's going to fail, are you really going to just dive onto that grenade or is it just better to count your loss and move on?

00:14:27.980 Like you said, most of them still hate Trump.

00:14:30.260 Like they're still planning to spend the next four years screaming about, you know, fascism is right around the corner and all these things.

00:14:35.480 I don't think you'll, you'll see less of that rhetoric necessarily.

00:14:38.400 As you, as you pointed out, I don't think the woke is going anywhere, but, but, you know, perhaps saving a little bit of that rhetorical energy, not for a candidate who is obviously just not up to snuff.

00:14:49.440 Now, your Bezos point is particularly interesting because, as you say, Burnham and Francis both point to the fact that you're going to have this clash between the managerial elite and the classic capitalist class.

00:15:02.420 And it's really the tech bros, as you pointed out, the CEOs there that have differentiated themselves.

00:15:08.520 Because while many other capitalists, you know, have kind of rolled themselves into the managerial system, recognizing that most of their benefits going to come from scaling up with the government and creating these public private partnerships.

00:15:21.160 And all of a sudden both parties love so much, but it's the tech bros that really understand that the government is ultimately just crippling their ability to advance things, that the managerialism is hindering their organizations and not helping.

00:15:34.200 And the longer they end up in this, you know, incestuous marriage with the managerial class, the more that their ability to reach the heights they want to and innovate they want to is really going to fail.

00:15:45.760 And so someone like Jeff Bezos, who, you know, might have had certain politics, I think it is a little funny that, you know, his wife, his ex-wife donated all this money to super left-wing causes and then he kind of pulled the rug out from under.

00:15:58.200 That might have a red-pilling effect, absolutely.

00:16:00.580 Right. Yeah. But ultimately it is very interesting, that dynamic, that guys like Elon, you know, David Sachs, you know, Marc Andreessen, all of these guys are recognizing that even though they're not classic, you know, conservatives, they're probably not socially conservative in most ways.

00:16:16.120 I mean, Elon's got like 11 kids by several different women, you know, that ultimately, yeah, it's a return to Harem.

00:16:22.920 But ultimately they understand that they're just not going to achieve the things that they want to achieve if they continue to allow this managerialism to creep into their organizations.

00:16:32.820 Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, every part of the private sector, I'm sure, has to contend with regulations and whatever else.

00:16:41.120 But for the tech industry, I think it's probably particularly egregious just with regard.

00:16:47.880 I mean, Mark Zuckerberg is another example. He hired the Republican strategist.

00:16:52.260 He's describing himself in private as a libertarian.

00:16:55.240 He publicly, you know, lamented the fact that he was somewhat of a small mea culpa.

00:17:00.600 He says that he said that he wishes that he hadn't gone along with the government to censor.

00:17:06.020 So kind of shifting the blame, saying, I did it, but, you know, they're the main drivers, which actually isn't entirely wrong because a lot of censorship.

00:17:13.520 This has been one of one of the real revelations from the last few years with the Twitter files and all sorts of, you know, the stuff Mike Benz is doing.

00:17:20.920 Great work over at Foundation for Freedom Online, I think it is.

00:17:25.580 With just seeing how much censorship actually does stem from the government.

00:17:29.780 A lot of their woke employees and Facebook and, you know, YouTube and whatever else.

00:17:35.460 But that's that's not the reason a lot of this stuff happens.

00:17:37.860 So it's understandable that, you know, someone like Mark Zuckerberg and these others would think like, I would rather just just not have the government involved in my business, even if these guys.

00:17:47.480 Yeah, some of them are. I don't think Mark Zuckerberg's super right wing.

00:17:51.080 Maybe he is. I don't know. But yeah, within that class, there absolutely does seem to be a shift.

00:17:56.880 And I think it's generally a good thing. I mean, I think we should be never should remain uncritical of people who want to lend their support.

00:18:05.220 I mean, I've criticized some things Elon Musk has said he still is pretty pro legal immigration, which appears to be the big the big difficulty.

00:18:13.400 The issue that a lot of these guys have difficulty with, just because I understand the tech industry is about scooping the talent intent out of various impoverished war torn nations around the world and bringing them here.

00:18:23.680 But I think it's generally a positive sign because, hey, one of the old NRX talking points that I remember, you know, when I started reading this stuff back in 2016 was, you know, you need elites.

00:18:32.720 Right. It's good to have, you know, a mom and, you know, grandma and grandpa on your side.

00:18:37.280 Sure. But like you're going to need people who've got tons of money and that's going to come with pros and cons.

00:18:41.760 But at the end of the day, you just can't do it without without powerful people.

00:18:44.740 So, yeah, there has been a little bit of, you know, crying and whining about these money elites moving, shifting their alliances.

00:18:52.860 And I understand the skepticism. You should absolutely be wary, especially as you point out, when guys like Elon have priorities like wide open legal immigration that could still have deleterious impacts on native born Americans here in the United States.

00:19:08.460 But ultimately, the question is, like, what did you think this would look like? Right.

00:19:11.920 Did you think every one of these guys would suddenly have your personal ideological shortlist, you know, loaded up and they just immediately start spouting at the minute they join your team?

00:19:21.180 Like, no, they're going to move because they see some kind of advantage.

00:19:24.620 They're going to see the winds of power shifting. That's going to bring a certain level of gravitas to your side, to the people who you are influencing.

00:19:32.700 But ultimately, you still have to work inside the realities of politics.

00:19:36.500 And it's just a little short sighted, I think, for people to say, oh, well, because Elon or somebody doesn't immediately spout everything I believe, therefore, we're just not winning.

00:19:45.820 We can't ever win. You know, nothing ever happens.

00:19:47.980 You know, these kind of things are kind of the way that a lot of people approach this.

00:19:51.700 Yeah. I saw people pointing out that Elon Musk was wearing some kind of like befomit or devil costume for Halloween a few years ago.

00:19:59.600 And they were like, look, you thought this guy was on your side.

00:20:02.080 OK, well, that was for Halloween. He dressed up as like he had like a demon thing or whatever.

00:20:06.620 And I understand if they're traditional Christians who like wouldn't want to be dressing like that or whatever. 0.98

00:20:10.760 But it's like, OK, well, it's certain a certain point we have to you have to not bite the hand that feeds you.

00:20:15.780 I mean, look, if you look at everything, Elon Musk is a great example. Right.

00:20:18.860 You know, someone like Jeff Bezos, it remains to be seen.

00:20:21.220 I like I like what he did recently, but it remains to be seen.

00:20:23.860 Like, is he really on our side? But Elon Musk with buying Twitter, paying us to use Twitter, which, you know, reinstating people like me, all sorts of people has been huge.

00:20:34.380 That's like a huge thing we have going for us this time around that we didn't back in 2020.

00:20:39.900 2016 was a little freer on Twitter than in 2020.

00:20:43.540 But I mean, I mean, incredible stuff and also just what he's doing in Pennsylvania, paying people in a legal way, mind you.

00:20:50.840 But I do think it's very interesting with Elon.

00:20:53.580 I think eventually these elites are going to come to realize that you can't go fishing at the Rubicon.

00:20:58.680 I think that's kind of what Elon has recognized.

00:21:00.720 And that's so to speak that if you're going to be a half-assed revolutionary, counter-revolutionary, if you're if you're in a part of my language.

00:21:06.760 But if you're if you can't do some things you can't do halfway because you suffer the consequences of having, you know, entail that are entailed by doing this thing.

00:21:16.420 And but you get none of the rewards.

00:21:18.420 So I think Elon Musk, you know, they're threatening to go after him with with investigations over all sorts of things.

00:21:24.460 And I mean, just look at what they did with McDonald's.

00:21:27.060 Now, I don't know if that was 100 percent tied to.

00:21:29.200 But after Trump went there, all of a sudden, no, Elizabeth Warren's accusing them of price gouging.

00:21:33.380 And there's like E. coli investigations.

00:21:34.940 Maybe that stuff was happening beforehand.

00:21:37.100 I don't know.

00:21:37.520 But the point is, is I think Elon gets it right.

00:21:39.260 He might not pass the ideological purity test.

00:21:41.180 And good.

00:21:41.460 Tell him, you know, respectfully point out why he's wrong in his comments when he says this stuff.

00:21:46.580 But to just write him off.

00:21:48.000 He's like literally paying people to do what to get not to vote, not to vote, but to get registered up in Pennsylvania.

00:21:52.800 That's great.

00:21:53.840 That's great.

00:21:54.420 Even if he just bought Twitter, that would be enough on its own.

00:21:57.120 But these are that, you know, I've been in this not as long as some people, but longer than others.

00:22:02.120 2016, the idea of Elon Musk.

00:22:04.380 I remember he like referenced demographics once in a speech in like 2017.

00:22:08.940 And people were like, wait, what is is he based?

00:22:11.620 And then like, here we are.

00:22:12.760 So, you know, good things can happen and they often will happen unexpectedly.

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00:22:47.060 Now, Jeff Bezos, speaking of kind of NRX predictions, Jeff Bezos is an interesting specific case because Curtis Yarvin has actually called out, you know, he said, well, here's how the Washington Post works.

00:22:58.480 You know, they tell Jeff Bezos gets to sponsor them and then they print whatever they want.

00:23:03.200 They tell Jeff Bezos what to think.

00:23:04.720 Now, obviously, there's been a shift in the actual endorsement.

00:23:09.680 And there was a, you know, there's a large amount of their readers that actually ended up, you know, I think it's at least, you know, like 200,000, I think it's that, which doesn't even sound like does Washington Post even have that readership at this point?

00:23:21.280 Anyway, the point being is that a large percentage of their people actually ended up walking away from paper because of this.

00:23:28.800 Now, the other rumor has been that he is wanting to shift the editorial direction of the paper.

00:23:34.980 That's a much different thing.

00:23:36.140 It's one thing to say we're just not going to endorse this time around.

00:23:38.960 It's another thing to say we're actually going to go out of our way to hire conservatives.

00:23:43.100 We want to see less bias.

00:23:44.900 We want to seem like we have a more down the middle pitch.

00:23:47.260 Again, I don't think this is a full transformation, but this could disprove a certain aspect of Yarvin's understanding of power.

00:23:53.980 If you see, you know, the Washington Post actually implement this.

00:23:57.880 Do you think you'll see any real conservatives get signed up with there?

00:24:00.580 Is it just going to be added out of David French and then move on?

00:24:05.020 Yeah, maybe he'd go with a David French.

00:24:06.840 That'd be funny.

00:24:07.480 I think he probably for what he's trying to do would know maybe maybe to go a little.

00:24:12.960 I don't know.

00:24:13.660 Maybe I was going to say Bari Wise, but I guess she doesn't, you know, maybe like a Ben Shapiro column here and there or something.

00:24:20.820 Or I don't know.

00:24:22.200 Would he do Rod Dreher?

00:24:23.200 That is a funny question to consider.

00:24:25.560 Maybe Aaron McIntyre.

00:24:26.760 Who knows?

00:24:27.300 Maybe Bronze Age Pervert. 0.92

00:24:29.800 Yeah, I don't know.

00:24:30.580 But yeah, we'll see.

00:24:32.640 I mean, it's one of these things where sometimes people will see a dark horse and they'll just jump on board because of self-interest.

00:24:39.540 And I think that can be a good sign.

00:24:41.600 But, you know, you don't, you know, don't expect too much from someone like that.

00:24:44.440 Maybe other people, you know, maybe they see a strong horse, but they kind of believe in it.

00:24:48.620 It's kind of hard to know.

00:24:49.460 But I think you will get both.

00:24:51.840 And I think that there are a lot of people that are especially wealthy, successful people that are primarily motivated by self-interest.

00:24:59.080 But it's a good thing if these people are still, you know, shifting over in your direction if for no other reason than because you have to.

00:25:07.780 That's like rule number one of persuasion.

00:25:09.240 You have to appeal to someone's self-interest.

00:25:10.620 And if like this thing, like the right is capable of doing that, that's a good thing.

00:25:14.980 One thing I wanted to mention that's kind of funny, too, is you talked about Yarvin's take on Jeff Bezos.

00:25:19.780 People should be aware that Jeff Bezos knows who Yarvin is.

00:25:22.400 I don't know if they've talked.

00:25:23.320 I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised, honestly, but there was that Vanity Fair piece that was profiling what they referred to as the new right.

00:25:31.220 There have been, you know, 10 new rights.

00:25:33.060 I don't I don't know if we would refer to, you know, the broader space as the new right.

00:25:36.320 But but he was referring to like Yarvin and like Nat Khan and Peter Thiel and whatever else.

00:25:42.860 Jeff Bezos actually tweeted out that article.

00:25:44.540 He's like, this was a really interesting read.

00:25:46.240 So, hey, you never know.

00:25:47.460 At the very least, he's going to be someone interesting to watch.

00:25:49.980 I'd like to think that somewhere Jeff Bezos is just, you know, binging a bunch of Paul Gottfried speeches from NatCon or something, you know, that's a good thing.

00:25:59.000 Yeah, or in that or in McIntyre speech from from NatCon.

00:26:01.980 There you go.

00:26:02.420 Yeah.

00:26:02.860 Falling falling down the rabbit hole.

00:26:05.440 But, you know, the other reason that I had you on is you just wrote a good piece for Chronicles speaking of Paul Gottfried.

00:26:11.180 Right. And in that piece, you were discussing the importance of Trump.

00:26:15.820 Now, we already touched on this a little bit, but there's still a sizable contingent of the Republican establishment that, you know, they kind of.

00:26:24.600 All right. Trump's back in office.

00:26:26.260 We got to. Yeah, I've got a MAGA hat somewhere.

00:26:28.280 I'll dust it off.

00:26:29.180 You know, they can throw it in the background.

00:26:30.540 But it's very clear that they are not a fan of the direction that Trump has taken.

00:26:35.220 They had a very specific set of talking points, a very specific set of issues that were allowable frames that we were allowed to step into.

00:26:42.960 And the fact that Trump constantly kind of disrupts those is a big problem for them.

00:26:48.640 They're kind of hoping that he would just ride off into the sunset.

00:26:51.040 OK, you lost that election.

00:26:52.580 Thank goodness.

00:26:53.340 We'll get like Ron DeSantis or somebody in there.

00:26:55.220 Trump Trump isn't without Trump.

00:26:56.980 You know, we'll get back to the business of being the very responsible party, these kind of things.

00:27:02.740 But your piece pointed out that Trump really shifted a focus in the party that was good for the party.

00:27:09.400 It started focusing on issues that were really critical.

00:27:11.920 And it's not that the issues that they were focusing on previously don't matter.

00:27:15.900 I care about, you know, the fact that, you know, gender surgeries are being offered to my eyes.

00:27:20.420 Like that does matter.

00:27:21.320 I think we should, you know, push back on these things.

00:27:23.860 But the fact that these were the only topics that were really dominating and things like immigration, foreign wars, protecting American jobs were just never open to the average person, even though this is what most voters really wanted to hear from the Republican Party.

00:27:38.320 It's rather significant.

00:27:39.580 And I think it's really important for people to realize that a second Trump's victory really solidifies his direction as the concerns that are being met by the Republican Party that the base really want to see addressed by their leadership.

00:27:52.820 Yeah, absolutely.

00:27:54.820 I mean, these ideas had been out there for a while.

00:27:57.800 And, you know, it's not just that these were fringe ideas, right?

00:28:00.840 I mean, obviously, the paleo-conservatives were marginalized and maligned.

00:28:05.820 And, you know, I think the people who made themselves all about representing, articulating, and expressing these ideas like immigration restriction, talking openly about the nature of race in America, right?

00:28:18.420 Obviously not in an extreme way, but, you know, race, communism, and, you know, affirmative action, things of that nature, group differences.

00:28:24.600 The people who, like, really made it their thing talking about these issues have been and to some extent still are marginalized for doing so.

00:28:32.720 But these have been popular issues.

00:28:34.760 A lot of people have wanted immigration restriction.

00:28:36.700 If you look at Gallup has been keeping track of what America, what Americans think of immigration for decades now.

00:28:44.720 And for many decades, I can't recall off the top of my head just how many, but at least going back through the 20th century.

00:28:51.900 And the most popular for almost the entire time that it has been measuring Americans' opinions on immigration, the most popular response has either been a plurality or a majority.

00:29:05.020 It's fluctuated a bit of Americans who want less immigration, right?

00:29:09.240 And there was only one time in, like, 50, 60 years where Americans wanted more immigration.

00:29:15.540 And that was during the summer of Floyd, so to speak.

00:29:19.460 That was the time when Americans were just bombarded with an insane amount of insane social conditioning and brainwashing.

00:29:27.960 And they briefly were like, oh, yeah, diversity is great.

00:29:30.780 Yeah, open the borders, bring them all in. 1.00

00:29:32.800 And then they kind of snapped out of it.

00:29:34.280 And that's funny because I was looking at this up recently.

00:29:36.520 Tracks with how Americans viewed Black Lives Matter, white Americans, that is. 0.59

00:29:40.720 Most people saying, yeah, not a big fan of it.

00:29:42.980 And then for that brief period from, like, Ahmaud Arbery to, like, the first few months of George Floyd, they were like, oh, yeah, Black Lives Matter is great.

00:29:49.260 But then they snapped out of it.

00:29:50.300 So the point is, is that Trump brought these ideas that people, you know, the whole giving a voice to the silent majority thing.

00:29:57.380 Yeah, there's some truth to that.

00:29:58.900 There's some truth to that.

00:29:59.920 And the question is, when Trump is gone, how much of these ideas, the emphasis on these ideas will be, will still be there, will remain.

00:30:10.640 And I think it's safe to say that if it's the worst case scenario for keeping the flame lit, so to speak, for passing the torch, ensuring that when we enter into the post-Trump era, we are still, it's as good as based and red-pilled or even more based and red-pilled than it is now.

00:30:26.700 I think it should be very clear that Trump losing is, in most cases, going to only make it harder for us to kind of keep the momentum up and keep moving things in a more right-wing direction.

00:30:39.020 So I can explain how that is.

00:30:40.620 You can offer your thoughts.

00:30:41.580 I don't want to rant the entire time.

00:30:42.640 Oh, no, no, it's fine.

00:30:44.020 The very data that you're pointing to was actually the first thing that really red-pilled me before I had read Yarvin or any of these other thinkers when I was looking at the immigration crisis in Europe.

00:30:54.140 And I was like, well, none of their leaders are listening to them.

00:30:56.880 I wonder what the track record is for America.

00:31:00.220 And then I looked at the very stats that you're talking about, and I found that over the many decades, even on the left, illegal immigration was always wildly unpopular.

00:31:09.740 And even legal immigration was often wanted to be reduced on the left.

00:31:14.520 And the right, obviously, was even more dramatic.

00:31:16.940 It was really only over the last decade or so that we've seen a significant shift in any of those numbers.

00:31:22.340 So the fact that in both parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, just completely ignored the popular will on this was my first time where I said, okay, well, maybe democracy doesn't work exactly the way I understand it.

00:31:34.260 If this is an issue that both left and right have agreed on for well beyond my entire life, and yet no one on either party will actually run on this issue except maybe Pat Buchanan, then what is happening here?

00:31:47.620 Right. And that really led me down the road to asking more questions.

00:31:51.460 And so I think the fact that Trump has brought these issues to the floor, the things that have been so dynamic and important to people for a very long time, but have just been denied by both parties is critical.

00:32:03.000 Now, I wonder, as you say, what the shift will look like, because, you know, first, obviously, Trump has to get reelected, which will be its own question.

00:32:10.840 There have been several Democratic officials. There have been several papers who have encouraged this.

00:32:18.460 There's been articles about this. They're already saying that they should do the thing they accused Trump of doing the whole time, which is not certify the election.

00:32:25.340 You know, there have been sitting Democratic representatives and senators who have said, actually, we we can't certify this guy because we believe he's violated the 14th Amendment.

00:32:35.960 And the Supreme Court did leave that process open. You know, they did leave that question somewhat open, saying it ultimately had to be determined by the legislature and not by the judicial branch.

00:32:46.840 So there is still an opportunity, even if we do see a Trump win, you know, we're seeing the different stories about, oh, well, be careful, Red Mirage, you know, it'll look like he's winning at the beginning.

00:32:57.580 But after we count the votes for a month and a half, eventually we'll find out it was actually Kamala Harris.

00:33:02.680 Do you feel like it's going to be a push to the end where they're going to try to get her across the finish line?

00:33:08.340 At first, I thought that might be the case, but it feels like the momentum and the energy just might not be there if the gap is wide enough.

00:33:14.580 Can they really force her through if they don't have the votes?

00:33:21.120 That's a good question. Yeah, I've I'm already seeing the beginnings of I think it is going to be kind of a messy process, regardless of who wins.

00:33:29.440 Now, we understand which side has more institutional power.

00:33:33.360 I think the preferred way I don't know how much you can really say on on YouTube here, but also I'll try to be mindful of my words.

00:33:40.120 But I think the preferred method for blocking Trump is is the kind of funny business we saw in 2020.

00:33:47.720 Stuff like that. I you know, the idea that Trump is declared winner, but they don't end up certifying him.

00:33:56.660 Just it just seems like I just I find it hard to believe they would do that now.

00:34:01.460 I don't know. I mean, do you see all of these clips from, you know, regime, you know, operatives?

00:34:07.740 Basically, it could be in the national security state politicians where they're terrified.

00:34:11.760 Right. Mark Milley, he's saying he's worried he's going to get court-martialed.

00:34:15.460 You have it was a high level FBI official on, I believe, CNN or another mainstream media, you know, TV news program a few months ago was saying him and all his colleagues are terrified that Trump's going to put them in jail.

00:34:26.720 Well, OK, look, if these guys broke the law, then they deserve to be in jail. Great. But not to not to put a damper on things.

00:34:32.640 But, you know, we had Trump the first time around. It's I wonder if there are people working in the regime who are like, you know, we lived through four years of Trump.

00:34:40.760 We probably can do four years again. But maybe I don't know. There is there there is a lot that can be done against them.

00:34:47.660 I hope that he gets in and, you know, through lawful means does that. But it's really hard to say.

00:34:51.920 I think I think there is a really a big question mark as to how this transition of power happens, because, look, I don't want to blackpill. 0.98

00:34:58.560 I've seen people saying, well, if Trump loses, then what's even the point of doing any of this?

00:35:03.140 And I understand where people are coming from. I'm not going anywhere. It's going to be really bleak for the right.

00:35:08.040 Might take a few week or two off Twitter if it just doesn't go the way we want it to.

00:35:13.920 But the thing is, if Trump loses, it's going to be two things, both of which are for different reasons, very damning and disturbing realities we'll have to grapple with.

00:35:28.240 The first one is that America rightfully, through no funny business at all, decided that he would rather have Kamala Harris as president than Donald Trump,

00:35:37.540 which I know there are people that dislike Trump. But if Trump if we if we can't win this one fair, that's rough.

00:35:43.840 That's that what what elections can we win? Right.

00:35:47.800 And the second one is that this just goes to show that they can they can they can manufacture the outcome that they want,

00:35:56.140 we'll say, in elections regard without the pandemic being there.

00:36:00.160 That's the thing. Now, some states, their election laws are similar to what they had in the pandemic.

00:36:04.860 But overall, my take has always been that it was they were able to pull it off once at that at that grade of a scale because the pandemic created the cover to do so.

00:36:13.500 But, yeah, I'm still going. See, I said 60 40 Trump wins. I would raise it to 80 20 right now.

00:36:19.600 And, you know, if Trump ends up losing, I'm going to ask you to take this.

00:36:22.280 I will pretend this didn't happen. I'll ask you to disappear this down. Yeah.

00:36:25.240 But so I'm not. No, don't don't get blackpilled. But, yeah, we we we got to win this one.

00:36:31.360 So everyone should get out, bring your you know, bring your family out there if you know friends who aren't registered.

00:36:36.300 Well, it's probably too late in a lot of places. Just Mitch, just do whatever you can to legally ensure that everyone, you know, votes for Trump.

00:36:43.060 So, yeah, the real question is, you know, where is Patrick Casey's bets place?

00:36:46.480 You know, does he have does he have those poly market numbers up?

00:36:50.180 But so let's assume for a moment that we get a Trump victory here.

00:36:53.920 A second Trump administration. A lot of people have looked at Donald Trump.

00:36:57.840 He did a lot of good things. We saw border crossings drastically reduced, but we never got a wall.

00:37:04.020 You know, you know, many of the deportations that were kind of promised previously did not happen.

00:37:09.900 Obviously, there's been a lot of rhetoric around, especially the mass deportation issue.

00:37:14.280 Right. J.D. Vance, I think, laid out good, you know, good defense of what that looks like.

00:37:19.200 It doesn't mean you have to physically move people across the border continuously all the time, though.

00:37:24.100 Some of that would be necessary. But ultimately, you can go ahead and, you know, penalize employers.

00:37:30.000 You can cut off welfare benefits. These kind of things are going to naturally create this.

00:37:35.040 You know, we had I'm trying to remember, I think it's 60 minutes.

00:37:37.460 You know, some people saying, oh, well, if some of my family gets deported, I have to go, too.

00:37:41.320 And they're saying this as if it was a terrible thing.

00:37:43.300 And you put out a tweet like, no, I could do this all day.

00:37:45.880 Like, this is a solution to the problem.

00:37:48.240 A wink of sleep. I could deport a million illegal.

00:37:50.660 Yeah, that was that's what really blew up. And a lot of people were unhappy with it.

00:37:53.820 But, you know, the right people, the kind of people you want to be unhappy with your with your tweets.

00:37:58.180 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot to say about the Trump at the first Trump admin's record on immigration.

00:38:04.020 I think that some people try to whitewash it a little bit just because they want people voting for Trump.

00:38:10.880 And I am sympathetic to that somewhat.

00:38:13.200 I think Trump tried to do a lot of good stuff and he should have done it differently.

00:38:18.220 He maybe should have done more. OK, that but the people who say that Trump did nothing or.

00:38:23.360 Yeah, or are absolutely wrong, especially with illegal immigration.

00:38:26.560 OK, Trump endorsed the Rays Act. Congress just didn't pass it.

00:38:30.320 The Rays Act is not perfect, but it would have cut legal immigration in half.

00:38:33.680 And going back to the tech, you know, people situation, these these are, you know, quickly becoming this this class of right wing elites.

00:38:40.560 I think a good compromise that I'm you know, I don't know any of these people, but if I ever run into them, I'd love to run it by them.

00:38:47.100 Is it maybe some are watching now is, you know, I understand that these guys want like smart people to come here and work in tech companies.

00:38:52.380 But most people who come over here legally are like not doing that.

00:38:55.320 I don't think they are. They tend to be a little bit of a higher caliber than the, you know, average Haitian just, you know, walking across the border or whatever. 1.00

00:39:04.280 But I think that lowering legal immigration a lot, but ensuring that, you know, the people who do come in are very high caliber.

00:39:10.580 Maybe that's that's I'd prefer an immigration moratorium. 1.00

00:39:12.960 But I mean, Trump did. He did a lot of stuff. He did get a lot of money for a border wall.

00:39:19.500 He had to fight for it. He had to shut down the government.

00:39:22.220 And, you know, he a lot of it was replacement stuff.

00:39:25.040 It wasn't the wall that we wanted, but I mean, he did build some stuff.

00:39:28.540 And I think that maybe there's a case to be made that, you know, if most people are crossing over in certain areas, well, maybe there's already a wall there, but maybe you want to make it stronger.

00:39:38.460 Maybe maybe that is the right way to do it. Should he have done more in that regard?

00:39:41.780 Yeah, it would have been great. But, you know, the Biden administration did a lot of policies that Trump did, like remain in Mexico, some of these things.

00:39:48.980 So Trump tried. He tried and he should try harder the second time around.

00:39:54.220 But yeah, with the mass deportations, everything that he does, they're going to face is going to face a lot of pushback.

00:39:59.860 That's that's the thing to keep in mind as well. It's going to be a battle to get this stuff done.

00:40:03.760 Yeah, that's that's absolutely true. Now, the other concern and you kind of touched on it there, but I want to expand it a little bit.

00:40:09.840 And I want to say from the outset that, well, Trump is an outsider and he's just a New York Democrat in most ways.

00:40:15.820 He still did more for conservatives than basically any conservative president has done in my lifetime.

00:40:23.220 So everything I'm saying here is with this caveat. Understand, I'm not saying, oh, well, Trump is worse than Mitt Romney or George Bush or any of these people.

00:40:32.280 He's much better. But a lot of people have pointed to the fact that obviously Donald Trump is basically a New York Democrat.

00:40:39.120 But he also has, you know, some some key members like Elon Musk and, you know, RFK and all of these people who are basically it's a pile of people who would say, I didn't leave the left.

00:40:50.900 The left left me. Right. It's a bunch of it's a bunch of people who are a coalition of those that basically got expelled from the moderate Democratic wing.

00:41:00.280 And now there seem to have taken over a large percentage of kind of what MAGA is.

00:41:06.720 And so a lot of people are concerned that ultimately this is just going to basically turn his administration into the Bill Clinton kind of administration, which don't be wrong.

00:41:16.620 We could do worse, sadly, at this point than Bill Clinton.

00:41:19.140 But it is a definitive shift to the left on many issues, some of them social, which I think, you know, it is where I know a lot of Trump supporters are like, well, we we can never talk about those.

00:41:29.420 We should just get rid of that. It's all economics. It's all immigration. 1.00

00:41:32.840 I think immigration is absolutely the most important issue.

00:41:35.240 But I don't think we should just discard that stuff or shift radically left on it either.

00:41:39.300 What do you think about those concerns?

00:41:41.640 Sure. I mean, they're valid concerns.

00:41:42.920 I think a lot of this has to, you know, there is Trump not being perhaps the most socially conservative guy in his private life,

00:41:50.600 aka slash public life, since a lot of this stuff has has been made public as a result of his, you know, taking him taking a stand for the country.

00:41:57.860 But I in the future of social conservatism, people these days are just less socially conservative than they used to be.

00:42:04.320 And I think that's unfortunate.

00:42:05.880 You know, I'm not a complete I don't want to say fuddy duddy.

00:42:09.560 I'm not I'm not like I'm pretty moderate on a lot of these issues, which by today's standards is like pretty far right, I guess.

00:42:15.000 But I think a lot of it is is just the right has to win votes.

00:42:19.120 And there are concerns that, you know, people being too socially conservative is going to is going to lose vote.

00:42:26.400 So but with regard to like once you've already gotten in.

00:42:30.980 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

00:42:33.140 I think the main battles that social conservatives care about are are things that are not are it's just so egregious at this point,

00:42:41.000 like a lot of like the trans trans, the child trans stuff in particular is crazy. 0.99

00:42:46.620 And I think a lot of people who I don't think that's a terribly socially conservative position.

00:42:51.040 Maybe these days it is. But, you know, it seems like stuff like banning gay marriage federally, banning abortion federally.

00:42:56.820 I don't know how that happens at this point.

00:43:01.200 Maybe there just has to be like generational procession and you get a newer, younger generation that's just tired of things.

00:43:08.040 I don't know if that is Gen Z. I see a lot of the stuff.

00:43:10.760 They're having less premarital sex. They're drinking less.

00:43:13.660 OK, but it's also probably because they're watching porn more and like not going outside.

00:43:17.540 So I would be I'd be quick to ascribe a lot of these to like Gen Z being categorically based or something.

00:43:23.500 But I don't know. I think I think a good compromise is I would support a more socially conservative, of course.

00:43:29.220 But I think that leaving it up to the states is probably pretty good.

00:43:32.540 The country, even if we get like a based right ring regime change, it'd be really diverse.

00:43:37.460 It should have never been this ethnically, religiously, you know, politically diverse, culturally diverse.

00:43:44.540 Right. It's just that all of this is kind of a mistake, frankly.

00:43:48.340 So but we have to we have to just contend with the fact that, sure, I guess you could deport every every person who's a liberal or every person who isn't of your European.

00:43:56.660 You could I don't know, but no one's actually proposing this stuff.

00:43:58.920 So I think like you could have having some states be really socially conservative.

00:44:03.320 Other states less so is probably like going to be the next battle.

00:44:08.320 And then, you know, after that, we'll see.

00:44:09.800 So, yeah, I think J.D. Vance told a really hard truth and a lot of people, again, and I want to be clear.

00:44:17.220 I think there are people for whom say abortion is, you know, one issue.

00:44:22.000 You know, they are a single issue voter on that and they do passionately care about that.

00:44:26.640 But unfortunately, there were a lot of people who also just use that as a cover for I still hate Trump and I would like a reason.

00:44:32.460 Oh, yeah. I find find some reason, some excuse, even though, you know, I don't have another candidate to vote for to just sabotage him.

00:44:39.300 You know, a lot of people did not set themselves up as serious political actors after that moment because, you know, recognizing like, yes, you always should advance the pressure on your candidate to some extent after you win.

00:44:52.500 That's what the left does. That's why they're constantly moving to the left.

00:44:56.040 That's why they're always winning those battles because their activists are willing to be relentless.

00:44:59.640 However, you should also recognize the difference between like applying constructive pressure and then just like completely destroying your your credibility at the table.

00:45:10.780 Right. Like if this guy goes out of the way and secures the victory that you have been looking for for decades upon decades upon decades and then is like, OK, well, let's do what we said we were going to do.

00:45:20.080 And you're like, no, we have to be way different than what we said we were going to do.

00:45:23.680 And you have to do something that makes you incredibly unpopular. Well, you should understand what you're asking.

00:45:28.200 Right. Like you should know what you're doing at the negotiating table and you're basically sidelining yourself, which is a tragedy because I think those people should have an important voice at the table.

00:45:35.740 But you've kind of put yourself in a scenario where why would this person listen to you?

00:45:39.680 Right. Like I did this thing for you. You got this. You know, it's like everyone laughs at the libertarians when Trump sat there and said, I'll put someone in the cabinet for you.

00:45:47.540 And they all booed him. Right. And everyone's like, oh, how dumb of the libertarians to do that.

00:45:52.180 But then they're basically doing the same thing on this issue. And J.D. Vance gave it gave a good answer. 0.97

00:45:57.860 He said, look, we we turned it over to the states. And what we found out was after many, many decades, the states had shifted their opinion.

00:46:05.080 The opinion of the people had shifted. Right. And ultimately, that's what federalism does. 0.86

00:46:09.420 When you return something to the states and you find out that the people of the states disagree with you, then you have a new job. Right.

00:46:15.160 Like you've returned things back to the way that should be legally. Roe was a was a disaster legally.

00:46:19.700 But now you have to actually have the conversation. You have to have the moral conversation.

00:46:23.700 You have to have the political conversation. You need to change hearts and minds or you need to change culture.

00:46:28.300 And that was you know, that was something that was very difficult for a lot of conservatives to hear.

00:46:32.280 But I think it's the right approach is like, look, we got to go earn those votes. We got to go make the case.

00:46:36.640 We got to, you know, change the incentives, change the structure, change, but also change, you know, kind of the moral direction.

00:46:43.280 And that's going to take more than just, you know, political lectures.

00:46:46.300 And that that's a much larger task. And people don't want to hear that.

00:46:50.160 Yeah, you're absolutely right. If people are just not voting for it.

00:46:53.020 And unfortunately, in a lot of even even red states, voters are rejecting some of these some of these anti.

00:46:58.280 I mean, I think abortion is horrible. I, you know, I'm Catholic.

00:47:02.100 So obviously there's like a categorical no abortion position.

00:47:04.920 In some cases, I, you know, like if the mother is going to die or like rape or something, I don't know.

00:47:11.240 I don't know. It's it's I hope I never have to be in a position where to make that decision.

00:47:15.760 But, you know, but still, at the end of the day, you can you can find it horrific.

00:47:19.100 You can dislike it, hate it for religious or secular or both reasons.

00:47:23.980 But at the end of the day, politics is is about the it's the art of the possible.

00:47:28.220 Right. As Bismarck said, and that's recognizing that like it or not, there are limitations on what can be done.

00:47:33.380 And you can challenge those. You can try to try to, you know, open up space to do stuff like you've talked about.

00:47:38.700 But until you've done that, until you get to that point, you kind of have to operate within within those parameters.

00:47:43.800 And that's just where we find ourselves.

00:47:45.580 So. All right, Patrick, we're stacking up some of our super chats here.

00:47:49.980 So we're going to go to them in a moment.

00:47:52.020 But before we do, where can people find your work?

00:47:54.700 I know you had some trouble with YouTube, but I know you're still doing spaces on Twitter and writing and all those things.

00:47:58.980 So sure. Yeah, I have a rumble. I haven't I haven't podcasted in a little while.

00:48:02.900 I should I should probably get back to doing it, but I've just shift over.

00:48:05.460 I shifted over more to writing.

00:48:06.900 You know, I lost YouTube, so that's where most of my audience was.

00:48:10.020 I see some names in the chat, some some of the good remnants of the YouTube days.

00:48:15.140 If people want to go to PatrickCasey.com, subscribe to my sub stack.

00:48:18.180 That would be awesome.

00:48:19.100 If they want to follow me on Twitter at Restore Order USA, that would be great.

00:48:23.100 Those are probably the two places that I'm the most active these days.

00:48:26.300 All right. Let's go over to the questions of the people here.

00:48:31.420 Corbin says, just Casey.

00:48:34.260 There he is. Great chat. Great super chat.

00:48:37.280 Let's see here. Michael Robertson says, I'm calling it now.

00:48:40.040 Biden's final grand act of defiance will be to go on Rogan over the weekend.

00:48:44.260 Three hours of Joe Biden. What would that look like?

00:48:46.580 That would be incredible. I, you know, if only.

00:48:49.420 Right.

00:48:50.620 I don't know how long he can go on about corn pop and his favorite ice cream, but I'd be up.

00:48:56.040 Who knows what would come out of his mouth?

00:48:58.960 Elijah Tymon says, the Washington Post non endorsements suggest that a part of the total state sees Trump as a necessary evil to get young men on board with war with Iran and China.

00:49:09.360 Yeah. Yeah. This is, this is kind of my buddy academic agents theory that the, the regime wants Trump that ultimately they, you know, now it might be that they've gotten close enough to where some of them are making peace.

00:49:20.400 But I think this idea that they've folded Trump in because he's going to be the guy that gets middle America back into the military so they can go on these foreign warrants.

00:49:29.060 I mean, it seems like Trump was pretty resistant to the entire foreign conflict thing when he was in office.

00:49:35.680 That's been one of his biggest, you know, talking points.

00:49:38.520 I'm a little skeptical of the fact that like all of a sudden he's going to be getting everyone from Appalachia recruited up to go charging into Iran, but maybe I'm wrong.

00:49:48.220 What do you think?

00:49:49.620 Yeah. So, uh, okay.

00:49:52.600 So the super chat just disappeared, but I, I still don't remember what it's at.

00:49:55.540 Thanks. Um, so I, I think people paint with too broad a brush and I think academic agent kind of does this too much.

00:50:03.060 Um, it's, it's a part of the total state.

00:50:06.140 I it's, it's, you have different classes.

00:50:08.080 And, uh, again, we talked about, I think looking at it as, you know, there, there's the private partner, a public partnership.

00:50:14.060 Sure. But, uh, understanding that these, these CEOs are, it's not too far fetched to consider that they are pondering a world in which the federal government has less control over them, you know?

00:50:25.020 And there's thinking, I don't, yeah, I don't want these bureaucrats, you know, managing every little thing.

00:50:29.160 Elon Musk's a good example.

00:50:30.260 I mean, they hit his, they hit Tesla with the civil rights lawsuit, um, hostile work environment and had to pay up, you know, a hundred million dollars or something a few years ago.

00:50:37.740 So that's, that's the kind of stuff.

00:50:38.940 And that's just, that's just one example.

00:50:40.240 Um, so I, the idea that like the Washington post via Jeff Bezos is like really worried about trying to get you, Jeff Bezos really wants war with Iran and China.

00:50:50.760 Does he, I don't know.

00:50:51.620 Maybe he, maybe there's a case to be made that he'd get more military contracts, but honestly, the biz, the big business wing of, of the Republican party is not really very pro war.

00:51:01.420 Like the Koch brothers, whatever you could say about them, to my knowledge, I think they're like relatively anti-war.

00:51:07.200 Maybe that's the only good thing you can say about them. 0.70

00:51:09.300 Um, I don't think Trump is this whole idea that Trump wants to go to war with Iran is ridiculous.

00:51:15.660 Um, and in fact, JD Vance, it's like people are just ignoring Trump's anti-war record.

00:51:21.040 And they're also ignoring everything he said, uh, you can, Trump says he doesn't want war.

00:51:25.640 He said we shouldn't be involved in regime change in Iran, even though he hates Iran.

00:51:29.740 JD Vance recently said that as much as he likes Israel, it's important to understand that, um, we have different interests, uh, that, you know, you can like Israel,

00:51:38.140 but also recognize that America going to war with Iran isn't in our interest.

00:51:41.780 I mean, these are like, that's like a dissident, right?

00:51:43.600 Talking point, right?

00:51:44.400 That's like a more sober critique of the, of the U S Israel relationship.

00:51:48.440 So now the China thing is different because I, you know, I'm reading this book, a hundred, uh, the hundred year marathon about China's plans.

00:51:55.400 And like, it really does look like whether or not we like it, China like wants to confront us. 1.00

00:52:00.080 I think they're all, but very openly, um, developing technology.

00:52:03.700 And they've, they've been talking about this for some time.

00:52:05.680 So I don't, I don't want to go to war with China, but if, if they're bringing it to us, obviously want to be prepared. 0.93

00:52:10.020 I, yeah, I just, I just, it's an interesting angle to consider.

00:52:12.380 I just don't think it's anything to worry about in this regard.

00:52:15.100 Yeah.

00:52:15.520 Kind of exactly along those same lines there.

00:52:17.860 Philosophical Thirstworm says the problem with the counter elite is that, uh, said elite are often hijacking a movement from the people.

00:52:23.660 IE Trump stapling green cards to diplomas and I ran warmongering with Bill Ackman, little hats.

00:52:29.900 Uh, yeah.

00:52:30.400 I mean, again, this is a lot of the Iran stuff.

00:52:32.880 Like, are we, are we really being driven to war with Iran on the Republican side with, with Trump?

00:52:39.020 I'm pretty doubtful though.

00:52:40.640 He has talked about stapling green cards to diplomas.

00:52:43.320 I mean, what do you think about that?

00:52:45.100 Sure.

00:52:45.420 Obviously.

00:52:45.780 And this is an example.

00:52:46.660 I've never been like a Trump cheerleader.

00:52:48.160 I've always like, you know, thought Trump was this great, like almost providential figure,

00:52:52.120 but that doesn't mean I'm not going to critique him.

00:52:53.920 Yeah.

00:52:54.040 I called it out.

00:52:54.760 I think that's, it's bad, but people like, again, he was in office the first time around.

00:52:58.320 He signed off on legislation that would have limited legal, uh, cut legal immigration in

00:53:03.600 half, uh, migration, uh, net migration did go down under Trump.

00:53:07.280 So if you're concerned with the great replacement, uh, you know, it wasn't, he could have limited

00:53:11.020 the numbers more, but net migration did go down.

00:53:14.480 Um, so I, yeah, I just, I, that's the kind of thing you call him out for, but also he was

00:53:18.960 specifically talking about, I don't want him to do that, but he's also talking about like

00:53:23.560 a relatively small number of legal immigration overall.

00:53:26.980 So, um, the idea that I have seen people like he's going to throw up in the floodgates.

00:53:30.620 We're going to get even more legal immigration than we're getting right now.

00:53:33.400 It's just like, that just isn't, that just isn't what happened the first time.

00:53:37.600 And, you know, seizing on like one soundbite, even in 2016, Trump, what did Trump say?

00:53:42.560 He was saying, like, he said pro legal immigration things then.

00:53:45.180 Okay.

00:53:45.600 He's saying the same thing back then that he's saying now, and we should critique him

00:53:49.300 because we have a different perspective.

00:53:50.880 Um, but again, the war with Iran thing, like, look, what could Trump realistically do with

00:53:55.260 Iran? 0.79

00:53:55.600 He might, he might launch some missile attacks to take out like their nuclear stuff.

00:53:59.180 Okay.

00:53:59.600 What I, what I prefer we're not involved there.

00:54:02.000 Yeah.

00:54:02.180 I absolutely support and have advocated for since ever since the day I got involved in politics,

00:54:07.340 us disengagement from the middle East.

00:54:09.880 Absolutely.

00:54:11.120 Um, but the way you get there is by saying stuff like the way JD Vance said, it's not by,

00:54:14.800 you know, just posting like Europa, the last battle documentary links and saying, uh, all

00:54:18.880 sorts of other crazy things.

00:54:20.080 So, uh, no, the war with Iran thing is overblown.

00:54:22.320 And the last thing I'll say is I really look into like, what, why are people saying this? 0.96

00:54:26.140 It's Trump said, if Iran kills me, I hope we like blow them up. 0.99

00:54:29.000 Okay. 0.99

00:54:29.220 Well, if Ron kills, you know, me, I hope they, you know, I hope, I hope like they, 1.00

00:54:33.900 America blows them up. 1.00

00:54:35.020 Screw them. 0.99

00:54:35.440 And that's also deterrence. 0.98

00:54:36.900 That's also peace through strength.

00:54:39.180 Trump, God, these are the same people that act like world war three is going to break out.

00:54:42.400 If Israel does this, if Israel does that, Oh, Israel is going to invade Rafa and then world 0.84

00:54:46.020 war three, you're like, Oh no.

00:54:47.860 Right.

00:54:48.080 Again, I don't want us to be involved in stuff over there, but like at a certain point, you

00:54:51.080 have the people have been predicting world war three at like every stage of the Gaza war,

00:54:54.840 having some level of concern about, you know, us involvement and like something like that

00:54:58.740 breaking out.

00:54:59.260 But like when you've had a million wrong predictions about this, come on.

00:55:02.660 These countries have literally traded rockets with each other several times.

00:55:05.300 That's just what they do.

00:55:06.420 Yeah.

00:55:06.660 It's the middle East, man.

00:55:07.820 Well, and I think it's important to, you know, and I'm with you a hundred percent.

00:55:11.680 We should not be involved in these wars.

00:55:13.480 I want to see a America first policy across the board, thinking of our interests and our

00:55:18.460 foreign policy should be oriented.

00:55:19.740 We should care more about the integrity of our borders than any other nation's borders.

00:55:24.040 That's where our troops should be.

00:55:25.200 That's where our resources should be.

00:55:27.380 That said you, that doesn't mean you just immediately pretend like the rest of the world

00:55:32.360 doesn't exist.

00:55:33.060 Like you're still the largest nation in the world, the most powerful nation in the world.

00:55:37.720 You have to realize that force projection is somewhere, even if you're having a more

00:55:42.500 American centered part of your foreign policy going to exist.

00:55:46.140 You have to be strong, as you pointed out, peace through strength.

00:55:48.720 So it's not like Trump can just come out and say, yeah, we're never going to go to war

00:55:51.300 with anyone ever, no matter what they do. 1.00

00:55:52.780 Like that, that's stupid. 1.00

00:55:54.260 That's like saying I would never fight back against someone who's punching me in the face. 1.00

00:55:57.200 Like it's not pacifism.

00:55:59.520 We're not, we're not, you're not advocating for pacifism.

00:56:01.740 We're advocating for a military doctrine that actually cares and prioritizes the United

00:56:06.060 States.

00:56:06.380 And if, by the way, you're worried that America's commitments to other foreign nations or specific

00:56:11.680 foreign nations in the Middle East are a detriment to the wellbeing of the United States, then 1.00

00:56:15.660 the first thing you should advocate for is a raising of consciousness of the interests

00:56:20.080 of the United States, seeing the United States as a people, seeing the United States as a nation

00:56:25.460 that has its own interests and should be focused on those and not on an empire and not on regional

00:56:30.640 conflict somewhere else.

00:56:32.020 If you're focusing and putting it in the terms that J.D. Vance was putting it in, you're

00:56:35.060 just going to make much bigger inroads and you're going to draw a more popular understanding

00:56:39.520 to your cause rather than coming out there and just being like, ah, I can't believe it.

00:56:44.440 It's just much better to focus and frame things in that way.

00:56:47.460 I am for the American people, their interests, their defense, their borders.

00:56:51.860 This is where the military should be.

00:56:53.900 And to the extent in which we can focus on that and leave the Middle East to its own 1.00

00:56:57.280 devices, that is what we should be doing.

00:56:59.280 Well said.

00:57:00.280 I agree entirely.

00:57:02.280 Robert, Winesfield here says, how much is the Washington Post not endorsing Kamala that 0.97

00:57:08.200 they believe that their own trash and think if Trump wins, they'll be gulagged? 0.93

00:57:12.320 Again, I think that they would see that as like a badge of honor. 0.95

00:57:16.780 So I don't think they really pulled that because they're afraid of the wrath of Trump in a real

00:57:22.360 material, we're going to be going to jail for the rest of our lives type sense.

00:57:27.180 I think they're doing it ultimately because it's going to sink their credibility.

00:57:30.780 I really think at the end of the day, that's it.

00:57:33.240 And obviously the pressure that is being put on them by Bezos.

00:57:36.920 You know, again, I like to believe it's a revenge plot, you know, from him after a bad

00:57:41.660 breakup.

00:57:42.240 But ultimately, I think that those are the contributing factors, not so much that they

00:57:45.860 actually believe that Trump is going to start jailing, you know, journalists.

00:57:49.960 He's not Abraham Lincoln.

00:57:51.020 Come on.

00:57:51.420 Yeah.

00:57:52.080 I don't know if there are any metrics.

00:57:53.580 I'm curious if there are any metrics that show, if there's any evidence that indicates

00:57:59.140 that Kamala is going to win.

00:58:01.000 I think it's going to be very close and it's going to be that that is kind of indicting of

00:58:05.460 of America that this election would even be close.

00:58:09.060 But I mean, if you're looking at it from their perspective, yeah, they're like, what is there

00:58:12.600 to look at to think that Kamala is going to win?

00:58:14.600 Like the vibes that she had some TikToks like artificially going viral for a week.

00:58:19.740 Doritos and coconuts or something.

00:58:21.240 Yeah.

00:58:21.740 Yeah.

00:58:22.100 I don't know.

00:58:23.100 So, yeah.

00:58:24.180 New England refugee says salute men.

00:58:27.020 I think they'll call it on election night.

00:58:29.660 Yeah.

00:58:29.780 It's really going to depend on that gap, right?

00:58:32.020 Like, yeah, it's going to be have to be pretty decisively.

00:58:35.460 For Trump, you know, for Trump, if they're going to call it for him, they'll they'll

00:58:39.480 want to pull that out as long as possible.

00:58:43.260 Yeah, it's anyone's guess.

00:58:45.460 I mean, I don't think we're going to get stop this deal, too, just because if I don't know,

00:58:51.360 even if there obviously is.

00:58:52.640 I think Trump could do some challenges, but I don't think people are going to be really

00:58:58.060 hesitant to want to get involved in that, just given how much lawfare was thrown at to

00:59:02.440 even talk about it, honestly, because a lot of people like Fox News and was it Rudy Giuliani?

00:59:07.860 Yeah.

00:59:08.020 Some of these people just got like hundreds of millions of dollars for just talking about

00:59:12.640 it in some cases, let alone not, you know, being the guy to submit the alternate slate

00:59:16.880 of of electors.

00:59:19.200 So.

00:59:19.600 So, yeah, Rudy Giuliani is fighting to keep his like personal effects like his dad's

00:59:25.200 watch and stuff.

00:59:26.300 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:59:27.640 It's it's it's it's really horrific.

00:59:29.140 Like it it truly is the most political of prosecutions.

00:59:32.820 It's very clearly just a personal destruction and humiliation ritual having nothing to do

00:59:37.360 with the actual law.

00:59:38.340 And the fact that it's going on in this country at all is deeply shameful.

00:59:42.460 Yeah.

00:59:42.660 Stop the steal didn't work the first time.

00:59:44.260 I don't think a second attempt would do so, but I think the real interesting thing to watch

00:59:48.780 is, I mean, it looks like Trump is going to win.

00:59:51.180 So if Trump wins in the other side, yeah, I don't know if they pull something else to

00:59:57.380 yeah, like refusing to certify.

00:59:58.860 I think that's like pretty far fetched, but anything can happen.

01:00:01.780 Right.

01:00:02.120 We you know, on this day back in 2020, we had no idea.

01:00:06.440 Right.

01:00:07.180 Ride that we were that we were had just gotten on.

01:00:10.440 So very true.

01:00:11.620 Stay away from.

01:00:12.700 Yeah.

01:00:12.780 Don't go out in public.

01:00:13.580 Don't go to, you know, don't go to any rallies.

01:00:15.500 I'll just say for the next, you know, you go to Trump rally, but.

01:00:20.220 Genghis Krom says, is there any worry that the Republican Party's key takeaway from the

01:00:25.380 election performance of the white guys for Harris angle will be an increased hesitation

01:00:29.480 towards appealing to whites as a voter block?

01:00:33.440 I don't feel like that ad in particular, or that understanding is necessarily going to

01:00:37.640 scare them away.

01:00:38.200 Now, Jeremy Carl did a great piece on, you know, the, the one demographic of.

01:00:43.580 Voting demographic that they speak, dare not speak their name, I think was the name of

01:00:47.460 the piece about, you know, the unwillingness of the Republican Party to ultimately court

01:00:52.880 young men, specifically white men when it comes to when it comes to voting for Trump.

01:00:57.860 Uh, so there is still real hesitation there, but I don't know if the, the white guys for

01:01:03.400 Harris will be the thing that kind of suddenly puts them off.

01:01:06.000 White dudes for Harris. 0.55

01:01:07.100 I hate, I hate to, I hate to, you know, be a snob and correct there, but I, I, I'm trying 0.96

01:01:11.900 to attribute this to the guy who said it.

01:01:14.460 I forget who it was on Twitter, probably a good poster, maybe not.

01:01:17.440 But, um, he said something like, no, the white dudes for Harris is, is telling because like

01:01:23.020 white dude is kind of how a lot of the people left of center, pejoratively refer to white

01:01:27.960 man.

01:01:28.200 Yeah.

01:01:28.320 Some white dude said this or like all these white dudes, you know, blah, blah, blah.

01:01:33.020 So it's just kind of like very, very thinly veiled resentment.

01:01:36.760 And, uh, even, even in the name, I don't know if that's going to be the takeaway.

01:01:40.580 I think that, um, I think the Republican party is moving closer to some of, you know, I don't

01:01:47.840 want to say like, maybe, yeah, maybe a soft white identity politics where it's not like

01:01:51.240 whites versus everyone who isn't white or something like that.

01:01:54.280 But it's like acknowledging that white people exist, acknowledging that some issues affect

01:01:58.460 white people, just as some issues affect blacks or Asians, any group in society.

01:02:02.660 And that, you know, the way, the way that the left is talking about white people and

01:02:07.600 has, has some, they have some clear malice and saying this stuff back in 2016, it was

01:02:12.960 no one said anti-white, but like far right, dissident, right-wing people, a lot of people

01:02:17.420 who came to this stuff in the last few years, maybe even the last like year or two, I don't

01:02:21.080 know, are just, uh, aren't really aware of like how much the needle has moved.

01:02:25.620 The fact that anti-white is something like top level conservative pundits can say and do

01:02:29.260 say is crazy. 0.92

01:02:30.840 It's crazy.

01:02:31.460 So, um, I think there's no reason to doubt that things continue to move in that direction.

01:02:37.400 Now, again, it's not going to be like hard line, hardcore, like white nationalism.

01:02:41.620 Um, but there's a lot of room to talk about, you know, the future of this country under

01:02:47.540 for, for white people under left-wing rule.

01:02:49.720 And that in no way precludes talking about why other groups should, should be part of this

01:02:54.360 coalition.

01:02:54.780 And, you know, maybe they're harmed by leftism and in different ways, right?

01:02:58.100 They're not, they're not mutually exclusive.

01:02:59.480 Yeah.

01:03:00.680 And again, I encourage people to read Jeremy Carl's book on this issue.

01:03:03.520 It really does lay it out in a very reasonable way, especially when it comes to developing

01:03:07.360 coalitions and how that can be understood as a shared interest across the United States.

01:03:11.340 I think that's really important part of his book as well. 0.64

01:03:14.420 Uh, K Max McDonald says when, uh, when Biden called Trump supporters garbage, is this like 0.76

01:03:20.020 Hillary's basket of deplorables line? 0.85

01:03:21.600 Or have we come to expect this, these elites seem to hate the people they rule over?

01:03:25.920 Yeah, this was kind of our opening discussion there, but I think we both kind of came to

01:03:29.720 the, the, uh, conclusion that ultimately, you know, it's getting harder and harder for

01:03:34.520 people not to recognize that this is a common sentiment, especially on the left.

01:03:38.360 But sadly, even in some right-wing elite circles and that, that has to change.

01:03:42.760 Ultimately, we need a ruling class that is aligned with the wellbeing of, of the United States. 0.93

01:03:47.340 And if you're calling half of the United States on a regular basis, garbage or deplorable,

01:03:52.040 then that's just obviously not something that you're going to be engaging in.

01:03:56.820 Yeah.

01:03:57.180 I mean, these are people that are primarily concerned, whatever they actually believe in

01:04:00.320 primarily concerned with power.

01:04:01.820 And a lot of their hatred is just, you're not doing things for me.

01:04:05.480 That's a big problem.

01:04:06.260 And a lot of evil stems from viewing people as objects, not as full people.

01:04:11.200 It's just objects that exist to, you know, provide value to you.

01:04:14.900 You see this individually, uh, inside, outside politics, and you see, you see it like with

01:04:19.960 these people in charge, I mean, sure.

01:04:21.180 Maybe Joe Biden hates like working class white people, but working class white people that 0.99

01:04:25.220 love Joe Biden.

01:04:25.880 Yeah.

01:04:26.100 He's probably, he's probably fine with them.

01:04:28.520 Um, it's, uh, now he'll still support policies that are bad for them because that's just what

01:04:32.120 it takes to be, to be, you know, a politician in the democratic party.

01:04:34.980 But yeah, no, they're just, they just hate people that, that aren't giving them power and,

01:04:38.960 and are, are, you know, resisting the insane agenda that they're trying to foist on us.

01:04:44.900 Andrew Guller says off topic question, why didn't James Burnham have a much of an influence

01:04:49.680 on conservative, uh, and conservatism until recently did Bill Buckley torpedo his, uh,

01:04:55.680 career.

01:04:56.360 So yeah, that's a great question.

01:04:57.740 I've actually asked this, uh, when I had like Mark Hemingway on people who have written

01:05:01.000 at the national review, I'm like, do they just burn the Burnham books there?

01:05:04.660 You're not allowed to know he worked there.

01:05:06.060 He didn't have it, you know, that he had a desk, you know, he was part of the national

01:05:08.940 review.

01:05:09.560 He was a well-read, you know, respected conservative columnist in his time.

01:05:13.880 I think ultimately, you know, a lot of the wisdom of Burnham fell out of fashion as conservatism

01:05:20.060 kind of continued this march towards irrelevancy under a Buckley-ite understanding.

01:05:25.840 And any of the things that Burnham could have added to the conversation were seen as dangerous.

01:05:30.900 They were pushing against the status quo.

01:05:32.460 So, uh, his wisdom kind of fell off though.

01:05:34.740 Ultimately, I still don't have a really good answer for you.

01:05:37.520 It's amazing that the strain of thought didn't continue.

01:05:40.860 I mean, guys like Sam Francis obviously kept it alive.

01:05:43.320 A number of the paleo cons were very familiar with it.

01:05:46.060 Uh, but the fact that this did not penetrate the wider sphere is very confusing.

01:05:51.200 I mean, you know, I'll, I'll just be blunt here.

01:05:54.620 A large amount of the fact that I have any influence inside any mainstream platforms is

01:05:59.820 cause I'm like the, you know, one of the few guys that was actually talking about James

01:06:03.700 Burnham in these scenarios, he was just taking the basic wisdom that he brought forward out

01:06:08.620 of the Italian elite school and, and, and doing the same.

01:06:10.840 It's, I, I didn't reinvent any wheels here.

01:06:12.960 I just read the guy and applied what he was saying, you know, in, in kind of real time.

01:06:17.180 And the fact that no one had done that really previously, at least in, you know, obviously

01:06:21.640 had Yarvin and others doing it out well outside the conservative commentariat.

01:06:25.760 But the fact that that wasn't done on a regular basis inside the establishment is truly

01:06:29.780 baffling.

01:06:30.780 Absolutely.

01:06:31.780 I mean, I, I'm sure someone like Mark Hemingway would be far more well-versed in, you know,

01:06:36.180 the history of someone like James Burnham within conservatism, but it feels like the critique

01:06:41.000 of managerialism would not be very, yeah, not, there's probably a reason why the paleo cons

01:06:47.840 were, were okay with it than the neocons weren't.

01:06:49.740 I mean, one of, one of the interesting takeaways, uh, this year I read, uh, Godfrey and Fleming's

01:06:54.600 book, the conservative movement.

01:06:55.980 I highly recommend everyone read it.

01:06:57.480 It's not too long.

01:06:58.480 There's a lot of important stuff in there.

01:06:59.480 Um, but an important thing to keep in mind is the neocons.

01:07:01.480 One thing that differentiated them from the old, right? 1.00

01:07:04.480 Right.

01:07:05.480 That eventually became the paleo conservatives is, uh, that they had made peace with the

01:07:09.480 welfare state to some extent, um, and the welfare state, the new deal.

01:07:12.480 A lot of that is, I don't know if you can pinpoint the exact birth of managerialism, but,

01:07:17.480 um, that was definitely a, an early and a significant point.

01:07:21.480 So, uh, if you're a neoconservative reading a critique of that might not be, maybe they

01:07:27.480 agreed with some of it.

01:07:28.480 Um, nightmare vision had, had a great poster, great friend, uh, had, had a, you know, a

01:07:33.480 poster, a thread about reading some of the early neoconservatives compared to like what

01:07:37.480 people say today were on some issues, like pretty far to the right of, if that's, if that's

01:07:41.480 not a sign of how far things have moved to the left, I don't know what is, but yeah, I would

01:07:44.480 imagine for the neocon project and then unfortunately ended up becoming the dominant force, which

01:07:49.480 by the way, again, we were talking about how Trump has changed things.

01:07:53.480 Uh, just, just because the right is pro Israel does not mean it's neocon, right?

01:07:57.480 There are a lot of other things to neoconservatism that, that people, uh, that, that were terrible,

01:08:01.480 like getting canceled for supporting immigration restriction, whatever.

01:08:04.480 And like the specific people who are neocons are totally marginalized at this point.

01:08:09.480 So it's, uh, credit where credit's due.

01:08:11.480 Though I will say this James Burnham's foreign policy was relatively neocon, you know, detached

01:08:16.480 from any interest around Israel, you know, the, the suicide of the West is in many ways, 0.63

01:08:21.480 a book about why America has to expand that.

01:08:24.480 If they, if you stop expanding, you're losing, you're dying as a civilization.

01:08:27.480 So that's something that people often forget while James Burnham's political analysis, I

01:08:31.480 think is, uh, rather insightful on many areas, uh, you know, that he was not perfect.

01:08:35.480 Uh, you know, as you, you mentioned, you know, some of his predictions did not bear out.

01:08:39.480 And, you know, he was an advocate for, uh, foreign policy adventurism.

01:08:43.480 So something to keep in mind, even though we are, you know, ultimately I think, uh, praising

01:08:47.480 some of his, his larger contributions to the analysis there.

01:08:50.480 Uh, enjoyer says, uh, looks like Democrats are stealing in Pennsylvania and Nevada. 0.96

01:08:55.480 Thoughts mail-in ballots, uh, uh, mail-in ballot ruling fraud fraudulent registration.

01:09:02.480 Democrats putting down polling locations, uh, attacks on GOP offices.

01:09:08.480 Any thoughts on, uh, possible shenanigans underway?

01:09:11.480 Uh, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't rule it out.

01:09:13.480 I've seen some of that in passing.

01:09:15.480 I was out of town until I came back like late Monday.

01:09:19.480 So I haven't kept up with everything and I wouldn't be surprised, but I also, the unfortunate

01:09:25.480 thing is when these things are happening, it's kind of like with, with the hurricane, I'm sure

01:09:28.480 the government was, was doing crazy things, but everyone's tweeting out screenshots of

01:09:32.480 their like military buddy, their buddy who works at DHS.

01:09:35.480 And they're like, oh, they're all this allegations, which some of which might be true, but you also

01:09:40.480 don't know if people are just making stuff up, if they're genuinely mistaken and given the, uh, emotions.

01:09:47.480 And just to be clear, I, I absolutely do believe the government was, was negligent

01:09:50.480 and maybe in some cases doing act actively doing bad things in the case of, uh, hurricane Helen.

01:09:55.480 But it's just one of those things where like, there's just so much out there.

01:09:58.480 I'm seeing these, these allegations and, uh, I just haven't verified like every little tweet, but I, I believe it.

01:10:03.480 I believe it.

01:10:04.480 I just, it's important for people to remain critical though, because, uh, there's a lot of hysteria

01:10:08.480 that gets generated over these, but, um, and maybe it's better to err on the side of caution and just,

01:10:13.480 uh, you know, assume all of the clips are true.

01:10:15.480 Yeah.

01:10:16.480 You know, just, uh, sound the alarm.

01:10:18.480 I don't know.

01:10:19.480 Well, yeah, this is a real problem for the right because so many of these institutions

01:10:23.480 are completely corrupt.

01:10:24.480 You know, you, you, you, whatever you think they're doing, they're actually worse. 1.00

01:10:27.480 They're more evil than you believe them to be.

01:10:29.480 But the problem is that because it's so corrupt and because it's so consistently some of these wild things

01:10:34.480 into being true, people then just kind of go completely unfiltered.

01:10:37.480 They don't take any time to think through any of the accusations or the, the, the viability.

01:10:42.480 And then you get the scenario where people, you know, they, they buy into one wrong story.

01:10:46.480 And then that's the one that the media uses to say, see, they're all conspiracy theorists.

01:10:50.480 They all, you know, and so this is a real catch 22 for a lot of people, because if they don't believe

01:10:55.480 what's coming through their newsfeed, then they'll be manipulated by the left, which is lying.

01:10:59.480 And, uh, you know, saying that these things aren't happening when absolutely people in the government

01:11:03.480 are evil enough to do them.

01:11:04.480 But if you believe everything that comes across your feed, then you're probably going to get sucked

01:11:08.480 into some of these that are just, you know, people posting, uh, enthusiastically in the fog of war.

01:11:13.480 We'll put it.

01:11:14.480 So, and the last thing I want to add just very quickly on that is you got to be careful.

01:11:19.480 Sometimes it, I mean, sometimes you're wrong and it's fine.

01:11:22.480 I do actually think some of these, there were attempts to present like a, uh, like a GOP

01:11:28.480 October surprise.

01:11:29.480 There's this account like black insurrectionists that was posting these allegations that Tim

01:11:34.480 Walls did X, Y, and Z.

01:11:35.480 Yeah.

01:11:36.480 And I think it just turned out to be totally fake.

01:11:38.480 And, um, there's a fellow on Twitter, I forget his name.

01:11:43.480 Um, but he did a whole thread talking about how that is like a form of basically psychological

01:11:47.480 warfare.

01:11:48.480 Like, you know, you kind of, or maybe not psychological warfare, but the idea that like some stuff

01:11:52.480 out there might, they might, bad people might be trying to get you to spread it. 1.00

01:11:55.480 So it's like, Oh, look at how wrong and stupid they are. 1.00

01:11:57.480 So. 1.00

01:11:58.480 Right.

01:11:59.480 Just something to keep in mind as well.

01:12:00.480 Ops everywhere.

01:12:01.480 All right.

01:12:02.480 Uh, flimplar says, uh, there's seemingly no Madison square garden protest.

01:12:06.480 This was very telling.

01:12:07.480 That's a very good point.

01:12:08.480 Yeah.

01:12:09.480 That's an area where, uh, you very easily, obviously extremely left wing.

01:12:13.480 You could have had a lot of people out there in the streets if that energy was there,

01:12:17.480 but you didn't see any of it.

01:12:18.480 Right.

01:12:19.480 Yeah.

01:12:20.480 You were there.

01:12:21.480 From one person that there was one person yelling at the, at the crowd at one point.

01:12:26.480 And, uh, that's it.

01:12:27.480 Yeah.

01:12:28.480 Yeah.

01:12:29.480 That that's probably a sign.

01:12:30.480 Uh, we've got, uh, uh, is it Searles?

01:12:33.480 Probably.

01:12:34.480 Uh, thank you, sir.

01:12:35.480 Love your work or it and great guests as always.

01:12:38.480 Thank you very much.

01:12:39.480 Right.

01:12:40.480 Only the finest guests here.

01:12:41.480 I promise you, I guess you really enjoy.

01:12:43.480 So I try to deliver here every time.

01:12:45.480 Every time.

01:12:46.480 Uh, Nicholas says it's a street.

01:12:48.480 It's strange to tune in without hearing various contemporary.

01:12:50.480 Hip artists, uh, hip hop artists glaring as Patrick struggles to maintain composure.

01:12:56.480 Uh, and, and then not sure what that reference is, but probably.

01:13:00.480 I've done streams in the past where it's like just hanging out, talking about the news.

01:13:04.480 Maybe if someone wants to donate, I'll like, listen, put a song on that they like.

01:13:07.480 And people eventually realized it was funnier to, to request music that they know I'm going to hate than something I like.

01:13:13.480 So it's, uh, uh, let's see here.

01:13:17.480 Enjoy your says Nevada Supreme court ruled that the state can count mail ballots that arrive without a postmark up to three days after the election.

01:13:26.480 Yeah. I mean, obviously election integrity is going to be a huge deal.

01:13:29.480 That's something that really needs to be focused on post Trump.

01:13:32.480 Uh, especially when that space gets opened up at the, obviously the federal level doesn't get to dictate all of that, but it does give you a certain amount of leeway that then states can clean that up.

01:13:42.480 So that needs to be a huge issue.

01:13:47.480 And then, uh, Admiral snack bar says, uh, seems like Trump, uh, regretted his appointments, but even if he doesn't want more, uh, middle East deployments getting lied to, or tricked into by adversaries or that now who is not out of character recall how he, uh, he armed up.

01:14:05.480 Uh, you Kurt. Yeah. So, I mean, uh, obviously the fact that Trump was lied to by his generals previously is a huge problem, right?

01:14:13.480 Like the fact that Milley is worried about getting in prison is probably cause he committed treason, uh, and probably should be in jail.

01:14:19.480 Um, you know, uh, Patrick can disavow if he needs to, but I think that's pretty safe, pretty safe.

01:14:24.480 Uh, I support the rule of law. Yeah, that's correct. That's what restoring order is about. Exactly. Uh, that, that said, I think that's only going to make him more skittish about engaging in foreign conflicts, not less.

01:14:37.480 So, yes, you're right. Like he was misled previously, some bad staffing decisions, uh, too much trust in many of these institutions. These were failings. I will fully admit to these as being failings of Trump's that he needs to change that I expect him to change. He needs to change them.

01:14:51.480 That said, uh, if you're thinking that that's going to put him in mind to be more trusting of the military this time around, to be more trusting of advisors that are pushing him towards war, I think you're mistaken.

01:15:02.480 I think, you know, if there's any lesson learned, it's going to be that actually these people don't have my best interests at heart. I can't trust them just because they happen to have, uh, you know, a rank on their shoulder. I need to be thinking about these engagements in a very serious way.

01:15:14.480 All right, guys, well, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up. Like I said, thank you, Patrick, for coming on. It's been great speaking with you. Make sure that you're checking out his content over on Twitter and the other places that he is writing. If it's your first time on this channel, make sure that you're subscribing to the YouTube channel. You are clicking the notifications, the bell and everything. So, you know, when these streams go live, if you'd like to get these broadcasts as podcasts, make sure you subscribe to the Oren McIntyre show.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - October 30, 2024

Kamala Collapsing, Trump on Fire ｜ Guest： Patrick Casey ｜ 10⧸30⧸24

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