The Auron MacIntyre Show - Karmelo Anthony Found Guilty. What Happens Next？｜ Guest： Matthew Williams ｜ 6⧸10⧸26

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great

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00:00:33.120 All right, guys, you're going to be shocked, but we have a breaking news story where it's all good

00:00:37.500 news. I know that sounds insane. It's impossible. This can't possibly be the Oren McIntyre show,

00:00:42.640 but it is true. We have a major win from the Trump administration when it comes to disparate impact

00:00:47.680 and we have the guilty verdict in the Carmelo Anthony trial. Joining me today to discuss that

00:00:53.740 is matthew williams the prudentialist hot off his appearance on tim cast thank you so much for

00:00:58.640 coming on man yeah i know i was telling my audience earlier this week or and i said you know i might

00:01:02.440 just drop like a white pill video a very rare thing for me to do and then the news just happened

00:01:07.020 to deliver it for me so this is a really good time thanks for having me on of course yeah i should

00:01:12.180 let people know we're pre-recording this i'm traveling for the next few days so it's me and

00:01:16.560 matthew discussing this the night of it'll come out tomorrow uh but yeah just uh we planned this

00:01:21.840 we're like, we don't know what we're going to talk about, but I'm sure we'll have a good episode.

00:01:24.800 We'll figure out a topic. And the news has delivered here. It's been a great moment. So

00:01:30.300 I guess let's just dive into the first one here. Let me bring up a thread on Twitter that I think

00:01:36.720 lays this out very well. So big news from the Justice Department. Before I guess we dive into

00:01:44.060 the details here, maybe, Matthew, you can just explain to people what is the gist of disparate

00:01:50.500 impact? Why is it so important that the Trump administration address it?

00:01:54.820 Yeah, I mean, this has probably been one of the biggest things about our current legal system.

00:02:00.160 And this is something that our good friend Jeremy Carl, the author of The Unprotected Class,

00:02:04.020 spent a great deal of time discussing. I mean, in I think really basic terms, disparate impact

00:02:09.180 becomes the legal term catch-all phrase that we see when discussing civil rights law or discussing

00:02:14.800 racial issues in the United States, that it's basically the legal term for systemic racism or

00:02:20.000 structural racism or just however the term you want to use it nowadays. This is basically the

00:02:24.520 foundational building block for a lot of things regarding DEI or anti-racism. A functionally

00:02:29.940 disparate impact means that it doesn't matter that there are two different outcomes that could

00:02:34.600 be totally given for reasons beyond aptitude, ability, their background and education, or just

00:02:40.860 that one person is objectively better than the other. When it comes down to comparing, let's say,

00:02:45.720 a white outcome versus a black outcome on a test, we have to assume that this is going to boil down 0.90

00:02:50.760 to systemic disparate impact, just simply laying it out towards saying like, well, obviously there

00:02:55.420 must be some sort of barrier that is keeping the minority or the protected group down in comparison

00:03:01.480 to the rest of the population. And this has been the baseline for a majority of the progressive

00:03:07.420 anti-racist causes in the country, both on a legal front, but also in terms of just,

00:03:11.400 you know, de facto social morality. Yeah, this sounds insane when you explain it to people.

00:03:18.340 You know, if you've been watching this show, you're familiar with disparate impact. But

00:03:21.860 for the average person, we tell them that the civil rights law literally dictates that even

00:03:27.140 if there was no racist intent, if there's no racist motivation behind a policy, if two outcomes

00:03:33.360 for different races organically emerge, then that is against the law. Even though you've done

00:03:39.900 nothing wrong you made no decision that's biased it doesn't matter as long as there's two different

00:03:44.300 impacts on two different groups that is automatically de facto a violation of civil

00:03:49.740 rights law and you could be sued you can have all the penalties that accrue to that and because this

00:03:54.600 is such a broad statute that literally could just include anything you do we've had gas stations who

00:04:00.040 are administering a basic background checks and they found more black candidates were having

00:04:05.240 criminal records than white candidates that was considered racist they had to pay a giant fine

00:04:09.600 to the civil rights division just because they were doing basic criminal background checks.

00:04:14.840 That's how wild this is. And when you explain this to people, they think that can't possibly

00:04:18.780 be true. You must be making this up, but it's absolutely the case. So the Trump justice

00:04:23.820 department has issued an opinion today. And they said that basically a fundamental part of this

00:04:30.300 is unconstitutional. And this is huge. Like this is massive. So we'll just read through

00:04:35.240 the, you know, kind of top line of the decision here. So it says the EEOC's Title VII guidelines

00:04:43.240 are unconstitutional because they complete, they contemplate liability based on disparate

00:04:50.040 effects alone without regard to an employer's likely intent and the pressure and pressure

00:04:56.080 employee employers to engage in race-based discrimination. Properly understood, disparate

00:05:02.120 impact liability prescribes only those practices that reflect a significant likelihood of intentional

00:05:07.660 discrimination. So this is not a complete removal of this policy. Obviously, they can't do that by

00:05:14.100 just issuing an opinion. But what they're saying is the current way that it has to be understood,

00:05:19.000 the dictate that we have currently, is that any difference is de facto a evidence of discrimination.

00:05:27.040 but they say actually the way it should be understood is that you have to prove the intent

00:05:32.440 which was always the purpose of the civil rights law you have to show that there was a racist

00:05:38.140 decision made that someone said i'm only hiring people of this race period and not that i have

00:05:44.360 some unbiased test that produces a result that weighs on one side or the other when it comes to

00:05:50.300 any given group it says the business uh the business necessity defense requires employers

00:05:55.380 to demonstrate only the challenge practice

00:05:58.800 rationally serves a business purpose.

00:06:01.100 So you only need to prove that the test you are providing,

00:06:04.640 the standard you're providing, improves your business.

00:06:07.600 So for instance, if you have a background check

00:06:10.400 and you're saying it's better to not have criminals

00:06:12.440 in my gas station, running my gas station,

00:06:15.620 that's all I need. 1.00

00:06:16.600 If it ends up showing that more black people are criminals 0.99

00:06:18.960 than white people or Hispanic criminals than white people, 0.99

00:06:22.260 that doesn't matter.

00:06:23.280 All I have to show is that it improves my business and that I never had any racist intent when I put that into place.

00:06:30.260 Workplace requirements and selection procedures, such as background checks, aptitude tests, and SAT scores, are presumptively job-related.

00:06:40.340 Only irrational or arbitrary practices with no plausible job-relatedness can create disparate impact liability.

00:06:46.680 So this opens up a whole category here because one of the reasons that colleges have such a stranglehold on the job market is they were basically a de facto proxy for the IQ test, right?

00:07:02.120 Well, I'm not technically allowed to give you some kind of aptitude test or IQ test.

00:07:06.720 So instead, you need a college degree.

00:07:08.840 And because I filtered it through that, I no longer am subject to disparate impact.

00:07:12.960 But now there's a possibility that we could just have something like an aptitude test or a raw SAT score without a college degree, and that would be sufficient.

00:07:21.860 It's no longer considered a disparate impact liability.

00:07:26.340 Disparate impact plaintiffs must both establish that the challenged employment practice specifically caused the alleged disparate impact and provides evidence that an equally effective alternative practice causes less disparate impact.

00:07:40.700 So if someone brings a lawsuit and they say, hey, there's a disparate impact here, they have to prove that there is not some other version of the same mechanism that will not have the disparate impact.

00:07:54.200 So it's not enough to say, hey, that aptitude test is showing more white people or more Asian people are qualified than black or Hispanic people.

00:08:01.820 That is not enough. You have to say there is another version of the same test, another version of the same sorting mechanism that would have less of a disparate impact.

00:08:10.500 You have to be able to show that empirically instead of just implying that it's racist.

00:08:15.740 This is a huge change, Matthew.

00:08:18.120 Yeah, absolutely.

00:08:19.180 I mean, this is one of the first major blows I think we've seen out of the Justice Department

00:08:23.100 in recent memory where we're taking a very active stance against some interpretation

00:08:28.580 that has been the standard of the Civil Rights Act in a very long time.

00:08:32.440 Most of the time when we see the Civil Rights Act getting challenged, we've seen it in the

00:08:35.620 Supreme Court, whether it's over questions of disparate impact, but more often it's regarding

00:08:39.480 towards uh the legacy of civil rights would say like the voting rights act so to see this action

00:08:44.200 take place is a major step forward towards those that even want to advocate for meritocracy or

00:08:50.220 those that want to return towards a era of legalism in american history to where we're no longer just

00:08:56.760 going to assume that this is meant to keep an unprotected you know a protected class down

00:09:01.920 we're returning to a standard where actually we do want the best people that are going to be hired

00:09:06.020 We'd want the absolute cream of the cream of the crop here to go forward.

00:09:10.500 But on top of that, I think what's the first major step out of this entire interpretation

00:09:13.940 is that we're taking a look at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, and this

00:09:18.400 is now really going to seriously change how we're looking at the job market.

00:09:23.300 No longer are we going to be looking at ways in which individuals can either be suing and

00:09:27.800 sort of have allegations of racism, but also now we can actually test for the best candidates

00:09:32.820 that are going to do these kinds of jobs.

00:09:34.960 For an administration that has been continuing on

00:09:37.640 with pushing towards re-industrialization

00:09:39.980 and looking at national security needs for the country,

00:09:42.680 especially when it comes to technology,

00:09:45.160 defense, and the medical industry,

00:09:47.380 these are the kind of things moving forward

00:09:48.840 where we're not going to have a legal backing

00:09:51.800 of a certain kind of corporate culture

00:09:53.740 that prevents American companies and American businesses

00:09:56.700 and really just the entirety of the federal government

00:09:59.600 from basically being tied behind its back

00:10:02.260 under allegations of racism i mean while the corporate culture and the sort of woke era as

00:10:07.680 we call it is still very much alive it's still very much powerful we see this in everything from

00:10:12.180 hollywood down to the private sector by taking away some of the legal you know sort of superstructure

00:10:17.700 that they're based off of it's a very positive step in the right direction but also as you know

00:10:22.620 senator eric schmidt had pointed out on x earlier to you know today when we were recording is that

00:10:27.400 this allows the executive order that he had put out on April 23rd, 2025, at the beginning of his

00:10:35.120 term, that, you know, disparate impact liability is anti-merit and that we need to actually treat

00:10:41.060 ourselves on neutral grounds instead of, you know, simply allowing this disparate impact standard to

00:10:46.560 exist. That has to be done away with. So this puts forward furthermore of what the Trump

00:10:50.560 administration wants to do to return, I think, more of an actually colorblind system into the

00:10:55.880 country, one that is not actively anti-white. And instead, it's moving forward, I think,

00:11:00.740 on returning to a much more fair and efficient era of American business and American law.

00:11:07.780 Yeah, again, the fact that so many businesses have been staffing up, have been hiring with

00:11:14.940 this thumb on the scale that was largely anti-white, was almost exclusively used against

00:11:21.360 white people, and then at some level, Asian people, uh, to make sure that they were not 0.59

00:11:26.220 hired in the appropriate numbers, that it was all based on quotas or, you know, some 0.53

00:11:30.800 kind of desired racial outcome, uh, anything that did not fit some kind of artificial rubric

00:11:36.880 about what racial makeup should look like was considered, uh, you know, racist and,

00:11:41.660 and was an actionable, uh, you know, uh, uh, uh, piece of law.

00:11:45.440 Ultimately this shifts it because of course, if the DOJ is looking at it this way, you

00:11:50.360 know, the Department of Civil Rights there, they're the ones who are going to handle these

00:11:53.120 types of cases. So if this is the opinion and it holds up and, you know, this guy, Eric Weiss,

00:11:59.400 who I think did a good thread on this, also backs it up with some recent case law from the Supreme

00:12:04.600 Court. As you said, this all kind of converges with the previous executive order and it creates

00:12:10.500 a scenario where we just have a paradigm shift in how corporations, government agencies, everyone

00:12:17.020 else is allowed to hire again. And there probably will still be some residual resistance. Of course,

00:12:23.040 we've seen this when it comes to colleges and the Supreme Court ruling when it comes to affirmative

00:12:27.260 action. Many of these have found ways to skirt it. But ultimately, this at least allows business to

00:12:33.160 return to its own interests. It no longer has to create this artificial hiring structure that

00:12:38.700 favors minorities or people who aren't American. And that means that if you have a qualified white

00:12:44.640 guy in a job next to a Hispanic guy or a black guy who is less qualified, you no longer have to skew

00:12:50.240 your hiring practices and you no longer have to weight them in favor of those minorities. You're

00:12:55.280 allowed to hire those more qualified white candidates and you don't have to worry about

00:13:00.200 some kind of backlash coming from the government, which is a huge win. Again, it will probably take

00:13:05.600 some time for hiring departments to shift, for HR departments to shift their mentality.

00:13:10.120 You know, the personalities there, the kind of people who work in HR departments,

00:13:13.560 They'll probably continue some level of that bias. But ultimately, the legal framework that was forcing it down their throats is now effectively dead. Now, again, of course, the problem is, as with all of this stuff, this is stroke of the pen stuff, right? Like, so the next administration that comes in, if it's a Democrat administration, can reverse all of this. That makes it very fragile.

00:13:35.420 you'd like to see big changes uh you know amendments to the civil rights act those kind

00:13:40.260 of things through the republican congress but let's be real if we can't pass the save act we're

00:13:44.680 definitely not doing any kind of amendments or repeals of the civil rights act even though we

00:13:49.160 absolutely should so this is as good as the as as the trump administration could have done and i

00:13:54.320 think they deserve big credit for this you know i i tried to call you know balls and strikes with

00:13:59.220 the administration i certainly uh you know give them a hard time when i think that something is

00:14:03.660 going wrong but this is a big win it's as much as they could have hoped for in this area a huge

00:14:08.840 move from them very happy to see it and i think they deserve all the praise that they're getting

00:14:12.660 uh for this decision yeah absolutely and i mean we have to look you know towards the the past

00:14:18.940 how much disparate impact has played a major role in here you know justice scalia had famously said

00:14:25.580 during his time on the bench that at some point in the future the battle between disparate impact

00:14:30.960 and equal opportunity, as well as our basic freedom to pick who we want to actually hire

00:14:35.640 is going to come to a face, and it's going to have that battle. And I mean, that was back in 2009.

00:14:41.240 When we look at things now, obviously, we're nearly 20 years later. And this battle is,

00:14:45.620 you know, coming very front and center, I think, out of this administration.

00:14:49.000 And I think this is just in sort of the greater backdrop of what the Trump administration has

00:14:52.360 been doing. While yeah, a lot of it's stroke of the pen. But I mean, we have to consider our,

00:14:56.480 as we've said on the air before, Oren, you know, this administration is operating with one hand 0.91

00:15:02.200 tied behind its back because half of the party would love to just wait him out as a lame duck

00:15:07.000 and not get anything done in the Congress. While the entirety of the civil service that is either

00:15:11.360 holdovers from Biden and Obama appointees fight him at every turn, and you still have a multi

00:15:15.420 billion dollar left wing octopus that's ready to use every tentacle it has to stop him and fund

00:15:21.600 to protesters and to fund lawfare across the country. So to see this take place and still

00:15:26.320 everything that he's got going against him, this is an amazing step in the right direction. I think

00:15:31.320 that it's important to celebrate the victories when we get them, absolutely. But at the same

00:15:36.580 time, we have to consider the fact that there's still a lot more that needs to be done. I think

00:15:41.680 that this significantly opens up for American businesses that have maybe a favorability towards

00:15:47.700 the administration or would like to game it out in lawfare. Various other states, I mean,

00:15:51.900 this would be another win for Ron DeSantis if he wants to take the remaining time he has as

00:15:56.000 governor to maybe find a case that he can move forward to see if this can be challenged before

00:15:59.980 the Supreme Court. But overall, I mean, this gives us significantly more room for red states to make

00:16:05.300 their hiring practices for local businesses in their states fairer and give a stronger position

00:16:11.400 towards aptly qualified candidates rather than being harangued or, you know, either being

00:16:15.860 discriminatory racist or not hiring enough people under the names of just like a diversity hire

00:16:21.520 absolutely i want to go ahead and read this uh summary paragraph that they have in the decision

00:16:26.820 here it says disparate impact liability as currently interpreted by the eoc is unconstitutional

00:16:32.760 we interpret title seven to conform to the safeguards of disparate impact liability that

00:16:38.680 the supreme court has indicated are constitutionally required setting an appropriate

00:16:44.080 threshold for business necessity, required robust causality, and demanding evidence of an equally

00:16:50.880 effective alternative practice that causes less disparate impact are essential prerequisites

00:16:57.300 to any imposition of liability. The EEOC's regulations and guidance fail to incorporate

00:17:03.560 these safeguards in key respects, and the validation study and affirmative action

00:17:10.080 regulations conflict with title seven and the constitution so again it's previously it was

00:17:17.960 basically absolutely a win if you filed any kind of disparate impact lawsuit and there's any

00:17:24.280 statistical difference you're going to automatically win that case that was never supposed to be the

00:17:28.420 intention of the civil rights uh uh the civil rights act that was explicitly something that

00:17:34.300 they tried to box out of the civil rights act because so many people uh said this was going

00:17:38.180 to be concerned when it was originally passed. And yet anyway, the courts kind of built it in 0.86

00:17:42.580 and it got re-instantiated in the 1991 Civil Rights Act by Republicans, by the way. And so

00:17:48.680 the fact that they have changed that standard, they say, look, you have to have all these

00:17:54.400 barriers before you can trigger disparate impact. You have to show the intention. You have to show

00:17:59.940 that this was hurting people and you have to show there's no alternative. And if you can't prove

00:18:05.080 all of these things which are going to be pretty hard to prove then you can't trigger this basically

00:18:10.480 you may you you functionally have to catch someone writing a memo saying we only hire white people

00:18:15.280 here or black people here and so if you don't have that memo somewhere you simply cannot create you

00:18:21.280 know this disparate impact standard anymore and so that means that businesses just have a a higher

00:18:26.460 degree of latitude at pretty much every area in every area of hiring uh which is is huge again

00:18:32.920 can't say enough about this um this is a big win for the Trump administration there's no other way

00:18:37.540 to frame this great job from them uh you know always want to praise the admin when they're

00:18:42.080 doing a good job and this is just a fantastic example this is what we voted for more of this

00:18:47.360 this is what we want to see fantastic job guys love it yeah absolutely and again like I think

00:18:53.800 this just opens up so much more room now for uh future cases I mean to be tested I think that if

00:19:00.900 this is going to be the standard that we're using. I mean, now with the difference in the Supreme

00:19:05.120 Court, I think that this means that you can potentially take a look at various standards

00:19:09.400 that have been challenged in the past when it comes to Title VII with disparate impact. I think

00:19:13.060 that you could look at this with like, you know, Ricky versus Stefano back in 2009, where you're

00:19:19.320 moving away from sort of a strict approach under Title VII. I think that now that we're having this

00:19:23.780 move going forward, I think that we're finally going to see a proper, you know, at least for

00:19:28.800 right now until we have a case or the Supreme Court decides to legislate from the bench or if

00:19:33.100 Congress ever gets off its butt and does something, then at least for right now, we're seeing an open

00:19:37.560 door for various states' attorney generals to just go forward and move in the right direction towards

00:19:43.660 proper meritocratic employment, the utilization of tests. That way, we're no longer giving

00:19:49.540 the legal force, the real cudgel that the left has when it comes to making sure that whites and 0.79

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00:20:33.100 And this is very interesting because it dovetails with something you had sent me

00:20:36.140 earlier. We looked at a study that was saying that artificial intelligence algorithms are being used

00:20:43.560 to kind of pre-interview people when it comes to job selection, which, by the way, is nightmarish

00:20:50.000 and terrible. Like as somebody, I think both of us have been in situations where we're looking for

00:20:54.680 job, sending out, you know, dozens of resumes a day, hundreds of resumes over a week, you know,

00:21:00.900 wondering if we're ever going to hear back. So the fact that you have this impersonal force between

00:21:05.700 you and hiring managers is already terrible. But the study was claiming that the AI was preferring

00:21:12.060 white people. It was, you know, disproportionately setting out black and Hispanic candidates

00:21:18.940 because they weren't meeting the requirements that had kind of been built into the artificial

00:21:23.420 intelligence and the claim of the study was that ultimately this was a violation of this exact

00:21:28.860 section title seven of the civil rights act because it created a disparate impact and so

00:21:34.320 very interestingly when you couldn't use iq tests or you couldn't use uh you know any of these

00:21:40.040 aptitude tests basically ai was being used as an alternative to kind of avoid the civil rights

00:21:46.000 implications but they were trying to say oh no it's also creating disparate impact so that could

00:21:50.560 be a lawsuit with a ruling like this it looks like you could probably continue to use that ai

00:21:56.180 algorithm without it being considered a violation you would avoid you know those triggers so you now

00:22:02.980 have these other ways again i don't want to be evaluated by an ai before being hired but if you

00:22:07.740 have to be evaluated by an ai without being hired at least it's no longer uh you know under suspicion

00:22:14.680 of this violation of title seven it's no longer considered disparate impact you could actually

00:22:20.240 go ahead and implement something like that, even if it ends up favoring white candidates

00:22:24.860 because they tend to be more employable. 0.59

00:22:27.760 Yeah.

00:22:28.000 And I mean, the study is called Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring.

00:22:32.000 It's free for you to read.

00:22:33.580 I mean, even in its abstract, it's just talking about how like over 90% of U.S.

00:22:37.800 employers rely on hiring algorithms to screen job applicants.

00:22:41.840 And I mean, whether it's on Indeed or it's their own system or however they're using

00:22:45.660 to look for jobs, Glassdoor, LinkedIn, et cetera.

00:22:48.540 all these things are going to have, at least most of the time, some kind of AI system that's

00:22:52.980 included with it, as well as algorithms to scan. The findings, of course, are saying that there's

00:22:58.200 a large-scale adverse impacts on Asian and Black candidates, of course, raising questions over

00:23:03.060 Title VII. But this is specifically with one vendor, over 4 million applications. And of course,

00:23:09.880 once you apply, that specific vendor keeps that on their system for 330 days. So even if you were

00:23:15.660 to apply six months later for a different opening, it's still going to have your application on file

00:23:22.120 and already your score and how you're going to be ranked is going to be already kept in there

00:23:27.060 for almost a year. And I think that has a significant impact put in place. But when we

00:23:31.200 have a lot of conversations about sort of AI morality or AI training, especially when it comes

00:23:36.540 to the culture, we know that Reddit is used quite often for a lot of training models and for training

00:23:41.420 data, which is already pretty progressive as it is. But we can already see from numerous articles,

00:23:47.120 as well as from the evidence that's already been prescribed with other AI models that, you know,

00:23:51.540 there is a significant discrimination and weight against, you know, Christians and whites in the

00:23:56.980 United States when it comes to what is worth more. And if we're going to have this sort of like

00:24:01.600 automated system that is in place, then it raises some significant questions. This is one study on

00:24:07.240 one vendor. But I think when we take a look at how the job market is going, and we've noticed

00:24:12.200 repeatedly that there has been article after article and study after study, that really does

00:24:17.640 indicate that a majority of the jobs that have been awarded and or created since COVID have gone

00:24:23.320 overwhelmingly over, I think the last one I saw was 52% had gone either to foreign-born immigrants

00:24:29.640 or those that had just come into the country. And of course, this is on top of the H-1B debate that

00:24:35.460 we've been having, I think, since like Christmas of 2024. Overall, I think that what we're beginning

00:24:40.160 to see is real questions that are going to be raised with how AI is going to be used in relation

00:24:45.280 towards this new disparate impact rules. But I think that overall, one of the important things

00:24:50.540 to look at here is that while a lot of the models that we're seeing are already what we would call

00:24:55.760 progressive or woke or anti-white, I think that it shows us to sort of extrapolate on that sort

00:25:01.180 of study, but also with what's regards to Title VII. And more specifically, that when we have

00:25:06.040 these things being weighted, we have to now consider this is one study, one vendor, there

00:25:11.180 are countless algorithms, there are countless tools that are being put in place, not to mention

00:25:14.680 the entire HR apparatus that is going to continuously use this to discriminate. And we

00:25:19.920 already saw a major case earlier this year where it was someone at the New York, I think it was at

00:25:24.200 New York Magazine, that was suing for anti-white discrimination. And all it's going to take is

00:25:29.380 going to be a real quick control F on, you know, not hiring whites or, you know, put this away from 0.86

00:25:34.820 this specific algorithm. Who do we really want to look towards? And so I think now this gives more 0.78

00:25:39.320 room for proper legal representation to Americans who have been, you know, victimized for over 10 0.93

00:25:46.560 years now about the very issues of, well, you're not worth it, you know, pale, male, and stale, 0.91

00:25:52.080 that's out. And so I think that we're kind of moving in a positive direction to where

00:25:55.540 the Department of Justice and the still-existent Civil Rights Division with the DOJ, which I think

00:26:02.440 Harmeet Dillon is still in charge of, gives them some more opportunity to look at, well,

00:26:06.000 if we're going to use these algorithms, how can we ensure that they're not discriminating against

00:26:09.520 whites and native-born Americans? And I think that that's a very positive step that we can

00:26:13.440 look towards in the right direction, especially as this administration continues to be exceedingly

00:26:17.840 proactive on the issues that we care about. I mean, I just saw, I think it was The Atlantic

00:26:21.840 complaining that this is the sixth month in a row that we've only allowed white South African

00:26:27.120 refugees into the country, really the only people that the United States would aptly consider a

00:26:32.640 refugee, considering that they are targeted by their government and that, you know, saying kill

00:26:37.000 the boar is legal speech in their own respective country. So I think that this is a great step 1.00

00:26:41.300 forward and it gives us a lot more room to continue to fight against, you know, just the

00:26:45.320 basic anti-white culture that exists here in the country. No, I think that's really important. 0.93

00:26:50.140 And as you say, the paradigm shift legally is huge.

00:26:53.100 You basically had a legal framework where previously it was always the minority was

00:26:58.460 the victim and the white guy was the oppressor.

00:27:01.220 And you could be as racist and bigoted towards white American males as you wanted, and you

00:27:07.240 would never, ever face any penalties and you could favor every minority. 0.62

00:27:11.080 And that was actually required.

00:27:12.720 And now you have a scenario where there's a real shift where not only can you no longer

00:27:18.360 favor the minority in this ridiculous manner, but you might even open the door to legal liability 0.94

00:27:23.820 if you are biased against white males. And that is just so outside the realm of anything that 0.96

00:27:30.160 corporations have interacted with for 50 plus years at this point that it completely shakes

00:27:36.220 up the hiring. HR managers and legal liabilities, corporate lawyers are sitting right now staring

00:27:41.940 at their hiring practices, trying to figure out what to do, I'm sure, because this just

00:27:46.280 completely upends everything that they have built their structure around when it comes to

00:27:50.720 selecting employees and hedging your bets against lawsuits and all of these things. 0.89

00:27:54.500 So the fact that this is now something that is genuinely in the court of the average white

00:28:00.880 American male is huge. It means that you can actually hopefully get a fair shot when you 0.63

00:28:06.620 are stepping into an interview, when you're looking at even an algorithm in a process,

00:28:11.860 admissions, all these things. Again, I'm sure there will be holds out holdouts. I'm sure

00:28:16.040 there'll be corporations that violate this. I'm sure they're going to need to litigate this and

00:28:19.620 force it through. You have to see that enforcement. That's going to be the follow through, right?

00:28:23.500 We're doing a lot of praising here and they deserve it a hundred percent. But just like

00:28:27.640 when it comes to the, you know, the universities, we need to see the follow through. If you're not

00:28:31.160 threatening these people with lawsuits, if you're not bringing legal consequences,

00:28:34.860 they're just going to ignore this ruling. So big praise, you know, fully behind this,

00:28:39.420 love it, but we also want to see the follow through. We want to see the finish. This is

00:28:42.880 an amazing first step they deserve all the credit in the world for taking that step but we need to

00:28:48.080 see the rest of the race run and i hope they hold to that yeah and this is where you know so much of

00:28:53.560 our i think time on social media kind of gets wasted sort of arguing over things that the

00:28:59.220 administration does or doesn't do or we're reacting to the news so often i think you know

00:29:03.760 there's i think we compare i think comparing ourselves to boomers can be quite apt because

00:29:07.340 just as our parents and grandparents would yell at the television or at the radio about news that

00:29:12.480 they hear we're doing the same thing sort of reacting to the news or quote tweeting about it

00:29:16.060 and so on but i mean i think like you had said the follow-through is really important and like

00:29:20.640 as we saw when we discussed years ago with the claudine gay uh situation at harvard on your

00:29:25.400 channel you know there are there's going to be ways in which they get around it and whether it 0.96

00:29:29.340 leads to sort of this creation of like an anti-woke neoconservatism which has certainly

00:29:33.160 happened since that whole debacle took place but i think that this is a really good opportunity to

00:29:38.040 encourage listeners as those are especially in the in the legal field like if you are a young

00:29:43.020 hotshot lawyer who is seriously thinking about a political career a litigation against this you

00:29:48.900 know sort of stuff where companies and corporations are trying to get around it this is how you're

00:29:52.820 going to make a name for yourself and taking advantage of what the doj has now opened up for

00:29:57.720 you i think really gives us a chance to begin to strategize both on a legal front but also on a

00:30:02.720 political one as to what we can do on the state and local level to ensure that red states across

00:30:08.060 the country can enshrine this into law based off of these legal decisions. And if someone wants to 0.53

00:30:13.100 sue predicated on that, this is a fantastic way forward in which, at least for right now with our

00:30:18.100 current system, if the court's going to legislate by the bench as it has been for the entirety of

00:30:22.300 our lifetimes put together, then at the very least it could be potentially done in a way that

00:30:26.320 actually enshrines this into law. And I think that this is a good step forward and the follow-through

00:30:30.980 is there for um political actors across the country for those who are really interested

00:30:35.300 in making sure that this happens all right well like i said this is our white pill episode you

00:30:40.200 know once a year enjoy it guys you know treasure this you know you hold on to this one to warm you

00:30:45.100 through the cold of winter uh but the other big story of course is the carmelo anthony verdict

00:30:51.460 of course uh you know he has been found guilty of murdering austin metcalf uh this is big on a

00:30:58.800 number of levels of course we just saw uh you know the horrific death of uh you know a young

00:31:06.260 man in england due to a migrant and then just another you know migrant trying to behead a man

00:31:12.540 in uh in northern ireland we see this kind of you know uh violence against white people uh often by

00:31:19.080 immigrants but in this case we're talking about the carmelo anthony uh just a a situation where

00:31:24.600 uh you had a black man or a black uh student who you know tried to walk in you know to to this tent

00:31:31.140 uh during uh this game this track meet and ended up stabbing austin metcalf brought a a knife to

00:31:37.860 uh you know the the uh the uh track meet and uh did you know was claiming self-defense as if he

00:31:45.200 needed to for some reason uh murder a guy who was just kind of trying to move him out of the tent

00:31:50.840 uh interestingly in this a couple important things first uh carmelo anthony raised a

00:31:56.660 giant pile of money uh claiming to be a victim of racism you know ultimately saving this is

00:32:02.700 self-defense and it's being brought against me just because i'm black uh raised an enormous

00:32:06.700 amount of money uh hilariously enough uh his family decided to spend that money i guess on

00:32:12.640 cars and and and renting houses and such because he ended up with a public defender uh so even

00:32:18.280 though there were a bunch of people who jumped on predominantly black people uh donating just

00:32:23.820 because the guy was black and he killed a white guy uh and uh you know he ended up with this pile

00:32:28.480 of money uh his family basically stole it from him and hung him out to dry uh which is exactly 0.89

00:32:33.400 what he deserves uh and uh you know he ended up with this public defender the defense was terrible

00:32:38.500 uh they they attempted to eventually claim that austin metcalf accidentally stabbed himself

00:32:44.680 with the knife uh which is just insane but they tried to like basically say oh well no it was like

00:32:50.920 a struggle and he ended up stabbing himself and that's that's how he died uh the jury was even

00:32:55.700 allowed it was instructed by the judge that they were allowed to pursue a lower charge so they

00:33:02.680 could have gone with something like uh manslaughter which would have can uh carry a much lower uh

00:33:08.920 penalty obviously but they refused they went to uh the murder charge so not only uh was this guy

00:33:15.520 convicted he was convicted of the maximal charge uh available even though the the jury had a free

00:33:21.840 out to kind of try to try to avoid i guess like a uh you know a uh oj simpson uh scenario uh but

00:33:29.400 they went and gave the entire uh sentence and so we're still waiting for the sentencing and

00:33:35.120 sentencing itself. In Texas, the span is wide. You could go anywhere from five years to 99 years

00:33:42.060 or life. It's an interesting thing. We'll have to follow up and see what the sentencing itself is.

00:33:48.380 But obviously, this is huge. The fact that justice is being done here, of course, it's still

00:33:53.200 incredibly tragic. Austin Metcalfe's death is horrific. This doesn't solve anything for his

00:34:00.800 family. His loss is still felt quite considerably in the community. However, it is good to see that

00:34:08.140 even in this racially charged environment where often an advantage is given to minorities, a

00:34:14.160 sympathetic narrative is built out that encourages juries to ultimately side with

00:34:20.300 a minority in this scenario. Instead, they did exactly what they should have and they returned

00:34:25.720 the correct verdict. They didn't chicken out and take the lesser charge or anything like that.

00:34:30.340 And so, again, we'll have to wait for the final sentencing, but the verdict itself is justice.

00:34:36.460 And I think everyone should be heartened to see that in this environment, with all of the political charge and all the racial animus involved, we still saw proper justice done here.

00:34:47.480 Yeah, I mean, when we take a look at what happened, you know, when we see, you know, after the fees from Give, Send, Go, they had collected $636,400 for the claims of legal defense.

00:34:58.900 and instead of lawyers his family bought a cadillac escalade a new house fresh clothes etc

00:35:04.260 um and he went to court with a public defender which for even if you are not a lawyer or familiar

00:35:09.220 with the legal system a public defender is you know they'll do their best uh they may not be

00:35:13.720 trained it's at the public service they don't make as much money as they would working as their

00:35:17.180 independent private practice um and you know they're there to ensure that the defendant is

00:35:21.000 not unfairly treated by the prosecution and by the state um and we saw what happened and we know

00:35:25.680 that the jury is the only ones who had saw um the footage that has been remained closed and

00:35:31.980 unavailable to the public uh because had it been i think available we would have seen a lot more

00:35:36.640 action on this issue i think more swiftly just as we've seen already what happened in northern

00:35:41.360 ireland where you know you can call it an assault you can call it whatever you want but when i'm

00:35:45.740 watching someone get stabbed and attempted to be beheaded uh you're not going to be able to tell

00:35:49.940 me to not believe my lying eyes um and of course the american people and of course the the entire

00:35:54.640 region out of the demands for safety or our previous conversations we've had on the community

00:35:58.520 relations service um that it's something that needs to be out there for people to understand

00:36:03.740 this is not some you know case of the self-defense yes the knife that he had is not illegal under

00:36:10.020 texas law uh it doesn't matter he carried it with a purpose and he used to stab austin metcalf

00:36:14.440 um and now that we're seeing the reactions play out in front of the courthouse uh it's you know

00:36:20.040 they're trying to get that oj simpson thing going on as we've discussed but i think that it just

00:36:23.780 becomes really clear and in everyone's face about what we're dealing with here which of course is

00:36:28.560 a very racially motivated form of support we saw it earlier outside on on the news and from people

00:36:35.680 reacting you know what am i supposed to tell my boys and i mean you know as a few accounts have

00:36:40.760 said well you just tell them not to kill anybody this shouldn't be crazy um but sadly it is in

00:36:45.600 part because you can't act like you're the great al sharpton you're not going to act like and he's 0.81

00:36:50.380 not even great to begin with but like you can't act like a thespian this is not theater for you 0.60

00:36:54.800 this has been allocating thousands and millions of dollars over my lifetime and countless others 0.87

00:37:00.840 uh predicated to basically get away with racially motivated murder um when you can get away with it

00:37:06.600 and treat it as such because that you know that there's an entire legal apparatus and a cultural 0.93

00:37:10.640 movement and moment uh that is predicated on saying well it's okay to kill a white guy 0.98

00:37:15.540 that Carmelo Anthony and his family made over half a million dollars for killing a white kid. 0.97

00:37:20.260 And I think that that's very clear in this case. It's very apt. And of course, what is the media 1.00

00:37:25.140 going to run with? What are his supporters going to run with? They're simply going to say tomorrow

00:37:29.100 as the news breaks out, and this all comes national news, that Carmelo Anthony did not

00:37:32.960 have a single black juror on the jury. And we know during jury selection, this has been a very

00:37:38.640 public trial for anyone to look at on the news, that they had gone through and asked everyone who

00:37:44.780 was a potential member of the jury on the jury pool to make sure that they weren't discriminating

00:37:49.540 and that they weren't going to have any biases in place when being on the jury. Because that's

00:37:54.960 a big part of, if you've ever been called into jury duty, it's something they're going to ask

00:37:58.180 with criminal cases. If you have any biases or just the subject matter of the case, you know,

00:38:02.300 with the victim being white or the defendant being black, that's going to, you know, put any

00:38:05.920 sort of bias on you. And there were black individuals who were there on the jury pool

00:38:10.520 that said, I'm not sure if I could put a brother in prison. And they were thanked for their time

00:38:14.440 in their service and that they were dismissed for obvious grounds because that would have been

00:38:17.780 incredibly prejudicial. So with all that being said, I think that this is good news that Austin

00:38:22.500 Metcalf and his family gets some semblance of justice. It's a reminder that we won't have

00:38:27.160 Austin with us anymore. May his memory be eternal. But at the same time, you know, this is a step in

00:38:33.160 the right direction to see something happen. Whether or not he gets 99 or life or whatever

00:38:37.600 they decide to do with him, that's up to the jury and what the court does. But the reactions out

00:38:42.680 here in place should make it very obvious that despite all claims about what wokeness is for

00:38:48.880 or for what progressive or what equal protection has been for, it has been adamantly motivated by

00:38:54.420 agitators, by political activists, and by the popular culture that these kinds of things are

00:38:59.960 acceptable, that these kinds of things are part and parcel of our, you know, multi-ethnic,

00:39:05.120 multi-racial, multi-cultural society. And really what it has come from, just with the same thing

00:39:09.440 with Title VII, is that it is legally and culturally mandated that the life of someone

00:39:15.540 like Austin Metcalf or earlier, you know, that was big in the news with Irina, their lives do not 0.57

00:39:21.460 matter, that they are not worth it, and that this is something that should be celebrated. And we've 0.88

00:39:25.320 seen it on the timeline. If you want to go look for it, you certainly can. It's not very hard to

00:39:29.420 find. And there are people countlessly celebrating what Carmelo Anthony had done. And so while the

00:39:35.100 case for justice is good to see that he was found guilty of murder um it still is just one of

00:39:41.400 countless thousands of cases that will happen in america statistically speaking there will be

00:39:45.500 thousands of austin metcalfs and arenas in this country that take place and i think that things

00:39:50.240 like this need to be motivated and highlighted because from the obama administration onward

00:39:54.540 you know whether it's blm or even obama himself has you know told me to remember a litany of names

00:40:00.160 of individuals that had been killed by the police or killed because of their own criminal activities

00:40:04.780 that have burned down the country in 2020

00:40:06.940 in the name of mostly peaceful protests.

00:40:09.380 No, I think that I would much rather remember

00:40:11.600 the names of people who were murdered in cold blood

00:40:14.240 for no other reason than because they felt

00:40:16.720 like they could get away with it

00:40:17.820 and that they knew that they would either be found

00:40:19.840 incompetent to stand trial,

00:40:21.080 they would be bailed out by a progressive DA.

00:40:23.600 But no, for once, it's good to see justice

00:40:25.960 in the world to take place,

00:40:27.200 but it doesn't bring Austin Metcalfe back.

00:40:30.060 Yeah, I'm glad that you pointed out

00:40:32.520 the different orientation of this story when it comes to, you know, kind of George Floyd 2020

00:40:40.040 and today. The difference is stark. You know, obviously there's a lot of ethnic entitlements,

00:40:46.320 as you say. Unfortunately, we've gotten to a point in jury selection where there are many people

00:40:51.660 of minorities that will simply say, I'm voting for people who look like me no matter what.

00:40:56.540 I will always side with them. That pretty much destroys the idea of a jury of your peers.

00:41:02.000 If you have, if every jury is simply an ethnic headcount, then there is no justice. And sadly, that has been, you know, kind of the direction we're going. And so you have a scenario where everyone who is, you know, black or these other minorities, they just kind of assume that they're going to get these automatic votes, that things should go their way, that they're, you know, of course, I'm never going to vote a black man into jail, even if he did murder some white kid in cold blood. 0.96

00:41:27.580 uh you know i i just won't do it because of racial solidarity and so this has been a very

00:41:32.180 dangerous time and it's very clear i think that the left uh hates trump uh certainly would not be

00:41:38.100 sad to see another summer of love kick off in a moment like this uh but it seems like the energy

00:41:43.800 is just not there it seems like there is simply you know while they're trying to gin that up

00:41:48.020 they're trying to create this after this verdict uh there are still you know people saying oh black

00:41:52.320 man can't get a fair trial around here because of the white jury ultimately it seems like there's

00:41:56.240 just not enough juice there to generate that result. And that's very positive. You know, I

00:42:00.960 did a post on Twitter that kind of went viral about this. But just a few days ago, I was in a

00:42:07.820 store, you know, and I'm in a part of Florida where the law is applied, to be clear, like this

00:42:12.340 isn't San Francisco, people go to jail, you'd think in general, for crime. But I was in a store,

00:42:17.820 and there's some, you know, black guy who was mumbling to himself, running, you know, kind of

00:42:23.080 walking through the shelves uh you know i just kind of kept my distance and paid attention but

00:42:28.500 otherwise you know i was fine when he went out the door woman ran up to the counter and said

00:42:34.160 i'm pretty sure that guy scooped a whole bunch of items into his bag before he left and the woman

00:42:39.240 working there said the company doesn't allow us to call the police because they wouldn't do anything

00:42:44.520 anyway and it looks bad he does that all the time and so it's just one of the scenarios where

00:42:49.420 this guy can't be held to the same standard that a white guy would be held to because he's black 0.59

00:42:54.300 and it would look bad and the police don't want to deal with it so we just let him steal stuff 0.96

00:42:58.460 and that's the way it goes and for a lot of people that seems to be like the explanation 0.93

00:43:03.380 for Kamala Anthony's actions well a black guy is allowed to act this way he's allowed to

00:43:09.360 you know accelerate things you can't treat a black person the same way you treat a white person 0.93

00:43:14.740 because they're going to become more violent and they have the right to do so and if you try to 0.76

00:43:18.700 stop them or you try to take general action you're the racist you're the bad guy so you know best

00:43:24.560 case scenario you're just a racist worst case scenario you're austin metcalf and that was austin 0.97

00:43:29.360 metcalf's final crime was treating carmelo anthony the way he would treat any other white guy you 0.99

00:43:35.060 can't behave this way you weren't supposed to be here you're here i try to remove you and i end up

00:43:40.940 dead an unnecessary escalation perhaps in any other scenario there would have been a scuffle

00:43:45.780 maybe even a fistfight but that would have been the end right but because of this entitlement

00:43:50.680 because of this idea that i get to act a certain way and no one gets to challenge me because of

00:43:55.620 the color of my skin i'm basically an aristocrat because of the color of my skin austin matcalf

00:44:01.780 is dead right that this is the way that many people see the world minorities get these special 0.99

00:44:07.560 privileges like they do in the uk and you just have to hand it over to them and so it is good 1.00

00:44:12.760 to see in this moment that despite

00:44:14.780 all of that narrative, all that backing,

00:44:16.940 all of that pressure, ultimately

00:44:18.840 justice was done here. Again,

00:44:20.760 we don't know the sentencing. Hopefully

00:44:22.720 he receives a very just

00:44:24.800 sentence, a long sentence, a life

00:44:26.680 sentence for what happened

00:44:28.680 here. But the

00:44:30.800 fact that this was the verdict, I think, is

00:44:32.820 encouraging. And again,

00:44:34.620 more to be done.

00:44:36.420 Things are still not equal.

00:44:39.080 But I think that these two

00:44:40.700 stories together are, again, just

00:44:42.760 two big wins in this area. And I think we should take the time to appreciate because this could

00:44:49.400 have ended up as another summer of love. This could have been another spark. This could have

00:44:52.440 been another George Floyd. And instead, we're getting the correct sentence and we're not seeing

00:44:57.520 a big reaction. And I think that's a big deal. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that when we consider

00:45:03.300 where we're at in this point in time with the administration and the efforts that are being

00:45:08.140 done. You know, this is all, you know, people on Twitter are absolutely right. You know, a lot of

00:45:12.440 the worst things that you can think of are finally being addressed in terms of the scale of history

00:45:18.000 five seconds ago. These are things that have been talked about and have been protested about. There

00:45:22.880 are a litany of people that you and I have met in person or have engaged with online that have

00:45:28.120 been talking about these things for as long as I've been alive. They're old and they're jaded,

00:45:33.100 but I think for the first time in their lifetime, they can finally see something move in a positive

00:45:37.940 direction, and it's come at significant cost to them. And I think that, again, we can't be looking

00:45:42.540 at this as this is something that's all going to get fixed overnight. I think a lot of people

00:45:46.960 are looking towards how can this be maintained towards the future after this administration

00:45:51.780 and going forward. And I mean, there's a lot of things that have been passed in the House recently,

00:45:56.360 I think right before we went live or recording for this one, that the Republican House has just

00:46:01.360 passed a $70 billion package to fund ICE through the end of Trump's term, basically trying to

00:46:06.920 bypass Democrats from ever cutting off funding while Trump is in office. So, I mean, that's a

00:46:11.900 good sign to show. And so much more needs to be done. But we need to be able to understand that

00:46:17.140 the victories that we have give us more room to breathe, but more importantly, to plan the next

00:46:23.080 move that needs to be done to restore order to the country and to bring back a semblance of

00:46:28.320 actually enforcing the rule of law in doing so. Because, you know, we've had laws that have been

00:46:34.900 passed in the name of victims before we had the lake and riley act passed um in the house and it

00:46:40.220 got signed by the president of the united states at the beginning of this term i hope that the

00:46:43.500 texas state house tries to do something similar in memory of austin metcalf uh because so much

00:46:48.320 racially motivated crime really does only go in one direction and it is a culture that has been

00:46:52.780 put in place and we've also seen that across the pond with our friends in the anglosphere

00:46:56.160 that the sort of blm kind of movement and this anti-police this anti-law the two-tier policing

00:47:02.880 that gets discussed over there.

00:47:04.080 It exists here in America too.

00:47:05.600 We call it anarcho-tyranny.

00:47:06.840 Sam Francis had made that very clear

00:47:08.300 when he wrote about it decades ago.

00:47:10.140 It still exists.

00:47:11.180 But I think that, as you had said, Oren,

00:47:12.740 when we look at these two cases,

00:47:13.880 we really do need to take stock

00:47:15.280 that while there is so much more work

00:47:17.260 that's being done,

00:47:18.220 we should be able to celebrate the wins

00:47:20.040 when we get them

00:47:20.780 and begin to strategize

00:47:22.160 on how to move forward

00:47:23.080 so we can keep winning.

00:47:25.460 All right, guys,

00:47:26.200 we're going to go ahead

00:47:26.740 and wrap it up here.

00:47:27.500 Again, this is prerecorded,

00:47:28.860 so sorry we cannot answer

00:47:30.260 your questions today,

00:47:31.560 but we appreciate you watching uh matthew can you go ahead and let people know where they should

00:47:35.980 find your work yeah sure so you can find me on twitter at mr prudentialist i'm also on youtube

00:47:40.620 usually i have a lovely little amphibious profile picture today unfortunately i have to deal with

00:47:44.060 my face and my voice but nevertheless orin i'm always glad to come on i'm usually writing uh

00:47:48.700 on substack yeah just the prudentialist.substack.com um and lately i've just been kind of all over the

00:47:53.760 place as orin mentioned i was on tim cast last week uh i'm a guy who can you know get you a guy

00:47:58.380 who can do everything, which means talking about the Chicago Bears and sports and things like that.

00:48:02.160 Or if you want to listen to me talk about elections, I was on Jenna Ellis earlier this

00:48:05.480 week discussing what had taken place with the Los Angeles mayoral elections and ballot harvesting.

00:48:10.540 But overall, I cover, I have two programs called The Digital Archipelago, which I like to just say

00:48:14.860 we're on Twitter so you don't have to be covering the news and discourse and daily events. And a

00:48:18.200 show called Do You Even Read? Because so many people in our political sphere tell you to read

00:48:21.840 theory, tell you to read books. No one actually does it except maybe like Oren and myself.

00:48:25.900 and my co-host dimes and i we cover the various political treatises and theories that people tell

00:48:31.680 you to read and we actually you know read them we like to say that we're the only pro illiteracy

00:48:35.240 podcast online but that's what i do you can find me at those links and uh or as always oren thank

00:48:40.220 you so much for having me on absolutely when you get on tim cast you got to have range you know

00:48:44.100 you never know what you're gonna they're gonna pitch at you so you got to be ready for any

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 10, 2026

Karmelo Anthony Found Guilty. What Happens Next？｜ Guest： Matthew Williams ｜ 6⧸10⧸26

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 10, 2026

Karmelo Anthony Found Guilty. What Happens Next？ ｜ Guest： Matthew Williams ｜ 6⧸10⧸26

Episode Stats

Summary

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Karmelo Anthony Found Guilty. What Happens Next？｜ Guest： Matthew Williams ｜ 6⧸10⧸26