The Auron MacIntyre Show - Leftist Meltdown Over Scalping of Harvard President ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 1⧸8⧸24

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

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00:00:38.540 So, there's been a huge showdown over Harvard.

00:00:42.660 We've seen higher education having a big leftist civil war

00:00:47.600 as different factions trying to decide who's going to be in charge.

00:00:51.140 Is it going to be the establishment left?

00:00:52.780 Is it going to be the insurgent DEI left?

00:00:56.220 And now, we have seen the firing of Claudine Gay over at Harvard. 0.80

00:01:01.620 Or I should say, the resignation of her after a great amount of pressure.

00:01:07.020 Now, Chris Rufo is one of the guys who brought a heavy amount of that pressure.

00:01:10.960 And a lot of leftists are up in arms over that.

00:01:14.620 He claimed to have scalped Claudine Gay after she had been removed from her presidency over at Harvard.

00:01:22.760 And we saw a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth about that.

00:01:26.360 But there are other factions that have been intimately involved in making sure that the kind of pro-Palestinian segment of the university leadership gets pushed out.

00:01:39.700 And so, we're going to be asking the question, is this a win?

00:01:42.820 How did this go about?

00:01:44.000 How are the leftists reacting to all of this?

00:01:46.260 And joining me to do that today is, of course, everyone's favorite frog, the Prudentialist.

00:01:50.680 Thanks for joining me, man.

00:01:51.820 Thanks for having me on, Oren.

00:01:52.740 Always a pleasure.

00:01:54.200 Absolutely.

00:01:54.600 I'm glad that today I can champion a little bit of victory and you can bring the black pills.

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00:02:01.820 I told people I was bringing cold water today.

00:02:04.860 Yeah.

00:02:05.340 So, usually I'm the black pill dispenser.

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00:03:40.820 All right, so we've got a lot of ground to cover here.

00:03:45.360 I guess the main thing that kind of originally had a lot of people's attention was the way that the left reacted to this.

00:03:53.700 But we're going to have to go all the way back to the beginning because I think there's a lot of different facets to this battle,

00:03:59.840 a lot of different factions behind the scene that lead us up to the reaction and the removal of gay.

00:04:06.220 So I guess we can go ahead and start with the events of October 7th.

00:04:12.500 So we have the attack by Hamas in Israel.

00:04:20.540 You see the kind of showdown on the left immediately.

00:04:24.340 There's a factions break apart.

00:04:26.420 We have kind of the pro-Palestinian left, the more insurgent DEI left who has been looking at this oppressor-oppressed narrative for a very long time.

00:04:37.780 They see Israel as a kind of a colonial power, and so they fit it into that framework. 0.54

00:04:44.520 Now, this has clashed with what has been the establishment understanding, I think, of the Democratic Party of the left when it comes to their relationship with Israel.

00:04:53.120 And this starts to break out in college campuses.

00:04:55.920 This conflict quickly goes from just being some kind of regional terrorist attack or a reaction by a state to an attack inside its borders.

00:05:05.980 And instead, this becomes kind of almost a global protest movement.

00:05:09.580 They just had to pull protesters off.

00:05:11.640 I think of like Biden's event here recently, pro-Palestinian protesters.

00:05:16.600 So this is still going on.

00:05:17.960 This energy still exists inside the left.

00:05:20.260 And it makes sense.

00:05:20.860 It's the logical extension, again, of the oppressor-oppressed narrative that has been set up inside the left.

00:05:26.920 But a lot of these colleges panic.

00:05:29.200 And you have a lot of big donors who, many of which are Jewish or have a connection to Israel, feel a loyalty to Israel.

00:05:37.020 And they step in and they say, OK, we have to get rid of this.

00:05:40.380 We have to stop this.

00:05:41.340 One of them is a huge hedge fund manager with a lot of influence who says, I want the names of people who are writing these kind of protest letters, these kind of disagreement papers to places like Harvard.

00:05:55.340 I want their names so I can make sure that none of the companies I invest in or work with ever hire these kind of people.

00:06:00.280 So we saw a very serious reaction from a lot of high-profile people inside what would be elite leftist circles when it came to this split between kind of the pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian response.

00:06:14.180 Yeah, that's definitely the place to start here.

00:06:18.240 And we were discussing before we went live on the air that you really can't discuss this opportunity of attack that came from Rufo or after Claudine Gay without what happened on October 7th.

00:06:28.500 And, of course, the congressional, you know, hearing that was held that Elise Stefaniak from New York had sort of laid into with sort of what felt like very easy rhetorical games to play.

00:06:39.940 Like, well, do you, you know, are you going to just condone what appears to be blatantly, you know, genocidal rhetoric on college campuses?

00:06:46.300 And they were twisting themselves into knots linguistically and rhetorically over it.

00:06:51.240 And it does illustrate the contradictions inside sort of the progressive coalition is that historically, you know, there has been for decades in the United States and college campuses this, you know, sort of privilege plus power type of critical race theory or even just critical theory in general that, you know, there isn't real racism.

00:07:10.860 There isn't real power unless you're the one in charge absolutely doing it to disenfranchised or disempowered groups. 0.92

00:07:16.660 And since October 7th, you know, whether you're pro-Palestinian or your positions on Israel or American foreign policy towards Israel, you know, you've seen protesters go out in a way saying that, you know, you can be on, quote, the right side of history saying, you know, Palestine and other, you know, say races or people of color out in the world.

00:07:37.000 Or you can be on, quote, unquote, or you can be on the white side of history where they've had flags like the United States, Great Britain, France, and then Israel is also listed on those protesters sort of placards and posters.

00:07:48.380 And so they have this narrative wherein they see Israel and they see the Jewish people as white.

00:07:54.620 And, of course, you know, they're doing so has created, of course, this huge form of, you know, dissonance and a lot of conflict inside the leftist coalition.

00:08:03.240 And that's what's really garnered this response is that because a lot of progressives that have been raised in the university system, these college students who are woke activists, future NGO managers, future congressmen and lawyers, these people view it that way.

00:08:18.020 And because they view it that way, we've seen this huge rift that has emerged and Claudine Gay's performance in Congress and having the board stand by them had let this opportunity of attack emerge because, you know, someone like Chris Burnett, who works over at Carlstack, had been talking about the plagiarism issue for quite some time now.

00:08:38.400 But now with the protests and the pressure going on from Bill Ackman and other disaffected donors to endowments and so on has led to where we are today, which, of course, Claudine Gay was stepped down as the president of Harvard.

00:08:55.300 She wrote a very lengthy op-ed, although whether or not she wrote it is totally up for me.

00:08:59.620 It was too good for her to write it, I personally think.

00:09:03.160 I think someone wrote it for her.

00:09:04.720 So better than plagiarism.

00:09:05.940 But, you know, she had made it very clear that this is not just an attack on me.

00:09:10.380 It's an attack on people of color. 0.98

00:09:12.060 It's an attack on all elite institutions.

00:09:14.340 It's an attack on diversity.

00:09:15.700 So this attack on all sort of leftist idols over, you know, progressivism, diversity and inclusion, the exchange of ideas, basically that, you know, a Haitian immigrant like me should be able to contribute to the storied history of Harvard.

00:09:29.860 And, you know, she's been forced to step down. 0.99

00:09:32.500 And the thing is, however, she still works at Harvard.

00:09:35.500 She still works in the African Studies Department.

00:09:37.660 She still works for their Humanities and Political Science Department.

00:09:40.340 She makes $900,000 a year.

00:09:43.000 That money wasn't seized.

00:09:44.480 The endowments haven't been taxed.

00:09:46.240 They haven't been removed.

00:09:47.340 I know you like to tweet about tanks on Harvard Yard.

00:09:49.780 But so far, what we've seen has been a very symbolic sort of victory to wherein, yes, Gay is no longer the president of Harvard.

00:09:59.180 She still works there. 0.95

00:10:00.260 She still makes nearly a million dollars a year. 1.00

00:10:02.580 And we have now triggered a sort of progressive immune response, you know, using very, you know, decades, if not centuries old, you know, fault lines in the progressive coalition.

00:10:15.820 And this is where I think we're at right now.

00:10:18.340 And the big takeaway, I think, is the left reaction to it.

00:10:22.920 You know, this is what I would call the equivalent of a pinprick.

00:10:26.060 Someone, you know, shocked themselves maybe after walking on the carpet for too long and touched someone else.

00:10:30.600 And they're treating it as if they've been, you know, viscerally disemboweled or had a limb amputated when it's really not that big of a deal.

00:10:37.580 And this illustrates sort of the difference in power between the right and the left.

00:10:42.380 This is an asymmetrical conflict.

00:10:44.980 But, you know, to the left, it doesn't matter.

00:10:47.420 Even if you just, you know, got a prick drop of blood to them, you know, this means sound the alarm bells.

00:10:53.660 The Ivy League institutions are under attack.

00:10:56.140 We have to institute a state of exception.

00:10:58.740 And now we're going to be on the war footing.

00:11:00.800 But that war footing is in a complicated position because of the, you know, inter-minority disputes between, say, DEI progressivism, as you call it, versus the mainstream sort of establishment, toe-the-line states of exception that we see for, say, you know, primarily left-leaning Jewish individuals versus, say, the idea that they're part of this settler colonialism white identity that a lot of woke progressives put them under.

00:11:26.420 Yeah, I think there is certainly a surprise for many that there is consequences to the type of immigration policy that had been enacted in the United States and the wider Western world, that there were consequences to the rhetorical stances that had been taken in many of these institutions.

00:11:45.560 And we have to remember that one of the key functions of wokeness is as an inter-elite form of combat.

00:11:55.120 It's a way to cancel people inside the elite.

00:11:59.260 Instead of having a duel, you know, in maybe a more civilized age, instead, you try to outwoke your opponent.

00:12:07.120 And many people felt very comfortable, I think, in kind of their position of power because they felt like there was always kind of this trump card.

00:12:15.960 There was always, like you said, the state of exception that was going to exist in perpetuity.

00:12:19.860 But seeing as certain forms, certain lines of logic had taken power, this oppression or oppression narrative had taken power, there was an eventual conclusion that would be drawn, especially as the percentage of people being imported into the country and being advanced inside places like elite institutions were from places like Palestine or other Islamic countries that would not think favorably of Israel.

00:12:46.560 And would not have the same opinion that the Democratic Party may have originally held on it.

00:12:51.620 And so they certainly put themselves into a very serious situation.

00:12:55.880 And so when you look at what happened, obviously, the original conflict is really about this Israeli-Palestine split inside the leftist coalition and inside their holy of holies, places like Harvard, these elite institutions.

00:13:10.480 The ability of Rufo and others to use plagiarism as a wedge only really arises because of this dynamic.

00:13:20.040 Now, he used it very effectively, right?

00:13:22.520 The constant pressure.

00:13:24.240 And I wrote about this when I wrote about taking castles and the importance of having power pieces like Twitter.

00:13:32.120 Rufo would not have been able to execute the maneuver he did without something like Twitter.

00:13:37.360 And so I think it's critical that we acknowledge the centrality of having a platform like that, having the ability to apply pressure like that.

00:13:45.620 But also, this fault line only existed because of really inter-leftist warfare.

00:13:51.240 And that also allowed him to apply pressure because he also got help from places like Bill Ackman, who is, again, someone who's pretty progressive.

00:14:02.540 He's, you know, he's somebody who has advanced those causes on a regular basis.

00:14:07.520 He is angry because of the way that this, you know, Palestinian support started showing itself in these elite institutions.

00:14:16.100 And then he decided to increase that pressure as his own wife was targeted.

00:14:22.120 After Rufo brought the plagiarism accusations against Claudine Gay, it was then discovered that Ackman's wife had also some level of plagiarism in her academic work.

00:14:35.940 He decided that it was time to kind of hit the hit kind of the nuclear option.

00:14:39.880 Then he started threatening to go after MIT and find all the plagiarism there.

00:14:44.500 Now, the motivations behind this may not be right wing in general, right?

00:14:51.200 Like, it's very clearly a leftist civil war here.

00:14:55.000 And the right is so not powerful that the most it can do is kind of throw stones on one side or the other, right?

00:15:02.960 However, I do think it's interesting because this war could discredit these major institutions in general.

00:15:11.180 And even if the motivation to do that is not one of, you know, the best intentions, the simple fact that this is an option, I think, is important.

00:15:21.520 I think you're right to say this may not be the win that many people have treated it as.

00:15:27.740 But I do think it does matter that these institutions are basically committed to destroying themselves, that the different factions inside are now pointing.

00:15:37.280 They're pointing the guns inward here at kind of core institutions that hold their power together.

00:15:44.260 And that really threatens some of the key pillars of the regime.

00:15:47.920 Well, I guess it will have to come down to only time will tell in this instance.

00:15:53.560 I mean, if Bill Ackman had put out a Twitter post earlier, which was basically just a very glorified, lengthy essay on January 3rd, got 35 million views.

00:16:04.320 It was a particularly interesting read, basically discussing how, you know, DEI not only just affects Jews, but it also affects whites.

00:16:14.160 And, you know, to say that, you know, if we were to basically he had said the law, I'll just quote it.

00:16:18.800 He says, you can say things about white people today in universities and business or otherwise, that if you switch the word white to black, the consequences would be costly and severe.

00:16:26.240 And, you know, these are things that you might have heard being said on on maybe conservative or right wing Twitter, you know, five or six or even eight years ago, if not even earlier than that.

00:16:35.180 And to me, I'm beginning to see sort of the ideological mugging take place where, you know, things that had not affected me are now beginning to affect me that I'm also noticing have affected other people as well.

00:16:49.820 But certainly after he says these things, he goes back to Martin Luther King, you know, famous plagiarist like Claudine Gay and famous philanderer and communist, you know, where he talks about not being being judged by the content of our character rather than the color of our skin.

00:17:04.500 Very similar sort of conservative talking points that, you know, you and I have discussed when sort of looking at the dark enlightenment by Nick Land, that people use Martin Luther King Jr.

00:17:15.940 as their sort of go to for what they see to be the race blind approach to the world.

00:17:20.840 But as we can tell about things that are secular or have political ideology, you know, people are going to believe in something.

00:17:27.280 People are going to be motivated by a political formula that motivates them to act a certain way that they do.

00:17:32.480 And I think this is why looking at, you know, Claudine Gay's op-ed or seeing how the left has reacted to this, that, you know, it's the same thing we see in other parts of the Western world, especially in the Anglosphere,

00:17:44.780 is that when there are inter-elite or inter-minority competitions inside of the progressive coalition,

00:17:51.000 the knee-jerk reaction is to typically reassert and re-aim the cannon barrel back towards the white majority that tends to vote conservative or vote for Trump or whatever.

00:18:03.460 And I think that this is what they're trying to do in the meantime.

00:18:06.200 I mean, it's certainly what Dr. Gay's, you know, op-ed in the New York Times is definitely oriented about.

00:18:12.140 We've seen a lot of leftists go about it this way.

00:18:15.000 And at the same time, they're just trying to paint, you know, a man who believes in colorblind liberalism,

00:18:21.060 Chris Ruffo, you know, as this like Machiavellian evil right-winger who's just like the next Herman Goring or something,

00:18:27.000 when he's just openly saying, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, and trying to frame himself as sort of a conservative, you know, Alinsky type.

00:18:37.440 And we're trying to see how much of that actually works.

00:18:41.180 And right now, he's gotten a very symbolic victory.

00:18:45.280 The question becomes, will he seize that momentum and start aiming it at actual damage to these institutions,

00:18:52.840 like their endowments, like their personnel, like their hiring practices?

00:18:57.000 Or instead, are we going to be witnessing, as you had pointed out, very much from the sidelines, because the right has no power?

00:19:03.800 Are we going to be living in a world where we're seeing sort of the reemergence of neoconservatism

00:19:11.060 and trying to co-opt more, say, radical conservative elements with people like Bill Ackman,

00:19:16.880 who remind me very much of Dave Rubin, where, you know, his long essay post here on Twitter was sort of the left-left-me type deal.

00:19:26.020 Now, that's, you know, that's happened before with a lot of people, but at the same time, we've also, you know, he's made it personal, right,

00:19:33.540 because someone went after his wife.

00:19:34.900 And, I mean, a man should always defend himself and his wife's honor when it comes to these sort of things, which is good.

00:19:39.400 But, again, we're witnessing from the sidelines, I think, a sort of reemergent neoconservatism,

00:19:46.240 as we had saw 60 years ago in the midst of the civil rights movement.

00:19:49.800 A new radical ideology was taking over from mainstream progressivism 60 years ago,

00:19:54.760 and now we're seeing the same kind of left-wing interfighting between, say, as you call it, DEI progressivism

00:20:00.960 versus the standard-bearing line of, you know, liberalism or leftism as we knew it maybe 20 years ago.

00:20:07.800 And this is where we're at today, is that the Great Awakening from, you know, 10, 15 years ago

00:20:13.340 is coming home to roost back in the very institutions that birthed it.

00:20:17.180 And now people are witnessing that they're being hoisted by their own political, rhetorical, and pedagogical petards,

00:20:23.800 and they're trying to respond to it.

00:20:26.220 And Rufo has given them sort of the energy and the avenue to respond in kind.

00:20:31.720 The question just becomes, what happens next?

00:20:34.220 And for me, I just, I do not see this as the victory that many people are calling it on Twitter.

00:20:39.240 To me, it's a very interesting reemergence of sort of Norman Potterette-style neoconservatism.

00:20:45.440 Yeah, it is, I think, very frustrating, and rightly so, for people who watched the progressive movement

00:20:53.460 back every aspect of this, watched the kind of DEI insurgency, the Great Awakening,

00:21:00.180 into all of these different institutions, watched a very vicious and still something, you know,

00:21:08.680 something that's consistently supported by corporate America and basically every American institution,

00:21:13.060 which is the singling of whites out as the problem, as the issue, as you're allowed to say things,

00:21:19.300 as Ackman has now suddenly discovered about white people that you can't say about anyone else,

00:21:24.020 that if you selected for employees the way that corporations do,

00:21:29.140 if you selected for admissions the way that Harvard and other universities do,

00:21:37.040 if you, you know, gave these long speeches about the evils of any other race, of any other, you know, 0.98

00:21:43.940 ethnic background, the way that they do for people of European descent, then this would be horrible, right? 1.00

00:21:49.620 That this would be the end of your career, this would be your absolute destruction,

00:21:53.280 legally, morally, publicly, in every way you can imagine.

00:21:56.340 And a lot of people are understandably frustrated. It's like, why did this have to,

00:22:01.260 why did this not matter until it attacked, you know, it was connected to an attack on Israel?

00:22:06.220 Why did this not matter until it was Jewish students or Jewish donors or Jewish alumni who were feeling the heat?

00:22:13.200 You know, professors, those kind of things.

00:22:14.720 Like, why is that what had to advance this fall?

00:22:18.400 And I understand that. That makes perfect sense.

00:22:21.200 And the fact, again, that this is part of this inter-leftist civil war

00:22:27.560 and not really its own kind of force brought from the right to stop this kind of behavior says a lot, to be sure.

00:22:37.300 But I think it does matter that those things are in conversation, right?

00:22:42.740 I think that guys like you and me have seen this tune way too many times.

00:22:48.000 And it's really easy to be extremely skeptical, and you should be.

00:22:51.960 I think there's a healthy skepticism that comes with seeing this sudden discovery that the left has left me.

00:22:58.640 And, oh, you know, Bill Ackman just learned that journalists are evil and will destroy anyone who disagrees with them.

00:23:04.760 And they just learned that the left will turn on you at a dime if they think that you're an oppressor,

00:23:09.800 that they can somehow fit that narrative on you.

00:23:12.020 And all of a sudden, he's seen the light on certain issues.

00:23:14.340 And I think everyone is right to be pushing back against this.

00:23:18.580 Who's pushing back against this?

00:23:20.640 Peachy Keenan on Twitter pointed out that Ackman is still donating vast sums of money to very leftist organizations

00:23:29.660 that preach exactly the kind of ideology that he suddenly learned may be against him.

00:23:35.120 And so I think there's a very, very good skepticism.

00:23:39.980 I've written multiple pieces on the neocon cycle and how conservatives seek these newly converted leftists out

00:23:49.020 and hand them power and hand them prestige because they are the closest thing to the regime.

00:23:54.440 And therefore, they still have the smell of the regime on them.

00:23:57.260 They still have kind of the elevated position of authority and status conferred onto them by their proximity to high spaces in the regime.

00:24:08.060 They seek these people out.

00:24:09.080 They incorporate them in.

00:24:10.160 They make them leaders.

00:24:11.420 And all of a sudden, they can't believe that they're fighting for the same thing that the left was fighting for 20 years ago.

00:24:16.560 So we've seen this cycle before.

00:24:18.480 I think everyone involved should be careful with handing leadership to any of these people or completely embracing this as an unqualified victory.

00:24:27.860 However, like you said, that is allowing these conversations.

00:24:31.200 That is allowing a focus of certain attention on certain issues.

00:24:36.760 And importantly, I think it also allows the training of some political battle.

00:24:42.720 You know, you don't have generals unless you have experienced colonels.

00:24:46.940 And you don't have experienced colonels unless you have experienced lieutenants.

00:24:50.560 And you're not going to win the whole thing in just one political battle.

00:24:54.360 And so even if this is not the coup de grace, even if this is not the ultimate victory over Harvard,

00:25:00.680 I think there is a value in learning how to fight these skirmishes before you need to go into a larger protracted political battle.

00:25:10.420 Yeah, I'm really glad that you had brought up your your neocon cycle piece. 0.84

00:25:16.040 It's probably one of your best ones out there to sort of explain how this works.

00:25:19.560 And it does illustrate, I think, this desperate desire to be seen as acceptable or wanted by, you know, maybe disaffected regime personnel or elites that, you know,

00:25:31.020 the lesson that should be learned from out of all of that is, is that if you're on the right or if you're a conservative,

00:25:35.440 if you're someone out there, you're going to probably be alone less you surrender whatever kind of sovereignty that you have.

00:25:43.160 I mean, we saw this when sort of neoconservatism got popular 60 and 50 years ago was is that, you know,

00:25:49.080 people that were disaffected over, say, like the civil rights regime or America's foreign policy in the Middle East,

00:25:54.000 the people that were initially, you know, interested in trying to change the course of America, the old right, 0.93

00:26:00.360 had found themselves in this sort of new Buckleyite sort of conservatism where whatever the majority of the nation at the time,

00:26:07.840 demographically speaking, had lost sovereignty and became dispossessed in the search for these allies and elites.

00:26:13.640 Conservatives are going to be alone in a lot of these issues, lest you constantly cater to the needs of others.

00:26:19.020 And when you do so, you lose out on any sort of political capital or interest to keep that coalition going.

00:26:25.320 I mean, we've seen this so rapidly over the course of the last 20 years, especially.

00:26:30.660 I mean, to a point where 20 years ago, you know, conservatives and Democrats would agree on what a marriage is.

00:26:36.000 And now, you know, we see mainstream conservative outlets congratulate, you know, quote unquote,

00:26:41.260 surrogacy or having children from couples like Dave Rubin and the like.

00:26:45.020 And it does illustrate how fast you lose your own principles, your morals and your sovereignty over the political issues that you care about.

00:26:52.820 Now, I do agree with you. Yes, this is an opportunity for people to get some political experience in terms of activism or in terms of,

00:26:59.040 you know, trying to conduct political asymmetrical warfare, because, I mean, that is what we are.

00:27:05.120 We don't have we don't have billions of dollars. We don't have the media. We don't have the state.

00:27:08.540 You know, the difference between Dark Maga and Dark Brandon, for example, is that Dark Brandon has no problem throwing you in jail

00:27:15.460 and arresting you, you know, without any really due process, whereas, you know, Dark Maga can be some really cool edits on Twitter.com.

00:27:23.360 That's just the way that things go right now.

00:27:25.680 The real thing I think that will going forward from this is that, you know, can this experience be used

00:27:31.060 for causes that either disrupt the neoconservative cycle or, at the very least, can help destabilize other institutions?

00:27:40.740 Because, again, this is nothing more than a pinprick.

00:27:43.000 You know, Claudine Gay going down is like toppling one statue, but a million other statues still exist.

00:27:49.220 And you haven't taken or defenestrated anybody from like, you know, the Congress or whatever.

00:27:54.600 And to me, that's a really big deal to look at in this situation is that can this experience be utilized elsewhere?

00:28:02.280 I think the idea of using plagiarism to expose problems like the competency crisis, the replication crisis,

00:28:09.240 and just how much of our money, tax dollars, is wasted on these institutions, on these ridiculous grants and money and classes is a good thing.

00:28:18.960 I mean, it would take maybe five guys with weaponized autism and large language learning models to start going through every major publication that has been published in science or any other journal

00:28:29.280 and recognize that most of the most prestigious scientists, social scientists, et cetera, that we use as talking heads for the next COVID, the next political issue,

00:28:38.260 the same people that had studies saying, you know, actually protesting for Black Lives Matter reduced your transmission of COVID.

00:28:44.440 You know, exposing these people as plagiarism fraud is a very good avenue of attack that they should pursue.

00:28:49.860 The real thing that I think that needs to be looked at is can that momentum be seized?

00:28:54.700 Because if not, you're going to see this kind of feuding between people like Chris Ruffo and Curtis Yarvin happen ad infinitum and ad nauseum until, again,

00:29:03.580 whatever momentum was there has been fizzled and dried up like a puddle in a, you know, baking bat of asphalt at 105 degrees.

00:29:10.580 It won't go anywhere.

00:29:12.140 So you've always been picky about your produce.

00:29:14.960 But now you find yourself checking every label to make sure it's Canadian.

00:29:18.900 So be it.

00:29:20.000 At Sobeys, we always pick guaranteed fresh Canadian produce first.

00:29:24.260 Restrictions apply.

00:29:25.220 See in-store or online for details.

00:29:29.600 Yeah, I think that the ability to discredit is really key.

00:29:35.920 And of course, this is the big debate, right?

00:29:38.080 This is the big debate between someone like Yarvin and Ruffo.

00:29:41.280 Ruffo believes that you can be a right-wing Alinskyite, right?

00:29:44.180 You can use these tactics.

00:29:45.700 You can hold these institutions accountable to their own standards.

00:29:49.320 You can freeze the target.

00:29:50.960 You can do everything that Alinsky said, but you can do it from the right.

00:29:55.800 Yarvin does not think that that's the case.

00:29:57.680 And I think there's a little more nuance here, right?

00:30:01.500 I think Ruffo's tactic works when it comes to disassembly, right?

00:30:06.040 Because that's what those tactics are for.

00:30:09.780 They are for destroying established causes.

00:30:13.020 They are for dismantling the kind of institutions, the kind of standards, the kind of mythos that currently surrounds places like Harvard.

00:30:21.700 Harvard isn't just some random place.

00:30:24.340 It's up there with the New York Times as critical organs of our kind of distributed theocratic oligarchy, right?

00:30:34.280 This is where the ideology is created.

00:30:38.040 And the fact that there was already a kind of internecine warfare occurring inside that institution kind of shows you some difficulty.

00:30:46.220 I mean, we don't have to like this, but it's true.

00:30:48.900 Almost all major powers are kind of destroyed from within, right?

00:30:54.520 They're destroyed by themselves.

00:30:56.420 And so we're probably not going to, in and of ourselves, get rid of the credibility of Harvard.

00:31:02.420 However, the fact that these two factions are willing to go to war and they're willing to tear each other apart by also dismantling each other's credibility and throwing the kind of credibility of the institution into the fire is important.

00:31:20.160 And if we can aid or accelerate certain parts of that, then that's useful.

00:31:25.160 But like you said, you have to be willing to, you have to know what's happening there.

00:31:29.100 What role is being played, right?

00:31:30.740 Rufo, like you said, he did not secure this victory on his own.

00:31:35.800 Like this victory exists because this conflict is already ongoing inside the left.

00:31:41.200 And he can simply leverage that in a certain way.

00:31:45.580 So can you build a lasting victory over what, through what Rufo is doing?

00:31:51.180 I don't think you can.

00:31:52.480 I think that that is like, especially as you pointed out, when gay is just going back to a 900K salary, right? 0.99

00:32:00.680 This is not somebody who's out on the street.

00:32:03.600 You know, when conservatives are canceled, when conservatives lose their job, when conservatives enter into a battle of this magnitude and they lose, they're devastated.

00:32:14.580 They're toast, right?

00:32:15.560 They're not going to be able to make a living.

00:32:17.420 They're not going to get hired anywhere.

00:32:18.740 Where the victory is total and complete and destructive. 0.97

00:32:22.380 For gay, this is just a minor setback.

00:32:24.700 She'll probably be, you know, in some other leadership position in a few years once people aren't looking anymore, once people aren't focused or once this story is no longer the key thing that leftists are feuding over inside their organization. 1.00

00:32:38.060 But in the meantime, if you can get them to kind of shred their credibility, that's very valuable.

00:32:44.780 We saw, you know, once Chris Rufo won this, places like the EAP talking about the horrible history of scalping and how white colonialists use scalping as a major tactic.

00:32:58.820 And so Rufo is just adopting the white colonialist tactic of scalping.

00:33:06.060 So when you have those kinds of ridiculous meltdowns, I think there is some value in these organizations knowing they can bleed and being willing to rip each other apart over this.

00:33:16.720 But I do think that Yarvin's critique of, you know, the fact that this is only a kind of a semi-victory in his piece, he says specifically, it's not that this is a bad thing itself.

00:33:31.860 It's, you know, it's getting high over a win like this.

00:33:35.280 It's treating a small victory like this as if it's a complete toppling of the system.

00:33:41.600 Because it most certainly is not that.

00:33:43.760 The left is still in charge of these institutions.

00:33:45.740 These institutions still rule the roost.

00:33:48.360 And conservatives, they're not going to be putting Chris Rufo in as the president or anything.

00:33:54.360 They're just going to replace Paddingue with a slightly more doctrinaire leftist, probably one from the winning faction of the Civil War.

00:34:01.560 And then they're going to move on.

00:34:03.260 No conservative will be sitting in any positions of power after this.

00:34:06.360 Yeah, and it looks like they've already done that with whoever the, with Dr. Barber, the currently acting president of Harvard.

00:34:14.240 It certainly looks like that as it is.

00:34:15.660 And yeah, that's the big critique is that, you know, victory, either you're engaging in some kind of total war scenario where like your objective is to wear the enemy down, to destroy their institutions and to do it.

00:34:28.540 The difference is, of course, between, say, like the asymmetrical warfare that we're witnessing versus, say, like a, you know, a parody type event is, is that there is a huge disparity in power.

00:34:39.320 Rufo or any sort of moderate race blind, let's go back to just how things were prior to the Great Awakening, they are vastly outnumbered, outfunded, outgunned. 1.00

00:34:48.560 Now, I mean, it's, you know, good to have someone like Bill Ackman or the Pershing Fund in your, in your back pocket to help keep this attack going.

00:34:55.640 The difference can be is, is that even if you were to go back to sort of that system, the legal American infrastructure has already adopted for it.

00:35:05.980 We've seen the radical expansion of disparate impact doctrine.

00:35:09.240 We, we still have, you know, the, the cases with regarding Bostwick, we've seen this with regarding, you know, race as well as gender identity being part of sort of the greater civil rights regime.

00:35:21.320 And, you know, if you're still citing Martin Luther King Jr.

00:35:23.560 And you're still citing like the idea of that we can have things just based on the content of our character, not, you know, race or anything like that, you're still going to be called a racist.

00:35:32.160 And you're still going to be sued under these, you know, under the sort of grand jurisprudential infrastructure, right?

00:35:39.920 I mean, this is the question about pressuring, you know, to examine what, what, what is the, what's the root cause of this, right?

00:35:45.960 Like we, we've both seen the meme from the good old boys that you can have a 5,000 point plan to destroy wokeness.

00:35:51.460 But unless you're willing to destroy, you know, disparate impact and the very blatant degree of anarcho-tyranny when it comes to race in this country, which comes really from the sort of civil rights regime, good luck even trying to go back to the 1990s or to a pre-woke era when it comes to being race blind in our selections or, or meritocracy.

00:36:12.100 Because, you know, we also don't have the demographics of 20 to 30 years ago.

00:36:16.360 We don't have the, the judges or the political ideologies of 30 years ago.

00:36:20.940 And at very best, you're witnessing a very late rear guard action against something that has already taken over the institutions 60 to 70 years ago.

00:36:29.580 I mean, this is what Helen Andrews over the American conservative talks about.

00:36:33.600 You know, it's not really so much ideology as it is that we have totally replaced the pedagogy, demographics, and funding mechanisms of what these old institutions used to be.

00:36:44.180 And that was half a century ago, if not more.

00:36:46.680 So we're, we're in a position now where, yeah, you can get a pinprick out, but, you know, that $900,000 salary isn't being seized.

00:36:54.960 That's going to say, you know, Chris Rufo's projects in Florida, but also this symbolic victory isn't giving any examples for what you could do at a local level.

00:37:04.660 A good example of what's being done at the local level would be Oklahoma, Oklahoma's governor, Stitt, basically banning from the state university system, any sort of diversity, equity, and inclusion office.

00:37:15.000 And that could go further as well, considering what powers the governor actually has.

00:37:19.420 And that, that's a big deal here.

00:37:22.400 And the debate at the end of the day is going to be between sort of the disaffected, the left, left me types who want to reform the institutions, and then those who are far more on the right that recognize these institutions need to be raised to the ground.

00:37:37.880 Because if you, it's like the age-old story about revenge, right?

00:37:41.620 Like, oh, we spare the son.

00:37:43.280 Well, now the son is going to spend the rest of his, like, young adult life training to get revenge on his father.

00:37:47.980 And if we, you know, oh, we take down Harvard, okay, great, that means MIT or someone else who survived this Harvard attack is now going to train to make sure that Rufo is taken out or that Bill Ackman is, you know, defenestrated publicly or something like that.

00:38:02.600 And I think that that's a really important thing to consider here is that on international relations, for example, to sort of provide an allegory to this, you have what are called hegemonic states versus revisionist states.

00:38:14.480 Hegemonic states like the status quo.

00:38:17.140 They want to keep it as is.

00:38:19.020 Revisionist states want to usurp power, change the international paradigm, and do it how it is. 0.95

00:38:23.360 So the United States is a hegemonic power versus, like, China, which can be seen as a revisionist state.

00:38:29.100 You know, the question is, is like, well, are you a revisionist or do you want to, like, keep the hegemon as it is with some slight changes in reform to maintain power?

00:38:36.840 And until, you know, these guys determine what they are, reformers, you know, revisionists, or they want to just keep the status quo with some slight tweaks, you know, these kind of things are going to keep happening.

00:38:48.320 And, again, these are just byproducts of so many other issues in America, whether it be unfettered immigration, the complete control of ideology in the country, which is leaning towards the left, the complete demographic replacement of what used to be America's elites.

00:39:05.160 Until those things get addressed, you know, these Harvard problems are going to continue, and the old sort of neoconservative establishment is going to try and restart that cycle the next time they feel that their group is being attacked.

00:39:18.760 And, unfortunately, you have said it yourself, the woke isn't being put away anytime soon.

00:39:23.700 So we're going to see more flashpoints like this happen as other universities try and react to the fact that, you know, wokeism, this DEI progressivism, this oppressor versus oppressed narrative, you know, as long as they keep including Israel and the Jewish state a part of that, then we're going to see more Harvard flashpoints happen.

00:39:42.560 The question just becomes, we're going to just see more free speech be clamped down, we're going to see universities try and carve out a special exception, but that's not going to stop the inter-minority fights on the left coalition from doing what they usually do, which is reorienting their rifles and cannons back to the majority population, which is predominantly white flyover America that has already been systematically excluded from elite institutions, the media, government, press for decades. 0.58

00:40:12.040 And that's where I think that's where I think that when the dust settles, we might see that very much likely be the case.

00:40:18.100 I think that there is a very real fault line, like you said, kind of between those that understand that what is necessary is the disillusion of these institutions and not simply their reform and those who think that they simply need to make a few tweaks, right?

00:40:36.440 That that's going to be the huge dividing line.

00:40:39.960 The reason I'm a little hopeful about this particular scenario is that whether Ackman, I don't think for a moment, I don't believe for a minute, the guys like Ackman would actually want to get rid of academia.

00:40:52.060 His wife is an academic, right?

00:40:53.460 They support this institution in theory, but with the fervor that they feel to stop what they think is like a loss of power inside the leftist coalition,

00:41:04.800 the response that the response that they have is actually picking away at the very fabric, the very core of the institution.

00:41:12.580 If you can prove, if you can show that there's a huge plagiarism crisis inside academia, if you can discredit this, if you can have academics sniping at each other, different parts of the left going after each other's academic work.

00:41:29.820 This is basically like getting two factions of a religious group to go to war over what their book, their religious book says, right?

00:41:38.620 Like that you're creating a scenario where the coalition cannot really be held together.

00:41:45.280 The institutions that are central to the coalition and to the perpetuation of its message and the projection of its narrative power can't really survive if they're kind of directly firing at the ground under which they stand.

00:42:00.020 Now, it's entirely possible that this blows over, that they redirect this energy, like you said, and it doesn't go this direction.

00:42:09.720 But there is a possibility that in their fervor to kind of fight for superiority inside of these institutions, the different factions of the left actually just hollow out the ground they're standing under, which is kind of the infallibility of these institutions.

00:42:25.840 Harvard isn't, as we both know, Harvard isn't actually about an education.

00:42:30.020 Harvard is about a status symbol.

00:42:32.020 Harvard is about connections.

00:42:34.180 Harvard is about getting the rubber stamp of the ruling class and saying, you're one of us.

00:42:38.700 You can be one of us too, right?

00:42:40.140 While they've been doing this, they went after, for instance, what part of their meltdown was going after Chris Rufo's Harvard degree, because apparently it was part of the Harvard extension branch.

00:42:52.880 And that's just one of the degree mills that many of these higher institutions run so they can pad their pocketbooks.

00:42:58.620 And so you have a bunch of Harvard professors or Harvard alumni going on about how unprestigious Harvard degrees actually are, explaining that really, basically like half the degrees we hand out are meaningless and you shouldn't even rank these people among our standing.

00:43:14.840 That's the kind of stuff that wounds the credibility of an institution when you have the people who are supposed to be your priests actually saying, well, really, half of this stuff doesn't matter.

00:43:26.220 And we just do it for profit and you should completely, you know, not look at Rufo with any kind of validity because he happens to have his degree from this section of Harvard and not the right section of Harvard.

00:43:38.180 Again, attacking the academic credibility, attacking the plagiarism, attacking those places as degree mills, you suddenly realize that these places are kind of eating themselves alive so that these factions can figure out who's going to rule over the ashes.

00:43:55.220 And I think that is the most interesting development that comes out of this.

00:43:58.100 It's not even really, you know, gays stepping down.

00:44:03.140 It's not really the displacement of any particular elite.

00:44:06.260 It's the willingness of these two sides to just cut at the core and then the foundation about what makes these institutions important and what kind of mystifies the public about these.

00:44:18.360 I mean, don't get me wrong.

00:44:19.220 They'll still have power after this is done.

00:44:21.180 Harvard can completely abolish the foundation of its kind of spiritual power and still wield power for a while.

00:44:29.960 But once you're running on kind of pure authority, once you're kind of running on, you don't have any of the founding myth anymore.

00:44:36.160 You don't have any of the political formula.

00:44:37.660 You're just standing on kind of the fact that, well, rich people pay us to get in here so that some at some point they can get paid more money and be part of the ruling elite.

00:44:46.640 You can only have that for so long.

00:44:49.160 When you no longer have that noble lie standing under institutions like Harvard, eventually they fall down.

00:44:55.800 And I think that's kind of where the real victory is, even if that isn't what maybe, you know, Rufo is celebrating or what other parts of kind of this current victorious coalition of neoconservatism are celebrating about this particular win.

00:45:11.580 I mean, I think that could be an effect.

00:45:15.200 You know, I'm reminded of that clip with like Jim Carrey.

00:45:18.220 I think it's in Dumber Dumber where you're like, are you serious?

00:45:20.600 So you're saying there's still a chance, you know, and not no.

00:45:24.780 I mean, there's a there is a chance.

00:45:26.200 I don't mean to be a complete, you know, Debbie Downer for this entire episode here or.

00:45:30.880 But to me, I what I.

00:45:33.260 Sure, you can totally destroy the the the credibility.

00:45:37.120 And I mean, I feel like the last several years have done a great job at destroying that credibility, increasing polarization, divisiveness and the decrease in public trust and institutions, both on the left and the right.

00:45:48.060 But as you and I both know, politics is about rewarding friends and punishing enemies.

00:45:52.300 It does not matter that right wingers or conservatives or even disaffected liberals look at Harvard and they're like, whoa, I don't want to, you know, go take my son there anymore, especially if I'm, you know, if I if I'm Jewish or if I'm white, I wouldn't definitely want to take my kid to Harvard.

00:46:06.980 Seems like a very hostile place for my kid to get an education.

00:46:09.300 They'll come out hating me.

00:46:10.360 Like, that's a terrible idea.

00:46:11.320 The problem is, is that for aspirational foreign students or people who just got off the boat or people whose parents want to send them off to be the next sort of like Joaquin Castro type.

00:46:22.140 Yeah, I'm definitely going to send my son to Harvard.

00:46:24.280 I definitely want him to be connected with other progressive elites that are going to radically transform the country like Barack Obama promised and did as he was as president.

00:46:32.920 Those are the things that I think are important for us to consider here is, is that, listen, unless you radically gatekeep and tell these people, no, we're not going to bring progressives in anymore or we're going to do this.

00:46:47.500 But, you know, it's again, the cycle continues and it's the same thing that we've seen from what Rufo has written about.

00:46:53.660 This goes back to what Yarvin was critiquing him about.

00:46:56.160 You know, if you're going to use the last generation's batch of leftists to attack the newest institution, you know, you're just a different type of, you know, Leninist trying to, you know, come, you know, come up with some sort of plan to take over the institution or to do so.

00:47:11.120 And to me, that is an issue that needs to be addressed here is that, yeah, the inter-seen fighting can happen.

00:47:17.220 This little civil war can take place.

00:47:19.880 The big question at the end of the day, and you already had said it yourself, is that they're still going to have power.

00:47:24.540 How much power they have, I don't know.

00:47:26.940 But they're still going to have enough where people will want to take their kids to Harvard if they are aspirational progressives that want to run for Congress, be attorneys, run a non-governmental organization that facilitates social change and the like.

00:47:40.540 I'm just not seeing the potential for a win in the way that we're going to do so.

00:47:45.420 I mean, like, not to throw your tweets back at you, right?

00:47:48.580 But like the tanks on Harvard Yard thing would be a really great, you know, not literally, although one can dream.

00:47:54.800 You want to find a way where they don't have the financial capability to fund the racket that they've been a part of for the last 70 years.

00:48:02.760 And until we're in a position that they are defunded, all that we're going to do, like we said at the beginning of this episode, is look from the sidelines and throw stones at whoever we don't like the most.

00:48:15.140 And I'm okay throwing stones.

00:48:16.700 I don't live in a glass house.

00:48:18.400 They do.

00:48:18.980 The problem is they don't mind living in a glass house that's full of cracks or holes because at the end of the day, they can just hire or import 50 million more people to go fix the glass and we can't.

00:48:30.080 And that power asymmetry is the big deal here.

00:48:33.540 How do we learn to fight a political, a cold political asymmetric conflict?

00:48:39.800 And right now I'm not seeing that being waged on a level that would be beneficial to us.

00:48:46.660 And if not, all that we're going to do, as I said earlier, is the reemergence of neoconservatism, the Norman Potter style, you know, disaffectation and dissatisfaction with the current civil rights regime that now includes wokeness, disparate impact, all this, you know, you know, a lot of progressives, new Jews as white. 0.90

00:49:06.100 Like we're, we're going to see a repeat of what we did in the 1960s.

00:49:09.520 And there are four things that allowed this to happen.

00:49:12.000 As we mentioned at the beginning, the October 7th attack, the entire progressive machine evolving to incorporate these people as white. 0.99

00:49:19.220 Chris Ruffo seizing that momentum and working with other disaffected, wealthy donors to do this.

00:49:24.900 And then to some extent, Dr. Claudian Gay being black.

00:49:28.160 Those are the four main things that really did allow this to be the perfect sort of, you know, boiling pot for this event to take place.

00:49:35.960 The question becomes, will the momentum be seized that actually moves it to destroy the legitimacy, not just in the eyes of the right, but the left?

00:49:44.660 And can we utilize the plagiarism accusations to destroy more of academia?

00:49:50.800 And until then, I think we're going to keep having this debate for the next several months.

00:49:54.840 Yeah, I think that, again, all of the skepticism is well placed, but the real question, you know, is when you don't have power, as you pointed out, when you're not going to have these particular roles, what does a victory look like, right?

00:50:11.740 And I think there's a really valuable point in understanding that this is a small victory, but immediately pushing for more.

00:50:22.200 I mean, this is what the left does in everything, right?

00:50:24.000 They're never happy with a victory.

00:50:25.960 They get somebody fired.

00:50:26.940 They don't care.

00:50:27.500 They want the institution gone next, right?

00:50:29.340 They want everything connected to it destroyed.

00:50:32.320 Like they, they never sit on their laurels and say, okay, well, this is, I am now, you know, dominating this thing.

00:50:39.280 No, it's the next, it's the next, it's the next step.

00:50:41.780 Constantly secure the next hill.

00:50:43.580 This win, you know, if we go back to the, the kind of the, the Yarvin stance, is this a win that creates more power?

00:50:51.220 And I think in this case, the answer is no, it doesn't, right?

00:50:53.860 Because Claudine Gay getting fired doesn't get one more victory for the right in and of itself. 1.00

00:50:59.300 And I want to be clear, I want this to go somewhere.

00:51:02.100 I want this to be a victory.

00:51:03.680 And I do agree with where you're coming from that, you know, that there is something to be learned from this.

00:51:08.380 There is stuff that is beneficial for us to understand because you're, we both agree.

00:51:12.760 And we both have said it more than once so far that we don't have power.

00:51:16.880 So we have to watch from the sidelines or we have to watch with a side that is doing something that is nominally in our favor.

00:51:22.800 The question becomes, you know, if you form a coalition or if you do any of these things, how can you ensure that your interests get a seat at the table?

00:51:33.520 And I think that is a big thing going forward here.

00:51:36.440 I mean, like the last several years have been a very impressive, you know, opening of the Overton window, whether it's Vivek Ramaswamy talking about the great replacement, along with Ben Braddock interviewing him with IM 1776, or the, you know, even Rufo when being pushed by Tucker Carlson about it, saying that like DEI and this other stuff is blatantly anti-white.

00:51:57.000 Those are good things.

00:51:58.160 The question becomes, can those things that are being discussed by these individuals also be incorporated towards this?

00:52:05.880 And I think that there's opportunity to do it.

00:52:08.380 I'm, I'm skeptical that that will take place, but there are things to, to, to learn from this.

00:52:13.280 Because as you had said, and as Jarvin had critiqued, you know, the left is never satisfied with one scalp, which white people didn't invent, Indians did. 0.97

00:52:20.680 We just took it from them and made it better.

00:52:22.960 The problem is, is that, you know, are we going to just look, are we going to rest on our laurels like we do every time there's an election?

00:52:30.740 Like, is this going to just be a political release valve where we're like, yay, we won.

00:52:35.020 And then we ignore things like the deep state, or we ignore the border, or we ignore billions of dollars being wasted in Ukraine, getting hundreds of thousands of people killed.

00:52:42.580 I certainly hope not.

00:52:43.700 And I do want, you know, and I, I know Rufo follows this both, but I, I certainly pray that, you know, in this opportunity of organizing fundraising and attacking that, you know, it's not just Harvard look towards the States.

00:52:57.300 I mean, you know, governor Ron DeSantis, you know, he had done a lot, uh, inside his own state, whether it was about, you know, trying to keep sex ed away from like, you know, grooming teachers away from kids.

00:53:07.480 Why not, you know, ban DEI or like, you know, lesbian dance studies. 1.00

00:53:12.340 That is a, that is in Florida.

00:53:14.340 Yeah, it is in Florida.

00:53:15.120 I mean, like just work with governor DeSantis, do these things.

00:53:17.920 I mean, Greg Abbott from, in Texas could learn from Ron DeSantis, could learn from governor Stitt in Oklahoma.

00:53:23.000 You're in charge of the state institutions for education.

00:53:26.100 Take that money.

00:53:27.140 But we also need to be doing more on our side, I think, to provide competency and to provide, um, avenues for, you know,

00:53:35.280 people who want an education that doesn't just mean you got, went to a degree mill to go work for an NGO.

00:53:41.100 I mean, Hillsdale College is one of the best institutions in America because it still does the classics and it doesn't have obvious academic jokes like Claudine Gay, um, working there or teaching there or being students of that institution.

00:53:54.600 So, I mean, if we were to just cut all of this woke fat off of the decrepit husk of America's academic institutions, that'd be a huge step in the right direction.

00:54:06.100 And I, and I hope that Rufo looks at this victory or look at what he's done and looks towards the state level.

00:54:11.140 Because if you could turn Oklahoma or Florida or Texas or, you know, any major institution in America, like, you know, the University of Chicago and said, no more of this DEI stuff, no more of this progressive nonsense that's anti-white, that's anti-Jewish or whatever.

00:54:25.860 And, you know, this is how we're actually going to do things with much more rigorous standards, you know, whether using LLMs to check for plagiarism, et cetera, that would be a huge step, I think.

00:54:36.040 And there is avenue where, again, opportunities like this, just like how the left uses arguments to create room for power, we can use this to create room for institution building, capital investment and allocation.

00:54:47.260 And like you had said, training those, those captains, those lieutenants, those colonels, those generals to lead effectively against the thing.

00:54:55.220 The question just becomes, is this just for reform or are we going to raise these institutions and make our own from the ground up?

00:55:03.360 And there's room to do both, I think, but it requires some organization and planning and strategic discussion.

00:55:10.480 But I'm on the sidelines.

00:55:11.940 I'm just a frog on the internet.

00:55:13.220 And that's really all I can say at that point.

00:55:16.100 Well, I think it's the raising of the alternatives that's the key.

00:55:19.280 And, you know, Yarvin makes that point.

00:55:20.480 Actually, I wanted to grab Flakjacket's comment here because it was very good.

00:55:25.340 Yeah.

00:55:25.520 Oh.

00:55:26.220 Yeah.

00:55:26.500 No, the commenter.

00:55:28.060 No, we're not under fire yet.

00:55:30.780 Flakjacket says, real victory doesn't look like Harvard dying.

00:55:34.400 Well, we'll disagree about that.

00:55:36.860 But he says, real victory looks like the masses looking to us as a replacement.

00:55:41.000 And that's exactly right.

00:55:42.380 That's why it's too soon.

00:55:44.100 We aren't ready.

00:55:44.840 And I think that's a good insight.

00:55:46.100 I think that's a very good insight.

00:55:47.640 I 100% agree with it.

00:55:49.340 And I mean, this isn't just, I think it was Huntsman on Twitter, Human Map Intel.

00:55:56.820 He works in logistics.

00:55:57.800 And he says, you know, the most critically important demographic to look at right now are a bunch of like mechanically well-trained, competent, like 50-year-old white guys that are just like shaking their head, thinking like, oh, God, this is my replacement.

00:56:09.840 These are the people I have to train. 1.00

00:56:10.840 These are the people I have to train who are morons. 0.99

00:56:11.840 You want that because, I mean, whether it's airline doors falling off, 40% of America's bridges needing to be repaired or that most of college institutions have a doctor, you know, Claudine Gay of their own. 0.99

00:56:24.220 You want to be competent.

00:56:25.680 And that means not just in education, but in business and in training young people and making sure those vocational skills happen.

00:56:35.940 And I don't mean just blue-collar tradesmen stuff.

00:56:38.740 That's a good thing to have as well.

00:56:40.380 But I also mean like airline pilots, things like this.

00:56:44.060 I mean, even if we did get a return to like meritocratic, race-blind liberalism, as we saw when California banned affirmative action, you know, white enrollment went up and African and American and Hispanic enrollment went down.

00:56:57.720 And that Palladium magazine article about the competency crisis is that, listen, you know, diversity does kill, and we have to ensure that if people want to look at us as the, you know, as the replacement to these jokes of institutions, we need to be recruiting, getting the most competent people on board.

00:57:16.120 And this is a point that's been echoed by Rufo, echoed by Jeremy Carl at the Claremont Institute, and has been echoed by anyone who sees the writing on the wall that America's infrastructure, education, and to a large extent, also its military, is falling apart, and we can see it right before our eyes.

00:57:32.000 And we're just openly reporting about it.

00:57:34.040 I mean, you know, when even the military is just like the people who helped build our Minuteman III nuclear missiles, our, you know, most important strategic nuclear deterrent.

00:57:42.320 We don't have the men that can remake them or rebuild them or to function them, to upgrade them for 2023 technology, 2024 technology.

00:57:49.660 That's a huge problem. 0.89

00:57:51.240 And so if we want to talk about regime change or competency, we need people that actually know what they're doing and not talking out of their ass or talking out of, you know, someone else's mouth with plagiarism. 0.96

00:58:03.400 So that is Flakjacket's point. 0.96

00:58:05.400 It's absolutely right.

00:58:06.160 I agree.

00:58:08.280 The arc of history is long, but it bends towards Warhammer 40K.

00:58:11.540 Okay, where we don't know.

00:58:13.060 We have just some of the machine spirits.

00:58:15.020 Just pick a side, you know.

00:58:16.500 Some of the machine spirits so that you can defend yourself in the nuclear apocalypse.

00:58:21.880 All right.

00:58:22.200 So we're going to head over to our questions from the people.

00:58:26.680 But before we do, Prudentialist, where should everyone find your great work?

00:58:30.200 Well, wonderful.

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00:59:40.960 All right.

00:59:41.380 So Michael Robertson here for five dollars.

00:59:44.100 He says, I'm just here for the frog of the week.

00:59:47.680 Here's your frog, good sir.

00:59:49.400 Yes.

00:59:49.660 You are the frog today.

00:59:52.060 Let's see.

00:59:53.520 Creeper Weirdo says, how long until Ernest Jews realize that in order to be themselves, they have to become right wing? 0.97

01:00:01.640 Also rare Dave W.

01:00:05.180 Well, I don't know what that transition is going to look like or if we're going to see another again, another neocon cycle.

01:00:11.560 If we would see people actually learn a lesson.

01:00:14.420 I think so.

01:00:14.900 I think I think the key is always whoever it is, is coming over to the right.

01:00:19.020 The thing you always want to look for is.

01:00:23.040 Do they have a real understanding that they were wrong?

01:00:26.420 Because what happens so often when people make this neocon transition from the left to the right is they say, oh, I have all the same principles.

01:00:34.760 It's the left that's changed.

01:00:36.300 And what they're saying is.

01:00:38.500 I didn't do anything wrong.

01:00:39.960 I was right the whole time and I'm still right.

01:00:42.060 And there's no lesson to learn.

01:00:43.580 I just, you know, the team shifted under me.

01:00:46.460 And so I'm just changing my affiliation.

01:00:49.440 I'm not actually changing any principles.

01:00:51.800 That's a problem.

01:00:52.660 That means that person has not learned anything.

01:00:54.260 That means that they they just think that they were right the whole time and they are going to continue to be right.

01:00:59.740 And they should have leadership positions and power and everything else that goes along with their status.

01:01:04.600 They should just have it in a different party or on a different side of the political aisle.

01:01:08.400 The people that really change are the ones that come to you and say, I was wrong.

01:01:12.400 I was wrong about these things ideologically.

01:01:15.020 I was wrong about these things morally.

01:01:17.660 I now understand the way that these things connect.

01:01:21.860 That's the real thing, right?

01:01:23.060 The way that these different moral principles, these moral visions connect to what I saw becoming a problem inside this movement.

01:01:32.040 And I have changed, you know, because of this.

01:01:34.980 That's that's really the kind of conversion that you're looking for before you kind of understand that someone's actually kind of changed what they're doing and have really made their way over to, say, the conservative or the right word sphere.

01:01:47.620 Yeah, absolutely.

01:01:48.600 I mean, they're there.

01:01:50.060 They have that natural sense of in-group preference, which I think makes a lot of people right wing just by nature.

01:01:55.720 I don't know about the rare Dave W.

01:01:57.500 I don't know what that's.

01:01:58.560 I'm not sure that's connected.

01:02:00.060 Maybe it's conversation with King Crocoduck.

01:02:01.940 I have no idea.

01:02:02.640 But I mean, like you had said, or you want someone who has some genuine contrition when they when they convert.

01:02:09.420 I mean, if not, you know, we already have a million Dave Rubens that are allegedly on the right.

01:02:14.000 I you don't need another one.

01:02:15.820 And until I guess they recognize that maybe my interests and their interests are actually more common than they think.

01:02:23.200 And they're going to give maybe some breathing room to, you know, that political interest of mine, maybe.

01:02:28.580 But until then, only time will tell.

01:02:30.080 I'll go here, says Harvard not going back to its Puritan roots.

01:02:34.780 Forget about the I think that's pretty safe.

01:02:37.160 I said this on I said this on Twitter.

01:02:40.400 And I think I said in an interview at some point as well.

01:02:44.220 I don't want to control Harvard.

01:02:47.060 I mean, that would be nice.

01:02:48.060 Don't get me wrong.

01:02:48.680 But that's not the ultimate goal.

01:02:50.100 My goal is that no one cares what Harvard thinks.

01:02:53.660 That's really what matters.

01:02:56.360 You are not going to see the right retaking Harvard anytime soon.

01:03:00.260 I said that in the in the castle piece.

01:03:02.680 So it's the discrediting of the institutional framework that undergirds the current regime that matters.

01:03:10.380 And so to the extent that Harvard can make itself a joke, the extent where people can view Harvard as kind of the the the degree mill that it is, the the prestige stamp that it is, and not a institution that actually wields any real prowess when it comes to education or those kind of things.

01:03:32.280 That those are victories.

01:03:34.040 I don't think we're going to see, you know, I don't think they're going to be putting any kind of, you know, Ted Cruz isn't going to be running Harvard anytime soon.

01:03:42.080 And so I don't think you should see that as the kind of term of victory.

01:03:47.440 Instead, it's really that that Harvard just no longer matter matters in the long run.

01:03:52.720 That's that's kind of when you'll know you've won.

01:03:54.920 Yeah, when it when it when it's treated like an adult continuing education class or a GED mill, then that's that.

01:04:01.800 That would be a good victory or, you know, like it's just a historical site, you know, saying like this was once Harvard, a place where like Puritan clergymen were trained or something like that.

01:04:11.880 That would be fine.

01:04:12.780 You know, treat it like a memorial.

01:04:13.880 But until then, I would love to see it raised to the ground like the left has raised the William Penn statue, you know, Teddy Roosevelt, the Reconciliation Memorial in Arlington.

01:04:25.580 But until then, you know, a victory will is yet to be achieved.

01:04:29.140 If you go to Oxford, you know, the Central Chapel there, technically there's still services every once in a while.

01:04:35.220 But for the most part, it's just a bunch of university students walking people around and being like, can you believe that people used to like worship here in the middle of Oxford?

01:04:42.980 And when people do that for Harvard, like at some point, they just walk you through Harvard and you're like, can you believe that people used to talk about progressivism and these people actually ruled, you know, the world at some point in this institution?

01:04:54.560 But now we just kind of look at it as quaint that that's when, you know, you've won.

01:04:58.400 It's just there's a tour going through talking about how this used to be a hall of power, but now it's just a symbolic, you know, historical building sitting somewhere off in the Northeast.

01:05:10.040 Creeper Weirdo says a pessimism from from the jaws of optimism.

01:05:14.300 Hey, frog man.

01:05:15.420 Like I said, I appreciate Prudentials coming on today and letting me play the optimist.

01:05:22.120 That was very kind of him.

01:05:22.980 I don't do it often, but, you know, it's funny because I usually say on your show when the left does something crazy, I usually say I'm not surprised.

01:05:30.860 And this is one of those times where I'm kind of surprised to see some optimism on the right.

01:05:36.120 You know, I recall a very famous bald man saying optimism is cowardice.

01:05:40.040 So here we are.

01:05:41.240 Here we are dripping with optimism.

01:05:42.900 Yep.

01:05:44.100 All right.

01:05:44.860 Gabe Underground says there's no real difference between Rufo and and the James Lindy types in the terms of their beliefs.

01:05:51.240 But I'll have to concede that catering to the back to Fresh Prince type like Ackerman is our form of patronage network, sadly.

01:06:00.640 Yeah, there is a little bit of take your W's where you can get them here, right?

01:06:06.140 You wish that that was not the case.

01:06:08.580 But if this is if this is a way that you can drive a wedge, if this is the way that you can kind of wound what look like the impenetrable walls of your enemy and their power, then you kind of kind of take the W there.

01:06:23.260 I do think that Rufo and James Lindsay are different.

01:06:26.520 I think that they they both have a core of classical liberalism, if that's what you mean.

01:06:30.980 But but I do think Rufo is looking for solutions and is willing to engage in solutions that James Lindsay simply is not.

01:06:38.440 Because I think that while Rufo is probably too wed to certain parts of the kind of classical liberal orthodoxy, he is, I think, still right wing in a way.

01:06:51.020 He has the right wing and smell, as Dave the distributist likes to say, in a way that that Lindsay is not.

01:06:57.000 Maybe he is not the terrifying fire breather in that that some of the liberal press would like to make him out to be.

01:07:03.780 But but I don't I don't think that he and James Lindsay are the same animal, but that's.

01:07:08.720 Yeah, I mean, I wish Chris Rufo had the right wing like nastiness that like the establishment press said that he does.

01:07:15.780 But, you know, Chris Rufo is willing to talk to people like me or to Oren, which is a good thing.

01:07:21.260 Whereas James Lindsay is on this like dead horse that says classical liberalism has never been tried.

01:07:27.360 So, I mean, one guy is a well-known new atheist gay activist.

01:07:30.640 The other one at least wants to take out progressive Harvard.

01:07:32.900 So I know which guy I like more than the other.

01:07:35.980 That's right. And Rufo, again, we we've we've talked a lot here, but I want to say he is the most effective conservative political activist out there.

01:07:44.360 You might say, well, that's sad because there should be more effective activists.

01:07:47.560 OK, sure. But he still is.

01:07:49.300 And so you should really understand, you know, when you have somebody who's racking up a lot more W's than you've seen in a long time, there should be something you're paying attention to.

01:07:57.760 That doesn't mean you have to agree with everything.

01:07:58.980 That doesn't mean you have to say that this is enough or this is sufficient, but you should still be noticing there's a reason this guy's winning when other people are.

01:08:06.580 So when you're in this kind of situation, you can't sit around and and just bag on every single possible route to victory.

01:08:14.240 That I think I think that's one thing that Rufo is right on that that Yarvin is not that, you know, that that that constant push towards we can't possibly win anything is self-defeating in a big way.

01:08:27.460 Creeper Weirdo says last one.

01:08:28.920 I'm glad I'm glad that more people have a reason to ask questions.

01:08:32.400 No, not that one.

01:08:34.000 People might think outside of the woke now.

01:08:36.760 Yeah. And that's really what I'm saying is, yes, I understand that a lot of this discussion did not start from the place that many people on the right would wish it had that, you know, there there are certain political realities that people wish didn't have you didn't have to play inside of, I suppose.

01:08:52.580 But at the end of the day, the fact that these conversations are happening, that these institutions are facing the kind of scrutiny that they are, that this warfare is damaging the credibility of the and foundations of some of these institutions is good.

01:09:06.500 I'm not the person who's, oh, all of this will inevitably mean that, you know, the conservative backlash is coming.

01:09:13.140 Like, I'm not that guy. I'm I'm certainly not delusional that those things are inevitable.

01:09:18.040 But again, you got to get a notch those W's where you can.

01:09:20.600 I mean, at the end of the day, right, like the fight is going to be between, as you mentioned, the old left or old classical liberalism versus this.

01:09:29.600 And if you're on the right and, you know, you don't trust him or whatever.

01:09:34.400 I mean, this is what is the right done on the line for the last like eight years that was successful.

01:09:38.540 It was pushing these people for the right word.

01:09:40.560 And that is what needs to happen until, you know, you are tried as a heretic to the right wing orthodoxy.

01:09:46.340 Last, last one. The distributors said religious Jews would eventually move.

01:09:51.580 Right. Well, I mean, that's certainly true for some, not as many as one would hope.

01:09:55.680 And perhaps this event will increase that number.

01:09:58.760 Unfortunately, religious Jews aren't actually the ones that wield the most power in many of these situations inside that coalition in many ways.

01:10:06.480 But, but, you know, obviously, if they learn that lesson, then they realize that, hey, you know, importing a lot of people who think of me as oppressor and want to destroy me is probably a terrible way to run a country.

01:10:19.300 And making sure that they're more prevalent in all of these institutions and, you know, aiming that kind of rhetoric at whites and people of European descent is also immoral.

01:10:28.980 Then great. That's a fantastic lesson for people learned.

01:10:31.520 And I certainly hope that that's one that people gather from all of this.

01:10:36.100 All right, guys. Well, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

01:10:38.540 But once again, thank you to the Prudentialist for coming on.

01:10:41.240 Always a pleasure to have him.

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01:10:46.180 Thank you for joining. And as always, I will talk to you next time.

The Auron MacIntyre Show - January 08, 2024

Leftist Meltdown Over Scalping of Harvard President ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 1⧸8⧸24

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