The Auron MacIntyre Show - Leftist Storm Minnesota Church, Violate Federal Law ｜ Guest： Will Chamberlain ｜ 1⧸19⧸26

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy. The madness in Minnesota continues. The left has been violent. The left has been out of control, but they have now moved on, not just to attacking ICE agents or going outside and protesting, harassing people. They are now storming churches inside of the state.

00:00:24.860 Joining me to discuss this today is Will Chamberlain. He is the senior counsel at the Article 3 Project, along with several other very impressive titles. Will, thank you so much for coming on, man.

00:00:35.540 Thanks for having me.

00:00:37.300 Absolutely. So the very interesting thing about this instance is that it was led by a former CNN news anchor, Don Lemon. And that's very important because it's very clear that the people who walked into this church

00:00:52.440 thought that they were going to have the cover of just being part of the mainstream media. They had an embedded journalist. What could happen to them? They're leftists, right? They can do whatever they want, whenever they want.

00:01:02.800 They're not going to get in trouble. But it does look like the Trump administration is intending to take this very seriously. We're going to walk through several pieces of the footage for people who have not seen it.

00:01:14.780 But what are your initial impressions of the left feeling emboldened enough to walk into a place of worship, shut down the service, hold the pastor hostage as he attempts to lead his flock?

00:01:26.340 Do you think they just they just assume they were immune from everything else that had been allowed to go on kind of the under the auspices of a protest in Minnesota?

00:01:35.900 Yeah, it's it's a weird bit of amateur hour from left wing criminals. Normally, we're used to actually you have to give not to give Antifa you never have to give Antifa anything, but they're usually a bit more sophisticated in how they approach being criminals.

00:01:48.100 They, you know, Antifa people show up in black block masked, and they don't read their phones, and they don't post about post proof of identity so that other people investigators could find them at the location because they know what they're doing is stepping over the bounds of the law.

00:02:02.780 What happened here is a group, I think, of BLM protesters primarily, who had no understanding that what they were doing was in violation of federal law, it obviously was, but they clearly didn't know that.

00:02:13.300 And, you know, the most bizarre thing, or I guess the most predictable thing, rather, is that the leader of this is apparently a civil rights lawyer, and yet she's perfectly unaware that civil rights law federal civil rights law prohibits this conduct in multiple different statutes.

00:02:26.500 So I see this as the closest thing to January 6 that we've seen from the left, and in the sense of why, you know, January 6, in my view, had widespread criminal conduct, right, it was a bunch of people who were breaking federal law when they were running into the Capitol.

00:02:42.020 And it's a bunch of people who didn't realize they were breaking federal law, and I think that's a big part of the reason why so many people were prosecuted so easily.

00:02:49.640 I think that's what's going to happen here.

00:02:50.880 I think that Hermie Dillon and Pam Bondi are about to throw the book at these people.

00:02:55.100 I think my bet, if I were, you know, the most likely outcome is that every single one of these people faces charges under 18 U.S.C. 241, conspiracy against rights.

00:03:04.880 Everybody who showed up and protested, Don Lemon included.

00:03:08.160 Yeah, I think that's absolutely critical because, of course, the impulse here is going to be to avoid charging Don Lemon.

00:03:16.840 Maybe you charge some of the other people, right, but you find some way to say, oh, he's a media figure, he's covering things, you know, because you don't want the bad optics.

00:03:25.320 You don't want the left getting to make him a martyr, say, oh, it's a journalist, he's just out there doing the job, and the Trump administration is throwing journalists in jail for doing their job.

00:03:34.240 But it is very clear, and we'll show this evidence as we roll through the different pieces we've collected here, but it's very clear that Don Lemon knew exactly what he was doing, that he's one of the ringleaders of this thing, that it was endorsed by him and others in social media posts, in footage that is taken, in post-action interviews.

00:03:53.260 He is woven into this action throughout, and so it's critical, I think, that the administration makes it clear that Don Lemon doesn't get some special ability to violate federal law because he happened to show up on CNN at some point.

00:04:06.640 That simply cannot be allowed.

00:04:08.040 So let's play the original footage.

00:04:10.560 This is just what the protesters taped coming in, and then we'll talk about, you know, Lemon and these other clips separately.

00:04:18.920 But this is the main protest as they enter the building.

00:04:28.260 You can see them entering.

00:04:34.440 Screaming to interrupt the service.

00:04:37.300 Basically block the island.

00:04:38.380 Renee Good!

00:04:40.200 Renee Good!

00:04:42.060 Renee Good!

00:04:43.920 Renee Good!

00:04:45.680 Renee Good!

00:04:46.600 It's not just the canton here.

00:04:49.500 This man is also going to go up and harass individual prisoners.

00:04:53.380 Don't shoot!

00:04:54.880 Don't shoot!

00:04:56.360 Don't shoot!

00:04:58.000 Don't shoot!

00:04:59.440 I am.

00:05:00.120 I am.

00:05:00.660 I am.

00:05:00.760 I am.

00:05:01.460 I am.

00:05:01.760 I am.

00:05:02.540 Shame.

00:05:02.760 Shame on you.

00:05:03.700 Where are you?

00:05:04.740 Where are you?

00:05:05.280 Where are you?

00:05:06.140 Where are your people?

00:05:07.020 This is the house of violence.

00:05:07.800 Why are you guys at Wibble every day fighting for the humanity?

00:05:10.740 Standing for our people.

00:05:12.440 Where are you?

00:05:13.300 You drink your coffee.

00:05:14.520 You got your jewelry.

00:05:15.340 You have your nice clothes.

00:05:16.720 But what do you do?

00:05:17.520 What do you do to stand for your Somali and Latino communities?

00:05:20.140 I'm not going to comment.

00:05:20.840 You have no comment.

00:05:21.700 Exactly.

00:05:22.120 Say your name and good.

00:05:25.740 Say your name and good.

00:05:27.660 Say your name and good.

00:05:28.660 Renee Good!

00:05:29.460 Say your name and good.

00:05:30.580 Renee Good!

00:05:31.400 We have freedom!

00:05:32.200 We have a duty to win!

00:05:34.200 We have a duty to win!

00:05:35.400 We have a duty to win!

00:05:36.800 We have a duty to win!

00:05:37.960 We have a duty to win!

00:05:38.580 We must love and support one another!

00:05:40.600 Doing absolutely nothing for your Latino and Somali brothers and sisters.

00:05:44.280 Once again, you can see him getting in the face of all these people screaming.

00:05:47.020 He wants to make sure that he's videoing himself.

00:05:49.180 He wants to make sure that he's videoing himself.

00:05:49.340 Did Jesus profit off the words?

00:05:50.680 No!

00:05:50.980 It's the political pornography of watching himself get down here and harass all these

00:05:55.040 white Christian people.

00:05:56.660 You are a fake Christian. 1.00

00:05:58.200 Why are you not standing with your Somali and Latino communities?

00:06:01.400 Why do I not see you out at Whipple every day protesting this attack on humanity?

00:06:05.300 All right, so we get the general idea.

00:06:08.000 We don't have to play through all of that, but can we talk a little bit about the possible

00:06:13.020 violations that are contained just in this?

00:06:15.480 A lot of people have pointed to the FACE Act.

00:06:18.300 This is an act that famously was used by the Biden administration to go after pro-life

00:06:23.220 protesters, even in many cases where they didn't physically enter a building, but simply

00:06:27.140 the idea that they'd be near an entrance, blocking an entrance is sufficient.

00:06:30.860 How does this apply to churches?

00:06:32.600 How can the Trump administration turn this kind of law around since it's already in place?

00:06:37.840 So the FACE Act is going to be really interesting and sort of it's not clear which way it's going

00:06:43.160 to go.

00:06:43.680 And so part of the reason is that there really haven't been any FACE Act prosecutions until

00:06:48.800 like literally this fall on for people obstructing entrance to churches.

00:06:53.460 Every single prior FACE Act prosecution has been for obstructing entrance to abortion clinics.

00:06:58.160 So it's going to be, it's really, there's a lot of room for judges to interpret what do

00:07:03.320 these words mean?

00:07:04.420 And the logistics of physical obstruction are going to be different for a church than they

00:07:09.000 are for an abortion clinic.

00:07:10.760 You know, if you think about any medical facility, there's usually just one entrance, one exit,

00:07:14.760 and you can shut it down by, and you can physically stop people from entering and exiting much more

00:07:20.680 easily.

00:07:21.000 And that's really what the language in the FACE Act is kind of focused on, this physical

00:07:26.180 obstruction language and the way it's been interpreted to being like, are you preventing

00:07:29.000 ingress and egress out of the building?

00:07:30.920 So I wouldn't say it's like an open and shut case on the FACE Act.

00:07:34.500 I think it's, there's, there's a lot of, there's ambiguity.

00:07:37.580 There's a real question about, well, they're standing in the middle of the church, but people

00:07:41.260 were clearly leaving.

00:07:42.140 So were they obstructing ingress and egress?

00:07:43.920 That's where, there's, there's no questions like that.

00:07:45.840 So, but what I will say is I think there's a slam dunk and I didn't learn, realize this until,

00:07:50.660 having actually done some more research.

00:07:52.980 It's a conspiracy against rights.

00:07:54.480 18 U.S.C. 241, the Ku Klux Klan Act.

00:07:56.580 That's why you saw Harmeet flag that this morning in her interview with Benny Johnson.

00:08:01.100 That simply criminalizes any conspiracy to oppress people in the exercise of their constitutional

00:08:06.480 rights.

00:08:07.520 I can't, don't know any other way to describe what you saw here.

00:08:10.100 It was an attempt to, it was a group of people who conspire to shut down a church service

00:08:15.620 and do so in, by, through intimidation.

00:08:19.660 Uh, you, and something that I caught that I hadn't heard before, but, uh, you know, in

00:08:23.240 that video clip, the one thing that I, that I heard that might actually open up more criminal

00:08:27.180 statutes, that guy didn't just, wasn't just talking at one point, somebody tries to touch

00:08:31.480 him and he says, touch me again.

00:08:32.680 You'll see what happens.

00:08:34.180 Intimidation, threat of force.

00:08:35.060 I didn't see that before.

00:08:35.880 So that's another, that opens up a couple other statutes, I think.

00:08:38.520 But yeah, I think the most likely, the Ku Klux Klan act is actually the most likely, 0.98

00:08:42.620 uh, way to get a slam dunk conviction on all these people.

00:08:46.060 The FACE act is still, if FACE act is viable and I'm sure it'll be charged, I would just, 0.60

00:08:51.040 you know, if I were a lawyer advising these people as like a defense lawyer, I'd be like,

00:08:54.680 you don't have to plead guilty because of the FACE act.

00:08:56.160 We have some arguments to make there, but the conspiracy against rights, we're, we're,

00:08:59.980 we don't really have any arguments.

00:09:02.040 Yeah.

00:09:02.460 And I appreciate that Dylan explained in that interview with Benny Johnson, that that is something

00:09:06.740 the Biden administration has tacked onto the FACE act to, to further those charges.

00:09:11.100 Apparently it also escalates things from a possible misdemeanor to a felony.

00:09:16.260 Uh, so you're getting a more significant charge.

00:09:18.280 You're getting a more substantive charge.

00:09:19.780 So I appreciate both the fact that they are attempting to apply the same standards that the

00:09:24.500 Biden administration has applied in reverse, but they're also looking, uh, outside of those

00:09:29.740 possibilities, other charges that could be brought.

00:09:32.100 Uh, we're obviously, uh, you know, we're, we're not doing anything legally novel here,

00:09:35.860 but, uh, it's good to see that it's not just, you know, the strictest, most obvious by the

00:09:40.060 books charge that might just, you know, get thrown out immediately.

00:09:42.880 We're looking at a wide range of possible charges that could be applied there.

00:09:47.340 And like you said, uh, you're obviously in a scenario where this, these people are not

00:09:51.240 just walking in.

00:09:52.300 Like you said, that guy's threatening.

00:09:53.280 He's getting in people's faces.

00:09:54.620 He's intimidating.

00:09:55.640 Uh, you know, these are not just protesters walking in and raising their fists though.

00:09:59.960 That itself would be enough.

00:10:01.780 You, you cannot walk in to public gatherings in which you are not invited, which you are

00:10:06.780 not a participant and then walk in and shut them down, especially when they're involved

00:10:10.200 in religious observance.

00:10:11.420 It's free speech is not the ability to walk into any and all buildings and speak, uh,

00:10:16.060 politically.

00:10:16.420 That is, that is not, uh, what, you know, what the first amendment says there, especially

00:10:20.320 when you are obviously in a violation of the first amendment rights.

00:10:23.960 Now we have, uh, the interview Don Lemon walks up, of course he needs to, as, as a journalist

00:10:29.420 needs to shove his mic in the face of the pastor who is simply attempting to keep order and

00:10:34.000 calm things down.

00:10:35.080 Obviously there's only so much this guy can do from the pulpit as this is happening.

00:10:38.720 Uh, but you can see Lemon, uh, getting in there and getting aggressive with this guy.

00:10:42.840 I mean, this is unacceptable.

00:10:44.260 It's shameful.

00:10:45.500 It's shameful to, to interrupt a public gathering of Christians in worship.

00:10:51.000 So, but there were folks who will say, I have to take care of my flock.

00:10:56.660 Listen, we live in a, there's a constitution in the first amendment to freedom of speech

00:11:00.360 and freedom to assemble and protest.

00:11:02.480 We're here to worship.

00:11:03.860 We're here to worship Jesus because that's the hope of these cities.

00:11:06.640 That's the hope of the world is Jesus Christ.

00:11:08.740 I want to be very respectful.

00:11:09.720 Please don't push me though.

00:11:11.220 I love this moment where Lemon is obviously in this man's church, invading his space, shoving

00:11:16.980 his microphone into the guy's face and the guy who's trying to get literally any space

00:11:21.160 between them.

00:11:21.960 And they say, Oh, don't shove me because Don is the victim here.

00:11:24.580 We're here to worship Jesus.

00:11:26.520 That's why we're here.

00:11:27.740 Okay.

00:11:28.160 That's why we're here.

00:11:29.200 That's what we're about.

00:11:30.300 Do you think Jesus would be understanding and love these folks?

00:11:34.260 We're about spreading the love of Jesus.

00:11:35.880 But did you try to talk to them as a Christian?

00:11:39.120 Did, did you attempt to talk to them as they walked in and shouted over your service?

00:11:43.340 So you can't speak.

00:11:44.540 I mean, just the level of entitlement that Don Lemon went in there thinking he was completely

00:11:49.520 untouchable, that he's allowed to harass, that he's allowed to get in people's faces.

00:11:53.280 No one is allowed to push back.

00:11:54.540 No one is allowed to have their first amendment rights.

00:11:57.080 Don has a monopoly on this.

00:11:58.500 And of course knows exactly what Jesus would do in this situation.

00:12:02.420 I know we talked about this a little bit, and obviously this is terrible.

00:12:05.720 And we're going to talk more about why it's terrible, why it's a threat in the United States.

00:12:09.740 But I must say, this is also a political opportunity.

00:12:12.320 The level of just the terrible optics of this, the level of prosecution the left have opened

00:12:18.740 themselves up to, this is a slam dunk.

00:12:21.220 This is an easy way to cause a lot of, frankly, fear that the left needs to have for their just

00:12:29.380 lawless activities.

00:12:30.360 Finally, I think the right has a clear case in which it can significantly publicly punish

00:12:37.480 prominent people and really make an example that will hopefully make it clear that there's

00:12:42.480 an extreme cost when it comes to this kind of action against average people when you're

00:12:47.960 attempting to do these type of protests.

00:12:50.360 I think that's right.

00:12:51.460 And I think that that's what's coming.

00:12:52.780 And I really have a lot of confidence in Harmeet and the team to do that.

00:12:57.020 I mean, within 15 minutes of me tagging her on Twitter with a CC about all this stuff,

00:13:02.940 there was posts from her personal account, her official account, and the civil rights

00:13:08.180 divisions account.

00:13:10.360 And then soon after that, Bondi as well.

00:13:13.820 I personally got a phone call from a civil rights lawyer following up on some of the stuff

00:13:17.940 I did last night, late last night.

00:13:19.860 So it's a Sunday night.

00:13:21.400 They're already working.

00:13:22.300 They're sending two people out there this morning.

00:13:25.240 They've got an FBI team in Minneapolis and local attorneys at the U.S. Attorney's Office

00:13:28.940 on the ground.

00:13:30.040 Things are going to happen here.

00:13:31.100 I mean, they're not going to happen today because it's Martin Luther King Day.

00:13:33.580 It's a federal holiday.

00:13:34.400 And my understanding is when you're talking about conduct like this, it wasn't a felony

00:13:39.460 committed in the presence of the officers, so they don't do an instant arrest.

00:13:41.920 You actually have to go get a warrant.

00:13:43.400 To get a warrant, you need a judge.

00:13:45.360 I'm not sure if they need to actually go through the full indictment process to go ahead and arrest

00:13:48.500 somebody, but they might.

00:13:50.920 So this will take a little bit.

00:13:53.560 But I think people need to, the way to think about this is what happened in the January 6th

00:13:57.260 prosecutions.

00:13:58.180 The first one's rolled out in like 36, 48 hours.

00:14:00.860 It might take a little longer because this happened on the weekend in the middle, you know,

00:14:04.140 when there's a holiday.

00:14:05.260 But I would expect 72 to 96 hours is when you'll see the very first indictments.

00:14:09.100 That would be my prediction.

00:14:09.860 And since it's only about 40 people instead of hundreds, I think you'll see six months

00:14:15.660 is going to be the criteria it needs.

00:14:17.340 Because there's a block of, you know, because it's, you have to write all these indictments

00:14:21.400 out, get affidavits.

00:14:22.960 You know, there's lawyers that have to sit there with each of these individual defendants

00:14:26.860 and be like, here is this person's conduct.

00:14:29.060 Here's what they did.

00:14:29.800 Write it all out.

00:14:30.560 Indict it properly.

00:14:31.820 And there's plenty of work that needs to be done on the legal research side.

00:14:34.240 Okay.

00:14:34.640 With each of these individual defendants, what can we charge?

00:14:36.960 Like some of them, you know, that guy who was doing all those intimidating things, for

00:14:40.200 example, I think he's going to open himself up to a whole slew of other statutes that talk

00:14:45.120 about stopping people's religious practice by force or threat of force.

00:14:48.960 I think it's really obvious that when you threaten, you say, don't touch me, see what

00:14:52.140 happens.

00:14:52.860 That's what you're doing.

00:14:53.900 But Lemon might not have done that.

00:14:55.860 So Lemon might not have the, that statute might not apply to him, but he still might be

00:14:59.860 viable on conspiracy against rights, that sort of thing.

00:15:02.400 So all this, all that takes a certain amount of prosecutorial time and energy.

00:15:06.960 Can't be done instantly.

00:15:08.320 And for the same reason that the J6 prosecutions, I mean, we were getting new J6 prosecutions

00:15:13.020 two, three years after the fact.

00:15:15.360 They weren't all happening at once.

00:15:16.720 It was just like wave after wave after wave.

00:15:18.480 And that's even with just this enormous flooding of resources into the U.S. Attorney's Office

00:15:22.920 in D.C.

00:15:24.020 Helping get more and more people indicted.

00:15:25.960 So how, you know, give it a second.

00:15:28.620 That's me, not talking to you, but I'm talking to the broader, broader public.

00:15:31.880 Give it a second.

00:15:32.420 It'll happen.

00:15:34.080 And I'd just be shocked if it didn't.

00:15:37.420 I think that, I think DOJ, this is what those people went to the Civil Rights Division to

00:15:41.720 go do, is to prosecute people for invading churches.

00:15:44.240 That's why you went to go work at Army Dillard Civil Rights Division.

00:15:46.640 So I think it's, I just think it's almost certainly going to happen.

00:15:50.260 And I, you know, I feel good about this one.

00:15:52.520 I will say I am, I am not always a plan truster when it comes to, you know, rolling out the

00:15:58.460 legal consequences.

00:15:59.440 I'll be frank.

00:16:00.380 I think the Trump administration has, has failed on this in several areas.

00:16:05.780 And so I'm not going to just sit here and say, yeah, they've been great.

00:16:09.940 And this is going to be fine.

00:16:11.160 I will say the, the rapid response, the clarity of communication from Dillon, those have been

00:16:19.820 encouraging.

00:16:20.280 That's something I don't feel like we've gotten in other cases.

00:16:23.340 Um, and maybe that is simply because they feel so well grounded in the evidence here

00:16:29.480 and the situation.

00:16:30.500 So I am very glad to hear that.

00:16:32.480 I will be one of these people though.

00:16:33.820 And I think we need to, to strike the right balance of, you know, uh, we need to trust

00:16:38.020 the plan, but a little bit of chimping on this too.

00:16:40.040 I want to see, I want to see people give, you know, I get it.

00:16:44.160 The local police department could have made these arrests, but there's a, you know, we have

00:16:48.440 a system in which the local and state law enforcement is responsible for immediate actions in these

00:16:54.580 moments.

00:16:55.100 And when they fail to do that, and we can, we'll have that conversation in a minute.

00:16:59.220 When they fail to do that, it's going to take the federal government a little more time

00:17:03.440 to step in and do their job for them.

00:17:05.380 I get that makes total sense, perfectly willing to give the time and the space, but that's

00:17:10.900 also the kind of thing we heard when it came to going after Antifa, uh, after Charlie's

00:17:15.240 murder.

00:17:15.440 And we haven't seen anything on that now.

00:17:17.340 Maybe it just takes more time, but I'm sorry, I'm going to continue to pressure that this

00:17:22.380 needs to be immediate.

00:17:23.280 I, again, I want to believe, I think they will this time.

00:17:26.460 I think you're right about that, but I'm not just going to sit back and be like, well,

00:17:29.820 they've probably got it.

00:17:31.020 They'll get her like that. 0.97

00:17:32.160 I'm sorry, but the track record has just not been sufficient enough to give me full trust

00:17:36.700 on that.

00:17:37.360 I hear that.

00:17:38.600 I, but I will say this about the, the Antifa prosecutions, especially after, you know,

00:17:42.620 the Charlie Kirk thing, right?

00:17:43.600 They apprehended the guy who did it and within 48 hours, you know, the, the problem is his

00:17:48.620 parents turned him in.

00:17:49.500 Yeah.

00:17:49.820 His parents turned him in, but I mean, that's part, that's product.

00:17:52.100 That's also a product of within 48 hours.

00:17:54.420 They had all the tape arranged.

00:17:55.460 They were able to put out a very good public presentation.

00:17:57.840 Here's the guy.

00:17:58.420 This is what he looks like.

00:17:59.300 We know who he is.

00:18:00.300 We don't, I think he didn't bring his phone.

00:18:02.580 So as a result of not bringing his phone, they didn't have like an instant identification,

00:18:05.840 but they're like, this is the guy, find him please.

00:18:08.140 And it worked.

00:18:09.300 Uh, the Antifa prosecutions are going to take some time.

00:18:11.960 They're not as simple.

00:18:12.560 Cause the, the, in terms of like prosecuting them is like Rico organized crime stuff.

00:18:17.520 I mean, think about how long mob prosecutions take, you know, they're, you know, those are,

00:18:21.880 those are not simple.

00:18:22.740 Those, they don't, they don't, they take a lot of infiltration.

00:18:25.540 They take actually proving the crimes, proving knowledge, proving the way that these organizations

00:18:31.000 function, uh, when, when that's not transparent and they're not.

00:18:34.920 And so that that's, that's a real challenge, especially when it comes to, you know, going

00:18:38.900 after the people who fund them, that's a whole nother level of prosecutorial effort.

00:18:42.580 This is, you know, this is the difference between, you know, uh, uh, uh, 18 yard, you know,

00:18:48.740 like a full completing a full 18 hole golf course and like a putt, you know, a gimme putt.

00:18:53.520 Like that's these, these indictments are gimme putts.

00:18:55.920 They're going to, they're coming.

00:18:57.100 This will not take long.

00:18:58.740 And like I said, we, we, I think that's pretty obvious just because Don Lemon is arrogant

00:19:03.180 and retarded enough to do stuff like this. 0.94

00:19:05.880 And to Minneapolis, um, a little bit ago and did some, um, some reconnaissance on the

00:19:14.280 ground and speaking to an organization there that's gearing up to, um, for resistance and

00:19:18.460 protest.

00:19:19.320 Um, I've been surprised.

00:19:20.980 He's doing reconnaissance.

00:19:22.360 He's, he's behind the line to this organization.

00:19:26.320 That's going to do this resistance in front. 0.94

00:19:28.420 Oh, so you've been talking to them and coming to an agreement about what you're going to

00:19:31.580 do, which is literally the conspiracy against rights.

00:19:34.580 You know, there was, I think it was beyond reasonable doubt who quote tweeted one of the

00:19:38.240 things I said, which was, it's just with this image of a, of a criminal defendant, a criminal

00:19:42.840 defense lawyer or quote, one of the makings she's saying, your honor, given that, you know,

00:19:47.440 most of the evidence in this case was tweeted out by my, by my client, wouldn't you give

00:19:51.100 them credit for cooperating?

00:19:54.900 Like maybe Don Lemon just gets a cooperation credit based on this video alone.

00:19:59.080 Like he's really making the job.

00:20:00.420 The prosecutor's easy.

00:20:01.700 It's beautiful because he actually transitions from saying they, to we in the middle of this

00:20:06.600 clip.

00:20:06.880 So let me just prize, pleasantly surprised to see the community coming together.

00:20:11.600 Um, diverse community.

00:20:13.300 If you see this, when we first pulled up, we're like, wait a minute, what is, which, um, which

00:20:17.380 operation are we at?

00:20:19.080 And as it turns out, because we were like, well, this is kind of MAGA coded, right?

00:20:23.320 So the American flag or whatever.

00:20:24.880 I love that he sees the American flag.

00:20:26.620 He's like enemy, enemy.

00:20:28.340 These are the bad guys.

00:20:29.200 It looks like MAGA.

00:20:30.220 It looks like Trump supporters.

00:20:31.300 They like America.

00:20:32.400 These are resistance protesters.

00:20:34.100 They're planning an operation that we're going to follow them on.

00:20:36.260 And I can't tell you exactly what they're doing, but it's called operation pull up.

00:20:40.880 Um, and it's the Kima Armstrong.

00:20:42.320 And she has been doing this since George Floyd, um, Dante Wright and others where they surprise

00:20:50.060 people, catch them off guard and hold them to account.

00:20:53.020 And so that's what we're doing here.

00:20:54.500 And then we're after that, after we do this operation, you'll see it.

00:20:57.520 So after we do this operation, he is openly admitting he is not just there to observe.

00:21:04.000 He is a part of this.

00:21:05.320 He's part of the coordination.

00:21:06.360 He's working with them.

00:21:07.340 And of course, even better because then later on, he says,

00:21:10.260 heard what some of the folks said in there, um, you know, that this is, uh, um, they shouldn't

00:21:17.540 be there and you know, they shouldn't be uncomfortable and this is our house and whatever.

00:21:21.880 That's what protesting is about is to make people uncomfortable.

00:21:24.300 You may not like.

00:21:25.200 So we're there to scare them.

00:21:27.920 That's, that's the point where this is a terrorist operation.

00:21:31.080 We're coordinating together to terrorize these people and shut down.

00:21:34.440 We're working with the, like, it's just all there.

00:21:36.880 He lays it out.

00:21:37.660 And then you shared this, which was just the, just the, you know, chef's kiss at the, at

00:21:41.640 the, the, the back end of this, just a woman like the, who coordinated the whole thing, 1.00

00:21:46.160 just listing the names of all the people involved, all the groups involved, everyone involved

00:21:51.200 in this federal crime.

00:21:52.900 It, it, it, it is amazing.

00:21:54.060 So, well, like I said, you're okay.

00:21:56.120 I'll just say this.

00:21:57.080 And I think you're right.

00:21:57.800 I think the Trump administration is going to hit this, but if the Trump administration

00:22:00.460 can't knock this one out of the park, I'm sorry, they have lost.

00:22:03.700 I mean, I really mean it.

00:22:04.820 I am off the Trump train.

00:22:06.140 I am never, ever, ever supporting anyone involved in this administration again, if they

00:22:11.400 can't seal this deal, I think they can.

00:22:13.380 I, I, I, I, I, I think they know that I think that there's, there's a, there is a real

00:22:19.300 sense of urgency and understanding.

00:22:21.080 And I mean, gosh, given what you just showed me, oh my word.

00:22:24.480 I mean, if you're a prosecutor wanting to prosecute a case, this is exactly what you're

00:22:27.960 looking for.

00:22:28.460 Like, please go on and explain exactly what your intent is, exactly what you intended

00:22:32.820 to do.

00:22:33.320 The whole knowledge that this is an operation, like you, you've revealed so much about what,

00:22:39.060 you know, it's just all admission after admission, after admission there, there, all these people

00:22:43.080 are going to have to play.

00:22:43.740 Like, it's going to be in the same way that in the DCJ6 cases, the right answer for like

00:22:48.600 99% of defendants was you need to plead out.

00:22:51.400 Like, you're just, this is a bad case.

00:22:53.840 Now, the, I mean, the question of course is going to be juries and it's not the same

00:22:56.780 to face a Minnesota jury as a DC jury, but I wouldn't be too black billy there either

00:23:00.220 because if these claims are brought in federal court, then it's a federal grand jury.

00:23:03.720 There's only one federal district in Minnesota, the district of Minnesota.

00:23:06.920 So that means people, you know, you'll get plenty of Republicans on the grand jury.

00:23:10.520 I'll get plenty of normal people.

00:23:11.440 It won't just be the weirdos in the city of Minneapolis.

00:23:16.240 It's the family and friends event at Shoppers Drug Mart.

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00:23:33.020 So obviously we're laughing at the inept nature of Don Lemon here, but I want to be clear.

00:23:39.160 Uh, this is a very serious situation.

00:23:42.420 Uh, there's a picture going around of a young girl crying and clutching her parents as these

00:23:46.900 people walk in.

00:23:47.960 And, uh, will that, that can't happen in the United States of America.

00:23:52.020 Like no child should, should fear going to church in the United States.

00:23:57.280 Uh, this is a state that has seen anti-Christian terrorism not too long ago.

00:24:03.420 There's a trans shooter out shooting people.

00:24:06.280 Like this is, they could have easily had guns breaking in here.

00:24:09.940 And so I have a couple of questions.

00:24:11.900 One, um, you know, what, to, to what extent are churches allowed to defend themselves in this situation?

00:24:20.080 These people have walked in, they're violating the law.

00:24:23.720 I don't know about this church.

00:24:25.680 I know at my church personally, uh, there, we have, uh, former law enforcement military

00:24:30.780 who are guarding every door at my church.

00:24:33.840 I'm very sure this wouldn't happen there, but if something like this did occur, do, does

00:24:39.600 the security team of that church have the right to physically remove these people from

00:24:44.880 the building?

00:24:45.700 And if so, and they escalate violence, what is the appropriate response?

00:24:51.120 So that's an interesting question.

00:24:52.960 Uh, whether or not they have the right to physically remove the people from the building is going

00:24:57.080 to depend on the nuances of Minnesota trespass law or the trespass law of wherever state

00:25:00.900 this happens.

00:25:01.700 Right.

00:25:02.160 And also like what, what, what self-help remedies are you allowed to pursue?

00:25:06.560 Um, I think, I don't know the answer to this question.

00:25:09.980 This is one of the, I'd have to look it up.

00:25:11.300 Like I'm off the top of my head.

00:25:12.880 I would think it would vary from state to state.

00:25:14.520 Some states are going to give you more laxity in terms of your self-help remedies.

00:25:18.700 Some states aren't.

00:25:19.780 I would be shocked if anybody would permit use of deadly force, for example.

00:25:22.740 So if you say, you know, somebody says, I'm here standing, protesting, you can't just

00:25:26.340 shoot them.

00:25:27.000 You can't threaten them with a gun either.

00:25:28.160 Right.

00:25:28.540 So like that, that would be shocking if that were true anywhere.

00:25:30.480 But the question about whether you can physically remove them, I bet, I bet that's going to

00:25:34.680 vary between state to state.

00:25:35.900 I think some states will, some states will probably say, no, no, no.

00:25:38.420 You need to call the cops and let them handle the trespass.

00:25:40.500 Like trespass, you're not allowed to self-help out of it.

00:25:43.680 And other states will say, sure, you can self-help.

00:25:45.500 You can just physically remove them from the presence, the premises if you want.

00:25:49.200 But without looking at the statute, I don't want, you know, this is one of those cases

00:25:55.120 where there's many legal questions that I don't know the answer to.

00:25:57.940 I would have to look up before I could be confident.

00:25:59.580 Is there a possibility that the, and I know Congress does nothing at this point, but is

00:26:06.100 it possible that a federal law could be passed that would allow a uniform ability to defend

00:26:13.760 oneself or defend one's exercise of your religious First Amendment rights through physical removal

00:26:22.140 if someone decides to trespass into a house of worship?

00:26:25.560 Could you have a face act style law that says you as an individual have the right to protect

00:26:33.240 your house of worship against illegal invasion?

00:26:37.000 Interesting.

00:26:37.860 I think, you know, you'd almost need to like have a, because the question is, could you

00:26:43.620 have a federal affirmative defense to what would be a state law crime, right?

00:26:47.100 Because the idea is that the state law crime would be some sort of assault and battery on

00:26:51.420 the protester because you're removing them without law, without lawful justification.

00:26:56.500 So could you have a federal affirmative defense to that, to a state law crime?

00:27:02.260 I don't know.

00:27:02.820 I don't know.

00:27:03.260 The answer, that's a, that's a, that's a, you asked, maybe you didn't realize it, but

00:27:06.480 you asked actually what is a very tricky question off the, you know, from a legal perspective.

00:27:11.240 I was, I was somewhat familiar that it was, it was tricky, but I do want this to be a

00:27:15.680 conversation that is being had in the Republican party in the conservative commentariat.

00:27:20.440 This needs to be, and I really mean this, this needs to be ground zero for a religious 1.00

00:27:25.640 defense revolution in the United States.

00:27:28.400 I want to see laws passed.

00:27:29.900 I want to see federal statutes addressed.

00:27:31.840 I want to see, uh, you know, the departments drafting, you know, outlines about how they're

00:27:36.740 going to handle this stuff.

00:27:37.580 Cause I have already seen several different posts from left to saying, this is the playbook.

00:27:42.760 Now, this is what we do.

00:27:44.300 We're going into these churches, by the way, Joe Rigney, uh, a guest on the show who is,

00:27:50.540 uh, one of the, uh, higher up guys, I believe in, uh, Doug Wilson's, uh, uh, church.

00:27:56.080 Uh, he said he was a guy who helped plant this specific church in Minnesota and is also now

00:28:02.960 a pastor at, uh, Pete Hegseth's church in DC, which has also received repeated harassment

00:28:10.020 and threats.

00:28:10.860 So this is a scenario where multiple churches across multiple States are being targeted.

00:28:16.840 I believe in coordination through the internet, through, uh, by these, by these organizations,

00:28:22.320 by these activists, there's, I believe criminal conspiracy involved here.

00:28:26.380 I believe that there are other, uh, agencies involved, but I really do want to see just

00:28:31.380 a absolute revolution from the Trump administration, from the Republican party, from, uh, federal

00:28:36.960 agencies, uh, say laying out how we are going to protect the rights of Christians specifically.

00:28:42.740 Cause I'll be honest, uh, I I'll be honest.

00:28:45.500 Well, if this was a synagogue, I don't think anyone would be having a single discussion about 0.99

00:28:50.460 every one of these guys spending 15 years in jail.

00:28:52.560 Uh, so I really need to see like just an absolute, you know, pedal to the floor, uh, effort, not

00:28:59.800 just in this prosecution though.

00:29:01.220 I absolutely hope that's the case, but I want to see this go further.

00:29:03.600 I want to see shields of protection out there for Christian places of worship.

00:29:06.780 The funny thing is you, the reason you don't see these things in synagogues, interestingly, 0.95

00:29:10.680 is cause they all have armed guards.

00:29:11.880 So you don't really see this stuff happen.

00:29:13.520 If they've synagogues have had their own series of problems that have led them all to 1.00

00:29:17.000 defend themselves like crazy.

00:29:19.120 Uh, what I will say more with churches too, well, yeah.

00:29:22.840 And I don't want it to get there.

00:29:23.820 I think that's actually a really important reason why the administration needs to act here.

00:29:27.220 I think there were, there are two specific things I think that a Congress could do that

00:29:31.380 would be helpful.

00:29:31.920 I think the first is to have a law that explicitly prohibits this specific conduct, right?

00:29:36.820 Like conspiracy against rights is a pretty vague statute that does capture the conduct

00:29:41.200 at issue here, but there should, it's always fine to have your belts and suspenders with

00:29:45.440 this stuff.

00:29:45.860 You can write a specific law that says you're not allowed to trespass into a church and shout

00:29:50.760 down, uh, a service as it's going on, forcing the service to come to an end.

00:29:54.740 You do that.

00:29:55.380 It's a felony, et cetera.

00:29:57.000 So that's one part one.

00:29:59.000 Part two is I've been hearing a lot about the use of whistles and vuvuzelas stuff to be

00:30:03.040 really loud and hurt people's ears in these protests.

00:30:05.580 And basically say that like, you know, we're going to, in the context of all the civil rights

00:30:10.160 laws, audible damage via overly loud use of artificial devices like bullhorns and vuvuzelas

00:30:16.140 and whistles, uh, is treated as force or threat of force.

00:30:19.860 It is not just speech, uh, because of the damage it can do to people's hearing.

00:30:23.520 So I think that would be a useful amendment to a lot of these laws because I see it's not

00:30:27.340 just in this church context.

00:30:28.440 It's also in all the protests, you see this endless use of these extremely loud whistles

00:30:32.160 and bullhorns whenever ice is running around.

00:30:34.400 That should be unlawful.

00:30:35.540 Uh, that's not speech.

00:30:36.600 That's an attempt to really hurt people and deter them from doing their job by making them

00:30:41.020 feel physical pain.

00:30:42.060 Uh, so that's just, that should be unlawful.

00:30:44.860 Um, so I think that there's plenty of room for Congress to do some belt and suspenders 0.84

00:30:47.940 work here to prohibit the specific conduct issue.

00:30:50.800 What, what, you know, what should be allowed here?

00:30:52.600 What should be allowed is like any other protest.

00:30:54.920 You stand on the sidewalk and you'll hold a sign.

00:30:57.080 That's, that's fine.

00:30:58.340 If these people wanted to stand on a sidewalk and hold a sign saying that how, you know,

00:31:02.660 even if it's as obnoxious and appalling as like the Westboro Baptist church was some

00:31:06.540 horrible sign about the, the ice officers, fine.

00:31:09.820 You're allowed to do that.

00:31:10.920 It's free country.

00:31:11.660 You're not allowed to walk into the church and stop the service.

00:31:15.240 So I will say, I agree with you that, that all needs to happen.

00:31:18.640 I'm, I'm pushing for it right here, live on the show.

00:31:20.900 So obviously, you know, I agree a hundred percent with the steps that need to be taken

00:31:24.460 there.

00:31:24.800 I will say though, I am concerned about the extent to which law can solve this problem.

00:31:31.000 And I don't want to say, I'm not getting accelerationist or anything here.

00:31:35.000 I'm just stating a basic fact of, you know, uh, of, of how politics and societies work.

00:31:41.580 If you're to the point where free speech is literally being weaponized in the sense of

00:31:47.900 we are turning our voices into weapons to hurt you because we think that's the one way

00:31:52.620 we won't get hit by some kind of federal law or something.

00:31:55.540 When you're manipulating the words down to that level, when we, when the tactics are getting

00:32:00.160 that radical, that abstract, when you're bending and breaking the law in such radical ways across

00:32:06.340 the board, I am concerned that, that there simply is not a legislative solution, especially

00:32:12.360 when many blue States are simply going to ignore the vast majority of this stuff, enforcement,

00:32:19.340 anything else.

00:32:20.240 I don't know that the Trump administration really has the manpower or the will to go

00:32:24.980 after every single left-wing jurisdiction and make sure that they enforce any of these

00:32:29.540 things were they to get them through Congress, which I am again, unfortunately, rather, uh,

00:32:34.160 concerned.

00:32:34.520 The GOP, uh, you know, Congress is just completely used, useless in this area.

00:32:38.680 And so, uh, you know, I I'm brought to this moment where I want the Trump administration

00:32:43.540 to do everything under the color of law.

00:32:45.640 It can't, I want them to do everything they can because the color of law is critical to

00:32:50.960 maintaining order.

00:32:51.980 It's critical to maintaining your status as being legitimate.

00:32:55.260 All of those things are very important, but I also can't look at this with a young child

00:33:00.120 crying as her father holds him because these people are in there threatening her during

00:33:04.740 a church service.

00:33:05.960 And, you know, a lot of people were joking about Protestant Franco, but you know, when

00:33:10.620 the Bolsheviks are literally breaking into your church to threaten you, you know, how many 0.91

00:33:15.660 steps are we away is the question.

00:33:17.580 I don't think the left is up for a full scale organized, you know, uh, you know, uh, uh, you

00:33:24.120 know, uh, left, left, uh, Spanish revolution style, civil war style, uh, fight.

00:33:29.480 But I do think that they are willing to harass, uh, dox, threaten and kill people basically

00:33:36.800 as like sporadic terrorists for a very long time, like literally insurgency style.

00:33:42.120 I've said this before and I've seen you kind of echo it, but I think we are in the point

00:33:46.400 where we really do need to see a reconstruction of these blue States. 0.79

00:33:50.300 We need consent decrees that law enforcement is no longer something these people are able 0.85

00:33:55.660 to handle.

00:33:56.180 They cannot be trusted with the ability to self-govern.

00:34:00.100 It has to be stripped from them.

00:34:01.440 It has to be turned over some kind of lawful authority that will actually protect people

00:34:05.920 in these States.

00:34:06.940 So you have any thoughts on that?

00:34:09.200 I think what we need to, you know, I, I, I, I joke about reconstruction and in some sense,

00:34:15.740 I do think they're like what you need is akin to reconstruction in the form of just an

00:34:20.120 enormous use of federal authority under the color of law.

00:34:23.080 Right.

00:34:23.620 Like, I don't think here's, I think we're actually seeing what's the beginning of a

00:34:27.920 new era of federal law enforcement.

00:34:30.340 It's starting with the one big, beautiful bill, because think about what the one big,

00:34:33.860 beautiful bill did. 0.98

00:34:34.640 It just provided infinite money to border patrol and ice.

00:34:38.040 Like it created an army out of nothing.

00:34:40.780 Out of nothing.

00:34:41.460 You have a $5 billion budget.

00:34:42.960 How does 75 billion sound right?

00:34:44.920 Like hire 10,000 people.

00:34:46.680 We like, just, just resources are no longer going to be an issue for what you're doing.

00:34:50.500 Like, you know, class, what said you need conflict to win a conflict, you need the means

00:34:54.220 and the will.

00:34:54.960 Well, now you have the means we have the means.

00:34:56.860 I mean, and I think that's demonstrated, you know, left us for so long have played this

00:35:00.460 game where they're like, well, if we don't cooperate with federal law enforcement, you

00:35:03.800 won't be able to functionally do it because you need our help.

00:35:06.760 You don't have the resources to do on your own.

00:35:08.560 And after the one big, beautiful bill, the answer is watch us, right?

00:35:12.540 Oh, you have 600 officers that aren't helping.

00:35:14.620 We'll send 3000 more.

00:35:15.840 We don't care.

00:35:16.300 Like we're, we're going to enforce the law in Minneapolis.

00:35:18.380 I think, and honestly, like to the extent that there's anybody in your audience that's

00:35:22.220 blackpilled, I think you need to step back and it's, it's easy to forget about the good

00:35:25.700 things.

00:35:26.140 Like that's a good thing that we now just send 3000 federal officers to Minneapolis.

00:35:30.720 Right.

00:35:30.740 That is a radical change.

00:35:32.460 That is a radical.

00:35:33.360 There's a new era.

00:35:34.280 That's not something that happened in the first Trump administration.

00:35:37.140 And talk about anybody who is whining about the one big, beautiful bill needs to realize 0.92

00:35:40.780 that our ability to fight in Minneapolis is a product of the fact that we have those

00:35:44.600 resources that we got in that legislation.

00:35:46.760 I think that, you know, if you were against it before, it's maybe recalibrate and rethink

00:35:50.800 what you, what, what your, your cost benefit analysis that you were doing back then.

00:35:55.560 Um, so, so, oh, sorry, go ahead.

00:35:57.840 No, no, by all means, please continue.

00:35:59.240 Okay.

00:35:59.480 So I guess, so my point is because we were sort of, we're, we have a new thing that we

00:36:04.020 can do, which is over overwhelming federal force under color of law.

00:36:08.480 That's new.

00:36:09.060 We haven't had that.

00:36:10.000 This is really the first time I think it's been tried.

00:36:11.580 And so I, I want to see this run out in the sense, I think we can accomplish the ends

00:36:17.040 of reconstruction with this.

00:36:18.920 If we just don't lose the will, because at a certain point, if you're there with five,

00:36:24.440 with a federal force, five times the size of the local police force, well, then the

00:36:29.180 Minnesota authorities have two options.

00:36:30.400 They just have to let you enforce federal law or they can rebel.

00:36:33.860 And if they rebel, then, you know, if they, if they do something like those idiots have

00:36:37.460 been talking about calling up the national guard to fight ice agents, like watch what

00:36:40.900 happens, I hope you try.

00:36:42.660 Yes, please.

00:36:43.400 Like, I genuinely hope you try that.

00:36:45.160 Watch what happens.

00:36:47.080 So I think I, that, that means I want to see, let's, I want to see them put the pedal

00:36:50.680 of the metal of Minneapolis using the tactics they have.

00:36:52.740 I don't even think they need the insurrection act.

00:36:54.460 I think it's as simple as I want them to, I think they can with the forces available to

00:36:59.200 them under the, under, under ice, you know, the ability to send thousands of federal

00:37:02.940 agents into the city for as long as it takes.

00:37:05.000 I just want them to do that and to keep doing it and keep arresting it, you know, keep detaining

00:37:09.640 every criminal alien you find, keep arresting everybody who obstructs you. 0.92

00:37:13.920 You know, if, if like law, you know, the attorney general or the mayor or whatever started,

00:37:19.360 you know, if you, you think he's obstructing open a federal investigation into him, just,

00:37:22.860 you know, and keep the pressure on until the job is done.

00:37:25.060 Because if you do that, and then maybe you demonstrate, you do it again in Philadelphia,

00:37:28.920 you know, Larry Krasner has all that, he has a big mouth right now talking about how he

00:37:32.520 wants to arrest ICE agents, do the same thing in Philadelphia, make Josh Shapiro and Larry

00:37:37.480 Krasner sit there and make a decision about, you know, oh, okay, we're going to withdraw

00:37:41.540 cooperation.

00:37:42.180 That's fine.

00:37:42.480 We don't need your cooperation.

00:37:43.460 We're going to send thousands of officers onto your streets and arrest every criminal

00:37:46.260 alien and arrest anybody who obstructs us.

00:37:48.580 And we're going to do that again and again and again and again, until finally people realize

00:37:52.780 it's just in their best interest to cooperate.

00:37:54.580 I think that could be the, I think that could obviate the need for reconstruction.

00:37:58.340 And so I'd certainly want to try that first.

00:37:59.960 You definitely need to break the back of these people.

00:38:03.320 And I agree with you again, that I'm doing as much under the color of law is the goal.

00:38:08.320 Maintaining legitimacy during this operation is the goal.

00:38:11.200 And I agree that there is, we have, the Republicans have been so weak and so feckless and so cowardly

00:38:18.440 up to this point that there is just actually a mile of, you know, of rope that they have.

00:38:24.880 They simply have not deployed in this that they can use.

00:38:27.540 There are so many different levers that they can actually apply to these, you know, cut

00:38:32.520 the funding to sanctuary cities, deploy these people massively.

00:38:36.060 Like there's so much that can be done under the law that simply having the will to do that

00:38:40.980 is critical, but it really is the will.

00:38:43.080 And unfortunately, I feel like the will has lacked previously, but I am encouraged to see

00:38:48.420 that despite the pushback the Trump administration has received, they have stayed stalwart in the

00:38:53.300 face of this.

00:38:53.900 They have not backed away.

00:38:55.260 Yeah.

00:38:55.800 I think there's a few big, really important tells about this that, that show the resolve

00:39:00.220 of the administration.

00:39:01.880 Think about the shooting of Renee Good.

00:39:03.780 There was this overwhelming pressure to like prosecute the ICE agent.

00:39:07.300 And you know what DOJ is doing?

00:39:08.840 They're going to prosecute her wife. 1.00

00:39:10.620 That's what's coming.

00:39:11.720 She doesn't have a wife, but I hear what you're saying.

00:39:13.380 Oh, right.

00:39:13.700 The part, her partner, right?

00:39:15.060 Yes.

00:39:15.340 She's got her partner's getting prosecuted. 1.00

00:39:17.240 And potentially any, their ice watch little group is getting prosecuted.

00:39:21.420 And they're totally, you know, I think there's a real understanding, you know, from the top

00:39:26.940 down in both the administrative, the White House and the Department of Justice.

00:39:30.400 It's like, no, no, no, no, no.

00:39:32.400 We have to win here.

00:39:33.340 If we lose here, we're going to lose everything.

00:39:35.120 We're going to lose all credibility.

00:39:36.600 No one's going to take us seriously.

00:39:38.680 So not only are we not going to prosecute the ICE agent who did nothing wrong, who

00:39:42.800 acted in self-defense, but we are going to prosecute the wife of the widow of, sorry,

00:39:48.940 the, you know, the girlfriend.

00:39:52.340 It's all air quotes.

00:39:53.300 It's so hard.

00:39:54.220 It's so hard.

00:39:55.780 These people with their weird, their weird, domestic arrangements.

00:39:59.120 It is so hard.

00:40:00.580 We're going to prosecute the wife and we're going to make, we're going to teach the country 1.00

00:40:05.240 that in fact, the only criminal activity here was committed by the protesters.

00:40:09.260 Absolutely.

00:40:09.940 Now, one more thing before we go to the questions of the audience, right before this, and I have

00:40:16.760 to say, I like Bishop Barron.

00:40:19.280 I've liked a lot of the work that he's put out.

00:40:21.100 I think he seems like a nice guy.

00:40:23.440 But right before this, we saw him talking about how the Trump administration needs to back

00:40:28.780 away.

00:40:29.580 They need to calm down.

00:40:30.680 They need to stop arresting people.

00:40:32.100 They need to pull ICE agents out, only get the worst people.

00:40:35.240 Everything else, all this stuff.

00:40:37.280 And of course, it's, you know, as, as bad as Catholic charities has been, I mean, I would

00:40:41.600 really like to know, you know, again, I like Bishop Barron, but how aware was he about the

00:40:47.620 amount of Catholic charity money flowing through here?

00:40:50.040 Does he have any hand on this?

00:40:51.600 Does his bishopric include any, any oversight of this money?

00:40:56.420 You know, is, is there a reason he's out there saying ICE needs to dial things back while

00:41:01.920 my charities, you know, pour more Somalis into this area, but it's not, to be fair, it's

00:41:06.400 not just him.

00:41:06.960 Obviously we know this church is Lutheran charities, right?

00:41:10.080 Lutheran charities.

00:41:11.280 Many evangelicals have been just as bad on this.

00:41:13.940 So I want to be clear across the board, Jewish organizations, all across the board.

00:41:18.960 There've been, it's a Judeo-Christian failure. 1.00

00:41:20.920 Like I think it's a universal.

00:41:22.200 In this one's instance, I will use Judeo-Christian. 0.97

00:41:24.780 Yes, it is an entire, it is a collective failure.

00:41:28.580 And so how important is this to snap these church organizations, these religious organizations

00:41:35.800 out of their slumber?

00:41:36.820 Because these people have been getting rich off of this leftist grift.

00:41:40.800 They have been defending their actions saying, oh no, it's our brother.

00:41:44.400 We're, we're feeding the poor.

00:41:45.720 We're taking care of these communities.

00:41:47.420 You even see guys like Bishop Barron getting out there saying, you need to dial back ICE.

00:41:50.640 You know, deportation is one of the most conservative, theoretically right-wing guys in the, you know,

00:41:57.740 Catholic leadership in the United States coming out against, you know, deportation actions.

00:42:03.120 I mean, the, the, the leadership of the church is going to lose the laity entirety if it cannot

00:42:09.680 at the very least verbally affirm the ability of the administration to defend parishioners while

00:42:16.680 worshiping.

00:42:17.480 It is literally the most basic job of the shepherd to protect the flock.

00:42:22.260 It is like in the biblical metaphor as thoroughly as one can imagine.

00:42:27.680 Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm certainly, I'm not a religious person.

00:42:30.000 So I, I, I don't, I, I never get into the intra-religious fights, but I'll just say this

00:42:35.520 as an external observer.

00:42:36.900 I mean, if we don't, you have, isn't there some obligation that people follow the law,

00:42:41.900 right?

00:42:42.520 In religion that like religious authorities tell their adherents that they must follow

00:42:46.960 the laws of the state.

00:42:48.440 Like, why aren't you telling your legal alien adherents to return to their country of origin? 1.00

00:42:54.220 And if they wish to come here, apply legally to get in, get right with the laws of the 0.99

00:42:58.500 magistrate.

00:42:59.080 I don't get it.

00:42:59.980 Uh, and I think I don't want to hear, I mean, until I hear that from religious authorities,

00:43:05.380 I don't want to hear anything about the heavy handedness of federal law enforcement.

00:43:09.680 I don't, it's about protecting the American people and the, you know, the, the idea that

00:43:14.740 we would somehow give up on our number one campaign promise.

00:43:17.000 Like it's Donald Trump put secure the border number one and the largest mass deportation

00:43:21.860 operation in American history at number two and it was on his platform.

00:43:25.200 And he won the election on that platform.

00:43:27.480 He's going to do it guys that's coming.

00:43:30.140 And no amount of, you know, leftist agit prop street theater nonsense is going to stop

00:43:34.480 us.

00:43:34.860 I mean, if anything, I'm really great in some perverse sense.

00:43:38.260 I'm grateful that this happened because it, it, it completely ends the moral debate, right?

00:43:42.600 Like, I'm sorry, you know, you're protesting churches now.

00:43:45.580 Uh, yeah, we know it's pretty clear who the good guys are and who the bad guys are here.

00:43:50.620 No, I agree.

00:43:51.560 And I also hope this, this refocus of the administration, there's been a lot of focus on foreign policy.

00:43:56.260 I get it.

00:43:56.980 The world doesn't stop the minute we have to solve things at home, but Trump was elected

00:44:01.020 to be a domestic president.

00:44:02.340 The problems are here.

00:44:03.680 You know, I'm sure Iran's full of bad people, but when people are storming into my church,

00:44:08.320 get around to bombing the mullahs sometime later. 0.88

00:44:11.160 Okay.

00:44:11.460 Right now I would like you to drive the progressives, literally threatening children in churches

00:44:15.380 out of there.

00:44:16.380 That's what I actually care about.

00:44:18.080 That's what you were elected to do.

00:44:19.400 Please, please keep your focus right there.

00:44:21.960 All right, guys, we're going to take a look at your questions here real quick, but before

00:44:25.180 we do, Will, where can people find your work?

00:44:27.560 Uh, you can find me at Will Chamberlain on X and you can follow what the article three

00:44:31.940 project is doing at a3paction.com.

00:44:35.500 All right, let's go to our question.

00:44:37.920 Cherry Coke Nixon says, uh, the woke farmer twos TikTok comments fully support his church

00:44:44.020 incident and want more woke is energized and fired up.

00:44:47.800 The right is MIA.

00:44:49.520 Well, I'm hoping that this is going to reinvigorate, uh, what has been a somewhat lagging, uh, right

00:44:55.440 wing at the moment.

00:44:56.340 I hope that this puts the stakes very directly back into focus.

00:45:00.140 It is a shame that after the murder of Charlie Kirk, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, that

00:45:04.980 the right could not stay focused enough to fight the left.

00:45:07.840 Uh, but I hope this really brings everybody back to, uh, I don't give a flying whatever

00:45:12.920 about who's on what, whoever's podcast.

00:45:15.180 I care if leftists are starving into churches.

00:45:17.740 Okay.

00:45:18.220 So maybe, maybe, maybe we can all stay focused on, uh, that and, uh, and hopefully, uh, that

00:45:23.420 will be, uh, something that will drive, uh, both, both the Trump administration and its

00:45:27.700 supporters into action.

00:45:29.220 Yeah.

00:45:29.800 Agreed.

00:45:30.220 Uh, he also says first shutting down the streets, then accosting random pedestrians, forcing

00:45:35.700 people to say F ice now occupying churches, uh, target 2020 is back.

00:45:40.860 He also says, uh, jury nullification for me, felony charges, uh, for the, how worried are

00:45:47.040 you?

00:45:47.140 I know we already talked about the juries, uh, there, but I guess, as you said, if they

00:45:51.660 do get a federal grand jury, it's going to pull from the whole state.

00:45:54.480 It's not just going to be from the radical leftist, uh, municipalities, but this, maybe

00:45:58.700 that's the better question here.

00:46:00.180 This is a growing problem for the right.

00:46:02.520 Um, urban juries are going to become more and more sympathetic to the left.

00:46:06.340 And since the majority of our population centers are obviously going to be urban and going

00:46:11.320 to have that demographic understanding, isn't it just the case that if things continue,

00:46:16.880 as they are, juries in major areas are going to continually be more left-wing sympathetic?

00:46:23.520 Yeah, no, it's certainly true.

00:46:25.100 Uh, especially, and as our government gets more and more polarized, you know, I was, I

00:46:28.800 was actually testifying in front of the Senate a couple of weeks ago about impeaching judges.

00:46:34.360 And of course, Peter Welch asked me this random question about January 6th.

00:46:38.120 Like, I don't know where, uh, you know, asked me at first, you know, what I, do I think

00:46:42.500 it was a good idea to bring the protesters out there?

00:46:44.180 And I'm like, you know, I don't know that that's not really my bailiwick.

00:46:46.800 Like it probably, in my intuition is that it was probably a bad idea to get that broadcast

00:46:50.380 going.

00:46:50.920 But like, you know, you're, you're making an ex-post judgment of an ex-ante fact.

00:46:55.220 But then he asked me, like, would you support pardons of everybody who was convicted?

00:46:58.480 I'm like, of course I'd support pardons.

00:46:59.980 You know why?

00:47:00.620 Because none of them got fair trials because they were in DC.

00:47:02.760 Every single person who's tried in DC did not get the benefit of a, of a fair trial by

00:47:07.280 a jury of their peers.

00:47:08.200 Not one.

00:47:09.020 Because there are, DC votes 95% Democratic.

00:47:12.200 And that's the, it's a source of primary polarization.

00:47:15.360 And I think, you know, if, if we ever get to the world where we have to do this reconstruction,

00:47:19.880 we're going to have to rethink the trial by jury.

00:47:21.700 Because for the same reason Singapore had to rethink it, that they, you know, Singapore

00:47:24.540 looked at it and said, if you have this massive multi-ethnic, you know, extremely polarized

00:47:29.560 society, then juries don't offer objective justice because everybody votes with their

00:47:35.380 inter, with their block.

00:47:36.980 And it no longer becomes about what these people did wrong.

00:47:41.280 Lee Kuan Yew pill is real.

00:47:43.500 Let's go over here to Antorum.

00:47:46.080 He says, I found, I found it so ironic that the FACE Act protects Christian temples and child

00:47:50.860 sacrifice temples for the left.

00:47:53.320 Well, this is the problem, right?

00:47:54.360 It's like, as you said, up until now, the FACE Act basically didn't protect any churches.

00:47:59.560 And that's because law is not enough.

00:48:02.380 You have, well, law is only, uh, only matters if it's animated by will.

00:48:07.180 And if the prosecution, if the, if the, uh, you know, different people involved, the machinery

00:48:11.620 is only going to use it one way, then that's a huge problem.

00:48:14.760 I've had this laid out to me several times by people saying we have to protect the Civil

00:48:19.200 Rights Act because it's going to be used to protect Christians and white people. 0.91

00:48:22.540 And every time I have laughed very heartily at them because that is absolutely not how it's

00:48:26.440 been used since its inception in almost any instance.

00:48:30.260 Very, very few.

00:48:31.660 Uh, and so now it's nice to see finally one person possibly make good on that.

00:48:38.260 Uh, I'm still fairly sure we need to dismantle, uh, civil rights legislation. 0.75

00:48:43.320 Uh, however, uh, it is nice to see at least someone, you know, turn, turn the, uh, the, the

00:48:49.260 gun back on, uh, you know, uh, now that the rabbit has it, uh, as, as they say.

00:48:54.840 Yeah, it really is remarkable that Harmeet DeVille is the first person, the first Republican

00:48:58.520 in decades since the enactment of the Civil Rights Act to actually try and take meaningful

00:49:02.940 political control of the civil rights division, the DOJ.

00:49:05.280 Uh, and so, you know, I think it's another example of the, the, the second Trump administration

00:49:12.040 is really, uh, a unique, unique thing.

00:49:15.880 It's the first time we've really had a serious and dedicated attempt to sort of take control,

00:49:21.520 to use the federal government to achieve conservative ends aggressively.

00:49:25.280 And I think, you know, before people need to, should let, let, you know, in the world,

00:49:32.380 let them cook, right. 0.98

00:49:33.320 Give them a chance, like give, give, give, give the administration that's doing the thing

00:49:37.360 that's never been done before.

00:49:38.580 And it's clearly trying to do the thing that's never been done before.

00:49:41.180 Like they're, they've, they've made public statements and they've made personnel changes

00:49:44.900 to this effect.

00:49:45.700 So can, with those, with a real change in political will at the top and, you know, a mass

00:49:50.640 clean out of the civil rights division.

00:49:51.920 I mean, I think she's lost, she's fired something like 80% of the, yeah, the problem is that

00:49:56.480 there's like three, three lawyers in a, in a copier, I think in that department right

00:50:00.320 now, that's the only real challenge they're facing.

00:50:02.340 Well, more of, you know, where, I mean, I would, I would do it, but I'm me, right.

00:50:05.200 I got to like, I have a lot of other things going on.

00:50:07.040 I like North Carolina, but come on guys.

00:50:08.520 Like if you're, if you're mad about this, if there's any, if there's any lawyers in the

00:50:11.520 audience, I know civil rights is hiring. 0.82

00:50:13.440 Right.

00:50:13.980 And imagine like, really, this is a good example of what is your work going to be?

00:50:17.920 If you go work for the civil rights division or to harm me, Dylan, you're going to

00:50:20.200 get to go prosecute leftist protesters and put them in jail.

00:50:23.120 Like, do you want to be involved in making Don Lemon sit in federal penitentiary?

00:50:26.840 I would go work for the civil rights division.

00:50:29.080 Yeah.

00:50:30.360 It's like that, our ice officer, the guys are trying to make fun of him.

00:50:33.600 He's like, I make $200,000 a year, locking illegals in jail. 1.00

00:50:36.480 I'm living the dream.

00:50:37.460 It's like, all right, that's one of our boys right there.

00:50:39.600 That's, that's what I want to see.

00:50:41.240 That's what we needed.

00:50:42.140 You know, we, what if, and I mean, we really haven't played this out.

00:50:45.100 Like what, if we, if JD wins and we keep this going for another 10 years, what does this

00:50:48.720 look like?

00:50:49.660 Right.

00:50:49.880 What does it look like when you have 10 years of new ice hiring and everybody there joined

00:50:54.680 up because they wanted to deport illegal immigrants?

00:50:57.860 Like, I think there's, there are, you know, it's been a frustrating period.

00:51:01.320 And I think it's frustrating also because you're, you're just turning the cruise ship around,

00:51:04.840 but they're actually turning it.

00:51:06.220 Like they're not pretending to turn it.

00:51:07.320 They're actually really are good faith trying to turn the ship around.

00:51:10.560 And so let's see if they can do it.

00:51:13.020 Yeah.

00:51:13.260 There's a, there's a term revolution in the form.

00:51:16.260 And that's exactly what we need here.

00:51:18.560 The left is very good at this.

00:51:20.160 They leave the form that everyone's familiar with, but they completely revolutionize its

00:51:24.900 actual meaning, its actual application.

00:51:27.260 And I believe the Trump administration is, is attempting the same thing in reverse.

00:51:31.440 I don't know if it's going to work.

00:51:33.000 It is, is itself a bit of a science experiment, political science experiment.

00:51:37.240 Uh, but it is, I think the best option you have up until the next option, which is very

00:51:42.960 not good.

00:51:43.580 Uh, so up, up to that point, I, I certainly, uh, am rooting for them to pull this off.

00:51:48.960 And I, and while I, you know, I, I am always going to push, I'm always going to encourage

00:51:53.460 people to go further, take more power, take more action.

00:51:56.540 Uh, I want to be clear, uh, just completely like black pilling and all the, you know, the

00:52:01.040 Trump administration is dead to me.

00:52:02.320 Uh, like I said, if they do nothing here, if they do nothing here, okay, I'm with you

00:52:06.640 guys, I'm out, I'm, I'm, I'm checking out.

00:52:08.920 They, they've lost me if that's the case, but they're talking like they're going to do

00:52:12.600 stuff.

00:52:12.980 They've got the, you know, the cases lined up.

00:52:15.040 They've got the law lined up.

00:52:16.280 They've got the evidence, you know, I'm going to give them the time to get this done because

00:52:20.540 again, if they can't do this, then they can't do anything.

00:52:23.240 But I actually would agree with that.

00:52:24.480 If they can't, if they can't do this, I don't know what they can do.

00:52:26.540 Like this is, this is, this isn't a hard one.

00:52:29.040 And I, I don't want to put pressure on her on me because I just, I just like, she's a

00:52:32.560 friend.

00:52:32.800 I know, but I know her, she's really good. 0.89

00:52:35.080 She was unbelievably good in private practice.

00:52:36.980 People need to forget that she was on the side of the angels fighting against all these

00:52:41.000 abuses, suing governments that were oppressing Trump supporters.

00:52:43.680 Like she's really, really, really good and is on totally on side.

00:52:47.860 So, you know, give her a chance.

00:52:50.360 Red Mountain News says we cannot have a repeat of bill airs at all where these people just go

00:52:54.820 into institutions that are not prisons.

00:52:57.540 I agree a hundred percent.

00:52:58.820 The left always rewards its radicals.

00:53:00.860 Its terrorists get professorships and they get, you know, the, the sinecures and they just

00:53:05.480 collect a couple hundred thousand dollars while doing their professional activism after becoming

00:53:09.580 terrorists. 0.53

00:53:10.040 That cannot be the case here.

00:53:11.280 That's why I'm saying guys like Don Lemon must do significant time.

00:53:15.460 They, it has to happen.

00:53:16.800 You cannot just let this guy like go back to making, you know, a hundred thousand dollars,

00:53:21.980 a couple hundred thousand dollars off a podcast somewhere.

00:53:23.920 Like that cannot be the result of what happens here.

00:53:26.640 And I don't think that's what's going to happen here.

00:53:28.300 So interesting side note, we didn't really cover this, but I literally just did a different

00:53:31.500 podcast with a civil rights attorney, a guy who sues the government and sues private actors.

00:53:36.200 And he pointed out that the civil rights laws and the, you know, the ability for the plaintiffs,

00:53:42.140 like the parishioners to sue people like Don Lemon is even more expansive than the criminal

00:53:45.900 prosecution because you're liable, not just if you were in the conspiracy, but if you knew

00:53:51.240 about the conspiracy and did nothing, you're civilly liable.

00:53:54.280 So like, even in the horrible world where we don't get a criminal prosecution of Don

00:53:57.660 Lemon, there's enormous civil liability there because of all the things he was also saying,

00:54:01.600 like, even somehow he's like, he wins this, like I was a journalist argument.

00:54:05.340 Well, you still knew about it and did nothing.

00:54:07.180 And it was a massive civil rights violation.

00:54:08.960 Like, so I hope that any of the money going to these people, I think there is going to

00:54:12.620 go right back into the pockets of the parishioners if they get a good lawsuit.

00:54:16.500 Yeah.

00:54:16.640 I want to see a Alex Jones, 1 billion, a trillion, whatever judgment style thing happening here.

00:54:23.280 Right.

00:54:23.500 Like Don, I want Don Lemon to be sending payments to, uh, to Christians in Minnesota for the rest 1.00

00:54:28.800 of his life.

00:54:29.740 Uh, uh, Cherry Cognick says, what do, uh, what do we do when states like Minnesota refuse to

00:54:35.520 trespass protesters from private property with the cops and DAs?

00:54:39.520 Well, I think, as you said, it's, it's then all federal law enforcement.

00:54:42.600 It's all federal, uh, statutes.

00:54:44.580 Obviously the, the state, uh, and, and local police are not cooperating.

00:54:48.840 Otherwise none of these incidents would be happening.

00:54:50.480 Remember guys, they're deporting people in my home state.

00:54:53.040 It's Florida.

00:54:53.960 You're not seeing anything about it.

00:54:55.320 You know why?

00:54:56.160 Cause we're helping.

00:54:57.320 We're, we're lining these people up.

00:54:58.880 Like ice just comes and collects them.

00:55:00.960 You know, like you don't, you don't need to have this whole operation.

00:55:04.040 The only reason you're seeing what you're seeing is that the left is basically running

00:55:07.840 a anti-American insurgency in, in that area.

00:55:11.660 Uh, so yes, you're, you're absolutely right that these people are not doing their jobs,

00:55:15.800 but there are ways to handle this.

00:55:17.120 And we, we've already kind of gone over those in detail.

00:55:19.900 So I'm not going to run over them again this time.

00:55:23.040 Uh, Spartan says, uh, if nothing move, uh, if nothing moved to Trump after Charlie Kirk and

00:55:28.760 two national guardsmen died, I'm not expecting much of the people, uh, uh, much for the people

00:55:35.160 of this church.

00:55:36.460 Well, again, as, as we'll laid out, uh, those charges are more complicated.

00:55:40.840 I am also frustrated.

00:55:42.020 I also want to see more happen.

00:55:43.580 I'm with you.

00:55:44.420 I don't think enough has been done to punish the left after the death of Charlie Kirk and

00:55:48.340 I'll continue to push for it, but these are separate things.

00:55:52.140 So let's, let's, let's, you know, let's try not to conflate them.

00:55:55.360 Uh, this is a scenario where this is a much easier open and close, you know, you can go

00:56:00.460 directly at these people.

00:56:01.520 They're unmasked.

00:56:02.200 They're obvious.

00:56:03.080 You're not chasing down paper trails.

00:56:04.900 They're on camera doing exactly what they did.

00:56:07.260 I think we're looking at a different animal here.

00:56:08.980 I understand your concern.

00:56:10.520 I understand your reservations.

00:56:12.260 I share them, but again, let's, let's, let's not, let's not, uh, get these situations

00:56:16.620 entirely mixed up.

00:56:17.540 They are materially different.

00:56:18.720 Menehude says, I'm sorry, but the idea that Don Lemon and BLM protesters get federal charges

00:56:25.060 under the KKK act on Martin Luther King day will never not be fun of me.

00:56:28.240 Yes.

00:56:28.500 That is a glorious, glorious thing.

00:56:30.900 I love, I will love Dylan forever if she just does that, just that like, okay, you have

00:56:37.160 my undying allegiance, whatever, but just make that happen.

00:56:40.080 That'll be enough.

00:56:41.060 I mean, it really will be, you know, this is, it really will be a new epoch in civil rights

00:56:46.780 law, if this is, if this is how we're going to start using the Klan act.

00:56:49.920 I think, you know, you've got to, you really could open up a new era.

00:56:54.060 And again, another decade of this, what happens if we create an entire new civil rights division,

00:56:58.200 500 lawyers, staff of people of similar mind, you can't do that instantly.

00:57:01.860 You have to find them.

00:57:02.640 You have to vet them background checks, blah, blah, blah.

00:57:04.560 And you have to find the people willing to do that.

00:57:06.480 Like going to DC is a big sacrifice for, for good lawyers.

00:57:09.280 People forget that, you know, I'm not going to do it because I can't, it's just not

00:57:13.160 in the right position for my family.

00:57:15.440 So you have to find the right people.

00:57:17.080 And that, that doesn't happen overnight.

00:57:18.460 The left benefits from this incumbency effect where they've had years of hiring atrocious

00:57:22.160 lawyers and civil rights.

00:57:23.360 And we're, we're finally putting a stop to that and trying to do the other thing.

00:57:26.760 In some ways, this is why collapsing institutions rather than trying to restaff them is, is the

00:57:32.480 superior option.

00:57:33.160 But I understand that is its own, own number of hurdles.

00:57:36.800 But, but you're right that if, if your goal is to revolutionize these things inside the

00:57:41.060 form, it's going to take time, you're going to have to restaff, you're going to have to

00:57:43.920 change the culture, you're going to have to change the direction.

00:57:46.380 But once you have that momentum, then you've got the guys buried in, you've got the guys

00:57:51.140 who've got the 30 years, uh, who are just unmovable, who are going to make sure that

00:57:55.080 no matter who gets elected, that's the direction things stay.

00:57:58.040 I, I've written a book about why bureaucracy is going to eventually go left wing.

00:58:01.340 So I won't get into all the details now, but at least in these moments, you have opportunities

00:58:05.800 and you should take them.

00:58:06.620 Uh, Babalu says in the myths of always chimp, I found there was within me an invisible trust

00:58:14.160 the plan.

00:58:14.960 Uh, yeah, again, I, I, I think that it's key to continue to encourage the administration

00:58:19.880 to take action, to be strong, the main, and, and to be clear, guys, one of the main reasons

00:58:25.160 I make these overtures to people in power to take these actions is because so many conservatives

00:58:32.040 are still terrified of power.

00:58:33.900 So many conservative pundits, voters, even, even politicians are terrified of actually

00:58:40.360 taking action.

00:58:41.520 We need to give them the permission structure to do this stuff.

00:58:44.580 That's what you're doing.

00:58:45.500 When you're building this, you're building a, you're building a preference cascade.

00:58:49.240 You're building a permission structure.

00:58:51.260 Yes, of course, this is what's going to happen.

00:58:53.100 It has to happen.

00:58:54.340 You're going to make it happen.

00:58:55.360 Aren't you like that, though, that not, not, Oh, you're useless.

00:58:59.480 I'm discarding you.

00:59:00.400 I'm off the team.

00:59:01.340 You know, no, no, of course, as a Trump supporter, I'm going to see this happen from you guys.

00:59:06.760 Right?

00:59:07.000 Like that's, that's the stance you want to take positive pressure, right?

00:59:10.460 Like it's pressure, but it's positive pressure to continue that momentum that has already

00:59:15.020 been gained.

00:59:17.340 Nixon again says reconstruction requires electoral vote and a congressional delegation loss.

00:59:22.960 Yeah, again, um, obviously larger, larger problems with literal reconstruction, but as

00:59:28.400 Will said, as, as much as one can get done in this scenario, Latrita bidet, IRS enforcer, 0.98

00:59:35.640 possibly the best name in the game says, I'm sure the real estate investor in chief will

00:59:40.880 sort of this out.

00:59:42.160 It's 5d chess after all, trust the plan just two more weeks guys.

00:59:45.940 Again, I know you can black pill on this if you want, but in this scenario, I think the

00:59:51.620 path to victory is very clear.

00:59:53.240 I think it's very obvious.

00:59:54.240 I think the trend administration has stated their intention and laid out the plan as to

00:59:59.100 how they intend to get there.

01:00:00.560 I encourage you in this instance to give them positive enforcement to make this change.

01:00:05.220 Okay.

01:00:05.560 Again, understand the frustration, but let's push forward.

01:00:09.900 And mostly peaceful merchandise says chimp out with me now for wrath now for ruin. 1.00

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - January 19, 2026

Leftist Storm Minnesota Church, Violate Federal Law ｜ Guest： Will Chamberlain ｜ 1⧸19⧸26

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