The Auron MacIntyre Show - Leftists Are the Conservatives Now ｜ Wade Stotts ｜ 11⧸25⧸24

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00:00:30.120 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:32.080 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

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00:00:37.920 If you haven't noticed, the wave of Trump's victory is sweeping over pop culture.

00:00:43.240 You see John Jones offering his belt to Donald Trump as if he was some kind of king that had earned a tribute.

00:00:50.640 You see NFL players doing the dance, the Trump dance everywhere.

00:00:54.480 It seems more and more like pop culture is getting used to the idea that Donald Trump is here to stay and like the left is panicking and attempting to protect the cultural gains that they've made.

00:01:08.020 Wade Stotts just did a great video on why the left seemed to have become the conservatives now.

00:01:13.500 And I wanted to have him on to discuss this topic in more depth.

00:01:17.520 Wade, thanks for coming on, man.

00:01:19.040 Well, thank you for having me.

00:01:19.840 It's a thrill.

00:01:20.820 Absolutely.

00:01:21.360 You've kind of come to be known as the unofficial late night spokesman of the right wing.

00:01:27.860 I love it.

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00:01:36.840 I think you're doing an excellent job over there, man.

00:01:39.460 Well, thank you very much.

00:01:40.320 Yeah, it's been a lot of fun.

00:01:42.180 We've been doing it for a couple of years now, so it's good.

00:01:44.680 I'm glad people are still enjoying it.

00:01:47.000 Yeah, momentum is building and rightfully so.

00:01:49.460 Well, I want to dive into the topic of your latest video because I thought it had a lot of insights that we can kind of expand on,

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00:03:12.000 All right, Wade, so the basic premise of the video you just made was this point that I think is pretty clear for people if they take a second and think about it.

00:03:24.820 Conservatives have been fighting for what they saw as their culture being in danger, right?

00:03:31.240 There's constantly this relentless assault from the left on everything that we kind of held as American, that we understood as part of our core identity and beliefs.

00:03:42.620 And ultimately, it felt like the right was always on the back foot.

00:03:47.020 Conservatives were always failing to conserve anything because they never had the initiative.

00:03:52.540 It was always the left who were applying pressure.

00:03:54.860 They had kind of the mandate of heaven.

00:03:57.080 It was always the right shrinking away and always playing defense.

00:04:01.300 But now, after this Trump victory, it feels like the left are in somewhat of a similar situation.

00:04:08.140 Could you lay that out for the audience a little bit?

00:04:10.700 Yeah, this video started out with me trying to understand the feeling I think we all got at some level when we watched the Jaguar ad.

00:04:18.740 So that came across our screens and we all felt like it was trying to frame itself as this punk rock.

00:04:26.340 This is the rebellious culture, question everything, copy nothing.

00:04:32.540 And we all, as we watched it, just thought it felt tired immediately.

00:04:36.780 And that was, and along with the point you made about John Jones giving some kind of public decoration of his loyalty to Trump and like he loves Jesus and loves America.

00:04:48.940 And when he did that, it felt normal and it felt as a part of mainstream culture as anything could get.

00:04:56.500 And those things would happen once in a while.

00:04:59.260 I mean, those would show up, but it wouldn't be, it would be something that would pop up into our feeds and we'd go, wow, what an amazing thing he's done to stand up in this moment and do something so countercultural.

00:05:11.820 But immediately when that happened, when I first saw it, it didn't feel countercultural.

00:05:15.400 It felt like it was going along with something.

00:05:17.520 And then along, along with that, I, I was watching, I keep up with Jon Stewart as a part, as part of work, I do it for work.

00:05:26.680 So I was watching the latest Jon Stewart segment and he was talking about how he was frustrated with Democrats because they were just chasing around Trump people with the Constitution and going, excuse me, that doesn't, it says different here.

00:05:39.860 And so that, and he, he was saying, oh, that's how Democrats have always acted.

00:05:44.440 They've always acted as chasing around the Republicans who are really getting their stuff done, which is an insane, you know, gaslighting take on how, how Democrats work as, and leftists work generally.

00:05:54.980 But him complaining at this, that the Democrats are acting like we've been acting for a long time with the way that Republicans have been acting or the way that people who call themselves conservatives have just kind of made it all click together for me that these guys are.

00:06:10.640 Functionally in the same position that we were, have been for quite a bit of time.

00:06:15.460 And the fact that, yeah, he was, he was frustrated that they're, they're impotent whining and going on the news and talking about, oh, this is unconstitutional or, oh, this is not the norms or what about advising consent in the Constitution, all that stuff.

00:06:28.940 So in doing that, yeah, exactly what you said kind of fell into place where, yeah, these, these guys are the ones who are trying to protect the cultural ground that they have been gaining for the past few decades.

00:06:40.940 And a few decades is not a long time, but it is enough time to build at least what they've done.

00:06:46.400 And their building, as we both know, is mostly destructive building.

00:06:50.560 And so I, I saw on top of all this, as, as all this is swirling around in my head, I saw a post from blue sky, which is its own thing.

00:07:00.120 And we can talk about that, but it was this blue sky post where all of the left's accomplishments were lined up like dominoes.

00:07:06.560 Uh, and I should have sent that to you so we could show it, but, um, the last one being trans rights.

00:07:11.440 And then as you go backward, it goes into like women's rights and gay rights and all this stuff.

00:07:15.640 And then literacy is way back in the back, but what, how they see themselves now is we have built this edifice of, uh, you know, for the last few decades.

00:07:25.340 And now it's time for us to dig in while Trump assaults, basically all of our accomplishments.

00:07:31.340 Um, and you know, you could chalk that up to the left being dramatic or saying, oh, that he's not really going to go after their stuff.

00:07:38.560 But I, I like anything that makes them feel that way.

00:07:43.280 If, if they're feeling that way that I would like to cheer on any, anything that scares them.

00:07:48.300 So, but anyway, not anything.

00:07:50.540 I'm not, I'm not an insane person.

00:07:52.720 A few things you might, you might put me on.

00:07:54.620 Right.

00:07:54.780 Yeah, no.

00:07:55.520 But most things, most things.

00:07:57.040 Yeah.

00:07:57.180 Uh, so a couple of interesting things there, uh, when you made that point about, you know, John Jones and the, the first, as soon as I saw that John Jones moment, I knew something had shifted because John Jones, and it's been a long time since I've really followed UFC closely.

00:08:15.500 So don't, don't, I, I might be misspeaking if he's, you know, changed in some way, but John Jones, isn't a deeply ideological figure and remember him being a kind of a scumbag, uh, in, in, in different areas.

00:08:31.020 Uh, and so this is, this is a guy who is a weather vane, right?

00:08:35.740 Like he, he probably isn't a huge Trump supporter in general.

00:08:39.880 He probably doesn't think deeply about politics, but he recognizes this guy is victorious.

00:08:46.060 This guy has momentum.

00:08:47.980 This is a guy I want to be seen affiliating with.

00:08:51.220 Right.

00:08:51.480 And so he turns around kind of hands this, this belt to Trump and with all of the different NFL guys doing the dance and things like you said, it used to be if a celebrity came out and said, Oh, maybe I'm not super leftist.

00:09:04.920 Like maybe I voted for Mitt Romney at some point.

00:09:07.680 That was the end of their career.

00:09:08.920 Right.

00:09:09.220 Like that, that, that was over.

00:09:10.660 You were done.

00:09:11.340 You were ostracized.

00:09:12.600 This is going to get you completely exposed.

00:09:14.320 They might could come on like right-wing podcasts after that, but that's about it.

00:09:17.900 Right.

00:09:18.160 Right.

00:09:18.380 Like you're going to spend the rest of your life showing up on, you know, uh, on, on random small, uh, right-wing broadcast, but you're not, you're not going to get invited to any of the big casting meetings anymore.

00:09:29.120 And I'm sure that still exists to some extent in Hollywood.

00:09:32.080 Right.

00:09:32.480 Like I'm, we're not saying, Hey, this has been cleansed from the entirety.

00:09:35.840 The left has lost all of its institutional momentum and it's all over and, you know, great, great victory for MAGA.

00:09:43.420 It's, it's the end of the left, uh, forever, but there is a definitive shift where you can feel that, you know, the, the, the old saying is the, like you win, you win.

00:09:54.740 Right.

00:09:55.240 The man naturally picks the strong horse and, uh, for a lot of conservatives, they wanted to stand around forever and quote principle and these kinds of things, not recognizing that actually victory is the best, uh, way to actually convince people.

00:10:11.680 Like it's you, you, you, you win and then you convince them not the other way around, which is very hard in the logic of democracy for people that I think to grasp.

00:10:20.040 But you could see that ultimately the fact that Trump was victorious seemed to compel those that were on the edge to start announcing, okay, yes, I'm interested.

00:10:29.960 And, you know, I support him those that perhaps didn't think about it a lot, but we're adjacent, especially in kind of these more masculine spheres like the UFC.

00:10:39.860 This is something that I think it particularly, we see the cascade and more and more, it has been become okay.

00:10:45.860 And even trendy to recognize that Trump victory and want to be a part of it in some way, even if you're not a particularly political person.

00:10:54.000 Right. Well, and, and that it started at some level with athletes and pro-level athletes and highly accomplished pro-level athletes is a big deal because yes, these are, these are people who, as you just said, understand what winning is.

00:11:08.300 They're, they're not ideological people. They're not sitting around going, well, I've, I've taken the, uh, what was it? Yeah.

00:11:13.700 There were quizzes back in the day where you could take like, and go like, does this person's policy positions match mine?

00:11:19.520 Um, and then I, then I'll know by the end of this, who I should vote for. Like they haven't taken those quizzes and lined up with Trump in those ways.

00:11:25.980 They're just like, oh, this guy is a winner. And he's also like braggadocious. And he also has a spirit that I would like to be a part of.

00:11:32.980 Um, and at the same, at the same time, um, when, with this, uh, movement, it's because in, in the video, I talk a little about this, but like they've made Trump into over the past few years, this Uber celebrity, the, the celebrity above all celebrities.

00:11:48.560 And not because, uh, they like him, but because they want to turn him into Satan, like Satan incarnate is coming here. And, but they've talked about him constantly.

00:11:58.180 And so in doing that, um, if, as long as they're in control of the narrative, that's okay, because they have like, if, if they're casting their characters and they, and Trump is the most famous person in the world because he's Satan got it.

00:12:10.500 We're good. Um, but as soon as they lose track of the narrative, as soon as they lose control of the narrative, then all of a sudden that guy, uh, becomes at least not Satan, at least at some level more acceptable.

00:12:22.320 And so in doing that, they've now disempowered all of their go-to moves, which is going on all the late night shows, bringing out all of the, uh, celebrities like Taylor Swift and Beyonce.

00:12:33.400 Um, those just didn't move the needle in the same way because our, our candidate was the ultimate central figure of American culture.

00:12:43.180 Um, and I, I think that's something, the way in which they're responding to it shows that they've, they've kind of played this, uh, they've, they've played this hand and we're just, you know, having fun with it.

00:12:53.720 Yeah. It's funny because in the first campaign, a lot of the left eventually came to realize that their elevation of Trump, uh, by focusing on him is actually what won him the primary and the initial election, right?

00:13:08.480 The 2016 election, because he was always on morning Joe and everyone thought it was kind of a joke.

00:13:14.620 And isn't it fun that this guy's pretending this guy who was in the WWF is going to pretend like he's going to be, you know, the, the leader of the free world or whatever.

00:13:24.620 Isn't that cute?

00:13:25.480 In fact, the Hillary Clinton campaign, like specifically promoted Donald Trump as the candidate, if you remember, because they thought he would be so weak and so ridiculous.

00:13:35.720 And so they thought there was no cost to this.

00:13:37.740 It was just free ratings, making this guy into, you know, the boogeyman that, that they never were going to have to worry about.

00:13:43.340 And then he won.

00:13:44.660 And so many of them started to realize, oh, we gave this guy too much, but they couldn't stop themselves.

00:13:50.620 Like they continued to feed into this, even though now they were just calling him Hitler constantly.

00:13:55.620 Like you said, they basically want to just make him a proxy for Satan.

00:13:58.440 But the problem is what happens when over 50% of the country votes for Satan, right?

00:14:03.820 Yeah.

00:14:04.560 What happens when you say this guy is like the second coming of Hitler and the country's like, all right. 0.98

00:14:11.100 You know, right.

00:14:12.100 That really brings you to an impasse when like how, what you're, what you're now going to say, how you're going to escalate things, how you're going to be taken seriously, unless you're just going to assert that half the American population is just, you know, are Nazis, which seems to be the, the, the, now the continued plan.

00:14:33.360 But it's diminishing returns in popular politics here.

00:14:37.380 Yes.

00:14:37.720 And, and in the same segment that Jon Stewart did, he made fun of the Morning Joe people, Joe and Mika for going and talking to Trump.

00:14:48.660 But now they're, because he's in power and because they're basically loyalists to power, they can't keep the same attacks going.

00:14:57.900 So they're, they're just sort of going along with whatever's popular or whatever they feel is.

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00:15:19.760 Is beneficial to them personally.

00:15:22.760 SNL, not to continue to talk about comedy on television.

00:15:26.720 That is why I brought you in actually.

00:15:29.200 So SNL did, as soon as Trump won, so they had a show right after Trump won.

00:15:33.960 And their cold open was this, it started out as this, we all expected part two of Hillary playing the piano, right?

00:15:41.000 So that's what happened back in 2016.

00:15:43.180 But what they did is they had this thing that started out serious about how Trump is, has threatened his enemies and he's going to come in and do all this bad stuff.

00:15:51.340 And the joke, the turn was, and we have never doubted him for one moment.

00:15:56.660 And we hope that everything is going to be great.

00:15:58.700 You know, anybody who talks bad about him should be, you know, should, they should punish them, not us.

00:16:03.400 We're, we're totally on Trump's team.

00:16:05.140 Um, and the joke of that is, is a joke.

00:16:08.420 That was their attempt at a joke, but at some level they don't want to make him mad now.

00:16:13.180 They actually, they actually do.

00:16:14.980 They actually are people who just respond to incentives.

00:16:18.400 Uh, and comedians, just like anybody are just kind of a part of the population.

00:16:22.840 And so they're, they are probably not going to go as hard after him because at some level they really don't want, they really like having the position they have.

00:16:32.740 Everybody's trying to guard themselves.

00:16:34.280 Everybody's trying to hold on to, oh, I got, I got my big job.

00:16:37.080 Now I got to hold on to it.

00:16:38.440 Um, yeah, comedy is a bureaucracy.

00:16:40.520 Entertainment is a bureaucracy, just like everything else.

00:16:42.780 But yeah, like, I think that because that momentum is shifting, I think it would, it will be interesting to track, uh, Saturday Night Live sketches.

00:16:50.520 Um, though some people, uh, like the late night hosts have decided to continue to dig in, uh, and continue to act like, uh, fascism has come to America.

00:16:58.940 And here we are to try to like cry together and laugh together at the end of the day.

00:17:03.300 Yeah, it really does, again, give you this understanding that the problem with, let's say, Christian entertainment for the last, you know, decade or two, uh, that people have tried to make, you know, many people have famously pointed out it's, it's just bad for the most part.

00:17:21.820 Um, and, and the reason it's bad is not that Christians can't make entertainment.

00:17:27.400 In fact, most of the most glorious works of, of culture throughout our history have been made by Christians. 1.00

00:17:33.100 So it, that was not the problem.

00:17:35.280 The reason.

00:17:35.940 Hilarious, hilarious though, to call Bach entertainment.

00:17:38.280 I think that's very fun.

00:17:40.540 But go ahead.

00:17:42.360 It's, it's basically the same thing as Striper.

00:17:44.560 Uh, and so, yeah, um, and so the reason that it had failed was not that there was something.

00:17:51.820 inherently incompatible between great art or even good entertainment and christianity it was that

00:17:59.300 the christianity became the only thing that mattered right like the the the christianity

00:18:04.340 was forced in every scenario you could not communicate christian values through a entertaining

00:18:10.940 or a relatable story you had to put a sermon into each one of the shows or songs or whatever right

00:18:20.400 like that you had to interject that moment where you were just lecturing everyone on by the way in

00:18:26.120 case you didn't get the 19 subtle hints that kevin sorbo dropped here is a full-on preacher giving the

00:18:32.240 altar call at the end just to make clear now for a long time the left had that ability to just kind of

00:18:38.320 work their representations into the culture right they wrote interesting movies and songs and

00:18:44.860 everything else plays around their values but they didn't feel the need to like give the altar call

00:18:52.740 the altar call is a sign of desperation in your media right when you're like no you're not hearing

00:18:59.560 me when i was being subtle you didn't pay attention so now i'm going to scream at you and that feels

00:19:04.720 like what the late night stuff has i mean for for decades late night has subverted the american

00:19:10.640 experience american christianity you know our identities these things that we took seriously

00:19:16.060 our culture that has been its purpose but it did so in a fun light-hearted joyful warrior type of way

00:19:23.240 ultimately it was able to work in these critiques while still you know not having to beat you over

00:19:29.320 the head now they have to do it right they had no we there is no fun on this comedy show this comedy

00:19:36.300 show is about getting the biblical truth or you know the the the liberal truth as much as we can

00:19:42.000 deliver it and that's just destroying them like you said they they really do feel like the

00:19:46.260 conservatives in this moment right well and and like emphasizing your point even more when christian

00:19:53.880 media was successful or when people were excited about what was going on is when people were crossing

00:20:00.220 over so it was the crossover artist it was the person who could blend in and get involved but not

00:20:06.180 you know but nobody noticed that switchfoot was in that nicholas sparks movie or whatever

00:20:10.580 um and that was that was the biggest win that anybody could have um and yes you're right also that

00:20:17.060 the more overt the propaganda gets the more that that shows that you are in no power that you have

00:20:23.860 very little power you're just trying to uh what i've said before about late night shows is that

00:20:30.160 their job for the longest time was to uh if they address politics sort of uh police the boundaries

00:20:36.940 of normal or police the boundaries of neutral and so as long as they're working with a culture that

00:20:42.000 agrees with them entirely then all they have to do is sort of gesture at oh aren't we all sad that trump

00:20:47.640 won right oh that's that's kind of an old school so if you watch jimmy fallon again i'm talking about

00:20:52.320 comedy on television but if you watch jimmy fallon he's still trying to do that he's still trying to live

00:20:56.460 in the past where you can just go oh yeah it's such a bizarre sad thing that trump won uh and then do

00:21:02.500 jokes about like weed gummies or whatever about like i'm gonna have to go through a lot of weed gummies

00:21:06.600 but um what's the problem is that 50 of his audience at least i mean that's the electorate right so

00:21:13.600 50 of the audience or the electorate voted for trump 50 of his audience is not that is probably it's

00:21:19.540 probably more uh pro trump people but yeah they don't really know how to exist in a loser position

00:21:26.380 but because of the way that they're acting they are and you can see that i mean i mentioned blue sky

00:21:31.140 earlier you can see that with retreating from the main platforms where all the power is and where all

00:21:36.160 the momentum is so that they can just go exist on this parallel structure and pat each other on the

00:21:41.280 back um and i don't want to talk talk down or bad about the folks who wanted to start alternative

00:21:46.740 platforms i totally understand the the felt need for that at the time but sometimes that became

00:21:54.060 wishful thinking that we're going to be the real powerhouse over here on our alternative thing as

00:21:59.320 long as our servers don't get destroyed um but that that rebellious feeling but with no real power

00:22:07.480 is exactly what we're paralleling with the the blue sky situation uh and they may feel like they have

00:22:12.940 power but it's all the old power it's all the the old celebrities if you go to blue sky it's going

00:22:17.220 to be mark hamill and it's going to be i said the reading rainbow guy right levar burton is going to

00:22:21.920 tell is is he does not have the cultural power of kid rock right now which is wild to me but people

00:22:28.520 would make fun of during the trump campaign how lame it was that kid rock was endorsing trump oh oh it's

00:22:34.540 hulk hogan and kid rock and these sort of has-been whatevers but again they are in line with

00:22:40.200 the uber celebrity they are on the team of the guy that everybody is talking about constantly

00:22:45.060 and so kid rock i'm sure is doing way better now uh i'm sure his concerts are way fuller uh as along

00:22:52.280 with all the podcasts that jd vance and trump went on um that's like mainstream culture because people

00:22:59.280 can uh operate in a parallel structure but also have real political cultural power and so trump now has

00:23:06.380 the ability to confer that uh so he he by going on in this podcast world is getting some of their

00:23:12.760 credibility getting some of their uh their cultural cash but he's also conferring it on them so that

00:23:18.780 they can move on and then become the new late night hosts or whatever the replacement is uh in the future

00:23:24.520 yeah there there's this self-reinforcing aspect of it which how is how you know you are building

00:23:30.580 a new media ecosystem and i want to get deeper into especially that point you just made about

00:23:36.460 kind of the crossing over and what that means uh because now you know the the biggest thing is the

00:23:41.500 left wants to be on our platforms uh which is i think a huge shift but before we get to all that

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00:25:08.200 of great americans to learn more go to isi.org that's isi.org so a great point you were making before the break

00:25:18.280 was the fact that you can tell who has the power by how desperately you need to break into their spheres

00:25:27.440 right so when you're a christian conservative listening to christian music man like a switch foot or six

00:25:34.060 pence none the richer or someone like you know shows up on a major show or in a movie or something and

00:25:40.200 that's a huge deal because you are in this kind of subordinate ghettoized entertainment sphere and

00:25:47.560 whenever one of your people breaks through that's how you know they are relevant they're only relevant

00:25:52.880 when they're appealing appearing on these other platforms that we don't normally make our way into

00:25:58.320 and the fact that after the election the the big you know the left of course can't own any of its

00:26:06.100 doctrinal failures they can't own the fact that they like told half the country that they were

00:26:10.620 fascists and that they want to mutilate children and that the borders should be open even if your kid

00:26:16.080 dies from fentanyl or gets stabbed by an illegal immigrant like they can't own any of those positions 1.00

00:26:21.340 obviously so they're not going to address any of that their big takeaway was well we don't have any

00:26:27.060 media presence right like we don't like which is just an insane thing to say as you debate like on an

00:26:33.340 hbo show or in your new york times column but but it is a thing that they really did say out loud

00:26:39.220 repeatedly right like this is the problem it's the podcast bros you know joe rogan you know we can't

00:26:44.300 we can't get onto those shows now obviously that's not true in a large extent because i have every

00:26:51.460 confidence joe rogan would have had kamala harris on but kamala harris simply could not survive on the 0.99

00:26:56.980 joe rogan podcast because she's so stupid and so fake that she you know three hours in a 1.00

00:27:02.940 conversation like you could say donald trump went on a rabbit trail or said something silly

00:27:06.840 but he you know he can get on a show for three hours and look like a human being kamala harris

00:27:12.420 cannot do that she simply does not have that kind of capacity and so they're complaining about well

00:27:18.120 we don't have the access to podcasts or whatever that they do and it seems absurd until you realize

00:27:24.380 oh no actually this is the relevant media now you know we've talked about alternative media platforms

00:27:29.740 we've talked about for for a year i mean my entire life at being in the conservative sphere is when

00:27:36.060 will you know we alternative media it's day is coming it's finally coming i think it it actually

00:27:42.460 did finally come i think this was the election that said no actually the alternative media is the media now

00:27:48.440 the the kind of boomers hypnotized by the tv that that is dying out both generationally and

00:27:54.560 technologically uh the idea that that those mainstream uh are those mainstream sources are

00:28:00.740 going to continue to just have this lock on what is relevant the culture is just completely wasting

00:28:05.460 away and the liberals who have been more or less ignoring a lot of the sphere uh are starting to

00:28:11.080 realize that holding the prestige of uh the you know the new york times or something is not going to

00:28:15.700 be sufficient because actually joe rogan is just a better source of news 90 of the time than your

00:28:21.660 newspaper at this point yeah and when you mentioned like trump may have gone on rabbit trails may have

00:28:27.360 said something silly i think that folks who listen to the joe rogan experience are expecting rabbit

00:28:33.040 trails and people saying things that are silly uh they're not expecting a 15 minute news hit they're

00:28:38.340 not expecting a hard-hitting uh policy discussion they're expecting another episode so a lot of people

00:28:44.560 i'm sure just clicked over to the next episode and wow trump's on it uh though i was one who was like oh

00:28:49.840 i got i make i'll make sure to check out this episode um but that's that was some of the magic

00:28:54.880 of what those shows were like it just felt like another episode of the theo vaughn podcast or it

00:28:59.780 just felt like another episode of joe rogan or another episode of like those people who have built

00:29:04.780 up these relationships through alternative media it's not just that they're trying to do tv on the

00:29:11.480 internet so the podcast a podcast is not the same thing as the news on the internet which is why

00:29:17.140 anytime somebody tries that stuff it just doesn't work um so when when somebody listens to a joe rogan

00:29:22.820 episode and hears trump talk about whales and uh windmills they're like whales and windmills that

00:29:27.960 sounds like a joe rogan episode like that's the exact thing that i would expect here um so it's there's

00:29:33.320 it does bring comfort to those people i think there's another strange thing that um is that the

00:29:40.300 effect that this might have in the future on what mainstream media tries to do so people recognized

00:29:47.260 the that there was some amount of a connection between like the top gun maverick phenomenon of

00:29:52.360 2002 or 2002 of 2022 uh with the somebody feeling like this embodies an american ethos that's lost at

00:30:01.100 some level and that being something that leads toward something like a 2024 election um and so like when

00:30:08.460 um we had uh we did a discussion here uh at canon press with uh indy wilson who's done some work in

00:30:15.120 hollywood and and stuff but somebody asked in the chat whether how this whole thing how the trump

00:30:20.120 election would impact hollywood and he had some interesting thoughts one of them being that uh there

00:30:25.700 will be obviously some folks who will double down so there will be folks who go okay well we just need

00:30:30.240 to go harder we just need to make things that are more woke uh and uh you know not put away the woke for

00:30:35.700 sure uh and then on the other like on the other hand there will be sort of a yellow stoning push you

00:30:41.020 know like the uh some some people who are trying to ape the aesthetics of americana with like you

00:30:47.140 know hick lib understandings all underneath it and then kamala advertisement there with the exactly i

00:30:53.380 know how to eat a steak with my limp wrist so we're gonna get a lot more of those treats i i assume

00:30:58.980 probably in narrative form that that that guy who made that ad is going to get some movie deal

00:31:04.020 um and then another thing he said is that optimism like the thing that people will probably try to

00:31:10.400 appeal to uh the pro trump people is optimism and storytelling um so we'll have the pessimism we'll

00:31:16.760 have the oh satan's in charge of the world and like all these terrible depressing stories but we'll

00:31:21.120 also have a movement toward people trying to appeal to a sense that the future is better than the

00:31:26.920 than things have been in the past and i think that is interesting like i'm interested in if we have

00:31:32.180 more stuff like i mean i love rocky you know like i think that there will be a time where that kind of

00:31:36.960 thing makes sense in american pop culture even if it's a cynical cash grab by a bunch of uh hollywood

00:31:42.720 elites who just want to like sell to people who i guess they feel like things are going well okay

00:31:47.560 cool we'll we'll give them some uh whatever this version of it is but yeah they it's they don't

00:31:54.180 understand these are the same people who don't understand why like obama and springsteen's

00:31:59.400 podcast didn't do well so like they they're still trying to understand like we gave them barack

00:32:05.060 obama and bruce springsteen the two most famous guys that we have and the podcast lasted 18 episodes

00:32:10.880 and went nowhere i'm sorry was this a thing like it was a thing there i i didn't even know it existed

00:32:16.660 i'd never i will send it to you i will send it to you and so that you can listen to it uh yeah i'm sure

00:32:21.360 that you'll just block off hours of your time so you can listen to barack obama and bruce springsteen

00:32:25.680 but yeah like those that's their version of this like they they can't do it they can try to pretend

00:32:31.740 and they can but at the end at bottom of it we all know that it's phony uh and we know how easy it

00:32:37.300 is at some level to put together something that's phony a phony image for the news that can last 20

00:32:42.400 minutes or even last the length of an entire debate wow wow wow um but then by the end you realize

00:32:48.500 like oh it people going on rabbit trails people going on podcast stuff like that's that's a human

00:32:53.720 being that's like i've i've now have access to that person not just in a um yeah not in a curated way

00:33:01.240 and also not in a put on fireside chat kind of way but like i i now know exactly what uh i don't know

00:33:08.720 people can make fun of trump for being uh like stream of consciousness but uh that's good at some

00:33:14.440 level it it like means that he's really bad at being phony uh which is refreshing yeah there is a

00:33:21.780 a huge shift yeah i'm somebody who often has to do like a tv hit and then turn around and do a two

00:33:28.540 hour podcast appearance and just that that gear change is dramatic and boomers expected kind of

00:33:37.180 that packaging every time they interacted with media but the you know the level of kind of openness and

00:33:43.580 sincerity that is often a little more evident overexposed uh long exposure in a podcast is

00:33:50.340 becoming more and more valuable i think to a lot of people a lot of people have pointed out you know

00:33:55.960 guys like jordan peterson selling out arenas you know giving hour or two hour long talks on the truth

00:34:02.280 or the bible these kind of things obviously that's a shift in and of itself but when you're doing this

00:34:07.000 kind of content you just realize you know i've always kind of mixed it up between the the shorter

00:34:10.920 form and then the longer form discussions like the one we're having now and there's a different

00:34:16.740 response to this on a regular basis it's not that there isn't still a value to that polished content

00:34:22.700 being delivered at the proper time but ultimately people i think have recognized that there's a level

00:34:29.360 of fakeness that just gets selected for when you are pushing everything into these shorter time frames

00:34:37.340 these highly edited time frames and left was very good for that on that for a very long time but it

00:34:42.460 lost the ability it lost the muscle to have an extended conversation about anything and the minute

00:34:48.200 that any of these people were exposed to that they just kind of fell apart so yeah maybe trump doesn't

00:34:54.320 give exactly the the answer you'd hope it's maybe not polished or spot on but i mean look at what

00:34:59.580 happened to ron de santis right who like i think is an excellent governor but you know how how does that

00:35:04.420 uh how does that consultant focus style delivery work over the long term actually people over and

00:35:12.000 over again are rejecting that and trying to find something that has a little more of an organic feel

00:35:17.520 to it on a regular basis right yeah and and the the medium allows for that and so as as things have

00:35:25.540 shifted um folks folks can show elements of the personality that they couldn't do like if if jordan

00:35:31.260 peterson jordan peterson is at his best i mean at his best in that kind of long form free associating

00:35:37.080 though this makes me think of that kind of context if jordan peterson were to try to do a five minute

00:35:42.660 news hit or if he were to debate you know jordan peterson destroys leftist in five minutes on the news

00:35:48.240 like that just wouldn't wouldn't work it wouldn't be quite as good at it because he would have to

00:35:51.440 sit there and think for 30 seconds about that what that person just said um and so i i like i said like

00:35:56.740 you said there's value to both but the skills don't transfer and so if we then are now having

00:36:04.260 to watch a bunch of people try to learn a new skill try a bunch of uh leftists who have now trained their

00:36:11.000 entire lives to be this type of person uh now try to make their way here i it it won't succeed at the

00:36:16.680 same level because they didn't have to build it here um they're they're trying to grab skill sets

00:36:21.560 that were built for news it's why don lemon's podcast doesn't work like don nobody cared about

00:36:26.180 don lemon because he wasn't a part of the regime anymore he wasn't a part of uh power anymore so

00:36:30.800 the even even his partnership with x didn't last very long um but he he tried to do it he tried to

00:36:35.980 do his whole thing and now he's doing tiktok videos uh so you see you see like um the i did a whole video

00:36:43.360 on don lemon when uh called when the regime is done with you um because he everybody knew that he was

00:36:49.920 basically a hack and couldn't really host a show very well but he had been given cnn and

00:36:55.600 they are now realizing that their own platforms all the best prizes that they can hand out

00:37:00.800 just don't work anymore there's a there's a great scene in um in tom wolf's book uh the bonfire of

00:37:07.100 the vanities where uh sherman mccoy is sitting across from his dad and he's come sherman mccoy is

00:37:12.760 this guy who's gotten himself in a lot of trouble i won't ruin the book for anybody he's got himself in

00:37:16.320 a lot of trouble and he's come to ask his dad for help and then slowly through the course of the

00:37:20.300 conversation he realizes that all of the numbers in his dad's rolodex can't fix his problem and so

00:37:26.980 these names on this rolodex used to mean a lot and used to be able to used to could clean up all

00:37:33.460 this stuff but that era has passed now and he's in he's has a new problem that can't be fixed by

00:37:39.520 uh these people anymore and i think that's where the left find themselves they they have a new problem

00:37:44.200 and all the old solutions uh just don't all the all the ways in which they've been able to confer

00:37:50.200 and also take away uh any kind of uh credibility just don't fire in the same way and this is really

00:37:59.600 important because everything we've talked about here i think only reinforces the validity of um

00:38:06.200 elite theory as is often talked about uh on my channel and and others in this sphere

00:38:11.580 most people are not heavily ideological they go where power is they they want to receive uh prestige

00:38:21.520 they want to receive status they want to be close to power and so when you see a true shift a true

00:38:30.400 win in the elite sphere everything else moves you don't need to actually convince every you know uh

00:38:39.260 woman watching msnbc on her third bottle of wine like that's not actually necessary if you can shift 0.99

00:38:47.720 elite culture if you can if you can nudge it even a little bit the rest of culture moves with you

00:38:53.800 and the fact that so many people is the the minute that the prestige is no longer attached that power is

00:39:01.300 no longer attached they will shift their ideology or they will find ways to tell themselves that they're

00:39:08.180 okay with the new with the new thing really reflects that and ultimately it's also important because

00:39:14.500 we had so many people who were competent who were left outside of the regime right they were people who

00:39:21.220 had unacceptable political beliefs or they had the wrong skin color or you know the wrong religion 0.79

00:39:27.280 or whatever they didn't they weren't blessed by the civil rights act uh you know whatever the thing it

00:39:32.840 was that fell short there are so many people building up outside of the normal spheres of power

00:39:38.560 and that's a problem because it means that those spheres of power actually atrophy uh even though it

00:39:44.360 seems like a good move because you're separating people who don't agree with you you're gatekeeping

00:39:48.660 you're creating this moment where your ideological conformity dominates inside every one of these spheres

00:39:53.880 you lose the innovation you lose connection to kind of uh events that are really occurring you lose a connection

00:40:00.840 to those undercurrents that are uh building up inside of your culture and then when there's one of these

00:40:06.680 seismic shifts you don't know what happened right and this is where you see a real circulation of elites

00:40:12.280 all of these guys were building in tech all these guys were building up an alternative media all of these

00:40:17.720 guys were building up in spheres like mine where we're doing you know semi-academic work outside of academia

00:40:24.840 what happens when all of those spheres suddenly get turned upside down and start becoming irrelevant

00:40:30.120 simultaneously right you this is why the left is panicking oh no one's listening to our our media

00:40:35.160 but also no one's listening to our health experts no one's listening to our foreign policy experts no

00:40:40.280 one's listening to our education experts it's not just one failure it's a cascade across every domain

00:40:48.040 they use to completely dominate where more competent people who are more in touch with what is happening

00:40:53.800 are suddenly circulating in and they are panicking for i think all the right reasons really yeah well and and

00:40:59.960 how great was it that two weeks after trump's election i don't know if it was to the day but

00:41:04.840 is when elon's spacex went to go rescue the nasa astronauts that have been stranded at the iss

00:41:12.840 and uh and everybody's watching on this live stream and so we have not just not just like cultural power

00:41:18.360 but also literal power that the regime doesn't have they're they have they're having to go to elon to

00:41:23.800 bail them out of a situation that they created and uh there's there's a real like con like conference of

00:41:29.720 legitimacy that happens in that moment okay i guess we're gonna have to go to go to elon yeah like elon

00:41:35.320 sorry like we made our entire space program a jobs program for people who are like non-binary uh do you got 0.97

00:41:44.200 any of that competency over there that you can actually use yeah exactly and like i i said this in the

00:41:50.680 video but like elon is has been such a huge piece of this so not just in spacex but also in the

00:41:56.680 ability for people to be able to speak their minds about things so uh you mentioned the term preference

00:42:02.760 cascade but in order for a preference cascade to happen you have to have a bunch of preference

00:42:06.920 falsification so you can't you have to have a bunch of people who have held back their true beliefs for

00:42:13.000 long enough and then everybody's kind of looking around just as you were talking about earlier people

00:42:18.360 looking around to try to figure out what's okay to believe here and they have their private thoughts

00:42:22.920 in their head and i guess i can't say that out loud now until somebody can say that out loud until

00:42:29.240 somebody can say i don't know if i trust the government to decide when lockdown ends or something

00:42:35.880 like that so like as soon as somebody is able to step forward then other people can join and so since

00:42:42.200 the regime knows that and since the old regime at twitter knew that then they would just cancel

00:42:47.000 everybody who would step forward first or they would delete the accounts or they would uh you

00:42:51.160 know suppress the tweets but now with elon people can register their dissent in public and gather a

00:42:58.440 following and that that at some level starts the dam to break so we have all this falsification and

00:43:04.520 then we have a few people and then the more people who step up the more normal it starts to be so i

00:43:09.160 wouldn't be surprised if the trump dance becomes a phenomenon that just happens like that's the new

00:43:14.280 touchdown dance but it started with a couple of people one guy who was willing to get a fine

00:43:19.000 for pointing at his maga hat uh and then after that slowly okay i guess that's this is just what

00:43:24.600 touchdown dances are this is just like this is the signal that we're having fun and we're on the side

00:43:30.360 and and i gotta you know like being on the side of power it actually it's really fun to be on this

00:43:34.760 side on this on this side of that uh of like to look over there and say oh they're they're acting like

00:43:39.720 the losers now yippee yeah winning is fun wade starts it is fun yeah i'll take your more succinct

00:43:48.920 version and call it mine i like it no the um the fact that like you said you're now getting your

00:43:55.720 touchdown dances from the head republican politician instead of a music video like that means something

00:44:04.040 it certainly does and earlier you pointed out that the left for the first time has something to defend

00:44:12.360 right for a very long time they were involved in unspooling civilization okay here is kind of

00:44:19.880 protestant christian anglo america as we found it we don't want it to be this anymore so we're a

00:44:26.760 coalition of people who kind of want to deconstruct every aspect of that from family to language to

00:44:33.400 religion uh you know history it's all gotta go and for the last you know at least 60 years i would

00:44:40.760 argue longer the left has basically coalesced around this principle of we may not share everything

00:44:47.800 right we may have a devout muslim next to a transgender 12 year old but the thing that we can 0.93

00:44:53.560 all get together and do is dismantle america as we portray it in the 1950s right that's kind of their 0.59

00:45:00.040 entire uh their entire project but at some point they hit that inversion where they had to start

00:45:06.440 building things right and when they started building things the things they built were kind

00:45:11.400 of this inverted pyramid of dei bio-linenism right like let's just take the people who are least

00:45:18.280 competent in our society and put them at the top of this thing simply because they have x number of

00:45:23.960 traits that didn't get uh you know didn't exist in the original founding of the united states and as

00:45:29.720 we stack those up like that's what will will put you in power and that's great but like over time you

00:45:35.560 build a bunch of institutions that can't do anything as we we already pointed out but now you have to

00:45:41.400 defend that structure and because that structure is incompetent uh the only way to defend that structure

00:45:47.080 at this point is to just say well you're a fascist if you don't want to right like they can't be

00:45:52.680 like oh well we have to be careful about dismantling this because if we dismantle the cdc then maybe we

00:45:57.400 won't get good guidelines on well if we dismantle the fda then maybe we would okay well maybe if we

00:46:03.320 dismantle the united nations you know like you run down all of these uh these institutions and it's

00:46:08.280 just stuff any human who wants anything approaching a competent society wants to dismantle anyway and the

00:46:15.400 only the only way left to defend them is basically just like you were saying trump is satan trump is

00:46:20.520 satan trump is site and that's all they have left and so the the the the mentality of defending

00:46:26.360 something is is very different from the mentality of dismantling it and they went from somewhat

00:46:32.280 trendy to just the worst after school special conservatism you could imagine basically overnight

00:46:39.400 because of this yeah and and what you exactly what you just said is that the only thing holding

00:46:44.600 together everything that they built is their narrative and so as soon as you lose narrative

00:46:49.560 control then the structure that you've built on top of that can't stand uh i mean we talked about i

00:46:55.400 mean competency is one kind of standard but you can justify having an incompetent workforce or having an

00:47:01.720 incompetent institution with a narrative if you have enough control over it uh and you can you can justify

00:47:07.320 really anything any kind of action that you would want to take uh it might seem insane to normal

00:47:12.600 people who aren't living outside of the the leftist narrative but as long as you can appeal to it and

00:47:17.640 that's the dominating narrative uh then you're going to be fine you can you can justify your actions

00:47:22.680 but because they don't have the narrative control anymore they all of the things that they used to

00:47:27.480 do to justify their actions are gone um and so that's that's really good the the challenge then is being

00:47:34.680 able to cohere the this whatever this new movement is to be able to cohere around a new narrative

00:47:41.000 that is pro america that loves all the things that that somehow all of the things that these people

00:47:47.080 have gathered together to fight can then turn into something that they all love so if if this if the

00:47:53.640 trump coalition can be built together by fighting one thing at some at some point they have to coalesce

00:47:59.480 around an alternative narrative and the core of that being that america is cool and it's fun and we're

00:48:05.800 having a good time and then it has to go deeper than that it has to go be fuller but i think i i see

00:48:10.760 narrative challenges as being the main thing that faces the trump movement or the mega movement or

00:48:16.440 whatever this new thing is so uh a little shift in seriousness but i do want to touch on this because

00:48:24.440 just you know while while briefly this is very important but it seems to be that before trump leaves

00:48:32.760 office and yeah i know i noticed that some of our european friends like morgoth were saying uh it

00:48:38.360 is the most insane thing in the world that the american system allows for an election and then

00:48:43.560 basically a couple months for the outgoing regime to destroy the world before the new one comes in

00:48:49.880 i think he's got a fair point there but that's a great line yeah but uh but basically we're watching

00:48:55.160 this scenario where uh they are terrified of trump coming in they really are and and and a lot of people

00:49:01.800 some have been you know enthusiastic about his picks some have been very down on them uh we've

00:49:06.760 talked a little bit about that and prudentialist and i got into it on friday for people who want to

00:49:11.320 want to look at that a little more but ultimately uh it is clear that some level of the bureaucracy is

00:49:17.960 truly worried about trump coming in and cleaning house right and so it seems like the last thing

00:49:26.760 they're doing before they leave is just destroying america as quickly as possible uh like the bide

00:49:32.280 administration has basically been like all right well we only got two months left borders are really

00:49:36.360 open guys like really just everybody in you know like they're they're out there they're they're just

00:49:41.560 airlifting the entire uh you know island of haiti in like it's you know there's some guy with a big

00:49:47.640 net just scooping up patients and dropping them into into every red state they can find uh yeah they're

00:49:54.280 grabbing barbecue yeah it's everything yeah it's like everything it's insane but the the most insane

00:49:59.720 one the most dangerous one of course seems to be the obsession with starting world war three before

00:50:04.760 trump enters so last time trump was in office basically the way that they kept him from doing

00:50:11.960 most of what he wanted to do was the russia collusion scandal right everything was actually trump's

00:50:17.400 a russian agent and he's fighting on behalf of vladimir putin and we have to go through all of

00:50:22.440 these different investigations and and he's relentlessly defending himself he's always on the

00:50:26.600 back foot and therefore he doesn't actually get anything done because he's spending all this time

00:50:31.400 chasing that wheel so the the original narrative to kind of keep trump from doing anything is trump is

00:50:37.080 is an agent of russia now it seems like the key is going to be getting trump to fight russia right

00:50:43.480 like the like the ukraine war is a disaster ukraine has been losing for a long time uh you know this

00:50:49.320 is not me celebrating that but it's just a obvious fact at this point uh anyone who told you otherwise

00:50:56.680 was just a liar uh it's not that ukraine can't win battles or something but ultimately they were 0.68

00:51:01.960 always going to be in a very dangerous position going up against a foe like russia and the fact 0.85

00:51:07.800 that their entire military strategy is basically uh to drag the rest of nato into world war three 0.92

00:51:15.400 uh you know that that is literally vladimir zelinski's only hope it it's all that's the

00:51:20.040 only thing he ever had uh we've made it clear that we're willing to send him all kinds of uh material

00:51:25.880 and support ultimately and it just has not worked like it turns out that the entire you know shell

00:51:31.320 output of the united states and the rest of nato is insufficient uh to fight a war against russia uh

00:51:38.440 and now you're at this point where america has authorized firing american missiles into russia

00:51:45.080 itself so it's not even it's not even that we're just funding them you know we're just sending arms

00:51:49.960 to someone fighting russia which itself would be bad you know bad for uh trying to increase tensions

00:51:55.080 but we're saying no take our stuff and fire it right at the russian homeland go for it you know

00:52:00.440 this is the plan and also newly coming out in the new york times is the fact that the

00:52:06.360 bide administration has seriously discussed the possibility of returning nuclear weapons to ukraine

00:52:13.640 uh which you know the plan is like that will be the deterrent right is we'll just we'll just move

00:52:17.720 that in this seems absolutely insane but it it really is the level of escalation that the regime is going

00:52:25.400 into with just two months before trump arrives in the white house yeah i my i think that they're just

00:52:32.920 hoping that the bombs cover the sounds of the paper shredders that are all going on i think that's 0.52

00:52:38.200 that's probably what's happening it's a big it's a nice fun distraction uh for them but it all yeah

00:52:42.280 like it is it is wild that they resort to all of their most like dastardly stuff as they're going out

00:52:50.200 um but again it just it also shows desperation of the regime so like if if this is something that

00:52:56.760 they were hoping yeah they're hoping that trump goes into a really weak position it it would be

00:53:02.280 from what i understand not uh i don't know that putin at some level from what i understand it would

00:53:08.680 be strange for him to start a war with the united states a month out from when somebody he can work

00:53:14.520 with is about to be in charge right but what they're hoping is that he has no choice so they're

00:53:20.120 hoping to put him in a position where i can't let this keep going on um yeah it's it is utterly cynical

00:53:26.760 and get like gives a lie to the idea that this was all um not at all you know that this that this

00:53:33.480 was some kind of moral fight that it just has to be this is this is uh standing up for the little guy

00:53:39.160 uh the fact that they're escalating it now uh plainly in a in an attempt to like change american

00:53:45.400 politics shows that yes this has become a big proxy thing that we we get to go send our weapons to

00:53:51.240 um and yeah no it's it's it's always been at some level a money laundering thing for washington uh but

00:53:58.040 now it's a money laundering thing where it could actually just turn into outright war and money

00:54:02.520 laundering well i mean it's very clear for a long time and especially becomes you know even more clear

00:54:07.880 when you look at the hunter biden stuff when it comes from bio weapon experiments to you know sex

00:54:14.760 trafficking to weapons or whatever it's been very clear for a long time that ukraine has basically 0.66

00:54:20.920 been the playground of western oligarchs right like whatever horrible stuff you want to sell sell it

00:54:28.120 through ukraine ukraine if you want to develop something develop ukraine so at some level you wonder

00:54:33.240 can they let russia occupy ukraine lest russia discover all of the things that the west was doing and

00:54:41.560 make it public that you know what what these guys were doing and again i i sympathize with ukrainians

00:54:47.720 that do not want to be part of russia i you know i this is not me rooting for you know their their con

00:54:54.600 you know them being conquered or anything but obviously there are russians in ukraine that want to

00:54:59.880 be part of russia and so it feels like there could have been some kind of deal worked out you know pretty

00:55:05.480 early on to avoid this and yet it was very clear that it was important to continue this

00:55:11.480 and now you're ramping it up to this insane position uh that just like you said it would be

00:55:17.480 foolish of vladimir putin to enter into a war at this point you're you're you're literally a month

00:55:22.040 and a half from probably being able to figure out a peace deal it would be you know they they would

00:55:27.400 really have to do something insane however that does seem to be the plan is to get as close as

00:55:32.120 possible or jump deeply over the line repeatedly daring vladimir putin saying oh well you're just gonna

00:55:38.440 let us do whatever we want you know right before this happens hoping hope hopefully to draw him off

00:55:43.960 sides before you know he can end up uh getting getting a a peace deal through trumpet and kind

00:55:49.400 of ending this conflict so it is the most deeply cynical thing that you can imagine and it really

00:55:56.200 just shows you that there is very little that the regime won't do to try to sideline trump and make it

00:56:04.440 very difficult for him like you said you know the the people the uh the department of defense um

00:56:09.800 probably got a few few skeletons in the closet probably working that that shredder over time

00:56:13.720 but if you can get get a you know war plan spooled up then maybe trump doesn't have time to go through

00:56:19.000 and weed everybody out of that department he's got other things he's got to do and that does genuinely

00:56:24.360 seem to be part of their plan yeah and and with with covid it really hit him personally uh i think trump

00:56:32.360 had to get into it mainly because he's personally a germaphobe so they got they got him on that

00:56:37.000 because he's personally a germaphobe and then if they get him into a war then that's just also like

00:56:42.120 linking him at some level with russia or or if trump has too good of a relationship with putin and is able

00:56:49.560 to at some level work out a peace deal uh slow things down get him on the phone now um then attacking

00:56:56.040 him as being a guy who just wants russia to run rampant over the entirety of europe uh could be

00:57:02.680 a really easy way for people to try to get trump out of office here uh so if if all of that activity

00:57:07.880 that's going on over there really is proxy stuff for what's going on here um then you know yeah war

00:57:15.160 could be really bad like work obviously for uh for trump but also like at some level him working out a

00:57:21.640 peace deal may be the the way that they're trying to get this uh get him out as well um i guess they're

00:57:29.640 hoping for either outcome they can get trump out right yeah i mean it it does it does feel like building

00:57:36.040 up that connection with russia yeah you could renew those lines of though they don't you know they were

00:57:41.000 probably banking on having control of one of the houses of the legislature to move any of that but they

00:57:48.200 don't even have that at this point which again only speaks to the desperation of their situation

00:57:53.240 right as you as you pointed out repeatedly in the video and and today proximity to power is what

00:57:58.360 matters for these platforms and all of these guys are now going to be impotently screaming oh we have

00:58:03.400 to do something about trump we have to do something trump well what are you going to do are you going

00:58:06.680 to bring him before the supreme court that he appointed or you're going to you know you're going to ask

00:58:10.920 his republican legislature to call him up on charges like you can you can try to smear him but you

00:58:17.160 you don't have the control of government that allows you to bring you know all these different

00:58:21.960 trump uh you know uh loyalists and stuff in front of committees for hearings and and questions and all

00:58:28.600 these things you simply don't have the ability to prosecute that the way that you did before

00:58:33.400 you you hope i guess as the left that your deeply seated control of the of the deep state

00:58:39.080 will will save you in this moment but it seems like trump is aware of that so many of the you know

00:58:44.600 and i'm sure a lot of it's bluster but we've already heard about doj officials and dod officials

00:58:49.640 you know oh we've got to leave we all got to get out of here these are all jobs that trump gets to

00:58:55.240 fill without having to fire anybody if there really is a mass exodus from these uh from these different

00:59:00.280 institutions when trump enters office that only secures his ability to make sure that there's

00:59:05.560 really nothing the left can do to sideline his agenda right and as the the point that i think we're

00:59:11.720 both making is that this is an insane amount of momentum and an insane amount of power that are

00:59:17.320 at least insane relative to where the right has been in the past um and so if that momentum if we

00:59:24.840 can hold on to that because the right at some level in america has been um used to losing and sort of

00:59:32.360 being in that position for a long time getting a lot of those same people to then act like winners is

00:59:37.400 going to be a tough sell and be a tough operation like a tough os update to okay you you are now the

00:59:43.160 winners and now you're supposed to act like it um and so the hope is that that can that change can

00:59:48.200 happen and if it can't happen then a lot of replacement of those uh right-wing elites needs

00:59:53.320 to happen as well because if i mean one one reason that i'm thankful that trump uh lost in 2020 is that we

01:00:00.520 have jd vance as uh part of the movement um not that i you know i i didn't i wouldn't wish that uh

01:00:06.440 in a vacuum but jd vance being a replacement for mike pence mike pence being a guy who knows how to

01:00:12.680 lose really well knows how to be in that position of the person who's uh fact checking everybody in

01:00:17.240 or like constitution checking everybody um i i think that the the momentum that we have i think we

01:00:22.440 can hold on to because of the way that that movement has undergone the character change that it's

01:00:28.040 undergone in the past four years uh i think is is promising and i'm i'm hopeful but i'm i uh yeah

01:00:33.960 i hope i hope that we can coalesce as a narrative uh under with a narrative and also act like winners

01:00:41.400 uh now that we are yeah they have already seen you know some uh big accounts and uh you know the

01:00:48.360 libertarians you know creeping in and being like oh well power you got to be careful if you you give the

01:00:54.360 government power might get used against you uh you know we're already seeing that kind of loser

01:00:59.160 mentality creep in in some of these areas uh ran paul wrote something about how you you don't use the

01:01:06.120 military for deportations you know rand is good on a lot of stuff but it's like okay man i i need you

01:01:12.760 to break out of this like we don't have we don't have time to we can there we don't have time for

01:01:18.120 another cycle of controlled opposition we simply do not have time right the the country cannot afford

01:01:25.240 to go through this again where we do like the reagan retrenchment and things get a little better

01:01:30.200 but we're just setting ourselves down a path ultimately to just ratchet farther and farther

01:01:35.160 because the next click uh for the left is over the cliff like so you can't you can't sit here and be

01:01:41.480 like oh well you know well ultimately uh we we can't really take any power or make any big changes

01:01:46.680 because it could come back and and and hit us hard like no you you've got to recognize that

01:01:51.560 if you do not shake the foundation of these institutions now uh then this will all just

01:01:56.760 snap back into place the minute trump's gone yeah and we're in a position now uh because that coalition

01:02:02.440 is so broad to engage in a lot of debate which i think is a way better position than it would have been

01:02:07.720 if harris were in power um but it's still a contentious position to be in so they're going to be

01:02:13.960 a lot of people within that coalition who want one thing and some people who want another

01:02:17.720 um and so because i'm a girard fan i know that because we're close now because all these people

01:02:23.480 are now want the same thing or got in they got in because they hate the same thing or whatever

01:02:28.840 um that's where the new conflicts are going to be so the more alike we are the more likely that

01:02:35.320 conflict is going to come in uh and so i my hope is that we can recognize the girardian nature of that and

01:02:41.480 uh also be able to accomplish things make wins that are not uh at the expense of past wins or at the

01:02:48.440 expense of future wins yeah the nexus runs through peter thiel's own uh personal collection of of

01:02:56.360 philosophers but yeah no uh all right guys let's uh let's move over to our questions of the day from our

01:03:05.000 audience uh before we do wade where can people find your excellent show well i'm on youtube uh the wade show

01:03:11.000 with wade and i'm also on x and uh at canon plus we have the i have the wade show with wade uh on

01:03:17.960 that's public and then the podcast is over on canon plus at canonplus.com yeah you know we've won when

01:03:25.080 elon buys msnbc and wade becomes the late night host that's that's really what that would be a blast

01:03:31.640 that would be a blast do it from the rachel maddow set like 0.96

01:03:37.800 all right i would love it yeah i won't change a thing i'll just go in and just you just sit right

01:03:41.880 down uh all right i love it you have to get her exact glasses though i need you oh yeah yeah no yeah

01:03:48.760 robert winesfield here says uh the wade show with wade is absolute gold many people are saying if you can

01:03:54.600 deny well thank you robert uh john morton says a great show guys uh slightly off topic but have

01:04:02.120 you considered interviewing michael sweet about his career i would love to interview uh michael

01:04:07.560 sweet or anyone from striper who would like to come on uh so you know open invitation i don't really know

01:04:13.480 how to uh get in contact but by all means if you if you can book striper on the show uh feel free

01:04:19.720 we'd be happy to have that conversation of me doing the paul mccartney uh you know bit from

01:04:27.000 from snl yeah remember that time it was great that was awesome uh jose velasca says wait guys

01:04:34.200 vaution destiny said trump is bad i mean another thing that's going to be interesting is going to

01:04:39.720 be watching to see if we we had get that shift of streamer culture right we had so many of these guys

01:04:46.200 who are professional defenders of the regime uh you know hassan piker and bausch and dusty and all

01:04:51.960 these guys uh if we if we start moving away i know we've already seen like david packman those guys

01:04:58.440 complaining that they're losing youtube subscribers uh those guys have to go somewhere so very interesting

01:05:04.440 to see if we get an overall shift in streamer and commentator culture right or if they try to blend in

01:05:10.200 that would be yeah a fascinating thing where they're just like like what was the thing when uh when aoc like

01:05:15.160 a couple days after the election did some stream where she was like what podcasts are you guys

01:05:19.640 listening to if you're on the right at all just uh send those to me it's i i won't do anything weird

01:05:24.920 with them i won't report you or anything i just i just want to learn i mean we're gonna say that with

01:05:30.280 from destiny i'd like to believe that somewhere an aoc intern is listening to us right now uh yeah but

01:05:37.240 but yeah it will be interesting it would be amusing to see like vausch like delete his browser history put

01:05:42.120 on a maga hat you know see what he can see what he can do yeah great

01:05:48.680 uh try try cath vausch incoming uh life of brian says trump still wants mitch mcconnell to like him

01:05:57.880 what's the opposite of cautious uh optimism look man i i don't know uh the mind of trump uh when it

01:06:06.200 comes to whether or not he wants mitch mcconnell like him i think he wants mcconnell to do the things

01:06:11.000 he wants to do um but uh you know the good news is one way or another mitch mcconnell will not be

01:06:16.920 ruling over us very much longer uh so there's that and cherub cow just gives us a thanks well thank you

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - November 25, 2024

Leftists Are the Conservatives Now ｜ Wade Stotts ｜ 11⧸25⧸24

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