The Auron MacIntyre Show - MAGA Influencers Sell Out over Soda？｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 3⧸24⧸25

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00:00:30.120 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:34.200 I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:38.300 You might also enjoy this fine beverage.

00:00:42.540 Yes, this one beverage that has definitely not paid any money to receive this on-air.

00:00:49.580 No, just kidding. So it would be really weird if that was how I opened a show out of nowhere.

00:00:55.920 If I started communicating with you like that, just kind of working stuff in that I'm clearly advertising, but I'm not announcing my intention.

00:01:05.260 You would wonder why that's happening.

00:01:07.300 And that's a feeling that a lot of people got recently when they logged on to Twitter because out of nowhere, several large MAGA-associated accounts started talking about the importance of being able to buy soda.

00:01:23.360 Now, they weren't just against like the libs taking away your ability to purchase the soda.

00:01:27.640 Very specifically, they wanted you to agree with the idea that food stamps should continue to pay for the soda of poor people who probably aren't consuming very healthy food or beverages.

00:01:42.740 Very strange messaging. And the fact that so many of them were doing this simultaneously set off a lot of alarm bells.

00:01:51.000 It turns out that there's a much larger story as to how Big Soda got involved in the online MAGA influencer movement.

00:02:00.700 Joining me today to talk about the curious developments in native advertisement on the MAGA front is Jay Burton.

00:02:08.120 Thanks for coming on, man.

00:02:09.460 Yeah, Aaron. Thank you so much for having me on.

00:02:11.320 Thanks. Yeah, I know this is a little more of a humorous, humorous episode.

00:02:15.380 Sometimes we try to dive into the political theory and, you know, philosophy.

00:02:19.760 But today we're going to be looking at the online politics of selling online politics.

00:02:25.860 But before we do that, let's hear from our sponsor.

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00:03:35.000 All right, so let's dive into the story here.

00:03:38.980 It's a very interesting tale.

00:03:42.120 Early on, our good friend Battle Beagle noticed that several large accounts were simultaneously discussing the merits of having people use food stamps to purchase soda.

00:03:59.080 Now, again, inherently nothing wrong with, you know, letting people make their own decisions on what they consume.

00:04:07.800 For those worried, by the way, this is not high fructose corn syrup.

00:04:12.100 Again, I am not being paid by this company, but yeah, it's water and tea and no artificial sweeteners.

00:04:20.440 So don't worry.

00:04:21.840 I know my, you know, high fructose corn syrup bros are definitely watching right now.

00:04:27.340 I am not imbibing.

00:04:28.540 I am not consuming all of the worst things.

00:04:32.220 That said, there is this very strange, confusing number of accounts who are out there discussing why, again, not just that you should be able to purchase whatever you want, but that people receiving government aid should be able to purchase whatever they want.

00:04:51.160 So after Battle Beagle, and by the way, you should get all of your news from Strange Beagles online.

00:04:56.860 That's the most reliable source that one can imagine.

00:05:00.840 I imagine Jay Burden also can attest to the amazing prophecies that come from Battle Beagle.

00:05:08.460 Oh, 100% true.

00:05:09.640 Here's what I would say.

00:05:13.200 Take the exact opposite of what you were recommending to you in a college course.

00:05:17.420 You should get your news from anonymous strangers you've never met on the internet, predominantly represented by cartoon character profile pictures and AI images of animals.

00:05:28.040 Yeah.

00:05:28.220 And if they're going to be showing their face, they should at the very least, you know, be in front of a bunch of heavy metal albums, right?

00:05:34.860 Like that's how you can really speak to their veracity.

00:05:38.520 Possibly.

00:05:39.640 We'll try it out.

00:05:41.360 You see, ultimately, we should trust that guy.

00:05:44.140 All right.

00:05:44.420 That said, Nick Sorter, who's an independent journalist, he's broken a number of large stories.

00:05:48.900 He's been on Fox and all kinds of other places.

00:05:51.780 Tim Cast, I think he's on on a pretty regular basis.

00:05:54.700 But he dug deeper into what happened here.

00:05:57.040 So let's take a look at the post so you can kind of get a grasp in case you're not incredibly online and didn't see all of what's happening here.

00:06:06.020 Clown World is a very popular.

00:06:07.760 This is what we would call a slop account, I think is fair to say, Mr. Burden.

00:06:12.320 Yes, exactly.

00:06:15.680 Right.

00:06:15.920 Pure slop. 0.99

00:06:16.700 Yeah, it's an account that goes out of there and looks for the most ridiculous things and post them. 0.96

00:06:21.680 Again, there's always some level of engagement baiting when it comes to, I guess, social media usage.

00:06:27.740 So I'm not here to, like, you know, hate on every one of these accounts necessarily.

00:06:33.800 But it's an account that's dedicated to putting, like, the most ridiculous kind of woke stuff out there for people to see.

00:06:42.080 It's like a libs of TikTok type account.

00:06:44.880 And I think libs of TikTok has brought about plenty of good changes.

00:06:48.000 So, again, this is not like a blanket condemnation of accounts that do this.

00:06:51.820 But, you know, to be fair, that is what this account is.

00:06:56.040 You got Eric Daughtry is another one of these, like, breaking news.

00:06:59.420 You know, he's posting a thousand times a day type accounts.

00:07:03.300 I'm not as familiar with the not Jerome Powell account.

00:07:07.300 But and then, of course, everyone's favorite, Ian Michaels Chong.

00:07:11.420 For people who don't know this, I guess some people still know this.

00:07:14.420 Ian Michael Chong, Miles Chong is not in the United States.

00:07:17.300 He's not a United States citizen.

00:07:18.620 He's not involved in the United States politics.

00:07:20.520 I think he still posts from Malaysia.

00:07:23.440 And so but but someone who's constantly getting replied to by Elon Musk and others.

00:07:28.840 So it gets a lot of traction online.

00:07:31.020 Right.

00:07:31.380 And you can see all of these accounts simultaneously are talking about the blocking of soda for

00:07:39.620 Americans on Snap.

00:07:41.020 For those don't know, that's food stamps.

00:07:43.040 That's another name for getting government assistance for purchasing your food.

00:07:47.940 And they're all saying, well, you should be able to buy soda with your food stamps and look.

00:07:56.360 And you notice they all mentioned the New York City ban on like large drinks.

00:08:00.620 I think it was Bloomberg who wanted to get rid of that.

00:08:03.400 Right.

00:08:04.420 And so they all they're like, Democrats have tried to ban your soda before.

00:08:08.700 And Donald Trump likes Diet Coke.

00:08:11.160 So you shouldn't deny it to people on food stamps.

00:08:14.660 Now, this is obviously paper thin.

00:08:17.500 Like, I think anyone paying attention would, of course, know that there's a large difference between people being able to make a choice as to whether or not to drink a 40 some odd ounce.

00:08:28.080 Big gulp on their own with their own dollar or whatever a big gulp costs, as opposed to having it subsidized by the taxpayers.

00:08:37.160 Right.

00:08:37.560 Like, you can buy lots of things that are very nice if you can afford them, but I shouldn't be forced to pay for them.

00:08:45.140 And you could buy lots of things that are bad for you, but I shouldn't be forced to pay for them.

00:08:51.240 But for some reason, all of these people who should be relatively right wing and familiar with the concept of people on welfare and food stamps not being able to buy whatever they want were suddenly very pro soda for some reason.

00:09:05.460 And so, you know, very obviously, this was picked up again, picked up.

00:09:11.480 First, what I saw was from Battle Beagle.

00:09:14.500 But then Nick here figured out that there was a much larger story behind this.

00:09:19.380 Did you see these posts when they went up initially?

00:09:21.420 What did you think?

00:09:22.540 Yeah.

00:09:22.980 So, you know, just kind of due to a combination of, you know, work and social stuff, I, you know, not always on Twitter all the time.

00:09:31.820 I'm sorry, what?

00:09:32.540 What I saw.

00:09:33.300 Yeah, I know.

00:09:33.940 It's really shameful to admit as a newsman such as myself.

00:09:38.960 But so I had seen the initial wave.

00:09:42.340 I had just simply seen, wow, it sure is weird that a bunch of people are posting about soda this morning because, you know, I didn't spend a lot of time on it.

00:09:51.460 It was just one of the things as I kind of, you know, scrolled before I began my day.

00:09:55.960 And I mean, it didn't, you know, stick in my mind, but it was definitely odd because the moral perspective is a little bit off, right?

00:10:04.720 This isn't how conservatives really normally talk, right?

00:10:09.540 You know, you could certainly say that we should have some sort of food assistance program, right?

00:10:14.380 I can imagine that take.

00:10:15.880 But to say that conservatives ought to support this, I mean, even if we take aside any kind of alternative motivation here, it's just a weird argument for one person to make, let alone for the better part of half a dozen, right?

00:10:34.620 So without any additional knowledge, it seemed highly suspicious, right?

00:10:40.700 Because what are the chances?

00:10:43.260 And it turns out my suspicion was not misplaced, right?

00:10:47.300 This wasn't just a random coincidence, right?

00:10:51.460 Yeah.

00:10:51.740 So again, we were among many people who were suddenly scratching our heads on what is happening here.

00:10:57.480 But like I said, and luckily Nick broke down and everything had got us some more information.

00:11:04.600 So he got a hold of the kind of advertisement bulletin here.

00:11:09.400 So if you've never seen an advertising campaign, if you're not familiar with how this works, this is a pretty common document to receive.

00:11:16.240 If you're going to say, do a live read on a program like my own, you know, you get the kind of highlights of what the goal is.

00:11:26.520 What are we talking about here?

00:11:28.440 These are what we call talking points that literally they are bullet points and they tell you what to say.

00:11:34.820 Now, obviously you shouldn't just say what's on the talking point and Chris, unless you're very lazy, which some of these people were, but you're supposed to mix it with like something that you would say to give it more of a native feel.

00:11:50.080 You'll see the instructions here, for instance, make sure you put a picture with Trump and a Diet Coke or you hit his love of a Diet Coke and have a link to a story from a conservative outlet about

00:12:04.820 the left's war on soda.

00:12:08.000 So this is kind of exactly what you expect, some things to say.

00:12:11.620 Here's some instructions on how to post, when to post.

00:12:14.760 Don't put your posts too close together.

00:12:17.200 You know, don't make it clear.

00:12:18.680 You know, make sure you deliver on time.

00:12:21.640 We make sure that everything's public.

00:12:23.680 It gives you a breakdown, right?

00:12:25.140 So you have this company called Influencible and they put together this advertising, you know, set up here.

00:12:34.440 Now, I'd like to be clear.

00:12:35.860 Again, I want to put all these cards on the table.

00:12:38.620 You know, obviously, we just did an advertisement on the show.

00:12:43.000 Advertisements are part of media.

00:12:46.400 Maybe that's not the best thing.

00:12:48.040 Maybe ultimately there are better models.

00:12:49.880 I don't know.

00:12:50.300 But right now, advertisements are a pretty central part in pretty much all of media in order to get these things done.

00:12:58.080 So you're going to have a certain level of advertisements in anything where you're kind of discussing this stuff.

00:13:03.140 People may not like that.

00:13:04.980 I understand that.

00:13:06.100 But ultimately, that is the situation we're at.

00:13:08.920 I'm not here to tell you that advertisements are necessarily bad.

00:13:13.520 In fact, I don't think they are.

00:13:14.940 I think that's a certain amount of doing business with what you're doing here.

00:13:19.020 The problem that I think me and a lot of other people have is the lack of transparency, right?

00:13:26.700 When I do an advertisement, I tell you, this is a sponsor, right?

00:13:30.360 And oftentimes, I like the things that are being advertised on the show.

00:13:35.020 That's usually what sponsors are trying to do.

00:13:37.600 They're trying to align themselves with people who already like their product, already would use it, already think maybe that their audience would enjoy it.

00:13:46.640 So personally, I don't have a problem with that.

00:13:49.540 But every time, even if I genuinely like and I'm fully endorsing what is being put up here, I make it clear that is a sponsor, right?

00:13:58.420 Like this is sponsored content.

00:14:00.660 I'm not putting this up here just even if I do like it myself.

00:14:05.160 It's not I'm not just doing it because I like it.

00:14:08.460 There is a compensation going on here, and you should know that before you enter into any interaction with that opinion.

00:14:16.740 I have plenty of opinions.

00:14:17.900 No one's paying me to have, you know, but when I talk about a specific product, I make it clear if that, you know, you've been compensated.

00:14:26.020 That product is being talked about because of that compensation.

00:14:29.540 And that's not what happened here at all.

00:14:31.500 And not only is it not what happened here, not only do these people not disclose what they were about, but they often introduce this as like their own attempt to fight back against this ridiculous regulation, this thing.

00:14:46.980 But they were doing so in a way that was very not conservative, not Republican.

00:14:50.900 As you pointed out, all the opinions you would expect conservatives or right wingers to have about welfare were countered in this.

00:14:58.240 So not only were we hiding the reason that these posts were being made, but we were specifically going against the values of the people we're normally talking to in the audience and pretending like somehow this links back to our shared understanding of the free market or whatever.

00:15:16.420 Well, exactly right.

00:15:18.820 And again, I have nothing against advertising either.

00:15:22.440 You know, I have advertisements on my show as well.

00:15:24.900 But, you know, there's a sort of responsibility that comes with that, right?

00:15:30.740 You know, you are basically trading on, you know, the fact that your audience trusts you, right?

00:15:37.840 The reason that you have an audience is because people think your opinion is, you know, worthwhile.

00:15:43.460 And so you're kind of renting a piece of that, right?

00:15:45.980 And, you know, if you do your homework, there's really nothing wrong with it.

00:15:49.360 But when people start to freak out is when it seems like, one, you're being lazy, right?

00:15:55.820 You're taking advantage of that, you're renting it out to literally anyone.

00:16:00.740 Or two, right?

00:16:02.680 You're just doing random stuff they don't care about.

00:16:06.220 You're literally wasting their time.

00:16:08.160 And to be honest, bringing, like, what really is a relatively minor point of, like, welfare administration policy, you know, to this level, it just stinks, right?

00:16:22.020 Like, it immediately reads as disingenuous, right?

00:16:26.000 It reads to your audience, even someone like me, who's not a particularly engaged consumer of any one of these accounts, as, oh, like, you're a shill, right? 0.63

00:16:35.840 Which immediately casts dispersions on everything else you've said.

00:16:41.100 Because it's like, if you were just going to, you know, copy this, copy, paste, and say some random nonsense about, you know, we need to fund, you know, we effectively need to subsidize, you know, the sugar corn industry.

00:16:53.740 Like, I don't believe you've only done that once, right?

00:16:57.640 That seems to indicate you might have some sort of, you know, there might be a flaw in your reasoning.

00:17:04.280 You might have an ulterior motive.

00:17:05.840 And, I mean, look, right?

00:17:07.380 Like, when we talk about the alternative media, you know, one of the things that really people in alt media like to pat themselves on the back about is the fact that, like, oh, we're not, like, stodgy traditional media.

00:17:20.400 And, you know, there's certainly something true about that.

00:17:23.160 But that doesn't mean that there are, you know, untalented sellout hacks, even in alternative media.

00:17:29.360 You know, you see it all the time, right?

00:17:31.380 And, look, I'm not casting aspersions on all of these accounts.

00:17:33.880 I 100% understand how someone could be presented with a brand deal that they didn't do their research on.

00:17:39.480 And that's not the end of the world, right?

00:17:41.120 I'm using this to talk about a broader problem.

00:17:44.260 But the problem is, right, when you have alt media, when it's controlled by one person, that means in order to control that node, all you need to do is to get to one person, right?

00:17:54.580 And if you've got that person, right, whether through greed or something else, you've got that node, you've got their influence.

00:18:02.060 And you see it all the time, right?

00:18:04.060 Look into the so-called, like, Democrat influencers, right?

00:18:08.020 You know, you see these people pop up on, you know, TikTok overnight.

00:18:11.740 They have massive organic followings, right?

00:18:15.060 And what is it, right?

00:18:16.800 Is that really, you know, the free market of people deciding that, you know, Harry Sisson or however you say his name is, is just the greatest guy ever?

00:18:25.380 Or, you know, is it a way to basically create that same type of relationship or try to force that, you know, parasocial relationship to get people to trust someone?

00:18:35.940 And then use that to drive a narrative, which is somewhat similar to what we're seeing here.

00:18:43.020 Yeah, and it really is, again, as you point out, I'm not against people securing the bag, you know, like people got to get paid.

00:18:51.820 People need to make a living with what they're doing.

00:18:55.280 But it is the lack of disclosure and, in this case, the direct opposition to the values of the people you're advertising to, which is a pretty big problem.

00:19:06.480 You know, like you said, that this very particular nuance of welfare policy, it very clearly only comes about because, I guess, a significant amount of soda sales go to poor people who can't make good decisions about what they're putting in their bodies.

00:19:25.280 And they can't buy it with their own money, so they need to take that money from you to pay for it, right?

00:19:31.920 And this is directly at odds with basically everything that a conservative audience would believe, and yet it's being sold as a conservative idea because it interacts with, you know, the free market.

00:19:45.720 It's just so cynical.

00:19:47.140 It's just so obviously, again, people sell things.

00:19:51.400 That's okay.

00:19:52.240 I get that.

00:19:52.920 But the cynical nature of this is really bad.

00:19:55.560 And you can see right here, you know, he's got the text that some of these influencers received.

00:20:01.260 Influencers were texted telling them to help push back.

00:20:05.540 Some were paid between several hundred to even $1,000 for each post for attempting to turn MAGA against RFK and Maha.

00:20:14.580 So, again, you know, this is a basically the soda industry recognizing that someone entering into this administration isn't on their side, like ultimately is against the pot product that they're putting out because it's bad for people.

00:20:31.180 Obviously doesn't want it to be subsidized by the government, by your tax dollars, and they're being paid to basically fight a civil war with people inside the administration who are against this and, you know, getting paid $1,000 a post.

00:20:47.600 Now, I got to say, again, I'm not against people making money, but I don't know if my credibility is worth $1,000, you know, like it's not a small amount of money, but, you know, my soul would slightly more.

00:21:01.240 Like, you know, it feels like that number should be slightly higher.

00:21:04.760 I get, like, you could put, like, four or five posts out, but even then, still, it just, it seems like a very small amount for selling a credibility for very large accounts.

00:21:14.160 Well, and this is a, there's a famous, you know, internet comedy sketch, right, centers around a couple guys in a road trip.

00:21:21.380 And, you know, one of them asks, like, oh, how much would it cost for you to do something disgusting?

00:21:26.480 You know, and the first guy's like, oh, a million bucks.

00:21:28.300 The second guy's like, eh, maybe $7.50, and then the third guy's like, hmm, 200 bucks.

00:21:35.540 And it's immediately suspicious, right, because it's like, wait a minute, you know, this is supposed to be something really horrible, you know, something you'd really have to think about.

00:21:43.980 And similar, like, to your point, exactly right, it's like you were basically, you know, selling out.

00:21:49.780 And for what?

00:21:51.180 You know, I mean, I'm not saying it's good, but you could kind of, you couldn't really blame the guy, right, if it were a, you know, a villa.

00:21:58.000 In, you know, the Alps or something, it's like, all right, well, fair enough, I understand the appeal.

00:22:02.600 But for, you know, a couple hundred bucks to, you know, effectively sign out to, or sell out to, you know, Big Soda, it's like, I mean, come on.

00:22:13.420 Now, admittedly, I will.

00:22:14.880 I'm going to need at least, like, Kia down payment money, right?

00:22:18.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:18.920 Like, the down payment for a, for a, you know, a reasonably priced, you know, vehicle.

00:22:26.240 Yeah, yeah, a certified pre-owned base model Nissan, you know, at least something like that.

00:22:32.240 Right.

00:22:33.320 Like, you know, I need money that allows me to live in that kind of luxury before I would sell my credibility out.

00:22:40.880 It just seems really low.

00:22:43.240 Like, it feels like that's more, it feels like most of those accounts make way more money every month just with their Elon bucks.

00:22:50.900 So, it can't be worth selling your credibility and losing the Elon bucks traffic just for that, right?

00:22:56.360 Like, even forget the morality and everything, like, just from a pure value standpoint, that can't be worth it.

00:23:02.260 But they did it anyway, I guess.

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00:23:34.100 Yeah, I think that there's, I mean, there's something else to be, just as a brief aside in this, right?

00:23:40.740 I am far from, you know, one of these health or sugars people, right?

00:23:47.640 It's a whole sphere, and I get very much into it.

00:23:50.660 But just as a historical aside, if any of you viewers are interested in the question of what crazy things will soda companies get up to,

00:23:59.600 there is a whole long history of Coke and Pepsi doing all sorts of absolutely insane stuff that is much, much worse than, you know, paying a few influencers, right?

00:24:11.580 Sure.

00:24:11.800 Yeah, they have, in court, been found guilty of funding violent paramilitary groups ordering assassinations.

00:24:22.180 This is not me alleging this.

00:24:24.060 They were found guilty of this in court.

00:24:26.200 So to say, like, these sort of companies, it is very much in their real house to do things that are a little bit shady.

00:24:31.860 But that is not the point of this podcast.

00:24:33.380 Yeah, go full United Fruit Company, you know, take over some, you know, huge Latin American republics.

00:24:40.780 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:41.980 Right.

00:24:42.660 So he points out here that along with apparently, you know, setting up assassinations, there's also the lobbies that are, you know,

00:24:53.000 so none of these people probably got directly approached by Coke or Pepsi.

00:24:56.800 They probably didn't even get approached by Maribov.

00:25:00.060 Maribov, obviously, they got approached by this influencer company, but they're going, you know, Maribov and these other, you know,

00:25:06.600 lobbying organizations are likely to, you know, be the ones that hired something like Influencible.

00:25:14.180 You know, he points out the link there to the conservative articles that could appear.

00:25:23.000 He, you know, he points out that this isn't the only product that does this.

00:25:26.580 Things like movies, you go out there and do this and, you know, look like I, I did an advertisement for Sound of Freedom, but I did it on my show.

00:25:35.940 I did it because, you know, I made it clear it was an advertisement.

00:25:39.040 And by the way, I actually liked that movie.

00:25:41.460 I think it was a good movie.

00:25:42.780 I gave it a personal endorsement in my advertisement of it, but only because, A, I had already announced it's an advertisement.

00:25:50.700 This is not just me, you know, going on about a movie I just saw, but also I genuinely thought it was a good movie that I think people should see.

00:25:59.160 So, again, I'm not against, you know, advertisements, campaigns, people getting paid, but it is just kind of amazing that, you know, people can't just say that and that instead we're kind of like burying these campaigns and trying to, you know, lose a lot of our credibility over the fact that, you know, make a few extra hundred dollars.

00:26:22.120 Again, when you're in this business, when you're doing what you're doing, there's two types of people, right?

00:26:28.920 It's like you've got entertainment and credibility.

00:26:32.560 That's really what you're looking for.

00:26:34.440 Either this person is just highly entertaining or this person is someone I trust in some area.

00:26:40.720 Maybe it's, you know, political theory.

00:26:43.180 Maybe it's, you know, what's going on on the Hill.

00:26:46.360 Maybe it's deep diving into corporations.

00:26:48.560 They have a research skill that maybe it's history.

00:26:52.660 You know, there's something about this person who, that has built a certain level of credibility with me. 0.94

00:26:58.980 And if you're someone who has built an audience on that credibility, it just seems very, very foolish and short-sighted to sell it for such a low price.

00:27:09.240 Like, again, there's all the morality involved.

00:27:11.520 But even if you just sidestep the morality for a moment, just from the cost-benefit analysis, I'm just, sorry, I know I'm kind of going on about this, but it just kind of blows me away that you would work so hard to amass a large following with a lot of people who kind of ultimately trust you and then would be like, yeah, but like for the cost of, I don't know, like going to the movies twice, I could burn all that.

00:27:36.320 And, yeah, that'll probably be worth it.

00:27:38.920 Well, and there's two things as well, right?

00:27:41.280 Which is one, you know, what was the nature of this advertisement or endorsement, right?

00:27:46.560 You know, if you have a website, there are banner ads on it, and we all kind of know what the game is there, right?

00:27:53.480 That's not really an implied endorsement.

00:27:55.140 People just pay for advertising space, right?

00:27:57.180 But if it's a post, right, that you are making yourself from your account, and you're not marking it as an ad, that's sort of a weird one, slimy thing legally.

00:28:08.800 But also, right, you were speaking using your own voice, right?

00:28:13.320 You were saying, this is what I think.

00:28:15.420 You know, we as a group should think this about this.

00:28:19.120 Not, you know, thanks for sponsoring me.

00:28:21.940 You know, here's why you should like the product, right?

00:28:24.120 It's different, right?

00:28:25.440 It's not really a clean ad anymore.

00:28:27.780 It's an attempt to influence opinion.

00:28:31.520 Now, I think there's some interesting things to look at in this past, just is this a bad thing that happened?

00:28:37.540 Which is, one, why do they target those people, right?

00:28:41.920 People connected, broadly speaking, to our spheres.

00:28:45.000 Well, okay, like you could say, you know, Donald Trump is at least popular enough to be president, right?

00:28:51.020 So we should, you know, look at, you know, his base, right?

00:28:54.760 Okay, that's probably some of it.

00:28:57.020 But I think there's another kind of interesting implication in that, right, which is the transition from, let's just say, two to three years ago, when people like you and I are domestic terrorists, right?

00:29:08.520 I'm not saying literally, but we were being called domestic terrorists.

00:29:11.900 How the FBI or Joe Biden would have described this.

00:29:15.080 Exactly.

00:29:16.180 In heavy scare quotes, forgive me about that.

00:29:18.600 You know, you have this kind of like, you know, Joe Biden with his fist in the air in front of a blood red banner, you know, shaking his fist at the sky and saying, you know, we're coming for those people.

00:29:28.260 To, you know, some of the biggest corporations in the world, dedicating their time to molding their opinions on advertising, right?

00:29:38.000 Like that's a remarkably fast transition.

00:29:40.760 And I think that indicates a shift in cultural attitudes and cultural water, right?

00:29:45.640 Because I'm constantly fascinated by why do rich and powerful people pay attentions to this bizarre corner of the internet, right?

00:29:55.680 Because purely by the numbers, I mean, some, but not as many as do, right?

00:30:01.720 This is an area that punches well above its weight.

00:30:04.480 And I think what's been realized, and this has been, you know, remarked upon since, you know, much, much earlier, if you look at a place like 4chan, that there are places that are generative, right?

00:30:13.900 They produce ideas that go elsewhere.

00:30:16.480 And I think that that's what you're seeing is that other people, people who don't necessarily have the best of intentions, have recognized that this is fertile ground.

00:30:24.580 That if you seed something here, it goes elsewhere.

00:30:27.460 And they're looking for a way to profit off that, right?

00:30:30.580 With an operation like this one.

00:30:32.340 And I'll put it this way.

00:30:34.020 These guys got caught.

00:30:35.620 They were not the first people to come up with this.

00:30:38.700 This has happened before.

00:30:40.400 And this one's easy to see because it's a low-rent advertising agency.

00:30:44.160 But to kind of put on my tinfoil hat for a little bit, you got to wonder, you know, if this was a, you know, a foreign power, some sort of political organization with more resources to throw around, there's a very real chance that we might never have even noticed.

00:30:57.860 So sorry, Oren, that's a lot for me to throw at you.

00:31:00.140 But do you see what I'm kind of getting at there?

00:31:01.440 Yeah, no, 100%.

00:31:03.300 And, you know, so let me relay story time with Uncle Oren.

00:31:08.080 Let me tell you about my experience previously with this.

00:31:11.720 So when I was a local reporter, just a local reporter working the beat, I go to these different political events.

00:31:19.180 I do politics and I do crime for a local newspaper.

00:31:23.680 I show up to one of these local meetings and there's this group that is pushing to end greyhound racing in Florida, which is where I'm a reporter at the time.

00:31:34.260 And when I show up to that meeting, you know, they've got all the animal rights activists.

00:31:40.020 We're down with greyhound.

00:31:41.520 It's inhumane.

00:31:42.560 We got to get rid of these greyhound tracks.

00:31:44.580 They're abusing dogs. 1.00

00:31:46.480 Wouldn't you like to?

00:31:47.220 And they start signing petitions and getting people riled up.

00:31:50.120 And I was like, all right, well, you know, that's it's a political meeting.

00:31:52.780 That's what they do.

00:31:54.220 Then I went to another political meeting and they the same people are doing the same push.

00:32:00.520 And I thought that was a little weird because the venues had very different demographics.

00:32:05.520 One was very Republican.

00:32:07.140 One was very Democrat.

00:32:09.040 I know I'm there.

00:32:10.280 I'm a professional reporter.

00:32:11.480 I have to go to these things.

00:32:12.780 But, you know, you're not really targeting your audience in that scenario.

00:32:15.980 Very strange.

00:32:17.440 They show up to like three or four more of these things.

00:32:20.540 And I start to get suspicious.

00:32:23.780 I look into it and I find out that the Seminole Indian tribe, who owns all of the legal casinos in Florida, has basically contracted out these animal rights activists. 0.77

00:32:38.080 Because the only organization other than these Indian casinos that are allowed to run table games in Florida are pari-mutual facilities, dog tracks. 0.99

00:32:51.300 And so the only competitor to the Indian casino was the Greyhound track.

00:32:57.440 And so there was not some organic groundswell of, you know, support for getting rid of dog tracks.

00:33:05.100 There was not some genuine concern over the condition of dogs.

00:33:08.680 There was not some relatively passionate, you know, people who are out there just fighting for the rights of animals.

00:33:15.540 These people were bought and paid for under the guise of being animal rights activists to basically clear the way for casinos to get rid of the only other competitor for gambling inside of Florida.

00:33:28.560 And by the way, it worked.

00:33:29.740 They like this campaign worked.

00:33:31.740 They got the ballot initiative necessary.

00:33:35.500 You know, the referendum, the popular vote in Florida can alter the constitution and they banned Greyhound racing in Florida.

00:33:42.880 And now, you know, Seminole Indian casinos are the only ones who can run any gambling inside of Florida.

00:33:51.240 So not only is this established practice, but this is established practice that works and works to the tune of billions of dollars, right?

00:34:00.420 By moving out the only competitor, the Indian casinos made billions of dollars by lying to people and telling them that this was all part of their ability to, you know, get rid of this animal abuse, right? 0.99

00:34:14.260 So this is, to your point, something that is prevalent.

00:34:17.440 This is a time-tested, you know, thing.

00:34:21.200 It works and it makes people lots and lots of money.

00:34:24.260 So in some sense, this has always existed.

00:34:26.300 However, there is a positive aspect of this, if we can, you know, point to it here, which is, in some sense, this is an indication that we are culturally ascendant, right?

00:34:37.080 As you point out, you know, we were, you and I were people who were being called domestic terrorists by the White House and the President of the United States.

00:34:44.120 We are not domestic terrorists.

00:34:46.020 We were falsely called that.

00:34:48.420 Falsely accused.

00:34:49.180 Falsely accused.

00:34:50.440 Falsely accused of this by the President of the United States.

00:34:54.120 It's, you know, the people who, you know, who run intelligence agencies and domestic security agencies were labeling anyone to the right of, you know, the Wall Street Journal as, you know, being this.

00:35:06.500 And now, all of a sudden, major corporations want to plug themselves in.

00:35:11.540 So in some ways, this is like a growing pain, right?

00:35:15.280 Like, this is a victim of success scenario where, yes, it's really ugly that some of these accounts fell for this and they sold their credibility over this.

00:35:24.760 However, in some sense, this is a good indication because the simple fact that people would invest this much time and money in spheres like ours, recognizing the power that they wield, even when it comes to policy, like government policy, that is ultimately like a positive thing, right?

00:35:40.300 Oh, 100% it is.

00:35:45.080 I think that this is an important, moments like these can serve as kind of an important check on how we view the kind of basic populist premise, right?

00:35:59.780 The idea that, you know, left to their own devices, right?

00:36:03.520 If you give people, you know, access to information, they will come up with the right conclusions.

00:36:09.140 Because the problem is, right, when you have these kind of decentralized narratives, and I mean, to be fair, this could be done in a centralized way as well.

00:36:17.620 But when you have these unorganized systems, they're very easy for outside organized actors to come in and game them, right?

00:36:25.280 Like I guarantee all of those accounts, right, weren't talking to each other trying to say like, oh, hey, how are we going to plan this, right?

00:36:32.140 It's the ad agency, right?

00:36:33.340 They went in, they were able to, you know, organize something.

00:36:37.840 And so I think that it's really important to, you know, one, be cautious, right, of where narratives come from, right?

00:36:45.540 Where ideas are seeded, right?

00:36:47.580 They didn't just appear out of nowhere.

00:36:49.700 But at the same time, you're 100% right.

00:36:52.180 You know, the fact that these people are trying to do something that's a little bit nefarious and scummy in our neck of the woods, it's like, oh, well, hey, look at that.

00:36:59.720 We're big enough to get a really bad advertising campaign.

00:37:04.420 And you know what?

00:37:06.420 That's better than nothing, right?

00:37:07.920 It indicates that there's value there to be extracted.

00:37:11.300 But you got to remember, right, people come to that, you know, area because there's value there.

00:37:18.000 But not everyone there is contributing, right?

00:37:20.100 Not everyone is, you know, bringing interesting ideas or, you know, kind of a head on certain news issues.

00:37:26.840 And to me, right, I think that it's something to be very cautious of because this is a, you know, a collection of ideas, a collection of people who are moving from the fringes to the more mainstream, right?

00:37:40.560 And there are problems that come with that.

00:37:42.780 You know, look, like, if you take another, you know, pick your poison, right, another hobby you might be interested in as, you know, a viewer that's very, very mainstream, the players are kind of known, right?

00:37:55.680 You know, you have the big people, you have people in the middle, and there's, you know, a natural turnover.

00:38:00.740 But when it's kind of going from, you know, this situation where everyone is very small, everyone's anonymous, there are all these kind of, like, you know, ghettoized different communities.

00:38:09.620 So there's a difficult to tell, right, who the players are.

00:38:13.660 There's a big shakeup.

00:38:14.920 And some of that's good.

00:38:15.800 Some of that's exciting.

00:38:17.320 But other times, right, that creates opportunities for, shall we say, disingenuous forces to act.

00:38:24.520 And I think that's what we saw a little bit of.

00:38:26.580 You know, to me, it reminds me, you know, very much of something that Curtis Yarvin said, which is, you know, he's someone who ideas have been massively mainstreamed, right?

00:38:35.640 I have some of my friends' mothers telling me that they really like the New York Times podcast.

00:38:41.060 And if I've ever heard of this guy named Curtis Yarvin, you know, like, that's a guy who took a blog and, you know, became very successful with it.

00:38:49.180 It's going to be the moment where your grandma leans over and is like, have you ever heard of the Sex Pistols?

00:38:54.340 Yeah, exactly.

00:38:55.620 Right.

00:38:56.460 But point is, he has this idea, you know, what is success, right?

00:39:01.200 And basically, his idea was, success is having your own ideas explained back to you by someone who's not particularly intelligent.

00:39:08.000 And he said it in a cruder way, of course, right?

00:39:10.220 But I think that there's going to be some of that as well, right?

00:39:13.560 That these ideas are getting mainstreamed.

00:39:15.460 They're getting mixed in with mass culture.

00:39:18.900 And there are pros and cons to that, right?

00:39:20.420 They're getting popularized.

00:39:21.560 They're getting mainstreamed.

00:39:23.420 But things that didn't used to happen in this weird little corner of the internet where we share ideas, well, they're going to start happening, right?

00:39:31.000 Because there's more eyeballs here.

00:39:32.580 There's more money to be made.

00:39:34.520 And so, you know, this was a very low-end scam, right?

00:39:38.220 On the end of it, right?

00:39:39.140 Guy's got a couple hundred bucks to say something kind of scummy.

00:39:41.860 It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

00:39:44.560 But they're probably going to keep happening.

00:39:46.200 And when the numbers go up, when it's 10 grand instead of one, you'll see more people go for it, right?

00:39:53.900 You'll see more people basically decide to sell out.

00:39:56.360 And this has happened in other, you know, conservative or right-leaning institutions, right?

00:40:03.220 You know, go through a lot of those Tea Party Republicans and look how they were voting five, ten years later, right?

00:40:09.900 When the checks get bigger, more and more people start to compromise.

00:40:12.980 And I think it's something we should be aware of.

00:40:14.500 Yeah, and I think this leads into a more interesting scenario because, of course, as you point out, we've got, you know, the populist movement isn't incredibly organized.

00:40:26.180 And so it's very easy for people to enter.

00:40:29.080 Sometimes the gatekeeping is not always great when it comes to this.

00:40:33.500 And, of course, we see it when we see kind of this grifting, right?

00:40:37.300 But also, remember, we're seeing this same thing ideologically, right?

00:40:43.080 There's so many people who were very liberal or were moderately liberal.

00:40:48.140 And all of a sudden, Donald Trump is winning.

00:40:50.620 The momentum's on the MAGA side.

00:40:52.400 And all of a sudden, they're like, well, it turns out that I just happen to also be a liberty enjoyer, fellow Republicans.

00:40:58.620 And they start, you know, kind of spouting all of their same talking points, but while calling themselves MAGA or, you know, right wing or, you know, post liberal or whatever.

00:41:11.040 And that's why it becomes very important to start to measure, you know, what these people are saying before you elevate them to positions of leadership or intellectual notoriety.

00:41:22.680 Because a lot of it could be, you know, this laundering. 0.96

00:41:25.660 You know, they're probably not getting paid to push, you know, I don't know, their, you know, post-war consensus garbage or whatever, their woke right garbage. 0.94

00:41:33.200 But it's the same type of thing, right? 0.94

00:41:34.880 Like they assume the form of the movement so that they can write it.

00:41:40.800 They don't have the values or they don't ultimately align.

00:41:43.960 But if they present themselves in a certain way, they throw a few memes in there, they say that they're based or something like that, then they can start pushing.

00:41:51.420 Well, if you believe in liberty, then obviously, ultimately, you can't really be for a society that promotes Christian values because that, you know, you can start getting that kind of stuff. 0.99

00:42:02.040 The people who have no affiliation, no real overlap in belief or culture or shared goals, but they want to tell you what the movement is, right?

00:42:12.160 Like, well, actually, this is what you believed all along, right?

00:42:16.040 Like there's a lot of that happening right now.

00:42:18.780 And so this is very obvious and very crass with the money, but we're getting an ideological version of this as well.

00:42:25.780 And it's just as important, if not much more important, actually, I'd rather people make a few hundred dollars off of big soda, but more or less, you'd like keep pushing for closed borders and reduction of insanity by introducing Christian values into government structure rather than, you know, the other way around. 0.79

00:42:45.180 But ultimately, it's just as important to keep, you know, those people who are pushing these non-aligned values under the guise of making America great again, as it is to watch out for, you know, these guys who are pushing, you know, the importance of being able to buy a, you know, large Coke with your, you know, with your food stamps.

00:43:05.140 Well, certainly, right?

00:43:07.940 And look, like this is ultimately kind of a silly story, but it's a useful prism to investigate something that happens all the time, right?

00:43:17.860 Which is that there are people who, you know, see that there is something to be gained by presenting as part of a social group.

00:43:24.300 And so they cynically put that hat on, right?

00:43:27.100 They adopt the mannerisms as an order to economically profit, right?

00:43:31.780 And you see this all the time, right?

00:43:35.140 You have 100% heard this story before, right?

00:43:38.960 That XYZ, you know, either failing actor or musician or influencer, all of a sudden discovers that they are, you know, they have conservative politics. 0.93

00:43:50.120 And they use that to sort of relaunch their career, right?

00:43:53.300 They become, you know, a specific micro celebrity.

00:43:57.700 And oftentimes, those people end up, you know, burning out, right?

00:44:02.460 They end up, you know, sort of revealing themselves as, you know, doing something cynically.

00:44:07.140 You know, they reveal themselves as, you know, acting only, right, in their own best interest.

00:44:12.600 And look, that's very human, right?

00:44:14.120 That happens all the time.

00:44:15.640 Shouldn't be shocked by it.

00:44:17.300 But at the same time, right?

00:44:18.840 If you're on the other end of that, right?

00:44:20.500 If you're reading, if you're, you know, taking them at face value, there's a betrayal in that, right?

00:44:25.700 You are dealing with someone who's not an honest actor, who is acting cynically.

00:44:29.620 And that's important to police, right?

00:44:31.720 Because if the primary thing, and this is what I do think our circle offers, is we have, you know, answers and analysis you can't find elsewhere.

00:44:39.860 That's a genuinely valuable and unique thing.

00:44:42.220 And if that is being, you know, distorted or diluted, because it is profitable for people to, you know, come to the table, right, or, you know, try to present themselves as contributing, well, that's something that needs to be addressed.

00:44:55.360 It's not impossible to solve.

00:44:57.520 But, you know, there is, all of a sudden, you know, there's a new incentive.

00:45:03.160 Because what was the incentive to be, to have our kind of politics four years ago during 2020?

00:45:10.280 Well, it certainly wasn't economic, I'll tell you that, right?

00:45:13.900 It certainly wasn't social, right?

00:45:15.780 You had immense, you know, pressures on all fronts.

00:45:18.700 And so, you know, you could be pretty well assured that everyone here was here because they actually thought it, right?

00:45:25.420 Because otherwise, why would you ever say these sort of things, right?

00:45:30.140 You know, I mean, recently, I don't know if you saw people were talking about the period of time where digital blackface was a big deal, right?

00:45:37.620 Like, if you used GIFs or, you know, reaction images that didn't correspond to your literal physical skin tone, that was a problem.

00:45:45.000 That's just kind of like an example of how nuts things were, right?

00:45:49.740 But, you know, you have a time now, like you said, where, you know, these ideas are becoming more popular.

00:45:54.660 It's kind of the way the wind is blowing.

00:45:57.780 There's going to be more of that opportunism.

00:46:00.060 No, it's going to continue to be an issue.

00:46:04.960 And I think people need to be vigilant for it.

00:46:07.040 Though, like I said, I think the ideological version of this is far more dangerous than the commercial version of this.

00:46:14.540 And, you know, the good news is that something like Twitter holds people accountable, right?

00:46:19.220 The fact that this was immediately noticed, it was immediately the story was broken, warnings went out.

00:46:25.160 And this, this, nobody got away with this, right?

00:46:28.000 I'm not saying, obviously, that no one has ever gotten away with this.

00:46:31.000 But the point is, it's very easy for this to get noticed, very easy for this to be brought to the attention of the people who are being kind of sold this opinion.

00:46:43.240 And that's good.

00:46:44.460 Like, that's a good, that's a healthy movement is one in which the accountability is very swift for this type of behavior.

00:46:52.020 And to be fair, you know, Eric Daughtry came out and specifically said, hey, yeah, I did this. 1.00

00:46:58.760 It was super stupid. 0.92

00:46:59.800 I'm sorry. 0.96

00:47:00.420 It won't happen again.

00:47:02.200 You know, maybe that's good enough for you.

00:47:03.420 Maybe it's not.

00:47:04.080 But I just wanted to put in there that he did acknowledge this and apologize.

00:47:08.580 And, you know, that that's really all you've got at the end of the day when you're trading on your reputation.

00:47:13.500 So, you know, hopefully an incident like this will encourage people to be more thoughtful about the type of deals that they take, be far more willing to, you know, first make sure they're not selling an idea that is against the values of who they are talking to, but also something that ultimately they would disclose if they receive that kind of payment.

00:47:36.580 Again, I'm not against advertising, but just tell people it's advertising.

00:47:40.860 And finally, it hopefully raises the level of people who are often interacting with these slop accounts to recognize like, okay, well, just because somebody's going through a bunch of memes and posting a bunch of stuff that blows up doesn't necessarily mean that they are sharing all of the values that I have.

00:48:00.580 Right. But that's not ultimately the indication that this person is someone who I can trust on a regular basis.

00:48:07.620 But that said, we have a number of comments from the people.

00:48:12.500 So before we move to our super chats, Mr. Burden, can you tell people where to find your fine program on which they may at occasion, you know, run into an advertisement or two?

00:48:22.820 Yeah. So you can find me on the Jay Burden show, which is on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you listen to podcasts.

00:48:28.860 A different format than this. It is an interview show, right? A little less topical. Normally it's on kind of a book, piece of art, something like that.

00:48:36.320 If you are interested and there is a huge crossover and guests between my show and yours, please check it out. Highly recommend it.

00:48:43.180 I think I had Aaron on most recently to discuss his book, which is quite good.

00:48:47.720 So again, Aaron, I appreciate the opportunity to come out.

00:48:50.500 And I'd like to be clear, I did not pay Mr. Burden for that advertisement in my book.

00:48:55.760 That was it. That was a, you know, not a native advertisement.

00:48:59.060 I will not slide him five dollars under the table as soon as.

00:49:02.920 And I'll tell you, and this is another thing, even rarer on podcasts.

00:49:07.540 I actually read his book.

00:49:09.700 That is shockingly rare, sadly, as you realize, as you do book press.

00:49:15.680 But yeah, it is kind of funny.

00:49:17.600 And this is a complete inside baseball aside.

00:49:20.760 If you have actually read someone's book and you are, because they're your friend, you know, you want to support them, listening to them talk to someone else about their book.

00:49:29.660 And you'll listen to the host ask questions that you're like, you didn't even get through like a paragraph in the opener here.

00:49:37.380 You were really just going off the blurb on the back.

00:49:40.480 And I both I hate it.

00:49:42.800 Right.

00:49:43.180 Because it's like, oh, come on, that's lazy.

00:49:44.580 But there's another part of me that's like, I do admire the sheer gall of that.

00:49:48.140 Right.

00:49:48.600 Just like whatever Bill O'Reilly style will do it live.

00:49:52.120 Yeah.

00:49:52.680 This is the I got the I got the CliffsNotes.

00:49:55.360 Let's do this.

00:49:55.960 Right.

00:49:56.280 Yeah.

00:49:56.640 Yeah.

00:49:57.040 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:57.900 It's very true.

00:49:58.780 All right.

00:49:59.380 So let's see here.

00:50:01.860 We've got Arthur Arthur and Collie.

00:50:05.600 He sorry.

00:50:06.440 Or Callie, maybe author and Callie.

00:50:09.560 Maybe it's the maybe if the shilling didn't come across as fake and forced as the Truman Show product scene, then it would have made more sense.

00:50:17.680 Promotions can be done in a way that feel at least somewhat authentic.

00:50:21.120 This was crass.

00:50:21.980 Again, I agree 100 percent.

00:50:23.380 I have advertised products on this show.

00:50:26.660 In fact, most of the time when I advertising something on the show, it is something that I genuinely think is useful or at least, you know, I think is a positive thing.

00:50:36.360 Oftentimes, like I said, with the movie, you know, I have watched the movie and actually really liked it.

00:50:42.100 You can advertise for things that you think are valuable or positive.

00:50:47.680 Like those are options for you.

00:50:49.920 But ultimately, you know, you either way, you should make it clear it's an advertisement.

00:50:55.700 Right.

00:50:55.840 Like even if you're advertising for something you don't like, like that happens, I guess.

00:50:59.660 But like just say it's an advertisement.

00:51:02.200 It's that simple.

00:51:03.040 It's the desire to do the native advertising where you kind of walk into a otherwise, you know, normal looking post or video or whatever.

00:51:12.540 And then halfway through, you realize, oh, this person is just selling me something.

00:51:17.420 This is not actually their real thoughts.

00:51:19.180 This is not actually their real opinion.

00:51:20.940 This is not something that they're just, you know, recommending to me.

00:51:24.700 It is something that they've been explicitly paid to do.

00:51:27.580 And as you point out, when it's just so nakedly against the interest of the people you're advertising to, that's when it really looks crass. 0.67

00:51:34.840 Jacob says, why does the fat Malaysian get all the cola sponsorship? 1.00

00:51:39.980 Where's my money, Dr. Pepper? 0.96

00:51:41.440 I will shill.

00:51:42.560 Yeah.

00:51:42.920 Jay Burton, this is really the true scandal here.

00:51:45.860 Where is our Dr. Peppermint?

00:51:47.780 That's actually I'm just mad.

00:51:49.320 I'm mad I wasn't invited.

00:51:50.820 I 100% would have sold out my audience for however much they were offering.

00:51:55.740 And I'm just upset that no one asked me.

00:51:58.180 Yeah.

00:51:58.380 What's the old joke? 1.00

00:51:59.320 We already know you're a whore. 1.00

00:52:00.680 It's just about what the price is. 1.00

00:52:01.900 We're just negotiating the price.

00:52:03.280 And I'm offended.

00:52:03.900 I wasn't asked.

00:52:05.180 Right.

00:52:05.760 Like, like, certainly there is some number of money, amount of money for which I would sell my, my, my audience out.

00:52:13.040 And I wasn't even approached with this hundred dollars to sell my soul.

00:52:17.460 How terrible.

00:52:18.780 I'll put it this way.

00:52:19.860 If, if, you know, any federal agencies are looking, you know, you know where to find me.

00:52:26.880 Well, they, they might actually, that's kind of the problem.

00:52:30.300 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:31.100 And when we sit down, I fully expect to be given a, you know, a lucrative offer to shill and I'll, you'll be happy to consider it.

00:52:37.500 Yeah.

00:52:37.720 We're on the same team now.

00:52:38.920 Right.

00:52:39.160 Like that should be the, yeah.

00:52:40.400 Yeah.

00:52:40.760 Yeah.

00:52:40.960 Yeah.

00:52:41.120 Uh, Micah pole, uh, the great Micah pole says, I'm going to be a real here, guys.

00:52:46.840 I take the money to shill Milo's sweet tea.

00:52:50.020 Well, that's, so that's what I have here not to do the ad.

00:52:52.660 I've got the liquid death tea.

00:52:54.680 Uh, but, uh, like I said, it's, it's like, uh, you know, there's only like four grams of sugar or something.

00:52:59.760 No artificial sweetener.

00:53:01.280 I did not get the high fructose corn syrup.

00:53:04.060 So, uh, again, hopefully, you know, I'm sure that I'm sure the health bros will tell me why this is also bad for me.

00:53:10.420 I'm sure that's coming.

00:53:11.640 Uh, but, but I did my best to avoid it at this moment.

00:53:16.320 The healthiest sweet tea I can get ahold of.

00:53:18.280 Uh, he also says a Brondo was pay has paid off all of all the slop accounts. 0.97

00:53:24.320 It has electrolytes.

00:53:25.600 They said it's over.

00:53:27.060 Yeah, it's would be, it would be that I would have respected, right?

00:53:29.940 Like let's, let's get the full, uh, idiocracy, you know, president, uh, Camacho, uh, advertisement in there that I would, I would have, I would have been behind.

00:53:40.420 Um, yeah, I mean, look, uh, beverage has the electrolytes that kids on snap crave.

00:53:47.240 That's right.

00:53:47.780 We'll need to work with the, uh, you know, the slogan a little bit.

00:53:50.540 We can get it there.

00:53:51.540 I do love that.

00:53:52.540 It was about like making people pay for the soda of poor people.

00:53:58.040 That was my favorite.

00:53:58.820 It's just like, I don't know. 1.00

00:54:00.160 That's so dumb. 1.00

00:54:00.980 It's dumb. 1.00

00:54:01.980 It's, it's incredible. 0.99

00:54:02.900 They thought they were going to get away with it.

00:54:04.100 It's such a, it's such a bad tact.

00:54:06.800 It would be like, it would be like if you were trying to like infiltrate.

00:54:10.420 Like, you know, lefty Twitter to say, you know, kids need to listen to their dad more to buy steak.

00:54:17.120 You know, it's like, do you not understand what, what audience you're dealing with?

00:54:22.660 Right.

00:54:23.120 Like this is quite literally the biggest miss.

00:54:26.580 Yeah.

00:54:27.120 My, my native advertising for selling, uh, you know, Smith and Weston's to, to liberals.

00:54:31.720 Right.

00:54:32.120 Like that.

00:54:32.460 Yeah.

00:54:33.340 Yeah.

00:54:34.220 The new F-150 has an even bigger engine.

00:54:37.840 Right.

00:54:38.020 Yeah.

00:54:39.020 Yeah.

00:54:39.760 Yeah.

00:54:40.260 Just, just amazing.

00:54:41.540 Anyway, uh, Robert Weinsfeld says off topic, but maybe interesting because of an Austrian 1.00

00:54:46.040 painter's love for Coca-Cola.

00:54:47.680 They only sell off-brand sodas today at the Eagle's Nest.

00:54:52.140 I cannot say that I was familiar with any of those associations, but thank you.

00:54:56.540 Uh, Jacob says, uh, I have less of a problem with people using snap to buy sugary drinks

00:55:02.660 than I do seeing the women using food stamps, wearing her big hoop earrings and leaving the 1.00

00:55:07.120 Kroger parking lot in a very nice SUV.

00:55:09.640 Well, yeah.

00:55:09.940 How do you think that you buy the SUV?

00:55:12.500 Uh, how do you, how do you think you have the money to not get the SUV reboot?

00:55:15.760 Cause the government's buying all the food.

00:55:18.160 That's the whole point of the problem, right?

00:55:20.260 Like people who are gaming the system could probably feed their children.

00:55:25.360 They're choosing not to, and then using your money to buy these things.

00:55:28.980 So I hear you.

00:55:30.180 Yes.

00:55:30.420 That is the more infuriating aspect of it.

00:55:32.640 But these are, these are very, uh, connected, uh, you know, there's a causal relationship here.

00:55:38.220 Uh, Simplar says big soda knows that you're live, Jay.

00:55:45.420 Yep.

00:55:45.660 They're, they're coming for you.

00:55:46.640 That's, it's a good time to post that you don't have any information that would lead to

00:55:50.220 the arrest of big soda.

00:55:52.120 It's true.

00:55:52.860 Um, maybe that's what will finally take me down is my disparaging remarks about the Coca-Cola

00:55:58.160 corporation.

00:55:58.860 If you find me, uh, you know, uh, floating in a bathtub full of Mr. Piv, you know what happened?

00:56:04.800 It's dropped weights on his, uh, on his own neck.

00:56:08.220 While, uh, while drinking a Dr. Pepper.

00:56:10.660 Yeah.

00:56:11.360 Yeah.

00:56:11.800 He shot himself twice in the back of the head while holding a full six pack of diet Coke.

00:56:17.200 Well, while enjoying a Mountain Dew as his, is his constitutional right as a red blood American.

00:56:23.580 Exactly.

00:56:24.280 His hastily written suicide note said, I'm so sorry, guys.

00:56:27.580 We've got to get this back on snap EBT.

00:56:30.340 Yeah.

00:56:30.700 It's the fact that poor people are being denied Baja Blast as we speak right now is a crime

00:56:36.480 against humanity.

00:56:37.300 I, I just want to say, uh, I just want to say, you know, if I do turn up dead, I have

00:56:42.380 no intention whatsoever to Baja Blast myself.

00:56:46.040 I, uh, I'm in perfect spirits.

00:56:50.540 I want to live a long and happy life.

00:56:52.400 I'll see myself out.

00:56:54.840 Well, then Bar says, uh, their worst sin is that they've been destroyed and betrayed themselves

00:57:01.840 for diabetes.

00:57:03.200 Yeah.

00:57:03.640 Again, just, um, yeah, just, just not, not worth selling your soul for on that one.

00:57:08.840 Uh, uh, uh, uh, Aramaic discourse says, uh, this, uh, this was all organic grassroots upswelling.

00:57:16.220 Please ignore the Coca-Cola sales enforcement squad behind me.

00:57:19.980 Yeah.

00:57:20.460 Blink twice.

00:57:21.000 If you currently have a death, a death squad sent to you, uh, by Ameribov, please, please 0.97

00:57:26.880 let us know.

00:57:27.720 Uh, Michael Robertson says, Oh, awesome.

00:57:31.880 It's Jay Burden.

00:57:32.560 Thanks for all your good work, man.

00:57:33.880 I really enjoy your podcast timeline earth.

00:57:37.500 That's true.

00:57:38.140 That is my podcast.

00:57:39.460 And, uh, I'm glad you enjoy it.

00:57:41.740 I was going to say, you've renamed the podcast.

00:57:44.540 No timeline earth is another show that I'm claiming is mine.

00:57:48.640 Uh, other people host it, but let's be honest.

00:57:51.500 It is mine.

00:57:52.280 Okay.

00:57:52.820 Okay.

00:57:53.220 Fair enough.

00:57:53.660 I did not, I was not inside enough on this joke to properly assess the super chat.

00:57:58.440 This is, this is beaver inside baseball.

00:58:00.620 I'm, I'm left out in the cold.

00:58:03.520 Uh, a name I will not read, but thank you.

00:58:06.180 I've noticed an annoying trend where dissident rights, uh, right toys are cool with the anti 0.79

00:58:12.400 YouTube commies, just to spite Israel people like Jimmy door. 0.81

00:58:19.760 Uh, yeah, I mean, that's true.

00:58:22.040 There are people who I think ultimately align themselves with those that they would not

00:58:27.440 otherwise, uh, have political alliances with simply over the issue of Israel.

00:58:33.860 Um, and I don't think that's wise.

00:58:35.660 It leads you to make a lot of, you know, Prudentialist and I were making this point, right?

00:58:39.640 Like I am a, I am an, an Israel agnostic, uh, to the point of, of just don't take my

00:58:46.900 money.

00:58:47.240 Don't take my troops.

00:58:48.160 Don't take my money.

00:58:49.900 Uh, you guys are a sovereign nation.

00:58:52.020 You do what you want, but I don't want any of my blood or treasure, uh, being expended.

00:58:58.040 That's just not America's problem.

00:58:59.740 But there are people who have a more, uh, you know, a larger chip on their shoulder when

00:59:04.540 it comes to Israel and they'll put themselves in weird positions where they're like, well,

00:59:08.040 I don't want this Palestinian guy deported.

00:59:11.640 And it's like, well, I do like, like I, I, I, he shouldn't be here. 0.95

00:59:16.400 He hates my country.

00:59:17.680 Uh, he's here as a guest. 0.77

00:59:19.200 I would like him deported for other reasons than he protested Israel or whatever, but 0.66

00:59:24.720 ultimately if he's getting deported, that's what I want.

00:59:27.820 So I agree with you.

00:59:29.460 Ultimately, I think that there are, uh, positions people put themselves in, uh, just because they

00:59:35.000 have a larger disagreement with the nation of Israel, uh, and often put themselves on

00:59:39.700 the sides of kind of weird political company when they do that.

00:59:43.080 Uh, it doesn't mean I want, you know, Israel deciding my foreign policy or my domestic policy,

00:59:48.040 but I'm not going to like side with, you know, Palestinian protesters who would happily get 1.00

00:59:54.460 murder me and my family, uh, if they ultimately, uh, you know, could, uh, just because they have

01:00:00.360 some, you know, opinion that you, you might mildly disagree or might mildly agree with when

01:00:05.020 it comes to, um, you know, uh, I guess, middle Eastern foreign policy.

01:00:09.620 So, yeah, I mean, look, the world is not univariate, right?

01:00:15.100 There can be, you know, multiple, uh, interest groups or problems, you know, different things

01:00:20.740 can happen at once.

01:00:22.200 And oftentimes what you see is when someone gets obsessed with a singular fact about the

01:00:29.180 world, right?

01:00:29.780 That they either like or that they don't like, uh, they tie themselves in knots, right?

01:00:33.500 To make every decision in, you know, in response to that one variable, right?

01:00:39.360 So if, you know, Israel is your, you know, your, the thing you want to minimize the most 0.99

01:00:46.560 in American foreign policy, that's your one variable above all else, uh, you can put yourself

01:00:51.720 in ridiculous situations.

01:00:53.360 Similarly, you know, pick your poison, right? 0.96

01:00:55.660 Right.

01:00:55.980 Uh, and this isn't to take some kind of fence sitting position at all.

01:00:59.560 It's just to say that in the real world, you live in, you live under certain constraints.

01:01:05.000 And if you build a mental model where there is only one line and all we care about is

01:01:10.720 if that line goes up or goes down, you'll find yourself, uh, believing and supporting

01:01:15.420 truly ridiculous things, much like our commenter just brought up.

01:01:18.860 Yeah. 0.77

01:01:19.380 Just, just don't tunnel.

01:01:20.660 Don't, don't, you know, see the forest for the trees, you know, have, you know, it doesn't

01:01:24.100 mean you can't have an opinion on a specific issue, but just don't let that become, don't 1.00

01:01:28.720 drive you to make stupid decisions. 1.00

01:01:30.740 Like aligning yourself with people who hate you or hate your country, just cause they 1.00

01:01:35.240 might agree with you for a moment on one thing.

01:01:37.940 Uh, simpler says, uh, the right after, uh, this right after the electric state having

01:01:43.760 Mr. Peanut signing a surrender treaty to Bill Clinton really made the week.

01:01:50.240 Uh, I just have a stroke.

01:01:51.620 I don't understand what that means in the slightest.

01:01:53.680 I was going to say, do you smell toast?

01:01:55.840 Is that, is that just me?

01:01:57.080 Um, I think, so I think the electric state is a show I've seen advertisements.

01:02:03.160 I don't know anything about it.

01:02:05.420 Um, but I think it's like a streaming show or something.

01:02:07.780 So I'm, I'm assuming he's talking about the events of the show, but sorry, man, that,

01:02:12.080 that one is super, uh, inside baseball, uh, and to the point where we can't decipher it,

01:02:16.720 but, but appreciate the support.

01:02:19.120 Uh, and then Zong Wei says, Jay Burton smokes sherm.

01:02:23.700 That's true.

01:02:24.380 I don't know what that means again, but.

01:02:27.080 I don't know.

01:02:29.100 Should you, should we, should we verify this accusation?

01:02:31.500 I have no idea.

01:02:32.280 I don't know what it means either.

01:02:33.580 Okay.

01:02:33.820 Uh, I think I've just played up a joke.

01:02:35.440 I, I, I hope that that's nothing bad.

01:02:38.260 Uh, it might be something from, might be something from, uh, the Simpsons, but I'm not entirely

01:02:45.060 sure.

01:02:45.360 We'll go with that.

01:02:46.180 And if it means something else, I did not know what I was saying yes to.

01:02:49.360 Are we, are we not online enough, Jay?

01:02:51.540 Is that possible?

01:02:52.780 I feel old.

01:02:53.860 I feel like, are we, I mean, I am old, but you're not.

01:02:58.460 So like, you have no excuse.

01:02:59.980 Is this how you feel all the time?

01:03:01.760 This is agony.

01:03:02.840 I wonder what the kids are talking about.

01:03:04.860 Like, why are these things that I don't recognize?

01:03:07.420 I'm angry at all of them.

01:03:08.900 They're on my lawn.

01:03:10.380 Uh, it's only, yeah.

01:03:11.200 You're only a few years away from, from knowing exactly what this is like.

01:03:14.740 This perpetual, uh, confusion.

01:03:17.220 I see why you people are always upset all the time.

01:03:19.360 This is horrible.

01:03:20.460 Yeah.

01:03:20.780 Yeah.

01:03:21.020 Yeah.

01:03:21.260 Basically took my normal world and made it confusing.

01:03:24.420 Yeah.

01:03:24.620 You're going to be putting the little tennis balls on your Walker soon.

01:03:27.660 Like, uh, you know, looking for the early bird special.

01:03:30.020 It's only a matter of time.

01:03:31.340 That's true.

01:03:31.840 I can already feel my pants just migrating higher up my body. 0.85

01:03:36.000 Working their way under your, under your armpits. 0.83

01:03:38.600 Yeah.

01:03:38.900 Yep.

01:03:39.300 It's, it's, uh, it's just a matter of time, you know, 20, 25 year old.

01:03:43.240 And I've already looking for retirement homes.

01:03:45.300 Yeah.

01:03:45.700 To be fair, I've been old my whole life.

01:03:47.420 So I'm just arriving at a destination.

01:03:49.860 I've already been, you know, like I'm finally, the biology is catching, catching up to the

01:03:54.900 spirit.

01:03:55.300 You know what I mean?

01:03:55.880 You know, so not, not a big change for me.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - March 24, 2025

MAGA Influencers Sell Out over Soda？｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 3⧸24⧸25

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - March 24, 2025

MAGA Influencers Sell Out over Soda？ ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 3⧸24⧸25

Episode Stats

Summary

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MAGA Influencers Sell Out over Soda？｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 3⧸24⧸25