The Auron MacIntyre Show - Man and Technics ｜ Guest： Morgoth

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00:01:29.980 Hey guys, how's it going?

00:01:34.420 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

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00:01:42.160 Morgoth, thanks for coming on, man.

00:01:44.160 Nice to have you on again.

00:01:45.200 Last time we did Spengler, it was great.

00:01:47.920 This is a, hopefully you can pick up where we left off.

00:01:50.720 Yeah, anytime I want to talk about Spengler, I want to talk to Morgoth because he has excellent videos on it.

00:01:57.140 He's very well-versed on it.

00:01:58.220 We've had conversations about it previously.

00:02:00.820 And so when I wanted to go ahead and talk about the next book from Spengler, he was definitely the guy I wanted to go to.

00:02:08.480 So the book we're looking at today is Man and Technics.

00:02:12.800 And Spengler is interesting because his best-known book and probably, of course, his most important book is also a giant tome.

00:02:22.220 It's a thousand pages, right?

00:02:24.860 The Climb of the West is huge.

00:02:26.660 It's dense.

00:02:27.400 It's very complicated.

00:02:28.940 And so a lot of people who might otherwise be interested in Spengler are a little intimidated to just kind of pick up a thousand pages over two books and just dive deep in, especially when the second chapter is nothing but math.

00:02:42.880 So I guess the first thing I want to ask you, Morgoth, is what about men and Technics?

00:02:49.280 Where does this fit in Spengler's kind of canon?

00:02:52.540 Yeah, thankfully, Spengler tells us himself a little foreword that he's written to the book.

00:02:59.080 And he seems to be frustrated because Decline was so huge and a kind of meandered over all kinds of culture and architecture and art and music.

00:03:12.860 I think he was kind of like thinking, wait a minute, I've got some feedback from Decline and people don't get it.

00:03:20.080 You don't get the real black pill.

00:03:22.540 So he's condensed it all here to man and Technics.

00:03:28.900 And I think people think it's actually just about sort of man being eaten up by his machine and Western man in particular.

00:03:37.920 But by Technics, he means something a little bit more than that.

00:03:42.080 It's actually a way of living.

00:03:45.920 It's a Technics ends up being a way of, well, we can get into all of that, I guess.

00:03:50.880 But that's kind of where I would kick off with it.

00:03:55.300 Well, then let's, yeah, let's just go ahead and start out then.

00:03:58.600 What does he mean by Technics?

00:04:00.440 What's that definition or what is that process for him?

00:04:03.060 So in the beginning of the book, he makes a lot of analogies with the natural world, with herbivores and predators.

00:04:15.160 And he's saying that man is a predator.

00:04:16.880 And if you think, which is what he uses, a lion chasing a gazelle, like the actual tools that he has, that he's using are his teeth and his claws and his legs.

00:04:31.280 There's ability to chase or the lionesses to be more accurate, I suppose.

00:04:35.760 But the, so then you've got the tools, but what he's, what the Technics is actually the strategy.

00:04:43.520 So he says the Technics is the tactics of all life.

00:04:47.780 A lion chasing a gazelle is one, or a shark preying upon a fish.

00:04:52.100 The way they do is the Technics, it's just, it's just, it isn't just the machine or the tools.

00:05:00.160 It's more like a mode of being.

00:05:02.460 And this seems kind of a bit out there and a bit like, you know, where, what does this have to do with sort of what we expect from Spangler and machines?

00:05:11.640 And then he moves on and he spends quite a bit of time.

00:05:16.920 What he's doing is setting up the real basics of his worldview with this.

00:05:25.640 So the lion exists in such a way that he has a tactic of life.

00:05:31.940 He has a mode of actually existing in the world, which is automatic to him, beyond just having claws or big teeth.

00:05:41.860 It is in the nature of the lion.

00:05:43.900 It's his technique.

00:05:44.820 His Technics is to chase gazelles.

00:05:48.960 And then he goes on and says that man, man is a beast of prey.

00:05:53.300 And when you, to push it along a little bit, he also brings in man himself and then he splits it in two.

00:06:01.780 And I think this is very important because it's, he talks about the eye and the eye represents vision.

00:06:08.360 And then you will get the visionary and the eye is the man, is the man of truth, basically.

00:06:16.200 So the man of truth is looking for the causality of things, mainly looking in the past.

00:06:21.200 But this is also where you will find the priest.

00:06:23.560 You'll find the shaman, you'll find the philosopher and there's the unspiritualism.

00:06:30.520 The deeper questions are represented by the man of the eye.

00:06:34.060 And then you get the man of the hand, which is the fact man.

00:06:39.460 And so when to move on to what we were saying earlier about the lion, this now comes back into play.

00:06:46.160 And you, so if you think the hand and the hand holds an axe or a saw or something like that, and then you can begin to see, well, that's the tool.

00:06:59.360 What then is the technique of the man of the hand?

00:07:03.500 And that is actually, whereas the techniques, if you could even call it that, of the visionary man, the religious man, would be spiritualism.

00:07:13.720 It would be the quest for a metaphysical truth, for example, or truth.

00:07:18.920 The man of the hand, and a good way to sort of think of it, is that if you have an axe and you've got a log,

00:07:25.700 it's easier to chop the log downwards, going with the grain, rather than crossways where you're going against the grain.

00:07:35.960 And this is a basic kind of introduction to the techniques that he's going to talk about in terms of man.

00:07:41.680 And then he's going to be more specific when it comes to the Western Faustian man.

00:07:46.100 And that what you're doing is, if you have a piece of a log, and then you stand it on its end, and you bring the axe down from above, you go with the grain.

00:07:59.020 That's the most efficient way to chop up your firewood or whatever, over going crossways.

00:08:07.480 So the technique is then not just the tool, and not just the way of the tool, but there's something else higher guiding it,

00:08:17.080 which in this case would be a drive towards efficiency and making things easier.

00:08:23.340 So we get at the very most basic level, a kind of introduction into the use of technology and what it actually is,

00:08:34.700 what the actual technique is, is to make things easier.

00:08:40.700 Even at the, like, this is the most basic level, but he's going to expand upon that quite a bit.

00:08:46.740 There's a third bit that I would sort of, where you can bring in the more Faustian aspect to this is the use of the word weird.

00:08:58.940 And I had to ask one of the pagan bros how you actually said that, because it's an ancient Anglo-Saxon word.

00:09:07.140 There's a recurring theme when you, when we're talking about the Faustian civilization in the earliest potleg stages.

00:09:15.820 In this embryonic form, Spengler usually paints a sort of mystical scenario of a man of the north, of Vikings,

00:09:26.680 sort of roaming around under empty skies and across Vikings on their boats.

00:09:33.480 And he actually lists out at great length, like how far and how early the Vikings discovered places as far away as Morocco and Ukraine.

00:09:45.820 And so the word weird is interesting when you see where this is going, because it's a concept in Anglo-Saxon culture,

00:09:55.960 roughly corresponding to fate or personal destiny.

00:10:00.980 And the same word, so it's a very ancient Nordic word, and the same word weird,

00:10:08.260 which eventually we would know as weird today.

00:10:11.100 But it also has something very similar in Dutch, in the Nordic languages, in German,

00:10:19.040 in all of the, what he would regard as the Faustian civilizations, which, what would become.

00:10:26.420 And in actual fact, the real meaning of it is to become.

00:10:32.520 And it connotes fate or personal destiny.

00:10:37.040 And so we have here in the earlier stages quite a, sort of like a primordial brew from which something unique in all of world history is going to come.

00:10:48.140 So if we have the other civilizations, I did a video on them, it's like an hour long on my YouTube channel,

00:10:57.160 and I've got a podcast of it on Substack, where I actually explore a little bit the other,

00:11:02.780 like a brief guide to the other civilizations who all have their own prime symbol and sort of metaphysical impulse.

00:11:10.840 And what you'll find, whether it's the Greeks or the Magians or the Chinese,

00:11:18.880 they are sort of contained, and mostly they would, their destiny is in the hands of the gods.

00:11:26.120 And they are mainly, especially in the Greek and Roman civilization,

00:11:29.940 they are kind of like the playthings of the gods.

00:11:32.460 And so it's important when the weird concept, which is sort of the to become and the open destiny of the Faustian North,

00:11:46.240 because it means they're unbound, their destiny is open to infinity.

00:11:53.840 And this is eventually going to matter, it's going to matter a lot when you begin to bring in the technic side of it,

00:12:03.160 because the driving technic is, it's always been a little bit unhinged.

00:12:10.100 And the gist of the technic in the book of Marlon Technics is that the hand,

00:12:16.620 which is to say the pragmatism and just doing things for the sake of it, is then unbound also.

00:12:22.520 And so it slips the noose of, and Spengler's view is the grand tragedy of the visionary man, of the spiritual man.

00:12:36.780 And like in the primordial symbol, like in we had, the destiny is open to do, which he will dictate himself.

00:12:44.940 And the general arc of the book is that he, this is exactly what's happened,

00:12:49.280 that Western civilization has slipped the leash and gone rogue entirely, like against nature in total on earth.

00:12:57.960 So that's where I would sort of kick off with.

00:13:00.940 Yeah, plenty there.

00:13:03.860 So there, you know, no, no lack of things to kind of chase that down.

00:13:07.660 I guess let's go ahead and move a little bit, because you talked about this, you know, the, the hand and the eye,

00:13:13.460 the, the, the two different techniques, the kind of men and what would be controlled there.

00:13:21.020 One of the main focuses there, as you said, is once kind of the Fauci man slips the, the leash of the metaphysical,

00:13:28.340 the, one of the things that Spengler talks about in kind of that chapter is the focus on the utilitarian.

00:13:35.940 And, and you, before we got started, you were making some really good points, kind of along those lines.

00:13:41.820 Can you talk a little bit about that process of, of why?

00:13:45.660 I've actually got a bit to read here.

00:13:50.260 Why not?

00:13:50.780 It's in the beginning of the book.

00:13:52.920 So this is the, I've got it marked out here.

00:13:55.940 I'll read the, particularly, I, I, like, there's a lot of good stuff in here,

00:13:59.940 but sometimes you just get these like lovely little Spenglerisms in his writing.

00:14:05.620 And then this one's got one.

00:14:07.580 And it's, he says, utility meant what was conducive to the happiness of the majority.

00:14:13.000 And this happiness consisted of leisure.

00:14:14.940 You can see he's kind of got the usual disdain for the, the mass man that you'll find in so many of the people.

00:14:22.340 This is in the final analysis, the doctrine of Jeremy Bentham, Mill and Spencer.

00:14:27.480 The aim of mankind was held to consist in relieving the individual of as much work as possible

00:14:34.700 and putting the burden on the machine.

00:14:36.840 Freedom from, in quotes, misery of wage slavery, equality in amusements and comforts and enjoyment of art.

00:14:46.140 Again, in kind of mocking quotes.

00:14:49.380 Thus do the bread and circuses of the cosmopolitan cities of the late periods announce themselves.

00:14:55.660 The progressive Philistine became excited over every button that set an apparatus in motion for the supposed sparing of human labor.

00:15:05.300 In the place of the authentic religion of earlier times came a shallow enthusiasm for, in quotes, achievements of humanity,

00:15:14.820 by which nothing more was meant than progress in tech and the techniques of labor saving and amusement making.

00:15:22.420 Of the soul, not one word was discussed.

00:15:26.320 So you can see he's really critical of a sort of materialism, which the machine age seems to be bringing forward.

00:15:36.060 And in this as well, he makes another good point.

00:15:39.000 You can see also the sort of knife in the heart of Marxist thinking as well and progressivism in general,

00:15:47.160 because what he points out is that actually the machine was, the promise of the machine was that it would make things easier.

00:15:58.300 It would lighten the load and that man would have more time over.

00:16:03.140 This actually never happened.

00:16:04.420 And what he says later is that instead of getting what you've got is lots of hair, a very few heads and lots of hands,

00:16:13.440 you just need an ever greater supply of hands to run the machinery because you, you, you are kind of, we are Faustians unbound.

00:16:23.200 There's no limit on it.

00:16:24.580 There's never going to be enough production, which he'll, he'll come back to at the end of the book.

00:16:29.440 So yeah, funny enough, that's exactly the first passage that I marked here.

00:16:33.880 That's what I was like, I'm going to read this.

00:16:36.160 This is a great passage.

00:16:37.060 And then you had the exact same one.

00:16:38.820 So that's, that's kind of funny.

00:16:40.940 But yeah, that's a thing that really grabbed me in the book is that he really talks about the need to the maintenance of these systems,

00:16:51.280 not just the machines themselves, though that is of course a big part of it, but the social abstractions,

00:16:57.060 how each one of these things that was supposed to better our existence and reduce our labor and otherwise kind of remove us from the human condition

00:17:07.780 actually demands increasingly more and more of our time until we warp our society and our existence and kind of our understanding of what was the metaphysical

00:17:17.620 around the maintenance of these completely artificial and separate things that no longer really tie us to humanity,

00:17:24.780 the land, kind of a natural existence that we otherwise would value.

00:17:28.940 Yes, and this, this, so this is the technic, this is, so the, the, the, the man, the man of, of technics,

00:17:37.560 this is to him in the same way that the lion adopts the nature and it gets worse.

00:17:45.380 I mean, just on a, just on a, yeah, like this is, everybody knows that Spengler, like reading Spengler is not a happy time,

00:17:54.520 but he, one of the things that this leads to, I'm jumping ahead a little bit,

00:17:59.300 but one of the problems with the, the kind of the utilitarian frame,

00:18:03.300 which he emphasizes again and again and again in man and technics,

00:18:07.640 which is because you can see that that's where it's just efficiency and you end up with a situation where we begin to think like machines,

00:18:16.820 we begin to behave like machines and the great arc here is, is that in, in, in, you,

00:18:24.660 we've become enslaved to the machine in more ways than, well, I need the microwave to cook my tea or I need the car to take me there.

00:18:36.040 It's actually deeper than that because we think like machines.

00:18:38.880 We think in just in terms of raw efficiency, which is why he says here, um, of the soul,

00:18:45.800 not one word was discussed, meaning to get back to the, the, the difference between the man of vision,

00:18:51.680 the man of the eye and the man of the, the hand, the man of the, the spiritual man is now gone from the equation here.

00:18:59.760 So you've, you're just left with, with the techniques.

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00:19:32.380 Well, you, you were also relaying to me one of your, cause I've seen this video,

00:19:37.440 the one you were talking about the,

00:19:38.760 the Rhine and how people weren't able to understand it as something essential to kind of the spirit of the German people,

00:19:46.400 but instead is simply something to, to serve a commercial purpose.

00:19:50.120 And the only sad part about its passing would be that you could no longer use it as a unit of,

00:19:56.100 you know, economic distribution.

00:19:57.640 Yeah, there was an article that I did and a video maybe in the summer when you,

00:20:07.360 they had these stones in Germany and the water of the Rhine had dropped to historically low levels.

00:20:15.880 But I think Spengler would have no problem like siding with the climate change like as a cause of that.

00:20:22.960 And I didn't want to get into that on the article.

00:20:25.300 I was like, yeah, I'm not, it could be, I'm not going to get into that here.

00:20:29.440 But he would probably say, yeah, it is, this is it.

00:20:31.840 You brought this on yourselves.

00:20:33.720 What he would disagree with would be the solutions,

00:20:37.120 which are actually like the full hell of what his predictions would be.

00:20:43.220 But, um,

00:20:44.640 so what amazed me was that we have the river Rhine,

00:20:48.700 it's historically low and there were these pebbles and it would be,

00:20:52.620 say something like Hans, uh, sort of 1952.

00:20:56.580 And it would mean the last time this big rock, uh,

00:21:00.500 had been exposed because the tide was so low.

00:21:03.040 The, the, the locals went down and painted their names on it.

00:21:06.060 And one of them, um, said, if you see me, then cry.

00:21:11.440 Meaning that if, if the water, if the water goes this low,

00:21:15.640 famine is coming basically.

00:21:16.980 Um, but the, the newspaper articles, uh, which,

00:21:21.800 which were just describing this were kind of like the,

00:21:27.280 the, the, the, the, the river Rhine is drying up and this could be bad for

00:21:31.180 Germans, Germany economy.

00:21:32.860 And then you dug into it and it was like, well,

00:21:35.420 the Germans use the barges.

00:21:37.780 They use the rain as a transportation hub for cement and tar and,

00:21:43.560 and, and heavy goods and scrap metal.

00:21:45.720 And I thought this is the river Rhine that we're talking about.

00:21:49.720 Like this is, this is like a spiritual point.

00:21:53.980 It's really important.

00:21:55.820 This is the reign of the rain maidens.

00:21:57.920 It's the reign of romantic paintings.

00:22:00.720 It's a deeply and profoundly connected to the German German,

00:22:05.660 Germanic identity, but I would say European identity, uh,

00:22:09.400 in, in, in general.

00:22:11.760 And here we are like this, this, this is a massive, massive deal.

00:22:16.520 And yet when you're, when we're looking at the rain is drying up,

00:22:21.080 it's like, Oh, this is, we can't transport cement.

00:22:24.040 Is it, is this.

00:22:25.320 So what you've done is utterly, uh, as Max Weber would say,

00:22:29.920 disenchant the world.

00:22:31.920 I think you can actually go through various stages of that happening as

00:22:36.260 well, where, um, we're at the stage now where it,

00:22:40.500 it only exists in a, in a utilitarian form.

00:22:44.940 It only exists.

00:22:46.580 The rain itself has been enslaved as,

00:22:49.820 as Spengler will point out in Marlin Technics.

00:22:52.800 Um, all of nature will just be enslaved.

00:22:56.300 It's, it's interesting because we mentioned before,

00:22:58.880 it went live to CS Lewis connection to all of this.

00:23:01.380 He even mentions, uh, a waterfall and the same applies here again,

00:23:06.520 you know, like in abolition of man,

00:23:08.360 when the boy applies, uh, a value, uh, on, uh, on a waterfall,

00:23:15.340 on a, on a spring or a fountain.

00:23:17.420 And he says, it's beautiful.

00:23:18.840 And it's like, well, no, that it is just,

00:23:21.060 it is just water falling off a rock or in the case of the rain,

00:23:24.880 it is actually just handy to transport cement.

00:23:28.560 And what you've done is strip all metaphysical meaning.

00:23:33.200 Uh, you've just gutted it.

00:23:35.160 Um, and it's a terrific thing.

00:23:37.440 I mean, back to Marlin Technics,

00:23:40.220 Martin Heidegger was actually really affected by this short book.

00:23:45.340 And he would go on to address some of these questions,

00:23:48.980 like at much, much greater length and complexity.

00:23:53.760 Um, but he, uh, on the subject of the river Rhine,

00:23:59.740 he was heartbroken because I think it was in the 1950s,

00:24:04.480 they, they dammed up the river Rhine.

00:24:07.020 They turned it into this giant hydroelectric sort of energy supply.

00:24:12.740 So Heidegger's point is the same as Spengler's, um,

00:24:17.920 and C.S. Lewis's again, where it's like, well, you,

00:24:21.700 you've changed what the Rhine is then,

00:24:25.120 because it is no longer some mystical thing.

00:24:29.080 It is no longer this special spiritual thing.

00:24:32.540 It's, it's, it's, it's now just what Heidegger would say,

00:24:36.300 a standing reserve.

00:24:37.820 It is now just a quantity of water,

00:24:40.160 which will produce X amount of, uh, kilowatts in,

00:24:45.120 in for power stations.

00:24:47.140 Um, and this, this is, this is the essence of Marlin Technics.

00:24:50.500 It's this tragedy.

00:24:52.560 And what's, I mean, you know, when you read this as well,

00:24:57.400 it is, um, Spengler's very heavily influenced by Goethe

00:25:01.920 and you get into the sort of Faustian myth.

00:25:05.700 There's more to it than just this kind of obsessive drive

00:25:09.500 to go into like empty spaces, uh,

00:25:12.480 because you've got the tragedy to it as well,

00:25:14.660 which a lot of people don't like.

00:25:16.060 A lot of people, I mean, I'll, I'll get comments from,

00:25:18.800 from people, um, in the, in the, in the scene.

00:25:21.880 And they, they really don't like that.

00:25:24.800 It's essentially it's negative.

00:25:26.500 Um, you know, which like we should be positive

00:25:31.200 about, uh, European people and history and everything.

00:25:35.180 And this is a profoundly negative, uh, vision,

00:25:38.860 which Spengler paints here,

00:25:40.360 but he's not interested in that for him.

00:25:43.240 It's more like a grand drama or tragedy playing out.

00:25:46.880 And he writes it that way as well.

00:25:49.880 Now, this destruction of the metaphysical

00:25:52.480 through the mastery of, you know,

00:25:55.500 these things that used to be essential to the land

00:25:57.720 and the life of the people.

00:25:59.520 Um, is that, uh, cause I feel like he says

00:26:02.640 that's part of a civilizational cycle

00:26:04.400 for all civilizations, right?

00:26:06.140 Like once the, you've, you've got the age of cities

00:26:09.400 and all your institutions have, you know,

00:26:11.560 kind of become sclerotic and, and every,

00:26:13.960 all the, all the institutions are now standing in

00:26:17.720 for the metaphysical signs,

00:26:19.600 but they're only shadows of kind of what was there before.

00:26:22.300 Is this, is this mastery and this hollowing

00:26:25.460 out of metaphysics particular to Faustian man?

00:26:28.280 Or is, is that experience separate for them?

00:26:30.700 What would he say to that?

00:26:31.580 Do you think?

00:26:32.460 Well, it, it happens on all civilizations,

00:26:34.720 but the difference with Faustian civilization

00:26:37.020 is the aspect of seemingly being at war with nature,

00:26:41.820 um, which, which, which isn't, isn't really,

00:26:45.940 I mean, people could dispute this, uh, to be fair.

00:26:49.420 Um, I think there was some real issues

00:26:51.680 with the, the, the Mayan civilization

00:26:53.940 in South America, but by and large,

00:26:56.680 they didn't destroy the world

00:26:59.000 in the, in the sort of the epoch

00:27:00.780 of their civilization.

00:27:01.900 Um, because people will say, like,

00:27:06.040 we can't actually, the, the, the cycle

00:27:08.560 of civilizations, it can't happen to us

00:27:12.180 because we've got like standing reserves

00:27:15.840 of nuclear weapons.

00:27:16.820 We've got nuclear power stations.

00:27:18.740 Like what's going to happen to all of that stuff?

00:27:21.860 Uh, if, if like all the lights go off

00:27:24.400 and there's nobody there to man them anymore

00:27:26.340 or, well, yeah, that's, that's a question,

00:27:28.820 isn't it?

00:27:29.700 Right.

00:27:30.560 That's a good question.

00:27:31.640 Maybe somebody should be thinking about that.

00:27:34.000 Uh, so yeah, it's, and in general,

00:27:38.140 if you, if you think of, um,

00:27:40.220 the other civilizations,

00:27:42.160 if you take the Greeks, for example,

00:27:44.580 they, they would, of course, harvest fish.

00:27:47.060 They would, of course, uh, grow things

00:27:49.920 and, um, they, they, they would be

00:27:52.820 in, in a way exploiting nature.

00:27:55.560 What's different about the, the, the Faustian man

00:27:58.320 is that he's taking like the very elementals

00:28:01.360 of nature and turning it into energy.

00:28:04.720 Um, like really, if you think of the coal,

00:28:07.860 just hauling, which he talks about quite a bit

00:28:10.400 in Man and Technics, like the, the, the coal,

00:28:13.860 the, the sort of the fuel buried deep

00:28:16.100 within the, the, the bosom of the earth.

00:28:18.600 And, and he, he paints these pictures

00:28:20.700 where the earth's just being like torn open

00:28:22.700 and violated to bring out all of this,

00:28:25.940 all of her secrets will just,

00:28:27.640 it's almost like she's being raped.

00:28:29.600 It's almost like mother earth is being raped

00:28:32.100 by Faustian man.

00:28:33.320 And, or like even the, the nuclear power,

00:28:36.040 the idea of splitting the atom, you know,

00:28:38.600 which isn't even to touch on the, the sort

00:28:41.260 of the transhuman things and all the genomes

00:28:44.720 and everything, which is coming down the line.

00:28:47.120 It's, it's more like there's nothing sacred about it.

00:28:50.600 And this is why people have a problem

00:28:52.760 because it does paint quite a, it is quite

00:28:56.880 a damning assessment of, of Western civilization,

00:29:00.160 which is being laid out here.

00:29:02.800 It's, it's, there's a sort of touch

00:29:04.280 of postmodernism about Spengler as well,

00:29:06.880 which kind of upends your worldview.

00:29:09.120 But he's, he would, as A would say,

00:29:11.660 it's more of a value neutral.

00:29:14.580 He's more objective.

00:29:15.840 He's looking at things as they are.

00:29:18.500 I just, like just standing back

00:29:21.480 and thinking of it as this grand saga,

00:29:24.500 which is playing out.

00:29:26.360 Yeah.

00:29:26.420 He's not really advocating for a particular culture

00:29:30.360 or lifestyle or program or any of these things

00:29:33.240 in general, at least not in, in the most,

00:29:36.480 for the most part, for the most part,

00:29:37.680 he's in this kind of assessment mode,

00:29:39.640 which drives a lot of people crazy.

00:29:41.740 Everyone wants answers.

00:29:42.880 Everyone wants solutions.

00:29:44.440 Everyone wants advocations of programs

00:29:46.920 and actionable items,

00:29:48.220 but that's not really what Spengler is about.

00:29:50.760 He's about trying to better understand this.

00:29:53.060 And for Spengler, I think a lot of this is inevitable, right?

00:29:57.420 He's a man who believes deeply in destiny.

00:30:00.120 He talks about kind of the deep,

00:30:02.520 the deep sense of kind of cope,

00:30:05.400 the idea of that, that progress

00:30:07.320 and the literature and all these other things

00:30:10.740 that we kind of wrap ourselves in

00:30:12.740 to try to tell ourselves

00:30:13.860 that we don't have to go through the cycle,

00:30:15.780 that we don't have to experience these things.

00:30:18.000 You know, it little,

00:30:19.500 maybe a little too deterministic

00:30:20.920 for some people, even for myself,

00:30:22.280 but certainly something he is relentless about, right?

00:30:25.640 He doesn't really, you know,

00:30:26.380 this book, as you pointed out,

00:30:27.780 has the famous quote

00:30:29.360 that optimism is for cowards, right?

00:30:33.040 Yeah, I mean, that's such a beauty

00:30:34.560 that I think I'll read through it.

00:30:38.140 We'll do that the full,

00:30:40.620 we're full of justice.

00:30:41.860 Get your black pills ready, boys.

00:30:44.620 Strap in, yeah.

00:30:46.100 Strap in, strap in and enjoy the raid.

00:30:48.780 And so what's, of course,

00:30:52.260 when you go back

00:30:53.100 and you think of the sort of the primitive,

00:30:55.840 well, I wouldn't say primitive,

00:30:57.320 but the early Faustian man

00:31:00.360 and the idea that his destiny,

00:31:03.320 unlike those of the other civilizations,

00:31:05.620 it wasn't set.

00:31:07.160 I mean, he points out that

00:31:08.360 even in the age of Christianity,

00:31:12.240 God in Europe

00:31:15.700 was not so much a king on a throne,

00:31:19.400 which you would find in other civilizations,

00:31:23.040 very tangible,

00:31:24.940 very sort of there in the moment.

00:31:27.200 The God in Western civilization,

00:31:29.560 he became like an infinite force.

00:31:32.780 Like it just,

00:31:34.220 it's like everything is in this drive.

00:31:37.200 Everything is about infinity and its force.

00:31:40.040 And what he also points up on,

00:31:43.580 even going back to the early monks,

00:31:46.500 Roger Bacon,

00:31:47.560 and it's this idea of a machine of perpetual motion,

00:31:51.320 which of course connects up to the infinity thing,

00:31:54.280 where nothing would ever be settled.

00:31:56.120 Nothing would ever just be still.

00:31:58.140 It was just this enormous drive,

00:32:01.060 this push through time,

00:32:03.900 and to constantly be laying the tracks

00:32:06.380 of civilization down,

00:32:08.560 like without end.

00:32:10.040 Without end.

00:32:11.620 And the reason why

00:32:13.260 the sort of the utilitarianism,

00:32:15.500 which he hammers in early on

00:32:17.920 when you go back to the hand

00:32:19.580 and the techniques,

00:32:20.800 which it would kind of facilitate,

00:32:23.380 is that when you keep going down

00:32:25.820 that road and road again and again,

00:32:28.660 you're going to end up in this place

00:32:30.340 where the metaphysics is gone,

00:32:32.780 the religion's gone,

00:32:34.060 spirituality's gone.

00:32:35.320 All of this stuff has been left by the wayside

00:32:37.980 in this drive towards efficiency,

00:32:40.880 and all that you're left with

00:32:42.640 is being enslaved to the machine logic.

00:32:47.480 Yeah, absolutely.

00:32:49.060 There's so much to go over here,

00:32:52.620 and we've only kind of got this one show so far,

00:32:55.320 as you pointed out,

00:32:56.060 when we were talking beforehand.

00:32:57.080 You could do a whole series on this.

00:32:59.160 But I do want to get us to some of the last 20 pages or so.

00:33:04.540 We've touched into it a couple times,

00:33:07.200 but it's rife with predictions

00:33:10.500 that manifest themselves on a pretty regular basis.

00:33:14.880 And so it's kind of wild.

00:33:16.880 There's a lot in there and a lot to unpack,

00:33:18.980 but we'll do our best to kind of touch

00:33:20.080 on the bright points while we're here.

00:33:22.260 So one of the things,

00:33:23.900 because this is just something that I encounter so often

00:33:26.920 in so many of the things that I'm talking about,

00:33:29.960 is that he really points to the centralization,

00:33:34.300 how these techniques will eventually consume entire civilizations,

00:33:39.180 and that basically you will have

00:33:41.980 either these high civilizations

00:33:43.300 that are able to produce these techniques,

00:33:46.860 and all the other kind of nations around the world

00:33:50.100 will simply become subsidiaries.

00:33:54.060 They'll simply become tools for harvesting the raw materials

00:33:56.960 or processing the things that then feed the giant machine.

00:34:00.320 And if that's not really a prediction of globalism,

00:34:03.220 then I don't know what is.

00:34:05.400 Yeah, and he also,

00:34:06.920 another great Spanglerism is that he says

00:34:09.880 that we've shifted from an organic society

00:34:13.240 to an organized society,

00:34:15.280 which is a subtle, nice little play on words,

00:34:18.340 but it says, as so often the case,

00:34:20.960 it really says a lot,

00:34:22.260 and the drive towards uniformity.

00:34:25.200 When you go along to your job,

00:34:27.220 in the jobs that I've had,

00:34:29.420 you wear a uniform,

00:34:30.960 meaning that you've become part of this collective block,

00:34:35.240 which is centralized,

00:34:37.060 and which goes to serve the state,

00:34:39.820 the system,

00:34:41.020 just the machine in general.

00:34:43.080 And an interesting thing that he points out,

00:34:46.360 which I'd never picked up on before,

00:34:48.380 I just reread it today and yesterday,

00:34:51.560 is that when you've got this standardized collective block

00:34:55.580 from the sort of the centralized system,

00:34:58.700 it creates a sort of backlash,

00:35:02.420 which is specific to the Faustinism,

00:35:04.880 where somebody will want to define their own individuality

00:35:13.320 as against the kind of collective block.

00:35:16.500 And I was reading it,

00:35:17.560 and I couldn't help but think of sort of the 1950s nuclear family,

00:35:21.940 and then in the sort of the century of the self,

00:35:25.580 the Adam Curtis documentary,

00:35:27.240 what came in in the 60s,

00:35:30.600 where you have like the societal norm,

00:35:35.960 which is almost like this perfectly ticking machine

00:35:39.500 of capitalism production and technological advance.

00:35:44.280 And it is uniform,

00:35:45.620 and it is a sort of collective block.

00:35:47.360 And that was actually the critique

00:35:49.000 of some of the cultural Marxist types,

00:35:54.360 Adorno and whatnot.

00:35:55.260 And a lot of them were influenced by Spengler as well.

00:36:00.260 And what that led to is interesting,

00:36:03.160 because you can see that on the left,

00:36:06.680 what would become the cultural left,

00:36:08.820 would be this idea that I will have some kind of

00:36:13.140 outlandish lifestyle or sexuality

00:36:15.700 or whatever fashion statements

00:36:18.460 as a way to mark my individuality

00:36:22.540 in opposition to the collective mass.

00:36:26.220 But the problem with that is that

00:36:28.300 that was sort of,

00:36:30.140 that was kind of contained

00:36:33.080 and created by the system itself.

00:36:36.160 So today,

00:36:37.520 today,

00:36:38.380 you know,

00:36:38.820 everybody,

00:36:39.840 we've ended up in this weird situation today

00:36:42.500 where you get,

00:36:43.640 it's like,

00:36:44.820 you get the new thing.

00:36:46.300 What do they call it?

00:36:47.040 Like the current thing.

00:36:48.260 I support the current thing,

00:36:50.080 but everybody who supports the current thing

00:36:51.920 thinks they are like individuals.

00:36:54.840 So many of the weird and wacky behavior

00:36:57.300 of people on the left is in the,

00:37:00.440 you know,

00:37:01.060 it's kind of tragic

00:37:02.660 because they want to define

00:37:04.540 that individuality against the norm,

00:37:06.820 but the norm no longer exists.

00:37:08.800 They are the norm.

00:37:10.380 Yes.

00:37:10.920 It's as if we,

00:37:12.260 so what we've created

00:37:13.360 is the anti-civilization

00:37:15.400 and instead of having a,

00:37:17.480 like people would say,

00:37:18.880 well,

00:37:19.060 you know,

00:37:19.420 the 1950s standard nuclear family,

00:37:21.900 it was bull,

00:37:22.920 it was boring,

00:37:23.600 and that itself

00:37:25.040 was a creation of capitalism

00:37:27.460 and the system,

00:37:29.540 which,

00:37:30.080 okay,

00:37:30.340 that's fair enough,

00:37:31.420 but all you've done,

00:37:33.000 all we have now

00:37:34.060 is an inversion of that

00:37:35.760 and nobody is free because of it.

00:37:38.260 At least on the old one,

00:37:40.640 you could say it was healthy.

00:37:42.280 You could say it still had some kind of,

00:37:45.160 it still had a kind of meaning to it,

00:37:50.300 even if through nothing more

00:37:52.080 than standard family,

00:37:53.640 kids,

00:37:54.680 an order in your life.

00:37:56.420 And what they have done

00:37:57.220 is create this sort of anti-civilization

00:37:59.620 in the name of being in opposition

00:38:02.160 to the collective,

00:38:03.320 but falling straight into the next trap

00:38:05.360 of the system.

00:38:06.800 Well,

00:38:07.320 and again,

00:38:07.720 this is,

00:38:08.640 you know,

00:38:09.260 to kind of go with our theme

00:38:10.700 of this running parallel

00:38:11.860 to something like abolition of man,

00:38:13.920 this is what C.S. Lewis talks about,

00:38:15.500 right?

00:38:15.740 The,

00:38:16.660 once you have created

00:38:18.280 a set of social engineers

00:38:20.100 completely capable

00:38:21.080 of separating man

00:38:22.680 from his natural impulses,

00:38:24.620 natural rhythms of life,

00:38:26.300 unable to recognize

00:38:27.940 kind of where he came from,

00:38:30.620 then you'll be able to,

00:38:32.160 you know,

00:38:32.280 the next generation

00:38:32.900 won't be men truly anymore.

00:38:34.920 They can't even recognize

00:38:36.240 that they're no longer tied

00:38:37.760 to these things

00:38:38.440 because they've never known them

00:38:39.920 in the first place.

00:38:40.840 And it's interesting

00:38:41.660 that so much of this

00:38:43.740 came together,

00:38:44.940 that massification

00:38:46.240 and social engineering,

00:38:47.580 this centralization,

00:38:49.220 creation of Leviathan

00:38:50.380 coincides so much

00:38:52.900 with the,

00:38:54.260 you know,

00:38:54.580 the mastery of techniques

00:38:55.740 and then also

00:38:56.720 the social engineering.

00:38:58.260 all of these things,

00:38:59.400 you know,

00:39:00.540 move simultaneously.

00:39:01.920 They interact.

00:39:03.180 They're required.

00:39:04.880 Each one requires the other

00:39:06.600 to operate properly.

00:39:08.300 It's a,

00:39:08.880 it's a little,

00:39:09.960 little eerie,

00:39:10.700 a little terrifying

00:39:11.380 when you kind of think about it.

00:39:13.260 Yeah.

00:39:13.980 Yeah,

00:39:14.260 it is.

00:39:14.640 I thought the,

00:39:15.900 the part that I was,

00:39:17.260 I was going to read out

00:39:18.520 because I don't know

00:39:19.300 how long we've got.

00:39:20.620 Yeah,

00:39:20.820 yeah,

00:39:20.960 go for it.

00:39:21.520 There's some spicy things.

00:39:23.000 There's actually some,

00:39:23.900 some spicy things

00:39:25.020 which Susan would not be happy

00:39:26.500 about in this movie.

00:39:27.180 Oh,

00:39:27.480 okay.

00:39:27.640 We've got to be careful

00:39:29.100 with that.

00:39:30.160 But he,

00:39:30.800 he does,

00:39:31.280 he does make the point

00:39:32.200 of the,

00:39:32.600 the sort of the,

00:39:33.340 the way that we,

00:39:35.420 the West just gave away

00:39:36.800 its toys and its trinkets

00:39:38.040 to the,

00:39:38.500 everybody else in the world.

00:39:39.840 And one,

00:39:40.780 one kind of prediction

00:39:41.800 is that eventually

00:39:42.560 all of these,

00:39:44.240 all of these toys,

00:39:45.520 all of these machines

00:39:46.700 and technologies

00:39:47.420 will be turned on

00:39:48.380 Faustian man

00:39:49.200 himself.

00:39:51.480 And,

00:39:51.800 and it's,

00:39:52.640 it's kind of like,

00:39:53.380 yeah,

00:39:53.600 that he comes to the end

00:39:55.120 and it's like,

00:39:55.560 that's not quite bleak enough.

00:39:57.640 Uh,

00:39:58.200 and then he,

00:39:59.540 yeah,

00:39:59.780 I'll skip that because Susan

00:40:01.260 wouldn't like it,

00:40:01.840 but he says,

00:40:02.160 this machine technology

00:40:03.920 will end with the Faustian

00:40:05.480 civilization

00:40:06.160 and will one day

00:40:07.820 lie shattered

00:40:08.580 and forgotten.

00:40:09.820 Railways and steamships

00:40:11.200 as good as the old

00:40:12.420 Roman roads

00:40:14.060 and the Chinese wall.

00:40:15.620 Our giant cities

00:40:16.620 with their skyscrapers,

00:40:18.140 just like the old palaces

00:40:19.440 of Memphis

00:40:20.060 and Babylon.

00:40:20.720 The history of this technology

00:40:22.940 is fast approaching

00:40:24.100 its inevitable end.

00:40:25.720 It will be eaten up

00:40:26.840 from within

00:40:27.440 like all great forms

00:40:29.040 of any culture.

00:40:30.620 When and in what fashion

00:40:32.060 we know not.

00:40:33.740 Faced with this destiny,

00:40:35.440 there is only one world view

00:40:37.140 that is worthy of us.

00:40:39.060 The aforementioned

00:40:39.940 one of Achilles.

00:40:41.540 Better a short life

00:40:42.560 full of deeds

00:40:43.320 and glory

00:40:44.160 than a long

00:40:45.040 and empty one.

00:40:46.200 The danger is so great

00:40:47.780 for every individual,

00:40:49.560 every class,

00:40:50.400 every people

00:40:51.040 that it is pathetic

00:40:52.400 to delude oneself.

00:40:54.340 Time cannot be stopped.

00:40:56.040 There is absolutely

00:40:57.000 no way back.

00:40:58.820 No wise renunciation

00:41:00.120 to be made.

00:41:01.540 Only dreamers

00:41:02.600 believe in ways out.

00:41:04.300 Optimism is cowardice.

00:41:06.140 We are born in this time

00:41:07.500 and must bravely follow

00:41:08.980 the path

00:41:09.560 to the destined end.

00:41:11.600 There is no other way.

00:41:13.260 Our duty is to hold on

00:41:14.780 to the lost position

00:41:15.800 without hope,

00:41:16.940 without rescue.

00:41:18.100 To hold on

00:41:18.860 like that Roman soldier

00:41:20.220 whose bones were found

00:41:21.780 in front of a door

00:41:23.220 in Pompeii

00:41:23.940 who died

00:41:24.800 because they forgot

00:41:25.780 to relieve him

00:41:26.780 when Vesuvius erupted.

00:41:28.860 This is greatness.

00:41:30.340 This is to have race.

00:41:32.660 The honourable end

00:41:33.680 is the one thing

00:41:34.920 that cannot be taken

00:41:36.220 from man.

00:41:38.660 He really sugarcoats it.

00:41:40.540 Yeah, he really lightens you up,

00:41:44.060 doesn't he?

00:41:44.480 He really lightens up your day.

00:41:46.120 Yeah, it is quite

00:41:47.860 the wordsmith, though.

00:41:49.000 Yeah, it's interesting

00:41:50.180 because, you know,

00:41:52.620 I always,

00:41:53.760 every time I think

00:41:54.440 about this aspect

00:41:55.420 of Spangler,

00:41:56.280 I always,

00:41:57.060 my mind always goes

00:41:57.880 to Nick Land

00:41:58.560 who also talked a lot

00:42:00.500 about, you know,

00:42:02.160 the, basically,

00:42:04.480 technics

00:42:04.960 and to the point

00:42:06.260 where they basically

00:42:07.120 escape humanity

00:42:08.280 and do their own thing.

00:42:09.900 basically, you know,

00:42:12.380 and Land can be

00:42:13.560 a little, you know,

00:42:15.140 unclear,

00:42:15.680 so maybe I'm missing

00:42:16.620 part of it,

00:42:17.180 but for him,

00:42:18.320 it almost seems like,

00:42:19.460 you know,

00:42:20.320 what some would call capital

00:42:22.400 might be these

00:42:23.280 Faustian technics,

00:42:24.320 and for him,

00:42:25.220 he almost thinks

00:42:25.900 that they'll become

00:42:27.000 self-sustaining,

00:42:28.060 that at some point,

00:42:28.940 like, what do you think

00:42:30.180 about that possibility

00:42:31.060 that AI might be

00:42:32.880 the continuation

00:42:33.980 of Faustian technics

00:42:36.080 beyond the ability

00:42:36.960 of Faustian man

00:42:37.900 Faustian man

00:42:38.600 to sustain them?

00:42:40.320 It's absolutely possible.

00:42:43.020 That is possible.

00:42:44.540 And it would be,

00:42:46.240 it would kind of be

00:42:47.240 the ultimate

00:42:47.900 sort of crescendo

00:42:50.620 to end it all,

00:42:51.800 as will, of course,

00:42:53.160 the sort of transhumanism.

00:42:56.520 And there's so much

00:42:58.620 of it coming now

00:42:59.500 where,

00:43:00.600 because you return

00:43:01.620 to the theme

00:43:02.320 of infinite space.

00:43:04.000 I mean,

00:43:04.260 I wrote an article

00:43:06.940 some time ago

00:43:08.360 where this idea

00:43:09.900 where you have

00:43:11.320 these vast sort

00:43:12.540 of warehouses

00:43:13.360 where, like,

00:43:15.300 hundreds of thousands

00:43:16.360 or millions of people

00:43:17.420 are literally living

00:43:19.020 in the matrix

00:43:19.680 in these little

00:43:21.400 kind of bug bath things

00:43:23.560 where they're being

00:43:24.440 fed nutrients,

00:43:25.480 but their consciousness

00:43:26.480 is kind of floating

00:43:27.800 around in cyberspace.

00:43:29.640 So it would be

00:43:30.780 almost like

00:43:31.540 the sort of,

00:43:32.360 the ultimate

00:43:32.900 sort of Faustian end

00:43:34.320 is just to disappear

00:43:35.820 into the infinite space

00:43:37.200 created by your own techniques.

00:43:39.820 While outside,

00:43:41.200 you've got people

00:43:41.940 with goats,

00:43:43.160 those who escaped.

00:43:45.980 Because this sounds

00:43:47.220 kind of crazy

00:43:48.280 and exaggerated,

00:43:49.700 but it is actually

00:43:51.200 how the civilizations

00:43:53.280 tend to go

00:43:54.340 because you always

00:43:55.360 do have the friction

00:43:56.620 between the metropolis

00:43:58.680 and the man

00:44:00.240 of the peasant.

00:44:01.220 So for Spengler,

00:44:04.040 the sort of

00:44:05.280 the man of the land,

00:44:06.820 the peasantry

00:44:07.500 are forever tormented

00:44:09.760 by the intellect

00:44:12.180 of the city

00:44:13.060 which imposes itself

00:44:14.660 on him.

00:44:15.640 But he's always

00:44:16.400 resistant to it

00:44:17.380 and Spengler says

00:44:18.500 eventually he'll go,

00:44:20.080 that is the people

00:44:20.980 who go back

00:44:21.840 to the land,

00:44:22.600 like,

00:44:22.780 he calls them plants

00:44:24.320 as if they've just

00:44:25.120 planted themselves

00:44:26.080 back into the landscape

00:44:28.060 and then the metropolis

00:44:29.480 is actually

00:44:30.740 where it falls

00:44:33.500 and decay.

00:44:35.240 And it's crazy

00:44:37.220 because we see this now

00:44:39.160 and for the progressive worldview,

00:44:43.100 this,

00:44:44.040 we touched on it

00:44:44.940 at the beginning,

00:44:46.060 this raises real deep

00:44:48.000 existential problems

00:44:49.520 because if you are

00:44:51.280 kind of doomers

00:44:52.260 like us

00:44:52.920 and you kind of,

00:44:54.980 you're on the Spengler train

00:44:56.040 or even if you're

00:44:57.020 just kind of

00:44:57.780 interested in

00:44:59.040 his ideas

00:44:59.860 of a cyclical

00:45:00.660 version of history,

00:45:01.860 this is going to create

00:45:03.680 an existential problem

00:45:04.820 with the progressive mind

00:45:06.820 because there's going

00:45:08.300 to come a point

00:45:08.960 when you are

00:45:10.320 absolutely in decline

00:45:11.880 and you can no longer

00:45:13.000 deal with it

00:45:13.680 and they are going to,

00:45:15.840 and I keep using

00:45:16.980 the phrase,

00:45:17.900 but it's as if

00:45:19.240 they are going to be

00:45:19.980 dragged kicking

00:45:20.840 and screaming

00:45:21.520 on the downward spiral

00:45:22.780 because their worldview

00:45:24.840 can't have that.

00:45:26.260 It can't have

00:45:27.420 a reduction

00:45:28.400 even in material

00:45:30.180 living standards.

00:45:31.960 I mean,

00:45:32.220 they've already accepted

00:45:33.380 that there's no religion,

00:45:35.180 there's no actual

00:45:36.120 deep meaning

00:45:37.680 or there's no

00:45:38.600 sort of exploration

00:45:39.840 of the human condition.

00:45:41.340 They've done away

00:45:42.160 with all of that

00:45:43.060 and then it's become,

00:45:46.060 well,

00:45:46.580 it's a lot of

00:45:47.560 incoherent mumbo-jumbo

00:45:49.240 and a lot of it

00:45:51.000 transcending the self,

00:45:53.300 you know,

00:45:53.600 the trans issue

00:45:54.560 and stuff,

00:45:55.800 but even just

00:45:57.140 in the old-fashioned

00:45:58.480 standard material argument,

00:46:01.080 which is what

00:46:01.560 they'll inevitably

00:46:02.200 fall back on

00:46:03.060 in the end,

00:46:04.160 is that,

00:46:04.640 look,

00:46:04.800 at the end of the day,

00:46:05.740 okay,

00:46:06.260 things aren't great anymore,

00:46:08.480 but materially,

00:46:09.920 you're better off

00:46:11.280 than,

00:46:11.700 say,

00:46:13.240 the people

00:46:13.800 at Spengler's Peak

00:46:14.980 would be the Middle Ages.

00:46:17.740 That was his

00:46:19.360 sort of ideal time

00:46:20.860 because you had

00:46:22.340 the balance

00:46:22.840 between the man

00:46:23.740 of spirituality

00:46:24.860 and the man

00:46:25.520 of the hand

00:46:26.160 just right.

00:46:27.660 So if you think

00:46:28.220 of Notre-Dame Cathedral,

00:46:30.140 for example,

00:46:31.260 here you had

00:46:31.860 the man

00:46:32.280 of the vision,

00:46:33.380 the man

00:46:33.680 of the truth,

00:46:35.460 and he was instructing

00:46:36.900 the man

00:46:38.200 of the techniques

00:46:38.880 on what he wanted

00:46:40.260 to see built

00:46:41.060 and then it was

00:46:41.980 the man of the hand

00:46:42.800 who would build it.

00:46:43.900 So then you have

00:46:44.620 everything in sync,

00:46:45.580 everything aligned.

00:46:46.780 Eventually,

00:46:47.240 it's the hand,

00:46:47.980 the techniques

00:46:48.920 slip away,

00:46:49.800 slip out of control.

00:46:50.900 But the left

00:46:51.680 only really exist

00:46:53.420 in the utilitarian frame,

00:46:56.640 which is why

00:46:57.080 it's more of a thing

00:46:59.100 after the Industrial Revolution,

00:47:00.660 really,

00:47:01.200 because it's about

00:47:01.860 all of these

00:47:02.320 material conditions.

00:47:04.180 And I fear

00:47:04.960 that as things decline,

00:47:07.620 they're going to face

00:47:08.240 an existential problem

00:47:09.900 because it will

00:47:12.320 eventually be

00:47:12.900 unmistakable

00:47:13.640 and they're going

00:47:14.400 to resort

00:47:15.520 to ever more

00:47:16.520 extreme

00:47:17.240 and barbaric

00:47:18.200 methods

00:47:18.680 to book

00:47:20.620 his destiny,

00:47:21.840 to stop

00:47:22.460 destiny coming.

00:47:24.180 It will be

00:47:24.960 this extreme panic

00:47:26.120 when anything

00:47:26.780 is justified.

00:47:28.300 And in actual fact,

00:47:29.600 I mean,

00:47:29.880 it's a cringed

00:47:30.780 sort of term

00:47:32.100 that gets thrown

00:47:32.940 around these days.

00:47:33.860 But when you have

00:47:34.820 a look at

00:47:35.540 the sort of

00:47:36.260 the Great Reset,

00:47:37.220 the 2030 agenda,

00:47:38.640 all of this,

00:47:39.620 what we literally

00:47:40.380 call

00:47:41.080 technocrats,

00:47:42.740 that is that

00:47:46.000 in a way.

00:47:46.680 It is that

00:47:47.220 they see

00:47:47.940 all of these

00:47:48.660 problems

00:47:49.160 coming

00:47:50.020 in the distant

00:47:51.680 horizon.

00:47:52.720 And it's like,

00:47:53.220 well, okay,

00:47:53.600 we need this

00:47:54.280 complete restructuring

00:47:55.580 of how we live

00:47:56.580 because we can't

00:47:58.180 have it.

00:47:59.340 I mean,

00:47:59.920 we can't have it

00:48:01.120 where we just

00:48:01.800 break apart

00:48:02.420 globalism

00:48:03.140 and live more

00:48:04.680 basic lives,

00:48:06.660 localism,

00:48:07.740 basically.

00:48:08.820 That never

00:48:09.720 seems to be

00:48:10.280 an option.

00:48:11.220 Everything

00:48:11.600 always has to

00:48:12.500 be centralised

00:48:13.380 and planned

00:48:14.960 at this

00:48:15.940 gigantic

00:48:16.560 sort of

00:48:17.400 technocratic

00:48:18.200 level,

00:48:18.720 this utilitarian

00:48:19.780 frame once

00:48:21.200 again.

00:48:21.760 The ultimate

00:48:22.300 being,

00:48:22.880 of course,

00:48:23.220 that they're

00:48:23.520 going to

00:48:23.720 save the

00:48:24.140 world

00:48:24.520 from climate

00:48:26.980 change.

00:48:27.700 It's like the

00:48:28.540 ultimate.

00:48:29.080 It's where it

00:48:29.500 goes.

00:48:30.100 And in the

00:48:30.500 process,

00:48:31.240 they create

00:48:31.760 one giant

00:48:32.420 prison camp

00:48:33.140 where everything

00:48:34.100 is controlled

00:48:34.780 through technology

00:48:35.680 and digital

00:48:36.220 technology.

00:48:37.680 And at a

00:48:38.660 certain level,

00:48:39.520 I think that

00:48:40.060 is about

00:48:40.980 being in

00:48:42.720 denial of

00:48:43.720 some fundamentals,

00:48:44.900 not realising

00:48:46.000 that we

00:48:46.400 strayed way,

00:48:47.660 way off

00:48:49.000 the path

00:48:49.860 of what

00:48:50.980 is the

00:48:51.960 norm of

00:48:52.640 the human

00:48:53.000 condition

00:48:53.520 a long

00:48:54.160 time ago.

00:48:55.520 And instead

00:48:55.920 of saying,

00:48:56.420 okay,

00:48:56.720 let's just

00:48:57.900 take a

00:48:58.740 breather,

00:48:59.520 let's slow

00:49:00.300 this down,

00:49:01.420 let's slow

00:49:02.200 this down

00:49:02.780 and see

00:49:03.180 where are

00:49:03.780 we going

00:49:04.320 as a

00:49:04.680 civilisation.

00:49:05.940 Maybe we

00:49:06.600 need to

00:49:07.020 fundamentally

00:49:07.720 change things.

00:49:08.520 maybe we

00:49:09.040 need to

00:49:10.260 sort of

00:49:11.820 let's get

00:49:12.420 rid of

00:49:12.740 some of

00:49:13.020 this

00:49:13.160 technology.

00:49:13.800 Do we

00:49:14.020 really need

00:49:14.560 all of

00:49:14.920 it?

00:49:15.420 What about

00:49:15.940 doing things

00:49:17.000 at the

00:49:17.240 local level?

00:49:18.700 What about

00:49:19.120 the idea

00:49:19.980 of just

00:49:20.320 having

00:49:20.580 fulfilling

00:49:21.100 lives

00:49:21.700 where it

00:49:22.860 doesn't

00:49:23.320 feel like

00:49:24.000 we're on

00:49:24.320 this

00:49:24.520 speeding

00:49:24.960 train

00:49:25.540 all of

00:49:26.100 the

00:49:26.200 time?

00:49:27.760 And that's

00:49:28.540 not what

00:49:30.420 they want

00:49:30.820 because they

00:49:31.640 are

00:49:32.140 insistent

00:49:33.360 that the

00:49:34.020 future is

00:49:34.680 open-ended.

00:49:35.560 still is

00:49:36.500 where the

00:49:37.520 destiny

00:49:37.980 hasn't

00:49:38.500 been set

00:49:39.140 but we're

00:49:40.540 reaching the

00:49:41.100 limits of

00:49:41.600 it.

00:49:42.060 We're

00:49:42.160 reaching the

00:49:42.640 point where

00:49:43.040 actually

00:49:43.480 as in

00:49:46.620 Faust,

00:49:47.260 as in

00:49:47.620 Gertus

00:49:48.000 Faust,

00:49:49.740 the devil

00:49:51.040 wants his

00:49:51.560 Jew.

00:49:53.000 Well,

00:49:53.260 and the

00:49:53.900 inversion of

00:49:55.460 natural

00:49:55.740 hierarchies is

00:49:56.480 the key

00:49:57.180 to their

00:49:57.460 power.

00:49:58.060 It's what

00:49:59.120 they've built

00:49:59.640 their coalition

00:50:00.340 on.

00:50:00.900 They can't

00:50:01.380 go back.

00:50:02.160 I mean,

00:50:02.680 and in many

00:50:03.400 ways that's

00:50:04.020 what creates

00:50:04.660 this.

00:50:04.940 And forms

00:50:05.920 this into

00:50:06.300 a self-fulfilling

00:50:07.180 prophecy.

00:50:08.400 I was just

00:50:08.800 talking with

00:50:10.880 someone who

00:50:12.000 wrote an

00:50:12.300 interesting

00:50:12.580 column on

00:50:14.120 the Elon

00:50:14.940 Musk situation

00:50:15.840 yesterday.

00:50:16.420 But she

00:50:16.660 pointed out

00:50:17.180 that think

00:50:18.220 of the

00:50:18.560 massive

00:50:18.920 percentage

00:50:19.500 of the

00:50:20.720 economy

00:50:21.160 right now

00:50:21.800 which is

00:50:22.260 dedicated

00:50:22.780 to basically

00:50:23.740 lying about

00:50:25.380 reality.

00:50:26.200 And in

00:50:26.580 creating this

00:50:27.300 scaffolding to

00:50:28.260 hold up

00:50:28.860 this lie

00:50:30.660 that everyone

00:50:31.160 has to walk

00:50:31.700 around and

00:50:32.100 pretend,

00:50:32.480 this denial

00:50:33.020 of reality,

00:50:34.420 think of

00:50:35.460 how much

00:50:35.740 of our

00:50:35.980 actual

00:50:36.300 production

00:50:36.920 and output

00:50:37.680 and even

00:50:38.220 the utility

00:50:38.800 that should

00:50:39.560 be producing

00:50:40.360 the abundance

00:50:40.880 that they

00:50:41.580 would otherwise

00:50:42.140 promise is

00:50:43.200 now dedicated

00:50:43.820 entirely to

00:50:45.080 non-production,

00:50:46.520 simply generating

00:50:48.040 compliance with a

00:50:49.020 narrative that's

00:50:49.860 a complete lie

00:50:50.680 about reality.

00:50:51.600 So in many

00:50:53.360 ways, even

00:50:54.520 though this is

00:50:55.140 a runaway

00:50:55.500 train that

00:50:55.980 will doom

00:50:56.700 their political

00:50:58.020 formula, they

00:50:58.780 can't walk

00:50:59.300 away because it

00:51:00.220 is the very

00:51:00.680 thing on which

00:51:01.360 their power

00:51:01.900 and their

00:51:02.540 belief system

00:51:04.240 is built.

00:51:05.180 Yeah, it's

00:51:05.580 almost like

00:51:06.980 Roger Bacon's

00:51:08.020 self-perpetuating

00:51:09.640 machine.

00:51:10.280 The machine that

00:51:12.160 just can't

00:51:12.680 stop, it

00:51:13.120 just perpetuates

00:51:13.960 itself, even

00:51:14.680 if it's just

00:51:15.280 nonsense and

00:51:16.220 lies.

00:51:17.060 The funny thing

00:51:18.100 about Elon

00:51:19.040 Musk, it was

00:51:19.640 interesting because

00:51:20.200 the last time

00:51:20.780 we did a

00:51:21.180 Spengler stream,

00:51:22.360 this is way

00:51:23.120 before Elon

00:51:25.080 Musk was

00:51:25.860 going to buy

00:51:26.840 Twitter or

00:51:27.400 anything, and

00:51:28.320 we were

00:51:28.640 speculating on

00:51:29.920 Caesar types

00:51:32.000 emerging in

00:51:32.840 the West, and

00:51:33.720 he popped up

00:51:34.680 as a bit of a

00:51:35.320 wild card.

00:51:36.420 Not so much

00:51:37.080 because we're

00:51:37.700 Elon Musk

00:51:38.280 fans, but just

00:51:39.200 because if

00:51:40.220 you've got your

00:51:40.880 hands on this

00:51:41.660 technology and

00:51:42.640 if you've got

00:51:43.200 this amount of

00:51:43.960 power, you

00:51:45.520 can do things

00:51:46.560 with that.

00:51:47.320 There's potential

00:51:48.120 there, no

00:51:49.400 matter who it

00:51:50.080 is, not

00:51:51.220 to simp for

00:51:52.700 Elon Musk, but

00:51:53.540 as a type of

00:51:55.140 where he's

00:51:55.760 standing, so

00:51:57.380 that's

00:51:58.200 interesting.

00:51:59.260 I did an

00:52:00.220 article and

00:52:01.280 a video about

00:52:02.380 why Elon

00:52:04.340 Musk won't

00:52:05.360 travel to

00:52:05.880 Mars, but

00:52:08.140 how he

00:52:08.500 could.

00:52:09.820 The idea

00:52:11.360 of it, it

00:52:12.040 was a

00:52:12.420 Spengler

00:52:13.200 inspired video

00:52:15.340 and essay

00:52:16.480 that I'd

00:52:16.900 written, was

00:52:18.640 precisely because

00:52:19.760 if you go

00:52:20.580 back a little

00:52:21.340 bit, which

00:52:22.960 is a typical

00:52:23.560 Faustian thing

00:52:24.680 would be the

00:52:25.640 question of

00:52:26.220 why do you

00:52:27.220 climb the

00:52:27.720 mountain, which

00:52:28.860 is the question,

00:52:29.600 I think it was

00:52:30.000 Edmund Hillary

00:52:30.760 was asked that,

00:52:31.680 why do you want

00:52:32.420 to climb Mount

00:52:32.980 Everest?

00:52:33.280 And he said

00:52:34.100 because it's

00:52:34.620 there.

00:52:35.560 In other

00:52:35.860 words, there's

00:52:37.120 no rational

00:52:40.940 reason to

00:52:42.860 claim the

00:52:43.540 mountain, to

00:52:44.240 risk your

00:52:44.720 life to

00:52:45.160 claim a

00:52:45.560 mountain, which

00:52:46.600 at that time,

00:52:47.240 many people

00:52:47.700 died, were

00:52:49.260 dying on

00:52:49.800 mountains.

00:52:50.500 Many people

00:52:51.000 from Germany

00:52:51.680 and England

00:52:52.160 and America

00:52:52.820 were just

00:52:53.300 freezing.

00:52:53.660 many men

00:52:54.440 were just

00:52:54.800 freezing to

00:52:55.320 death on

00:52:55.720 the side

00:52:56.020 of mountains

00:52:56.440 for no

00:52:57.000 reason.

00:52:58.260 And it

00:52:58.500 was because

00:52:59.760 we know

00:53:00.260 why it

00:53:00.740 was because

00:53:01.440 it had to

00:53:02.400 be done.

00:53:02.900 It was that

00:53:03.420 insatiable

00:53:04.280 drive towards

00:53:05.760 the infinite.

00:53:07.180 But at the

00:53:07.940 same time,

00:53:08.840 the other

00:53:09.760 side of

00:53:10.540 that, which

00:53:11.680 is the

00:53:12.280 techniques and

00:53:14.060 the utilitarianism

00:53:15.300 and the

00:53:15.620 machine, has

00:53:16.860 squeezed out

00:53:17.780 that wonder

00:53:19.160 as well and

00:53:20.500 turned people

00:53:21.460 in, as

00:53:22.140 Spengler

00:53:22.780 points out

00:53:23.320 man and

00:53:23.720 techniques, he

00:53:25.020 comes out

00:53:25.620 another great

00:53:26.180 line is that

00:53:26.940 he describes

00:53:28.860 a swathe of

00:53:31.040 land and

00:53:31.780 Scotland or

00:53:33.960 the fjords

00:53:35.840 of Norway.

00:53:37.060 And it's

00:53:37.320 like where

00:53:37.840 once 100

00:53:38.880 men would

00:53:39.960 roam, now

00:53:41.020 10,000 people

00:53:42.280 sit.

00:53:43.480 And I

00:53:43.780 thought that's

00:53:44.560 exactly it.

00:53:46.340 It's just

00:53:46.740 great.

00:53:48.960 And so

00:53:49.300 what's

00:53:50.080 happened is

00:53:50.600 the 100

00:53:52.640 people who

00:53:53.120 like Rome

00:53:53.780 are now

00:53:55.100 being

00:53:55.800 scheduled

00:53:56.920 and

00:53:57.300 cattle

00:53:57.580 prodded to

00:53:58.420 become part

00:53:59.340 of the

00:53:59.580 10,000 who

00:54:00.540 sit.

00:54:01.540 So if you

00:54:02.200 are going to

00:54:02.740 have a

00:54:03.240 typically

00:54:03.600 Faustian

00:54:04.800 vision of

00:54:06.020 travelling to

00:54:07.220 Mars, by the

00:54:08.420 time Elon Musk,

00:54:09.380 I painted a

00:54:10.760 picture of Elon

00:54:11.440 Musk at 75

00:54:12.420 years old, he's

00:54:14.020 finally got the

00:54:14.800 rockets, they're

00:54:15.720 pointing straight

00:54:16.560 upwards, they're

00:54:18.100 ready to go,

00:54:19.180 this is it, but

00:54:20.180 nobody wants to

00:54:21.000 go on them.

00:54:21.540 And anyway, you

00:54:22.600 can just put on

00:54:24.820 your virtual

00:54:25.400 reality headset

00:54:26.380 and see Mars in

00:54:28.080 the bug man

00:54:28.740 way, in the

00:54:29.780 utilitarian way.

00:54:31.500 So we have a

00:54:32.660 thing, we have

00:54:33.260 almost like a

00:54:35.140 civil war in

00:54:36.620 the Western

00:54:37.120 soul itself

00:54:38.100 here.

00:54:38.800 And it's the

00:54:39.940 utilitarian

00:54:41.020 bug man who

00:54:42.520 is for now

00:54:43.440 dominating, but

00:54:45.300 I don't think, I

00:54:46.220 don't know how

00:54:46.840 long that can

00:54:47.860 possibly go on

00:54:48.700 for, because

00:54:49.760 what's emerging

00:54:51.080 from it is

00:54:51.700 something hellish.

00:54:53.060 And the point

00:54:53.940 that I made in

00:54:54.760 a sort of open

00:54:55.680 address to

00:54:57.220 Elon Musk was

00:54:58.500 like, if you

00:54:59.800 want to

00:55:00.640 rekindle the

00:55:01.600 spirit where

00:55:03.200 people would

00:55:03.820 actually get

00:55:04.340 excited to go

00:55:05.100 to Mars, knowing

00:55:05.920 they'd probably

00:55:06.360 never come back,

00:55:07.660 then you can't

00:55:09.640 do it by also

00:55:11.500 designing virtual

00:55:13.200 reality headsets

00:55:14.340 where people can

00:55:15.300 see it sitting on

00:55:16.680 their armchairs.

00:55:18.380 There's a

00:55:18.840 fundamental

00:55:19.760 problem here.

00:55:21.200 There's a

00:55:21.520 fundamental

00:55:22.300 paradox which

00:55:23.380 needs to be

00:55:24.060 resolved.

00:55:26.280 Yeah, no, I

00:55:27.140 think that's

00:55:27.700 right.

00:55:29.660 There's so much

00:55:30.620 of that right

00:55:31.260 now, and

00:55:31.820 COVID only

00:55:32.680 accelerated that.

00:55:34.020 There are so

00:55:34.320 many experiences

00:55:35.220 that were

00:55:35.800 fundamental.

00:55:36.460 You had to

00:55:37.000 go do things

00:55:38.620 physically, you

00:55:39.380 had to interact

00:55:40.580 with people face

00:55:41.380 to face, and

00:55:42.680 now so much

00:55:43.560 of it is

00:55:44.500 some

00:55:45.060 simulacrum

00:55:45.760 of it is

00:55:47.460 available, and

00:55:48.520 this is true

00:55:49.240 in so many

00:55:50.400 areas, right?

00:55:51.440 Whether it's

00:55:52.320 porn driving

00:55:53.360 away people from

00:55:54.060 dating, or

00:55:54.980 whether it's

00:55:56.140 Skype allowing

00:55:57.640 people, or

00:55:58.460 whatever, the

00:55:59.260 Zoom, the

00:56:00.400 video conferencing

00:56:01.440 allowing people

00:56:02.060 they don't have

00:56:02.700 to go to work

00:56:03.160 anymore, they

00:56:03.620 don't have to

00:56:03.940 go to school

00:56:04.460 anymore.

00:56:05.740 All this stuff

00:56:06.620 is super

00:56:07.320 convenient.

00:56:08.240 I think about

00:56:09.480 how much

00:56:11.300 harder it was

00:56:11.920 for people

00:56:12.280 to go back

00:56:13.080 to church

00:56:13.620 after they

00:56:14.140 could watch

00:56:14.700 it online,

00:56:15.660 right?

00:56:15.840 Like, just

00:56:16.680 the battle

00:56:17.840 of the future

00:56:18.560 is the battle

00:56:19.620 between simulacrum

00:56:21.560 and reality,

00:56:22.320 people who are

00:56:23.000 willing to

00:56:23.900 force themselves

00:56:24.780 to actually

00:56:25.700 experience the

00:56:27.920 thing in real

00:56:28.720 life and have

00:56:30.560 the true

00:56:31.280 experience as

00:56:32.020 opposed to

00:56:32.460 those that

00:56:32.960 can kind of

00:56:33.780 be bottle-fed,

00:56:34.800 this managed

00:56:35.460 version of it

00:56:36.240 that can be

00:56:37.100 intermediated through

00:56:38.960 all these

00:56:39.300 different devices.

00:56:40.120 And that

00:56:41.420 goes, I

00:56:41.880 think, hand

00:56:42.300 in hand with

00:56:42.860 where you

00:56:43.320 mentioned earlier

00:56:44.100 talking about

00:56:44.720 people thinking

00:56:45.320 like machines,

00:56:46.480 right?

00:56:46.760 Where the

00:56:47.860 real question

00:56:48.620 of the future

00:56:49.300 won't be can

00:56:50.000 we make a

00:56:50.500 mind that

00:56:51.540 thinks like a

00:56:52.320 human, an

00:56:53.420 artificial mind

00:56:54.020 that thinks

00:56:54.400 like a human,

00:56:54.880 a computer

00:56:55.220 thinks like a

00:56:55.600 human, the

00:56:55.880 question will

00:56:56.220 be will

00:56:56.920 humans be

00:56:57.440 able to

00:56:57.820 avoid thinking

00:56:58.460 like computers?

00:57:00.060 Yes, and

00:57:00.900 you can see

00:57:01.580 in the elites

00:57:02.380 themselves, the

00:57:04.280 humans and the

00:57:05.040 arrogance is that

00:57:06.020 they, I think

00:57:07.180 a lot of

00:57:07.700 political ideology

00:57:08.900 has been built

00:57:10.080 on top of

00:57:11.240 that sort of

00:57:13.500 the hand, the

00:57:14.880 techniques, the

00:57:16.060 utilitarianism has

00:57:17.700 been with us for

00:57:18.480 quite a long time

00:57:19.320 now and there's

00:57:20.840 a lot of

00:57:21.660 ideology has been

00:57:22.940 built on top of

00:57:25.240 that without

00:57:26.660 taking into

00:57:27.560 consideration at

00:57:28.800 all the man of

00:57:30.580 vision, the man

00:57:31.420 of philosophy, the

00:57:33.420 man of truth.

00:57:34.420 That's gone.

00:57:35.380 So what we have

00:57:36.080 is just this sort

00:57:37.020 of house of

00:57:38.100 cards of

00:57:39.020 ideologies which

00:57:40.400 have been

00:57:40.760 erected on

00:57:41.640 top of the

00:57:43.020 thinking of

00:57:43.580 techniques and

00:57:45.400 quite literally

00:57:46.240 the technocratic

00:57:47.260 thinking that we

00:57:48.200 see emerging

00:57:49.480 today is that

00:57:51.320 and it's, it's,

00:57:53.140 it's the

00:57:54.280 visions that we

00:57:55.180 see are just

00:57:56.180 absolutely ghastly

00:57:57.920 and appalling

00:57:58.520 interesting because

00:57:59.360 it all, it's

00:58:01.620 like, it's, it's,

00:58:03.860 it's just, it

00:58:05.160 really is just the

00:58:06.020 thinking of the

00:58:06.720 machine.

00:58:07.640 It, you know, you

00:58:09.180 look at the way the

00:58:10.120 pandemic was

00:58:11.140 handled, you look at

00:58:12.080 all of the new big

00:58:12.940 problems that they

00:58:13.700 were, I mean, this is

00:58:14.600 another thing, it's

00:58:15.520 always a problem to

00:58:17.520 be solved.

00:58:18.360 There's always a new,

00:58:19.560 but this time they're,

00:58:20.580 they're like on such

00:58:22.200 vast scales and they

00:58:24.140 do it with this such

00:58:25.500 blasey attitude that

00:58:26.780 the, the, the general

00:58:28.140 public are just seen

00:58:29.320 as ants to be, to

00:58:31.580 be shifted around

00:58:32.600 and to be, and

00:58:33.720 even, you know, you

00:58:34.700 can bring in the

00:58:35.560 sort of issues with

00:58:36.880 immigration and

00:58:37.780 demographics.

00:58:38.980 None of this, none of

00:58:39.980 this has taken into

00:58:40.820 consideration that this

00:58:41.620 might mean something

00:58:42.760 that this may matter

00:58:43.820 to people is ever

00:58:45.660 taken into

00:58:46.400 consideration.

00:58:47.300 Everything is just

00:58:48.060 abstracted onto a

00:58:49.260 spreadsheet and you

00:58:50.860 just have to deal

00:58:52.040 with it.

00:58:53.540 I was, I've been

00:58:54.620 looking at AI

00:58:55.480 art recently and

00:58:57.660 sort of thinking

00:58:58.320 that over and I

00:59:01.240 read an article on

00:59:02.140 Substack with

00:59:03.100 somebody who didn't

00:59:04.380 like it and he

00:59:05.580 had this painting of

00:59:07.100 Rembrandt.

00:59:07.640 I mentioned this

00:59:08.200 again, I mentioned

00:59:09.060 it recently somewhere

00:59:10.040 else and there was

00:59:12.500 a man and he

00:59:13.300 obviously had like a

00:59:14.560 really badly wounded

00:59:16.460 arm in this painting

00:59:17.480 of Rembrandt and

00:59:19.220 then you had the

00:59:20.180 person beside him

00:59:21.240 and the doctors and

00:59:22.260 the people standing

00:59:23.060 around him, they

00:59:24.140 weren't actually

00:59:24.780 looking at the

00:59:25.620 injury in his

00:59:26.360 arm in this

00:59:27.540 painting, they

00:59:28.460 were looking at a

00:59:29.580 kind of schema of

00:59:31.100 what a human arm

00:59:32.100 looks like when

00:59:33.220 like the actual

00:59:33.980 real one was

00:59:35.580 like standing

00:59:36.740 right and I

00:59:37.840 just, I just

00:59:38.440 find that, I

00:59:39.420 just found that

00:59:40.220 fascinating what,

00:59:41.220 what that was

00:59:41.780 saying.

00:59:42.200 He was trying to

00:59:43.160 make a wider

00:59:43.760 point about AI

00:59:44.940 art but it also

00:59:46.520 applies to where

00:59:48.620 we, we no longer

00:59:49.940 see the things in

00:59:51.820 the real here and

00:59:53.020 now or what's

00:59:54.160 right in front of

00:59:54.800 you, what you

00:59:55.680 have to do in

00:59:56.240 the common sense,

00:59:58.000 no, everything has

00:59:58.860 to be then to the

01:00:00.340 expert, I mean

01:00:01.420 another, another

01:00:02.040 class that Spengler

01:00:03.700 has nothing but

01:00:04.460 content for of

01:00:05.360 course.

01:00:06.500 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:07.440 All right, well

01:00:08.220 we, we've gotten to

01:00:09.300 our hour here, I

01:00:10.460 think we, we could

01:00:11.280 go much longer but

01:00:12.680 do try to keep

01:00:13.980 these around there.

01:00:14.880 We have a few

01:00:15.700 super chats here so

01:00:17.720 I'll get ready to

01:00:19.500 grab those but I'm

01:00:20.720 sure most people

01:00:21.400 watching this know

01:00:22.220 but can you tell

01:00:22.860 people where to

01:00:24.120 grab your stuff,

01:00:24.840 where they can

01:00:25.220 listen to you, read

01:00:26.560 you, do you have

01:00:27.140 anything big coming

01:00:27.780 up?

01:00:28.580 I've got Morgos

01:00:29.860 Review on YouTube,

01:00:31.140 Morgos Review on

01:00:32.020 Substack where most

01:00:33.320 of my, my content

01:00:34.500 is now.

01:00:36.080 I've got a video

01:00:37.880 essay that I've been

01:00:38.860 working on which I

01:00:40.260 put on the back

01:00:40.900 burner just for now

01:00:42.860 because I've got a

01:00:43.880 lot on which is

01:00:44.940 looking at that,

01:00:45.860 the Disney thing

01:00:46.960 Andor which came

01:00:48.120 out because we've

01:00:49.200 just had the

01:00:49.660 Christmas holidays

01:00:50.400 and I thought

01:00:51.780 look go on,

01:00:52.420 that's the time

01:00:53.160 that I kind of

01:00:53.900 lounge around

01:00:54.860 feeling a bit

01:00:55.540 groggy and watch

01:00:56.860 nerd content and

01:00:57.980 like okay what are

01:00:58.780 nerd YouTube

01:00:59.420 up to, what are

01:01:00.000 they talking about

01:01:00.900 and everybody was

01:01:02.740 talking about this

01:01:03.400 Andor thing where

01:01:04.520 basically it's

01:01:06.080 Star Wars meets

01:01:06.980 1984 and I was

01:01:09.220 enjoying some of

01:01:10.040 the takes on that

01:01:11.140 and I thought it

01:01:11.780 was, it was

01:01:12.700 fascinating the way

01:01:14.120 the way left

01:01:15.600 YouTube was

01:01:16.960 were looking at

01:01:19.000 that thinking

01:01:19.900 they were the

01:01:20.620 rebels and not

01:01:21.280 the empire

01:01:21.820 So I'm interested

01:01:24.840 in exploring that

01:01:25.940 as a theme

01:01:26.520 and I've got quite

01:01:27.480 a long script

01:01:28.260 so I think I'm

01:01:28.860 going to do a

01:01:29.400 good old-fashioned

01:01:30.340 video essay on

01:01:31.340 that soon

01:01:31.840 Sounds promising

01:01:33.300 All right, we'll

01:01:33.820 look forward to it

01:01:34.580 Let's see, we got

01:01:35.640 Narco Republican

01:01:36.520 here for $5

01:01:37.500 Thank you very much

01:01:38.340 sir

01:01:38.540 Fact, a little

01:01:39.600 known 1993 reprint

01:01:41.200 of Man and Technique

01:01:42.300 includes an introduction

01:01:44.920 by none other than

01:01:46.080 Jonathan Bowden

01:01:46.860 It can be easily

01:01:48.000 found on YouTube

01:01:49.480 I think I actually

01:01:50.560 listened to that

01:01:51.620 because it just

01:01:52.160 kind of randomly

01:01:52.700 popped into my

01:01:53.420 feed

01:01:53.740 Yeah, I came across

01:01:56.400 that, yeah

01:01:57.020 The Man and Technique

01:02:00.020 I've got is from

01:02:01.600 Arctos

01:02:02.460 Yeah, I've got this

01:02:05.540 edition here

01:02:06.180 Yeah, that's the one

01:02:07.040 I've got too

01:02:07.760 It's nice

01:02:08.840 But yeah, Jonathan

01:02:10.200 Bowden did

01:02:11.100 I think he was

01:02:12.580 involved in some

01:02:13.280 kind of publishing

01:02:14.040 house back in the

01:02:14.900 day

01:02:15.180 And they

01:02:16.020 You know, I mean

01:02:17.780 fair play

01:02:18.440 I think if it

01:02:19.100 wasn't for some

01:02:19.720 of these small

01:02:20.520 dissonant sort of

01:02:22.220 publishing houses

01:02:23.040 back in the day

01:02:23.820 Some of this stuff

01:02:25.100 might have been

01:02:25.580 very hard to find

01:02:26.460 these days

01:02:27.040 But our friends

01:02:28.940 are doing great

01:02:30.320 work

01:02:30.760 giving them new

01:02:32.380 covers and bringing

01:02:33.740 them back out again

01:02:34.580 No, there's a

01:02:36.340 If there's one thing

01:02:38.060 you know, we always

01:02:38.480 talk about like

01:02:39.120 what should the

01:02:39.640 right build?

01:02:40.400 What should people

01:02:41.640 build in opposition?

01:02:43.900 The one thing that

01:02:44.760 you know, they have

01:02:46.500 down is the

01:02:47.440 small independent

01:02:48.740 publisher

01:02:49.200 that's just doing

01:02:50.760 the Lord's work

01:02:51.440 reprinting a lot of

01:02:52.200 the stuff that

01:02:52.800 otherwise would be

01:02:53.980 incredibly obscure

01:02:54.920 and difficult

01:02:55.440 I would

01:02:56.840 I would also

01:02:57.900 advise like

01:02:58.820 buying physical

01:02:59.580 copies of all

01:03:00.340 of these

01:03:00.760 kinds of books

01:03:01.660 precisely because

01:03:03.140 what we're talking

01:03:03.840 about

01:03:04.340 you know, if

01:03:05.600 everything is

01:03:06.160 digital, everything's

01:03:07.000 online

01:03:07.420 be careful with

01:03:10.140 that as we've

01:03:11.120 been discussing

01:03:11.720 but more than

01:03:12.680 that it is just

01:03:13.700 you know, you

01:03:14.260 want to sit in

01:03:14.720 your armchair

01:03:15.380 and like

01:03:16.180 you know, pour

01:03:17.000 yourself a little

01:03:17.600 whiskey and just

01:03:18.360 open Spangler

01:03:19.560 or Evola or

01:03:20.740 Carlisle or

01:03:21.840 whoever it happens

01:03:22.600 to be

01:03:23.060 it's the

01:03:24.320 real way

01:03:25.220 to work

01:03:25.580 there's a kind

01:03:27.620 of grim irony

01:03:28.440 to reading

01:03:29.620 something like

01:03:30.260 Marlon Technics

01:03:31.120 like on a

01:03:31.660 digital screen

01:03:32.360 Yeah, on a

01:03:33.300 PDF

01:03:33.600 Yeah

01:03:34.020 Doff your

01:03:37.580 cap lads

01:03:38.320 and buy their

01:03:38.980 books and read

01:03:39.700 them as they

01:03:40.180 would want you

01:03:40.780 to

01:03:40.980 Yeah, and I

01:03:42.540 like to listen

01:03:43.220 to a lot of

01:03:43.860 books and

01:03:44.240 there's a lot

01:03:44.740 of stuff that

01:03:45.400 I like

01:03:45.860 I listened to

01:03:46.440 the entire

01:03:46.920 open letter

01:03:47.620 from Moldbug

01:03:48.240 like, you

01:03:48.740 know, like

01:03:49.100 I never read

01:03:50.380 it

01:03:50.640 there was no

01:03:52.020 physical copy

01:03:52.720 but I never

01:03:53.180 read it in

01:03:54.060 the blog form

01:03:54.700 originally

01:03:55.160 but there are

01:03:56.380 when I get to

01:03:56.940 stuff like

01:03:57.280 Carlisle

01:03:57.720 it's just not

01:03:58.260 an option

01:03:58.680 I have to

01:03:59.280 stop

01:03:59.600 I have to

01:04:00.080 sit down

01:04:00.460 I have to

01:04:00.960 give it my

01:04:01.560 full attention

01:04:02.120 there's just

01:04:02.560 no other way

01:04:03.020 to do it

01:04:03.460 Let's see

01:04:05.460 Narco-Republican

01:04:06.220 again here

01:04:06.700 for another

01:04:07.040 five dollars

01:04:07.440 Thank you

01:04:07.740 very much

01:04:08.280 Another

01:04:09.060 black-pilled

01:04:09.580 exploration of

01:04:10.400 techniques is

01:04:11.300 given in

01:04:12.160 he's got the

01:04:13.440 German there

01:04:14.060 but English

01:04:14.580 is The

01:04:15.280 Failure of

01:04:15.840 Technology

01:04:16.420 by Friedrich

01:04:17.220 George

01:04:17.740 Jünger

01:04:18.040 Have you

01:04:18.300 ever heard

01:04:18.560 of that

01:04:18.740 book?

01:04:20.020 No, I've

01:04:20.540 heard of

01:04:20.840 Jünger

01:04:21.140 but I don't

01:04:21.860 know this

01:04:22.240 book

01:04:22.560 Yeah, I

01:04:23.480 feel like I

01:04:23.840 read that

01:04:24.140 name before

01:04:24.600 I mean, we

01:04:26.120 were discussing

01:04:26.760 a little bit

01:04:27.480 before we

01:04:28.360 went live

01:04:28.880 that around

01:04:30.280 this time

01:04:31.000 you have

01:04:32.020 like a

01:04:33.340 huge amount

01:04:34.340 of literature

01:04:35.140 and books

01:04:35.620 come out

01:04:36.080 after World

01:04:36.820 War I

01:04:37.440 mainly on

01:04:40.120 the right

01:04:40.680 of a lot

01:04:42.380 of people

01:04:42.700 saying wait

01:04:43.400 a minute

01:04:44.020 like they've

01:04:44.680 just seen

01:04:45.120 the meat

01:04:45.440 grinder of

01:04:46.000 World War I

01:04:46.820 and they're

01:04:47.700 like this

01:04:48.080 really matters

01:04:48.900 like what

01:04:49.460 happened there

01:04:50.120 like we've

01:04:51.120 just seen

01:04:51.540 European man

01:04:52.340 like feed

01:04:52.880 himself into

01:04:53.640 the machine

01:04:54.660 guns into

01:04:55.620 the machine

01:04:56.160 that he

01:04:56.520 created

01:04:57.060 this isn't

01:04:58.140 the existential

01:04:58.740 problem for

01:04:59.700 the civilization

01:05:00.580 and we need

01:05:01.200 to take stock

01:05:01.820 of it

01:05:02.120 and then they

01:05:03.040 thought through

01:05:03.800 more fundamentally

01:05:05.140 as we just

01:05:06.440 discussed with

01:05:07.000 Marlin Technics

01:05:07.700 what had

01:05:08.600 gone wrong

01:05:09.160 here not

01:05:09.920 just in

01:05:10.480 terms of

01:05:10.940 policies of

01:05:12.260 governments or

01:05:13.720 issues with

01:05:14.760 central banks

01:05:15.600 something much

01:05:17.200 more fundamental

01:05:18.100 and you

01:05:19.400 especially in

01:05:21.240 the Germans

01:05:22.060 again we've

01:05:23.680 got Junger

01:05:24.580 there the

01:05:25.620 Germans in

01:05:26.160 particular seem

01:05:27.040 to have

01:05:27.460 cottoned on

01:05:28.260 that the

01:05:29.500 I mean

01:05:31.360 Spengler does

01:05:31.960 it again

01:05:32.240 he had

01:05:32.480 utilitarianism

01:05:33.460 is always

01:05:33.880 blamed on

01:05:34.300 the Anglos

01:05:34.780 basically

01:05:35.260 and probably

01:05:36.360 rightly so

01:05:37.140 but and the

01:05:39.000 Germans throughout

01:05:39.980 the 19th century

01:05:41.200 they didn't

01:05:42.520 like this

01:05:43.080 they seemed

01:05:43.600 to be onto

01:05:44.320 this

01:05:44.620 they wanted

01:05:46.080 to have

01:05:46.620 that enchanted

01:05:47.580 world

01:05:48.000 they didn't

01:05:48.780 like just

01:05:50.020 production

01:05:50.640 and sort of

01:05:51.980 spreadsheets

01:05:52.980 and the

01:05:53.320 shopkeeper

01:05:53.780 mentality of

01:05:54.600 the English

01:05:54.940 and you

01:05:55.640 can see

01:05:56.120 it in

01:05:56.420 those

01:05:56.640 picturesque

01:05:57.480 sort of

01:05:58.200 castles

01:05:58.760 and the

01:05:59.800 trad posters

01:06:00.620 post all

01:06:01.280 of the time

01:06:01.700 they were

01:06:02.280 trying to

01:06:02.880 retain and

01:06:03.740 hold on

01:06:04.380 to a more

01:06:05.340 mystical

01:06:05.820 special world

01:06:08.800 which I

01:06:11.140 mean you

01:06:11.820 know you

01:06:12.440 talk about

01:06:12.840 black pills

01:06:13.320 which eventually

01:06:14.500 the tension

01:06:16.220 there was

01:06:17.380 going to

01:06:17.720 blow apart

01:06:18.420 particularly

01:06:20.300 Europe but I

01:06:21.100 would say

01:06:21.460 western

01:06:22.080 civilization

01:06:22.640 in general

01:06:23.360 like that

01:06:24.360 that friction

01:06:25.060 that tension

01:06:25.820 at a deeper

01:06:26.700 level beyond

01:06:27.400 just policies

01:06:28.360 was going

01:06:30.600 to have to

01:06:31.180 come out

01:06:32.660 and be

01:06:33.400 ended one

01:06:34.700 way or

01:06:35.040 another and

01:06:35.580 unfortunately

01:06:36.180 it happened

01:06:37.380 the worst

01:06:37.900 possible way

01:06:38.600 you can

01:06:38.820 imagine

01:06:39.200 yeah

01:06:40.080 absolutely

01:06:40.880 all right

01:06:42.600 alternative avenues

01:06:43.940 here for

01:06:44.340 499

01:06:44.880 Europeans on

01:06:46.040 theories of

01:06:46.600 supernatural

01:06:46.980 forces directing

01:06:48.020 tech advances

01:06:48.900 example portals

01:06:50.640 at CERN

01:06:52.120 reverse engineering

01:06:53.160 from ET

01:06:53.840 ships

01:06:54.260 demons in

01:06:55.100 AR art

01:06:55.800 etc

01:06:56.300 what do

01:06:57.180 you think

01:06:57.580 Morgoth

01:06:58.680 supernatural

01:06:59.340 manifestations

01:07:00.420 directing

01:07:01.240 technological

01:07:02.800 advances

01:07:03.260 your theories

01:07:04.700 on your

01:07:05.640 opinions on

01:07:06.140 theories of

01:07:06.600 supernatural

01:07:07.000 forces directing

01:07:07.940 tech advances

01:07:08.940 portals at

01:07:09.920 CERN

01:07:10.260 reverse engineering

01:07:11.000 from

01:07:11.220 I do

01:07:13.400 it's

01:07:14.480 tempting to

01:07:15.020 sort of

01:07:15.300 say no

01:07:15.760 but you've

01:07:17.500 got to be

01:07:17.740 careful

01:07:18.120 I'm

01:07:18.880 secretly

01:07:20.660 interested

01:07:21.460 in these

01:07:22.280 things

01:07:22.620 but you've

01:07:23.580 got to

01:07:23.740 be careful

01:07:24.240 I've got

01:07:24.800 to be careful

01:07:25.140 what I say

01:07:25.760 because like

01:07:26.420 you open

01:07:26.720 yourself up

01:07:27.320 to all

01:07:27.660 Morgoth

01:07:28.000 believes in

01:07:28.460 demons

01:07:28.820 and all

01:07:29.640 of this

01:07:29.880 kind of

01:07:30.120 thing

01:07:30.300 but there's

01:07:31.760 certain things

01:07:32.340 especially with

01:07:33.060 AI art

01:07:34.000 that I've

01:07:35.760 noticed

01:07:36.160 which is

01:07:36.700 kind of

01:07:37.460 spooky

01:07:37.800 which is

01:07:38.240 kind of

01:07:38.540 weird

01:07:38.760 the portals

01:07:40.800 at CERN

01:07:41.440 are also

01:07:42.220 I know a

01:07:42.720 little bit

01:07:43.060 about that

01:07:43.500 I don't

01:07:43.820 know so

01:07:44.160 much about

01:07:44.560 reverse

01:07:45.080 engineering

01:07:45.600 from

01:07:46.040 ET

01:07:46.700 ships

01:07:47.140 one of

01:07:48.100 the things

01:07:48.340 I find

01:07:48.660 interesting

01:07:49.120 about

01:07:49.420 AI art

01:07:50.320 and I've

01:07:50.760 made

01:07:51.680 hundreds

01:07:52.080 of images

01:07:52.760 I've

01:07:53.760 become

01:07:54.380 quite

01:07:55.080 good at

01:07:55.920 it

01:07:56.040 I've

01:07:56.480 made

01:07:56.680 some

01:07:56.840 nice

01:07:57.040 things

01:07:57.320 I never

01:07:58.480 understand

01:07:59.160 why all

01:07:59.780 of the

01:08:00.020 people

01:08:00.320 if you

01:08:04.200 create

01:08:04.980 a scene

01:08:05.740 like a

01:08:06.060 landscape

01:08:06.500 of one

01:08:07.980 kind or

01:08:08.340 another

01:08:08.500 and you

01:08:08.760 put people

01:08:09.160 in it

01:08:09.380 they've

01:08:09.600 always

01:08:10.120 got their

01:08:10.840 backs

01:08:11.160 to the

01:08:11.600 us

01:08:12.340 and they're

01:08:13.020 always

01:08:13.380 staring

01:08:13.800 off

01:08:14.080 into the

01:08:14.400 horizon

01:08:14.900 and I

01:08:15.700 don't

01:08:15.880 understand

01:08:16.340 why that

01:08:16.800 is

01:08:16.980 maybe

01:08:17.240 it's

01:08:17.500 just

01:08:17.700 easier

01:08:18.240 because

01:08:18.940 they're

01:08:19.160 dodging

01:08:19.640 the AI

01:08:20.400 is dodging

01:08:21.160 having to

01:08:22.040 create

01:08:22.580 faces

01:08:23.040 or something

01:08:23.640 it could

01:08:25.020 be that

01:08:25.540 you know

01:08:25.820 again

01:08:26.220 even the

01:08:27.700 AI

01:08:27.960 we're

01:08:28.200 talking

01:08:28.420 about

01:08:28.640 the

01:08:28.840 techniques

01:08:29.300 just

01:08:29.620 the

01:08:29.780 efficiency

01:08:30.260 that is

01:08:30.980 also

01:08:31.420 inherent

01:08:32.020 even

01:08:32.400 within

01:08:32.680 the

01:08:32.860 AI

01:08:33.180 art

01:08:33.640 yeah

01:08:36.060 I don't

01:08:37.220 know about

01:08:37.600 any of

01:08:38.000 these

01:08:38.180 specific

01:08:38.660 examples

01:08:39.320 but I

01:08:39.860 would say

01:08:40.460 that the

01:08:41.480 the function

01:08:43.520 of kind

01:08:44.560 of

01:08:45.380 de-territorializing

01:08:48.200 a lot of

01:08:48.920 stuff out of

01:08:49.600 the sacred

01:08:50.060 and into

01:08:50.840 kind of the

01:08:51.700 purely material

01:08:52.740 and marketplace

01:08:53.600 that the purely

01:08:54.400 quantifiable

01:08:55.020 has allowed

01:08:56.440 and facilitated

01:08:57.360 all kinds of

01:08:58.180 evil

01:08:58.540 a lot of

01:08:59.120 things that

01:08:59.760 would have

01:09:00.940 been very

01:09:01.480 obviously

01:09:02.040 horrific

01:09:02.620 become less

01:09:04.480 so

01:09:04.820 when they

01:09:05.400 can be

01:09:05.980 quantified

01:09:06.640 and pulled

01:09:07.040 apart

01:09:07.420 and made

01:09:08.820 into cold

01:09:09.380 systems

01:09:09.900 and so

01:09:11.120 in that

01:09:11.560 way I

01:09:11.940 think

01:09:12.360 the

01:09:12.940 it is

01:09:13.880 there

01:09:14.380 probably

01:09:15.160 is

01:09:15.780 something

01:09:16.260 to

01:09:17.020 supernatural

01:09:18.500 you know

01:09:19.360 the

01:09:19.700 the

01:09:20.440 the fact

01:09:22.120 that the

01:09:22.960 metaphysical

01:09:23.660 is stripped

01:09:24.260 out allowing

01:09:25.160 evil

01:09:25.500 more evil

01:09:26.200 to enter

01:09:26.600 the world

01:09:27.200 probably does

01:09:28.100 have some

01:09:28.680 some tie

01:09:29.300 there

01:09:29.540 though I

01:09:29.800 don't think

01:09:30.100 it's

01:09:30.300 directly

01:09:30.700 maybe to

01:09:31.480 any one

01:09:31.920 of these

01:09:32.180 particular

01:09:32.720 references

01:09:33.780 to events

01:09:34.940 with any

01:09:35.640 particular

01:09:36.040 technology

01:09:36.640 it's

01:09:37.360 interesting

01:09:37.960 because you

01:09:38.620 can also

01:09:39.080 see the

01:09:39.740 symmetry

01:09:40.140 with

01:09:40.900 you know

01:09:41.960 Faust

01:09:42.860 is obviously

01:09:43.520 connected

01:09:44.340 with the

01:09:44.880 devil

01:09:45.200 that's

01:09:45.520 the symbolism

01:09:46.120 there

01:09:46.540 but then

01:09:47.500 you also

01:09:48.140 in

01:09:48.840 John Milton's

01:09:50.240 Paradise Lost

01:09:51.200 and the

01:09:52.380 arc of

01:09:53.260 Satan

01:09:53.740 remember

01:09:55.060 Satan

01:09:56.160 where he

01:09:56.880 gets

01:09:57.140 he wages

01:09:57.720 war in

01:09:58.540 heaven

01:09:59.340 and in

01:10:00.000 Paradise Lost

01:10:00.640 and God

01:10:01.000 kicks him

01:10:01.400 out

01:10:01.560 but what

01:10:02.800 what's

01:10:03.680 interesting

01:10:04.400 about that

01:10:04.920 is that

01:10:05.220 Satan

01:10:05.540 is a

01:10:05.900 man

01:10:06.140 of the

01:10:06.440 enlightenment

01:10:06.880 he

01:10:07.460 he

01:10:07.860 he's

01:10:08.280 what's

01:10:09.360 so

01:10:09.500 controversial

01:10:10.260 about

01:10:10.640 Paradise Lost

01:10:11.560 is that

01:10:12.240 he's a

01:10:12.580 very

01:10:12.900 clever

01:10:13.640 very

01:10:14.480 witty

01:10:14.980 sort of

01:10:16.800 charismatic

01:10:17.620 guy

01:10:18.300 he isn't

01:10:19.400 the sort

01:10:19.860 of

01:10:20.000 lisping

01:10:20.660 demonic

01:10:21.340 slithering

01:10:22.280 thing

01:10:22.800 at all

01:10:23.520 and what

01:10:24.960 happens

01:10:25.440 is that

01:10:26.260 the further

01:10:27.120 away

01:10:27.620 it's like

01:10:28.360 the

01:10:28.680 the rationalism

01:10:30.200 sort of

01:10:30.680 decomposes

01:10:31.640 the further

01:10:32.720 away he

01:10:33.420 moves from

01:10:34.000 God

01:10:34.480 because the

01:10:35.680 more

01:10:36.000 it's kind

01:10:36.920 of like

01:10:37.260 what Carl

01:10:37.800 Schmitt

01:10:38.100 says about

01:10:38.860 liberalism

01:10:39.500 being

01:10:39.860 self-contained

01:10:41.200 he doesn't

01:10:42.000 have an

01:10:42.480 outside

01:10:42.860 reference

01:10:43.520 anymore

01:10:43.980 other than

01:10:44.840 him

01:10:45.020 himself

01:10:45.460 and his

01:10:45.800 own

01:10:46.020 rationality

01:10:46.720 so he

01:10:47.580 ends

01:10:47.960 up

01:10:48.220 kind

01:10:48.780 of

01:10:48.880 going

01:10:49.120 mad

01:10:49.580 and

01:10:50.140 it's

01:10:50.620 when

01:10:50.920 in

01:10:52.160 say

01:10:52.660 in

01:10:54.120 a

01:10:54.840 civilization

01:10:55.240 like

01:10:55.540 ours

01:10:55.800 which

01:10:56.000 pries

01:10:56.440 itself

01:10:56.820 on

01:10:57.020 its

01:10:57.160 rationality

01:10:57.880 you

01:10:58.700 begin

01:10:59.020 to see

01:10:59.460 this

01:10:59.800 arc

01:11:00.320 where

01:11:00.700 you

01:11:01.260 know

01:11:01.400 in

01:11:01.700 the

01:11:01.880 name

01:11:02.340 of

01:11:02.880 we

01:11:03.360 will

01:11:03.680 figure

01:11:04.320 this

01:11:04.580 out

01:11:04.820 on

01:11:05.000 reason

01:11:05.340 alone

01:11:05.800 and

01:11:06.740 you

01:11:06.900 begin

01:11:07.260 suddenly

01:11:07.800 it

01:11:08.480 emerges

01:11:09.000 that

01:11:10.060 you're

01:11:10.360 heading

01:11:10.620 into

01:11:10.860 like

01:11:11.300 a

01:11:11.460 literal

01:11:11.720 hell

01:11:12.220 like

01:11:12.980 it

01:11:13.320 sort

01:11:13.780 of

01:11:13.900 comes

01:11:14.260 back

01:11:14.680 in

01:11:14.840 a

01:11:14.980 full

01:11:15.220 arc

01:11:15.660 and

01:11:16.240 that's

01:11:16.600 what

01:11:16.760 a lot

01:11:17.060 of

01:11:17.200 people

01:11:17.420 I

01:11:17.680 think

01:11:18.000 you

01:11:19.060 see

01:11:19.600 this

01:11:19.840 more

01:11:20.200 and

01:11:20.360 more

01:11:20.600 now

01:11:20.980 where

01:11:21.840 it

01:11:22.160 used

01:11:22.400 to

01:11:22.520 be

01:11:22.700 you'd

01:11:23.000 say

01:11:23.260 all

01:11:25.220 the

01:11:25.380 lefties

01:11:25.780 are

01:11:25.920 crazy

01:11:26.340 now

01:11:27.120 they

01:11:27.320 call

01:11:27.580 them

01:11:27.720 demonic

01:11:28.160 now

01:11:29.020 it's

01:11:29.540 beyond

01:11:30.100 this

01:11:30.580 this

01:11:30.780 is

01:11:31.800 something

01:11:32.340 else

01:11:32.700 there

01:11:33.620 has

01:11:33.840 to

01:11:33.960 be

01:11:34.300 a

01:11:35.080 frame

01:11:35.440 of

01:11:35.600 reference

01:11:35.960 for

01:11:36.180 this

01:11:36.400 how

01:11:37.080 did

01:11:37.320 we

01:11:37.520 end

01:11:37.820 up

01:11:38.060 when

01:11:38.260 you

01:11:38.400 see

01:11:38.600 some

01:11:38.840 of

01:11:38.940 these

01:11:39.120 things

01:11:39.520 happening

01:11:40.440 coming

01:11:40.960 from

01:11:41.340 on

01:11:41.640 high

01:11:42.020 and

01:11:42.280 on

01:11:42.540 the

01:11:42.720 rank

01:11:43.260 and

01:11:43.460 file

01:11:43.880 sort

01:11:44.720 of

01:11:44.880 orcs

01:11:45.380 of

01:11:45.500 the

01:11:45.640 system

01:11:46.080 you

01:11:46.820 begin

01:11:47.160 to

01:11:47.340 think

01:11:47.540 hang on

01:11:47.960 a minute

01:11:48.180 there's

01:11:49.400 something

01:11:49.720 fundamentally

01:11:50.860 evil

01:11:52.080 here

01:11:52.520 I

01:11:53.000 cannot

01:11:53.520 explain

01:11:54.020 it

01:11:54.200 in

01:11:54.300 any

01:11:54.460 other

01:11:54.640 way

01:11:54.980 I

01:11:57.480 also

01:11:57.980 think

01:11:58.300 about

01:11:58.640 we can

01:12:00.200 go ahead

01:12:00.480 and land

01:12:00.800 this

01:12:01.060 with a

01:12:02.060 nerdy

01:12:02.420 Warhammer

01:12:02.880 40k

01:12:03.380 reference

01:12:03.760 since we're

01:12:04.100 both

01:12:04.320 fans

01:12:04.580 here

01:12:04.780 I

01:12:05.240 also

01:12:05.360 think

01:12:05.600 about

01:12:05.900 how

01:12:06.320 in

01:12:07.360 that

01:12:07.560 lore

01:12:07.920 the

01:12:08.440 emperor

01:12:09.820 is

01:12:10.000 supposed

01:12:10.180 to

01:12:10.300 be

01:12:10.420 this

01:12:10.700 grand

01:12:11.240 atheist

01:12:11.580 man

01:12:11.880 of

01:12:12.020 science

01:12:12.420 and

01:12:12.900 he's

01:12:13.180 going

01:12:13.320 to

01:12:13.520 bring

01:12:13.940 civilization

01:12:14.400 together

01:12:14.760 and hold

01:12:15.100 back

01:12:15.420 but the

01:12:16.560 only thing

01:12:16.900 that actually

01:12:17.480 ends up

01:12:18.000 holding back

01:12:19.080 the little

01:12:20.200 hosts of

01:12:21.040 hell

01:12:21.240 that are

01:12:21.540 supposed

01:12:21.740 to

01:12:22.100 come out

01:12:22.740 of this

01:12:22.980 are

01:12:23.300 basically

01:12:24.040 the

01:12:24.280 religious

01:12:24.580 faith

01:12:24.960 that

01:12:25.160 ends

01:12:25.360 up

01:12:25.720 assembling

01:12:26.440 around

01:12:26.980 him

01:12:27.220 after

01:12:27.620 his

01:12:28.380 demise

01:12:29.400 so

01:12:30.780 just

01:12:31.000 kind

01:12:31.240 of

01:12:31.360 the

01:12:31.680 things

01:12:32.160 that

01:12:32.360 end

01:12:32.520 up

01:12:32.660 battling

01:12:33.000 this

01:12:33.300 at

01:12:33.460 the

01:12:33.600 end

01:12:33.680 of

01:12:33.780 the

01:12:33.820 day

01:12:33.940 aren't

01:12:34.200 the

01:12:34.360 cold

01:12:34.600 science

01:12:35.020 and

01:12:35.200 reason

01:12:35.440 but

01:12:35.620 actually

01:12:35.920 the

01:12:36.080 return

01:12:36.480 to

01:12:37.640 the

01:12:38.040 religious

01:12:38.360 sense

01:12:38.760 in a

01:12:39.160 very

01:12:39.360 real

01:12:39.700 way

01:12:40.060 the

01:12:40.620 person

01:12:41.560 being

01:12:41.800 worshipped

01:12:42.180 would

01:12:42.360 have

01:12:42.480 despised

01:12:43.320 yeah

01:12:43.800 the

01:12:44.060 sort

01:12:44.920 of

01:12:45.080 the

01:12:45.220 enlightenment

01:12:45.660 that

01:12:46.000 was

01:12:46.860 all

01:12:47.040 just

01:12:47.220 a

01:12:47.340 big

01:12:47.480 con

01:12:47.800 trick

01:12:48.060 yeah

01:12:48.760 yeah

01:12:49.380 all right

01:12:50.760 guys

01:12:51.020 well

01:12:51.220 we're

01:12:51.420 going

01:12:51.520 to

01:12:51.580 go

01:12:51.720 ahead

01:12:51.980 and

01:12:52.220 wrap

01:12:52.480 it

01:12:52.600 up

01:12:52.780 here

01:12:53.080 but

01:12:53.420 this

01:12:53.780 has

01:12:54.200 been

01:12:54.520 a

01:12:54.800 great

01:12:55.020 stream

01:12:55.240 I

01:12:55.360 always

01:12:55.540 have

01:12:55.760 an

01:12:55.920 amazing

01:12:56.280 time

01:12:56.620 talking

01:12:56.920 with

01:12:57.120 Morgoth

01:12:57.480 especially

01:12:57.940 about

01:12:58.600 Oswald

01:12:59.060 Spangler

01:12:59.580 so

01:12:59.920 this

01:13:00.520 is

01:13:00.880 always

01:13:01.060 a lot

01:13:01.320 of

01:13:01.420 fun

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01:13:04.420 too

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01:13:05.500 checking

01:13:05.720 out

01:13:05.960 all

01:13:06.240 of

01:13:06.380 Morgoth

01:13:06.840 stuff

01:13:07.340 all

01:13:07.760 the

01:13:07.880 different

01:13:08.040 places

01:13:18.060 to

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01:13:20.120 podcasts

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01:13:24.000 platforms

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01:13:27.760 out

01:13:27.960 make

01:13:28.160 sure

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01:13:28.600 you

01:13:28.760 leave

01:13:29.020 a

01:13:29.180 rating

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01:13:29.980 a

01:13:30.360 review

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01:13:32.060 great

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01:13:32.380 really

01:13:32.540 helps

01:13:32.820 everything

01:13:33.200 out

01:13:33.500 but

01:13:34.100 thank

01:13:34.500 you

01:13:34.600 everyone

01:13:34.860 for

01:13:35.080 coming

01:13:35.320 on

01:13:35.680 and

01:13:35.980 Morgoth

01:13:36.400 always

01:13:36.700 great

01:13:36.940 to

01:13:37.060 talk

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01:13:37.360 you

01:13:37.440 man

01:13:37.640 no

01:13:38.220 problem

01:13:38.620 see

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01:13:39.380 later

01:13:39.540 folks

01:13:39.920 all

01:13:40.820 right

01:13:41.000 guys

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01:13:42.100 see

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01:13:42.800 as

01:13:43.480 always

01:13:43.860 we'll

01:13:44.240 talk

01:13:44.420 to

01:13:44.540 you

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01:13:44.800 time

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01:13:54.940 that

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01:13:56.240 jam

01:13:56.900 packed

01:13:57.260 meaty

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - January 05, 2023

Man and Technics ｜ Guest： Morgoth ｜ 1⧸5⧸23

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