The Auron MacIntyre Show - Matt Gaetz Out at AG- Did Trump Suffer His First Loss？｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 11⧸22⧸24

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00:01:35.640 All right, so Matt Gaetz is out.

00:01:39.860 That's the big announcement.

00:01:41.840 Probably the most controversial and also the most energizing pick for fans of Donald Trump and the MAGA movement

00:01:49.740 has now withdrawn his own name from contention.

00:01:53.440 There's a lot of stories about the palace intrigue involved, different senators, yes, no, scandals.

00:01:59.900 Could there have been a CIA cutout involved?

00:02:02.360 All kinds of drama surrounding this and the fact that Pam Bondi has been elevated as the new pick.

00:02:08.820 Going to be getting into that.

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00:02:16.940 Talking about all of that with me today is your favorite frog, the Prudentialist.

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00:03:44.640 All right, so our biggest topic, like I said, is Matt Gaetz.

00:03:51.380 When the different announcements were coming out, when people were floating who were going

00:03:56.000 to be the appointments for the new Trump administration, there was a mix of surprise,

00:04:00.940 excitement, and concern.

00:04:02.680 Everybody knows that probably the largest issue that Donald Trump faced in his initial administration

00:04:09.020 was one of staffing.

00:04:11.100 Often he would put loyal people in, but they couldn't get the job done because they weren't

00:04:15.260 swamp creatures, they didn't have the connections, they couldn't make things happen.

00:04:19.300 And then he'd put swamp creatures in, and yes, they've got the connections, but they are

00:04:23.620 against him, they're against his administration.

00:04:26.100 Ultimately, they would betray him or ignore him.

00:04:28.780 And so he really had this issue of trying to find competent people who could move the levers

00:04:34.360 of power and make things happen.

00:04:36.560 That also had his interest, his agenda, the will of his voters in mind.

00:04:43.240 Everyone was asking the question, if Donald Trump gets elected again, has he learned his

00:04:47.740 lesson?

00:04:48.260 Can he make things happen?

00:04:49.600 Does he understand that personnel often is policy and it's critical to get the right people

00:04:55.260 in?

00:04:56.120 A lot of people were very excited about the changes made, the planning that was happening.

00:04:59.860 And again, as the different people were being announced, it was rolling out, there were

00:05:05.580 some cheers, there were some boos.

00:05:07.320 One of the biggest cheers came from Matt Gaetz.

00:05:09.980 Now, the interesting thing about Matt Gaetz is, of course, this is a guy who is known

00:05:14.620 to be very brash and abrasive for a lot of people.

00:05:18.300 He is good at manipulating the procedure inside the House, but he is also known for rubbing people

00:05:24.440 the wrong way, building a lot of enemies.

00:05:26.920 Many people in Congress hated him, especially with him being involved in the Kevin McCarthy

00:05:32.940 ousting.

00:05:34.320 And so he had a very capable, very, very ferocious, but also a lot of bad will built around him.

00:05:42.600 And most importantly, I guess, given his current ousting, it was the fact that he had allegations

00:05:48.580 hounding him constantly about possibly being involved with a 17-year-old at some point.

00:05:54.040 There was an investigation ongoing around that topic.

00:05:58.080 And ultimately, when Gaetz was announced, the thought was, okay, this is a guy who, if

00:06:02.840 he's going to carry this thing to the conclusion, will be a pitbull, right?

00:06:06.380 He has no future in the House because he had burned so many bridges.

00:06:10.620 Also, very importantly, he had taken no money from APAC, which is something that a lot of

00:06:15.340 people really care about, making sure that there's no influence or possible corruption in

00:06:19.740 that area, but also makes him probably someone who is less popular on the Hill.

00:06:25.160 This is a guy who a lot of people said, okay, he's got nothing to lose.

00:06:28.520 He's not bowed out.

00:06:30.040 This is a guy who is willing to go all in for Trump.

00:06:34.060 There's no future for him after.

00:06:36.360 He's not going to try to burrow into the deep state because he's so hated.

00:06:40.060 So this is exactly the kind of guy who can kind of burn these things to the ground and

00:06:43.980 build them back up again.

00:06:45.200 Go after Trump's enemies, these kinds of things.

00:06:48.380 A lot of people were very excited about that pick.

00:06:50.800 However, if you're going to do somebody, you know, like Matt Gaetz, if you're going to throw

00:06:54.640 somebody like Matt Gaetz out there as kind of one of your headline picks, you got to be

00:06:58.860 willing to follow through.

00:07:00.240 And that's kind of what I said from the beginning is you don't throw a guy like Matt Gaetz out

00:07:04.400 there unless you're trying to scare everybody into another pick, or you plan to really go to

00:07:10.200 the mat, you know, recess appointments, whatever you have to do to force this guy through.

00:07:14.080 So him ending up in this situation is definitely very curious.

00:07:20.300 Credentialist, what are your first reactions?

00:07:22.900 I was initially surprised that it was Matt Gaetz himself that had withdrawn his name from

00:07:28.120 the nomination process.

00:07:29.600 I know that with various more pro-Trump members of the House of Representatives that they had

00:07:35.000 said, you know, recess appointments.

00:07:36.420 And of course that, you know, he has gotten cozy with Speaker Johnson and Senator Thune has

00:07:41.080 sort of offered, I guess, the sort of dicta of an olive branch for the Senate.

00:07:45.500 And we've seen as this has come out that it's really come down to one or two couple of votes.

00:07:49.340 We knew that McConnell and that Murkowski and the rest of them, including the incoming

00:07:52.940 freshman senator from Utah, Senator Curtis, who is replacing Mitt Romney, who just seems

00:07:58.240 to be Mitt Romney but uglier, which seems to be the statement I've seen make the rounds,

00:08:02.380 which turned out to be very true.

00:08:03.660 So that was going to be sort of the deciding no vote.

00:08:06.360 So it raises that kind of question of, well, weren't we going to get recess appointments?

00:08:09.640 Because this has been standard procedure for a lot of presidents.

00:08:13.040 I mean, both George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush and Ronald Reagan had hundreds of these

00:08:18.200 recess appointments that were met with little to no opposition.

00:08:20.840 But I think that it just comes to show that, you know, you can make the, you know, you can 0.96

00:08:25.560 make an ass out of the Democratic Party. 0.97

00:08:27.020 It's actually really easy to do that. 0.99

00:08:28.760 We do this all the time on Twitter.

00:08:30.680 I mean, Oren's Twitter timeline is a great example of that.

00:08:32.680 But at the same time, it illustrates that this is really Trump and his camp versus the

00:08:37.780 Republican Party's establishment, which means you are dealing with the Senator John

00:08:42.400 Thunes, you're dealing with the Mitch McConnells of the world, and you're going to be dealing

00:08:45.920 with anyone that is not 100% on board with Trump's agenda.

00:08:49.740 And so far, every person that he's nominated has been some kind of Trump loyalist.

00:08:54.440 And I mean, Pam Bondi, who is the woman that he has announced to replace Matt Gaetz with

00:08:59.480 the nomination for attorney general, has, you know, been a long standing figure in Florida

00:09:03.880 politics for decades, and has been loyal to Donald Trump on the issue of, you know, whether

00:09:09.280 it be representing him in the first impeachment trial in the Senate, and of course, the 2020

00:09:13.900 election and representing him in all of the allegations and the very credible cases that

00:09:18.500 Trump had put forward when it came to the discrepancies in that election.

00:09:22.400 So I see that he's still aiming towards his push for loyalists, but it just does really

00:09:27.180 tell you just how intractable Washington Republicans are going to be.

00:09:31.700 It doesn't matter what you think of Matt Gaetz, or that you might find him weird or strange,

00:09:36.380 or that his quaff is well too manicured or whatever.

00:09:39.640 Gaetz was someone that was known to piss off the Republican Party establishment.

00:09:43.740 And for that, I'm a fan.

00:09:45.400 In the same way I voted for Trump in 16 and in 2020 and in 2024, it's the bull in the China

00:09:50.060 shop, hopefully he actually does more damage that's on credible targets.

00:09:54.340 But I was surprised to see him withdraw, because I really did think that we were going to have

00:09:58.260 this momentum where he was going to get more of what he wanted.

00:10:00.440 But, you know, we have to wake up and smell the coffee sometimes and realize that the bigger

00:10:05.380 problem that we have to deal with outside of the deep state is the machinations of the

00:10:10.700 establishment Republican Party.

00:10:12.740 Yeah, and this is a really horrible but true thing that you just have to recognize.

00:10:17.100 When we talk about the uniparty, this is what we mean.

00:10:20.060 As you pointed out, Murkowski, Susan Collins, John Curtis, and of course Mitch McConnell

00:10:26.180 apparently were voicing their dissent, and that would be enough to deny Gaetz that appointment.

00:10:34.420 But again, you have to assume that this was known, right? 0.95

00:10:38.580 Like, you have to know that, very sadly, the Republican Party is just full of traitors.

00:10:43.720 It's full of people who are more interested in maintaining the status quo than winning. 1.00

00:10:48.880 The Republican Party really is, I mean, it's a bunch of losers. 0.97

00:10:53.640 I mean, the Democratic Party, none of them voted against Joe Biden's appointments. 0.98

00:11:01.020 It just doesn't happen.

00:11:02.540 They all side with Joe Biden, even though they have their own internal disputes.

00:11:07.060 They have their own differences.

00:11:08.160 Obviously, we've talked a lot about different factions inside the Democratic Party and the

00:11:12.260 left.

00:11:12.500 But when it comes time to put people in power, they set that aside and they get the bulldogs

00:11:17.660 in there.

00:11:18.380 And that's what happened with Joe Biden.

00:11:20.620 There are plenty of Republicans who will cross the line and come over and vote for Joe Biden's

00:11:26.160 appointments because that's what the Constitution says they're supposed to do or whatever garbage 1.00

00:11:30.920 they throw out there. 0.93

00:11:32.100 But they are unwilling to do this, you know, to to point to go ahead and vote for Trump's

00:11:37.680 appointments.

00:11:38.180 So they'll vote for my orcas.

00:11:40.420 They'll vote for these people who are just ruining the country, destroying the country.

00:11:44.600 But they will not vote for Matt Gaetz.

00:11:47.180 This betrayal is just baked into the cake.

00:11:49.160 And so the question becomes, how much did they know?

00:11:53.360 How much did Trump recognize this?

00:11:55.820 Because, again, when you select someone like Gaetz, you know he's built a lot of bad blood

00:11:59.760 on the Hill.

00:12:01.220 You know he's got these allegations behind him.

00:12:03.880 Then when you put him up there, you have to assume there's going to be a fight, right?

00:12:08.100 You have to assume that with McConnell and these guys pushing back against you, you don't

00:12:13.480 just these are a big deal.

00:12:15.840 You don't want to take a loss early on.

00:12:17.700 You don't want to look like you can't get things done.

00:12:20.040 You want to have a front that is winning, that that's got a lot of momentum, especially

00:12:25.160 after getting that mandate from the voters.

00:12:27.220 So you want to select people that you're fairly certain you're going to get through or that

00:12:31.500 you've dedicated yourself to pushing through.

00:12:34.120 And Gaetz had a lot of red flags when it came to confirmation.

00:12:37.140 So I'm a little confused here because if you pick someone like Gaetz, you've got a couple

00:12:42.700 of options.

00:12:43.420 One, you wanted this guy.

00:12:46.140 You know about the controversy.

00:12:47.660 You know about the bad blood.

00:12:49.040 You know that you're going to get betrayed.

00:12:50.500 But you still think he is so valuable that you are going to do what you need to do.

00:12:55.000 You're going to go for recess appointments.

00:12:56.620 You're going to break arms.

00:12:57.620 You're going to do whatever is necessary to go ahead and get him into a spot.

00:13:02.460 Or you believe that Matt Gaetz is so terrifying that you put him out there to scare the leadership,

00:13:11.880 both left and right, and say, OK, now whoever I put up next is going to basically fly through.

00:13:18.400 Now, as you pointed out, Pam Bondi is somebody who is a very much a Trump loyalist.

00:13:21.920 I remember Pam Bondi back when I was doing Florida politics, when I was working on congressional 0.91

00:13:26.520 campaigns, she was a lawyer out of the Tampa area and was well known. 1.00

00:13:32.260 She's been a figure in Florida politics for a long time.

00:13:34.960 We certainly have a Florida-occupied government.

00:13:37.800 As you look at all of the different people that Trump is appointing, he is certainly looking

00:13:42.220 for those loyalists, whatever you might say about the people from Florida.

00:13:47.080 They are, he is assembling that team from outside of Washington, D.C., competent people

00:13:53.180 who are not attached to the Washington machine.

00:13:56.420 Now, will those people stay loyal?

00:13:58.080 Will they look to burrow in?

00:13:59.300 That's the concern.

00:14:00.120 That's what people liked about Matt Gaetz.

00:14:01.600 He was so toxic that he was just very unlikely to seek a career, you know, ingratiate himself

00:14:06.760 to the machine.

00:14:07.820 You could say the same is probably more true of people coming out of Florida than it would

00:14:11.960 be if you're picking a bunch of people who are attached to the D.C. machine, but still

00:14:15.880 the question sits there.

00:14:17.540 But ultimately, it's a little confusing, like you said, that Matt Gaetz withdrew himself

00:14:22.280 because a lot of people are pointing to the allegations that he was facing in connection

00:14:27.760 with, you know, possibly soliciting a minor.

00:14:31.440 He has denied all of that.

00:14:33.340 He has said that all of that is a complete lie.

00:14:36.680 In fact, if you look back, there's an old Tucker Carlson interview with him saying that

00:14:41.540 there was a bribe put forward, a $25 million kind of embezzlement scheme put forward to

00:14:49.620 try to take money from his father to get rid of these allegations, which seems kind of wild,

00:14:54.640 but there have been other reports.

00:14:56.120 And, you know, it's hard to know if you can verify these things that possibly this information

00:15:00.780 was obtained off another guy's phone in Florida, but that it was fabricated.

00:15:06.240 There's like fake IDs and something involved.

00:15:08.520 And so ultimately, these charges might be false, but they were being used to try to extort this

00:15:15.180 money from Matt Gaetz's father.

00:15:17.240 Maybe the CIA is involved, the FBI.

00:15:19.740 There's a lot of news flying around.

00:15:22.560 But Gaetz should have known that all of this existed.

00:15:25.280 Of course, he's been embroiled in these controversies for a long time.

00:15:29.400 So it's kind of weird that, you know, knowing he's not very popular with many of the GOP members,

00:15:34.600 knowing that he has this investigation ongoing, that he would then enter into this arena only

00:15:40.980 to withdraw himself at this point.

00:15:44.760 On one hand, I think that regardless of what the facts were, they may lie with these allegations

00:15:50.800 or with any sort of FBI or relationships to individuals trying to get someone out of Iran

00:15:56.500 and everything that I've seen from quite a viral report about what's happened with respects

00:16:03.320 to Matt Gaetz.

00:16:04.840 But I mean, let's not kid ourselves.

00:16:06.500 Even if only, you know, a drop of that is true, I think that it's well worth remembering

00:16:12.060 that we did have, when Trump was in office the first time, you know, his generals lie to him

00:16:17.560 about troop presence in Syria.

00:16:19.160 There was a coordinated effort with intelligence firms, as well as actual members of the intelligence

00:16:26.500 community, openly conspiring against the president of the United States because they didn't like

00:16:31.080 him.

00:16:31.640 You had Milley and others, you know, always trying to keep, you know, two eyes on him at 0.99

00:16:36.300 all times to make sure he could never do anything stupid. 0.85

00:16:39.520 And of course, a lot of this is probably fabricated, but the thought that they considered him that 0.93

00:16:43.540 dangerous and probably did conspire against him illustrates that nothing is really beyond

00:16:48.320 the reach if you were going to piss off the establishment in Washington, D.C.

00:16:52.260 We see this sort of humor all the time.

00:16:54.840 I mean, let's not, it can be something way more tamer, like Madison Cawthorn, who, you

00:16:59.320 know, is no longer in the House of Representatives because he decided to tell the general public 0.53

00:17:04.060 that, hey, actually, there are these crazy drug-fueled sex parties that happen in Washington.

00:17:09.600 And then just a few days later, you know, these incriminating photos came out and all the sort

00:17:14.200 of compromise that they had on his materials, things like that came out.

00:17:17.700 So, I mean, it wouldn't be beyond my wildest imagination to say that perhaps Gates and

00:17:24.120 his family have been entrapped or have been caught on the wrong side and they got, you

00:17:28.880 know, someone who made an indiscretion has now been just torn apart by the machinations of

00:17:34.460 our intelligence community.

00:17:35.860 But on top of that, I think that, you know, the other thing to look at here is that his

00:17:39.500 replacement probably was on some sort of short list.

00:17:43.420 I mean, Pam Bondi works with Ballard Partners, which is a, she's been a registered lobbyist

00:17:48.760 there since 2019.

00:17:50.800 Susie Wiles, who is Trump's chief of staff and was one of the campaign managers along

00:17:55.180 with Chris Lissavita, is also a lobbyist with that firm.

00:17:58.820 So this was probably the chief of staff, it's probably Susie Wiles saying like, well, here's

00:18:02.400 another pick that we can reliably go to and here's the short list of reasons as to why

00:18:06.520 you can support her.

00:18:07.480 And I don't know if, you know, I saw that there was Senator Lindsey Graham, everyone's

00:18:12.960 favorite closeted senator in the United States and the Carolinas, talk about how, you know,

00:18:18.220 this person was a slam dunk or a pick and it sounded very sarcastic as if he wasn't happy.

00:18:23.580 But I could be misreading that tweet, of course, because you can't really read tone over text.

00:18:27.760 So it does raise the question as to, well, what happened to recess appointments and what

00:18:32.180 happened to things like that?

00:18:33.300 But to me, I think that they have a deeper bench than just one person.

00:18:37.960 And I think that that is at least the silver lining out of all of this is that regardless

00:18:41.600 of Matt Gaetz getting in or not, or nominated for some other position or just withdrawing,

00:18:46.380 that it has come with a deeper bench than, say, Trump scrambling to think of who's going

00:18:52.640 to take the next pick.

00:18:53.680 Because between him withdrawing, it's only been about, what, 24 hours or so since Pam Bondi

00:18:58.560 had been named in the midst of him dropping out.

00:19:01.020 So I think that it does give us a good sign, at the very least, that Trump has a bench of

00:19:06.160 staff that he can work with to call from out of the roster.

00:19:09.860 Now, there's some things about Pam that I'm not necessarily fond of.

00:19:12.320 Like in the 2018 Parkland shooting, she made it sound like she was pro-red flag laws with

00:19:18.060 respects to gun confiscation, which is a huge issue for me.

00:19:21.040 But, you know, overall, he's got a roster and he's got a bench.

00:19:24.740 So that gives us something.

00:19:26.740 Yeah.

00:19:26.840 Also, not great performance during the Zimmerman.

00:19:30.000 No.

00:19:30.900 Yeah.

00:19:31.660 But I will say this.

00:19:33.580 The deputy, remember, the deputy attorney general is still going to be Todd Blanche,

00:19:38.380 who's Trump's personal lawyer.

00:19:40.800 So again, just a lot of people who are personally loyal, personally in his orbit,

00:19:46.560 owe their careers and their connections to him in many ways.

00:19:49.800 As you point out, you know, Bondi is part of the America First legal.

00:19:54.720 You know, she is tied into this network very tightly.

00:19:58.340 So maybe not many people's first pick for, you know, someone who would go in there and

00:20:04.140 just be an absolute madman, you know, taking everything down.

00:20:08.220 But certainly, like you said, there's a bench there. 0.84

00:20:10.700 There's depth.

00:20:11.200 It's important to have that ability to switch people in who are competent.

00:20:17.320 And so you do hope that hopefully they do have enough loyalty built in over at the DOJ

00:20:25.260 with the attorney general and the deputy that they're going to be able to get that work done.

00:20:30.940 The reason I was a little concerned with the approach to Gates, and that's why I really

00:20:37.460 want to know if this is totally just Gates surprising the Trump administration or if this

00:20:43.020 was, you know, something that they planned, you know, if Gates is a feint, then that's

00:20:48.640 a relatively, you know, interesting maneuver.

00:20:51.560 Again, a lot of people are like, oh, Oren, you're talking about Trump playing 5D chess.

00:20:56.000 No, I'm talking about Trump playing just 2D chess, like just having any strategy at all.

00:21:00.360 There's this weird thing where if you assume there is any strategy at all, people are like,

00:21:05.220 oh, man, trusting the plan.

00:21:07.200 Okay, QAnon guy.

00:21:08.680 It's like, no, I'm just wondering if they had any form of basic strategy.

00:21:12.760 I mean, Donald Trump wrote a book about the art of the deal and the big ask and the anchoring

00:21:17.180 mechanism, and this would be a perfect example of using that strategy, the one he spoke about.

00:21:23.680 So I don't feel like you're indulging in, you know, 5D chess fantasies to say, hey,

00:21:28.600 maybe a guy who wrote a book about a specific strategy is using that strategy.

00:21:32.820 However, if it wasn't that strategy, then the question becomes, did Gates, you know,

00:21:39.140 just entirely broadside them with this withdrawal?

00:21:43.000 And if not, then is Trump just not willing to go to bat right away?

00:21:48.480 Because that's the bad sign.

00:21:49.700 Like the worst case scenario is Trump selected this guy.

00:21:53.040 He really wanted him.

00:21:54.280 And then he just completely withdrew as soon as he got any kind of real pushback.

00:21:59.460 That would be the worst case scenario.

00:22:01.040 But since, you know, it looks like Gates did withdraw himself, you do hope that either this

00:22:07.800 was the plan all along or genuinely they were just surprised Gates ends up kind of pulling

00:22:12.860 a fast one on Trump himself.

00:22:14.880 And, you know, you end up in a situation where it's like, OK, well, then we go to the bench.

00:22:19.040 You grab somebody like Pam Bondi.

00:22:20.320 Well, again, I think that one of the most and oldest negotiating tactics that's known

00:22:27.020 is that you always you start with an ask that is way beyond the likelihood of them saying

00:22:33.100 yes, which makes the likelihood of your second ask being more inclined to be picked.

00:22:38.120 And I mean, I think that he still has, like you said, Todd Blanche there.

00:22:41.320 He hasn't lowered his rhetoric on any of his other picks.

00:22:46.160 This is the only one that we've seen to withdraw.

00:22:48.180 And the fact that he still thinks that everyone else has a strong chance.

00:22:51.740 I mean, he hasn't, you know, it's not like RFK Jr.

00:22:54.480 has announced that he's going to withdraw.

00:22:56.780 I think that there's probably some sort of strategy in mind here.

00:23:00.340 And I think that, you know, this news is still fresh.

00:23:02.580 So things can play out in the next couple of weeks.

00:23:04.680 And this can age like milk or this can age like wine.

00:23:06.840 But I think that it's important for us to sort of wait back and see what's happening here,

00:23:10.580 because I think that the likelihood of someone like RFK getting in,

00:23:15.100 that may come with actual Democratic support,

00:23:16.920 because as soon as he was announced, you had senators like Cory Booker

00:23:20.540 and other Democrats on the Hill, you know, support the idea that we should work on making

00:23:26.260 Americans healthier, that we do need to look at industrial farming and pharmaceutical companies

00:23:30.900 and additives, which, I mean, it's not like RFK is great on a lot of issues,

00:23:34.400 except for the ones that matter, like making Americans healthier.

00:23:37.340 You know, he was very progressive in his campaign.

00:23:40.020 But I think that, you know, there's some strategy that's being played here for what he wants to do.

00:23:43.760 And I think that his camp trying to be realistic says, well,

00:23:48.180 Attorney General may have some places or some limitations in mind,

00:23:52.500 but I think that there's probably something of a strategy on the foreground here.

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00:24:25.380 Yeah, you have to remember that there are other picks like Tulsi Gabbard,

00:24:34.860 which sent people in, you know, they were just as apoplectic about that selection.

00:24:40.000 So there's a possibility that Gates was always meant to be kind of this foil that would initially open up,

00:24:47.160 you know, the possibility of other slightly less controversial candidates sailing through

00:24:53.440 because they've already kind of spent their ammunition on crushing somebody like Gates out of the box.

00:24:59.260 Now, interestingly, a lot of people were speculating, and I was among them,

00:25:03.220 of whether this means that you move Gates into another position.

00:25:07.300 Obviously, he did win his House seat, but he's already made it clear that he is not going to return to the Congress.

00:25:13.080 So he will not be resuming his place there.

00:25:17.320 A lot of people have speculated he possibly would get put into Rubio's seat because Marco Rubio will be moving from the Senate to the State Department.

00:25:26.600 And so that means that DeSantis has the option of naming his replacement to the senatorial seat in Florida.

00:25:33.500 But I imagine if he's vacating the House seat, then it seems unlikely that that would be the case.

00:25:40.100 But it's possible.

00:25:41.060 It seems like Gates is more or less said, I don't think I'm going to be in politics right now,

00:25:47.120 especially with the allegations hanging over his head.

00:25:50.020 But it's still possible he could still get placed into one of those positions.

00:25:54.960 Either way, it will be very important who DeSantis picks to replace Marco Rubio.

00:26:00.720 And I believe this creates a scenario where you have to actually elect someone to the House because Gates never sat.

00:26:08.880 I think you get a special election.

00:26:10.340 I'm not 100 percent sure about that.

00:26:12.180 But I don't think that DeSantis gets to put someone in for that entire term without an election.

00:26:18.740 But we will have to see how all of that develops.

00:26:22.020 Yeah.

00:26:22.540 And again, this is where Trump is going to have to be what kind of political avenues that DeSantis has in mind.

00:26:29.900 And I know that there isn't necessarily a limit on how many times you can be governor.

00:26:35.040 I just know that there's a certain limit on how many consecutive terms you can serve as Florida governor.

00:26:39.060 So I'm sure that DeSantis is thinking about his own political future in mind with all of this.

00:26:43.600 So I'm sure that that plays a large role for what he wants to do in politics on the national stage if he still wishes to go that way.

00:26:51.160 But, I mean, I don't know how likely Gates will pursue.

00:26:54.880 I don't think he's going away anytime soon.

00:26:56.640 Heavens no.

00:26:57.180 Gates is still incredibly young.

00:26:58.900 I think he's only, what, in his early 40s.

00:27:01.240 Like, his political career, for all intents and purposes, is young.

00:27:04.040 And the momentum for the Republican Party, or at least the Trump wing of the Republican Party, seems to have a future.

00:27:10.000 I think that it's important for us to remember that there really are two Republican parties that right now you have the MAGA wing, and then you virtually have everybody else.

00:27:17.980 And we already saw how that played out with the 2024 primary season when it came to all the presidential candidates.

00:27:22.880 Virtually every never-Trumper or Trump skeptic went for DeSantis or Nikki Haley or virtually any other candidate.

00:27:29.000 And then, you know, everyone else was either on Team Trump.

00:27:31.240 And Republicans did not do nearly as well down-ballot as Trump did, obviously, as the election results show us.

00:27:37.720 So I think that, you know, the future, I think, is still, there's a lot of open doors for Matt Gates.

00:27:43.040 And whether he becomes a lobbyist or he pursues another elected or appointed official position in this administration or something within Florida politics, he's not going away anytime soon whatsoever.

00:27:53.700 And I think the fact that we have a roster and that Trump has picked people that have been loyal to him or have garnered a sense of appeal of bipartisanship with these individuals like Tulsi Gabbard or RFK Jr., that you are getting sort of a, listen, there are clearly huge structural problems that are wrong with the United States government.

00:28:15.220 These things need to be corrected.

00:28:16.380 The question just becomes whether or not his campaign staff has the political will to shake up norms, because as we saw in 2020 and as we saw in 2016 and the first administration, that there was a lot of things keeping him from actually doing any significant damage to the administrative state, anything like that.

00:28:33.760 And I think that anyone who is willing to even remotely wield the law like Democrats do is going to terrify them regardless.

00:28:41.400 And so, I mean, let's not kid ourselves.

00:28:43.760 I mean, Elon Musk, of all people, decided to play the same sort of strategy that Democrats do, bus people, offer incentives to register to vote, things that Republicans don't traditionally do with their get-out-the-vote efforts.

00:28:56.820 And so, and that had huge, huge impact.

00:28:59.560 Otherwise, we probably wouldn't have seen Trump win this election the way that he had done in the margin that he had had.

00:29:04.000 And so, I think that they kind of have a ballgame to play here, but at the same time, these things really do have to go.

00:29:11.280 And I think that now it's a question of what is the most realistic way to make that happen.

00:29:15.940 What do you think about this Florida focus?

00:29:18.520 Because I think it's interesting.

00:29:19.860 A lot of people suggested this was kind of the main selling point for DeSantis, along with all of Trump's legal troubles, was this idea that DeSantis had this power base in Florida.

00:29:31.900 He had built this very competent structure there, a lot of connections.

00:29:35.880 And, you know, all of these things are true.

00:29:37.360 I think he deserves credit for this, but the idea was he could take that political machine into Washington, D.C., right?

00:29:44.500 Like, he wouldn't have to do what Trump did.

00:29:46.560 He wouldn't have to source all of these picks from inside the swamp.

00:29:50.040 He could take these competent people who are attached to his administration in Florida and transplant them into D.C.

00:29:56.120 and create his own power base there.

00:29:57.900 This is something that our Republican politicians basically never do, and one of the many reasons that all of these administrations are already captured by the time they get in there.

00:30:09.400 But Trump seems to have basically just taken that page from the playbook.

00:30:12.660 He said, all right, well, actually, I'm going to do that.

00:30:15.560 I'm just going to lift a lot of these people directly out.

00:30:17.760 Now, obviously, the Trump camp and the DeSantis camp inside of Florida is itself a split, so I'm not saying that these are one for one, every one of the picks that DeSantis would have brought in for sure.

00:30:28.420 But ultimately, a lot of these people are connected.

00:30:31.340 You know, his Susie Wills is someone who was connected with the DeSantis campaign, though there are rumors that ultimately there was some bad blood there at the end.

00:30:41.380 But, you know, Pam Bondi, these are people who have kind of worked with, you know, brushed up with a lot of these.

00:30:46.940 You saw, obviously, that Trump and guys like Elon were pushing for Rick Scott early on to be the head of the Senate.

00:30:56.460 And so it really does feel like the idea was basically just take all of this infrastructure, this political infrastructure from Florida, and just install it into Washington, D.C. when you move in.

00:31:07.480 Yeah, and I think one of the things to consider with all of this sort of, I know that a lot of people like to joke that it's like a Florida-occupied government with respects to all of Trump's campaign, or his picks for his incoming administration this coming January.

00:31:22.860 I think that one of the differences is that, you know, you could, with DeSantis, if he wanted to be president, as we saw with that, the man is an excellent administrator, not a great campaigner, and the people that he had working for him were awful.

00:31:35.960 And if DeSantis were the pick, I'm sorry, you know, never-Trumpers, that he would have lost this election to an even less likable, less electable woman than Trump did when he beat Hillary Clinton.

00:31:46.520 Yeah, can you imagine the negative charisma of DeSantis and Kamala Harris in a debate, just like that?

00:31:54.780 It would be so bad that even DeSantis would have gone on the Call Her Daddy podcast.

00:31:59.940 He's that lacking of charisma.

00:32:01.980 But he's a great administrator.

00:32:03.240 Like, as soon as he had dropped out from the presidential race, he was doing all those videos, doing all the legal work, and explaining why, you know, this government's actions were unconstitutional.

00:32:11.660 I was like, well, where the hell was that guy for, like, the eight months that you were running for office?

00:32:14.980 Right.

00:32:15.580 So, but I mean, also, you know, Trump moved from New York to Florida.

00:32:20.200 And since then, with his Mar-a-Locker resort, you know, we get to have a second, quote-unquote, Camelot.

00:32:25.940 You know, we had that with sort of Kennedy, and we had this sort of palace intrigue of the Kennedy White House, this mythos.

00:32:31.680 A lot of that, of course, is media, you know, astroturfed and such.

00:32:35.360 But, I mean, with respects to Trump, like, you actually do have this tropical resort palace in which people go to in and out.

00:32:44.340 And there is real palace intrigue that has it there.

00:32:46.940 But also that Trump has been in politics and has been involved with the business world, the politics world, the international community for decades, long before DeSantis had rose to any sort of political prominence.

00:32:57.700 And to see, you know, Trump just working out of sort of his own little Camp David down in the Florida, you know, down in the Keys is kind of entertaining to watch.

00:33:08.700 But also at the same time that Trump has a team, Trump has people that he can trust.

00:33:12.200 And, I mean, the one flaw that I think we did see out of his first term was is that, you know, a little too much flattery can sometimes get the worst people involved who will stab you in the back.

00:33:22.900 But I think that, as Trump has said on this campaign trail and as he has reiterated, he kind of has a better grasp of understanding of how Washington works.

00:33:32.240 And the people that are around him are not only just veteran Florida politicians or people involved in Florida politics, but also that know what it means to win and deal with the national, you know, political scene, but also how to deal with Washington.

00:33:45.920 Whereas I think DeSantis, while being a very talented administrator, is not going to put you in the best position to transition from, say, oh, you know, here's how we do things down in Florida versus, well, now you have to talk about people in Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona, not to mention Capitol Hill.

00:34:02.420 Yeah, ultimately, I hope that this is not a sign of a poor planning, but simply a hiccup or perhaps even a strategic move.

00:34:14.280 I think ultimately there are still a number of strong picks.

00:34:19.140 I think that they're, like you said, that the upside is that there is a lot of loyalists around him, a lot of people from outside of Washington.

00:34:28.080 There's a network that he controls entirely inside, you know, this new White House administration that's going to be coming in.

00:34:37.200 And I do hope that that is going to be critical.

00:34:40.200 I hope that that does allow him to do the things he'd like to do.

00:34:43.600 But, you know, I need to see some deportations, man.

00:34:46.540 Like this needs to happen.

00:34:48.100 And if you're going to make something like this happen, you really need to have, you know, a steely-eyed will.

00:34:53.660 You need to be able to throw off what people think about you.

00:34:56.820 You need to be willing to hurt the political actors who are not going to get on board.

00:35:03.680 They need to feel the political pain for their betrayal.

00:35:08.240 This needs to be a very real thing that you're willing to get into.

00:35:11.180 And so, like I said, my only concern was that a kind of knuckling under on Gates would indicate a wider interest in simply kind of taking the easy road and going back to Trump 1.0.

00:35:25.120 And if we just get Trump 1.0, is it better than Kamala Harris?

00:35:28.560 Of course it is.

00:35:30.120 Does it still give us a level of breathing room that we wouldn't have had otherwise?

00:35:34.280 Yes, I believe it does.

00:35:35.280 But does it mean we're not going to get anything from D.C.?

00:35:38.660 I hope that's not the case.

00:35:40.120 Ultimately, though, you have to act that way, right?

00:35:42.420 And that's still the way you should approach this.

00:35:44.720 You should not expect Trump to save you.

00:35:46.520 You should not expect him to change everything.

00:35:48.740 If he does, that's fantastic.

00:35:50.660 I will praise him when he does.

00:35:52.080 I will be thankful when he does.

00:35:53.440 And I encourage people to support him to the extent to which he is getting all of that done.

00:35:59.420 But ultimately, this is a reprieve and a time for building, a time for you to be able to organize, to make things better in your area, and get set up for a time in which you perhaps don't have someone in the White House who, at the very least, is not maliciously trying to destroy what you have built.

00:36:17.280 That is, unfortunately, I think, the way that you have to view this moment, not because you want to be cynical, not because you want to be blackpilled, but because you want to be prepared.

00:36:25.880 Like, the point is, you cannot have what we want unless you are building a virtuous community in which you are part.

00:36:33.740 And if you are just pushing that responsibility to the side and saying, well, I voted and it's time to grill, then you kind of failed this, right?

00:36:41.260 Like, so I hope Trump does what he said he's going to do.

00:36:43.620 I hope he's competent.

00:36:44.720 I hope he pushes these things through.

00:36:46.140 I hope the momentum stays with him.

00:36:48.440 But ultimately, do not rely on that.

00:36:50.800 Recognize this moment for what it is.

00:36:53.380 Yeah, and I think that the biggest thing that you pointed out there was that desire to grill now that he won.

00:36:59.080 Republicans, in a large extent, their voter base have often treated elections as political release valves, and to a large extent, they are and even still are to this day, even though we've, you know, the messaging has been clear for your lifetime and my lifetime that every election is the most important election of our lifetimes.

00:37:15.360 You have to vote like your life depended on it.

00:37:16.860 And I mean, even even Elon Musk earlier today, making it very real or earlier this campaign season, which is saying that this is the last election if Trump doesn't get in.

00:37:24.920 Well, I mean, again, I mean, you have to be putting the pressure on them.

00:37:28.700 And I mean, even with the millions of people on his voter rolls and people who've received campaign texts, if he were to get even 1% or even 0.1% of a return to pressure those people to call their senators and to call their congressmen, they could probably get a lot done with respects to their agenda.

00:37:46.640 Because nothing pisses off a senator or congressman more than having their office filled with phone calls and letters for things that are really against what they wish to do for business as usual on Washington.

00:37:56.400 Not that I'm a big advocate and a believer as a democracy enjoyer or anything like that, but I do know that, you know, pressure, pressure works and the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

00:38:04.440 And that with respects to Matt Gaetz, I mean, is he explained earlier on Charlie Kirk show that everything that had been going on about him, you know, he knew that the Senate would delay out of these ethics investigations, out of these salacious allegations that are against him.

00:38:21.080 And I imagine that he probably didn't want to put his family through that and that he has no desire to, you know, put any extra hamper on Trump's momentum that he's got going for him for any other of his picks.

00:38:34.420 Because if, you know, Matt Gaetz having his own long history in Washington and being a firebrand and making a lot of enemies is going to put an uphill battle, I imagine a lot more energy and a lot more momentum is either going to have to be incurred and spent either to get recess appointments or to actually get people like, you know, RFK Jr.

00:38:53.460 or whoever else that Trump decides to go forward with and pick as actual cabinet positions for the Senate's advice and consent role in the Constitution.

00:39:02.180 So I think that, you know, some of this seems to be very deliberate and a lot of this understands that, listen, we only have so much political capital, so much goodwill that we can expend before getting into office in January of 2025.

00:39:14.560 Let's try and use it as politically savvy as possible and let's be wise about it.

00:39:19.740 That way we can actually push the bigger battles that we want to do, like deportations or, you know, trying to gut, you know, the administrative state.

00:39:28.100 So the other topic that we wanted to touch on today is the push now for euthanasia in the United Kingdom.

00:39:37.880 The Economist has done a big story, a front page story about why it's important for the United Kingdom to embrace euthanasia.

00:39:48.120 Hilariously, they say that it's critical that this liberty be granted, this fundamental liberty to die be granted to the people of the United Kingdom.

00:39:59.620 I find that hilarious because the United Kingdom is currently a place where you cannot disagree with the government over immigration online lest you go to jail.

00:40:09.280 So it's kind of funny that they don't have the fundamental liberty to say, actually, I don't want to be invaded or replaced, but they do have the fundamental liberty to die, which is just an amazing thing.

00:40:22.900 Because, of course, we've seen the terrible response that this has had in Canada, the way that the government has already used this.

00:40:30.820 You know, we're always reassured when these kind of policies enter that they'll be carefully vetted, that there'll be experts involved, that, you know, everything will be very by the books.

00:40:42.540 There'll be plenty of procedures.

00:40:43.940 We know how we love our proceduralism to safeguard us.

00:40:47.360 But we've already seen that all of the scary things that we predicted, the slippery slope that just would never happen in Canada, started pretty much right away.

00:40:57.400 They were killing mentally ill people, they were killing people with depression, they were killing homeless people, they were even killing young people who were just sad.

00:41:07.020 You know, this is something that has already happened on a regular basis with Canadian health care.

00:41:12.340 And it's amazing that people can look at this model and see the way that it's already being abused in a place like Canada and say, yeah, I really want to get me some of this.

00:41:22.580 Yeah, and I think that there are several things to consider here.

00:41:28.160 I mean, one, I think that the euthanasia push is in large part, as people like, you know, the libertarian think tank writer Megan McArdle had pointed out several years ago,

00:41:38.280 that one of the biggest things that depresses fertility, of course, is, you know, lavish welfare and pension systems that actually decreases your dependency on having a large family to help take care of you.

00:41:52.860 And it puts you more on the dependency of the nation state and the systems that are going to provide welfare and pensions and housing and medical care and the rest.

00:42:01.580 So why bother about having a family? But also that, you know, a lot of European states and America itself outside of immigration has seen its, you know, TFR and its fertility rate crater.

00:42:13.320 I mean, well below replacement levels. I mean, there are numerous nations inside of Europe and the European community.

00:42:19.860 I mean, outside of Britain. I mean, Italy is one of the oldest countries in terms of, you know, how many people are above a certain age of 65 per capita.

00:42:28.300 And so the logic of keeping the machine, the welfare system, the pension system has been propagated on we must have more workers in order to provide people to come in and add to that tax base so we can pay for the pensioners.

00:42:44.580 You know, 50, 60 years ago, the idea of Social Security made sense when there were about four to five workers per one pensioner on Social Security.

00:42:52.900 That made sense. But when now it's almost the inverse of that, and that becomes the significant problem.

00:42:59.020 And of course, it does not help that all the people that get brought into these countries anyways, both the United States, both in Britain and various parts of the EU, they're all, you know, they're all net negatives with regards to how they provide and pay into the systems.

00:43:13.840 The only, you know, net taxpayers in America outside of Asians and whites is, actually, that's just it, really. 0.55

00:43:21.120 The rest, more or less, in there are a drain on those sort of public services and public infrastructure with taxpayer money.

00:43:27.340 So this is the system literally cannibalizing its own citizens for the purposes of saying, you know, blood for the, you know, the subsidies gods, blood for the Gibbs god, we must continue this system. 0.90

00:43:40.580 Because otherwise, we are going to watch it collapse underneath our feet.

00:43:44.520 And I have been alive long enough to have been told by numerous politicians, I mean, hell, even Jack Kemp talked about it, about the future insolvency of Social Security, that I would not be surprised if something like that came to the United States in one day or in certain parts of the, in blue states, to say the least.

00:43:59.940 But it illustrates that this is the managerial system cannibalizing its own, because these things have to continue.

00:44:07.140 But as I had said earlier today on Twitter, euthanasia in an age of open borders is just another form of industrial culling of the native population.

00:44:17.440 You want to talk about the Great Replacement? That's fine. That's great.

00:44:20.380 But also keep in mind that what's going to accelerate that is a medicalized form of tyranny that says, well, the medical security state now says that if you're feeling sad, if you're getting a little too old, or you don't want to wait in line for that hip replacement, how about we just off you instead?

00:44:36.760 And as we've already seen with the Canadian experiment play out only in the short couple of years it's been around for us, that it doesn't matter if you're a homeless vet, it doesn't matter that you are doing well for yourself, or even people who said, oh, I'm just going to off myself because I'm getting evicted and it's too hard of a struggle.

00:44:53.300 The same thing is going to happen in Britain, and this is already on top of the fact that they are pushing for an exorbitant inheritance tax to punish farmers who are land rich but cash poor, and basically just simply to say, with all this other rhetoric, that the English countryside is not diverse enough.

00:45:11.760 And if we can break up the land reform, we will incorporate South Africa style expropriation, and if you feel bad about it, well, we can offer you a nice little suicide pod for 25 cents a use.

00:45:25.300 Yeah, there's so much to respond there to, so I guess I'll start with this.

00:45:31.040 I want to write a larger article about this probably, but just the managerial mindset and its relentless drive towards this kind of industrial scale population elimination seems inevitable.

00:45:47.980 This seems to be part of the way that the managerial state forms, right, that these mass bureaucracies and their relentless need for social programming, they try to control every aspect of everything from life to death.

00:46:02.140 You know, don't worry.

00:46:03.420 If you're going to have a kid and you're a native, we can get rid of it for you. 1.00

00:46:06.940 If you're too old and you're a native, we can eliminate you. 1.00

00:46:10.200 We want to make sure. 1.00

00:46:11.140 And people laughed.

00:46:12.360 Do you remember everyone laughing at Sarah Palin when she said that government health care would inevitably lead to death panels?

00:46:18.500 And here we are with exactly that prediction coming true on a regular basis.

00:46:24.820 There is this scenario where as soon as the state gets enough involvement in health care and it's setting up the system, like you said, that is pushing it towards possible insolvency.

00:46:35.920 The solution is to import as many people from outside of your country as possible and inevitably eliminate a large amount of your base population, your native population. 1.00

00:46:45.940 I mean, who is getting old and dying? 0.54

00:46:48.460 Well, it's a bunch of white British people, right? 0.89

00:46:51.280 You know, same thing in Canada and inevitably America.

00:46:54.060 Like, who is the generation that is going to be falling under, you know, the day of the pillow, right? 0.94

00:47:00.180 It's going to be the whitest generation in all of those different countries. 1.00

00:47:05.760 And you look at what's happening in the UK.

00:47:07.940 I mean, the UK is terrifying at this point. 0.94

00:47:12.020 Starmer is just a soulless tyrant.

00:47:15.620 It really is amazing. 0.80

00:47:16.960 He just seems to hate everything that is good or beautiful or true.

00:47:20.480 And one of the many things, as you point out, that is now being pushed in the UK is this need to diversify the countryside.

00:47:29.040 You know, if you go, you know, I've been to the UK a few times.

00:47:33.440 You go into London.

00:47:34.700 There's just there's no British people there.

00:47:36.540 There's very few British people in London.

00:47:39.940 They're not there.

00:47:41.220 But if you get out to the countryside, once you leave the major cities, then you start to see British people again.

00:47:47.060 Then you get to see British culture again.

00:47:48.680 I liked being in London.

00:47:49.580 I like going to the different museums and seeing the sites.

00:47:53.420 But honestly, the nicest part of those trips really was getting out to the countryside and experiencing British culture because there are British people there and it's still allowed to exist.

00:48:04.300 Well, it turns out that's not OK anymore.

00:48:06.180 And they need a project of decoolicization like we really are in a full on Soviet style scenario where we've got to get rid of these farmers. 0.87

00:48:15.420 You know, there's too many native British people who own farms. 1.00

00:48:19.880 We've got to break it up.

00:48:20.920 They're the rich, not the financial people running London.

00:48:23.620 No, it's the people out in the country.

00:48:26.400 They've got to go.

00:48:27.480 And as you say, this all feels like, you know, as you're calling the population with the euthanasia.

00:48:33.420 If they've made it too hard for your family to have a home anymore, housing prices are exploding because so many immigrants have been moving in. 1.00

00:48:43.140 Don't worry. 0.98

00:48:43.620 You can just kill yourself, right? 1.00

00:48:44.880 Like you can just have the government kill you and that'll solve that problem. 1.00

00:48:48.480 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:48:48.820 I see you're out there with that farm that's been in your family for generations.

00:48:52.400 Well, it looks like it's not diverse enough.

00:48:54.180 We need to go ahead and get rid of it.

00:48:55.720 It's hard not to notice the theme across all of these programs.

00:48:59.440 The old population's got to go because the new population is the only thing that's going to be controllable and is going to pay the bills. 0.97

00:49:06.580 Yeah.

00:49:06.980 And again, we talk you can talk about any form of this economic system in terms of the welfare state and talk about, you know, neoliberalism, offshoring, open borders, open trade, whatever is, is that we are now coming to the culmination of what that looks like.

00:49:21.960 And when certain populations get too old and obviously the system is borderline insolvent or very much is insolvent and that there's no real way to balance the books because you have the short term political problem of, well, we can raise the age of retirement.

00:49:35.640 And then, of course, people who are near the age of retirement are going to get out and protest and it's not very popular with a lot of lobbyists.

00:49:42.140 I mean, the same thing with like Medicare and Medicaid spending in the United States.

00:49:44.760 People really get upset when you talk about maybe raising the age of eligibility for it or changing who's allowed to be on it and vice versa.

00:49:51.400 Or you can deal with the long term problem of insolvency and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who are going to have no form of assistance whatsoever.

00:50:00.320 And, of course, these things are sort of being put to themselves as part of this greater culture of anti-life.

00:50:07.640 The system must survive.

00:50:09.760 The institution must survive.

00:50:12.200 And it does not matter whose blood is going to be fueling the engine that makes it run.

00:50:18.140 Because in this instance, like you had mentioned, there are three big caveats into all of this.

00:50:22.140 I mean, the first one, of course, is just the rampant antinatalism.

00:50:24.320 I mean, the biggest election issue the Democrats ran on for this last election and in 2022 and since Roe v. Wade has been preserving the right for you to kill your child.

00:50:38.280 And as all the data indicates, over 90% of that procedure is elective. 0.97

00:50:43.060 It is the choice that they make to murder their children. 0.96

00:50:45.480 On top of this, we've noticed that with the Kamala Harris campaign, the only times that white people were ever shown in Democratic campaign ads were either, A, about abortion, or, B, making sure that you had access to your pornography.

00:50:57.960 You were here to waste your life away and just to be a good, productive citizen for the tax base so we can subsidize the old people but also the new people that are coming in. 1.00

00:51:06.540 And it doesn't matter that what they make a month on entitlements are going to be more than what you make in a month in your actual full-time job.

00:51:13.580 And then, of course, you have this push for euthanasia, this push for, you know, let us just kill the elderly, those who are probably still capable of contributing to society or at the very least still holding a role as a patriarchal or matriarchal figure in their family line. 0.99

00:51:29.700 And, of course, you know, we've taken away the cultural necessity of taking care of our own, and instead we have made everyone an interchangeable, deracinated unit that says it is totally okay to pull the plug on grandma off.

00:51:43.760 It means that you can charge your phone for a few minutes just because that's the only outlet that's available in the hospital room.

00:51:48.740 And this system, again, has made it very clear that if you have kids, don't have very many because of the environment, don't have children at all, and if anything, if you do get pregnant, you should abort them and you should waste your seed on pornography.

00:51:59.820 And if you get too old, well, the family is going to make the decision and really push you whether you like it or not for you to, you know, take the pills, take the IV solution or whatever so that you can slip this mortal coil.

00:52:11.800 We have desacralized family, desacralized life, and we have instead said as a system, and what we're now seeing in Britain is that, well, not only are we going to replace you, but we are going to kill the ones that you hold dear, whether by taxation, expropriation, or by a biomedical security state.

00:52:28.040 Yeah, again, it's just stunning how bad the UK has gotten.

00:52:33.700 Just, you know, have a lot of friends over there now, and I feel bad.

00:52:38.200 It's a beautiful country, and it's terrible to see it go the way it's going just across the board.

00:52:44.180 And this is just the latest in a long string of terrible decisions and abuses that are being visited upon the British people by their government, who just seems dead set on destroying that country as rapidly as possible.

00:53:00.160 All right, guys, we're going to move over to the questions of the people.

00:53:02.820 But before we do, Prudentialist, where can people find your excellent content when you're not on this show?

00:53:09.140 Well, as always, Oren, thank you so much for having me on.

00:53:11.200 And it is always a pleasure to be that great guest for a great stream that I hope people truly enjoy.

00:53:16.200 No, so you can find me over on YouTube, on Rumble, on Odyssey, as The Prudentialist.

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00:53:23.060 Just look for the lovely amphibian that you see on screen.

00:53:25.640 You can find me there and find me at findmyfriends.net slash The Prudentialist.

00:53:29.700 I have a weekly show, usually on Tuesday evenings with my friend Gio called The Digital Archipelago, where we cover digital culture and what's going on in the news.

00:53:37.260 I review a myriad of books on my substack, as well as various issues that are going on in day-to-day.

00:53:44.260 And I'm also doing a series called Do You Even Read with my friend Dimes from Blood Satellite.

00:53:50.540 We are beginning to do a little more theory land acknowledgments on my channel as well.

00:53:55.880 We'll be covering Anti-Oedipus this coming Monday.

00:53:58.820 And then the Stalin's War series resumes this week as well.

00:54:02.800 Yeah, I know we've been doing – we had our series of schizo philosophy Fridays. 0.54

00:54:09.500 We moved to our rank punditry, so I'm glad you're continuing the philosophy over there.

00:54:15.280 Let's go ahead and pick up our questions here.

00:54:18.960 Political Thirstworm says, I've only ever voted for Trump.

00:54:22.080 They don't follow his mandates at their cost because I simply will never vote for a Republican.

00:54:27.780 Yeah, I think that's a very popular sentiment at this point.

00:54:30.920 The Republican Party is pretty much hostile to the interests of the American people as much as the Democratic Party is.

00:54:38.180 For a lot of people, Trump is the reason that they're being motivated to involve themselves in Republican politics.

00:54:45.800 And without kind of that MAGA movement, there's not a whole lot of energy in the Republican court.

00:54:52.760 So the hope is that momentum from Trump will continue to change the Republican Party more than the Republican Party can kind of stymie the advances of Trump's agenda.

00:55:07.260 But we'll have to continue to see.

00:55:09.300 Yeah, you can hate leftists, but remember, the Republican Party hates you more.

00:55:13.560 That's exactly right.

00:55:14.720 The left, the left is the enemy. 1.00

00:55:17.040 The right are the, you know, the Republicans are the traitors. 0.99

00:55:20.120 Let's see here. 0.99

00:55:21.640 Cripper Weirah says, the black pill is a suppository.

00:55:23.820 They want you to take it sooner rather than later.

00:55:26.500 Yes, I will keep saying it until it sticks.

00:55:30.240 Let's see.

00:55:31.220 Philosophical again says, the mandate is already faltering before a single Abula is deported. 1.00

00:55:37.160 Shaky legs all over the place.

00:55:38.800 Again, I hope that's not true.

00:55:40.380 Trump certainly won a very convincing election.

00:55:46.160 He has the mandate.

00:55:48.020 He has the momentum.

00:55:49.800 It's very clear that the left are a little shaken from the fact that he won in the convincing manner that he did.

00:55:56.320 He didn't just eke out a win in the Electoral College, but went across the board. 0.98

00:56:00.360 So, it would be foolish.

00:56:02.620 While I want to push Trump, I want to encourage good behavior. 0.60

00:56:05.840 I want to be realistic in my analysis.

00:56:07.740 I want to make it clear that I don't think people should be blackpilling.

00:56:10.760 I don't think people should be, you know, really harshly counter signaling Trump right now.

00:56:15.840 Not, again, that, no, get up and do whatever Trump says and fall in line.

00:56:18.820 I'm not saying that.

00:56:19.920 I'm just saying give the man time, encourage him, you know, push him in the right direction, but always do that while being on side.

00:56:27.100 I think that that really is something that people need to keep in mind.

00:56:31.340 Again, you can't put all of your stock in Trump, but I don't think it's a little early to ultimately be throwing in these black pills as well.

00:56:38.500 Yeah, we can only find out when he's actually in office and what kind of insanity is coming in.

00:56:44.720 Literally, we are only, what, two weeks since the election itself.

00:56:49.660 I mean, there's still so much time between here and when he takes the oath of office for us to really find out anything and what his administration does in its first 100 days.

00:56:58.860 But, again, all the palace intrigue and all of the knife fighting between, you know, establishment Republicans, Trumpists, new right people, whoever, whatever camps that you want to call with or identify, you know, we really need to be looking at this in the same way that the paleocons, the neocons duked it out in the midst of Reagan's election in 1980.

00:57:18.760 That's the closest political parallel we have to this, and I think that there are enough people who have the money and the means to realize that you can't afford that decades-long worth of containment again.

00:57:30.940 But at the same time, you know, I am happily prepared to be wrong on that.

00:57:35.520 I've said before the election, I'll say it after, trust not in princes and the sons of men in whom there is no salvation.

00:57:41.360 At the very least, Trump has bought yourself maybe four more years to prepare for God knows what comes after him.

00:57:47.040 Yep, that's exactly right.

00:57:49.560 Robert Weinsfeld says,

00:57:51.460 The Gates replacement theory, was it a fate to get the next woman up? 0.99

00:57:58.240 Are his closet skeletons fake or real?

00:58:02.960 Yeah, again, it's hard to know, you know, to what level the allegations are true.

00:58:08.040 Obviously, allegations of sexual impropriety are thrown around constantly.

00:58:12.240 They basically throw it at every male Republican or Republican appointee, including to the Supreme Court and everything else.

00:58:20.580 Even when those people end up not even being that much of a Republican or a right winger, they still pull these same tactics over and over again.

00:58:27.480 Again, it's difficult because you don't want to completely dismiss.

00:58:30.960 You do want people who are, you know, have a certain level of moral, you know, upstandness.

00:58:36.820 But at the same time, you know, these allegations come down on everybody.

00:58:40.800 So you don't want to ignore things that are true, but they do them so often.

00:58:45.060 They cry wolf so often that it's almost impossible to know, you know, to what extent something like this is real.

00:58:50.940 Also says DeSantis on Call Her Daddy pod.

00:58:56.820 Great stuff.

00:58:58.580 He would.

00:58:59.360 He would.

00:58:59.680 He's got sort of that wet sock energy that comes with a lot of mainstream Republican candidates.

00:59:03.520 I don't know.

00:59:04.280 I think Robert's other point, though, about just I not not you can call me whatever.

00:59:09.540 I'm just noticing a series of patterns here.

00:59:11.800 I'm noticing, as Steve Saylor might say, that a lot of Donald Trump's female picks for political appointments, whether it be the Supreme Court or otherwise, have not been particularly.

00:59:20.940 Particularly impressive.

00:59:22.380 So I'm Pam Bondi has that going against her by the nature of her sex alone. 1.00

00:59:27.580 Sorry, Pam.

00:59:29.700 Andrew Guller says off topic question.

00:59:32.020 Andrew Klavan keeps talking about the social imaginary, but never defines it.

00:59:37.120 Any insight on what he's talking about?

00:59:39.260 He says it comes from French existentialists.

00:59:42.720 I got to say, I've read some French existentialists, but I can't immediately place that.

00:59:48.320 You have any familiarity with that term?

00:59:50.940 I've always heard that the social imaginary was the shared understanding of a society, that the French existentialists kind of pulled it from sort of Ernest Renan's questions of what is a what is a nation?

01:00:04.160 There's a mutual understanding that there's a mutual understanding that every citizen has of its values, institutions, language, history, laws, religions, and things like that.

01:00:14.240 It's just a common group identity that everyone sort of shares in their mind of what they conceive the state to be and how is it reflected in their worldview and how do they identify with it?

01:00:27.060 I haven't read a lot of French existentialists.

01:00:30.020 I've read a lot of French postmodernists, but I think that's more or less what the social imaginary is.

01:00:35.700 Yeah, that's what I would assume it would be just from the phrase, but I don't have enough knowledge beforehand to really speak on it in any depth.

01:00:46.340 I mean, if that is the concept, then yeah, that obviously exists to an extent you could unpack that, but I don't want to go on at length about it if neither of us are just familiar ultimately.

01:00:56.780 But thank you so for the question there, Andrew Creeper Weirdo says the left loves life, a negative life.

01:01:05.780 Gotcha. I see. Let's see here.

01:01:08.640 And then John Morton says exit booths for Gammons on every street corner.

01:01:14.060 Where they can sit down and watch something Gammons liked back in BBC's 1991 adaptation of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe and just drift away.

01:01:24.980 Yeah, that's that's super dark.

01:01:26.680 But unfortunately, that also seems to be an not insignificant part of the plan when it comes to kind of the current United Kingdom.

01:01:36.340 But again, I pray for that country. I hope things are, you know, turn out better, have a lot of friends there now and want to see you guys win and succeed.

01:01:45.900 But I got to say, you know, if we ever fix things over here, it might be time to head over and do a little bit of liberation of the UK.

01:01:55.140 Solve our own problems first, I suppose.

01:01:57.020 Yeah, let's leave the let's let's lead ourselves as the example of trying to fix our own stuff before we try and make anything worse.

01:02:05.820 I mean, the American cultural exports of wokeness to the United Kingdom and other countries has been a disaster for their own conservative movements, because it's like the Colombian exchange. 0.98

01:02:15.020 You and I have a native immunological response to this, whereas, you know, talking about like, you know, non-binary people and the Ibram X. 0.70

01:02:24.600 Kendi style of racism has been just a mimetic smallpox that has been released on the old world. 0.99

01:02:31.280 And if we are going to succeed in helping our European friends, we have to come up with an antidote to successfully kill it. 0.99

01:02:39.060 Yeah, the the the the British have taken to the whiskey of wokeness in the like a Cherokee who's never tasted the firewater. 0.98

01:02:47.660 Yeah, it's a it's a hilarious analogy.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - November 22, 2024

Matt Gaetz Out at AG- Did Trump Suffer His First Loss？｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 11⧸22⧸24

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - November 22, 2024

Matt Gaetz Out at AG- Did Trump Suffer His First Loss？ ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 11⧸22⧸24

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Matt Gaetz Out at AG- Did Trump Suffer His First Loss？｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 11⧸22⧸24