The Auron MacIntyre Show - Media ATTACKS Trump for Surviving Second Assassin ｜ Guest： Jeremy Carl

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00:00:38.100 Unfortunately, it looks like presidential assassination attempts,

00:00:41.780 or the attempt on the life of prospective presidents or previous presidents,

00:00:46.720 is now something that's going to be a regular feature of American life.

00:00:50.760 Donald Trump survived another assassination attempt yesterday.

00:00:54.360 Luckily, this one was not as close.

00:00:56.940 The assassin was ferreted out before he got any shots directly off at President Trump.

00:01:02.700 But we're in a situation where the news media seems to not only have embraced the fact that this is a part of life,

00:01:10.180 but are blaming this directly on Donald Trump himself, that his actions, his rhetoric, he's the one driving this.

00:01:17.120 Not a media that regularly calls this man an existential threat to democracy,

00:01:21.740 somebody who could destroy the country if he's allowed to get back into power.

00:01:27.040 Joining me to discuss this today is a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute.

00:01:31.920 He's the author of the great book, The Unprotected Class.

00:01:36.280 Jeremy Carl, thanks for joining me, man.

00:01:38.740 Thanks so much, R.

00:01:39.440 And it's a pleasure to be on.

00:01:40.360 Yeah, originally we were going to be talking about Springfield and, you know,

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00:03:28.780 All right, Jeremy.

00:03:29.720 So we are still waiting for a lot of information coming out.

00:03:33.880 Obviously, this is still early days.

00:03:35.420 We're in a bit of the fog of war situation when it comes to news.

00:03:38.260 So everyone take what we are going to be talking about with a certain grain of salt

00:03:42.300 because obviously, unfortunately, the media is also very bad intentionally at getting this information out.

00:03:48.720 But from what we know so far, it looks like there is a 58-year-old assassin by the name of Ryan Routh.

00:03:56.000 He has an extensive criminal record, including it looks like a standoff with police in North Carolina in 2002

00:04:04.920 where he was in a standoff for three hours while holding a fully automatic weapon.

00:04:11.300 This is not a guy who is very stable or this is obviously somebody who is prone to violence.

00:04:16.840 But he also seems to have a record of political extremism.

00:04:22.140 He is very much a supporter of a lot of progressive causes.

00:04:26.940 Before his Facebook and Twitter were taken down, both seemed to be taken down by those respective social media companies.

00:04:36.600 People captured many of his posts, many of which were repeating a lot of the rhetoric that comes from many MSNBC

00:04:44.920 and other mainstream media talking points, even Democratic candidates talking about how Donald Trump is an existential threat to the United States,

00:04:52.000 how he has to be dealt with, this kind of thing.

00:04:54.640 It's amazing because the last assassin, which it's a terrible thing that we can even say that phrase,

00:05:00.860 from a couple months ago, Crooks was really in many ways an enigma for the months after.

00:05:07.180 We didn't get a lot of information about him.

00:05:09.620 The media said, of course, we just don't know what the motive could be, even though he shot at the president.

00:05:14.320 But we're getting, you know, they're trying to get the same refrain in here.

00:05:18.920 But for, you know, this time, it seems like there is a solid trail of kind of media fingerprints

00:05:24.400 connecting this assassination attempt, the man himself and the rhetoric involved from the media.

00:05:33.060 Absolutely.

00:05:33.760 I mean, I think there's, you have to kind of crazy people because I would argue in most cases,

00:05:38.900 you know, you have sort of philosophical discussion about evil versus, you know,

00:05:46.660 I think in general, people are treating people else.

00:05:52.020 Unfortunately, you're, sorry, your connection just broke up on us right as we started for some reason.

00:05:58.040 Oh, okay.

00:05:59.820 All right.

00:06:00.860 So let me repeat that.

00:06:04.400 Yeah.

00:06:04.540 So, yeah, I think what's happening right here, it's kind of very,

00:06:08.900 I do think there, you have to make this differentiation between folks who may just

00:06:17.240 crazy and whatever vertical views are, are just a manifestation of some sort of inner psychosis

00:06:25.640 whom very rational, if perhaps evil, political view and are just kind of extreme in that way

00:06:34.180 in terms of how they're manifesting.

00:06:36.600 And I think this guy is very much the second.

00:06:39.100 I mean, he's been, he was interviewed by the New York Times a year ago talking about supplying

00:06:43.480 mercenaries to the grain.

00:06:45.500 He clearly has some connections to deep state folks.

00:06:48.380 I don't think that this is a, frankly, because they do it, they're going to pick people who

00:06:54.940 are a little bit more stable.

00:06:56.220 Do you think that it's, it's interesting that this guy was reputable person, his sort of

00:07:04.840 far left circles.

00:07:06.100 And so this is kind of a, you know, this is really, this is a assassination.

00:07:11.620 It's not just somebody looking to become famous.

00:07:15.660 You still had a little bit of breaking up there.

00:07:17.940 You may want to try turning off your camera.

00:07:19.820 Just maybe that'll help with the lag of your, your, at least get good audio connection there.

00:07:24.120 But I'll, yeah, I'll kind of, well, while you're working on that, I'll, I'll kind of pick

00:07:28.040 up where you left off there.

00:07:29.400 Yeah.

00:07:29.860 It is very clear.

00:07:31.120 As you say that there is a certain aspect of people who are seeking attention.

00:07:35.920 They're looking for it for some kind of attention.

00:07:37.920 They're just insane.

00:07:38.920 They're just crazy people.

00:07:40.500 That's why they're involved with this kind of shooting.

00:07:42.860 They don't have themselves some, some kind of strict political understanding.

00:07:46.840 They just, you know, their, their, their inner lives are destroyed or they're looking for

00:07:51.260 the attention.

00:07:51.660 That's something that this would bring to an otherwise disordered life.

00:07:55.180 And then there are people who actually are believing in a political ideology and are motivated

00:08:01.380 to violence or extreme action by that ideology.

00:08:05.360 And in the case of Ralph, it seems very clear, as you pointed out, this is somebody who was

00:08:10.400 interviewed by the New York times, uh, was a vocal supporter of the Ukraine war.

00:08:15.360 Uh, he was in a video supporting, uh, the Azov battalion in Ukraine.

00:08:20.240 Uh, a lot of people pointed to the fact that he, he and crooks were both in videos supporting,

00:08:26.060 you know, one black rock, one supporting Ukraine has a lot of people stirring the pot there.

00:08:30.880 Uh, you know, I, I, I'm not, I'm not even really going to call that a conspiracy at this

00:08:34.480 point because these are just factually true things that keep happening.

00:08:37.360 Uh, but, but the fact that that's the case makes it clear.

00:08:40.800 This is somebody who is very invested in politics.

00:08:43.680 And like you said, this is not some random cry for help though.

00:08:47.040 Obviously he has a history of, of violent behavior.

00:08:50.000 So those things are not completely connected, but this is somebody who's tuned into the

00:08:53.920 rhetoric of the left, the, the cries that the journalists have been doing over and over

00:08:58.240 again, somebody just rid me of this meddlesome priest and somebody who took that pretty seriously.

00:09:04.080 Yeah, absolutely.

00:09:04.800 And it's sort of been staggering to see a few of these news headlines.

00:09:08.480 Uh, you know, the Sanford, uh, the, the Cincinnati, uh, newspaper kind of basically saying this is,

00:09:15.360 uh, he brought this upon himself.

00:09:18.400 The New York times even has something a little similar talking about, oh, this is all symptoms

00:09:24.160 of our violent political age.

00:09:25.920 Yeah.

00:09:26.480 It's all foreign against Trump, but you know, it's funny when I look at actual politicians

00:09:30.640 who've been targeted prominently, at least for, for violent things.

00:09:34.000 I think of, um, the Steve Scalise, I think of twice Trump, I think of Rand Paul being assaulted

00:09:42.240 very seriously by his neighbor.

00:09:43.760 And I have a hard time, uh, finding the equivalent on the left-hand side.

00:09:49.120 Not that of course there are not, you know, far right wing kooks out there, but for whatever

00:09:53.760 reason, despite the fact that we're of course much better armed than they are on average and

00:09:57.840 know how to use our arms, uh, much better on average than those guys, we seem to have a conspicuous

00:10:03.760 deficit in the killing opposition politicians, um, uh, you know, sort of a business on the right.

00:10:11.120 And I, you know, I'd like to say, I hope we continue in that, in that vein to have that deficit.

00:10:16.080 Yeah, there's this scenario where we get these headlines that keep saying,

00:10:20.480 I abhor political violence, but, but, but there's a, there's a lot of that. There's,

00:10:27.600 I'm really against this, but I mean, he did have a, a, a skirt that was really short.

00:10:33.200 And I mean, really, should he have been alone in that alley? I mean, you know, is any guy who's,

00:10:38.240 who's, who's not looking for trouble really, you know, wearing something like that at 3am alone in

00:10:43.280 New York city, we're, we're getting a lot of those type of stories. It's all, it's all Trump.

00:10:48.960 It's his rhetoric. You know, he just did this terrible thing in, in Springfield. A lot of them

00:10:53.760 are pointing to, uh, Springfield and, and the, and the, the discussion around migrants in Springfield

00:10:59.520 as, uh, as a flashpoint for violence, these kinds of things, comparing that to what is happening,

00:11:04.960 uh, with Trump. And, and also I've noticed that the, you know, the conspiracy theories have really

00:11:10.480 done their work to be fair. Uh, the FBI lied, uh, directly to Congress, uh, about the, uh, the

00:11:18.000 political leanings of crooks. They, they said, oh, his social media shows that he was basically a

00:11:22.800 radical right-winger when, you know, when, when the gab founder, uh, uh, Andrew turbo was able to

00:11:28.240 produce the actual posts of crooks on gab, showing that he was trolling the right that he was talking

00:11:34.240 about by now, maybe he's just unstable. Maybe he's been on both sides. Maybe he's just a schizo

00:11:38.720 poster going both directions. That's possible. But the, the FBI did not mention any of his pro Biden

00:11:44.320 posts. They only mentioned him as some kind of Trump supporter. And so the left has held onto

00:11:49.680 that. That has been their vindication. Oh, is it, it was a Trump supporter. It's Trump's guys taking

00:11:54.480 out their own. We're not violent. Even people who want to kill Trump have to be Trump supporters

00:11:58.880 because all violence flows from Trump. And now I'm seeing the same thing with this guy, even though

00:12:03.520 he's literally got a Biden hair sticker plastered on the back of his pickup truck. There's already

00:12:08.240 people in every one of my, uh, my, uh, Twitter posts, uh, in the comments saying, oh no, he's a

00:12:13.520 Trump supporter. He's a Trump guy. He's a big Trump backer. He was a huge Nikki Haley fan, as if that

00:12:18.160 was any kind of vindication. Uh, you know, so the, the, this guy is, is a huge Trump, Trump supporter.

00:12:23.840 They've bought into this lie. Everyone's shooting a Trump is actually a secret Nazi as well. Everyone

00:12:28.960 just happens to be a bad right-winger. Right. Well, will we ever know the motive of this, just a

00:12:34.080 mystery, just like, uh, it was, you know, obviously the right-wingers who caused $2 billion worth of

00:12:39.920 damage in the BLM riots. Right. It's, it's just, I understand the temptation to take these people

00:12:47.520 seriously because you and I, and you and I are not immune from this. We grew up in a certain media

00:12:52.800 environment. These were the voices that, yeah, we understood, of course they were biased, but there was

00:12:59.680 still a certain amount of respect that was attached to them, a certain amount of respectability.

00:13:05.760 And it's hard to fully accept, no matter how many times you hear it or see it, that these guys are

00:13:12.560 just nuts and there is no falsehood or nuts or evil. I mean, depending on the person in the situation,

00:13:19.120 but there, there is no level of falsehood that they will not go to. And, uh, you know, they're,

00:13:25.280 they're also, I think they're amping it up because they're scared because I think they realize

00:13:28.640 they are actually losing. And I think they're losing in this election pretty, pretty decisively.

00:13:33.120 I think that, uh, this is, I'm not one of these poll obsessives, but I actually think that, that

00:13:37.840 things are actually probably a little bit better for us as they've consistently been under Trump

00:13:42.480 than what the polls show. And I think they're, they, they know how badly they've behaved and

00:13:47.280 they're worried dad's coming home. Right. And, uh, when dad comes home, you know, some people are

00:13:52.720 going to get, hopefully he's bringing a belt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm out. If they're lucky, maybe,

00:13:57.680 maybe a belt, I mean, I hope a belt that's another, another discussion, but, um, um,

00:14:03.200 so I think as that happens, we should expect them to just get crazier and crazier

00:14:08.800 up till election day. And then of course, depending on the results of the election,

00:14:12.960 maybe even continuing on till past election day.

00:14:15.760 Yeah. There's, there's obviously, um, this, this ratcheting up, we saw the first assassination

00:14:22.480 attempt. There was at least a few weeks after the assassination attempt where the media had to

00:14:26.640 lie low, right? Because Trump is literally bleeding and heroically dragged us straight

00:14:31.760 stages. He's screaming, you know, fight in front of the American flag. That's even for the left,

00:14:37.360 even for the incredible spin machine of the left, that's a hard one to fight. Uh, so there's a couple

00:14:42.800 of weeks where we got a little bit of the, the, the, the dialed down rhetoric. Well, maybe he's not

00:14:47.600 Hitler is, it's just a problem. You know, it's just, it's just, just a divisive political figure,

00:14:52.640 but maybe, maybe he's not trying to genocide everybody. And it took them three, four weeks

00:14:58.320 before they turned that all the way back up. And we got right back into Trump is gonna, you know,

00:15:02.640 wipe out all the illegal agreements and bring back slavery. And it's the handmaid's tale, you know,

00:15:07.040 Trump triumphant overall. And the, now we get a second, uh, attempt and they don't even bother.

00:15:14.160 They didn't even bother with the, the week of, well, maybe we shouldn't immediately call

00:15:19.200 Trump Hitler the day after someone attempted to kill him a second time. No,

00:15:23.440 they're leaning entirely into it. Cranston Steens. I mean, they're terrible on Twitter, but

00:15:27.120 like all of these, you know, a lot, a huge amount of mainstream people on the left are immediately

00:15:32.640 going into this rhetoric of Trump deserve this. Trump was asking for us. Trump is responsible

00:15:37.280 for all increases in violence. It doesn't matter how many people on the left shoot at Trump.

00:15:41.120 The right is the problem. The right is the one that is taking it. And there's only one

00:15:44.720 clear message that comes out of this, which is political violence is something that the left

00:15:49.520 is allowed to do, right? The left is allowed to riot. The left is allowed to burn down your city.

00:15:55.040 The left is allowed to trap you in your home. The left is allowed to, uh, you know, intimidate

00:16:00.240 you in front of your house and you'll become a news story. If you're the one that defends yourself,

00:16:04.480 the left is around allowed to attack you in a mob. And if you shoot back, you're the problem.

00:16:09.360 The left is allowed to shoot a president. Like this is the message. And that is what they're

00:16:14.640 trying to make loud and clear. J six is a danger to a democracy that one, one incident in which

00:16:20.400 some people got out of hand, you know, and still weren't, you know, no one died. No one was killed.

00:16:25.200 That that's the ultimate, uh, threat to our democracy, but the left can continue to commit

00:16:30.640 direct acts, actual acts that get people killed property district doesn't matter. It's not a problem.

00:16:36.400 Yeah, absolutely. And it's sort of like, you need to, to kind of put on the veil of glasses

00:16:41.360 to a degree for, for those of you who've seen that movie, right. And you just realize that,

00:16:45.520 that all of these narratives are being put out by, by very bad Borg people who are aiming to destroy us.

00:16:51.760 And, uh, you know, I think at this point, like the real mistake is to even engage most of these

00:16:56.480 people in good faith. I think, unfortunately they do have power. There are times in which I will engage

00:17:02.960 some folks from the so-called mainstream media in a strategic fashion. But, you know, if you're

00:17:08.640 expecting to have any sort of fair shake or fair discussion, it's just, you're like Charlie Brown

00:17:15.520 and Lucy pulled the football away for the thousandth time. And it's sort of like, well,

00:17:20.240 what do you think is going to happen in time thousand and one? So.

00:17:23.440 Yeah. It's also hard to miss the timing and the repetition on this one. Trump wins the debate.

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00:17:44.560 Biden stays in. They fail to kill Trump. Biden drops out new candidate, new debate.

00:17:55.440 Yeah. Trump wins a debate. Trump gets an assassination attempt. Is there a third

00:18:00.080 candidate waiting in the wings of the democratic party? And like every time there's a bad performance,

00:18:04.640 we just, you know, Trump has to dodge another bullet and we get a new democratic candidate.

00:18:08.080 Right. No, no, absolutely. And I think, uh, you kind of touched on the winning the second debate

00:18:12.720 and it's sort of fascinating because it was really a moment of, of, uh, sort of Scott Adams persuasion.

00:18:20.400 As soon as I heard it, I knew that this was going to be the thing. I'm like,

00:18:23.280 I didn't watch debates. I never, I'm like one of these Hollywood people who don't watch movies.

00:18:26.240 I never watch presidential debates. Um, but as soon as I heard that he brought up the cats,

00:18:32.240 I'm like, I don't care what else happened in the debate. It's just going to be about cats.

00:18:36.480 And in fact, and this may segue at some point into a Springfield, uh, conversation, uh, you know,

00:18:42.720 that's, that's just going to be a winning issue for us because it really is the, the linchpin of,

00:18:47.920 of kind of every other crazy thing that the left has done, particularly on immigration. And the fact

00:18:52.800 that Kamala, uh, hit all these singles, um, doesn't matter. Um, that, you know, that was kind of the,

00:19:00.560 the post date spin room was well. She did really well. And Trump was out of, um, you know,

00:19:06.160 maybe not on the top of his game, but at the end of the day, what people remember from that debate

00:19:10.640 is cats. And, uh, and that's ultimately a winning issue for us to be talking about.

00:19:15.840 Yeah. There's even like a tick tock trend of people remixing him, the dogs and the cats line.

00:19:21.600 Like it really is this moment where, as you say, people don't watch presidential debates anymore.

00:19:27.200 They know they're a sham there. They know that they're going to be completely controlled.

00:19:31.040 Uh, actually I think, you know, not, not to, you know, not to be the one, uh, to, to shine on the

00:19:36.080 blaze here at the home team, but I think it's just true. The, the best debate I've seen in probably

00:19:41.040 my lifetime ultimately was the one that tuck where Tucker just brought everybody sat down to that

00:19:47.040 candidate forum for 20, 25 minutes and made them answer questions. Like that's where we learned more

00:19:52.640 about substantive issues, policies, understandings of visions for the future of the United States.

00:19:58.160 Then we've seen it any media controlled, you know, mainstream media control debate in a very long

00:20:02.720 time. So people don't bother to tune in for those, but what they see is the clips. They see the memes,

00:20:06.960 they say, they see the highlights. And so it's not about, oh, like you said, I'm consistently hitting

00:20:11.520 singles. I'm getting on base. Everyone. No, it's about who hit the home run, who got the thing that

00:20:15.440 breaks through and becomes the viral sensation. That's the only thing that the vast majority of people

00:20:20.400 who are even paying some attention to politics will actually see most of the time.

00:20:25.200 Yeah, absolutely. And I can't remember who said it on X, but it was a really good take where they

00:20:29.440 sort of said, you know, the whole spin room, which was the kind of legacy of the Bill Clinton era,

00:20:35.200 which is where I sort of grew up and, you know, you had these and then all the campaign surrogates

00:20:40.080 are spinning immediately after on how their candidate won the debate. This is a, this is a relic

00:20:47.200 of a different media age. And now it's all just about like, who has those moments that get on X or

00:20:54.400 get on tick tock. And Trump is pretty darn good at that. And, and again, I was just really,

00:20:59.920 I was surprised. As soon as I did that, I'm like, if the left is dumb enough to engage with this,

00:21:03.920 it's just going to be a constant win for us. And, you know, they couldn't help themselves. So,

00:21:08.320 so, you know, great. Exactly. Yeah. I knew the same thing because,

00:21:11.520 you know, I, I worked as a local reporter and whenever I worked in, in politics and crime,

00:21:16.960 I repeat myself. But yeah, whenever the, the day was slow, there's always one section of town where

00:21:24.560 you knew you could get a crime story, just go check the blotter for, for that area. And you're,

00:21:29.280 you're going to get it. And there's consistently stories of animal entrails and left culverts because

00:21:36.320 we had had large populations that practiced voodoo and Santeria moving into the area.

00:21:41.760 The remnants were being left. The remains were being left. So I knew from personal experience

00:21:46.720 that a lot of this stuff is going on just under the surface in towns where there's a high degree

00:21:51.760 of immigration. So when I, as soon as I saw that story, even if one specific instance wasn't the

00:21:57.360 case, I knew that as soon as they started digging, they were not just going to find more of that,

00:22:02.240 which is sensational and headline grabbing, but more importantly, the things that the people

00:22:06.320 should really care about, they were going to find about out about the people getting killed in car

00:22:10.320 crashes. They're going to find out about the families who couldn't afford rent anymore.

00:22:13.600 They're going to find out the people losing their jobs because they now have to compete

00:22:17.280 with this large migrant population. So yeah, we're, we will just go ahead and transition

00:22:22.000 into, into talking about Springfield. Cause I don't think we can separate honestly,

00:22:25.280 the Springfield discussion from what happened with Trump. But before we do that, guys,

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00:23:52.640 All right. So before we transition to Springfield, I want to ask you one more thing about this because

00:23:57.600 we could spend a lot of time speculating, but like I said, we are in this fog of war.

00:24:01.840 Information is still coming in. I'm sure we're going to find out a lot more about what was going on with

00:24:07.120 this guy. But obviously, a lot of people had a lot of questions when it came to the first shooter

00:24:14.000 in Pennsylvania and the coverage from the Secret Service. Obviously, this is a very difficult job,

00:24:19.440 but it seemed very obvious that there were major holes in the Secret Service's plan to protect Trump.

00:24:25.440 A lot of people speculating that some of those are intentional. Hard to pretend that there are very

00:24:29.920 serious questions surrounding that, especially with the amount of evasion we've seen from both the

00:24:34.800 FBI and the Secret Service. The fact that the DHS seems to have been trying to persuade the

00:24:40.720 Secret Service to not testify or come clean on all of the information involved also leads a lot of

00:24:46.000 people to have what I think are pretty reasonable theories about what's going on there. But now we

00:24:51.680 see a second failure, right? Now, this is a little different situation. Apparently, this guy was

00:24:56.400 waiting with, I believe, an SKS. At first, we were told it was an AK-47. I think the SKS is still firing

00:25:01.200 the 7.62x39. But either way, this is a military rifle. This is something that can do a lot of

00:25:06.400 damage. You know, this guy was waiting in the bush for Trump there. Secret Service agent did spot in

00:25:12.400 advance this time. And so, you know, Trump was not in any direct danger, did not come directly under

00:25:17.280 fire. But Ron DeSantis has come out after Eric Prince, you know, suggested this. Ron DeSantis came out

00:25:24.320 and said, we're doing our own investigation. We don't, you know, this happened in Florida. We have a lot

00:25:29.920 of questions. We're worried they're not going to get answered. Now, Eric Prince had suggested that

00:25:33.680 he basically tell everyone to turn around and he's going to handle it himself. I support that. I still

00:25:38.320 think that's the way that DeSantis should go, but I am glad to see he's at least saying that he's going

00:25:42.960 to set up a parallel investigation. And, you know, a lot of people are going to continue to ask this

00:25:48.880 question. Can the president of the United States or, you know, the prospective president of the United

00:25:53.440 States actually trust the protection of the Secret Service? Can they trust the ability of the FBI

00:25:59.280 and the DOJ to do their jobs, the DHS to do their jobs? Or is this a scenario where somebody like Ron

00:26:06.880 DeSantis has to step in and, you know, find the truth? Because ultimately we're dealing with a

00:26:13.680 situation where our core federal institutions are no longer trustworthy and it takes leadership

00:26:19.680 of GOP governors to actually get anything done. Well, I'm glad that DeSantis is stepping in. There's

00:26:26.160 no downside of that to me. In fact, it's all upside in many ways. And I think getting somebody who is

00:26:31.360 not attached to the federal apparatus to do whatever investigating he'll have the power to do,

00:26:36.400 and I think that's always obviously a little bit of an open question, is great. I am probably on the

00:26:43.840 very anti-conspiratorial side of the right. And I don't even mean that's conspiratorial as a

00:26:49.440 pejorative. I'm not criticizing people. I just, I happen to, you know, for a variety of reasons and

00:26:55.840 incentives, I think it's much easier to understand these sorts of things as gross incompetence that

00:27:01.200 people have an equal incentive to cover up, right? Like if you're completely incompetent,

00:27:06.560 you know, you don't want necessarily people knowing that about you. But I don't think,

00:27:12.000 I don't think, I mean, I'm sure there are people within the deep state who would be happy

00:27:17.440 to see Trump dead, but I don't think that they are going to go about that in such an obvious thing as

00:27:23.440 intentionally choosing not to cover them. That's just my personal view. But in some ways I find this

00:27:30.000 more disturbing because it's like they can't even do these sorts of important jobs even when they're

00:27:36.240 life or death issues and they're going to get huge negative publicity blowback. It's just like,

00:27:40.880 I just saw we just canceled some attack helicopter in the army that we were supposedly under development

00:27:46.400 for, you know, 20 years. And it's just, I think the increasing inability of our bureaucracy to,

00:27:53.520 you know, you see what's going on with NASA, similar thing. I mean, I don't think there's any grand

00:27:56.800 conspiracy where they're trying to make sure that we don't go to the moon. But they're just,

00:28:03.840 you know, the government has just become increasingly incompetent and you're seeing

00:28:10.240 the effects of that. And then you combine that with bad actors who are, of course, being egged on

00:28:16.000 by some of the rhetoric from Democratic politicians in the media. And you find out that we're in the

00:28:22.240 situation that we're in. So a lot of people have been blaming, obviously, Trump for what's happened

00:28:30.720 here. As we've already said, the media has sprung to this idea. Republicans are pouncing. That's

00:28:35.280 another, yes. They seem a little angry that we keep shooting at their presidential candidate. Can't

00:28:40.800 tell why. It's very, very strange of them to have this kind of approach. But one of the things that

00:28:46.800 they're pointing to is the events in Springfield, obviously. And as we said, you know, that there were

00:28:53.920 a number of reports. I mean, I remember when I was at NatCon, you know, we were both there. JD Vance

00:28:58.480 was already talking about Springfield in that speech before he had been named a presidential

00:29:03.600 candidate or a vice presidential candidate. You know, so this is something that he was pushing

00:29:08.560 well before it hit the media's radar. He already knew what was going on here. But the thing that really

00:29:14.720 lit this off, the thing that really got it to take flight was the social media posts citing,

00:29:20.240 you know, what was happening with pets. You know, there was the video that came from one of the

00:29:26.160 Twitter anons about, you know, with the city council and the older, elder woman saying,

00:29:29.920 I can't protect myself. There are these strange men who don't speak English, you know, just squatting

00:29:34.000 on my lawn. They're screaming at me. They're leaving trash in my lawn. I can't do anything about it. I

00:29:38.800 can't report it. Nobody will do anything. You know, I feel scared. And then people started looking at

00:29:43.680 the Facebook pages and things around reports started coming out. Now there's been mixed veracity about this.

00:29:49.440 You know, Christopher Ruffo has found evidence of similar situations, you know, just within 10

00:29:55.600 miles of the city. But the exact, you know, pets or geese or what has happened with animals in those

00:30:03.520 areas has been up in the air. But that has drawn attention to all the other problems that mass

00:30:09.200 immigration brings, particularly the replacement style immigration that is being used to displace the

00:30:14.880 population of Springfield, Ohio and many other cities, cities in Alabama. I mean, even the

00:30:20.080 governor of Ohio acknowledged that there were multiple other cities. You know, DeWine was listing

00:30:24.000 off other cities that were undergoing the same thing, even though he said, well, I'm not really

00:30:27.680 against it. It's fine. I just want money for it. Like I said, as long as you should be funding for

00:30:31.760 it, I don't care how many of my, my residents you get run over by unlicensed drivers. They don't

00:30:35.920 matter to me. As long as the federal money flows, that's, that's all that really matters. And we've seen

00:30:40.400 this take over and over again from the left, but obviously with this level of attention,

00:30:45.360 there are people do crazy things. People do stupid things. People have called in threats,

00:30:49.600 this kind of stuff. And they were trying to pin this kind of thing on JD Vance saying,

00:30:53.520 because you notice this problem, you cause this violence, but they of course can't, you know,

00:30:59.120 attach any of this to their own actions when it comes to Trump. Yeah, absolutely. And I think you

00:31:03.840 really hit on the key two key things actually. First is that what this is really all about is calling

00:31:08.720 attention in a very memorable way through these memes to what is going on in these communities

00:31:13.920 in a way that, you know, us complaining about a soup kitchen kind of being overrun is just not

00:31:18.720 sadly going to do. It should, but, but that's just the reality is that it, it didn't, this particular

00:31:23.760 thing came down. And I think JD Vance, again, who I think has a very good intuitive understanding of

00:31:30.240 this very early on was basically saying on X, we're going to double down on the cat memes and,

00:31:37.520 and, and he's completely right. And not only should we double down, we should triple down.

00:31:42.240 And for any of your listeners, if you have any kind of hesitation after tripling down, quadruple down,

00:31:50.240 because you need to get that away. And I say that not because we should ever spread things that we know

00:31:57.840 to be false. And in fact, JD Vance made it really clear that all he was doing was repeating things

00:32:03.600 that were being said by his constituents. But as you touched on earlier, with your own experience

00:32:07.680 as a reporter, we all know that there are some significant number of Haitian Americans who are

00:32:14.320 involved or in this case, not even really Americans. They're, they're here, you know,

00:32:17.920 under this quasi legal umbrella who practice this sort of stuff. And you know,

00:32:23.760 the Democrats saying, no, these are Congolese in Dayton, not Haitians in, in Springfield that are,

00:32:31.440 that are barbecuing cats is not really the compelling win that they think it is, because

00:32:37.120 then it immediately causes the question in a viewer's mind, well, what are Congolese people

00:32:42.320 doing in Springfield? How does that make America great, right? And that's the reason that ultimately,

00:32:47.440 this is an existential battle for both of us. And that's why I say, when you're having hesitation about

00:32:52.400 tripling down, quadruple down, right? And again, I'm not saying that to quadruple down on something

00:32:57.360 that nobody should be posting anything that we know to be false, but the kind of broader

00:33:02.400 kind of issue that the Democrats correctly feel they can't lose on is they have let middle America be

00:33:08.800 invaded by a group of people who do things that are on the net, net negative for the community,

00:33:15.360 short term and long term. There's no advantage to the US to have them here. And the Democrats have done

00:33:21.840 this very willfully so that they can have more vote banks, you know, in their pocket. And we need

00:33:27.280 to call them out on that. We need to say that they're damaging America in doing that. And we need

00:33:32.320 to not apologize even one bit, any bad thing, even if it's a bomb threat, even if some idiot who happens

00:33:38.880 to see some of this crazy stuff goes and, and shoot somebody that is all downstream of the person who has

00:33:44.800 caused the problem, the people who have caused the problem are the people who are allowing this invasion.

00:33:49.280 And the fact that there might be some idiot who gets really mad about that, you know,

00:33:53.840 we obviously condemn that, but that's not the person who created the problem. People who created

00:33:57.840 the problem are Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, and the rest of the Democratic Party.

00:34:02.720 Yeah, I can't believe I robbed, you know, this, this area of jobs and housing and, you know,

00:34:08.720 it is impossible for people to live here. But, you know, some people are about that. That's just so,

00:34:13.520 so, you know, but like you said, it's, you know, you, you needed to cry anything that is,

00:34:17.920 you know, this beyond the pale, but ultimately you need to understand that you can't be cowed

00:34:21.760 by this rhetoric. These people will use your goodwill against you. They will destroy you

00:34:27.280 and they will not hesitate as we can see with their treatment of Trump to continue to do the same thing.

00:34:32.260 They're going to keep calling him orange Hitler. They're going to keep saying he's Mussolini.

00:34:35.680 They're going to keep saying that he's going to destroy democracy. They don't care how many times he gets

00:34:39.840 shot out. They don't care how many Trump supporters are killed. They do not care about whether or not

00:34:44.160 this destroys your community. They don't care. They're going to keep pushing this agenda and you

00:34:48.400 can't sit there and watch them do that and say, well, but we're going to be, you know,

00:34:51.440 we're playing by Marcus of Queensberry rules. We're, we're the ones who are careful. We're the ones who

00:34:55.360 never, you know, who always hesitate. We're always on the back foot. We're always on the defensive.

00:34:59.600 You know, one of my favorite moments was, uh, yeah, they had the, the, the picture of a Haitian man

00:35:03.920 picking up a swan by the neck and, uh, you know, the, they, it turns out it was from a different

00:35:09.920 city, but it was still a Haitian man. And yeah, they were like, oh, it was a lie. It's a hoax.

00:35:13.440 Like, so your point is that Haitian men are doing this all over the country, not just in Springfield.

00:35:18.800 And that's your gotcha moment that that's where you're trying to hit us between the eyes.

00:35:22.320 Every day that we talk about the issue of the Democrats' traitorous immigration policy

00:35:27.600 is a day we're winning. And again, I mean, I'm, I want to stress, I'm not saying,

00:35:31.360 say things that we know to be false. We shouldn't, but, but we should, we should push them

00:35:36.720 every day on things that we know to be true or have reasonable belief that that could be true

00:35:42.000 that are going on. And, and, you know, we're now as again, JD Vance did a great interview about this.

00:35:46.080 He said, you guys are finally talking about what's been done to this community in terms of jobs,

00:35:50.640 in terms of crime, in terms of homelessness and all these things and, and, and real estate becoming

00:35:56.240 completely unaffordable, um, that I've been trying to get you guys to pay attention

00:36:00.320 for, for, uh, years now. And if it took a bunch of cat memes to do that, well then great.

00:36:06.000 Uh, and that just needs to be our approach and we need to, to put on our big boy pants

00:36:10.800 and be ready because they are going to come after us. And as soon as anybody on our side,

00:36:15.120 or even anybody who could putatively be on our side does anything bad, they're going to double

00:36:19.760 down and we need to be, um, we need to be like a stone wall in response to that type of provocation

00:36:27.440 from them. We need to say, yep, no, we're, uh, you guys are still the bad guys here. We're not

00:36:31.520 letting you change the subject. So one thing that has been a real push, uh, point for the left is

00:36:38.720 this idea that migrants are economically invigorating. It's not, it's not a great replacement.

00:36:44.080 It's an economic invigoration. Uh, they're invigorating things by doing the jobs that you would do

00:36:49.440 or living in the houses you would live in, but it's an invigoration. It's, it's not a replacement.

00:36:55.520 So you're somebody who obviously wrote a great book about, um, you know, uh, the, uh, prominence

00:37:02.000 of anti-white discrimination across our country and at every level from, from, you know, public,

00:37:07.600 private corporations, government institutions, media apparatus, academia, uh, even churches just

00:37:14.160 across the board. And one of the things that you pointed out is that a large amount of the democratic

00:37:19.920 coalition is glued together by kind of this anti-white bigotry by, by what they can glean

00:37:25.440 from it, the, the, the identity politics, the hatred, they can create the money that they can

00:37:30.160 glean from it. This is a lot of what's driving them. And that became very apparent when it came

00:37:36.080 to Springfield because the re over and over then the rejoinder was two things. One, these people

00:37:40.880 aren't illegal because we said they aren't like there's, there's, there's, there's just this one

00:37:45.600 waved over them. And so magically they're legal immigrants. So it's fine because you know,

00:37:50.320 immigration is fine as long as it's legal. Even the Republican party has said that sadly,

00:37:54.560 but on top of that, they're just better people than the people of Springfield, Ohio. We saw this

00:37:59.920 over and over again. Oh, well, Springfield's got drug problems. Springfield's full of white trash.

00:38:04.400 Like they're, they're, they're a problem, you know? And so it's okay. If your community is overwritten,

00:38:09.600 it's okay. If your job's taken, it's okay. If you lose your homes, because ultimately we're just

00:38:13.680 importing a better class of people and that's fine. Yeah. That, that, that is exactly the

00:38:18.960 implicit. And at times, even when they're a little careless, the explicit message that we're getting

00:38:23.760 from the democratic party. And of course, again, and this is why I just want to talk about Springfield

00:38:28.880 six days a week and twice on Sunday, um, is, uh, so why is Springfield? I mean, again,

00:38:35.280 I don't want to do a huge dissertation. I'm not an expert on Springfield, Ohio, but, but if it's like

00:38:39.920 many of these other struggling communities, well, where did the manufacturing jobs go? Where did

00:38:44.000 everything else go? Did we ship them off, uh, to Mexico and to China, uh, under quote unquote,

00:38:49.520 free trade? Um, and so, um, you know, now that you, you've got, and these are of course exactly

00:38:55.760 the sorts of things that Trump talked about. So now you've got these jobs at very unattractive,

00:39:01.040 non-livable wages that exist. You've got people who've been robbed of their dignity,

00:39:06.320 and now you're kind of surprised these communities are struggling, right? It just, um,

00:39:10.560 it doesn't make a sense, but beyond that, I just feel, and by the way, one interesting thing,

00:39:14.240 and you have seen a little bit of this is it's not just, I mean, Springfield is not some

00:39:18.160 98% white town, even before the Haitians showed up. There are also a lot of, uh, you know,

00:39:23.040 African Americans who presumably have deep roots, uh, in the United States who, uh, have been in

00:39:29.040 Springfield. And in fact, a couple of them I saw, uh, complaining about the Haitians on videos that

00:39:33.680 got circulated. Um, but, but regardless, yes, there's the sense that these are white guys,

00:39:38.320 they're middle American and we don't like them. They're bad. Uh, they cling to their guns and

00:39:42.960 religion. Um, and, uh, we really would just like a better class of people. And I mean, I think the

00:39:48.560 rejoinder is two things, which is, you know, a from any empirical observation that we could give

00:39:54.080 either from looking at Haiti in the last 200 years or the overall kind of, um, tenor of Haitian

00:40:01.280 immigration elsewhere. Is there any reason to be super optimistic that Haitians are just going to be

00:40:06.480 a far better class of people than the Americans, uh, that we have? Of course, the answer to that is,

00:40:11.840 no, there's a reason why Dominican Republic next door on the same island, not let Haitians in. Um,

00:40:20.480 but even if we just farcically assume that that would be true somehow, at the end of the day,

00:40:25.680 the people in Springfield are our people. They are part of America's heritage. I'm sure many of

00:40:31.520 those people, uh, you know, have fought their ancestors in all of our wars going back to the

00:40:37.600 revolution and before their people whose ancestors helped build America. And we have a loyalty to them

00:40:44.000 that we don't have to some random Haitian, you know, I'm sorry. And I can, I even say this. I mean,

00:40:49.760 one thing I don't like as a Christian, you know, I started, I really tried not to kind of like attack the

00:40:54.720 Haitians per se, because I'm not actually mad at the Haitians. Like I understand why they and lots

00:41:00.640 of other people from very depressing countries, um, want to come to the U S and I, if I lived in

00:41:06.240 Haiti, I would want to be in America too. Absolutely. Right. So I'm not, I'm not angry

00:41:11.040 at them. I mean, sometimes I'm, you know, I'll, I'll use some of their ridiculous customs to say

00:41:15.360 these guys, maybe we shouldn't let them in, but the people I'm really angry at are the Democratic Party

00:41:21.600 who has betrayed heritage Americans of all colors, um, to let in these like really, really foreign

00:41:31.760 people for whom we're going to have to support them. And I just, loving my neighbor means as

00:41:36.800 Tucker Carlson would kind of say, I'm loving my actual neighbor, not my theoretical neighbor

00:41:41.760 who just might've shown up from Haiti or Afghanistan or wherever else.

00:41:45.680 Yeah. It was one of my favorite moments, uh, you know, uh, several prominent leftist Christians,

00:41:51.360 including, uh, Phil Fisher from, uh, from veggie tales. Yeah. Got on there and oh, well, you know,

00:41:56.880 what I'm seeing here is so gross, blah, blah, blah. I can't believe this. And it's like,

00:42:00.560 you're not fooling anybody. Like the P you don't care about the people who live in Springfield.

00:42:06.640 They are the actual neighbor. They are the actual people who live next to you. They're the people who are

00:42:11.600 supposed to be protected by the civil magistrate in your, in your country. And you do not care

00:42:18.400 about them. You just want a more fashionable person to care about. You just want to the people

00:42:23.920 that the New York times tell you are worthy of your actual love. Your Christianity is entirely

00:42:29.840 dependent on what the regime tells you is the best person to care about. So don't quote scripture at me

00:42:36.400 when you obviously don't care about the people that Jesus was directly referencing when he told

00:42:42.080 you to care about people. And on top of this, you know, oh, it's, it's racist. It's racist.

00:42:45.920 As you point out that I love the, oh, all this, all the, all this commenting and what happening in

00:42:50.480 Springfield is racist. When literally the most prominent guy who gave testimony about, you know,

00:42:56.960 geese B or, you know, birds being stolen, ducks being stolen from the park and eaten was a black man

00:43:03.040 speaking at a city council meeting in let let's say a very urban dialect. Yeah. This is not,

00:43:09.200 this is not some pasty dude from the middle of Ohio, you know, and he's like, no, I don't want to

00:43:14.240 live like this. I don't want people in my neighborhood who are doing this. I don't think

00:43:17.760 we should be subject to this, but yeah, it's, yeah, it's all about race, whatever.

00:43:21.520 Yeah, absolutely. And it definitely reminded me of, of Megan Basham's book shepherds for sale,

00:43:26.800 uh, that, that came around a little bit after our, our books came out, but, but a lot talking

00:43:31.760 about these regime evangelicals. And again, you know, if your pastor is trying to guilt you on

00:43:36.400 the Haitian question, I would suggest you find another church. And again, I'm not saying that

00:43:40.800 we don't need to reach out to folks. We shouldn't have compassion for folks, but our primary locus

00:43:46.400 of compassion starts with our family. It extends to our friends and extends to people in our community.

00:43:52.560 And that extends to our fellow Americans and people who would like to come here from some

00:43:58.320 random place, uh, in the world, um, should be, it's not that we don't think about them, but they

00:44:04.080 should be well outside those sort of central circles. So one of the huge things that, you know,

00:44:11.120 and I think there needs to be a lot more done on this, but it's already starting to build momentum

00:44:15.440 is the, uh, is the number of federal programs and, uh, non-government, uh, organizations involved

00:44:24.160 in creating these scenarios. It's not that the federal government is just, whoops, we ended up

00:44:29.520 with a bunch of Haitian people in Ohio. I actually saw a lot of people say, well, you know, they just

00:44:34.400 happened to have a lot of people show up there. Yeah. 20,000 people from the same country all just

00:44:40.000 magically appeared in the same place over the last few years. Yeah. I'm sure that's exactly what

00:44:45.360 happened. No, what's very clear. And what many residents have, have said explicitly is that a

00:44:50.880 lot of these people are showing up with basically blank checks from the government. They're getting

00:44:56.160 cards with enough money to, you know, rent out, uh, apartments, you know, force, you know, the

00:45:01.280 landlords are turning out local Springfield residents so they can increase the, the rent and

00:45:07.360 then rent them out to government, uh, underwritten, uh, migrants. And so it'd be like, oh, well, you know,

00:45:12.640 the Haitians are reinvigorating the economy. No, what's happening is a large amount of federal

00:45:17.200 funding is flowing through these people. And of course, a lot of the city managers suddenly get

00:45:22.880 on board, local politicians, even let's say GOP governors, you know, they're fine with all this,

00:45:28.400 as long as the money flows. And this is what happens when you have a managerial elite, right?

00:45:34.640 Elite that is not attached to the people, not attached to the folkways, not attached to the history,

00:45:39.280 not attached to the tradition, the legacy of the United States or the communities they're supposed

00:45:43.680 to serve. They only care about making the machine work and making it more efficient and more profitable.

00:45:49.200 So whoever does that, whatever group happens to be flown in to do that, that's all that matters at

00:45:54.160 the end of the day. Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, we're, we're subsidizing, as I wrote in my book,

00:45:59.040 we're subsidizing our own dispossession. I mean, and it's just, it's done in an opaque way. So you have

00:46:04.080 to have investigative journalists who kind of really go trace where all the money is coming

00:46:09.280 from. But we've got all these, these church related groups that are often implicated in

00:46:14.160 getting huge amounts of money to resettle these folks. You know, it's just a mess. And then you've

00:46:19.280 got to, and this again, touches on a lot of themes from your book in terms of the managerial elite,

00:46:24.000 and you've got guys like Governor DeWine of Ohio, who is nominally a Republican, but he's just awful.

00:46:29.600 He's awful on these issues. And he doesn't seemingly have any particular feelings of loyalty

00:46:37.360 toward actual Americans. And as long as the money is flowing, he's happy. And it's just,

00:46:44.720 it's a betrayal. And again, you know, we need to, Trump is, has driven a lot of these money

00:46:49.360 changers out of the temple. I think it's, it's one of the best things that he's done, part of that

00:46:55.200 intentionally and part of that, just because they were particularly repelled by his message. But

00:47:00.560 it's, it's still an ongoing process that we've, we've got just a lot of these, these America last

00:47:07.520 people who are still in positions of power in our party.

00:47:10.800 Yeah. Trump's spiky shoulders are not a, not, not a bug. They're a feature. That's, that's,

00:47:15.520 you know, the fact that he makes it very difficult for respectable people to, you know, to get on board

00:47:21.760 is actually a positive thing because the people who are respected by the current regime are actually

00:47:26.240 despicable. And you actually want them as far away from your movement as possible. Nikki Haley will,

00:47:31.680 you know, anyway, moving on. So we have a lot of questions from the people here. We should probably

00:47:38.240 get started with those. But before we do, Jeremy, where can people find your book and your other

00:47:42.320 excellent work? Sure. So my book, The Underprotected Class, which we referred to a couple of times,

00:47:47.040 you can get it on Amazon or wherever fine books are sold in your local community. And it's been

00:47:52.800 received really, really well. So that's been great. For the rest of my work, you can follow my

00:47:57.520 X slash Twitter stream at Real Jeremy Carl. And I also have a sub stack, a relatively newer one that

00:48:03.680 I'm getting going pretty well called The Course of Empire, jeremycarl.substack.com. And if you follow

00:48:09.760 all those places, you will see 97% of my work. Excellent. Yes. Anybody who hasn't read Jeremy's book,

00:48:16.720 most certainly should be doing so. Let's see over here. I'm sorry, I'm going to say this wrong,

00:48:23.440 but my money igloo. Anyway, he says, we need to be clear. It wasn't an AK. It was an SKS with an

00:48:31.440 extended magazine, the why the Secret Service FBI can't identify firearms. I'll never know. Yeah,

00:48:36.480 my, my, I mean, those are, they're both, I mean, the, the AK is the successor to the SKS. It's a,

00:48:42.960 they both have the same wooden furniture. I can understand why at a glance, the initial reports,

00:48:47.840 people would say AK type weapon. Uh, but yes, you are right that that is the correct designation,

00:48:52.800 uh, for the, the weapon that was used. Let's see here. Uh, we've got a creeper weirdo says,

00:48:59.200 it doesn't matter how many of your bones I break, honey. You may, you made me angry. That's, uh,

00:49:03.760 that beating was your fault. A rational response. Yes. That is very much the, uh, the attitude being

00:49:09.360 taken towards Trump and his supporters, even when a leftist kills them, uh, which is a horrible

00:49:13.760 thing. Uh, let's see here. Uh, Balthazar says Trump wishes that the Virgin, uh, or Trump wishes

00:49:19.760 the Virgin Mary happy birthday. Uh, then the second attempt, uh, happens on the September 15th,

00:49:25.440 the feast day of our Lady Mary of sorrow. Hmm. Coincidence. Uh, I don't know. Could it be the

00:49:31.760 pushback against, uh, Christianization of Donald Trump? Who knows? I'm Protestant. So I'll say it's a

00:49:37.040 coincidence. That's right. We're, we're required to. I'm going to get a bunch of

00:49:41.520 Catholic hate mail. I love, I love my trad cat friends. I'm not trying to hate. I just.

00:49:45.600 Reject your potpourri. Yeah. Uh, has anyone said let them eat cats? Yes. Yes. I've seen the

00:49:52.160 memes of, uh, Kamala's as, uh, Marie Antoinette doing the let them eat cats there. They are quite good.

00:49:58.560 Uh, let's see here. Uh, torn McCabe says, uh, from the left's perspective, is there a real difference

00:50:04.800 between the political violence of fighting Putin in Ukraine and fighting Trump in the United States?

00:50:10.000 Uh, yeah. Dave Raboy has that, uh, great quote, uh, where, you know, the, the left has, doesn't have,

00:50:16.880 uh, foreign enemies. They have foreign, uh, foes that remind them of their domestic enemies.

00:50:21.920 And that's, that's exactly it. Yeah. You are an extension or more important. Putin is an extension

00:50:27.520 of you. Putin is a red state American sitting somewhere in the middle of, uh, Eastern Europe,

00:50:32.640 causing trouble. That's how they see it. Yeah. Uh, I couldn't agree more.

00:50:38.240 Uh, let's see here. Retardary Oswald says DEIP state will try again. Very well done. Uh,

00:50:45.920 Trump ought to hire Eric Prince or someone to run a legit counter intelligence operation,

00:50:50.960 treat the feds as hostile and no different from Iran or Russia. I think that no matter, you know,

00:50:57.680 as Jeremy pointed out, he's, he's less on the conspiracy side. I do understand. And I

00:51:02.400 agree that most of the time incompetence is, is probably your first stop on that train,

00:51:07.040 though. I think, uh, we're, we're, we're slowly building enough momentum to, to speculate on, uh,

00:51:12.720 malice as opposed to incompetence alone. Uh, that said, I think the point ultimately, um,

00:51:19.120 is that the, these federal bureaucracies, these federal in, uh, in, in, um, institutions

00:51:25.840 are clearly corrupt. They are clearly politically motivated as Ron DeSantis himself pointed out the

00:51:31.520 very, the very same people who are trying to run Trump, you know, out of this election through

00:51:37.280 manufactured, you know, spurious charges are also going to be people who will investigate the

00:51:42.000 criminal attacks against him. Obviously the conflict of interest is there. And you can see

00:51:47.120 from just the basic, uh, way that these, uh, intelligence and, and other, uh, police forces

00:51:52.160 are operating that they haven't helped for Trump from the very beginning. Yeah, absolutely. And

00:51:56.720 when I say I'm not a conspiracy theorist or inclined in that direction, I mean, clearly though, the FBI,

00:52:02.240 CIA, et cetera, these are very, very corrupt at the top of, uh, the, the kind of decision-making

00:52:08.160 echelon clearly we need to go in there and in a million other places in government and totally clean

00:52:13.520 house. They are bad actors. Uh, they will, uh, stop at very, very few things to keep Trump out of

00:52:21.040 power. I'm just not sure that the best way they operate is by getting like weird 20 year olds or

00:52:26.800 58 year olds, uh, you know, who have weird Ukraine obsessions, um, to kind of be the instruments of

00:52:34.880 their, uh, uh, you know, revenge. I think if, if any of those guys ever did, God forbid, get directly

00:52:41.920 involved, it w it would sadly be a much more professional, uh, type of operation probably.

00:52:46.640 I mean, there's, there's a scenario where, you know, you, you, you whip things up over and over

00:52:51.680 again, and then you just leave the gate open. And if, and if, and if the dog that you've been

00:52:55.760 beating for a very long time happens to run out of the yard and maul the neighbor, you don't like, well,

00:53:02.880 what could you do? Right. The gate was an accident. The gate was left open. This was not your intention.

00:53:07.760 Then, and I think that's probably the most likely scenario. No, no direct, you know, that you didn't,

00:53:13.600 you didn't, you won't find anyone yelling the orders of the dog to maul you, but you will find

00:53:18.240 an open gate in a dog that was prepared for exactly that kind of scenario. Yeah.

00:53:23.040 Uh, let's see here. We have, uh, from Paladin YYZ without going neck deep into history or

00:53:28.320 researching the great thinkers of the past to understand the regime. Have you ever just

00:53:31.760 suggested doing nudity, simply watch Piers Morgan as a model for insight into oligarchic insanity?

00:53:38.000 Yeah. It's one of those scenarios where I haven't watched Piers Morgan in a very long time.

00:53:42.080 Uh, like every once in a while, he be clowns himself. I see him then. Uh, but it's not really

00:53:47.120 someone that I, I, I watch a regular basis, but I would assume that yes, he's probably a reasonable,

00:53:53.120 uh, uh, avatar for kind of everything that the regime is trying to push out.

00:53:59.760 Yeah. And, and I mean, I've, through various things in my previous careers, I've actually ended up

00:54:04.960 working with a number of folks kind of at the top of the, the totem pole, uh, for lack of a better

00:54:11.840 term in terms of, uh, our ruling regime. And, um, you know, some of them are actually sort of normal

00:54:18.480 people for whom I just have a strong disagreement with, but a lot of them are real sociopaths and

00:54:24.160 they just are, they're not like you and me. I mean, I hate to say that cause it sounds

00:54:27.120 right. But they really are. I mean, the sorts of people who choose to be in Washington and running

00:54:33.520 the sorts of things that, and the sorts of things they need to do to stay on top are not the sort of

00:54:38.240 people who are like normal people hanging out in Florida or Montana or wherever else you are,

00:54:43.440 just kind of living their lives, even if we have interest in these issues. And it's, it's funny

00:54:48.480 because sometimes they'll, they'll argue with you and they will accuse you of having all these

00:54:52.160 motivations and they're sort of telling on themselves because you would never even think

00:54:56.320 of having that type of motivation, usually kind of for self-promotion in some way, but you're like,

00:55:01.520 oh, okay, well, I guess you could think that somebody could have that type of motivation.

00:55:05.600 That's sort of an interesting commentary on you. So you hang out with these guys enough. And again,

00:55:10.240 I've hung out with some pretty, pretty senior people over the years, uh, in our kind of uniparty

00:55:15.520 regime and eventually they kind of tend to tell on themselves. George, uh, Hey Duke says,

00:55:22.080 should an attack succeed or he ends on a second term? What is the plan after Trump? There needs

00:55:27.520 to be a vision for a future past this single man. Yeah, obviously, um, this is one of the

00:55:34.320 considerations I think that was really involved in the selection of Vance. Uh, I, my, I don't know

00:55:40.640 anything for sure, but my instinct would be that Vance was not the, the pick before the assassination

00:55:46.400 attempt. Um, or, or, or rather at least he got reshuffled into a higher spot after that,

00:55:52.480 the recognition that you, you know, you can't just slide up a Marco Rubio in there. Like you,

00:55:57.360 you need somebody that a is like insurance, you know, Hey, you take Trump out. There's a guy who's

00:56:02.800 got the same ideology right behind him. This doesn't just go away. I think was, was, was a big reason that

00:56:08.800 he got selected. Obviously you also have Ron DeSantis, who would have been the heir apparent

00:56:13.760 had he and Trump not tussled in the primary. I think DeSantis is an incredibly gifted politician

00:56:21.680 and more importantly, an incredibly gifted governor and executive, probably more, far more gifted in

00:56:26.080 the actual execution of the office than the political aspect of the office. Uh, but he obviously

00:56:31.520 has a bright future. I don't know if it will be Vance directly after Trump or if it will, uh,

00:56:37.600 will go to someone like DeSantis, but the nice to have that problem, right? Nice, nice for once for

00:56:42.480 the Republicans to have, you know, it's, it's not, it's not an embarrassment of riches, but at least

00:56:46.240 a couple of options that aren't a complete embarrassment. Yeah, absolutely. And I, I certainly

00:56:50.640 agree that there needs to be a vision beyond Trump. And that was one of the reasons why I and several

00:56:56.320 others, uh, were just so excited about the Vance pick. Um, and Vance was very, very, um, you know,

00:57:04.080 sort of, uh, he's very familiar with our world. Let's just put it that way. And by our, I don't

00:57:08.480 mean just like conservative ink, but some of the guys who are really pushing like we do at the

00:57:13.280 Claremont Institute for some new approaches. I mean, his senior staff were all Claremont alums.

00:57:18.320 Um, so, uh, I think he's very exciting. And, and in fact, even with my very high expectations going in,

00:57:25.360 I've been delighted. And I think other people have been surprised by just how good he's been on his feet

00:57:29.280 in going after the fake regime media. And I think he would be a great substitute, uh, or not

00:57:35.200 substitute a great, uh, successor for Trump. Um, and as you point out though, we also have

00:57:39.760 DeSantis out there who has a phenomenal record of his own. And so going into 2028, who knows what

00:57:45.600 that's going to look like, but having at least a couple options that I think everybody should be,

00:57:51.120 um, at least pretty excited about, or, or could get excited about, uh, that is an embarrassment of

00:57:56.160 riches compared to where we've been in the past. So that's great.

00:58:00.400 Exactly. Uh, let's see here all the way, uh, or a city all the way says the problem with the

00:58:05.760 Haitian crisis is that many people seem not to understand what outliers are. I sort of

00:58:10.640 illustrate this crisis to my family and they showed me examples of rich Haitians as a counterpoint.

00:58:15.760 Yeah. You're always going to run into this problem. I hate to break it to you guys,

00:58:18.160 but the vast majority of your debates, uh, with pretty much anyone in real life are going to be,

00:58:22.880 well, the average, you know, woman is like, you know, five, four, well, I'm five, eight, like,

00:58:27.680 well, yes, but the average, but I'm, uh, you know, this is the, it's very hard for people to

00:58:33.600 understand abstract statistics. And by the way, you should understand this is not a problem.

00:58:38.160 This is just a feature of humanity. And so one of the issues that we have is that a lot of people think

00:58:43.840 that the left won through facts and logic, right? Like they, they believe that the left had the science

00:58:48.960 on their side, they had the intellectual arguments on the side, and that's why they're in their

00:58:52.800 position. They are today. No, the left got really good appealing to your emotions. They got really

00:58:57.600 good at manipulating voter blocks, using identity, using classic parts of political, of a political

00:59:04.000 machines that have been around for a very long time. They were in touch with human nature and reality.

00:59:08.640 And then the right, we're just like, but they have like professors on their side. So that's why we're losing.

00:59:12.960 And so the right came around and it's like, well, now we have statistics and we went, no,

00:59:16.720 you still lost. Why? Cause you never understand what politics is. Politics is never a discussion

00:59:22.480 about facts. You're not just trading, you know, papers and graphs and regressions until you finally

00:59:28.400 get to the heart of the issue. That's never what a political campaign is. Yeah. I couldn't agree more.

00:59:34.400 And I mean, I say that as a person who purveys facts a lot of the time for my job, but I'm doing it

00:59:39.760 for a very understanding, a very limited set of people who I think are convincible, or even if

00:59:46.080 they're not convincible, they're people who kind of already agree with me, but I'm arming them with

00:59:50.800 the ammunition to, uh, to kind of go after the other side with, but yes, I mean, these things.

00:59:56.480 Yeah. Although I, I will kind of no doubt, I believe the richest person in Haiti is actually

01:00:00.320 Lebanese. Um, so, uh, yeah, I mean, but yes, of course, I mean, and this is a reason why, again,

01:00:06.560 I don't like to attack the Haitians or any other group personally, they're always even among these

01:00:11.440 folks, none of whom I want to be clear, I think should be here, but of course they're going to

01:00:15.120 be good people. And of course they're going to be people who are going to be smart and work hard

01:00:18.960 and ultimately add to the U S but that is a totally different question than whether in the aggregate,

01:00:25.040 having that group here, uh, you know, in mass immigration is beneficial for America. And that's

01:00:31.120 the only thing that I care about at the end of the day. Yeah. I mean, Pat Buchanan was pretty clear

01:00:35.360 about this. He said, look, you can take any one person and make them an American,

01:00:39.600 but what that takes is generations of assimilation. They have to be deep into the culture. They have to

01:00:45.280 be here for a very long time to absorb that, but that's never going to happen when you're bringing

01:00:52.160 vast amounts of people from the same culture, putting them in the same place. Like that's just

01:00:56.240 not how any of this works. You have to be really just completely disconnected from rationality to

01:01:02.000 believe that's something that actually happens. It's been a disaster for every country that it's

01:01:06.720 done, has done it. And it's not going to be any different here. Paladin YYZ. Thanks for that

01:01:12.480 donation. Uh, but I just don't understand almost any part of that super chat. Uh, so I'm, I'm,

01:01:18.400 I appreciate it, but I just don't, I was trying to read it ahead of time and I, I'm not sure where

01:01:23.040 that's going. I don't, you know, so thank you, but I don't really know how to answer any of that one.

01:01:28.000 Uh, let's see here is one of these very high end philosophers who people smarter than me, uh,

01:01:33.920 evidently, including, uh, our, your super chat guy worry a lot about, but, uh, okay. Yeah. I've,

01:01:39.040 I've never heard of him before and I don't know. I, I just don't have the context necessary for

01:01:44.480 answer that one. Uh, Jacobs and Dell says been laughing at Christians praying for Trump. Now,

01:01:49.680 space time appears to be bending around, uh, his person as bullets swerve by and mockery feels less,

01:01:55.440 less, uh, less like rationality and more like cognitive dissidents. Um, you know, uh,

01:02:02.080 again, you see that picture of Trump blood streaming, uh, down his face, you know,

01:02:06.240 after he slightly turned his head, just like an inch or two to look at a graph about immigration

01:02:12.320 mandate of heaven kind of rolls off the lips there, but I'll let people make their own conclusions there,

01:02:17.040 I suppose. Uh, and then Florida Henry says, uh, what area in Ohio, uh, was world leader in producing

01:02:25.360 small? Oh, that area in Ohio was a world leader in producing small machinery. Then Reagan was elected.

01:02:31.440 And then, well, you know, uh, yeah, I mean, I don't know much about the history of that particular,

01:02:36.880 uh, you know, industry, uh, industrial area. So I don't know if that was in direct response to any,

01:02:42.240 uh, policies in the eighties, these kinds of things. I do know a lot of people, uh, you know,

01:02:46.640 are not happy with some of Reagan's policies when it came to D possible de-industrialization,

01:02:51.760 but it is certainly true that many parts of the Rust Belt, that's why it's called this, you know,

01:02:55.760 end up in this scenario. Uh, and so that's why so many people have pointed to these towns saying,

01:03:00.800 oh, well, it's about the economic invigoration. It's about the economic invigoration. It's like,

01:03:04.480 okay, well, why don't you just hand a magical card to every person who lives in Springfield,

01:03:08.480 Ohio, that's got like 20 grand for them to pay rent with. Maybe they can, they can economically

01:03:14.000 invigorate the town, but why don't we try that first? Yeah. I know we're not big on handouts,

01:03:19.200 but if we're gonna hand the money out anyway, then why not give it to the people who actually

01:03:22.800 live there rather than trying to import a bunch of people there and subsidize them instead.

01:03:26.480 Yeah. Couldn't agree more, you know, and people say, well, there's troubles, there's drugs,

01:03:31.920 you know, so let's address, let's address all that, you know, but these are, at the end of the day,

01:03:35.920 they're my fellow Americans and the Haitians aren't just end of story.

01:03:40.240 And I hate to bring it to you guys, but this is not an economic zone. It's not about

01:03:43.840 who can drive the most GDP. The purpose of the government is actually to be there to increase

01:03:49.360 the human flourishing of the people that it's overseeing, not the people that it wants to import.

01:03:54.320 And by the way, I think intuitively, and this is, you know, kind of the reason that I say we just need

01:03:58.640 to double down and triple down and quadruple down. I think the vast majority of conservatives kind of

01:04:03.520 intuitively understand what we just said. But I think the substantial majority of folks

01:04:09.040 in the middle kind of understand that too, intuitively. And that's why the left doesn't

01:04:14.080 want to have this conversation. They don't want to talk about what's going on in these communities,

01:04:18.560 and that's why we should be talking about it. Absolutely. Yeah. Like I said,

01:04:21.840 the minute, you know, and you said, the minute I saw the story, I knew that no matter what the

01:04:27.120 individual, you know, scenarios happen to shake out as, you know, this would be a huge thing.

01:04:32.880 And by the way, guys, it looks like Donald Trump has announced a lot in the within while the show

01:04:37.680 has been live that he's going to be doing an X space tonight. He's going to be on Twitter doing

01:04:42.640 a space tonight. So from Mar-a-Lago, I'm sure that's going to crash as every one of these massive

01:04:49.920 spaces has been, but that should definitely be interesting. It looks like Trump is taking that

01:04:54.000 narrative into his hands, which is good. That's exactly what he needs to be doing. He needs to be

01:04:57.920 circumventing the media. He needs to be even circumventing many of these federal agencies

01:05:02.640 and getting the story directly to the people, rather than waiting for the FBI to lie to Congress

01:05:08.240 about it or the MSNBC to say it's all his fault. That's exactly the kind of thing he should be doing.

01:05:13.120 So I'm glad he's taking the reins there. All right, guys. Well, we're going to go ahead and

01:05:16.960 wrap this up. Always a pleasure talking to Jeremy Carl. You should, of course, be reading his book and

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - September 16, 2024

Media ATTACKS Trump for Surviving Second Assassin ｜ Guest： Jeremy Carl ｜ 9⧸16⧸24

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