The Auron MacIntyre Show - September 24, 2025


More Left-Wing Terror as Jimmy Kimmel Returns ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 9⧸24⧸35


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 8 minutes

Words per Minute

178.14514

Word Count

12,159

Sentence Count

807

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

14


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.500 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great
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00:00:25.580 blazetv.com slash Oren. All right, guys, I was just talking with my co-host today about why it
00:00:35.940 would be great to just have one slow news day. But unfortunately, we have to inform you that it
00:00:41.600 has been zero days since a leftist terrorist attack. This time it was on an ice facility in Dallas,
00:00:49.180 Texas. We are getting reports that it was a shooter firing off of a roof. He was, it appears
00:00:57.520 to be trying to fire into a blacked out van, ended up shooting in and wounding several people,
00:01:05.280 including killing one of the detainees. It would seem that no ice agents themselves were actually
00:01:11.060 hit in the process of this and the shooter ended up shooting himself at the end of this terrorist
00:01:17.140 attack. This of course comes after Jimmy Kimmel returned to television yesterday and did not
00:01:23.640 apologize, refused to apologize for what he said about Charlie Kirk, covered up the motives of the
00:01:29.960 people who assassinated him, running cover for people like our new shooter today on the ice facility.
00:01:36.940 We've also seen multiple other leftists trying to spread misinformation about the shooter in the
00:01:43.000 hopes of distorting the worldview of those who are consuming their content. A huge problem as
00:01:49.340 the left increasingly believes a just completely distorted narrative about reality and what is
00:01:56.540 going on around them. But joining me to discuss this today is Jay Burton. Thanks for coming on, man.
00:02:02.500 Yeah, Aaron, thank you so much for having me on. Obviously, this is horrible. Thankfully,
00:02:08.700 no agents were hurt, but it is incredibly disturbing to see the trends that you and I have analyzed and,
00:02:15.800 to be honest, pointed to for years at this point of increasing radicalism from the left,
00:02:20.260 of an increasing level of comfort with using violence to achieve political ends. Well, sadly,
00:02:25.600 that has borne fruit. Sadly, the sort of years of radio Rwanda style dehumanization of their
00:02:33.440 political opponents has produced a predictable result, which is insane leftist terrorist violence.
00:02:40.400 And this is not something that we need to or ought to countenance. Thankfully, it seems as if this man
00:02:47.140 is not in a position to continue his actions. Obviously, we don't 100% know who did it or why,
00:02:54.580 but we can guess based off of what information we do have. But as we've seen, as you said earlier,
00:03:00.940 this is not simply one or two strange one-offs. This is a emergent pattern of deadly leftist
00:03:08.700 violence. And unless it's addressed, it will continue. It is the logical conclusion of the
00:03:14.320 arguments we've heard coming from that side of politics for well over a decade now. Sorry to say.
00:03:21.140 I think all of that's correct. And of course, we're going to need to dive deeper into the evidence
00:03:25.020 here, the leftist reaction, how Jimmy Kimmel plays into all this, even story about YouTube finally
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00:04:40.120 Kash Patel here. His statement, he says,
00:04:41.960 This morning, just before 7 a.m. local time, an individual fired multiple rounds at a Dallas,
00:04:47.100 Texas ICE facility, killing one and wounding several others before taking his own life.
00:04:51.760 FBI, DHS, ATF are on the ground with Dallas PD and state authorities. While the investigation is
00:04:57.280 ongoing, an initial review of the evidence shows an ideological motive behind this attack. See the
00:05:02.320 photo below. And if you go there, you can see what seems to be some kind of stripper clip.
00:05:06.640 One of the bullets has anti-ice written on it. One of the unspent shell casings recovered has an
00:05:14.800 engraving with the phrase anti-ice. More updates are withcoming. These despicable political motivated
00:05:20.340 attacks against law enforcement are not a one-off. We are only miles from Perryland, Texas, where just
00:05:27.220 two months ago, an individual ambushed a separate ICE facility targeting their officers. It has to end,
00:05:33.440 and the FBI and our partners will lead these investigation efforts to see it that those
00:05:39.280 who target our law enforcement officers are pursued and brought to the fullest extent of justice.
00:05:46.180 So, again, no actual ICE agents killed, but mainly it seems due to the incompetence of the shooter
00:05:54.360 firing into a van, he couldn't identify the actual people inside. So he didn't know which of the people
00:06:01.760 inside he was actually hitting. Perhaps he just thought it was full of ICE agents coming back from
00:06:05.460 a raid or something. Didn't know who would be in there, but he managed to only hit detainees. And
00:06:10.360 while some of them may have been hardened criminals, we just don't know. Obviously, they did not deserve
00:06:15.460 random bullets from a guy who was trying to murder people. So while we're glad that obviously the
00:06:20.680 officers are safe, still horrific loss of life and wounding done by radical leftist terrorists.
00:06:27.280 And as Kash Patel says here, most people probably don't know what's been going on with ICE. And we'll
00:06:34.920 get into this more in a second, but the left has built a very impressive apparatus to limit the amount
00:06:40.740 of information that people in their audience receive. This isn't just your echo chamber that we talked
00:06:46.680 about 10 years ago when people were complaining about college campus feuds. This is a full-on lockdown
00:06:54.400 of all information, misinformation campaigns, starting from the very beginning of every major
00:06:59.020 event, trying to distort what's going on. That's why Jimmy Kimmel was so important because he lied
00:07:03.200 about Charlie Kirk's killer. He didn't get any real punishment for it. He got away with it.
00:07:08.920 He's back on the air and leftists are taking a piece out of his playbook. I don't think even many
00:07:14.120 right-wingers knew ultimately the amount of violence that was being leveled at ICE officers.
00:07:19.300 Why people like Gavin Newsom pushing for the removal of ICE officers' masks is actually a
00:07:27.180 direct threat to their lives. They just didn't grasp the degree of violence that was already being
00:07:31.920 aimed at ICE officers. And now we see a full-on attack on these people, including a fatality and
00:07:40.260 multiple wounding.
00:07:41.460 Yeah, I think it's important to bring up. This is the logical conclusion of the last 15 years of
00:07:50.520 increasing violence, both in action and in political rhetoric. Obviously, we're not quite
00:07:55.840 at the high watermark of left-wing violence that was the late 60s, where there were dozens of bombings
00:08:02.140 every day across the country. But still, in the immediate, the last 10 years, if we look at that
00:08:07.360 trend line, it's headed in a worrying direction. Obviously, throughout the entire first Trump
00:08:12.680 presidency, the summer of love, and now the second, there has been a baseline level of leftist
00:08:18.700 violence. This should not be the case. It simply is. But what we've seen is the incredibly histrionic
00:08:26.620 reaction to Trump's basic border sensibilities, which is saying that illegal immigration is in
00:08:33.460 fact illegal, has been to turn that up to 11. To say again that this is, as Rashida Tlaib said,
00:08:40.440 this is a fascist coup. And we know that fascism, that Nazis, are the ultimate evil. And while the
00:08:48.240 logic, the conclusion of going from first we punch a Nazi, as we learned in 2016, to well, if they're
00:08:54.680 taking over the country, surely shooting them is justified, that's not a huge leap to make. And we're
00:09:00.400 seeing that there are many people across the political left who are picking up on those signals.
00:09:05.800 Because as much of a tragedy as any one killing is, these are not random scattered events. They're
00:09:11.540 politically motivated terrorist activity. I'm not saying that there's some wide web connecting all
00:09:17.520 these activists together, but they are picking up on the same signal from left-wing cultural elites.
00:09:23.420 People like Kimmel, who for years have produced a sort of Radio Rwanda stream of insane libel,
00:09:31.080 of slander about their political opponents, painting them as unredeemably evil and worthy of punishment.
00:09:39.360 And you've seen this even in the reaction to the tragic slaying of Charlie Kirk. While certainly,
00:09:44.420 you know, the biggest, the most popular figures, at least in some sense, condemned it,
00:09:48.640 the reaction from many progressives on the ground has been to sort of justify it, say, well,
00:09:54.220 he was a bad guy, or he was making people angry, effectively providing moral cover for this type
00:10:00.400 of action. And so clearly, if you have a motivation, a moral justification, there are some people,
00:10:07.320 maybe on the fringes, who are going to take you up on that deal. And unless those incentives are
00:10:11.760 corrected, unless the punishment is severe, this will continue. I don't say that because I'm happy
00:10:18.060 that it will continue. I am simply looking at the state of politics as it is, and making a very
00:10:23.600 reasonable projection. And these are, these are things are, and you and I were saying in the two
00:10:29.120 weeks preceding, after the slaying of Charlie Kirk, that this is likely to continue. And it looks like
00:10:34.180 we didn't even have to wait a month to be proven correct. But I'll throw it back to you.
00:10:38.540 No, it's exactly what both of us foresaw. I think anyone who isn't completely,
00:10:45.000 you know, ideologically possessed by some desperate need to stay within whatever norms they think have
00:10:52.820 been preached to them by the system can see pretty quickly where this was going. Obviously, we had
00:10:58.940 leftists spinning out of control. As you said, a few of them had the self-discipline, even for a day or
00:11:04.100 two to denounce the shooting. But pretty much at this point, all of them have come back and said,
00:11:08.900 well, actually, maybe Charlie Kirk was a fascist. Maybe he really was a terrible person. Maybe he
00:11:14.380 really did, you know, deserve this. You shouldn't do it. You shouldn't do it. But, you know, we get,
00:11:18.660 we get why you might do it. You know, if someone could just, you know, rid me of this meddlesome
00:11:23.980 priest, you know, very much that mentality on the left over and over. And as soon as I saw guys like
00:11:31.340 the Cranstonsteins coming out and pledging their allegiance to Antifa, I knew where this is going.
00:11:36.480 I know that this was going to spiral out of control. I even made a video saying, look, guys,
00:11:40.500 we're on the other side of the Rubicon. Okay. There's a time where people would have known at
00:11:44.940 the very least to just keep their mouths shut, right? Like, just keep your mouth shut. We lost
00:11:49.420 this news cycle. You know, David Stributus was talking about this on his stream recently. We lost the
00:11:54.720 news cycle. Just sit this one out. You know, we'll, we'll, we'll come back a couple of weeks
00:11:58.940 after basically what they did with when Trump was shot, right? They knew there's just no,
00:12:03.660 you had a few guys like the tenacious D guys who just couldn't keep their mouths shut.
00:12:07.020 But for the most part, like they knew that, okay, we should, we, there, there's just nothing.
00:12:11.320 Even if we're total cynical political actors, the best move in that Machiavellian sense is to get,
00:12:18.300 just keep our mouth shut. There's no winning this news cycle. So just wait for the news to wash over
00:12:24.080 people. And then we'll go back to yelling and calling everyone a fascist in a few weeks,
00:12:28.120 which is exactly what they did. But this time they didn't even tap the brakes. And you can see
00:12:32.480 this, you know, here's a Cranstonstein says, uh, who writes anti-ice on a bullet just before
00:12:38.820 shooting three immigrants and being detained by ice. Suddenly those who never trust the FBI are
00:12:43.920 suddenly convinced by this. So again, we're just immediately introducing conspiracy theories into
00:12:48.500 it. No, uh, you know, there's no way that anyone would write their motives on a bullet, except of
00:12:54.160 course, the guy who shot Charlie Kirk, uh, the person who just shot up an entire, uh, uh, school
00:13:00.480 worth of Catholic children at mass, uh, actually writing your messages on your magazines and your
00:13:06.120 rifle and your bullet are a big part of this like trans Antifa shooter culture. Now we don't know
00:13:11.340 if this guy was a troon or a troon chaser. Uh, but I, I, I bet you, but it's going to be one of the
00:13:17.600 two either way. We don't know for sure. Uh, we don't know if he was officially affiliated with
00:13:22.040 Antifa, but the pattern of how these shootings work, how they, you know, kind of write their
00:13:28.040 mission onto their bullets has been seen over and over again. So Cranstonstein is just lying
00:13:34.120 directly to his audience and hopes that they will believe the narrative that this is in no way a
00:13:38.680 leftist. We see the same thing here with, uh, Aaron Rubar, who usually spends all his time just
00:13:44.720 posting Trump's best clips, uh, and pretending like they were bad. But today says, uh, this is the
00:13:49.880 officious, uh, shit I have seen. They're supposed to believe that the shooter wrote anti-ice and pin
00:13:55.060 on a bullet and then shot the detainees, but not a nice officer. Again, uh, ignoring the fact that
00:14:01.080 this is a pattern of display, a pattern of, uh, kind of a ritual, uh, before you commit one of these
00:14:07.880 shootings to etch your, uh, ideology onto the weapon or onto the shells. Like we haven't seen this
00:14:13.700 multiple time from leftist terrorists. Also, yes, it turned out that only the detainees ended up getting hit,
00:14:19.880 however, again, I believe they were shooting into a blacked out van. So he did not know who he was
00:14:25.420 shooting. And also surprise, surprise, idiot leftist, not the best shot, not the best at,
00:14:30.820 you know, identifying the target he's trying to hit kind of probably why he blew himself away at
00:14:36.640 the end. I'd imagine he shot a couple of immigrants realized he didn't get any ice agents and then
00:14:41.280 decided maybe the best way out of this was immediate. So yeah, not exactly, uh, some amazing
00:14:47.060 conspiracy theory and guys, by the way, I know a lot of people have been spinning conspiracy theories
00:14:51.840 with, uh, Charlie Kirk and his assassination. And they got angry because I pushed back against
00:14:58.240 them, but this is why it's a problem. This is why it's a problem. Cause you're aiding the left in
00:15:02.880 this. You're letting the left off the hook. Oh, it was Israel. Look, you don't have to like Israel.
00:15:07.460 You can even believe that Israel would shoot a foreign official. That's not exactly a crazy belief,
00:15:13.280 but believing they shot Charlie Kirk and putting the onus on them helps to feed into guys like
00:15:20.100 Aaron Ruppart going out there and saying, Oh no, it's all, it's all conspiracy. Every one of these
00:15:24.900 shootings, we don't know anything. Everything's in question. Every bullet is a magic bullet. Every
00:15:30.040 shot is an impossible shot. Uh, this, this culture of going in and immediately trying to spin the obvious
00:15:37.280 motives here is only aiding in the left's ability to push this Jimmy Kimmel strategy. This strategy
00:15:43.260 of running forward, lying to their own audiences, distorting reality before any real reporting and
00:15:49.180 get on the ground. And by the time any real facts are known, all the leftists assume they already know
00:15:55.000 everything they need to know about the crime. They move on. They never hear the actual truth.
00:16:01.380 Well, and that's very much the advantage of power, right? When we talk about being in charge,
00:16:08.320 when we talk about the deep state, that that sort of institutional control lets them escape the
00:16:14.620 consequences of their actions. When we, we talk about Jimmy Kimmel, it's important to compare and
00:16:21.100 contrast what happened there to what happened to Alex Jones. Uh, look, I think Alex Jones is really
00:16:26.380 funny. I don't actually listen to him really on anything at all, but it's important to say that he
00:16:31.860 judging by the, the kind of, you know, most reasonable take made the same mistake. If we
00:16:38.200 can characterize it as a mistake that Jimmy Kimmel did saying something incorrect about a tragedy.
00:16:43.560 Well, okay, sure. Kimmel does get canceled. He's back. I should say, which is different,
00:16:50.180 but let's say he gets canceled. And very importantly, sorry to interrupt, but very importantly,
00:16:55.640 uh, he's back after several terrorist threats and a full-on terrorist attack on ABC affiliates.
00:17:03.640 So yes, maybe ultimately his buddies in Hollywood put a lot of pressure on what was going on,
00:17:08.720 but to be clear, uh, you know, the Sinclair broadcasting group was planning to air a, uh,
00:17:14.580 a tribute to Charlie Kirk in his place, in the place of, uh, Jimmy Kimmel. And in response,
00:17:19.540 they received several bomb threats and one of their affiliates, uh, I believe in California,
00:17:23.940 Sacramento, uh, actually got a hail of gunfire through the window. Luckily no one was killed,
00:17:29.560 but to be clear, one of the very direct reasons Jimmy Kimmel's back on the air is because left
00:17:35.500 has committed more terrorism in response to him receiving any kind of, uh, consequence for lying
00:17:42.860 about Charlie Kirk. Well, definitely. And that's what I mean to say when the left, when you are in the
00:17:49.020 favor of power, you don't have to pay consequences. You don't have to accept the consequences of the
00:17:55.020 wrong things you've done. Yeah, sure. It's embarrassing for Kimmel. He doesn't get quite
00:17:58.360 as much as he would, but look at Jones. Jones owes what? Three quarters of a billion dollars,
00:18:05.440 right? Some preposterous amount. Absurd. He's ruined for life, financially ruined.
00:18:10.900 And similarly, when we look at this sort of stochastic terrorism, right? Calling for violence.
00:18:16.580 Orin, you and I understand how careful right-wingers have to be really about anything when we're on
00:18:23.500 platforms like YouTube or social media. We have to use creative euphemisms. We have to talk around
00:18:28.980 things. We have to be very cautious discussing anything that has to do with physical violence.
00:18:34.980 But for those aligned to power, for those who are on the political left, they can say basically
00:18:41.320 whatever they want. They can encourage violence obliquely or, in many cases, directly. And even
00:18:47.540 when those calls are acted upon, even when there are a spate of terrorist attacks, well, who actually
00:18:54.500 gets punished for it? One guy, kind of, right? And even then, somewhat reluctantly. You compare to
00:19:03.040 someone like, you know, Mackey, right? Who spent, effectively, the best part of a decade in and out
00:19:10.300 of court over a joke. A joke that, I might add, Kimmel and many other leftists have made. It's sort
00:19:16.480 of an old saw, right? A joke that your grandparents would make about, oh, I hope the Democrats come out
00:19:21.660 to vote on November 3rd. You know, ha-ha, kind of poke someone in the ribs. But if you're an enemy of
00:19:28.720 power, they're going to use that to ruin you. Alternatively, if you're a friend, you can basically
00:19:34.440 do whatever you want. And so, you know, the old line that Stalin may or may not have said,
00:19:39.740 for my friends, anything, for my enemies, the law, that's what we see here. Even when the sins,
00:19:47.120 so to speak, of each group are as far apart as they can be, right? Bodies being stacked up on one side
00:19:53.080 and being minorly rude on the internet on the other. Yeah, that one was a South American dictator.
00:20:00.380 I'm trying to remember which country. Maybe a Salvador? Anyway, not the current one. But yeah,
00:20:07.200 ultimately, we can see, you sent me this one, that things are only getting worse out there. We have
00:20:12.420 people openly posting recruitment posters for violent terrorist organizations that talk about
00:20:18.780 celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk and posting the very phrase that was etched into the bullet.
00:20:26.100 So, you know, the impossible thing that can't ever happen, you know, that none of these leftists have
00:20:29.840 ever seen before, except, you know, two weeks ago. The same message. So they are openly recruiting
00:20:35.120 terrorists, you know, on college campuses without fear because the Trump administration isn't doing
00:20:40.920 anything. Very, very simple. Very simple. Trump administration is not taking action. And so
00:20:46.860 they're continuing to do this. Here is yesterday, I believe, in, in, we had Eugene, Oregon, where there
00:20:56.460 was a large number of Antifa surrounding a federal building. They trapped ICE agents inside for a number
00:21:04.080 of hours. They needed to find alternative routes until federal law enforcement finally showed up. So,
00:21:10.100 you know, it was only a few hours of complete embarrassment by an open terror organization
00:21:15.260 to the Trump administration before they finally decided to do something about that. So, I mean,
00:21:21.200 what we're seeing here is that the Trump administration's complete inability to take
00:21:25.800 action in this moment is causing serious violence inside the United States. Now, I get it. You're
00:21:32.180 waiting maybe for Charlie Kirk's funeral. You were waiting to build cases against these people. You want to
00:21:36.920 do it right. Okay. But it's been several weeks and we're still seeing no high profile arrests. You can't
00:21:43.200 find one guy, one guy in Antifa who's committed a criminal conspiracy. I'm very doubtful of this. I'm
00:21:51.220 extremely doubtful of this. So, what is happening here? Like, I'm sorry. I'm angry at the left. I'm going to
00:21:58.120 blame the left a lot today. But I want to be very clear. I am furious at the right. I'm sorry. Like, I'm
00:22:04.000 trying to give the Trump administration the benefit of the doubt. But how many dead bodies does it take?
00:22:09.740 How many dead children does it take? How many dead fathers does it take? How many attempts to murder
00:22:15.480 ICE agents does it take? How many dead Christians does it take? When are we going to care? When are
00:22:22.780 we going to care enough to stop this? Oh, they're going to call us fascists. They're literally shooting
00:22:28.100 you while calling you fascists for debating them. Who cares? Who cares? I don't care if they call us
00:22:37.740 me names. I want them to stop shooting people. We all know how to stop it. This isn't a mystery.
00:22:44.820 This isn't some conundrum. This isn't some difficult logistical issue we got to work out. It's not.
00:22:51.160 And I'm really, really, unfortunately looking at guys like Cash Patel and Pam Bondi,
00:22:57.480 especially Pam Bondi, who can't seem to get anything together. We don't seem to be getting anywhere.
00:23:03.660 No arrests, no RICO cases, no raids, nothing. At most, we might be able to arrest a few people
00:23:10.900 who are literally obstructing ICE agents from leaving a building in an attempt to intimidate
00:23:15.760 them. That's about all we can do. Otherwise, can't be can't be bothered, it seems.
00:23:22.340 Well, especially when we have recent history to show what the intelligence agencies in the U.S.
00:23:29.500 can do to our own citizens. You may remember when the Biden administration was sending no-knock raids
00:23:35.720 to deal with octogenarians who may have been too close to an electoral justice protest that happened
00:23:41.480 somewhere. Again, this is clearly doable. The tools exist. This is the most powerful government
00:23:48.220 security apparatus the world has ever seen. I don't believe you when you say, oh, it's too hard,
00:23:54.300 we can't figure it out. Either you're incompetent, you're lazy, or you just don't want to do it.
00:24:01.060 It's sort of up to them which excuse they want to pull. Although I don't know if those really help
00:24:05.340 them out. But clearly, again, this is a problem of will. It can be done. We've seen these same tools
00:24:13.980 turned on us and our friends time and time again. They exist. If we can go after MAGA grandmas,
00:24:22.020 why can't we go after the people who are very clearly posting their intentions? We know the
00:24:28.900 platforms. Discord, for example, where many of these organizations plot. Well, Arun, if you and I
00:24:37.060 decided to start a Discord and we started saying things, we'd be kicked off almost immediately.
00:24:42.740 This has happened to many people on the right. Not only that, you run the risk of having your
00:24:47.160 personal information exposed, as has happened many, many times. So clearly, these mechanisms exist.
00:24:53.380 These tools exist. Why are they not being used? Is it simply that every institution and tech and
00:25:00.080 the entire judicial system has been taken over by libertarians and classical liberals who don't want
00:25:06.220 to impute on the rights of others? That may have happened. I'm not convinced by it. But again,
00:25:12.380 when we look at the administration, I think myself and many others were happy to give them the benefit
00:25:18.120 of the doubt. Happy to say, okay, I'll give you guys some time to figure it out. Once, twice, maybe.
00:25:26.100 But now you've been in charge. You control everything. Okay. So if you can't do it, why are you really in
00:25:37.840 charge? Because if you can't stop this, if you no longer have the monopoly on violence,
00:25:43.140 are you really sovereign? Are you really the leader, if that's the case? And I hope that I'm
00:25:49.460 wrong. I hope that tomorrow we wake up and all of these guys are being led away in chains. But
00:25:54.260 at least judging off the information we have, I don't think I am wrong.
00:25:57.980 Sadly, I don't think you are. And as you say, it's not just the raids on the J6 grannies, right? It's
00:26:08.180 also protesters at abortion clinics. It's guys like raids on guys like, why can I suddenly not remember
00:26:20.040 his name? Older gentleman has a tattoo of Richard Nixon was the super charismatic gray haired guy who
00:26:31.660 was always Roger Bannon. No, no. Robert Stone. Stone. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, like, you know, the full
00:26:42.360 armed, you know, middle of the night. Thank you, Roger Stone. Yes. Full, full middle of the night raids
00:26:48.120 on guys like Roger Stone who were not going to hurt anyone. Uh, you know, but yeah, we were more
00:26:52.520 than able to just, you know, show up to their house, you know, machine guns everywhere, uh, swarm the
00:26:57.480 whole place, kick through the door windows, you know, no problem. The Biden administration did this
00:27:02.640 all day long. Didn't hesitate. Didn't, didn't bother them even the slightest. Uh, but we can't get one
00:27:08.240 Antifa guy. We can't get one arrest. We can't get one Antifa leader. Just one. I get it. You're not
00:27:13.880 going to get them all in one swoop. That's fine. You can't put one guy up for me just to be like,
00:27:17.920 okay, we actually care. We're going to do something. There's more coming. It's really
00:27:22.600 insane. And it's, it's looking very bad. And I hope that yet another direct assault on federal
00:27:29.200 law enforcement will make these guys actually get off their butts and do something, anything at all.
00:27:35.980 It is insane at this point that they're continuing the way they are.
00:27:40.080 Even out of simple self-interest, right? Let's assume that these people are selfish.
00:27:44.960 Clearly, right. Maybe you could say, well, they can't really be bothered to protect people like
00:27:52.240 you and I are. But at this point, there are shots being aimed at agents of the state, which is again,
00:28:00.540 clearly a thumbing your nose at power saying, I can come at your guts and look. All right. I get it.
00:28:07.440 This guy isn't exactly around to, you know, go to prison afterwards. He pursued, uh, Canadian
00:28:12.880 healthcare as the kids say, nonetheless, this is a real problem. This is a challenge to your
00:28:18.560 authority. And if you can't put an end to this, if you can't say, if you swing at us, you'll regret
00:28:25.400 it. Well, I'm sorry. You're not sovereign. You're not in charge. You're not the real government
00:28:30.720 because whoever is in charge. And we've seen this and let's be honest, literally any state ever
00:28:35.660 has that ability. And when we combine, when we compare failed States to real ones, well,
00:28:42.540 what is the feature of failed States? They don't have the monopoly on violence. They've lost the
00:28:46.800 ability to say the only people who get to enact violence on others to enforce their will is me and
00:28:53.440 my guys. It's a very basic requirement of being a country. And RN, you and I live in the most
00:29:00.300 powerful, prosperous nation on earth, allegedly. But if that is true, and yet our government with
00:29:09.280 this, you know, almost miraculous amount of power, these incredible security apparatus cannot do it
00:29:16.040 either. They don't care or they can't. And again, what's the answer there? I think the Trump
00:29:24.140 administration needs to provide an answer to that question. Do they not care or are they not
00:29:29.560 sovereign? Cause as far as I can tell, those are the only two options. Yeah. Again, agree a hundred
00:29:35.480 percent. And it's, this is only going to spiral further out of control. The leftists are only
00:29:41.060 going to be more emboldened as this wedge is continually driven by these actors. But let's
00:29:48.360 speaking of go to Jimmy Kimmel, who of course returned last night, he did his best to do a
00:29:54.680 non-apology to try to look very sad. He did lots of cryy face, which is something Jimmy Kimmel has
00:30:00.800 done before. He's, he's a little Jordan Peterson in that way. However, he managed to go through this
00:30:07.520 whole thing with a large amount of righteous indignation. We'll just hear the non-apology
00:30:12.060 here. I don't think what I have to say is going to make much of a difference. If you like me, like
00:30:16.480 me, if you don't, you don't. I have no illusions about changing anyone's mind, but I do want to make
00:30:20.820 something clear because it's important to me as a human. And that is, you understand that it was
00:30:25.840 never my intention to make light of the murder of a young man. Of course it was. It's not even
00:30:33.460 like you literally are, if you're cracking jokes about it immediately, like you can say, okay,
00:30:39.300 I'm a comedian. It's what I do. But saying I didn't mean to make light of it. No, you literally
00:30:43.800 worked it into a comedy monologue. That's exactly what you meant to do. No one can miss this from
00:30:48.300 outer space. Well, and it's especially embarrassing because I would almost respect him more if he was
00:30:54.900 fully bought into the bit. He's like, yeah, you know what? I'm a comedian. I say horrible stuff.
00:31:01.020 Deal with it. Like that was his position. All right. I wouldn't have said it, but I could at least get
00:31:04.980 it. But being able to have your cake and eat it too, being able to say outrageous things. And then the
00:31:10.340 moment that someone objects to it, the moment you might face consequences to sort of run back to mom
00:31:15.780 and say, oh, that's not what I meant to do. That's not what I meant to do. This is the exact mechanism
00:31:19.640 I was speaking to earlier. But when you are the friend of power, you don't have to play by the
00:31:24.420 rules. You get to have your cake and eat it too. You get to pretend to be edgy when you want and then
00:31:31.700 retreat back. Use your Mott and Bailey to make sure that you can both be edgy and joke and also never
00:31:38.520 be held account for what you've said. It's incredibly irritating. And the fake tears are
00:31:43.860 unbecoming. It's probably an understatement.
00:31:47.720 Yeah.
00:31:53.720 I don't think there's anything funny about it. I posted a message on Instagram of the day he was
00:31:59.120 killed, sending love to his family and asking for compassion. And I meant it. I still do.
00:32:03.920 Nor was it my intention to blame any specific group for the actions of what it was obviously a deeply
00:32:10.560 disturbed individual. So again, just a complete lie here, top to bottom. So he directly blamed a
00:32:17.240 group. He made it very clear who he blamed. He said it was a MAGA Republican. He said it was one of
00:32:21.880 their own. He knows exactly what he said. And yet there's no apology here. You notice he hasn't said,
00:32:27.480 I'm sorry for misleading you. I'm sorry for lying about that. I'm sorry for covering for terrorist
00:32:33.220 attacks on this man's family. I'm sorry for making sure that his children and his widow heard me
00:32:39.800 lie about and completely distort the facts so that their father's killer could get a free pass,
00:32:46.060 at least in public opinion. He didn't say any of those things. He just said, you heard me wrong.
00:32:51.300 I didn't intend to say that, except it's exactly what I said verbatim. So there's no apology here.
00:32:56.960 This is just him stating, well, I'm going to cry a little bit while I explain why I said exactly what
00:33:03.360 I said. Well, actually, no, I'm just going to lie about what I said entirely.
00:33:06.820 That was really the opposite of the point I was trying to make. But I understand that to some that
00:33:11.620 felt either ill-timed or unclear or maybe both. And for those who think I did point a finger,
00:33:17.840 I get why you're upset. If the situation was reversed, there was a good chance I'd have felt
00:33:22.240 the same way. I have many friends and family members. So again, just complete lie here,
00:33:28.020 top to bottom, you know, oh, you misperceived me. I understand why you might come to this conclusion.
00:33:34.040 I get how you could listen to my words and then come to the wrong understanding. Not a single word
00:33:40.140 about what he actually said. Not a single word of asking for forgiveness, apologizing, showing any
00:33:47.240 actual sadness over what he had done and how he had treated the Kirk family and how he had distorted
00:33:53.160 the American reality. And the worst part about this is now that he is back on air, he has signaled to
00:33:58.960 all the other leftists that this is now how we conduct ourselves. And you can see this from the
00:34:03.100 Cranstonsteins and the Rhubars of the world. Of course, this has been a part of less leftist
00:34:08.040 operation for a long time, you know, spinning things before they really get out into the world
00:34:12.900 to change the perception. But Jimmy Kimmel is now in the position where we just full court press lie,
00:34:18.880 not just in the news media, not just as reporters, comedians, entertainers, whatever it is.
00:34:24.380 As soon as a cultural event goes out, as soon as there's any political violence,
00:34:29.620 rush forward, give a false narrative, spin the understanding. And that was what will anchor
00:34:36.340 into people's brains. And then when their, you know, Republican uncle shows them a clip of the
00:34:42.320 actual facts of what's going on, they can just be like, yeah, whatever, bigot. I'm sure you got that
00:34:47.040 on Fox News, right? Like that is now the standard operating procedure. Send every leftist soldier out
00:34:54.380 to the front lines as quickly as possible to lie about these terrorist attacks so they can hope to
00:35:00.180 spin it and completely distort the idea that leftists have in the United States.
00:35:05.320 Well, and again, when we talk about the ability of the left to have their cake and eat it too,
00:35:10.480 you get the advantages of violence, right? You get to silence your political opponents
00:35:14.480 and then dump the blame on the very people being targeted. It's an incredible bit of misdirection.
00:35:21.140 You can understand why they would want to pull it off, but there's no reason to let them do that.
00:35:26.920 There's no reason that they should be able to both advocate for violence and then blame the
00:35:32.880 victims of that violence for the very occurrence. It's absurd. And I say this, I feel no sympathy
00:35:41.780 for him in the slightest. He deserves everything he got for it. And I'm sad to say, as you mentioned
00:35:48.140 earlier, that it appears as if terrorism works, that if you threaten broadcasters, if you shoot
00:35:53.960 guns at their affiliate offices, well, you get what you want. And we also have to understand many
00:35:59.660 times people on the right are told to worry about the precedent, right? If we set the precedent that
00:36:05.600 you can be canceled for a joke, well, what will come of that? One, I would say in that case,
00:36:11.320 that precedent was set quite a while ago, but also if we roll over here, we have to worry about the
00:36:18.500 precedent being set there as well. If we say you can react to something you don't like with threats
00:36:25.700 of violence and get what you want, you do realize what you are incentivizing. You are incentivizing
00:36:31.160 more political violence. And unfortunately, that is exactly what we've seen.
00:36:35.940 So when the kind of well-meaning conservative asks you to consider the precedent being set,
00:36:42.820 understand that knife cuts both ways. In any case, there is a action and a reaction. And even aside
00:36:50.800 from the individual culpability of the people involved with this violence, which is there,
00:36:54.540 it is their fault that it happened. You also have to understand that people react to incentives.
00:37:01.020 And certainly some of the incentives are outside of our direct control. We can't, at least
00:37:05.400 immediately, make the left stop lionizing these people. We can't immediately make them stop
00:37:11.640 turning them into folk heroes. But what we can do is make sure that those people who do commit
00:37:17.320 violence and those who aid and abet them are punished severely. Similarly, we can make sure that
00:37:23.660 violence is not an effective bargaining tool, changing the landscape, changing the incentives.
00:37:29.720 And sure, are there not cases? Obviously, there are always not cases. There are guys who read
00:37:34.100 catcher in the rye and decide it's time to blast me, John Lennon. But that's a very different thing
00:37:40.140 from we're talking about, which is people, admittedly crazy people, reacting to language
00:37:45.980 coming from left-wing cultural figures, reacting to, I wouldn't even say dog whistles, just outright
00:37:52.520 calls for violence again and again and again.
00:37:55.220 Yeah. And again, I'm with you 100% on this, you know, oh, what if the pendulum swings back stuff?
00:38:02.860 I mean, obviously, it's been insane for a long time, right? Like we've watched, again,
00:38:07.600 J6s go to jail, abortion protesters go to jail, administration officials go to jail without
00:38:13.480 committing any crimes. We've seen, obviously, the censorship across all kinds of different
00:38:19.360 platforms. So the idea that like, oh, you can't bring the FCC into this, even though Jimmy Kimmel
00:38:25.400 directly violated the broadcast agreement by lying on air is just insane. It's like, oh, well, when you
00:38:32.080 get back in power, what? All your conservative late night hosts will get canceled? Like, what are we
00:38:38.240 doing here? Like, what are we even trying to say? Obviously, the left is already doing all of this.
00:38:43.580 You can't avoid the consequences of the swing back because they're already happening.
00:38:48.440 It can't, it can't, they are murdering people. It doesn't get worse than this. Like, it could be
00:38:54.820 more intense of the same thing, but all of the consequences are here. And that really comes
00:39:00.660 forward in our last story here, which is the understanding now that Google has admitted quite
00:39:08.200 extensively, actually, to being openly pressured by the Biden administration to censor conservatives.
00:39:15.780 Now, we all knew this, right? Like, this is, this is one of those, this is like, oh, it turns out it
00:39:20.140 wasn't a bat flu from a wet market, or it turns out the vaccine doesn't actually work. Like, we all
00:39:26.580 knew this, but we, you know, but it was all the, oh, well, we can't say it out loud thing. Now, we have
00:39:32.760 the direct proof from Representative Jim Jordan. He says, due to oversight efforts, Google commits to
00:39:39.120 offer all creators previously kicked off YouTube for political speech violations return to the
00:39:44.020 platform. But that's not all. YouTube also admits that the Biden administration censorship pressure
00:39:49.940 was unacceptable and wrong, confirms that Biden, the Biden administration wanted Americans censored
00:39:55.180 for speech that did not violate YouTube's policies. Details when YouTube began rolling back its
00:40:00.940 censorship policies on political speech, states that the public debate should never come at the
00:40:07.280 expense of relying on authorities, promises to never use third-party fact checkers, warns that
00:40:12.520 European censorship laws target American companies and threaten American speech. So we have an open
00:40:17.760 admission from, I think, the largest video platform in the world, one that certainly every young person
00:40:24.020 is completely addicted to and watches pretty much exclusively instead of television. And it admits that
00:40:29.360 outright, it has been banning and demonetizing and censoring entirely at the behest of the federal
00:40:36.540 government by the government by the administration. And this has to have resulted in one of the
00:40:42.820 largest destructions of information available. Now, you know, Jay Burton and I were talking about
00:40:49.580 this beforehand. We tend to not like to do these stories because it feels a little bit like inside
00:40:53.480 baseball. Like, obviously, we're two people who earn our living, at least in part, on YouTube. So it
00:40:58.040 matters to us whether or not you can monetize videos on YouTube. But there is a larger principle here,
00:41:03.780 not just us going, oh, whoa, is the influencer. What we're saying is that this information is being
00:41:09.820 censored in real time. And by making sure that you demonetize or completely remove these people from
00:41:15.600 the internet, you are ensuring that entire generations of people do not get this information,
00:41:20.160 that they are completely cut off from the truth. They're completely cut off from what's going on.
00:41:24.360 They have no idea about what's actually happening. And this is happening in real time under complete
00:41:29.920 government compulsion. So when it's, oh, what if the FCC points out that you're violating the law?
00:41:35.400 Oh, what if the Biden administration directly went to the video platform and said, take it off or else?
00:41:41.920 And then they did. Like, I don't know about you, but I can't imagine there isn't a, you know,
00:41:48.180 hundred, if not, you know, hundred million dollar class action lawsuit at minimum available to YouTube
00:41:54.320 creators who lost their entire livelihood over the Biden administration, directly ordering censorship
00:42:00.680 and YouTube choosing to comply. To be clear, YouTube is not a victim here. They wanted to do
00:42:06.400 this. That's why they did it. The Biden administration telling them to do it is just an excuse.
00:42:11.380 They wanted to do this. That's why it happened. There are plenty of cases where the government
00:42:15.480 tells, you know, different companies like Apple to do something and just say, no, piss off.
00:42:20.780 That's not what YouTube did here. They could have done that. They could have fought the battle.
00:42:23.560 They didn't, they wanted to remove these creators. The Biden administration told them to,
00:42:27.440 that gave them a nice reason to do so. And that's why we ended up here.
00:42:32.000 Yeah. So several things there. Uh, one, again, when we speak about incentives,
00:42:36.640 this is creating a massive cultural incentive, which is if you were on the left wing, you can make
00:42:43.520 quite a lot of money by making left wing propaganda. Some of the biggest streamers in the world are
00:42:49.480 lefty propaganda machines and they are incredibly wealthy. Whereas if you were interested in right
00:42:55.300 wing ideas, uh, one, it's a, it's an uphill battle, but two, you're not doing it for the money.
00:43:00.880 Oren, you and I followed a similar path where when we started out, one, weren't making a lot of money
00:43:07.480 at all. And two, it was incredibly dangerous. If we were found out, we'd lose our jobs, our real jobs,
00:43:13.600 at least. And so that's massively stacking the deck again, because like many people, I got more
00:43:20.140 interested in right wing politics because of things I found on social media, book reviews,
00:43:25.720 streams, something like that. And while look, like there is a growing right wing movement in America,
00:43:31.520 that's certainly true, despite the censorship. But nonetheless, we have to understand that that is
00:43:37.940 in spite of things like this, in spite of the largest companies in the world, attempting to
00:43:44.980 use arbitrary power to check that. I mean, I think both of us can, can rattle off dozens of people who
00:43:51.560 were kicked off the platform for basically no reason, never broke any of the rules, never said
00:43:57.700 something that all of us could look at and say, okay, well, you shouldn't have done that. And as you've
00:44:03.900 said, YouTube is not a victim here, because they still did this even before the Biden administration.
00:44:11.660 They still did this when Trump was in power. They were happy to pull out something that said,
00:44:17.260 oh, you've violated our terms and best practices. Goodbye. For, again, no reason given. And so to me,
00:44:26.300 look, I hope Jim Jordan, I hope the other congressmen take a hammer to YouTube. I have
00:44:36.560 no sympathy. Any punishment is not harsh enough as far as I'm concerned for this. But in all
00:44:43.580 seriousness, we have to understand that they are presenting this in such a way as to foist
00:44:48.260 responsibility on the Biden administration, an administration which certainly I have no love for,
00:44:53.340 and certainly they did a lot of bad things. We have to understand YouTube did a whole bunch of
00:44:58.380 this on their own well before Biden was even, you know, on the political stage as a presidential
00:45:03.580 candidate. So don't let them skate on this. Don't let them set the terms of what they've done,
00:45:10.140 but also understand that this matters. And it's not just you and I complaining about our AdSense
00:45:15.720 payments. It's that we've seen for the past 10 years, I mean, even going back to Obama,
00:45:20.400 the incredible impact of social media on political discourse. And the right has punched massively above
00:45:27.180 its weight on social media, despite overwhelming censorship. And so one has to wonder, where would
00:45:33.500 we be if social media was a level playing field? Where would we be if people like you and I are and
00:45:40.160 didn't have to use euphemisms to talk around certain issues, to modulate what we say in public,
00:45:46.800 because, you know, the, the, the moderation team is, you know, the worst combination of,
00:45:53.040 you know, Silicon Valley and New Delhi put together, right? It is, this is clearly a threat to our
00:46:00.540 democracy to use language that is regularly touted to punish people like you and I. And if we do again,
00:46:06.980 live in a democracy, how can this be allowed, right? How can power put their, their thumb on the
00:46:15.400 scale? Well, we all know, right? We all know that's not how it works, but nonetheless,
00:46:19.860 Google has admitted it. Let, let them pay the consequences of that, right? They have admitted
00:46:25.880 they did something wrong. And so, uh, I don't know how much, uh, we've already seen with Alex Jones,
00:46:34.240 right? When you make, when you make an enemy of people in power, you can be forced to pay truly
00:46:38.000 outrageous sums of money. So, uh, why not? You know, let, let's let Google empty their pockets a
00:46:44.220 little bit. Yeah. Again, I am unfortunately believe that, uh, Republicans will extract no real price out
00:46:51.840 of these guys other than forcing them to allow people back on the platform. I've already seen
00:46:56.260 some people like, uh, Dave Cullen computing forever who've been banned for 10 years for basically
00:47:00.560 nothing. Like really we're, we're in no way radical, no way controversial, uh, you know, outside of kind of
00:47:07.100 just the, the, the banal, uh, you know, uh, standards of 10 years ago, uh, is finally, you know, finally
00:47:13.960 back on the platform. So I'm glad for them. I'm glad that, you know, he's returned. It'll be
00:47:18.300 interesting to see if they put, you know, guys like Nick Fuentes back on, if they're, if they're
00:47:23.440 doing this, if they're trying to remove it, or if it'll be a very careful rollback of very specific,
00:47:28.200 uh, creators. But ultimately, like I said, I think it has to be, uh, it has to be a class action
00:47:34.700 lawsuit. If you want to get anything out of these guys, there, there has to be legal action by
00:47:38.720 creators who lost in many cases, you know, thousands, tens of thousands of hundreds of
00:47:44.360 thousands of dollars, uh, maybe, maybe over, you know, the course of several years, millions of
00:47:49.040 dollars because of what YouTube had, had done. Uh, and so, uh, I think that's the only way they'll
00:47:54.740 pay any kind of price. But again, this, the ultimate point of this in, in kind of the context
00:47:59.740 of all of our other stories today is don't tell me what if the left comes back and censors us?
00:48:05.620 What if the left uses power to silence our voices? We got to be careful. We can't set the precedent
00:48:10.840 because if we do, they might do all the stuff we know they did and can prove and just came out
00:48:17.020 in additional congressional testing or hearings. Well, and this is something that mutual friend
00:48:23.160 of ours, Dave, the distributist was talking about that from the perspective of the regime,
00:48:28.280 the left wing, right wing establishment, the way that things are supposed to work is that when the
00:48:32.780 left is in power, they get to use power. They get to cancel their opponents. They get to financially
00:48:39.460 ruin people they don't like. And the right gets to set things to a level playing field. So it
00:48:46.860 creates this ratchet where when I'm in charge, I get to hit you. And when you're in charge, we have
00:48:52.660 to be perfectly respectful and keep our hands to ourselves. And over time, again, talking about
00:48:57.460 trend lines, we know which ways that goes. And again, I have no sympathy for someone who says,
00:49:03.680 well, how dare you do this? Acting as if conservatives, right wingers have invented
00:49:08.740 these strategies, acting as if we don't remember what it was like when, you know, firefighters would
00:49:15.140 lose their job for donating $5 to Kyle Rittenhouse, who I might add was acquitted. He was not guilty of
00:49:21.900 murder. But to say that this is some sort of new innovation, that this is America turning dark is
00:49:28.740 absurd. And much as we've seen with Kimmel, these are crocodile tears. This is a cynical reaction
00:49:35.800 designed to provoke a change, designed to get us to stop doing something that's actually working.
00:49:42.400 And again, remind people again and again and again, don't listen to their fake tears because
00:49:50.040 they're cynical, because they're using that to get you to let up. So when they're in charge,
00:49:54.600 they can hit you back twice as hard. It's so clear that this is not an argument in good faith.
00:50:00.340 And we've seen that because, well, they don't feel particularly upset about using violence.
00:50:06.680 And if that's on the table, I'm sorry, if you're killing ours, you losing a job, you being forced
00:50:13.660 to pay out for breaking the law. I don't even know if that's quite fair, right? That seems to me to be
00:50:19.820 a very gracious response, all things considered. Yeah, it's not enough, but at least it's something.
00:50:25.660 And at this point, that's that that's far more than we've been getting. All right, well, we're going
00:50:29.540 to head to the questions of the people are stacking up quite a bit. Before we do, Mr. Burton, can you
00:50:33.260 please tell people where to find your excellent work? Yeah, sure. So my
00:50:36.600 primary output is the Jay Burden show. You can find me on Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
00:50:40.940 anywhere you listen podcasts. Again, Aaron, thank you so much for having me on.
00:50:45.300 All right, let's go to Thimplari says,
00:50:48.660 Fum, I don't have my enough Latin for that. While Rome debates,
00:50:54.180 Seguenta is captured. Speeches don't stop civil war. Yeah, again, I think we all understand that
00:51:00.340 action is what is required here. I do think that we can get everything done that we need to get done
00:51:05.700 under the color of law. But if it doesn't get done under the color of law, it will get done
00:51:10.200 somewhere else. So I'm really hoping that the Trump administration understands where it's at right
00:51:15.660 now. It should have understood it a long time ago. Maybe they've just been lining up the most
00:51:21.860 thorough case we've ever seen in human history. Cool, but let's go. Now's the time. Enough of the
00:51:28.560 hand-wringing, enough of the vague, I will come after Antifa at some point. Now is the time.
00:51:33.880 That's enough. Thimplari says, Pam is a disaster. Yeah, I mean, obviously, I've made an entire
00:51:40.520 rant about that. So I won't go into any more detail. I didn't say, you know, put Gates back in,
00:51:47.980 you know, get, I don't know, DeSantis, somebody, just anyone else, really.
00:51:54.040 Leonard says, AA said it best today. All the quasi-right-wing populist leaders across the West
00:51:59.500 are simply compromised. Until you fix that, you accomplish nothing. That's, of course, true.
00:52:07.100 But the question is, how do you fix that, right? Like, I'm with you, right? But for academic agent,
00:52:14.660 who, you know, I'm friends with, but has, I feel had some erratic commentary as of late.
00:52:21.500 Like, it's impossible to shoot anyone with a .30-06 from, like, 200 yards away. He thought
00:52:27.780 that was, like, magical. And so it's like, okay, I hear you. Yes, they're compromised. So what do you
00:52:33.300 do, right? My hope is to encourage those in power to properly serve the people that they are supposed
00:52:41.480 to, recognizing that it is in their own interest. I understand they're compromised, but you try to
00:52:45.880 create a wedge and say, okay, if you do not enact these things, we will know who you are and what
00:52:53.020 you are done. Now, maybe they will still fail. It seems like they might. I'm not saying they won't,
00:52:57.760 but, like, practically, what does any of that mean, right? And I think the answer is you have to put
00:53:02.360 pressure on people in the Trump administration, other public officials, other private entities like
00:53:08.940 corporations, and see if you can't move the needle. Not because I'm this big fan of the power of the
00:53:14.540 people, but literally, what else are you going to do? Right. It's like we have a limited number
00:53:21.600 of levers to pull. And if the conclusion is there's simply nothing to be done, just wait for the next
00:53:28.140 cycle, you know, like we're waiting for, you know, a new age. It's like, okay, I mean, conceptually,
00:53:35.600 you may be right, but that's a very horrible way to live, right? Just wait for something else to be
00:53:40.680 done. It's sort of bizarrely like feminine in a cosmic sense, right? To simply wait to be acted
00:53:45.660 upon by history. Uh, and a lot of lunar energy there. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I'll, I'll leave it at
00:53:52.060 that. Look, I, I, I, I have, I am obviously a fan of elite theory. I think there is a wisdom to
00:54:00.020 keeping your powder dry until striking with the decisive blow. But at some point you can be like,
00:54:05.600 well, the burden, the barbarians are outside and they are burning down my village and they are
00:54:10.800 planning to rape my wife and my children, but it would be imprudent to fight them now. I'll wait
00:54:16.160 till later. Like at some point, the moment comes, whether you have the plan or not. So there, there
00:54:21.460 is a level of analysis paralysis that allows you to simply, uh, engage in cowardice. And that's what
00:54:27.220 I'm trying to avoid. I'm not trying to push anyone into, I don't want anyone to get radical.
00:54:30.720 I think everything, like I said, now should be focused on encouraging the Trump administration
00:54:35.980 to take lawful action to prevent any other, uh, you know, uh, type of action being necessary.
00:54:42.840 Uh, that is where my energy is focused. Now, if you think that's a waste of time, that's fine.
00:54:47.320 Just don't stand in my way. I mean, it's, it's like that section from Proverbs 20 something,
00:54:53.320 right? There is a lion in the street. Like, yes, there is always, there's always some reason not
00:54:58.380 to do something, but ultimately like you have to make a move. You have to play. And even if you
00:55:05.080 have a very poor set of cards, well, a decision must be made. And again, I think that AA is a friend
00:55:15.200 of mine, a huge influence on my thinking, but this is an area in which I think that, uh, perhaps the
00:55:20.360 three of us disagree. I'll leave it at that. Joe McDermott says, I'm confused why Antifa outside
00:55:27.040 of ICE is not in Gitmo. What was the effect of labeling of a terrorist organization? Well,
00:55:31.940 unfortunately, labeling of a terrorist organization domestically has no real legal weight. Uh, there
00:55:39.100 is no specific power that is granted to you by designating a, a, uh, domestic terror group.
00:55:46.780 Now a foreign terror group is different. There is actually legal, uh, language, you know,
00:55:52.740 powers are triggered by declaring Antifa a foreign, uh, terror group, which I think there is grounds to
00:55:58.960 do because they were not started in the United States. Antifa is fundamentally started in Europe.
00:56:03.200 It is not American and it's founding. I think there's a great case to do this. And the Trump
00:56:07.700 administration should, but labeling them domestic terrorists really only tells the executive branch
00:56:14.720 to take them seriously. That's it. It doesn't have any additional legal language, unfortunately.
00:56:19.920 Well, also, and again, you still need to do something once you've declared them a terrorist.
00:56:25.420 It's not like, you know, the, the joke from the Michael Scott, you know, yeah, right. Yeah,
00:56:29.060 exactly. I declare you're a terrorist. It's like, well, okay, there's a step two to that, uh,
00:56:35.000 that magic equation, right? You can jail a terrorist. If they, if they can say you can punch a Nazi,
00:56:41.000 you can jail a terrorist. That that's the easy answer to that one. Nuka, uh, or I said Nuka
00:56:46.620 Cola cause I'm a huge fallout fan. Uh, cherry, uh, Coke Nixon says Andrew Colvalt, uh, posted on X,
00:56:53.620 uh, Hey, fascist catch flyer from John Brown club at Georgetown, DOJ FBI sleep at the wheel. Yes.
00:56:59.940 That's the, the flyer that Jay Burden sent me. And yes, the fact that that is appearing on college
00:57:04.340 campuses, they are openly recruiting, uh, for more terrorism. They are celebrating violence. They are
00:57:10.000 saying openly that they cheer the death of Charlie Kirk. They plan for more. Uh, the fact that this is
00:57:14.740 being allowed, uh, you know, I remember I'm not that old. I remember a whole month ago when the
00:57:22.940 Trump administration brought the entire hammer, the entire weight of the law onto organizations
00:57:28.580 like universities because they were anti-Semitic. I remember this. I was there for this. Jay,
00:57:34.440 you remember this, right? I'm not crazy. I'm not delusional. I remember I was, I was alive back
00:57:39.280 then several months ago. Right. So like, I remember when the government had the authority,
00:57:45.660 the ability, the political will to immediately punish these organizations for not being like
00:57:53.880 huge fans of Israel. So I think I, I know I'm crazy here. Maybe I'm out of my skis, right? I don't
00:58:02.340 want to, I don't want a Tucker Carlson moment where everyone thinks I'm an anti-Semite here, but if the
00:58:07.160 government can punish schools for being anti-Semitic, then it can probably punish universities for
00:58:15.700 allowing the recruitment openly of terrorists on their campus. There was just another conservative,
00:58:23.400 sorry, go ahead. No, no, I, I hold the very radical position that our government should
00:58:28.420 consider its own agents to be as worthy of their protection as they do the citizens of another
00:58:34.560 country. And it seems to be a relatively a reasonable ask, but sorry, I interrupted our
00:58:39.540 no, no, it's okay. It's just, it's, it's, it's driving me nuts. I'm really tired of the,
00:58:44.900 well, what if we take this action? We, we could take it on anti-Semitism. We could take it for Israel.
00:58:50.100 You tell me you can't protect Americans on college campuses. You can't protect conservatives on college
00:58:55.780 campuses, but you can protect pro-Israel demonstrators. Why? What is the magic? Explain it to me.
00:59:03.200 Like, I don't know. I know, but tell me, pretend I don't, pretend I don't know. And just, just explain
00:59:08.400 it to me slowly. Like, why can't we do this? The, the, the universities are obviously facilitating
00:59:16.160 people. We just had another consumer, a conservative influencer who tried to set up like a table talk,
00:59:22.420 like Charlie Kirk did. And by the way, guys, I don't like clout chasing all this stuff. So just
00:59:28.300 think about your souls when you're doing this. Anyway, uh, the point being, uh, that he set this
00:59:33.300 up like 10 minutes in the entire college crowd was threatening him, pulling him out. The police
00:59:39.100 couldn't guarantee his safety. College campuses are basically now like hot landing zones in Vietnam,
00:59:45.760 like conservative pundits are basically like lieutenants dropped into a hot LZ in Vietnam. That's,
00:59:51.660 that's now how long they can last in any given, uh, uh, college setting. That's open terrorism on
00:59:59.420 campus. If you can shut down antisemitic protests, you can shut down violent attacks on conservatives.
01:00:06.000 I know you can do it. So just do it. Don't give me the excuses and do it. Life of Brian says,
01:00:14.820 uh, orange early, uh, life of Brian says orange early hope that Trump would act reminds me of
01:00:19.920 Charlie Kirk's, uh, Epstein remarks about trusting his friends in government delusional. Look, man,
01:00:25.040 the other option is, well, we all know what the other option is. So if you would like to go ahead
01:00:30.740 and advocate for all on, you know, full scale vigilante violence, I'll let you take that into
01:00:38.820 your, you know, you can do that if that's what you feel like doing. I advise against it, but that is
01:00:43.700 not my first reaction. My first reaction is encourage the government who ostensibly is in power. It is
01:00:49.340 ostensibly serving our interests to take legitimate action. It's not like I went in with my eyes closed.
01:00:55.720 I understood that these guys often fail at this. That's why I encouraged it from the very beginning.
01:01:00.660 In fact, many people attack me for not having enough faith in the Trump administration. It's
01:01:04.440 only been a few days, Oren. Why are you speaking on this now? Give them a few days to figure it out
01:01:09.240 from day one. I jumped on him. No, this has to happen. It has to happen now. If it doesn't happen,
01:01:13.360 terrible stuff will follow. So I hear you like, yeah, ultimately this has been very disappointing,
01:01:19.560 but the other option was to advocate for full on vigilante violence. And that was not what I was going
01:01:24.080 to do. So if you think that that was just too weak for you, please move on. Find someone else who's
01:01:30.100 going to scream your fed posts out for you. I'm going to advise the administration to act within
01:01:35.620 the law to bring justice to these people. Because if we don't, then the next step is rather horrific.
01:01:45.060 He also says, Trump does nothing for the same reason. I don't keep up with the lit on reproductive
01:01:50.520 patterns of ants. He is a hundred percent donor driven. He doesn't care. Again, best of luck.
01:01:55.020 Templar says, imagine if Lincoln had spent four years just saying this needs to stop. Well,
01:02:02.600 don't get me started on Lincoln. Yeah. Don't, don't go spinning utopias to me.
01:02:11.520 Let's see here. Philosophical thirst worm says, uh, Bondi is a childless old woman, uh, forced by GOP
01:02:17.840 senators because they know she's useless. It's the whole point. Thun's singular mission is containment.
01:02:23.400 Again, I, uh, have to say that Bondi's, uh, action has been entirely disappointing. Uh, there are
01:02:30.880 probably other weak figures that I guess could have been male or something. Uh, but ultimately
01:02:35.260 she's the one they picked and obviously she has not been up for the job. Um, if you had a problem
01:02:40.280 with Gates, there had to be someone else competent. And it seems like we put in someone who wasn't,
01:02:45.020 uh, is it entirely so she could be incompetent or unable to get the job done? I don't know,
01:02:50.540 but it surely is where we're at now.
01:02:53.400 Thirstworm Sims, uh, compare how Cash and Bondi react to two college kids arguing about Israel.
01:03:00.800 Maybe we'll get some action if they engage in free Palestine next time. Yep. Again,
01:03:04.600 like I said, Bondi's first reaction when she heard about what happened with Charlie Kirk
01:03:08.260 was to talk about antisemitism on campus. We all see it guys. Like it's not, nobody's blind here.
01:03:13.360 Okay. Everyone, everyone's on the same page. Uh, so let's just make sure that, that, that it's
01:03:18.440 understood. We have the power to do this. We've seen the administration do it. So they need to do it.
01:03:23.400 Rupert weirdo says he's not sorry. He's afraid. I sadly don't even think Kimmel's afraid at this
01:03:29.480 point. Uh, you know, that, that, that's the, the really sad truth is I don't think he's even afraid
01:03:34.780 at this point. Uh, he knew he had to cry a little bit to get back on television. So he did. He knew
01:03:40.020 he wasn't going to apologize. That's why he was taken off in the first place. That's the rumor is
01:03:44.060 that he was supposed to apologize and he refused. And look, there are still two, two large affiliate
01:03:49.200 groups, uh, Sinclair and, uh, next star who are still refusing to show his stuff, right? So about
01:03:57.060 70 of the 250 affiliates for ABC refuses to air the Jimmy Kimmel show, which is actually quite bad for
01:04:04.180 them. I know that doesn't sound like a lot, but it's actually a huge hit because they probably already
01:04:07.720 took a lot of flack from advertisers who didn't want to be involved. On top of that, advertisers who
01:04:12.000 still are involved are getting like a third of the stations are not getting those advertisements in
01:04:16.940 that time slot. Uh, so it is actually quite a blow. The real question is will Sinclair and next star
01:04:22.360 continue or will they just say, Oh, well, I guess he cried on camera. So it's okay. I hope they
01:04:27.940 continue to block this. Uh, unfortunately I don't know if they will. Uh, but at least at this moment,
01:04:32.920 there is some level of penalty, but it's certainly not that I think ultimately he's sorry at all.
01:04:37.440 Well, especially when we consider how much money Kimmel's operation has been losing anyway,
01:04:43.120 like it's been running at a loss for years at this point. Uh, so, you know, look like if you're
01:04:48.840 losing money, that's not good, but to increase the rate at which you're losing money by about a third,
01:04:54.840 uh, obviously it's not the wind and having him gone would be, but at least they're paying through
01:05:01.460 the nose for the privilege of keeping him around. Yeah, that's right. At this point, ABC is,
01:05:06.720 and this should really be noted, Disney, ABC, they are paying a Jimmy Kimmel tax because they
01:05:12.060 support his ability to cover for terrorists more than money. So again, you know, the cap,
01:05:18.200 the, the completely purely capitalist theory of, uh, incentives for corporation proves entirely
01:05:24.240 incorrect. Uh, they will choose ideology over money on a regular basis and they are doing it again.
01:05:31.240 Uh, but at least as you say, there is a real penalty there. They are having, being forced to pay
01:05:35.660 a tax for keeping him on. Jacob Zendel says, why are there still gender studies departments at
01:05:42.160 U S universities? Again, I agree a hundred percent. We know this is an ideology that gets
01:05:46.400 people killed. We know it's an ideology that, uh, it encourages child mutilation. We know that it ends
01:05:52.120 up pushing, uh, this over and over again. And so I think, you know, all of this needs to be removed
01:05:57.780 from universities. We know that the administration can do it. So let's do it.
01:06:03.780 Simon, uh, Rabban, uh, says, uh, does the Bible interpret itself? If so, how I'm assuming this is
01:06:11.800 some kind of sola scriptura, uh, attempt here. Uh, so, uh, I'm not really gonna like do theology,
01:06:18.940 I guess at this one. I'm, I'm not a pastor. I'll let someone handle that.
01:06:24.480 Uh, wild speaker says, I sympathize with the administration that they can't be as transparent
01:06:29.520 as they'd like. You can't show your hand before the turn. And I hear you that ultimately does
01:06:34.700 make sense. Uh, but, uh, we need to see action at some point. We can't just hear, oh, well, uh,
01:06:40.900 we're always planning. We're always planning. We're always planning. As we've pointed out,
01:06:44.720 as burden has pointed out, as many of the commenters have pointed out, we've seen that the
01:06:48.500 administration is perfectly capable of doing things like enforcing their will on college
01:06:51.900 campuses. So I get, maybe you can't do an entire Rico case in two weeks. Fine. You can put pressure
01:06:57.160 on college campuses. I know you can, I've seen you do it and I've seen you do it in the same amount
01:07:00.460 of time. So let's see that. I'm not asking for every action right away. I'm not asking for a
01:07:05.860 roadmap to every single FBI raid. I understand why that won't work, but I can see some action. And
01:07:11.540 right now I'm seeing that. And Michael Gray says, we can't let Charlie Kirk slip into our rear view
01:07:17.820 mirrors. The left is furious that we punched back and they won't forget it. Don't will. Yeah. Again,
01:07:22.780 their, their whole hope is that this media cycle just kind of moves on, right? They can get back to
01:07:27.280 what they were doing. Uh, but interestingly enough, they're rabid feeding into the cycle
01:07:31.460 rather than just laying low. Like they kind of did with the Trump assassination. I think means that this
01:07:35.840 won't just move on. I think that this one will actually, uh, stay with us for quite a while. I don't
01:07:41.100 think the assassination of Charlie Kirk is going to fade into memory immediately in the news cycle,
01:07:45.600 or at least it won't, if we have anything to say about it. So that's what we're going to do.
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