The Auron MacIntyre Show - Mug-Shot Madness ｜ Guest： Wade Stotts ｜ 8⧸29⧸23

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00:00:30.320 Hey, everybody. How's it going?

00:00:31.800 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

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00:00:38.300 So, I leave the country for a few days, and everything comes apart.

00:00:42.640 You know, I'm in the UK, and as I'm trying to leave, I get out of there.

00:00:48.060 And then, like, two hours later, the entire air traffic control system for the country shuts down.

00:00:52.860 I almost get stranded in bong land for, you know, an intermediate amount of time. 0.98

00:00:58.880 And then I get to Florida, and there's a hurricane on its way.

00:01:01.720 So, and in the middle of all of this, we've had Trump with indictments and mugshots and everything else.

00:01:08.780 So, it's good to be back.

00:01:10.040 But joining me to talk about all the madness with Trump, the mugshots, the indictments, the trials, everything going on is Wade Stotts from The Wade Show.

00:01:18.260 Thanks for joining me, man.

00:01:19.500 Thank you so much for having me.

00:01:20.480 It's a pleasure.

00:01:20.820 No, absolutely.

00:01:22.140 If anybody hasn't been checking out Wade's show, it's very, very funny.

00:01:25.040 It's great stuff.

00:01:25.780 Make sure that you go ahead and check out his channel.

00:01:27.640 I think he's on YouTube and then has a longer show on his premium service as well.

00:01:32.660 But very funny.

00:01:33.680 Make sure that you are watching those episodes.

00:01:36.520 But Wade had a really good take.

00:01:38.220 Like I said, we've had the, you know, the indictments.

00:01:41.480 We have the mugshot come out.

00:01:43.640 And I think he had a really good take on his show, kind of looking at the two processes, right?

00:01:48.520 We've got something pretending to be the GOP primary.

00:01:52.280 And then we have the actual election happening simultaneously.

00:01:56.720 So, Wade, why don't you kind of get into that for people real quick?

00:02:00.500 Yeah.

00:02:00.680 Well, last week was pretty wild because we had, I think on Tuesday, we had the arrest of like Rudy Giuliani and like eight other people, Jenna Ellis and several other folks got their mugshots taken.

00:02:11.980 And then the next day we had Trump getting arrested and getting his mugshot taken.

00:02:18.080 And then between those two events, we had the GOP debate where everybody got to get on stage and talk about the issues and talk about when the whether the Social Security age should be raised or, you know.

00:02:29.480 How much money are we getting to Ukraine and Israel?

00:02:31.860 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:32.660 No, I'm going to send more.

00:02:33.920 I'm going to send more.

00:02:34.720 Yeah.

00:02:34.780 Yeah.

00:02:35.440 So they're all competing for this sort of prize while at the same time, again, the actual political opposition is getting treated this way.

00:02:44.460 So the way that things are going, yeah, we've got this kind of real thing.

00:02:48.400 We've got people getting prosecuted, getting indicted, legal warfare going on.

00:02:52.800 And then at the same time, we've got, you know, Black Rifle Coffee ads and on Rumble and we've got all this this kind of stuff going on simultaneously while and both of them are pretending to be where the real resistance lies.

00:03:07.720 So the guys on the stage really want to present themselves as the resistance, as we're going to dismantle the system, we're going to take it down.

00:03:17.240 And the system itself is acting like that's not true.

00:03:21.220 You know, whether whether it's true or not, they're at least acting like somebody else is more of a threat.

00:03:26.480 So, yeah, that that's that was basically my take is we've got two processes.

00:03:30.240 One process is real. One process is theatrical, sort of like my pastor said something about it being like Lexington and Concord reenactments, like where everybody everybody gets to put on their costumes and present pretend that, you know, we're actually doing a battle here.

00:03:43.740 But but the outcome is, you know, sort of decided for us whether we have debates or not.

00:03:50.180 So this is kind of weird, right?

00:03:52.020 And I know this makes a lot of people who aren't Trump fans angry.

00:03:55.420 And I'll just couch this real quick.

00:03:57.000 Like, I think a lot of people know that I'm generally well, well, I think that democracy is is wildly fake and and it really doesn't get the job done.

00:04:06.820 I can something else.

00:04:08.280 Yeah, something else.

00:04:10.140 But but but while they know that this is the case, you know, I do think that that Trump is a more effective kind of tool to shake up the system.

00:04:18.780 I'm not so much excited about the Trump governance.

00:04:21.240 You know, I don't don't really expect his really important white paper outlines for, you know, trade with whoever more about the way that that Trump impacts the system.

00:04:31.360 So so when I when people say, oh, you're a Trump supporter, it's like, well, in the sense that I think he's you know, he's more disruptive to the system.

00:04:38.360 Not not that I'm super excited about his ability to rule, but but but, you know, a lot of people who aren't Trump fans, you know, they look at this and they say, oh, well, you know, framing it the way you just did is a is a coronation of Trump.

00:04:52.280 Right. It's is exactly what the system wants.

00:04:54.540 They want this guy.

00:04:55.460 They know that someone like DeSantis or Nikki Haley or somebody would be like way more dangerous.

00:05:00.960 And so they're trying to they're way more electable.

00:05:03.960 And so they're trying to force Trump on us.

00:05:06.040 There's especially a lot of mainstream pundits who kind of push this idea that like the key is getting, you know, him him like, you know, out there.

00:05:13.700 And so they don't they don't like this framing because like obviously it just sidelines of all the other candidates.

00:05:18.340 Like, what do you say to that?

00:05:19.320 We're like, well, by by stepping in this, you're stepping into the leftist frame.

00:05:22.800 You're accepting the candidate that they're making specifically kind of unelectable.

00:05:27.380 And so therefore, like you're playing into their game.

00:05:29.600 Well, I would I would think that that were the case if they were if the left were treating it that way.

00:05:36.420 So if if I think that the left was going after Trump and has been going after Trump for a long time, not not just I think that they've been going after him for a long time before DeSantis was some kind of national figure.

00:05:49.520 And so people weren't they weren't trying to get us away from DeSantis during the Russia collusion stuff.

00:05:54.860 And I think that thinking that there has been a huge pivot from for the reason why they're going after Trump is is sort of odd without a bunch of evidence about it.

00:06:04.280 And yeah, I mean, like Nikki Haley, of course, wants to say like, oh, they're really scared of me because I'm a woman and I'm a child of immigrants.

00:06:10.200 And and that again, they they're they're not prosecuting you.

00:06:13.380 And so it doesn't at least seem that way.

00:06:15.860 Again, we're we can only look at it from the outside.

00:06:18.400 And I don't want to, again, read people's minds that at some level they've they've now shifted their reasoning for doing the exact same thing they've been doing since 2015.

00:06:26.600 Yeah, no, I agree with you.

00:06:30.080 It's you can see how unhinged these people have been the whole time about him and how, you know, ravenously they've kind of gone after him after trying to get him into the spot because they thought he would be unelectable, which is kind of the funny part.

00:06:43.500 It backfired on the first time.

00:06:44.720 So even if you're trying to make that point, I'm not sure why it wouldn't backfire again.

00:06:48.180 But either way, the point is, like, it's very clear that the press believes that this guy is a really dangerous threat on some level.

00:06:56.160 Interesting thing, though, you know, in 2015, obviously, he got a lot of free press for just being who he was.

00:07:03.280 Right. A lot of like he's on Morning Joe all the time and that kind of thing.

00:07:06.300 A lot of people speculated that the, you know, the liberal media basically nominated this guy because they gave him, you know, in-kind donations out the wazoo by plastering him everywhere and telling everybody to be scared of him.

00:07:18.560 But in 2020, they kind of dialed that back.

00:07:21.160 Right. They kind of knew that putting Trump in front of cameras, especially with a opposition, was a dangerous thing.

00:07:28.520 Right. And it feels like with Trump out of office for a few years, they forgot that lesson.

00:07:33.780 Right. Like like we saw him in the CNN town hall debate and you could almost see like the rejuvenation of Donald Trump Trump live there on stage as he got to once again, you know, you know, destroy gladiators for the amusement of the crowd.

00:07:46.860 And then, you know, and now they've just kind of ramped this up.

00:07:50.320 And with this, you know, throwing out his mugshot there, it's more like they're trying to turn him into Jesse James than they're trying to, you know.

00:07:56.640 And so it feels like they forgot that lesson and they're buying right back into Trump's strength, which is putting him in this adversarial process where he gets to vest his enemies for his supporters.

00:08:08.140 Yeah. And it would also all of that kind of way of thinking would depend on somebody's thinking that the left thinking that Trump isn't popular enough.

00:08:16.000 Like people don't love Trump enough. We've got to make sure that they love him even more.

00:08:20.700 It seems it seems, again, like an odd, odd thing. But again, it's not that they were really nice to Trump until DeSantis came along and then all of a sudden, oh, well, man, we got to get we got to make sure to get people away from this this real threat.

00:08:33.800 And most of the way of thinking about that, where, oh, we've got to make Trump unelectable, we've got to we've got to make Trump popular.

00:08:40.780 And then because we know that we can win is is all dependent on also believing, you know, we all know that 2020 was the freest and the fairest, right?

00:08:51.860 Most free, most fair, the freest and the fairest.

00:08:53.900 And in 2024, we can assume that it will be even more free and even more fair.

00:08:59.500 But if if we're if we act as if the freeness and the fairness will not be turned up, as if we think it'll just sort of stop at some level at some point, then, yeah, we can't really talk about electability.

00:09:10.720 Like all of those all those free and fair, all those, you know, whatever fortifying, you know, all the election fortification measures are, you know, sort of again, it's sort of buying into the the populist kind of delusion where you're like, OK, well, he's he's not popular enough.

00:09:27.400 We've got to make him more popular. And you're all steering popular opinion, which is something that you don't have that have to do that.

00:09:34.240 They understand how power works a lot better than we like analysts out here sort of guessing at their motives.

00:09:40.720 Yeah, I kind of made a point similar on Twitter yesterday that there's a lot of people, of course, and I get it, like people want to believe that the process is still going forward.

00:09:52.800 Right. Like we this is this is the ritual. This is what we do. This is how we transfer our legitimacy to our government.

00:09:59.980 Like, obviously, like this is kind of core to much of our identity.

00:10:03.780 And so you can't like it. And of course, there's a lot of machinery.

00:10:07.080 There's a lot of people making money. There's a lot of political consultants.

00:10:12.120 There's a lot of media officials like you need to have the conversation about the horse race.

00:10:16.340 And, you know, what are we going to debate about and who's who's winning in what state and blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:10:21.700 You know, you got to do all this polling and, you know, like all these things need to get done.

00:10:25.160 All these pockets need to get in line. And so the media apparatus isn't going to want to like shift off of this normal routine of having basically like prefabricated content.

00:10:34.880 And it's weird. Like once you've been in the content, the content business, you can see how much of this is just like Domino's pizza showing up to your door because it's Tuesday.

00:10:43.480 And it's and you and you're just like, oh, man, OK, well, that's not good because we're talking about like the actual continue constitutional continuance of our government.

00:10:53.720 So we probably shouldn't just like roll this stuff off the assembly line.

00:10:58.480 But but but but it feels like there's so much of that that has to continue.

00:11:02.720 So we can't have the conversation about like how this is all being disrupted because that might disrupt like our regularly scheduled media narrative.

00:11:10.380 Yeah. And if they didn't do the day after the debate show where everybody talks about who won and then you get on different people, you get the callers to come in and they debate.

00:11:18.420 And we debate the on air personalities and everybody gets their paycheck and everything's fine.

00:11:22.900 But, yeah, you can't you can't do that if that's not actually the issue.

00:11:26.040 And, you know, everybody on that stage wanted to make sure that they were talking.

00:11:30.640 You know, they wanted to frame everything in terms of these are the issues that are facing America.

00:11:34.600 This is this is the most important stuff.

00:11:37.740 And it was obviously climate change.

00:11:39.500 And we saw all of that.

00:11:41.260 But the actual issue that everybody that will affect the most Americans and every election going forward is elections themselves.

00:11:50.540 And so that wasn't part of the debate.

00:11:53.000 Not anybody, not not a single person talking about ballot harvesting, not a single question about, like, how we're going to change our strategy to get, you know, to the same day voting, reduce mail in fraud.

00:12:03.500 Not not a word of this from anybody.

00:12:05.640 Right. Exactly.

00:12:06.040 And the only person who is talking about that is the guy who's getting arrested.

00:12:10.740 And so we all see what happens to people who do talk that way.

00:12:15.220 And so, yeah, we start to get signals.

00:12:17.360 We were talking earlier about, like, people wanting the process to continue because that's the way that it can.

00:12:22.400 I mean, we all we all grew up in a sort of system where, like, the first time I voted, I went online and I found an online quiz that would go through and I could answer multiple choice questions.

00:12:33.520 And I would be able to, at the end of it, find out who my candidate was because, oh, 87 percent of my views are aligned with candidate X.

00:12:42.160 Great. That's my candidate. I'll vote for that person.

00:12:44.620 And that's really just not the way anything ever worked.

00:12:47.820 And so at least when I thought when I thought it was working that way and we could all just sort of like maintain our ideological purity, it's it's not the way things actually are.

00:12:59.460 I was thinking I went to Walmart the other day.

00:13:02.900 This is going to this will connect.

00:13:04.040 I promise I was I went to Walmart the other day and I was thinking, like looking around.

00:13:09.460 I had a I had a friend who has worked at Walmart, worked the night shift at Walmart in a tiny town in Arkansas.

00:13:15.000 And he said that he was trained not to stop shoplifters.

00:13:19.100 This is the first time I heard it.

00:13:20.180 I heard it back in high school.

00:13:21.100 He was telling me this.

00:13:21.700 And when he was explaining this to me, I was going, oh, this is crazy.

00:13:25.740 And then the other day I went to Walmart and just thought, like, everybody here, this whole system is really dependent on everybody trying their hardest to do the right thing.

00:13:35.520 Despite the inconvenience and all of that.

00:13:37.760 So I've got to go get my toothpaste and I've got to go to the front of the thing.

00:13:40.900 I've got to wait in line.

00:13:41.740 I've got to stick my card in, beep, beep, boop, and then get out.

00:13:44.420 But as soon as somebody realizes, oh, I don't have to go through that whole hassle.

00:13:49.280 I don't have to even spend any money.

00:13:50.520 I can get through it all.

00:13:52.780 You know, it's the same kind of thing with, you know, getting off of airplanes.

00:13:56.340 You know, everybody gets off of airplanes and like one.

00:13:59.000 Oh, well, if I if I get off first, the whole system doesn't break down.

00:14:02.840 But if enough people sort of catch on to, oh, well, this I can operate.

00:14:07.440 I can be the exception in the high trust thing.

00:14:10.260 And then enough people sort of do that.

00:14:13.160 And I think I think that the candidates who are on the stage are people who are like in a like post apocalyptic world where there's nobody.

00:14:20.520 Like nobody's in the store and they're like walking up to the front with their toothpaste.

00:14:24.060 And like looking around for a clerk, like ringing the bell, you know, and and hoping, wishing that this system was still going so that everything could be back to normal.

00:14:34.940 They could pretend that we live in high trust, that all of the rules that we were taught about how life works can continue on.

00:14:41.220 But sadly, it just isn't that way.

00:14:44.620 And I'm not, you know, obviously, we're not living in post apocalyptic world.

00:14:47.380 But as soon as those first signs, like the longer people hold on to the idea that we aren't headed there or at least going to where we're going to a low trust society, the longer their illusions are going to be intact.

00:14:59.440 So like the longer you hold on to it, the harder it is to let go of it.

00:15:03.320 And it's difficult.

00:15:04.660 It's difficult personally.

00:15:06.040 Yeah, no, I try to explain this to people all the time.

00:15:08.620 They're like, well, you know, I don't understand why the left keeps winning this thing.

00:15:12.060 They just hand out money to people and they never seem to have the consequences.

00:15:15.340 Like, yeah, because they're ready.

00:15:16.420 They know the treasury is open.

00:15:17.740 Like they they they know there's no one standing at the cash register.

00:15:20.800 They know there's no no security is not going to stop them on the way out the door.

00:15:23.660 The only question is, is your guys grab all the toothpaste or they grab all the toothpaste?

00:15:27.660 It's not a question where the toothpaste is going out the door if anyone's paying for it.

00:15:31.040 The answer is no.

00:15:32.180 So, you know, the question is, who's walking out the door with it?

00:15:35.600 That's a terrible situation to be in.

00:15:37.040 You hope that your society doesn't doesn't end up there. 1.00

00:15:39.120 But you're a fool to stand, you know, to keep standing at the counter while the other guy just runs out the door continuously. 0.96

00:15:45.460 But, yeah, no, I think it's very interesting that the one guy at the debate, like the one guy who's broken through, I think everybody kind of knew everyone else is a known quantity. 0.99

00:15:55.220 Right. You've got Nikki Haley and stuff like that, you know, who are just kind of the most obvious candidates in the world.

00:16:02.720 Mike Pence, people who just were always going to be kind of embarrassing the establishment.

00:16:07.400 We have Ron DeSantis, who's like, you know, he's somewhere in the middle.

00:16:11.220 He's competent. He knows what he's doing.

00:16:13.620 He clearly brushes the establishment the wrong way on certain things.

00:16:17.200 But he's not Trump. Right.

00:16:19.100 Like, and people know that, like he is he's he is the I want somebody who seems like they're pushing back the against the establishment, but isn't Trump guy.

00:16:27.820 And then you have Vivek. Right.

00:16:29.500 He kind of came out of nowhere for a lot of people.

00:16:32.480 And Vivek is the only one who's really seen, I think, significant poll movement in the forward direction, at least, because he's kind of out there doing like Trump light, I think, in a lot of ways.

00:16:44.400 And so I wonder what you think about that.

00:16:47.300 Do you do you know a lot of people have said he's a plant by by the by the Trump campaign to blow up DeSantis?

00:16:54.080 Other people think he's just running for like, you know, a cabinet position or maybe even vice president.

00:16:59.700 If he's very lucky, it's not like Pence is going back in that slot.

00:17:02.600 So what do you think about Vivek? Is he really on the outside?

00:17:05.800 Is he really think he's running? Is he looking for a position in a possible Trump situation?

00:17:09.280 Seems dangerous to run for a cabinet position in a White House where people are going to jail right now.

00:17:15.100 Yeah, well, and I like Vivek. I like I like what he says.

00:17:19.400 I think that people are also refreshed that he.

00:17:21.980 Yeah. So the reasons they like Trump was because it sounded like he was saying what he thought and not what somebody else cooked up for him.

00:17:28.620 I think that's exactly why people are flocking to Vivek.

00:17:30.780 Obviously, he's saying the same points.

00:17:32.980 So so the ideas are the same.

00:17:35.160 But he's also, again, at least acting like he's not bought and paid for, which I appreciate.

00:17:39.840 And it's good. It's at least good marketing.

00:17:41.660 But yeah, I think he's I think he's a smart guy.

00:17:44.820 I think he's capable as a politician, as a conversation partner, as an interview, which I mean, it's people.

00:17:52.480 People will try to downplay that.

00:17:54.580 And just because they like DeSantis's policies a little bit more or or they just want him or think that he'd be more of a threat.

00:18:00.400 But you can't really downplay his, again, ability to communicate clearly, his ability to show up on any show and be able to again, he shows up on CNN and they try to play a clip out of context.

00:18:12.040 He calls him out for it.

00:18:13.200 Those are great moves.

00:18:14.280 And it does it does move people.

00:18:16.280 I mean, I again, I won't speculate about whether he's a plant or whatever, but he is certainly, you know, he is better suited to be VP than Pence's or at least at least he's is he understands kind of what's going on.

00:18:34.580 So he understands that everybody there is kind of competing for the second spot and everybody who's trying to counter signal Trump is doing the opposite of that.

00:18:44.900 And yeah, so it's I think it's good for Vivek to do.

00:18:49.440 It's smart for him to do.

00:18:50.760 We'll again, we'll we'll I'll leave the like secret inner workings of it for speculation.

00:18:56.640 I'll go think about this after the show, though.

00:18:58.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:59.240 I mean, I think you're right that he's definitely the running the smartest plan, right?

00:19:03.680 Like everybody else is running on.

00:19:05.120 I'm not Trump and he's running on.

00:19:07.440 I'm Trump.

00:19:07.880 But you can't vote for Trump right now because whatever reason.

00:19:11.100 So, which is a good thing to do, because I think one of the delusions that the Republican Party had was that Trump had, you know, that Trump, their base temporarily supported Trump.

00:19:23.220 When the truth is, Trump had a base and the Republican Party didn't have one anymore.

00:19:28.720 And so they're very confused that like, oh, you just take Trump out of this equation.

00:19:32.600 And then everything kind of goes back to normal.

00:19:34.360 It's like, no, no, no, no.

00:19:35.180 These voters are not yours anymore.

00:19:36.480 You do not.

00:19:37.360 They're not yours anymore.

00:19:38.840 They go to Vivek.

00:19:40.240 They go to Tucker Carlson.

00:19:41.440 They go to somebody else who understands to talk to them.

00:19:44.120 But you've lost them.

00:19:45.240 Like, you know, no longer wield the kind of the mechanism over them.

00:19:49.780 And if Vivek is going for a cabinet position or going for VP or whatever that is, again, at least he's doing something.

00:19:56.900 At least he knows what he's doing.

00:19:58.540 And everybody else there is under the impression Nikki Haley and Tim Scott and Doug Bergman is under the impression that we're all here to try to get our poll numbers up.

00:20:09.660 Because when our poll numbers go up, then we become president.

00:20:13.000 And like that's that's just not what's happening there.

00:20:15.480 And I appreciate at least I'm assuming, again, that Vivek understands that.

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00:20:52.620 So before we get to the Trump shot, the Trump mug shot, I do want to talk to you about what you mentioned before, which a lot of people aren't focusing on, which is the 10 other people who were arrested in this, right?

00:21:07.780 Like most specifically, a lot of lawyers, people who advise Trump.

00:21:12.500 We've already seen this a lot, a number of obviously Trump cabinet officials and other people connected to the Trump campaign have been arrested or investigated, had their lives destroyed, kind of due to their connection. 0.77

00:21:29.180 Of course, from one side, the left will just say, oh, that's because they're all corrupt.

00:21:32.740 It just so happens that all of our political enemies happen to be corrupt.

00:21:36.360 How lucky for us.

00:21:37.440 Anyone who has any kind of real threat to us just happens to be a criminal.

00:21:42.080 Man, that's how amazingly convenient that just, you know, if we lock them away, it's totally justified. 0.97

00:21:46.680 But for anybody who's, you know, not complete slobbering idiot, like, obviously, like, it seems like there's a very real, you know, effort to criminalize any real opposition. 0.90

00:21:58.860 And especially when you start going after people's lawyers, like, now you just don't have Sixth Amendment, right? 0.96

00:22:03.700 Like, we've lost so many other amendments.

00:22:06.340 But now we're getting rid of, like, even the illusion that you're allowed to have an attorney represent you because any attorney who represents you is literally putting their freedom on the line.

00:22:17.520 Like, anybody who works for Trump advises him in any capacity could very well end up being, you know, criminally prosecuted for daring to be a part of this.

00:22:25.920 And we live in a regime, whether we like it or not, which is based on complex technical managerialism, which means you need to have tons of lawyers, tons of experts, cabinet officials, highly educated and credentialed people need to be part of basically everything you do every step of the way.

00:22:42.520 If you don't do this, you're going to get crushed by the procedure.

00:22:44.420 If anybody who works for you, anybody who has put all their time and all their effort and still managed to get out through all of these incredibly progressive educational systems and DA's offices and everything else and still be willing to work for a Republican, if they know that going and working for these people will immediately get them arrested or end up putting them through a process that kind of cost them a million or more dollars in attorney fees for themselves, who's ever going to defend this person?

00:23:12.460 Who's ever going to work for a Republican that actually threatens the system again?

00:23:16.340 Yeah. And the most recent case is all about lying.

00:23:20.240 So that's like the central issue.

00:23:21.980 Did Trump actually believe that what he was doing was rescuing the election from the bad guys?

00:23:27.100 Or did he think that he was sort of wanting people to find votes that weren't there?

00:23:33.360 That's at the center of it.

00:23:34.780 And then so he brings in other people to give him legal advice.

00:23:38.340 And so, number one, they have to prove that Trump thought something.

00:23:43.160 So they have to mind read him or find some kind of private conversation where he said something that is obviously saying that what I'm doing out here is lying.

00:23:51.320 And he's also got to talk, you know, also got to talk about the lawyers and the lawyers don't have to agree with their client.

00:23:59.280 Right.

00:23:59.820 Like they can't, the lawyer can see, oh, well, I, you know, whether I think this person's guilty, innocent, whatever, or whether I think that this election was the freest and the fairest, or they believe some crazy lie.

00:24:10.180 You know, if whatever they think they're there to help their client, and if whatever their private beliefs are, that's the worst thing that they can say, is that they were acting on something that they didn't believe.

00:24:22.200 They were giving him the best advice that they could.

00:24:24.720 And is that, has that become a crime?

00:24:27.300 I mean, and we'll see.

00:24:28.580 We'll see if that is enough, you know, believing something and helping your client to attain X is, again, here I go trying to apply general principles to this case.

00:24:40.380 But yeah, I mean, we'll, we'll see.

00:24:41.880 And, and it obviously is going after him because he is Donald Trump.

00:24:45.580 It's not like, no, nobody's going like, well, I guess lawyers can't do that anymore.

00:24:49.960 It's, it's what the, the specific end that he wanted.

00:24:53.380 And that's, that's the thing they want to stop.

00:24:55.380 Yeah.

00:24:55.440 The law is exactly just subject to the current political interpretation.

00:24:59.600 There's no, like you said, there's no general rule we can understand from this.

00:25:03.160 We can extract from, from this.

00:25:04.920 It's not applicable to everyone.

00:25:06.260 It's just because he happens to be in this particular.

00:25:08.860 Yeah.

00:25:09.280 It's yeah.

00:25:10.020 It's not that tweeting about OAN is illegal.

00:25:13.240 It's that him, him doing it at that time for that reason.

00:25:17.600 I have, I have encouraged people to watch OAN at least seven different times when I've appeared there.

00:25:23.940 So I might need to retain a council.

00:25:25.700 I don't know.

00:25:26.020 All right.

00:25:26.340 Come on.

00:25:26.920 It's all over for me guys.

00:25:28.380 It's all, I'll start my prison notebook.

00:25:30.860 I'll get my Gramsci.

00:25:32.080 Picture of the mugshot now.

00:25:33.280 Yeah.

00:25:33.540 Right.

00:25:33.800 Yeah.

00:25:34.020 I'm going to make sure I need to work on my blue steel before I end up in that situation.

00:25:38.040 Absolutely.

00:25:38.440 Well, how great was the face?

00:25:40.180 Oh yeah.

00:25:40.560 So yeah.

00:25:40.920 So now we actually get into the mugshot itself.

00:25:43.040 Right.

00:25:43.240 Yeah.

00:25:43.380 So, so obviously amazing mugshot, like whatever you think about it, like just like Trump knew

00:25:48.300 exactly what he was doing.

00:25:49.280 He went to practice that several times before he got in there, took exactly the Zoolander

00:25:54.480 face, threw it right up.

00:25:56.620 And the amazing thing about the mugshot is it's simultaneously like it really is the, the,

00:26:01.780 the Scott Adams, you know, two movies on one, two, two movies on one screen where you

00:26:07.340 got the exact same mugshot.

00:26:08.860 All the Trump supporters were, this is amazing.

00:26:11.500 They've destroyed themselves.

00:26:12.940 This is the end.

00:26:13.780 They'll never get Trump now. 0.98

00:26:14.960 He's an outlaw.

00:26:15.780 He's, he's a, he's a hero.

00:26:17.180 How, uh, you know, this shows how, how he's the rebel.

00:26:19.640 And, you know, this is going to be all of the anti-Trump people were like, he's a criminal. 0.60

00:26:24.160 It's over for him.

00:26:25.340 He'll never blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:26:27.000 What, what is this?

00:26:28.120 Did either of them have a legitimacy to what they're seeing at?

00:26:30.720 What does this mugshot actually do?

00:26:32.400 Do you think for him at the end of the day?

00:26:34.080 Yeah, it is almost like they could have just released a Rorschach test and then said that

00:26:38.320 was the mugshot.

00:26:39.180 Just put the ink lock up.

00:26:40.500 Exactly.

00:26:41.020 Yeah.

00:26:41.160 And everybody goes like, wow, Trump is the best or other people don't.

00:26:44.340 Yeah.

00:26:44.780 I think that it absolutely just makes people reinforced in what they believe that nobody's

00:26:49.920 mind was changed about their candidate based on, or about, about Trump based on that mugshot.

00:26:55.440 But you know, it, what it does do.

00:26:57.260 And I, that, that's, I think part of the issue we're, we're four indictments in, right?

00:27:02.340 This is the first mugshot.

00:27:03.760 And so did these other, like Jack Smith and, uh, all these guys, did they just have the

00:27:10.240 sense to know, ah, well, it's going to further reinforce people's loyalty.

00:27:15.360 So we don't want to do that.

00:27:16.700 And then Fannie Willis is just like, let's get him, let's do, do whatever it takes.

00:27:20.680 And I, I think that's probably what it is.

00:27:22.220 Yeah.

00:27:22.400 I was going to say, I, I am, I am on the size of side of incompetence here. 1.00

00:27:26.020 Like incompetence does seem the most likely, like guys, it's not stupid, stupidity or malice. 1.00

00:27:32.220 It can be both. 1.00

00:27:33.100 And here it is, it is most certainly outcomes razor.

00:27:36.060 No, you know, gone.

00:27:37.840 It's defeated.

00:27:39.100 Oh man.

00:27:40.160 But yeah, no, I, I really think it feels like it's something that they shouldn't have done.

00:27:44.060 Everybody else had a level of discipline.

00:27:46.540 I don't know that it helps Trump longterm, you know, with the American people, but, but

00:27:51.180 it seems like every other person involved in this process knew better.

00:27:54.580 And she was just like, no, like at that wild eyed girl boss, I'm taking, I mean, there 0.92

00:28:01.280 was a clip of the, like whatever sheriff or whatever, giving a presentation about it and

00:28:05.720 just going like, he's going to get a mug shot.

00:28:07.540 Like this is a smug look on his face.

00:28:09.780 So yeah, I don't think that they were sitting there going, you know, if, if they had the

00:28:13.380 restraint, if they would have had the restraint in that press conference, not to smirk, then

00:28:18.520 I would have thought, Ooh, maybe, maybe there, there is some big plan here, but, but at least

00:28:22.640 at least at that level, they don't have the self-control to hold themselves back.

00:28:27.120 So we know that the, obviously the debate took place.

00:28:30.760 Now Trump comes over the top from, from, you know, from the turnbuckle with the elbow and

00:28:35.620 just drops the Tucker Carlson interview.

00:28:37.580 Yeah.

00:28:38.140 It gets way more attention.

00:28:39.260 It gets way more views.

00:28:40.900 I'll say the interview didn't seem very impressive.

00:28:43.600 He seemed old, honestly, like Trump seemed old and tired, which makes perfect sense.

00:28:48.540 Both of these guys should be sitting on a, on a, you know, uh, a porch somewhere with a

00:28:53.560 rocking chair and a nice pillow and a, and a good blanket and handing out Werther's to

00:28:57.380 any, uh, you know, uh, kind young women who happened to walk by like, like that, that's, 1.00

00:29:03.360 that's the stage of life that both of these guys deserve the coziest.

00:29:06.760 Right, right, right.

00:29:07.600 Exactly.

00:29:08.440 Um, and, and so it's very confusing that both of these guys are like in the position they're

00:29:13.020 in, but I mean, Trump obviously is, is much more there than Biden, but, but he, he does.

00:29:18.200 He seems to have kind of lost a step a little bit.

00:29:20.280 Maybe that's good.

00:29:20.920 I mean, the, the love, the, the speed at which Trump traveled, perhaps, perhaps, uh, you

00:29:24.940 know, taking the, the, the foot just slightly off the pedal is, is an improvement overall.

00:29:29.200 Um, but, but the thing that happens is not so much, it's not really that, you know, like

00:29:33.040 you said in your video, it's not that Trump did it at all.

00:29:35.640 It's, it, or it's not what Trump said.

00:29:37.280 It's that he did it, you know, and, uh, and, and that kind of changes things.

00:29:41.340 What do you think that does for the process going forward?

00:29:43.860 Like, obviously you're probably not just going to have, uh, you know, a guy with Trump's

00:29:48.040 popularity, like popping on, you know, an alternative platform for destroy all debates from here

00:29:53.180 on out.

00:29:53.580 But like, what do you think the fact that like the, the entire process can be just upstaged

00:29:58.360 by a random internet broadcast do to the idea that like this formal process of, of, uh, you

00:30:05.600 know, like the GOP, uh, uh, selection process, like really matter.

00:30:10.040 Well, it's obviously a point about media and we can obviously say like, it's obviously a

00:30:14.260 point about Twitter versus Fox news.

00:30:16.420 And I think rumble was also, uh, there, uh, the GOP was streaming on rumble.

00:30:21.080 And so it's, it's a comment about where things are going media wise.

00:30:24.700 It's also a huge comment on the importance of personalities.

00:30:28.360 So it's, it's not like anybody, it's not like, uh, if Tim Scott would have, would have

00:30:34.160 decided to get an interview with, uh, I don't know, Chris Wallace and they, they decided

00:30:38.920 that they were going to go to the process.

00:30:40.700 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:41.560 We're not watching the debate.

00:30:42.580 We're going to watch Tim Scott, you know, he's on Twitter or X.

00:30:46.080 Yeah.

00:30:46.340 So that, that it's not entirely a position on, on, uh, just, just the media.

00:30:52.320 It's not that this is just inherently better.

00:30:54.020 It's that it is a way around the official process for people that people already care

00:30:58.980 about.

00:30:59.900 Um, I think, I think that's probably the biggest lesson is that no matter, I mean, you said

00:31:05.260 this before, no matter what we might think politics is about loyalty and it is,

00:31:10.680 it is about personalities.

00:31:12.100 And so people have more loyalty to Trump than they do to the entire group of people standing

00:31:17.860 there on that stage.

00:31:19.520 It's just the case.

00:31:20.420 I mean, we, we can just see that in the numbers.

00:31:22.020 We can see that in terms of votes.

00:31:23.400 I mean, like, you know, Trump getting, yeah.

00:31:25.580 Trump getting all those votes in 2020 is not nothing and it's more votes than any of the

00:31:30.000 other people standing there have ever gotten.

00:31:32.020 So again, it's, yeah, it's media and its personality both at the same time.

00:31:35.900 Yeah.

00:31:35.980 I think that's a critical point.

00:31:37.200 Like there, I know this scares people a lot, but it's just what it is.

00:31:40.980 Like when the process is the problem, you need something that can be above the process.

00:31:45.720 Right.

00:31:46.040 And at this point it is personality.

00:31:47.680 It's, it's, it's not loyalty to a party.

00:31:50.040 It's not loyalty to an ideology.

00:31:51.940 It's loyalty to one guy who promised to do things and take care of it.

00:31:56.460 Right.

00:31:56.980 And, and, and the system destroyed him for doing it.

00:31:59.960 Right.

00:32:00.460 That it's, it's hard to get past that reality with people.

00:32:03.460 You, you talk to these people and you know, I am in a neighborhood where the Trump flags

00:32:08.420 never came down, you know, to, to this day, there's at least 10 houses just within two

00:32:13.820 streets of me where the majority of the decor around their houses is Trump.

00:32:18.080 You know, I voted Trump.

00:32:18.920 Don't blame me stuff.

00:32:19.840 Right.

00:32:20.000 And, and so like this, this is a real thing and whether I don't think, honestly, I don't

00:32:24.900 think Trump deserves it.

00:32:25.940 Like I really don't.

00:32:26.900 Like, I think he's an imperfect vessel for this.

00:32:30.000 I think this is how desperate people are that they'll, they'll entrust this to someone like

00:32:34.340 Trump because they're just desperate for anybody who even smells like they might, you

00:32:38.260 know, kind of, you know, be worthy of this.

00:32:40.800 But, you know, when, when you're looking at a process like this and you have a personality

00:32:44.520 like Trump's, you, you can stand above it.

00:32:47.160 Right.

00:32:47.340 You can stand above something that's obviously sick and decaying and dying and becoming irrelevant.

00:32:51.740 And something like Tucker's interview allows a person like that to step beyond the oligarchy,

00:32:58.180 step beyond the machine and say, I'm going to interface directly with these people.

00:33:01.820 So like you said, Asa Hutchinson doesn't get to do this, right?

00:33:04.640 That doesn't, that doesn't, you know, that doesn't really work for him.

00:33:08.640 But if you have the right combination, if you have the person touching the right voter

00:33:12.720 base, working with the right platform, it is still possible to kind of escape from kind

00:33:18.080 of the media circus and its controlled environment.

00:33:20.440 Yeah.

00:33:20.740 Well, we've got a guy up here.

00:33:22.660 I mean, I'm in Northern Idaho.

00:33:24.200 We've got a guy who drives around constantly.

00:33:26.500 I don't know if he has a job, but he like, he just drives around with two flags.

00:33:30.260 One says like Trump 2024 and the other says FJB.

00:33:33.940 So like that guy.

00:33:35.120 And if I were to like wave that guy down, stop him and say like, Hey, who do you think

00:33:38.680 won the debate?

00:33:40.560 He doesn't care.

00:33:41.760 Right.

00:33:42.140 Like he knows who he's voting for.

00:33:43.760 He knows who he's, who he's excited about because he has personal loyalty to this guy.

00:33:47.460 And I was going to say, Oh, wouldn't it would be great if we could all be just pure like

00:33:52.820 ideologues and have our brains floating around and just pick everybody like all the brains

00:33:57.860 that think this way, go over here, but it wouldn't be great.

00:34:00.740 No, it would not.

00:34:01.860 It would actually be an entire, like it would cut us all off.

00:34:05.500 We've talked before about CS Lewis and the abolition of man.

00:34:08.320 Like we are not just heads and we need loyalties.

00:34:11.780 We need like things that tie us together.

00:34:13.860 And yeah, it is sort of sad that there is all of this personal loyalty to Trump.

00:34:20.560 He's not, again, I don't think he deserves it either.

00:34:23.040 I agree with you.

00:34:24.580 But it does speak to people personally that is going to be expressed in views on whatever

00:34:30.340 platform.

00:34:31.100 So he was, he was on the Fox news debate in 2015, even when he wasn't as popular as he

00:34:36.120 is now.

00:34:36.700 And they got record views again.

00:34:38.820 So they're following personalities.

00:34:40.900 I'm, I'm glad that the avenues exist.

00:34:44.120 To, to circumvent all this stuff.

00:34:46.200 Cause otherwise, yeah.

00:34:46.960 I mean, do you have a, uh, sort of like another event?

00:34:51.220 Like if, if the internet didn't exist, if Twitter didn't exist and Tucker hadn't just

00:34:54.600 been fired, then what else would he do?

00:34:57.060 He just hosted rally.

00:34:58.900 And that wouldn't have the exact amount of impact.

00:35:01.420 Again, it wouldn't matter the content.

00:35:02.840 It would matter.

00:35:03.360 What matters is the competition.

00:35:05.140 And I mean, I think he clearly won with eyeballs, those votes.

00:35:09.520 Right.

00:35:09.620 And then, yeah, I think that's, that's really key because again, people say, oh, well, it's

00:35:14.220 not principled to be loyal to like one guy.

00:35:16.680 It's like, well, it is principled that what you're talking about is ideology and ideology.

00:35:21.140 The thing about loyalty to ideology is it's slippery.

00:35:23.440 It can always be slightly tweaked.

00:35:24.960 It can always be recombined and recon adjusted.

00:35:27.620 It can always be redefined to make it okay to betray somebody, but like loyalty to particular

00:35:33.200 people is required, requires you to go somewhere else.

00:35:37.080 Right.

00:35:37.340 It requires you to, to, to see bonds of a person.

00:35:40.920 And, uh, you know, that, that, that's, that's why it's so easy for people to betray their families

00:35:45.760 today.

00:35:46.080 Right.

00:35:46.420 Like, oh, you don't agree the current progressive NPC talking point.

00:35:49.600 Well, then it's more than fine for me to disown you.

00:35:51.780 I don't have to take care of my parents when they get old.

00:35:53.760 I don't have to worry about, you know, uh, you know what they think.

00:35:57.200 I don't have to live under these rules because at the end of the day, uh, my loyalty to the

00:36:01.520 regime frees me from my dependency, my loyalty to my family, my religion, my community.

00:36:07.140 Right.

00:36:07.720 And so there's always a reason to defect because in principle, I'm a principled person.

00:36:12.780 I can just, you know, find a reason why these people are unworthy of, of, of my sacrifice,

00:36:17.840 my time, my, my, uh, commitment.

00:36:20.340 And so, uh, you know, again, I know it worries people, but like when you have a person in that

00:36:25.660 scenario, uh, you don't have that ability to wiggle as much, which doesn't mean that

00:36:30.340 person just is, you know, doesn't have to earn it.

00:36:32.520 Does it again?

00:36:33.260 I don't think Trump really has, has earned it.

00:36:36.000 I don't think, uh, he really, uh, deserves what he has, but they should have, but I, but

00:36:40.880 I encourage people, even if you hate Trump to observe the phenomenon, like even, even

00:36:45.360 if you, you know, have a little bit of the, here's, here's my Machiavellian guys, like,

00:36:49.200 like, like draw back a little bit.

00:36:51.200 And rather than focusing on, you know, who Trump is or whether he deserves this or whether

00:36:55.660 he's got the policy chops or the, you know, whatever to get this through and get the job

00:37:00.180 done, stop staring just directly at your emotional, you know, love or hate, uh, even looking at

00:37:05.640 Trump's record, pull back and understand the forces behind Trump and understand why they

00:37:10.740 aren't the forces behind DeSantis or Haley or, or, you know, Tim Scott, I think Tim Scott's

00:37:16.400 like a nice guy, like the difference between Tim Scott and everybody else in that, um, in

00:37:21.320 that, uh, uh, the summit event was that I think Tim Scott, even though he was embarrassing,

00:37:25.760 like shared the values of the people in the room as we're like everybody else there was

00:37:31.200 just like, obviously they don't care about people, right?

00:37:33.960 Like, like, like you're not a defense crack contractor.

00:37:37.000 None of you can get me, uh, can get me, uh, on a corporate board.

00:37:40.280 Like, you know, like it's very clear that they're just working through, you know, all of

00:37:44.080 the check marks that they need to, as we're like, you know, he at least, at least felt

00:37:47.980 like, you know, he's somebody who would go to church with these people on Sunday, right?

00:37:52.880 Right.

00:37:53.220 And mean it.

00:37:54.160 Um, but, but it's just interesting that, uh, that, yeah, that, that this, this, uh, loyalty

00:38:00.280 to, to a person, even if you don't like that person, uh, just understand where that energy

00:38:06.140 comes from and then why it won't transfer to, again, somebody like DeSantis, somebody like

00:38:10.800 hate something like that.

00:38:11.820 Yeah.

00:38:12.240 Well, and, and what you just said about, uh, loyalty, you said loyalty, like it's not just

00:38:16.560 that the left is loyal to ideology and the right is loyal to people.

00:38:19.820 It's that people are loyal to people or, and, and that is true of the left too.

00:38:25.340 So it's not true that like the left just has these principles that they're aspiring to.

00:38:30.340 And as long as they're consistent with that ideology, they're actually loyal to the regime.

00:38:35.160 Just like you said, they, they, they value the, uh, the, uh, opinion of the regime over

00:38:41.680 the value of their family, or they value the opinion of the regime over the, their church.

00:38:46.140 And so they get to deconstruct and they get to leave their, leave all of their like local 0.99

00:38:51.080 ties, their unchosen bonds.

00:38:52.720 And so, yeah, they get to choose their, their loyalty now to, to the regime.

00:38:57.620 And, and if you understand that, then you can again, under understand that we're not operating

00:39:02.500 in a, like the kind of thing where, again, you go on and you take an online quiz and

00:39:06.420 it's this impersonal percentage point.

00:39:08.400 And that decides who you need to vote for because they express your opinions better.

00:39:13.880 So now I guess let's get to the post mugshot fallout.

00:39:18.180 So the, the next thing that's happened that, uh, has, has kind of made what's already a cartoonish

00:39:23.680 process, even more cartoonish is now we have judges like battling to be the very first one

00:39:29.380 to be allowed to mess with the election, like, which is already like you're obviously, and

00:39:34.120 guys, I hate to share, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to shatter the, the, the,

00:39:37.880 the hearts of some people here, but you know, like, like we've already talked about, you

00:39:41.100 know, the elections of, of 2000 is free and as fair as they are, uh, they're going to continue

00:39:45.300 to be, or, or be increasingly more free and fair.

00:39:48.660 Uh, there was this, there was this narrative illusion that like, that, you know, Trump was

00:39:53.160 a specific anomaly and 2000 was, was a one-time thing.

00:39:56.840 And even though, you know, a lot of people who would admit that it's wrong would say,

00:40:00.640 oh, but they're not going to have the energy to do this again.

00:40:02.660 Right.

00:40:02.880 They're, they're never going to have the, they're never going to have the focus, you

00:40:05.760 know, that they, they all came together in this one moment, but they can't do that every

00:40:09.040 election.

00:40:09.460 Right.

00:40:09.980 And then literally one election later, they're trying to lock people into prison.

00:40:13.400 And so like people who are, people are still repeating that narrative.

00:40:16.520 They're still saying like, oh, they're, they're, they're not going to try to, to fortify

00:40:20.180 this election after, you know, there's just no way they can coordinate that again.

00:40:23.160 Like literally as they're watching four different indictments go through on the majority, on

00:40:28.500 like the leading candidate of the opposition party.

00:40:31.160 Yeah.

00:40:31.580 You don't have to speculate.

00:40:32.520 Yeah.

00:40:32.780 It's happening.

00:40:33.840 Yeah.

00:40:34.360 We don't, you know, years out, we're already in this place.

00:40:38.720 Like, like, sorry, but the energy is going to be there for a minute.

00:40:41.460 Like, like, like I hate to break this to everybody, but, um, you know, obviously we

00:40:46.800 have, uh, you know, the, the, the, uh, judge in, uh, Georgia wanted to, you know, the, the

00:40:53.280 most recent indictment, the one from which the mugshot came, mugshot came from, uh, wanted

00:40:57.880 to hold the trial, uh, the day before super Tuesday, right?

00:41:01.880 Like right, right before, um, you know, just happened, uh, could have, could have been scheduled

00:41:06.540 any given day, but just happened to be the day before, uh, the most important campaigning

00:41:11.740 day of any primary candidate.

00:41:14.100 Whoopsie daisy.

00:41:14.820 How did this possibly happen?

00:41:16.400 Uh, the, the governor of Georgia was like, no, you know, we're not doing brackets.

00:41:19.920 Like, no, we're not, we're in.

00:41:21.400 And so the DC judge is just like, actually, uh, well, we've got an indictment too.

00:41:26.620 And we also just happened to have this one slot open on exactly this day, right before super

00:41:32.620 Tuesday.

00:41:33.300 Amazing coincidence.

00:41:34.340 I don't know how the scheduling here happened.

00:41:36.340 So now that you guys aren't putting them in, we'll just put, you know, pencil in for exactly

00:41:40.360 the same day again, just randomly.

00:41:43.620 No, no, you know, nothing, but, but kind of at this point, like, I don't know, I guess

00:41:48.520 I don't have a question here other than who were we kidding, right?

00:41:51.100 Like, like, like, who are we kidding with this at this point?

00:41:53.940 Yeah, no, it is hilarious that they can be quite, as long as they don't say it out loud,

00:41:58.600 that that's what they're doing, then everything can continue on.

00:42:00.980 And then everybody gets to pretend that there is some amount of, uh, coincidence in it all.

00:42:05.000 And, and it is, it is an odd thing.

00:42:07.160 You know, I, I, I wonder what the conversations are like in the other GOP candidate camps or

00:42:12.440 the, are they going like, yes, right.

00:42:14.840 Are they, are they at some level relieved?

00:42:16.680 Like, oh, cool.

00:42:17.860 He's surely they'll never come for me.

00:42:19.800 You know, like I've like, I'm, I'm faster than this guy.

00:42:22.860 The bear is feeding the crocodile last.

00:42:24.540 Exactly.

00:42:25.020 Yeah.

00:42:25.180 Don't worry about it.

00:42:26.140 Yeah.

00:42:26.440 No, it's like that.

00:42:27.220 I, I assume that that's what's happening.

00:42:28.880 I hope not.

00:42:29.760 You know, I, I hope that all these guys are maybe not in Tim Scott's case.

00:42:32.780 You said he's a nice guy.

00:42:33.720 So I don't know.

00:42:34.540 He's like I said, he just seemed like the, he seemed like the one human on stage that like

00:42:38.560 actually, you know, cared about the values of the people he was talking.

00:42:43.500 And he, yeah, he wasn't as polished, but that was kind of endearing.

00:42:46.800 Sure.

00:42:46.960 Right.

00:42:47.280 Right.

00:42:47.540 Right.

00:42:47.800 Yeah.

00:42:47.960 Like, yeah.

00:42:48.380 Like you said, it's embarrassing.

00:42:49.460 Like he's just kind of randomly like standing up and like, you know, thrusting in front of

00:42:53.640 Tucker Carlson in very odd ways on his way to walk across the stage and like, you know,

00:42:58.340 face everybody.

00:42:59.080 It was, it was definitely one for the cringe bin, but at least, like I said, at least he, it

00:43:03.280 felt like, you know, that's because he was nervous, not because he just didn't care.

00:43:07.840 It wasn't, he wasn't immediately pivoting into like, well, that's not really my concern.

00:43:11.880 How many tanks can I cram into the head of a pin in Ukraine?

00:43:15.380 You know, like that, that, that was not his immediate pivot on every question.

00:43:18.860 So, um, good for Tim.

00:43:20.740 Yeah.

00:43:22.000 It's a low bar, but he cleared it admirably.

00:43:25.140 So I want to, I want to give him some credit for it.

00:43:27.140 Um, but yeah, so I guess, you know, we continue to see this kind of cartoon, uh, role of the

00:43:34.220 process rolling out with the, with the indictment dates and everything.

00:43:38.000 Like you said, as long as no one kind of says out loud what's happening, apparently the GOP

00:43:42.920 process that, you know, is just going to continue to pretend like this.

00:43:45.840 Oh, you know, the most important thing isn't the indictment.

00:43:48.800 It's a, you know, it's retirement reform or something like that.

00:43:51.920 So obviously a lot of this is going to hinge on what happens with Trump, even though even

00:43:58.340 let him run.

00:43:59.600 But, but I guess the next big barrier is you have a number of people, even some people from

00:44:05.400 the GOP, I believe, uh, there's like a, a DA somewhere in Massachusetts or something

00:44:10.240 who's a Republican, but, uh, but they're looking as to whether or not Trump can be removed from

00:44:14.440 the ballot due to the 14th amendment, right?

00:44:16.820 Because 14th amendment after the civil war, one of the things it says is if you, uh, were

00:44:21.420 involved in an insurrection, you can't run for president.

00:44:24.660 And it's really the only qualification where you can't, most people don't know this, but

00:44:28.660 you can run for president from jail, uh, after committing murder.

00:44:31.900 Like the, the requirements for, for being president or you have to be 35, you gotta, uh, be born in 0.68

00:44:37.480 the United States and you have to live here for 14 years.

00:44:40.460 That's it.

00:44:41.180 That's the entirety of the thing.

00:44:43.000 You don't need anything else.

00:44:44.000 And so like the 14th amendment is really the only addendum to that.

00:44:47.300 And it, you know, and that's the reason, you know, I try to explain to people like insurrection

00:44:51.820 was not a random, you know, they, you never heard anyone use the word insurrection until

00:44:56.820 J six.

00:44:57.400 And then all of a sudden magically everyone, you know, got on the same page and every media

00:45:02.580 outlet and every democratic politician just somehow knew that January six was the, was

00:45:06.800 the, you know, it was an insurrection.

00:45:08.340 That was the term to use.

00:45:09.400 Never, never heard it before from any of these people, but all of a sudden they knew it was

00:45:12.440 key and that's because legally in the 14th amendment, if you can get it qualified as

00:45:16.940 one, technically the person shouldn't be able to qualify.

00:45:20.520 Yeah.

00:45:20.840 Well, and there are statutes that it's like, okay, well they could have charged him with

00:45:25.780 insurrection.

00:45:26.720 Right.

00:45:27.320 Right.

00:45:27.800 Like that was an option, but none of these are, it's sort of a like roundabout way of trying

00:45:33.460 to say that that's what he was doing.

00:45:34.940 But again, like if he's not convicted of insurrection, can you still say that he committed one in

00:45:41.420 for the, for the purposes of the 14th amendment?

00:45:44.300 I, again, like it's all, it all just feels like everybody's pushing as hard as they can

00:45:47.800 to try to like, yeah, it's, it, it is not a, an above board process.

00:45:51.860 I know I'm not telling the audience anything new.

00:45:54.300 Yeah.

00:45:55.020 It's really a, uh, whatever sticks, right?

00:45:58.900 Like it's, I don't think anyone really expects any one of these things to be the key that

00:46:03.960 takes him down.

00:46:04.960 They're just throwing everything against wall.

00:46:06.660 Though I have seen the people who think that like the Democrats are desperately hoping for

00:46:10.040 John Trump, they're saying like, oh, well the only reason he wouldn't charge, they wouldn't

00:46:13.920 charge him with insurrection is because they wanted him to be the candidate.

00:46:16.540 Right.

00:46:16.700 So like that's the reason that they didn't charge him is they still wanted him to legally

00:46:20.300 be able to run, uh, because they knew that like, you know, indicting him would make

00:46:24.120 him unelectable, but if, but they still wanted him to still be the candidate.

00:46:28.040 So they didn't, they just went with all the Rico charges.

00:46:30.660 They didn't, uh, hit him with, uh, with that.

00:46:33.300 So, uh, again, again, Trump, not popular enough for the left.

00:46:36.560 Right.

00:46:36.960 I really wish he were more popular.

00:46:38.800 Yeah.

00:46:39.240 Yeah.

00:46:39.700 Yeah.

00:46:39.900 That, that seems to be the going theory at least.

00:46:42.000 So, but, but yeah, it is, it is fascinating that you, you kind of have these legal, uh,

00:46:46.640 these legal machinations is still, you know, how I don't even know how we're going to

00:46:51.160 get to 2024, man.

00:46:52.300 Like, I don't know.

00:46:53.120 I'm trying to, I, I'm, I'm really looking at the country and I'm just like, how do, how do we continue

00:46:57.460 to pretend there's a legal process in the, in the next year or so?

00:47:01.460 Well, anybody who like gives you some kind of specific, this is going to happen right

00:47:05.460 after this happens is just guessing, you know, like, and, and so anybody who says some kind

00:47:09.640 of confident, Oh, this is exactly how 2024 is going to look.

00:47:13.520 No, I mean, we just, we just don't know.

00:47:15.700 And like, okay, so Trump, let's say Trump is the nominee.

00:47:19.840 I assume that's what's going to happen.

00:47:21.440 And then he loses.

00:47:22.980 You've got, you know, arguably half the country, uh, who likes him and thinks that their vote

00:47:29.660 doesn't count twice.

00:47:31.660 Right.

00:47:32.420 That's bad news.

00:47:33.380 And like, that's like, and, and some of those people are in power.

00:47:38.560 Some of those people have like, are state governors?

00:47:42.140 What do they do?

00:47:43.760 And, and again, we're right.

00:47:45.160 We still have like state, the States are still the people who are in charge of these elections.

00:47:50.480 And, and it's, it's, you know, we've got lots of, everybody starts talking about all of our

00:47:54.900 options for how to deal with this whole, like all of the freeness and the fairness.

00:47:59.100 Right.

00:48:00.160 And everybody starts to think like, oh, but we, we shouldn't cheat.

00:48:03.280 Like we shouldn't, we, we don't want to do the thing that they're doing because of X.

00:48:07.680 And I understand that, but we're, we're not even doing everything that we could do legally.

00:48:11.680 Like you were talking about earlier, there's all of these state governors.

00:48:14.440 No, nobody's really pushing hard.

00:48:16.260 And the people who are on the stage evidently don't think it's enough of a big issue to be

00:48:20.040 able to even bring it up at the debate.

00:48:22.620 And if again, like, obviously they didn't talk about it in the first one, but if they don't

00:48:26.420 talk about it in the second one, then they're again, second time.

00:48:29.560 Ignoring the only issue of the election, which is the election.

00:48:32.900 I thought this is, is really weird that we didn't get a lot of this.

00:48:36.140 Like DeSantis isn't just sitting on this because he's one of the few governors that did clean

00:48:39.340 up the electoral process for the most part in Florida.

00:48:42.040 Like, like to his credit, uh, one of the things that he did that, that most other governors

00:48:46.880 did not do is he saw the problem with this and he said, all right, nope, we're rolling back

00:48:50.560 as much of this as possible.

00:48:52.240 Why doesn't he spend all of his time talking about this?

00:48:54.500 Why doesn't he hit like that?

00:48:55.820 Just nonstop.

00:48:56.620 It's like, I am an active governor working to remove this, you know, this corruption from

00:49:02.100 our process while everybody else is, you know, talking about Ukraine or whatever.

00:49:06.280 I'm talking about fixing legitimacy of our elections, uh, while Donald Trump wants to,

00:49:11.720 you know, pontificate about where he should be with it.

00:49:14.220 Like I'm actively taking, like, it seems like the easiest thing in the world for him to

00:49:19.640 run on.

00:49:20.220 And it's a critical issue and he still won't touch it.

00:49:24.520 And, and you don't have to convince people that it matters.

00:49:27.560 They already know that.

00:49:28.720 Like they're, they're looking at this election that they voted in.

00:49:32.360 And at least some of them think that there was enough of a problem that there was action

00:49:36.300 that needed to be taken.

00:49:38.060 And so again, you don't have to take in this in way, in the way that people are trying to

00:49:42.280 like, are talking about like, this is why the Ukraine war is in the interest of, in America's

00:49:47.480 interest for us to be involved in doing that.

00:49:49.340 You don't have to convince people in that way to talk about election rules.

00:49:53.580 Right.

00:49:54.100 And so, yeah, it just, again, it seems like a hundred dollar bill sitting in the middle

00:49:56.900 of the street and yeah, DeSantis, I assume it's people in his ears saying like, don't

00:50:01.820 come off as a conspiracy theorist.

00:50:03.520 Uh, you don't want to be lumped in with this guy you're focusing.

00:50:06.380 And he, he has been told also like, don't talk about 2020 or 2021, talk about 2024, the

00:50:12.660 future, you're, you know, our best days lie ahead.

00:50:15.040 And I think that that's, I think it's a mistake.

00:50:17.580 Like how he hasn't fired every campaign consultant he has twice.

00:50:20.880 I don't, I don't know.

00:50:21.580 Like, it's like, he used to be so good at picking up a hundred dollars.

00:50:24.420 Literally.

00:50:24.800 That's what he did.

00:50:25.440 He's just like, oh man, uh, that thing's super easy.

00:50:28.780 I ban that.

00:50:29.680 Oh, Disney.

00:50:30.860 We hate them.

00:50:31.440 Oh, you don't get those tax breaks anymore.

00:50:32.860 You're just, just picking them up all day long.

00:50:34.660 That's what he did.

00:50:35.520 And then, you know, who, who is telling him this?

00:50:37.780 Just one, one of the great, this, this is a Napoleon invading, uh, Russia in the winter,

00:50:42.900 you know, level of blunder.

00:50:44.780 That's just amazing to hold.

00:50:46.860 Um, but, but anyway, uh, so I had one more thing I wanted to get to before we went to

00:50:53.680 and now making fun of campaign consultants evacuated.

00:50:57.780 Well, I'll just, I'll continue your point.

00:50:59.800 The, uh, the thing about campaign consultants, I think that like DeSantis seems nervous now,

00:51:05.620 which is something I haven't seen him ever be like, he's a, he's a good public speaker.

00:51:09.880 He knows how to relate to people.

00:51:11.120 He's not.

00:51:11.800 And, and I understand that he doesn't like being on the campaign trail and there's, you

00:51:15.180 know, that's pretty obvious that he's not exactly happy having to do every single

00:51:18.360 stop, but he doesn't, he never seemed nervous this way.

00:51:21.560 And I, I, yeah, I think that that has to be that there's a bunch of dialogue going on

00:51:26.160 in his head and he's trying not to step on landmines.

00:51:29.900 And I, yeah, I think that's a, again, uh, like whoever those people are, let's fire him

00:51:34.040 twice.

00:51:34.780 Yeah.

00:51:35.060 I, he was, people forget this, but like one of the reasons he gained, uh, some notoriety

00:51:40.920 was not just as effective policy prescriptions, but the fact that he handled the press really

00:51:45.520 well.

00:51:45.800 Like he got into, you know, uh, press conferences, he made fun of reporters, you know, he did,

00:51:50.680 he did the Trump thing, right?

00:51:51.780 Like he, he, he mauled the media for the crowd.

00:51:54.180 Um, he, he was able to play it, you know, he was never as good as Trump, but he's pretty

00:51:58.920 good.

00:51:59.220 Like he had, he had a, he had a good way about him.

00:52:01.940 And then now we get like that, the, the slow half smile of horror doom thing, you know,

00:52:07.060 and it's just like, you know, what happened?

00:52:09.520 Like, like, you know, it's yeah, it's, it's, it's a travesty.

00:52:13.000 It really is.

00:52:13.780 I hate to see that level of potential blown up, but I guess, uh, I guess, I guess there's

00:52:18.400 just nothing that, uh, that could be done there.

00:52:20.160 You hear the whisper in your ear and.

00:52:21.640 Yeah.

00:52:22.400 Well, I mean, good news is it does sound like he's going to stay in Florida.

00:52:25.260 So yeah, we can, we will continue.

00:52:27.660 Well, that's an interesting aspect too, you know, depending on how this hurricane goes,

00:52:31.640 uh, you know, he, uh, obviously, uh, started with one down here last year, but, uh, you know,

00:52:38.740 depending on the severity of the hurricane, he might need to focus.

00:52:41.000 That's going to pull him away from the campaign trail.

00:52:43.540 You don't want to be campaigning while your state is going through a major natural disaster.

00:52:48.120 So that, that'll be nothing to really say about that.

00:52:50.920 Just something to note for, uh, for, for kind of the upcoming.

00:52:54.640 All right, Wade.

00:52:55.420 Well, we're going to go ahead and take a look at the questions of the people here.

00:52:58.500 It looks like we got a super chatter too, but before we do that, can you please tell people

00:53:01.700 to find your hilarious work?

00:53:03.600 Well, thank you so much.

00:53:04.440 I'm glad you like it.

00:53:05.160 The Wade show with Wade is the name of the show.

00:53:07.200 Uh, search it on YouTube.

00:53:08.380 I believe it's, let's see.

00:53:09.560 It's right here.

00:53:10.260 Wade show with Wade.

00:53:11.180 Search that on YouTube and, uh, follow me on Twitter, Wade Stotts.

00:53:14.620 And, uh, that's, that's where you can find me.

00:53:16.700 Yeah.

00:53:17.060 A lot of people were asking the, the, the question, who is the host of the Wade show?

00:53:22.220 Now all secrets have been.

00:53:23.640 Well, yeah.

00:53:24.260 I mean, Oren here, he does put his show, his name in the show, but I got it twice.

00:53:28.100 So yeah.

00:53:29.140 Yeah.

00:53:29.340 It's superior.

00:53:30.380 You're obviously better at branding than I am.

00:53:32.260 I, you know, uh, I'll make sure that the blaze takes this under advisement.

00:53:36.060 All right.

00:53:36.360 So, uh, Amplier for, I'm sorry.

00:53:40.480 I'm, I know I pronounced all of your weird AEs incorrectly there, but, uh, uh,

00:53:44.500 question for $5 here, the GOP doesn't understand the loyalty of Trump's base because they've

00:53:48.880 never have been that loyal to their own base.

00:53:52.140 I mean, that is most certainly true, right?

00:53:53.640 Like the, the GOP treats their base, uh, much better, uh, or much worse than the average

00:53:58.860 abused spouse.

00:53:59.660 Uh, yeah, the, the, the spouse with abusive alcoholic has a much better keeper than, than

00:54:05.200 the GOP base.

00:54:06.000 So, uh, that, that is, uh, a one reason that loyalty is incredibly confusing to them.

00:54:11.200 Yeah.

00:54:12.300 Yeah.

00:54:12.660 And not just loyalty to an ideology again, like the, they're not loyal to their base.

00:54:16.280 They're loyal to sort of their donors, number one.

00:54:18.320 And then also like, if they're, if they're trying to be not donor centric, then they're

00:54:22.320 ideologically pure and trying to be like, well, I, I aligned the most with Mises.

00:54:26.740 That's me.

00:54:27.720 I mean, if they would just try to align with Mises, we might be slightly better off, but 0.97

00:54:31.900 yeah.

00:54:32.160 Oh, sure.

00:54:32.420 Yeah.

00:54:32.720 Right.

00:54:33.160 If you're going to be aligned with something, but yeah.

00:54:35.960 Yeah.

00:54:36.460 If you're, if you're competing for Mises's vote, then you're like, great, cool.

00:54:40.640 But yeah, people, yeah.

00:54:42.120 People, uh, are, are more central than ideas.

00:54:45.660 Yeah.

00:54:45.700 We're, we're never going to get the condition of England question from, from the Republican

00:54:49.120 party.

00:54:49.520 They're never the condition, the condition of Alabama is just never going to, going to be

00:54:53.840 the thing that they ask, unfortunately.

00:54:55.580 Uh, and until someone does, they're, they're never really going to understand, uh, what politics

00:54:59.860 is all about.

00:55:00.840 All right, guys.

00:55:01.700 So that said, thank you everybody for coming by, uh, had a great time talking to Wade again,

00:55:07.340 make sure that you check out his show.

00:55:09.080 Uh, thank you everybody who is joining us.

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00:55:29.080 Bye.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - August 29, 2023

Mug-Shot Madness ｜ Guest： Wade Stotts ｜ 8⧸29⧸23

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