The Auron MacIntyre Show - Multipolarity and the End of Postmodernism ｜ Guest： Alexander Dugin

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00:00:15.320 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:16.940 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:18.460 I am Oren McIntyre.

00:00:20.880 Joining me today is someone who doesn't need a lot of introduction.

00:00:23.680 He's written many, many books, is one of the preeminent philosophers out of Russia,

00:00:28.020 Alexander Dugan.

00:00:28.840 Thank you so much for joining me today.

00:00:30.460 You're welcome.

00:00:31.240 Nice to see you.

00:00:33.080 Excellent.

00:00:33.780 So I want to just begin by discussing the issue of multipolarity.

00:00:38.120 This is something I think a lot of people are recognizing across the West, that liberals

00:00:43.880 in the West, especially American liberals, had this idea of the end of history, that we had

00:00:49.360 figured out how to order society properly, and we no longer needed to ask the larger questions

00:00:55.300 of human meaning or organization.

00:00:57.000 There was a standard way that we could pretty much align all societies, and it was only a

00:01:02.120 question of when every country would realize the truth of liberalism and organize under

00:01:07.400 these principles.

00:01:08.300 What we're seeing now is that this is simply not working out, that the application of this

00:01:13.480 ideology around the world just does not fit with many societies.

00:01:17.320 And even in the societies where it originated, it seems to be eroding the understanding of

00:01:22.060 peoples and their ways of life.

00:01:24.040 So what is multipolarity, and why is this a solution to the issue of this kind of global

00:01:30.900 liberalism that doesn't seem to fit every nation?

00:01:33.380 So first of all, you are totally right about this globalist project that is one of the main

00:01:42.980 future of liberalism.

00:01:44.500 Liberalism denies very explicitly any kind of possibility of difference.

00:01:54.500 So there is only one way of the global development represented by the Western modernity.

00:02:01.620 But liberals insist that the final shape of this Western modernity, it is given by them, by

00:02:13.620 liberalism.

00:02:14.260 So the liberalism, it is a kind of the result of the human history, the top of the development,

00:02:23.060 of the progress, and the set of values proper to liberalism.

00:02:28.420 It is not just one ideology among the other, but it is the only, the only ideology.

00:02:36.820 So, and liberalism has arrived to this position, basing on the historical fight against alternative

00:02:46.900 ideologies, as well Western, as well modern fascism and communism.

00:02:52.580 And that is a kind of summary of the history.

00:02:58.660 But liberalism from the very beginning insisted that there should not be the states.

00:03:06.060 So there should not be alternative.

00:03:08.940 There should be only one state, global state, global world or government.

00:03:15.500 There should be only one political philosophy based on the radical individualism and cutting

00:03:22.860 all the ties with collective identity.

00:03:25.100 That is the metaphysical individualism.

00:03:28.220 There should not be the states, the churches, the nations, the ethnic groups, nothing of the

00:03:35.580 sort, and all the individuals making transactions across the world without any identity.

00:03:43.020 So liberals don't recognize any kind of identity outside of the individual one.

00:03:51.900 So they deny existence of the people, of the churches, of the religious,

00:03:59.580 ethnic groups, religious, and so on.

00:04:02.300 All that is optional.

00:04:03.900 Gender is well optional.

00:04:05.340 And being human is well optional.

00:04:07.580 So the individual, it is a metaphysical principle, not identical with human.

00:04:19.180 The individual is something that could exist without humanity.

00:04:24.380 For example, in dimension and AI in the post-human species.

00:04:29.980 So gender politics, it is just preparation for this final advancement of this individualistic liberal society.

00:04:42.620 That is the concept of the end of the history.

00:04:47.420 And multipolarity concept, multipolarity as a theory, it is a kind of total, total refuse of all the principles embedded in liberalism.

00:05:01.900 Not only geopolitically, economically, cultural, council culture, unipolarity, globalism, anything.

00:05:10.860 So the idea of multipolarity starts with the affirmation that there is not only one civilization in the world.

00:05:23.420 Western one, liberal one, progressive one.

00:05:25.980 There are many, not so many, few, let's say, few civilizations, including Eastern Orthodox, Russian, Chinese, Indian, Islamic, African, Latin American.

00:05:40.780 Closer or further from the Western one.

00:05:45.340 But this civilization, they have all the rights to follow other paths, other way in the history.

00:05:55.580 To create their own political, cultural, social, spiritual, philosophical systems, basing on their traditional values.

00:06:05.100 So the Western modernity and liberalism is just one of the options.

00:06:11.100 It is not the destiny.

00:06:12.620 It is not the end of the history.

00:06:15.580 The claim to be the end of the history and the summary of the history of all humanity is something hegemonic,

00:06:22.460 something imperialist, something colonial in its essence.

00:06:26.300 And multipolarity, it is a radical rejection of this claim by the liberal globalist West.

00:06:35.340 But this time, and that is difference from Soviet time leftist alternative to liberalism,

00:06:43.900 that multipolarity is not left.

00:06:48.700 It is not just Marxist criticism of capital.

00:06:52.780 That is affirmation of the dignity of the spiritual identities and principles of different civilizations.

00:07:01.500 It is basing much more on the traditionalist approach.

00:07:05.180 So if we are, as Russians, Christian Orthodox.

00:07:09.420 So for example, the results of secularization of the Western Christianity is not an obligation for us.

00:07:18.700 It is just historical experience of the Western part of the humanity.

00:07:25.660 And we are the other, we have other matrix.

00:07:29.180 So there is no individualism, there is no nominalism, there is no capitalism.

00:07:36.860 We could arrive to other conclusion in the history, as well as Indian, and Chinese, as Muslims.

00:07:43.820 And that is multipolarity.

00:07:45.260 That is something new.

00:07:46.700 Because there is inertia, the will to reduce the multipolarity to something that existed before.

00:07:55.180 For example, this finance system, the kind of national states, or ideological camps.

00:08:01.420 But in reality, multipolarity is something postmodern, it is something new, totally new.

00:08:08.460 It is a kind of anti-globalism from the right, basing on the acceptance of the deep traditions

00:08:19.980 and deep identities of different civilizations, in the plural.

00:08:25.180 I think a lot of people who hear this critique often say, but liberalism didn't actually say

00:08:31.180 that we have to end nations.

00:08:32.540 I mean, you might see hints of it in places like Immanuel Kant or others.

00:08:36.540 But, you know, John Locke probably understood that there would continue to be nation states.

00:08:40.940 And so when they look at classical liberalism, they say this is the liberalism that allows

00:08:45.260 for nations and peoples.

00:08:46.700 It is the perversion, it is the progressive liberalism, this is the one that has gotten

00:08:51.420 out of control.

00:08:52.140 Do you think that that's a fair distinction?

00:08:53.900 Or do you think there was something at the heart of liberalism that would inevitably lead

00:08:57.580 it to the place that you're describing?

00:08:59.820 So if we come to the principles of the liberalism, we see in them already, already the final station.

00:09:08.460 So the Lockean liberalism or old good American liberalism or European liberalism, they were just the stages,

00:09:20.380 just the phases of the same process.

00:09:22.700 So from the very beginning liberalism was wrong in identifying the human nature as the individual.

00:09:30.780 So that was the conceptual error. And when this conceptual error was in the center of the philosophical

00:09:41.260 tradition, that started to pervert step by step all the social and cultural and political systems.

00:09:50.140 So liberalism worked through the centuries, not being so horrible as today, but if we follow

00:10:01.500 the development of these very principles of individualism, starting from Protestant Reformation,

00:10:09.180 starting from anti-Catholic theology of the Reformation, we could identify this nominalist, individualistic approach

00:10:24.140 already in the roots of the liberalism. But obviously old liberalism was not so radical, because it was

00:10:33.740 it was just a stage, just a phase, historical phase. In the first time, in the first era of all liberalism,

00:10:43.580 the liberals could tolerate the existence of national states. More than that, national states were created

00:10:49.900 by bourgeois instead of traditional states, spiritual states, empire, the pope's rule over traditional

00:10:59.820 political order in pre-modern Europe. So liberals were in favor of the creation of bourgeois national state

00:11:08.220 as preparation for the civil society, for the future globalization. So that is a very important thing.

00:11:16.300 For us, it is obvious, it is easy to accept. I think for many, for many Westerners who are very censored

00:11:24.700 and who refuse this totally perverted system of globalism, of neoliberalism, of liberalism that you have

00:11:34.220 now extremists, terrorists, absolutely insane, it is difficult to accept that because American history

00:11:43.900 started with some kind of religious or liberalism. And if we compare that or the beginning and the end,

00:11:53.340 so there is still a huge gap between them. So that is an address between them. But if we take a step outside

00:12:03.020 of the Western history, of the Western modernity, we could identify that with the eyes of Russian,

00:12:10.860 Muslim or India, on traditionalists, Chinese, Confucianists. We could see that the problem was

00:12:19.900 within Western modernity already. So that was, and the evil was there. So just, we have arrived at the

00:12:28.940 final station, the terminal station. So now, but that was planned and the tickets were about to get

00:12:37.500 where we are now for centuries ago, centuries ago.

00:12:43.180 So Samuel Huntington and his battle with Francis Fukuyama, with the end of history and the clash of

00:12:50.780 civilizations, is very much at the heart of your work. You're in the dialogue with these guys. And Huntington

00:12:58.220 comes to the realization that after the ideological bifurcation of the global order under communism and

00:13:08.060 liberalism, that we were going to have these much more organic identities. We're going to return to a

00:13:12.700 more traditional understanding of peoples, of language and religion and heritage, and many of the things

00:13:17.660 that had made up identities previously. One of the things that he points out is that you're going to

00:13:23.820 probably not see nation states be enough to push back against a more global order. Instead,

00:13:30.380 he sees civilizational blocks where a core state more or less runs the zone. And then the other

00:13:37.100 states that share in that civilization, he tends to define them by religion. They will be part of that

00:13:42.540 civilizational block with that kind of one or two core states leading this. You have a similar

00:13:47.740 recognition of the need for there to be larger identities than nations, but smaller than

00:13:53.660 global understandings. You have the empire understanding. It's similar, but not exactly

00:13:59.180 the same. Now, I would wonder what you think are the differences between your and Huntington's

00:14:04.860 solution? Why yours is more robust? Because I think to many people looking at the geopolitical

00:14:10.220 goals that you might have, they're saying, okay, well, yes, some of this makes sense. But the practical

00:14:15.980 application of this is basically the United States needs to roll back its empire and Russia needs to be

00:14:21.500 allowed to expand and control its empire. And so just practically, this looks like someone who's

00:14:26.780 selling a philosophy to me that is going to hurt my nation and help his nation. And so I was just

00:14:32.060 wondering if you could speak to the differences between you and Huntington in this area, and if

00:14:35.980 there's a true reason for why this needs to be organized, or if this is ultimately just in service of a

00:14:41.580 geopolitical project. So first of all, I think that Huntington was absolutely right. So he was prophetic.

00:14:49.980 He was deeper than everybody believed during his life, because he has given the more correct

00:14:57.980 description of the world and of the future. So everything we see starting from 2000,

00:15:10.140 9-11, from all this period starting with 2000, that was absolute confirmation that Huntington was

00:15:19.340 right and Fukuyama was totally wrong. Fukuyama himself, I have spoken

00:15:25.100 several times with him, he recognized that. So his claim that there is only one humanity, only one state

00:15:35.420 is over. That was too early, it was not timely. So and he affirmed Fukuyama that in order to arrive to the

00:15:47.580 end of the end of history, we need more time, some maybe new phases to prepare this end of history. So he was

00:15:56.860 in hurry too much. And Huntington has described a very correct and perfect picture of what will follow,

00:16:08.940 what we will have in the near future and what we have already now. So Huntington is correct. So it is not just

00:16:17.260 to position, maybe Huntington was not against the globalism, but he just described the reality that

00:16:26.620 globalization will fail. That globalization is based on the abstract principle that everybody in the world

00:16:36.860 is already prepared. Everybody, every society in the world is ready to change the agenda,

00:16:46.780 to be transformed into modern Western liberal individuals. But that was not the reason. And

00:16:53.100 I could judge on my own society, we were ready for that, absolutely. And when we discovered,

00:17:01.340 when we have discovered what the modernization, globalism and liberalism mean in reality, we have refused

00:17:09.340 that. That was not just the decision of Putin as an individual, that was the common reaction against the

00:17:20.540 Western liberal globalist project. When we have discovered what is its meaning, we have rejected that.

00:17:28.220 The same with China, Chinese, the same with India, the same with Islam, Muslim people, the same for

00:17:36.860 the African. But that is not just a theory of clash of civilization. There is a consultation of the bitter, for the

00:17:47.180 globalist reality of the status quo. The things are like that. So nobody except the West, and maybe the West

00:17:56.540 itself, but outside is absolutely certain, nobody is ready to become the citizen of the world in the concept of

00:18:07.100 liberal globalism. So globalism is rejected everywhere, and in the West as well. But, for example, what we see now in

00:18:17.100 this crisis of immigration, of illegal immigration, all these talks about grooming gangs of Pakistan and

00:18:26.060 in England, all this problem of immigration and American politics, we see that the society remembers,

00:18:36.220 is recalling that there is something more than just individual. There are cultural collective identities,

00:18:43.500 to be American, Native American or not, to be integrated culturally or not, to have some religious ties

00:18:53.500 with society or not. That is not about biology. It is not about the color of skin. That is about

00:19:01.740 collective identity. It is much more important principle. And this collective identity could be

00:19:11.100 national, ideological or civilizational. So the second point that Huntington has pointed out very, very

00:19:19.500 clearly, that the problem will be not between national states, because national states are more or less

00:19:28.300 dissolved by now, in the West at least. So national states don't represent any more the deep identity.

00:19:38.060 Liberalism has destroyed this identity, but in spite of advancement of the totally individualistic

00:19:46.460 civil society, civil society, global society, there appeared this new kind of deeper identity,

00:19:56.140 civilizational one. And that is the fact that you could not win with ideology, with propaganda,

00:20:03.900 with some artificial means, because civilization is something deeper, that is deep inside. And I think

00:20:13.980 that crisis that the West passed through now is about that. So the West discovers as well the West, who is and was the main

00:20:25.900 driver of this globalization, liberalism, globalism. Now it discovers something wrong inside itself. The West is

00:20:36.300 discovering its own civilizational identity. And finds that there is something wrong with that. So there is identity, and there are the enemies of this deep identity.

00:20:49.820 And these enemies are not external, as Russia or China or Muslim country. There is internal globalist, globalist elites,

00:21:00.700 who still continue to implement this globalist agenda, this end of the history project, in spite of a growing pressure from the bottom to recover, to restitute this civilizational identity of the West.

00:21:22.700 Concerning geopolitics. So I don't see any problem, how we could unify, combine, recombine this civilizational approach with geopolitics.

00:21:36.700 Because geopolitical boundaries, geopolitical borders coincide with the civilizational one.

00:21:44.700 They are not just the borders, but frontiers, the zones between civilizations. So they correspond to the existence of the greater great empires in the past, before the advent of the modernity.

00:22:02.700 So that is not the case. Civilization is much deeper and much stronger civilizational identity than just politics, national state, ideology.

00:22:16.700 Civilization is common ground for different people living in different states, but sharing the same worldview by the culture, by the roots, by the identity.

00:22:28.700 And that coincides with the shape of the empires. So we could call this new multipolar world as the global power, global powers, world order, or civilizational world order, or the kind of return of the empires.

00:22:54.700 So we see Chinese empire, Russian empire, Indian great states, Islamic empire, African continent as the project of empire of the future, and two vice regency of Spanish empire.

00:23:10.700 So Latin American empire, and Brazil was for some short time independent Latin American empire as the possible image of the future.

00:23:23.700 So we could call it empires, we could call it global powers, we could call it civilization.

00:23:29.700 So it is not just justification of imperialism or expansion. It is about something much deeper and the Ukrainian war, it is not just the war between West and Russian civilization.

00:23:46.700 It is about the civilization. It is about the very principle of sovereignty and the freedom to impose to one of the civilizations its own rule in the zone of its responsibility.

00:24:05.700 Because it is not about Ukraine because it is about Ukraine because it is not about to add Ukraine to some Western civilization state.

00:24:12.700 It is the idea that in Ukraine there is battle, the fight between globalists, between liberals, between those who are for the end of the history and with those who defend multipolar vision.

00:24:32.700 And that multipolarity could be applied not only to the Russian empire, but to the West, to Western Europe, to America.

00:24:40.700 And when we saw how MAGA started to grow in the United States, we had the impression that that is something like acceptance of multipolarity in reaffirmation of the American civilization is going on.

00:24:58.700 So we interpreted, maybe it was wrong, I could not say, but we have seen in the MAGA movement, in Trumpism in general, precisely this return from the globalism to the idea, not of the national state, not so much of a national state, but to the idea of American empire.

00:25:22.700 And all these talks about Canada and Greenland were not just the jokes, we considered that as the plan, as American plan to create great space, to establish North American civilization as the pole of this multipolar world.

00:25:40.700 Maybe strongest, maybe leading pole, but just the pole among the other.

00:25:49.700 So that, how we read Trumpism and MAGA, maybe we were wrong.

00:25:59.700 And that is the very interesting subject of discussion, I hope.

00:26:04.700 So one of the ideas that has come to fascinate me has been the development of peoples as a metaphysical entity, something that has a spiritual reality and a destiny that is its own.

00:26:18.700 And I encountered this in other thinkers before running into your work, like Spangler and later on read into Heidegger and others.

00:26:25.980 And so this is an idea that I think is represented across many different thinkers and traditions at this point, and I think has a lot of truth to it.

00:26:33.260 One of the things that you outline, I think pretty eloquently, and I think it's the fourth political theory, is the way in which when societies scale,

00:26:42.300 they have to abstract their way of being into something that is more analytical so others can follow it.

00:26:48.580 You have to turn it into an ideology instead of a lived experience so that it can be spread to other peoples who might not necessarily naturally encounter it or apply it in their own way.

00:27:00.700 And so one of the things that I do think about when we're talking about these empire-level civilizational geopolitical arrangements is you have a situation where you're necessarily going to have to artificially abstract some level of the way of being of the people in order to operate this state.

00:27:20.700 And I think scale is one of the greatest enemies of human civilization right now.

00:27:25.060 We have abstracted so much of what we do.

00:27:27.560 We have created such a high level of complexity that we are no longer rooted in our natural ways of being.

00:27:33.860 And I worry that the civilizational model, while I think it's better than global, still scales too high, that the imperial model is going to open itself repeatedly up to this problem.

00:27:45.940 It's not that the liberal model is the first one to run into it.

00:27:49.760 In fact, most civilizations, when they feel like they're at their height, tend to want to force their will onto their neighbors in the world.

00:27:57.560 It seems like a natural cycle of civilizations and not something that is just particular to liberalism.

00:28:02.700 So does the fall of liberalism actually solve this problem?

00:28:05.740 And is empire actually the right place to stop this scaling?

00:28:09.600 Because I'm not sure that that won't eventually still destroy the characters of individual peoples.

00:28:15.040 So first of all, the difference between national state and empire, that empire tolerates the differences, political, ethnic differences and collective identity inside.

00:28:29.020 So national state is dealing only with individual citizens.

00:28:34.860 So citizenship, nationality, it is the fact, juridical, legal fact to belong to this state with the idiom, the main language and so on.

00:28:47.360 That is formality, that is abstraction.

00:28:49.620 Citizenship is abstraction.

00:28:51.100 And when we are dealing with national state, we are absolutely dealing with these juridical abstractions.

00:28:58.900 Empire deals with collective entities of different scales.

00:29:04.700 So inside of empire could exist the kingdoms.

00:29:09.040 Inside of empire could exist states or different kinds of tribes or religious communities.

00:29:17.000 So empire, that is, in my opinion, it is the greatest possible scale that still has the relation to plurality.

00:29:32.520 So if we come from the empire to the humanity, so that is precisely the problem.

00:29:39.760 So if we, because empire, it is a kind of relative, relative absolute, that is a kind of universality with the, with the limits, inside of the limits, not outside of the limits.

00:29:54.500 That, and empires, they always rescale.

00:30:00.500 So they, they grow, they, they shrink, but that is natural process.

00:30:08.300 So they, they try to, to save and to, to transmit its core.

00:30:15.360 So the heart, heartland.

00:30:17.360 So the empires, they, they prevent, they, they, they defend their heart, but expansion or reduction of the territory is, it is a sort of working heart in the organism.

00:30:34.760 So it is expansion that is, it is an opposite process.

00:30:39.540 So the process of rescaling is not abstract.

00:30:43.980 It is put in the reality of the, of the being, and the main power of empire is attraction.

00:30:51.760 It is not so much expansion, but attraction, cultural attraction, metaphysical attraction.

00:30:57.900 So empire should have mission.

00:31:00.240 And that mission is the last argument to unite the people and different political and social and cultural entities, including religious entity, around this, this axis.

00:31:13.000 So the empire has something platonic inside of it.

00:31:18.060 It is vertical organization or vertical around vertical axis.

00:31:22.920 It is open from the top.

00:31:26.340 So it is not just that the will of some individual.

00:31:31.360 So there is tyranny.

00:31:32.580 And Plato hated that.

00:31:34.560 So it is not empire.

00:31:36.520 Empire is open on the top.

00:31:39.600 It serves some truth, some transcendental spiritual mission.

00:31:44.220 So we could not imagine that British empire was not such a kind that was just liberal expansionist colonial entity, but traditional Roman empire, Greek empire, Assyrian empire, Russian empire, Byzantine empire, including Chinese empire.

00:32:02.440 So Indian civilization as well, so Indian civilization as well, circle of influence.

00:32:09.940 So all these traditional empires, Ottoman empire as well, Abbasid empire, they united many different political entities.

00:32:20.040 So they preserved rather than destroyed the differences inside of them.

00:32:27.420 And national state, it is totally, totally opposite.

00:32:31.680 So national state is something that reduces all kind of identity to the individual one, to the citizen.

00:32:41.200 And that is preparation step to globalism, to civil society.

00:32:47.240 When you destroy the organic cultural, spiritual entity by individuals,

00:32:55.280 you may be in the first time in the borders of the national state,

00:33:01.420 and after that, they are ready to integrate in something more, as in the European Union.

00:33:07.920 There was a nationalist stage of globalization, after that came this super-national mixture, confusion of the individuals.

00:33:21.920 But mixture between French and Germans was not enough, so they have brought the other individuals.

00:33:31.220 Individuals with no roots in European society, in order to destroy this deep identity.

00:33:39.720 So liberalism is the conscious destruction of civilizational identity, and multipolarity is a kind of opposite strategy.

00:33:51.720 And I think that, as well, that is important, that abstraction, you have mentioned the words abstraction.

00:34:00.220 I agree that sometimes abstraction is a bad thing, but bad abstraction is bad.

00:34:08.220 Good abstraction is good.

00:34:10.220 So if we correctly can abstract the meaning, the spirit from the phenomenon we observe, or the thing we are dealing with, that is good abstraction.

00:34:21.220 The problem is not in abstraction or artificial creation.

00:34:27.220 So when this abstraction is based on error, when artificial creation is counter-natural, that is the problem.

00:34:39.720 So we are obliged to deal with some abstractions, with some artificial steps, so we need to create something, restore something, preserve something.

00:34:50.220 And always there is the choice of free will.

00:34:55.220 We Christian Orthodox, we believe in the existence of free will.

00:35:00.720 It is one of the main important points of our belief.

00:35:05.720 That is the difference between Calvinists.

00:35:07.720 So we are absolutely certain that there is free will.

00:35:12.220 So we could choose, we could make the wrong decision, we could repent, we could revise, criticize ourselves.

00:35:22.220 But we are free to do, to decide.

00:35:26.220 And globalist, modern globalist situation, you have no right to speak what you think.

00:35:34.220 So you should say exactly what CNN or Soros Network or Starmer has set you to say.

00:35:41.720 So there is totalitarianism, liberal totalitarianism, based on this mechanical understanding of the progress, of the individualism and so on.

00:35:52.720 So I think that empire, it is not about imperialism, not about expansion, it is about the principle.

00:36:03.220 So the state with the mission, the state that accepts the differences inside and bases these differences on the principle of collective identity.

00:36:16.220 Yes, Spengler's prediction is far more fatalistic as it tends to, you know, have the, the civilizational phase, which ossifies these different ways of being into something that no longer has, you know, is no longer animated by the spiritual.

00:36:31.220 He saw that as kind of the end of civilization rather than its ability to readjust, I suppose, in those moments.

00:36:39.920 But one of the other things I wanted to ask you about, because you're, you're one of the few people besides Nick Land that I've ever seen touch on the issue of accelerationism, which is very important to me because neo-reactionary theory is kind of how I got into this.

00:36:55.540 And in Land, it's the, you know, it's the lack of negative feedback in the circuit, you know, the cybernetic feedback loop for you, it's the monotonic process.

00:37:06.480 But in either instance, it's the recognition that we seem to be heading through this postmodern moment into something else.

00:37:13.880 And what we're going to end up with is going to be perhaps post-human in a way.

00:37:19.380 Now, when I spoke to Nick Land about this, he said, comparing with kind of what he had seen of your work, that the difference is while you were both recognizing a similar phenomenon, actually, he interestingly brought it back to the ethnic difference.

00:37:33.900 So he said, for him, being, you know, an Anglo, the end of accelerationism was actually the jettisoning of the human and created a different scenario where, you know, capital escapes that which is human and finds its own destiny in the stars.

00:37:50.060 As where your version of this ends with humanity transcending the need to be bound by rationality and science and otherwise finding a way back to spirituality.

00:38:01.560 Can you speak a little bit about those differences?

00:38:03.960 Do you think they're grounded, as he points out, perhaps in an ethnic approach to the way that you see this issue?

00:38:10.720 Maybe so, but interesting. I have asked Artificial Intelligence, Grok, to write an article about comparison between my ideas and ideas of Nick Land.

00:38:26.100 And interesting, the result was very, very satisfying. The Artificial Intelligence responded that there are some similarities and there are some differences.

00:38:35.880 Similarity is, similarity consists in the rejection of liberal globalist world vision. So, radically in both cases.

00:38:47.220 So, in my case and in the case of Nick Land, Dark Enlightenment, Aneryxist and Right Accelerationism.

00:39:00.660 So, we use almost the same term in our criticism of liberalism. So, we despise it, we hate it, we criticize that in all its different forms.

00:39:15.920 So, this radical rejection of status quo, of liberal liberal globalism is common.

00:39:23.760 But Artificial Intelligence, I continue, has said that there is a kind of difference.

00:39:31.880 So, myself criticize that from the pre-modern position or considering post-modernity as the chance to return to eternal paradigm, not just to the past, but to eternity.

00:39:50.020 Because the God doesn't belong to past. The past. The God, it is eternity. And eternity is now.

00:40:00.480 Eternity is not just the way of thinking in the pre-modern time. Eternity, if we believe in it, it is now.

00:40:10.240 Christ is now. Christ is now. Church is now. The mystery of functioning now.

00:40:19.840 And I use, according to AI, the post-modern moment of general dissatisfaction of the contemporary state of things, of liberalism, as a kind of occasion to return to eternity.

00:40:40.720 And Nick Land wants to do completely opposite, opposite move. So, he tries to accelerate, he tries to get the modernity to its own logical end.

00:40:56.060 So, total destruction of humanity and of the life itself. So, his idea and Negerestani, Reza Negerestani idea, they proceed from the objective-oriented ontology, speculative realism.

00:41:20.840 That is his idea to end, to finish with the human, human philosophy, and start to deal with the things, to the things, to do something that is in the matter, or maybe, maybe on the other side of the matter, as a kind of Lovecraftian entities, the old ones.

00:41:41.840 So, and weird realism of Graham, Graham Harmon, and the Mea Suu, as well, they use this term of something that is on other side, grandio,

00:42:08.840 totally outside, totally outside, as the personalities described by Lockerbie.

00:42:16.240 So, that is satanic parody on my understanding, metaphysical understanding of conservative revolution.

00:42:29.060 So, maybe, at the end of the day, the boss versions are much more radically opposed than our criticism of liberalism.

00:42:42.340 So, we reject liberalism totally different, different semantic course.

00:42:52.440 So, and according, but Nick Land, why I am so interested, I am so interested in his work, because he does two things at the same time, very important for our intellectual strategy.

00:43:10.860 First, he makes very, very, very important, very deep and essential criticism of globalism and liberalism, that is as critical as in case of Marx, for example.

00:43:22.460 He is new Marx, but at the same time, he serves as example of the clearly openly satanic, satanic essence and nature of the progressism, of the technical development, of the speculative realism.

00:43:40.940 So, that is, that is, that is about antichrist, so, and the concepts of Nick Land and his fanged phenomenon in his book, very impressive.

00:43:54.740 So, he approves, at least it seems as if he approves, that this, the end of humanity, the life and the liberation of the core of the earth on its final travel to the sun.

00:44:18.240 So, that is a kind of satanic, but presented naked, presented openly, without any humanistic wails on it.

00:44:36.160 So, in both senses, that is interesting, he is much more responsible as thinkers than the absolute majority of the globalists.

00:44:45.180 They don't dare, who don't dare, who don't dare, who don't dare to accept what they're doing, reality.

00:44:50.940 They are killing the humanity, and Nick Land affirms, very well, you are killing the humanity, you are going to destroy the life, very well, say what you're doing.

00:45:04.560 That will be much more honest, and so, let's say that, don't hide.

00:45:11.020 So, let us destroy the life, let us destroy the humanity, that's a good idea, that was planned in the initial stage of capitalism, and so on.

00:45:23.100 So, he is a bit like punk, metaphysical punk, no future, there is no positive solution to the problem we are dealing with.

00:45:34.860 But, this despair is a kind of sin, so, we shouldn't, as Nietzsche, for example, Nietzsche has said, the God is dead, but that was not Nietzsche who has killed him.

00:45:50.060 That was all the rest around him who made it, so, when Nick Land invites the people to kill themselves as soon as possible, so, it is not his will.

00:46:07.520 He, a bit mocks on them, he, that is a kind of deep metaphysical bitterness and irony in his work, and I like that also, that we should have some special reading of Nick Land and Reza Inegaristani.

00:46:28.720 So, they are very prophetic in something. That is not the casual event that Peter Thiel is going, Peter Thiel is going to make, to dedicate to four seminars in September, to Antichrist.

00:46:48.660 So, that is very, and in tune with Lent, Lent souls. So, let's start, call the things by their correct names, and I think Nick Land does precisely that, and that is why I respect his writings, his ideas very much.

00:47:11.240 Yeah, it's definitely a situation, I mean, it's certainly a Faustian project, it's certainly a Nietzschean project, and I think that, you know, you can disagree with his objectives deeply, but he is a very clear thinker, as you say, he's got the courage to follow these ideas to their conclusions, and when they're laid bare, then we can actually assess whether this is the place that we want to go.

00:47:33.940 But on the subject of actually making decisions about where we want to go, one of the better illustrations in your work about this issue is the metaphysics of the washing machine, and how this, you know, technological revolution draws us and has a natural gradient on which we're going to approach.

00:47:52.580 And the question is, can we protect our own humanity? Can we reject the washing machine? Is there an ability to reject technology and maintain what is human by not sacrificing it?

00:48:03.300 Now, one of the things that Land points out in his version of accelerationism, which I think is unfortunately very true, is that accelerationism collapses decision space.

00:48:13.300 The more that technology advances, the less time we have to react to it collectively, and it robs us of our ability and agency in those moments.

00:48:22.780 And so I can see smaller individual communities, you know, an Amish community or other, you know, very tightly knit, very strict religious communities, perhaps rejecting the metaphysics of the washing machine.

00:48:36.980 But I am doubtful that civilizations seem to be able to do this, because as I said, the technology keeps accelerating the pace at which decisions must be made.

00:48:45.780 And we have less and less time to deliberate on these issues, and things just happen automatically, because we don't know how to approach the technological revolutions that are happening under us.

00:48:56.260 In many ways, our politics feel like an attempt to blame other people for the consequences of our technological advancement, rather than actually tackling any issue as a civilization that we need to.

00:49:07.620 So do you believe that ultimately we can, as civilizations, get a hold of the technological problem and arrest this acceleration?

00:49:16.880 Or is this ultimately something that will be taken out of our hands?

00:49:21.040 So, first of all, I would like to clarify a bit the concept of civilization, because you have mentioned Spengler.

00:49:31.700 He used civilization in a very special way.

00:49:34.040 So, as the end phase of the culture, of the cycle of the culture, the cycle of the life of the culture, I use that in a totally different way.

00:49:45.460 I include in the concept of civilization, as French do, and Italian do, and American do, mostly, without direct allusion on Spengler, as the cycle of culture.

00:50:01.880 So, in general, not just the final stage, the technological stage of the development of the culture.

00:50:12.180 So, I'm using civilization, the word, the same, the very word of civilization, in that sense.

00:50:19.020 It's something global, inclusive, where there are different stages, rise, fall, and so on.

00:50:27.140 So, second point, very important, about technology.

00:50:31.580 I think that technology, it is a metaphysical problem.

00:50:35.600 So, that is why metaphysical of the washing machine.

00:50:39.280 So, we need to consider and to conceive the techniques, the technology from the metaphysical point of view.

00:50:50.280 What is technology and why it is so important in our life, in our society, in our history.

00:50:58.520 Heidegger has developed the great, great line, the context, how we need to think that.

00:51:07.840 And, according to him, technology is a kind of alienation, alienation of mind.

00:51:17.140 So, Heidegger is dealing with two very important core concepts.

00:51:23.900 Dasein, being here, Dasein, and Dasman.

00:51:30.580 Dasman, we could not translate.

00:51:32.480 They say it, they say, they think.

00:51:35.320 And who are those?

00:51:37.480 They who say.

00:51:39.460 Nobody.

00:51:40.480 So, they say.

00:51:42.040 It is not collective affirmation.

00:51:46.400 It is something abstract.

00:51:48.380 Abstract.

00:51:49.380 That is here, but you could not never be sure that somebody has really said that.

00:51:56.480 So, that is Dasman in German, in German language, they say, they think, they go, and so on.

00:52:05.340 So, Dasman, it is the product of alienation of human mind, of human behavior, of human design, of human presence.

00:52:14.800 And this alienation is something technical.

00:52:18.900 So, Dasman, this alienated form of being, of existing, is already artificial intelligence.

00:52:27.000 So, if we don't live authentically, if we question what is the being, what is ourselves, why we are strong here in this world,

00:52:39.800 if we don't put this question, if we don't confront the death and nothing directly,

00:52:47.880 as kind of, if we don't lead the dialogue with them,

00:52:53.020 it just, we are totally immersed in the routine, in the banal life, everyday life.

00:53:02.460 So, we are working, thinking, living as automates, automates, like Dasman.

00:53:10.200 So, we are not human.

00:53:12.000 We are already, before being replaced by artificial intelligence, robots and cybers,

00:53:18.420 we are already replaced authentic form of being by non-authentic form of being.

00:53:24.120 We are already, already, already, we are already the robots, artificial intelligence,

00:53:36.660 because what is going on in our minds, that is the continuation of CNN, of globalist propaganda,

00:53:46.080 they say, they think, they oblige us to do that by the law, by their rules, by their words.

00:53:58.740 So, we are working as if we are the parts of the computer.

00:54:02.700 And, in that sense, being, leading this inauthentic, non-authentic life,

00:54:11.620 we could not change anything, we are algorithm, already, not after,

00:54:16.960 we are already inside of this artificial intelligence.

00:54:21.120 That is the other brilliant idea of Nick Land,

00:54:24.900 that we are living in the simulation and not in the reality.

00:54:29.340 So, on the level, we are leading in authentic life, we are already in the future.

00:54:39.260 So, we could not make any decision.

00:54:42.600 And the technique, it is about that, technology, classical mechanic is about that,

00:54:48.560 that you could not choose.

00:54:50.420 So, you are obliged, you are put in some predestination, as in Calvin system,

00:54:56.600 but Calvinism embedded in the machine, and the politics, and the society,

00:55:02.920 and the technology, and the industry, and the economy, all that.

00:55:07.240 So, that is mechanical predestination, and being that, and agreeing with such a definition,

00:55:16.480 to be human as they impose on us, we should be, so following their orders,

00:55:24.420 so accepting being the process in their matrix, we have no choice.

00:55:30.280 And that is, if it is so, we agree, that design is lost, design lost,

00:55:38.160 and design is the possibility to choose, precisely, to choose.

00:55:43.120 And that, when there is design, there is always possibility to choose differently.

00:55:51.440 So, choose technique, or not technique.

00:55:55.420 And when there is no design, they say you should follow the techniques.

00:55:59.200 So, nothing could be done.

00:56:01.520 So, if we can, and that is about our fight against globalists.

00:56:06.860 They say that everything is already decided.

00:56:10.600 Everything, that is the progress, the laws of social development,

00:56:14.360 there is work, the day, there is council culture, there is progressive value,

00:56:22.800 and we have only one thing, we have to follow that.

00:56:28.120 We could do nothing.

00:56:30.040 We could be obstacle to that,

00:56:33.360 or obstacle as patriarchal,

00:56:36.440 as patriarchal, as males, as whites,

00:56:40.360 and as Christians,

00:56:43.040 and not too much

00:56:45.280 gay-friendly.

00:56:47.900 So, there is a choice

00:56:50.700 to be

00:56:51.540 in tune with time,

00:56:53.960 or to be

00:56:55.460 retarded.

00:56:56.840 So, nothing else. There is no choice.

00:56:59.080 Because that is the technological

00:57:00.600 approach to the society.

00:57:03.640 But if we believe

00:57:04.880 in the design,

00:57:06.960 if we stand strong,

00:57:09.560 defending design,

00:57:11.300 and possibility,

00:57:12.760 authentic being,

00:57:15.440 so we always,

00:57:16.560 always

00:57:17.200 could

00:57:17.720 change

00:57:19.900 the destination

00:57:21.420 of this process.

00:57:22.820 So, we,

00:57:23.420 because

00:57:23.820 that is the illusion

00:57:26.640 of technology.

00:57:28.080 The illusion

00:57:28.840 of inevitability

00:57:31.340 of

00:57:32.320 linear progress.

00:57:34.520 we always should

00:57:36.420 agree.

00:57:37.860 So, without this

00:57:39.020 existential agreement

00:57:40.820 from ourselves,

00:57:42.540 nothing could happen.

00:57:44.160 Absolutely nothing.

00:57:45.340 But that is the mystery

00:57:46.580 of God

00:57:47.420 and

00:57:48.260 the heart of believer.

00:57:51.600 And if we believe,

00:57:53.300 so we know

00:57:54.680 our strength.

00:57:56.620 So, nothing will happen

00:57:57.680 if we don't accept that.

00:58:01.640 And that is why

00:58:02.800 our revolt

00:58:03.720 could be successful

00:58:05.300 and we could win

00:58:06.660 this destination,

00:58:10.160 this fate,

00:58:12.020 this destiny

00:58:12.720 as techniques.

00:58:15.020 Because

00:58:15.380 if we can

00:58:17.500 save design.

00:58:18.920 but

00:58:19.540 to kill design,

00:58:20.940 it is the main,

00:58:22.000 main task

00:58:23.200 of

00:58:23.700 object-oriented

00:58:27.200 ontology,

00:58:28.720 by the way.

00:58:29.240 So,

00:58:31.440 it seems like

00:58:32.420 you have hope

00:58:33.040 that ultimately

00:58:33.600 we will

00:58:34.520 free

00:58:35.500 the human

00:58:36.640 from

00:58:37.340 this artificial

00:58:38.520 algorithm

00:58:39.340 that's already

00:58:39.800 taken over.

00:58:40.380 I often tell people

00:58:41.120 you're already

00:58:42.020 an LLM

00:58:42.620 and you just

00:58:43.020 don't recognize it

00:58:44.100 and that throws

00:58:45.020 people for a loop

00:58:45.760 sometimes,

00:58:46.360 but I think

00:58:47.020 it's increasingly

00:58:47.680 clear,

00:58:48.260 as you point out,

00:58:48.860 that people

00:58:49.200 are already

00:58:50.260 operating as

00:58:51.080 algorithms

00:58:51.600 without understanding

00:58:52.720 it and the return

00:58:53.600 to living

00:58:54.620 authentically,

00:58:55.480 the DAW sign,

00:58:56.900 would be

00:58:58.240 overcoming that,

00:58:59.040 but at the same

00:58:59.480 time,

00:58:59.800 even though

00:59:00.100 you seem

00:59:00.480 to have

00:59:00.720 hope for

00:59:01.500 that outcome,

00:59:02.380 you also talk

00:59:02.940 about a

00:59:03.240 post-human

00:59:03.780 politics

00:59:04.800 in which

00:59:05.520 instead of

00:59:07.200 a man

00:59:07.580 sending a

00:59:08.560 text message,

00:59:09.440 the text message

00:59:10.640 sends the man,

00:59:11.680 the partisan

00:59:12.100 goes out

00:59:12.860 and commits

00:59:13.340 crime because

00:59:14.180 technology tells

00:59:15.040 him to,

00:59:15.520 becomes a

00:59:15.920 political actor

00:59:16.820 or terrorist

00:59:17.380 because technology

00:59:18.800 instructs him to.

00:59:19.480 You also

00:59:19.860 explore

00:59:20.740 something that

00:59:22.080 is a little

00:59:22.680 opaque,

00:59:23.160 I think,

00:59:23.440 for most people,

00:59:24.160 but an

00:59:24.440 angelology,

00:59:25.340 an idea that

00:59:26.300 there are

00:59:26.760 larger metaphysical

00:59:27.700 forces

00:59:28.180 that will be

00:59:28.700 driving

00:59:29.100 human action.

00:59:30.740 And so

00:59:30.900 away it seems

00:59:31.620 like you're

00:59:32.580 simultaneously

00:59:33.060 saying we

00:59:33.800 need to

00:59:34.140 return to

00:59:34.760 this higher

00:59:35.800 level of

00:59:36.180 human agency

00:59:36.760 and living

00:59:37.120 authentically,

00:59:37.860 but also

00:59:38.420 technology and

00:59:40.080 perhaps the

00:59:41.080 metaphysical realm

00:59:41.820 might be moving

00:59:42.480 in ways that

00:59:43.560 would have us

00:59:44.360 in a post-human

00:59:45.940 direction when it

00:59:46.540 comes to how

00:59:47.600 politics will

00:59:48.280 play out.

00:59:49.740 So when I

00:59:51.660 described what

00:59:53.320 could arrive,

00:59:54.440 that doesn't

00:59:55.020 mean that I

00:59:55.720 agree with that.

00:59:57.100 so interesting

00:59:58.300 that there's

00:59:59.420 the talks

01:00:00.320 about bots

01:00:01.600 and algorithm

01:00:02.560 now is

01:00:04.840 put on

01:00:05.800 the political

01:00:06.260 level.

01:00:06.820 Recently,

01:00:07.400 Netanyahu,

01:00:08.760 the prime

01:00:09.240 minister of

01:00:09.840 Israel,

01:00:10.420 has said

01:00:10.980 that the

01:00:11.320 growing

01:00:11.900 anti-Jewish,

01:00:13.380 anti-Israel

01:00:14.180 moods in

01:00:16.240 United States

01:00:17.260 are totally

01:00:18.460 artificial.

01:00:19.000 so there is

01:00:20.500 nothing behind

01:00:21.920 that except

01:00:24.120 the bots,

01:00:25.100 except the

01:00:25.660 algorithm.

01:00:26.320 So now

01:00:27.320 when I

01:00:28.900 described some

01:00:30.220 years ago

01:00:30.820 that finally

01:00:31.720 there will

01:00:32.800 come the

01:00:33.260 moment when

01:00:34.080 the bots

01:00:34.660 will participate

01:00:35.940 in political

01:00:36.720 debate,

01:00:37.740 now it is

01:00:38.340 the fact.

01:00:38.840 so it

01:00:39.840 is not

01:00:40.160 just my

01:00:40.860 wish

01:00:41.340 that it

01:00:46.600 arrives,

01:00:47.480 but just

01:00:48.220 a kind

01:00:49.700 of analysis.

01:00:51.140 So post-humanism

01:00:53.780 is already

01:00:54.440 here.

01:00:55.580 Where we are

01:00:55.960 losing our

01:00:56.580 design,

01:00:57.080 we are in

01:00:57.620 the post-humanist

01:00:58.860 reality also.

01:01:00.340 and the

01:01:01.100 difference

01:01:01.560 between our

01:01:02.680 behavior or

01:01:03.500 behavior of

01:01:04.320 bot is

01:01:05.900 almost

01:01:07.580 nothing.

01:01:09.420 So we

01:01:10.140 behave exactly,

01:01:11.420 they behave

01:01:12.000 exactly like

01:01:13.040 us,

01:01:13.460 we behave

01:01:14.360 exactly like

01:01:16.660 them.

01:01:17.280 So post-humanism

01:01:18.680 is already

01:01:19.340 here.

01:01:20.280 The real

01:01:21.260 humanity,

01:01:22.360 it is

01:01:23.300 the

01:01:24.360 restoration

01:01:25.680 of vertical

01:01:26.780 dimension

01:01:27.420 in our

01:01:28.160 soul

01:01:28.740 and

01:01:29.400 direct

01:01:30.240 contact

01:01:32.660 with

01:01:33.180 higher

01:01:34.040 worlds,

01:01:34.540 with

01:01:35.680 God,

01:01:36.560 with

01:01:36.780 angels,

01:01:37.920 hence

01:01:38.240 angiology.

01:01:39.780 So the

01:01:40.780 beginning of

01:01:41.420 the desacralization

01:01:42.240 of the

01:01:44.200 West

01:01:44.480 was not

01:01:45.300 in the

01:01:46.060 moment

01:01:46.340 when they

01:01:47.060 have lost

01:01:48.280 the

01:01:48.940 faith

01:01:50.320 in

01:01:51.100 God,

01:01:51.940 but when

01:01:52.680 they

01:01:53.200 lost

01:01:54.200 the faith

01:01:54.740 in

01:01:55.000 angels.

01:01:56.080 Angels

01:01:56.440 are very,

01:01:57.340 very

01:01:57.460 important

01:01:58.180 they

01:01:59.980 have

01:02:00.240 very

01:02:00.460 important

01:02:00.960 mission

01:02:01.500 in the

01:02:01.900 religion

01:02:02.320 because

01:02:03.280 God

01:02:03.900 is

01:02:04.340 too

01:02:04.700 high,

01:02:05.660 he

01:02:06.120 is

01:02:06.400 transcendent

01:02:07.900 being,

01:02:09.320 but

01:02:09.920 angels

01:02:10.400 are

01:02:10.880 in

01:02:11.320 between

01:02:11.660 and

01:02:12.320 when

01:02:12.720 you

01:02:13.060 mock

01:02:14.020 then

01:02:14.460 when

01:02:14.740 say

01:02:15.180 we

01:02:15.700 could

01:02:15.900 recognize

01:02:16.520 the

01:02:16.700 existence

01:02:17.100 of

01:02:17.400 God

01:02:17.640 but

01:02:18.020 angels

01:02:19.660 are

01:02:20.200 pure,

01:02:20.720 pure

01:02:21.280 superstitions

01:02:22.680 so

01:02:23.640 you

01:02:24.500 hit

01:02:25.040 the

01:02:25.400 theology

01:02:28.400 and most

01:02:29.660 important point

01:02:31.680 you could

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01:07:07.440 and

01:07:07.600 more

01:07:07.860 and

01:07:08.540 I

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01:07:09.840 the

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01:07:18.980 feel

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01:07:21.760 the

01:07:22.440 modern

01:07:22.720 civilization

01:07:23.500 we

01:07:24.040 blame

01:07:24.460 each

01:07:24.740 other

01:07:25.140 we

01:07:25.380 blame

01:07:25.680 immigrants

01:07:26.280 we

01:07:26.540 blame

01:07:27.220 Russian

01:07:28.080 Americans

01:07:28.760 Muslims

01:07:30.200 Chinese

01:07:30.840 everybody

01:07:31.480 but

01:07:32.380 we

01:07:33.380 feel

01:07:33.620 that

01:07:33.820 something

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01:07:35.060 is

01:07:35.260 better

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01:07:35.720 the

01:07:36.400 most

01:07:37.460 correct

01:07:38.900 blame

01:07:39.560 in my

01:07:40.760 opinion

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01:07:43.020 blame

01:07:43.660 Soros

01:07:44.260 to

01:07:44.520 blame

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01:07:45.820 to

01:07:46.020 blame

01:07:46.540 liberals

01:07:47.040 but

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01:07:48.340 are

01:07:48.500 not

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01:07:52.480 behind

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01:07:53.740 it

01:07:54.000 is

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01:07:56.900 the

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01:07:57.760 the

01:07:57.980 existence

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01:08:04.200 potentials

01:08:05.480 demons

01:08:06.360 satan

01:08:08.400 satan

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01:08:10.460 they

01:08:10.740 should

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01:08:15.640 more

01:08:15.880 and more

01:08:16.260 felt

01:08:17.240 by

01:08:17.740 people

01:08:19.080 I think

01:08:19.560 yeah

01:08:20.620 I think

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01:08:21.320 becoming

01:08:21.600 increasingly

01:08:22.140 difficult

01:08:22.580 for

01:08:23.060 people

01:08:23.440 to

01:08:23.660 deny

01:08:23.940 that

01:08:24.280 and

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01:08:25.060 willing

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01:08:25.560 it

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01:08:27.100 mocked

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01:08:29.620 it

01:08:29.720 it's

01:08:29.940 too

01:08:30.120 real

01:08:30.740 to

01:08:30.920 deny

01:08:31.260 no matter

01:08:32.260 what

01:08:32.540 you've

01:08:32.800 been

01:08:33.020 shamed

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01:08:34.640 want

01:08:34.820 to

01:08:34.920 ask

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01:08:35.380 more

01:08:35.540 question

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01:08:36.040 I

01:08:36.160 should

01:08:36.300 mention

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01:08:37.200 this

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01:08:38.720 time

01:08:38.940 difference

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01:08:39.540 we

01:08:39.900 won't

01:08:40.040 be

01:08:40.160 able

01:08:40.300 to

01:08:49.560 the

01:08:49.860 book

01:08:50.180 you

01:08:50.720 discuss

01:08:51.360 the

01:08:51.620 need

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01:08:54.140 make

01:08:54.520 war

01:08:54.820 on

01:08:55.020 the

01:08:55.140 west

01:08:55.440 that

01:08:55.720 there

01:08:55.940 you

01:08:56.600 seem

01:08:56.800 to

01:08:56.900 even

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01:08:57.340 framing

01:08:57.620 of

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01:09:05.540 of

01:09:05.660 people

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01:09:06.180 think

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01:09:07.080 rightly

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01:09:08.560 this

01:09:08.780 many

01:09:09.020 people

01:09:09.260 are

01:09:09.400 saying

01:09:09.700 Alexander

01:09:10.700 Dugan

01:09:11.000 is

01:09:11.160 trying

01:09:11.420 to

01:09:11.600 destroy

01:09:11.940 me

01:09:12.120 and

01:09:12.240 my

01:09:12.400 family

01:09:12.800 he

01:09:13.020 wants

01:09:13.200 to

01:09:13.360 destroy

01:09:13.660 my

01:09:13.860 civilization

01:09:14.280 he's

01:09:14.720 trying

01:09:14.880 to

01:09:14.980 bring

01:09:15.440 about

01:09:15.660 the

01:09:15.820 end

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01:09:16.040 the

01:09:16.160 world

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01:09:19.040 a

01:09:19.160 man

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01:09:19.740 is

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01:23:53.260 you

01:23:53.440 could

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01:23:53.980 to

01:23:54.440 one

01:23:54.700 conclusion

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01:23:55.420 others

01:23:55.820 so

01:23:56.120 it

01:23:56.440 is

01:23:56.600 some

01:23:57.020 invitation

01:23:58.260 to

01:23:58.640 think

01:23:59.060 it

01:23:59.600 is

01:23:59.740 not

01:23:59.920 just

01:24:00.320 the

01:24:00.560 final

01:24:01.480 results

01:24:04.260 of

01:24:04.960 the

01:24:05.140 thoughts

01:24:05.440 what

01:24:05.740 I

01:24:06.160 want

01:24:06.880 what

01:24:07.220 I

01:24:07.460 desire

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01:24:08.660 to

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01:24:10.600 the

01:24:12.200 capacity

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01:24:15.340 thought

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01:24:16.600 it

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01:24:17.820 I

01:24:18.500 don't

01:24:18.760 consider

01:24:19.180 my

01:24:19.440 works

01:24:19.800 as

01:24:20.220 personal

01:24:21.240 individual

01:24:21.740 works

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01:24:25.140 an

01:24:25.260 invitation

01:24:25.720 to

01:24:26.340 think

01:24:27.600 authentically

01:24:28.340 and

01:24:28.760 if you

01:24:29.820 disagree

01:24:30.300 with

01:24:30.620 myself

01:24:31.000 if

01:24:31.520 you

01:24:31.740 criticize

01:24:32.540 me

01:24:33.180 if

01:24:33.600 you

01:24:33.760 abandon

01:24:34.100 me

01:24:34.320 that

01:24:34.780 is

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01:24:35.840 important

01:24:36.420 so

01:24:37.080 if

01:24:37.460 you

01:24:37.680 try

01:24:38.240 to

01:24:38.720 start

01:24:39.220 maybe

01:24:40.000 you

01:24:40.280 will

01:24:40.480 find

01:24:40.860 something

01:24:41.380 I

01:24:42.040 didn't

01:24:42.900 think

01:24:43.580 ever

01:24:44.500 there

01:24:44.960 is

01:24:45.200 there

01:24:46.380 because

01:24:46.940 many

01:24:47.420 people

01:24:47.840 talk

01:24:50.620 to

01:24:50.820 me

01:24:51.100 that

01:24:51.580 they

01:24:51.880 have

01:24:52.080 discovered

01:24:52.540 something

01:24:52.980 in this

01:24:53.480 page

01:24:53.820 in this

01:24:54.140 book

01:24:54.440 that

01:24:55.020 I

01:24:55.660 didn't

01:24:56.820 have

01:24:57.080 in

01:24:57.240 mind

01:24:57.540 that

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01:24:58.040 very

01:24:58.340 important

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01:24:59.960 of

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01:25:08.460 feeling

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01:25:10.300 the

01:25:10.480 coding

01:25:10.840 it

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01:25:11.300 kind

01:25:11.920 of

01:25:12.520 many

01:25:13.580 paths

01:25:14.020 as many

01:25:14.800 books

01:25:15.080 as so

01:25:15.880 many

01:25:16.200 paths

01:25:16.740 and so

01:25:17.560 many ways

01:25:18.240 to get

01:25:18.660 out of

01:25:19.120 matrix

01:25:19.560 so

01:25:20.680 I

01:25:21.660 think

01:25:22.120 you

01:25:23.140 could

01:25:23.520 start

01:25:23.860 wherever

01:25:26.100 you

01:25:26.380 want

01:25:26.640 excellent

01:25:28.380 all right

01:25:28.800 well people

01:25:29.300 can explore

01:25:30.140 your work

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01:25:31.120 their

01:25:31.500 leisure

01:25:32.340 at their

01:25:32.660 own

01:25:32.800 interest

01:25:33.160 and

01:25:33.460 begin

01:25:34.320 at

01:25:34.680 whatever

01:25:34.940 volume

01:25:35.420 they

01:25:35.640 would

01:25:35.820 like

01:25:36.100 I'd

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01:25:36.600 thank

01:25:36.780 you

01:25:36.960 so

01:25:37.180 much

01:25:37.320 for

01:25:37.460 coming

01:25:37.660 on

01:25:37.840 I

01:25:37.920 think

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01:25:38.220 been

01:25:38.340 a

01:25:38.540 fascinating

01:25:39.380 conversation

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01:25:54.140 sorry

01:25:54.440 again

01:25:54.780 this

01:25:55.000 isn't

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01:25:55.480 so we

01:25:55.800 won't

01:25:55.940 be able

01:25:56.180 to do

01:25:56.480 audience

01:25:56.800 questions

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - September 03, 2025

Multipolarity and the End of Postmodernism ｜ Guest： Alexander Dugin ｜ 9⧸3⧸25

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