The Auron MacIntyre Show - Nick Land and the IQ Shredder ｜ 8⧸10⧸23

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

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00:00:33.760 We're going to be jumping back into the series on Nick Land and his thought.

00:00:38.940 Today we're going to be looking at a subject that is not new to Nick Land.

00:00:42.800 He's not actually the originator of the idea.

00:00:45.460 But he does have a very nice summary of kind of the concepts and his thoughts on it here.

00:00:50.360 We're going to be talking about IQ Shredders. 1.00

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00:00:57.260 How civilizations that concentrate their talent inside cities change the way that they function.

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00:03:39.560 All right, guys, so let's go ahead and get started looking at Nick Land's work here with the IQ Shredder.

00:03:47.000 Now, like I said, this concept is not original to him.

00:03:50.380 It's actually original to another very important kind of writer and blogger for neo-reactionary thought who goes by the pen name of Spandrel.

00:04:00.920 He was one of the original people who kind of came up with this idea.

00:04:05.160 And it's so often the case when we look at some of Nick Land's work, he's often already in the process of a conversation.

00:04:12.240 He's often like, you know, when we look at the Dark Enlightenment, he's really already read Yarvan.

00:04:17.380 He's reacting to Yarvan.

00:04:18.760 He's talking about his ideas and exploring them in more detail, kind of applying his own thought, his own kind of trained philosophy to the thoughts of Yarvan.

00:04:28.060 The same thing is true here.

00:04:29.460 This is a part of his Xenosystems series, but it is really a fragment that is in the context of kind of an ongoing discussion on the topic.

00:04:40.980 So I'll be filling some of that back in.

00:04:43.240 Now, before we get started, I want to talk a little bit about cities, right?

00:04:48.880 We need to talk about cities.

00:04:50.720 We need to talk about concentrations of population because that's going to be really key when we jump into the text itself.

00:04:57.800 So something we may not think a whole lot about, but it is true. 0.99

00:05:01.920 And you can look at it.

00:05:02.640 It's not just somebody like Nick Land or Spandrel.

00:05:05.000 You don't have to go to kind of out there, neo-reactionary authors to kind of look at this concept.

00:05:10.580 You could read somebody like Christopher Lash in The Revolt of the Elites, or you could look at somebody like Charles Murray in Coming Apart.

00:05:17.800 And they talk about this phenomenon of kind of gleaning the social capital away from the hinterlands and gathering it into centers of population.

00:05:28.920 So, for instance, what does everybody need to do right now to kind of raise their social level, climb the social ladder, and improve their chances of getting a better job?

00:05:39.920 Well, you could start a company.

00:05:42.120 You could become a plumber.

00:05:44.140 There are a couple different routes.

00:05:46.280 It doesn't always have to be the same thing.

00:05:48.600 But for the most part, if you want to elevate your socioeconomic status, you need to go to college, right?

00:05:54.340 And to go to college, you usually need to go to a population center.

00:05:59.400 You do have an increasing number of colleges everywhere now because it's so ubiquitous, because everybody has to go to it.

00:06:07.440 But most little towns don't have one.

00:06:10.260 And even the larger towns that have an okay one, they're not very prestigious.

00:06:14.740 If you want to get a really good job, if you want to make big connections, which is probably the more important part of college, then you need to go ahead and go to these bigger schools that are in these population centers.

00:06:27.100 Well, how do you get into these?

00:06:28.840 Well, you have to take what is more or less an IQ test, right?

00:06:32.040 You have to take SATs, you have to take ACTs, you have to take these tests that go ahead and skim kind of the top cognitive population from any given area.

00:06:44.680 So what's happening?

00:06:45.600 Well, a lot of the people, you know, if you had a more regional society, many people from kind of the lower or middle classes who kind of broke through and had a better IQ would have grown up in those areas, they would have stayed in those towns, and they might have been leaders in those towns.

00:07:02.020 They might have had, you know, they might have started nice, good businesses, there might have been elected mayor, or they might have, you know, done something to better their community.

00:07:10.620 They would have been high-functioning members inside their class, inside their community, right?

00:07:16.460 But what happens now?

00:07:18.680 Well, staying in town is in many ways kind of a death sentence.

00:07:23.140 I mean, if you've been in kind of the college sphere, you know the word townie, right?

00:07:27.560 What's townie mean?

00:07:28.940 Oh, that means somebody who is from the town in which the university is, but is not part of the university.

00:07:36.540 And they're usually looked down on because they were not selected by this kind of class selection machine, this IQ selection machine, and drawn in.

00:07:46.120 They're just kind of the local stock, right?

00:07:48.540 So maybe they don't belong here in the sense that even though it's their town, right, that it's even though it's literally the place they live, they don't belong in your sphere of kind of highly selected people.

00:08:01.500 And so what happens with these colleges?

00:08:05.360 Well, they suck talent out of all these different areas, and they concentrate it in these usually more urban areas, these more populated areas.

00:08:14.760 So now these people who would have been leaders in their hometown, they would have been businessmen, they would have been politicians, they would have been, you know, valuable members of the church, they would have solved community problems.

00:08:26.520 They could have elevated kind of the level of their class, the level of their town.

00:08:32.860 They're not there anymore, right?

00:08:34.280 They've been skimmed out of that.

00:08:36.760 They've been selected out by these kind of IQ selection machines that combs through our society and pulls out all the most promising people.

00:08:47.740 And it picks those people up and it places them into these cities, right?

00:08:52.000 Now, Charles Murray, in his book, Coming Apart, warns about this cognitive selection because for him, it actually creates a scenario where there's too big of a cognitive gap.

00:09:03.560 See, further back in human history, when we didn't have a bunch of machines and we didn't have a bunch of mass production, we didn't have a lot of things to do our work for us.

00:09:14.020 Intelligence was important, but it wasn't the only important skill, you know, your skill in combat, your brute strength.

00:09:22.120 There are many things that could have been necessary to kind of survival of the community, to your personal survival, to your family survival, these kind of things that weren't IQ, right?

00:09:32.720 But now that we have moved away from much of that, now that we've replaced much of that kind of labor, that muscle power, even that combat with machines and automation, these kind of things, mass production, really IQ becomes kind of the most important thing.

00:09:51.220 And so now all of these people who are being selected for IQ are being pulled out of these areas to which they were born, where they could have bettered, and instead they're being concentrated here.

00:10:02.400 And for Murray, that's a problem because that means that the people with the highest IQ, instead of, say, marrying someone in their hometown and kind of raising the general level, will instead move into these areas.

00:10:16.380 They will only date and marry each other, and that means that you will continually get higher and higher IQ children from those mating groups, but they will be more and more concentrated inside a particular class, inside particular geographic regions.

00:10:32.260 And so for Murray, that's a huge problem because as the value of IQ intensifies, as your society becomes more and more dependent on high IQ jobs, where that becomes the only thing that is valued in many positions, the only thing that's rewarded, you are concentrating IQ in one class or one geographic area, and you're denying it to all the others.

00:10:56.680 And so for Charles Murray, that was his big concern, and that's going to play in somewhat to what we're talking about here, though Land will have a very different opinion on that and a different concern.

00:11:08.000 Of course, this is also true of kind of the globalist perspective as well, right?

00:11:15.220 A lot of people, you hear this all the time from conservatives that are still trying to do some kind of midpoint on immigration, and they'll say things like, well, we only want the best immigrants, right?

00:11:25.840 We should have a selective system, we should have a point system, we should only take the best people to fill jobs that we can't fill otherwise, and there's a whole bunch of reasons that's wrong.

00:11:38.740 I need to do really a series on immigration in general.

00:11:43.080 I'll probably do that here in the not-so-distant future.

00:11:46.120 But one of the reasons that that's a problem is that it brain drains all these other countries, right?

00:11:53.180 I remember distinctly, my buddy was in the military, and he was serving in Afghanistan, of course, during that war, and he's talking to his translator.

00:12:01.360 And his translator is telling him about all these nice families that used to live there and how there used to be people who are doctors and stuff.

00:12:08.440 And he says, well, what happened to him?

00:12:11.200 Why don't you have that anymore?

00:12:13.000 Why is it all kind of this backwater stuff?

00:12:15.380 And the guy says, well, because anybody of quality left decades ago, right?

00:12:19.180 Like, if you could get out, you did get out.

00:12:21.600 And so all the people that could have bettered Afghanistan, that could have had a possibility of being competent leaders and providing community support and increasing the quality of life, they're all gone, right? 1.00

00:12:34.160 They all fled to Western nations.

00:12:35.960 And so not only are you taking kind of the best and the brightest from your region, regions inside your nation, and you're centralizing them inside these cities, but if you globalize, if you have this kind of open borders initiative, or even if you have a very selective process that only brings in people of a certain productivity, intelligence level, wealth, whatever,

00:13:01.000 even if you have that, you are sucking those people away from the places they live. 0.69

00:13:07.460 You're denying the places they live the highest quality people who would be most likely to provide competent leadership, bring their communities to better places, raise the intelligence level, build infrastructure, found companies, all of these things.

00:13:24.520 They're all gone because they all ran away to these better places where they concentrate all these IQ capable, you know, high IQ capable people, right?

00:13:35.740 And so this is a problem that happens all the time.

00:13:39.200 To be really clear, and this is going to be one of the tensions in this essay once we get into it, is that the question is, is this a one-time problem we're facing right now?

00:13:49.060 Is this a problem specifically of modernity?

00:13:52.000 Or is this a problem of kind of wider cultures?

00:13:55.220 Is this a cycle of history that civilizations go through as they kind of mature?

00:14:01.100 I think if you are, if you're familiar with me, you know, I'm a little bit of a cyclical history guy.

00:14:07.360 And I think that these are cycles that we go through.

00:14:10.220 I think we can see this, you know, the cycle of history, pulling people off of their land into these cities, kind of eating, chewing them up, spitting them out and causing a very particular phenomenon.

00:14:23.800 In fact, Oswald Spengler, in Decline of the West, goes into this in great detail, explaining kind of why the metropolis, the giant metropolis, we think of that as like the height of the civilization when it builds this, you know, the great Roman city or New York or something like that, Hong Kong.

00:14:41.040 And that's like the height of the civilization.

00:14:44.500 But for Spengler, that's actually like the downslide of the civilization that's going to lead to the death of civilization because you're taking all of your people of competence.

00:14:55.720 You're pulling them off of the land.

00:14:57.140 You're concentrating them into the cities.

00:14:58.480 You're separating them from kind of the metaphysical animating spirit of your civilization.

00:15:03.580 And you're kind of turning them into this cold and bloodless kind of machine that then operates society.

00:15:11.620 So, you know, I'll go ahead and kind of, you know, give you a little bit of spoiler alert.

00:15:16.400 That's kind of where I think we are.

00:15:18.020 But let's go ahead and jump into what Land thinks here.

00:15:20.240 I've talked a lot about, you know, what I think and kind of prequel here.

00:15:23.880 But let's let's land speak about this a little bit and then we'll break down what he has to say.

00:15:29.300 Remember, he's in he's in he's in a dialogue with people here.

00:15:33.200 He's in a dialogue with Spandrel.

00:15:34.760 He's in a dialogue with some of the other neo reactionary kind of thinkers of the day.

00:15:41.140 So when we get into this, remember that this this is a dialogue that's happening here.

00:15:44.820 This is just something that he kind of wrote spontaneously.

00:15:47.280 There are all kinds of anti tech com arguments that impress people who don't like techno commercialism.

00:15:56.580 Anything appealing to a feudal sensibility with low tolerance for chaos and instability and a reverence for traditional hierarchies and modes of life will do.

00:16:06.320 All right. So what does that mean?

00:16:07.320 That's a little bit of inside baseball.

00:16:08.900 So let me explain what he's talking about here.

00:16:10.520 So in this time and, you know, still today, for those who are reactionaries, who who aren't just conservative, but kind of reject many, you know, many tenets of what people call progress.

00:16:27.420 There is there's a little bit of a disagreement.

00:16:30.900 Right. There's a couple of different factions.

00:16:32.660 People will just say neo reactionaries or reactionaries as if it's all one thing.

00:16:37.240 But it's not that they kind of all have a general disagreement with kind of the current system, but they don't all have the same goals, the same values, those kind of things.

00:16:47.500 One of the factions is the techno commercialist.

00:16:49.720 This is this is the Landian faction.

00:16:51.580 This is Nick Land's faction.

00:16:53.260 And for them, you know, the technology is good.

00:16:56.200 The future is something to be embraced.

00:16:58.760 It's the only way out of the problem.

00:17:00.600 And so they're chasing down technological solutions.

00:17:03.560 So they're embracing things.

00:17:05.560 This is why Land is called an accelerationist in this sense, because he thinks that we just need to go faster to kind of to reach an escape velocity and get away from the problems of kind of what might be seen as, you know, human cyclical history.

00:17:19.760 There are others who are more of a I want to return to a simpler time.

00:17:27.020 Right. I want to return to natural hierarchies.

00:17:29.480 I kind of want a neo feudalism.

00:17:31.700 I want to I want to get rid of many of the things that I see as a problem with kind of the modern world and return to different forms of social organization that were more popular in the past.

00:17:41.900 And what he's saying here is that there, you know, that there are a lot of arguments for kind of against the techno commercial side by kind of the more traditional side.

00:17:55.260 They'll have a lot of problems with what's going on.

00:17:58.320 And he dismisses some of them because they just don't share the same goals.

00:18:01.840 But as he's going to say here, he's going to say this one, the IQ shredder problem is a real one.

00:18:07.740 And if you're a techno commercialist, if you're somebody who embraces this kind of technological acceleration and thinking that the technology in the future will solve this problem, then you need to take this one seriously.

00:18:17.680 Because while some of the other arguments against your position might just be because they share different values, this one really attacks kind of the heart of of the techno commercialist option.

00:18:29.600 And so he's going to say that this is something we need to pay attention.

00:18:33.440 There's one argument.

00:18:34.620 And here's where he's going to say it.

00:18:36.140 I kind of skipped ahead a little bit, but here he says it.

00:18:38.360 There's one argument, however, that stands apart from the rest due to its complete independence from controversial moral or aesthetic preferences.

00:18:46.260 Or in other words, due to its eminence, it does not seek to persuade the proponents of hyper capitalist social arrangement to value other things, but only points out coldly and actually that such arguments are demonstrably self subverting at the biological level.

00:19:05.100 All right.

00:19:05.360 So what's he saying here?

00:19:06.260 He's saying, again, there might be some disagreements from people who prefer tradition and those who prefer this kind of technological acceleration option.

00:19:15.280 But this one cannot be discarded.

00:19:19.340 This one is not just, well, we value this part of humanity or spirituality, religion, this kind of thing, and you value advancement technology.

00:19:29.780 So we just have different values and those things can't be resolved.

00:19:33.740 He's saying that's not the case when it comes to the IQ shredder.

00:19:37.000 This is a very real problem that strikes at the very heart of techno commercial ideas.

00:19:41.280 Ideas, for anybody who's not invested in all this lingo, an easy way to just think about it is this, is can technology actually solve this problem, right?

00:19:51.020 Like, like, is this a problem of eternal problem of human organization tied to the human condition?

00:19:57.560 Or can technology actually outrun the societal fault? 0.51

00:20:03.140 And that's what he's going to be investigating here today.

00:20:06.440 Is the IQ shredder an inevitability that will impact everyone's society? 0.81

00:20:12.820 Or is this something that technology can outrun?

00:20:15.840 It does not seek to persuade, or I did that part, sorry.

00:20:20.800 The most devastating formulation of the argument, and one that has given, was given its convenient name, was presented by Spandrel in March 2013.

00:20:30.400 So this is actually pretty old.

00:20:32.700 And a post on Singapore, a city-state he described as an IQ shredder.

00:20:38.260 All right, so now we're going to get to the important part.

00:20:40.460 Remember, he's in a dialogue with people like Spandrel here, right?

00:20:43.320 All right, so how does an IQ shredder work?

00:20:48.620 The basic machinery is not difficult to describe once its profound social historical irony is appreciated.

00:20:55.480 The model IQ shredder is a high-performance capitalistic polity with a strong neo-reactionary bias.

00:21:03.080 So again, he's already kind of pointed out what does that mean?

00:21:06.540 Something like Singapore, right?

00:21:07.900 For those who don't know, Singapore is a very advanced, it's a city-state, basically.

00:21:14.480 It's very selective in who gets in.

00:21:18.960 It does allow immigration, but it's highly selective, right?

00:21:23.200 And it's very serious.

00:21:24.700 They execute people for drug use, right?

00:21:27.240 Like, this is a very strict place.

00:21:30.740 You have to want to be there.

00:21:32.240 You have to fight to be there.

00:21:34.000 You have to prove yourself worthy to be there.

00:21:36.360 And once you're there, you don't have a lot of rights, you know, the way that we think about them in the West.

00:21:40.360 But still, people want to be there because it's very safe.

00:21:43.480 It's very productive.

00:21:45.320 You can make a lot of money.

00:21:46.940 You can have a lot of very modern amenities.

00:21:51.520 It's very clean.

00:21:52.520 Again, it's a very nice place to live as long as you understand that there are very serious restrictions on kind of how you can live there, which is probably why it's a nice place to live.

00:22:05.000 But that's how it is.

00:22:06.160 So he's going to run through kind of these ideas of what an IQ shredder is.

00:22:12.180 So one, it's a level of civilization and social order is such that is attractive to talented and competent people.

00:22:19.060 So that's really important, right?

00:22:20.380 First, if you're going to create a civilization like this, it needs to be attractive to talented and competent people, right?

00:22:27.860 You have to be attracting a certain type of person to concentrate IQ in a place like this.

00:22:33.940 Now, if you have been paying attention to the series, you might have come across the one where me and Prudentialist talk about patchwork, which is Curtis Yarvin's system of basically a million little Singapores.

00:22:50.200 Nick Land was a big fan of this, right?

00:22:51.860 He that's one of the reasons he latched on to this, because he felt like that was a very good solution to the many of the problems he was facing.

00:22:59.040 And so in that argument, you know, you kind of have these little patches and each one governs itself and people can leave anytime they want.

00:23:05.740 But getting in is more difficult.

00:23:06.920 So the only the highest quality people will kind of be drawn to certain patches, certain little Singapores.

00:23:14.280 And that's what he's saying is like the first step in creating this IQ shredder is it needs to have a needs to be really clean.

00:23:22.760 It needs to be really safe.

00:23:23.800 It needs to be really advanced.

00:23:25.120 It needs to select for the kind of things that will draw people in.

00:23:29.700 It needs to have the right incentives that will bring in people who are competent and talented, high IQ people, right?

00:23:36.300 That's what that's what they're looking for.

00:23:37.600 Number two, its immigration policy is unapologetically selective, i.e. first order eugenic.

00:23:45.260 OK, very scary word there.

00:23:46.680 What's he saying?

00:23:47.600 They're selecting for high IQ people.

00:23:51.100 You know, this is what universities do, by the way, or did at least for a long time, right?

00:23:58.220 They're selecting for people who can prove a high degree of competence, intelligence, productivity.

00:24:04.500 They are being eugenic in the sense that they are selecting it particularly.

00:24:09.660 I see people saying, how is IQ getting shredded?

00:24:11.700 Don't worry, we're going to get there.

00:24:13.400 But first, we have to explain how it gets concentrated.

00:24:16.460 Third, it sustains an economic structure that is remarkably effective at extracting productive activity from all available adults.

00:24:25.200 So it needs to be built in a way that is very good at extracting that productivity, right?

00:24:32.760 They need the efficiency.

00:24:33.980 They need the productivity, right?

00:24:36.160 They need to pull that out of there.

00:24:37.700 So it needs to have an economic system that is very particularly good at doing this.

00:24:42.500 So it's going to be highly capitalistic.

00:24:44.260 It's going to have this kind of evolutionary aspect to it where it's burning away what doesn't work and it's selecting for what works and it extracts it at kind of the highest level of efficiency possible.

00:24:56.640 And four, it is effectively specialized within a wider commercial network to which it provides valuable goods and services and from which it draws economic and demographic resources.

00:25:07.300 So this is a really important one.

00:25:09.100 This last one is very important.

00:25:10.240 I think the other three are pretty easy to understand.

00:25:12.200 But this one is really important.

00:25:13.200 IQ Shredders can't exist on their own, okay? 1.00

00:25:16.480 IQ Shredders are basically parasitic in a way. 1.00

00:25:22.040 And we'll see why in a moment.

00:25:24.620 They can't – they can produce a lot of things, but they've got to be able to sell it to someone.

00:25:29.780 You need markets elsewhere.

00:25:31.420 It needs to be part of an economic commercial network where it can distribute the things that it's extracting.

00:25:37.660 And it needs to be able to extract demographic resources.

00:25:41.240 What does that mean?

00:25:42.020 Okay, so here's where we'll get to how the IQ gets shredded, okay?

00:25:46.700 This is ultimately the problem, right?

00:25:48.780 At first, you're like, okay, well, people might agree or disagree with concentrating all these intelligent people.

00:25:54.160 But in general, it seems like it's going to be fine, right?

00:25:56.520 That's going to be good, right?

00:25:58.560 It's going to be a nice society if nothing else.

00:26:00.660 Even if you disagree with kind of how it gets there, maybe that's not what you want for your society.

00:26:05.540 It'll be good, right?

00:26:06.480 Here's the problem, guys.

00:26:08.980 There's a serious issue with people in metropolitan areas having children.

00:26:14.140 They, you know, people, high IQ people who are very driven by their jobs, who are obsessed with production and focusing on their jobs, they tend not to have kids.

00:26:26.980 They tend not to reproduce.

00:26:28.060 So you take all this IQ, you concentrate it.

00:26:32.520 That's great, right?

00:26:33.840 Okay, they're doing all kinds of cool things.

00:26:35.680 They're building, you know, all kinds of amazing technologies.

00:26:39.040 They're working in financial sectors.

00:26:40.640 That's unfortunately what a lot of the IQ ends up doing instead of actually doing what are actually productive things.

00:26:45.820 They just kind of self, you know, it's just building financial derivatives on top of themselves over and over again.

00:26:53.100 But the problem is these people don't have kids.

00:26:56.760 And when they don't have kids, that IQ gets burned, right?

00:27:00.140 You're concentrating on this IQ.

00:27:01.980 You're bringing it all together in one place.

00:27:04.100 It's all serving a particular capitalistic model.

00:27:07.340 It's creating, you know, all these financial things.

00:27:09.860 But it's not really producing a lot of hard products.

00:27:14.300 And these people aren't having kids.

00:27:16.760 And so their IQ is not getting passed on into the next generation.

00:27:20.540 So you're taking all of your IQ.

00:27:22.080 You're skimming all of your IQ from either, you know, inside the nation or if you're in a global model across the entire world.

00:27:30.820 And you're skimming all this IQ.

00:27:32.280 You're taking the cream off the top of everything.

00:27:34.260 And you're dumping it into these highly productive cities that are super nice places to live, right?

00:27:40.120 They're very clean.

00:27:40.940 They're very productive.

00:27:42.320 Lots of money to be made.

00:27:43.960 Amazing, you know, art, entertainment, food, whatever.

00:27:47.620 But people don't have kids.

00:27:50.020 And then it stops producing more people with high IQs.

00:27:53.700 And so you actually end up shredding that IQ, right?

00:27:57.040 That's the problem it runs into.

00:27:59.520 So we'll get more into that in a second.

00:28:01.780 But let's go ahead and jump back in here.

00:28:03.640 With what Land is saying.

00:28:05.980 In sum, it skims the human genetic stock regionally and even globally, in large part due to the exceptional opportunity it provides and for the conversion of bioprivileged human capital into economic value.

00:28:20.500 So more or less a restatement of what I was saying there, right?

00:28:23.960 That it skims through the entire region or even the globe.

00:28:28.220 It pulls people in because it's got all these amenities.

00:28:31.480 It's much cleaner.

00:28:33.000 It's much safer.

00:28:34.300 It's got the best educations.

00:28:36.520 It's got the best schools.

00:28:37.520 It's got the best neighborhoods.

00:28:38.680 It's got the best food.

00:28:40.320 It's got the best culture.

00:28:42.600 But and it rewards all these people in a way know their place can do this, right?

00:28:47.160 There's a reason people who are smart move to cities, right?

00:28:50.680 It's not just because the university is there.

00:28:52.920 So that is part of it.

00:28:54.400 But it's because these large cities can offer rewards that a local city can't.

00:28:59.180 If you're a high IQ person and you're living in the middle of nowhere in some kind of rural area, then the best you can do is like be the mayor of the rural area.

00:29:10.060 Which, you know, is better than not being that.

00:29:12.480 But if you're a really high IQ person, you might be able to run a Fortune 500 company or lead a nation or, you know, run a military or be an advanced researcher at a high powered, you know, or be a high powered attorney in some law firm somewhere.

00:29:29.820 Like there's a lot of things where you can make a bunch of money and have a lot of amenities and live a live the life of a true elite, a lush elite, right?

00:29:37.420 You can do all of these things if you move to a city, but you can't do that if you stay in your region.

00:29:43.820 So this has always been something that humans do.

00:29:46.300 They move for opportunity, especially if they're kind of excuse me, if they're gifted kind of beyond their station, beyond, you know, the kind of the current area they can live in.

00:29:56.580 But the problem is that we're going to get this on a on a much more massive scale, right?

00:30:01.760 It's not just going to be you moving from kind of your village to the big town that's 100 miles away.

00:30:08.520 We're talking about like going across the world to Singapore, right?

00:30:12.140 So this is a much higher kind of concentration and a much wider net that it's throwing to cast and skim kind of all the best and Bryce and push them into the IQ shredder.

00:30:23.560 So from a strictly from a strictly capitalistic perspective, genetic quality is comparatively wasted anywhere else.

00:30:34.300 Consequently, spontaneous current currents and economic incentives suck in talent to optimize its exploitation.

00:30:42.460 So basically saying if you're only looking at it from like the viewpoint of capitalism, if you're only looking at it from the viewpoint of kind of this production, then there's this then kind of human capital is wasted anywhere else.

00:30:59.440 If you're a brilliant person, then, yeah, it's great that you might be sitting in the middle of, I don't know, Iowa and making sure that like your town has better water and, you know, has a better fire department.

00:31:13.880 Like it's nice that you're leading them over there, but if you could have been curing cancer somewhere, if you could have been making trillions of dollars, if you could have been doing something that would have been vastly increased income and productivity and everything, then in the purely capitalist perspective, you're wasted where you are.

00:31:35.680 Now, if you're not purely interested in just efficiency, if you're not just an efficiency brain, if you're not just a hyper rationalist, then you might care more about your city, your town, your family, your community, your people, then you care about the abstract, you know, efficiency of Singapore.

00:31:56.880 So you don't care. You stay in your hometown. Right. But he's saying from a purely capitalistic perspective, that the only thing you're thinking about, then your efforts are kind of wasted there because you're not you're not factoring in like, well, these are my people.

00:32:10.460 This is this is my tradition. This is my homeland. And you're only thinking about the purely mercenary capitalistic efficiency of the whole thing.

00:32:17.800 Then you're wasted there and you would be more efficient and more useful being concentrated in a city somewhere.

00:32:23.640 Now, he's going to acknowledge this. The solution is not for everybody. Right.

00:32:28.880 If you think this sounds simply horrific, this argument is not for you. If you you don't need it.

00:32:34.860 If, on the other hand, it conjures up a vision of terrestrial paradise, as it does for the magnetized migrants, it draws in. 0.98

00:32:41.840 Then you need to follow it very carefully. So what's he saying there? He's saying, look, I get this argument is not going to be for everybody.

00:32:47.720 If you're a traditional person, if you're somebody who is tied to your religion, if you're tied to your homeland, you're tied to your family, your tradition, if you value those things more, then this argument is not going to make any sense to you.

00:33:01.960 You're not going to care. Right. It doesn't matter. So so don't worry about this.

00:33:05.460 He's focused on people with his particular goal, which is kind of this focus on accelerating kind of technological achievement and kind of escaping what he sees as a problem of kind of human existence.

00:33:22.260 Right. So he says, look, a lot of people who get drawn to these things who want to move to like a Singapore, they don't care about that stuff.

00:33:29.700 They're willing to leave their homelands, leave their families, their languages, their cultures, whatever.

00:33:33.800 And they're willing to move here because it's kind of a it's kind of a paradise. Right.

00:33:37.900 Again, you might not like the way Singapore handles certain things, but it's a much nicer place than most other areas of the world because it specifically does not allow certain people.

00:33:48.940 It specifically does not allow certain behaviors. Again, it's executing drug users, those kind of things.

00:33:54.440 It doesn't mess around. Right. And so because of that, it produces a very particular outcome.

00:33:59.700 That might not be for everybody. That might not be desirable for most people. But if it is desirable, then you need to think for certain people, then you need to think about this problem.

00:34:08.900 Right. Because while you might have that paradise now in Singapore, because it has extracted all of these high IQ people, it is also shredding their IQ.

00:34:18.640 Right. It's getting rid of it. It's slowly breaking this down and disposing of it.

00:34:22.500 And so there's a there's a shelf life on this. Right. You're burning resources to generate a particular lifestyle, but the lifestyle you're generating, it cannot self-sustain.

00:34:34.120 And so this is so the thing he's pointing out is like this is a very serious argument that people who embrace this technological accelerationism need to take seriously.

00:34:45.540 It's a real problem that will continue to present itself in the current model that they have.

00:34:50.820 And so if you ignore it, you'll just run out of resources to burn IQ wise demographically. Right.

00:34:56.680 And you'll end up with an unsustainable future.

00:35:01.780 The most advanced models of near reactionary social order on Earth work like this.

00:35:06.880 Hong Kong and Singapore, like said, is his examples here.

00:35:09.660 Combining resilient ethnic traditions with super dynamic technic economic performance to produce an open yet self-protective, civilized, social, socially tranquil and high growth enclave of outgoing broad spectrum functionality.

00:35:27.240 So he's saying you've got these kind of these models that he's looking at.

00:35:31.900 You've got the Hong Kongs and the Singapures and have a very specific tradition. Right.

00:35:35.440 They're trying to promote a very specific culture. They're very protective of it, but they are open to things like immigration.

00:35:42.520 It's not just an ethno state. Right. Like they have a they they are skimming again. 1.00

00:35:47.180 They have to they have to skim like the this these high IQ IQ people from many different cultures, many different backgrounds all over the world.

00:35:54.720 And so he's saying that that does you know, that is a way that they have this set up so that it can continue to kind of produce the outcomes that they're looking for.

00:36:04.540 The outcome, as Spandrel explains, is genetic incineration.

00:36:08.620 All right. So now we're getting to the IQ shredding part.

00:36:12.860 This this little quote here is is a quote from the Spandrel piece.

00:36:16.220 I'll go ahead and read it. But for context, basically, he did like a kind of a fake dialogue with the leader of the.

00:36:24.500 The kind of the head of Singapore or was the head of being Lee Kuan Yew.

00:36:30.040 But let's let's go ahead and jump in here real quick.

00:36:32.180 He says China will make progress.

00:36:34.260 But if you look at the per capita they've got, differences are wide.

00:36:38.820 We have the advantage of quality control of people who come in.

00:36:41.840 So we have bright Indians, bright Chinese, bright Caucasians.

00:36:45.280 So the increase in population means it increase talent.

00:36:48.680 So what's he saying there?

00:36:50.020 Well, for context, what what the the kind of fake interview with Spandrel there is trying to say that Eclipse there is that Singapore has a very selective system.

00:37:03.620 Right. They're they're only picking the best or only picking the brightest.

00:37:06.700 They're they're skimming the top off of everybody.

00:37:08.880 And so they're they're relying on the fact that as they increase their population through immigration, it's only from the brightest.

00:37:17.800 Right. It's only the brightest from Indian, India, from from Western countries, from China. 0.93

00:37:23.620 They're bringing in only the most talented people. Right.

00:37:26.660 But here comes the big question. Right.

00:37:28.640 Can you do this forever? And that's that's kind of what he says next.

00:37:31.600 How many bright Indians and bright Chinese are there, Harry?

00:37:35.360 Surely they're they're not infinite.

00:37:37.760 And what will they do in Singapore?

00:37:40.040 Well, engage in finance, marketing, rat race and depress their fertility rate down to 0.78, wasting valuable genes just so your property prices don't go down. 0.95

00:37:51.020 Singapore is an IQ shredder.

00:37:53.480 All right. So that so that that's the big thing is getting to here.

00:37:56.120 Right. Is that basically Singapore, because it's because of the nature of metropolitan life, the kind of cosmopolitan life, people tend to have fewer children.

00:38:10.020 Now, there are many, many reasons for this. Right.

00:38:12.420 The first, you know, child care becomes extremely expensive. 0.97

00:38:16.120 The cost of educating children, like when you get in these larger cities, that the normal schools are garbage.

00:38:21.600 So you have to you know, you have to pay more to put people into these into these schools, children into these schools.

00:38:29.220 There's all the cost of housing.

00:38:31.900 Extra space for children becomes very difficult. Right.

00:38:34.400 On top of this, there's also the problem, of course, of just just time.

00:38:40.960 Right. When when both adults in kind of a relationship are completely dedicated to their careers, the way that you probably have to be to get into a place like Singapore, then you are selecting individuals who are not going to have time to have children.

00:38:56.040 Right. They're not going to be able to care for their own children. 1.00

00:38:57.940 They're not going to be able to raise their own children.

00:38:59.860 They're not going to be able to devote the time.

00:39:01.320 It's going to look less and less attractive.

00:39:03.120 And this is something that Oswald Spangler talked about.

00:39:05.480 I did a video on this if you want to get his thoughts very specifically.

00:39:08.380 But Oswald Spangler talked about how once you get to a certain stage in civilizations, people just stop having kids because it becomes less and less attractive.

00:39:19.440 Kind of the amusements, the distractions, the cultural and life goals of people become too interesting, too different and too demanding.

00:39:30.460 And they kind of drive out the desire to have children. Right.

00:39:34.200 And so all of these things kind of take away from the fact that people are going to have children.

00:39:38.380 Also, obviously, you have people who are more likely to regularly use things like birth control and reliably use it. Right.

00:39:43.960 So they're going to engage in more careful behavior.

00:39:46.340 They're going to they're not going to have as many accidental children, those kind of things.

00:39:49.840 And so all of these things kind of come together and they kind of make it less likely that people will have kids.

00:39:56.780 And so you're you're not you're selecting for high IQ, but you're also ironically selecting for people who are less likely to have more children and pass on that IQ.

00:40:04.900 And that brings us to a really interesting question.

00:40:08.020 Is IQ the great filter?

00:40:11.080 Like do people do civilizations eventually get too smart and too developed to reproduce themselves?

00:40:18.180 Right. Is is the reproduction itself a function of a society that is less less developed?

00:40:25.880 So this is something, again, that that Oswald Spangler talks a lot about that basically once a society has to ask, will they have children?

00:40:34.720 The game is already over. Right.

00:40:36.180 Like once having children is not like a natural rhythm of life, it's not something that naturally happens inside a society.

00:40:42.320 Then they they kind of start to see the decline.

00:40:46.520 And again, this is something that's very cyclical. Right.

00:40:49.060 You can see this over and over again.

00:40:50.580 Of course, places like Japan and Korea are famously cratering their birth rates like South Korea is not even going to exist at this point because because the culture there is all about getting into these schools, studying all day.

00:41:04.040 Everyone, you know, everyone spends all their time at work or at school, they don't or in these kind of amusements and distractions.

00:41:10.560 They don't have kids. They don't form families. Right.

00:41:13.180 And so, you know, is there is there such thing as a society that is too high IQ?

00:41:19.120 Is there is there part of the human condition that once people get too smart, they become too involved in kind of the Byzantine ins and outs of their culture, all the different things they can pursue as a side project that aren't families?

00:41:34.020 Do they eventually just break themselves apart?

00:41:37.540 I think the answer to this question is actually yes.

00:41:39.760 I'm kind of I'm kind of on team cyclical history here.

00:41:43.300 I think this is a natural part of how civilizations are born and die.

00:41:47.860 I think Spangler's right about this.

00:41:49.220 Every civilization kind of has its life cycle.

00:41:52.340 It kind of grows up.

00:41:54.260 It expands.

00:41:56.320 It kind of solidifies itself, make kind of makes its greatest impacts and then kind of slowly withers away over time as kind of the things that it built start consuming more and more of its kind of human capital.

00:42:08.800 And the people lose the ability to kind of continue their society.

00:42:13.200 So I'm not going to continue with the.

00:42:16.720 Oh, I'll read one more paragraph here because the rest is just is just in talking between kind of different different people of that time.

00:42:28.640 But let me read one more one more paragraph.

00:42:30.320 The most hardcore capitalist response to this is to double down on the anti-human acceleration is this genetic burn rate is obviously.

00:42:38.800 unsustainable.

00:42:39.700 So we need to convert the human species into an auto intelligent roboticized capital is as fast as possible before the whole process goes down in flames. 0.88

00:42:48.760 I don't expect the suggestion to go to be well received in reactionary circles.

00:42:53.200 So for people who just like ran screaming for the exit here, what he's saying is very honestly, very radical, right?

00:43:02.360 But this is where Nick Land goes.

00:43:04.480 His solution, I think he's identifying a very real problem.

00:43:07.160 I think he's identifying a really, a really, a very real feature of human, the human condition and the cycle of history.

00:43:17.680 So Nick Land doesn't want the kind of the, uh, the civilizational collapse that's going to come, right?

00:43:25.240 He see, he foresees this, he sees the problem.

00:43:27.580 He sees that, uh, what, what's happening now in these IQ shredders is unsustainable and he doesn't want what comes next.

00:43:33.520 He wants this paradise to continue.

00:43:35.420 He wants this, uh, the kind of this tradition to continue.

00:43:38.360 He wants it to be carried on to something else.

00:43:40.420 And so his, uh, his solution is distinctly not human, uh, believe it or not, uh, you know, he, he is down for kind of this terminator future.

00:43:49.640 And he says, basically we can't escape this cycle.

00:43:53.480 It is, it is, it is very, it's built into kind of the core of humanity that we will go through this over and over again, that this, uh, you know, uh, IQ shredder phenomenon will produce itself.

00:44:04.940 That, uh, we will keep getting this concentration of intelligence in cities, uh, and then they, they will kind of slowly but surely burn out, uh, kind of our, our, uh, our civilization because they'll concentrate all of the highest IQ people from other parts of, uh, the region and bring them in and then kind of burn their intelligence on things that don't matter, like financial manipulation and, you know, having the nicest restaurant and that kind of thing.

00:44:30.800 And he says, humans are just not going to solve this problem.

00:44:33.660 Uh, he doesn't, you know, a lot of people are like, well, you can incentivize smart people to have kids.

00:44:38.700 You can, you can do that.

00:44:40.040 You know, there's a lot of, uh, some of these, uh, Norwegian countries are trying to do this now.

00:44:44.120 Scandinavian countries are trying to do this now where they're, uh, uh, you know, pay, trying to pay people to have kids, subsidize people to have kids.

00:44:51.700 Uh, Nick Land doesn't even go for that.

00:44:53.180 Right.

00:44:53.360 He doesn't, he doesn't even like, oh, well we should, you know, we should try to figure out all these ways to do that.

00:44:57.940 He just goes straight to, this is not going to get solved.

00:45:00.500 And so the best way to do this is to double down and accelerate, right?

00:45:04.840 This is why he's an accelerationist because he says, all right, so we doubled down on this anti-human accelerationism.

00:45:11.060 Uh, the genetic burn rate is obviously unsustainable.

00:45:14.620 So what do we need to do?

00:45:15.840 We convert humans into roboticized capital.

00:45:19.320 We, we need, basically we need to get people into thinking machines here real quick.

00:45:23.140 We need to turn, uh, the things that are human into things that are non-human, uh, so that the genetic, so this kind of genetic burn rate of IQ shredders can be escaped, right?

00:45:33.860 We can, we can achieve, uh, uh, escape velocity, uh, and, and, uh, kind of transfer our consciousness, transfer our intelligence into things that will not be subject to this process because it seems like we can't get out of it.

00:45:48.320 And like he says at the end, you, even in his kind of, um, more out there reactionary circles, he doesn't, he doesn't think this is going to be popular, right?

00:45:55.360 Because it's a very controversial thing to say that the thing to do is to just go ahead and, uh, put the, put the pedal to the floor, accelerate this process and go through this.

00:46:05.460 Uh, personally, I am not a fan of that solution.

00:46:09.300 I'm pro I'm on team human here, right?

00:46:12.180 Uh, uh, so, so I would not agree with land.

00:46:14.580 I would be one of these reactionaries that, uh, for whom the suggestion does not work.

00:46:18.460 However, I still think it's very important to, to think about this problem because it is a very real process.

00:46:24.240 And if we are not on this landian solution, right?

00:46:28.280 If we are not, uh, if we are not somebody, uh, who wants to accelerate this, this process and, and find some kind of technological, uh, you know, robotic solution to this problem, then we have to think about it.

00:46:41.480 And thinking about it means understanding that this might be a future, uh, a function of our civilization that we have to go through.

00:46:49.640 This might be a period in time of our civilization that we have to go through before we make it to the other side.

00:46:54.560 But, uh, cultures don't just, you know, completely burn out and die.

00:46:58.200 They, they, you know, something new is born, right?

00:47:01.460 Something new is born.

00:47:02.340 And so it could be that this is a moment in time that, uh, you know, kind of human, you know, modern humans are going through that they have to reach the other side of and then start again.

00:47:12.800 But that could mean that there are very difficult problems.

00:47:15.340 And one of the problems could be the fact that we are shredding IQ in these cities.

00:47:19.420 We are concentrating IQ in these cities.

00:47:21.400 What can be done about that?

00:47:22.860 Well, that's a much harder problem, right?

00:47:24.500 Something that I, I won't be able to get in, uh, to today, but I, I do like this essay.

00:47:29.540 I think it's really important.

00:47:30.680 It brings up something that's very, uh, very difficult problem.

00:47:33.960 Something that really no one is thinking about that.

00:47:36.500 We don't have a lot of people working on.

00:47:38.220 Uh, it's, it's a consequence of our lifestyle and of our kind of, uh, current obsession with production, uh, that we don't really grapple with.

00:47:46.620 Um, we just kind of say, oh, you know, we'll figure it out.

00:47:49.380 And then we kind of just barrel through it.

00:47:50.760 And it might be that, that no civilization does have the discipline to address this issue.

00:47:55.480 Or maybe we could, maybe we could be the first civilization that's able to do that by making certain sacrifices and think about it a certain way.

00:48:02.220 But we can't do that until we're at least looking at the problem.

00:48:04.900 Uh, we see land solution.

00:48:06.640 Land solution is something I think a lot of people wouldn't like.

00:48:09.300 Uh, so if you don't like land solution, it's start time to start thinking about another one, because if you don't, uh, the problem he's talking about is very real and you will keep running into it over and over again.

00:48:19.700 All right, guys.

00:48:20.520 Uh, we had a few questions over here.

00:48:22.860 So let me switch over to that's very quick.

00:48:26.960 Let's see the elite elite here for $10.

00:48:30.280 Thank you very much.

00:48:31.140 Would you like to, uh, would like to hear you talk about America being founded by Englishmen to be an English nation.

00:48:36.520 See, many people think that there's a generic European as though that's all the same, maybe with Sargon.

00:48:42.720 Uh, yeah, that would be interesting.

00:48:44.060 I think, um, I think Sargon or perhaps, uh, Scott Mannion, I think is also someone who talks about this to some extent.

00:48:52.080 Uh, so yeah, it could be interesting though.

00:48:54.280 I think, you know, I think that, uh, while obviously the country's, uh, originally founded, uh, mainly on the Anglo, uh, kind of paradigm, uh, America has very much become its own thing.

00:49:06.360 Uh, much to the stress of some people in England, uh, but it, but it is its own character.

00:49:11.860 And so while it may be interesting to talk about those roots and, uh, maybe that distinct from a wider European project, um, I think that it's, it's hard to pretend that America, um, did not kind of, uh, turn into its own thing later on.

00:49:26.380 So, but that might be worth addressing.

00:49:28.280 Thanks.

00:49:28.520 Thanks for that suggestion there.

00:49:30.140 Uh, Florida Henry here for $5, uh, considering city people have a low birth rate seems like an intelligence death spiral.

00:49:36.760 Yeah.

00:49:37.000 Florida Henry, I think you said that earlier, but you kind of figured out exactly where we were going, right?

00:49:41.400 That, that there is a very real problem that IQ actually seems to be something that selects out for, uh, you know, kind of reproduction.

00:49:50.420 Uh, and so, uh, if you are concentrating people into these cities and people are much, much, much less likely to have, uh, children once they're in them, then you do end up in this IQ shredder, this intelligence death spiral.

00:50:02.400 And that is really the core of the problem that he's talking about there.

00:50:05.660 Uh, but, but some, again, the, the real issue, the reason that this one, it's different this time, you know, that's again, cyclical recurring.

00:50:13.120 It's an issue that happens over and over to civilizations, but this time it's happening on a global scale, right?

00:50:19.100 Previously when this happened, it might've happened in the Mediterranean, Italy, Rome, you know, it might've happened across some other kind of dying empire.

00:50:27.860 But in, uh, this case, because we have a more global, uh, view because, you know, it's very easy to recruit and draw from all these areas.

00:50:36.420 And there's these elite networks that let you do it in a moment's notice.

00:50:39.500 And we have far more complicated commercial networks that let them, you know, distribute these things and draw demographic resources from these areas.

00:50:46.140 Like land talked about, uh, it's now a much wider scale, right?

00:50:49.900 So this is no longer a problem that just fits inside one particular region or one particular, uh, you know, uh, empire.

00:50:57.460 But something that could expand to the whole globe, right?

00:50:59.900 Because it's, you're literally pulling intelligence from all of these areas, from all of the nations of the world, not just from say, you know, the small rural village next to your large town or even your regional empire, but, but the entire globe.

00:51:13.140 So it does change the nature of the problem, uh, to some extent, or the scale of the problem, I should say, the, the, the nature of the problem stays the same.

00:51:19.440 So, uh, to tell us for $5, if the end of IQ, uh, optimization is AI, maybe shredding it.

00:51:27.080 Isn't so bad for treads reminds me of whose idea that high IQ people buy into the techno society again.

00:51:36.520 Yeah.

00:51:36.860 It depends on how comfortable you are with the AI solution.

00:51:40.540 If you think AI is, uh, an acceptable replacement for humanity, uh, then yeah, you might say, okay, it's, it's not a huge deal.

00:51:50.300 Or if you're saying, well, we just let the AI take care of us.

00:51:53.820 Well, okay.

00:51:54.540 But then we end up in like this, like Wally scenario, right?

00:51:57.220 Where, where we're, where the genetic stock is all kind of really low IQ, high time preference, uh, people who make terrible decisions for themselves, but they have a AI that basically kind of shepherds them around and, and takes care of them.

00:52:12.960 So it's okay at the end of the day.

00:52:14.900 Right.

00:52:15.460 Or, uh, what's the, um, what's the HG Wells time machine.

00:52:18.680 And I'm trying to remember the two groups.

00:52:20.560 I think one of them was like the, uh, the Elam, right.

00:52:22.660 But, uh, but, you know, these, you know, beautiful people who walk around and they just find fruit everywhere and they're eating and everything's taken care of for them.

00:52:29.940 And then you find out it's because, uh, you know, kind of these evil, uh, uh, you know, uh, terrible looking guys in the underworld are, uh, are kind of, uh, consuming them.

00:52:39.900 Right.

00:52:40.260 Uh, Eloy and the Murlocs. 1.00

00:52:41.680 Thank you guys.

00:52:42.520 Uh, yeah.

00:52:43.020 So, so, you know, you could end up in that scenario where yes, um, you know, you're, you're in this kind of beautiful paradise to some extent because AI is taking care of you, but you're actually just being farmed.

00:52:52.440 Matrix style as a battery or as, as, uh, you know, camera ballistic food.

00:52:56.360 So there's all kinds of terrible possible, uh, sci-fi out, uh, outlooks there.

00:53:01.920 Oh, let's see.

00:53:02.880 Bend over for $20.

00:53:04.340 Thank you very much, sir.

00:53:05.540 Or McIntyre for American Caesar.

00:53:07.840 Yeah.

00:53:08.060 I don't see that one happening.

00:53:10.160 Um, but, uh, but I do appreciate your support.

00:53:13.140 Uh, it's a glowing endorsement.

00:53:15.220 I certainly, uh, certainly appreciate good, good to know.

00:53:17.700 I have exactly at least one supporter, uh, if, if I decide to, to take the purple, um, you know, if I, if I choose not to, to, uh, refuse the crown three times, then I know I've got at least, uh, one, one guy back there.

00:53:31.160 Uh, let's see.

00:53:32.660 I think we've got one more now.

00:53:33.820 Uh, Ronald McNuggets here for $10.

00:53:37.380 You should read, uh, Volkmore Weiss's The Population Cycle That Drives Human History.

00:53:42.120 Talks about political angle, uh, more IQ minorities targeted for violence due to success and revenge. 0.87

00:53:49.200 Uh, very interesting.

00:53:50.460 Okay.

00:53:50.780 Yeah, no, that does sound, uh, like an interesting book.

00:53:53.660 I will take a look at that here.

00:53:57.160 All right.

00:53:57.400 Make sure to remember that.

00:53:59.200 But, uh, thank you for that suggestion because that is certainly something that I would, uh, be interested in digging into more.

00:54:06.060 All right, guys.

00:54:07.060 Well, I'm going to go ahead and wrap this up.

00:54:08.900 Thank you so much for coming by.

00:54:10.340 Again, uh, this will be part of the wider series on Nick Land.

00:54:13.760 So I've got a playlist of all the different, uh, kind of essays and, and kind of thoughts that I've had.

00:54:18.560 Uh, looking over, uh, many of Nick Land's works.

00:54:21.380 So if you want to watch that, you can always go back to the playlist, uh, on YouTube and kind of get a wider idea of what's, uh, what's going on.

00:54:29.200 This is just one of many things in a broader conversation about Nick Land, re, neoreactionary thought, uh, philosophy, that kind of thing.

00:54:36.640 All right.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - August 10, 2023

Nick Land and the IQ Shredder ｜ 8⧸10⧸23

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