The Auron MacIntyre Show - On the Nature of Empires ｜ 11⧸26⧸25

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00:00:31.000 Hey everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I am Oren McIntyre. Before we

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00:01:05.220 All right guys, we have a number of things going on. Unfortunately, some bad breaking news

00:01:11.980 that we'll dig into in just a second. The main purpose of this stream is to discuss the

00:01:17.460 natures of republics and empires and what the difference is. So this is supposed to be more

00:01:22.720 of a theory stream, more of a philosophy stream. But we have had several things happen simultaneously.

00:01:29.600 So I'm also going to be talking to you about Marjorie Taylor Greene and her kind of public

00:01:35.080 Twitter crash out, which has created quite a firestorm. We're also looking at a developing

00:01:41.920 story. This is breaking news right now. So forgive me. I have very limited details. However, it does look

00:01:48.780 like two National Guardsmen were shot in Washington, D.C. There are a number of reports going around.

00:01:55.740 Again, I'm sorry for the limited information, but this has literally happened 15 minutes before

00:02:00.400 we went live. And from what we can tell, there have been two Guardsmen shot. People are reporting

00:02:06.880 other casualties, but I just don't know enough yet to confirm anything. A lot of people, of course,

00:02:12.840 know that President Trump deployed the National Guard to Washington, D.C. to increase law and order

00:02:18.720 there. Obviously, Washington, D.C. is a place that has been very dangerous for a very long time. A

00:02:25.520 disgrace for America's capital to be that dangerous, the most powerful nation in the world, what was

00:02:31.960 supposed to be a beacon of freedom. And yet the nation's capital is dirty and dangerous. And President

00:02:37.020 Trump said, enough of that. I'm sending in the National Guard. Obviously, we right now have

00:02:42.000 no idea if this is a targeted terror attack. We know that we have seen multiple targeted terror

00:02:47.980 attacks from Antifa and Antifa-related groups on ICE agents and other government officials.

00:02:54.400 Luckily, in the past, they have been largely unsuccessful, though only due to the inept

00:02:59.340 nature of the assassins as opposed to a lack of desire to murder Americans and American soldiers and

00:03:06.920 American agents. Now, ultimately, we knew that this violence could continue to escalate.

00:03:13.900 It had been quiet for a little while after the Trump administration cracked down on many of the

00:03:19.320 ICE assaults, made more arrests, started arresting Antifa members that were linked in all capacities.

00:03:24.840 They have declared Antifa a terrorist organization, an international terror organization, which gives them

00:03:31.460 many different options. Now, again, we don't know. To make clear, there is no evidence one way or another

00:03:37.980 whether this was just a criminal who was on a crime spree and the National Guard tried to step in

00:03:43.780 as they are providing additional assistance there. If this is a targeted attack of some kind,

00:03:49.940 a terrorist attack, we just don't know. There's just not enough information at this time.

00:03:54.100 So if more information comes in on this attack as the show is ongoing, I'll do my best to bring it

00:04:00.820 to you. But right now, all I can report is that there are these two National Guardsmen that appear

00:04:07.280 to have been shot, don't know the state of them. So take a moment, pray for them, pray for their

00:04:12.240 families, pray for others that may have been wounded in this attack. And we will just have to wait and see

00:04:17.360 what is coming up next. All right. So like I said, the other piece of information,

00:04:24.180 the other breaking news is the Marjorie Taylor Greene crash out. But honestly, I think I'm going

00:04:29.840 to do that at the end because I would prefer that we get into kind of the theory section before we do

00:04:37.460 the drama section. Don't get me wrong. The MTG crash out does have political significance. So it's not

00:04:44.180 just Twitter drama. However, you know, a little bit salacious. We'll get to it. We will. But

00:04:50.820 ultimately, I would like to address the bigger issue, the issue that the video is actually named

00:04:56.560 after, the stream is actually named after, before we dig into kind of her spiral there.

00:05:04.440 All right. So let us take a look at the nature of empires. So I talk a lot about the forms of

00:05:13.280 government, because one of the issues we have, I think, when we look at the political situation,

00:05:18.540 is we don't consider the forms of government something that are embodied, that are actually

00:05:25.220 meant to serve a purpose, a people, a situation. And we have been encouraged to see them as these

00:05:31.280 abstract things that can just be dropped on to any given political arrangement, right? We just plug

00:05:38.060 in play capitalism or democracy or socialism or monarchy or whatever it is. We just take our

00:05:45.040 favorite political theory and it's the best one, right? It's like comparing scientific theories.

00:05:50.540 You just measure them against each other. And if this one is correct more often, if it is closer to

00:05:57.000 reality, then we drop the other model and we adopt that model of understanding the universe.

00:06:01.900 Boom, objective reality done over, right? And it's not to say that there aren't objectively better

00:06:08.100 or worse political systems, especially when we apply them to specific situations. But that's the

00:06:13.300 issue. We don't use the context. We just say we can pick this up and drop it down on top of people.

00:06:19.360 Now, we all know that has kind of proven to be ridiculous, right? There's been a general consensus

00:06:23.880 that's been building, even among those who are really in the neoconservative camp, that wars in

00:06:29.200 places like Afghanistan were a mistake. That the George W. Bush idea that you can just spread

00:06:34.380 liberal democracy everywhere, it's delusional. It doesn't work. We've seen it fail over and over

00:06:39.600 again. Now, the neocons are coming up with other reasons to do these kind of wars. It's not a regime

00:06:44.160 change war. It's a strike of geopolitical significance, whatever the line is. They ultimately come up with

00:06:51.900 this idea as to why it's okay to continue to engage in these foreign conflicts. But one of the reasons

00:06:58.080 we've learned that you can't just drop liberal democracy on Afghanistan is that, well, peoples

00:07:04.420 are different. Cultures are different. Human beings are different. They're not the same. They're not

00:07:09.260 blank slates. And that means that the way they're governed needs to be tailored to those people.

00:07:14.640 You can't just abstract it out, a general type of rule for everyone, and then apply it. There are no

00:07:21.180 George Washington's or Alexander Hamilton's or John Jay's sitting in the case of Afghanistan.

00:07:26.920 It's just a fundamentally different society, and it must be governed a different way.

00:07:32.420 And it's not just that people have limits. Government forms also have limits. They aren't

00:07:37.740 universal. They aren't universal ideologies. They have to be situated in a specific instance

00:07:43.360 to work. Now, the United States was founded as a republic, right? It's a republic if you can keep it.

00:07:50.040 A lot of republicans, a lot of conservatives, like to point out that we're not a democracy,

00:07:57.060 we're a republic. But if you ask them what the difference is, they can't tell you. They don't

00:08:02.340 know. They'll say something like, oh, well, we have representative governments. Well, all democracies

00:08:07.940 are representative governments at this point. There are no direct democracies in that sense. So you're

00:08:14.540 just saying there is no difference between them. But actually, republics have a particular form.

00:08:19.620 There's a particular thing that they do. And there are certain limitations on that form. And this is

00:08:25.160 part of what Franklin was ultimately saying, that the republic will only be maintained if you live in

00:08:31.740 a certain way. If you keep that republic, if you change the way you live, if you change the way that

00:08:36.520 the country is constituted, then ultimately, the constitution we just wrote for you, the republic

00:08:43.500 will not last. And I think that we have as a society, as an American empire, grown beyond what

00:08:52.420 a republic can handle. And the fact that we refuse to look at this is a real problem. Now, this is not

00:08:58.820 me arguing against republics. I think often republics are great. I think it would be ideal if we could

00:09:04.280 return back to a virtuous republic. But that's going to make us make decisions, a number of decisions

00:09:10.460 that a lot of people would not like. They would oppose. They would not like to see us have to scale

00:09:16.240 back, say, forward adventurism or many other aspects of our current society. So I think they are opposed

00:09:23.620 to the idea that we should limit ourselves in order to maintain the republic. But if we don't limit

00:09:28.620 ourselves to maintain the republic, then we only have certain other choices. Because

00:09:33.540 empire has also its own specific way that it works. It has a reason that we are compelled towards an

00:09:40.360 imperial model, just as there's a reason that people are compelled towards a republican model.

00:09:44.400 And if you don't understand these different forms of government, and why they exist, and the way that

00:09:49.400 they operate, and the different interests that they serve, then you don't understand why the country is

00:09:54.960 being pulled in two different directions. So that's really what I want to talk about today.

00:09:59.740 Now, I've talked a lot about republics before, but I just want to provide a brief overview and maybe a few,

00:10:08.360 a spruce up a few points so we have a basis for understanding where we started as opposed to where we're

00:10:13.480 going. So in the classical form of a republic, you have a virtuous set of citizens capable of self-government

00:10:20.260 through a shared set of beliefs, values, and customs. Okay, there's a reason that most of the

00:10:26.380 time republics are birthed out of monarchies. So the Romans had a monarchy that eventually turned

00:10:34.120 into a republic that eventually turned into an empire. And the United States was birthed out of a

00:10:40.580 monarchy, the UK, the English monarchy. It became a republic. And now it's turning towards empire.

00:10:48.180 If you're seeing a pattern here, there's a good reason, right? Even if you look at something like

00:10:53.260 Athens, right, it becomes this republic, it wants to be an empire, like these desires are constantly

00:11:00.240 moving through these forms of government. Now, in order to be a republic, the citizens need to be

00:11:09.140 virtuous because you have to have, again, this self-control. Citizenship in a republic is precious,

00:11:15.500 it's limited, and it conveys as many responsibilities as it does rights. The citizens of a republic don't

00:11:23.260 gain the right to vote simply because they're, like, located somewhere inside the nation. They just

00:11:28.120 happen to walk in and raise their hand and whatever. No, these people have earned the right

00:11:33.660 to be a part of the society, to have their say in the republic because they are constantly engaged

00:11:39.100 with a body politic. Classically, in most republics, citizens were the soldiers. Yes, literally,

00:11:46.200 service guaranteed citizenship. If you wanted to be respected as a citizen, you had to be able to

00:11:51.640 contribute to the fighting capacity of the republic. And you also had the responsibility of often being a

00:12:00.600 family man or a business owner or a active member of your religious community. You had to prove that

00:12:06.980 you were willing to sacrifice on behalf of society and you had the ability to contribute to it

00:12:12.420 meaningfully. There was none of this, I just show up and vote myself the money. Everybody recognized

00:12:17.780 that if you allowed republic to go to that place, it would destroy itself. Every classic philosopher,

00:12:24.160 every modern philosopher before the 1900s all knew that the minute the people had the ability to vote

00:12:30.640 themselves money, that was basically the end of the process. So if you were going to have a society

00:12:35.600 where people voted, where they had this popular sovereignty, only the people who were a net 0.97

00:12:41.000 positive, who were contributing, who were going to lose something, if you had the state start handing

00:12:46.540 over money, they were the only people who were allowed to vote. That was what it was limited to.

00:12:51.400 This is even true in the original American context, right? The vote is very narrow. It generally tends to be

00:12:58.640 men of European descent and most of which had to serve at some level in a militia. Not all of them,

00:13:04.440 but a large number of them had involvement in, you know, directly either combat or being ready to be

00:13:11.040 pulled up if necessary to defend themselves in their community. They often served as the posse for

00:13:17.020 the sheriff. You didn't usually had a police department. The men were involved. If there was

00:13:21.020 a sheriff or sometimes a constable, depending on the American tradition you're looking at, they often had

00:13:25.620 to round up the men of the city because they were assumed they would be armed and ready to involve

00:13:30.620 themselves in enforcing the law. So the idea is that constantly you had this desire and this

00:13:38.340 requirement of men to be active in their community, to take their own well-being, the safety of the

00:13:44.280 community into their own hands if they were going to be considered productive citizens.

00:13:48.660 All right. So the reason that a republic is allowed to be self-governing is because, again, the people

00:13:58.040 share a certain type of virtue. They all have an idea of what the good is. It's part of their folkway.

00:14:04.260 It's part of their tradition. And the law is really just there to guide them along the tracks they already

00:14:10.660 have laid down. So the law matters, but it's really more of an encouragement to stay on the track

00:14:17.600 they've been going on as a society. It's not a radical reinvention. It's not a bunch of social

00:14:23.180 engineering. It's kind of the way that they live. And this is why self-government is itself a kind of

00:14:30.560 misleading term, right? Because it conjures up this image of the autonomous individual, like this person

00:14:36.660 who's just doing it on their own because they're so virtuous and they don't need anyone else.

00:14:41.300 They don't need any contact society. They'd be the same as they were either way. But of course,

00:14:45.740 that's not true. Aristotle told us that virtue is practiced in community, that as a political

00:14:51.180 animal, man can only achieve his ends by being a part of a community in which he has specific roles

00:14:58.860 and specific duties. So when we say there's self-government, what we really mean is it's

00:15:04.060 community government. The community had enough social force and there's enough virtue in the individual

00:15:10.200 to follow that social cue that the government rarely need to step in. The formal state rarely

00:15:16.300 needs to step in and do anything on its own. From time to time, the civil magistrate might need to

00:15:21.700 move things one way or another. But republics are self-governing in the sense that the government has

00:15:26.360 this light touch because the community is constantly self-reinforcing. Like I said,

00:15:31.100 everyone from Aristotle to Machiavelli to the American founders, they believe that republics had to

00:15:35.620 contain virtuous populations who held themselves to account. A more powerful central ruler, it just

00:15:41.940 isn't necessary because the people are already strong. They already share the sense of identity

00:15:46.840 and morals and they don't need someone to teach it to them, to enforce it on them, to force something

00:15:53.460 that's not natural to the community on everyone. Anyone who steps out of line with that shared custom

00:15:59.660 in a republic, they're going to quickly be chastised by their fellow citizens. Authority and order

00:16:05.240 they exist, but it's the community that does the majority of the enforcement. Again,

00:16:11.520 slight touch by the civil magistrate when necessary. And so you have this deep shared

00:16:15.840 sense of identity and virtue, and that's what binds a republic together. However, there are some

00:16:21.760 downsides to this, right? Plenty of upsides. We can think of all the upsides. More liberty,

00:16:25.700 more ordered society, the ability to have more expression. You know, people do not feel this

00:16:32.260 artificial weight of tyranny upon them. Lots of fantastic things that come from republics,

00:16:37.300 but there have to be some downsides. All these forms come with downsides. Okay, there's, there's,

00:16:42.360 republics are great. Maybe the way you want to live. Maybe that's because that's the way your

00:16:46.700 people live. It's natural to you, but we have to make sure we understand there are downsides.

00:16:51.660 And for republics, the downside, one of the major ones is they're rare throughout history for a

00:16:59.020 reason, because they have a specific limitation, scale. Most successful republics have been city

00:17:05.760 states. They're small, contained societies capable of maintaining that virtue and identity. But once a

00:17:12.820 republic starts to expand, it's naturally going to include people who don't share the nation's 0.76

00:17:17.360 culture at all. In the prince, Machiavelli actually warns that if a ruler does want to expand,

00:17:22.400 he wants to conquer outside, he should only conquer nations, other peoples that share basically the 0.97

00:17:28.700 same religion or language or heritage that his nation does, because that'll allow the new people 0.99

00:17:35.240 to assimilate with the previous population. If you bring in a bunch of people with a different

00:17:39.740 language, a different religion, a totally different heritage, your compatibility is going to be very low. 1.00

00:17:44.700 And Machiavelli says, basically, you're going to either have to turn, you're going to have to

00:17:47.900 colonize this place, you're going to have to just destroy it. Like when you conquer people who are

00:17:52.660 so radically unlike you, when you try to incorporate them into your society, it's going to be very

00:17:57.360 difficult to govern as any type of ruler, but especially as a republic, because the republic has

00:18:02.880 to incorporate those people into the body politic, unless it has a very, very, very clear definition

00:18:09.260 of who a citizen is and who's not. And even then, it usually ends up shifting in favor of more

00:18:14.620 democracy and including more people, even the people that hated you. And we, of course, have

00:18:19.160 this problem. Now we just have mass democracy. If you're here for five years, you're probably going

00:18:24.120 to end up becoming a citizen and get to vote, right? I mean, you don't have to, but that's probably

00:18:28.780 what's going to happen. That's why we're constantly pushing for all kinds of amnesty and all these

00:18:33.100 things. Because if you leave people in the country long enough, some politician is going to want to

00:18:38.660 offer them power or enfranchisement so that they can get the reciprocal support and power that comes

00:18:43.860 with buying those votes, importing those votes in. So you have to be very careful as a republic when

00:18:49.400 you expand, because if you're bringing in a bunch of people from different cultures, different

00:18:53.540 languages, you're going to start breaking down the very social fabric that makes your republic 0.78

00:18:57.840 possible. So attempting to rule all these people who are very different, it's just fraught with all

00:19:05.340 kinds of difficulty. And the more different you are from the people who are coming into your country, 1.00

00:19:10.960 the less likely they are to bear the yoke of your culture correctly, which is why there's this 0.99

00:19:17.380 really angry attack on American culture because, well, people stopped feeling like they needed to

00:19:23.160 assimilate to it. Instead, they kept telling Americans, you need to change, right? We've got these

00:19:27.880 leaders in Minnesota yelling at American residents saying, well, no, you're an anti-Muslim bigot because

00:19:34.220 you don't want your entire town to be taken over by Muslim calls to prayer. And we don't have to 1.00

00:19:38.660 respect you, white guy. You don't belong in our society. And that's what they really mean,

00:19:43.840 that that's their society. Now they conquered it and took it from you because you imported too many 1.00

00:19:48.320 people who had an entirely different way of life. And guess what? They got to vote. So they started

00:19:52.980 voting a bunch of people in that believe what they believe and look like they look and talk like they

00:19:57.760 talk because that's what people actually do. And so it's very dangerous for republics, especially with

00:20:03.740 their mechanism of voting, especially if they've gone to a mass democracy where the citizenship means

00:20:08.180 very little. It's extremely dangerous to bring in people of a different country, right? That just 1.00

00:20:14.080 doesn't work very well. So this is a major problem with republics. They can be great. They can be

00:20:18.700 amazing, but they do not scale well. They do not deal with expansion, bringing in a bunch of new people.

00:20:25.640 It simply breaks down the system.

00:20:30.760 Now, the good news is there are ways to govern multicultural societies, right? If you get a 1.00

00:20:38.540 bunch of people together under a one state, one ruler, one leader, one government, but the people

00:20:47.160 are so radically different. You've got all these different nations and all these different peoples

00:20:50.500 together under that banner. There is a way to do this, and that way is called empire, right? So

00:20:56.620 multicultural empires and kingdoms, they're relying on kind of the emperor to be this binding agent,

00:21:05.020 right? So in the republic, we're leaning on culture. We're leaning on shared values. We're leaning on

00:21:11.240 virtue. But once we break apart into these constituent pieces, we have too many nations,

00:21:16.420 too many peoples, too many religions, languages, ways of life, all under one government, then there

00:21:23.280 has to be a switch. There has to be a different way that you manage these different outcomes because

00:21:29.020 the people have become too different to have these conversations on, you know, what do we really

00:21:34.880 believe and what are our shared goals and how do we want to live our lives? Unfortunately, you have

00:21:40.020 this situation where once you've lost that center, you simply can no longer continue

00:21:45.740 in this single identity without a strong leader coming in and pulling things together.

00:21:52.600 So you have the situation where the emperor is going to like start to bind things together. But to

00:21:57.220 be fair, even in a classical imperial model, most wise rulers, they're going to allow the different

00:22:02.700 parts of their empire to retain most of their character. I mean, you can try to force each nation

00:22:08.400 to have exactly the same ideas and culture and everything, but it was in the past a foolish project,

00:22:13.840 right? Instead, it was much smarter to let the different individual peoples, the different 0.99

00:22:19.960 kingdoms, the nations that had made up your empire. It was better to kind of treat them with a light

00:22:25.560 hand, just make sure that their people pay taxes and, you know, send troops to serve in the military.

00:22:31.100 Usually you'd actually utilize local leaders. In some cases, you'd even let the different nations keep

00:22:36.560 their local king. And usually you'd kill off the last line and find some distant relative you

00:22:41.620 controlled. But ultimately, as long as that guy, that proxy, whoever he was, whether it's just a

00:22:48.600 local leader, chieftain, or a full-on king, they just always had to show deference to the emperor if

00:22:54.460 they wanted to keep their head. But allowing that cultural continuity of, okay, here's someone who

00:22:59.020 at least looks like you and speaks like you and has the same religion you do, that saved empires a lot

00:23:05.380 of grief, because they simply did not have the ability to go in and crush every single culture

00:23:11.260 that was different. Now, if you do look, obviously, at different empires, there were times where they

00:23:16.100 did that, pretty famously, of course, and one that's very relevant today. The Jewish people were driven 1.00

00:23:21.840 out of Israel, where they lived at that time, because they were so hostile to the Romans and their

00:23:31.160 imposition on kind of Jewish religious practices and taxing and others, that ultimately, they led 0.76

00:23:37.880 this revolt that just made them ungovernable. The Romans had provided a large amount of allowances,

00:23:44.460 they let them worship in ways they usually don't let other people worship, they let them keep

00:23:47.980 certain rituals and different cultural contexts. Obviously, we know, if you've ever read the New

00:23:53.060 Testament, that the Pharisees and other Jewish officials were constantly in conversation with Romans,

00:23:58.620 because the Romans left that architecture in place. However, when it just got too much,

00:24:03.740 eventually, the Romans said, you know what, that's enough, they ended up wiping out a lot of Jewish 0.65

00:24:09.180 people, they destroyed the temple, the Jewish temple, they drove the Jews out from Israel. And so,

00:24:17.260 you know, again, most of the time, you see what we saw at the beginning of the Bible, which is kind of

00:24:21.960 the Romans trying to work with the Jewish people at some level, allow for their cultural practices,

00:24:26.800 allow their leaders to stay in power. However, if a subject's people got too unruly, there would be

00:24:37.060 this level of power. Ultimately, the emperor is wielding incredible power, right? There is a high

00:24:42.740 level of authority. So, a wise ruler at that time was very careful with how they deployed it, because

00:24:49.500 while they had a lot of power, they could only exert so much of it in any given place in any given

00:24:54.060 time. So, it costs them something to crack down that brutally on a place like Israel. 0.75

00:25:00.020 So, they only did it when they thought there was some kind of last resort.

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00:25:36.700 Now, you might say to yourself, Oren, that's not what we do today. Even when we have these empires,

00:25:42.260 today, it seems like especially the American empire is one that ultimately allows for

00:25:48.260 almost no difference between different peoples. Everyone has to live together. Everyone has to go 1.00

00:25:54.700 to school together. Everyone has to share the same identity. We don't, in theory. I mean,

00:26:00.760 obviously, it depends on which group you belong to as to how much of your identity you're allowed to

00:26:07.780 retain. But in general, we want the culture homogenized. We want everyone to kind of be in 0.66

00:26:13.460 the same place. America has actually had several different attempts, whether it be the Germans or the 0.68

00:26:18.920 Native American Indians or other groups to kind of forcibly integrate them into society, make their 1.00

00:26:26.360 children go to school, make them Christianize, make them Anglinize, right? These are all things that we

00:26:32.960 have seen throughout the American experience because we wanted to form one people, one nation. And so,

00:26:39.620 the American experience was one where initially we had the level of federalism that allowed for some

00:26:45.300 kind of identity differences. But over time, especially post the Civil War, it became critical

00:26:52.440 for the central government to wield more power because they needed to control the South. And so,

00:26:57.720 you had the scenario where you couldn't let the states do what they wanted. You couldn't let people

00:27:00.560 live in different ways. And so, that only became more and more powerful over time. Now, we look at most

00:27:06.820 liberal democracies, including America, and they seem more like empires that are trying to force

00:27:13.360 everyone into their same kind of cookie cutter than anything else. And that's because we have

00:27:19.760 technology that the Romans and other famous imperial powers simply did not have, right? We have propaganda

00:27:26.420 machines, we have television, we have the internet, we have radio, we have aircraft that allow the 82nd

00:27:33.480 Airborne to be outside your door in a few hours. You can deploy a massive amount of troops anywhere in the

00:27:39.360 United States if you really want to rather quickly. And so, this changes the relationship of the central

00:27:46.260 government and tyranny because before, while maybe the emperor might have wanted a uniform culture, it would 0.87

00:27:53.060 have been easier for him if he had that ability. It simply was not available. There was not enough government

00:27:58.240 infrastructure. They could not uphold the different tenets that they wanted to through force. So, they had to

00:28:04.640 allow a certain level of subsidiarity, a certain level of, you know, local control in order to

00:28:10.700 maintain. They did not have the capacity. The state was not total. They could not provide everything

00:28:16.940 that churches and families and communities were providing. And so, they had to allow for a certain

00:28:23.060 level of autonomy even inside their empire in order to make it work. However, today, we don't have to do

00:28:29.980 that so much, right? We have these tools. We have the level of surveillance. We have the level of

00:28:35.280 communication. We have the level of firepower. We have the level of mobility. And this just allows

00:28:40.540 these different governments to respond immediately to any wrong thing, right? This is why we have the

00:28:49.040 number of hate speech laws and civil rights laws and everything else because we don't want any region of 1.00

00:28:54.280 the country to think differently or act differently. Everyone has to behave the same and we will deploy

00:28:59.980 the military. We'll send in the FBI. We'll cut your bank account. We'll do whatever we need to do.

00:29:05.700 And you can do it from Washington, D.C. in a few hours by hitting a few buttons or launching a plane or

00:29:11.580 two in a way that you just simply could not do that when, you know, Diocletian was trying to figure

00:29:16.640 out what to do with the Roman Empire and just ended up dividing it instead.

00:29:19.580 So this development technology, along with kind of just the shift that we're undergoing, has a lot of

00:29:29.840 people confused about why leaders of like modern liberal democracies are importing so many forders, 0.75

00:29:36.200 even though the voters hate the idea, right? Like if you look at across the board, even on the left,

00:29:41.260 up until just a little bit ago, mass immigration, deeply, deeply unpopular. To this day, still even on

00:29:46.600 the left, it's unpopular comparatively, but it used to be wildly unpopular, right? And yet both parties

00:29:51.900 constantly doing it. When the Republicans are in power, it's more legal immigration. When the 0.52

00:29:56.640 Democrats are in power, it's more illegal immigration. But immigration, immigration, immigration all the

00:30:01.020 time, even though it's deeply unpopular, even Donald Trump will start talking about, you know, off one

00:30:06.900 side of his mouth about how we need all these H-1B workers because Americans can't do the job, even

00:30:11.320 though he knows his base absolutely hates these answers. So why are they doing it, right? Like

00:30:16.620 why do we keep seeing these leaders of what are supposed to be democratic states, states that

00:30:21.880 respond to popular opinion, popular sovereignty, ruled by the people, their republics, right? Virtuous

00:30:26.920 republics being ruled by their people, right? Why are they doing this? Why are they importing another 1.00

00:30:32.120 class of people when they know it's deeply unpopular with the people they're supposed to serve?

00:30:37.080 Well, there's several answers. One, of course, is the just the cheap labor. It makes the right people

00:30:41.800 just too rich. Same problem again with Rome. We can look at the importation of slaves by the optimates

00:30:49.080 and their desire to own large chunks of land, locking other people out of land, using slave labor

00:30:54.140 to undercut their wages. All these same things sound familiar to you because they're all happening to

00:30:58.700 you. There's nothing new under the sun. Another is, of course, the ability to import voters that are

00:31:03.420 loyal to you. I've talked about this many times. Liberal democracy is a comically easy system to

00:31:07.740 hack. Ultimately, you just import a new voting base and they are the ones that keep you in power

00:31:12.520 and you no longer have to serve the entrenched interests of the people who actually live in

00:31:16.660 your society. You gain more power because your voting base is entirely dependent on you for

00:31:23.140 fitting in, keeping their voting rights, gaining any kind of economic foothold or status inside

00:31:29.620 society. So that's an obvious one as well. But the final piece of the puzzle is just raw power

00:31:36.060 because the difference is created by importing so many different cultures into one country.

00:31:41.040 They are destabilizing. And, you know, Tucker Carlitson asked me this when I was on a show.

00:31:46.360 Why do you want to destabilize your own country? Why would our leaders want to stabilize their own

00:31:50.820 country? And I gave them, you know, the other answers. But this one is important, too. And I don't

00:31:55.060 think I mentioned at the time and I should have because this is really critical. It also provides,

00:31:59.620 a infinite excuse for government authority. Now, you don't want to make your

00:32:03.900 civilization so unstable that it completely comes apart. But the more unstable you make it,

00:32:10.980 the more reliant people are on the government to provide order. And the governments of liberal

00:32:15.940 democracies, well, they understand that there's only so much power they can demand in a system that is

00:32:22.300 stable and is designed to limit their ability to exercise power through constitutional government and

00:32:28.080 democratic feedback. So what do you do? Well, you create a society so diverse that there's no 0.99

00:32:34.740 shared understanding of how people should conduct themselves. What do we how do we act in a store?

00:32:39.440 What is private property? Do we respect it? Is violence an acceptable answer? Do you escalate

00:32:45.600 into a conflict immediately upon bumping into someone or smudging their puma? Right. Like,

00:32:50.540 these are all questions that are not decided by any kind of, like, objective ideology. They're decided

00:32:58.540 by culture and values and traditions. They're decided by the collective understanding of the people.

00:33:06.820 And if that collective understanding is mainly Anglo and Christian, then the answer to these questions

00:33:12.320 will be very different than if the collective understanding is, say, Arab and Muslim. Right. 0.50

00:33:18.460 These are going to be very different answers to the same questions. And they'll be right in those 1.00

00:33:23.020 societies, but they will be wrong when those societies exist in a mutual space. And so if you

00:33:29.280 create this destabilization by bringing in a large number of people, then guess what? You can create

00:33:34.880 more authority for yourself, even though you're technically still governing a liberal democracy or a

00:33:41.820 republic. So multicultural societies, they trend, they tend towards authoritarianism because it's the only way 1.00

00:33:47.640 you can manage the level of difference and diversity that exists inside of them. It's particularly true

00:33:53.460 when a multicultural society tries to integrate people who live inside of it instead of allowing 1.00

00:33:59.200 them to exist in their own way. So if you were just keeping all of the Muslims or all of the people 1.00

00:34:04.160 of some other belief in a separate area, then maybe you could create the federalism we had before.

00:34:10.620 Right. I don't advise that. I don't think we should be ceding ground to mosques in the United States. 0.96

00:34:16.900 But if we're just looking at the the classic resolutions of these issues, well, that would be

00:34:22.900 one way to do it. However, again, if you want to incorporate all these people and force them to

00:34:28.440 live next to each other, you're going to need more and more power so the government can resolve

00:34:32.320 all these conflicts that are unresolvable through normal social mechanisms because you remove the

00:34:37.240 shared virtue, shared tradition, shared understanding. So by converting your nation to a multicultural 0.99

00:34:42.840 nation, you get to accrue more power to yourself as a leader. And I'm sure most of these people would

00:34:50.500 not announce this out loud, but they do recognize that incentive even if they don't espouse it publicly to

00:34:57.520 you. So if the United States ever wants to return to being a republic, and it's a question of whether

00:35:11.740 we can, and I don't say that with any excitement, I'm not happy about the fact that it might not be

00:35:17.400 an option available to us. However, if it's an option available to us, and I think we should try to

00:35:22.920 fight for it if it's available to us, then we have to recognize that we must scale down. Scale must be

00:35:30.560 addressed. We cannot continue to ignore this problem. That means first and foremost, of course, we must

00:35:35.780 end immigration, legal and illegal, immediately. We need a long moratorium. I think I usually say like 1.00

00:35:43.320 20 years, but people are yelling at me that needs to be even longer. Great, I'm with you. That's just like

00:35:48.560 my ballpark number to throw it out there. We need a long-term moratorium. We need mass 0.99

00:35:53.560 deportations. Anyone who shouldn't be here legally in any way, shape, or form must go home. 30, 40, 0.95

00:36:01.660 50 million people, I don't care. Every single one of them needs to leave this country. And even many 0.99

00:36:07.400 who are here who have been naturalized need to be denaturalized if it's clear that they are not 1.00

00:36:12.200 interested in assimilating. No more Ilhan Omar's, no more of this Dearborn or whatever Minneapolis

00:36:19.820 situation. If you're building mosques in the United States, if you're doing call to prayers in public 0.92

00:36:25.940 in the United States, if you're talking about how you're actually there to represent Somalia

00:36:30.800 in the United States, then you got to go. You need to be deported. You're a paperwork American. You're not 1.00

00:36:36.640 a real American. You're not interested in becoming an American. You're never going to be an American. 0.70

00:36:39.800 You're not even making an interest, an attempt to be an American, right? That's like the minimum we

00:36:45.100 need. We need to scale down our interactions with foreign nations. We need to stop, be reliant in 1.00

00:36:50.920 countries like Israel or vice versa, Ukraine. We need to stop involving ourselves in places like that. 1.00

00:36:57.680 We need to stop involving ourselves in these conflicts because A, we always end up importing the 0.98

00:37:02.500 people who are involved in the conflict. B, it invites a lot of foreign influence, just like

00:37:08.760 George Washington told us it would, that corrupts the nation and tears apart its identity.

00:37:14.060 Then we need a generational Manhattan project for building American identity. We have to do this.

00:37:22.560 We have to create all of these different organizations that create social fabric. We need

00:37:30.380 fraternal organizations. We need religious organizations. We need community organizations.

00:37:35.000 We need the kind of associations that will bind us back together and help us share a culture

00:37:41.320 again. And these are just the minimums, right? Like this is bare minimum that if we, if we're

00:37:46.100 serious about this, it has to be a project, something we pursue intentionally with great, great

00:37:52.220 vigor. And if we don't do that, it's just never going to happen. Right? Again, sadly, I'm a little

00:37:59.280 doubtful that we are willing to dedicate ourselves to this project of restorations.

00:38:05.000 Like, unfortunately, I think even the people claiming they want to return to the founding

00:38:08.320 fathers are completely unwilling to do what it would take to do that kind of thing. But if

00:38:13.620 they're serious, I want to lay out a path forward because there is a path. There are things we can

00:38:18.660 understand about the nature of Republican government versus imperial government. And we can weigh those

00:38:23.340 things and we can make decisions that intentionally move us back towards a Republican model. But only if we

00:38:29.480 admit where we are. If we just stubbornly as conservatives are like, well, it's a Republic, not a

00:38:34.420 democracy. And we, you know, we'll just follow the constitution. Uh, no, like, yes, we should do

00:38:40.520 those things, but also there's a lot more to this. And a lot of the things that you like conservative

00:38:46.940 about America are tied to its empire. So you have to make peace with the fact that those things would

00:38:53.620 be gone tomorrow. If we want to do this, if we don't want to do this, you need to embrace empire.

00:38:58.660 You need to embrace its requirements. But if not, then we need to set limitations on

00:39:02.960 ourselves. A very difficult thing to do as a society, one that is often not successful.

00:39:07.840 If we look back at previous empires, be it the Roman or the British. So we have to also think

00:39:13.100 about the consequences of attempting to scale back empire successfully. But if we are serious

00:39:17.780 about being Republic, we have to change because we simply are not a Republic now in, in no way,

00:39:23.220 shape or form. We do not meet that definition. So if we want to meet it again, we have to be willing

00:39:30.500 to take the limitations on with the advantages. We can't just go around saying I want everything

00:39:36.840 and I don't understand why it's not working. All right. So the other thing I wanted to touch on

00:39:41.720 real quickly was of course, the drama with Marjorie Taylor green. Let me put that up on the screen

00:39:48.580 real quick. Share that with you. All right. So if you're not familiar, what has been going on

00:39:55.260 with Marjorie Taylor green, she has been in an interesting spot right now, right? For the last

00:40:01.540 few years, she's kind of been the AOC of the right, I think is kind of a fair way to say it. She's

00:40:08.280 bombastic. She's got a certain level of charisma. She's plugged into the populist wing, especially of 1.00

00:40:14.380 the Republican party of MAGA. Uh, you know, the, these are, have kind of been things now she's

00:40:19.840 been far from perfect. Her voting record is far from perfect on this. I'm not trying to hold her

00:40:23.860 up as the exemplar. I'm just saying that has been a place that she has been operating inside of for 0.69

00:40:31.180 a while. So, uh, what has happened over time, but be at the, you know, mass immigration, the Epstein 0.89

00:40:39.360 files, uh, some of these other, uh, aspects, uh, relationship with Israel, uh, there's been a wedge

00:40:46.100 between Marjorie Taylor green and the mainstream Republican party, but she's also because Trump's

00:40:52.860 administration admittedly has been less than stellar on several things, especially things like the Epstein

00:40:57.960 files. Uh, she has been, uh, increasingly at odds with the president. Now I want to make it clear

00:41:05.040 here. You need to be able to criticize Donald Trump. Um, and, but you need to be able to do it in an

00:41:10.580 effective manner, right? It's not that Donald Trump is beyond criticism. It's not that he is beyond,

00:41:15.980 uh, you know, any kind of ultimate, uh, uh, you can look at what he's doing and break it down and

00:41:22.460 explain what's wrong and ask for change, ask him to redress your grievances, right? However,

00:41:27.960 if you just go after Trump, uh, aggressively, you're going to get tossed out of the coalition.

00:41:32.700 You're just gonna be useless, right? I mean, there's many, many, many people who have done

00:41:36.340 this. They've run directly into the Trump blender and got completely destroyed, right? So you might

00:41:41.580 not like some of the things that Trump is doing, but ultimately it's a fool's errand to run in and

00:41:46.880 make yourself completely irrelevant inside the Trump coalition by going at him directly. And

00:41:51.900 unfortunately this is more and more what Marjorie Taylor green is doing now to be fair, again, 0.98

00:41:56.040 Donald Trump has come after her. So it's not like it's a one-sided thing. Trump has not

00:42:00.280 conducted himself the best towards her. She has not conducted herself the best towards him.

00:42:05.040 There's plenty of blame to go around here. This is not me really taking sides one way or another

00:42:09.300 on the past, uh, behavior. However, finally we started to see Marjorie Taylor green start to spin 1.00

00:42:17.180 out. And this is an unfortunate thing that happens when, when you start putting yourself on the other

00:42:22.720 side of the coalition, you, and I know, here we go again, you enter into the friend enemy distinction

00:42:28.660 mode, right? And you start making allowances for people who you otherwise would not ally with because

00:42:34.220 they are suddenly, uh, with you on some aspect of, uh, your political battle. And it's advantageous

00:42:42.760 for you to like realign politically, right? If Trump is coming at you directly, you need other allies.

00:42:47.820 Trump is an incredibly powerful man. He has tons of influence. So if you end up at odds with this

00:42:54.380 guy in a full knockdown drag out, you're going to need help. Right. And so unfortunately the place

00:43:00.280 that Marjorie Taylor green first looked was maybe guys like Thomas Massey or libertarians, other people 0.78

00:43:06.100 who are kind of right wing, but, uh, you know, have a problem with Trump. Uh, that was her first refuge.

00:43:11.880 And that made some level of sense. Again, it's not that these critiques of Trump are entirely unfounded.

00:43:17.400 Uh, they're not entirely baseless. Uh, it's just the way she was going about them was ultimately

00:43:21.880 unwise tactically, not even about the moral situation, just tactically not a great idea.

00:43:29.700 However, she then started showing up on these liberal outlets. I think she was on the view.

00:43:34.160 She was on MSNBC. She's on these places and she's talking about how Charlie Kirk being shot taught

00:43:40.480 her that the whole country needed to come together. Now, I don't know about you, but when I saw just

00:43:47.120 piles and piles of leftists getting together and celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk, even mainstream

00:43:52.840 leftists, uh, more or less justifying the murder of Charlie Kirk, even if they wouldn't celebrate it.

00:43:58.040 Uh, what I saw, there was not a call of unity from the left. What I saw was a call for murder.

00:44:03.280 And by the way, uh, they're still there. In fact, again, I don't know what's going on with the

00:44:07.480 National Guardsmen. I don't have the information at the moment, uh, but we could be seeing more

00:44:11.400 left-wing tear right now. I just, I don't know. Again, I'm not attributing it. I don't know.

00:44:15.920 However, that possibility still exists out there. And the reaction from Marjorie Taylor Greene

00:44:21.080 was, I want to go out and get on, you know, these, these leftist shows and like show them I'm one of

00:44:27.440 the good ones. And that's always like, whether you're David French doing this or you're Marjorie

00:44:31.520 Taylor Greene and doing this, yeah, they're, they're doing it for different reasons. They're doing it

00:44:35.440 from even different parts of the political spectrum, but they ended up in the same place,

00:44:38.840 right? There's this, there's this gradient that you suddenly follow the minute you kind of go down

00:44:43.500 this path. And unfortunately, Marjorie Taylor Greene went down it pretty hard. So Trump came at her very

00:44:49.120 clear, uh, hard, made it clear that he was going to primary her and Marjorie Taylor Greene, like most

00:44:54.860 Republicans knows that going toe to toe with Donald Trump is just a huge mistake at the end of the day.

00:45:00.840 Uh, and she decided she was just going to back out of politics. She said, look, I'm not going to be

00:45:05.460 able to achieve the things that I want. I'm going to step away, uh, do my own thing. We are not going

00:45:10.280 to make progress. And I, I have too many principles to continue to keep doing this takes a toll on me

00:45:15.100 personally, my family and everything. So I'm, I'm just going to step away. Now you'll see Mike

00:45:20.600 Sertovich here. And Sertovich has been a guy who's defended, uh, Marjorie Taylor Greene on a lot of

00:45:26.600 issues. Uh, not always the biggest fan of Trump's current, uh, uh, uh, agenda is current arc. Uh,

00:45:34.040 also Sertovich, uh, definitely not a fan of kind of the bowing and scraping thing that we're seeing

00:45:39.400 a lot of times when it comes to certain Republicans and our relationship with Israel. So he has been

00:45:44.020 somebody who has been vocally, you know, a defender of Marjorie Taylor Greene. And he said, look,

00:45:48.560 you need to finish out your term. It, the people voted for you. They deserve to get your, uh, full

00:45:56.800 term as a representative of this country. It's, you know, it's not like you're there forever. It's

00:46:01.980 four years. Um, so just, just serve out the term that you were elected to do. And she just blew up 1.00

00:46:07.940 on him. And first she says, Oh, uh, I haven't suffered enough, uh, for you while you post behind

00:46:13.500 a screen all day. Now, fair enough. You know, Mark, Mike Cernovich, what I'm doing right now,

00:46:19.760 we're not breaking rocks, right? Like this is not the hardest thing in the world to do. It's quite a

00:46:23.720 privilege to have this position, but to be clear, neither is Marjorie Taylor Greene, right? Like

00:46:28.280 she sits around talking to people, taking meetings, voting, going to cocktail parties, raising money.

00:46:35.880 It's not exactly like she's just living the hardest life. And she's, she's also posting behind a

00:46:41.320 screen most of the day. So her acting like she's bearing this incredible burden that Cernovich is

00:46:46.940 not, that's just deeply, deeply inauthentic. Then she says, do I have to stay until I'm assassinated

00:46:52.440 like our friend, Charlie Kirk? So this is bad for a couple of reasons. First, she's admitting that she

00:46:58.600 is susceptible to the political terrorism. Now I get it. Watching Charlie Kirk get shot was jarring.

00:47:06.680 I mean, he's not even a politician like she is. She's a political commentator like me. I mean,

00:47:11.100 much higher stature than I was, you know, uh, than, than I am. Uh, but, uh, you know,

00:47:16.440 he's still ultimately not even an elected official. So I get it shaking to your core and everyone should

00:47:21.260 be taking precautions and everyone should take the violence seriously. But what that should do

00:47:25.520 from a congressional representative, someone who styles herself as a fighter that should inspire

00:47:30.980 you to fight harder, right? That should say, I am not going to be cowed by this violence. I will not

00:47:36.120 be capitulating to terrorism. You will not drive me out of the public eye. You will not, uh, control

00:47:41.660 my positions. You're not going to get me to go grovel to MSNBC and the view because you shot a

00:47:48.760 Republican. Like that's giving the left every single thing they want. Please don't hurt me.

00:47:53.180 Please don't hurt me. Can't we all just get along? And by that, I mean, please stop shooting people

00:47:57.060 who have my beliefs because I'm scared of you. That's all she's saying here. And this is a terrible

00:48:03.040 message. This is a message of fear. This is a message of cowardice. This is a message of

00:48:08.340 capitulation. And as somebody who, again, who is somewhat sympathetic to the things that Marjorie

00:48:14.520 Taylor Greene has been pressing Trump on much like Mike Cernovich, the fact that she would turn around 0.62

00:48:20.600 and scream at Cernovich and reveal, frankly, this level of cowardice is ugly. She says, will it be good

00:48:27.720 enough for you then? Uh, I'll, I guess I'll just read the profanity since it is, uh, the profanity

00:48:33.040 of a Congresswoman, uh, shit posting on the internet all day. Isn't fighting, get, uh, off your ass and 1.00

00:48:39.040 run for Congress again. Fair enough. But like green is leaving, she's leaving Congress and it's not like

00:48:45.700 she was fighting in a physical sense. She's what? Not even really writing much legislation at the end of 0.97

00:48:51.900 the day. I mean, I guess she wrote it and most of it didn't get passed. Like it's not, it's not like

00:48:56.860 she's in a trench somewhere. She's taking meetings. She's dictating to assistance. It's not exactly

00:49:03.640 like she's in world war one. I fought harder than anyone in the real arena, not social media,

00:49:09.100 put down your little pebbles and put your money where your mouth is. Well, obviously she does think 1.00

00:49:13.800 that social media makes a lot of difference because she's on it arguing constantly. And of course we all 0.99

00:49:18.400 know, look, I get it. Twitter isn't real life, but also it's kind of real life. Like whether you like

00:49:23.340 it or not, uh, the political, uh, class in the United States, journalists, politicians, media figures,

00:49:29.480 celebrities, they're all addicted to the same site. And that site is Twitter. Maybe that's a disaster.

00:49:34.240 It probably is. We're probably going to have people in, uh, you know, uh, different civilizations

00:49:39.120 look back at this moment in our history and say, what in the world were these people thinking they

00:49:42.980 were insane, right? In the same way that like everyone being incredibly decadent in Versailles probably

00:49:48.140 uh, look silly today. However, that is the reality and what matters, what happens in Twitter does

00:49:55.120 matter. And whether you like it or not, Sertovich is a gifted Twitter poster with a lot of influence

00:50:00.580 who moves the needle on the regular basis. He gets the attention of the presidential administration.

00:50:05.340 They listen, uh, trust me, like this is a guy who wields a surprising amount of power from a Twitter

00:50:12.140 account. So green pretending like that just doesn't happen. Maybe that makes her feel better. 0.60

00:50:15.900 I get it. Maybe it's not even a way you want the country to be run, but it is true. So here we are.

00:50:22.860 All right. So then green follows up and this is where things really come off the rails, right?

00:50:28.120 This is, this is, that is not great. That's ugly, especially the, the showing the cowardice

00:50:33.000 with the Charlie Kirk assassination. But this is where she really spins out. She responds here again and

00:50:38.520 says, uh, uh, typical of Republican men telling a woman to shut up and get back in the kitchen and 0.93

00:50:46.140 fix me something to eat. F you in the, in the sweetest, uh, most Southern draw. I can annunciate.

00:50:53.600 I've been trying to tell you men that our kitchen pantry is empty with spider webs. Our house has

00:50:59.020 been ransacked. The windows and doors are broken, busted. You get the idea. It's men. You're bad.

00:51:04.880 You've been, you know, I I'm a woman, but I know how to fix this. You men are the problem.

00:51:09.980 Republican men are the issue. The GOP is the issue. Right. And this just kind of reveals a pure,

00:51:16.680 like leftist feminist hatred for men. I don't really know else how to describe it. When she crashes out, 0.97

00:51:23.720 she crashes out against not just men, but Republican men, many of which who have been her biggest

00:51:29.420 supporters. It's not like, I don't think there are, I don't, it's not that I don't know that there

00:51:33.360 are tons of conservative men who are big fans of Marjorie Taylor green, who have promoted her,

00:51:37.940 who have elevated her, who have encouraged her, who have sung her praises. I mean, I'm sure there

00:51:43.980 are some people being mean to her online for being a woman. I it's, it happens to everyone. Uh, I 0.58

00:51:48.380 certainly have people being mean to me online. Uh, and I'm sure as a woman, she even incurred ends up 1.00

00:51:53.380 with more of it and especially someone in a higher profile being in a position she does, but this does 0.58

00:51:58.020 not allow her to go after Republican men. I mean, who does she think votes for her? 1.00

00:52:03.360 We're, you know, look at the demographics who keeps someone like Marjorie Taylor green in office, 1.00

00:52:08.560 right? And it becomes impossible not to recognize that along with Marjorie Taylor green, we recently

00:52:14.900 had a, uh, a, uh, kind of political, uh, burnout, a complete, uh, blow up from Dinesh D'Souza.

00:52:22.340 And who did Dinesh D'Souza attack when he spud out? Well, white people, Hey whitey, you're not as 0.65

00:52:30.580 good as the H1B people. They're going to show you how to do things. They're going to be the real 1.00

00:52:33.780 successful people. They're going to the one that succeed in your society. Not you white boy.

00:52:39.860 So interesting because, you know, we have this conservative civil war going on, right?

00:52:43.620 And surprisingly, even though we have these two sides that Dinesh D'Souza and Marjorie Taylor green

00:52:50.000 are very on these two different sides, right? Very different sides. Marjorie Taylor green pushing

00:52:55.720 the America first idea. Dinesh kind of going back to, uh, establishment conservatism, even though you

00:53:02.140 have these two sides, they both, when they crash out, they both crash out, which is interesting,

00:53:07.100 right? We have two distinct sides at war with each other, crashing out with their base. And when

00:53:13.440 they crash out, who do they attack? Well, it's either men, white people or white men, right? Like

00:53:22.060 that's, that's the Venn diagram we have here. When these guys crash out, when Dinesh or Marjorie

00:53:27.900 Taylor green crash out, do they attack leftists? Do they attack progressives? Do they go after,

00:53:35.560 or I don't know, some other race, some other gender? No, it's all white men. So when it's time 0.76

00:53:41.500 to attack, even though MTG is on one side and Dinesh is on the other, both of them attack the same

00:53:49.300 people, the same types of people, the voter base of the Republican party. Now it's bad enough. I mean,

00:53:57.100 Dinesh has spent decades. He wrote the end of racism. He's tried to kind of position himself as

00:54:02.600 this MLK colorblind representative inside the Republican party, inside the conservative

00:54:08.980 apparatus. It's bad enough that he crashed out and started attacking white people. Very strange,

00:54:13.960 right? Kind of blows up the, the colorblind meritocracy, uh, you know, whole thing he's

00:54:20.180 been pushing for a very long time. But Marjorie Taylor green is supposed to be part of this,

00:54:24.280 like nationalist, uh, you know, uh, America first, uh, new, uh, conservative movement, new,

00:54:31.120 you know, new right movement, populist through and through. Right. And what does she do? She also 0.96

00:54:37.040 attacks the Republican voter base. So whether you're a populist or an establishment guy, America first,

00:54:44.900 or a wider geopolitical American empire guy at the end of the day, when it's time to spin out,

00:54:51.600 when it's time to crash out, who do you go after the main Republican voting demographic,

00:54:57.860 white people, men, white men, like these are the people you attack. I think that says a lot.

00:55:04.600 Even if someone in Marjorie Taylor green's position, who's supposed to represent her positions, 0.89

00:55:09.700 even when she crashes out, who does she go after the people that left-wing media has programmed to go 1.00

00:55:14.940 after. When Dinesh crashes out, who does he go after the people progressive media tell him

00:55:21.460 it's okay to go after. Why? It's kind of built in, right? It's, it's, it's, it's what is approved.

00:55:28.880 It's it. And I think there's kind of a revealed position to reveal preference that shows itself

00:55:33.480 under stress. Uh, and so it's just been a terrible day for her to come out and behave in that manner,

00:55:39.320 because I think it's gross. I think it betrays her voters. I think it's stabbing a lot of people

00:55:43.580 in the back. And for those that agreed with her on some of her criticisms of Trump,

00:55:48.520 now they look stupid for backing her. Uh, they, their, their positions are, uh, injured by being

00:55:55.660 represented by someone like this and having put their faith in her, the credibility of people who

00:56:00.500 ultimately championed, uh, any question she was doing of Donald Trump suddenly collapses because

00:56:05.460 she's emotionally incontinent and able to represent their interests in a, in a real, uh, responsible 0.98

00:56:10.960 way. And everybody kind of loses because now not only do we have betrayal after betrayal from people

00:56:17.340 who are ostensibly conservative, but with every one of these betrayals, they undermine the ability

00:56:22.400 to course, correct anything that might be going on, uh, incorrectly with the Trump administration.

00:56:27.960 They have basically ripped out the credibility of the very thing they want to provide, which is a

00:56:33.380 substantive critique in theory. A lot of people have pointed out, and it's hard to argue with

00:56:38.820 MTG's behavior here that ultimately these people were never for Trump, or at least they hadn't been

00:56:43.760 from Trump for a long time. And they define themselves in opposition to MAGA, even while

00:56:48.060 kind of staying inside the coalition nominally in some way or another. And, you know, I prefer not to

00:56:53.700 believe that, but when MTG is believe behaving this way and, you know, attacking people in this

00:56:59.220 manner, it's kind of hard to pretend that's not a substantive critique of what's happening here.

00:57:05.140 So, so all that to say, uh, uh, you know, kind of, kind of crazy news day. Uh, but, uh, we're probably

00:57:13.100 going to go ahead and wrap this up. I don't see a lot of questions from the people here, so we'll

00:57:17.300 probably just go ahead. And in things, I do want to say that, uh, before I head on, uh, or out, uh, for

00:57:23.400 the next two days, uh, to enjoy the holiday season, uh, that, uh, I was just on John Doyle's show, a new

00:57:30.160 colleague at the blaze, uh, great guy, great show. I was on there talking about Thanksgiving. So if you

00:57:36.080 want to check that out, you can, you should definitely go over and give John, uh, some

00:57:40.180 support. Uh, but I just like to say that I'm thankful for you guys. Uh, just an amazing ride.

00:57:45.280 This has been still blown away every day that I get to do this, uh, coming from where I came from

00:57:51.980 doing what I was doing previously. The fact that, uh, I get to, uh, enjoy, uh, speaking with you guys

00:57:58.160 and, uh, sharing my thoughts on the events and hopefully, uh, bringing some, uh, education

00:58:04.260 and some political theory to otherwise, uh, what would be just kind of back and forth in

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00:58:18.920 supporting me from the very beginning. And of course, I am thankful to live in this amazing

00:58:23.680 country blessed by the one and only God and the creator, the Christian God. Uh, and if

00:58:29.760 you are not enjoying your Thanksgiving while honoring, uh, Christ, our King, I encourage

00:58:35.760 you to find him and do so because that is what has made our country great. And that was, is

00:58:40.360 one of the things that defines our people. And I will be thankful ultimately, uh, that we

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