A new study from the CDC shows that 25% of U.S. high schoolers identify as LGBTQ in 2021, up from 11% in 2015, and up to 25% in 2016. What does this tell us about the growing numbers of LGBTQ teens identifying as LGBTQ? What role does it play in our society, and why does it matter? We talk to The Prudentialist, Logan Hall, and Dylan Mulvaney to answer these questions and more.
00:01:11.140Had you a while back, but glad you're able to join us once again.
00:01:15.980So we're just going to go ahead and jump right into it, guys.
00:01:18.780As many of you might have heard, a study from the CDC is now showing that almost one quarter,
00:01:26.180it's like 24.5% of high schoolers are now identifying as, again, some form of LGBTQ.
00:01:35.140The breakdown, I believe, have it here.
00:01:38.240It's 12% as bisexual, 5.2% as questioning, 3.9% as other, and then 3.2% as gay or lesbian.
00:01:48.760Also, 1.8% said they didn't understand the question, which I really appreciate there.
00:01:53.740But it's very interesting, of course, because we have seen this number grow and grow over the years.
00:02:01.520It went from 11% back in, or I think it was 2015, 2016, all the way up to now this quarter,
00:02:10.520this 25% number that we're seeing in this data is from 2021.
00:02:15.140Now, of course, we know that the idea was supposed to be that this was born this way, right?
00:02:22.200That this is something that's an immutable characteristic.
00:02:25.300It's just like being, well, male or female, which I guess is no longer supposed to be an immutable characteristic.
00:02:31.740In fact, funny enough, it seems like the only biologically immutable characteristic now is race.
00:02:38.260You can't be Rachel Dalzal, you can't be a trans black woman, but you can, you know, change everything else about you.
00:02:46.740But, of course, the story about this was that this is always supposed to be something that was unchangeable,
00:02:53.040and that was why everyone kind of had to accept it, because this is just a biological fact inborn in people.
00:02:59.320Now we see this incredibly steady rise.
00:03:02.100Prudentialist, I don't think there's a lot of surprise here for many of us,
00:03:05.420but what do you think about this sudden, you know, doubling or more than doubling of teenagers identifying like this in just five, six years?
00:03:16.400Yeah, I'm glad that you sort of prefaced that with a surprise bit.
00:03:18.880I feel like every time I come on, I say something along the lines of I'm not surprised anymore.
00:03:24.620No, I think that this is a predictable response when we see the broader culture and legal incentives provided to identify a certain way,
00:03:35.100and that when we provide social incentives and agreeableness and welcome towards certain types of groups,
00:03:41.480and they disparage others, that you want to flock towards the way to identify them.
00:03:46.440And I think it kind of is convenient that there is sort of this dysgenic and an unfortunate identity that is out there for people to adopt to,
00:03:55.540or fling and cling on to, in the midst of widespread sort of racial animosity towards white individuals.
00:04:03.020And so what gives them a better way out than to identify in some form or fashion under the Rainbow Coalition?
00:04:09.380That way they have their own form of minority and protected status and can rank up there on, quote unquote,
00:04:15.960the oppression Olympics, as they used to say, and they have a way to get out of it.
00:04:19.980And when it's in schools, when it's in public libraries, when there's parades and holidays and things that local government that support it,
00:04:27.800the incentives are going to tell young people who respond to incentives the most,
00:04:31.580especially because their brains aren't as developed, by all means, identify this way, engage in these kind of risky behaviors,
00:04:37.540and you will be rewarded both legally, socially, and potentially with employment or spokesperson-type jobs
00:04:44.220that we see with individuals like Dylan Mulvaney and the rest.
00:04:47.240Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up because somebody coined the phrase today, white identity flight,
00:04:53.260which I think is a pretty good way to kind of sum this up.
00:04:56.760You've got a lot of white progressives out there, and they all know that you're not, that's not good.
00:05:02.660You're not supposed to do that. You're one of the evil people. You're one of the bad people.
00:05:05.860Original sin baked right into your skin color, and that's going to put you on the bottom of that progressive stack.
00:05:10.580So if you're a good liberal and you need to find a way to elevate yourself, I mean, you just don't want to sit around being the oppressor class.
00:05:18.320You've got to find some way to identify as one of the holy ones.
00:05:21.920And so what do you do? Well, I mean, you're not allowed to change your race now.
00:05:28.380So what do you do? Well, you identify as some form of bisexual or pansexual or some kind of reassignment of your gender that doesn't require too much commitment, hopefully.
00:05:42.020Maybe you just get to color your hair differently, wear some androgynous clothing.
00:05:47.540All of a sudden, you're right back in the mix. You're at the top.
00:05:49.520You've climbed the social ladder, and you can once again have a role of leadership in kind of the progressive stack.
00:05:56.120Logan, what's going on with the storyline here, though, right?
00:05:59.320Like, we know, again, this was supposed to be something that was innate, and all of a sudden, it's something that everyone seems to be able to adopt.
00:06:06.380What happened to that storyline? They just discard it? They don't need it anymore?
00:06:09.880Is there some kind of underlying explanation?
00:06:12.960Well, things certainly happen fast, don't they?
00:06:16.120What's interesting from the study is that, you know, it's about 25%, one in four, that identify as something other than heterosexual.
00:06:26.280But in the data, it said only about 6% max had actually had sexual experiences with someone of their same sex.
00:06:36.500So that means there's 19% that's just using this as a status symbol.
00:06:42.500Like he said, people respond to incentives.
00:06:46.280And the funny thing is, you know, they swear that it's just, oh, they're born this way, we have to do it.
00:06:54.160But then every single part of our culture is geared towards making sure that it's not really a nature argument, right?
00:07:06.500They're trying to propagandize from the highest levels of government, from media, from culture.
00:07:12.520You get rewarded for this identity symbol.
00:07:16.840And the funniest thing is now you're starting to see some backlash with, oh, LGB without the T, whatever else.
00:07:26.880The rainbow flag is starting to eclipse all the new identities that they have ginned up now are starting to eclipse the original rainbow.
00:07:36.340So there's like, there's all these different symbols and, and it's starting to almost to look like just one giant blob for all these different identities to come under.
00:07:48.380And it's very interesting to see how quickly we've gone from that original, you know, 20 years ago, you had Hillary Clinton and Obama making arguments against all of this stuff.
00:08:02.340And now it seems like every day from the White House press briefing room, they're bragging about their latest LGBT initiatives.
00:08:10.800And it seems like the only thing they really talk about.
00:08:13.160So it certainly has, this revolution has eaten up the government and our culture, and it's probably not going to stop anytime soon.
00:08:23.920So, yeah, I wouldn't be the first to point out that, you know, the, the new flag of the empire is very, very clearly that constantly mutating one that you're referencing there.
00:08:34.600Some, some new ideology, some new subgroup, some, you know, a little square or circle or something that has to get shoved into it every, you know, six months.
00:08:44.300You got to, the great thing is it's, it's great for flag sales, right?
00:08:47.940Like the, there, it's a, it's an economic stimulus package.
00:08:51.460You know, every, you got to swap out every, every embassy needs a brand new flag every six months as you add the next group.
00:08:57.220You know, if you're, if you're not flying the, you know, the LGBTQ plus flag over Somalia, are you even America at this point?
00:09:04.060And so, and so you, you can kind of make sure that those flag manufacturers stay in business, probably in China, but you know, but that said, I'm glad that you dug into the data there because I was going to bring that up too.
00:09:20.540It's very revealing to the types of incentives that Prudentialist was talking about there.
00:09:24.980We've got the, you know, the number of, you know, this, this 24.5% that say they've, they've identified as LGBTQ, but if you look into the numbers, so, you know, the vast majority of high schoolers still not having, you know, sex at this point, but 34.6 have had some kind of sexual contact with the opposite sex.
00:09:45.360So heterosexual, sexual contact, only 6% identify, say that they've had any contact with both sexes and only 2.4% say they've only had contact with the same sex.
00:10:01.6806% says is with both, but only 2.4, 2.4% is with only one, which means 6% are having some kind of bisexual contact, but only 2.4% are having completely gay, you know,
00:10:14.760homosexual contact, which means that that 2.4% is roughly close to what most accurate estimates look at as the actual gay population.
00:10:28.240So funny enough, if you drill down into the data, we can see that the revealed behavior is the same.
00:10:37.200Only about 2.4% are still manifesting actively homosexuality.
00:10:42.940But 25% want to be seen as this identity, right?
00:10:49.480Which again, just, just speaks to Prudentialist and his point about incentives there.
00:10:54.580Now, Prudentialist, you did an excellent thread on the political implications of this data.
00:11:02.200When you did this thread, funny enough, it was, it was really prescient because it was just before this study came out.
00:11:07.280And we already knew this trend was coming.
00:11:08.660So you kind of saw a lot of this, but you talked about what this means politically, what this data means and how it affects the electoral map.
00:11:19.760So one of the things that really stuck out to me was actually the 2022 midterm elections, because regardless of the results, there was a report by Politico in October of 2022 that had said,
00:11:32.500according to the Human Rights Campaign and Bowling Green State University in Kentucky, based on the data from the U.S. Census Bureau,
00:11:38.300they find that by 2030, approximately one in seven voters will be LGBTQ.
00:11:44.040The researchers expected that share will grow to nearly as one in five by 2040.
00:11:48.640So these sort of cultural, political issues that we see are not going away anytime soon.
00:11:54.580It is a classic style of political patronage.
00:11:57.540Some might call it selectorate theory, where we see individuals who want to get elected or maintain power have to cater to certain groups in order to maintain that power.
00:12:06.580And so these sort of wedge issues about whether or not a man can be a woman or that, you know, the bathroom issues like we were seeing even beforehand in 2014 and 2015,
00:12:17.040these things are only going to continue as this widespread amount of people are responding to incentives.
00:12:24.760And the thing is, is that it's not going to just affect sort of the traditional, you know, stock of America's political voters.
00:12:31.260It's not going to just affect white voters or black voters.
00:12:33.560It's going to affect everyone that comes in here.
00:12:35.300I mean, there was a recent study that had indicated that most Muslims inside of the United States have relatively pro-gay attitudes,
00:12:42.080which is, you know, the cornerstone of the exact opposite of what they may have been in the old country.
00:12:47.740And so what we're seeing now is, is that with this growing population, whether they are actually committing homosexual acts or not,
00:12:54.980illustrates that, you know, you can create this sense of immediacy, the sense of danger.
00:12:59.280You know, back in 2012, you know, 20 plus years or 10 plus years ago, you saw that Vice President Joe Biden would tell black voters that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan were going to put black people back in chains.
00:13:11.240And now that sort of same sense of immediacy can now be used with sort of a genocidal attitude.
00:13:16.340There's a new trans victim or a new black trans individual murdered, despite the fact that they are a very small number of the murders overall.
00:13:23.880And this leads to people overestimating how important this issue is or how many of them are actually part of the United States population.
00:13:30.420And it gets reinforced in the culture.
00:13:32.420I mean, we went from less than a decade between the original series run of Will and Grace to the beginning of I Am Jazz on TLC and to the cultural revolution that came in in around 2012, 2014.
00:13:44.140And so everything that we're seeing here is totally changing the nature of how ordinary people engage.
00:13:51.260Mary Harrington has a great book about, you know, feminism against progress, talking about this cyborg theocracy where we can just interchange our parts here and there.
00:13:59.720People are going to see these as serious political issues with patronage networks, with millions of dollars going into NGOs,
00:14:06.240and even not millions more going into social engineering that's been going around since the days of, you know, Wilford Bayon and the Tavistock Institute.
00:14:14.360So this is going to have a longstanding impact on how whatever form of democracy survives in this country, it'll play a large role in that for the decades to come.
00:14:23.020Yeah, it's a really powerful strategy, right?
00:14:25.440You incentivize this identity, you assign this identity.
00:14:29.520And even though most of these people aren't acting on this identity, they're not actually living it out in any significant or meaningful way,
00:14:38.940they still see it as something that is existential for them because it is what has given them their uniqueness, right?
00:14:52.080And so it becomes something that must be defeated.
00:14:55.020And when you have one side that is the absolute champion of this at every opportunity, and the other side that is, let's be honest,
00:15:02.680desperately attempting to play some kind of catch up on this issue and provide no real counter narrative to it,
00:15:09.260then you end up in a situation where you're just infinitely driving the bus with a section of the electorate that can always be expanded at any time.
00:15:18.000Logan, what does the right do with this?
00:15:20.720I mean, it feels like the left is on just another level.
00:15:51.960This is it's just I mean, it's very advanced coalition building.
00:15:56.440The funny thing that you realize, not really in red states like Florida or Texas,
00:16:04.980but when you're in D.C., and I know this from experience, having lived there for three years,
00:16:11.820when you see a lot of the Republican think tanks and their staffers on the Hill,
00:16:19.820it's kind of this trope like they're almost gayer than the Democrats, at least in D.C.,
00:16:26.200because Republicans are just so desperate to not be labeled some hate, some hateful bigot or some sort of whatever phobe is the next thing
00:16:37.780that they preemptively try to self-select these people so that they can shield themselves from these criticisms that they're so afraid of in the media.
00:16:48.920They're completely out of touch, but they don't really have an answer to this either,
00:16:52.460because they kind of just shift the way the wind blows.
00:16:59.280And it's obvious that this ideology has pretty much I mean, it's kind of like that photo that I know you've said this or on before,
00:17:07.280but it's kind of like you've kind of been conquered by this ideology.
00:17:10.280That's what our entire foreign policy is based around now.
00:17:13.160Democracy is basically just a filler word for bringing bringing homosexuality or transgenderism to all the different corners of the world.
00:17:25.360And a lot of Republicans, their interests are aligned in such a way that, yeah, they might personally oppose it,
00:17:32.960but they're not going to oppose, let's say, the media in any real effective way or the foreign policy establishment in any real effective way.
00:17:39.940So if you're not prepared to take on those things, you're really not going to be prepared to take on this ideology.
00:17:48.320I mean, obviously, you're laying out the electoral consequences here, but what about the social engineering at this point?
00:17:55.700I mean, is there any approach that kind of break this stranglehold?
00:18:00.620What are the centers of this social engineering that is incentivizing this behavior?
00:18:05.080What do people on the right need to be aware of that is kind of driving this identity and its kind of installation in the minds of young people?
00:18:14.600Well, it's pretty darn pervasive, to say the least.
00:18:17.260I think what would be important for anyone to realize, whether they're, say, under 30, such as myself,
00:18:22.180or parents that are wanting to know how on earth they're going to raise their kids in this mess,
00:18:27.000is that for right now, what we have seen is that it is almost pretty ubiquitous in respects to the online media culture.
00:18:36.080You know, we've seen sort of what would be called like the mainstream of Tumblr being put out in every form of social media, Twitter, Reddit, etc.
00:18:43.500And that you have to be rather vigilant.
00:18:45.860We cannot be those kind of parents that you might see at a Walmart or any other kind of grocery store
00:18:50.880where they give their kids the phone instead of, you know, interacting with them.
00:18:55.440I think that that sort of unsupervised access is certainly there,
00:18:59.360alongside of sort of reintroducing the fact that, you know, not everybody out there wishes to do well for you.
00:19:05.800I mean, we were talking about this before we went live, but, you know,
00:19:08.560everything that we've discussed on the right on this sort of issue goes back to a lot of complaints that Phyllis Shafley made.
00:19:14.580You know, she was concerned about the Equal Rights Amendment affecting women's sports and athletics.
00:19:17.900She claimed in 1975 that liberals would want to put men into women's sports.
00:19:22.680And lo and behold, that has definitely become true.
00:19:24.820And the same way that she had called it out quite clearly, like this isn't something that breeds normally.
00:19:29.440It's recruited and we provide incentives to do so.
00:19:32.260So being aware of what media openly supports this and celebrates these kind of secular homosexual holy days
00:19:40.740or making sure that your kids are aware of the fact that there are places that you don't want to go to.
00:19:46.100I mean, if you're a parent out there listening and your child is a Reddit user,
00:19:50.440I would be very concerned if they're on a place called Egg IRL,
00:19:53.420which basically is to promote grooming and indoctrination into people thinking that they're transgender.
00:22:50.280But, yeah, I think it's very – not just the CDC study, but there's a really good Axios chart showing by generation the amount of people who identify.
00:23:02.220And I posted this multiple times before.
00:23:05.880And you show this to – I remember showing this to my grandma, and she just couldn't believe it.
00:23:11.460I mean, so I don't think the populations have changed.
00:23:15.920I think it's probably, as you said toward the beginning of the show, it's probably around the same percentage that it was back then.
00:23:23.520But now we've decided to not just encourage it, but obviously reward it.
00:23:30.440And so people are – young kids are learning that this is good, and you're going to get a step up in the corporate world or in the government.
00:23:39.480And that's – you don't even have to call it grooming.
00:23:43.740You can just call it encouraging and rewarding the identity.
00:23:47.840But either way, yes, that's what it is at the end of the day.
00:23:50.680Yeah, and again, this is why I think the term social engineering is something that the right has to grasp.
00:23:59.640The left – so democracy is not a fair system, okay?
00:24:03.340Democracy is not just where everybody gets together and, you know, what are the best ideas?
00:24:09.040We'll sort them out in the marketplace.
00:24:10.600And once the best ideas have been selected, the enlightened population will vote for the things that they most love, and then those things will be enacted by the government that has been selected.
00:24:23.400That's just not how anything works here, okay?
00:24:26.460The Democrats are aware that the best thing that you can do is to create the type of voters who will select the things you want, shape the opinions, shape the population, shape the identity of that population and its predilections, and then make sure that those things are all ideologically aligned with your goals.
00:24:48.320They understand this at a very fundamental level, and if you're still trying to play politics by, you know, making sure that the facts don't care about your feelings and bring in the debate club, like, you're going to lose.
00:25:14.480If you watch the just unbroken string of victories that the trans movement has put up in, like, three years, despite being incredibly unpopular in every way, and you still believe that popular sovereignty dictates politics in your country, I don't know what to tell you.
00:25:33.880Like, I'm sorry, but you've got to get it together.
00:25:39.100As long as democracy, as long as voting is what drives our political system, you've got to get in the game, and the game right now is social engineering.
00:25:49.760It's making sure that the electorate is interested and defined by the policies and the issues that you want to advance.
00:25:58.160That means you've got to have a game where you are able to set the agenda, where you are able to drive the incentives, where you are able to define the ideology, the phrasing, the framing, and the identity that is going to drive votes.
00:26:13.980And if you're not doing that, you're just not even in the ballgame.
00:26:17.020You can complain about Bud Light all you want, but this is where the action is, okay?
00:26:21.940As both of these gentlemen have pointed out, these people who don't actually act, these kids who don't actually act out these identities, have adopted them for a reason.
00:26:31.400Because they bring manifest benefits, because there's a patronage relationship, because there's an identity that these people are holding to that they understand creates benefits, because they're delivered by a specific political party and a specific political movement.
00:26:47.140And if your group isn't doing this, and another group is, if your side isn't doing this, and the other side is, you're just going to get blown out of the water every single time.
00:26:57.380You've got to be able to figure this out.
00:26:59.380And if you don't, you deserve to lose.
00:27:01.420If you cannot get on board with this, if you can't figure this out, if you are not able to keep pace with this, then you're going to get blown out.
00:27:07.760And you deserve to, because you simply refuse to understand the nature of the contest.
00:27:15.020That said, I wanted to point out the other really disgusting thing that has happened here recently, which is the DOJ.
00:27:25.840The DOJ is now challenging Tennessee's law and its ability to restrict the medical transition, and it's just mutilation, of minors inside its borders.
00:27:38.960So Tennessee, according to the Department of Justice, does not have the right to restrict the surgical abuse and mutilation of children because it violates their 14th Amendment right.
00:27:54.780The Civil Rights Revolution says that you cannot protect children inside your state, that your children have a civil right to mutilation by a medical professional.
00:28:04.820And so it's the Equal Protection Clause, the most dangerous thing ever placed in the Constitution, the most blank check ever written to the total state that is inside the 14th Amendment that is now being cited by the DOJ.
00:28:19.740Logan, you sent this to me first when you saw it.
00:28:58.180But I think at least one of them would be like having digital rights.
00:29:02.260What Elon has done on Twitter, you used to be able to get suspended on a whim just for calling a biological man a man.
00:29:11.180So I think one thing conservatives can do is push hard for platform access as a civil digital right after this technological revolution.
00:29:20.220I think another thing we need to get better at, kind of going back to your point, Oren, is we've got to get a lot better at our own propaganda and then we have to get a lot better at our own sort of organizing.
00:29:35.380So this is, you know, this is something that this is one of our missions at New Founding.
00:29:38.780But like you said, popular sovereignty isn't really a thing.
00:29:42.960This is an organized, a very, very organized and unrelenting minority on the left that's pushing this and that is controlling their party with this movement.
00:29:54.680And so I think one of the things the right can do is you're going to have to get a lot better at organizing.
00:30:00.880And you have to you also have to know that this is not going to let up.
00:30:06.440If you even if you just saw the the mass shooter at the school in Nashville, the trans mass shooter that left a manifesto and then zero zero media wondering why that happened or asking questions about the killer's motives to simultaneously, a couple of days later, they are celebrating this national trans day of visibility.
00:30:31.720Right. Like the trans people are the greatest thing that have ever happened to them.
00:30:35.800And that would be OK, because I know that they're they're going to do this regardless if they wouldn't have just completely ignored the mass shooting or celebrated the murder of Christian children.
00:30:48.360And so that was that should be a a an awakening for people on the right to what we're up against here.
00:30:55.600Yeah, it's it's absolutely insane that this comes on the heels of the violence by a trans shooter in Tennessee like this is very clearly timed right after this.
00:31:10.240Right. So we have we have someone who goes in and let's be clear, like, you know, to just go go further, Logan, the media.
00:31:19.380It's not that they it's not that they didn't ask why the trans shooter did this, they immediately ascribed motive to the shooter and they approved of it.
00:31:27.880Right. Like they immediately came out and said, Tennessee passed this law and this is why basically like you deserve this, like you earned this because you did it.
00:31:38.100Then the media was unashamed to immediately come out and attack Tennessee and other states who would protect children in this way and say you earned this because of your actions here.
00:31:48.140So it's even worse, like like it would be one thing if they hadn't even focused on, you know, if they just did the gun control two step where they're like, oh, you know, let's not focus on the identity of the shooter.
00:31:58.160Let's not focus on the motivation. We got to ban all the whatever, whatever, whatever.
00:32:01.920But that's not even what they did. They directly leaned into the identity of the shooter.
00:32:05.840They celebrated the identity of the shooter. They justified the motives.
00:32:09.860They had the glowing story story, I think, of the Daily Mirror talking about how the the shooter could have been a children's artist and had had whimsical displays of, you know, children and their art and this kind of things.
00:32:22.800They celebrated this person. They celebrated their cause.
00:32:26.160Madonna planned a concert to raise money in Nashville for the for the group of the shooter, not the people who were shot.
00:32:35.220Like they celebrated everything about this identity. And to cap this off with the fact that they're going to go ahead and then attack the very law itself, the very protection itself in the state where the shooting just happened is insane.
00:32:47.720And by the way, since everyone has forgotten this, just going to remind people there was another trans shooter who was planning to shoot up a middle school and churches who was caught, I believe, in Colorado Springs before that happened.
00:33:01.020So this was not some isolated incident. But the media, again, because that shooting didn't happen.
00:33:06.640Oh, just disappeared. You know, oh, you know, these two things are completely unconnected.
00:33:10.920Nothing to worry about with this ideology. The only thing you need to worry about is that somewhere an 11 year old can't get carved up by a doctor to create irrevocable harm.
00:33:19.920And that's the thing that you absolutely have to be worried about.
00:33:23.440Now, Prudentialist, I have been warning for a long time and I've been I've not been alone.
00:33:28.120There are many people who have been warning about this, that the civil rights revolution would pair up with the trans ideology to become the vector that would attack attack the family.
00:33:39.740That would be the way in which the total state would break up families, which would punish regime, punish regime enemies, which would show parents and, you know, strip them of custody if they did not comply with the regime's understanding of gender.
00:33:55.180And by going through and assigning these identities to these children young, it guarantees that this civil rights conflict exists.
00:34:02.300Right. And so we not only have a growing voting base that exists like you were talking about because of this application of identity, but we actually have a legally actionable movement of civil rights that is then able to strip away parental custody and parental protection.
00:34:20.180Protection. This becomes a direct attack on families and it starts by challenging the protection that is created in states like Tennessee.
00:34:28.940Yeah, absolutely. And we've also noticed that the language that is being used is very much to work within that sort of 14th Amendment and also civil rights framework.
00:34:37.960When they talk about that, no child, no parent has a right to their children as if they were property.
00:34:43.840They're speaking in sort of an abolitionist-esque language there.
00:34:47.560And it's very illustrative that I don't care what 8,000 plan you have to end wokeness unless it addresses the legal framework of the Civil Rights Act and the revolution around it.
00:34:57.420You will not succeed at any frame of reference.
00:34:59.940Does that mean that they're going to call, you know, the right wing racist or conservatives racist as they have for the last, I don't know, as long as I've been alive, if not longer?
00:35:06.820It's time to recognize that these are the things that you're going to have to deal with.
00:35:11.960And of course, this means that if they can find ways to legally extradite your child who identifies X, Y, Z way in order to get them out of your hands and arrest you for protesting,
00:35:22.300just as they have before by sicking the DOJ and the FBI on parents that protested about having pornographic material in elementary and middle schools, they will most likely do it.
00:35:33.400And we've already seen that where states like California have declared themselves as a transgender sanctuary state, the same way that they are with immigration, the same way they are with all other kinds of lawlessness.
00:35:44.460This is encouraged and subsidized by the state.
00:35:48.180And we have to keep several other things in mind as well on these issues.
00:35:51.460This is that, yeah, those two trans, you know, shooters, one was stopped, one unfortunately massacred, you know, six people, three of them children under the age of 10.
00:35:59.220And it is illustrative that this is more or less endorsed and if not incentivized by the state and that this isn't a place where you can run off to Idaho or Montana and be safe.
00:36:08.760In fact, in Des Moines, Iowa, Iowa, I think it's or Idaho, one of the two, they had Antifa group with weapons, you know, spawn up out of nowhere in a red state to defend a drag queen story hour sort of deal.
00:36:22.360And so it's really illustrative of the fact that this isn't something that you can run off to.
00:36:27.460This is a ubiquitous thing that you're going to have to face.
00:36:30.560And as you famously have said on Twitter and countless other times, Oren, the side that wants to win will always beat the side that wants to be left alone.
00:36:38.440And so the right really does need to catch up with this because it's basically acting as if we are a Polish, you know, bicycle rifle brigade compared to like the Blitzkrieg that's about to come in 1939.
00:36:49.180And we're not prepared for it. I think a big issue that lies there in is the fact that a lot of our propaganda outlets, a lot of our media, whether that be, say, like Newsmax or townhall.com or even Fox News, right?
00:37:02.580The average viewer is like 68 years old.
00:37:04.820We tend to cater towards a older audience because that's the ones who typically have money to donate to political groups that tend to vote conservative, but that's left us completely without any sort of tool or engagement towards the young.
00:37:19.640And what tools we do have, whether that be, say, the YAF or Turning Point USA, we're not focusing on these sort of mainstream cultural issues that those kids will go to college and recognize that a good chunk of their classmates inside of their dorms or in their auditorium lectures, they've got blue hair, they're overweight and identifying with ZZER pronouns, and they're not anything resembling a humane civil society.
00:37:44.500And it's encouraged. And so I think we need to seriously focus our attention on the youth.
00:37:48.960We need to seriously recognize that this has been a battle going on for quite some time and that it springboards off the last cultural revolution because the left is always in a state of perpetual revolution because it enables them to secure more power.
00:38:02.580I mean, this is like Harry Hayes' last laugh, a man that marched in a gay pride parade and said that Nambla walks with him.
00:38:09.020And here we are now where kids are being openly supported by the state to go mutilate themselves and cause irreplicable damage to their bodies, but also society.
00:38:17.860Yeah, it's not exactly rocket science here, but I think it's really important, too.
00:38:23.220In that thread you had, you talked about why, you know, some people on the right, especially kind of in our sphere, will decry some of this stuff.
00:38:32.040Oh, this is unimportant culture war stuff. It doesn't really matter. You should be focused on.
00:38:36.300And don't get me wrong. They're absolutely right. Immigration, like so much of that stuff is also critical.
00:38:41.660But I think they need to understand, due to the implications we've described here, how critical this issue is as well.
00:38:49.780Just like immigration, this issue is transforming the identity of the electorate and the nation.
00:38:57.080It is transforming our political process. It is transforming our laws.
00:39:01.000All of this stuff is being set down in stone as we speak and will be used down the road as a weapon of the regime to silence any kind of dissent, any kind of opposition.
00:39:13.080It's been made very clear that these opinions are not acceptable, that they will lose you your employment, that they will even possibly, you know, lose you your children, lose you your ability to have protests or any of these things.
00:39:26.700And like you said, Prudentialists, you can't hide from this stuff.
00:39:29.080You know, we've got Montana now, right, with the state representative.
00:39:34.020It's been removed. And, you know, it's only a matter of time before the DOJ finds some reason why that's a violation of civil rights and has to step in.
00:39:42.520And at some point, we're just in a cartoonish scenario where none of the state legislatures have any authority because the civil rights of, you know, the newest LGBTQ faction overrides all ability of any state to take any action whatsoever.
00:39:57.920And so it becomes very clear that this is the agenda, that this is going to be a major vehicle for the transformation of the United States and the perpetual victory of progressivism.
00:40:07.980And if you're not addressing this, I mean, look, guys, you've got to find your courage here.
00:40:12.580I don't care. I get it. Like talking about the civil rights revolution, that's scary, right?
00:40:17.660You're touching a third rail, but you got to. Like there's just there's no time left.
00:40:21.740You don't you don't have time to sit around and, you know, be scared about this.
00:40:25.620Like this is really important. And the fact that this is very obviously a vehicle.
00:40:29.620I mean, we're literally looking at the Department of Justice filing this brief using exactly this language.
00:40:34.820This is not some scare tactic that someone's pushing from the far right.
00:40:38.620This is not some kind of crazy conspiracy theory being cooked up by MAGA or something somewhere.
00:40:44.460This is what's happening. This is the active route that's being deployed by the left as we speak.
00:40:49.820Now, the good news is I did see, for instance, like Chris Ruffo recently say, look, I'm not sure civil rights law is on our side here.
00:40:57.320Like, I'm not sure that we can even expect the Civil Rights Act to, for instance, protect white children from being taught that they're the devil, that they're evil inside.
00:41:06.580Like the Civil Rights Act just doesn't seem to work for those people to protect them.
00:41:11.380And so I think there is some awareness growing that this is the vector of attack here and that it will continue along these lines.
00:41:18.380But I think people really need to become aware that if you don't address this issue, if you get squishy on this, if you pretend like this isn't the way that things are going to move and this isn't the the weapon that is being wielded by the left to ensure that they have electoral victory in perpetuity, then you just don't understand the way that your your political process is being transformed.
00:41:39.200Your society is being transformed and you really have to define the courage and the way to change that.
00:41:45.320But that said, we've got a few questions stacking up here, guys.
00:41:48.840Before we do, Logan, can you tell people where to find your excellent work, your Twitter, everything else?
00:42:22.780And also make sure Prudentialist made sure to remind me we have the Skildings events coming coming up here in Tennessee and I'll be speaking there.
00:43:15.880But anyway, he says, for fun, Canadian, thank you very much.
00:43:18.840Libs of TikTok really showed the normies what's being promoted.
00:43:23.000Yeah, I mean, it really cannot be understated how important Libs of TikTok was and the work surrounding that.
00:43:30.880The fact that the Babylon Bee stepped up with others and made it possible for Libs of TikTok to kind of become a full-time thing and make it shareable to everybody is just really important.
00:43:43.800People simply didn't know what was going on.
00:43:46.020They didn't understand what was being taught in their schools.
00:43:48.400They didn't understand how teachers were treating students, what was being pushed on them.
00:43:55.160By the way, I wrote a piece this week about something called restorative justice, which is another woke Marxist infiltration of the school system, particularly pertaining to the way that discipline is handled inside the school system.
00:44:10.060This stuff goes even deeper than you understand, guys.
00:44:12.200It's not just the ideology being taught to your kids.
00:44:14.440It's literally how the classroom is being managed.
00:44:17.440It's built into the structure of the very suspensions, those kind of things, and how they're being handed out.
00:44:25.120And so if you want to understand more about that, you can check that out as well.
00:44:28.340I made a video about that, too, so you can watch that and better understand that.
00:44:44.120Defeating Nomeness will require a complete overtaking and denotification of the system.
00:44:48.860All efforts like those by DeSantis or TPO say are super cringe.
00:44:53.240So, yeah, if you didn't catch this, during my stream with Curtis Yarvin, this was kind of his assertion about kind of what this would take.
00:45:01.740He said, okay, do you want to force people to understand what's going on here?
00:45:07.460Do you want to change this by, like, direct action?
00:45:10.880Then you basically have to have a system of denotification.
00:45:14.500And Paul Gottfried, famously, for those who don't know, said that basically that's what we have in the United States right now.
00:45:21.340Like, denotification is basically, like, the driving impetus of our government.
00:45:25.780They view conservatives, right-wingers, red staters as basically fascists.
00:45:36.360There's no hiding the ball here with different phrases.
00:45:39.960You know, Biden just comes out and calls you a fascist to your face, whatever.
00:45:42.880And so, basically, what we're going through right now is a left-wing denazification, a left-wing campaign to remove those that they call fascists from any kind of public life, to ban their way of life, to ban their participation in the political system, to basically criminalize political opposition that they deem to be fascists, which is literally all of it.
00:46:06.160And so, you know, Curtis Yarvin said, if you want to do the other thing, you do it the other way, that's the only way to do it.
00:46:14.480His suggestion was seduction of the elites, a term which I think has some ambiguity to it.
00:46:24.340It sounds great, but I'm always asking, okay, when does this happen?
00:46:31.540I don't see a lot of seduction happening.
00:46:33.460I'm told that at some point a crew of dark elves will emerge and they will seduce our elites and they will transform all these blue elites who completely have devoted themselves to trans kids to suddenly becoming, I don't know, some kind of, you know, Bible Belt conservative.
00:47:48.520I really wanted to see, like, just Gandalf, but screaming at someone, just throwing the pipe at, you know, at someone as they're sitting on the porch there in the Shire.
00:48:46.660But it's very clear that this ideology is a vehicle, that it is probably the primary vector by which the total state is collapsing any kind of hope of opposition.
00:48:57.360If you can convince a quarter of the population, even who aren't acting on any of these impulses, that this identity is key to them and that it is a friend-enemy distinction, that it is key to their survival, and that they have to support it at all costs, that it's an existential threat to them.
00:49:16.640If anyone questions their ability to transition a 12-year-old, then you're going to own the electoral map for the rest of however long that exists.
00:49:26.580And you just, if you don't get that, if you're not grasping that, if you don't get that this is just the same as letting millions of migrants cross your border every year, then you're not understanding.
00:49:39.460Again, we just don't have time for people to not get this.
00:49:41.980It's something that's happening right now.
00:49:44.460It's already deeply ingrained, and you've got to grasp this.
00:49:47.640If I could add in there real quick, it's just a lot of people will say, well, why are you focusing on this issue when there are much larger ones at hand?
00:49:54.560I mean, a lot of these issues all go hand in hand.
00:49:57.640These are not just one-offs that will affect the other.
00:50:00.100I mean, consider the fact that you're telling a large portion of Gen Z, which is like one in, or what we just talked about, one in five now, right?
00:50:07.560Or even one in four for some, even if a large majority of them are not participating in those kind of acts, which are horrible as they are, they're still engaging in a dysgenic and antenatal behavior.
00:50:17.820We've encouraged for the last several generations now not to encourage in having children.
00:50:22.400Most people don't view it as a duty to continue society.
00:50:25.440They just see it as a financial burden.
00:50:27.360They don't really care about the idea of having kids.
00:50:29.660You saw this with the abortion debate.
00:50:31.300And so when people aren't having children and policy planners are looking at this and say, oh, wow, well, the numbers must continue to go up, the economy must grow, a line must go up.
00:50:40.540Well, I mean, that means that only encourages more unfettered immigration.
00:50:43.600All of these issues compound one another in a way that leads to the absolute desiccation of American culture, what this nation once was.
00:50:51.220Because, you know, to Orin's idea of the total state, which he's excellently outlined in his substack, tells us that a lot of these guys really don't mind if they get to rule over a large economic zone.
00:51:02.380Like, you know, they're the kings of the mall rats or whatever, because they're the ones in charge and they've effectively diluted all political power out of this.
00:51:09.460So I would agree that, yeah, a lot of our youth outreach on the right is atrocious.
00:51:14.060That's why they kept looking for YouTubers and looking for alternatives and blogs and obscure books and texts, because what we do have right now is not effective.
00:51:22.160I mean, I've gone to, you know, those kinds of events and things like that when I was in college.
00:51:26.140And I still found my way finding people like Ron Paul and others like him way more interesting than anything that was on there.
00:51:33.120So we do have to do better on that end, because if not, we are going to be completely unprepared, ready for the blitzkrieg of rainbow flags to run over us.
00:51:47.660I think another reason why it's important to realize these issues compound is because every day in the media, you see some sort of piece that's about, oh, we need more trans immigrants from Ukraine or something like that.
00:52:23.620The coalition is woven together by its contradictions.
00:52:27.420As ridiculous as people might find any given piece of it, it all works together as a whole.
00:52:32.700And to ignore it and just wave it away is insignificant because it's not the piece you want to focus on.
00:52:38.820I just think it's foolish in the long run.
00:52:40.800Yeah, I mean, we haven't ever recovered on the right from the intersectionality arguments.
00:52:46.160And that's where you see a lot of people that wouldn't even call themselves on the right are correct.
00:52:50.480I think that James Lindsay is correct, for instance, to focus on the intersectionality thing.
00:52:54.200But what bolsters that intersectional framework is the legal and governmental effects of that, whether it's the civil rights, jurisprudence, or the financial and political incentives to do so.
00:53:05.060And when you combine those two together, that's how we get what we see right here, whether it's immigration, abortion, or transing the kids.
00:53:13.140Those things are the perfect marriage of intersectional critical theorists and the civil rights regime framework.
00:53:52.980But, yeah, it is certainly the case that this is what drives a lot of behavior.
00:53:58.880And so when you have a regime which manipulates the law, which manipulates outcomes and incentives to make sure that certain groups are favored, certain behaviors are favored, certain ideologies are favored, then this is what you're going to get.
00:54:15.600So, Owen, that's a really good question, and it can be somewhat difficult.
00:54:32.160So, as a former teacher, I can tell you that it's very difficult for teachers to organize in this way because literally their jobs are pretty much predicated on their ability to kind of spout this nonsense, to spout this propaganda, to regurgitate it, or they're just going to get fired.
00:54:50.260And so it's really hard for them to organize in a different way.
00:54:53.700I remember seeing the little safe place, you know, rainbow creeping, you know, changing ideology flag popping up in every window in a school.
00:55:07.320And it's kind of ludicrous because every place in that school is safe for LGBTQ, whatever, that it's celebrated, like every moment of it is incentivized.
00:55:17.060So putting a sticker that says safe place on it was completely unnecessary.
00:55:20.520It's literally just watching the Havel's Green Grocer signs go up, you know, workers of the world unite in each classroom, knowing that if you don't have that sign up in your classroom, eventually someone's going to notice and you'll be identified as an enemy of the state.
00:55:33.820So it is very difficult, even in very based states, every, you know, red states for teachers to kind of organize against this stuff.
00:55:42.480One of the best things that can happen right now is the kind of movement that a person like, say, Corey DeAngelis is pushing, which is breaking students away from being tied to the system, making sure that the funding follows the student and not the system.
00:56:22.720How can we get rid of the pipeline of money that's going directly to our political enemies and redirect it to people who will be our allies while also freeing children of having to go to these state manufactured prisons where they get taught woke ideology all day?
00:56:53.400But instead of going directly to the government school, the student can take it to a different school.
00:56:58.180They can take it to your small Catholic school.
00:57:00.040They can take it to your private school.
00:57:02.620And that can then make sure that teachers have a place where they can teach that is accordance with their values, that doesn't force them to teach this stuff, that doesn't force them to push these identities onto children.
00:57:14.940And so by this, you not only break the state monopoly on education and the state stranglehold on the funding, but you make sure that that funding doesn't just disappear into ether, doesn't just go into some other department's budget, doesn't just get shipped to democracy in Ukraine, but it actually goes to some place where a student is getting the kind of education,
00:57:34.720the kind of moral instruction, the kind of worldview that will make them more conservative, that will make them more right wing, which will make them vote.
00:57:42.960You can engage in the thing the left does by understanding that you don't just blow up the power because you can't blow up the power, but instead you redirect the power to something that's going to benefit you.
00:57:53.520And so I think, and benefit more importantly, the next generation and the children, right?
00:57:57.100This isn't just pure, it has the nice part of being politically useful, but more importantly, it's also morally correct and helps shape the next generation in a positive way.
00:58:07.100So I think if there's one thing you could share among parents and teachers, if this is not a program that has already been instituted in your state, I would definitely be sharing this program because it's just a common sense way to break kids out of this ideology,
00:58:23.420to break teachers away from having to teach this ideology and allow parents to have the choice to put their students in a place where their values are going to be taught and where they're not forced into this.
00:58:33.080There's also, of course, a whole lot else. I mean, you could, you can share what I just wrote about restorative justice. So, you know, your parents understand better what's happening inside their schools.
00:58:43.520There's plenty of people like Chris Rufo have great material on this. There's lots of avenues at this point, but I think that break between the funding of all of these state institutions and redirecting it to a places that give an alternative is probably the best thing you can do at this point.
00:59:00.040And to contextualize real quick, I usually will print out, say, a sub stack like yours or PG Keenan's, and I'll share them with like the county GOP chair and things like that.
00:59:09.800So people who are politically active are aware that there are different ways to look at things with respects to parenting culture and so on.
00:59:17.480Also run you or someone you trust to uphold your values for local school board. That is seriously very important, too.
00:59:27.580Yeah, absolutely. Everyone knows I'm not a huge fan of democracy, but if you're going to participate in it, participate it at the local level where it matters, guys.
00:59:36.000Okay, I'm sorry, but Trump isn't the guy. DeSantis isn't the guy. One election isn't going to change this. You got a whole lot more work ahead of you.
00:59:44.780So if you're going to put all of your blood, sweat, and tears into something, do it into something that matters, like Logan is talking about.
00:59:51.340Make sure that your local school board is impacted. Make sure your local sheriff cares about the Second Amendment.
00:59:57.400Make sure that your DAs are going to enforce the law. Make sure that your governor is not going to shut down your state next time the federal government decides that the sniffles mean that we should,
01:00:07.140you know, completely end human civilization. These are the things that are really going to impact you. Don't get me wrong.
01:00:13.560I would love to see a massive top-down change of the federal government, but that's probably just not in the cards right now.
01:00:20.840And at the moment, the best thing you can do if you're going to be involved is be involved, like Logan's talking about, in the local area where it's going to impact you.
01:00:29.140Or, and I can't believe you used to be a teacher.
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