The Auron MacIntyre Show - Pam Bondi Out, Birthright Citizenship on the Line ｜ Guest： Tom Sauer

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00:01:19.420 know that the goal is regime change in iran but it seems like we might be getting a little regime

00:01:24.100 change at home here recently we had pam bondy fired yesterday from her position we also have

00:01:30.700 an army chief of staff and several other generals it looks like there's some spring cleaning

00:01:35.300 happening over with the trump administration we also have the critical case of a birthright

00:01:41.900 citizenship the 14th amendment can you just be an american because you happen to be born here

00:01:47.000 while your chinese mom was paying a bunch of people to traffic you into the united states

00:01:51.320 Well, the Supreme Court, for some reason, is having a difficult time deciding if that's the case. Joining me to discuss this is Tom Sauer. He is a fellow at the Claremont Institute, a Lincoln fellow, and he's also a former Navy EOD officer. Tom, thank you so much for coming on.

00:02:08.220 Hey, Oren, thank you so much for having me.

00:02:10.280 This is a huge honor because I'm a big fan of yours.

00:02:13.220 I mean, I even have your book back here.

00:02:15.580 And I think you're one of the best guys in the business of all this.

00:02:19.500 And it's a real honor to be here.

00:02:21.220 I watch you all the time.

00:02:22.100 So this is very surreal for me.

00:02:23.400 This is great.

00:02:24.660 Well, Tom, no one will accuse you of not being a man of taste and distinction.

00:02:28.280 So I really appreciate you coming on today.

00:02:30.940 Well, let's open up with the biggest news, which is, of course, the Pam Bondi situation.

00:02:36.220 Now, Bondi came in, obviously, after there was already some contention for that spot.

00:02:42.980 Matt Gaetz was originally supposed to be the pick for attorney general, but obviously had a very difficult confirmation in front of him and ultimately withdrew for the good of the president's administration.

00:02:54.960 When Pam Bondi came in, many people were hopeful, but there have been some bumps in the road.

00:02:59.840 I think the most notable one has been the Epstein rollout.

00:03:03.680 I know that's not the strictest legal issue, but for many people, the way that was handled was something that really hurt the administration's momentum in certain ways.

00:03:13.500 And then, of course, we've seen Bondi with some positive movement when it comes to Antifa, but not the follow ups many people were hoping in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination.

00:03:22.920 They were looking for broad, sweeping attempts to break down the leftist machine, the different NGOs and others that fund many of the violent terrorist organizations that operate in the United States under the auspice of leftist protest.

00:03:36.540 And I think in general, the idea was that while Bondi seemed competent in certain areas, she fell flat in the ones that were most important to many of the public relations issues that the Trump administration was trying to address.

00:03:49.020 What's your read on the switch up?

00:03:50.340 Yeah, I'd say that with Bondi, you know, I think it all started with that Epstein rollout. All of a sudden, that was not the best start. I had several friends of mine that were part of the influencer social media, and I'm sure you did, too, that were in the room for that.

00:04:05.560 And it's interesting, there's a backstory to that that I think that most people might not be aware of is a lot, all of those folks, those social media influencers did not attend, didn't show up to the White House because of Pam Bondi and this Epstein files, you know, volume one or phase one or whatever it was.

00:04:21.300 They were there because just like the White House is inviting social media folks there.

00:04:25.200 It was my buddy, Jack Masobic and Mike Cernovich and a few other folks that were there.

00:04:29.500 And that wasn't part of it.

00:04:31.300 They were just there to meet, talk to media, see how they could interact, et cetera, et cetera.

00:04:35.560 And then unexpectedly, Pam Bobby rolls up with all these binders about the Epstein files.

00:04:41.840 And they said, hey, we've got this.

00:04:43.580 We want to give these to you guys.

00:04:44.980 And this is it.

00:04:45.580 And everyone was kind of taken by surprise.

00:04:48.040 And nobody had really gone through the binders.

00:04:51.820 And what's funny is because, you know, right when it happened, I was getting a call from, you know, a couple of friends who were involved.

00:04:56.540 And they said, yeah, it was kind of crazy what happened.

00:04:58.800 And then, you know, then everyone wanted to take pictures.

00:05:01.460 They took pictures.

00:05:02.120 And we thought this is it.

00:05:03.240 And then they start going through it.

00:05:04.560 and right away this is like wait a second this is there's nothing new here and uh on top of that

00:05:10.800 i you know because look is how do i say this are the epstein files like the most important thing

00:05:16.800 going on within doj right now no but i'd say that they're very it's a very emotional thing for a lot

00:05:22.860 of people um i don't believe that the epstein drama saga whatever you'll call it is ever going

00:05:29.760 to be solved i don't think it will ever be uh you know as much as i wish it would be i don't think

00:05:34.900 it will be it's been mopped up whatever it is and they're hoping it's going to get memory hold

00:05:38.900 so i think that was the first misstep or at least in terms of optics whether right or wrong i think

00:05:44.540 it was just an optics thing and then next when you had when we had her dealing with a lot of

00:05:50.160 the antifa folks not going quite as hard there's a lot of tough talk and strong strongly worded

00:05:55.300 tweets and letters and whatnot but you know what we're really looking to see was like we wanted

00:06:00.060 to see to see people who rightly should have been going to prison for 10 years 10 plus years

00:06:05.280 uh for what they did and we're not seeing that and so we didn't see a lot of that but apparently

00:06:11.040 out of all of that from the read i got where there's two big things was one she she didn't

00:06:16.600 have a great performance in front of congress when she's testifying uh it was a little it was a

00:06:25.280 did her in uh according according to sources people familiar with the matter is that uh it

00:06:31.200 was because apparently she had tipped off swalwell regarding some documents that were going to come

00:06:35.860 out regarding his relationship with the chinese spy that he was sleeping with and apparently she

00:06:41.200 uh inadvertently or maybe deliberately tipped him off and that and when she wasn't supposed to and

00:06:46.680 that really upset the president and uh that was really the final straw that did that that did her

00:06:53.260 in. So yeah, that's kind of what happened there. And yeah. Yeah, I think that's right. As much as

00:07:00.660 a lot of people want to downplay the importance of the Epstein files, whether there was a true,

00:07:06.920 deep, dark conspiracy to unravel there or not. And honestly, I think there is a lot of smoke

00:07:12.180 in that fire. Ultimately, the biggest part of it is not the actionable part. It's the part where

00:07:18.980 people believe this to be critical to the credibility of the trump administration right

00:07:23.540 you have you're supposed to go in there you're supposed to clean up the corruption it's about

00:07:26.660 cleaning up the swamp the one thing we want you to do is at least give us a window into the swamp

00:07:33.240 what's going on there even if you can't prove everything even if you can't indict everyone

00:07:36.800 be upfront and honest with us right and the fact that the epstein files eventually did

00:07:41.120 start to come out uh only made it harder for the trump administration because then a narrative they

00:07:46.280 own kind of got away from them right like this was a big thing even even jd vance was talking

00:07:51.560 to theo vaughn saying hey uh we got to get the epstein files out there right like when you have

00:07:56.580 the vice president saying that right before an election and then we just get nothing and the

00:08:02.380 administration says oh well it's probably like russian you know disinformation or something

00:08:06.220 like that hits people between the eyes like that's that's just one of the biggest political

00:08:10.220 fumbles i've ever seen again i i totally get it maybe you can't indict anybody maybe that's just

00:08:15.060 the case but you got to bring that information forward and control the release we're the good

00:08:20.120 guys we're the ones in charge we're the ones bringing the light even if we can't nail everybody

00:08:25.000 down at least you know we're on your side and we're trying to get things done i think that was a

00:08:29.420 a big difficulty in transition and then like you said just the fact that you did not have that

00:08:34.160 prosecutions coming forward it's very clear we need a wartime ag and i don't just mean that

00:08:39.300 because we're at war i mean that in the sense of you know the the whole domestic agenda

00:08:44.920 really rests on making sure that Democrats pay a price for what they did while Joe Biden was in

00:08:50.720 office. And what we've just seen from Pam Bondi is just no price being paid. There was the group,

00:08:56.260 obviously Don Lemon and those that went into that church during the protest. They did go after them.

00:09:01.640 I'm very glad that happened. All credit to them for that. But that's really, unfortunately,

00:09:05.520 it feels like an outlier in an otherwise rather lackluster attempt to really punish the left for

00:09:11.600 their behavior. And I think a big part of all of this, that not enough people appreciate. So like

00:09:17.740 I live here in the DC area. I just moved back here a few months ago after spending about six

00:09:21.720 years in Southern California. And you know, I live, you know, 20 minutes from the white house

00:09:27.160 and Pentagon and all that. I'm really close to a lot. And I have a lot of friends who are in the

00:09:30.080 admin, white house, Pentagon, et cetera. And I talked to them all the time, personal friends,

00:09:35.160 right. That I've known for a long time. And one thing that I have noticed a kind of a recurring

00:09:39.800 theme is we have to realize though that you know we're they uh the the total state you know the

00:09:46.540 deep state whatever you want to call it right like your typical mid-level and in some cases senior

00:09:51.840 bureaucrats right who really run a lot of these things are not on our team right and so when you

00:09:58.160 only have so many political appointees right there's only so much you can do and i'm not saying

00:10:05.120 that's not i'm not saying that's an excuse it doesn't make an excuse for everything but sometimes

00:10:09.220 it's like you got to deal with the people even if they might be notionally aligned with you

00:10:13.180 it's like hey this is kind of that way we do things we're not going to move too fast

00:10:17.880 i'm not making excuses i'm just kind of explaining like that's the state of things

00:10:21.960 we have that you know we talked you know there's the other folks who've uh gotten fired the generals

00:10:26.300 right we've had a few generals that have left and got keep in mind that so much of the rank and file

00:10:31.480 of the dc establishment even under the trump administration you know there's only so many

00:10:37.780 political appointees you can put when you've got a you know what i don't know however many million

00:10:41.700 people in the federal government especially in positions of influence there are civil servants

00:10:47.220 who are in positions of influence real influence there they're not political appointees and they

00:10:52.260 carry a ton of sway they can say oh we can't find this they'll slow roll it and a lot look and and

00:10:57.380 their objective is to really wait you out and they were very effective at it in the first term

00:11:03.060 they are less effective at it in the second term i'm not saying it's perfect but then again

00:11:08.720 look and i there's probably been a recurring theme that you've talked about is what is the

00:11:13.280 alternative right like this is about as the best we can hope for right now but the thing is those

00:11:19.940 i think it's really important to kind of uh take a good look at like the bright side of things like

00:11:25.020 there's a lot of things that are happening within the government that are really really good right

00:11:28.860 now. So it's not a perfect report card, but I mean, this is light years ahead of what I think

00:11:36.820 that we could have reasonably expected. Yeah. So this is such a difficult situation because as you

00:11:43.600 say, I know several people in the administration who are truly burning the midnight oil to try to

00:11:49.300 make this thing work, right? Like it's not a joke for them. It's not fake. They're not there to

00:11:55.320 collect a paycheck or get the the line on the resume they want to make this thing work so i

00:12:00.280 know these people are in the admin i'm not here to throw shade on their work or despairs them in

00:12:05.220 any way but this is what i've told people when i you know when when i've talked to people in the

00:12:10.060 admin you know about this stuff i've told them repeatedly you guys are making the biggest change

00:12:15.880 i've ever seen by any republican administration in my lifetime and it simply isn't enough and

00:12:21.560 that's not an insult like you guys are doing right you're moving mountains unfortunately we need you

00:12:26.000 to move planets on this one you know and this is that's that's brutal because there's nothing worse

00:12:30.460 than like being the best guy at you know at what you're doing and being told you have to do better

00:12:36.100 but it's just the case like we're we're in a position where the administration was elected

00:12:41.180 into a do or die situation and so while what they're doing is still very impressive it just

00:12:46.880 isn't sufficient and so that's that's the you know that's the message i want going out to these guys

00:12:52.120 we appreciate what you're doing we appreciate your service we know you're working hard but we gotta

00:12:57.160 we gotta you know put whatever gear you're in if it's if it's already four we gotta go to five like

00:13:02.020 there's just no there's no other option and that this is why it would be helpful i think it really

00:13:07.140 would if the trump administration is hampered in the manner that you are discussing i would

00:13:12.080 appreciate them just coming out and saying that directly saying look guys uh we came here to get

00:13:18.380 this done but 75 of the admin is still appointed by previous guys part of the deep state we simply

00:13:25.080 do not have the power that you think we have we need that power because you can't ask for the

00:13:30.780 power until you admit you don't have it and right now i feel like the trump administration is trying

00:13:34.860 to pretend they have the power when they don't and it would just be better if they would come

00:13:39.860 to the american people say we want to give you the whole epstein files we want to prosecute these

00:13:43.780 people right we want the mass deportations we want to do this stuff but we can't because we are we

00:13:49.260 are literally being denied this the the government system as you understand it does not work the way

00:13:54.020 you think it does here's how it actually works and why we can't operate it i think yeah while

00:13:58.600 some people would say oh well that's admitting that you don't have power i think that's actually

00:14:02.160 a good thing because then you can come to the american people and say we need more authority

00:14:05.720 and you can give it to us right when when plan mold bug when we go full plan mold bug no but

00:14:13.640 also an issue of it isn't just necessarily power because lots of times the power is there it takes

00:14:17.760 time and that's one thing you think oh you've got four years that's not a lot of time so and for

00:14:22.960 example i'm sure you've got friends in the admin i certainly do i've got more than one who has told

00:14:28.040 me independently that they even though look a lot of people are hopeful and hey a lot can change

00:14:34.180 between now and the midterm elections but a lot of people in the admin are planning as though

00:14:40.840 they're uh we will lose in the midterms there's be prepared for it right yep and they are fully

00:14:47.320 expecting to have and that's why sometimes when i i text certain friends of mine you know about

00:14:51.940 something even remotely work related they just don't answer me and i was like what the hell

00:14:56.200 you know you answered me about totally personal things and then uh and then they and when i met

00:15:01.400 him in person, he said to me, Hey, look, man, here's the deal. I've been told pretty much

00:15:06.020 already that next year we should expect to have all of our phones subpoenaed and we're going to

00:15:11.940 get the post. So, I mean, like, like they're planning for it as just a precaution. Hey,

00:15:18.100 maybe things can change. It's not like anybody's admitting defeat, but you've got to be able to

00:15:21.580 plan for the contingency. Right. And so they're already planning on like every text and the email,

00:15:26.820 well, emails already is a matter of public record, right? But every text, I mean, even probably off

00:15:31.680 their personal phones is going to get subpoenaed and they're going to get to post. They're planning

00:15:36.440 for that right now as though just like, Hey, this is your working assumption. So be very careful

00:15:40.660 what you say, even over signal, anything like that. I mean, yeah, it's, it's, they're taking

00:15:46.340 it pretty seriously, but it's just an issue of time. Now I'm very actually hopeful. Like I'm,

00:15:50.920 I'm a, you know, hope springs eternal. I'm a forever white pillar kind of a guy. And, you

00:15:55.820 know, I think that some magic can happen between now and this November, but also keep in mind,

00:16:01.300 there's a lot of people who view this as like, look, we really only have a year to get things

00:16:06.220 done, less than a year, right? To get anything done. Because if we lose the house, then basically

00:16:12.040 the expectation is that the remaining two years is going to be completely embroiled in nothing but

00:16:18.040 oversight hearings and impeachments, right? Like that's kind of like, hey, if we lose,

00:16:22.460 that's why that's why we have to win you know i i agree 100 but that's why i was hoping for

00:16:26.940 four million more deportations by now you know what i mean right no i know and i i get it and

00:16:32.260 the other one that i i i heard a lot from folks and friends at dhs that kind of tell me is like

00:16:36.740 look one great way to enable a lot of uh mass self-deportations is start requiring proof of

00:16:43.020 citizenship proof of id for banking you travel all sorts of stuff where basically you make this

00:16:49.260 place unlivable apparently there's some uh pretty serious banking influence that's kind of trying

00:16:54.780 to push him away from that so that might change though no no way tom really i know i know this

00:17:00.120 sounds crazy right yeah i know there is there might i've been told there's some of that but

00:17:04.280 and and this might be the silver lining though to a potential um a a potential you know hey if the uh

00:17:13.560 if this supreme court decision doesn't go our way and you know we're not sure about that

00:17:17.200 is uh that might trigger us to take some more extreme measures when it comes to you know

00:17:22.840 deportations like we got to get something done here with the birthright citizenship issue you

00:17:27.240 know 100 so well we'll get we'll get further in that in just a second but before we leave

00:17:31.540 uh bonnie i did want to get your uh thoughts on possible replacements obviously todd blanche's

00:17:37.580 her deputy is going to be stepping in to the breach and uh in in the next few months uh but

00:17:43.120 do you see him staying on permanently? Do you, you know,

00:17:45.060 many people have floated people like Armie Dillon or Ron DeSantis possibly

00:17:51.340 though, obviously his relationship with the administration is as touch and go.

00:17:55.860 Do you see any stronger figures?

00:17:58.140 Cause one of the arguments people always gave and sadly I thought they were

00:18:01.740 probably right about that. It's like, you might think Pam Bondi's bad,

00:18:04.620 but who's behind her, you know, who, who, who do you actually replace her with?

00:18:08.600 What I think matters,

00:18:09.740 the biggest factor in all this is who can get confirmed, right?

00:18:13.120 so it has to be and like that's the thing like yeah i mean sure we'd all love to have steven

00:18:17.860 miller who's not even an attorney right to be you know there's no restrictions we can put him

00:18:23.080 attorney general you can nominate him but you but you got to get him confirmed you know and so i so

00:18:28.900 i think they're gonna have to go so i think i think a lee zeldin could be it um yeah you know

00:18:34.040 people have already asked mike lee but but no he's not leaving he needs to you know i'm sure that

00:18:38.180 there are some folks who would love it so there's there's one fewer senator banging the drum about

00:18:42.860 the Save America Act. But, um, you know, I, I, if I had to guess probably Lee Zeldin or it could

00:18:48.320 be Blanche who could stay on, uh, or you'd still have to get confirmed again. So I think those are

00:18:53.360 the most likely ones. I think we're going to get somebody decent, but I think it's got to be

00:18:56.860 somebody that's confirmable that we don't need another circus of a, of a Senate.

00:19:01.580 Yeah. I of course agree with you about that, but I'm also worried, you know, it's like, well,

00:19:06.600 when we're fighting for, uh, that kind of viability, oh, they have to be able to get

00:19:11.940 approved well that's how we lose a guy like mad gates in the first first place that's uh you know

00:19:17.360 ultimately how often we get half measures there uh it looks like tom might have frozen so i don't

00:19:22.760 know if he's still there you still there tom he might have had an internet connection issue

00:19:28.820 hopefully we'll get him back soon uh but either way uh yeah i am worried about the oh well it's

00:19:36.020 whoever we can get approved uh line it is of course tactically correct you do obviously have to get

00:19:41.940 someone through the Senate approval process. But, you know, the people who can get through that and

00:19:47.780 will actually do the job seem probably like a smaller and smaller list every day. And that's

00:19:53.700 extremely concerning. Yeah, it looks like Tom dropped out there, but we'll get back to him as

00:19:58.480 soon as he is able to reconnect. So the next thing I wanted to talk to you guys about today is, of

00:20:04.140 course, the Supreme Court talking about birthright citizenship. One of the most exciting things

00:20:09.120 that the Trump administration was able to announce was its interest in challenging

00:20:14.160 birthright citizenship. The 14th Amendment has been poorly understood for a long time. It's

00:20:20.420 been manipulated. Originally, it was part of the 13th, 14th, 15th Amendment, what we often call

00:20:25.920 the Civil War Amendments that happened after the Civil War. 13th Amendment outlawed slavery. 14th

00:20:32.780 Amendment had lots of different parts, but one of them was, of course, an adjustment to citizenship

00:20:37.240 to address whether or not slaves or the children of slaves would be considered Americans for the

00:20:43.780 purpose of citizenship and the 15th Amendment secured voting rights for African-American men

00:20:49.140 at the time. So a big 14th Amendment switchover was when we stopped seeing it as something that

00:20:55.020 was specifically made to right the wrongs of the Civil War and instead was turned into a blank

00:21:01.580 check for giving pretty much everyone citizenship. Here's Tom back here. It looks like they were

00:21:06.380 tried to take you out but glad you're able to reconnect here uh but i was just diving into the

00:21:11.600 yes yes uh but glad you're able to reconnect it looks like uh like i was saying there though that

00:21:18.400 the supreme court is looking at the 14th amendment challenge here looking at birthright citizenship

00:21:23.240 uh and it's unfortunately not looking great for the trump administration i want to play

00:21:27.760 a few clips from some of our illustrious justices before we break this down real quick here is

00:21:33.320 justice uh jackson on uh well what we can only say is one of the most amazing uh assertions we've

00:21:40.580 ever had during a supreme court hearing was thinking about this and i think they there are

00:21:47.640 various sources that say this that you can have you obviously have permanent allegiance uh based

00:21:54.160 on being born in whatever country you're from that's what everybody recognizes but you also

00:21:59.640 have local allegiance when you are on the soil of this other sovereign.

00:22:06.420 And I was thinking, you know, I'm a U.S. citizen and visiting Japan.

00:22:11.200 And what it means is that, you know, if I steal someone's wallet in Japan, the Japanese

00:22:19.160 authorities can arrest me and prosecute me.

00:22:23.300 It's allegiance meaning can they control you as a matter of law.

00:22:28.260 I can also rely on them if my wallet is stolen to, you know, under Japanese law, go and prosecute the person who has stolen it.

00:22:36.980 So there's this relationship based on even though I'm a temporary traveler, I'm just on vacation in Japan.

00:22:43.700 I'm still locally owing allegiance in that.

00:22:49.200 Tom, I'm not a legal scholar, but I feel like when I listen to Supreme Court justices, I shouldn't actively lose IQ points.

00:22:57.220 and when you assert that what loyalty means is when someone has power to arrest you

00:23:04.300 uh what like what like what what kind of just like insane amount of brain damage do you have

00:23:11.420 to take to just even offer that argument out loud at a party much less as an active supreme court

00:23:17.260 justice uh we're at theater kid levels of justice it is it is really bad um you know i imagine

00:23:26.080 Antonin Scalia is, you know, rolling over in his grave right now when you hear stuff like that.

00:23:31.440 And also, it just really does concern me because we've seen a complete deterioration and dumbing

00:23:36.760 down of even among elites. You know, I was just reading the other day how, you know, Stanford is

00:23:43.480 quietly told, right, that you told VCs and tech companies that, hey, a Stanford graduate today

00:23:49.680 isn't the same as they were 15 or 20 years ago, right? And I don't want to say it's DEI,

00:23:55.400 but it is the eye you know and everyone wants to make and of course you're being called a sexist

00:24:01.000 or a racist or both or something but look we all know that she was explicitly chosen for that

00:24:08.860 position because she was a black female and when you have that i i think you know it just further

00:24:13.860 inflames you know accusations of you know of uh race inequality and bell curves and all the rest

00:24:20.840 and it further inflames that i think it's really terrible um you know i see clarence thomas uh

00:24:25.980 every morning right we go to the same at daily mass we go to the same church i see him every

00:24:29.880 morning and super nice guy uh but one thing that's important though is is you know he's a sharp guy

00:24:36.220 and all that but he he's getting older and he clearly and i i you know i saw some people point

00:24:42.220 this out on on x that they really need to is is he needs to retire in the next couple years he

00:24:49.300 really does and he because that we have to be able to get our guys in there because if he waits

00:24:55.220 out past this term he's going to be unfortunately too old you know and i'm just being real you know

00:25:00.360 and that's just going to be really unfortunate so people don't realize and we always thought

00:25:04.560 we got really lucky with the brett cavanaugh which we did and amy comey barrett um yeah uh you know

00:25:14.060 I'm not really sure what, I don't know what else to say only that,

00:25:18.200 that it's just like, look, this is, this is really bad.

00:25:21.380 I want to get all Jacksonian about it and say, you know,

00:25:23.800 the chief justice has made a decision, let him enforce it.

00:25:26.880 But, you know, I don't know if that's in the cards right now.

00:25:31.100 Yeah. I mean, we'll, we'll get to the wider responses in a second,

00:25:35.060 but I will say, you know,

00:25:36.780 I love Clarice Thomas and I really appreciate that he like Atlas is

00:25:40.580 currently holding the entire american constitutional order aloft on his shoulders that said i really

00:25:46.760 don't you know it's it's like people who call for the constitutional convention i i get it i get it

00:25:52.260 in theory but in practice i don't think we can produce a constitution as good as the one we

00:25:57.540 already have which isn't working at the moment right i don't know that we can replace you know

00:26:03.060 him with anybody who would be worthy of it i i i am honestly really really skeptical of the trump

00:26:09.200 administration's ability to get a chief justice approved or get a justice approved to replace

00:26:14.120 clarence thomas that would be anywhere near as stalwart as clarence thomas is i'm sure they'd

00:26:19.620 be better than whoever you know a democrat would select and so in that i guess tactical sense i

00:26:24.780 agree but it would be a significant loss you can't just swap somebody into clarence thomas's place

00:26:29.660 he's basically unreplaceable i know i agree with that but at least so much you're getting somebody

00:26:35.140 who's going to vote the way you want to, right?

00:26:37.780 And also, let's be honest.

00:26:39.380 Like, look, the Supreme Court was created

00:26:41.920 and probably up until presumably 50 years ago,

00:26:44.940 maybe it was terrible back in the 1800s

00:26:47.000 and we just aren't aware of it as well.

00:26:49.060 But like, look, when you're electing a liberal judge

00:26:51.520 versus a conservative judge,

00:26:53.300 the conservative judges are going to rule

00:26:55.280 based on strict constitutionality,

00:26:57.260 legal precedents, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:27:00.100 And the liberal judges are going to vote

00:27:03.120 for what they want, right?

00:27:04.980 i mean what who is the really smart guy who said that uh the side that wants to play by the rules

00:27:11.160 will always lose to the side that wants to win was that you someone someone yeah someone wise

00:27:15.920 probably said that i mean i mean i repeat it all the time and a lot of people don't like it when i

00:27:20.340 say that you know especially my normie friends and they're kind of oh oh yeah well i mean that's

00:27:28.660 that's simply it so i don't know of a way to get somebody there we look we just have somebody who's

00:27:34.900 going to vote the right way at this point it isn't even it's hardly even a matter of their

00:27:39.580 intellect sadly it's gotten dumbed down to that point where it's like look we got to get a right

00:27:44.420 winger in there because guess what they're gonna put left wingers in there you know like you might

00:27:49.540 say what you want about amy comey barrett because she's you know moderate moderate right on most

00:27:55.980 things but you know the dems never would have put somebody like that there sure you know so they

00:28:02.040 never would have. So, I mean, unfortunately, that's the game that we're playing right now.

00:28:07.100 I mean, it sadly is. And again, you know, because generally speaking, the Republicans are beautiful

00:28:11.400 losers, right? I mean, that's kind of it. So it's a very sad state of affairs. I'm not hopeful

00:28:18.640 about this decision that comes out, I guess, in the next month or two, I suppose. And I think we

00:28:23.840 probably know how it's going to go. Hope springs eternal though. But then, you know, then the next

00:28:29.440 question they had when they had uh you know our friend theo wald uh he i saw him in an interview

00:28:33.760 on newsmax he's like we got to get serious about talking about you know a constitutional amendment

00:28:38.480 to the 14th that's a massive i mean yeah i get it we've got what 25 states that are red you know

00:28:46.800 that are have red legislatures i mean maybe we could get something going with that but i think

00:28:51.680 sadly i think things have to get a hell of a lot worse before they can get better and they're

00:28:55.600 already pretty bad i mean we're not at like united kingdom levels of bad but it's not looking great

00:29:02.000 on on that front you know so well tom i'm the black pill merchant on this show okay it's my

00:29:09.120 job to be the the the downer uh you you can't outplay me here but you have somehow uh no look

00:29:15.260 i i i'm with you you know it is a sad moment when you have to look me in the eye and say or and

00:29:21.080 realistically we can't put intelligent people on the court we just have to put people who are

00:29:25.540 vote the way we want them to on the court you're of course right you're 100 right i have no argument

00:29:30.000 there but still a little piece of me dies inside that the supreme court we just can't find nine

00:29:35.500 people who aren't absolute idiots to to sit on the court but you're you're you're absolutely right

00:29:40.580 and i i think that uh well let's let's play the second clip and then we'll get into oh there's

00:29:47.780 more oh yeah there's there's more it's i've got one more black pill for you sir just hold on tight

00:29:53.860 Okay, let's talk about its applications.

00:29:56.080 So, you know, there are some, I can imagine it being messy in some applications.

00:30:01.000 So how, what would you do with what the common law called foundlings?

00:30:05.480 You know, the thing about this is then you have to adjudicate if you're looking at parents,

00:30:09.580 and if you're looking at parents' domicile, then you have to adjudicate both residents

00:30:13.940 and intent to stay.

00:30:15.060 What if you don't know who the parents are?

00:30:16.800 I think there are marginal cases.

00:30:18.260 That one, I think, has the benefit of being addressed in 1401F where it talks about...

00:30:22.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:22.840 but what about the Constitution? Under the Constitution, it's domicile. I mean, look,

00:30:26.480 domicile is a constitutional standard in all kinds of other situations. Well, and it's hard.

00:30:31.200 Diversity, jurisdiction, personal jurisdiction. Sorry. Well, yeah, and personal jurisdiction. I

00:30:34.500 mean, 1332, diversity jurisdiction. And the thing is, it has to be litigated because it turns on

00:30:39.360 intent. And both the virtue of both you solely and you sanguinis, whichever one you pick,

00:30:45.580 it's a bright line rule. How would it work? How would you adjudicate these cases? You're not

00:30:50.380 going to know at the time of birth for some people whether they have the intent to stay or not

00:30:55.880 including including u.s citizens by the way i mean what if you have someone who is living in norway

00:31:01.600 with you know their their husband and family but is still a u.s citizen comes home and has her child

00:31:06.580 here and goes back how do we know whether the child is a u.s citizen because the parent didn't

00:31:11.180 have an intent to stay i'd say make two points one practical one so basically it's going to be hard

00:31:17.880 and we're gonna have to think about it and so that's why we can't have uh any kind of immigration

00:31:24.960 restriction like i i'm not sure what these questions are leading to like yes of course

00:31:30.920 we would have to make a case-by-case determination yes of course not everyone born in the united

00:31:36.920 states would then be a citizen that's the whole point that's literally how it works in the vast

00:31:41.800 majority of countries in the world but barrett seems to think like that's going to be some

00:31:47.920 insurmountable problem i how did she think this would work what what was what was the

00:31:53.680 conception here that we would just have this immediate understanding of exactly who was in

00:31:58.300 the country and who gets citizenship right away i i just don't understand this objection at all

00:32:03.880 yeah i i don't either it just again it's an example of showing like the extreme outlier

00:32:10.360 edge case as an exception but in my mind that proves the rule yeah right it's that except and

00:32:16.420 so of course obviously it would be you know now granted i know that i i'm sure it plays a factor

00:32:22.180 because amy kobe barry who's a very lovely lady she really is is you know but she's got adopted

00:32:28.700 kids from africa i believe right and i think that there's a very soft spot in her heart when she

00:32:36.220 looks at this when she's like don't deport the foreign children right they deserve to have homes

00:32:40.860 and not like you know i know that obviously that judges uh and justices are supposed to put all

00:32:47.760 that stuff aside but i mean i think in her case i i think that maybe she's not legally conflicted

00:32:53.880 to the point i'm not a lawyer right i didn't go to law school but maybe she's not legally

00:32:57.000 conflicted to the point where she'd have to recuse herself but she has to like keep that in mind

00:33:00.500 because I do believe that that is something that is just in her heart because, you know,

00:33:06.500 she looks at her own family and she could see like, well, what if, you know, kids like mine

00:33:10.600 are getting deported and that will cause them to do a lot of mental gymnastics. It happens all the

00:33:15.600 time and it's not unique to women. It might be a little more prevalent women, maybe call me a,

00:33:19.720 you know, a sexist or something, but I think it is. And, but it can be like that with everyone

00:33:25.340 where it's when you have your own personal situation and you think about that and you kind

00:33:30.640 of internalize that and then it can really it can really skew your view on something like this and

00:33:37.120 i know that supreme court justices are supposed to be anything but that i think it still happens

00:33:42.500 though no i think you're absolutely right and the fact that it doesn't seem to dawn on her that we

00:33:49.360 are kind of you know staring into the uh gaping law of history at this moment that like this

00:33:55.660 really is a critical moment uh you know for our civilization for the continuance of our country

00:34:01.220 is pretty worrying that's that's a very concerning thing that she's not you know seeming to take that

00:34:06.960 very seriously now as you were saying if we're in a situation where the 14th amendment is interpreted

00:34:13.720 in its current manifestation to allow for birthright citizenship and it unfortunately looks

00:34:21.000 like we might be heading down that road then our options become pretty radical right like as you

00:34:26.280 said you know the 14th amendment then at that point has to be amended or repealed i'm going for

00:34:31.200 repealed by the way the 14th amendment is an absolute disaster that radically changed the

00:34:35.240 way that the country was run but that's a much higher you know that's a heavier lift um yes the

00:34:40.500 point the point being we need a radical change in the way we understand citizenship and if it can't

00:34:46.140 be done legislatively literally because the supreme court says the 14th amendment means this

00:34:51.600 thing and you can't overrule it unless you actually change the 14th amendment then we are in some

00:34:57.300 really serious uh problem because if the biden administration can bring 8 million plus illegals

00:35:03.600 in during four years and the trump administration can deport like maybe 4 million if they're lucky

00:35:10.220 in four years then birthright citizenship just defaults to the fact that the children of these

00:35:16.700 people will get to vote and they will vote democrat at that point tom how do i have a

00:35:21.740 legitimate election ever again in my country like how do we look people in the eye and pretend that

00:35:26.260 politics elections any of this stuff is in any way constitutional in line with the founding you know

00:35:32.440 you can believe in all of that stuff but if we don't fix this then the story of american government

00:35:37.660 is going to be a punchline

00:35:39.420 and not something anyone's going to honor

00:35:41.200 as a legitimating factor.

00:35:44.220 Sadly, I do feel that it's one of those things

00:35:47.020 where it will have to get worse

00:35:48.360 before it can get better.

00:35:50.860 And I thought it was getting really bad

00:35:52.740 with 8 million, however many illegals came in

00:35:56.320 and we've got at least 20, 30,

00:35:58.740 some say 50 million people who are here illegally.

00:36:02.220 I mean, it might have to get worse

00:36:04.520 like where, look at Mike Anton,

00:36:07.380 great Claremont man, you know, he talks about, we might have to have like, you know, a red Caesar

00:36:11.020 or a blue Caesar, right? We have the, where things one way or another get so bad and, uh, that we

00:36:17.400 might have to see radical change. We might just have to see a plan mold bug or something like

00:36:21.880 that happen. And, you know, keep in mind that even other liberal countries, like for example,

00:36:26.440 um, I spent a little bit of time in Australia and I had no idea. And I think it's something

00:36:30.600 that's changed in the very recent years, but up until just like eight or two, I was out there,

00:36:35.280 what 10 12 years ago and i was there for a couple months and you know what blew me away is how strict

00:36:41.320 they are on their immigration and they're very selective of who they went in i mean they were

00:36:46.420 happy to turn boats of rohingya away like get out of here we'll you know we don't i mean get the

00:36:52.000 hell out like they turn boats away and then uh for example i had a member of my family an in-law who

00:36:58.240 he moved to Australia to take a job. This guy went to a very good school. He had an MBA. He

00:37:07.400 worked for a software company to work there for a year. He got recruited to open up an office in

00:37:12.120 Sydney. His firm had to hire an immigration lawyer and go through about six months worth

00:37:18.080 of paperwork. This guy, I mean, who was like, and you basically have to show how you are a

00:37:22.760 significant value add to this country and this guy's like you know goofy white guy from america

00:37:28.020 you know this is not a you know poor refugee or anything like that and you had to like really show

00:37:33.340 how you are adding value to the country and like legally and like and that was australia when

00:37:39.700 they're pretty liberal and some other things too and it's like if that's what the australians were

00:37:44.100 doing i mean maybe i i've heard different things in the past few years it's gotten you know yeah

00:37:48.780 They've unfortunately are now getting overwhelmed despite that policy.

00:37:53.360 I know that that's how bad it is, is even with that policy, they still are.

00:37:58.160 I'm not, you know, I'm a big, my second favorite country in the world is Singapore.

00:38:02.040 And I know you were talking about that recently with Jay Burden on his show.

00:38:06.260 And, you know, I went to graduate school in Singapore and I've got a lot of friends who are Singaporean.

00:38:10.640 And to me, it's like, oh, this is amazing of what a, you know, a right wing authoritarian country could look like where, you know, but maybe I'm just wish casting too much.

00:38:22.680 I don't think so.

00:38:24.060 You know, so, yeah, I think it's just going to have to get worse before it gets better.

00:38:29.100 I hope it doesn't.

00:38:29.980 I really don't.

00:38:31.800 But, you know, we're just going to have to wait and see.

00:38:34.580 But yet again, despite all the blackpilling, despite all the blackpilling, there are still really great things that we're getting done.

00:38:42.460 I mean, truly.

00:38:44.080 So and I'm not just saying this because I'm a, you know, a plan trusting support of the president, although I am.

00:38:49.360 But I do mean that, you know, I mean, so there are things that are getting a lot better here.

00:38:53.120 So some of the stuff we're just going to have to wait and see.

00:38:56.340 Yeah, I think that ultimately you're right, that the cycle of regimes is just going to have to complete itself.

00:39:01.460 and you know the the wheel that that turns on is caesarism so i think that ultimately you know but

00:39:07.920 but at the same time this is you know i think that's why that's what a lot of people wanted

00:39:11.840 from trump whether you know and it's kind of interesting because it you even see it played

00:39:15.620 out on the left like the left they even though trump doesn't have the power of the dictator

00:39:20.020 they need to treat him as if he has the power of the dictator right like for some reason they

00:39:24.320 they're projecting that into them and then the expectations of people on the right are that he's

00:39:28.300 a dictator and i think what that reveals and congress doesn't want to do anything because

00:39:32.120 what they want is a dictator and i think what that reveals is what everybody wants is just a

00:39:36.240 dictator like they just yeah that's the only thing that anyone really thinks is going to break

00:39:40.320 through this and it's all just kind of the dancing and the show before someone finally pulls the

00:39:45.200 trigger which is why a lot you know a lot of people looked at jan 6 and we're like well you

00:39:50.760 know what do you expect yeah don't don't don't fish in the rubicon baby like let's get across

00:39:57.460 it or or don't mess around stop you know stop tap dancing and that's why i said it would be better

00:40:02.120 if the trump administration would just say look we want to do these things and we don't have the

00:40:06.420 power to do them but we could have the power to do them there is a way there is a way forward but

00:40:11.600 but we don't have the power to do it now you know you know and the left did have their dictator they

00:40:16.200 had fdr that's right you know and and i mean that guy just steamrolled congress and people were

00:40:22.960 happy with it for the most part i mean people well i take that back i mean there were a lot of people

00:40:27.560 weren't happy with it but it was it was something at the very least he was doing something and he

00:40:33.840 was creating change and he was being effective you might not like it but he was being really

00:40:38.800 effective and i think one of the biggest things it comes down to is and this probably will segue

00:40:43.820 well when we start talking about the uran stuff is winners win right like everybody loves americans

00:40:49.280 love a winner. And when you win at things, even if it's something that not everyone's thrilled

00:40:53.440 about, it just helps. So yeah, I don't know what's going to happen. I'll be honest. I wish I had some

00:41:00.440 crystal ball, but I would not be expecting any crazy radical change to happen. But it is

00:41:07.400 dramatically better than in the first term and in the first Trump term. And I think, you know,

00:41:14.760 let's just wait and see what happens i i think the biggest thing that people can do honestly is

00:41:19.320 just make sure we win we win in the midterms and that's not necessarily just writing a check because

00:41:24.100 sometimes i hate getting all the stupid text messages too right you know newt gingrich texted

00:41:29.240 me this morning i don't know about you but you know i get all these crazy texts my friend i need

00:41:33.100 your help because you know you you give money to a couple of candidates the next thing i'm on some

00:41:36.780 database and i get like literally 30 text messages a day but i think it really is not just if you

00:41:42.760 can't give money, but also just to like actually knock on doors. And even if you think your

00:41:47.760 senator or congressman or candidate is total milquetoast, maybe they are. It's not about that.

00:41:54.560 You just got to get the seat. And I mean, that is something I think where a lot of the libertarians

00:41:59.400 that you were talking about with Jay Burton the other day is a big part of that because it's like,

00:42:03.800 well, it's not perfect. It's not exactly what I want. It's like, guys, don't let great be the

00:42:08.240 enemy of good, right? There's a certain amount of pragmatism that a lot of folks who watch politics

00:42:17.020 from the outside don't really understand that the people on the inside have to deal with.

00:42:21.780 And that's just what our system is. Yes, it's devolved. Yes, it has degenerated. And maybe

00:42:27.180 it's going to get a hell of a lot worse. And then maybe we're going to see a big change. But there

00:42:30.540 could be a lot of really bad upheaval with that too, that nobody really wants. I don't know, man.

00:42:35.440 like uh i think the right move is like we just got to win in the midterms that's the best way

00:42:40.400 to get it i mean it really is the best way to preserve all this is to keep the house and keep

00:42:46.260 the senate i mean right now it's like they're really worried about the house and fair enough

00:42:49.900 and maybe even worried about the senate so we're you know because we know look as soon as if the

00:42:55.520 republicans take this or the dems take the senate it's like filibuster's gone um you know i i just

00:43:01.160 wish we would actually use power because the Republicans, the cocaine conservatives and

00:43:07.440 heroin liberals argument is extremely true, where it's like the Republicans are really good at

00:43:13.360 getting everyone stirred up. We got to stop the liberal left and the extreme left wing and the

00:43:18.680 far leftists and all this. They're really good at stirring up the pot, raising money,

00:43:23.340 getting people excited about it. But once it comes time to actually govern, they're often,

00:43:28.880 i'm really talking about congress here they're often left much is left to be desired to put it

00:43:34.920 mildly yeah well and that's the huge issue like i totally agree with you that obviously losing the

00:43:41.860 midterms is terrible you want to preserve at least what you've gained at this point whether you feel

00:43:46.680 the trump administration has done enough or not it's clearly a better option than the left and

00:43:50.940 will only be hampered by the entrance of the democrats into control of any part of the

00:43:55.400 government that said tom there's only so many times we can tell people look we know congress

00:44:01.060 isn't going to do anything but you should just vote for the gop anyway in case congress decides

00:44:05.760 to do something and then there'll be some gop people in there and there's also the huge problem

00:44:09.960 and look this you know we're gonna get into this now so let's let's get into it yeah but you know

00:44:15.260 if we gave one crap about the midterms starting a war a deeply unpopular war and driving up gas

00:44:23.140 prices by a couple dollars right before the midterm is pretty much the worst possible move

00:44:30.900 you could make politically. Now, maybe it had to be done militarily, but I'm really skeptical about

00:44:37.100 that too. And I think a lot of people are. And so a lot of people are saying, well, then if the

00:44:42.420 Republican party and Donald Trump didn't care about the midterms, why should I care? Like if

00:44:47.100 they couldn't hold themselves off for nine months to start this war it's not like the Iranians were

00:44:53.900 gonna have a nuke in nine months that's not like they were gonna be firing things into you know

00:44:59.500 New York City in nine months if they can't hold off nine months to like secure this essential

00:45:06.660 you know election then what should I be doing now as we said you know the the chief of staff

00:45:13.120 of the army has just been fired. Multiple generals have been fired. You probably assume that some of

00:45:19.040 that has to do with the fact that things have not been going as we would hope. We're obviously going

00:45:24.040 to militarily defeat Iran. I have full faith in the American military to do amazing things. They

00:45:30.820 proved that in Venezuela. Obviously, we have a service full of completely competent operators

00:45:36.060 who are going to get things done. But it's very clear that, once again, despite the ability of

00:45:41.140 the american military we have not factored in the political cost that is required because wars as

00:45:47.600 you probably very well are aware are not fought just on the battlefield especially now today it's

00:45:53.880 about the will of the american people the iranians know that their greatest weapon in this war is not

00:45:59.340 machine guns it's not nukes it's it's the american economy they understand that their their greatest

00:46:05.840 weapon against the trump administration and the american military is the american economy and if

00:46:10.740 they can make americans bleed in the pocketbook then eventually we will lose resolve on the

00:46:16.400 battlefield and then it doesn't matter how good our troops are because ultimately that's not the

00:46:21.120 deciding factor for what's happening there so i guess my question is when we know the political

00:46:26.760 ramifications and we know how critical the midterms are what are we doing in iran tom help me out

00:46:32.380 so i was uh in the run-up to this i had a lot of doubts and reservations about us going into this

00:46:39.880 for all the same reasons you have.

00:46:42.300 And look, I don't like hate Israel or anything like that.

00:46:47.840 I've been to Israel a few times.

00:46:49.960 I have a few friends who live in Israel.

00:46:53.020 I even worked for an Israeli company, actually.

00:46:56.060 My first job out of the military,

00:46:57.420 I worked for an Israeli defense contractor

00:46:59.020 because they make some really good tech

00:47:00.360 that I didn't even know.

00:47:01.100 That's going to help you in the comments later on, by the way.

00:47:03.100 Oh, I know. I know. It's over.

00:47:06.100 I know.

00:47:07.800 Yeah. And then also, I know it sounds really bad.

00:47:09.700 And I was about to mention as well that I do a couple of media appearances

00:47:13.160 like this. And I've been on Fox a few times.

00:47:15.260 I think I'm going on later today or tonight.

00:47:17.340 And I got asked by Mark Levin of all people and who I am not a fan of.

00:47:23.580 I'm like, his producers reached out and I said,

00:47:25.760 have you guys looked at my Twitter? You guys clearly haven't.

00:47:28.880 And I am not a fan. And so, but I went on his show on his weekend show.

00:47:32.900 And I told him as much. I said, Hey, look,

00:47:34.900 I wasn't a fan of this operation at all.

00:47:36.860 um but the thing is i think there's a very american perspective to look at this and yes i do believe

00:47:43.700 that israel does have a uh inappropriately large amount of influence over uh over our government

00:47:52.200 and especially over congress right uh look at israel as another foreign country the same way

00:47:58.420 we look at italy or france or spain like i don't hate them or anything like that they got their

00:48:03.180 interests and all that but here's one thing that i think a lot of folks who are kind of and it's

00:48:07.300 kind of a long if you'll allow me is one i think that if if uh you if someone believes that hey

00:48:14.460 it's it's nothing but benjamin netanyahu like whispering you know into trump's ear and telling

00:48:19.660 him what do we got to do this and it's only the pro israel israel folks like look you're kind of

00:48:24.140 taking agency away from donald trump because like that guy thinks what he thinks and uh i don't

00:48:30.020 think he's going to allow himself to get pushed around by people he makes up his own mind on a

00:48:34.940 lot of things and remember he goes back 10 years 10 15 years saying like i bombed the shit out of

00:48:40.420 him am i allowed to say shit sorry you are all right sorry you know and but also he gets but he

00:48:46.220 gets pissed off you know and remember back last summer we like they don't know what the fuck

00:48:51.080 they're doing because he's pissed off at the israelis yeah and look at the end of the day

00:48:55.180 like you know everyone thinks that israel is holding us by the short hairs i think we've

00:48:59.520 got israel by the short hairs uh okay so all that aside right like look there is a real case for

00:49:06.380 from the strictly american point of view even if you take israel out of it right and that is is

00:49:12.240 like look i do believe that like we cannot let israel get a nuclear weapon was israel gonna get

00:49:17.920 a nuclear well right right we're not gonna let them get nuclear weapon but we say it's too late

00:49:21.920 but the thing is is like i do believe it and the thing is i talk to folks who are in the game and

00:49:26.260 it's like they were at that point where they're building up so much conventional that they could

00:49:30.220 defend against that and further here's the deal if we have an Iran with a nuclear weapon with a

00:49:37.320 long-range strike capability which they've already shown they have because they fired some medium

00:49:42.200 range missiles to Diego Garcia who that what they said they didn't have then the issue though is

00:49:47.640 because all these authoritarian dictatorships look at nuclear weapons as their insurance policy

00:49:52.900 because then they can start doing whatever they want. Here's another example, right? North Korea.

00:49:57.680 North Korea is, you know, like nobody messes with them because they deliberately very wisely say,

00:50:03.520 you could call the North Korean, the Kim family, crazy. They're not stupid. I look at them more

00:50:09.040 as like an organized crime family, right? They're like a mafia family that runs that. And they want,

00:50:13.780 and having spent a lot of time in Korea, having written part of the Korean, what we call operation

00:50:20.560 plans, the war plans for if we go to war with North Korea, that is their ace in the hole because

00:50:25.560 they know that nobody will ever screw with them at all because the risk of having nuclear weapons,

00:50:30.480 right? So all of these smaller mid-range countries want to get nuclear weapons because they know it

00:50:37.160 will be, it's cheaper than a standing army, believe it or not. It's hard to have, but also

00:50:41.840 it is an absolute insurance policy against anyone else. Further, when another authoritarian

00:50:47.840 dictator that we don't like, Muammar Gaddafi, when he was working on a program and he saw the

00:50:55.120 writing on the wall and he willingly went to the UN and everybody and he said, hey, I'm going to

00:51:00.080 give it up. I'm going to give it up. And I said this on Mark Levin, by the way, and all this I

00:51:04.900 said on his show is afterwards, and what happened to him? He got sodomized with a bayonet on the

00:51:11.320 hood of a pickup truck. That's what happened to him. So, okay, so that's putting yourself in the

00:51:17.260 Iranians, you know, like you got to have what we call tactical empathy as in put, doesn't mean

00:51:22.100 sympathy. It just means you got to be able to put yourself in your enemy's shoes. What would I do

00:51:26.060 if I were them? They're doing every, like if I were the Iranians, uh, I did just about everything.

00:51:31.520 I, we got to stall, play the game, eventually get a nuclear weapon that we can get small enough that

00:51:36.680 we can mount it on a missile. And that way we can do that. What makes Iran different from North

00:51:41.060 Korea that just wants to be left alone and just have their own little prison kingdom, right? What

00:51:46.840 they, what they want is like, they've openly expressed hostility towards, you know, towards

00:51:51.800 Israel said they want to nuke them. And even if they don't nuke them, there is, they're holding

00:51:56.820 that threat of that overhead that makes it very difficult for the Israelis for anyone, you know,

00:52:01.660 to, to actually attack them and including the Gulf States. So it's like, quite frankly, we're

00:52:07.280 taking a lot more influence from the Gulf States than we are from the Israelis. So, you know, now

00:52:12.580 granted, after I went on Mark Levin, I went to a little reception with a bunch of the guys from

00:52:16.560 new founding. And a lot of fellow right-winger guys were all there. And I'm like, yeah, I just

00:52:20.500 did Mark Levin's show. And they're like, holy shit. And so I was being referred to as Levin's

00:52:25.520 top goy, which I thought was kind of funny. And so I don't know if I'm allowed to say that, but

00:52:30.580 the thing is, man, but it's just like, look, there really is an American case. So I had a lot of

00:52:35.380 doubts and reservations. However, okay. With all that said, we're actually doing really, really

00:52:41.860 well to give you an idea within the first like week or so we took out like 7 000 targets which

00:52:49.020 is insane right go back to desert storm one of my buddies uh who i work with stuff like that he uh

00:52:57.000 he was one of these older guy he flew the first missions in desert storm flew an a6 intruder

00:53:01.780 badass plane anyways they did like 300 in the first week and all these are precision munitions

00:53:08.840 right so i mean it's it's actually pretty impressive we've totally screwed them up like

00:53:13.460 they don't have a navy yeah could they get a few pot shots with some missiles and a few drones here

00:53:18.980 and there and then somehow they shot down like one of our planes you know we've we've lost more

00:53:24.020 aircraft to friendly fire from the freaking kuwaitis and you know and one of our own planes

00:53:29.200 that crashed you know outside of combat that we have to to the iranians we're kicking the shit

00:53:34.400 out of them. Like we really are. And then we're taking away any of their offensive capability.

00:53:39.160 We're killing anybody who tries to say anything that we don't like. I think we actually are going

00:53:44.480 to get a deal. So I believe that Trump, and go back to the political implications, right?

00:53:50.380 Winners win. I believe that in the next 30 days, maybe less, and look, and you can go back to the

00:53:55.980 tape and maybe I'll eat my words, but I don't think I will, is that we're going to wrap this

00:54:00.200 thing up, you know, for the most part, I think you're going to see gas prices normalize. And

00:54:05.900 then also it's like, look, we got to start handing off responsibility because this is part of what

00:54:10.060 our real pivot to the Pacific needs to be from a foreign policy standpoint. The Undersecretary of

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00:55:00.200 Oh, we might have lost Tom again there. His connection's been a little spotty. Give him a second. If not, I'll talk a little bit about what he was discussing there. I certainly want to answer some of his comments directly. But obviously, if he's disconnected, I'll have to hopefully retread some of that when he comes back.

00:55:19.820 so a few things that i want to discuss about what he was saying there the first is you know the idea

00:55:27.980 that trump uh is his own guy and he makes his own decisions and he's not going to be pressured into

00:55:32.700 this stuff i've heard this a lot and i think you know often the the kind of counter oh there's tom

00:55:39.020 you're back i am so sorry man i just so you know the low it wasn't my regular wi-fi it's actually

00:55:44.640 our entire network in our neighborhood has been coming up

00:55:49.820 so i'm not that i'm not dc internet is not what you're hoping for there

00:55:55.660 yeah uh yeah you're you're just uh cutting up a little bit hopefully

00:56:00.240 let's see if the connection here will hold on

00:56:05.660 can you hear me okay

00:56:12.880 all right well like i was saying uh one of the things i'm concerned about when it comes to the

00:56:24.680 idea that trump is just going to make these decisions on his own is that obviously trump

00:56:30.780 has been highly influenced by advisors previously and this is a good thing oh do we got it back

00:56:36.480 i'm really sorry man i had to go on my phone's hot spot can you hear me now

00:56:41.920 yes i can hear you now you seem to be clearing up a little bit it's yeah never good when your

00:56:46.680 cell phone wi-fi is better than your house wi-fi but we'll now it is i know it's the local internet

00:56:52.080 has been canceling on us and it's like not can't but it's like it's like it's not my home wi-fi

00:56:56.580 it's like the it's the cox cable which i'm about to leave now i'm gonna get a starlink

00:57:00.700 finally i'm just gonna get a star link so well like i was saying like i was saying to uh the

00:57:07.200 audience before you cut out there uh just just to kind of you know come back and discuss some

00:57:11.420 of the points you were you were going over when you say that you know trump is his own man and

00:57:15.780 he's not going to be over influenced by others i mean this is the guy who put anthony fauci in

00:57:20.840 charge of the country right like so i love donald trump he's he's done a lot of great things and

00:57:26.260 i've heard this line of reasoning before but i think it's more of like a gut check of like of

00:57:30.960 course trump wouldn't get you know manipulated like we've seen him get manipulated before of

00:57:35.400 course he wouldn't shut down the whole country like we saw him kind of actually i think he would

00:57:39.640 like this is kind of a good thing about donald trump a lot of times he'll listen to very smart

00:57:42.860 people when he's listening to steven miller or jd vance i'm very excited that he's listening to

00:57:47.080 counsel uh but when he's surrounded by a bunch of neocons um i i don't know i don't know if the

00:57:52.660 well donald trump has makes his own decisions thing really holds up you know what i'm saying

00:57:55.920 like i think it actually matters who's in the room with donald trump and he can make very great

00:58:00.220 decisions when he gets the right advice but he needs you know that circle around him and that's

00:58:04.400 what many people have you know when when joe kent stepped down that's what he said it's like look a

00:58:09.240 lot of people are cut out of the room it was hard to get access it's hard for him to hear other

00:58:13.100 voices and so that's my concern it's not like donald trump is incapable of making great decisions

00:58:18.260 obviously he has made great decisions but he is obviously very swayed by advisors we've seen that

00:58:23.000 play out over and over again and point well taken i think there are plenty of cases where that and

00:58:28.460 sorry but one thing i was i was getting to before the elders of zion cut my internet connection i

00:58:33.460 joking guys is uh no but one of the things as well is that uh i think we're the intention is

00:58:42.340 to wrap this up right and then we're in a much better situation and then finally thanks to guys

00:58:46.800 like bridge colby we can actually pivot to the pacific because i think that's the real enduring

00:58:51.260 policy or foreign policy issue we have to deal with but we had to deal with that knock it out

00:58:55.900 right away hopefully that you know take care very quickly i think you're going to see gas prices

00:59:00.840 normalize and then we can pivot to the pacific and largely you know are and not completely but

00:59:06.200 like pull out of the middle east for the most part and stop making it the foreign policy concern

00:59:10.120 because look it's like you know the idea is to have look let the middle east run itself and let

00:59:15.460 the saudis be and because they're working with the israelis now a little bit let the saudis

00:59:19.500 everyone else, let the Gulf states cooperate to run the Middle East, you know, let Europe worry

00:59:24.320 about Ukraine, but we need to worry about China. And that's like, you know, Bridge Colby's entire

00:59:29.020 thesis is China is the only game in town for the United States. And no, we cannot walk and chew gum

00:59:34.600 at the same time. That's what we have to worry about. So I hope that, you know, Christmas will

00:59:39.800 come early for Bridge Colby, and he can actually start working on a lot of those issues. But I

00:59:44.980 think that is the goal. Here's one question that I don't know the answer to, and I probably should

00:59:49.400 of like investigated this before coming on here, is everyone says, well, oil is a global commodity.

00:59:56.160 Okay, sure. I can understand that. But if we are the largest oil producer in the world,

01:00:03.100 in the United States, and also we're getting a ton of oil from Venezuela now because they're

01:00:07.080 our best friends. Now that we have that, I understand why American gas prices can't come

01:00:12.800 down more. I just don't. Maybe that's my, I took a macroeconomics course. I was kind of hung over

01:00:18.060 through a lot of it i'm not really sure but you know i i i i'm that's one question that i have

01:00:23.400 that probably somebody in the comments uh can can tell me where where i'm jacked up but um yeah i

01:00:30.440 think that's why we're continuing to see the supply be fine in america right like you're actually

01:00:35.140 getting gas shortages in places in europe in the you know the where the supply is actually getting

01:00:40.540 cut off so i think that's why we're continuing to see the flow of oil but the prices will still

01:00:46.180 be higher because it's a global commodity so we will continue to have full access due to the amount

01:00:50.880 we produce and our neighbors produce so that will be the upside is we are not getting hit as hard as

01:00:56.640 a place like europe or probably australia you know these other areas that might be fed more by those

01:01:01.800 uh you know those outlets that are connected to the strait of hormuz uh but we will still feel

01:01:06.700 the pain because you know it's it it doesn't really matter uh again because it's a global

01:01:11.540 commodity the price still gets jacked up even though the supply continues to flow that would

01:01:16.620 be i'm not an econ major either but yeah but here's something to think about but here's something to

01:01:21.620 think about if that's the case right and why why is it a good idea to allow a country like iran

01:01:29.120 nuclear armed to control that such a big portion of the global economy right like that's like not

01:01:37.700 a great move i i you know so that's that's one thing where it's like okay if they are even

01:01:42.800 stronger and more able to defend themselves selves especially with nuclear weapons then

01:01:49.180 what does that say that they're like maybe that's just a sad state of affairs that we need

01:01:53.300 we can't really stand and it might be painful and maybe it's the right thing to do so um you know

01:01:59.080 i'm i'm i look forward to reading the comments but i mean it's just one of those things where

01:02:03.460 it's like I don't think that it's necessarily that it's like the Israelis who are you know

01:02:08.680 being the puppet masters behind everything I think that even though they do have outside

01:02:13.280 influence over our foreign policy which I wish they didn't I really do um you know those two

01:02:18.300 things can be true at the same time maybe that it's like hey this could it could be the right

01:02:23.060 thing to do and also the Israelis need to chill you know well that's that's my so Tom that's my

01:02:30.280 ultimate inclination right it's not that i don't understand there being some military interest for

01:02:36.880 the united states in a non-nuclear iran like i totally get why we want that right that is not my

01:02:44.460 issue though whether or not we had to go in direct military conflict to resolve that problem is is a

01:02:49.800 wider question my main concern and the one that like marco rubio made very clear is that israel

01:02:57.120 is dictating our timeline on this so this was my from the beginning when i started hearing the

01:03:02.580 explanation as to why we're going to a war with iran it wasn't we need to cut off access to oil

01:03:07.880 to china it wasn't because ultimately we're worried about you know this or this thing that

01:03:12.800 impacts the united states the answer was iran is a major sponsor of terror uh they're looking for

01:03:18.880 freedom the iranian people will greet us as liberators uh you know the the like all the

01:03:24.580 neocon talking points and i was like why is this administration that has never talked to me like

01:03:29.820 this suddenly talking to me like this and once marco rubia comes out and says well it's because

01:03:35.280 israel was gonna go and we had to go too then it's like oh this makes sense maybe this something was

01:03:40.820 we were gonna do but it didn't make sense to do it now and the only reason we're doing it now is

01:03:46.540 because of israel's influence that doesn't mean that israel runs the entire united states but i

01:03:51.140 don't want to be lashed to any ally that then tells me when to go to war tom like we're the

01:03:56.760 united states we tell you to get in the back seat and we'll slap you around a little bit if we hear

01:04:02.280 your mouth off again like that's how you respond to israel putting pressure on you being the actual

01:04:08.220 people who are doing the fighting because israel's made it clear they're not putting boots on the

01:04:11.940 ground okay that's not happening they're busy fighting in lebanon and in and in like five other

01:04:17.900 areas they have they have they don't have the military to do this plus we just lost an f-15

01:04:23.140 we just lost an a-10 today like it's very clear that we are constantly in the scenario where

01:04:30.020 we're going to win again i have full confidence we're going to militarily dominate iran but they

01:04:36.060 didn't have the straight closed until we did this and now they have you know uh you know i'm not

01:04:42.400 going to nerd out too hard on you but it's basically the the scenario in dune where paul

01:04:47.280 atreides is going to blow up all the spice you don't have power because you have the superior

01:04:53.140 military you have power because you have control of the flow of energy right and i don't think that

01:04:58.420 changes in the next 30 days unfortunately i think iran can produce enough drones and fire enough

01:05:04.300 missiles to and put enough mines in the strait to control it for a long time and that means we're

01:05:10.980 probably going to be there for many months after even if we make a deal with a government

01:05:15.420 theoretically somewhere we haven't blown up like we are probably still going to have a military

01:05:19.860 deployment permanently in the strait of harmuz to make sure that we can keep oil flowing and again

01:05:25.360 i just don't think this is going to be a popular thing for the midterms if you wait until after

01:05:29.680 the midterms i could understand this move more i think it's pre-midterm timeline is almost entirely

01:05:35.800 dictated by the fact that a tiny country gets to determine when we go to war and i'm just not a fan

01:05:40.840 of that though i agree that those comments by uh secretary rubio were regrettable i agree um you

01:05:47.400 know and so but also one thing to keep in mind i i'm not sure if i agree that uh they'll still be

01:05:52.840 firing drones and missiles left and right also one thing worth pointing out and this thing that

01:05:56.360 i have very detailed knowledge on we as of today to my knowledge actually i'm almost certain we

01:06:03.640 have not found one mine not one there's reports of the mine going out is not a single ship i mean i

01:06:11.720 hope i get skewed in the comments but i've been looking not a single ship and also like my job

01:06:15.400 as a former navy eod officer we're the ones that clear mines right right my little brother is still

01:06:20.520 an eod officer he was the operations officer for the middle east task force in charge of clearing

01:06:25.800 the strait right several years ago and like there's guys who are there right now there's a

01:06:30.360 a couple of things about that but first off i do know that we have been searching quietly we have

01:06:35.200 ways to search without putting our minds in the water and all that we have ways to do that and

01:06:39.960 we have yet to find one and also there's yet to be a ship struck by a mine most likely that's

01:06:45.220 because we got left of splash as we call it where basically we took out all their mine lane

01:06:50.200 capabilities because in order to mine something effectively you got to lay a lot of mines and

01:06:54.280 even though it's a very narrow straight it's still a big body of the water and you got to lay a ton

01:06:58.620 of mines so no mines have been found as of yet maybe one could be they call it indiscriminate

01:07:04.160 mining it's where basically it's like hey there might be one here one there but the thing is

01:07:07.740 though i think the drones are actually could be a bigger threat than mines right now but also it's

01:07:12.980 like i think we are going to be able to take out the vast majority of the of uh their missiles and

01:07:18.800 their drone capabilities but it also just comes down to perception because the underwriters don't

01:07:24.600 want to, like the Lloyds of London, for example, don't want to ensure some of those ships. It's

01:07:31.640 becoming an issue now. Now, we had a solution to that that helped a little bit. We got the

01:07:35.840 Development Finance Corporation, which is a bank, essentially, that we have. We had them do some

01:07:41.120 underwriting. Now, but I think, again, this plays into Trump's larger, grand global strategy,

01:07:46.900 right where it's like hey middle east europe asia when he said come get your oil come get your oil

01:07:55.280 right because we're pretty secure in what we have uh and also where it's like hey we're knocking

01:08:00.520 off a couple of dictators here and there i think cuba is next i don't think it's without any shots

01:08:05.420 fired it's probably going to happen and we're kind of realigning the world order which in general

01:08:10.160 i'm really happy with timing and execution matters right maybe some factors happen that wasn't

01:08:15.620 exactly what you want to do it and hey there's consequences this is a high stakes game this is

01:08:19.540 the highest stakes game so yeah um yeah but i'm not i'm not fully convinced i i think we actually

01:08:24.780 could have all those threats eliminated now and then hey europe time to get go get your oil i

01:08:30.920 think that's something that they that they got to do and i think we're actually realigning

01:08:34.160 you know the global order and i think that is overall a really good thing uh maybe i'm just the

01:08:39.880 the classic plan truster so i am actually so yeah hey i i certainly hope you're right like i i you

01:08:47.400 know as i've said from the beginning i want to be wrong about all of this i want you know i the

01:08:52.000 greatest thing in the world i could hear is in two weeks donald trump says we got a deal we're

01:08:56.340 wrapping it up we're going home oh it looks like we don't have to mess around in the middle east

01:09:00.300 anymore uh you know europe's going to take a more muscular stance to protect itself and have

01:09:05.100 influence in this area we can hand things off and you know take care of more things domestically and

01:09:09.640 that was the plan along i would absolutely love that to be true man i really hope you're right

01:09:14.080 about that i'm a little skeptical not gonna not gonna lie to you but i i certainly you know you

01:09:19.000 have more more knowledge when it comes to you know naval ordinance uh removal than i do so by all

01:09:24.380 means i i certainly hope that uh your analysis is 100 correct there uh we do have some uh questions

01:09:31.560 coming up from the audience here oh man here it comes yeah yeah yeah if if if they call you an

01:09:37.640 ugly meanie face i'll make sure to screen that one out they can call me ugly i've had worse

01:09:41.900 things said to me by better people it's okay so all right well before we go to the questions of

01:09:47.540 the people sir where can people find you if they want to follow your work get your opinions

01:09:51.180 uh yeah i you know i am my drug of choice is twitter x so at thomas b sour uh i don't have

01:09:59.860 a sub stack or a podcast or a book to shill um i'm here in the dc area i uh do a little bit of

01:10:06.120 government you know a little bit of consulting to help some companies out you know when they're

01:10:10.460 trying to get into into the admin I as far as like doing business with them and whatnot I just

01:10:15.900 a small one-man shop I just kind of help some of those companies have some really good ones too

01:10:19.320 so I do a little bit of that but that's kind of more word of mouth but yeah just find me on

01:10:24.820 Twitter that's it and buy orange book there you go wise man wise man also you know apparently

01:10:31.180 he's now a fixture on Fox News so you can yeah I got a phone in I'm so I'm supposed to phone

01:10:36.080 into the five and my mom is losing her mind she's so excited it's catnip for boomers for the boomer

01:10:43.940 cons i love it it'll be great and then yeah i'm doing a bunch of stuff on uh i'm on laura ingram

01:10:48.880 a lot and it's interesting to see because i get to see like the inside like you know you're in

01:10:52.440 the green room you meet the folks you see the studio everyone at fox is super nice i mean

01:10:57.080 they're really great um it is a really interesting to see um i do enjoy it i wish they'd start

01:11:02.040 paying me but i don't think they are maybe they will eventually we'll see what happens

01:11:05.820 you're getting you're getting paid an exposure tom that's you know that's the most valuable

01:11:09.820 no i know i'm right about yeah my mom and all of her friends are just like i get excited

01:11:15.320 they get really excited so it's great so the first time uh jesse waters read one of my tweets

01:11:21.280 on fox my mom like i just immediately get pictures you know my you know my parents are freaking out

01:11:26.620 you know it doesn't matter if you've been on you know all this other stuff until you've been on

01:11:32.460 fox news you just don't have a career you know so once once that happened that was a that was

01:11:36.900 which is silly because honestly man it's it shows like yours that are so and i'm not just saying

01:11:42.120 this just to gas you up but i am gassing you up is like shows like yours are so much more

01:11:46.800 interesting and uh i really enjoy it i mean i honestly i i really pay attention to the shows

01:11:52.980 I always make sure I watch is you uh Jay Burden uh and John Doyle he's great I love he's hilarious

01:11:59.920 and also for some reason my baby daughter absolutely loves I'll put him on tv and she

01:12:05.180 just watches him just stared and she doesn't do that with anyone else she loves John Doyle it's

01:12:10.560 wild but but yeah those shows are so much better I really do enjoy them and then of course I have

01:12:15.120 to make a plug for uh my my dear friend Jack Posobiec I love going on his show a lot he he

01:12:20.600 was my navy intel guy back in the day i don't know if you knew that yeah i heard you're you're in

01:12:24.580 you're in charge of him at some point right hey he was just one of the intel weenies i don't want

01:12:29.840 to say i was in charge of him but now i go on his show and he tells me what to do so you know that's

01:12:34.220 right it's fine yeah he's a great guy love him and his family they're awesome all right well let's

01:12:38.800 head to the questions of the people here real quick wild speaker says my preferred picks for ag

01:12:43.700 are judge dread frank castle cato the elder and steven miller you know that's a dream supreme

01:12:50.200 court too we could uh put we could put that one together steven miller i i would love that um

01:12:55.680 yeah i'm friends with one of his staffers and he is a really really good man him and his wife

01:13:00.840 they're good they're really good people and they don't deserve uh all the hate that they get i mean

01:13:06.140 the threats i mean they had to move them onto base that they put they put them in the general's house

01:13:09.320 which is nice but like they you know they have to live on base now it's insane no just defend

01:13:14.460 steven miller at all costs to be clear 100 uh well weirdy curb says i agree with tom you're one of

01:13:20.860 the best in the business or in lots of guys who just scream into their echo chamber you don't

01:13:25.140 keep it up brother well thank you very much man i appreciate it we do our best look there's going

01:13:28.920 to be people come on here i had tom woods on a few days ago you know it's passionately anti-war

01:13:35.260 you know awesome we're gonna have tom on and then uh you know uh tom uh you know sour comes on and

01:13:40.080 he's got you know some some ways in which the iran war might ultimately be beneficial to the

01:13:44.760 united states we're gonna hear everybody okay that you know as long as someone has an interesting

01:13:49.100 uh opinion has you know a good way to deliver something that's thoughtful we're gonna have

01:13:54.260 that conversation you're gonna see those meetings of the mind here and i hope everybody eventually

01:13:58.660 appreciates that i know everyone's not gonna agree with each person i have on and that's okay if you

01:14:02.720 did i would be doing something wrong right when coalition says nice duo well thank you very much

01:14:08.240 sure appreciate that uh elijah timon says for the progressive leftist trying to rebuild egalitarian

01:14:15.140 heaven on earth words do not have meaning they have purpose yes they are instruments to achieve

01:14:21.520 a goal they are not ways to communicate any shared understanding or negotiate any kind of compromise

01:14:27.480 that was uh richard weaver his book i read that in college uh ideas have consequences yeah you

01:14:34.020 one of the og conservative you know right-wing writers and uh yeah i i read that the naval

01:14:39.500 academy i was surprised they let us read that i had a very base i had a very based uh active duty

01:14:45.060 navy officer professor and he had us read that but which is good i mean like ideas have consequences

01:14:49.700 that's why you know words have purpose for them and it's true we don't we don't realize that yet

01:14:54.480 yep uh zhzh i'm not sure how we would pronounce that uh we might as well vote for democrats or

01:15:02.520 stay home for the midterms. Trump can veto whatever a Democrat controlled Congress passes.

01:15:08.020 I mean, I don't think that's true. Look, I understand the strategy here. You know,

01:15:13.040 you saw the UK and they did the no seats things to the conservative party to punish them for the

01:15:18.240 betrayal they had there. I get the impulse to do that here. The only difference is we don't have

01:15:23.420 the opportunity to raise up a Rupert Lowe. Like you have to get your work done inside the Republican

01:15:28.260 Party in some way or fashion in the United States. That's just going to be the vehicle.

01:15:32.840 Now, we need to take over the Republican Party. We need to have guys at the bottom building their

01:15:37.420 way up. We need to start taking regional control. We need to start pushing for people who are going

01:15:41.620 to be radically better in these positions. We essentially need to skin suit the Republican

01:15:45.760 Party, but it's going to be the Republican Party. It's not going to be the Democrats.

01:15:50.020 Can I make a plug on that one as well? So when you talk about folks who need to get in the

01:15:53.420 government, right, there is an organization that you might be aware of that I am a huge supporter

01:15:57.680 of both financially and just spiritually. It's called American Moment. Are you familiar with

01:16:02.660 American Moment? Yes. Nick Solheim. Yeah. Okay. So I would say this, if there's young folks out

01:16:07.660 there who are sharp and hungry, you don't have to have gone to a good school. That's deliberately

01:16:12.880 who they seek out are folks who didn't necessarily go to Princeton or Stanford or Berkeley or

01:16:19.400 whatever. And they seek out top talent and they put them in a fellowship and then they place them

01:16:24.960 in key jobs in the admin.

01:16:28.360 You can be in your 20s

01:16:29.320 or they put them on the Hill.

01:16:31.040 They are absolutely phenomenal.

01:16:33.280 I mean, they're,

01:16:34.200 and so like my wife and I,

01:16:36.000 we sponsored a couple of fellows, right?

01:16:37.620 We pay for their fellowship and all that.

01:16:39.400 And one of them,

01:16:40.220 and we're friends with them now.

01:16:41.220 I mean, one of them then within weeks,

01:16:43.500 he was on the vice president staff.

01:16:45.920 And then now just,

01:16:47.040 I found it's a week ago,

01:16:47.880 he's on the security council.

01:16:49.840 And this guy's like in his late 20s.

01:16:52.420 So there are folks in their early, mid, late 20s.

01:16:54.160 So I'll tell you,

01:16:54.540 So any of those listeners out there right now, please go take a look at AmericanMoment.org.

01:16:59.340 Look at their programs.

01:17:00.700 Look what they have.

01:17:01.900 And if you're someone, if you're a young person, or even if you're not that young,

01:17:04.800 and you are actually looking to get involved, their biggest number one priority is alignment

01:17:09.700 with America First values.

01:17:11.560 I mean, they're a little more right than even the president, but they're staunch reporters

01:17:15.380 of the president and especially J.D. Vance as well.

01:17:19.120 So, I mean, it was started, it was inspired by J.D.

01:17:22.440 So everyone out there, please, if you're looking to actually get involved, you want to do something

01:17:25.840 and actually start a real career in the right way and get started, look at American Moment.

01:17:31.220 So Nick Solheim, everybody who runs that outfit and their founder, Saurabh Sharma,

01:17:36.180 who now works in the White House, who's no longer a part of it.

01:17:39.840 But yeah, you guys got to really take a look at American Moment.

01:17:42.380 They're the best outfit out there.

01:17:43.480 And that's how you get started.

01:17:44.340 So go that.

01:17:44.940 Do that.

01:17:45.260 Thank you.

01:17:46.160 Yeah, I met him at a Claremont event.

01:17:49.260 I'm very glad that that work is getting done.

01:17:51.620 So yes, please, people absolutely put yourselves in that position. It's look, I am absolutely here

01:17:57.900 to, you know, criticize people when they're not doing what I want to do. But you also have to

01:18:02.140 take action. It's got to be paired with doing things. So get in there and do the best you can

01:18:07.260 get as involved as you can. He also says Israel had to attack Iran now because in a year or two,

01:18:13.160 Israel would not be able to attack Iran on their own. Iran never threatened America. I would not

01:18:18.080 say iran never threatened america but i would say the primary threat was to israel and i'll be honest

01:18:23.200 i agree with you i think that is why we're on the timeline that we are i think israel knows they've

01:18:29.100 only got a short amount of time where they're ever going to be able to do this uh the opportunity is

01:18:33.160 going to slip away from them and that's why they were so encouraging uh what we could say to to

01:18:37.900 make this happen on that timeline i would also keep going keep going yeah it's good okay always

01:18:45.200 feel like you can jump in there uh wild speaker says i can only imagine that those in the admin

01:18:49.440 know the consequences of losing power are prison for them and ruination of their loved ones iran

01:18:53.720 seems like such a gamble given those obvious truths yeah that's my confusion i mean i'm with

01:18:57.660 you know tom 100 i think that the administration understands you know the the consequences of

01:19:02.900 losing the midterms they're already preparing for what could have been a dicey midterm just because

01:19:07.180 of you know the president usually loses the midterms is the the incumbent party is usually

01:19:11.660 you know losing midterms that's just a political rhythm and reality plus everything else on top of

01:19:17.160 that but then that only asks the question why do this now right like that's why I think it was so

01:19:23.260 confusing to people because it just didn't seem like Iran was a threat we had to deal with at

01:19:28.800 that exact moment if the midterms really were that important and really did hang in the balance

01:19:32.900 and that's why so many questions are being asked about the war I don't think I don't think the

01:19:37.500 idea that iran is just never ever going to be a threat to us is correct and i think that's

01:19:41.780 overstating your case i think the thing to focus on is the timeline because i think that's where

01:19:46.440 people have the real questions i think that's a that's a fair argument man i i get it um it does

01:19:53.340 seem though is that there are some folks who you know obviously that have access to more information

01:19:57.240 than we do so and sometimes you just gotta take the word for it because you know they're not going

01:20:01.420 to show you all the intelligence i get that um but also it's worth pointing out though that a lot of

01:20:07.100 these folks who are especially in the pentagon right senior leaders in the pentagon they all

01:20:11.700 had to deal with the forever wars and they don't want that right like they don't and like i mean

01:20:16.560 if if for some reason donald trump was trying to force pete hegseth to send like we're going to

01:20:22.760 invade mainland iran or something like that which i know wasn't really ever on the table but if they

01:20:26.560 were like you you would get real pushback and then you'd see some real resignations and uh one thing

01:20:31.520 about joe kent as well i think it's worth saying here as well is look i i have met him a few times

01:20:37.400 some of my friends worked with his wife at that command that doesn't officially exist and um you

01:20:44.020 know i love that guy uh i wish he hadn't quit i'll just say that much right and like i i don't i

01:20:50.520 think the timing might have been an issue but um i i it's not how i would have done it but uh i

01:20:56.600 really got i it got i really bristled when i saw some people out there who were just bad mouthing

01:21:02.720 him uh right away because i'll tell you what joe kent has given more for this country than you me

01:21:08.740 and just about anybody we know so he gets a hell of a lot of grace from me on that one so even

01:21:14.320 though i disagreed with his decision i wish he had just stayed you know and just kept pushing

01:21:19.080 and kept pushing because you know because right now unfortunately his you know his career of having

01:21:23.640 any influences kind of over outside of maybe doing podcasts and books i'm not saying there's

01:21:28.280 nothing to that but being on the inside matters a lot more so look i don't know what's in his heart

01:21:33.780 but i i wish that he hadn't done that but the man's a patriot okay and like we owe him so much

01:21:39.940 yeah that's exactly the right stance to take look i i understand people have tactical questions

01:21:44.800 about joe can't maybe you could have had more influence on the inside maybe that would have

01:21:47.780 been a smarter way to do it but one thing i can't abide is people telling me that this guy got his

01:21:51.860 opinions because he watched too much candace owens like this guy has six bronze stars he's a

01:21:56.420 gold star you know spouse spouse he is a guy who has been in the cia like this is not some guy who

01:22:03.440 just like you know watched a podcast and was like you know i think she might be right about the

01:22:08.600 israelis like this is a guy who might have had some interactions with the intelligence community

01:22:14.020 may have been familiar with a few of the you know working things again if you disagree with him

01:22:19.560 ultimately or the way he went about things i respect that what i cannot respect is someone

01:22:23.800 who's throwing any shade on the man's uh you know service his credibility his character i'm sorry

01:22:29.140 that's just gross it's it's gross and when people do it about erica kirk and it's just as gross when

01:22:34.040 someone does it about joe kent i'm sorry these are the one in the same to me when people talk

01:22:37.720 about him that way it's just and further i'd say when i got really pissed when that story that

01:22:42.760 story the leak about him being under investigation for leaking that's total bullshit first of all

01:22:47.540 that is a leak by itself and also it's like oh we're gonna say they were suspect that he was

01:22:52.160 under suspicion of leaking classified material to the press but they let him keep his job as soon

01:22:56.620 as there's you can't i know the way it works because trust me i've been in these circles you

01:23:00.460 know i i held the top secret clearance i held i held a q clearance for the department of energy

01:23:03.880 for nuclear weapons it's like if somebody catches a whiff it could be an unsubstantiated rumor

01:23:09.380 of you doing anything like that they immediately suspend your clearance like hey you're out until

01:23:15.300 we sort this out immediately right so that would have happened so that was a complete bullshit

01:23:20.200 yeah if you get a five thousand dollar deposit out of nowhere in your bank account you're losing

01:23:25.020 your security clearance much less you know this idea so yeah i i again it just no truck i i totally

01:23:32.100 understand people who want to stand behind the president people who ultimately want to support

01:23:36.000 what's going on but if you are if you are destroying a guy like joe kent publicly um

01:23:41.800 you just don't have honor like that's really all there is to it um

01:23:46.040 zhgh also says here's the questions for your pro-israel guest i knew you're gonna get it

01:23:51.740 eventually uh why didn't we just ally with iran and build a couple of military bases overlooking

01:23:56.440 the strait uh i feel like that's an easy question for you but go ahead uh why didn't we ally with

01:24:02.520 iran and building well i maybe because they keep saying death to america yeah right i i i don't

01:24:10.160 know i mean i don't know why don't we build a couple of military bases in the south china sea

01:24:15.200 with the chinese and monitor the south china sea i don't what i don't i don't i don't know like i

01:24:21.160 said at least it's a softball for you yeah i know you got five bucks yeah uh florida henry says any

01:24:28.160 reason our oil production uh wasn't increased i'm in the oil patch and it's slow that's a good

01:24:34.560 question uh i don't know enough about current domestic oral production numbers i don't know

01:24:39.720 if there's intentional slowing or if that's just you know the current rate of extraction due to

01:24:44.220 conditions uh you know i i really would not have any inside information on that but it's a good

01:24:48.820 question man i i don't either have you ever does oilfield rando do appearances no sadly i've i've

01:24:55.520 encouraged him to do so but he's great he's told me directly he's like i make too much money doing

01:25:01.280 what i'm doing now to go on podcasts and get fair enough yeah yeah exactly yeah he's phenomenal

01:25:08.680 though yeah i've told him i i i remember when um manhattan institute was looking for research as

01:25:15.300 like uh this guy like obviously like one of the best in the business yeah the yeah sad sad that

01:25:21.220 no conservative think tank can offer him uh more than he's making right now because we we definitely

01:25:25.900 could use a full-time oil rando on uh on this beat uh let's see here a string of numbers and

01:25:34.360 letter says the left has fdr and they also had lincoln yes yes they did uh the imperial presidency

01:25:40.620 has uh some strong roots in the united states uh you know let's not forget jackson though i would

01:25:44.960 put him on the other side of the uh the political spectrum when it comes to imperial presidencies

01:25:49.260 and then washington we can we can probably cite at least four imperial presidencies in the u.s

01:25:53.420 there's a really interesting book by a guy and you've probably heard of him even though i disagree

01:25:57.960 with him on so many other things uh thad russell who wrote a book called the rogue history of the

01:26:03.300 United States. I don't know if you've ever read that book. It's really interesting where he kind

01:26:06.620 of goes in, he cites primary sources about how reconstruction after the civil war was a complete

01:26:13.140 disaster on so many levels and how, I mean like some really like, and then they even had like

01:26:18.680 audio recordings where they interviewed in like the 1920s, a bunch of freed slaves who were old

01:26:25.760 men and women at the time, but they were young men and women during the, during and right immediately

01:26:30.900 after the civil war and it's a lot there's some very uncomfortable things that they talk about

01:26:35.920 on there like i mean this is not like sticking up for and he's he's a big lefty too but it's like

01:26:40.580 not sticking up for you know the the south and slavery when it comes to all that stuff but

01:26:45.120 not at all but it was just one of those things where it's like how the republicans back in the

01:26:50.260 1860s and 70s kind of like looked at these new freed slaves kind of like like children that they

01:26:56.760 had to like teach and coddle and take care of and i mean and honestly i kind of do take again that's

01:27:02.280 just kind of the leftist i know i sound like a total boomer con when i say it but i mean you

01:27:06.060 know the left are the real racists but it's like you know but they but they really do look at a lot

01:27:10.960 of those folks as people who just don't know better they need to be taken care of because

01:27:14.360 they're that weird maternal instinct among many leftists well the you know the uh if you want to

01:27:22.220 go for some really interesting reading you can recognize that the reconstruction was really the

01:27:27.840 first like haliburton rebuilding your your uh your afghanistan type scenario where just it became an

01:27:34.440 infinite money pit for all the northerners that the carpetbaggers and the different banks and

01:27:39.440 this is how you got fortunes like the vanderbilts and the carnegies were built on this railroad

01:27:43.980 expansion that happened because of the southern conquest and then the westward expansion that

01:27:48.760 came thereafter so many of the um let's just say uh foundations that are currently ruining america

01:27:54.720 were built entirely off the largesse that uh came out of reconstruction and westward expansion

01:28:00.600 and government funding of these massive fortunes they didn't come because these guys were amazing

01:28:04.840 businessmen they came because they literally just got to war profiteer but uh that's a whole

01:28:09.720 different episode i should probably put that right right it is be a fun one though yeah

01:28:13.640 recruit george bagby for that one uh wine uh sean wineland says does american moment or anyone else

01:28:21.000 work with the office of strategic capital and the sovereign wealth fund for reshoring

01:28:25.660 manufacturing to america say that uh yes they do uh i recently introduced actually just last

01:28:33.180 friday i introduced uh nick and the american moment guys to the director of osc he's a friend

01:28:39.220 of mine uh yeah and actually so sean if you're looking to do some work with them or um or if you

01:28:47.160 have a company that is seeking capital um shoot me a note shoot me a note on a dm or something like

01:28:53.720 that man yeah so honestly very quickly the office of strategic capital is probably one of the most

01:28:57.940 important offices in the pentagon right now they're looking to re-industrialize the united states

01:29:01.780 and that and that's done so through uh very good loans that are meant for companies that can absorb

01:29:07.540 a lot of money and deploy it rapidly. It's not a place for a startup or you got a good idea.

01:29:12.480 These are for folks who you have factories, you have manufacturing capability, you make things

01:29:16.760 that have a commercial market that you can sell, but that the military has or might want a use for

01:29:24.400 in the future. And they are offering loans, but these are very large loans. I mean, this is like

01:29:31.320 billions of dollars and you got to show that you can absorb it and deploy that money.

01:29:34.600 So I'm actually I actually work with them right now and we're helping like screen companies for that.

01:29:40.360 It's a very unique profile they're looking for. So, yeah, I mean, that's something you got to shoot me a DM.

01:29:45.080 All right, Tom, I need you to sit the administration down, like grab a comms guy by the collar and be shaken until he says he said, tell people about this stuff.

01:29:54.980 Like, go out there and tell people about this stuff. I promise you, like, 95 percent of the office just learned about the Office of Strategic Capital.

01:30:02.740 and that's such a critical program that the trump administration should be like

01:30:07.040 talking about and bragging about and helping people to understand these are the domestic

01:30:12.880 wins i want to be talking about instead of iran like oh so grab somebody at the admin and be like

01:30:19.240 please sit down and start talking about what's funny i started doing it because i went on laura

01:30:25.420 ingram's show like a month ago and i was talking about that i'm like hey david lorch the office

01:30:29.980 street capital it's amazing it's also great and that's how dave found me and he like reached out

01:30:35.140 to me on linkedin and then he's like hey do you want to come in the office like we need to get

01:30:39.360 the word out about this so that's one of the things i've been doing but a lot of it is but

01:30:42.860 the problem is is like they get so much volume they got it they can't filter the signal from

01:30:46.700 the noise for example they you know they're telling they were saying publicly that like

01:30:49.660 they got one guy who like let him down a primrose path for like weeks about this huge opportunity

01:30:54.500 it turns out like his uncle just owned a lot of property in like nebraska or something he's like

01:30:58.620 hey you can mine some stuff in there can i have a billion dollars and they're like no no that's not

01:31:04.320 it but if it's but the thing is if the company is the right fit it's a unique profile they're

01:31:08.600 looking for they're looking and and where your biggest constraint is capital then there might

01:31:13.360 be a candidate there but this is for manufacturing and like building a national and the defense

01:31:18.180 industrial base it's a phenomenal office and it's going to be one of the things that's going to save

01:31:21.580 this country in the next 10 years and zhgh also says uh we have a base near south trying to see

01:31:29.060 it's called japan iran says death to america but we could smooth things out with iran if we tried

01:31:35.100 look if you look okay i'll just say this if we want to drop two nukes on iran and occupy them

01:31:40.520 for a good 40 years then yeah like i think you know that that that's probably uh that that's

01:31:46.340 real regime change okay we we have done regime change we know how to regime change germans and

01:31:50.800 japanese uh but it's it's a little more of extensive process uh so i hear you brother i

01:31:55.700 hear you but uh i think that's my what it might take and you know we're not taking off the table

01:32:00.120 but that's that's probably what's going to require to to turn out the same way we we also have a base

01:32:04.800 right next to the strait of hormuz it's in bahrain right i mean that is navy's fifth league headquarters

01:32:09.740 i spent a lot of time in bahrain and thing and people don't realize the persian gulf is very

01:32:14.700 compact i mean it's you know it's not a big body of water and so we already have a base there and

01:32:20.020 we've got and we keep a lot of stuff there but at the same time it's a narrow body of water and it's

01:32:24.560 like when you've got you know iran's coastline is like about the same size of california right i

01:32:29.780 mean it's huge on their coastline and it hits that choke point and i i think that you know we will

01:32:34.660 start we'll smooth things over with iran once we get somebody in charge that we like i don't think

01:32:39.840 you're going to see regime change i'd be very surprised because they have so many internal

01:32:44.660 uh like police states you know police organizations not just the irgc they've got like one different

01:32:51.060 like four or five different secret polices that all keep tabs on each other it's they've actually

01:32:56.320 like very very cleverly like designed their government to be coup proof if that makes sense

01:33:03.360 so i think it's very unlikely you're going to see a major regime change you might see somebody at

01:33:07.720 the top who says okay okay okay okay we'll back off i think that's what we're doing and because

01:33:12.320 i think they know that you know everyone who keeps pushing back you know has a hellfire dropped on

01:33:17.000 them you know maybe eventually somebody's gonna say okay okay okay we'll we'll cooperate i think

01:33:21.760 that's my uh i think that's the plan and i'm a plan truster well i'm certainly hoping that that

01:33:26.820 plan works out either way i would like the troops to get home as soon as possible with a victory in

01:33:31.460 their pocket and get back to domestic politics i think that's what we're all praying for uh so i

01:33:37.060 think that's something that can unify both the plan trusters and the hardliners on this one

01:33:42.040 uh so that said tom it's been fantastic speaking with you i'm glad we battled through

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 03, 2026

Pam Bondi Out, Birthright Citizenship on the Line ｜ Guest： Tom Sauer ｜ 4⧸3⧸26

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