00:01:42.120We have peace in the Middle East again, maybe, this time, hopefully.
00:01:48.000We'll talk about what happened with the peace treaty and if it's actually going to stick with Iran.
00:01:53.220And of course, we also had a UFC fight on Donald Trump's birthday here in addition to it kind of leading up to the America 250 celebration.
00:02:03.620I think the Trump administration has actually made some wise moves heading into the America 250 celebration.
00:02:09.640But there are a lot of people out there whining about it.
00:02:12.280So we're going to talk about that as well.
00:02:14.280Joining me to discuss all of this is Jay Burden.
00:02:23.220So let's begin with the peace treaty. We've heard about a thousand times that a deal is imminent, a deal is coming, a deal is done.
00:02:31.720It's only a few minutes away. It'll finally be signed. And that has been a pretty exhausting media cycle to go through over and over again.
00:02:40.440However, this time it was clear that Donald Trump was pushing for this in advance of the celebration that he wanted to hold.
00:02:48.800It seemed very clear that he wanted to announce the idea that this deal was done.
00:02:53.740In addition, the good news is that we actually heard from Iranian media this time that the deal is real, that it is actually happening, that Iran is agreeing to this.
00:03:06.880So it's not just Trump kind of saying it and starting the media cycle again.
00:03:11.380This time we seem to have confirmation from state related actors inside Iran that this is actually happening.
00:07:54.360Iran does not seem to be budging on that.
00:07:56.860And it seems as if the determinant factor is if we say we're done, whatever Israel does
00:08:02.380in Lebanon is their business, not ours, which is a conclusion I wish we could have reached
00:08:07.060months ago, but better late than never.
00:08:10.500Yeah, I mean, there's a lot there that we need to unpack.
00:08:13.700And I agree that ultimately the real question of this entire process is, will Donald Trump
00:08:20.380separate our interests from Israel's interests?
00:08:22.500It's very obvious that Israel has no interest in simply kind of knocking out the capability of Iran.
00:08:31.280They want to completely destabilize that country.
00:08:35.060As you say, they want basically to seize a lot of land in Lebanon and gain control, take out the proxies there.
00:08:43.560And every time we've gotten close to a deal, the response from Israel has basically been to accelerate their warfare in Lebanon.
00:08:52.500Not only because, obviously, that is probably the last time they'll have a chance to do that if we leave, but by doing that, they continue to trigger retaliatory attacks from Iran, which then heats the war back up again and makes peace more and more difficult.
00:09:08.320It's very clear that Israel knows it would have had a very, very difficult, if not impossible time doing what it wants to do without the United States.
00:09:16.020And so, uh, you know, the, the continued ability to operate with some cover from the U S is very
00:09:22.000valuable to them. And ultimately, obviously keep the United States locked into that conflict.
00:09:26.280That's what they want. Uh, I'll just say it again, in case anyone watching the show is unaware,
00:09:30.960uh, Israel does not care about the United States. You are just a tool for their foreign policy.
00:09:37.120If the United States could be swapped out with China tomorrow, and it might be,
00:09:41.440then they'll do that. Uh, they do not care. They do not care about your country. They do
00:09:45.860not care as you people they do not care about your priorities they do not care they care about
00:09:49.860their priorities and that's fine it's their nation they should care about their priorities
00:09:54.280but you should not confuse your priorities with their priorities because they certainly do not
00:09:58.900do that the other direction and so it's very obvious that the key goal for Israel is to
00:10:04.300continue this disruption that said as you pointed out there's been more and more friction between
00:10:09.900Donald Trump and BB Netanyahu we now have a confirmed second profanity laden phone call
00:10:15.720between Trump and Netanyahu over this issue. It's very clear that I think from the minute
00:10:22.840Trump realized that this war was not going to be over in 72 hours, that he has at some level tried
00:10:30.180to push this off through Rubio, going out and announcing that Israel kind of pulled us into
00:10:35.800the war. I don't think that was a mistake. Again, this does not absolve Trump of making this mistake,
00:10:41.060But ultimately, as you say, the point is, we need to get out as quickly as possible. We need to, you know, kind of undo the ties that have lashed us to these people and let them do whatever they want to do.
00:10:53.300Israel can go handle its business. And one of the consequences of this war is very likely a
00:11:01.140widening of the gulf between Israel and the United States, at least at some level,
00:11:05.660and a kind of withdraw of America at some level from Middle East interests. Again,
00:11:12.160none of that will be total. I'm sure we'll still be talking to Israel. I'm sure we'll still be
00:11:16.160involved in the Middle East at some level. But our bases there have been damaged quite a bit.
00:11:23.300Our supplies have been drawn down, expended through all of this warfare.
00:11:29.500And so ultimately, I think we are going to see some distance between kind of the Trump agenda and Israel at this point.
00:11:38.560I think Trump has been trying to end this war, knowing he made a mistake, put himself in a bad situation for a while now, and has been just doing everything he can to ignore the continued firing between both sides.
00:11:51.880and effectively it seems like we're more or less doing a deal with iran means we're just kind of
00:11:57.420walking away like it doesn't seem like israel will be agreeing to deal uh we're basically just
00:12:02.220signing a piece of paper with the iranian regime saying uh i guess you deal with israel now we're
00:12:07.140done with this uh which is fine that's more than fine with me i have no interest in trying to you
00:12:13.280know somehow figure both of these things out simultaneously for them uh so ultimately uh do
00:12:20.720you think that this will create that distance? Do you think that the United States is just too
00:12:25.960linked with Israel at this point? I mean, we are talking about possibly additional technology
00:12:32.680sharing and intelligence gathering and everything being codified in a new bill. Do you think that
00:12:39.320this will create a wedge or is this just one instance where Trump realizes he had to walk
00:12:45.180away, but we'll be back in this situation sometime soon. So there are a couple things.
00:12:51.760One, if we go back to the primary election that Thomas Massey lost, it showed us something really
00:12:59.880interesting. The popular narrative is the Zoomers versus the Boomers. But that election, which sure
00:13:08.720it had a lot to do with Epstein, sure it had a lot to do with different stances towards
00:13:13.880issues like immigration or loyalty to Trump. But for a lot of people, it was basically about
00:13:20.360our relationship to Israel. And sure, Ed Galrain won by a large margin. Republican primaries,
00:13:28.140particularly in deep red areas, skew much older. And it's no shock that those policy positions,
00:13:33.680which are popular with older voters, carried the day. But if you dig into the data,
00:13:38.640it's pretty interesting because the break point on that voting pattern, what flips at about 55,
00:13:46.840this is much more than just, quote unquote, the Zoomers. It must be said the demo that the Trump
00:13:53.380administration won in 2024 by the widest margin was basically older Gen Xers, kind of 55 to 65,
00:14:02.420split right down the middle of this issue. And so I think people realize this is a losing
00:14:10.460issue for the Republican coalition. The Republican coalition is deeply, deeply divided.
00:14:16.020It is not simply the under 30 crowd on this issue. It did not last 72 hours. It's turned into a bit
00:14:24.000of a debacle, especially when you throw in the fact that it has worsened the cost of living
00:14:30.680crisis. So I think that the correct strategy would be to basically forget about foreign policy. It
00:14:38.280is something that there is broad disagreement about. Now, look, as proven by what Rubio said,
00:14:45.180to at least a certain degree, Israel is able to tell us to jump. And the question is, well,
00:14:50.480how high? Now, I think that's wrong on sort of a moral level, but functionally that puts two
00:14:57.320things in tension. Can you continue to follow that incentive and still stay in office? Obviously,
00:15:04.640the midterms are going to be a test on that point because, look, there's a decay in any political
00:15:09.940platform. We understand there's sort of an inevitable back and forth to politics. But I
00:15:15.620think that there will be a desire, whether from Trump loyalists or at least the next generation
00:15:21.600of conservatives to push back on this simply because that will be the way you exist in
00:15:27.280conservative politics. It doesn't matter if you can dump $30 million into a congressional race
00:15:32.960if there simply aren't the voters to back it up. Now, sure, I realize we all have the same
00:15:39.800concerns about election integrity. I understand that. But at a certain point, how long can this
00:15:47.460continue to go on for. We're primarily concerned with trend lines here. And the trend line for
00:15:53.880America-Israel relations from the perspective of the Likud party is nothing short of apocalyptic.
00:15:59.900I'm sure you remember what things were like three years ago. They weren't like this. These positions,
00:16:06.100being skeptical of our relationship to Israel, were extreme minorities. We're going to talk
00:16:12.100about the America 250 soon, but the fact that champion John Strickland was barred from the
00:16:19.540event for his positions on Israel and was out with a crowd of people there to see the event,
00:16:26.420basically carrying him around on their shoulders, indicates that this is no longer an extreme
00:16:31.160minority position. So has this created a gulf? Yes, clearly. Has that reached the top level of
00:16:38.240politics. To a lesser degree, but just judging from what my and I assume your sources are telling
00:16:44.580you, yes, also we're seeing a very similar thing happen in the media landscape. But also, I think
00:16:51.520it needs to be said that Trump is sensitive to public sentiment. And there are few things as
00:16:57.860popular as bringing troops home. And so look, what's done is done. This was a mistake. Mistakes
00:17:04.620can be recovered from. And if one of the terms of this peace is American soldiers coming home,
00:17:11.340okay, great. That gets us to a peace that's also popular domestically. And does that mean
00:17:17.400we basically got defeated by Iran? I mean, not in an absolute sense, but we didn't accomplish our
00:17:23.960ends. Sure. But at a certain point, you're kind of recognizing the facts on the ground.
00:17:29.540and when we take into account the depletion of our resources, whether interceptors or ballistic
00:17:35.500missiles, if we wanted to do this, what would it cost us? Do we have the will, either political
00:17:43.440or otherwise, to resort to a World War II style motivation to do what? I don't think we do.
00:17:52.020And short of paying that cost, at a certain point, you need to look at the hands that you've been
00:17:57.200dealt how you've you know played the previous rounds of the game and say you know what it's
00:18:01.320much much better to cut our losses and this could be spun into a way that would be popular and to be
00:18:08.020honest if in three months gas is two dollars a gallon troops are coming home I don't think most
00:18:14.400people care about this you and I still will people listening to this still will but there weren't
00:18:20.760thousands of guys coming home in body bags you're very unlikely to know someone who's been killed by
00:18:25.640this. And so it is a recoverable situation. The question is just, will the president and those
00:18:32.040around him decide to recover or will they carry on with this sort of embarrassing slavish devotion
00:18:39.140to Israel? Yeah, I think those are all good points. And it's correct that the main thing
00:18:45.920in November will be the economy. If you're trying to read the tea leaves at all, obviously midterms
00:18:52.460are always difficult for the incumbent party. But Trump certainly ran on the idea that he was
00:18:57.900going to address inflation, that he was going to, at some level, address affordability. And
00:19:02.500for better or worse, the only thing people really care about when it comes to the Iran war is the
00:19:07.160gas prices. Now, there are far more complicated issues around the economy that might not be
00:19:14.520resolved simply by lowering the gas prices, and those will still be there. But at least when it
00:19:20.020comes to the war itself, I think you're right that that will more or less have faded. I think
00:19:25.420things like the Epstein files will probably have more sticking issue for a lot of people than the
00:19:31.760war at the end of the day, as long as the economy ends up writing itself. It's still going to be
00:19:36.640very hard to win the midterms, but at the very least, there will be a chance as where there
00:19:41.220wouldn't be if the deal was not done. And I think Trump is increasingly aware of that. Also, as you
00:19:48.560say you know these issues i know a lot of people are you know one of the things that people and
00:19:54.100look i i have i think i feel been sufficiently clear about how i feel about the level of influence
00:20:00.620that israel has in the united states but a lot of people really overstate it and they just say that
00:20:05.980every american institution is entirely bought out by israel and every action is entirely controlled
00:20:11.360uh one that's just blackpilling in a terrible way to like lock yourself into doing nothing
00:20:17.000but also it's just not true i know too many of these conservative institutions i knew as you
00:20:22.060know too much inside baseball this is a rift that has been drawn across every major conservative
00:20:29.600institution you can think of i promise you if you can think of a conservative institution
00:20:34.660this disagreement is raging through it right now so i understand like i know yeah there's been a
00:20:42.160lot of terms thrown around, panikins, the retard right. I would venture to say, I mean, call me
00:20:49.420crazy, but I'm going to say maybe the real retard right were the commentators who went out there
00:20:54.160and told you that Mark Levin and, you know, Lindsey Graham were your real friends and true
00:20:59.780patriots. And they're, you know, they're the ones that we need. If we're going to win anything,
00:21:04.700get anything done. I actually know every one of those people was lying to you and all of them
00:21:09.820stabbed you in the back the very minute that trump stopped doing exactly what they wanted to do they
00:21:13.980were never loyal the only reason that he listened to them was the level of influence that was wielded
00:21:19.260there uh and uh the idea that all of these people tried to like sigh off you know uh the the the
00:21:26.440kind of more dissident right or the you know the new right into once again jumping into the neocon
00:21:33.080basket i mean look i'm not going to run around trying to get people to say i'm sorry i know no
00:21:38.480one's going to do that they're all going to pretend like they opposed the war from the beginning
00:21:41.680they're all going to pretend like they were just being loyal to trump uh they'll all pretend that
00:21:46.040they never said what they said about following neocons and you win with these people and all
00:21:50.960that stuff they're they're going to lie about all of that and pretend that they uh you know didn't
00:21:55.360do any of this and see if they can get away with it and it'll probably work um and but like i said
00:22:01.060I don't expect justice, you know, or vindication. But ultimately, my real question is, do you think that the coalition will heal? There was a lot of bad blood. There's a lot said on both sides. The friend enemy distinction distinction was drawn right through the heart of the MAGA movement, which I think was a horrible mistake and why I encourage people to stop doing that.
00:22:25.420do you think, I know there are some people who probably went so far and will never come back
00:22:31.620to Trump after this, but do you think that in general, the MAGA coalition will be able to kind
00:22:36.280of reform itself without this critical issue dividing it? I think, and look, I say this as
00:22:42.580someone who's been on the right long enough to have seen this pattern happen before. The issues
00:22:47.200individually have been different, but we've seen this kind of boom bust cycle. Big win, everyone's
00:22:53.000on the same team people get bored there's clout to be had and the knives come out now i think it's
00:22:59.100worth saying that there's been a lot of triumphal triumphalism from the basically the extreme plan
00:23:06.400truster side of this saying oh you idiots we didn't get six dollar gas we didn't get nuclear war
00:23:13.720everything was fine and i mean okay sure those things didn't happen but it's the same thing as
00:23:21.240like, Arun, if I say, hey, man, you probably shouldn't try and fight the cops, you'll get
00:23:26.540shot. And if you come back to me and you say, well, I only got tased, it's like, well, I mean,
00:23:31.280okay, I mean, I guess I was wrong, but we're talking about unwise behavior, something you
00:23:35.460shouldn't do, which if you try it enough, there will be serious consequences for.
00:23:41.260So I think that we need to keep that in mind, that is there sensationalism? Were there people
00:23:46.680saying nuclear hellfire, it'll be a Judgment Day style situation. Sure. But the people who were
00:23:53.000calling out potentially disastrous consequences of unwise behavior, I mean, again, generally
00:24:00.420speaking, are correct. That is the most common outcome. As towards the coalition itself,
00:24:08.740I think what we have is you and I have a different perspective on this, the people listening to it,
00:24:14.480because we are hyper engaged, we are more involved in this and we associate a lot of different
00:24:20.460personalities with this debate. There are no doubt podcasters, Twitter accounts that you
00:24:25.980were personally angry at for their position on this issue. To be honest, man, most people aren't
00:24:31.640like that. Do I think that there is a real divide in MAGA? A hundred percent. Am I very much on one
00:24:37.760side of that. Also, yes, very true. But I think for a lot of people, if the Trump administration
00:24:45.400is America 250, is an economy that is at least some degree of functional, there's a widespread
00:24:52.740consensus that things are going in the right direction. Yeah, I think that is recoverable.
00:24:59.000It bears mention that there have been pretty significant changes to voting maps that may well
00:25:04.000offset a fraying base. To what degree, we don't know yet, but it is entirely possible that because
00:25:11.720of those changes to the game map, if you will, we might not see the sort of apocalypse some have
00:25:19.800been predicting. Because we always have to remember, just by virtue of listening to this,
00:25:24.420you care so much more than most people do, and it's a mistake to project your level of
00:25:29.620involvement upon everyone else. Do I wish that were different? Sure. But look, we're interested
00:25:36.380in how things are, not how they ought to be. And we must understand we're in a minority position.
00:25:42.460On the media landscape, I really don't think there's any healing that. I think that the
00:25:47.680generational divide with media is sort of a fait accompli. It's done. And you're seeing
00:25:53.660sort of the old guard competing for a smaller and smaller fraction of a diminishing pie.
00:25:59.700Simply look at all of the information that came out of the Daily Wire, for example.
00:26:04.260Not looking to throw stones, but clearly we're seeing some business models are succeeding,
00:26:18.200Now, the question is, of course, what comes next?
00:26:20.820And that's been an open question for two years now, if not longer.
00:26:24.900That's where I think we're going to start seeing the divide getting even nastier, to
00:26:28.240be honest, because then there's real power on the line. But I think the danger, of course, is
00:26:33.620Trump, at least as of current writing, has alienated some core voting blocs he needs.
00:26:40.940Men under 40 and then by extension under 30. The white working class is not particularly happy.
00:26:47.100They are net disapproving of Trump for the first time in, I mean, 10 years, plus or minus.
00:26:53.100And of course, that means what if the election occurred today? Well, it isn't occurring today.
00:26:58.240there's some runway, there's some time to fix it. And how many of those people are upset because of
00:27:03.120our hyper-specific foreign policy disagreements? Some, but not most. So I do think it is
00:27:08.940recoverable, Lauren. I think that's correct. I think, as you say, the average MAGA voter
00:27:14.940was more than willing to kind of get back behind Trump as soon as possible, and that the Iran war
00:27:22.320is not the central thing for them as long as the economy heals uh it would you know as you as you
00:27:30.280say i do hope that trump gets away with this like i do of course hope that ultimately the republicans
00:27:35.560do you know maintain uh their position uh that they do not lose not because they're going to do
00:27:41.400anything of significance but simply because it keeps us from just having trump turn into a lame
00:27:46.440duck who's constantly fighting against uh impeachment and other investigations uh but you
00:27:52.000know let's not make no mistake we got nothing out of this uh conflict except spending you know tens
00:27:58.980of billions maybe hundreds of billions depending on how the peace deal is done uh you know but
00:28:04.380blowing a large amount of political capital that could have been used on deportations and far more
00:28:09.380critical domestic issues uh and of course let's not forget very the most costly thing 14 i believe
00:28:15.160or 15 American lives in combat and you know obviously not a Vietnam style number but 14
00:28:22.440people who did not need to die for a war that was entirely driven on the interests of another
00:28:28.160country and this is something that again is not good even if you get away with it so yes I'm sure
00:28:34.820that there are somewhere people who are saying oh you you foolish panicans everything was fine
00:28:40.820but as you say you know just because you made a terrible mistake and got away with it doesn't
00:28:45.540mean that the lesson is therefore we should just continue down this road and I was correct the
00:28:50.220entire time I'm sure that's how it will be spun I'm sure that's how it's being spun right now
00:28:54.300but I think anybody with eyes to see and a shred of credibility will recognize that this was a
00:29:01.100foolish move that said I really hope that this peace deal is done I really hope the war is done
00:29:06.980And I really hope we get back to domestic issues. I want to be rooting for the Trump administration in all of these things. I do not want to be in any way in opposition to these people. I just need them to have the priorities of my country set before pleasing possible foreign lobbies.
00:29:23.720And it would really, really be great if people running around and insulting people didn't treat this as some form of victory for them when it is obviously a disaster that they championed at every level and tried to drive people out for opposing, even though they were obviously wrong from the entire from the moment that we began, because this was the most predictable outcome in human history.
00:29:46.880That said, I do want to look at the theoretical terms that that Iran is advertising on their state media. I want to make it very clear to everyone. This is Iran's accusation of what is going to or, you know, this is their story about what is going to be in the deal.
00:30:04.420obviously this is the most speculative of speculative take all of this with an incredibly
00:30:09.700large grain of salt this does not mean i'm sure that in many ways they are just putting out what
00:30:14.260they want to be in the deal and not what donald trump has agreed to but it is so far the only
00:30:18.440information that we have uh regarding this so i want to take a look at it real quick let me put
00:30:24.320it up on the screen here all right so so far from uh iranian media we're hearing that 12 billion of
00:30:32.940iran's uh frozen funds to be released before negotiations begin with another 12 billion
00:30:38.480during the 60-day final negotiation window oil and petrochemical sanctions suspended
00:30:44.120full naval blockade lifted within 30 days as you're saying jay obviously this is like the
00:30:50.000most important thing to both sides this is kind of like the initial okay everybody just gets the
00:30:55.720economic relief they're looking for and then we'll hash everything else later because those are
00:30:59.700harder issues so america gets the straight open back up without tolls and iran basically gets
00:31:05.60024 billion dollars of its own money uh back you know released from sanctions so that's the key
00:31:11.180thing for trump uh you know he needs to be seen as not giving money to the iranians that was the
00:31:16.320whole opposition to the barack obama deal primarily that was the bad optics the pallets of cash he does
00:31:22.420not want to see that the releasing of sanctions is a fundamentally different thing so i think that
00:31:26.760stuff is all very likely to happen. The U.S. commits to non-interference in Iranian affairs,
00:31:32.840withdraws forces from Iran and Iran, and no new sanctions or forced deployments during
00:31:37.620negotiations. Again, I think that's more or less what Trump wants anyway, so I think that part
00:31:41.800will probably also be agreed to. The immediate ceasefire is required on all fronts, including
00:31:46.420Lebanon. Strait of Hamuz reopens within 30 days after under Iranian arrangements. Again, that's
00:31:53.080going to be a sticking point that will be difficult i don't think the united states is
00:31:56.440basically going to do anything to physically stop israel i don't think unfortunately they're even
00:32:01.540going to remove support from israel otherwise so i'm not sure if they can compel israel
00:32:07.680to actually cease their attacks in lebanon and if if iran makes that a requirement a binding
00:32:15.400requirement america that could be a huge issue i just think bb netanyahu is going to betray trump
00:32:21.140at every level at every moment and every opportunity uh because he's a terrible ally
00:32:25.140uh and we'll we'll stab you in the back the minute that you he has the opportunity so uh that will be
00:32:31.160i think very touch and go uh we also have iran reaffirms this npt commitment non-proliferation
00:32:37.460proliferate i can say words today non-proliferation tree uh commitment not to produce nuclear weapons
00:32:45.440a 60-day window is set to negotiate a final deal covering nuclear issues and full sanctions
00:32:52.360removal this one is going to be the one that will be I don't I kind of doubt that Trump even
00:32:58.500initially agreed to this at all but Iran is claiming U.S. and allies must present
00:33:04.640reconstruction plans worth at least 300 billion dollars that's the sticking point that's the
00:33:09.200pallets of cash if if Trump agrees to this that's going to be a complete disaster and humiliation
00:33:15.280for the united states um so even though i am very much in hopes that this that we will have a peace
00:33:22.380deal i don't i hope we do not do that agreeing to that isn't a complete disaster and should pretty
00:33:27.600much be a no-go uh at every level iran's missile program and support for resistance groups are
00:33:33.440removed from the agenda entirely no final negotiations begin until the 12 billion is
00:33:39.000released. Oil sanctions are suspended. A blockade is lifted. A supervisory mechanism will oversee
00:33:45.800implementation with any final agreement approved by the UN Security Council. So what are your
00:33:52.300initial reactions to those terms? I mean, honestly, genuinely, Aaron, I feel like this is
00:33:59.740one of those things that we are unlikely to know for a long time. For instance, even the $300
00:34:06.900billion dollars i would be shocked if that is directly done but given the amount of uh trade
00:34:15.860deals and foreign investment there's a whole lot of ways to hide that right and let's also be honest
00:34:22.820money is fake we can just print more of it i don't think that's a good thing but to me
00:34:28.740what it really comes down to is the straight of poor moves and the nuclear stuff
00:34:31.860stuff the fact that the support for foreign allies has been kicked off the agenda indicates that
00:34:37.960we're starting to see a gap between the U.S. and Israel Israel views that as a deal breaker just
00:34:42.620look at their stuff happening currently in Lebanon if the Americans are at least talking
00:34:47.660about it it indicates to them it is not a deal breaker that may be the sort of wedge forming
00:34:53.680your points about Israel being a horrible ally in complete and total agreement obviously it is a
00:35:00.780disaster for us if the strait remains closed. That is causing problems for us. That needs to
00:35:05.580be fixed. Hezbollah, I mean, look, man, I'm sure they're a problem. They don't really feel like a
00:35:13.520problem to me. High gas prices do. And so to me, I can't really hazard a guess as to say which will
00:35:23.040be the sticking points other than the obvious ones. But the fact that we've seen some things
00:35:28.460falling off both sides of the demands indicates that there's some negotiations going on,
00:35:33.780but I have no insight past anyone else with a Twitter account.
00:35:38.220Yeah. And again, I want to remind people, this is purely from Iran. There are likely
00:35:43.660significant falsehoods or exaggerations in here, but this is just the only terms we've seen. So
00:35:50.940that's the only reason we're talking about them. But do not take this as some kind of,
00:35:54.840you know this is what we're doing you know we 100 buy this report this is we're just reviewing what
00:36:00.640they have put out there uh in the initial reflections we're supposed to see the memorandum
00:36:05.600of understanding here uh in a couple days it sounds like uh so hopefully we will but ultimately
00:36:12.120this is kind of just all we have to go on all right so enough with the iran war we are all
00:36:17.520absolutely horrifically tired of talking about that all right so the next thing i want to talk
00:36:23.020about is america 250 so obviously uh we have the 250th anniversary of the country coming up
00:36:29.760uh very exciting time uh for patriots uh you know i don't care what anybody says uh you know i love
00:36:36.480this country i love the symbolism i love the embrace of patriotism in the united states uh
00:36:42.460you're just never maybe maybe i am simply the chud of chuds uh but i will be so proudly you
00:36:47.900will never shame me for that these are my people this is my place uh and when it's our anniversary
00:36:52.300I am going to celebrate and everybody else can go pound sand.
00:36:55.920That said, you know, the Trump administration being in charge of this during, you know, or being in charge of the country during this event is critical.
00:37:04.000If it had been Kamala Harris, we would have had a nightmare of, you know, just, you know, talking about how evil the country is and how it's going to honor trans children.
00:37:13.580And so the attempt to kind of celebrate this has been a little stop start.
00:37:19.360the Trump administration didn't have a great opening when it was talking about the concert
00:37:23.680that they wanted to put on famously there were a bunch of has-beens on there including like
00:37:27.640Milli Vanilli there's only one guy left the other guy shot himself and the one who's there was
00:37:32.100famous for never singing any of the songs so you know it was it was really bad and then everybody
00:37:37.700just bailed out of the concert anyway due to political pressure so that one was quite an
00:37:42.740embarrassment I think that the Trump administration has really made a better choice here
00:37:49.280instead of trying to kind of ape all of the blue state uh status symbols trying to bring in movie
00:37:58.120stars or music acts uh you know even something like a symphony you know a lot of people kind
00:38:03.160of wanted uh you know this to you know that oh we need to class up this fair instead they're like
00:38:07.480you know what we're just gonna go red states you know uh carnival like state fair on this like we
00:38:13.680are going to celebrate everything that americans love uh here's a little bit of uh the uh the
00:38:19.740moto cross happening in front of the white house here uh with uh you know these these tricks being
00:38:26.260performed in front of the white house uh they also held a ufc uh fight yesterday uh uh and a lot of
00:38:35.880people were complaining about this i'm going to play a little bit of it um uh i don't know you
00:38:40.680if this will trigger youtube copyright so i'm be careful the ufc is infamously uh strict with
00:38:47.180copyright stuff well we're just going to stick with the the national anthem here but i want
00:38:51.320everybody to kind of see the the end here
00:38:53.240oh say does that star-spangled banner yet
00:39:09.320Now, a lot of people were giving, you know, the Trump administration a lot of guff on this.
00:39:32.700Oh, this is trashy. Oh, this is immature.
00:39:36.040where you're having all the you know these fights on the white house lawn uh many of many of these
00:39:41.120people obviously are not familiar with the history of the united states or andrew jackson uh but uh
00:39:46.200you know that they were out there uh you know complaining about it or calling this stuff cheesy
00:39:50.620you know here they had a eagle flying out uh over the crowd and returning a bald eagle i'm sorry
00:39:57.780man i think this stuff is cool i think this is a good idea i think this is a wise move from the
00:40:02.940trump administration to lean into this patriotism don't try to do that you know they're going to
00:40:08.160have a rodeo uh the you know the whole deal i think this is the way to go celebrate real america
00:40:14.920celebrate americana you know you have the marine band you have gladiatorial fights and you know
00:40:21.320in front of the white house you know that we are rome you know live it love it you know embrace it
00:40:26.500i i don't know what do you think jay i think this is the wise move well i'm gonna be honest i'm
00:40:32.040really mad uh because i didn't get to watch the fight card tonight because of american airlines
00:40:38.680really not happy about it and uh catching up on the fights uh it was honestly it was a great card
00:40:45.640uh there was a lot of dooming coming from both progressives and people particularly jilted by
00:40:50.900the trump administration which again i consider myself in that camp you know i've not been happy
00:40:55.700with the direction on certain issues but it went off well uh obviously you had a great night of
00:41:03.240fights uh particularly well-managed card on kind of the the sport side of it i realize i'm a massive
00:41:09.060nerd about that we don't have to go into it but also at the top of the card you had a huge underdog
00:41:15.240upset an american fighter one defying the odds as one uh user on twitter quoted uh taporia was
00:41:24.500supposed to win on paper, but Justin Gaethje can't read. And it was really a historic upset.
00:41:31.320And there were a number of these sort of iconic moments. You've seen one of a fighter,
00:41:36.520admittedly a Brazilian, standing on the edge of the cage with Trump out of focus in the background,
00:41:41.240the White House, the lights, a cool image, sort of living Fortnite character. Sean O'Malley had
00:41:48.860another iconic KO, knocks the guy out and salutes the flag. Usual suspects were saying he was
00:41:55.240throwing a Roman as somewhat of a subject matter expert. He was not. But point is, there were a
00:42:02.020number of these kind of iconic moments from the actual fight itself. And I think it's important,
00:42:07.840much like the commentary around the MAGA divide, we're a minority, right? The Trump administration
00:42:16.780is playing to chud america and this works right particularly for you know young just normal red
00:42:25.160blooded men they see this stuff and yeah it kicks ass it's awesome and so i think that it's also
00:42:31.900important to to mention that i understand why a lot of people felt insulted like really this is
00:42:37.980what you're trying to do come on man and fair enough but look again we are hyper involved
00:42:46.880a lot of these complaints don't really reach outside of rarefied political circles
00:42:51.240and also i think the fact that there was this big celebration on at least the night that peace with
00:42:57.940iran was tentatively floated means that if it does move towards a peace people will retroactively
00:43:04.840feel much better about this now if it turns out to be a nothing burger if it turns back into same
00:43:10.860old same old you know grinding will they won't they conflict in iran and continuing continually
00:43:17.460worsen economy i think this will age very poorly because i think it will be seen as they sort of
00:43:22.440let them eat cake and sure it's fun sure it's cool but if it's all we're getting i think many
00:43:27.780people will turn on it whereas if it's seen as a momentary unpleasantness right as someone said
00:43:34.780about another conflict. And then this was a turning point. Again, I think that that has a
00:43:38.960profound amount of narrative significance. I think that also, and it's funny, my friend Lee,
00:43:48.620who's on the Cogwar Journal substack, wrote a really funny satirical piece about this,
00:43:56.000you know, kind of mocking the sort of hand-wringing conservative tone of,
00:43:59.400oh, this savagery. Can you imagine? That's not a great look, right? It comes across as,
00:44:07.280you know, kind of weak and pearl clutching. And I will say it again, I have my criticisms of the
00:44:12.220Trump administration, but are you really trying to convince me that the based cool right-wing
00:44:17.360opinion is to argue about the sanctity of Washington DC architecture, right? Like,
00:44:24.020dude, I've seen this one before. I simply don't care. I genuinely don't care. And if we're going
00:44:29.160to do a celebration hey look it came with the best fight card of the year i'll take it when you travel
00:44:35.620well your klm royal dutch airlines ticket takes you to more than just your destination it takes
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00:44:57.800the right notes klm royal dutch airlines when you travel travel well yeah i would say my only
00:45:06.760complaint is that it was behind the paywall i mean not that you know if you're a ufc fan you
00:45:11.020already don't have this but like it is the celebration of the country guys like maybe this
00:45:15.940one you know you you give people a free trial and at least let them you know uh enjoy it or you know
00:45:20.920use as an advertising thing for paramount but otherwise you know at least at least give people
00:45:24.720access here's what i will say orin you know people have theories about who really you know
00:45:31.760controls the system of usury shall we say but the real answer is tko holding group who owns both the
00:45:38.200wwe and the ufc uh an absolutely perfidious company uh really you can insult them and it
00:45:46.340rolls like water off a duck's bat they are the worst and so i'm not surprised they tried to
00:45:51.080basically uh mortgage a piece of american history although i will say if you're particularly skilled
00:45:56.780at sailing the high seas maybe you got out of it no more commentary there yeah uh easy enough to
00:46:02.560find if you want to put the effort in uh but yeah overall i just think this is the wise move because
00:46:07.340look you've got to understand in a moment like this that the left is so hyper uh opposed to trump
00:46:14.700that they're going to sabotage any effort to celebrate the country like obviously they hate
00:46:21.400the country anyway they hate the people they hate the founding they hate the values they hate the
00:46:25.220christianity uh but they also will use every uh opportunity to screw trump himself and so anything
00:46:33.360they control from music you know symphonies uh you know plays whatever hollywood all the things
00:46:40.100left control they're going to shut down so all the you know people i get it they want they're
00:46:45.720like i want a higher brow celebration of this well yeah we'll put aside for a moment whether
00:46:51.220that's reflective of america or american history anyway but even if that was desirable you don't
00:46:57.500control any of those functions of culture but you do control the ufc you do control the rodeo
00:47:04.840You do have control of these cultural touchstones.
00:47:25.940I shouldn't have to explain to anybody why you want to win instead of lose.
00:47:30.180So even if you think that for some reason this is beneath us all, like you absolutely should recognize the political reality of what the Trump administration can bring to bear.
00:47:39.080And this is what they can bring to bear. And you know what? It's cool. So just do that and stop bellyaching about all this stuff you can't change.
00:47:45.780You weren't going to get a tour of like, you know, high art and, you know, you know, some kind of drama performance or, you know, a high dollar concert with popular artists.
00:47:55.720taylor swift's not showing up for for uh you know donald trump even though i don't understand why
00:48:00.720that would be any classier than a ufc fight but either way the point is you can control what you
00:48:05.700can control so use your allies use the things that are yours and by the way as somebody who cares a
00:48:10.440lot more about ufc fights than you know crappy pop stars i'd much rather see this i think this
00:48:16.600is far more reflective of red america than you know whatever you want to put on from uh any given
00:48:22.900I don't know, New York performance. It just makes more sense to me.
00:48:27.260Two things. One, any political event which leads to someone on White House grounds saying Michelle
00:48:34.200Obama is a man is well worth whatever it costs to put it on. And two, I think it's important to say
00:48:40.380that a lot of politics works kind of like the dog park, right? By leaving a cent there,
00:48:48.540you were marking it as not safe for the other team, right? And the leftists understand this.
00:48:56.500It's the reason that they go after our symbols and they replace them with tacky nonsense garbage
00:49:03.620that are their symbols, right? When the Biden administration has a topless trans woman,
00:49:10.540what are they doing? They're saying, this is our turf, right? It's like gangland marking.
00:49:15.200is it classy sure no but uh is america really a classy democracy anymore right is this the era of
00:49:25.840august statesmen debating each other no and also there is a real functional benefit to basically
00:49:31.360saying like no this is ours it's not yours anymore and is that super intellectual no it's not
00:49:38.640but also uh if you don't like it like literally just stop talking about it that's a way better
00:49:45.200And as much as I hate to say this, it's a better look than the kind of like hand wringing over it, which is going to be honest, kind of annoying.
00:49:54.420And look, you know, you shouldn't be socially checking all of your opinions in that way.
00:50:00.580But to say that, look, yeah, sure, there is a congruity between what the Biden administration did and what the Trump administration is doing.
00:50:12.580And in the same way that Florida has done great work driving libtards out through laws that, let's be honest, don't even really affect them, but signal you were not welcome here, that same strategy applies elsewhere.
00:50:26.660Do I think that was the reason they decided to do this?
00:50:29.900No, I think they decided to do it because it was kind of cool.
00:50:34.620But I think it bears repeating that this sort of chest beating should not be the end of politics, right?
00:50:40.640You and I have both talked about how conservatives tend to have that fault, but that is an appropriate
00:50:45.980activity in certain circumstances, sort of marking what is yours.