The Auron MacIntyre Show - Propaganda as a Sledgehammer ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 8⧸16⧸24

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00:00:30.440 Hey, everybody. How's it going?

00:00:32.420 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:34.020 I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:37.820 So one of the things that we like to do on this channel is break out a little bit of political theory whenever possible.

00:00:44.140 I want to go ahead and apply the things, the abstract ideas that we're looking at to the real world.

00:00:51.700 Things that are occurring right now so that we can recognize that while ideas are important and they matter.

00:00:57.560 And grasping them in a theoretical framework is very useful.

00:01:01.300 Ultimately, if we can't practically apply those things, if we can't figure out how that theory turns into reality, then the model is no good.

00:01:08.380 The only reason to have the model is that it maps on to something that we can observe.

00:01:11.940 And so a lot has been happening with propaganda recently, both in the UK when it comes to the migrant crisis there and the riots and the way that the UK government is persecuting its own people and forcing out messages through censorship and propaganda.

00:01:28.460 And here in the United States, we're seeing the manipulative launch of Kamala Harris as the media pretends like this person is some kind of charismatic social media star.

00:01:38.400 And so I thought at this moment, it would be a good time to go back and revisit a Nick Land essay called Cathedralism.

00:01:46.420 Nick Land is a philosopher. I talk about a good bit and someone who is always great to sit down and crack wise and think about what is happening inside these essays is, of course, your favorite frog, the Prudentialist.

00:01:57.900 Thanks for joining me, man.

00:01:59.140 Yeah, thanks for having me back on again, Oren. It's always a pleasure.

00:02:02.100 Absolutely. So we're going to dive in to this essay.

00:02:05.220 I think it's going to teach us a lot.

00:02:06.680 It's a very short one. It's really only about a page or two, but it has a lot to tell us about the way that that propaganda is being applied and why a system of mind control, which is what the cathedral essentially is, becomes the only weapon that the ruling class, the fox style elites can use, which I think is particularly important given, again, the events that are surrounding us both in the United States and the UK.

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00:04:00.760 So we're going to be reading this essay from Nick Land called Cathedralism.

00:04:04.980 Now, obviously, Nick Land in most of his Xenosystems work, and we're pulling this from the Xenosystems blog collection today, is responding to Curtis Yarvin.

00:04:15.760 So he's using a lot of Curtis Yarvin's words for the different phenomenon that you're seeing.

00:04:21.240 I know a lot of people don't like the cathedral as a term.

00:04:24.100 If you don't like it, that's fine.

00:04:25.800 The term is not the most important part.

00:04:28.100 The most important part is the idea behind it.

00:04:30.420 So we want to focus on the distributed consensus manufacturing apparatus that does a large amount of the lifting for our ruling elites. 0.92

00:04:40.540 And the version of the essay we're pulling today is from the new Xenosystems collection that Passage Press is putting out.

00:04:48.200 The new version collects a large amount of what was in the Xenosystems blog, not just the stuff that was in that PDF that was floating around from Postate Gallery,

00:04:59.360 but it also includes a number of other posts that weren't originally in there.

00:05:03.440 So if you're looking to get this in print and you want to get those extra essays and those extra blog posts that did not get included in that original version,

00:05:12.320 then you do have that option here.

00:05:14.700 But just starting out from the beginning, I'll read the first paragraph and then we'll kind of break in here.

00:05:19.680 It says, imagine hypothetically that you wanted the regime to succeed.

00:05:24.060 Would you recommend cathedralization?

00:05:27.000 Cynically considered, the track record is at least not bad.

00:05:30.220 That planetary domination isn't to be sniffed at.

00:05:33.860 So at the beginning, we're looking at this thought experiment and saying, okay, obviously right now we hate the current regime.

00:05:39.860 We're not a fan of what it's doing.

00:05:41.400 And the fact that the cathedral, this mind control device, this control of public opinion on a regular basis is the core of the power.

00:05:50.680 If we wanted them to succeed, do we think that the cathedral model is itself a great way to secure power?

00:05:57.620 And Len says at the beginning, well, obviously it has some kind of advantage because it did dominate the world.

00:06:03.680 It has conquered at least the Western world in large part, which I think many people living in kind of the American satellite states right now can kind of attest to. 0.84

00:06:13.380 One of the things that you pointed out, Prudentials here, which I do think is a good point before we get deeper, is he says here, suggestions in this direction are not unknown, even in the XenoSystems comment thread.

00:06:23.200 You know, so much of what we're doing here is looking at political theory that was mainly done online in blogs and chat boards and these kind of things.

00:06:31.360 And so much of this has been lost, as you were pointing out.

00:06:35.060 It's very interesting that I think a lot of the most important political theory that has been done for several years was done in this environment, not in your traditional academic environment.

00:06:45.040 And on top of that, we've lost a large amount of it because so much of this was an interactive conversation.

00:06:50.600 Guys like Land and Spandrel and Yarvin were critical nodes, but they were not everything.

00:06:57.320 Yeah, I mean, there's countless memes or talking points that get lost in the ether when these blogs or forums die down.

00:07:05.240 And it's sort of funny that the wonderful world of iFunny has turned into this library of Alexandria of forgotten tweets and essays by people that have been banned from Twitter for years or have, you know, given up the digital ghost, so to speak.

00:07:19.440 And again, we don't have access to this.

00:07:21.120 And I mean, if someone does have, you know, some records or some screenshots, by all means, share it, because when people say jokingly, oh, some obscure basket weaving forum, I mean, that could be anywhere from 4chan to some forum where, you know, some of the most influential writers and bloggers and posters of our time used to meet and talk regularly.

00:07:37.500 And that just doesn't exist anymore.

00:07:39.460 But I mean, this is a fun little thought experiment of, well, how can I recommend cathedralization?

00:07:44.560 Can I recommend the managerial process of the total state to the, you know, some future dictator of the world?

00:07:52.560 Like, well, if you want to take over the world, this is a pretty good system.

00:07:55.460 Just look at the West.

00:07:56.180 Yeah, I think it's interesting, you know, if you go to like Washington, D.C. or some of these areas where the country was really founded, you see that they have these different buildings with plaques on them.

00:08:07.580 Well, different founding fathers met here to discuss this or that, you know, will be hilarious if someday if we need like a plaque on a given forum, you know, like at some point, the minds of that informed this political system all met on this chat board.

00:08:21.780 So digital, digital drinking houses for you to discuss your your political thoughts on.

00:08:30.520 All right.

00:08:30.700 So back to our reading here, it says the cathedral or like you said, you know, that we could substitute the total state if people prefer that defined with this question in mind is a summation of politics into propaganda.

00:08:43.240 It tends as it develops to convert all administrative problems into public relation challenges, a solution, actual actual or perspective is a successful management of perception.

00:08:57.200 So this is very interesting because, you know, in in Leviathan and its enemies, Sam Francis focuses a lot on the desire of the managerial class to turn everything into an administrative problem.

00:09:09.780 Right. So things that originally were in the domain of kind of the venture capitalist or even in, say, the legal realm get transferred into these managerial realms where that that that's where it actually gets adjudicated.

00:09:27.000 Something like arbitration as opposed to official legal procedures where we turn things that are outside of the managerial solution into a managerial problem.

00:09:38.360 So the managerial class can have controls control over all of these spheres of society.

00:09:44.540 And what Land is pointing out here is it's in many ways, the cathedral is taking things that were an administrative problem and turning them into purely problems of public relations.

00:09:57.020 We take all political problems and they stop being even of administrative process and become primarily about what we can sell to the public.

00:10:06.520 And while that aspect of our country is also operated largely by people we would identify inside the managerial elite, the specific concentration of solutions into this exact formula is very interesting because it has important implications for the way that our leaders develop solutions and apply solutions.

00:10:27.740 Yeah. Yeah. And I think one of the important things to consider, too, especially in the United States and I mean, the UK to some extent as well.

00:10:35.520 But I think that the nature of how our country is demographically plays into it as well is that the matter of public relations is now purely a numbers game.

00:10:45.100 I mean, this is the how you get new people to adopt into your value system that may actually be antithetical to the nation's original stock or to the beliefs that had been traditionally considered American to begin with.

00:10:57.100 I mean, Gustav Le Bon wrote, you know, in the wisdom about the wisdom of crowds, the crowd, depending on your translation of it.

00:11:04.380 I mean, he writes that these institutions, you know, their belief system, their ideas are a natural part of the country or a population as natural as their hair color and so on.

00:11:14.340 And so when you see an adoption of these new ideas that come out of there that can seem either completely foreign or are definitely, say, you know, like the post World War II American right is far more Germanic and Catholic than, say, it's more Anglo and Protestant, you know, pre-war counterparts.

00:11:30.580 And you're witnessing like the changing of these ideas. And as these ideas change out, you're also witnessing the change of what kind of people that are trying to appeal to.

00:11:39.480 I mean, it does. Tim Waltz is a good example of this, because even though he is a white guy, he's putting on a minstrel show of what a dorky white progressive looks like.

00:11:49.000 I mean, they literally just did a video today about how he doesn't like spice.

00:11:52.740 You know, he's a mayonnaise kind of guy. He doesn't like pepper or anything like that.

00:11:56.020 I mean, just sort of the most blatant sort of like anti-white tropes that you can imagine being put out there for the purpose of how do we get these PR solutions out there?

00:12:04.780 This is a campaign of vibes, the live, laugh, love stuff.

00:12:09.220 And it's less about policy like it was even when Hillary Clinton was running for president in 2016 or even Joe Biden.

00:12:15.360 It's no longer a matter of the adults are back in charge. It's about feeling good.

00:12:20.220 It's about doing so. It doesn't matter what the solution is or that your idea of a solution is price controls in a grocery store like this is Brezhnev era Soviet reforms.

00:12:29.860 It's about telling people that it's actually OK.

00:12:32.880 And we saw this earlier where I know you and I don't like it.

00:12:35.540 Well, I don't know if you don't like him, but I mean, I cat turns a boomer.

00:12:38.720 But I mean, he was talking about the price of groceries and you had these regime apparatchiks quote tweeting this guy.

00:12:44.700 And anyone who was agreeing with him saying actually inflation isn't that bad, the price of groceries are not that high, despite the fact that the data tells us quite clearly you need to be making eleven thousand more dollars a year to keep up with inflation from just four years ago.

00:13:00.360 So everything being a PR solution, everything about being gaslit, that you are actually not feeling the truth, you're just feeling bad because you have bias or racism or something, tells you that this whole regime that we're dealing with in America is to placate people with this society of spectacle type deal like the board would write about.

00:13:21.200 And so distract you from like crumbling infrastructure, the national debt or immigration out of control, and instead make you feel good as we watch these guys dance or pose in their pheasant hunting outfits as if they're authentic ruralites or something.

00:13:35.520 Yeah, the hyperreality plays into a lot of this because you're correct in how important Tim Waltz's role is here.

00:13:44.340 He is supposed to be the white guy, right, that makes it like, oh, you know, the torch has been handed over, he's okay, you know, I forget which leftist was on MSNBC saying the whole point of this is just to show old white men that having a black woman boss is preferable. 0.75

00:14:03.680 You know, he's doing all of these things like talking about the spice or having the real tree camo hat, but they're all caricatures of what some middle class grilling, you know, kind of boomer dad would do.

00:14:16.680 None of it is actually lived.

00:14:18.220 None of it actually reflects many of the things, you know, people coming from that background would care about. 0.88

00:14:24.560 In fact, a large amount of the entire program is aimed to eliminate a lot of the people that Tim Waltz is supposed to talk about, at least politically.

00:14:33.680 That make them politically irrelevant.

00:14:36.020 And so it's really about saying, well, just just take the shot, you know, just just kind of, you know, kind of kind of slowly lull off.

00:14:42.920 It's not a big problem.

00:14:43.900 You know, your time was has come and gone and you just need to go ahead and be a part of this rotation, this process.

00:14:50.240 You know, and here are all the things that, yes, we're we're putting kind of this old white guy in here into this VP slot, but he's really here to be a character of what other people think about, like what a white old man would be.

00:15:04.300 Not what they actually are, not what they actually care about, not what interests they actually represent.

00:15:09.680 Yeah, I mean, when Spandrel wrote in bio-Leninism that like white guys can still be in the system, they just have to pray to the great Zimbabwe five times a day. 0.78

00:15:17.820 What Tim Waltz is doing on this campaign trail, what he tweets, what videos they put out, that's what praying to the great Zimbabwe looks like.

00:15:24.580 And it's important to consider that the future of all politics in this, you know, fracturing, crazy demographic situation in the United States, if you're on the left and you're a white guy, that's your role model is to be a joke, to be laughed at, be humiliated, and to be on board with this progressive ticket as the most incompetent people continue to run this country to the ground.

00:15:43.580 Your job is to be the dumb father in the sitcom, right?

00:15:48.060 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:49.420 That's what you're standing in for here.

00:15:51.320 All right, let's read a little bit more of the essay.

00:15:53.900 Okay, Land says,

00:15:55.080 For the mature cathedral, a crisis takes the consistent form, this looks bad.

00:16:02.000 It is not merely stupid, as Spandrel recently observes in comments on power.

00:16:07.620 Quote,

00:16:07.940 Power isn't born out of the barrel of a gun.

00:16:10.180 Power is born out of the ability to have people with guns do what you tell them to do, end quote.

00:16:14.700 The question of legitimacy is, in a real sense, fundamental, when politics sets the boundaries of the cosmos under consideration.

00:16:22.900 So, cathedralism is also the hypertrophy of politics to the point where reality outside of it loses all credibility.

00:16:31.860 So, this is a really critical sentence.

00:16:34.420 In fact, this paragraph is the whole reason I wanted to read this essay, as short as it is.

00:16:40.800 It's this understanding that when it comes to legitimacy, at this point, the cathedral, the total state, has gained such a hegemony on what people are allowed to think of that those things outside of the Overton window,

00:16:58.380 those things that are no longer defined as discussable and acceptable inside this rhetorical frame, they don't just, they're not just banned, they're not just impolite to talk about.

00:17:09.200 They literally stop to exist for a lot of people.

00:17:12.460 If the media is not bringing this forward, if it's not constantly putting it under consideration for dialectical reconstruction, it simply isn't important.

00:17:21.960 And you can see this, especially with the Trump assassination or the attempted Trump assassination, right?

00:17:28.080 It's not just, it's not that they censored Trump out of existence.

00:17:32.580 It's not like you can't talk about this.

00:17:34.260 You're not going to get banned off Twitter or even, you know, Facebook maybe, actually.

00:17:37.780 I've heard Facebook's actually pretty wild on this.

00:17:40.640 You can talk about it on YouTube, at least for the minute now.

00:17:43.640 Knock on wood, you know, whatever, pray to whatever censorship gods we need to.

00:17:47.380 But it's not so much that he was censored out of existence or this event was censored out of existence, but it has simply been moved outside of the focus of the cathedral, outside of this window of discussion.

00:18:02.760 They just stopped talking about it.

00:18:05.260 And because conservative media is so reciprocally dependent on whatever topic the left is focusing on, if it disappears out of the left frame, then it disappears out of the entire media sphere.

00:18:17.860 And once it's out of the media sphere, it just ceases to exist.

00:18:21.420 Yeah, in reality, it's somewhere, but it is basically dropped off the conceptual radar and therefore it no longer factors in to this battle of perception and ideas when it comes to the propaganda control of the wider voting base.

00:18:37.640 Yeah, and again, the perception matters a lot, specifically only to its adherence.

00:18:43.120 If you're not on board with it by now, you're probably not going to be.

00:18:46.860 But it doesn't particularly matter if you don't believe in what they're saying, but if your most hardcore, adherent, zealous believers are on board with the messaging, then that's all that matters to them because they're going to go along with whatever the regime tells them to do.

00:19:01.680 The people with the guns are going to buy into the perception or, more importantly, enforce that public relation image that they're trying to put on board.

00:19:08.920 So it does not matter, for instance, what we saw in Britain, that people who are legitimately concerned and would not consider themselves far right at all.

00:19:17.580 I mean, there were literally posters out there that said, I'm not far right.

00:19:20.980 I'm just a father saying that, you know, what obviously happened in Southport is a travesty and an insult and a betrayal to the British people.

00:19:29.760 It doesn't matter because to anyone who is an adherent to the regime and its beliefs and its state religion, that person is a far right, you know, English Defense League member, despite the fact that EDL hasn't been around for over like 10 years.

00:19:42.140 And so any sort of management of this perception is really for its adherence.

00:19:45.840 And the nice thing about progressivism, especially how it works in the Western world, in the United States particularly, is if you want new adherence to your religion, you import them.

00:19:54.260 Because obviously your people aren't having kids because your cities are IQ shredders, they don't want to have children, and everything that comes on board just means more immigration. 0.97

00:20:03.500 And so that means more adherence, more believers, and they're going to do that.

00:20:06.640 I mean, another example of the sort of like cultural PR management, consider in the last like five years, there's more than just two movies.

00:20:15.100 So the two biggest ones that come to my head are, they have a Flaming Hot Cheetos biopic about the product, just the product, which of course is heavily oriented towards Hispanics, that's not based on the truth of it.

00:20:26.400 And then you have that Air Jordans, Amazon film, which I think had Matt Damon and a few others in it.

00:20:32.500 And it's basically just the worship of the popular culture.

00:20:35.340 So it doesn't matter that you're on board with the progressive messaging, because what you're seeing in these films are cultural messaging towards new people saying, America's just products.

00:20:44.660 America is product, it's an economic zone, it doesn't matter what you are, as long as you laugh at the dorky white guy dad like Tim Waltz, and you are on board with every progressive policy, and we're going to import millions of you more into the story, then it all works out for us.

00:20:59.060 It's that management of perceptions, it's the, really, in a lot of ways, I do think that it would be good in the future to sort of go over the society of spectacle, just because the PR aspect is the spectacle.

00:21:11.060 And then in the background, you know, these unelected bureaucrats are flying in all these migrants into like Iowa or Minnesota and places like that.

00:21:19.780 And it's the perfect distraction, as long as you feel good, it doesn't matter how many kids get stabbed, because the adherence to that state religion will say that it was a good thing.

00:21:27.840 And it was, you know, not all group X or whatever, just part and parcel of living in a multi ethnic democracy.

00:21:34.680 Absolutely.

00:21:35.540 Yeah.

00:21:35.780 So one of the things that I think is also important, talking about kind of that cultural hegemony that you are referencing here, is the way in which it gets washed out to the lowest common denominator.

00:21:45.980 You know, you talk about the Cheetos, you talk about the sneakers, and when history is basically off limits, unless it's completely reconstructed into this progressive narrative, when culture that is part of our tradition here in the United States becomes off limits, because it might offend newcomers.

00:22:06.980 Newcomers, they're not attached to it, they're not a part of it, then the only thing left to become culture, to become the kind of the common frame of reality that the people of the United States are chose to share, really only becomes these corporate symbols.

00:22:24.860 And this is, and this is, again, to reference Sam Francis, a point he makes a lot in Leviathan and its enemies, is that wokeness is critical to the managerial elite.

00:22:36.780 It's not an accident.

00:22:37.760 It's not just a thing that power decided to play with, as long as it was advantageous and is ready to throw it away.

00:22:44.000 No, they need that hedonistic, cosmopolitan form of culture.

00:22:49.840 It's the only thing that is the lowest common denominator to allow a maximum adoption across cultures.

00:22:55.520 And so you wear away all these particular stories, particular histories, particular customs, and you reduce everything down into these corporate signifiers.

00:23:05.280 And this becomes the only shared language that you have.

00:23:08.500 And that, again, really drops these other issues out of reality, because the new immigrants, new populations coming in, the only thing they share with the established population is those corporate signifiers.

00:23:22.620 That becomes the only thing that they know how to discuss together.

00:23:25.880 And all of the history, all of these other things fall away.

00:23:28.960 So that really only backs up even more significantly, Land's claim here, that the things that are no longer brought under kind of the rule of the consensus-making apparatus, the things that don't exist inside the total state's frame, simply in many ways cease to exist for a large amount of the population.

00:23:46.800 Because they don't have the history, and they don't have the reference points to even draw on the stuff that you and I know we're kind of missing, while still ending up getting blasted with kind of this constant slop of this wide cultural hegemonization.

00:24:00.300 Yeah, and I think that this is, there's another essay in this collection that I think it's called specifically Cathedral Decay, because he says the biggest thing that the total state or the regime or the system has to worry about is disintermediation.

00:24:14.460 So non-regime-approved platforms or voices, I mean, you yourself would be an example, or myself included, you know, we're not the Walter Cronkites of the world, we're not the Dan Rathers, we're not Chris Promo or whatever.

00:24:29.060 And so because we're offering an alternative narrative that is damaging to the regime, because outside of reality, or the reality put out by the system of the total state, you know, the adherents aren't, you know, they're not ever going to hear us.

00:24:43.100 So we're speaking from two different languages, two different political theologies, two different everything.

00:24:48.040 Yarvin had that idea of the two-story state, which he never finished.

00:24:51.820 So color me shocked that he's actually putting out something for his book that he said he was going to put out.

00:24:56.320 But it does illustrate, I think, in a lot of ways that what we're witnessing, of course, is that who has the ability to tell those with guns what the truth actually is.

00:25:06.180 And that's really why when you look at this, you're like, well, how can anyone believe what they're putting out?

00:25:10.800 Well, I mean, there are people that, you know, religiously watched all of the Rachel Maddow stuff when Trump was in office about Russia and the Mueller report, the whole Mueller she wrote thing.

00:25:21.140 Like there were people who are so adamantly on board with opposing anything that is moderately to the right.

00:25:28.080 And I mean, Trump is very much moderate in a lot of regards, although he has moved the Overton window much further to the right than, you know, what the GOP was even for him.

00:25:35.920 And it's important to consider that in this sort of perception, PR management thing, the biggest thing that I think is also important to talk about is the CRS, the Community Relations Service teams that we put out.

00:25:49.140 Anytime that there's an obviously racially motivated shooting or some kind of attack on a white person that they go out there to ensure that, you know, they tell you not to look back in anger.

00:25:58.560 The same thing happens in the United Kingdom with these stabbings or asset attacks and time and time and time again, it is done to make sure that the people who are clearly the target of this regime, which is, you know, Americans, predominantly white Christian voting, Republican voting Americans.

00:26:16.660 Those people don't get an opportunity to say, well, no, clearly you guys are just targeting me.

00:26:22.120 So if that perception, that PR, which they literally have part of the DOJ, I think it's with the Civil Rights Division, are all out there telling you, you know, with the force of a gun, with the force of making your life difficult, you're going to be on board with this like anti-racist messaging or life's going to be very difficult for you.

00:26:38.800 So then obviously, like the PR stuff is just the velvet glove that holds the gun.

00:26:44.960 All right, back to our essay here.

00:26:47.840 Is your civilization decaying?

00:26:49.660 Then you need to persuade people that it's not.

00:26:52.300 There's something that describes our situation now.

00:26:55.960 I don't know what it is.

00:26:57.700 If there still seems to be a mismatch between the problem and solution here,

00:27:02.020 cathedralism has not entirely consumed your brain.

00:27:04.760 To speculate confidently further, you're not a senior power broker in a modern Western state.

00:27:11.640 You're even, from a certain perspective, a fossil.

00:27:14.740 So it points out here that one of the things that the cathedral is doing is covering over the fact that the system is itself dying,

00:27:22.780 which, as you pointed out, is another essay that I think we actually did an episode on before.

00:27:27.760 So people can go back and check that episode about cathedral and decay if they'd like, if they'd like to get more on that specific essay.

00:27:35.500 But one of the most important things, the mode that gets switched over here, is that it's not just about controlling the people.

00:27:43.240 It's about making sure that they don't realize that the regime can't output the material promises that it had made previously.

00:27:50.140 At least before, when the cathedral was pumping out a large amount of propaganda,

00:27:54.020 that propaganda was layered on a relatively prosperous, relatively...

00:27:59.500 When does fast grocery delivery through Instacart matter most?

00:28:04.240 When your famous grainy mustard potato salad isn't so famous without the grainy mustard.

00:28:09.100 When the barbecue's lit, but there's nothing to grill.

00:28:11.760 When the in-laws decide that, actually, they will stay for dinner.

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00:28:28.480 Groceries that over-deliver.

00:28:31.820 It's the type of society people would want to live in materially, if not spiritually, for a certain amount of time.

00:28:39.080 But that is no longer the case.

00:28:41.640 We see this now.

00:28:43.720 Our candidates are arguing over how much more income or how much child tax credit can they get on there to finally get people to have kids.

00:28:52.500 Maybe we get some Soviet price controls in there to make sure that the food is something we can afford.

00:29:00.040 Giving everyone a $25,000 down payment on their first home.

00:29:05.060 I'm not an economist, but from what I understand, if every single person all looking for the same commodity suddenly receives an infusion of money of the exact same amount,

00:29:16.700 then the increase of price of that commodity will more or less be equal to the amount that they were handed.

00:29:23.060 Probably more, actually, because it spirals out.

00:29:25.280 So just, you know, these are all insane solutions.

00:29:27.980 They don't really make a lot of sense in the long run, but as long as the entire discussion is really being had as a PR discussion and nobody, you know,

00:29:38.460 none of these high-time preference voters can really evaluate the consequences of any of the problems that would be raised by these solutions,

00:29:47.000 then you can just continue to put out these completely, these propositions that are completely unattached to reality.

00:29:54.380 And interestingly, he points out here that, you know, if you're not attached, if any of these questions even come up to you,

00:30:01.140 that means you're not really part of the ruling class.

00:30:04.500 You're not really dealing power at the highest level.

00:30:06.760 Because in order to deal into the power at the highest level, you basically have to have bought in as significantly as possible to the matrix.

00:30:13.640 You need to be as completely emerged in as possible, which means you wouldn't even recognize the problems that are being created by the solutions you're talking about.

00:30:22.140 Yeah, and I think that the best example of this, and again, those tweets lost to time.

00:30:26.640 It gets reposted every now and then.

00:30:28.640 But, you know, on the left, if you're a leftist, like, you can disagree on some of these, like, economic issues or the size of government or whatever.

00:30:36.320 But if you're not really on board with, you know, mass immigration, transgenderism, child mutilation and sacrifice, and you disagree on one of those things, you're considered anathema.

00:30:46.940 And, I mean, that's the perfect example of it.

00:30:48.580 Like, if you don't buy into every single thing or if you don't performatively buy into it for every single, you know, progressive value plank, then you are outside of the system.

00:30:58.220 And if you're like us, who don't believe in any of this and recognize what it is, which is a threat to civilization and humankind's existence, especially Western kind existence, then all of a sudden you realize that, oh, yeah, I'm nowhere near the annals of power or the levers that are going to control the world economy and so on and so forth.

00:31:16.060 Back to our essay here.

00:31:46.040 So he's saying that as long as the issue can be fully resolved through the application of propaganda, then the cathedral system works, right?

00:32:03.120 Because it is a master of this particular application of power.

00:32:07.740 And that's why every crisis is really a crisis of public relations.

00:32:16.500 Everything falls under this banner.

00:32:18.680 You don't actually look for the effective solution.

00:32:21.300 You're not really looking for how to solve this problem long term or what the policy decisions are, what administrative adjustments need to be made.

00:32:31.500 The crisis is the crisis that the resolution, the crisis exists because there is a public relations problem and the crisis is resolved once a public relations solution has been reached.

00:32:43.240 None of the details about policies proposed, legislations passed, application of real power really matters in that discussion or even once it's resolved.

00:32:53.800 The crisis exists entirely in the realm of public relations and whatever happens outside of that is really inconsequential to the way that power is being wielded inside the cathedral's system.

00:33:09.220 Yeah, I think the propaganda limit here is the important part of it because if all things, if your ability to respond is the crisis, I mean, that shows, you know, we've seen that multiple times in both, you know, the quote unquote Biden administration where Biden will say something and then quickly the press team has to come out and issue a correction and go forth to it.

00:33:30.480 There's no actual ability to effectively respond to these crises and in doing so, you know, this is when the propaganda blitz comes out.

00:33:37.620 It's about vibes. It's about feels. We're going to solve these issues. We're going to stand with this.

00:33:42.080 And it's the same kind of social media slacktivism that often gets criticized as far back as like Tony 2012 about how to actually address issues and problems to, you know, sort of build off of this aspect of propaganda.

00:33:55.340 You know, I mentioned Gustave Lebon earlier about the crowd. A critic of his, Elias Kennedy, wrote a book called Crowds in Power, I think it was 1960.

00:34:05.200 And one of the things in that text talks about is that ruling, i.e. being an actual power, is very closely associated with paranoia.

00:34:13.440 Like they're just interlinked in that regard. So you have to constantly be able to get the crowd on your side or to have some sort of external or even internal threat

00:34:22.480 in order to make sure that they don't go after you, the ruling class, the people in charge.

00:34:28.060 And in doing so, I think that we kind of see this happen here right now is that as long as there is some kind of enemy that you can put out, you know, very Schmittian in that sense,

00:34:37.940 your propaganda will be targeted, highly specific, moving out where, you know, in America with our academic system,

00:34:44.600 this feels very 2015, 2014 to talk about it, but the left's coalition, that intersectional framework works so well

00:34:52.760 because everyone has to buy in to everyone else's progressive nonsense in order for their cause to be heard.

00:34:59.440 It does not matter that you are a single issue voter on the issue of like industrial farming and animal cruelty or something like that.

00:35:06.200 Like you're a PETA donator. That's your main political issue.

00:35:08.620 It does not matter anymore because now you have to believe in gay race communism. 0.99

00:35:12.980 You now have to believe in the extermination of a national people and ethnos.

00:35:17.320 You now have to do all these things that might be even antithetical to your own personal beliefs

00:35:20.740 because that's what it means to be a good progressive and to be part of the system.

00:35:25.020 And so now the crisis in itself is how do I, as people who clearly should not be in power

00:35:30.140 and very much like that Solzhenitsyn thing, they're lying.

00:35:32.880 We know that they're lying and they know that we know that they're lying.

00:35:35.400 How do we manage to stay on charge of things?

00:35:37.560 And that is to ensure that there is vitriol, that there is an animus,

00:35:41.960 and that any time that there is a crisis, we can effectively point to a scapegoat,

00:35:46.000 very Girardian in that way, that we can say you are the problem, you are the threat, 1.00

00:35:50.080 and we will take care of you and we will take, you know, our Barabbas,

00:35:54.340 we will take our George Floyds of the world and we will make sure that the Rittenhouses,

00:35:59.080 the Kyle Pennys, the Daniel Perrys of the world are put in prison

00:36:03.180 because you are the threat despite the fact that you are the very people who've been here since the beginning

00:36:07.580 and you are the economic engine that keeps this economic zone afloat.

00:36:11.320 And I mean, that's the power of propaganda is that propaganda tied with mass migration,

00:36:16.900 tied with economic policies that, again, explicitly reward your own friend group.

00:36:21.760 We've seen this with countless statistics that almost all of the jobs under the Biden administration

00:36:26.820 has either gone to foreign-born workers or recently naturalized Americans

00:36:30.720 and not, you know, actual U.S. citizens or people born here.

00:36:35.000 And so you have a system that propagates the idea, oh, the economy is doing great,

00:36:38.460 but the actual Americans are like, well, no, that isn't the case at all.

00:36:41.620 But we know that in a system of propaganda and a system of crises,

00:36:45.400 what matters is, you know, rewarding, ensuring that your core believers don't turn on you,

00:36:50.800 and that when there are crises to respond to, I mean, the whole Israel-Gaza conflict inside the left

00:36:57.000 has been a great example of this, is that you find a way to get everyone back on board and on messaging.

00:37:03.080 Christopher Ruffo pointed this out a few months ago about this very issue,

00:37:06.500 that it doesn't matter that a lot of these guys on the left are, you know, being anti-Israel or whatever.

00:37:12.900 Their point is, is that even if you're anti-Israel or in genocide,

00:37:17.640 is that the curriculums that these schools are putting out will say, you know,

00:37:22.480 Jewish people with white skin getting treated fairly in there.

00:37:24.740 It goes back immediately to the American racial progressivism,

00:37:28.840 that the white guy is the enemy.

00:37:30.340 We have to redirect it in that sense.

00:37:32.640 And so all of a sudden, the progressive, you know, crises of narrative control

00:37:36.680 comes right back into everything that you talk about in your book,

00:37:41.300 everything that this essay talks about, that managed perception of reality to your most

00:37:46.760 adherent to zealous believers, your clients, that says,

00:37:50.380 if you're not with me, then outside of the world is 1950 and life is over for you.

00:37:57.100 Yeah, you can really see the swarm reform around this, right?

00:38:01.140 Like, oh, well, some aspect of the coalition is a rough edge.

00:38:05.220 Well, how do we do this?

00:38:06.340 We realign in a way to make sure that it still fits into this, like,

00:38:10.480 it's all the white colonialism that's the real problem.

00:38:13.400 If there are any Jewish people that we have a problem with inside the leftist coalition,

00:38:18.500 it's only the ones that fall under this rubric.

00:38:20.860 And you could still be an ally.

00:38:22.120 You could still be one of the good ones.

00:38:23.460 You can still hold your place as a Tim Waltz, you know.

00:38:27.560 And so they make sure, you know, I guess the vouchers of the world need somewhere to go. 0.75

00:38:33.520 Well, I mean, that's such a great point.

00:38:35.580 This is about the ally model.

00:38:37.680 It's just that what is Tim Waltz other than trying to act as the progressive role model for,

00:38:43.140 like, the, yeah, the role model for white male progressives.

00:38:46.360 Because if you look at every major white male progressive leading figure,

00:38:50.480 you've witnessed that even if they have any sort of valid economic complaint,

00:38:54.560 like Bernie Sanders is a good example.

00:38:56.360 I mean, like, a lot of, like, white progressives and leftists loved him.

00:38:59.760 I mean, there's a whole Bernie bro thing.

00:39:01.040 And you had the chop of the trap house guys just, like, go to war and basically worship 0.93

00:39:05.280 this guy like some kind of deity.

00:39:07.320 And at the end of it all, like, you know, you're talking about reforming an economic system

00:39:11.880 for a group of people that the regime doesn't particularly care about.

00:39:16.460 You know, like, no one really cares about white male progressives,

00:39:18.700 because they're going to get on board with us and vote blue no matter who at the end of the day.

00:39:21.780 And our real patronage network, usually non-white immigrant groups or African Americans,

00:39:26.560 that's already in your Democratic voting bloc.

00:39:28.600 Why reform the system?

00:39:29.960 And so when you see Tim Walts go up there performing this, like, Al Johnson-style minstrel show

00:39:35.800 that is advocating for his own destruction of people that look like him in the United States,

00:39:41.260 you're witnessing the PR campaign spin in a very cringe, in a very millennial,

00:39:47.000 it's a very white female millennial coded. 0.95

00:39:48.960 Very much so.

00:39:50.100 This is the most millennial political campaign I've ever seen in my entire life.

00:39:53.600 And what they're saying to white male progressives who are, like,

00:39:57.020 the white dudes for Harris thing, you are telling people to get on board with a candidate

00:40:01.300 that has made it abundantly clear that they hate you,

00:40:03.900 that has made it abundantly clear that it doesn't matter what your objections are,

00:40:06.620 like, the white guys are on board.

00:40:08.020 This is our form of progressive masculinity.

00:40:10.120 It's not toxic.

00:40:11.120 You don't want to be a chud, now do you? 1.00

00:40:13.140 So get on board.

00:40:14.020 Get on board and be the avatar and the, you know, parody kind of clown show for your own destruction.

00:40:21.660 You know, I don't have the addiction to it that Dave the Distributist has,

00:40:25.860 where he just has to watch Breadtubes and leftists all the time.

00:40:28.760 But from time to time, because I do want to grasp a decent amount of theory,

00:40:33.360 I will listen to or check in on some of these, like, Marxist theory cell guys who are putting out videos,

00:40:39.720 because I want to grasp something that, unfortunately, you know, right-wingers just have not grappled with.

00:40:46.480 And the most consistent thing that you find is that these guys are so desperately in denial

00:40:51.280 about what's gluing their coalition together.

00:40:54.380 And even the ones that recognize that they've basically been discarded,

00:40:59.220 that they're on the trash heap of history inside their own movement,

00:41:02.580 and they're just finding a way to kind of move through this.

00:41:05.980 But even those guys, they still have this delusion that people are actually going to organize cross-culturally on class.

00:41:16.820 And it's just like there has been – if there's one thing you should have learned through history

00:41:22.040 and especially, you know, through the last few decades, is this is just never coming.

00:41:26.820 And it's funny because a lot of people on the right are trying to do this now, right?

00:41:29.960 Like the multi-ethnic working coalition thing is supposed to be the big right-wing solution as well

00:41:37.500 for some of the populist economic guys.

00:41:40.000 But the problem is, like, consistently over and over again,

00:41:43.060 we see that even the left, who pretends like this is their organizational access,

00:41:47.320 routinely returns to identity, ethnicity, like these things,

00:41:51.920 because it recognizes that these are just the most powerful poles for actually moving the levers of people

00:41:58.020 to get their perception set, to pull them into the system.

00:42:01.700 Even though ultimately it's going to wear away the particularities of these cultures,

00:42:04.980 even though that's the goal is to eventually wash away all of the things that it actually means

00:42:09.600 to be a part of these identities, it's still using them as the organizing principle.

00:42:14.860 So even in this, like, incredibly washed-out, diluted form,

00:42:19.660 this is still just a much more powerful shelling point than class is ever going to be.

00:42:25.680 And to watch these guys kind of drowning in this,

00:42:29.240 because they can never recognize, they can never admit it,

00:42:31.980 that the Bernie future is still going to be the thing that kind of welds the left together

00:42:37.000 is just sad, but also hilarious simultaneously.

00:42:41.200 I mean, this isn't to say that class doesn't exist in America.

00:42:43.840 I mean, it clearly very much does, but the class discussion in America also was

00:42:48.240 far more prominent and prevalent when America was far more homogenous.

00:42:51.640 I mean, a funny example of this would just be, like, what the WHO has done.

00:42:55.180 They've declared monkeypox to be this, like, epidemical problem,

00:42:58.140 but they've changed the name to impox, as if to avoid offending Africans being the most racist move

00:43:02.780 of all that they could do, just showing you how this PR campaign-style thing works.

00:43:06.800 But it does illustrate that even for people who are in these, like, you know,

00:43:10.220 actually a perfect example is, and I'm going full bore on him,

00:43:13.500 and I've done it before, but, like, Sourabh Amari is the perfect example of this.

00:43:17.100 Like, you know, he will talk about, you know, the workers and how bad things are for them.

00:43:22.040 He wrote a whole book on it, you know, Tyranny, Inc.,

00:43:24.200 and yet at the same time, he won't acknowledge the basic fact of the matter

00:43:27.940 that historically scabs and strikebreakers that were not unionized

00:43:32.900 would be brought in from other ethnic groups.

00:43:35.380 Or, more recently, during the pandemic, and even still to this day,

00:43:40.040 Whole Foods, which is owned by Amazon, uses heat maps of the demographics of their stores

00:43:46.060 and tries to keep them as diverse as possible to prevent unionization

00:43:50.400 and to prevent workers from organizing against actual economic malpractice by their employers.

00:43:56.800 And so, again, all these things that we talk about, like, oh, it's economics,

00:44:00.380 oh, it's about class.

00:44:01.820 No, even the regime knows that they can spin this to be about identity,

00:44:05.880 about ethnicity, about racial and religion,

00:44:09.340 bring it back together to keep them against the other.

00:44:13.440 And, I mean, also, it's an effective tool to mask actual issues that are affecting it,

00:44:18.040 even on the right side of politics as well.

00:44:20.760 I mean, in the United Kingdom, like, yes, you can make this an Islam question out there,

00:44:24.680 as some have already done.

00:44:25.580 But what this is, above all else, is a simple immigration and civilizational problem.

00:44:30.860 You cannot bring people who are antithetical to your pre-existing civilization 1.00

00:44:34.920 and then say that we're going to manage, and that's part and parcel of living in a big city.

00:44:39.640 But at the end of it all, if you make it only singularly about one issue, say Islam,

00:44:44.320 which is a very real threat to the West, regardless of the decayed Christianity inside of Western Europe 0.99

00:44:48.920 and America, you're still dealing with the fact that people are coming in at record rates.

00:44:53.940 Some of them are Islamic, some of them aren't.

00:44:56.120 Your ability to have good houses and safe neighborhoods in a place where everyone speaks English is slowly decaying, 1.00

00:45:01.680 and they're hunting for you, and they want every small piece of the shire to be as diverse as London.

00:45:07.340 And so it's not just one particular issue.

00:45:09.780 And, again, it's this whole PR and the spinning of perceived management.

00:45:14.240 I mean, one of the best parts of the open letter is when Jarvan talks about the manipulation of procedural events

00:45:20.080 to get a desired result.

00:45:21.160 It's the same thing that Nick is talking about here, where he's talking about the manipulation of perceptions

00:45:26.280 to get a desired vibe, essentially.

00:45:28.800 If that vibe is desired, and we all feel hunky-dory despite the fact that three white English children were stabbed,

00:45:34.280 then the regime is one.

00:45:35.900 And, clearly, Keir Starmer is going to slam down on them as hard as he possibly can.

00:45:40.300 And as you had talked about your show, I think, last week, I mean, what is happening in the United Kingdom

00:45:45.540 is the most, you know, real-life example you can pull of the total state that makes the American regime blush

00:45:51.100 in a lot of ways of what it wishes it could do to people like you and I.

00:45:54.400 Yeah, the level of just complete information control that they require to shut this down.

00:46:01.440 And, again, it's very interesting.

00:46:03.200 Yes, the police are being deployed.

00:46:05.120 Yes, you know, he did talk about having a standing army of these guys, that kind of stuff.

00:46:09.320 But, ultimately, this is a battle of information in the U.K.,

00:46:12.520 making sure that certain words are censored or banned,

00:46:17.640 threatening platforms that if they don't do the censorship work of the government,

00:46:22.700 that they'll get thrown out,

00:46:24.080 making sure that people are terrified of even retweeting information

00:46:27.920 because the government might not like, you know, you don't need to actually post it.

00:46:31.500 You don't need to actually lie.

00:46:32.840 You just need to share something the government decides that they don't like,

00:46:35.240 and all of a sudden, you're toast.

00:46:36.800 This is all there because they recognize that the free flow of information

00:46:42.100 will allow people to understand what's actually happening,

00:46:45.440 and that is the most dangerous thing.

00:46:46.960 They need to handle perception.

00:46:49.000 No, things are fine.

00:46:50.600 We're not looking back in anger.

00:46:52.380 We're all moving on, just like we all moved on from the Trump shooting,

00:46:55.740 just like we all moved on from the shooting in Nashville

00:46:58.400 that left several children dead in a Christian school.

00:47:02.680 We're just moving on.

00:47:03.740 We just don't know anything about the motivations here.

00:47:05.760 We can't know more.

00:47:07.240 These are like natural disasters.

00:47:10.020 No one is responsible,

00:47:11.800 and so the most important thing is for the community to pull together,

00:47:15.180 and that is all possible because of this narrative control.

00:47:19.780 Same thing with the Kamala Harris campaign. 0.95

00:47:21.700 Kamala Harris is a deeply unlikable person.

00:47:23.780 She's an absolute disaster. 1.00

00:47:25.640 Everyone knew this for a very long time.

00:47:28.320 She was such a disaster,

00:47:29.360 even though she was supposed to be the heir apparent to Biden,

00:47:31.660 he was supposed to step down after one term.

00:47:33.740 She was so embarrassing.

00:47:35.280 Even going to children's events,

00:47:37.680 like doing high school or middle school events,

00:47:40.040 people were laughing at her because she was just so dumb, 1.00

00:47:43.400 and so she got shuffled over to the kids' table and still failed, 0.91

00:47:47.580 and so everyone knew this,

00:47:49.860 but all of a sudden the media comes out and says,

00:47:52.140 oh, no, actually she's a social media star.

00:47:54.260 Look, here's her dancing. 1.00

00:47:55.600 Here's people in a crowd somewhere,

00:47:57.320 and right-wingers buy it immediately, right?

00:48:00.520 This is the power of the PR battle,

00:48:02.640 is that even people on the right who should know better,

00:48:05.020 know all the media does is lie,

00:48:07.260 know that all they do is manipulate.

00:48:09.060 Even they immediately fall because if the cathedral is saying it,

00:48:12.080 if it's under this, then that is reality.

00:48:14.420 Nothing exists outside of it.

00:48:15.960 Everything exists inside of it.

00:48:18.260 You might have heard that quote somewhere before,

00:48:19.800 but this is really the understanding is events can only be real

00:48:24.860 to the extent at which they are inside the media cycle,

00:48:28.060 and if they are outside the media cycle,

00:48:29.880 they just aren't happening anymore.

00:48:31.960 But at the end of this essay,

00:48:33.740 Lan does point out that this model is failing here.

00:48:36.520 We'll read this last little bit.

00:48:38.420 If, however, imagine this if you can,

00:48:41.120 manipulation of the response to the crisis

00:48:43.120 is actually a suppression of the feedback

00:48:45.660 required to really tackle the crisis,

00:48:48.180 then an altogether different story is unfolding.

00:48:52.740 Is reality subordinated to the cathedral because,

00:48:56.220 and exactly so far as the people are,

00:48:59.260 that is the question.

00:49:00.800 And so what Nick is pointing out here is that

00:49:03.240 even if you have this constant and total ability

00:49:07.700 to manipulate the population through propaganda,

00:49:10.840 if ultimately all you are doing is suppressing the feedback

00:49:15.820 that in the real world would allow you to tackle

00:49:18.100 the crisis,

00:49:18.680 then you aren't actually solving any of these problems.

00:49:22.300 Yes, you are solving the PR problems,

00:49:23.960 but you are silencing people's ability to speak about it.

00:49:27.160 You are keeping information from getting outside

00:49:29.400 of the silos you've placed it in,

00:49:31.520 but you still aren't having this problem.

00:49:33.240 And this disconnect is why we're seeing a lot

00:49:35.220 of what is happening in the United States

00:49:37.160 and the wider Western world.

00:49:38.200 Why are we having the crisis of competency?

00:49:41.200 Why is the infrastructure breaking down?

00:49:43.940 Why, as you point out, Prudentialist,

00:49:47.220 are the solutions that are being offered

00:49:50.160 not actually delivering any material results

00:49:53.280 for the people who they say they are helping?

00:49:55.680 And the answer is that all of these,

00:49:57.600 as you say, are vibe solutions.

00:49:59.340 They are simply perception solutions.

00:50:01.340 They have been completely separated

00:50:03.460 from their real world application.

00:50:06.100 And as long as this feedback loop is closing on itself

00:50:10.180 and excluding the real world applications

00:50:14.860 of their solutions,

00:50:15.600 then you can go ahead and accelerate, right?

00:50:17.660 And this is what we see is we have a closed,

00:50:21.020 self-exciting feedback loop.

00:50:23.280 And so what we get is accelerationism for PR solutions.

00:50:27.340 So why not throw out price controls, right?

00:50:29.700 Everything is perception.

00:50:31.140 Everything is just,

00:50:32.000 we don't actually have to think about how economics works.

00:50:35.260 We don't really need to understand supply and demand

00:50:37.300 when it comes to housing.

00:50:38.140 We don't really need to understand

00:50:40.120 the well-being of people

00:50:41.240 because everything is a PR solution

00:50:43.100 and everything is solvable inside that framework.

00:50:45.000 If it can't be solved by the cathedral,

00:50:47.200 then it's just not real anymore.

00:50:49.500 But reality is impinging on that, right?

00:50:52.300 We keep seeing these problems cracking through.

00:50:55.240 And so even though the regime feels like

00:50:57.600 it's closed this feedback,

00:50:58.840 we can't get any more in there.

00:51:00.440 We don't really have to worry about these things.

00:51:02.320 It's also losing its ability to even interact

00:51:04.960 or recognize them

00:51:05.840 because the system is so self-contained

00:51:08.220 they can't take in any data from outside.

00:51:10.800 Even when planes aren't landing on time,

00:51:13.120 you're not getting products,

00:51:14.400 people can't find houses,

00:51:15.920 all these critical things.

00:51:17.660 Yeah, I think this is the perennial joke

00:51:20.280 that people like to make

00:51:21.180 because of how the media works.

00:51:22.420 This is that liberals just lack object permanence.

00:51:25.600 If the media is not talking about it,

00:51:27.300 it's like a six-month-old child.

00:51:29.700 Like if it disappears,

00:51:30.520 it just doesn't exist anymore.

00:51:32.380 And I mean, also the same thing

00:51:33.360 does happen on the right

00:51:34.460 and it has a big part and parcel

00:51:35.820 to how our own media ecosystems exist.

00:51:38.820 Twitter is great

00:51:39.580 and I'm glad that Elon Musk has it.

00:51:41.380 But at the same time,

00:51:42.140 because it's so monetized,

00:51:43.460 the most egregious slop

00:51:45.720 that is headline chasing,

00:51:47.440 like a crappy lawyer chasing an ambulance,

00:51:49.900 is going to be there at the top.

00:51:52.380 And some of the most important issues of our time

00:51:54.640 are going to get skipped over

00:51:56.040 for what makes a quick buck

00:51:57.260 and what does the biggest clicks

00:51:59.600 or the biggest amount of influence

00:52:00.980 that you can get online.

00:52:02.080 And so in the same way,

00:52:03.680 we all kind of fall into this fire

00:52:05.480 and forget sort of notion

00:52:06.800 of how the headlines work

00:52:08.160 despite the fact that things are still terrible.

00:52:11.620 I mean, Trump is on TikTok right now,

00:52:13.840 you know, talking about the price of goods

00:52:15.840 and everything.

00:52:16.960 And what do Libs respond with? 1.00

00:52:18.420 They respond to the same thing they did in 2020.

00:52:20.000 They brought back the quote-unquote treats discourse

00:52:22.000 that, you know, having bread,

00:52:23.560 that's just, those are treats.

00:52:24.960 You know, having a quality of life

00:52:26.560 that doesn't mean you get stabbed,

00:52:27.840 that you don't get robbed,

00:52:28.780 that's a treat.

00:52:29.380 You know, you don't need to worry about that.

00:52:31.540 Remember when the left was making fun

00:52:33.080 of that family for drinking milk?

00:52:35.360 And that was like their thing.

00:52:36.680 It was just like,

00:52:37.220 ah, the poor is want to be able to afford milk.

00:52:39.420 I'm glad that discourse just worked its way

00:52:41.600 right back around, right?

00:52:42.700 Like we're right back there.

00:52:44.540 We're right back to it.

00:52:45.820 And it's not going to go away either,

00:52:47.680 especially as the election boils up

00:52:50.080 and the people are talking about recession.

00:52:53.160 It's not going to go away.

00:52:54.220 But I think that really what this essay is

00:52:56.360 and if there's a corollary to what Land

00:52:58.860 or to what Curtis had written about

00:53:01.000 all those years ago

00:53:01.780 about the manipulation of procedural events

00:53:04.560 to get a desired outcome,

00:53:05.900 then what, you know,

00:53:07.100 Nick Land is writing about here

00:53:08.160 with like the total state

00:53:09.160 or the PR system and propaganda

00:53:10.660 is literally just the manipulation

00:53:13.240 of perceptions to get a desired vibe.

00:53:16.380 And that is exactly what Kamala Harris is. 1.00

00:53:18.280 That is exactly what the Starmer government

00:53:19.760 is doing in the United Kingdom.

00:53:20.860 That is what every Western government

00:53:22.840 that is, you know,

00:53:23.540 supporting the Great Replacement

00:53:24.980 is happening right now.

00:53:26.540 It's just to tell people it's just vibes.

00:53:28.160 Don't worry about it.

00:53:29.200 Like you can still have your goodies.

00:53:30.580 You can still enjoy things.

00:53:32.000 Just maybe don't have an open Christmas market

00:53:34.240 that you've had for like 1700 years

00:53:36.180 because, you know,

00:53:37.420 you can't have that anymore.

00:53:38.560 But it's part and parcel of living in a big city.

00:53:41.460 So many things are.

00:53:43.160 All right.

00:53:43.800 Well, let's transition over

00:53:45.240 to the questions of the people here.

00:53:47.520 Before we do, Mr. Prudentialist,

00:53:49.740 where should people find your excellent work?

00:53:52.820 Well, thanks again, Oren, for having me on.

00:53:54.200 It's always a pleasure to chat with you.

00:53:56.060 People can find me over on YouTube

00:53:57.580 as The Prudentialist,

00:53:58.560 Twitter at Mr. Prudentialist

00:54:00.300 and find me over at theprudentialist.substack.com.

00:54:03.500 I have a recent movie review

00:54:05.340 out of Spike Jonze's 2013 movie, Her.

00:54:08.600 And I've got some other great essays

00:54:10.760 about the world, politics and culture

00:54:12.500 on that sub stack as well.

00:54:14.180 So by all means, go ahead and tune in.

00:54:15.800 If you're interested,

00:54:16.280 please subscribe to the YouTube channel

00:54:17.420 if you're so inclined.

00:54:18.680 And once again, Oren, thanks for having me on.

00:54:20.900 Yeah, Prudentialist churning out

00:54:22.260 some high quality content,

00:54:24.120 both for his own sub stack

00:54:25.240 and the old glory club.

00:54:26.280 So make sure that you're keeping track of those

00:54:28.820 because you're missing out if you're not.

00:54:30.860 Let's see here.

00:54:31.340 Capri Rudo says,

00:54:32.500 are people on our side

00:54:34.220 of this really dumb enough to believe

00:54:36.220 that a president can run off of vibes?

00:54:39.420 No, though he's calling cons weird

00:54:41.180 is smart and it will work.

00:54:43.440 Is the DR just reaching for a hot take?

00:54:46.120 Well, the quick answer is yes.

00:54:49.040 Of course, the DR is just searching for a hot take.

00:54:52.160 To be fair, a candidate can win off vibes.

00:54:55.580 Let's make that very clear.

00:54:57.360 Donald Trump was definitely a vibes candidate.

00:54:59.840 A lot of people,

00:55:00.940 I think one of the key things,

00:55:02.780 he's kind of returned to Twitter,

00:55:05.400 but he's still not kind of doing spontaneous posting

00:55:08.580 the way that he used to.

00:55:09.760 It seems like a lot of prepared campaign responses

00:55:12.680 on Twitter.

00:55:13.180 He really needs to get back in that mix

00:55:15.040 because it was that vibe.

00:55:17.100 It was that momentum, that build.

00:55:19.060 I think a lot of what is missing

00:55:20.840 that was there in the 2016

00:55:24.100 and then wasn't so much in the 2020

00:55:25.800 is that meme magic feeling.

00:55:29.340 And I don't think people should discount

00:55:31.480 the role that hyperstition played

00:55:33.580 in bringing Trump into reality.

00:55:36.320 And when you have a media

00:55:38.820 that is so desperately focused

00:55:41.300 on lying and gaslighting routinely,

00:55:43.920 you need, as Prudincius was pointing out,

00:55:46.300 that disintermediation.

00:55:47.620 You need to have somebody

00:55:48.880 who's throwing rocks in the windows,

00:55:51.180 breaking up what's happening there,

00:55:53.420 distracting people by showing them an alternative.

00:55:56.240 And the power that Trump's tweets

00:55:58.620 and the kind of the responses to them had

00:56:00.520 was really to shatter that media narrative

00:56:02.500 on a very regular basis.

00:56:03.800 So I do think you can actually

00:56:06.800 do a lot through the vibes.

00:56:08.500 Does that mean that you can,

00:56:10.240 as Nick Land points out here,

00:56:12.060 survive on vibes alone?

00:56:15.300 No, eventually you do actually need

00:56:16.860 the rubber to meet the road.

00:56:18.340 Eventually, if you have gone completely emotional

00:56:21.040 and you have no connection

00:56:22.060 to application of policy, reality solutions,

00:56:24.860 that will catch up with you.

00:56:26.720 But we don't want to fall into the facts,

00:56:28.740 don't care about your feelings trap

00:56:30.480 because I don't think that actually applies here.

00:56:33.480 Yeah.

00:56:33.980 And I mean, the other difference too

00:56:35.340 with, you know, candidates went off vibes

00:56:37.600 is that even regardless of being,

00:56:41.240 I mean, Bill Clinton, you know,

00:56:43.260 Arsenio Hall and playing the saxophone.

00:56:45.920 I mean, like that's a huge vibe shift,

00:56:47.640 even though he's a progressive candidate

00:56:49.020 at the time.

00:56:49.900 I mean, it's an important thing to consider

00:56:51.440 that if you can tell people like,

00:56:53.660 you know, actually,

00:56:54.580 this is how the vibe in the room is

00:56:57.420 or how the room is actually read,

00:56:59.040 it does go very far.

00:57:01.180 And also let's not consider our,

00:57:03.500 like let's seriously not just discount

00:57:05.520 how many people are just sort of mindless drones

00:57:09.140 that will happily vote for D anyway,

00:57:11.620 because they think that's what makes them

00:57:12.900 a good person.

00:57:14.000 Like that is a vibe.

00:57:15.120 The moral accountability of feeling good

00:57:17.660 about yourself, being a good progressive,

00:57:20.340 being zealous in your belief system,

00:57:22.640 that motivates a lot of people.

00:57:24.360 And as we obviously can see on Twitter,

00:57:26.060 and as we saw from numerous talking heads on there,

00:57:28.920 the vibe is my enemies are giant doo-doo heads 1.00

00:57:32.960 and I want to humiliate them and kill them.

00:57:34.900 And I mean, that's sort of what it is there.

00:57:36.620 So if the vibe is vote for me

00:57:38.280 and your enemies die, 0.55

00:57:39.620 like that's not a bad messaging

00:57:41.440 when it comes to the vibe

00:57:43.340 of the Kamala Harris campaign.

00:57:44.660 We are going to be dancing

00:57:45.780 and throwing coconuts in people

00:57:47.240 until all the kulaks are liquidated. 0.97

00:57:49.140 Like vibes can go a very long way,

00:57:51.720 both leftward and rightward

00:57:53.000 in discourse and politics.

00:57:54.280 Yeah, do not underestimate that.

00:57:57.280 The Masquerade says,

00:57:58.160 it's pretty absurd when we are reduced to the idea

00:58:00.480 that the thing we can learn from non-white people 1.00

00:58:03.300 is how to eat spices.

00:58:04.720 European empiricism was based on conquering

00:58:06.560 spice production, producing regions

00:58:08.600 worldwide for centuries.

00:58:10.320 Yeah, I always make the joke

00:58:11.500 that if you have ever eaten the food in England,

00:58:14.620 you understand why that empire conquered

00:58:16.580 every other nation in search of spices.

00:58:19.840 It makes a lot more sense there.

00:58:21.360 Yeah, I mean, it's just a terrible anti-white meme.

00:58:24.580 And unfortunately, you know,

00:58:25.860 anti-whiteness is the core, you know,

00:58:28.040 cornerstone of the Democratic Party.

00:58:30.360 It is the glue holding that coalition together.

00:58:32.680 There's just no way to avoid that truth.

00:58:35.020 Seneca says,

00:58:35.640 watching your cognito hazard of a stream

00:58:39.420 from yesterday, Prude,

00:58:40.740 can't decide if I hate you for exposing me

00:58:42.980 or if I'm merely disappointed.

00:58:45.840 What was your stream on yesterday?

00:58:46.720 So I did something for patrons

00:58:49.180 and I'm going to do a monthly show

00:58:51.420 or just called,

00:58:52.120 I call it the Discourse Corner

00:58:53.120 and I review these sort of memes

00:58:54.560 or things that are in the ecosystem.

00:58:57.600 So the next episode is going to be about

00:58:59.220 the phrase, nothing ever happens.

00:59:00.700 But no, I talked about with my friend,

00:59:02.240 David Harrod from Tukey's Mag

00:59:03.660 and they have a great podcast called The Sidebar.

00:59:05.980 They review all of the literature and fiction

00:59:07.740 that people like Dan Baltic

00:59:09.260 and others have written out.

00:59:10.460 And we were talking about that god-awful Wojak 1.00

00:59:13.100 with like the fat girlfriend 1.00

00:59:14.260 and everything like that.

00:59:15.460 And we were talking about psychosecurity,

00:59:17.780 but how it was sort of a return to form

00:59:19.680 for all these memes like,

00:59:21.020 you know, Prince of Zimbabwe

00:59:23.000 from like 2016 and earlier words,

00:59:25.160 these male memes that are criticizing

00:59:27.360 things that men do 0.69

00:59:28.740 and criticizing you for settling.

00:59:30.700 So don't settle for that,

00:59:32.100 you know, hefty porker.

00:59:33.520 You can do better.

00:59:34.620 And that's what we were talking about yesterday.

00:59:36.760 Believe in yourself, young man.

00:59:38.460 Yes.

00:59:39.600 Thuggo says,

00:59:40.340 after 50 years of Keynesian economics

00:59:42.000 and Federal Reserve money printing,

00:59:43.580 people thought nothing could go wrong.

00:59:46.800 Yeah.

00:59:47.200 I mean,

00:59:48.500 the one thing we know

00:59:49.600 is that no amount of understanding monetary theory

00:59:53.740 ever solves this problem

00:59:55.080 because the incentive for the government,

00:59:57.040 whether it recognizes it or not,

00:59:59.140 especially when it's a democracy,

01:00:01.540 is to just sell, you know,

01:00:03.800 sell the future off to the present.

01:00:06.320 That is always the sacrifice they're going to make.

01:00:08.400 Uh, so no amount of sound monetary policy.

01:00:11.780 Uh, yeah, it's not that we don't know how it works.

01:00:13.940 It's simply that, uh,

01:00:15.100 the people in charge just don't care.

01:00:17.280 Yes.

01:00:17.740 And as our, as our friend, Dr. Per Bilen will,

01:00:19.860 will obviously point out all the time.

01:00:22.020 There are still people who believe in,

01:00:24.120 you know, modern monetary theory

01:00:25.740 and they'll think that Keynesian economics

01:00:27.480 is the way to go.

01:00:28.560 And obviously, uh,

01:00:30.000 as we look at our economy today,

01:00:31.360 you know, that's not the case,

01:00:32.560 but Hey, the vibe says it's okay.

01:00:34.480 And we're still going to believe in it

01:00:36.180 because that's what keeps this, uh,

01:00:37.440 progressive engine running.

01:00:39.760 Robert Winesfield says,

01:00:41.140 uh, thank you for digesting

01:00:42.160 these political theorists.

01:00:43.660 I find, uh, guys like land,

01:00:45.940 Evola, Burnham, et cetera,

01:00:47.100 interesting, but inaccessible without a summary.

01:00:49.560 Yeah.

01:00:49.920 I mean, we're doing these exegetical readings

01:00:52.360 in a sense, and, uh,

01:00:54.420 you can read a lot of what land did

01:00:57.180 in places like Xeno systems.

01:00:59.020 I think it's a little more accessible

01:01:00.160 than some of his other stuff,

01:01:01.800 say Fangnumina,

01:01:02.580 but it still helps to have

01:01:04.560 someone come along and read

01:01:06.040 and, and, and work with you

01:01:07.220 on these things.

01:01:07.720 And we're kind of doing this together.

01:01:09.140 You know, that, that's the nice thing.

01:01:10.640 You know, Prude comes in,

01:01:11.820 we're working together on it.

01:01:12.760 You guys give us our feedback.

01:01:14.000 And so everyone can kind of

01:01:15.420 had an easier time, uh, understanding it.

01:01:18.120 It's like a, it's like a small university,

01:01:19.700 uh, class you didn't have to pay for,

01:01:21.800 uh, doing, doing our best to,

01:01:23.400 to recreate that environment

01:01:24.600 as much as possible.

01:01:26.680 Uh, Creeper Weirder here says,

01:01:28.240 so Lance argument is that power

01:01:30.160 of the flesh from Conan movie

01:01:31.820 from the 1980s.

01:01:35.560 I appreciate that summary.

01:01:37.280 Uh, yeah.

01:01:37.940 What, what is best in life?

01:01:39.500 Um, yeah, basically.

01:01:40.860 Yeah.

01:01:42.200 Uh, uh, Gabby of Limburg,

01:01:45.840 uh, says Prude's re-enchantment

01:01:47.640 essay is a true masterpiece.

01:01:49.560 I, I know I read that one.

01:01:51.280 That was, that was like

01:01:51.980 a little over a month ago, right?

01:01:53.320 Uh, it's been a couple of months.

01:01:54.720 Uh, it's also, it's also a video

01:01:56.900 that you can find on,

01:01:58.140 on my YouTube channel.

01:01:59.100 Uh, it's literally just called,

01:02:00.700 uh, re-enchantment.

01:02:01.920 Uh, and I think that people

01:02:03.720 can, uh, appreciate that.

01:02:05.120 It's about, if you want it

01:02:06.600 in video form, it's about 42 minutes long,

01:02:08.340 but it's also on my sub stack,

01:02:09.420 theprudentialist.substack.com.

01:02:11.500 Yeah.

01:02:11.960 I appreciate people still doing

01:02:13.460 the, the, the, uh, video essays.

01:02:15.880 I know that sub stacks there

01:02:18.040 and a lot of people just want to do that.

01:02:20.080 But guys, I got into the YouTube game,

01:02:22.320 so I didn't have to read your essays.

01:02:23.700 The beauty of this content

01:02:28.200 is that I consume it

01:02:29.320 while I am driving or working out

01:02:31.680 or mowing the lawn,

01:02:32.680 or it is all the found time.

01:02:34.440 If I have to go back to, to reading it,

01:02:36.160 then it falls into the stack.

01:02:37.720 I will say, I will say this though,

01:02:39.460 Oren, my favorite thing about sub stack,

01:02:41.100 it is, it has become my go-to place for drama

01:02:43.440 because it has allowed the return

01:02:45.260 of the reply, reply, reply, reply, reply format

01:02:49.060 of like video essays from like 2010.

01:02:51.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:52.060 And I'm like, oh, fine.

01:02:52.660 You're doing your Young Turk reply threads here.

01:02:54.740 Yeah, you are.

01:02:55.520 And it's just like,

01:02:56.160 oh, I can watch all of my favorite people

01:02:57.720 argue with all the people I don't like

01:02:59.560 in one central location.

01:03:00.980 It's wonderful.

01:03:01.920 Although I do wish the video essay would, uh,

01:03:04.040 be around.

01:03:04.620 There are a few guys that still do it

01:03:06.000 and God bless them that do.

01:03:07.520 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:08.020 We, we stand the video essay here.

01:03:10.480 Yes.

01:03:11.640 Simplar says,

01:03:12.380 as a humble propaganda maker,

01:03:14.560 what themes or topics would be best

01:03:16.280 to expose this closed,

01:03:18.120 closed system,

01:03:18.960 the propaganda progressives built.

01:03:21.540 How do you get the prisoner

01:03:22.660 to see the walls, uh,

01:03:24.280 he's gotten stuck in?

01:03:25.220 Well, that's the entire red pill process, right?

01:03:27.020 Like that, when people are talking

01:03:28.320 about the red pill,

01:03:29.280 that really is what they're trying to do.

01:03:31.240 You know, break you out of the matrix,

01:03:32.980 get you to see Plato's cave,

01:03:34.340 whatever metaphors, uh,

01:03:36.480 you would like here.

01:03:37.440 And it really depends.

01:03:39.500 A lot of people get through this

01:03:40.880 through dating discourse.

01:03:42.340 A lot of people get to it

01:03:43.260 through immigration.

01:03:44.360 A lot of people get through it, uh,

01:03:46.300 uh, to it through religion.

01:03:47.920 Uh, I think that, uh,

01:03:50.280 personally, the, the,

01:03:51.560 the most powerful, uh,

01:03:54.180 places right now are probably

01:03:55.780 immigration and, uh, uh, economics.

01:03:59.140 Those are probably your two

01:04:00.760 greatest, uh, points of entry.

01:04:02.540 It's the stuff that people can be

01:04:04.480 told a lot of things like,

01:04:06.000 oh, well, it's okay.

01:04:06.720 If your kids are learning this school,

01:04:08.240 blah, blah, blah.

01:04:08.740 The mate hate it. 0.97

01:04:09.560 Uh, but for parents,

01:04:10.580 that's a good entry point,

01:04:11.600 but the things they really can't, uh,

01:04:13.700 can't ignore is their ability to like

01:04:16.320 buy food, stay in their house.

01:04:18.260 These kinds of things that's,

01:04:19.300 that is right up front, uh,

01:04:20.740 crime in their neighborhoods.

01:04:22.020 These are things that no amount

01:04:23.700 of propaganda can really, uh,

01:04:25.680 smooth over.

01:04:26.580 They, they tend to break through.

01:04:27.860 That's one of the reasons that I

01:04:29.660 think, uh, the system had such a

01:04:31.700 problem with, uh, trying to get

01:04:33.560 through certain aspects of, uh,

01:04:35.400 the pandemic because they just were

01:04:37.580 too directly impacting, uh,

01:04:39.740 people's pockets, their safety,

01:04:42.440 these kinds of things.

01:04:43.100 So any, anything you can move

01:04:44.660 along the, that access is very

01:04:46.540 useful.

01:04:47.840 Yeah.

01:04:48.360 And guys, we're not above

01:04:49.640 propaganda here.

01:04:50.500 Don't go by yourself.

01:04:51.220 You should be, you should be good

01:04:52.500 propagandists if you're on the

01:04:53.960 right, because God knows we need

01:04:55.140 it.

01:04:55.620 Um, but no, I just think about

01:04:56.800 that old, the, the famous

01:04:58.420 Flammarion engraving of his guy

01:05:00.120 poking his head out of the

01:05:01.140 firmament of the world.

01:05:02.420 I think that the things that

01:05:04.200 Orrin mentioned are just

01:05:05.100 absolutely the way to go about

01:05:06.560 it.

01:05:06.700 Like you, you can't ignore when

01:05:09.540 you're all like, if you're on a

01:05:10.440 public subway system, you can't

01:05:12.060 ignore that like, you can't be

01:05:13.420 like Liz Brunig and say that

01:05:14.700 like, Oh, you know, someone

01:05:15.800 shooting up heroin isn't all as

01:05:17.580 bad as it seems like, no,

01:05:18.740 actually it is that bad.

01:05:19.880 And, you know, there shouldn't

01:05:21.000 be Bluetooth speakers playing

01:05:22.460 music so loud that you can't

01:05:24.000 hear yourself think like you

01:05:25.100 should obviously say, and

01:05:26.800 propagandize that all of the

01:05:28.780 things that are minor

01:05:29.860 inconveniences are actually

01:05:31.280 symptoms of much larger

01:05:32.940 societal problems.

01:05:34.140 Like this is why the hatred of

01:05:36.600 like the white women of the 1.00

01:05:37.840 world, like when they do the

01:05:38.760 whole Karen thing, there's a 1.00

01:05:40.200 law in California where

01:05:41.100 they've done it as well, where

01:05:42.040 they literally called it the

01:05:42.840 Karen act.

01:05:43.840 Those people are trying to

01:05:45.340 enforce basic social norms

01:05:47.660 and basic social realities that

01:05:50.180 were considered the expectation

01:05:51.760 of the bare minimum for our

01:05:53.680 morality, like 20 to 30 years

01:05:55.360 ago, because that's what they

01:05:56.680 grew up with.

01:05:57.240 That's what they expect.

01:05:58.520 And so you should be doing that

01:05:59.560 if you're a propagandist, you

01:06:00.660 should be saying this is not

01:06:02.680 normal.

01:06:03.200 This has never been normal.

01:06:04.400 And what this is, is the

01:06:05.580 symptom of a much greater

01:06:06.820 rot. And if you were to lift

01:06:08.700 open that scab, you would just

01:06:10.120 smell the decayed husk of our

01:06:12.340 society right underneath all of

01:06:14.060 that technological gadgetry that

01:06:16.420 we love to enjoy every day.

01:06:19.000 Yes, I made some kind of return

01:06:21.160 the shopping cart joke and

01:06:22.400 someone called me a cart Karen and

01:06:25.180 it was just Insta block like,

01:06:26.700 nope, you do not belong in a

01:06:29.400 high trust society.

01:06:30.520 Go, you know, go live in the 0.97

01:06:32.540 wasteland of, you know, shopping

01:06:34.540 carts left in your Walmart

01:06:35.980 parking lots.

01:06:37.160 We don't need you here.

01:06:38.700 Creeper weirdo says Trump had

01:06:40.600 MAGA and build the wall.

01:06:41.860 Kamala has brat nowhere near the 0.99

01:06:44.120 same.

01:06:44.820 Stop trying to actually me,

01:06:47.440 dude.

01:06:47.960 Yeah, one of the problems, I

01:06:49.660 think, ultimately, that a lot of

01:06:51.140 the propaganda for

01:06:52.820 Harris is going to fall flat

01:06:55.940 really is it's built around a

01:06:57.800 personality she just doesn't 0.99

01:06:58.980 have.

01:07:00.520 And eventually she does have to

01:07:02.040 talk to somebody, probably.

01:07:03.520 I mean, I guess I shouldn't

01:07:04.520 assume that because they got Joe

01:07:05.600 Biden through, you know, so

01:07:07.700 never, never discount it.

01:07:10.480 But the fact that so little of

01:07:12.440 that, you know, the Trump memes

01:07:13.700 are tied to an actual action he

01:07:15.480 needs to take as a president,

01:07:17.340 right?

01:07:17.800 As where Harris's are entirely 0.93

01:07:19.600 tied to her charisma, which is

01:07:22.420 literally non-existent.

01:07:23.660 So I think that is a weak point.

01:07:25.820 They didn't have much to build on

01:07:27.720 and what they built with, I don't

01:07:29.000 think is very resilient.

01:07:31.540 Also, I think it's important to

01:07:32.700 keep in mind here about the vibe

01:07:34.300 discussion since you're trying to

01:07:35.480 argue there.

01:07:36.120 But we appreciate you sending

01:07:37.640 money anyways.

01:07:38.480 This is that, yeah, Trump has

01:07:40.440 tangible things that he started

01:07:42.800 to try and do in his office.

01:07:44.240 And obviously he was addressing a

01:07:45.240 real issue.

01:07:46.060 It's not Kamala that's the vibe

01:07:47.580 here.

01:07:47.900 It's the actual machine

01:07:49.320 apparatchiks of the of the

01:07:51.300 media.

01:07:51.680 It's not Kamala herself.

01:07:53.820 We all know.

01:07:54.640 And you're already on the right.

01:07:55.540 So you're not a believer into

01:07:56.660 this belief system anyway.

01:07:57.800 That was half the point of this

01:07:58.860 this essay.

01:07:59.880 But also the thing to consider is

01:08:01.660 is that what you're watching is

01:08:03.480 literally what J.D.

01:08:05.240 Vanstone, like a bunch of like 0.92

01:08:06.240 millennial cat ladies who don't 1.00

01:08:07.740 have children and don't have

01:08:08.680 husbands and go home alone at 0.60

01:08:10.640 night.

01:08:10.880 And they are propagandizing out of 0.65

01:08:13.100 spite what they think is, you

01:08:14.760 know, actual progressivism.

01:08:16.220 Like it's funny when Tariq 0.79

01:08:17.980 Nasheed makes an actual cogent

01:08:19.560 point that like Kamala Harris has

01:08:21.280 no aspect of authenticity to her

01:08:23.240 when it comes to, quote unquote,

01:08:24.000 being black because what her whole 1.00

01:08:26.300 performance is showing off those

01:08:27.680 records and everything is exactly

01:08:29.600 what a white millennial would on 1.00

01:08:31.380 the left would say.

01:08:32.340 This is how I pander to the black 0.87

01:08:33.700 community.

01:08:34.680 The the vibes of her are

01:08:36.660 inauthentic and fake.

01:08:38.360 Yes.

01:08:39.000 But if you're already an adjunct

01:08:41.040 believer of the regime, that

01:08:43.360 doesn't matter to you because the

01:08:44.920 end of the day, it's vote blue no

01:08:46.140 matter who.

01:08:49.260 You M five, three, six says part

01:08:52.120 of the cathedral's fall is that it

01:08:53.660 becomes difficult to elicit honest

01:08:55.040 feedback, even from neutral actors

01:08:57.620 if they believe you are incompetent.

01:09:00.040 Yeah, that that is an issue

01:09:01.540 that is building up.

01:09:03.180 Like Prudential has just pointed

01:09:04.660 out, if you're already in

01:09:06.000 inside the

01:09:08.540 the system, then you ignore that

01:09:10.000 as much as possible.

01:09:11.380 But for instance, one of the

01:09:12.760 ironies about the left is

01:09:14.140 constantly trying to force people

01:09:15.720 onto public transportation, even

01:09:17.680 though, as Prudential has pointed

01:09:18.740 out, that might be the

01:09:20.860 the most powerful

01:09:22.740 focusing lens for you to understand

01:09:24.560 the problems with

01:09:26.340 with what is going on and

01:09:27.900 how, you know, between the

01:09:29.460 the breakdown of the

01:09:30.280 infrastructure, the

01:09:31.740 the fact that the multiculturalism

01:09:33.320 is not working.

01:09:34.160 All of these things are all

01:09:35.240 concentrated into

01:09:36.460 public transportation.

01:09:37.800 So the more public transportation

01:09:39.660 they force you to

01:09:41.080 to go on, the more

01:09:43.120 you have to stare

01:09:43.920 the problems in the face.

01:09:45.940 But that is a

01:09:47.340 consistent problem is that

01:09:48.540 just the the the real

01:09:49.800 feedback is not breaking.

01:09:50.980 And again, this is what

01:09:52.600 Pareto talks about when he

01:09:53.640 talks about the circulation

01:09:54.540 of elites, right?

01:09:55.220 Eventually, you freeze out

01:09:56.600 every opinion, all new

01:09:58.820 blood, all competence,

01:10:00.120 because you only want

01:10:01.520 adherence.

01:10:02.520 You only want people who are 1.00

01:10:03.420 the exact same wavelength

01:10:04.760 and belief as you have.

01:10:06.540 And eventually you just force

01:10:08.140 too many competent people

01:10:09.620 outside of the system.

01:10:10.760 And that's what generates a

01:10:12.500 very rough circulation of

01:10:13.980 elites in that scenario.

01:10:15.520 Life of Brian says

01:10:18.620 MMT only ever appears to

01:10:20.440 work out because the

01:10:21.220 military forces of

01:10:22.600 the world to buy our

01:10:24.920 debt left doesn't

01:10:25.900 understand this.

01:10:26.640 Even when you explain it

01:10:27.980 to them, well, they

01:10:28.660 don't want to.

01:10:29.460 I don't I don't I don't

01:10:30.520 think ultimately if you

01:10:32.720 backed one of these guys

01:10:33.660 into the room that they

01:10:34.440 don't understand that the

01:10:35.200 money printing machine is

01:10:36.400 based on aircraft carriers.

01:10:37.840 I think somewhere they

01:10:38.880 know that.

01:10:39.440 But it's certainly not an

01:10:40.720 argument they're ever

01:10:41.260 making to the public.

01:10:42.920 Yeah.

01:10:43.080 And even if they even if

01:10:44.340 they acknowledge that,

01:10:45.260 that that's the beauty of

01:10:46.660 having those contradictory

01:10:47.640 thoughts.

01:10:48.360 One, the one that feels

01:10:49.860 good usually wins over the

01:10:51.540 truth most of the time

01:10:52.600 because man is a deeply

01:10:54.540 fallen animal in that

01:10:55.520 respect.

01:10:55.980 But again, that's the

01:10:56.720 power of vibes like, hey,

01:10:57.960 the money printer goes for

01:10:59.000 life is still good.

01:10:59.960 I don't need to worry about

01:11:00.780 my aircraft carriers or the

01:11:01.940 state of my Navy.

01:11:02.900 Like we just vibe it, man.

01:11:04.680 That's really how it works.

01:11:06.340 And I mean, you can see

01:11:07.260 that with all those sort of

01:11:08.040 like the the famous one

01:11:09.680 about like, oh, all of us

01:11:10.680 like lefty friends.

01:11:11.460 We took a trip to like

01:11:12.400 Guatemala or whatever.

01:11:13.480 And the meme was perfect

01:11:15.320 for it because it was just

01:11:16.000 like no Guatemalans, just 1.00

01:11:17.540 vibes.

01:11:18.220 And that is what we're

01:11:19.800 talking about here.

01:11:20.260 Like, oh, like no, no

01:11:21.500 chuds, no MAGA people, 0.98

01:11:23.020 just vibes.

01:11:23.660 That's the whole point of

01:11:25.080 what this what this essay is

01:11:27.460 and what we're talking about

01:11:28.220 with this this campaign.

01:11:30.540 And finally, Thomas Squire

01:11:31.760 says, I got in the YouTube

01:11:33.040 game so I don't have to read

01:11:34.260 your essays, quote, Orin.

01:11:36.460 I mean, it's true, though,

01:11:37.580 right?

01:11:37.880 Like we're we're all

01:11:39.480 listening.

01:11:40.020 We're all listening to the

01:11:40.840 YouTube video essays because

01:11:42.560 we didn't didn't you know,

01:11:45.300 we had all this time where

01:11:46.260 we were doing the wagey

01:11:47.340 stuff.

01:11:48.100 And then we and then we

01:11:48.940 foolishly thought, hey, I

01:11:50.000 could do that.

01:11:50.900 And, you know, we've been

01:11:51.920 blessed with success.

01:11:53.200 And here we are.

01:11:54.400 Here we are for better,

01:11:55.280 for worse.

01:11:55.740 All right, guys.

01:11:56.320 Well, we really appreciate

01:11:57.280 everybody coming by.

01:11:58.380 I'm just joking.

01:11:59.440 I am.

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01:12:35.440 I've had a lot of people

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01:12:39.800 finally tell you that it is

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01:12:42.900 The publisher is finally

01:12:43.680 moving forward with the

01:12:44.340 audio version, but I still

01:12:45.540 don't have a date.

01:12:46.320 So it is happening.

01:12:47.220 It's real.

01:12:48.640 Sorry that that has been in

01:12:49.820 limbo for so long, but it 1.00

01:12:51.760 is in the works.

01:12:52.880 It is going to be coming

01:12:53.640 out.

01:12:54.320 So I will let you know as

01:12:55.360 soon as that is available.

01:12:56.320 And of course, make sure you're

01:12:57.480 checking out all of the

01:12:58.500 Prudentialist work on

01:12:59.820 Substack and his YouTube

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01:13:02.340 Thank you everybody for

01:13:03.480 watching, and as always, I'll

01:13:05.500 talk to you next time.

The Auron MacIntyre Show - August 16, 2024

Propaganda as a Sledgehammer ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 8⧸16⧸24

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