The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 11, 2026


Real Nationalism Is Exclusive ｜ 6⧸11⧸26


Episode Stats


Length

8 minutes

Words per minute

166.96

Word count

1,501

Sentence count

78

Harmful content

Misogyny

2

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Toxicity

1

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Hate speech

11

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Transcript

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00:00:00.200 After decades of brutal race and gender politics from the political left,
00:00:04.580 conservatives started to treat the very concept of identity as toxic.
00:00:09.580 That's an entirely understandable reaction to fighting a grueling battle against a sinister ideology.
00:00:15.620 But ignoring identity simply isn't an option.
00:00:18.500 Humans need to have a firm sense of who they are and where they belong.
00:00:22.480 The fact that progressives exploited that impulse in a twisted and artificial manner
00:00:27.320 doesn't change the fact that the impulse is natural and healthy.
00:00:32.180 As the United States deals with mass immigration,
00:00:35.580 the question of what is an American has emerged as a critical issue on the right.
00:00:40.380 The question is one about the nature of identity,
00:00:43.080 and now for the first time in a long time,
00:00:46.020 conservatives are having to navigate one of the most important aspects of the human experience.
00:00:52.300 Identity feels like a dangerous topic because it absolutely is.
00:00:56.380 From the beginning of time, identity has been the thing that people are willing to kill and die for.
00:01:02.020 People can and do go to war over things that they've chosen voluntarily.
00:01:05.920 But the point about identity is that it largely consists of things you didn't choose.
00:01:10.900 Human beings don't voluntarily choose where they're born or to whom.
00:01:14.820 They don't choose the role of brother or sister or son or daughter.
00:01:19.200 While there's a voluntary aspect of maintaining a religious practice,
00:01:22.460 people don't decide what tradition they're born into.
00:01:25.540 Some of identity is voluntary, but most isn't.
00:01:28.960 Identity is what you can't leave behind, usually because you never chose it in the first place.
00:01:34.820 This is why identity so often brings about real existential conflict.
00:01:40.180 Its involuntary nature means that people can't simply opt out when the going gets tough.
00:01:45.360 If someone wanted to, say, kill all the people who are fans of the movie Jaws,
00:01:49.540 well, you could just stop being a fan of the movie Jaws. 0.90
00:01:52.240 But if someone wants to start killing everyone who's born an Englishman,
00:01:54.820 well, you can't just stop being English, so you have no option left but to fight.
00:02:00.060 This is why the post-World War II consensus sought to suppress as many of these identities as
00:02:05.320 possible. If people don't have strong connections to their heritage, tradition, or religion,
00:02:10.180 then they're less likely to see them as points of existential conflict.
00:02:14.720 This is understandable. Again, no one wants to see more wars of religion or another world war
00:02:19.860 fought over nationalism, but the shift doesn't come without a cost. Without the boundaries of
00:02:25.400 nation or religion, we're driven towards an open borders globalism, which is deeply unhealthy.
00:02:32.060 A lack of national identity means a country that has no sense of what the public good is,
00:02:37.040 what they should be pursuing. The man whose family has been in the U.S. since its founding
00:02:41.760 has different priorities than the newly arrived immigrant who's hoping to move his entire extended 0.99
00:02:46.600 family into the country. The Christian who wants to see his faith reflected in his ancestral nation
00:02:51.900 has conflicting interests with the Muslim who wants to see his new home implement Sharia law. 0.80
00:02:57.480 The state can't be neutral in these questions. It must decide which identity takes priority, 0.68
00:03:02.820 which version of the public good it will pursue. Neutrality is a lie, and so identity becomes an
00:03:09.080 inescapable question. As a nation like the United States tries to unwind the open borders mess that
00:03:16.160 liberalism has led to, the need to reassert a concrete identity has become clear. Illegal
00:03:22.640 immigration was a huge problem, but legal immigration has been just as deleterious. 0.93
00:03:28.080 If being an American is more than obtaining a piece of paper legally, then uncomfortable lines
00:03:34.200 have to be drawn. Identities are inherently about exclusion. Some people are in and some people are
00:03:40.120 out. This feels dangerous because it is, but we no longer have the ability to ignore the issue.
00:03:46.160 Turning a blind eye to these hard questions is what got us here in the first place,
00:03:50.720 and we won't get out without addressing the issue head on.
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00:04:24.740 Modern people like strongly defined categories, but identity has always been about strong centers with some flexibility at the margin.
00:04:33.680 A traditional biological family is the best outcome and something that should be preferred among all other options at all times.
00:04:41.220 But if a child is adopted, we leave enough room in the concept to allow them to be part of a family.
00:04:47.140 People inherently understand what a woman is, but when we try to define it for progressives, we often end up drawing a rigid category. 0.64
00:04:54.860 If you tell a liberal that a woman is someone who can bear children, they'll immediately point to a female who's sterile and say, 0.56
00:05:01.400 well, are they still a woman? The modern rigidity of the category is used by the progressive to
00:05:06.840 deconstruct it. Instead, we should understand identity not as simply a scientific reality or
00:05:13.720 something entirely voluntary, but a situatedness that draws us towards a particular end. Americans
00:05:20.440 were born with certain inalienable rights, but also with particular duties. Our identity as
00:05:26.740 Americans, as Christians, as a son or a brother or a father, those identities should cost us
00:05:32.700 something. It's not just about rights, choices, or freedoms, but about limitations. There are 0.96
00:05:38.820 things that you can't be when you're a father or a Christian or American. There is an exclusive 0.80
00:05:44.560 nature to these categories. They're flexible, but that doesn't mean they're fluid. Our modern
00:05:50.680 globalist paradigm hates borders. It hates limitations because this creates friction for
00:05:56.880 economies of scale. McDonald's wants to sell the same hamburger to everyone the same way.
00:06:03.160 If they need to make allowances for Hindus or Catholics, if they have to close the restaurants
00:06:08.620 on Sunday in the U.S. and Saturday in Israel, this reduces efficiency and profitability.
00:06:15.200 Uniformity is the key to maximizing the advantages of scale, which is why every government
00:06:20.480 corporation, and NGO is trying to homogenize every population on the planet. But identity
00:06:26.640 should create friction. People need borders and limitations. Only when we know who we are and who
00:06:33.920 we are not can we collectively chart a beneficial course for our nation. The task of defining our
00:06:41.220 American identity will be difficult, but it starts with friction. Borders must be closed and illegals 1.00
00:06:47.500 must be deported that part it's not negotiable legal immigration should be radically limited 0.89
00:06:53.160 or ideally completely ended until we work through this issue 20 30 years whatever we need the
00:07:00.060 moratorium now that said every tribe has had a path for few select members to eventually join
00:07:07.200 but the cost should be very steep if you're given the gracious opportunity to become an american
00:07:13.480 it should be at great personal sacrifice, not just for your own monetary benefit.
00:07:19.840 The Bible provides us with a model for this form of assimilation in the story of Ruth,
00:07:25.320 who abandons her homeland and pledges,
00:07:27.740 your people will be my people and your God will be my God.
00:07:31.760 She doesn't try to keep her former identity. 0.67
00:07:34.520 She abandons her former people, her former religion, and marries into the tribe.
00:07:39.480 Becoming part of the Hebrew people involved a lot of friction. 1.00
00:07:43.480 It was done at great cost, but that's also how you know it was worth it. 0.99
00:07:49.120 To be an American is to be something distinct and set apart, and if anyone is going to have
00:07:54.820 the privilege of joining in that identity, it should be very difficult.
00:08:00.120 Only through that sacrifice can someone prove worthy of our great nation.
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