The Auron MacIntyre Show - Responding to the 'Triggernometry' Bros

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00:01:50.220 So we've we've talked about the woke right.

00:01:53.780 We've heard about this phrase that guys like James Lindsay are trying to push.

00:02:00.800 It's not going very well.

00:02:03.060 No one seems to really believe it, but they just continue going on and on.

00:02:08.700 And they recently had James Lindsay on the podcast Trigonometry as a relatively popular podcast from the UK.

00:02:17.360 Two former comedians who have a bunch of kind of the usual suspects from the IDW sphere on.

00:02:25.240 And from time to time, you know, there's good episodes, things that are thoughtful.

00:02:29.480 But these guys are really on board the woke right bandwagon along with James Lindsay.

00:02:35.360 They're really the only other people pushing this.

00:02:37.800 And, of course, rather than go into the marketplace of ideas because classical liberalism is the best and open markets and discussion are how you solve things.

00:02:45.760 Rather than, you know, talk to somebody who might give a different perspective on what's going on or what any of this means.

00:02:52.900 Someone who might disagree with them.

00:02:55.100 Instead, they just had James Lindsay on and they all kind of talked in a circle and agreed with each other.

00:03:00.140 And so I thought today I'd respond to this.

00:03:02.960 They specifically clipped the segment on the woke right.

00:03:06.500 So I just went ahead and took that clip.

00:03:08.240 The whole podcast is like over an hour.

00:03:10.500 We're not going to go through that whole thing, but we'll go through this particular segment because I think even though we've talked about this a little bit, it's worth refuting some of the things they had on here.

00:03:20.300 I actually had many people go ahead and suggest that they have me on to discuss this, even though they disagree with me.

00:03:28.360 But they're not really interested in having a discussion with anyone who might disagree with them on the trigonometry podcast, I guess.

00:03:36.580 Don't get me wrong.

00:03:37.580 They don't owe me a spot.

00:03:38.820 I'm not trying to self-promote anything.

00:03:40.380 I don't care.

00:03:41.100 Ultimately, it's just kind of funny that these guys who specifically talk about the value of free speech and discussion are thoroughly uninterested.

00:03:49.460 And talking about anything except the value of free speech and discussion with other people who value it and won't have a discussion on any other topic.

00:03:58.620 Kissing himself, Constantine Kissing, is one of the hosts of the trigonometry podcast.

00:04:04.600 He rejected the idea of me coming on because he said I trolled him online at some point.

00:04:11.100 I don't know when that was.

00:04:12.280 I think I just responded to the guy.

00:04:14.120 I quote tweeted him once or twice and said he was wrong about something.

00:04:17.400 I guess that counts as trolling.

00:04:19.580 It's really weird.

00:04:20.800 He's a former comedian.

00:04:22.080 You think he'd be used to like hecklers and stuff at thicker skin, but I guess not.

00:04:26.400 I guess mild corrections on opinions on Twitter.com are a little severe for the marketplace of ideas.

00:04:34.760 Can't quite handle that kind of searing commentary.

00:04:37.460 But either way, since James Lindsay specifically cited me as his only example of the book right when someone asked him on Twitter recently, I figured I was qualified to respond to the points made here.

00:04:52.220 So we're going to get into this clip, go over some of the things that they're trying to explain here.

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00:06:09.440 All right, so let's go ahead and play the video here.

00:06:12.860 I'll just stop and comment as we go.

00:06:16.340 Again, this is the clip from that they selected.

00:06:19.880 I did not select this clip.

00:06:21.240 This is what they put out there as their discussion of the woke ride.

00:06:24.780 It's part of a larger podcast.

00:06:26.140 If you'd like to get the full context, I'm all for the context.

00:06:29.080 But obviously, we can't go through an hour and a half.

00:06:32.000 That would turn the show into like four hours.

00:06:34.100 So we're keeping it to the clip they selected to represent their position on the topic.

00:06:39.600 And James, you mentioned the term woke right.

00:06:42.720 It's a term you and I have both used.

00:06:44.880 But it'd be interesting to talk about it for a number of reasons.

00:06:49.580 But first of all, what do you mean by that term?

00:06:51.800 Because a lot of people are very confused about it.

00:06:53.680 Yeah, it's not necessarily the best term.

00:06:55.780 So right out of the gate, we're using this term.

00:07:02.740 Everyone's confused by it.

00:07:04.540 Nobody knows what it means.

00:07:05.840 And even the people who coined it say it's not a very good term.

00:07:09.100 Now, people have loose language.

00:07:13.220 That's okay.

00:07:14.440 But James Lindsay, like for a living, dissects language.

00:07:19.020 This is kind of his thing, right?

00:07:20.720 I take apart the Marxist constructions of language and I explain what's happening here.

00:07:26.560 Like this is his entire thing.

00:07:28.380 He's putting genealogies of thought together for people so they can trace it back to their favorite boogeyman.

00:07:34.560 This is what he does.

00:07:35.640 And he's been going on nonstop about the woke right and how terrible the woke right is and how the woke right is coming for your children.

00:07:44.560 It's going to make them listen to the rock musics.

00:07:47.020 You know, he's been very, very, very hostile to the woke right.

00:07:51.280 But his first admission is, yeah, it's actually a confusing term and no one really knows what it means and it's not really good.

00:07:57.600 So what are you doing?

00:07:59.500 What are we doing with this term if we know from the beginning that it doesn't define anything?

00:08:04.760 It doesn't really work.

00:08:06.900 Most people are confused by it.

00:08:08.700 Why did you coin it?

00:08:09.920 Why do you continue to use it?

00:08:11.220 Why do you continue to push it when you know it's a bad term?

00:08:13.980 And the answer is both he and Kissen have admitted that this is ultimately just a polemical term.

00:08:19.780 It's just a term that's a slander.

00:08:22.700 It's like racist or sexist or whatever, right?

00:08:25.920 It's just a leftist smear tactic.

00:08:28.240 That's all this is.

00:08:29.300 That's all these people are doing.

00:08:30.820 They're just involved in a leftist smear tactic.

00:08:32.860 They're not even using terms that are in any way.

00:08:35.960 They're not terms of art.

00:08:36.940 They're not connected to a wider understanding of philosophy.

00:08:40.740 They're not there.

00:08:41.360 There's no it's nothing.

00:08:42.860 It's just a smear term.

00:08:44.680 That's all it is.

00:08:45.840 So now we have to like fill this.

00:08:47.600 Right.

00:08:48.020 This is again.

00:08:48.780 This is a very common leftist tactic.

00:08:51.460 You create a term that, you know, it's empty.

00:08:54.500 It's just a shibboleth.

00:08:55.740 And then you backfill it intellectually.

00:08:57.620 Right.

00:08:58.160 It's really just a signifier saying these are bad people.

00:09:01.180 Don't listen to them.

00:09:02.660 That's all it really is.

00:09:04.280 But then we go back and we were like define it after the fact, hoping it catches on, hoping

00:09:09.720 that the polemical nature of it carries it somewhere.

00:09:12.440 But ultimately, we're not making a substantive point.

00:09:15.140 We're just saying that guy's the other.

00:09:17.100 Don't touch them.

00:09:18.060 Ironically, it's a term of friend enemy distinction.

00:09:21.080 That's exactly what they're trying to do here.

00:09:23.340 They're trying to create a distinction between friend and enemy.

00:09:26.840 Anybody who has been termed woke right has been put in this.

00:09:30.520 They are untouchable.

00:09:31.480 Don't listen to their dangerous ideas.

00:09:33.260 Don't have any conversations with them.

00:09:35.380 We will sit here and have discussions about how bad they are and you'll know not to listen

00:09:40.200 to them.

00:09:40.720 That's it.

00:09:41.720 But we're going to go on about the term for 10 minutes, even though we've just admitted

00:09:45.620 it's fun.

00:09:46.740 It's it's free of any real context.

00:09:49.760 It's free of any real definitions.

00:09:51.340 It's not very good.

00:09:52.280 It doesn't do the job.

00:09:53.340 We specifically are using a term we know is muddied and doesn't actually add to the

00:09:57.140 conversation because we want to slander people.

00:10:00.860 It's it's more accurate to I don't use the word woke to I use it a little too casually

00:10:08.480 still.

00:10:09.700 Yeah, you think just a little bit.

00:10:12.040 This is a guy who calls like Paul Godfrey woke.

00:10:14.600 This is who James is.

00:10:15.960 Now, the funny thing about woke is you actually want to remember the real oranges or origins

00:10:21.340 of it.

00:10:21.760 We use it constantly today.

00:10:23.640 And so people forget that this is a rare instance where the right actually flipped language on

00:10:28.760 the left.

00:10:29.280 So what happens most of the time is that the left will put something out that is negative

00:10:34.880 and either conservatives will take it onto themselves as some kind of badge of honor or

00:10:39.600 they'll desperately try to refute it right away from it.

00:10:41.900 They let the left define all their terms in a weird moment.

00:10:46.700 Originally woke was a term from the left, right?

00:10:49.480 The wokeness was it was a positive term that they were trying to use to describe something.

00:10:54.900 But it was slang.

00:10:55.940 OK, it was slang.

00:10:57.400 It didn't have some kind of deep definition.

00:11:00.460 It wasn't something that was layered into their literature.

00:11:03.540 I mean, obviously, there is a wider explanation of what they mean in their progressive secular

00:11:09.400 humanism.

00:11:10.480 But wokeness itself was not a specific clinical term.

00:11:13.920 It was not something that academics were using to get a broader understanding.

00:11:19.420 It was slang.

00:11:20.320 And the right picked it up and said, you know, this is wokeness.

00:11:23.160 They stole the term and they used it to label it became a pejorative in a rare moment of

00:11:29.420 the right actually getting a little bit of that rhetorical judo working for them.

00:11:33.420 But the problem for James is now he wants to turn wokeness into like this entire academic

00:11:38.520 discipline.

00:11:39.340 And of course, the left have created an academic discipline in, you know, kind of these postmodern

00:11:44.700 studies, these kind of things.

00:11:45.920 To the extent that James lays that out, he's doing good work.

00:11:49.320 I'll give him the credit where it's due.

00:11:51.360 So sadly, he's basically run his course on that.

00:11:54.780 He needs new enemies, which is why we're here.

00:11:57.040 He can't keep churning those dollars, that attention if you run out of enemies.

00:12:01.740 So we need a new woke.

00:12:04.040 Who's going to be woke now?

00:12:05.500 So it's the woke right.

00:12:06.960 The writer woke.

00:12:08.220 Well, what does that mean?

00:12:09.120 Well, nothing, because the original term was attached to something the left used as slang

00:12:13.180 to identify itself.

00:12:14.380 So laying out some kind of academic genealogy for woke rightness makes no sense.

00:12:20.020 That's not what the term comes from, but you know, whatever that's inconvenient.

00:12:23.640 We're trying to create a friend and me distinction here.

00:12:25.740 So we take a term we've already tainted and we just apply it to something else, right?

00:12:30.220 This, this is why the left turned whiteness into something evil.

00:12:33.820 And then you get terms like multiracial whiteness, right?

00:12:37.160 Because we've already made whiteness bad.

00:12:39.000 And so now we can even say that there are people who aren't white, but are like white

00:12:43.580 people.

00:12:44.080 And so therefore they are bad.

00:12:45.480 Same thing is happening here.

00:12:46.940 James is using the exact same type tactic.

00:12:49.500 It's a dialectical trap to use James' own mannerisms here.

00:12:53.620 Generally speaking, but I've tried to be very specific when it comes to it, to use the

00:12:57.380 phrase woke Marxism, as in that it's a species of Marxist thought, yada, yada, yada.

00:13:01.960 So we can very easily place that, um, on the Marxist left, right?

00:13:06.840 Well, woke, right.

00:13:08.980 Another term that might work for that is woke fascism.

00:13:12.680 So this is just embarrassing for James, uh, because he doesn't know what fascism is.

00:13:16.560 Uh, and this is, uh, true of a lot of people to be fair.

00:13:19.980 I did an entire episode in case you would like to have a better grasp of what fascism actually

00:13:24.800 is.

00:13:25.480 I'm going to go ahead and state, uh, outright, uh, not because I feel a need to denounce

00:13:30.100 anything, uh, for any of these guys, but just cause I'd like to make it clear because

00:13:34.020 sometimes people are confused.

00:13:35.680 Fascism is dead.

00:13:36.940 Uh, I, I did again, an entire episode on this.

00:13:39.540 If you want to get all of my thoughts, you can go do that.

00:13:41.800 But fascism is dead.

00:13:42.860 It's been dead for a long time.

00:13:44.460 Uh, it's a very specific and historically bound understanding and, and, and credit where

00:13:49.220 it's due.

00:13:49.600 I'm taking a lot of this from Paul Gottfried's work on fascism.

00:13:52.720 Uh, so if you want to read his books on fascism and anti-fascism, you really should.

00:13:57.060 Uh, but fascism is a very specific time and place.

00:14:00.100 It is not everything I don't want, uh, like about the right wing, but that is the way

00:14:05.760 in which pretty much everyone uses it, including James.

00:14:08.840 Uh, fascism is just right wing stuff.

00:14:10.840 I don't like.

00:14:11.480 And so anything that disagrees with James, well, functionally liberalism from the nineties

00:14:18.520 is fascism, which by the way is exactly what the left does.

00:14:21.720 The left says anything that's in opposition to us is fascism.

00:14:25.760 And so you James are a fascist because you oppose our current, uh, paradigm.

00:14:32.060 Now, James would disagree with that, but he uses exactly the same tactic.

00:14:36.040 It's just thoughtless.

00:14:37.080 He says, oh, fascism is bad.

00:14:38.940 Uh, a lot of people don't like fascism.

00:14:40.800 So, uh, everything I don't like is fascism.

00:14:43.500 Uh, I am a rhetorical genius and this is not him alone.

00:14:46.800 The trigger and trigonometry guys have the same approach, right?

00:14:49.560 Anything, anything, one degree to my right is fascism.

00:14:52.920 Uh, and anybody who disagrees with my Bill Clinton liberalism is a mustache man from the

00:14:58.960 1940s.

00:14:59.760 That that's exactly how they view the world.

00:15:03.380 And just like woke Marxism is technically woke neo-Marxism.

00:15:07.140 This could be called woke neo-fascism.

00:15:09.580 The more syllables.

00:15:11.240 So again, there is no neo-fascism.

00:15:14.580 Now, don't get me wrong.

00:15:15.340 There are some people LARPing with fascism and I'm not a fan of fascism.

00:15:20.380 I think fascism is fundamentally, uh, actually highly modern and progressive in a lot of ways.

00:15:26.020 There are things that I really don't like about it.

00:15:28.160 I don't think the worship of the state, uh, is, uh, in any way a positive thing.

00:15:32.940 I don't think the idea of sublimating all identity, uh, to the state itself is very good

00:15:38.240 either.

00:15:38.700 Uh, there are many things that I don't like about fascism, uh, but it is not around anymore.

00:15:44.220 It's simply failed.

00:15:45.760 Uh, and the fact that we are still trying to bring up its dead ghost and beat it to death

00:15:51.600 for political points in 2024 shows you what system actually won.

00:15:56.880 Okay.

00:15:57.720 Uh, fascism was a reaction to communism.

00:16:00.420 And so a lot of people who believe in communism or believe in some proto variant of communism

00:16:06.860 spend a lot of time warning about a dead ideology that opposed it at some point.

00:16:11.760 It's not really relevant now, but it's a good boogeyman.

00:16:15.060 And so James will pull it out of the closet every time he gets.

00:16:17.940 Well, that's, that's what I wanted to get to.

00:16:19.660 So there are kind of two ways to look at why it's woke and one is kind of philosophical

00:16:23.800 and one is practical.

00:16:25.420 The practical side is look at how they behave.

00:16:29.060 They behave exactly like the woke.

00:16:31.420 There's the targeted influence campaigns.

00:16:33.300 There's the manufacturing of what, uh, the, the postmodern is called legitimation by

00:16:38.580 pyrology or whatever they, they create the illusion that there's massive support for

00:16:43.720 this and massive distaste for that.

00:16:45.420 Uh, it's a very strange behavior, uh, from James.

00:16:49.680 Uh, so if people are, uh, have some level of communication strategy, then it's woke.

00:16:57.780 Okay.

00:16:58.060 But James does this.

00:16:59.260 Uh, he and Constantine Kissen are literally doing this right now.

00:17:03.180 They're trying to manufacture a perception that there either is this giant threat or

00:17:08.840 ultimately it doesn't have enough sway.

00:17:11.680 One of the true, you'll, you'll see through the video, they're going to say that this is

00:17:14.860 a very dangerous thing we need to be worried about.

00:17:16.880 And no one really believes it.

00:17:18.920 Which one is it?

00:17:19.900 Do they not actually believe it?

00:17:21.640 Or is it very dangerous?

00:17:22.920 It's never really clear.

00:17:24.540 And that's the point, uh, you know, that we're talking about both sides of our mouth.

00:17:28.340 Uh, it's simultaneously the worst thing in the world and everyone needs to be worried

00:17:32.500 about it because it's gaining momentum, but actually no one really cares about it and

00:17:36.560 it has no real validity.

00:17:37.640 And there's not really that many people out there doing it.

00:17:40.340 These are all, again, just classic behaviors of people who are trying to poison the well.

00:17:44.420 They're not interested in any kind of relevant discussion on the issues.

00:17:48.920 It's just about naming and shaming an enemy.

00:17:51.940 Uh, these are the bad people.

00:17:53.520 We're the good people.

00:17:54.820 Uh, so anytime we try to narrow the discussion, anytime we try to present a frame, those are

00:18:00.380 all correct and good and true because we're the, we're the good guys.

00:18:03.680 Anytime someone else does it, they're the bad guys.

00:18:05.960 Uh, wokeness in this case is just people with a communication strategy.

00:18:12.180 Uh, using social media manipulations.

00:18:14.200 Like we just talked about.

00:18:16.140 Again, social media manipulations.

00:18:18.860 Why, uh, what, what, how is social media being manipulated in this way?

00:18:24.400 Is there some understanding where the woke right has control of social media is James

00:18:31.040 implying that there's some kind of systemic bias towards them?

00:18:34.780 It's going to be rather ironic later because he's going to point out that believing there's

00:18:38.660 any kind of systemic bias is woke, but he's literally saying now that there's some kind

00:18:43.740 of manipulation of social media.

00:18:45.860 How?

00:18:46.820 Well, we're not specific because we can't be.

00:18:49.280 They are highly invested in identity politics.

00:18:53.200 Um, the answer for them to, to leftist identity politics is a reaction identity politics or

00:19:00.340 reactionary in any politics equal and opposite, uh, or in biblical terms, answering evil with

00:19:05.460 evil, which the Bible says not to do by the way.

00:19:08.380 Uh, James, a famously huge believer in the Bible.

00:19:12.760 He wrote two books, uh, or maybe three.

00:19:15.200 His first two or three books are about how atheism is right and you're stupid for being

00:19:19.460 a Christian, but he cares deeply about the Bible.

00:19:22.180 That's why he gets to talk at Christian meetings or something.

00:19:24.900 I don't know.

00:19:25.540 It's very confusing.

00:19:26.680 Uh, anyway, beyond his disingenuous attempt to reference a book he does not believe in

00:19:32.820 and doesn't think has any weight to it and has specifically written books against, uh,

00:19:37.600 when he talks about identity politics, uh, there is a certain level of truth to this.

00:19:41.960 So obviously there are people on the internet who are, um, on the right and are dissatisfied

00:19:49.220 with the left and they want, they think that the only solution is reciprocal amounts of

00:19:56.200 identity politics for groups that are usually denied it.

00:19:59.320 That would be, you know, white, male, Christian, these kinds of things.

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00:20:29.260 Instacart groceries that over-deliver interesting thing about the phrase identity politics, uh,

00:20:36.220 identity politics is a phrase that we use to describe the way in which people distort,

00:20:41.140 uh, you know, and, and emphasize the ways in which we are significantly different in the

00:20:46.580 hopes of generating some level of advantage.

00:20:48.900 And to the extent that people are interested in identity politics in that definition,

00:20:54.700 I'm actually generally against them.

00:20:56.980 Uh, I don't want to see some kind of woke carve out, but just for white people, I don't think

00:21:02.800 that that's actually productive.

00:21:04.440 There are people that do that does exist and I'm not going to deny it does, but to say that

00:21:09.600 this is what everybody believes, or even what most people believe who disagree with kind

00:21:14.540 of James Lindsay's 1990 liberalism is just ridiculous.

00:21:19.200 It's not true.

00:21:20.300 Uh, and his attempt to paint everybody with this brush is malicious and intentional.

00:21:25.600 He knows what he's doing.

00:21:26.900 He's aware that there's a wide variety of opinion that most people don't fall into the version he's

00:21:32.280 talking about, but he doesn't care because the important thing is to tie these things together

00:21:37.560 in the loosest possible sense so that he can create a friend and enemy distinction.

00:21:41.980 He doesn't want nuance.

00:21:43.300 He doesn't want debate.

00:21:44.260 He doesn't want to think about this.

00:21:45.800 He just wants to say, we know identity politics are bad.

00:21:49.360 Some guys over there said something about identity politics.

00:21:52.600 We want them to be wrong.

00:21:54.200 And so therefore they're just like woke.

00:21:56.060 Now I do think it's important and I've already talked about this, so I'm not going to belabor

00:21:59.840 the point, but if you want to go to the episodes where I discussed it in detail, you should.

00:22:04.040 There is always some level of identity politics.

00:22:07.980 All politics is about identity in some way.

00:22:11.280 Coalition is building is the core of all politics and specifically democratic politics.

00:22:18.540 Excuse me.

00:22:19.500 Now I'm not a fan of democratic politics, but James Lindsay sure is.

00:22:23.500 And so if he is purporting the idea that democracy is great, he's going to have to

00:22:28.400 acknowledge at some level that identity plays a role.

00:22:31.660 Now the question is always what identity is salient is your nation salient is your religion.

00:22:38.740 The salient principle is your race or ethnicity, the salient principle.

00:22:43.600 There are so many class, all of these things could be the defining, uh, identity when it

00:22:50.180 comes to how politics are done.

00:22:51.940 I prefer a level of identity in America that finds the ways in which we can bind together

00:22:58.900 rather than tear ourselves apart.

00:23:01.100 But identity does not stop to exist simply because we go identity, bad identity, bad.

00:23:07.220 This is a foolish and small minded way to understand the world.

00:23:11.120 It doesn't mean that we should embrace leftist identity politics.

00:23:14.880 I don't think whether we should.

00:23:16.020 And I think those on the right, uh, who are pushing that I generally disagree with that

00:23:21.180 tactic though.

00:23:22.100 I understand where they're coming from and I feel like we can still find common ground,

00:23:25.820 but the entire point here is to remove common ground.

00:23:29.280 The trigonometry guys and James are really, um, ultimately not interested in common ground.

00:23:34.320 They want to demonize people.

00:23:35.760 And so rather than figure out nuance and ways in which you could build bridges and discuss

00:23:39.560 these issues, it's best to just call everybody woke and move on.

00:23:43.280 We'll continue to go through this guys.

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00:24:53.080 All right, let's jump right back into the trigonometry clip here.

00:24:57.660 So we can hear a little more about what they're saying very specifically.

00:25:01.080 And so there's, there's this, you know, grievance identity.

00:25:06.480 Everything's bad for white Christian men, straight white Christian men.

00:25:10.900 We're the oppressed minority under this.

00:25:13.420 So what James is going to say here, or what he's already saying is that it's not okay to

00:25:20.000 notice that the system at this point has demonized white male Christians.

00:25:26.140 Now, the funny thing about James is his entire work is dedicated to investigating all the

00:25:32.100 ways in which the system has been set up so that it demonizes white male Christians.

00:25:39.160 James knows perfectly well that this is the case.

00:25:41.600 He's done the research.

00:25:42.760 He's laid out all of the people involved.

00:25:45.360 Uh, and he knows that one of that many of their core tenants for deconstructing the West

00:25:49.920 are to target four groups.

00:25:51.780 The, the, the, the left is not coy about who they hate and who they think is a danger.

00:25:57.480 They hate men.

00:25:58.700 They hate Christians.

00:26:00.160 They hate white people.

00:26:01.860 And they hate straight people.

00:26:03.680 They've been very clear.

00:26:04.680 This is the problem.

00:26:05.340 It's cis normative.

00:26:06.580 It's hetero normative.

00:26:08.100 It's, uh, you know, it's patriarchal.

00:26:10.360 Uh, it's, it's, it's whiteness is everywhere.

00:26:12.840 It's this Christian mentality.

00:26:14.780 These are the things that they list as problems.

00:26:17.700 James is perfectly aware of this.

00:26:20.120 So he's, it's not some weird persecution complex and James knows that.

00:26:25.460 So he's just lying.

00:26:28.100 I mean, there's, there's, I hate, I want to just have disagreements intellectually, right?

00:26:32.120 I don't want to slander someone.

00:26:33.860 I don't want to throw harsh words around.

00:26:36.200 That's not my intent here.

00:26:37.520 Uh, you can listen to James and you can make your own decision, but it's very clear that

00:26:41.940 he knows all of these things are true.

00:26:44.180 James is also perfectly aware that institutions have been actively biased against white males.

00:26:50.920 He knows that universities have refused entrance by white male Christians, basically on those

00:26:57.800 traits alone, they have reduced the percentage of people who are allowed to enter with those

00:27:02.520 traits and they've increased the percentage of people that have other traits.

00:27:06.240 Again, he works in this, he has accumulated this data.

00:27:09.800 He is not unaware of the systemic intolerance towards these groups.

00:27:15.500 Now, again, I don't think it's healthy to then turn yourself into a victim.

00:27:20.160 I think that that is the mistake that so many groups on the left who might have had some level

00:27:25.980 of legitimate grievance at some point have done.

00:27:28.640 They have turned that into a narrative about why the system needs to turn around and favor them.

00:27:34.020 I'm not particularly interested in doing that.

00:27:36.200 I think that a lot of people will do great if we simply remove the restrictions we have now.

00:27:42.300 I think that was really sufficient for a lot of white male Christians who have been pushed

00:27:47.120 out of institutions and out of competition to once again, rise because they will no longer

00:27:53.100 have these artificial restrictions.

00:27:54.440 But James is perfectly aware that the legal barriers and the institutional barriers exist.

00:28:00.720 He has done large amounts of research on this.

00:28:03.860 He has laid out the ways in which the theories that he researches have exactly this element

00:28:11.740 to them.

00:28:12.260 But now he's pretending that they don't.

00:28:14.720 It's literally his life's work.

00:28:16.800 And now he's pretending it just doesn't exist.

00:28:19.020 Why?

00:28:19.220 Because woke right, baby, it's friend and it's enemy.

00:28:23.940 All of my principles, all of my research, all my truth goes right out the window.

00:28:28.740 The minute I'm describing people, I disagree with.

00:28:31.940 It's really that simple.

00:28:33.620 James is playing politics.

00:28:35.300 He's not actually doing his job.

00:28:37.500 And so he needs to misrepresent the situation and the things he knows and the things that

00:28:40.960 he himself has proven so that, you know, his case can be made.

00:28:45.220 There's an ideology and this kind of bleeds into the philosophical idea, but we'll get

00:28:51.180 more specific with that in a second.

00:28:53.340 There's this kind of belief that there's this ruling class that's erected an ideology to

00:28:57.820 marginalize people like them.

00:28:59.460 That sounds very much like woke.

00:29:00.820 So again, James has studied the ruling class.

00:29:05.760 Like he, now maybe he won't call them the ruling class, but he has studied academia.

00:29:10.420 He has studied corporations and the way in which they've deployed wokeness for many different

00:29:16.220 things.

00:29:16.580 But one of the main things they have deployed it for is to strip out what they believe to

00:29:21.240 be white or male or Christian ideas and norms and to limit the entrance of those people in.

00:29:28.660 He knows this.

00:29:30.560 He is professionally accumulated the evidence.

00:29:35.700 And yet he's here like, Oh, they've come up with this conspiracy theory.

00:29:39.300 Well, they could have done it from your own work, man.

00:29:43.060 It's just ridiculous.

00:29:45.020 Except instead of saying that it's like the white people create the white ruling class created

00:29:50.020 white supremacy to marginalize people of color, especially black and indigenous and their

00:29:53.960 ways of knowing from getting inside the woke right or the woke fascist side says instead

00:29:59.060 that following world war two on the back of Hitler and the idea of never again, there was

00:30:05.340 erected a post-war liberal consensus.

00:30:09.120 Starting in the 1940s, immediately starting in 1945, the creation of the United Nations was

00:30:14.160 part of this.

00:30:14.800 The signing on to the United Nations was part of this.

00:30:17.300 They assigned William Buckley to Bill Buckley to having done a route to drive the true

00:30:24.460 conservatives to the margins.

00:30:26.520 So the people in this sphere really hate the post-war consensus thing, which is funny because

00:30:32.940 I never heard it used until R.R.

00:30:34.920 Reno used it in his book, Return of the Strong Gods.

00:30:38.160 Now, Reno is not a radical at all.

00:30:40.740 The guy writes for first things, he's a very thoughtful guy, but the term is, as far as I

00:30:48.580 understand, more or less tied to him.

00:30:51.000 Some people else, you know, he probably got it from somewhere, but that's really where

00:30:54.180 I started, you know, hearing it.

00:30:56.100 And I've been in right-wing spaces for a long time, so if it had been commonly used somewhere

00:31:00.720 else, I would have known this.

00:31:02.820 But the post-war consensus is just a great term because it really describes the different

00:31:08.560 ways in which we had aspects of our culture come together after World War II and try to

00:31:15.520 put away the things that might create the return of, you know, the things that they feared

00:31:21.500 in authoritarian leaders, right?

00:31:24.040 This is documented in R.R.

00:31:25.700 Reno's book.

00:31:26.360 You should absolutely read it.

00:31:27.640 This is also documented, funnily enough, in the work of Chris Ruffo in his book.

00:31:34.100 And he didn't use that same term, but he outlines more or less the same thing when we get the

00:31:41.140 authoritarian personality, all these things on the way in which the existence of white

00:31:47.160 people itself is a problem, European nations are an issue, you know, the nuclear family,

00:31:53.000 Christianity, these are all things that perpetuate the authoritarian personality and they need

00:31:57.800 to be pushed away.

00:31:58.780 This is the anti-fascism crusade that, again, Paul Gottfried lays out in his book on anti-fascism.

00:32:04.660 Now, the thing is that James Lindsay agrees with this.

00:32:08.060 That's it.

00:32:08.860 That's why he is dismissing this.

00:32:11.000 He agrees with that crusade.

00:32:12.640 He doesn't like Christianity.

00:32:14.800 He does not, and he ultimately does not like any actual right-wing thought.

00:32:19.880 Now, he doesn't like authoritarianism.

00:32:21.700 Fair enough.

00:32:22.280 I certainly don't want to see Adolf Hitler or anything.

00:32:25.140 But ultimately, what James Lindsay is trying to push is this idea that it's absurd that

00:32:31.340 after World War II, there was this rather serious re-creation of our institutions and ideologies

00:32:39.200 in order to advance a very contained understanding of the political spectrum.

00:32:44.120 Now, the only problem with James Lindsay arguing against this is history.

00:32:48.760 The biggest problem is this is all well-documented.

00:32:54.060 Again, there are excellent books about it, some of which James probably contributed to at

00:32:59.800 some level of research or had some influence on.

00:33:03.280 James is familiar with all of the Marxists who pushed a lot of this post-war consensus.

00:33:09.500 But James agrees with the post-war consensus, so he doesn't want you to think about that

00:33:14.260 very much.

00:33:15.140 Bill Buckley absolutely purged the right.

00:33:17.760 This is not some theoretical idea.

00:33:20.340 The founding of National Review was very clearly one of the things Buckley was doing was trying

00:33:26.880 to push a lot of people out there.

00:33:28.060 Now, maybe you think the Birchers and other guys like that shouldn't be in the right.

00:33:32.300 You can make that decision, but you probably haven't made that decision because you probably

00:33:36.280 don't know what I'm talking about because all those people got purged.

00:33:39.200 They got pushed out of the right-wing movement.

00:33:40.700 You have no idea who they are.

00:33:42.380 So all of these pre-war understandings of right-wing thought were more or less outlawed.

00:33:47.780 Again, you can look at someone like Russell Kirk, who is himself a standard bearer for conservative,

00:33:53.980 wrote the conservative mind, is not exactly a flamethrower in a lot of ways, and yet lays

00:34:01.360 out a lot of the thought that was precluded from moving forward because of the censorship

00:34:08.520 of guys like Buckley, but he just kind of hand waves away, oh, it's some kind of weird

00:34:13.120 conspiracy theory.

00:34:15.100 Don't look into it.

00:34:16.620 Don't know history.

00:34:18.180 Don't read any books written before 1940.

00:34:20.740 Super important that you don't know anything about the world before the post-war consensus,

00:34:25.220 but the post-war consensus is just, it's a myth, right?

00:34:27.620 They just made it up.

00:34:29.060 Buckley, he's just the right-wing.

00:34:31.180 He's always been what the right-wing is.

00:34:32.600 That a false post-war liberal consensus conservative movement could rise up, the neocons, and hold

00:34:39.920 them out.

00:34:40.280 So the neocons become this kind of hegemonic force within the conservative faction that

00:34:46.220 edges out so-called true conservatism and these more dangerous, so to speak, ideas.

00:34:52.600 So again, he's laying this out as this is some kind of weird conspiracy theory.

00:34:58.560 This is just like the fact that you can go to Wikipedia and get this, a notoriously not

00:35:04.940 right-wing source, and it will tell you about the battles between the neoconservatives and

00:35:10.760 the establishment conservatives at the time, and then the battle between the neoconservatives

00:35:14.740 and what you could call the new right or the paleoconservatives.

00:35:18.080 It's funny that those get used interchangeably, even though the connotations seem very different.

00:35:22.380 I think paleoconservative is more accurate, but ultimately the point is, this is all highly

00:35:28.920 documented.

00:35:29.740 This is just history.

00:35:31.420 It is embarrassing that this guy is getting on a large podcast and laying out just factual

00:35:37.540 history as if it is some kind of weird conspiracy.

00:35:41.400 If you don't believe me, again, you can just go to Wikipedia.

00:35:45.360 Everything he's saying here is verified by left-wing sources.

00:35:49.660 It doesn't make any sense, but James is like,

00:35:51.840 oh yeah, it's such a weird thing that the right-wingers came up with.

00:35:54.860 Like fascist ideas, like Carl Schmitt's ideas about unbound executives and friend-enemy politics

00:36:00.960 and so on, that these ideas all had to be...

00:36:03.560 James loves bringing up Carl Schmitt.

00:36:06.300 He absolutely loves it, okay?

00:36:07.980 But the funny thing about James is he is a practitioner of friend-enemy politics, because

00:36:13.420 everybody is a practitioner of friend-enemy politics, if you understand what that term

00:36:18.160 actually means, instead of just memeing it.

00:36:20.620 James is creating the term woke right because he wants a friend-enemy distinction.

00:36:25.660 He's trying to say, some people are off limits.

00:36:27.880 Some ideas are off limits.

00:36:29.160 They're bad.

00:36:29.720 And over there, you can't touch them.

00:36:31.540 He is creating exactly the dynamic.

00:36:33.420 He is pushing against push to the side on the pretext that World War II or a Adolf Hitler

00:36:40.220 can never rise again.

00:36:41.420 And so therefore, the true conservatives who represented conservative politics and kept

00:36:46.300 at bay the beast of the left, which they say is that the right's true function is to

00:36:51.400 keep at bay the left.

00:36:53.100 In other words, to have a war right versus left.

00:36:56.000 So James is confused that political opposition exists, I guess.

00:37:02.220 He's like, ah, the right being a force to hold back destructive left-wing ideas, that's

00:37:09.300 crazy.

00:37:09.840 So we're not allowed to have opposition political parties?

00:37:13.440 The left is just supposed to do whatever it wants?

00:37:16.460 Even if you have the most basic, low-tier understanding of politics, the joke is that conservatives

00:37:24.660 conservatives are the brake on the liberal revolution.

00:37:27.820 Like, you know, this is not like crazy distant theory.

00:37:30.860 This is like Rush Limbaugh, you know, talking points.

00:37:34.580 And yet somehow James is like, this is a crazy idea because James is a leftist.

00:37:40.760 Everybody in the middle, I guess, taking, you know, taking fire in the crossfire.

00:37:45.760 But they believe that this post-war liberal consensus in the neoconservative movement literally

00:37:51.480 was designed to marginalize their perspectives and to keep these other more radical right-wing

00:37:56.800 ideas out of, out of play.

00:37:59.520 So this is a very woke way of thinking about the world, that there was a structural construction

00:38:04.960 of the social and political and cultural environment designed to exclude people like them.

00:38:10.260 So again, James literally professionally researches the systemic effort to exclude people from

00:38:20.220 institutions based on their political understanding, based on their, you know, their race, their gender,

00:38:26.840 all these things from the left.

00:38:28.720 He knows this happens.

00:38:30.360 He has proven that this is hap, this happens.

00:38:32.960 He has laid out the doctrine that makes this happen.

00:38:35.100 But then he's saying, if you notice it, you're woke.

00:38:38.940 It's literally his job to notice it.

00:38:41.180 But if you notice it, you're woke.

00:38:43.920 In order to be able to achieve certain political agendas.

00:38:47.040 And now they believe that they've woken up to these ideas.

00:38:50.260 Woke.

00:38:50.700 They've found them again.

00:38:52.240 They've read the forbidden philosophers, Carl Schmitt, Julius Evola, James Burnham, and so on.

00:38:58.300 So again, this is, this is very, very embarrassing for James.

00:39:02.740 He just doesn't know what he's talking about.

00:39:04.580 Now, Carl Schmitt, obviously, this is a man who's part of the Nationalist Socialist Party.

00:39:10.100 This is a man who made terrible decisions during his life.

00:39:12.720 He is deeply morally flawed.

00:39:14.460 So is Machiavelli.

00:39:15.960 That doesn't mean that he was entirely wrong about the nature of politics.

00:39:20.680 You know, Plato suggested that in the Republic, you could steal all the people's kids at like

00:39:25.560 seven years old and the state would like dictate everybody's jobs and identities.

00:39:29.180 Has James Dredney Plato?

00:39:31.320 If, I mean, if he hasn't, that would really explain a lot.

00:39:33.800 But if he has, is James like a platonic fascist in that sense?

00:39:39.020 Just as reading something and understanding that Plato got some stuff right mean that you

00:39:43.420 agree with everything he ever said in the Republic?

00:39:45.600 Does it mean that you're tied to his time advising the tyrant of Syracuse?

00:39:51.020 You know, Aristotle was somebody who was a teacher of Alexander the Great.

00:39:54.400 Alexander the Great killed like millions of people probably at some point across his conquering

00:39:59.980 adventures.

00:40:00.780 If you've read Aristotle, does that make you a supporter of those slaughters?

00:40:05.800 No, of course not.

00:40:07.700 That's ridiculous.

00:40:09.600 This is just a bunch of guilt by association.

00:40:13.100 James likes to pretend he's an academic.

00:40:15.200 He's worked in academia.

00:40:16.440 He should know that slandering people who have theories, you know, von Braun was a Nazi when

00:40:24.480 he got brought over to work on the rocket program that got America to the moon.

00:40:29.580 Does that mean that all of our rockets are actually fascist?

00:40:33.000 Or does that just mean that if someone discovers a principle that is correct about something

00:40:38.820 that happens in the world, it continues to be right even if he's a bad person or if he

00:40:43.260 was connected to bad people.

00:40:45.580 Also, hilariously, I've not read a lot of Julie Silvola.

00:40:48.520 I read one book, Ride the Tiger.

00:40:50.320 I wasn't very impressed.

00:40:51.560 I know some people are big on Evola, but maybe there's other books that are better,

00:40:55.200 but I did not find him a very impressive figure.

00:40:58.860 The last and most embarrassing one here, he lists is James Burnham.

00:41:01.960 Now, he just went on and on about the neocons and how it's in ridiculous that anyone believes

00:41:07.580 that the neocons forced out all the real right-wing thought.

00:41:10.840 And then he lists James Burnham as one of the people who is this ancient and forbidden

00:41:15.720 text.

00:41:16.700 James Burnham was a neocon.

00:41:18.880 He literally helped to found the National Review.

00:41:22.180 He was an ex-Trotskyite.

00:41:23.740 Now, James Burnham as a brilliant thinker when it came to the mechanics of politics, he was

00:41:29.840 also a neoconservative.

00:41:31.000 I disagree thoroughly with James Burnham on several things, including the extent to which

00:41:35.800 he was a neoconservative.

00:41:37.780 But the idea that James Burnham is the arch-reactionary and the neocons pushed him out is just false

00:41:46.200 on every level.

00:41:47.300 James has no clue what he's talking about.

00:41:49.340 He is embarrassing himself.

00:41:51.620 He does not know the intellectual lineage he's discussing because he has not bothered to

00:41:55.840 read or understand it.

00:41:57.420 He cannot place it properly.

00:41:58.740 He does not understand the relationship between James Burnham, which is why you see him running

00:42:02.980 around and saying, oh, well, there's, you know, they push guys like Heidegger and then they,

00:42:09.980 you know, and they push people.

00:42:12.680 Sorry.

00:42:13.220 Now, philosophers' names are leaving my brain.

00:42:15.600 I like Leo Strauss.

00:42:16.880 Now, they don't know that Leo Strauss is actually writing in opposition to Heidegger because they're

00:42:21.000 not familiar with this intellectual tradition.

00:42:24.140 That's fine.

00:42:24.840 You don't have to be.

00:42:25.660 But then why are you running around demonizing it?

00:42:28.620 You try actually learning that James Burnham was a neocon before trying to point out all

00:42:33.540 the ways in which he was, you know, some dark reactionary philosopher that was shoved out

00:42:39.140 by the neocons.

00:42:40.080 You just don't know what you're talking about.

00:42:42.140 And it's foolish.

00:42:43.380 They've read these things and they're bringing back a true conservatism that was excluded from

00:42:49.840 politics roughly since the end of World War II on the bogus pretense of preventing the rise of

00:42:56.020 another fascist like Hitler or Franco or Pinochet.

00:43:00.820 And so there's a very practical explanation for why they're woke, especially their behavior.

00:43:06.640 Lots of lying, lots of character attacks.

00:43:09.660 The good news, James certainly doesn't lie and he certainly doesn't engage in character attacks.

00:43:18.940 Come on, come on.

00:43:20.580 Like, this is just, I don't like people.

00:43:23.300 The woke right just means I don't like people.

00:43:25.980 He can't even, he can't even put the definition together.

00:43:29.140 It is embarrassing.

00:43:30.320 It is a joke.

00:43:31.580 It is absolutely a joke.

00:43:32.880 He lists a bunch of things he does and then he projects them on to a group of people out

00:43:38.580 there somewhere he can't define, but he's also against a friend enemy distinction or

00:43:43.240 something.

00:43:44.100 Carl Schmidt bad.

00:43:45.880 Lots of saying no enemies to the right, but they don't actually even attack the left.

00:43:50.080 That's their enemy.

00:43:50.960 So to speak at all, they only attack other conservatives, lots of power plays, lots of

00:43:55.100 manipulative, you know, speech.

00:43:56.780 And then there's the philosophy.

00:43:59.280 So James spends all of his time saying that the right is a real danger.

00:44:02.800 He's made this very clear.

00:44:04.460 You, you don't, I'm not making this up.

00:44:06.980 Go check his Twitter.

00:44:08.260 He has said this over and over and over again.

00:44:11.100 The right is the real problem.

00:44:12.740 The right is what I confer is concerned about.

00:44:14.840 I'm going to attack the right.

00:44:16.680 But now he is saying, oh no, it's the woke right that attacks the right.

00:44:19.800 He's literally attacking the right by doing that.

00:44:22.120 But he has also made it very clear that ultimately he only pushed back against left because he

00:44:27.720 needs them to be a real resistance to the right.

00:44:31.100 James is a partisan.

00:44:32.380 He is a partisan leftist.

00:44:34.080 He is not a conservative.

00:44:35.260 He has no interest in being on the right.

00:44:37.420 He wants to fight against the right.

00:44:39.100 He has made that extremely clear.

00:44:41.900 Again, I'm not taking this out of context.

00:44:43.800 This is not, I'm not making this up.

00:44:46.280 Basic search will find this for you.

00:44:48.260 He says this all the time.

00:44:49.720 The right is the real problem.

00:44:50.960 But, but, woke right, attacking the right all the time.

00:44:55.620 Okay, buddy.

00:44:56.820 ...deeper aspect.

00:44:58.900 Why woke?

00:44:59.720 What does woke mean?

00:45:00.940 Woke up to a structural politics that marginalizes people like me.

00:45:04.960 And we need to band together in solidarity, no enemies to the right, in order to be able

00:45:08.980 to create a powerful enough oppressed coalition to flip over the power structure by putting

00:45:14.780 ourselves at the center and claiming power for ourselves.

00:45:17.600 James Lindsay is sitting in a room with two guys who agree with him.

00:45:23.960 They are talking to other people that agree with them and they are attempting to create

00:45:30.420 a consensus that pushes out all other people, centers themselves in political power and excludes

00:45:36.560 alternatives.

00:45:37.200 Again, this is just projection.

00:45:39.480 What he is describing is politics.

00:45:41.800 He's saying the right are engaged in politics.

00:45:46.020 The woke right are people who are actually, who are effectively engaged in politics.

00:45:50.140 He is currently doing the same thing.

00:45:52.240 He's doing exactly the thing he's accusing the woke right of.

00:45:55.600 Here are the people I agree with.

00:45:56.980 I will only talk to them.

00:45:58.360 We will not talk to anyone else.

00:46:00.060 And we will only push our own power, our own influence.

00:46:04.180 We want to gatekeep everybody else out of power and make sure that we are the only relevant

00:46:09.120 people to this discussion.

00:46:11.700 Also watch out for the woke right.

00:46:13.100 They're doing all that stuff too, but it's bad because they're doing it.

00:46:18.160 This is explicitly woke, having a critical consciousness about the way the world is organized.

00:46:23.300 Tucker Carlson, for example, if you listen to Tucker, a lot of people really like Tucker.

00:46:29.860 Tucker is pretty critical of America.

00:46:32.920 He's not doing a Howard Zinn critical America theory.

00:46:39.500 Howard Zinn being the one who wrote the people's history, so the Marxist history of the United

00:46:42.820 States propaganda.

00:46:44.660 He's writing a different critical history of the United States.

00:46:48.600 So if you watch anything about Tucker Carlson, the first thing that comes away from Tucker is

00:46:53.060 how much he deeply loves the country and the people of the country.

00:46:56.560 That's why he has the audience that he does.

00:46:58.400 Tucker's a smart guy.

00:46:59.400 He's got an incredible gift when it comes to creating monologues in these things.

00:47:04.640 But ultimately, Tucker connects with people because they feel like he cares about the

00:47:10.240 United States and he cares about them.

00:47:13.560 Whenever you hear Tucker say anything bad, it's actually just about the ruling class in

00:47:18.820 the United States as it exists now.

00:47:20.940 He doesn't want to go to war forever in Ukraine.

00:47:24.120 Now, Constantine Kisten does.

00:47:25.660 He doesn't want to go to war forever in Israel.

00:47:28.820 But Constantine Kisten does.

00:47:30.820 These guys are huge fans of the regime's forever wars.

00:47:35.940 They are huge fans of the institutions as we see them now.

00:47:41.080 Tucker opposes institutions that are very obviously currently oriented towards their own profit,

00:47:47.820 their own motives, and not for what's best for the American people.

00:47:53.100 But Lindsey says noticing this is woke.

00:47:56.040 If you notice that an institution called the Department of Education doesn't educate anybody.

00:48:00.640 And if you notice that the Department of Defense never defends the American border.

00:48:04.040 And if you notice that the Border Patrol doesn't actually prevent people from coming in to the

00:48:10.840 United States, you're woke.

00:48:13.180 You're woke.

00:48:14.020 You're criticizing America.

00:48:15.680 You must hate America.

00:48:17.100 No, he's criticizing the institutions that have failed Americans.

00:48:20.140 But for Lindsey and for the trigonometry guys and for liberals in general, that's the same thing.

00:48:28.140 That's why when the left says they're attacking our democracy, what they really mean is the

00:48:31.700 institutions we control.

00:48:33.440 Now, Lindsey might not like some of the things that the progressives are doing with those

00:48:37.200 institutions, but Lindsey believes deeply that the mission of those institutions are

00:48:42.840 the United States that like going and funneling infinite dollars to Ukraine is the United States

00:48:49.120 that funding infinite dollars to the border of Israel is the United States.

00:48:53.900 I just disagree with that.

00:48:55.300 I think that maybe we should just defend the United States with that money.

00:48:59.120 But that's woke talk.

00:49:00.380 You can't notice that that's woke.

00:49:02.540 You're a woke person.

00:49:03.400 Don't do that.

00:49:04.080 Very dangerous.

00:49:04.840 Very bad.

00:49:05.660 Friend enemy distinction doesn't exist, but you're the enemy.

00:49:07.720 Just want to make sure you know that.

00:49:08.920 Well, the constitution was, you know, not really adequate to prevent all of this.

00:49:14.400 There is a world.

00:49:15.920 Uh, well, here we are.

00:49:20.580 James went through the lockdown, right?

00:49:22.440 He knows that pastors were arrested.

00:49:25.000 Like he knows that people were locked in their homes.

00:49:28.480 He knows that people were thrown in jail for trying to sit on the beach in violation of

00:49:34.820 the constitution and they didn't pay a price.

00:49:38.080 And the constitution doesn't stop that.

00:49:41.000 James knows that he's aware.

00:49:43.340 He's just presenting the facts as if they're absurd.

00:49:46.600 This is a, this is a Jon Stewart technique, by the way, in case you're trying to, he's

00:49:50.240 far less funny than Jon Stewart, uh, which is saying something because Jon Stewart hasn't

00:49:54.020 been funny for a long time.

00:49:55.580 Uh, but, uh, this is a Jon Stewart tactic where you just say the truth, but you like put

00:50:00.740 in a weird face and mug for the camera.

00:50:02.620 And then it's absurd.

00:50:06.260 So it's absurd that you would think that the constitution didn't stop all that stuff that

00:50:10.580 you watched happen.

00:50:12.340 Now I would make the argument that the constitution laid out protections against this and that

00:50:17.800 a lot of leftists that James cheered on for a long time led a revolution against those

00:50:23.040 protections.

00:50:23.520 And that put us exactly where we are now.

00:50:26.040 So it's not the constitution couldn't protect us.

00:50:28.860 It's that the constitution never protected us in and of itself.

00:50:31.860 It was that the virtue of the people believing in the folkways, traditions and principles and

00:50:38.020 religion of the United States were creating a document that inculcated the next generation

00:50:44.480 and the things they believed in.

00:50:46.640 There's nothing magical about the piece of paper or document itself.

00:50:49.320 It's the people of the nation and their belief in those principles that actually animates

00:50:53.060 and protects us.

00:50:54.380 But James is like, nah, man, like it's written some down somewhere on paper and that fixes

00:50:59.300 it.

00:50:59.440 And if you observed all the stuff that didn't happen and you know that the constitution

00:51:03.560 didn't stop it, well, you're woke or something.

00:51:06.740 Yeah, bad.

00:51:07.760 No friend and enemy distinction except you.

00:51:09.560 You're bad.

00:51:09.980 You're the enemy.

00:51:10.500 Post-World War II liberal consensus or world order that we're all being made subject to.

00:51:16.420 Well, look at how America was involved in all of these things.

00:51:18.840 America bad.

00:51:19.500 America bad.

00:51:20.120 America bad.

00:51:20.580 Also, the UK was pretty bad, too.

00:51:22.160 And America bad.

00:51:23.040 America bad.

00:51:23.680 There's this kind of constant critical negativity.

00:51:26.500 You see some of these characters.

00:51:27.560 I mentioned Tucker Carlson, but you see some of these characters like Stephen Wolf, who wrote

00:51:30.760 the book The Case for Christian Nationalism, has put multiple times on social media.

00:51:34.400 And I don't know what he said in public talks.

00:51:36.720 I've only heard one of his public talks.

00:51:38.400 But you see him on social media saying more than once that he has adopted critical theory

00:51:43.880 specifically for his own purposes and to his own ends.

00:51:47.780 He has adopted it.

00:51:48.620 He was recently saying on social media, somebody sent it to me, so I have to, I guess, confirm

00:51:52.560 this.

00:51:53.000 But he was saying that, in fact, the critical theory he uses is not the perverted version

00:52:01.020 of critical theory that the left has used.

00:52:03.000 It's its own more correct version of critique that goes back before the left, yada, yada.

00:52:08.400 Now, I don't know if this is true at all.

00:52:11.880 I've read Stephen Wolf's book, but that's it.

00:52:15.900 Like, I'm not super familiar with his work outside of that.

00:52:18.380 I don't remember him mentioning critical theory in the book, but it's possible.

00:52:23.120 I really don't know.

00:52:24.320 So I can't answer any of these charges.

00:52:26.440 That said, Stephen Wolf is not like everybody.

00:52:31.080 Again, the purpose is to just lump anyone who disagrees with these guys into the same bucket.

00:52:37.940 So in anything that one guy believes, everybody thereby believes, even though I don't like

00:52:43.100 Julius Evola, I'm, you know, must be one of these guys who really likes him because

00:52:48.320 woke right, you know, they're the enemy.

00:52:50.900 They're all in the same basket.

00:52:51.840 And so how do you not call the attempt to awaken a critical consciousness of the power

00:52:59.080 structure that you believe has delegitimized your movement, how do you not call that woke

00:53:03.240 when woke means having awoken to a critical consciousness that there's a structural force

00:53:07.480 that has delegitimized people in your political positionality?

00:53:11.020 It's the exact same thing, unfortunately.

00:53:13.480 It's just pushing a, um, people in place kind of driven fascism, as opposed to a, uh, we're

00:53:22.420 going to end all oppression by becoming the oppressors communism.

00:53:26.780 So again, James is like anybody who is, uh, doing politics, uh, and disagrees with me is

00:53:32.800 woke.

00:53:33.320 That's basically it.

00:53:34.260 He's like, Hey, here's all these things I do on a regular basis and all these things

00:53:38.200 I know, and I've proven, uh, but because, uh, people who disagree with me are pointing

00:53:43.480 to them now they're bad, right?

00:53:45.500 Like that now they don't exist and they're not real.

00:53:48.880 Um, I'm going to lie about people.

00:53:50.620 I'm going to misrepresent people.

00:53:52.000 I'm going to create coalitions by excluding others and creating an in-group that only talks

00:53:57.120 to itself and insulates itself.

00:53:58.760 I'm going to point out all the problems of the system and all the issues, but don't you

00:54:03.360 do it.

00:54:03.860 That's woke.

00:54:04.460 It's woke when you do it.

00:54:05.480 It's woke when you do it.

00:54:06.480 Uh, it's fine when I do it though.

00:54:07.660 I'm, I'm neutral.

00:54:08.900 I'm, I'm the neutral liberal option.

00:54:10.640 You're, you're the bad people.

00:54:11.980 You're right wing.

00:54:12.680 And as James has said many times, the right is the real problem is very well explained.

00:54:17.500 And that's kind of why I haven't been called is not very well explained is very poorly explained,

00:54:21.800 which is why you want someone, uh, Constantine, uh, who actually opposes you to have a discussion

00:54:28.800 so that you're not just sitting there nodding along with something that's ridiculous, contradictory.

00:54:33.480 I had several outright lies, uh, in it that you could have pointed out at any point, but

00:54:39.020 you didn't because you're, you're just here to be an echo chamber.

00:54:43.380 You just agree with James and you just have them on like to create this little bubble for

00:54:47.460 yourselves because marketplace of ideas, uh, debate, it's got a free speech is going to

00:54:51.320 solve all the problems guys.

00:54:52.680 Uh, that's why we don't talk to anybody who disagrees with us.

00:54:54.740 And we just nod along, uh, with people who do.

00:54:56.800 Even though I'm not sure it is, um, the best term, but the behavior is the same, right?

00:55:03.620 It's quite obviously the same victimhood, cancel culture, cancel culture, lying about his

00:55:08.060 cancel culture, cancel culture.

00:55:11.960 Okay.

00:55:13.520 So here's the hilarious thing about cancel culture.

00:55:17.420 You need to be able to cancel someone.

00:55:20.340 So let me ask you, uh, what are people debanked for?

00:55:23.740 Are they debanked for being communists?

00:55:26.660 No.

00:55:27.740 Are they debanked for being liberals?

00:55:30.320 No.

00:55:31.220 Are they debanked for being right-wing?

00:55:33.520 Yes.

00:55:34.880 Okay.

00:55:35.300 Uh, what are people fired for?

00:55:37.320 Are they fired for being communists?

00:55:40.140 No.

00:55:40.980 Are they fired for being liberals?

00:55:42.620 No.

00:55:43.620 Are they fired for being right-wing?

00:55:45.440 Yes.

00:55:46.560 Are people held back for promotion for being right-wing?

00:55:48.840 Yes.

00:55:49.560 Liberal communists?

00:55:50.420 No.

00:55:51.660 So when he says cancel culture, what is he talking about?

00:55:56.300 The right can't cancel people.

00:55:58.160 They don't have the ability.

00:55:59.420 When someone on the right wants to cancel people, you know what they do?

00:56:02.040 They find out that that person was too far to the right, and then they use the standards

00:56:05.320 of the left.

00:56:06.660 That's how you actually cancel people on the right.

00:56:08.860 You use the power of the left, because the right does not have the power to cancel someone.

00:56:12.500 Now you can say, oh, that's talking about systemic oppression.

00:56:14.880 That's talking about the power structure.

00:56:16.560 Okay, cool.

00:56:17.500 But again, who actually gets debanked?

00:56:19.640 Who is losing their bank accounts?

00:56:22.580 It's right-wingers.

00:56:23.980 Marc Andreessen was bringing attention to this on Twitter, going through all the different

00:56:27.500 people like Dinesh D'Souza and others who lost their accounts because they were right-wing.

00:56:32.760 It doesn't happen to leftists.

00:56:34.740 They know this.

00:56:35.940 They're just lying.

00:56:38.200 They know the right can't cancel people, but they both sit there and nod.

00:56:41.280 Yes, yes, cancel culture.

00:56:43.060 Very bad.

00:56:43.760 Yeah, very bad.

00:56:44.480 Right-wing with their cancel culture that they can't do because they don't have power.

00:56:49.640 They can't cancel people.

00:56:51.920 That's the whole point.

00:56:53.360 You have to be able to actually bring some consequence.

00:56:56.980 They don't own the corporations.

00:56:58.960 They don't leverage the bank to do this.

00:57:01.860 Again, you can talk about victimhood mentality, but there are lots of examples of people on

00:57:07.640 the right losing their jobs, losing their bank accounts, losing their homes, losing their

00:57:15.120 entire lives because they had an opinion that is too right-wing.

00:57:19.240 This never happens to anyone on the left.

00:57:21.140 It just doesn't.

00:57:22.260 People are communist all day long.

00:57:24.040 They're Marxists all day long.

00:57:25.700 Nobody cares.

00:57:26.780 They don't get fired.

00:57:27.500 They don't lose bank accounts.

00:57:28.800 It's just garbage.

00:57:30.100 But they're like, yeah, yeah.

00:57:31.120 Woke right.

00:57:32.560 They're just debanking people all over the place.

00:57:34.600 No, they're not.

00:57:35.480 It's just a lie.

00:57:36.660 And they know they're lying.

00:57:37.820 But that's why they don't have anyone on that disagrees with them because then someone

00:57:41.040 would just be like, really, man?

00:57:42.660 Here is like basic evidence about all the things you're saying that are obviously incorrect

00:57:47.540 and are provably incorrect inside of 10 seconds.

00:57:50.420 But if you don't talk to those people, then you don't have to face any of that criticism.

00:57:55.720 History, all of this.

00:57:56.680 Yeah, rewriting history, lying about people, digging up people's past to cancel them.

00:58:01.240 It's unbelievable.

00:58:02.460 The one complaint that people have made about that I do think is valid is that they're not

00:58:07.260 comparable in terms of influence and power.

00:58:10.820 You know, the work left control for a period of time controlled what felt like everything.

00:58:15.700 The work right isn't anywhere near that level of influence at all.

00:58:19.400 And frankly.

00:58:20.460 Okay.

00:58:21.160 So why did you not log when he said cancel culture?

00:58:23.460 Like, that's a very valid point you just made, Constantine.

00:58:27.900 I made the same point.

00:58:29.260 Why did you just nod along and agree when he talked?

00:58:32.100 In fact, actually, I think Constantine was the one who introduced the idea that the woke

00:58:35.760 right were the people doing cancel culture.

00:58:38.320 But he's he's just going to point out that they don't have the very power to do that.

00:58:42.460 So why did you nod along?

00:58:44.380 You know, I wonder whether having talked about it as much as you and I have, we've maybe drawn

00:58:50.100 too much attention to a very small fringe because when we, like I said, when we went

00:58:54.600 to the Trump, so here it is, baby, here it is.

00:58:57.720 So this, this is, this is my favorite shell game.

00:59:00.760 This is a very serious problem.

00:59:02.620 I'm going to tweet about it all the time.

00:59:04.360 I'm going to create a conspiracy theories about angel summoners and the Pope and all of

00:59:09.020 these things.

00:59:09.440 By the way, this is all stuff.

00:59:10.780 James Lindsay has said about me.

00:59:11.980 I did a stream back about it.

00:59:13.140 If you think I'm lying, I broke down every one of the tweets.

00:59:15.500 He created an entire conspiracy theory where I'm some agent of the Pope bringing about

00:59:20.300 some Luciferian.

00:59:21.740 I think he said it was some God from the Middle East.

00:59:25.560 I'm trying to remember all of the, all of the insane conspiracy theory he created.

00:59:29.320 But he came up with like all of this stuff about the woke right.

00:59:33.100 But actually it turns out maybe it's just some small French.

00:59:36.360 So it's simultaneously the most dangerous thing that's going to take over the world.

00:59:39.460 And also it doesn't really matter because this is wholly disingenuous.

00:59:43.500 It's just slander.

00:59:46.120 It's a, it's a super dangerous thing.

00:59:48.480 That's going to take over the world when it needs to be.

00:59:50.740 And it's a marginal thing that has no influence when it needs to be.

00:59:55.580 What's the truth.

00:59:56.360 It doesn't matter.

00:59:56.940 There is no truth.

00:59:57.820 We're here to make friends and enemies.

00:59:59.680 That's the whole point.

01:00:00.540 Apparently I didn't see it.

01:00:02.540 I didn't, I talked to a lot of people there.

01:00:04.200 I listened to all the people on stage.

01:00:06.480 I didn't hear in, in, in either the statements or the response to what people were saying,

01:00:12.640 the type of conversation that you see online.

01:00:15.040 So it seems to me like it's a tiny fringe that's being amplified by bot farms and foreign meddling.

01:00:23.540 And you, and your constant, relentless complaining about it.

01:00:28.640 You, you're it.

01:00:30.720 You're, you're the Streisand effect.

01:00:32.760 If you think this is a real problem.

01:00:34.660 But again, whatever.

01:00:36.100 It's, it's, it's, it's entirely disingenuous.

01:00:38.100 Whatever I don't, I don't, I think increasingly, I don't think of it as real, even though, as

01:00:43.920 you say, there are one.

01:00:45.040 They just spent 10 minutes talking about something that's not real.

01:00:53.400 James Lindsay tweets about this constantly, but it's not real.

01:00:57.020 Constantine Kissen has been promoting this term, but it's not real.

01:01:00.820 Pick one, pick one.

01:01:03.540 Which one is it?

01:01:04.480 Is it real or not?

01:01:05.540 Is it a threat or not?

01:01:06.960 Is it something we need to watch out for or not?

01:01:08.960 Is it powerful or not?

01:01:10.260 It's just so disingenuous.

01:01:14.740 It's so ridiculous.

01:01:15.880 One or two people who are very influential in American politics, um, who have flirted with

01:01:22.300 some of these ideas.

01:01:23.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:23.820 That's a, that's a real.

01:01:25.420 Again, it's just, just, just so insane.

01:01:28.480 So insane.

01:01:29.780 Uh, none of it makes sense.

01:01:32.080 They, they refuse to talk to anyone they disagree with.

01:01:34.720 Other people.

01:01:35.460 It's not just me.

01:01:36.100 Like Dave Smith is somebody who's been suggested that they have this conversation with.

01:01:40.460 I think Dave did his own, uh, response to this.

01:01:43.340 Um, but they just don't care.

01:01:44.840 They're not going to talk to anybody else.

01:01:46.640 Uh, they, they talk to the people they agree with.

01:01:49.460 They say inside their echo chamber, uh, they manufactured a term.

01:01:53.340 Uh, they're trying to push the term while also trying to marginalize the people, uh, that

01:01:57.800 they think the term describes.

01:01:59.320 Uh, it's, it's everything that they want to pretend, uh, other people do.

01:02:04.480 They are projecting it entirely on those people.

01:02:07.720 Uh, it, it, it's comedic to say the least.

01:02:10.920 Uh, so anyway, that's it guys.

01:02:12.380 Like I said, I want to go through this.

01:02:13.860 Ultimately, this is just dying.

01:02:16.020 Uh, this term's got no traction.

01:02:18.160 No one cares about it.

01:02:19.380 These people are embarrassing themselves.

01:02:21.340 Uh, and so you don't need to worry about this at all.

01:02:23.740 Uh, they, they go on and on about how the term itself is pointless and meaningless and

01:02:28.200 bad, uh, how the people that they're trying to, uh, warn everybody out actually have

01:02:32.280 no power.

01:02:32.840 Their, their, their own rhetoric is self-defeating.

01:02:36.520 They don't even know it.

01:02:37.520 They don't know how to handle it.

01:02:38.680 It, it's a joke.

01:02:39.840 Uh, so let's move on to our, uh, questions of the people here real quick.

01:02:47.700 Uh, Alexandra says, Oh, let me get this down.

01:02:50.600 Cause it's covering this up.

01:02:52.320 Uh, Alexandra says, uh, my kiss and red pill is his tweet about how he could never call

01:02:58.540 the corporate press, the enemy of the people, but that sometimes they can be the enemy of

01:03:03.100 democracy.

01:03:04.220 Yeah.

01:03:04.640 Again, these guys are just not right wing.

01:03:07.540 Uh, they don't want to be right wing.

01:03:08.720 It's funny because kiss and also has a video on his channel right now being like, okay,

01:03:13.280 go ahead and call me right wing where he then goes on and says, actually, I'm not right

01:03:16.880 wing in the slightest.

01:03:17.680 Oh, but to be fair, at least he's better than, than James.

01:03:20.540 James has said that the right is the danger.

01:03:22.320 Uh, kiss and at least said, well, maybe the people who are like making your food and working

01:03:27.060 on farms and working in the military, maybe they're not all the worst people.

01:03:30.540 So I guess credit where it's due there somewhere, but yeah, ultimately these guys are just left

01:03:34.700 us and they have all the opinions that left us have.

01:03:37.160 Uh, and this is why they, you know, are, you know, uh, against a very simple phrase that

01:03:42.440 is very obvious.

01:03:43.060 Like these guys are acting as the enemy of the people.

01:03:46.080 Uh, and what is the difference between the enemy of the people, the enemy of democracy?

01:03:49.740 Nothing.

01:03:50.200 He just doesn't want to use the phrase that Trump used.

01:03:53.800 Um, Seth D says, uh, woke fascism made me laugh.

01:03:57.640 Thanks for making my day.

01:03:58.620 Yeah.

01:03:58.780 Again, empty terms, meaningless terms, something that they are completely unable to define

01:04:04.420 and they have no interest in defining.

01:04:05.820 It's just slander.

01:04:07.060 It's just, it's just slander.

01:04:09.180 That's all that is.

01:04:09.860 They want to get on and they want to warn people about people they don't like.

01:04:13.080 They don't know what they're talking about.

01:04:15.180 They don't know the thinkers they're talking about.

01:04:17.100 They can't even define the very term they're using.

01:04:19.620 They even admit the terms they're trying to use to define it are bad, but whatever.

01:04:24.360 Right?

01:04:24.600 Like just as long as we can get on here and say, we don't like these people and we're

01:04:27.680 not going to talk to them and you shouldn't talk to them either, but they're also not

01:04:30.700 very important.

01:04:31.220 So don't worry about them, but they are also very dangerous.

01:04:33.680 So worry about them.

01:04:34.480 Like it's just, it's so hilarious.

01:04:36.940 Uh, let's see here.

01:04:38.940 Jacob says it's not even nineties liberalism.

01:04:41.200 Bill Clinton was against gay marriage.

01:04:42.780 And then he's, yeah, that's again, a great point.

01:04:45.240 Uh, these guys are to the left of Bill Clinton.

01:04:47.000 They're to the left of Barack Obama.

01:04:48.680 They're to the left of Hillary Clinton, all of whom at some point were against gay marriage.

01:04:53.260 Uh, they are leftists.

01:04:55.120 They're just leftists.

01:04:56.480 That's, that's all there is to it.

01:04:57.740 They're not, they're not, uh, progressives in the like, uh, you know, uh, woke Marxists.

01:05:03.280 We got to, uh, turn everything into some, uh, oppressive, uh, you know, thing where we got

01:05:08.380 to chase down children and lop off the junk.

01:05:10.620 Basically it's a bunch of guys who sat around and made fun of Christians and, uh, called

01:05:15.020 everybody racist.

01:05:16.260 Uh, and then, uh, the left started, uh, you know, mutilating children and they're like,

01:05:20.200 whoa, that's a little far.

01:05:21.260 So now we're going to become conservative influencers who go around calling everybody

01:05:25.580 racist and, uh, warn people about Christians.

01:05:28.420 It's exactly the same behavior.

01:05:29.760 They just put on a new coat of paint.

01:05:31.120 It's the exact same gig.

01:05:34.660 Uh, creeper weirdo says, is the woke right in the room with us right now?

01:05:37.720 So yes, a hundred percent, uh, where did the way show us on the good doll where the

01:05:41.480 woke right touched you?

01:05:43.440 Um, creeper weirdo says, has everyone, has anyone asked James Lindsay to define fascism?

01:05:49.680 Anyone?

01:05:50.160 Uh, yeah, I would be interested to see his actual definition.

01:05:53.060 I got a feeling it's all the broad stuff.

01:05:55.120 Uh, you know, fascism is when there's an authoritarian fascism is with censorship or something.

01:06:00.580 Uh, I'm, I'm sure it's that kind of stuff.

01:06:02.340 I doubt it has any intellectual heft, but it would be interesting to see him try to do

01:06:05.260 it.

01:06:07.160 Uh, let's see here.

01:06:08.560 Uh, Daniel, uh, did Jaden, I probably said that wrong.

01:06:12.100 He says, I used to listen to Lindsay for summaries of leftist books that I don't want to read,

01:06:15.700 but he's becoming progressively more ridiculous and more corpulent.

01:06:18.980 I mean, again, I want to stick to the, uh, you know, the, uh, the, uh, criticism of the

01:06:26.360 sloppiness of the intellectual work and not anything else.

01:06:28.940 Uh, but the intellectual work is very sloppy.

01:06:31.800 I mean, I'm sure he's done good work, uh, at some point, uh, to the extent which he's

01:06:35.940 done that good for him.

01:06:37.000 Uh, but yeah, he has kind of made himself a laughingstock, uh, by now declaring a crusade

01:06:42.680 on something he can't define, uh, which in many ways is just projection of his own interest

01:06:47.360 in, uh, canceling people, sidelining people, uh, gatekeeping a side.

01:06:51.920 He, you know, says he doesn't even like, and ultimately is the problem.

01:06:55.720 Uh, Maddie, I says for Lindsay to actually have gone through technical academic leftist

01:07:01.200 work and know what's in it and to still consider, uh, an increase in power of the normie right

01:07:07.200 is incredibly, increasingly frightening and is still, and to still consider an increase

01:07:13.040 in power of the right of the normie right is actually incredibly frightening.

01:07:16.900 Sorry.

01:07:17.120 I'm probably misreading that, but I think you're ultimately saying that, uh, he he's looked

01:07:21.180 at all this literature and then fears the right more.

01:07:23.500 And yes, that is insane that he, that that's what he fears is that the mainstream right will

01:07:28.000 get too powerful.

01:07:29.460 Uh, even after looking at everything that the left has done and the actual power they hold.

01:07:34.080 Uh, creeper weirdo says in, uh, in seriousness, I've heard Doug Wilson critique the dank right.

01:07:39.160 And it's a, and that it's a legitimate enemy.

01:07:42.300 Lindsay is still a nuttier squirrel, uh, nuttier than squirrel poo.

01:07:46.080 Uh, yeah, I mean, I, I'm, uh, I'm not sure what Dick Wilson is doing.

01:07:50.860 I don't really want to get an extended critique in that.

01:07:53.180 I've kind of already, again, done a video on like why I disagreed with the manner in which

01:07:57.600 many people, uh, are going about their criticism, um, when it comes to, uh, the online right.

01:08:05.140 Uh, Doug was very kind about my book.

01:08:07.800 He recommended it multiple times.

01:08:09.280 It seems like a nice guy, but he has a weird, uh, jihad he's going on, on this.

01:08:14.180 There seems to be some kind of, uh, amazing bait.

01:08:16.860 Like if one and on post something mean online about like Israel or something, these guys

01:08:22.140 just lose their absolute minds.

01:08:23.700 I don't think they should do that.

01:08:25.160 But, um, yeah, these guys are like any criticism just means like you're a fascist or something.

01:08:30.140 It's like, no, I think you can probably just criticize the secular state of Israel, uh,

01:08:33.880 without like being hateful and being crazy, but apparently not.

01:08:38.260 Apparently they want everyone who has those criticisms to be lumped into the same, uh, the

01:08:42.860 the same basket.

01:08:43.580 I wonder why that is.

01:08:44.360 I wonder why it's so important to marginalize people with substantive critiques.

01:08:48.680 Anyway, uh, CreeperRitter says, James, just admit that, uh, Whitey scares you.

01:08:54.080 Um, Brahman Hank says, or Broman Hank says, nice work, Warren.

01:08:58.740 I think we tricked them.

01:08:59.780 See, see you at the next secret angel cult meeting later.

01:09:02.900 Yes.

01:09:03.200 I'll make sure everyone gets their angel cult decoder ring, uh, thing later on here.

01:09:07.700 Uh, tiny stupid demon says, getting tired of these folks release the angels.

01:09:12.720 Yes.

01:09:13.800 Uh, let's see angel summoners.

01:09:15.880 You, you must fear us.

01:09:18.160 Um, Max Woodbridge says I was Lindsay super fan.

01:09:23.260 What he's doing is disgraceful.

01:09:24.740 You're, uh, you're a universe above him intellectually.

01:09:27.100 He's trying to lump us in with Groypers and, uh, their door King who I think are a huge liability.

01:09:33.080 And I fear that this will work.

01:09:35.100 Uh, you know, I don't think that it's going to work, but I appreciate your kind words.

01:09:38.620 And ultimately, yeah, I think that is the effort, right.

01:09:40.600 Is to say, uh, there's some guys online who are, uh, you know, they, they act poorly.

01:09:45.860 They treat people poorly.

01:09:47.240 Uh, they, they advance a lot of views just to troll people.

01:09:50.380 And so the, they're the same as this, these people who are trying to set out actual critiques,

01:09:55.520 trying to find a way forward.

01:09:57.040 That is in some way, uh, you know, make sense intellectually, but also socially and spiritually.

01:10:01.920 I think that it is guilt by association.

01:10:04.480 I think that's exactly what the effort is.

01:10:06.300 That's what guys like Joel Berry are trying to do is what guys like James Lindsay are trying

01:10:09.840 to do.

01:10:10.120 So the trigonometry guys are trying to do, sadly, I think that's what Doug Wilson is

01:10:13.960 trying to do in some areas.

01:10:15.020 Uh, you know, if there's anywhere online, someone who's an anon who had a bad opinion,

01:10:19.380 then every anonymous person on Twitter has exactly that opinion.

01:10:23.000 If there's anybody who opposes the mainstream conservative consensus, um, then they must have all

01:10:28.620 the opinions of anybody else who, uh, poses the mainstream conservative assistance, uh, uh,

01:10:33.740 consensus.

01:10:34.400 And that's really, it's just a bunch of guilt by association.

01:10:37.300 It's the exact tactics that they, it is the wokeness that you're worried about.

01:10:42.060 You know, it's the exact same thing.

01:10:45.360 Uh, Han Pritch says, uh, we'll be performing an archangel summoning on the winter solstice

01:10:50.660 to crystallize Lindsay and the trigger bros.

01:10:52.940 Shh, don't, don't give away the plans guys.

01:10:55.060 Okay.

01:10:55.380 You can't just, it's not a very secret meeting.

01:10:57.300 If you tell everybody about it, see, again, look at this branded as orange angel association.

01:11:01.900 See, now, now we're only pushing the, the James Lindsay conspiracy theories.

01:11:07.480 We have to stop the James Lindsay information or disinformation.

01:11:11.080 Okay.

01:11:11.540 We can't allow the, uh, the disinformation of the, the conspiracy theories of the woke

01:11:16.660 centrists to, to take over.

01:11:18.840 Okay.

01:11:19.100 We can't, we can't allow them to prevail.

01:11:21.320 All right, guys.

01:11:22.240 Uh, it's been a fun one.

01:11:23.360 Thanks for sticking around with me on this.

01:11:25.120 Uh, you know, I prefer not to do drama episodes, that kind of stuff, but I felt this was worth

01:11:31.020 responding to, uh, because it was, it was just frankly filled with a lot of lies, falsehood,

01:11:36.540 misleading stuff.

01:11:37.580 Uh, and these guys have made it clear.

01:11:39.320 They're not going to talk to anybody else.

01:11:40.920 Uh, they've, uh, rejected, uh, anyone who might, uh, disagree with them, uh, and they're

01:11:46.080 going to sit in an echo chamber.

01:11:47.000 So the only way we can really critique critique and point out the problems is to do it, uh,

01:11:52.200 this way.

01:11:52.780 It's a shame that that's, that's the way that they've kind of created their environment.

01:11:56.540 But, uh, you know, when you don't have arguments, that's what you do, which they're very aware

01:12:00.040 of.

01:12:00.240 Cause that's the same reason they left the left.

01:12:02.860 Uh, now they're just doing the same thing because they're leftists.

01:12:06.480 All right.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - December 02, 2024

Responding to the 'Triggernometry' Bros ｜ 12⧸2⧸24

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