The Auron MacIntyre Show - Rise of the PayPal Mafia ｜ Guest： Kingpilled ｜ 3⧸13⧸2024

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:31.740 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.360 I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:37.560 So we are big believers in the idea of elite theory on this show.

00:00:42.080 We believe that ultimately it is elites that drive the majority of decisions

00:00:46.780 in any given civilization, including our own.

00:00:51.340 That popular sovereignty, unfortunately, is not really the case.

00:00:55.240 And that most people's opinions and tastes and decisions are shaped by elite.

00:00:59.640 And that means that the corruption of our elites is a huge problem.

00:01:04.100 And we want to talk about what could happen if we could replace those elites.

00:01:08.460 If there could be a new set of elites that came in, how would that change?

00:01:11.600 How would that go ahead and transform our society?

00:01:15.020 Could it be for the better?

00:01:16.640 We talk about that a lot, but sometimes it's hard to actually put that in the real world.

00:01:21.340 Make that concrete.

00:01:22.220 Well, my guest today, Matt from King Pilled, has a great idea.

00:01:26.460 He's been kicking around a way to really bring the idea of a circulation of elites into the real world.

00:01:32.440 He's talking about the PayPal mafia.

00:01:34.840 And so I wanted to bring him on today to explain that a little bit.

00:01:38.160 Matt, thanks for coming on.

00:01:39.960 Thanks, man.

00:01:40.280 It's good to be here.

00:01:41.500 Absolutely.

00:01:41.960 Before we dive in, can you explain a little bit about your podcast and what you do?

00:01:47.340 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:01:48.080 So my podcast is called King Pilled.

00:01:50.160 It's primarily a live stream show on YouTube, but we also upload to the audio podcasts.

00:01:55.560 And I'm basically a longtime listener, first time caller here to the Oren McIntyre show.

00:02:00.840 So your show and your guests and the stuff you've talked about has had a big influence on me and my own, I guess you'd say, ideological development, for lack of a better term.

00:02:09.300 Coming from essentially like a Hoppian ANCAP and then ran face first into the events of 2020, both the early part of 2020 and then the later part of 2020.

00:02:19.920 There's kind of two separate major events there that they really transformed the perspective for a lot of us.

00:02:26.420 There was a lot of us within the libertarian sphere who had to come face to face with the realities of real politic and the insufficiency of libertarianism as a political ideology.

00:02:39.960 So then there was a little, if we could exaggerate our influence a little bit here, there was a movement within the libertarian community.

00:02:50.420 And a group of us who came to be known as post-libertarians ventured away from libertarian dogma.

00:02:56.720 And for that, we were deemed heretics.

00:02:58.900 And there was a little kerfuffle there for a little while.

00:03:01.260 So Pete Quinonez was in the same circle, same time.

00:03:05.080 So he's also been a big influence on me.

00:03:06.900 So if you like Orange Show, if you like Pete Show, then you'll probably enjoy King Pilled as well.

00:03:10.780 Well, like I said, this idea is really important.

00:03:13.400 It was nice for you to go ahead and flesh out the idea of a counter-relief because we talk about it in the abstract so much.

00:03:19.920 But it's great to have it laid out in a way that people can connect it to real events and understand what that might look like.

00:03:25.920 So guys, we're going to dive into the PayPal Mafia.

00:03:28.420 Who are they?

00:03:29.680 What kind of influence do they have?

00:03:31.100 What kind of plans might they be making?

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00:04:47.880 All right, Matt, so the PayPal mafia, if you Google this, it comes up, and you're not the first one to use this coinage.

00:04:55.760 There have been New York Times articles and others where they go ahead and try to tie together all these kind of different Silicon Valley influencers, people who are big tech CEOs,

00:05:06.200 but they're often including very liberal people, radically left-wing people, very progressive, who are on board with the regime.

00:05:13.940 I think you're using the term in a very different way.

00:05:15.980 So first, can we lay out what you mean when you talk about the PayPal mafia?

00:05:20.380 Yeah, so this was actually something that was brought onto my radar by a good friend of mine, Jason, from the 2-Bit podcast.

00:05:26.960 He and I were kind of looking into Vivek Ramaswamy, and a friend of ours had recommended that we pay more attention to this guy,

00:05:32.780 and I kind of wrote him off as Republican Andrew Yang.

00:05:35.820 But I decided to start listening to some of his long-form stuff.

00:05:39.040 I thought, oh, this is interesting, a guy who's running for president, and he's going on all these really long-form podcasts.

00:05:43.120 That's not the typical thing you see a presidential candidate do, but you could expect that this sort of thing would start to happen eventually.

00:05:50.080 So I started listening to his long-form talks, and I realized very quickly, okay, this guy's not a vapid airhead like Andrew Yang.

00:05:59.040 This guy's not just someone who's put out here just to deliver a message, just kind of an empty vessel.

00:06:06.420 This guy's sharp, and he's the closest thing to a neoreactionary politician that I've ever heard in the rhetoric and stuff he's using.

00:06:12.740 He's talking about the managerial class, explicitly referencing James Burnham and talking about things like circulation of the elites.

00:06:20.140 If not directly, he very clearly has a deep understanding of them.

00:06:24.920 So right around that same time, Jason had said he has a segment he does regularly called Friend or Fed,

00:06:32.900 where you just pick someone, you use that person as a jumping-off point to discuss, is this person a friend or a Fed?

00:06:38.240 And he said, I want to do a PayPal mafia, Friend or Fed.

00:06:42.320 So there's this Wikipedia, go look at it.

00:06:44.380 So I was aware of Peter Thiel, I was aware of Elon Musk, obviously, and I was aware of the PayPal phenomenon.

00:06:50.240 I've kind of followed it for a while, and it's been there, something that's present in my mind.

00:06:54.980 But I didn't realize that PayPal mafia actually was such a thing that there's a whole Wikipedia page for it

00:07:00.540 that lists off every single person who was adjacent to or involved in the starting of PayPal.

00:07:07.260 And so I just started reading through these different people, reading their biographies,

00:07:11.300 looking at the companies that they've started, looking at the investment firms that they've worked with.

00:07:16.380 And I started seeing the same names over and over again, which you might expect if you're starting with a group of people

00:07:21.580 who are clustered around a specific organization, then it's not a surprise that they would continue to be cross-invested with one another.

00:07:28.340 But that also doesn't diminish the significance of it, I think.

00:07:31.860 Because this is now, you're starting to see a network of extremely wealthy people who are, you know, we live in a software world,

00:07:38.980 we live in a digital world, and that's their specialty.

00:07:41.660 They're the people who derive their wealth from the creation of and development and investment in the primary technologies that run our world today.

00:07:51.960 So I just started to look at them and see all their different connections and realized that I was playing not even like six degrees,

00:08:00.120 I was playing something like three degrees of Peter Thiel.

00:08:02.040 Even the further out I would get from the original PayPal Mafia person, I would eventually get kind of going down the rabbit hole

00:08:09.600 and I'd get connected to someone else that would circle back around to Peter Thiel again.

00:08:13.600 So I've been aware of Peter Thiel, and obviously he has, it's well known that he's had like libertarian inclinations.

00:08:19.700 What's most interesting to me about him is his understanding of Rene Girard.

00:08:23.700 He was a direct student of Rene Girard, whose primary contribution was this idea of memetic theory.

00:08:29.820 And essentially the way, just a quick and dirty with memetic theory is everybody, every one of us doesn't know what to desire.

00:08:38.320 We allow the desires of others to inform our desires, which eventually creates rivalrous relationships where you have multiple people who all want the same thing.

00:08:47.860 They all begin embodying the same thing, which is why conflict tends to arise among brothers versus like people who are completely distant from one another.

00:08:57.200 The closer we are to one another, the more in conflict we become.

00:09:01.360 And then there's this idea of modeling, where once you understand this nature of human beings, then you can provide models for them to inform their behavior.

00:09:10.780 This is what the influencer culture is rooted in.

00:09:14.600 So I had this understanding of Peter Thiel as a guy who is not just like some whatever, just whatever billionaire, if there could be such a thing.

00:09:21.820 This is actually a very deep philosophical thinker who has his fingers in a whole bunch of different significant things.

00:09:29.400 He's seen as he's referred to as the don of the PayPal mafia, but he also is within Silicon Valley, within the technocrat community.

00:09:37.500 He's seen as a as really a model for them.

00:09:41.100 So many of them model themselves after him.

00:09:43.220 So where he's going, they're likely to follow.

00:09:45.780 So I started going through just picking some of these significant guys and starting to read through their Twitter timeline, because most of them are on Twitter.

00:09:53.960 Most of most of them are are pretty active.

00:09:57.800 And I noticed there was a consistency in the things that they were talking about.

00:10:02.100 These are guys who are are ostensibly lifetime Democrats.

00:10:06.680 You know, they've gone to all the elite universities.

00:10:09.040 They're they're creatures of the regime, essentially, as what you would expect.

00:10:13.960 And but they're all very loudly countersignaling many of the key platform issues of the regime today.

00:10:21.540 It's pretty undeniable that all of them are going to vote for Trump.

00:10:25.280 And this didn't square for me.

00:10:26.960 I was I was trying to figure out.

00:10:28.180 So what's happening here?

00:10:29.300 Why?

00:10:30.020 How do you get all of these, you know, Stanford and Berkeley and like Ivy League school guys?

00:10:35.720 Who are loudly countersignaling DEI and ESG.

00:10:40.080 They're loudly countersignaling, you know, infinity immigrants coming across the southern border there. 1.00

00:10:45.980 Some of them are even countersignaling Ukraine and the Israel Gaza and the U.S.'s participation in that.

00:10:52.340 Others are not.

00:10:53.120 Others are actually vocally supportive of that.

00:10:55.560 So it's it should be clear that this PayPal mafia thing is not a coordinated dynamic that I'm watching.

00:11:01.720 I'm seeing emergent patterns of patterns of behavior that are that are sprouting up from within the regime coalition.

00:11:09.980 Because the regime is not a single monolithic entity.

00:11:12.760 The regime is a coalition of different of different bodies that have different incentives, but they align along particular incentives.

00:11:19.700 And the goal of the regime is to pursue its agenda while maintaining this coalition together.

00:11:27.220 And what I'm perceiving happening is that coalition is beginning to fracture.

00:11:31.120 So I want to look and see who are the most significant members of that coalition who are fracturing away and which direction are they fracturing toward?

00:11:40.540 Where are they going?

00:11:41.300 Because that's going to inform based on an understanding of elite theory.

00:11:44.200 That's probably going to inform how this regime collapse and reformation ends up panning out.

00:11:49.700 Yeah, I think a lot of times when people think of the circulation of elites from Pareto from elite theory, they think of an elite that is totally outside.

00:11:59.660 It's totally or maybe they just, I don't know, pop up out of the rocks or something like that.

00:12:04.000 That's that's where your elite, your counter late comes from.

00:12:07.320 But of course, that's not what Pareto says at all.

00:12:09.320 He specifically says that the circulation of elites is always going to leave a number of people who are part of the prior regime in charge.

00:12:20.440 That there's always a civilizational continuity that runs through those continued interlinked elites.

00:12:27.160 And so what you're seeing is usually not a complete displacement of the ruling class, but a significant, a more significant churn than you normally would.

00:12:37.720 And that's what actually brings a shift in ideology or direction.

00:12:41.480 The river will still stay in its bed to use Pareto's exact language.

00:12:45.540 But the but the course of it might have changed slightly.

00:12:48.600 The dynamics inside it have changed significantly.

00:12:51.420 And so we're going to still see people who were involved prior.

00:12:56.400 In the regime, but then with the new elites, but something important will have changed.

00:13:02.580 And I think a lot of people look at Musk and they look at the and they look at other people involved and they say, oh, well, these guys, you know, they're already central to the regime.

00:13:10.900 They already work with them. They're already plugged in. They're already creatures of the regime, as you say.

00:13:16.340 And so there's nothing significant here. There's no real change because, you know, Elon Musk, you know, he survives on government contracts and all these things.

00:13:23.840 But of course, this was true of Caesar, too, right?

00:13:27.000 Like the like the people who were involved in that particular shift in elites were all already elites.

00:13:35.000 They weren't just random guys off the street.

00:13:37.400 They were already plugged into the way that power worked.

00:13:39.780 They were simply denied access to many of the things that they wanted to do.

00:13:44.480 And so I think that when you look at Musk and you look at this possible changeover, people need to realize it's not going to be all just a lot of guys you've never heard of who have no connections to the prior ruling class.

00:13:56.140 But it's going to be guys inside the current ruling class who realize that it's sick, that it's dying, that there there's significant parts of what the regime believes in that are going to inhibit their ability to do what they want.

00:14:07.940 And this is going to force them to take actions, just like Caesar was forced to take actions that he probably otherwise would not have taken if he simply had access to power in the way that he had desired in the first place.

00:14:19.320 Right. Caesar wasn't an outsider until he was right.

00:14:23.220 And then he he became the most important outsider there.

00:14:27.340 But prior to that point, you might not have predicted that he was going to be an outsider.

00:14:31.860 He would have looked like a key regime creature.

00:14:34.000 This is something that I've thought for a while.

00:14:36.060 You know, when when the Ron DeSantis phenomenon first started happening, everybody was pointing to, you know, how his his handlers or his, you know, what what have you behind him.

00:14:45.980 I the people would say things like, well, he can't be same with Tucker Carlson.

00:14:51.160 They'll say, well, these guys can't be some sort of counterforce to the regime because look how deeply embedded their life has been within the regime.

00:14:57.960 And my counter to that has always been that's actually one of the strongest cases for them becoming that sort of figure.

00:15:04.940 Now, I would say DeSantis pretty clearly is not the figure that a lot of people wanted him to be.

00:15:10.260 He has his place.

00:15:11.080 And I think that that place is very valuable.

00:15:13.500 But simply being an embedded part of the regime is actually that that's not an argument against the idea of a regime of a future regime outsider that actually motivates this type of regime change.

00:15:25.940 It's actually one of the leading indicators of it.

00:15:30.500 So I started going into this trying to figure out, OK, what are these guys talking about?

00:15:36.520 What are they what are they what are they triangulating toward?

00:15:39.860 And I've been trying to pick out the threads that I'm hearing from them, that particularly the things that that indicate them as diverging away from the regime talking points.

00:15:49.280 I think we've kind of gotten a little numb to this with the way that I think there's been so much, quote unquote, waking up or noticing of these various apparatuses of the regime lately that especially those of our little circle of the Internet.

00:16:06.100 I think we've become a little numb to the significance of people noticing the mechanisms of the regime prior to a few years ago.

00:16:13.920 That wasn't even really a thing.

00:16:15.280 But now the idea of something like a deep state, the idea of compromised elections, potentially the idea of these sorts of things, people are beginning to talk about them and become concerned about them.

00:16:25.340 That's a problem for the regime.

00:16:27.240 It may be a problem that the regime can transmute into a new power grab, but I don't think that's that's clearly a settled issue.

00:16:35.020 So the things the key things that these people are, are what if I could distill it down to something that captures all of it, it's that they see the American identity as a good and noble and aspirational thing.

00:16:51.400 The there I think there's a lot of shallow sort of naive.

00:16:56.160 They're still liberals fundamentally, so they still have this kind of shallow, naive view of politics.

00:17:00.840 But they're beginning to move along this trajectory that a lot of us have taken that led us away from, you know, there's there's a good number of your audience.

00:17:09.980 I know like who are like me, who are once upon a time kind of some variant of BoomerCon, and they've gone down the journey that's led them to where they are today.

00:17:17.460 I'm seeing that same thing happening with guys who are billionaire tech founders and tech investors.

00:17:23.600 Some of the names, the significant names here that people might know would be David Sachs, for example, or Chamath Palpatia.

00:17:31.420 Elon Musk is a really obvious one.

00:17:35.280 Could you connect those guys to their to their respective like companies or things that they're so that people have an idea of what they're involved in?

00:17:42.600 Yeah. So David Sachs is one of the actual core members of the PayPal mafia.

00:17:48.560 He's one of the first names listed on the Wikipedia page.

00:17:51.940 He co-hosts a podcast called The All In Podcast, where Chamath Palpatia, who's a billionaire, like multi time investor.

00:17:58.900 I know. I think he owns the Clippers and has a bunch of other investments.

00:18:02.320 And then Jason Calacanis, and I can't remember who the fourth guy is, though that podcast there is like a it's like a Silicon Valley commentary podcast sort of.

00:18:14.420 But they've become more and more focused on current events.

00:18:17.100 And they're, for example, they're very big supporters of Vivek and the types of things he's talking about, the they're much more friendly toward MAGA.

00:18:26.620 They're loudly countersignaling Biden and the the entire idea of the administrative state, which led me into another line of thought here, which is if we have this understanding of the regime fundamentally being like this this managerial regime,

00:18:39.900 as Burnham described, that the functions of managerialism within the regime that populate this administrative state that facilitates all of the graft and all the corruption and essentially functions as a shadow government,

00:18:50.720 while the rest of the main branches of government are just ceremonial.

00:18:55.340 Who understands the deleterious effects of managerial bureaucracy better than the guys who've spent their entire careers building and growing and investing in tech companies?

00:19:07.340 They have to deal with government regulators.

00:19:09.700 They have to deal with HR departments.

00:19:11.760 They have to deal with, you know, like labor laws and all these other sorts of bureaucratic interferences into their business.

00:19:20.860 And after several after decades of this, a lot of them, I think, are just getting tired of it.

00:19:25.980 And the DEI ESG thing was something that really was was was a was a bridge too far.

00:19:31.760 They're like, no, like, like, honestly, we just want to build.

00:19:35.380 We have all this this tech and stuff that we want to build and develop, and we want to be free to do that.

00:19:40.280 So the whole kind of traditional American conservative message of of of freedom and the right of each individual to for self-determination.

00:19:49.880 And we're all created equal and we don't need to we don't need to have there's there's counter signaling of the Civil Rights Act on all these sorts of things.

00:19:58.100 This is this is the rumbling within the within a major segment of the elite class that I think was happening within our little corners of the Internet over the last five to 10 years.

00:20:09.260 It's now reached up to that level and they're beginning to think and move in the same directions.

00:20:13.780 Yeah, I think it's really important for people to understand the speed at which this is being adopted.

00:20:17.940 And like you said, many people have marinated in this for so long that they don't take a big notice of the changes that are happening, but they are very significant.

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00:21:57.420 So like you were saying, Matt, I think a lot of people take the developments that we're seeing for granted.

00:22:06.180 I know I started really reading Moldbug, honestly, 2019 about.

00:22:12.600 And I know some people have been reading them since like 2008.

00:22:15.900 So they've been plugged into these criticisms for a long time.

00:22:19.800 They're very aware of what's going on.

00:22:22.020 And so watching these revelations kind of start working their way into the discourse of mainstream people, they just treat this as like, oh, yeah, finally glad you kind of came along and started figuring some of this out.

00:22:36.560 And it's like, yeah, I understand why this is obvious to you in some ways.

00:22:40.460 But I understand this is a revolution to a lot of people.

00:22:44.180 You know, with the fact that kind of your average person has been exposed to terms like the managerial elite and the cathedral and things like this, that's actually a massive thing.

00:22:55.340 And, yeah, not all of it translates one to one.

00:22:57.860 But the fact that your grandpa might have seen Curtis Yarvin on Tucker Carlson is insane.

00:23:04.140 Like that's try to explain that to anyone in 2010.

00:23:07.940 It's just not an option.

00:23:09.840 And so this thing has been moving at lightning speed.

00:23:12.240 Now, we know that Peter Thiel and Yarvin have direct connections.

00:23:15.940 Many, many liberal publications have explained to him as the court philosopher of Peter Thiel in a very terrified manner.

00:23:25.680 But the fact that he is making these rounds in much wider circles, much more important circles, is really important.

00:23:34.460 And that influence can't be understated when we're looking at the possible transition that could be coming.

00:23:41.100 Because I think you're right, and Moldbug in many ways did predict this with kind of the CEO king, that these would be the people that would have the most friction with the regime.

00:23:52.560 Especially because they ran into, as you say, that DEI block, right?

00:23:57.460 There's a lot of things that the government has required of these companies that is deleterious, that slows them down, creates a lot of friction, makes them inefficient.

00:24:07.800 And that's frustrating for them in many ways.

00:24:10.660 But this last one was like, no, you have to make the people in your business incompetent.

00:24:16.460 You are trying to do highly specialized things that require a high degree of coordination.

00:24:23.540 You need excellence.

00:24:24.680 You need the best of the best.

00:24:26.500 And we are going to directly make it illegal for you to function at that level.

00:24:31.000 That's something that someone like Elon Musk, who's trying to land people on Mars, simply cannot abide by.

00:24:37.180 And so they start running into, okay, even if we might not agree with the social conservatism of the average Trump voter or something like that, we recognize that what the left is doing is absolutely antithetical to us achieving our goals.

00:24:53.320 So you talked about some of the people here, but what is it specifically you think about them that kind of brings them into conflict with the regime?

00:25:03.880 And how do you think that'll cause a break?

00:25:05.680 We know they're talking about these ideas now, but what could that do?

00:25:10.460 Vivek, these others who are now seem connected, how could they start taking a more active role in the political landscape to change things?

00:25:21.420 That's a good question.

00:25:22.420 That's one of the best questions I've been asked.

00:25:24.880 So I think where this starts really getting interesting is the overlap.

00:25:32.300 I'm going to say some stuff that some of your audience is going to have a hard time believing and taking in, like over the cynicism.

00:25:39.160 And I know this because I've been going through this process myself, but I just can't get around this.

00:25:44.140 There's this thing called Project 2025, which is an initiative led by the Heritage Foundation and a whole bunch of other GOP NGOs and think tanks, et cetera, et cetera.

00:25:57.940 I've been conditioned for a long time to be extremely skeptical and cynical of them.

00:26:03.440 So I'm not even expecting there to be a lot out of this.

00:26:07.840 But what I'm seeing is in the rhetoric that this Project 2025 organization is using, paired with their platform is almost identical with a lot of the stuff that Vivek is talking about, particularly with the focus on gutting the administrative state.

00:26:22.040 And they're building a presidential administration academy where you have to go through.

00:26:27.420 I have friends who are going through this right now where it's essentially like a almost like college level training on how to function on Capitol Hill, how to how to get bills passed, how to what agenda to pursue, how to manage the media.

00:26:39.720 They're actually teaching future Republican politicians, ostensibly, how to deal with politics as it is and not how it should be.

00:26:48.860 This isn't some, you know, kind of vapid, idealistic ramblings about the Constitution.

00:26:54.320 This is this is real politic sort of stuff.

00:26:58.480 So even if you discount from you apply the standard GOP discount and effectiveness to it, it's still a move in that direction.

00:27:05.700 And I believe what's happening is that they're finding common cause with this this rising tech elite who are being emboldened now after spending years being really frustrated with being leveraged by the SEC and the FTC and and all these different three letter organizations after being leveraged into doing stuff they didn't want to do or they didn't really believe in.

00:27:29.840 Now, as you say, this D.E.I.E.S.G. thing coming along is just a bridge too far and they're recognizing now that the two parties are not the same.

00:27:39.140 They're they're recognizing the inner party, outer party dynamic here.

00:27:42.080 And they what I what I could foresee happening is them essentially going into coming into common cause with Project 2025, which is allying themselves with Trump and saying we're going to put Trump in office with the mandate that he decimate the administrative state, get them out of our way and allow us to get back to work.

00:28:04.820 I think this is the upshot as to how how effective it will be, how far they'll make it along that trajectory.

00:28:11.200 There's a lot of different variables going on here.

00:28:13.740 But these these are the ingredients of what I think a regime change operation would look like, where you have a core member of the regime coalition defect and align with their enemies sufficient that it can sway the balance of power, which puts the regime in a bind.

00:28:31.100 Because, as you said, the thing that they are grinding against the most is the intentionally cultivated competency crisis.

00:28:41.660 It's very hard to be a successful tech startup and to develop super sophisticated, complex systems when you're when you're being dragged down at the same time, when you're having to operate in really inefficient ways for completely arbitrary political reasons.

00:28:55.860 So the regime has essentially been seeding this competency crisis as a way of expanding their power.

00:29:04.260 But paradoxically, they're undermining the ability to maintain their own coalition and doing that because you've got people now who they want to see an adult in charge.

00:29:12.540 They're tired of of this this this facade.

00:29:16.240 They see it very clearly as a facade.

00:29:17.860 So if that means we we need to throw our lot in with Trump and this mobilizing sort of new right coalition, then maybe that's what we need to do, because ultimately, I think these people don't want to govern.

00:29:29.600 They're very libertarian.

00:29:30.900 They're like, I want the government to do its job in its domain, and I want to be free to do what I want.

00:29:36.240 So they got that all kind of Californian libertarian sentiment.

00:29:39.340 So what they want is, is someone come to them and make them a good offer, say, hey, we're going to actually run this company, this country competently.

00:29:46.840 We're going to run this country like a company.

00:29:49.400 You know how companies are supposed to be run.

00:29:52.500 You know what makes an efficient, effective startup.

00:29:55.820 Let's run the government like that.

00:29:57.500 And in developing this coalition, I think that it puts the regime in a bind now, because I did a tweet thread the other day talking about how if you're if you're in the business of manufacturing black swan events to shake up the chessboard and scoop up more power, the more you employ that tool, the less effective it becomes.

00:30:22.180 Now everybody is on black swan event alert.

00:30:24.840 And for the people who are, oh, there's going to be a false flag.

00:30:28.980 There's going to be some of these sorts of things.

00:30:31.340 Having a false flag of some type or having some type of a black swan event that shows up like it like happened in 2020.

00:30:38.940 That would be very convenient for the regime.

00:30:42.180 And there's a lot of people who would be able to put that together very well.

00:30:45.000 So there's a good chance that if you try to shake up the chessboard to scoop up more territory, you actually create an opportunity for your enemy from the regime perspective to scoop up more territory themselves by running and messaging on a platform of competence, of competent, stable leadership.

00:31:04.640 Yeah, I think it's really important.

00:31:08.060 One of the main disagreements I have with academic agent is I don't think these people are competent and he does.

00:31:13.940 And so, you know, when you get into a lot of these rooms and I totally understand, I thought the same thing when I was looking at some of this from the outside.

00:31:25.040 Everyone here has got to be in on it, right?

00:31:27.100 Like everyone's got to understand the game, the mana party.

00:31:30.500 You know, we all know where our bennies are coming from and everybody's kind of on board with this.

00:31:35.420 And that is just not the case.

00:31:37.560 Like a lot of people truly don't know.

00:31:39.920 They just didn't understand the incentive structure.

00:31:42.340 And that doesn't excuse them.

00:31:44.060 These people are professionals.

00:31:45.120 They should know what they're doing.

00:31:46.900 They shouldn't be in this position.

00:31:48.900 But there are a lot of people who just genuinely did not understand how the game was really played, how power really worked.

00:31:56.400 And we, you know, a lot of us, I'm with you.

00:31:59.180 I'm one of those people who 2020 completely threw me out of my, you know, my kind of slumber and out of the matrix and red pilled me and woke me up and put me in an entirely different position.

00:32:11.120 But we just kind of assume that happened to us and that that didn't happen to other people.

00:32:15.720 Right.

00:32:16.560 And so we think that all these guys who are sitting in the GOP and just assumed that that was how power worked because they also went to civics class and they also got the same lecture about the Constitution.

00:32:27.740 Didn't feel the same thing from the inside.

00:32:31.600 And so, you know, when you talk to these guys, they know like something's up.

00:32:37.600 Maybe they don't know exactly what it is.

00:32:39.020 Maybe they're not.

00:32:39.580 They haven't had enough contact with a theory to like grasp some of the things that are happening.

00:32:44.840 But they understood that the, you know, the Trump movement got into power and they pulled the levers and nothing happened.

00:32:53.100 They sat at the machine.

00:32:54.840 They pulled the levers of power and nothing moved.

00:32:57.740 And maybe they were confused at first, but at some point, you know, they're bright enough to understand there should have been a linkage there and there isn't.

00:33:05.780 And so that means something is desperately wrong.

00:33:08.660 And so, you know, the Project 2025 is that attempt to say, OK, how does power really work?

00:33:15.400 What do we really?

00:33:16.240 OK, it's not just enough to get voted into office.

00:33:18.920 What does really taking power of this machine look like?

00:33:22.300 What are the real structures that operate inside the United States and how do we get to those real levers of power, not just sit at the, you know, the desk of the presidential desk and article two and say, OK, I hit the button on the Constitution.

00:33:36.440 Now everybody follows me like how does this really work?

00:33:39.760 And you see this.

00:33:40.980 The left runs these stories about the dangerous plan that Donald Trump has to, like, actually be president this time around if he if he runs.

00:33:49.860 And so there is a real concern that a effective plan could be put into place.

00:33:56.540 And part of that would be a deployment of these different corporations, the different heads who really do want the the United States to run as a real country.

00:34:08.080 They really want it to operate because one of the things that I hope a lot of people in the GOP learned and, you know, we will probably have to continue to explain to them.

00:34:17.460 But but but but hopefully there's there are picking up and understanding that is that simply owning the government is not enough.

00:34:24.820 You need to own part of the corporate apparatus.

00:34:27.380 You need to own part of the media, the narrative structure.

00:34:30.020 You need to be able to the banking, all of these things all have to move in your direction simultaneously.

00:34:35.620 It's not enough to just go ahead and sit down at the desk.

00:34:39.360 You need to have all of these things.

00:34:40.860 And the people who are looking at their corporations and saying, I can't run an effective corporation anymore.

00:34:47.240 I can't. It's not just about making the money.

00:34:49.160 I can't achieve the things that I want to achieve as a great man because I'm being held back by this, you know, this hairs of Bergeron system of tying weights to my ankles before I can even go ahead and get started on my project.

00:35:05.080 They say, OK, I need to change things.

00:35:07.320 Something has to move here.

00:35:08.720 And so, again, like you said, most of these guys are libertarian.

00:35:11.600 They're liberals that these aren't arch reactionaries.

00:35:14.000 They're they're not on board with whatever esoteric, you know, Carlisle and, you know, restoration you're attempting to put in here.

00:35:24.320 But if they want a more competent government, they're going to have to invest in a system that looks very different from the one they have now.

00:35:31.240 And that means that they are open to ways of thinking that may not even jive with some of their libertarian priors.

00:35:39.000 But if it creates competence, they recognize at the end of the day, that's what really matters.

00:35:44.800 Yes. Yeah.

00:35:45.900 I don't at the end of the day, I don't really care what's going on in someone's head.

00:35:49.580 I care about what their incentives are and if their if their incentives align with me when I'm when I'm thinking in my power political terms like this.

00:35:56.680 I don't need them to be my best friend.

00:35:59.320 I just need them to be the enemy of my enemy.

00:36:01.700 And they're vastly more powerful than I am or I ever will be.

00:36:05.560 They have the capacity to project power if they choose to.

00:36:08.960 And so I want to see which direction they're going to project power.

00:36:12.900 And if they're going to project power in a way that beats back my enemies, that's going to open up doors for me to, you know, as you're developing this sort of cultural uprising phenomenon, you want to see opportunities where whether it's economically or politically or socially.

00:36:28.860 If you if you if you can increase your own social mobility, build your own network, start developing new innovative strategies of existing in the blind spots of the regime, all these sorts of things.

00:36:40.460 Having the the the the the ground in front of us cleared away, even if it's just picking up a couple of sticks.

00:36:46.860 Well, that's better than it was before.

00:36:48.820 This is and I think that there's the potential for significantly more than that.

00:36:52.440 When you look at the the if you think of these guys as as being people who are experienced in relating to corporations and now beginning more and more to see the government like a corporation that's that's in dire straits.

00:37:08.000 That's been taken over by hostile actors and weaponized against the rest of the people that it's supposed to serve.

00:37:14.640 We're starting to see a model for exactly the sort of thing the Project 2025 people are talking about.

00:37:20.400 Elon's takeover of Twitter is exactly this.

00:37:23.900 He took it over and he slashed, what, 70 or 80 percent of the personnel, stripped it way down and got it running again properly.

00:37:32.500 If you have if you have Elon backing Trump to be elected against these other people, then you're looking at four years where now Twitter is governed by sympathetic interests to the presidency.

00:37:44.300 But the shoe is now on the other foot.

00:37:46.200 So then another example of this is what has happened in Argentina with Malay and in even more so in El Salvador with Bukele and Bukele obviously has a lot of a lot of networks within the whole Bitcoin community, which overlaps directly with a lot of the VC extension from Peter Thiel community.

00:38:06.920 Those connections are very tight and obviously whoever's backing Bukele is very powerful because they're able to allow him to do what he's able to do.

00:38:14.520 He clearly has powerful friends and he came into office with a well with a detailed step by step plan of exactly how we're going to go about doing this.

00:38:23.660 This wasn't flying by the seat of his pants.

00:38:25.820 So it's pretty obvious to me that Bukele was picked by a group by a group of people and put in place to accomplish something there.

00:38:34.420 And perhaps that something is create a Silicon Valley outside the borders of the United States where capital can flee to if the United States gets gets too far, too far gone.

00:38:45.200 Maybe that's what the angle is.

00:38:46.800 I don't know.

00:38:47.740 But I know that there's a there's the Charter Cities Institute, the Free Private Cities Foundation.

00:38:52.260 These are extensions out of the old seasteading communities.

00:38:57.100 Joe Lonsdale, who's one of the co-founders of Palantir and is the head of 8VC and is involved with Founders Fund as well.

00:39:05.500 These are all like names like just write these names down and go read up on them.

00:39:08.560 And Joe Lonsdale is the one who introduced Peter Thiel to Patrick Friedman, who was the and Joe Lonsdale was the chair of of the Seasteading Institute.

00:39:20.000 And he now is he has a YouTube channel called American Optimist, where he interviews a lot of these different tech CEOs.

00:39:26.620 Just go listen to them.

00:39:27.760 Just sit there and listen to the world that they're describing and what they see as as wrong.

00:39:33.520 You're going to have to put your you know, like these are liberals.

00:39:36.420 So you're going to have to put your liberal lenses on and be able to kind of read, read between the lines of what they're actually saying.

00:39:42.680 But they're grappling with the reality of America ceasing to exist as a sovereign entity.

00:39:48.440 And they don't want that.

00:39:49.820 It's something that they very much don't want.

00:39:52.060 They want Americans to be free and prosperous.

00:39:55.980 And obviously, this is all framed in liberal terms.

00:39:59.300 But this is old school liberal terms.

00:40:01.300 This is the sort of return of that naive vision.

00:40:05.640 But that's a naive vision that's being expressed by very wealthy, powerful, influential people.

00:40:10.220 So I think that they're going to be able to make significant headway in that direction.

00:40:13.900 And one other connection here as well.

00:40:17.260 Curtis Yarvin went on Charlie Kirk's podcast in January.

00:40:22.180 And they talked about precisely this phenomenon, that the way Yarvin made the case probably as best as he ever has, that to a boomer audience, that the path forward is installing a king, essentially.

00:40:39.600 And I've never been a big Charlie Kirk fan.

00:40:43.020 I've kind of seen him as sort of a meme.

00:40:46.360 But I developed a whole new respect for him in that conversation.

00:40:50.300 TPUSA is one of the major sponsors of Project 2025.

00:40:54.460 And Charlie Kirk mentioned in that interview that he's been studying Machiavelli with Michael Anton.

00:41:01.000 So this is not a sentence I expected to say even two years ago.

00:41:08.220 And it just indicates to me that there's a lot of things developing in the background that are moving in a particular direction.

00:41:14.920 I don't know how far they're going to make it that way, but they're definitely trending that way.

00:41:19.060 Yeah, if you look at the kind of the speed run that some of the conservative political commentary it has had on many of these issues, and you're completely blackpilled, I don't know what to tell you guys.

00:41:32.080 Like, a lot of people accuse me of being blackpilled, but I don't understand how you can look at the kind of connections people are making, the kind of things they're discussing,

00:41:41.460 the things that are well inside parts of the conservative Overton window that would have just been insanely radical and gotten you fired a couple years ago for discussing.

00:41:51.460 If you're looking at that stuff and you're seeing, you know, billionaires with massive power who are planning the next Trump administration who are going through all this and you're down in the dumps, I really don't know what to tell you.

00:42:04.980 I want to get a little more into this specific Trump connection, what that might look like, and what kind of problems we might see also from the PayPal mafia.

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00:43:20.460 All right, so we've kind of talked about this, where this is going to make contact with Trump, understanding that Trump is the blunt instrument against the regime, even if they don't agree with a lot of what he might want.

00:43:34.160 He's kind of the delivery vehicle for a lot of their policies that would allow them to fight against DEI and these other things that are inhibiting their ability to be efficient, to be excellent, to be productive and creative and achieve these goals.

00:43:49.880 We know about the project 2025, you mentioned that several times, but recently Elon Musk had a direct meeting with Donald Trump, like we were talking about before we got on live.

00:44:03.220 This was in person, which is significant.

00:44:05.380 This isn't just a phone call.

00:44:06.720 This is something he needed to sit down.

00:44:08.220 They were planning out.

00:44:09.440 There's something more going on here.

00:44:10.980 Now, obviously, Trump is in a Caesar-esque moment, right?

00:44:15.080 He's facing a lot of prison time.

00:44:18.220 He's facing a lot of monetary charges.

00:44:21.580 He's really in a win or go to jail for the rest of your life scenario.

00:44:26.840 It's the back against your wall, which is one of those things that often forges a Caesar. 0.92

00:44:32.400 So he's motivated to win here, I think, probably in a way that he wasn't even in 2016.

00:44:38.600 When you look at the interaction that he's having with the PayPal mafia, do you think that Trump would be in charge of this next regime?

00:44:47.540 Do you think that he would simply be a puppet of these people?

00:44:51.080 What are the forces that would inform a Trump-Paypal mafia alliance once he's in office?

00:44:59.960 My expectation of it would be that he would essentially be a puppet,

00:45:03.020 that it would be a repetition of his previous time in office with different handlers.

00:45:09.760 Because that seems how—I mean, that's how I would do it if I was in that situation.

00:45:14.400 And that seems to be kind of his big weakness is how easily he can be handled.

00:45:20.960 And then just the sheer fact that if I was going to be making this kind of move,

00:45:25.780 I would want insurance on my move, and him, as you say, him being at one of these kind of Rubicon moments

00:45:33.400 where he has a very strong incentive to keep the pedal pressed to the floor,

00:45:39.420 that puts him in a make-a-deal kind of a posture.

00:45:42.480 He's going to want to make a deal with someone.

00:45:44.380 And then that someone, by dint of not being the president,

00:45:48.220 is going to have much less riding on that deal than Trump does.

00:45:51.320 Because you need your political allies.

00:45:54.020 You need as many political allies as you can get in order to push forward an initiative like this.

00:46:01.320 And Washington politics being as cutthroat as it is,

00:46:06.620 if I was going to make a move like this,

00:46:08.460 then I would want to do it with a bunch of very competent people who know what they're doing.

00:46:13.320 And very competent people who know what they're doing

00:46:16.120 are naturally going to tend toward being the ones who are controlling the institution.

00:46:22.140 So I don't know that this is objectively a good thing.

00:46:25.140 I'm saying this is a different thing.

00:46:27.160 This is the prospect of a Republican presidency

00:46:31.820 where the major power apparatuses within that presidency

00:46:37.700 are coordinated and mobilized toward direct conflict with the regime itself.

00:46:44.020 And they're prepared for it.

00:46:45.000 They're specifically talking about how it's functioning

00:46:48.180 and what we have to do when we get in there and begin making these kinds of moves.

00:46:52.180 You can't just kind of pussyfoot around it.

00:46:54.260 You can't do little tweaks around the edges.

00:46:56.060 You need to go in with a chainsaw.

00:46:57.700 Which is, again, speaking of mimetic modeling,

00:47:01.340 that's what Millay has demonstrated.

00:47:03.400 Jason from the 2-Bit podcast,

00:47:04.800 he has this idea that he talks about called build a Caesar.

00:47:08.480 Where if your goal is to try to manufacture a Caesar,

00:47:11.720 you don't necessarily have to do that all in one place.

00:47:14.040 Just have a guy start up here and be a Caesar in one domain. 0.99

00:47:19.940 And then another guy over here be a Caesar in another domain.

00:47:23.040 And then you can begin,

00:47:24.720 each of these becomes a mimetic model that's reflected back.

00:47:27.540 And this doesn't even have to be something that's undertaken intentionally.

00:47:30.560 This can be an emergent process that's happening,

00:47:33.140 but it begins, it gets that snowball rolling.

00:47:35.660 But as you get more Caesars, you get more Caesars.

00:47:40.180 Yeah, you have the, hey, there's Millay,

00:47:42.740 and he's solving the bureaucracy problem.

00:47:45.080 Hey, there's Bukele. 0.70

00:47:46.260 He's solving the crime problem.

00:47:48.980 And I can look and people see that and they say, oh, I want that.

00:47:52.660 If it works there, I want that in my country.

00:47:55.320 And I don't particularly care how we get there.

00:47:57.220 I just want that because I see it happening.

00:47:59.200 I see it's good.

00:48:00.540 I want it to work here.

00:48:02.220 And so that, like you said, the success, it builds upon itself.

00:48:06.180 It iterates.

00:48:06.820 It builds that repetition that people want to see

00:48:08.880 when they then have someone new take power.

00:48:12.520 And so there's that justification

00:48:14.020 because there's a proof out there somewhere

00:48:16.100 that this can be done in a smaller scale.

00:48:17.760 So why can't we bring it in to my country and make it work here? 0.99

00:48:22.040 And so if they're trying to turn Trump into this,

00:48:25.960 if the PayPal mafia and the people that they would use

00:48:29.760 to influence Trump and run Trump's administration

00:48:32.040 can look at those different,

00:48:34.820 and Trump is really just this blank canvas,

00:48:37.600 which I think he is.

00:48:38.260 He's very non-ideological.

00:48:40.120 He would be more than happy to simply be that figurehead

00:48:45.060 that shakes the hands and kisses the babies

00:48:47.300 and goes to the dinners and waves at people

00:48:49.860 and then let someone else handle it.

00:48:52.320 Obviously, we could get someone besides Jared Kushner

00:48:55.060 running a White House, which would be great.

00:48:58.200 And so that gives you a lot of opportunities.

00:49:00.760 Now, I think that many of the PayPal mafia,

00:49:03.960 as we've discussed, are non-ideological.

00:49:06.040 I don't think that someone like Elon Musk is.

00:49:09.340 Peter Thiel's a little different.

00:49:10.680 This is a guy who delivers speeches

00:49:13.000 about the Straussian moment.

00:49:14.780 This is obviously a guy who is very aware,

00:49:17.960 as you said, about Rene Girard

00:49:19.460 and these other deep thinkers

00:49:22.280 that are going to impact the way

00:49:23.840 that he wants to influence someone like Donald Trump.

00:49:27.560 But I want to talk a little bit,

00:49:29.640 like you said, that this isn't necessarily

00:49:31.340 a great thing in some ways,

00:49:34.080 or it might not be.

00:49:35.120 We're just saying it's a different thing.

00:49:36.960 And so what could be some of the downsides?

00:49:39.840 Because one thing that I see

00:49:41.440 is that a lot of these guys, like you said,

00:49:43.480 are just trying to maybe go back to the 90s, right?

00:49:46.560 They're just trying to, they're saying,

00:49:47.640 okay, we have to just rip away,

00:49:50.580 we have to rip the controls out

00:49:52.320 from the vanguard left

00:49:53.660 because they are just,

00:49:55.860 it's the Flight 93 election,

00:49:57.820 they're just plowing us right into that building

00:50:00.360 and we have to pull the yoke

00:50:03.180 out of their hands at any cost.

00:50:05.320 But the only thing we really know how to do

00:50:07.620 is go back to the America of the 1990s

00:50:11.360 where it was, things are going to be great,

00:50:13.820 we're all going to work together,

00:50:14.960 freedom and liberty for everybody,

00:50:18.880 no significant shifts in the way things happen.

00:50:21.780 And so I can imagine a world

00:50:23.120 where we simply return to a more competent version

00:50:26.840 of managerialism.

00:50:28.760 Because as you mentioned,

00:50:30.420 many of these guys might be familiar

00:50:31.720 with James Burnham,

00:50:33.180 but James Burnham's ultimate kind of,

00:50:36.940 his ultimate thesis was that managerialism

00:50:39.300 was actually the correct way to go.

00:50:42.380 It was the future.

00:50:43.440 Everybody had a version of managerial revolution

00:50:47.280 because it was the only way

00:50:49.160 to organize society at scale.

00:50:52.300 And so all they're really looking to do

00:50:53.780 is return us to a more competent version of that,

00:50:56.340 not demolish it.

00:50:57.980 So when someone like Vivek Ramaswamy

00:51:01.060 talks about getting rid of the managerial elites,

00:51:04.480 I don't think he really means that.

00:51:06.080 I think what he means is replacing

00:51:07.420 the incompetent managerial elites

00:51:09.320 with more competent managerial elites.

00:51:11.460 And this is the same kind of criticism

00:51:14.100 I have of Moldbug,

00:51:15.360 is the CEO king is only there to stabilize

00:51:17.800 a fundamentally doomed structure.

00:51:21.340 So I don't know, I guess, yeah,

00:51:23.420 I've kind of answered half of that question myself.

00:51:25.600 But what do you think about that?

00:51:27.740 Well, hopefully the answer that you gave

00:51:29.540 was exactly what I was going to start saying.

00:51:31.460 That my, what led me down this line of inquiry

00:51:36.980 was, well, as I began down this line of inquiry,

00:51:40.480 actually, the angle that I was pursuing initially

00:51:44.280 was that this is, we're being set up

00:51:48.800 for a second Joe Biden term.

00:51:51.800 And the reasoning behind that would essentially be

00:51:54.620 that the political will doesn't exist yet

00:51:56.780 to actually affect the sort of wholesale changes

00:51:59.780 that some of these figures might want.

00:52:03.060 That we, we, essentially things need to get worse.

00:52:06.600 And I'm sympathetic to that idea

00:52:08.100 because I think as,

00:52:09.900 I think Moldbug might've used this analogy

00:52:12.220 and somewhere or it just has come to mind

00:52:14.160 as I've read his, his writing.

00:52:16.360 At a certain point,

00:52:17.480 you just have to cut the cancer out.

00:52:19.620 And if you're just treating the cancer

00:52:21.180 instead of cutting it out,

00:52:22.220 you're prolonging the misery.

00:52:23.280 You're actually setting up

00:52:24.660 for a worse outcome down the line.

00:52:27.780 So I guess to me,

00:52:29.320 you could choose to take this

00:52:31.420 as a positive or a negative.

00:52:33.760 I think that the outright collapse

00:52:35.820 is probably going to be forestalled.

00:52:38.000 I think this is,

00:52:39.460 instead of, you know,

00:52:42.040 the Mad Max future that people imagine

00:52:44.280 being a next decade sort of a thing,

00:52:48.540 I think we're looking at a sort of a stabilization

00:52:51.260 before the final complete crash.

00:52:55.140 Now, even a complete crash is not,

00:52:57.740 like if you look back on the,

00:53:00.080 from the future into the past,

00:53:02.300 there's been lots of people

00:53:03.180 who thought they went through the complete crash

00:53:04.920 or they thought they saw the complete crash coming.

00:53:07.240 Every generation thinks they live

00:53:08.480 in the end of the world.

00:53:09.300 They all think it's end times.

00:53:11.040 Right.

00:53:11.160 And in a sense, it is the end times.

00:53:13.900 It is the end of the existing order

00:53:17.020 and the beginning of another order.

00:53:18.540 And that different order is going to be different

00:53:21.580 than the prior one.

00:53:23.560 So the way I see this happening,

00:53:25.660 if I was to be,

00:53:26.560 if I was to place a wager on this,

00:53:28.120 which I wouldn't wager very much,

00:53:30.220 I see this being a stabilization process

00:53:34.860 that actually allows the rot underneath

00:53:38.080 to fester and get much, much worse.

00:53:40.800 However, there's going to be a countervailing force

00:53:43.340 because of that stabilization process.

00:53:45.420 The bare act of putting people

00:53:48.160 into positions of power who are competent,

00:53:51.340 competency lends itself toward truth

00:53:53.320 just naturally on a social scale.

00:53:56.480 So if you have people in there

00:53:58.440 who are prioritized as competent people,

00:54:00.640 I think the negative vision is,

00:54:02.480 oh, they're just going to do

00:54:03.080 all the evil things more competently.

00:54:05.060 And I don't really think that's the case

00:54:06.840 because I think by dint of doing things competently,

00:54:10.340 you're naturally moving toward truth

00:54:12.280 and away from falsehood.

00:54:15.420 So we're going to get a more masculine regime. 0.84

00:54:19.860 You're going to have this idea of automation

00:54:21.920 and increased competence.

00:54:24.320 All of these things are all masculine features.

00:54:27.440 The feminine feature lives in the nuance 0.86

00:54:29.400 in the gray area.

00:54:30.220 The masculine feature draws the line in the sand. 0.86

00:54:33.780 So automating processes

00:54:34.980 is going to make things more masculine.

00:54:37.260 So I think we're beginning the process

00:54:38.820 of the bottom out.

00:54:39.640 But I think this bottoming out

00:54:41.420 is going to take 20 to 50 years,

00:54:44.460 somewhere in that range.

00:54:45.900 We're going to get some kind of a revival

00:54:47.780 that leads to actual like the worst conflict

00:54:50.520 that's going to happen within the crisis.

00:54:52.480 And then it'll be like our children

00:54:53.960 or grandchildren who begin pulling up out of that.

00:54:56.580 So I don't know if you take that

00:54:57.980 as a negative vision of the future

00:54:59.780 or a positive vision of the future.

00:55:01.420 Personally, I think you can take it either way.

00:55:03.080 Yeah, I think that this is a very interesting thesis.

00:55:07.780 There's obviously, we're doing a lot of projecting.

00:55:11.200 We're doing a lot of predicting,

00:55:13.740 trying to read the tea leaves here.

00:55:15.560 But I do think it's useful to go ahead

00:55:17.580 and map out how these things could play out

00:55:20.660 in real life, make those connections,

00:55:23.120 understand the ways that power are moving.

00:55:25.520 I think that there is a lot of meat here.

00:55:28.160 And so I think people will find this interesting,

00:55:30.940 even if every aspect of this might not play out

00:55:33.360 the way that we expect.

00:55:35.540 I think that the rise of kind of this counter-elite

00:55:39.240 that is interested in competence,

00:55:40.480 that does want to see a pushback against the regime,

00:55:44.760 that is trying to install a set of people

00:55:48.440 that can strip away much of this

00:55:50.580 and allow them to kind of return to a place

00:55:53.140 where they can grow and create the kind of America 0.54

00:55:55.300 that they believed that they lived in at one point,

00:55:58.880 that is real.

00:55:59.780 And whether they can do that or not,

00:56:01.300 whether that works out or not,

00:56:02.740 I think understanding the motivations

00:56:04.320 and the connections behind it are really valuable.

00:56:07.260 So we're going to go ahead and transition over

00:56:08.820 to the questions of the people.

00:56:10.380 Before we do, can you let people know

00:56:12.400 where to find your work?

00:56:14.600 Yeah, on YouTube at Kingpilled,

00:56:16.240 all one word, K-I-N-G-P-I-L-L-E-D. 0.98

00:56:19.220 We're on all the podcatchers.

00:56:20.940 I can't get our logo to update properly on Apple Podcasts.

00:56:24.020 So if you look for it there,

00:56:25.320 it's not going to have the same branding as everything else,

00:56:26.960 but it is the same feed.

00:56:29.280 And then I'm on Twitter at RealKingPilled.

00:56:32.600 Excellent.

00:56:33.060 All right, guys.

00:56:33.440 And before we go over the questions of people,

00:56:34.940 I also want to tell you about

00:56:36.620 The Blaze's new documentary that's dropping tomorrow.

00:56:39.700 It's called Texas versus the Feds, 0.50

00:56:41.760 how the elites use the border crisis against us.

00:56:45.520 You guys might have noticed that all of a sudden

00:56:47.640 the battle between the Biden administration

00:56:49.980 and Texas Governor Greg Abbott,

00:56:52.800 it just kind of disappeared out of nowhere

00:56:54.400 and no one's really talking about it anymore.

00:56:56.260 And The Blaze looked into that

00:56:58.220 with this excellent documentary.

00:57:00.180 So Jason Buttrill and The Blaze Originals team

00:57:02.380 went ahead and found an alarming way

00:57:05.420 around the Texas National Guard border blockade.

00:57:08.620 And they wanted to show viewers

00:57:10.400 what was really going on.

00:57:12.060 Obviously, the media coverage of Eagle Pass

00:57:14.620 has kind of painted an alarming picture

00:57:16.260 of what's going on at the border,

00:57:17.940 but the truth is actually way worse.

00:57:20.500 And The Blaze's original team

00:57:21.680 went ahead and revealed that elites on the left

00:57:24.500 and right, along with the media,

00:57:26.360 are all working together

00:57:27.500 because they all have something to gain

00:57:29.200 from the border crisis.

00:57:31.220 And that's why those interests

00:57:33.000 make it appear like they're not

00:57:35.040 really going to solve the problem.

00:57:36.780 They make it like it's impossible

00:57:38.380 to solve the problem,

00:57:39.280 even though obviously we know

00:57:40.840 that the closing the border

00:57:41.840 isn't really rocket science.

00:57:43.720 So the mainstream media's narrative

00:57:45.380 isn't really panning out

00:57:46.820 when it comes to the Eagle Pass crisis.

00:57:49.640 And The Blaze wanted to show you

00:57:50.980 this original documentary to explain why.

00:57:53.640 85% of people reaching the border

00:57:56.240 are coming into America, 0.88

00:57:58.640 which is the highest percentage ever.

00:58:00.980 And a lot of people are looking at this

00:58:03.020 and realizing that at least 5.5 million

00:58:05.220 have illegally crossed into the U.S.

00:58:07.540 over the last 36 months,

00:58:09.240 which is one of the highest numbers of all time.

00:58:11.520 So if you want to see that documentary

00:58:12.880 and better understand what's going on,

00:58:15.060 go to therealbordercrisis.com

00:58:17.600 and use the promo code BORDER

00:58:19.820 to get $30 off your Blaze TV plus subscription.

00:58:24.160 All right, guys.

00:58:25.000 So Creeper Weirdo here 0.80

00:58:26.320 with our first question says,

00:58:28.920 honest guys, no jokes,

00:58:30.940 not memeing, not being a dingus.

00:58:33.400 Is this part of or close to putting the woke away? 0.96

00:58:36.420 I'm honestly asking.

00:58:37.980 Yeah, so this is a really interesting question

00:58:40.020 at this point because academic agent,

00:58:41.860 of course, everyone knows about the long-going bet

00:58:44.640 I have with academic agent

00:58:45.900 about whether or not the woke will be put away.

00:58:48.680 At this point, he has expanded his definition to that

00:58:51.300 to include the PayPal mafia.

00:58:53.360 Apparently, an entire rotation of elites

00:58:55.580 counts as putting the woke away. 0.73

00:58:58.460 I think that's kind of ridiculous at this point.

00:59:00.260 If we have an active group of people

00:59:01.660 who are looking to change the fundamental way

00:59:04.620 that America is governed,

00:59:06.380 to gut the administrative state,

00:59:07.820 to change all of this stuff,

00:59:09.240 yes, I guess in the process,

00:59:11.420 they would put the woke away,

00:59:12.880 but I think an actual full-on rotation of the elites,

00:59:16.320 the circulation of the elites

00:59:17.700 should kind of go in my column,

00:59:20.160 but I don't really know at this point.

00:59:21.820 It seems like the goalposts on this bet

00:59:24.180 have moved quite a bit at this point.

00:59:26.340 I think that this I would probably put in a,

00:59:30.980 like, what are the potential downsides

00:59:33.420 of this kind of thing happening?

00:59:34.520 Because I don't think that these people are,

00:59:38.740 they have no problem with certain things

00:59:43.780 having to do with things being done to children

00:59:46.200 and that sort of thing.

00:59:46.980 They're inclined, they're fundamentally liberals

00:59:48.700 and they're inclined toward,

00:59:50.320 you know, yeah, you should be free

00:59:51.720 to do whatever you want.

00:59:53.020 So I don't really think that,

00:59:54.820 I think the positive side of it is that

00:59:57.040 what they're like,

00:59:59.020 I don't care what you want with this,

01:00:01.020 just leave it out of my way.

01:00:02.480 Leave it, like, this needs to be a non-issue.

01:00:05.680 This shouldn't be affecting me doing business.

01:00:08.140 Right.

01:00:08.440 So, you know, I would say

01:00:10.700 they'd be inclined to marginalize them,

01:00:13.280 but try to do it in some sort of a way

01:00:14.860 where they're not, like, silencing them,

01:00:16.320 but they're also kind of like,

01:00:17.060 all right, it's time,

01:00:17.920 you guys had your time in the sun,

01:00:19.100 there's real issues going on right now,

01:00:21.060 why don't you take a back seat for a little bit?

01:00:23.220 Which, again, is something that throws them

01:00:24.980 directly into conflict with the regime.

01:00:27.260 Yeah, they're not necessarily

01:00:28.680 against the freaks in principle,

01:00:31.120 but they just don't want them gumming up

01:00:32.580 their ability to do whatever

01:00:34.800 they want to do with their business.

01:00:36.860 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:00:38.240 Yeah, Deuce Boogaloo says,

01:00:40.300 after the Ben Shapiro

01:00:41.160 social security discourse yesterday,

01:00:43.640 I finally found something progressive

01:00:45.080 and conservatives agree on.

01:00:46.920 Money printer go burr.

01:00:48.420 P.S.

01:00:49.060 I think now we might finally convince Ben

01:00:51.160 to be against democracy.

01:00:52.700 Yeah.

01:00:53.460 So for people who don't know,

01:00:54.860 Ben Shapiro was talking about

01:00:56.120 how we have to get rid of

01:00:57.520 social security yesterday

01:00:59.160 or raise the age because Joe Biden

01:01:00.940 successfully baited this conversation.

01:01:02.920 He specifically inserted

01:01:04.320 of the line in that

01:01:07.000 conservatives want to get rid

01:01:08.140 of social security,

01:01:09.340 even though like no one's running on this

01:01:11.980 or making a big deal about it

01:01:13.220 for a long time.

01:01:14.040 And of course,

01:01:14.940 conservative commentators

01:01:15.900 couldn't help but take the bait

01:01:17.580 because we're really good

01:01:18.620 at politics, I guess.

01:01:20.220 And my point

01:01:21.240 and my point was that

01:01:23.020 this is the wrong time

01:01:24.140 to engage this

01:01:24.980 because it's a 0.99

01:01:25.980 it's a loser 0.97

01:01:26.680 in a democracy. 0.96

01:01:27.700 A lot of people were like,

01:01:29.120 oh, so you're defending

01:01:29.860 social security.

01:01:30.680 I'm like, no, it just.

01:01:33.380 I'm saying that democracy

01:01:34.660 is a problem for you.

01:01:36.340 And if you want

01:01:37.640 to get rid of social security,

01:01:39.280 democracy is a really

01:01:40.660 serious problem for you.

01:01:42.020 And that problem

01:01:42.760 is not going to go away.

01:01:43.920 So you can sit here

01:01:45.120 and debate like on principle,

01:01:46.580 we need to get rid

01:01:47.480 of this economically

01:01:48.760 suicidal system.

01:01:50.420 OK, I hear you.

01:01:51.700 That's great.

01:01:52.480 People have been saying

01:01:53.160 that literally

01:01:53.700 in my entire life.

01:01:54.740 And it's even less popular

01:01:56.300 now than it was back then.

01:01:58.420 So what is going

01:01:59.680 to change here?

01:02:00.900 Because your rhetoric

01:02:01.760 is not solving the problem.

01:02:03.760 Voters are not just

01:02:04.620 going to wake up tomorrow

01:02:05.300 and be like, man,

01:02:06.020 I really wanted to pay

01:02:07.420 for my entire retirement.

01:02:09.100 I've been paying

01:02:09.880 for this thing

01:02:10.520 my whole life,

01:02:11.340 and I just really

01:02:12.140 don't want to get a check.

01:02:13.180 Now, they're not going

01:02:13.660 to get a check anyway,

01:02:14.460 but they don't know that 1.00

01:02:16.060 because democracy is stupid. 1.00

01:02:17.660 So like my argument 1.00

01:02:20.000 is not that like

01:02:20.660 social security is fine

01:02:22.460 and we'll just find

01:02:23.100 another way to fund it.

01:02:24.540 Blah, blah, blah.

01:02:25.260 No, like my point is

01:02:27.140 you are never going

01:02:28.400 to win an election

01:02:29.440 running on the idea

01:02:30.620 that we are going

01:02:31.360 to dismantle

01:02:32.580 one of the most

01:02:33.580 fundamental entitlements

01:02:34.960 in the United States.

01:02:37.680 Do with that

01:02:38.420 what you will,

01:02:39.460 but that's just

01:02:40.220 a political reality.

01:02:41.260 And that's what I do.

01:02:42.400 I do.

01:02:42.820 I do political reality.

01:02:45.300 So this one

01:02:47.280 of the new angles

01:02:48.100 that's come onto my radar

01:02:49.120 since I started talking

01:02:50.040 about this is a financial

01:02:51.940 interests angle here

01:02:54.580 that may be a potential

01:02:57.060 third part of this coalition

01:02:59.460 and it's the American

01:03:00.380 commercial banking system.

01:03:02.060 Now, this is mostly

01:03:02.760 outside my kin

01:03:03.780 in terms of like really

01:03:05.620 being able to get down

01:03:07.440 to the nitty gritty of it.

01:03:08.480 I understand it

01:03:09.080 when someone explains it to me,

01:03:10.120 but then being able

01:03:10.740 to repeat it,

01:03:11.440 just I don't have

01:03:12.300 the innate knowledge

01:03:13.740 there for it.

01:03:14.820 But as I'm understanding it,

01:03:16.240 listening to in particular,

01:03:17.780 Tom Luongo

01:03:18.600 has made this case along

01:03:19.760 Daniel DiMartino Booth

01:03:21.120 is another one.

01:03:22.180 There's a guy named

01:03:22.580 Phil Gibson

01:03:23.100 who has a substat

01:03:24.060 called saying

01:03:24.460 the quiet parts out loud.

01:03:25.760 They've been documenting

01:03:26.980 a growing movement

01:03:29.280 within Wall Street.

01:03:31.240 The two most prominent figures

01:03:32.600 are Jamie Dimon

01:03:33.320 and Jerome Powell

01:03:34.080 who are,

01:03:35.640 they are executing

01:03:38.340 monetary policy actions

01:03:40.920 that are directly cutting

01:03:43.080 against the globalist impulses.

01:03:45.520 And they seem to be

01:03:47.060 pointing in the direction

01:03:48.700 of retaining

01:03:49.360 American national sovereignty

01:03:50.700 over its own financial system.

01:03:54.140 Correlating that

01:03:54.900 with what's happening

01:03:57.060 with Bitcoin right now,

01:03:57.980 and I'm also not

01:03:58.520 a really big Bitcoin guy,

01:03:59.560 but I just have friends

01:04:00.360 who are and they talk

01:04:01.060 to me about it a lot.

01:04:02.340 As I understand it,

01:04:03.280 we're coming up on in April.

01:04:05.440 This is not financial advice

01:04:06.480 whatsoever

01:04:06.860 because I have no idea

01:04:07.560 what I'm talking about.

01:04:08.500 But there's going to be,

01:04:09.960 there's some mechanisms

01:04:10.700 that are going to lead

01:04:11.360 to a likely explosion

01:04:12.680 in value in Bitcoin,

01:04:14.080 which means there's going

01:04:14.760 to be a significant

01:04:15.460 wealth redistribution

01:04:16.520 that happens as a consequence

01:04:17.680 of that throughout the summer.

01:04:19.720 So then the people

01:04:20.660 who are overwhelmingly

01:04:21.760 into Bitcoin

01:04:22.480 are probably going to see

01:04:23.340 their net worth spike a lot.

01:04:25.780 If this does happen,

01:04:26.940 then that's going to recolor

01:04:29.400 the financial landscape.

01:04:31.460 So you're getting,

01:04:32.200 the regime is having to balance

01:04:33.520 a lot of plates right now

01:04:34.640 and a lot of those plates

01:04:35.480 are getting pretty shaky.

01:04:37.520 So I think the,

01:04:39.500 what the financial future looks like

01:04:41.500 is very much up for grabs

01:04:44.000 right now.

01:04:45.620 So this is something

01:04:46.600 that we'll be digging into

01:04:47.420 more at our show

01:04:48.040 as I'm trying to kind of

01:04:49.040 uncover more about this.

01:04:50.080 But that's what that reminded me of.

01:04:51.740 Sure.

01:04:52.600 Cooper Weirdo says,

01:04:53.540 how does Gamergate 2

01:04:54.620 fit into all this?

01:04:55.880 Guys, ethics in games journalism

01:04:57.720 are the core

01:04:58.560 of a true political awakening,

01:05:02.380 obviously.

01:05:03.540 And so prepare your memes.

01:05:06.180 Be prepared to be

01:05:07.040 in the meme trenches.

01:05:08.540 Make sure that you have ethics

01:05:11.140 in your video game journalism today.

01:05:14.140 Slosher says,

01:05:15.000 I laughed at Ayn Rand's character

01:05:16.600 in Atlas Shrugged

01:05:17.700 as unrealistic,

01:05:18.920 but it seems like the counter elite

01:05:20.100 may actually come from

01:05:21.100 industrialists and business leaders.

01:05:23.980 That was something

01:05:25.000 that we didn't have time

01:05:25.880 to get into,

01:05:26.580 but is maybe next time

01:05:28.620 or maybe, you know,

01:05:29.320 when we have more time.

01:05:31.000 But yeah,

01:05:31.400 I did plan to touch on the fact

01:05:33.200 that these were

01:05:34.240 very much financial merchant

01:05:37.660 counter elites

01:05:38.900 as were normally

01:05:39.980 when we see a rotation

01:05:40.980 of elites,

01:05:41.540 it's of a different type.

01:05:42.940 It's of a martial elite

01:05:44.120 or a priestly elite.

01:05:45.660 In some ways,

01:05:46.300 I guess you could say

01:05:46.980 that the priestly elites

01:05:48.140 have taken over

01:05:49.040 with the DEI stuff.

01:05:50.720 And this is the revolt

01:05:51.540 of the merchant elites

01:05:53.280 to retake their power

01:05:54.980 inside the system

01:05:56.500 back from the priestly elites.

01:05:58.700 So I guess there is a way

01:06:00.160 you could cast that.

01:06:01.380 But it is interesting

01:06:02.240 that in an age of money power,

01:06:04.380 it feels like the Caesar

01:06:05.580 is, instead of coming

01:06:06.760 from a more martial caste,

01:06:08.880 is instead reasserting

01:06:11.000 the preeminence of money power.

01:06:13.660 And that part of the incentive structure

01:06:16.440 for them there to rise up,

01:06:19.320 like whatever the mechanism

01:06:20.160 is behind it,

01:06:21.080 the incentive for the people

01:06:22.500 who are beginning to rise up

01:06:23.800 that squares with the economic desire

01:06:27.440 to have America 0.52

01:06:29.180 remain a legitimate entity.

01:06:31.100 That America is not just something

01:06:32.520 that exists for the sake

01:06:33.440 of the rest of the world,

01:06:34.380 but being an American

01:06:36.200 is not something to be ashamed of.

01:06:38.000 And we need to have borders

01:06:39.080 and we need to control

01:06:40.340 our own economic interests.

01:06:42.000 We need to not be compromised

01:06:43.020 by spies from other countries,

01:06:46.080 dual loyalties

01:06:46.780 within governmental structures

01:06:47.900 like America needs to be for America.

01:06:51.220 There's strong economic reasons

01:06:52.940 for industrialists

01:06:54.240 and business leaders.

01:06:55.260 Even in a globalized world,

01:06:56.400 there's strong reasons

01:06:57.120 for them to want that sort of thing.

01:06:59.860 And when you see things

01:07:00.620 like Elon Musk

01:07:01.700 having his compensation package

01:07:04.220 just arbitrarily removed,

01:07:05.980 that's the sort of thing

01:07:07.260 that gets these people uncomfortable.

01:07:10.780 They're not happy living in a world

01:07:12.100 where their interests

01:07:13.040 can be threatened that easily.

01:07:15.080 Absolutely.

01:07:16.400 Le Fermage says,

01:07:17.540 it's all good and well

01:07:18.600 that there might be

01:07:20.940 a rising counter-elite,

01:07:22.040 but based on Pete Q's episode yesterday,

01:07:24.560 they'll still run up

01:07:25.360 against the greatest filter,

01:07:26.560 which is unfunded liabilities.

01:07:29.140 So yeah, in a way that's true,

01:07:31.280 which was kind of my point

01:07:32.420 when it came to Social Security.

01:07:34.780 So the thing that Ben Shapiro

01:07:36.760 and the rest of like conservative land

01:07:39.320 is not going to tell you

01:07:40.400 about Social Security

01:07:41.480 is the real problem

01:07:42.840 with Social Security

01:07:43.820 is the fact that

01:07:45.100 if you want to get rid of it,

01:07:46.460 you actually need to collapse

01:07:47.800 your entire economic model

01:07:49.080 because your entire economic model

01:07:51.200 is predicated on the idea

01:07:52.860 that everyone is an individual,

01:07:54.820 that the individual

01:07:56.040 is the primary economic unit.

01:07:58.900 And therefore,

01:07:59.720 at some point

01:08:00.880 when the individual

01:08:02.020 is no longer able

01:08:02.920 to go ahead

01:08:03.880 and produce for themselves,

01:08:05.300 you hand things over

01:08:06.280 to the managerial state, right?

01:08:08.860 That's what the managerial state becomes.

01:08:11.000 It's a proxy

01:08:11.820 for all of the dependencies

01:08:14.160 that used to be foisted

01:08:15.380 upon your community

01:08:16.380 and your family.

01:08:17.480 If you want to get rid

01:08:18.580 of the total state, guys,

01:08:20.000 spoiler alert for my book here,

01:08:21.960 you know,

01:08:22.500 if you want to get rid

01:08:23.840 of the total state,

01:08:24.820 the answer is

01:08:25.740 the rebinding of society

01:08:28.560 into collective groups.

01:08:31.240 It's the rebinding

01:08:32.020 into communities and families.

01:08:34.180 You can't have

01:08:35.560 a totally individualistic society

01:08:38.080 in which the state

01:08:38.880 does not grow.

01:08:40.460 But most of conservative land

01:08:42.740 is going to tell you

01:08:43.560 that we have to continue

01:08:44.640 with kind of this

01:08:45.520 radically individual ideology.

01:08:47.480 And so they have,

01:08:48.720 they can say,

01:08:49.420 oh, we got to get rid

01:08:50.200 of social security,

01:08:50.980 but they have no real plan

01:08:52.820 for how society

01:08:53.940 gets structured

01:08:54.820 when you strip away

01:08:56.340 these governmental apparatus

01:08:58.900 that didn't just emerge

01:09:00.080 out of nowhere.

01:09:00.580 They came about

01:09:02.180 because we got rid

01:09:03.580 of the dependencies

01:09:06.020 that used to bind us together

01:09:07.680 into these smaller communities.

01:09:09.840 So, yeah,

01:09:10.580 you can get rid

01:09:11.620 of these unfunded liabilities,

01:09:13.600 but to do that,

01:09:14.780 you basically have to collapse

01:09:16.560 a large amount

01:09:17.700 of the way

01:09:18.060 we understand economics

01:09:19.580 and we have to turn

01:09:21.100 something like the family

01:09:22.220 back into the primary unit

01:09:24.280 of economics.

01:09:27.200 Distribute a shout out.

01:09:28.660 And so,

01:09:29.420 and so that's a change

01:09:31.180 that most people

01:09:32.340 on the right

01:09:32.800 are completely unwilling

01:09:33.980 to talk about.

01:09:34.900 And certainly the people

01:09:35.780 in mainstream conservatism

01:09:37.340 are unwilling to talk about.

01:09:38.980 And this is why

01:09:39.560 I'm basically laughing

01:09:40.720 and mocking these people

01:09:41.820 when they talk about

01:09:42.620 getting rid of social security

01:09:43.780 because they are fundamentally

01:09:45.460 unserious about

01:09:46.400 what that would mean.

01:09:47.900 I'm with you.

01:09:48.860 It's a social,

01:09:51.020 it's a fiscal suicide.

01:09:52.780 I'm on board with that.

01:09:54.580 But you're not really ready

01:09:55.840 to talk about

01:09:56.440 what it would take

01:09:57.100 to avoid that.

01:09:58.300 And so you're just

01:09:58.800 an unserious person

01:09:59.680 when you're sitting there

01:10:00.340 talking about getting rid

01:10:01.340 of this program.

01:10:02.520 And so, yeah,

01:10:02.980 I'm with you.

01:10:03.700 Like, those things

01:10:04.420 don't magically go away

01:10:05.780 and no amount of like

01:10:08.280 making the system

01:10:10.280 more efficient

01:10:11.160 does anything

01:10:12.480 but kick this problem

01:10:13.540 down the road,

01:10:15.260 which I think is,

01:10:16.180 you know,

01:10:16.400 what Matt is talking about here.

01:10:18.220 And so a reform

01:10:19.820 of the system

01:10:21.720 might simply mean

01:10:23.640 that we don't hit the wall

01:10:24.700 for another couple decades,

01:10:25.940 but it doesn't end up

01:10:27.480 solving the actual problem,

01:10:28.920 which is that

01:10:29.500 we have created societies

01:10:31.220 that simply are unsustainable.

01:10:32.900 And we will run

01:10:33.800 into that problem eventually.

01:10:36.400 My buddy Jason

01:10:37.080 at the 2-Bit Podcast

01:10:37.980 and I have been

01:10:38.740 developing this concept,

01:10:40.260 largely him and me

01:10:41.380 in support of him.

01:10:42.980 This idea of

01:10:44.200 civilizational capital

01:10:45.260 and the fundamental premise

01:10:46.220 of it is

01:10:46.840 we don't live

01:10:47.380 in a civilization anymore.

01:10:48.920 We live in the ashes

01:10:49.940 of a civilization.

01:10:51.040 There once was

01:10:51.600 a civilization here,

01:10:52.620 but there is no longer.

01:10:54.400 And the task before us,

01:10:56.140 our responsibility,

01:10:57.120 because we believe

01:10:57.800 we don't have rights,

01:10:58.840 we have duties.

01:11:00.160 We have responsibilities

01:11:01.080 to those

01:11:02.840 whom we exist

01:11:03.760 in a relationship with

01:11:05.040 and those

01:11:07.240 with whom

01:11:07.540 we exist

01:11:07.880 in a relationship.

01:11:09.400 And our task

01:11:11.880 before us

01:11:12.440 is to fulfill

01:11:13.000 those responsibilities,

01:11:13.760 which is to build

01:11:14.720 a civilization.

01:11:15.200 We live in a network

01:11:17.160 of like a jungle

01:11:18.320 of warring primal tribes,

01:11:20.420 and we just have

01:11:21.400 extra fancy rocks

01:11:22.480 that we use

01:11:23.000 to fight with each other.

01:11:24.480 But our task now

01:11:26.660 needs to be

01:11:27.600 rebuilding a civilization,

01:11:29.680 reuniting in these

01:11:30.640 small organized

01:11:31.440 collective groups,

01:11:32.420 forming intentional

01:11:33.080 communities,

01:11:34.360 and beginning to build.

01:11:36.340 We have to build.

01:11:38.160 It's no longer

01:11:38.880 the time for

01:11:39.580 sitting back

01:11:40.500 and waiting to see.

01:11:42.420 Someone else said

01:11:43.020 in the chat earlier,

01:11:43.980 they said,

01:11:44.280 oh, trust the plan.

01:11:45.060 And no,

01:11:45.240 this is the opposite of that.

01:11:46.360 There is no plan.

01:11:47.940 Don't trust the plan.

01:11:49.240 There's a direction

01:11:49.860 things are going,

01:11:51.640 but we don't know

01:11:52.520 exactly what direction

01:11:53.480 that is.

01:11:53.980 So you have to have

01:11:54.720 a plan for yourself.

01:11:56.420 You need to be

01:11:57.160 building your own capital,

01:11:59.320 whether that's

01:11:59.940 physical capital

01:12:00.760 or social capital

01:12:01.640 or spiritual capital,

01:12:02.660 intellectual capital,

01:12:03.080 capital.

01:12:03.500 You need to be

01:12:03.960 building that yourself

01:12:05.080 and uniting yourself

01:12:06.740 with clans of people

01:12:08.160 who are doing

01:12:08.600 the same thing.

01:12:10.040 Fortunately,

01:12:10.620 the internet makes

01:12:11.240 this very easy.

01:12:12.080 We have the capacity

01:12:12.760 to do that in ways

01:12:13.800 that have never

01:12:14.360 been done before.

01:12:15.300 Shout out to James Poulos.

01:12:18.280 But yeah,

01:12:18.580 so this is,

01:12:19.740 whether this PayPal

01:12:20.740 mafia thing phenomenon

01:12:22.160 was happening or not,

01:12:23.680 I would be saying

01:12:24.420 the same thing.

01:12:25.220 Like,

01:12:25.380 this is what we need

01:12:26.140 to be doing.

01:12:27.460 Not everybody

01:12:28.180 is going to experience

01:12:29.060 the collapse.

01:12:29.720 Some people are going

01:12:30.440 to actually grow

01:12:31.420 through the collapse.

01:12:32.180 And our task

01:12:33.360 needs to be ensuring

01:12:34.080 that it's us

01:12:34.720 and our people

01:12:35.440 who are positioned

01:12:36.460 to do that.

01:12:37.200 And if that means

01:12:37.820 at some point

01:12:39.120 we cling on to

01:12:39.860 the tailcoat

01:12:41.080 of some other people

01:12:41.980 who are doing

01:12:42.400 the same thing

01:12:43.100 and let them

01:12:43.860 pull us a little ways,

01:12:44.840 okay, great.

01:12:45.400 We'll do that.

01:12:45.940 If they aren't

01:12:46.600 available to us,

01:12:47.280 then we got to

01:12:47.680 do it ourselves.

01:12:49.260 Yep,

01:12:49.600 that's right.

01:12:52.420 Latverio 1024

01:12:54.160 says,

01:12:54.720 old and busted

01:12:55.360 cesarean section,

01:12:56.760 new hotness,

01:12:57.700 sectional cesarean,

01:12:59.000 caesarism.

01:13:00.100 Excellent.

01:13:00.580 Well done, sir.

01:13:02.300 And finally,

01:13:03.220 John Morton says,

01:13:04.240 great stream, guys.

01:13:05.020 Very interesting.

01:13:05.780 I hope there are clever people

01:13:08.060 working behind the scenes.

01:13:09.440 Have you considered

01:13:09.920 trying to get

01:13:10.560 an interview

01:13:11.300 with Vivek?

01:13:12.260 I have indeed

01:13:12.980 actually tried

01:13:13.640 to reach out to Vivek.

01:13:14.560 I have not heard back.

01:13:15.960 Hopefully that will change,

01:13:17.240 but so far,

01:13:17.900 no luck

01:13:18.400 in pursuing that.

01:13:19.760 I did want to

01:13:20.320 at some point

01:13:21.040 talk to him

01:13:21.700 specifically about

01:13:22.980 the managerial elite

01:13:24.680 and kind of

01:13:25.440 pick his brain

01:13:26.000 about how far

01:13:26.680 they have actually

01:13:27.500 considered the implications there.

01:13:30.300 All right, guys,

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - March 13, 2024

Rise of the PayPal Mafia ｜ Guest： Kingpilled ｜ 3⧸13⧸2024

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