The Auron MacIntyre Show - SCOTUS Upholds Birthright Citizenship ｜ Guest： Mark Hemingway ｜ 7⧸1⧸26

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00:00:41.580 unfortunate uh supreme court decisions here in the last few days they're gonna have a very serious

00:00:47.220 impact on our elections and unfortunately possibly the integrity of our entire nation

00:00:54.040 join me to discuss this today as a man who has written for pretty much every conservative

00:00:57.900 publication you can think of mark hemingway thank you so much for coming on man how are you doing

00:01:02.320 i practically worked at every conservative publication you can think of right i could

00:01:07.980 just start listing them but why bother right just say yes what you're trying to say is i'm old um

00:01:13.080 yes but but with excellent experience um so uh mark i know that you and your wife wrote a book

00:01:22.480 about uh election integrity the election of 2020 everything that happened going on there this is

00:01:28.840 something that you are well versed in uh so let's start with the ruling that is getting less

00:01:33.840 attention but i think is also incredibly important what happened with mail-in balance what did the

00:01:39.060 supreme court rule in this case uh they basically ruled that you know states that have existing laws

00:01:44.760 allowing you to accept uh mail-in ballots absentee ballots after election day um you know are are are

00:01:52.020 fine. Basically, the Supreme Court is, you know, there are huge problems with this decision just

00:01:57.440 from a common sense perspective in terms of, you know, you look at a lot of these states where,

00:02:02.760 you know, there's an issue where, you know, like in California, I believe the law is, you know,

00:02:06.960 they will accept ballots after election day if they don't even necessarily have postmarks,

00:02:10.920 which is just absolute madness. I mean, there's no way to prove there's any sort of chain of

00:02:15.780 custody or anything like that with these particular ballots that come in after election day. So,

00:02:21.760 just you know obviously from a fraud perspective that's a problem and the idea that we don't have

00:02:26.480 fraud problems because of this is just absolute nonsense um we had you know two elections in the

00:02:32.880 largest city in connecticut basically that were stolen by a democratic mayor um you know elections

00:02:38.320 literally overturned because they caught someone who worked for his campaign on bat on camera

00:02:43.440 stuffing you know about stuffing drop boxes with you know mail-in ballots um and uh you know this

00:02:50.480 likely extended to two mayoral primaries that he won narrowly this way. And the interesting thing

00:02:57.060 about this is the only reason why we know this happened is because it happened in a Democratic

00:03:01.560 primary, where there was an actual incentive for the urban Democratic machine, like not everybody

00:03:07.000 was aligned on who was stealing the election. You had this been a general election where we're

00:03:11.140 stuffing a ballot box against Republican, of course, you know, there just isn't any sort of,

00:03:15.240 you know, institutional incentive when you have, you know, majority Democrat urban machine to

00:03:22.220 determine whether or not there's any ballot fraud in sort of general elections. So there are obvious

00:03:30.360 problems with this. Now, from the Supreme Court's perspective, I think what is going on here to some

00:03:36.660 extent is there's been a lot of hand-wringing, particularly by John Roberts, you know, the chief

00:03:42.340 justice about preserving the quote-unquote integrity of the court in the eyes of the

00:03:47.440 public.

00:03:48.660 And the Supreme Court had previously handed down a very controversial decision, at least

00:03:53.640 controversial for the left, that the Voting Rights Act mandated gerrymandering congressional

00:04:01.160 districts explicitly on racial lines, that this had been accepted law in a lot of places

00:04:05.240 in the country, even though it's just prima facie and sane, that in a country where you're

00:04:11.060 not supposed to discriminate against people if they were doing this. And the Supreme Court had

00:04:14.320 said, no, you can't, you know, you know, can't draw congressional race, you know, congressional

00:04:20.140 boundaries strictly on race. I mean, that's ridiculous. And Justice Thomas, of course, 0.97

00:04:24.440 went even further than that and said he would strike that entire part of the Voting Rights Act

00:04:28.620 that, you know, that people were using to interpret to say that this was, you know, an okay thing to

00:04:33.320 do. And I think what the Supreme Court is just trying to do is they're trying to preserve their

00:04:37.920 integrated by saying, we're just going to stay out of how local elections are, you know, run

00:04:42.760 pretty much, you know, all together, you know, states are going to have the final authority

00:04:47.680 on how they conduct their elections, not federal courts coming in and saying you have to racially

00:04:52.940 gerrymander, not federal courts coming in and saying you can't accept ballots after election

00:04:58.040 day, you know, one for the right, one for the left or whatever. And the problem is, is that,

00:05:03.460 But when these decisions aren't dictated along the lines of the law and common sense necessarily, over time, it starts to look like they're making decisions to preserve the integrity of the court rather than ruling on the law.

00:05:18.460 And that, over time, is going to be the thing that undermines people's perception of the court's integrity.

00:05:24.660 Right. That's a huge problem. You can't just say, well, we're a body that interprets a set piece of law.

00:05:32.400 But if we feel like it might create some civil unrest or it might undermine our position somewhere in the body politic, well, then we'll just make another decision and we'll kind of just invent the, you know, the ideas behind it along the way.

00:05:46.340 We'll create the justification.

00:05:48.280 That's an insane way to operate, especially after watching what just happened with the Spencer Pratt election.

00:05:53.140 Like, does it just create an arms race where every state either rigs its own elections or falls behind?

00:06:00.220 Yes.

00:06:00.700 And what it's really going to do is it's going to create a whole new set of issues that, of course, the Supreme Court's going to have to decide further down the line.

00:06:07.640 You know, they're just creating bigger headaches for themselves, you know, ultimately, I think, in a lot of ways.

00:06:12.140 Never mind that we're already dealing with this situation here where preserving the, quote, unquote, integrity of the court is like, I'm sorry, that horse is out of the barn.

00:06:19.800 Democrats have decided they've already gone all in on court packing, basically.

00:06:23.600 they had complete control of the court for decades and decades and decades and all of a sudden they

00:06:29.400 don't have control of the court for the first time in a you know couple of generations and they're

00:06:34.080 freaking out and they have you know shown no integrity of their own on this you know they're

00:06:40.600 gonna you know if they if they get the ability to you know uh you know gain control of all three

00:06:45.960 branches or whatever they're gonna do something drastic and i mean like this is the thing right

00:06:50.140 now that I think everybody should be worried about, which is that, you know, the 2030 census

00:06:54.600 is going to be existential for Democrats in a lot of ways. I mean, the way it's going to reapportion

00:06:58.520 congressional seats and electoral votes in this country is going to make it very hard for Democrats

00:07:03.960 to win nationally for a long time to come. I mean, the bottom line here is that democratic

00:07:08.840 governance is a national crisis and we need to be treating it as such. And one of the problems

00:07:13.540 that that's created in terms of this quote unquote crisis is one for the Democratic Party

00:07:18.400 itself. Nobody wants to live in areas that are governed by Democrats anymore. And they're all

00:07:22.460 moving to South Carolina, Texas, Tennessee, Florida, you know, the, the, the Sunbelt, uh,

00:07:27.880 you know, you know, or, you know, places where they're just even places like Arizona, which

00:07:31.600 aren't necessarily Republican, but are just far less democratic and more sane than, you know,

00:07:36.480 California, for instance. So, um, you know, when, if, if Democrats get control of all three branches

00:07:42.860 of, you know, in, in 2028, they're going to make, they're going to try and do something drastic.

00:07:47.280 I don't know whether it means creating two new states out of Puerto Rico and D.C. or packing the court or whatever it is they have to do.

00:07:54.500 But that's what we're looking at right now, and their approach to the court is a big part of that.

00:08:00.280 In addition to the fact that they're freaking out that they just don't have control over this branch, they've also just figured out that the way that the modern judiciary has developed, it's the only branch of government that basically has no democratic accountability.

00:08:11.700 And you can just create laws and do whatever the hell you want ex-cathedra at this point in time.

00:08:15.820 And if you look at, you know, all of these national injunctions that completely random federal judges are handing down against Trump, it's pretty clear that judges are abusing their power and Democrats intend to let them abuse their power, you know, because it's only really running in one direction.

00:08:32.480 You didn't see a flood of nationwide injunctions against Obama or Biden.

00:08:38.200 I mean, you saw a few here and there, but but not anywhere near the level.

00:08:43.220 I mean, I forget people have done charts on this, but I mean, like the number of national injunctions that have happened just in Trump's term, you know, exceeds the last however many presidents combined. It's nuts.

00:08:53.420 Well, and I don't think that this is a coincidence. I think that this was a situation manufactured by the left.

00:09:00.080 I mean, they basically paralyzed Congress.

00:09:04.280 They paralyzed the executive.

00:09:06.500 If a Republican's in charge, you have the deep state and you have the inability to actually use the machinery of the executive branch in any meaningful sense.

00:09:15.260 And so the only real branch of government that consistently could deliver any kind of result, I mean, Congress can't even pass a budget.

00:09:22.440 So what do we have?

00:09:23.220 Well, we've got judges basically ruling the country.

00:09:25.860 The only time we actually see real legislative change in any significant sense is when the courts decide legislation said something else. And that's what really matters. And so they built basically, I mean, you look at the Civil Rights Act and all of the case law around it and how it radically warped the entirety of the American experience without basically any legislation being passed for a very long time.

00:09:48.620 you know, that ability was something that the Democrats entirely relied on. And when they lost

00:09:53.660 control of the highest version of the court, you know, that obviously sent them into a panic

00:09:58.580 because they created this monster and now they didn't entirely control it. But yeah, you're

00:10:03.020 right. Like going forward, the plan is to ensure that nothing like that could ever happen again.

00:10:07.720 Yes, no, that's, that's exactly right. And, you know, so much of this is just about

00:10:13.440 propping up the system anymore or whatever. And frankly, part of the problem here is,

00:10:18.620 is that the system for so long has, you know, relied on assumptions that, you know,

00:10:25.800 support liberal America's vision for things basically, or whatever. And, you know, here's

00:10:32.460 the thing I will say, there've been a couple of really bad Supreme Court decisions here, but,

00:10:36.320 you know, and again, this is not necessarily a huge compliment to the current court.

00:10:41.100 But one thing people need to understand is this is the best Supreme Court we've had in American history, period.

00:10:46.900 I mean, it really is like that. That's that's that's not necessarily a compliment to the judicial branch or the Supreme Court.

00:10:54.360 But to be perfectly perfectly honest, I mean, originalism has won the day.

00:10:58.960 You know, even the liberal justices pretty much, you know, argue from originalist point of view, you know,

00:11:04.920 And, you know, even with John Roberts and Justice Barrett doing some things that are, you know, causing a lot of consternation on the right, you know, those are two justices that still routinely have weighed in on the right position on some, you know, fairly important things for conservatives in this country.

00:11:21.180 And things that I should clarify aren't just, you know, good for conservatives.

00:11:25.260 These are things that are very much in accordance with, you know, what the Constitution was, you know, intended to be, you know, and general human flourishing and liberty.

00:11:33.980 um so you know we shouldn't be completely despairing in that regard but it should also

00:11:39.980 be a wake-up call to show you like look this is the best spring court we've ever had we got a long

00:11:44.220 ways to go here um and it's just frustrating because you know look we overturned roe v wade

00:11:50.060 right and that was a generational project that was 50 years and lots of money and huge amounts

00:11:57.020 of investment and everything and it's like we won on the legal question finally and quite

00:12:01.180 definitively and i you know and at the same time uh living for 50 years under the the insane regime

00:12:09.340 created by roe v wade where you could kill an unborn child for any reason at any time uh you

00:12:14.940 know we had an abortion regime this country went far beyond what you know socialist europe had

00:12:19.900 i'm in terms of its you know you know being lax and frankly barbaric um and that had a radical 0.75

00:12:27.020 transformational effect on the culture and you know now that we've undone undone roe v wade

00:12:33.420 has it necessarily slowed down abortion in this country no it hasn't right we've got this huge

00:12:38.380 cultural battle that we now have to fight but we you know we couldn't have we couldn't have fought

00:12:43.100 it at a reasonable piecemeal way because the existing law was so insane for so long um and

00:12:49.900 that's kind of what we're dealing with here i'm afraid on the birthright citizenship thing like

00:12:53.900 I'm not a doomer on the birthright citizenship issue, and certainly I think we're going to go

00:13:00.020 into that. But the reality is that it's going to force a generational battle. It's going to force

00:13:04.480 us to start vetting for judges on immigration. The way that we vet it for judges and make sure

00:13:09.520 that they're pro-life and other things like that, it's going to cause us to completely refocus and

00:13:14.120 redirect a lot of our energies toward undoing the damage. No, I agree with all of that. And

00:13:19.560 you know you're right to stop and pause and say look as frustrating as these rulings are

00:13:24.200 you know this is the best court we've had in an extremely long time you know it's like when people

00:13:30.040 get angry at the trump administration it's like look guys i i understand i have my disagreements

00:13:33.940 but you know they're still the best republican administration i've seen in my entire lifetime

00:13:38.780 now that might be insufficient like things might be so dire that the best is not enough but that

00:13:44.940 doesn't you know you still have to keep that in mind that you know that the reality is they are

00:13:49.720 still outperforming everything we've seen before basically yes uh but that said i share your

00:13:57.040 concerns about the generational nature of what this project is going to entail because i was

00:14:01.600 actually going to bring up exactly what you just said there with roe v wade you know we spent so

00:14:05.720 many decades vote vetting these judges focusing entirely on pro-life causes making this essential

00:14:12.640 thing and you know rightly so abortion is an absolute you know crime against humanity it

00:14:18.260 should absolutely be outlawed um that that was the right thing to focus on at that time

00:14:23.500 but the amount of time it took for that generational change to occur meant that basically

00:14:30.480 we lost the the war while winning that battle in a lot of ways i don't know that we could even

00:14:37.680 convince the culture at large anymore. We were much closer in the 1970s in convincing people

00:14:43.540 that abortion was wrong than we are today, even though we couldn't do it because of the legal

00:14:47.320 framework. Now we have the legal framework, but the culture is so far gone. I don't know that we

00:14:51.460 can fight back to that point. And I fear the same to be true of birthright citizenship. Yeah, I think

00:14:58.180 we do start vetting judges for this. I think we do make this the litmus test. We make it clear

00:15:02.520 that this is the only way to understand the 14th amendment but you know when we have originalist

00:15:08.140 judges saying actually the 14th amendment totally meant chinese birthright citizenship

00:15:12.260 what does the originalist hermeneutic even mean at that point and if we do groom judges to

00:15:18.260 specifically understand that issue and not just the general approach to the constitution

00:15:23.080 and it takes us another 50 years to get you know a bench full of guys who believe that

00:15:28.200 then what will the country look like yeah the democrats are in trouble because uh no one wants 0.97

00:15:33.180 to live in the areas they govern except all the third worlders they want to bring in and give 0.98

00:15:36.900 citizenship to in 50 years will people even remember what it looks like to have a functional

00:15:41.480 society to fall back on yeah so one of the things we need to understand here i think is that uh

00:15:47.980 the conservative legal movement right now is kind of like the dog that caught the car bumper

00:15:51.640 um you know there were so many things here where you know the the conservative legal movement was

00:15:56.720 set up to like you know fix right um they were gonna um you know like and if you look at what's

00:16:02.880 been accomplished just in like the last decade with you know roe v wade you know chevron restraining

00:16:08.320 federal power um you know i mean generation multiple generational victories on the second

00:16:13.420 amendment and religious freedom i mean these are really really big things i mean like let's let's

00:16:18.180 be clear here you know um there's a a lot of you know wonderful things that have come out of

00:16:23.720 conservative legal movement. If you look at the conservative movement as a whole, the conservative

00:16:27.940 legal movement itself might be the most successful sort of part of that sort of coalition in terms of

00:16:33.520 having, you know, lasting change, achieving lasting victories. Okay. You know, does that mean that,

00:16:41.720 you know, we're in a great place right now? No, it doesn't. But it's not anything to sneeze at.

00:16:47.080 It is also true that, you know, part of the issue there is the part of the reason we were focusing

00:16:51.800 on things like the second amendment and roe v wade and all these other things is because you know 10

00:16:57.480 15 years ago even though you know there were plenty of people that were pointing cassandra

00:17:02.440 like to the problems of mass immigration it really didn't seem like an issue um that most people were

00:17:08.720 concerned about and moreover you know probably wrongly but there was already a fairly big

00:17:13.980 consensus view across the board that birthright citizenship was a thing that was in the constitution

00:17:18.780 and had been that way for 100 150 years um even though as we're learning you know um the historical

00:17:25.260 record on this issue is a lot more complicated um and you know worth paying attention to so um

00:17:33.580 i again i i you know i you know you could there are people that would say the federalist society

00:17:40.460 and all these other things had turned into sort of you know careerists or whatever you know and

00:17:44.780 had gotten sort of fat and happy and didn't take the principles at stake um you know as seriously

00:17:49.580 as they should have and i think that there's some you know might be a little bit of truth to that

00:17:53.900 i mean part of the one of the issues is that we need to go after as a conservative we need to go

00:17:57.580 after big law a lot more strongly trump started to do that but um there's a lot that's going on

00:18:01.980 in big law firms that is i think corrupting things um but it's also true again that i think that you

00:18:07.340 know you're seeing the conservative legal movement that is turning fairly sharply on this issue

00:18:12.300 um and and i think they're going to be in in the right place um but again it's just a question

00:18:17.340 how much time and energy it's going to take to get to a point where you know we overturn this

00:18:22.060 but it's also true that 10 15 years ago um this you know just wasn't an issue on everybody's

00:18:28.140 radar i mean it really wasn't until joe biden tried to literally weaponize it by letting in

00:18:32.860 you know 10 12 15 you know whatever the estimates are but you know it's at least 10 million illegals

00:18:38.860 into the country as a deliberate attempt to change the demographics, that, you know, 0.57

00:18:44.100 people had to wake up to this.

00:18:45.800 I mean, part of the problem here is I think that we just consistently underestimate how,

00:18:50.220 you know, basically vicious Democrats are going to be in terms of, you know, doing end

00:18:55.980 arounds around the Constitution to get what they want and to acquire the power that they

00:19:02.700 want.

00:19:04.040 No, I mean, that's absolutely true.

00:19:06.360 And I guess, you know, the biggest problem, I think, for allowing this to be addressed was that until things got pretty obviously dire, it was very difficult to have the conversation with conservatives about why demographics matter.

00:19:23.140 It was really taboo.

00:19:24.940 You weren't allowed to talk about it. 0.99

00:19:26.660 You know, Ben Shapiro, you know, famously, I don't give a damn about the browning of America. 0.71

00:19:31.400 You know, these are things that we're not allowed to address.

00:19:33.940 We're not allowed to notice that different groups have different cultures and those cultures come with different traditions that will support different political ideas, that these are not just completely disembodied, you know, ideological things just floating in the air, that political positions and political understandings are actually grounded in the way people grow up, the way they understand the world, the religions, these things.

00:19:59.760 And so when we import people from many different places who do not hold these values, they will eventually change the nature of the United States and its legal culture and its legislation, everything else alongside it.

00:20:14.760 Like this was just something that was aggressively gatecapped out of almost all conservative institutions and conversations. 0.67

00:20:21.700 Of course, you have the Pat Buchanan's, as you say, you have these others who were up

00:20:25.720 front about this early, but, you know, Enoch Powell and Pat Buchanan are making comeback

00:20:29.860 for a reason here, you know, that they obviously saw this a long way out.

00:20:33.960 And I think the good news is it does seem like we're much more comfortable having this

00:20:39.540 realization, having this discussion.

00:20:42.260 I'm constantly on mainstream, you know, talk shows or, you know, these different organizations

00:20:48.100 and they're having this conversation, like they're recognizing this issue.

00:20:51.360 So I think that we shouldn't discount how far things have come. There has been a radical change in just the last five to 10 years on this. But I just worry that this is a ticking time bomb. And we spent so much time telling people not to look at the time bomb that we only have so much time left to diffuse this before it really becomes an issue that can no longer be addressed in this manner.

00:21:12.880 yeah and i think that like so what you said there is exactly the reason why i think part of the

00:21:18.080 issue is the judiciary has to pull its head out of its posterior um you know like you mentioned

00:21:23.720 earlier you talked about you know the hermeneutics of of originalism like what does this even mean

00:21:27.860 at a certain point right and so one of the things that's interesting uh you know my wife just wrote

00:21:32.640 a book on justice samuel alito and one of the things that's interesting about samuel alito is

00:21:36.360 that he's an originalist but with a giant asterisk he calls himself a practical originalist like

00:21:41.760 Basically, the deal here is he thinks it's really important to determine the, you know, the, you know, why a law was created and what the rationale or whatever was behind it.

00:21:50.920 But at the end of the day, you know, it can't just be an argument about semantics.

00:21:54.620 Like, you've got to figure out what, you know, the the the the the end result that you want that is both compatible with the Constitution and is, you know, a matter of sort of human, you know, what is going to produce the most in the way of human flourishing.

00:22:07.280 um and uh you know the birthright citizenship case is a very good example of this right you

00:22:15.420 know you can go down these textualist rabbit holes about oh well the constitution this is

00:22:19.980 what they obviously intended i guarantee you that you know if i could you know um exhume george 0.91

00:22:26.320 washington's you know corpse and have him talk to us he would look at you know chinese spies

00:22:31.620 flowing flying the territories in the northern marianas or whatever and giving birth and having

00:22:36.540 kids that are you know citizens the united states that can you know run for president or whatever

00:22:40.700 he would say that is absolute madness right you know uh so look yes i mean i think the actual

00:22:47.440 historical and quote-unquote originalist textualist case um against birthright citizenship is far

00:22:52.900 stronger than uh the decision that was handed down would have you believe and in fact if you

00:22:57.860 read clarence thomas's 91 page dissent and alito's brilliant dissent as well you'll see that

00:23:02.980 They, they, they, they raise all kinds of issues that the majority doesn't have any

00:23:07.080 answer for, um, at all on this.

00:23:09.340 So like, I'm not ceding that ground either, but at the same time, like you can't be an 1.00

00:23:13.680 idiot. 1.00

00:23:14.160 Like, you know, if this is something that is like literally threatens, you know, the 1.00

00:23:17.880 destruction of the Republic and it has, you know, profoundly negative consequences for

00:23:21.220 the country, you have to do something about it.

00:23:24.060 And look, look, I understand this is a tricky issue for constitutional jurisprudence, right?

00:23:30.680 and you have people all the time that say well you know that when they wrote the first amendment

00:23:34.580 they didn't have social media in mind and it's so much you know worse or whatever um you know and

00:23:39.880 to some extent like i'm a radically pro second amendment guy but at the same time like i just

00:23:45.560 accept that machine guns are outlawed because if you look what happened the early 1930s with john

00:23:49.960 dillinger and pretty boy floyd and you know bonnie and clyde and like all these interstate bank

00:23:54.660 robbers using tommy guns all at once you can see where the public freaked out and said the second

00:23:59.020 Amendment was not intended for this, whether or not you think that's the right cultural or legal

00:24:03.760 attitude at all. But people looked at this, and they said, we want a certain practical outcome.

00:24:08.900 Well, look, we've got to have a certain practical outcome here that is good for the preservation of,

00:24:14.960 you know, this country and the preservation of liberty. And I think in this case, it's not a,

00:24:20.200 you know, a tricky question of, you know, whether or not the Second Amendment, you know,

00:24:23.200 prohibited machine guns or, you know, the actual legal question here is much clearer in terms of

00:24:32.640 the text and history. You know, it's not just a question of like new technology or something like

00:24:38.260 this. I mean, I think that this is something that, you know, as a practical matter, we can find

00:24:43.220 agreement on. Yeah, I mean, this, you know, obviously, Thomas and Alito are amazing. You

00:24:49.920 know i've i've i've been regularly you know declaring that we should clone clarence thomas

00:24:54.560 or you know put him on the the the golden throne and maintain him you know in perpetuity uh to to

00:25:01.400 ensure that he can rule over the united states and protect the republic like obviously these guys are

00:25:05.740 amazing my worry is that it's the people behind them you know ironically the people who should

00:25:10.900 have what should be more conservative attitudes that seem to not get it i mean it's hard to look

00:25:16.540 at originalism seriously when you say that the 14th amendment allows for chinese birth tourism

00:25:22.960 you know we're in a scenario where the current interpretation of the first amendment means that 0.62

00:25:28.060 i have to allow someone to build a giant you know hindu demon god or you know build their own muslim

00:25:33.580 city in the middle of texas when in reality if you look at the first amendment up until like 1840 0.86

00:25:40.560 we were banning catholics from holding public office so the idea that the founders originally 0.96

00:25:45.920 admit that, yeah, you should just let anyone of any religion completely dominate the public square 0.99

00:25:52.140 is ridiculous. It's in no way original. But that's what most originalists would hold today. And the 0.55

00:25:57.520 same thing is to be true of birthright citizenship. It seems like originalism is whatever you heard

00:26:01.620 on NPR on the way over to the courthouse more than it is the actual original position of the

00:26:07.840 people who wrote these documents. Well, it's not even that. I mean, you're seeing all these things

00:26:11.780 being used as a wedge right you know they are using you know the freedom that you give them

00:26:18.120 to amass power so that they can you know eliminate freedom i mean that's really what's you know 0.93

00:26:23.280 going on here does anybody think a majority muslim society in the united states or even 0.92

00:26:28.460 majority muslim towns that we're seeing in michigan here are going to be pro-freedom pro-religious

00:26:33.460 freedom pro-tolerance it's not going to happen so again like i said it's you know originalism

00:26:39.160 is the goal originalism is a good thing original is a good framework but at the end of the day you

00:26:44.640 have to ask yourself like is there a practical outcome here that we we we need to move toward

00:26:50.580 in order to preserve you know you know basic you know you know a basic orderly society you know

00:26:58.140 based on certain values that will you know preserve liberty for the next generation and beyond

00:27:02.520 and and that's the that's the problem that that's where we're at right now people are not able to

00:27:07.760 think in those terms i mean part of the issue here though is also just to be honest um clarence

00:27:14.300 thomas and and again i don't know i'm partial to alito but like alito these these men are not just

00:27:21.240 it's not just that they issue good rulings and these men are absolutely brilliant i mean they're

00:27:26.220 able to see things in second third fourth order consequences i mean one of the things about

00:27:30.660 clarence thomas is that you know he stakes out oftentimes maximal positions in in dissents and

00:27:36.880 things like that. But they're so well laid out that down the line, people end up just following

00:27:42.340 his trail of logic or whatever. And, you know, he achieves victories that way. I mean, you look at

00:27:47.140 how Sam Alito conducts himself in oral questioning. I mean, he's just the number of times that he is

00:27:51.980 just completely blown up an entire case just by asking a basic question at the right moment in

00:27:59.140 the right context. I mean, it's just like, I mean, this is, you know, these are men that do not come 0.99

00:28:04.440 along uh very often and we need to pay attention to them so i'm not eager to replace them on the

00:28:09.880 court even though they're very old and i'm you know i'm looking at the actuarial tables for

00:28:13.620 black men and clarence thomas's age and i'm certainly worried about what might happen but

00:28:18.480 at the same time then you know i don't know what to say unlike say ruth bader ginsburg

00:28:22.580 um who destroyed democrats uh hopes for you know getting control of the court by staying on

00:28:28.180 um you know i'm sorry i think feel like clarence thomas to some extent has earned that right

00:28:33.180 But, you know, we need to be demanding more of basically everyone in public life.

00:28:38.620 And, you know, if you want to know what we demand at that level, well, it should be Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, who are probably the single two best, you know, in terms of integrity.

00:28:50.560 I don't, you know, by the way, you know how there's a quote unquote ethics scandal everyone's always throwing in their faces.

00:28:56.860 ProPublica, which is an awful, awful liberal news organization, they say in their financial disclosures, I believe they got $54 million just to dig up dirt on conservative Supreme Court justices.

00:29:08.920 It's like in their tax filings.

00:29:12.200 We need to defend these men and we need to uphold them as an example for generations to come.

00:29:18.680 we also need billionaires who will put 54 bill or 54 million dollars into you know going after

00:29:26.100 a supreme court justice i mean i'll just be frank the democrats are playing an entirely

00:29:30.440 different game man like it's not even close every conservative donor is like well if i give you a

00:29:35.080 hundred thousand dollars i need to see these 15 things done by the end of the month democrats are

00:29:39.680 just like yeah so i gave a couple billion dollars to whoever and uh they'll just do whatever they

00:29:43.860 need to do with it uh it it's absolutely absurd the you know the the uh it where there's no parody

00:29:50.120 here it it's not even close yeah well so my concern is this um i am famously not a huge fan of

00:29:58.420 democracy um however if we're going to hold this thing together people have to have at least some

00:30:04.660 belief that legit that elections are legitimate now we've already had the fact that basically

00:30:10.240 every election of my lifetime has been called illegitimate by the opposing party the idea that

00:30:15.840 you just peacefully transfer power to someone else is increasingly something under dispute

00:30:21.440 but when we have a scenario where it's more or less a free-for-all on balloting and when

00:30:28.640 foreign populations are allowed to come in and you know completely transform the you know the

00:30:34.640 the voter dynamic at every generation a question quickly becomes how long will people look at 0.97

00:30:41.620 elections as a legitimate mechanism for transferring power inside the united states i mean

00:30:47.620 i i really do worry about this i know that this is doomer or whatever but i don't think it's any

00:30:53.540 level of hyperbole to say that we're increasingly reaching a point where uh you know no side will

00:31:00.840 ever view each other's elections as legitimate ever again and increasingly at least on the

00:31:06.160 conservative side you'll be able to see the raw mechanism by which those elections are being

00:31:10.620 stolen and what do you do in a moment like that like i you know obviously there's no easy answer

00:31:16.580 to that but it just feels like that is a path we are moving down far more quickly than i'm

00:31:21.180 comfortable with and very few people seem to be taking it very seriously you know that's a really

00:31:26.800 a good question and i don't have a very good answer for it um the issue is you know primarily

00:31:32.800 one i think that most affects presidential elections and like that's that's a huge problem

00:31:37.700 what i what i can say however is that you know increasingly we're seeing a massive divide between

00:31:44.440 red and blue states in terms of like functional governance um i mean like this is just you know

00:31:49.920 it's massive and and unavoidable um you know i i'm from oregon and uh if you look at what

00:31:56.600 has happened to oregon in the span of you know you know 25 30 years um to being run by you know

00:32:02.960 rockefeller libertarian republicans to now wild radical progressives um you know i mean i

00:32:11.420 and i've written about this extensively um the amount of governmental dysfunction in just

00:32:17.080 And again, a state of four million people, it shouldn't be that hard to govern. It's just off the charts.

00:32:22.460 You know, the progressives in control of the state right now are frankly flailing.

00:32:27.120 I don't think they're necessarily in any danger of losing a statewide election, but it's closer than you might imagine.

00:32:32.900 There was a huge earthquake recently in the state when the progressive governor called a special legislative session after she failed with Democratic super majorities in both houses to pass the largest state tax increase in history.

00:32:51.180 And then she ended up strong arming the legislature into passing it by one vote in each house.

00:32:58.300 and then immediately in a state of four million people they got something like 400,000 signatures

00:33:03.740 like in the span of six weeks to get it on the ballot to overturn this tax increase like

00:33:08.720 you're starting to you're going to start to see I think some kind of rebellions around the margins

00:33:13.800 you know even Spencer Pratt failing miserably in LA I mean like I think that's been a wake-up call

00:33:19.160 for a lot of people and you know a lot of Californians and that dysfunction and that

00:33:23.880 contrast between, you know, say, what goes on in, you know, Idaho or Tennessee is going to be

00:33:29.020 increasingly obvious. And I hope that will point the way toward, you know, some kind of reform or

00:33:35.580 some kind of, you know, waking up, but I'm not super optimistic about, say, California reforming

00:33:41.620 itself anytime soon. But it's also true that you can only put off the consequences of that level

00:33:47.260 of, you know, terrible governance for so long. I mean, Mom Donnie's out there right now bragging

00:33:53.500 about how new york just passed 125 billion dollar quote-unquote balanced budget a budget only

00:33:59.960 balanced by getting several billion dollars from the state to bail them out in the immediate term

00:34:04.320 and deferring massive amounts of pension payments i mean like this is like the rubber's going to hit

00:34:10.160 the road here in a very big way look what's going on in illinois and connecticut with pensions and

00:34:13.920 things i mean it's just everywhere you look under blue state governance it's just an absolute

00:34:20.580 disaster. And I think people are going to wake up to the contrast of these things. I mean,

00:34:26.840 this was the subtext of Ezra Klein's abundance book, right? You know, the whole thing was

00:34:31.940 Democrats cannot govern. They cannot build anything. And Democrats, in order to stay

00:34:36.280 viable as a party, have to demonstrate that they can do that. Democrats have instead chosen a

00:34:41.060 different route. Like they are, they're going to go full socialism and they're hoping to take over

00:34:45.960 the country as a whole with socialism to make it so that you can't escape California for Tennessee

00:34:50.460 or Idaho, because it's just all going to be bad everywhere. And, uh, you know, it's going to be

00:34:55.080 a race to see whether they can do that or not. I I'm not confident they'll be able to pull that

00:34:59.060 off. Um, and if they do try and pull it off, there will be something more drastic. Uh, I don't want

00:35:04.900 to, you know, even speculate about the, you know, the crack of the United States or whatever, but

00:35:08.780 like it, it, it could get that bad if, if they continue going down the path that they're going 0.99

00:35:13.640 because they are that inept. Well, I certainly agree that the contrast between how red states 0.92

00:35:20.140 are being run as opposed to blue states should be sending signals to people. That should be

00:35:26.500 too much when you look at the degradation of so many of these blue states that should have

00:35:32.600 every advantage and yet somehow are still falling apart, are still falling behind the standards of

00:35:38.360 living, everything else, just basic functions of municipalities and counties and these things

00:35:43.440 are completely collapsing. And so I would hope, as you say, that this wakes people up. But the

00:35:49.500 problem seems to be that instead they just go Zora Mamdani. They just go with with someone like 0.75

00:35:55.720 that. And at some level, yeah, I would agree that they probably couldn't take over the entire United

00:36:02.120 States with socialism. But what they can do is bring a lot of people who are very, very comfortable

00:36:07.660 with third world socialist government into the United States and ensure that they're the ones 0.96

00:36:13.040 that are ultimately deciding these elections i mean you'll have people flee from these blue

00:36:17.340 states and yeah they i mean i live in florida we got a little better because of covid but for a

00:36:23.060 very long time we were a purple state trending blue because people would flee you know new jersey

00:36:29.460 and new york and they'd come down here and vote for exactly what they got up there the fact that

00:36:33.900 they fleed didn't in any way change their political beliefs or you know they just came down and said

00:36:39.160 hey, why don't you guys have higher teacher pay and unions like we have up north? This is

00:36:43.920 ridiculous. We should change that. And so that was the attitude that the vast majority of people 0.61

00:36:48.720 coming in the state had. Now, when they came with COVID, it was people who were specifically fleeing

00:36:52.980 the madness from COVID. And that kind of set the state back to red. So hopefully that's the trend.

00:36:58.940 It's no longer just people fleeing the economic conditions, but it's people who are actually

00:37:02.820 seeking that ideological shift in governance. But I do worry that that's ultimately what we're

00:37:07.940 just going to see is blue state migration to turn red states purple and blue states just well they

00:37:13.300 become red in the communist sense well yeah i don't know again i'm from oregon and obviously

00:37:19.460 a huge amount of oregon's problems are the results of uh demographic shifts that came from out of

00:37:23.440 state migration a bunch of californians moved to my hometown my hometown in oregon was 18 000 people

00:37:28.120 in the 80s when i moved there it's now over 100 huge amount of you know californians that wanted

00:37:33.000 to live in a beautiful mountain town you know we're there now and it's obviously changed the

00:37:36.640 politics for the worse. However, I do think that, you know, again, we're in a whole new situation

00:37:42.040 here, you know, than we were 15 years ago. You know, when I was, you know, 30 years ago,

00:37:46.900 Californians moving into Oregon, or Californians moving to Colorado, or whatever it was,

00:37:50.920 it was just a matter of sort of boiling the frog. Whereas now, if you, you know, talk to anybody

00:37:55.200 that lives in Texas, you talk to anyone who lives in Tennessee, the people that are there that are

00:37:59.300 very, you know, very, you know, conscientious of this, and changing the culture and changing the

00:38:05.220 politics or whatever and like they're sort of monitoring this closely in a way that they weren't

00:38:09.620 like if you listen to matthew mcconaughey's you know um joe rogan interview like matthew mcconaughey

00:38:15.680 was nobody's idea of a conservative but he is you know a native texan actually talks about this he's

00:38:20.360 like i tell californians you cannot come to texas and you know pretend that this is california you

00:38:26.440 know like this you know we do things a certain way here and we we call it you know texas and

00:38:30.460 you know whatever is a particular culture my parents have a friend who is a member of the

00:38:34.300 idaho state legislature and i don't even know the constitutionality of this or whatever and i don't

00:38:38.620 think it's passed but for several years now he's passed he's been trying to pass a law in idaho

00:38:42.520 that says um if you move there from out of state you have to live in the state for five years

00:38:48.340 before you can vote in state and local elections oh yeah absolutely i mean so i think people are

00:38:54.340 really thinking about this in a way that they weren't before and it's going to make it a lot

00:38:57.880 harder to do this um and uh you know i i i don't know but uh you know again though part of the

00:39:06.240 problem is it's not just that i think that people are um more accepting of socialism or this or that

00:39:13.780 part of the problem is is that um we need to attack all kinds of other institutions i mean

00:39:18.920 part of what's going on with the legal stuff that we've been talking about you know again

00:39:23.780 read katanji brown jackson's you know opinions and dissents or whatever the problem here is not 1.00

00:39:30.260 just that she's pushing a radical agenda the problem is that she is actually stupid i mean 1.00

00:39:35.780 she is she does not deserve to be on the court um she is not intelligent she clearly has been you 1.00

00:39:43.860 know afforded all kinds of unnecessary grace throughout her life in terms of you know being

00:39:49.260 qualified to do things i mean and um i worry that that is just emblematic of where sort of the voting

00:39:56.620 public is in terms of like their capacity to even understand supreme court arguments or whatever

00:40:02.140 like how much of the general public is even able to read clarence thomas's dissent and you know

00:40:07.740 parse why you know read 91 pages of that and parse why it's you know any good i mean you're a former

00:40:13.980 public school teacher you probably know how dire it is as you know much as anyone and so I do think

00:40:21.360 that we have to combat all kinds of you know institutions here it's not just you know saving

00:40:26.840 the conservative legal movement everything has a lot to do with you know fighting academia and

00:40:31.380 establishing maybe even new law schools or whatever we need to do but it's it's really is

00:40:37.440 part of the the thing here is it's it's on one hand you know it's depressing because it's such

00:40:43.260 a multi-pronged fight but you know on the other hand it's like that famous quote from chesty

00:40:47.620 polar and korea when he's told that like his men are outnumbered 10 to 1 and he's like great then

00:40:52.300 you know we can fire in any direction you know um you know and the thing is is i also think that we 0.52

00:40:58.560 are also reaching a situation here where it is in the land of the blind the one-eyed men will be

00:41:02.640 kings i mean again so many areas of the country anymore are like so dysfunctional that it's going

00:41:08.920 to be, uh, easy enough to sort of, you know, mount a challenge, you know, um, it's going to be easy

00:41:16.100 to easier to mount a challenge than, than you anticipate. I mean, part of what's going on here

00:41:19.660 with the democratic socialists doing so well is that, you know, democratic urban machines have

00:41:25.180 become so, um, lethargic and dysfunctional that all it takes is a highly motivated, motivated

00:41:30.320 minority to go in and waltz away with a primary election. Um, and I think that, you know, again,

00:41:36.680 there's you know we i think we need to start contesting things a lot more than we have in

00:41:43.040 urban areas you know i think spencer pratt was a massive wake-up call on that particular issue

00:41:48.540 like we can actually make real headway here actually and even in a place like la if we just

00:41:53.960 go in and you know and you know really fight for it but the problem is and the problem the

00:41:59.180 conservative movement has been for a long time is you know not a lot of people are willing to

00:42:03.940 fight for it the way that Democrats are. I mean, like that DSA woman who just won the congressional

00:42:09.180 primary, what's her, Chevalier or whatever. I mean, she was a college student for the last

00:42:13.700 seven years. I mean, you know, conservatives have actual jobs, you know, families to raise

00:42:20.380 or whatever. It's hard to fight against that. But I think that we're going to have to find the will

00:42:25.400 and energy or whatever to go into areas where people, where things aren't, haven't been

00:42:29.040 previously contested and start contesting them yeah i mean look i've been listening to talk radio

00:42:35.980 uh since i was like seven you know uh i i love the line that democrats don't have jobs as much

00:42:43.260 as anybody and it's of course true it's of course true but at some point we have to realize well if

00:42:48.060 the revolutionaries without jobs are winning then we need to either look at the system or we have to

00:42:53.480 look at you know our approach to it yeah you're in the belly of the beast right now uh you you

00:42:58.660 interact with people in washington all the time is there an understanding that republicans have

00:43:03.740 to get more serious about this stuff that they're you know we are looking at an existential crisis i

00:43:08.500 mean so much of this is frankly uh you know to to just be real honest about funding again as we

00:43:15.140 talked about with democrats you know you can sit around as a democratic activist for years doing

00:43:21.020 nothing because you'll get paid you'll clear a check you know you'll continue to be able to pay

00:43:26.560 rent and have food that's not available for republicans i have a whole slew mark of like

00:43:32.260 really intelligent incredibly capable very fired up you know right-wing guys who are ready to go

00:43:38.700 into the trenches and get things done i cannot get them through the door i cannot get them through

00:43:42.920 the door at any institution i cannot get them you know some kind of sinecure it is impossible

00:43:48.920 to even get conservative organizations to hire right-wing men i do not know how to solve this

00:43:55.340 problem so to be clear here that there's two issues here in dc one is broader institutional

00:44:02.720 dc and the other is congress frankly and in that regard um you need to separate them out broader

00:44:09.920 institutional dc has gotten way more based as the kids say um and the younger people that i encounter

00:44:16.660 like if i encounter conservatives under 30 in this town it's like whoa you're to the right of

00:44:22.620 Genghis Khan. And that's, you know, considering what we have to face and what we're dealing with,

00:44:27.600 I don't mean that as an insult. And the think tanks themselves, one, there's a lot of great

00:44:34.140 new institutions in terms of, you know, think tanks and stuff that are great, that, you know,

00:44:39.800 have sprung up in the Trump era, you know, sort of Partnership Institute, you know, Russ Votes

00:44:44.720 Organization, other things that are just great in terms of being much more conservative and much

00:44:51.300 more attuned to quote unquote, what time it is. Um, and, and that's all happening. It's very well

00:44:56.580 at the same time, the heritage foundation, which, you know, has like a $3 billion endowment. Um,

00:45:01.720 and, uh, um, you know, for the longest time was frankly kind of useless, um, has really made a

00:45:09.360 turn in the last few years. I know Kevin Roberts got all kinds of flack for the, the, the, the,

00:45:15.060 the defense of Tucker Carlson, et cetera, among institutional conservatives. But the reality is

00:45:21.700 that the Heritage Foundation, which has among the most assets and firepower of any big think tank

00:45:28.520 in town, has really become a lot more aligned with true conservative voters in a way that is

00:45:34.740 encouraging. So that's all great. The second issue is Congress. And I do not know even where

00:45:41.680 to begin to tell you with that uh republicans in congress particularly republican senators 0.99

00:45:46.740 are the most useless human beings on the face of the earth like there's always a handful of good 0.99

00:45:52.480 ones don't get me wrong that are actually out there fighting the good fight or whatever and 0.99

00:45:56.300 frankly those guys get belittled by their colleagues you know 90 of the time you know for

00:46:02.140 you know actually trying to affect change we love our eric schmidt don't we folks yeah we love eric

00:46:07.420 Schmidt you know Mike Lee you know he's out there you know trying to well saying hey well what if we

00:46:13.240 do this and he's constantly getting mocked for I mean it's just it's insane um and never mind if

00:46:19.220 you look at what's happening like we have all of these like incredible priorities like the save

00:46:23.060 act debate is just the consummate example of this I mean like I literally have spittle on my

00:46:29.000 microphone right now like it is it is not that hard you are not going to face a major political

00:46:34.520 blowback for passing the freaking save act it will not happen you know and frankly you do not need

00:46:40.840 you know to destroy the filibuster to do it like they refuse to take any of the talking filibuster

00:46:44.960 arguments seriously which are well established um never mind it is like vitally important to the

00:46:50.900 future of the party and the future of this country that we do something about collections um and they

00:46:55.900 they won't won't do anything about it and well let's let's drill down on that for just a second

00:47:00.620 because this one really fires me up as it obviously very much fires you up and in from

00:47:06.420 the outside you know i am but a humble school teacher okay i have not spent years in dc i i

00:47:12.580 get up there once or twice a year yeah that's about all i know about dc we're looking at a

00:47:18.280 scenario where obviously the save act benefits republicans if you're just looking from a raw

00:47:24.360 self-interest forget about principle forget about anything else just what is good for me as a guy

00:47:30.320 who wants to stay employed in republican politics passing the save act is the biggest no-brainer

00:47:36.020 in history right so how is it that a gop senate who would purely benefit from this bill

00:47:44.560 in theory will not vote for it in practice is it is it really that they are just they hate

00:47:51.700 america like do they or or is it really a uniparty issue do they see themselves more as part of a

00:47:58.600 ruling elite who would benefit from the status quo than they would from any shift in it like what

00:48:04.140 is happening here it's it's a uniparty elite issue with a twist here which is to say that

00:48:09.420 several republican senators and some have actually become quite open about it you know now that uh

00:48:14.840 you know tillis in north carolina whatever's not running for re-election or whatever

00:48:18.180 they want to spite trump they actively want to spite him like they do not care that a majority

00:48:23.920 of the american people voted for him they do not care that he has far more allegiance um than

00:48:28.680 frankly most of the people that voted for them even um it's just that um they don't want to

00:48:36.560 rock the boat and they especially want to stick it to trump um and it's and you know a lot of them

00:48:42.400 would never admit it um because that would be bad for their re-election chances but you know

00:48:47.020 privately that's what they're doing and you know it helps that you've got guys like tom tillis out

00:48:51.840 there um you know just talk openly talking crap about trump um or now john cornyn now that he

00:48:59.020 lost his primary after the the you know republican party spent how many tens of millions of dollars 0.93

00:49:04.000 that would have been better deployed um you know um elsewhere trying to defend his you know

00:49:09.920 ridiculous incumbency um remember john cornyn was a sponsor of the save act for crying out loud

00:49:15.680 and he's out there every day saying oh no we can't we can't pass it now it's just pure spite 0.63

00:49:21.200 that's pure spite he was never serious about sponsoring it to begin with he just thought 0.94

00:49:25.760 that sponsoring would help him you know win his primary and when it didn't yeah screw you

00:49:30.960 i mean that's really what's going on so we have this scenario where for better or for worse we're

00:49:38.740 stuck with this ruling um people have made you know some hint towards some statutory relief i

00:49:46.540 can't imagine if you can pass the save act that you're gonna get anything like that passed you're

00:49:50.880 certainly not going to pass constitutional amendment these kind of things as much as i

00:49:54.720 would love to see that so my only real immediate recourse that i can see along with you know the

00:50:01.140 trump administration has already talked about you know cracking down on birth tourism and the most

00:50:06.000 egregious parts of this and that's good that's important don't get me wrong uh but obviously at

00:50:11.180 scale this is not a solution um i think the most important thing going forward has to be 0.93

00:50:17.160 quadrupling down on mass deportations you can't have a birthright citizenship if you're not being

00:50:22.680 born here and so i i think that you know i i'm sure the time in iran has been a blast i know

00:50:28.980 that marco rubio really wants to take revenge on cuba but i would be you know just overjoyed if

00:50:35.480 the trump administration said actually removing the people who are here illegally is our first

00:50:40.780 priority and that will be the only thing we message on and the only thing we expend energy on

00:50:45.780 until the job is done and that is seems to be the only path forward to solving in this in the short

00:50:51.700 term what's your thought i don't think it's the only path forward in the short term i mean

00:50:55.680 uh i would say that and actually eric schmidt has already proposed legislation to this extent

00:51:00.220 to whatever if you look at the kavanaugh concurrence slash dissent whatever the hell it was

00:51:05.260 um um he you know he he he he did basically what i his opinion is basically what i thought they

00:51:12.820 were going to do in terms of like splitting the baby in two basically where you know cabinet

00:51:17.360 points the way toward a congressional remedy i don't you know schmidt has a piece of legislation

00:51:23.540 that would have changed the that would specific where congress would specifically define i forget

00:51:29.540 what the the actual language is like the 14th amendment or you know jurisdiction thereof oh

00:51:34.740 yeah under the jurisdiction thereof yeah yeah to mean something you know very specific or whatever

00:51:39.840 and then send that up back up to the courts i mean i think there's a chance that could succeed

00:51:44.560 um i mean look i mean the mass deportation question isn't just because of the birthright

00:51:49.920 citizenship ruling i mean that's for you know a million different reasons um oh yeah um you know

00:51:57.200 though certainly the birth you know the birthright citizenship was an issue with that you know

00:52:01.680 a year year ago it was an issue 10 years ago with that so we did we do need to focus on that for all

00:52:07.520 kinds of reasons um but we should be taking an all of the above approach um in terms of you know

00:52:13.240 what what goes on there um you know bernie moreno is going to reintroduce uh people forget this but

00:52:18.820 harry reid introduced legislation to ban birthright citizenship um and uh um 30 years ago bernie

00:52:26.880 moreno is gonna you know try and get people on record about that i mean we just need to like keep

00:52:30.740 it in the debate and i and i think it's generally a winning issue do i think it's the issue

00:52:35.840 unfortunately right now, partly because the Iran war, I already mentioned affordability is a huge

00:52:40.860 thing. Um, and it's also frustrating because the affordability issue was again, you know,

00:52:45.240 a Biden issue that we've been saddled with. I mean, like, you know, you can complain about

00:52:49.200 a Trump hasn't done enough, but, and, and, you know, maybe that's even fair, but the reality

00:52:54.360 is, is like groceries went up like 20% in six months and haven't come back down. And that was

00:52:58.740 all because Joe Biden passed a law that a bunch of liberal economists said was, you know, going

00:53:04.580 to cause inflation, you know, in terms of, you know, that massive stimulus thing that they did.

00:53:09.220 So unfortunately, we're fighting on a whole bunch of different, you know, fronts at this point in

00:53:14.480 time. I think the electoral landscape isn't as bad for the midterms as it should be for Republicans,

00:53:21.200 which is, I don't know whether that's fortunate or unfortunate, whether it would be lighting more

00:53:25.260 of a fire under them. But it looks like, you know, we, one of the things I would say is we,

00:53:30.180 We, even though the socialism issue in the Democrats is becoming a massive problem, I don't think we should necessarily despair about that.

00:53:37.660 You know, winning a socialist, winning a primary in urban areas is a cause for concern.

00:53:42.920 But we don't we haven't seen how this is played out in the broader electorate yet.

00:53:46.300 Like you look at what's going on right now, like in the latest Fox poll, Graham Plattner is losing to Susan Collins, who already has a history of repeatedly outperforming her polls by like really large margins.

00:53:58.740 I think she outperformed her polling average by like six or eight points in 2020 when she ran.

00:54:05.260 And Brown Plattner is only up one or two in the latest New York Times poll. 0.77

00:54:11.140 It looks like Democrats are going to do something absolutely insane and nominate an Islamist in Michigan, probably lose that. 0.70

00:54:19.020 You know, we have to see how the socialist thing plays out on the national level, and it could be very bad for them still. 0.78

00:54:24.200 I mean, at the same time, we also have to be very vigilant in terms of, you know, Axios has a story out this morning about how Republicans are reigniting the Red Scare.

00:54:33.760 And it's like, well, yeah.

00:54:35.700 Also, we were right about it the first time.

00:54:38.460 That's right.

00:54:40.180 No, look, the good news is that no matter how unpopular Republicans get, the only thing less popular is Democrats.

00:54:49.780 I don't know how they managed to do that, but consistently over and over again, they seem to be doing even worse. And, you know, the affordability issue is one that's just difficult because that's a function of our entire economy. You know, we've designed our entire economy on cheap money and overprinting, and that's just never going away.

00:55:08.460 No one, democracy is not going to allow anyone to course correct that. So, you know, is it Trump's fault? Is it Biden's fault? It's everybody's fault. And we're all, you know, we're all on board for this. And, you know, the good news is that deportations, mass deportations would have an impact on affordability. Your housing prices are going to go down.

00:55:28.600 You're not going to have your, you know, your schools and your health care facilities as overrun, though, obviously, we'll have other economic impacts. So, you know, that that's a two sided issue as well. But I just think that, you know, while it's true that the economy matters, I don't know that there's anything long term anyone is really going to be able to do to fix that people are just going to keep voting for the guy who gives them free stuff at the end of the day.

00:55:53.660 well that's a concern um for sure but you um i don't know i think you also hit on a little

00:55:58.620 something there which is you know again you know part of the reason why democratic socialists or

00:56:02.600 whatever are winning these primaries or whatever um are because they're out there organizing um

00:56:08.160 you know and no one else is doing it and so i would encourage everyone here listening to this

00:56:12.740 you know ask yourself what the heck are you doing you know believe it or not just doing stuff in

00:56:18.020 your own community has large ripple effects um and uh democrat socialists were ignored because 0.98

00:56:24.480 oh they're so obviously crazy you know who's going to vote for a person that says we deserve

00:56:28.720 9-11 well here we are so you know it just goes to show you that you know knocking on doors and

00:56:34.080 talking to people does matter so you know if you were thinking about running for school board or

00:56:37.500 you're thinking about you know just you know helping you know you pass out flyers you know

00:56:42.360 at the county fair or whatever for the local republicans or whatever like believe it or not

00:56:45.720 that kind of stuff does matter and does make a big impact well i just came back from a conference

00:56:50.520 with the organization i'm a part of the old glory club and there were several stories of local

00:56:55.700 politicians you know county commissioners uh these kind of things who won the races entirely

00:57:00.940 because you know these guys went and knocked on 500 or a thousand doors and they won by 300 votes

00:57:06.700 you know like this is stuff that seems like small ball you're everyone's looking for someone to come

00:57:12.280 save them everybody wants someone to get into the presidency and sweep in and solve all the

00:57:16.860 problems but the the long and short of it guys is no one's coming to save you and you know whether

00:57:21.880 you think that ultimately you're going to be able to change the culture of your entire country the

00:57:26.900 one thing you can always do is fight for these positions at county city levels you can you know

00:57:32.240 controlling your county sheriff will have a larger impact on your life than pretty much any other race

00:57:38.080 you're talking about nationally in most scenarios so get out there and do that stuff get involved

00:57:43.180 find the kind of organizations like the ogc or others that are going to push the type of candidates

00:57:47.680 that you want you know know these people in person make sure that you're valuable to them and you have

00:57:52.440 something to say for them that you have uh you know you're in their ear like these things do

00:57:56.820 matter at the end of the day yeah that's exactly right i mean i've been doing this for almost 30

00:58:00.920 years and i got news for you i frequently do not enjoy it anymore like it's a lot i mean you know

00:58:08.200 there's been so much going on and it's so crazy but you know at the same time you know why am i

00:58:12.440 doing it well you know i got kids um you know i do my wife and i turn to each other at some point

00:58:17.700 i remember a few years back and just looked at each other and all the stuff was going on the

00:58:20.380 country and it's like cavalry is not coming we are the cavalry you know if you're not putting

00:58:24.400 yourself out there i mean like i understand it's very important there's a lot of people out there

00:58:28.320 vocationally, like if you're a good plumber, be a good plumber, you know, to your fellow citizens

00:58:32.540 and do that. But if you can be a good plumber and you can also, you know, help organize in

00:58:38.720 local elections to make sure that your kid can be a good plumber that's, you know, free from

00:58:43.000 political interference and excessive taxation and everything else in his life, then go ahead and do

00:58:47.820 that too. Yeah, absolutely. Nope. Guys, we're going to go ahead and head to the questions of

00:58:55.820 the people but before we do uh mark where should people look for your work uh i write for real

00:59:02.620 clear investigations uh slash real clear politics real clear politics.com real clear investigations.com

00:59:07.880 i also uh work for the federalist thefederalist.com and you can find me on x at heminator h-e-m-i-n-a-t-o-r

00:59:17.480 excellent all right let's go to the questions cherry coke nixon says libs will cosplay as

00:59:24.000 the handmaid's tale because we oppose family family drag while scotus guarantees our future

00:59:29.260 is actually the turner diaries well let's uh let's hope that's not the direction everything

00:59:34.920 goes but yeah man it's uh it's ridiculous to be sure michael robertson says uh bright side we can

00:59:43.560 now solve the energy crisis by explain explaining to the boomers that the constitution officially

00:59:48.700 demands the end of the country then capture the steam coming out of their brains uh you know i 0.79

00:59:55.300 am trying to walk a line with this but you know i i think that mark said it best here like

01:00:00.820 the constitution is important it's a serious document it is our heritage and we should take

01:00:05.740 it very seriously but it's it's not a suicide pact it was it we you know the constitution was

01:00:11.640 made for america americans were not made for the constitution uh at the end of the day it has to

01:00:16.220 the survival of americans and our way of life that takes priority right and more specifically we do 0.72

01:00:21.180 very much have a boomer problem in this country that we do have to address i mean the states are 0.98

01:00:26.860 talking about giving property tax relief to elderly people i mean never mind the elderly 0.95

01:00:30.620 people like own all the damn property like it's it's it's really insane we need to refocus our 0.72

01:00:35.740 politics not on the quote-unquote largest generation and just because they have our large voting block 0.98

01:00:40.620 we need to focus on family formation and affordability and all these other issues for

01:00:44.220 you know the upcoming generations so that they don't hate the republican party they don't hate

01:00:48.620 conservatives or whatever and we can have a country in the future yeah i heard someone say

01:00:54.140 something to the effect of uh boomers love arguing about free markets while they receive their own

01:00:59.900 version of socialism uh and uh that unfortunately seems to i don't i don't know how many boomers

01:01:06.300 need to hear this but your social security is not the money you put into the system getting far more

01:01:12.220 money than you put in like and we're about to run out of money like their entitlement reform and

01:01:17.500 other stuff is something that we're going to probably have to deal with um among other things

01:01:21.900 but yeah um yeah it's a problem i think the country will explode before anyone runs on getting rid of

01:01:28.460 social security i mean like i legitimately think that's true i hate to say it but people forget

01:01:32.940 this when when mike huckabee ran for president was it 2008 i think the first time he like radically

01:01:39.260 broke with the party and said oh we're never going to cut social security and medicare but he was

01:01:42.520 just prescient and you know trump did the same thing like you cannot get elected in this country

01:01:46.580 um you know on entitlement reform i'm you know uh mitt romney and uh paul ryan came close i mean

01:01:52.840 they made a very passionate argument and they made some headway in the polls on it but the reality

01:01:57.520 was is obama ran those ads shoving grandma off the cliff in a wheelchair literally and you know

01:02:03.720 it's it's political kryptonite unfortunately you know the problem is us in a democracy

01:02:08.800 well as i say you can uh vote your way into socialism but uh you can't vote your way out

01:02:15.380 of it here as latrina reminds us uh as much as that would be nice it does seem to be a

01:02:21.200 very difficult issue to overcome uh cherry coke nixon says a wild watching national review type

01:02:27.340 sent for the uh barbara ruling logic defies originalism by applying modern meaning to 19th

01:02:34.760 century phrases concepts federalists greater than nr i mean look you're a former nr writer

01:02:40.680 i don't want to beat up on the publication too much but it is it is amazing to watch almost to

01:02:46.840 a man the you know that crew is it just they hate trump or do they they really not see it

01:02:51.820 I look, there's a lot of good people at NR, for sure. You know, and then there's a lot of people there that publish things that I disagree with. And they would just argue that they're kind of a big tent publication. And, you know, that's fair. I understand that. You know, and again, I think there should be a diversity of opinions out there.

01:03:10.540 the problem i just think is is that to the extent where certain conservatives and again this is not

01:03:15.820 an nr specific problem and so again i don't want to beat up on nr um you know differ from where the

01:03:22.220 conservative base is on these things in ways that are less conservative or more to the left um uh

01:03:30.140 that is uh it's just it's just not representative of where again the base is and it's fine if you

01:03:37.740 you want to publish those public publish those uh opinions um there just isn't that much of a

01:03:43.440 constituency for them uh anymore on some of this stuff and there's the other issue and i and look

01:03:49.800 i've tried to gingerly handle this i wrote a piece recently about um phyllis schlafly and how nr

01:03:55.860 handled a particular debate involving her um and i've tried to be gentle about this part of the

01:04:00.780 problem is is that nr in particular part of the their mythology is that remember uh william f

01:04:06.680 Buckley was the guy that kicked out the Birchers and, you know, and there's this issue and whether

01:04:13.100 it's fair to the current version of NR or not, and, you know, might be very unfair in certain

01:04:17.760 ways, that these conservative institutions are preserved as gatekeepers of, you know, what is

01:04:22.480 acceptable thought among the base. And clearly there are issues where they've been very bad on

01:04:29.680 this. Now, having said that, one issue that NR has consistently been great on editorially for

01:04:35.320 decades and decades is immigration. Um, and R has frequently published many pieces, um, where they

01:04:42.720 have just basically lambasted the wall street journal editorial pages for being radically

01:04:47.640 pro immigration. So, um, at least on this one issue, they may publish Andy McCarthy or whatever,

01:04:54.360 um, you know, saying, well, they, the Supreme court did this birthright citizenship in good

01:05:00.480 faith, yada, yada, yada. And that may be frustrating to a lot of people, but if you go

01:05:04.060 back and you look at their in our history of editorializing on immigration they've been good

01:05:08.620 at this they've been good on immigration restriction at a time when it was not necessarily

01:05:12.640 popular to be so yeah i think either way the point is is really that i just think national reviews

01:05:19.300 becoming irrelevant in either direction good on the issue bad on the issue i just think it's

01:05:23.840 it's increasingly less influential uh than other publications but well the issue is it's like

01:05:29.340 things like political magazines in general are kind of, you know, that's becoming an issue.

01:05:35.480 But the other problem is that, and look, I'm on Twitter, you know, I get payments from Elon Musk

01:05:41.200 every month, you know, whatever, make of that what you will, I'm just being honest. But it's also

01:05:46.600 true that we are not having sustained public arguments about stuff anymore. And that's one 0.88

01:05:51.980 reason why things like, you know, braindead socialism is winning. And we need to have an

01:05:57.360 elite class that is actually reading in depth and we need to have you know the more intelligent you

01:06:02.280 know citizens among us that are making the effort to read essays and other things like that and

01:06:06.860 understand this stuff and that's just not happening you know regardless of where you think nr is

01:06:11.600 editorially or not um i'd be i'd be happy if people were actually reading nr cover to cover

01:06:17.760 every month and disagreeing um like you know because that would at least advance the argument

01:06:23.660 in certain ways, but that's just not happening.

01:06:26.400 People just aren't engaging on that depth.

01:06:28.560 So in addition to organizing,

01:06:30.520 I would encourage people to start reading wide and deep.

01:06:34.460 I know Oren does a great job

01:06:36.180 of highlighting books and references.

01:06:38.600 He's out there pimping Pat Buchanan,

01:06:41.380 James Burnham or whoever else.

01:06:44.560 And that would be good for people

01:06:46.300 to read The Shape You're Thinking,

01:06:47.580 but that also needs to be a citizen's undertaking.

01:06:51.040 Yeah, no, I encourage people all the time.

01:06:53.360 Like, I appreciate it if you listen to me or take my commentary seriously.

01:06:58.020 But, you know, do the reading, read the books I talk about.

01:07:00.840 Don't just hear me talk about them.

01:07:02.000 Actually go and and, you know, crack the spine of the book and grasp that you can't really be a part of the debate until you have that context.

01:07:10.080 Otherwise, you're just spitting out other people's talking points.

01:07:12.740 But thank you for praising the Federalist.

01:07:14.100 I will say that.

01:07:15.480 I really appreciate that.

01:07:17.160 nixon also says uh can't help but notice scotus ruling came uh comes amid the rise of dsa uh

01:07:24.420 national fixation on gaza and conspiracy theories and changing consumer habits

01:07:29.840 odd uh you know uh it's tempting to always pull together this like well they're trying to sneak

01:07:35.540 in the back door and they've they've jammed the whole system honestly i think as mark is just

01:07:39.840 saying there i think we're just increasingly schizophrenic as a society the media cycle has

01:07:44.240 become so tight that it's you know almost uh a blip uh any given story it'll blow through the

01:07:50.480 next day uh and so you know does this distract from major things that we should be paying attention

01:07:55.840 to yes but do you need to coordinate that this at this point no in fact i think most people who are

01:08:01.020 even observing these media strategies just take for a fact that you know you throw one of these

01:08:05.140 things into the hurricane it blows around for a day and then it just goes away and the next thing

01:08:08.780 comes and so yeah that might be part of someone's media strategy but i don't think they need to

01:08:12.660 coordinate the like obfuscating these rulings i think that uh they would have kind of washed in

01:08:17.320 and out with the tide either way no but the fixation on gaza is super interesting i mean like

01:08:23.440 i mean it really is amazing how like free palestine has like completely supplanted

01:08:29.160 you know black lives matter and all the other stuff that have been dominating the party and it

01:08:33.800 makes zero sense to me politically and otherwise um it's like that i do want to know more about i

01:08:41.340 don't necessarily think there's anything conspiratorial about it but it just really

01:08:44.600 speaks to this like i don't know this weirdly like brain dead academic mindset on the left

01:08:51.360 um but it's also just you know it's like an omni cause it can like it's one of these things that

01:08:55.820 you know can make people feel um like they're on the right side of things morally or whatever at 0.98

01:09:01.380 the same time like doesn't have any actual effect in their community like you know black lives

01:09:06.400 matter forces you to confront all kinds of you know difficult questions about crime and other

01:09:10.180 things this is just you know i can be you know i can demonize my opponents without having to

01:09:16.340 you know suffer any like consequences or face any actual debate about things that are actually

01:09:20.880 happening in the country and it's just fascinating how that became the omni cause so quickly 0.62

01:09:25.240 well that makes it incredibly you know useful political tool right it's all the blm rage with

01:09:30.840 none of the downsides right exactly so yeah i don't i don't think that that one perhaps is too

01:09:36.100 much of a mystery once you uh look at its political utility i mean look the libs were losing on

01:09:40.720 everything else and it does get you a decent amount of uh you know some parts of kind of the

01:09:46.180 soft right or the those that had come along inside the maga coalition you know because frankly there's

01:09:51.680 a there's a lot going on there i don't i don't want to care about gaza so i'm not going to get

01:09:56.160 into any of it but you know there is uh there is just a lot going on there and so it's very easy

01:10:00.960 to be exploited for those purposes um let's just say optically israel isn't doing itself any favors

01:10:06.480 over there so um it's uh you know i have no i have no sympathy for the palestinians but uh you

01:10:12.480 know uh even i can you know see a situation and understand how that narrative forms

01:10:19.020 uh nixon says birthright now replacing 2a and row as top priority yep we already discussed that but

01:10:26.000 that is exactly what has to happen when it comes to vetting the judges uh j6 2.0 says roberts

01:10:32.980 distorts common law by using subjects interchangeably with citizenship as if they uh they're

01:10:39.320 royalty and we are just peasants on their land i believe alito in his descent basically makes

01:10:46.440 that exact point um yeah and it's kind of a powerful one i mean there's a there's a big

01:10:51.000 difference um in terms of you know how you you a person's relationship to land like why do they

01:10:57.380 have a relationship to a particular piece of land yeah um and that turns out to be an incredibly

01:11:02.860 interesting question yes absolutely uh florida henry says the gop is the shield of the left's

01:11:11.500 dagger uh again you know i think there are great people uh you know i i do know uh people who are

01:11:17.540 working hard and are real patriots inside Republican politics. But I do think that in

01:11:22.500 general, it is still true that there are far too many that are willing to, even if they would never

01:11:27.980 say it out loud, aid in a bet, you know, kind of the left's behavior, you know, form that uniparty

01:11:32.960 shield wall against any change that would come from their right. And so I do think that to an

01:11:38.640 extent that is true. Well, it's also just, was it, is it Hanlon's razor or whatever, like never,

01:11:45.000 you know attribute to intent what can be explained by incompetence i mean that's that's a lot of it

01:11:50.600 too i mean yeah i do think there are guys out there like tom tillis you know who are basically

01:11:55.160 like let's stick it to trump or whatever and you know allowing these things to happen or whatever

01:11:59.480 going along with democrats but it's also true just literally so much of it is just inertia and like

01:12:05.800 laziness and everything else and it's it's depressing in that regard because it would be a

01:12:10.360 lot easier to you know deal with people that were like openly conspiring um or openly saying i'm

01:12:17.320 going to do this to you but the reality is is when it's you know a conspiracy of intuition and

01:12:23.880 bad instincts um that's a lot harder to deal with yeah and i mean you know i get the hanlon's razor

01:12:30.440 i don't know more and more though i'm siding with malice as the cause uh as you pointed out with um

01:12:35.640 um uh with uh you know the the senate republicans you know they're doing it because they hate trump 0.76

01:12:40.680 you know that that's it is just malice yes they're also lazy and incompetent but it is the 0.89

01:12:45.580 malice they hate trump they hate the people who voted for him and they want to spite him and that

01:12:49.240 that explains something that otherwise would be inexplicable with the save act so i i i think they 0.99

01:12:54.940 can be both evil and stupid i don't i don't want to rule this out as a you know not a combination 0.80

01:12:59.920 that can occur there uh i cannot say your name on youtube no political solutions left prepare for 0.99

01:13:06.960 war because it's just been declared uh i think that unfortunately or fortunately depending on

01:13:12.200 how you look at it uh you are just not going to see that from you know uh americans i think

01:13:17.120 chris yarvin is largely correct about this even if things became entirely tyrannical look man i

01:13:23.040 lived through covid like people are not picking up the rifle to defend their country that's just

01:13:27.660 not happening uh so i think you you gotta you gotta remember that uh moving forward uh political

01:13:33.340 solutions or not it's gonna be a game of soft power probably not hard power yeah i think i

01:13:39.700 largely agree with that although i think there's a lot of intermediate things that are going to

01:13:42.860 happen in terms of dysfunction i mean you're going to start seeing and you've already seen you know

01:13:47.280 hints of this from both the right and the left and state governments or whatever where you know

01:13:51.280 pretty you know i could easily see a situation where there's some kind of state you know some

01:13:56.120 kind of big federal thing and there's some kind of you know state level nullification like i'm sorry

01:14:01.800 you know just send in the national guard and stuff and we already saw this a little bit you know in

01:14:06.360 terms of you know it wasn't necessarily a federal issue but with state issues where you know there

01:14:11.480 were some cases where um uh like hillsdale college for instance in michigan when like michigan had a

01:14:18.440 draconian covid you know regime and hillsdale college said we're staying open and you know

01:14:25.240 the governor threatened them. And Hillsdale was like, great, send in the National Guard.

01:14:30.400 Let's see you do that. And they backed down. You know, I don't know what's going to happen

01:14:34.820 in terms of that. But like, again, you know, if it's going to be an issue of soft power,

01:14:39.140 it doesn't mean you might not see some traumatic brinksmanship.

01:14:43.660 Well, you know, the ghost of John C. Calhoun is haunting this discussion. But I don't think that

01:14:48.880 there's really a Jackson anymore to break that. So yeah, I think that nullification does become

01:14:54.520 an interesting problem when all of your leaders are foxes and not lions yeah uh cherry coke

01:15:00.740 nixon says why does the indian feather citizenship act of 1924 exist if the whole planet is subject

01:15:08.040 to the jurisdiction they're in they think we're done yeah i i literally made this argument my

01:15:12.500 latest piece that'll be up on the blaze here soon but yeah i i think that's correct again if we look

01:15:17.120 at the historical application of birthright citizenship i just don't think current arguments

01:15:22.000 are in any way justifiable but yeah i mean the fact that we had consensus on birthright citizenship

01:15:26.560 was just because it wasn't that much of an issue we weren't having immigration at you know such

01:15:31.600 dramatic levels until the last about 60 years so there's a fascinating stat in chris caldwell's

01:15:37.360 book the age of enlightenment what is it age of enlightenment what is not the age of enlightenment

01:15:40.800 what is it entitled entire age of entitlement yes it would be a very different book um isn't there

01:15:46.320 a book that's the age of enlightenment isn't that one of the um i think that's like a stephen pinker

01:15:50.720 novel or enlightenment now something like that i don't know yeah no there's a um who are the the

01:15:56.620 the the the guy and his daughter that wrote the whole history of the world or whatever

01:16:01.060 um i don't know that one yeah you do it's very famous but uh anyway i think one of the volumes

01:16:08.620 is the age of enlightenment anyway sorry oh is it uh will durant will durant yeah i think one

01:16:13.580 of the will durant volumes is maybe the age of enlightenment but anyway um uh age of entitlement

01:16:18.500 sorry he points out that from the beginning from 1776 to 1964 when we passed the heart

01:16:23.840 cellar immigration act um um there was less immigration than there's been to america since

01:16:30.260 post the heart cellar immigration act um so yes i mean it's pretty mind-blowing to contemplate uh

01:16:42.080 in in those terms so like it just again birthright citizenship it was fine to accept that if you're

01:16:48.140 born on the soil you know there's plenty of space whatever it wasn't that big a deal or whatever and

01:16:52.700 again just slowly over time and especially since the 80s when reagan's amnesty kind of made it a

01:16:57.580 flashpoint for the first time are we really talking about this being a transformational thing

01:17:01.520 on um in the country it's also true sorry i was just going to say real quickly like when we talk

01:17:08.440 about demographic change like you know how elections happen in the 80s and all this other

01:17:13.340 stuff like you know people think it's you know the 80s or the 90s or whatever as you know relatively

01:17:18.820 recent history but the reality is if you go back and you look at the demographic changes happened

01:17:22.500 in just the last few decades it's dramatic and that explains so much what's going on and people

01:17:26.820 act like oh we were just we we didn't have you know many minority politicians or whatever well

01:17:32.220 the country was just much much wider i mean it's just crazy yep well and it's also a technological

01:17:37.580 issue right like we have cheap air travel we have cell phones we have the internet and now

01:17:43.880 these people can get here easily they can flood these places they don't need to in any way

01:17:49.140 integrate they can send money back they don't need to learn the language they can continually

01:17:53.460 maintain communities across you know the internet instead of inside you know the country i've i'm

01:17:58.860 sure you've been there too i've been in these cabs in dc or in uh texas and it's just some guy

01:18:04.920 from you know africa sitting there having conversations nine hours a day with other

01:18:10.500 people in africa while he drives a cab in dc you know it's just the the experience of immigration

01:18:15.700 is just radically different and so far more people can engage in it because it used to be you had to

01:18:19.880 leave most of your culture and your people and your family behind and now you can just take it

01:18:23.880 all with you it's all on your cell phone so it just completely blows up the entire system well 0.90

01:18:28.520 the other issue is technologically speaking is that you know you used to be finding your way to

01:18:33.320 the country finding the safe route and all that other stuff and you know social media and other

01:18:37.560 things have made it really easy for people to get connected with coyotes and and share information

01:18:42.060 about where to penetrate the border and all this other stuff and so that that technologically

01:18:45.820 speaking has been a huge issue very true very true all right uh spartan says uh the purpose of

01:18:51.280 the system is what it does trump edition well the problem is that a lot of the trump you know uh 0.97

01:18:56.640 what it has done is good uh obviously we've seen you know the the parting of the j6ers we've seen

01:19:02.440 the closing of the borders we've seen at least a level of deportations we certainly never would 0.98

01:19:06.980 have seen under kamala harris or you know even jeb bush so you know i understand i have had my

01:19:12.720 issues especially in foreign policy with some of the trump administration's decisions uh but i

01:19:16.740 don't think that you know that that uh kind of heuristic works in this scenario because there's

01:19:21.660 too much of a mixed bag to say oh well you know because it's always going one way that's what the

01:19:26.380 trump administration is trying to do i think there's actually been a lot of good that came

01:19:30.320 out of the trump administration so you can't just nail it down say well this one thing didn't work

01:19:34.520 out so therefore that's what the trump administration does but latrina says enough

01:19:42.420 of the gop now uh how about a national traditionalist party we have cool uniforms drink

01:19:48.080 beer march and clean up our cities the nat trads uh yeah as always i don't think uh third parties 0.81

01:19:54.360 are a good idea organize inside uh the gop take it over you know skin suit the gop wear it wear

01:20:00.540 like a skin suit if you need to but uh you know work from with inside that uh established party

01:20:05.860 uh structure don't don't try to create something entirely different people are running around

01:20:10.620 being like and now thomas massey will run for president i think they're deluding themselves

01:20:14.640 i i totally agree i'm a little nervous about the uniforms part but uh very nice uniforms mark i'm

01:20:21.980 i'm sure um uh but uh i do think though that new organizations at the civic level i mean

01:20:29.140 big strength america for a long time you know was guys in communities down at their local elks lodge

01:20:34.380 or whatever you know um and we should start bringing some of that back um you know part of

01:20:40.480 the problem here is we have a lot of young men that you know need to be put in the right direction

01:20:44.820 and having some civic organizations that engage young men on the local level now things like that

01:20:49.680 would go a long way toward i think fixing some of these political problems yep and again that's

01:20:54.300 exactly what the old blur club is all about so guys if you want to do something like that check

01:20:58.760 for a chapter in your area they've been growing like crazy uh sean wyland says easy to say get

01:21:04.000 involved in organizing when dsa is getting paid to do that from source etc while we uh work three

01:21:11.460 gig jobs just to barely afford rent yeah well i made this case already and i think that's absolutely

01:21:16.740 true i think we need you know the donor class to get serious about this but in the meantime 0.73

01:21:21.700 look is your country worth saving or not man you know that that's the question yeah that's

01:21:25.940 i was going to say like i'm totally sympathetic and i think i said that as much when i brought it

01:21:29.940 up right um but at the same time it's like look either you care or do not i mean the men who fought

01:21:34.580 the american revolution for crying out loud i mean you think that they weren't worried about

01:21:38.500 you know paying the rent uh you know or what they were gonna you know what they were doing you know

01:21:43.460 know what their what was happening in their farms and they were away for months at a time fighting

01:21:46.940 the british i mean i'm sorry sack up i mean that was literally i'm trying to remember who made this

01:21:54.100 case but there was somebody in like a public assembly who's like we can't go to war against

01:21:58.100 the british think of our wives who will be you know vulnerable and possibly like ravaged while

01:22:03.320 we're away at war you know back back on the farm these kind of things it's like yeah those things

01:22:08.100 you know those problems always existed and in many cases much worse and you know that again

01:22:12.440 this does not i'm you know we are mark and i are 100 behind this disparity being a huge problem

01:22:19.420 and someone needs to fix it and i you know i absolutely behind you but at the end of the day

01:22:24.280 we we got to figure this out even without that funding like it's simply not an excuse yeah i

01:22:29.280 mean you know even in recent world war ii and churchill was telling women's women to grab a

01:22:32.960 kitchen knife if a nazi lands on british soil i mean like like it's just it's what you got to do

01:22:37.360 and he also says where are elon bucks to afford to be organized look again i'll oh sorry go ahead

01:22:46.060 mark no well so so people said to you know curtis yarvin was arguing with elon musk on twitter

01:22:53.360 recently and curtis yarvin said oh you don't have to worry you know you're you're fine you're not

01:23:00.080 going to get killed and he and elon musk correctly turned to him and said hey uh you know they killed

01:23:05.020 charlie kirk like the threat is real they will get violent and elon's exactly right about that

01:23:09.240 but at some point your money has to go where your mouth is right like if the donor class really

01:23:13.540 thinks we're in an existential you know threat and the problem i think is too many of them don't

01:23:18.020 think that but if they do believe that well then it's time to make that real right like how many

01:23:22.940 trillions of dollars do you need if your country burns what's the value of that currency when your

01:23:29.340 civilization collapses right like there has to be some level of commitment and you know if we're

01:23:33.940 going to ask it from young men to organize we ask absolutely should ask it from billionaires too

01:23:38.380 uh you know i i think everyone needs to be contributing here so i'm with you again uh but

01:23:43.160 i just don't think that a lack of that coming in is therefore an excuse for an action yeah the

01:23:47.000 other thing is just look i want to say there's a lot of things that are wrong with american society

01:23:50.960 we are still far and away the most economically mobile society um you know you know look at what's

01:23:58.060 going on in europe right now like your chances of like becoming rich if you're born in a western

01:24:02.700 european country right now are like terrible um you know the i the prospect of making money in

01:24:08.960 america is is not in any way foregone i am very sympathetic to the affordability issues i am

01:24:15.280 very sympathetic to the idea that if you're part of the younger generation right now things like

01:24:19.680 the housing market and things are like fundamentally broken in a way that is profoundly frustrating and

01:24:24.080 you're absolutely right to be concerned about that but if you work hard and you you know i don't want

01:24:30.320 sound boomer like this way but it is true you know if you if you're smarter than average and

01:24:35.840 you work at it you're probably not going to starve you're probably going to make you know

01:24:40.180 enough money to enjoy yourself recreationally and probably going to make enough money to have some

01:24:44.240 free time to do some good to help save the country and the big part of help saving the country is

01:24:49.660 creating an economy where everybody can prosper you know and fighting back democratic socialists

01:24:54.220 before they're unable to like destroy this supply of affordable housing completely with

01:25:00.100 rent controls or, you know, the fact that, you know, deporting as many people as illegal 0.78

01:25:08.580 immigrants as possible is going to have a major positive effect on the price of housing. 0.98

01:25:13.740 Yeah, absolutely. All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap it up. But thank you,

01:25:17.740 Mark, for coming on. It's been fantastic to speak with you as always. Everybody should make sure

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 01, 2026

SCOTUS Upholds Birthright Citizenship ｜ Guest： Mark Hemingway ｜ 7⧸1⧸26

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