The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 17, 2024


Secret Service Failure： Incompetence or Malice？ ｜ Guest： Sean Davis ｜ 7⧸17⧸24


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Sean Davis of The Federalist joins me to discuss the latest in the saga of the failed assassination attempt on President Donald Trump on Monday morning in Las Vegas, and why the Secret Service has come under fire for their handling of the situation.

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00:00:30.180 Hey everybody, how's it going?
00:00:32.300 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.
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00:00:38.180 So obviously in the reaction following everything that happened with the failed Trump assassination on Monday,
00:00:44.960 I went into a little bit of the questions that we had surrounding the Secret Service's performance.
00:00:51.360 Obviously at that point we knew that it was bad.
00:00:54.120 There were a lot of personnel choices that seemed very suspect.
00:00:57.600 The reaction on many different levels seemed very unprofessional.
00:01:01.620 However, the more we look at this situation, the more it seems that perhaps it was not simply negligence or incompetence,
00:01:10.400 but perhaps even a certain level of active malice involved in the failures in the Trump security detail.
00:01:18.120 Joining me to talk about that is the CEO and co-founder of The Federalist, Sean Davis.
00:01:23.980 Thanks for coming on, man.
00:01:25.400 Thank you for having me on.
00:01:26.400 I've been a longtime admirer and fan of your work, so this is an honor.
00:01:30.700 Well, thanks, and I really appreciate yours.
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00:01:48.400 I'm not just saying that there are issues with the federal government of certain agencies,
00:01:51.700 but regularly saying that there is a criminal aspect, there is a malicious aspect to this,
00:01:56.840 and I think it's really important for people to hear from someone who is operating in an organization like yours.
00:02:02.520 So I want to dive into everything that happened with the Secret Service coverage, what you think about it.
00:02:07.400 You did a great post on Twitter yesterday laying out all of the issues,
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00:03:30.540 So, Sean, from the beginning of this, many people had questions about the Secret Service protection detail.
00:03:39.280 Obviously, we try to avoid spinning into immediate conspiracy theory territory when this happened.
00:03:46.040 Initially, the left is saying, oh, this is staged.
00:03:48.120 Donald Trump set this up to gain a lot of sympathy, right?
00:03:51.260 Like, he could get away with that, given our media environment.
00:03:53.920 But the right also starts looking at what's happening with this detail.
00:03:59.020 And it's very clear that, well, it had a lot of diverse personnel who had some questionable reactions during this moment.
00:04:07.040 Now, I'm not under fire, so I'm not here to go ahead and assess every one of these people.
00:04:12.060 But those that have been under fire have looked at this, guys like Eric Prince, and said this is a security disaster on many levels.
00:04:19.680 But now we've seen more and more details about why the roof on which the shooter was placed was not secured.
00:04:28.280 We've seen different questions about the staffing, why they hadn't screened this guy when he initially entered.
00:04:33.880 Could you break down some of the issues that you found were particularly suspicious around the security detail?
00:04:41.100 Yeah, so we were working outside, no real cell coverage to speak of, when we got somehow a text squeaked through to my much better half that Trump had been shot.
00:04:55.000 And so we kind of dropped what we were doing.
00:04:56.240 And we hadn't been watching TV all that day and started just looking at the footage, you know, saying a prayer of thanks that Trump wasn't severely injured, that the country hadn't just been thrown into a potential very awful civil war.
00:05:12.320 And then kind of once the dust settled, I start, you know, my phone starts pinging.
00:05:16.340 We get back to where we've got coverage.
00:05:18.380 Everyone's calling and emailing me.
00:05:20.080 And I started hearing from sources familiar with Trump's security detail and protocols there that, hey, this thing that just happened is exactly why we've been begging for more resources and more staff for months and months and months.
00:05:36.620 So I started getting those messages early Saturday evening.
00:05:42.480 And that kind of started shaping how I viewed what happened.
00:05:47.160 And it's impossible to ignore what happened on that roof, because there's been a famous picture out there where someone drew the Secret Service perimeter.
00:05:58.540 And within a perimeter, it doesn't matter if you have local cops there or local police, sheriff's deputies, stateies, whatever.
00:06:08.600 The Secret Service controls that entire perimeter.
00:06:12.140 And they merely outsource, but they control.
00:06:14.220 But you looked at this picture and it showed like a Pac-Man, instead of having a full circle, like 360 degrees, they carved out this little thing with this roof.
00:06:22.520 And you're like, wow, that's insane.
00:06:25.300 And so my head immediately went to this was because they were understaffed and under-resourced.
00:06:30.920 This was a direct result of them not being given the resources they needed.
00:06:34.380 But as the hours and days went on, and we heard some of these absurd lies from the Secret Service director herself, but Biden didn't know that.
00:06:45.660 He thought it was a himself.
00:06:46.720 It's a herself.
00:06:48.880 We were told that they couldn't have anyone on the roof because it was sloped.
00:06:52.380 Like that was, I do a little construction for fun.
00:06:55.300 That was a 212 roof.
00:06:56.680 Like that's basically flat.
00:06:57.960 I have power washed roofs like that. 0.58
00:07:00.840 When I was working my way through college, I power washed barrel tile roofs all the time.
00:07:06.100 I have been on that roof.
00:07:07.320 You'd be fine.
00:07:08.640 The assassin was like room temperature on that roof and didn't move.
00:07:13.760 Like, so if he's not rolling off of it, there's probably a good chance that if you are conscious that you can walk on it.
00:07:20.320 So once she said that, I started asking myself, man, so it is indisputable and inarguable, notwithstanding lies from the Secret Service spokesman, that Trump's security detail didn't have the resources they want.
00:07:33.420 In fact, there was an article in the Washington Post this morning that said that local police explicitly told Secret Service, we can't cover that building.
00:07:41.840 We don't have the resources to cover that.
00:07:43.420 So when you see the lies, the sloped roof and all that, you begin to ask yourself, was this garden variety DEI bureaucratic incompetence or is this what I would actually call strategic or deliberate incompetence?
00:07:59.900 And the more we don't hear the truth from the current regime, the more they tell us things that are obviously untrue or that they have no evidence to support.
00:08:10.160 For example, like a couple hours after Trump was shot, the FBI came out and said, hey, yeah, we can't get into the guy's phone, but don't worry, he acted alone.
00:08:18.300 So you hear that stuff.
00:08:19.520 And I begin to wonder if there was a left hand, right hand, you know, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing going on with the regime, where they deliberately left him vulnerable.
00:08:29.340 That's inarguable.
00:08:30.280 But we also know, based on what they did with the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping, the three-letter agencies also seem to enjoy finding random mentally unwell freaks and spinning them into a tizzy and equipping them to do awful things and then riding into the rescue at the last second saying, hey, look at this plot we just stopped.
00:08:50.940 You know, they did this in the wake of 9-11 for decades.
00:08:53.340 I'm beginning to wonder if the left hand was taking advantage with its weaponized freaks playbook, taking advantage of the right hand's deliberate strategic incompetence.
00:09:10.500 And wouldn't you know, both of those things actually working together create a very nice little veneer of plausible deniability.
00:09:17.360 And the longer they lie, the more I'm kind of required just by logic to assume the right hand, left hand, plausible deniability, strategic incompetence analysis.
00:09:31.000 Yeah, we've come to a very similar conclusion on this because we have this scenario where apparently this guy is 20 years old.
00:09:37.700 He has no social media footprint.
00:09:40.300 They can't get into his phone.
00:09:41.700 So this guy has just never been on the Internet to express an opinion.
00:09:45.000 He also has a phone that you just can't get a hold of.
00:09:48.260 But they do know that he's working alone somehow, even though apparently there's no evidence of of motivation that we can find.
00:09:54.780 It's amazing that every one of these things that is supposed to be right wing.
00:09:58.040 Somehow our security forces find like a freshly unfolded Nazi flag next to every one of these guys.
00:10:05.380 But but there's just no record of this guy.
00:10:08.020 He apparently was walking around with a range finder in his hand, you know, to go ahead and figure out how far the shot would be.
00:10:14.780 He was spotted by this.
00:10:16.080 He was reported to the authorities because of this.
00:10:19.400 So he was already on the Secret Service's radar when this occurred.
00:10:24.380 People had seen him going onto the roof.
00:10:27.480 He's scurrying around it during this whole thing.
00:10:29.740 No one thinks to pull Trump off of the stage.
00:10:33.420 No, none of the counter snipers are allowed to take a shot.
00:10:36.760 You're in this scenario where, yes, you could say each one of these things.
00:10:40.220 Oh, well, procedure said we couldn't do that.
00:10:42.100 Oh, we were short on resources.
00:10:43.960 Oh, well, we didn't have.
00:10:44.900 But at some point what we have is just this overwhelming amount of coincidences that all line up in the same direction.
00:10:54.160 And if there's one thing we've learned from living under this regime, it's when all of the coincidences keep routinely lining up in the exact same direction.
00:11:03.180 You have to ask the question, was this a result that was manufactured again?
00:11:07.580 Not necessarily top down directed the entire time, but simply so many different moving parts of the regime, one of the same outcome.
00:11:16.000 And they were all working towards the same end, even if they didn't completely have a level of coordination on this.
00:11:22.800 Right. Yeah, exactly.
00:11:24.320 I read an article the other day and I can't remember exactly where it was, but it said something like the locusts have no king, but they all know what they're supposed to devour.
00:11:32.400 Or that's generally how the regime works.
00:11:36.620 Everyone, we're kind of stuck in this mode of having watched movies and read novels, and we're always assuming there's one bad guy behind the scenes directing everything.
00:11:45.380 That's not the reality of how the left works.
00:11:48.420 They all know what they're supposed to do.
00:11:49.940 They kind of know their role.
00:11:50.960 And it's interesting.
00:11:54.660 One thing I have kind of avoided is the question of, well, why didn't they shoot the guy?
00:12:00.240 Because I actually think that's one area where it's super tricky.
00:12:03.640 You've got all this kind of chaos because there's totally understaffed, undermanned, underresourced.
00:12:09.360 They are supposed to have local police covering this building.
00:12:13.940 So, you know, a couple of minutes beforehand, somebody climbs up there.
00:12:17.160 Maybe they don't have a good view at him or they think he might be a local.
00:12:21.300 They think he might be part of their partner, law enforcement.
00:12:25.060 He's not quite sure.
00:12:26.240 They have certain operating procedures for when they take someone out preemptively.
00:12:30.140 That stuff, I all think is understandable.
00:12:32.860 So I haven't really gone down that road.
00:12:34.540 To me, the entire question is who made the decision to understaff them?
00:12:39.300 Who made the decision to leave that building outside of the perimeter?
00:12:43.200 Who made the decision to not cover up the line of sight?
00:12:46.200 Because even if you're going to leave that uncovered, you bring in some lulls or telehandlers
00:12:50.740 or fire trucks, you throw the cranes or ladders up and you put a bunch of big flags on them
00:12:56.320 and bam, you've covered up a line of sight.
00:12:58.900 And then finally, who gave the order or refused to give the order to take Trump off the stage?
00:13:05.840 Because by the time that shooter was up there, they had a picture of him.
00:13:10.000 That picture we've seen of this guy was taken by the Secret Service.
00:13:13.040 So they had a picture of him.
00:13:14.300 They knew he had a rangefinder.
00:13:15.860 They had stopped him.
00:13:17.080 There were reports from bystanders that there's a shooter on the roof.
00:13:20.260 At this point, forget the question of why didn't they shoot him?
00:13:24.060 The actual question is why was he not removed from the stage immediately?
00:13:28.160 I mean, that's such a code red thing.
00:13:30.180 And in a vacuum, each individual decision, you can probably rationalize and say,
00:13:36.280 yeah, I understand that.
00:13:37.480 But when you put them all together and then you combine everything we have seen this regime do for the last eight years,
00:13:45.320 to me, it is absolutely impossible and it defies logic to just say, oh, these were just some innocent mistakes.
00:13:53.000 You know, I believe in incompetence.
00:13:54.620 I believe in government incompetence because I'm alive and I see what these idiots do.
00:14:00.080 But this type of like cavalcade of terrible decision making in light of what we have seen them do and what we know they're capable of doing,
00:14:08.180 it requires me to reject that this was all just a series of unfortunate accidents.
00:14:13.040 You know, when I was a local reporter, we had Barack Obama come to town to do some kind of presentation on the environment.
00:14:23.880 He went out to the middle of the swamp and the Everglades.
00:14:26.620 And even then, the Secret Service had a detail where they were putting elevated platforms all around.
00:14:33.580 This is the middle of the swamp.
00:14:34.740 There's no, you know, there's no buildings.
00:14:36.640 There's no, you know, there's only so you can see everything from an elevated position.
00:14:40.300 And still, the coverage was very thorough.
00:14:43.720 It just seems so obvious that deliberate choices were made to put Trump in this situation.
00:14:50.820 Again, like you said, it doesn't mean that, you know, there's some black ops handler who is handing out the order for this guy to go MKUltra on Trump.
00:15:00.320 But, you know, as I explained in my book, The Total State,
00:15:03.140 it is the decentralized network of these different institutions that really continually drives us towards the outcomes we're getting.
00:15:12.200 Not one or two of them always have the total idea of what you're going to be doing laid out.
00:15:18.120 But the fact that they all are seeking the same solution,
00:15:20.840 hoping to end up in the same scenario,
00:15:23.420 means eventually you tend to manufacture these situations,
00:15:26.500 whether you explicitly design them from the top down or not.
00:15:30.420 Yeah, I think that's exactly right.
00:15:32.120 And so I put on Twitter a thread this morning where I tried to categorize what I thought were the main four explanations for what happened.
00:15:40.780 The first one being just garden variety, bureaucratic incompetence.
00:15:45.440 Mistakes were made.
00:15:46.700 People are idiots.
00:15:48.040 It happens.
00:15:49.260 And unfortunately, it all happened at the same time.
00:15:51.940 And it resulted in an assassination attempt that took the life of an innocent man.
00:15:57.020 So that's option one.
00:15:57.920 And I'd say that's probably the, we'll call that like the government official narrative.
00:16:03.320 Option two is what I call a strategic or deliberate incompetence.
00:16:07.180 They just wanted to create a situation where he was vulnerable,
00:16:10.460 which is why they starved his detail of what they needed,
00:16:13.520 why they diverted resources over to Jill Biden's indoor event,
00:16:17.740 why they kept that area uncovered.
00:16:20.060 Option three is what I call the right hand, left hand.
00:16:25.060 It includes option two, where you have deliberate strategic incompetence combined with portions of the government that look to weaponize people they don't like
00:16:35.320 in order to either take out people they don't like or to create narratives they don't like.
00:16:40.660 So the Whitmer kidnapping would be they weaponized a bunch of loners with poor impulse control so they could create a narrative that right-wingers were wanting to assassinate Democrat governors.
00:16:51.860 And then option four is what I would call like the inside job rationale,
00:16:56.880 where the guy on the roof is a patsy.
00:16:59.580 The actual shots came from somewhere else.
00:17:01.200 There were multiple shooters.
00:17:02.300 It was directed from the inside.
00:17:03.740 I'd be interested in your thoughts on whether you think there's other explanations.
00:17:09.960 I'll tell you, I started out at number one.
00:17:12.700 Once I started hearing from people very familiar with trust, security detail and the lack of resources,
00:17:17.520 that pushed me to number two, along with the suggestion that a sloped roof kept snipers off of their single stupidest lie I think I've ever heard in my life.
00:17:28.460 And then number three, once they said just, you know, an hour or two afterwards, he acted alone, even though we know nothing about him and we can't get into his phone.
00:17:36.560 That pushed me to option three.
00:17:38.380 I tend to think option four is unlikely or who knows.
00:17:44.120 But it's been interesting to me as I've talked about this to see the rage from the left at anyone who questions the official narrative from the government.
00:17:52.720 Yeah, I'm somewhere between two and three, I think it's just the thing that leans you towards three really is the fact that, again, if this were anyone else, you know, if this is a woman whose dog is misbehaving in the park and, you know, and someone wants to attack them, somehow the entire Internet will have that person doxed by dinnertime and have their life destroyed because they think she might be racist somewhere.
00:18:17.360 But every time a crazed leftist, say, murders children in a school in Tennessee or tries to kill the president, all of a sudden we just can't find anything about this person.
00:18:27.500 They're just a complete enigma, impenetrable mystery for all the people in charge.
00:18:33.520 Yeah, and the other thing is, if it were mere garden variety and incompetence, which, again, happens every day in the government, we've all experienced it ourselves, I would have expected a firing by this point.
00:18:46.580 Maybe a single resignation, because if you are running this government and you know how distrustful people are due to your years and years of brazen, life-ruining lies like what they did during COVID,
00:19:00.720 you would want to do something that communicates, hey, this is totally unacceptable, but we know this can never happen again.
00:19:09.240 And everyone responsible who made all these terrible decisions, they're gone and they're never going to be in a position to allow this to happen again.
00:19:16.320 And yet we have had the exact opposite happen.
00:19:19.180 We've had leaders say that they have 100% confidence in the Secret Service director.
00:19:24.360 That's literally insane.
00:19:26.420 Would you have 100% confidence in your brakes if you're just driving down the highway and you pump them and they don't work and you nearly go careening over a cliff?
00:19:36.320 No, of course not.
00:19:37.240 You'd say, you know what?
00:19:38.220 These brakes had one job, and it was to stop the car, and they didn't do that.
00:19:42.900 So I can't get back in that car and drive it again until I know those brakes are fixed.
00:19:46.940 And yet our government is doing the exact opposite.
00:19:50.360 If that's not the biggest red flag you've ever seen, I don't know what is.
00:19:53.900 And, you know, at some point or at some level, I'm jealous of the left because their extreme devotion to protecting their side at all costs is something that the right could learn from.
00:20:08.580 The fact that someone could fail this publicly and this miserably and nothing is going to happen to them, there's going to be no consequence, is truly something to behold.
00:20:19.260 The right would sell any one of their members down the river for the slightest mistake.
00:20:25.860 And the left can literally get people killed.
00:20:28.220 And they don't even bother to apologize, much less go ahead and fire somebody.
00:20:33.280 I mean, everything with the pandemic, everything from the withdrawal of Afghanistan and, you know, just the execution of this foreign adventurism, the miserable failures on the border and everything else. 0.96
00:20:45.460 And now this assassination, like you said, if this was a competent government, even if it was like malicious, even if it was nefarious, but it was at least competent, it would offer one of these people up.
00:20:57.000 I would say, oh, no, obviously, like for the greater good, we have to give this person up so we can placate people and let them think that there's some level of accountability in our government.
00:21:05.820 But the fact that they just are looking the American people straight in the eye and giving them the middle finger, just saying like, no, of course, we would never fire anyone in the ruling elite, even the most inept, obviously foolish, obviously complicit person in the world.
00:21:20.980 No, we will not give any of those people up.
00:21:23.500 That's the degree of loyalty we have to the people who operate in our regime.
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00:21:57.720 Yeah, it's amazing.
00:21:59.160 But it's interesting looking at the Secret Service.
00:22:01.560 This is the agency that is responsible for protecting the President of the United States.
00:22:06.460 And right now, at least on paper, that's Joe Biden.
00:22:10.160 We can have a whole other discussion about who we actually think is making all the decisions.
00:22:14.240 But Joe Biden is the President.
00:22:16.240 He is the primary protectee of the Secret Service.
00:22:18.880 If all of this were the result of mere incompetence and not deliberate incompetence, strategic incompetence meant to create a veneer of plausible deniability, if this were truly incompetence, wouldn't Joe Biden be worried about his own protection?
00:22:36.040 That's the logical conclusion you would have to draw is this institution and the people running it right now are not able to protect me because they're tasked with protecting me.
00:22:46.680 And yet we've seen the exact opposite.
00:22:49.680 And I think that's super, super weird and pretty telling because if he thought they couldn't protect him, he'd be like, holy crap.
00:22:57.460 Yeah, we've got a clean house there because I'm going to be personally at risk here.
00:23:00.420 Because remember, all these evil, alpha, MAGA people, they're super violent and they're Nazis and they're existential threats.
00:23:06.640 They might actually come try and get me.
00:23:08.240 So I need an actual competent Praetorian Guard taking care of my security.
00:23:12.760 But he didn't do that.
00:23:14.020 And it's why, again, I'm kind of forced just by sheer logic to assume that this was not the result of just a series of unhappy, unfortunate accidents.
00:23:25.040 Now, I have to ask you about one of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to conservatives, because the immediate call was someone needs to be held accountable.
00:23:34.720 We need to hold these people accountable.
00:23:36.240 Someone needs to testify in front of Congress, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, as if that's going to do anything.
00:23:41.560 Again, we watch congressional Republicans fail over and over again, hold any of these people to account that no one gets fired.
00:23:49.300 No one loses a job.
00:23:50.340 No one even gets demoted.
00:23:51.440 They have infinite trials or rather they ask all these questions of guys like Anthony Fauci.
00:23:59.060 He basically just laughs in their face every time he gets in front of them.
00:24:03.200 You're somebody who has regularly had the courage to come on Twitter and just say, look, it's not enough.
00:24:09.380 These organizations have to be dismantled.
00:24:12.120 Something like the FBI has to go.
00:24:14.380 It's not just about reform.
00:24:15.900 It's not just about switching out some people at the top.
00:24:18.040 We need people who understand that this is about dismantling these organizations because the poison goes all the way down to the root.
00:24:25.940 Do you think that conservatives will finally have the courage that a Republican administration, hopefully under Donald Trump, would have the courage to finally take action on some of these institutions that are so rotten there's no way to redeem them?
00:24:40.420 I mean, they have to, if they have any interest at all in self, literal self-preservation.
00:24:44.820 Yeah, living.
00:24:45.760 Yes.
00:24:46.020 Yes, they have to.
00:24:47.680 And, you know, I used to work on the Hill for many years.
00:24:51.160 I helped put together a lot of these hearings for Tom Coburn at the time, who the man was just an absolute force of nature.
00:24:57.800 And what enabled him to kind of command in these hearings and get the reputation he did was he wasn't a guy who was bossed around by staff.
00:25:07.900 He wasn't someone who just went up there and read a script.
00:25:10.380 We would write for him multi-hundred page briefing books, you know, hundreds or thousands of footnotes in them.
00:25:17.860 And he would read all of them.
00:25:19.580 He'd take notes of them.
00:25:20.740 He digested it.
00:25:21.760 It became part of him.
00:25:23.960 And when he got in these hearings, he didn't have to have someone whispering in his ear what question to ask or how to do the follow-up.
00:25:30.720 He knew it.
00:25:31.480 Like, he knew he had these people dead to rights the second they opened their mouths.
00:25:36.220 And he knew he knew more than they did.
00:25:38.600 And they knew it, too.
00:25:40.740 We, unfortunately, don't really have that on the Hill right now.
00:25:43.680 So we've got some really, really good people.
00:25:45.780 We've got great staff there.
00:25:47.160 Um, it takes a special person with a devotion to knowing every last little detail to be able to handle these little worms and hearings.
00:25:55.760 Because we've all seen them do the song and dance and the filibuster and the I don't recall and the answer questions that weren't asked.
00:26:02.320 And they do these little slates of hand that if you don't have a perfect command of the detail, you're just not capable of being able to parry with them back and forth.
00:26:10.380 Um, so I hope Congress, you know, does its best.
00:26:14.240 That's not where, uh, my real hope lies.
00:26:16.580 We have to have people in, in the incoming administration, assuming Trump wins, which he has to, he has to win or, or I don't know what we do.
00:26:24.800 There have to be people who are very, uh, steely and clear eyed about what the threat is because we can't just go in and say, oh, it was a couple bad apples.
00:26:33.660 It was just the management at the top.
00:26:36.360 No, the, these institutions are corrupted from top to bottom.
00:26:40.220 The FBI, for example, um, was conceived in nonsense.
00:26:44.640 It was created to be the political espionage arm of a corrupt leader who wanted to use, uh, personal facts about his enemies against them to wield power.
00:26:53.160 So, uh, you know, FBI can't exist.
00:26:56.160 I think the CIA in its form current form can't exist.
00:26:59.460 The secret service needs to be torn down, uh, and built up again.
00:27:02.600 I think DHS is a joke.
00:27:04.700 In many cases, there's no reforming these institutions.
00:27:08.060 They have to be destroyed and they have to be reconstituted from the bottom up with people who actually care about the country and understand that the threat, which truly knows how to gain and wield power, uh, poses to the nation.
00:27:20.740 So Sean, I know you've got a heart out here.
00:27:22.700 I want to ask you one more question before you go.
00:27:25.520 Speaking of Trump needing to win, obviously political ramifications of this are like third order in some ways.
00:27:32.440 But you still have to think about them.
00:27:34.100 Even in a moment of crisis like this, a lot of people have looked at what has happened here.
00:27:39.200 You see that contrast between Joe Biden who can barely read a teleprompter without falling asleep.
00:27:43.940 And then you have Donald Trump who literally can take a bullet, bounce back and has to be dragged off stage by secret service as he pumps his fist to reassure his supporters.
00:27:54.560 When you have a contract, a trunk contrast like that, it feels like the election's over, right?
00:28:00.060 When this is what politics should be about.
00:28:02.020 You have a leader who shows himself in that moment that should pretty much seal the deal.
00:28:06.340 And yet we're still hearing from places like 538 that maybe Biden's gaining some ground.
00:28:11.440 What do you think about the election status at this point after the assassination?
00:28:15.800 Well, the deal is not sealed at all.
00:28:19.040 It's not sealed until Trump takes the oath of office on January 20th, 2025.
00:28:25.640 It's easy to kind of look at all these macro dynamics and where the momentum is.
00:28:30.300 Momentum is super important in politics.
00:28:33.480 You can look at that and say, look, all the macro factors are pointing to a fairly significant Trump win.
00:28:39.520 But macro factors don't determine elections.
00:28:42.880 Ballots do.
00:28:43.660 We all lived through 2020.
00:28:45.780 We saw what happened.
00:28:46.840 We saw what they did.
00:28:47.780 They straight up rigged and stole it.
00:28:50.020 Everyone knows it.
00:28:51.040 We all saw it.
00:28:52.040 They admitted they did it.
00:28:54.720 If you believe that they tried to help create the conditions under which Trump might have been assassinated,
00:29:01.840 you have to then also believe that they will not stop and they will do anything they can to steal this election.
00:29:07.240 So people need to not get lazy and not get complacent.
00:29:10.940 This thing is not even close to over.
00:29:13.120 We've got three and a half months until the election.
00:29:16.000 I think we've got 188 days until inauguration.
00:29:18.940 That is an eternity in politics, especially when you're facing a foe like we are that is willing to lie and do anything whatsoever to gain and maintain power.
00:29:28.520 So people need to go vote.
00:29:29.960 They have to go vote.
00:29:31.080 They have to make sure their friends go vote.
00:29:33.060 They have to do ballot chase and ballot harvesting.
00:29:35.700 That's the only way out of this.
00:29:38.800 There's no other way through this but winning.
00:29:41.800 All right.
00:29:42.500 Thank you so much, Sean, for joining me.
00:29:45.060 Really appreciate your commentary.
00:29:46.520 Is there anything you want people to check out before you leave?
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00:29:52.460 And Oren, thanks so much for being a rock star and a great thinker and such a gracious host.
00:29:57.640 That was great finally getting to talk to you.
00:29:58.940 Have a good one.
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00:31:31.940 All right, guys, so the next topic I wanted to get into is there's currently a lot of debate, especially on Twitter, about whether or not we should have what people are calling conservative cancel culture after this attack on Donald Trump.
00:31:49.060 In case you're not aware, there have been several high profile people, including one of the band members of Tenacious D, not Jack Black, but the other guy, Kyle something.
00:31:59.840 I forget his name, but he made a comment saying that he wished that the shooter had not missed live on stage while they were performing.
00:32:08.660 Tenacious D has since canceled its tour.
00:32:11.160 And Jack Black has talked about even suspending the project indefinitely because he was so shocked about what was said.
00:32:18.020 We also had Destiny, if you caught my clip yesterday that I put together about Destiny and his incredibly gross attack on the father that died protecting his wife and child at the Trump rally.
00:32:33.820 Corey, sorry, Caprica.
00:32:35.460 I'm trying to remember his last name correctly.
00:32:37.000 I'm going to I'm going to make sure I get that right.
00:32:38.620 But but he was mocking this man for dying at the rally while protecting his wife and his daughter.
00:32:46.300 Just absolutely disgusting behavior.
00:32:49.400 And one of the platforms he streams on banned him because of this and the fact that he was also talking about himself, why he wished that the guy who had been successful at shooting Trump.
00:33:00.360 And then a third example, one that's a little different, and I want to break into why these examples are important and different.
00:33:07.920 A lot of people have focused on the fact that there was somebody who went to a Home Depot.
00:33:11.400 They found a woman who had said, again, something very similar about how she wished that the shooter had not missed Trump.
00:33:19.880 She had said that on her own personal page.
00:33:22.100 She's an old woman who works at Home Depot. 0.77
00:33:24.660 So the guy went in, asked her about this tape that that went on to social media, and she was fired for for posting that on social media.
00:33:36.880 I have some thoughts about the way that people are reacting to this.
00:33:40.460 There are a lot of people, especially a lot of the guys and kind of the I didn't leave the left, the left left me.
00:33:46.020 I'm a moderate centrist wing of the right who are saying, we can't do this.
00:33:50.980 We can't have a conservative cancel culture.
00:33:54.060 We can't go around canceling people.
00:33:57.260 This is what we stand against.
00:34:00.300 That is that is wrong.
00:34:02.100 So I always had a problem with the phrase cancel culture.
00:34:06.720 In fact, you can go back and watch one of my earlier videos if you like talking about why I think cancel culture is itself a very stupid label.
00:34:14.040 For what we have seen against people who are on the right for many, many years.
00:34:18.880 What we've seen against people on the right is not cancel culture.
00:34:23.200 It's political persecution.
00:34:25.680 It's people who were fired from their jobs, had their lives destroyed for holding mildly offensive opinions to the status quo.
00:34:34.900 Not anything immoral, not anything that's asking for the harm of people, nothing actively malicious.
00:34:41.140 Just something like donating $25 to Kyle Rittenhouse, had one guy fired.
00:34:48.360 There's another guy who did a burnout on a pride flag, you know, blasphemy.
00:34:52.720 He was charged with a felony, a young guy doing that.
00:34:56.840 There have been guys like Douglas Mackey who are facing prison time for making a meme insulting Hillary Clinton.
00:35:03.060 There's another guy, you remember the guy who got his life ruined CNN, tried to destroy this guy because he photoshopped CNN's logo on Trump's, on the face of a guy Trump was beating up in a WWF skit.
00:35:18.280 Like CNN tried to hunt down and destroy this guy for a meme, for a gif that he had made.
00:35:25.860 Or, of course, you can think of someone like Nick Sandman, whose life was destroyed.
00:35:30.800 He had to sue the media outlets who slandered him because he was caught smiling while someone was protesting.
00:35:40.660 Even though you found that eventually the context of that made it much clearer that there was no, there was nothing malicious about what he's doing.
00:35:47.180 He's just a kid in a MAGA hat and they tried to destroy his life over this.
00:35:51.880 There are endless examples.
00:35:54.040 We could, oh, oh, here's a great one.
00:35:56.420 There's a grandmother who was protesting at an abortion clinic and she has received a long sentence in jail, even though her health is in terrible condition.
00:36:08.760 Her husband begged the judge to go ahead and reduce her sentence since she did nothing dangerous.
00:36:16.320 There's no violent crime.
00:36:17.340 She wasn't threatening anyone.
00:36:18.660 She was just protesting at a place that the regime finds sacred.
00:36:21.620 And the judge basically laughed in the face of a man who's worried about his wife dying in jail.
00:36:27.020 So when the left treats you this way, you need to understand what's going on.
00:36:34.040 Now, I hear a lot of people warming up to the idea that we're going to need mass deportation, that actually that the damage that the left has done demographically to this country by allowing tens of millions of people illegally into the country 1.00
00:36:48.620 is going to permanently shift the voting blocs in the United States and guarantee the left an electoral victory in perpetuity.
00:36:55.900 And if we don't go ahead and deport a large number of people who are here illegally, then the country is basically cooked. 1.00
00:37:02.860 I've heard a lot of people say this.
00:37:04.560 A lot of people who are now crying about the fact that someone got canceled for wanting President Trump dead.
00:37:10.880 What are you going to do when they actually start deporting these people?
00:37:16.680 Like, are you going to grow a spine then?
00:37:18.500 Like, when they start showing you footage of all of these families separated, crying mothers and children,
00:37:25.600 some violent criminal who resists deportation and gets shot and the left starts worshiping that guy.
00:37:33.380 I mean, remember, understand the context of what is happening here.
00:37:36.880 When when a drug addict was died in police custody, when George Floyd died in police custody after a fentanyl overdose,
00:37:45.860 the left literally burned down cities.
00:37:49.180 They burned down neighborhoods.
00:37:51.040 They burned down businesses.
00:37:52.560 They they murdered people.
00:37:54.700 And when the right has a president who barely survives assassination, there's none of that.
00:38:01.960 There's none of it.
00:38:02.920 Right.
00:38:03.120 There's no there's no riots in the streets.
00:38:05.480 There's no there's no massive demonstrations.
00:38:08.100 There's nothing because the left have trained you to know that that's criminal, that you will be in serious trouble if you do that.
00:38:14.660 Now, I want to be very clear.
00:38:16.900 All of the actions taken to push back against the left should be legal.
00:38:22.420 Very clear.
00:38:23.420 Legal and peaceful.
00:38:25.220 Very clear about that.
00:38:26.480 However, when you have the natural consequences of literally wishing the president had died in public, come do.
00:38:35.100 That should be a good thing that those are natural consequences.
00:38:40.600 That's why I made the meme here.
00:38:41.920 Right.
00:38:42.200 You don't need to dive in front of liberals who want you dead, who literally encourage assassins to kill Donald Trump.
00:38:51.660 And those people go on to kill Trump supporters.
00:38:54.200 You do not need to dive into the into in front of these people to show them that you're the you're the good guy.
00:39:02.920 OK, these people do not care.
00:39:04.980 They do not care.
00:39:06.260 They will not stop until the natural consequences of their actions fall on them.
00:39:11.820 You cannot have unilateral disarmament of cancel culture.
00:39:16.040 OK, now, look, I am sympathetic to the idea that everyone should not have to live in fear of holding political opinions.
00:39:26.860 In fact, I would like a radical depoliticalization of our public square.
00:39:31.800 But the only way that happens is victory.
00:39:35.260 There are an awful lot of people who want to believe that they can get around this moment that the culture war can end, that all of this conflict and all of this disagreement can end without victory.
00:39:48.760 They want to just return to some mythical moment in the 1990s where we didn't we didn't disagree with each other.
00:39:54.800 Everybody just got along fine.
00:39:56.300 Look, that never existed.
00:39:58.140 It never happened.
00:39:59.880 That's not how anything works.
00:40:01.380 The left has just been in charge and you have been assuming that the default settings of the left were the objective truth.
00:40:09.160 And then things got a little weird in the 2000s and you started to finally realize that actually the left is not this beneficent force that is going around and setting objective standards of good for everyone.
00:40:22.220 But actually, they are malicious actors who are always willing to destroy the livelihoods of people who had different opinions.
00:40:29.660 That is not new.
00:40:31.380 OK, and they were doing this to people who had very mild opinions.
00:40:36.360 Someone who said, maybe I don't agree in trans in the kids.
00:40:39.260 Maybe I don't think that gay marriage is such a great thing. 1.00
00:40:41.780 These are the people that they were destroying.
00:40:43.960 And you're going to tell me that now when people are literally wishing death on the president, people are crying for the next assassin to murder Trump or his supporters.
00:40:56.040 You're telling me that now you're squeamish about some people getting fired.
00:41:01.180 That's not how this works.
00:41:03.780 It ends when the left loses power.
00:41:06.320 It ends when you have victory.
00:41:08.400 Once you have victory, then you can be gracious.
00:41:11.660 Then you can say, you know what, now that we have control of these institutions, now that the left can no longer influence people's firings, people getting arrested, people getting put in jail, people getting sued.
00:41:25.580 Now that the left has lost all of this power, now after all of these things, we can allow you to speak freely on these issues because the people who would punish you on this have no power anymore.
00:41:37.480 But until you achieve that level of victory, unilateral disarmament is insanity.
00:41:43.920 It is suicide.
00:41:45.600 You have lost your mind if that is what you're saying.
00:41:48.660 Now, I will say this.
00:41:51.000 There is a level of priority, target priority that matters.
00:41:56.320 And again, when I say that peacefully, to be very clear, this is only through political pressure.
00:42:01.820 When you are looking at who should be focused on for these kind of remarks, I think targets like Tenacious D or Destiny are perfectly fair game.
00:42:12.920 These are people who have public profiles, who make a living out in the public sphere, who are who are putting themselves out there.
00:42:19.940 They are not civilians.
00:42:21.760 They are people who have chosen to be in the public eye.
00:42:25.260 And when they make statements like that, they know what they're doing.
00:42:27.900 They're also high profile.
00:42:29.200 So it's just more worth your time when these people get canceled, when they face consequences, it is more noticeable.
00:42:36.000 So should you spend all of your time trying to cancel some grandma running a Home Depot cash cashier spot? 0.95
00:42:43.340 No, you should not.
00:42:44.920 That is not that is not a good use of your time.
00:42:47.160 Honestly, running in in front of these people on a cell phone and saying, hey, how could you say that?
00:42:53.240 I'm offended.
00:42:54.500 Honestly, it feels a little a little over feminine.
00:42:56.740 It feels feels very leftist in nature.
00:42:58.340 I would not encourage this.
00:42:59.860 However, I'm also not going to whine or cry about someone like this losing their job because there would not be a tear shed for a conservative who had the same opinion.
00:43:10.640 Imagine, if you will, for a moment, this very, very YouTube, very, very be clear YouTube censors, very, very hypothetical moment in which Barack Obama had dodged a bullet.
00:43:20.940 And a bunch of conservatives came out and said, oh, well, I wish that that the shooter had been more accurate.
00:43:30.520 Imagine conservatives making fun of a leftist who had been killed by a crazy right wing assassin at a Obama rally.
00:43:40.940 What would that look like?
00:43:42.940 What would that look like?
00:43:43.960 To be very clear, we don't we don't have to guess, you know, the FBI has literally kicked in the doors and blown away people who have joked about or have talked about violence against Joe Biden online.
00:43:55.880 You know that if something like that had happened to Barack Obama, especially, but maybe even Joe Biden, that that would be the end of every single person who responded like that on social media.
00:44:07.620 They wouldn't just lose their jobs.
00:44:09.120 They would be destroyed.
00:44:10.780 They would be destroyed in public.
00:44:13.600 They would have probably have to fear for their lives.
00:44:15.800 It would be a complete destruction of them.
00:44:19.500 Now, I'm not saying that to highlight the hypocrisy of the left in this scenario or whatever.
00:44:24.620 What I'm trying to explain to you is what a real response to something like this looks like.
00:44:29.520 That's what the left would do.
00:44:31.760 I understand.
00:44:32.720 I understand I understand that you want a world in which we don't have to worry about the politicalization of people's lives.
00:44:40.480 I want that, too.
00:44:42.220 But we have created the total state and then in the total state, no action is private.
00:44:47.660 I don't want to live in that world.
00:44:49.320 But the way that you stop that is not by giving up all the available weapons on your side politically, tactically.
00:44:57.240 Instead, the way that you get that is by winning.
00:44:59.680 And only in victory can you be magnanimous.
00:45:02.400 It's only in victory can you then extend that open hand.
00:45:06.060 But you must win first.
00:45:09.280 You must win first.
00:45:11.080 You must prioritize that first.
00:45:12.500 And then, then you can go ahead and exercise the principles of things like free speech that you would like to see returned to public life.
00:45:22.320 But that is never going to happen as long as the left is in power.
00:45:25.640 And if the left never feel any consequences, especially when they do something this heinous, they're not just saying, oh, we disagree with a policy.
00:45:33.260 They're not saying, oh, we just we even disagree with your morals, your religion, any of that stuff.
00:45:37.840 They're saying we literally are wishing that this guy had gotten his head plastered all over the TV screen.
00:45:43.300 For everyone to see.
00:45:45.880 That's what they're saying.
00:45:47.180 That should carry weight.
00:45:48.520 That should matter.
00:45:49.380 That is morally indefensible.
00:45:51.540 And that's going to come with public costs.
00:45:54.460 You should not be saying, oh, we need to avoid those.
00:45:56.860 Nope.
00:45:57.140 Sorry.
00:45:57.440 That's not right wing cancel culture. 0.99
00:45:59.420 That's letting a leftist feel the natural consequences of horrific behavior.
00:46:04.460 And it's time for conservative to stop saving the left from their own horrific behavior.
00:46:11.500 That's all the conservative movement does is save the left from their own mistakes, their own abhorrent behavior.
00:46:18.240 Enough of that.
00:46:19.180 No, you need to win.
00:46:20.820 And then, then you can work towards a depoliticized culture, but nothing else is a substitute for victory.
00:46:27.680 All right, guys, let's head over to the questions from the audience here.
00:46:35.100 Florida Henry says, I was in a military unit that worked with the Secret Service and the Capitol Police.
00:46:41.060 The incompetence is very real and extends from the, from federal down to my local job as a firefighter.
00:46:47.420 Unfortunately, I think you're right that there is a large amount of incompetence that exists at these levels.
00:46:53.100 Again, we know very specifically, Chris Ruffo has been collecting the evidence.
00:46:57.680 That the Secret Service has been lowering its hiring standards on purpose to meet DEI requirements.
00:47:04.940 So I, I 100% believe you that this is a real factor.
00:47:08.280 I would imagine perhaps a little more incompetence being focused in the Trump detail here.
00:47:15.120 But you are right that this is a universal phenomenon, unfortunately.
00:47:18.920 Uh, Creepy Weirdo says, Blue Anon is out in full force and it's embarrassing.
00:47:24.100 The left can't expect, uh, can't accept that, uh, they can't twist this in their favor.
00:47:29.400 Yeah, that is a huge issue for them.
00:47:31.260 Obviously, just the optics of the situation are terrible.
00:47:34.200 Uh, you know, all of these guys were probably rooting for the shooter and they all realized once he failed what a mistake that was.
00:47:41.300 Because it has destroyed a lot of their momentum, a lot of their arguments, uh, but they, they need to turn this into a conspiracy.
00:47:47.900 Because if it's not a conspiracy, then that means their assumptions about the world are, uh, seriously messed up.
00:47:53.380 And they are not going to face that fact.
00:47:55.640 Creepy Weirdo also says that possibly destiny don't, or possibly diversity.
00:48:00.300 Don't forget that.
00:48:01.040 Yes.
00:48:01.320 Diversity is, I hear our strength, unless, uh, by strength, you mean, uh, allowing, uh, people to actually protect the president of the United States.
00:48:08.900 Then it might, might hinder us slightly, uh, let's see here, uh, retardingly Oswald says, um, uh, can the federalists, uh, help local DAs charge secret service with neglect for what happened to Corey Camper tour? 0.83
00:48:26.180 Uh, we're going to need a modern Jim Garrison, uh, to avoid fed coverup.
00:48:31.940 Never forget the purpose of the system is what it does.
00:48:35.240 Uh, yeah, I wish Sean was around for that, but that's a great question and something that a lot of people should be looking into.
00:48:41.400 I know there are more legal, uh, activists now in places like the America first legal who are taking up the kind of cases that you're talking about.
00:48:50.380 I'm not familiar with the law in this area, so I would be completely just talking off the top of my head.
00:48:55.420 So I'm not going to speculate on who can be held accountable, what avenues there are for legal recourse here.
00:49:01.380 But if they exist, this absolutely should happen.
00:49:04.600 And that's a great, uh, suggestion.
00:49:06.320 I will, uh, I will float that to people who I know who may be able to answer that question.
00:49:12.360 Uh, Kripper Weir says, we are all Omega men now.
00:49:15.980 Uh, he also says, uh, it's the consequence.
00:49:19.380 It's the consequence culture.
00:49:20.820 Eat it leftoid.
00:49:21.660 Yeah.
00:49:21.820 They, they love to, to have that consequence culture.
00:49:25.000 Uh, it turns out that, uh, you know, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.
00:49:29.700 Um, it seems like maybe they might be losing some of that now.
00:49:32.980 Uh, Dan over at the Lotus Eaters.
00:49:35.020 Thank you very much, sir.
00:49:36.420 He says, uh, Trump jumped up and said, fight, fight, fight with a bullet wound in his ear.
00:49:40.240 Right-wing commentators heard immediately surrender this opportunity to the left and get back to left-wing cancel culture.
00:49:46.640 Uh, yeah, to be fair, that is what a large amount of the conservative, conservative commentariat is based on.
00:49:52.420 Uh, but you know, that's why we're here to set them straight.
00:49:54.940 Hopefully, um, more and more people are learning to turn that junk off and, uh, go ahead and encourage their politicians, encourage, uh, their leaders to take a more active role in what's going on here.
00:50:09.540 Uh, what a minute, uh, with a minute ago, with a minute to go says, good answer to Glenn Grewald on cancel culture.
00:50:17.260 Thank you.
00:50:18.000 No problem.
00:50:18.580 I have only seen Glenn, uh, speaking briefly on this.
00:50:21.500 I would be more than happy to talk to Glenn again.
00:50:23.420 We've always meant to do, he's been on the show one time and we've always meant to do another show.
00:50:27.460 And I would really like to talk to him, uh, on a couple separate issues.
00:50:31.400 Uh, but that would be a great, a great one.
00:50:33.420 I'm not sure what he said on this, but, uh, hopefully I did accurately go ahead and answer that.
00:50:38.980 And then Chris says, uh, most DEI acolytes underestimate the amount of focus it takes to keep, uh, competence ties in, uh, ties into their worldview that the old regime didn't earn it.
00:50:51.600 Yeah, that's very true, right?
00:50:52.800 It's important for them to believe that they've progressed beyond all of these regimes.
00:50:56.880 And that means all these previous hierarchies of competence, uh, must be obsolete in some way.
00:51:02.480 And so they don't recognize that the diversification itself, which is its own goal, uh, also is driving them towards a system that will eventually wound itself, uh, mortally.
00:51:15.220 However, they can't agree with that because that's what their entire ruling formula is based on.
00:51:20.100 If they abandon that ideology, then there's not much left to sell their supporters.
00:51:24.260 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.
00:51:26.920 I want to thank everybody for coming on.
00:51:28.760 Thanks Sean for coming on.
00:51:30.420 Uh, fantastic.
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00:52:01.900 Of course, my new book that is out, uh, Charles Haywood, uh, was kind enough to just do a very, uh, kind review of it.
00:52:08.560 So you can check that out.
00:52:09.420 I linked that on the community tab of the show.
00:52:12.380 Uh, but also it describes many of the, uh, phenomenons that we discussed here.
00:52:17.420 And of course it is, uh, got a nice, uh, blurb on the front cover from Molly Hemingway, who is of course, Sean's colleague over at the fed list.
00:52:26.140 Thank you once again, everyone for watching.
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