On today's show, Oren McInnes and Rachel Maddow discuss all the latest on the latest in the 2020 election, including the latest polling numbers, the latest CNN poll numbers, and more. They also discuss whether or not there's any reason to believe that Hillary Clinton is actually going to beat Donald Trump on Tuesday night.
00:21:30.060But realizing that if you take the time now, something will be better in the future, right?
00:21:34.140If you delay gratification, if you say, oh, I'm going to put off the things that I want immediately, recognizing that putting in the work now, the duty, the planning, the dedication, that I have a low time preference because ultimately I recognize that this is going to be valuable.
00:21:49.960A lot of people will tie this to, you know, different regional cultures.
00:21:53.940You know, for instance, people say, oh, you know, like, for instance, I live in Florida.
00:21:57.300I have bananas and papayas growing in my backyard.
00:22:01.260If food trucks didn't arrive at the grocery store tomorrow, if they didn't arrive at a grocery store for a month, I would be fine because there's just so much food that grows here naturally.
00:22:14.240I don't have to have a high time preference or I don't have to have a low time preference.
00:22:18.440I can have a high time preference and still feed myself theoretically if I wanted to because of the way the land works here.
00:22:24.820You know, some people will say, oh, well, you know, in places where land, you know, the food is not abundant, that builds a lower time preference because you have to cultivate, you have to sow, you have to be prepared.
00:22:36.260You will go through a winter with no food and that kind of trains you to have a low time preference because if you don't have a low time preference, you die, right?
00:22:44.260Now, I don't think this is a perfect one-to-one, you know, this is a demonstration of how you could get time preference, but there are, you know, cultures where this, you know, doesn't necessarily work.
00:22:53.720You know, Eskimos have a lot of snow and, you know, they didn't build like low time preference, you know, high civilization.
00:23:02.280So it's not always a one-to-one, but it is an explanation that people often kind of put out there for where this comes from.
00:23:08.940Either way, this is a known phenomenon.
00:23:10.760Like, this is in economics, you can, if you've ever heard of the famous marshmallow experiment, right?
00:23:16.340They give kids a marshmallow and they say, okay, you can eat the marshmallow now, or if you wait 10 minutes, you can get two marshmallows.
00:23:26.200And the kid who eats the marshmallow now is considered to have a high time preference, right?
00:23:30.920They could just easily delay the experience for only 10 minutes and they could have double the thing that they want.
00:23:36.880But they're unable to control their impulses, they have too high of a time preference, it demonstrates a lack of ability to plan for the future.
00:23:45.880It's a small thing, obviously, with just the marshmallow, but the idea is that this, you know, works in adults too and it plays out.
00:23:51.740Same, you know, if you're a kid who was able to delay the 10 minutes, well, then you have a low time preference.
00:23:57.780You have impulse control, you have agency, you can control your desires.
00:24:02.740Now, to be clear, again, that's not always like, you know, there is such a thing as analysis paralysis over planning, right?
00:24:11.840Like, there is a moment, you know, fortune does often favor the bold, those that are able to act in the moment.
00:24:19.020So, you know, long-term planning isn't always the best thing, but it often is, especially on a social level, right?
00:24:25.980And the higher the complexity gets in the society, the more we want low time preference.
00:24:31.500In fact, you know, Nick Land says in the Dark Enlightenment that, you know, complexity in society is basically synonymous with low time preference.
00:24:39.680That you're accumulating civilizational capital by, you know, kind of building this out on a long term.
00:24:45.860You know, building that skill to always delay gratification, always put in the groundwork.
00:24:50.600And we can see this in our politics today, right?
00:24:53.600Like, the time preference is very high, especially in the Democratic Party, but not just in the Democratic Party.
00:25:00.800You know, increasingly, the Republican Party, even Donald Trump is recognizing that, you know, giving people stuff is a winning strategy, right?
00:25:09.620We're going to get all this stuff for you.
00:25:11.200Like, that's something that people are understanding increasingly.
00:25:14.040And so, you know, there is, especially in democracy, when you're trying to buy the votes, which is the best strategy in democracy, you know, high time preference is a winning strategy short term, but it is a losing strategy.
00:25:28.060You're hollowing out the ability of your civilization to kind of coordinate in the long term.
00:25:32.940So I think we got high and low time preference here.
00:25:35.840Next thing we want to talk about is the importance of expectations, right?
00:25:40.420A lot of people will call this social cohesion or social fabric.
00:25:45.240You've probably heard these terms around.
00:25:47.220But what they're really talking about is the ability for, in any given interaction, for you and I to be able to predict each other's behavior.
00:25:59.120A high-trust society is one in which I can walk into a situation and know that I can trust you to do the thing that we as a society agree upon as the right thing to do.
00:26:12.260And so, you know, the cart is just the most basic manifestation of that, right?
00:26:15.860Again, there is no cop over your shoulder.
00:26:21.160There is no fine for not returning the cart.
00:26:23.900No one is going to come and put you in jail.
00:26:25.900You're not even technically breaking the law.
00:26:55.540And this has much wider implications, right?
00:26:58.300So, for instance, right now we're in a scenario where a lot of the technology that our society is built on, our society is built on, is high trust, assumes a level of high trust, right?
00:27:10.720So, for instance, people are noticing that all of these store shelves are currently getting locked up.
00:27:17.000Targets and drug stores in particular areas where there's a lot of crime are suddenly locking up everything, right?
00:27:24.980You used to just have these little tags on certain items, but now everything is behind glass.
00:27:32.100Well, we took it for granted because it's our culture, our expectation of a high trust society that you could just leave items on shelves, generally out of view of most people.
00:27:44.760And most people would just leave them there unless they plan to buy them.
00:27:50.920And then when they pick them up, they would go and pay for them.
00:27:54.340And, yeah, we have got security cameras and little tags hidden and stuff now as the trust level has gone down.
00:28:00.740But even that requires a certain level of trust because now we're seeing that people are taking the extra step of locking them behind glass, right?
00:28:09.720This is not the way that you would live in a high trust society.
00:28:14.320We both know, hey, there's there's an expectation.
00:28:19.120This belongs to somebody who is part of my society, who's part of my civilization.
00:28:24.260I recognize our shared expectation of a functioning society.
00:28:29.000And so because we have this high level of trust, I know that I can put things that are valuable on a shelf and they will stay there unless you plan to give me money for them.
00:28:39.300And, you know, ideally, I don't need security cameras and I don't need security personnel in a truly high trust society.
00:28:47.260I can just leave a very valuable thing around and it's not a problem.
00:28:51.040You guys have probably seen the honesty box and, you know, like, you know, these rural areas where people just leave eggs or, you know, something and you can just leave money for them.
00:29:32.380It's a scenario in which you don't have to worry about this.
00:29:35.340We can think of this behavior when it comes to, you know, a neighborhood where everyone feels like they have to lock their doors and have bars on the windows and shutters.
00:29:44.700We can think about this in all kinds of different areas where we have these expectations of trust.
00:29:52.000And these are important for the functioning of our society.
00:29:54.600The more we can't trust each other, the more we don't have these social expectations, the more we have to invest in enforcement mechanisms for them.
00:30:04.720So, for instance, you know, one way that grocery stores are trying to phase out a lot of employees, which I think is a bad thing, is through the automation of the of the of the of the self-checkout.
00:30:47.740But ultimately, if you want to, let's be honest, you can easily leave a large number of items out of your checkout and probably not get caught.
00:30:57.520That's just the very likely scenario in many interactions with a self-checkout.
00:31:02.680The self-checkout is predicated upon the idea that you're not going to steal,
00:31:08.040that you would be willing to walk up and say, oh, these are the items I picked up and these are the items I'm going to purchase.
00:31:14.980And I'm not going to hide some under my card or I'm not going to just swipe the one that's, you know, inexpensive while holding the expensive one to treat.
00:31:22.820You know, like there's a lot of things you could do to manipulate the system.
00:31:25.980It's not it's not a very robust security system, even if you've got the cameras, even if you've got the, you know, the the the weight measurement on the on the pedestal and everything.
00:31:38.080Ultimately, it really is mostly relying on you doing the right thing.
00:31:42.000And this is true across so many of our interactions.
00:31:45.340We're just basically assuming people will do the right thing.
00:31:52.080You know, maybe because it's illegal in the case of the self-checkout, it is illegal to steal.
00:31:56.280But in many cases, you know, it's really important to, you know, just because it allows our society to function.
00:32:01.880The fact that people, you know, pull their car off the road when it's possible, if they break down, which allows everybody else to pass, like they go through the effort.
00:32:09.580They don't just stop in the middle of the road and, you know, pull pull everything out and try to figure out what's going on in the middle of the road.
00:32:15.200They say, oh, my first duty is to not block other people.
00:32:19.180Right. Or if you're sitting in line and you're waiting to purchase something or you're at a you're at a restaurant counter and there's a bunch of other people who have already gone before you.
00:32:29.020And, you know, it's the guy who doesn't take his time and look at what he's going to order.
00:32:33.360He's been sitting on his phone the whole time.
00:32:34.760He gets there. He forgets what he was going to order.
00:32:41.260He could have been spending the last five minutes figuring out what he wanted and been ready to order the minute he got there, but he was too self-absorbed.
00:32:47.880Like, those are all things that aren't illegal.
00:32:50.740No one's going to arrest you for not being prepared once you get to the front of the line.
00:32:55.440However, the fact that you didn't do it is going to hold up everybody else.
00:32:59.860And if everyone does this, then it delays the process of everything.
00:33:03.960So there's just so many things in our society that assume that we are going to have a certain level of social coordination.
00:33:11.080I don't know how true the story is, but I heard it.
00:33:13.640So I'll just tell it because it's a good illustration.
00:33:17.080And, you know, we hear all these things about the Soviet Union, but maybe this one's overblown, but it sounds realistic.
00:33:23.800You know, in certain countries where, you know, this kind of expectation is broken down, black markets arise and things like windshield wipers, which you would assume are not very valuable, but are very easy to steal because they're not really locked down, become a problem, right?
00:33:41.260Like the windshield wiper blades, you could grab them and sell them for like 20 bucks.
00:33:46.060And so, you know, people in any reasonably trusting society just leave their windshield wiper blades on their car, even though technically someone could steal them because ultimately it's not that high dollar value of an item.
00:33:59.700And you just trust people ultimately, like maybe they'd be tempted if you had gold bars sitting on the front of your car, but in a relatively high trust society, you don't have to worry about this, right?
00:34:11.200However, in societies where that trust is broken down and you can you can sell these things on the black market and people are desperate, then leaving your your windshield wiper blades is a liability because every time you come out on a regular basis, you know, they've been stolen.
00:34:27.260And anyone who's lived in one of these high crime areas with a lot of drug addicts who are looking for things to hawk for, you know, know this, right?
00:34:34.620Like people will run around stripping the copper out of out of houses and things to try to sell them, that kind of stuff.
00:34:40.980So if you're in this scenario, you know, windshield wipers seem pretty obvious.
00:34:45.100You just turn them on when it starts raining and it's very simple.
00:34:49.220However, if you have to worry about people constantly stealing your windshield wipers, well, then you might take them off, right?
00:34:56.900And that's what happened in this in the story about kind of a Soviet Union satellite that was falling apart, that they had to remove the windshield wipers to make sure that they get stolen.
00:35:07.200Well, what happens in that scenario is, yeah, you're normally just driving on a rainy day and you have to turn on the windshield wipers as soon as it starts raining.
00:35:15.320But if you live in a society that is low trust, where everyone is worried about constantly having their windshield wipers stolen, then what happens is everyone keeps them in the car and they have to stop.
00:35:26.900Get out of the car, install the windshield wipers and then get back in the car and turn them on once it starts raining.
00:35:34.200And so now traffic, anytime it starts raining, immediately comes to a complete stop.
00:35:39.360And the system that otherwise would have worked very easily, very, you know, very, very well breaks down because you have to like stop all of traffic the minute it starts raining for every person who was scared of their windshield wipers getting stolen to take them out of the car, install them, get back in the car, turn them on.
00:35:57.740Just a small example, again, if something you take for granted, of course, I'm driving in traffic, it starts raining, I hit a button on my car, I flip the lever on my car, and then the windshield wipers go on.
00:36:09.380Something you just assume to be naturally true, of course I can do this, right?
00:36:13.540However, in a society where this isn't the case, you end up in a very bad scenario, it delays the functioning of everything in your society.
00:36:22.940Well, we are now seeing this at scale, right?
00:36:25.200This is really where the shopping cart meme gets serious.
00:36:28.620So now we've reached the part where we're kind of moved beyond the joke, but it really becomes serious.
00:36:34.140You should be returning the shopping cart, by the way, guys, don't be an animal.
00:36:36.900But the reason that so much of our society has broken down, the reason that it's becoming more and more difficult for us to operate at a large scale, our complex society, is that we've lost so many of these behaviors.
00:36:52.040So much of our complex society was built around the idea of a high-trust society, one in which the cart would be returned, right?
00:36:59.520And we just didn't have to tell everyone constantly to do the right thing.
00:37:03.220We didn't have to force them to do the right thing.
00:37:04.860We didn't have to compel social cooperation on a regular basis.
00:37:09.000It occurred because we shared the same culture.
00:37:11.560We shared the same understanding of a way of being.
00:37:15.100We knew what should be done, and we did it.
00:37:17.380And when you have a society like that, then you can reach for the stars.
00:37:23.380You can literally go to Mars because you have a society in which a lot of the friction of society is gone because you're all working on the same page.
00:37:32.040You understand something important about society.
00:37:35.180You make sure that everyone is meeting that expectation.
00:37:38.140And then we don't have to constantly guess.
00:37:40.080Like, is that person going to conform?
00:37:51.160Like, I don't have to worry about these things because the assumption is there, right?
00:37:56.240And people will look at a place like Singapore and say, well, you know, you can do a lot of that stuff now, but it comes with a high degree of authoritarianism, right?
00:38:04.760Like, the penalty – Singapore is a place that has a lot of different people.
00:38:10.200They have different ethnicities, different religions, all living in the same place.
00:38:13.680But what allows this multicultural society to flourish is basically very harsh authoritarianism and the removal of, you know, basically democracy in that scenario.
00:38:23.800Everyone has to conform because they're – you know, the law is very strict.
00:38:38.320It gets done through harsh government interference.
00:38:41.060Well, the United States is increasingly a place – and many Western countries are increasingly a place – where we've encouraged diversity, right?
00:38:57.520They can assimilate to become valuable parts of society.
00:39:00.140We've assimilated plenty of people into becoming good Americans.
00:39:02.480However, the more people you bring in, from the farther away you bring them in, the more – you know, the different – the more diverse the cultures get, the harder it gets to do this, right?
00:39:11.920When it's like one degree of separation away, it's easier to assimilate people into this understanding.
00:39:17.500The further away it gets, the harder it gets.
00:39:20.280And the more people who come in, the harder it gets.
00:39:22.880And the more that people, you know, kind of live together, they kind of live in ghettos or enclaves, they don't become part of the society, the harder it gets.
00:39:31.360So we've been doing all of the wrong things.
00:39:33.400We're bringing in a lot of people from as diverse nations as possible and bring them in in large chunks so that they can kind of live together in a specific area so they don't have to, you know, go ahead and integrate.
00:39:45.820And you end up in this scenario, right?
00:39:47.680You end up in this situation where no one is actually assimilating because they don't have to.
00:39:52.880You've eliminated all the things that would actually compel anyone to assimilate to this way of being, right, to this understanding.
00:40:00.440However, this – you know, all of society degrades this way.
00:40:03.180There are plenty of people who are – you know, were born and raised in America at this point that will not return the cart.
00:40:09.980And so it's not just like, oh, well, people come from another place and they don't do it.
00:40:13.980Like there are plenty of people who live in the United States who have also lost this ability, you know, this level of self-control.
00:40:20.280They have too much – their time preference is too high.
00:40:24.100They've been told that they don't need to care about others, right, ultimately.
00:40:27.360And so we end up in this scenario where our social cohesion breaks down.
00:40:31.100Now, I wanted to talk on the – kind of before we wrap this up and look at a few more memes, I wanted to talk on the kind of the way that the left and the right destroy this social coordination, the way that both sides end up destroying the shopping cart rule.
00:40:46.420Now, from the left, the shopping cart nationalism is destroyed generally by this idea that there's something wrong with having this unified understanding.
00:40:58.020And you have seen this all over the place, I'm sure, before with all this DEI stuff, right?
00:41:46.640If you don't have a predominant culture, then there's nothing for people to join, right?
00:41:52.780That's why diversity is never your strength.
00:41:55.120That's why multiculturalism never works.
00:41:57.360Because if you don't have one ideal that people are kind of moving towards as part of the society, if you don't have a shared moral vision, if you don't have a shared social understanding, then there's nothing for people to assimilate to.
00:42:11.300You can't bring anyone new in because anyone new you bring in is allowed to do whatever they want, and they have no need to understand what you are trying to move towards.
00:42:21.040And so for the left, they say, oh, well, there can't be one way that everybody has to do things, right?
00:42:25.380We can't have this Christian understanding of morals.
00:42:29.600We can't have this European understanding of social structures.
00:42:32.800We can't have this colonialist understanding or whatever.
00:42:35.980They come out with all of these ways to attack the idea that, no, we should have a predominant understanding of what our culture is.
00:42:44.640And if people are allowed to join, that's great.
00:42:47.400If they're given the privilege of joining, that's fantastic.
00:42:53.920You don't want to go to Paris and find out that they don't do anything the way that French people do.
00:42:58.900You don't want to go to London and find out they don't do anything the way the English do, which, by the way, is exactly how those cities basically run at this point, having visited both of them.
00:43:07.880You don't want to go to the United States and find out that they don't do anything the way that the United States used to do it, because that was the whole reason you were supposed to come.
00:43:15.540We're now in the scenario where immigrants are showing up and saying, I'm not going to stay here because it's not anything like I expected it to be.
00:43:37.660And that's the scenario you're in when you kind of reject this idea that there's one unified way of being that comes to dominate a specific culture.
00:43:47.020That doesn't mean everything's exactly the same.
00:43:48.580It doesn't mean you have to run around smacking everyone with a ruler every time they get something wrong.
00:43:53.280But there's a general understanding that, yeah, no, we will have this way that we do things and we will culturally enforce it.
00:44:00.840You don't have to have a police officer sitting there writing you a ticket every time that you have a shopping cart out of place, because ultimately we understand that everyone's going to kind of look at you weird and you're going to know you did the wrong thing.
00:44:12.580And, uh, all right, I should probably go ahead and do that.
00:44:15.700Like just that basic social, uh, you know, guardrail does a lot.
00:44:21.000That's when you don't need totalitarianism.
00:44:22.740Like you don't need to have a highly authoritarian government when you have that expectation, because like the virtue of your society, the social fabric of your society already exists.
00:44:33.240And you don't have to compel it with law constantly.
00:44:37.800They break down the shared understanding, the shared goal of what you should be doing.
00:44:42.200On the other side of this, you have the, uh, you have the, uh, Republican or the, the right wing, uh, you know, kind of libertarian answer, which is, oh, well, uh, economically, uh, this creates jobs, right?
00:44:56.020Like the, the fact that we leave these carts around, uh, creates jobs.
00:45:00.320Someone gets paid to go out and pick those carts up.
00:45:02.940And so you're creating economic activity by not returning the shopping cart.
00:45:07.340And even people who work at, you know, grocery stores will say this, you know, the people will say, Hey, you know, the best part of my day when I was working in a grocery store was going out and get the, getting the carts.
00:45:21.900I want to be able to, you know, I guess, you know, catch a cigarette was what they used to do on those breaks or whatever, but you know what I'm saying?
00:46:14.060Because like I was saying, the fact that people have to run around and enforce this stuff, the fact that you have to employ people to do these things, reduce it, you know, reduces your, uh, uh, the kind of the fluid nature of your society.
00:46:28.860The fact that you, you know, people don't do the right thing means you have to employ people to take care and do the things that they were supposed to do.
00:46:35.660Now, yes, technically that is economic activity, but that is a very short sighted way to view this.
00:46:40.840That's a very economics, you know, spreadsheet way to view this because longterm, this is going to cost your society things.
00:46:47.760You, you only have to pay someone a little more to have them go get the cart.
00:46:51.100It doesn't seem like a big deal, but that means that the people who are getting the cart don't have, you know, there's a certain level of impulse control that they lose.
00:46:58.360And they, they take that lack of impulse control and they move it into things like dealing with their family or dealing with their job.
00:47:04.880Let's say they do a really, uh, complex job, like, uh, working at, uh, SpaceX, right?
00:47:10.740You, you want them to have that low time preference.
00:47:13.600You want them to have that impulse control.
00:47:15.260You want them to have trained that across many different parts of, of their life.
00:47:19.860Again, I used to be a high school teacher.
00:47:28.760Even something simple, you know, that that's technological.
00:47:31.280It's not even necessarily moral, like moving from paper to, uh, laptops, right?
00:47:37.100The fact that kids had, uh, had to keep a binder in order and had to organize it and store their work and keep an eye on things.
00:47:45.460That built a certain level of responsibility, uh, you know, change the way that they approach things.
00:47:51.540And that transfers over to many other things that they do in life, even though it seems like a small thing by managing that small responsibility.
00:47:59.000And this is just a basic biblical truth, right?
00:48:01.360He who has been, you know, faithful with, with little can then, you know, be trusted with more.
00:48:06.780If you're unfaithful with a little, you're not going to be given more.
00:48:09.000And this is a very similar, you know, just scenario that you see play out over and over again, is that people who squander the small things who don't build that discipline in the small things ultimately can't build the great things.
00:48:21.020And so a society where you have to pay people to go get the cart, yeah, technically you're generating economic activity.
00:48:27.780Maybe even the people getting paid to do, to do the, the task are happy that they get that break from whatever else they were doing, but ultimately it's not good for society.
00:48:36.940Also, you see this with people who make the same argument with say like the, the Aldi quarter return, right?
00:48:42.540Well, we can train people of into this behavior by, by compelling it with a quarter.
00:48:49.060If society has broken down, if you have to do this, right, then it's better than nothing.
00:48:53.760Ultimately the, all the, the Aldi quarter return cart is a compromise, right?
00:48:59.620It's saying, well, the people are no longer virtuous enough to perform this task on their own, but we can compel their behavior with the quarter.
00:49:09.420We're not, we're not going to pay someone else to do it.
00:49:11.080We're going to make them do it, right?
00:49:12.560We're going to train them to do it for us.
00:49:15.240And we actually see this all over the place.
00:49:17.840Additionally, you know, or especially as our social fabric breaks down, more and more corporations are having to train people to do behaviors that they used to do naturally through this kind of manipulation.
00:49:31.460Again, it's better than a parking lot full of carts sitting in the parking spaces, but it is ultimately a degradation of what the shopping cart represents.
00:49:42.600The thing that the shopping cart really represents is not whether or not the cart is back in the corral.
00:49:48.140Well, the thing it represents is you have a society where people care enough about social expectations and each other kind of make this a normal thing that they do.
00:49:57.740And so if you have to compel it with the quarter, that's a breakdown.
00:50:00.520And also I've been in these scenarios where you have the Aldi, you're right, you're right next to another store and people often people who aren't from here, you know, will come in and they will take carts from the other store and they will take them in.
00:50:15.700So they will just steal carts from the store next door in that cart corral and they will take that one in instead of using a quarter to get the one from Aldi because then they'd have to return it and they can't be bothered to either prepare and bring a quarter or return the cart when they're done.
00:50:31.400And so they just take a cart from another store like an absolute animal and then bring it in and they go shopping with that.
00:50:38.300And so that's the way that a lot of people approach that.
00:50:40.460So that's just what I wanted to lay out, guys.
00:50:42.600Again, maybe not our most esoteric theory episode of the show, but I do think the shopping cart nationalism matters.
00:50:52.040I think that a world in which people return the shopping cart, not just at the grocery store, but in every aspect of life, is a better world.
00:51:00.080I think it takes a certain level of kind of duty that you have to the people around you, which requires you to have a certain level of social cohesion.
00:51:07.600You need to share certain beliefs about the way that things should be.
00:51:11.700These are often religious beliefs, but they don't always necessarily have to be, but they usually are tied to some kind of religious paradigm, understanding of the way things should be.
00:51:21.040And so I think, you know, as we see these different aspects of our society break down, thinking about how we can return a certain level of order, restoring our order, some would say, is important.
00:51:35.540And we can do this with just thinking about things like shopping carts.
00:51:39.240Some of the memes that people sent in, I asked people to send some of their best memes.
00:51:43.260We'll hit those real quick before we go.
00:51:45.140We got the White Boy Summer Apparel guys.
00:51:48.360Apparently, they have a put-it-back shirt, which is excellent.
00:51:50.860You can have high style while reminding people to lower their time preference and be pro-social.
00:51:56.580People sent me the, you know, kind of reject, regeneracy, return, return your carts, which is a good one here.
00:52:50.020So, we're, you know, we're thinking about the implications here.
00:52:54.200And then Tiny Stupid Demon says, so if someone has to break out their toolbox in the parking lot and start fixing their wobbly wheels, would you make the, would that make them a shopping cart fascist?
00:53:12.140Yeah, if you're there making sure that all the shopping carts are in working order, you cannot survive in a world where shopping carts are not properly put in their place.
00:53:22.900And you demand that even the wheels be, you know, properly aligned.
00:53:27.120Then, yeah, you may be showing some of those tendencies, the authoritarian personality that they warned about.
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