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Most Americans have been aware of Anthony Fauci since the outbreak of the deadly 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic. But Dr. Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist from Rutgers University, has been on his radar since the 2001 anthrax scare. In the latest episode of Matt Keeby's documentary series, The Cover-up, he joins Dr. Ebright as he walks us through a series of embarrassments that begin with the recreation of the Spanish Flu and culminates in the coming of COVID-19.
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This is Jordan Peterson's answer to, I guess, the World Economic Forum, recognizing that there is going to be some level of international coordination or understanding or at least exchange of best practices
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and trying to provide a forum for the people who are opposed to kind of progressive globalism.
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It's a very interesting event, a lot happening there, a lot of very important people.
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And I thought it would be interesting to go ahead and break down the good, the bad, and the ugly from this event.
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I think there were some very positive outcomes, but I think there's also a lot of ways in which the event is lagging behind some of the current political developments,
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especially in the United States, and so I was going to give you my impression on what's going on because I think this ultimately serves more as a snapshot of where the Overton window is.
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What can sensible centrists discuss with kind of the IDW crowd, with the people who, the rational centrists, the classical liberals?
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How can we approach these things? Where are they at? Not just in the United States, but Australia, the UK, and Canada.
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So like I said, went over to London, had some exciting times getting stranded in JFK as I tried to make my way over there.
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So if I did an interview or two over there that sounds incoherent, it's mainly because I didn't sleep pretty much at all for the first few days.
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That kind of a rundown part of the facility itself is very nice.
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The Excel is obviously a good conference center.
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However, it's kind of placed in an area that's had a little bit of trouble in London, which only highlighted the importance, I suppose, of the conference itself.
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This is the conference that is put on by Jordan Peterson, and it is, again, a kind of answer to the WEF, recognizing that you are going to have some level of counter elite if you want to organize a real response to Klaus Schwab and the others that are kind of trying to do this global governance thing.
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Now, there are other conferences out there in a similar vein, NatCon, one that I spoke at in D.C. last year, and I'll do a little bit of compare and contrast with these two because I do think there's an important emphasis that really changed the way that the conference was handled.
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I want to say at the outset that I do think there were positives about this conference.
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A lot of people, I tweeted out one or two things about some of the worst negatives, and, of course, that's what gets highlighted.
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So I'd like to say at the beginning that I like Jordan Peterson.
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You know, don't agree with him on everything, obviously, but I think he's ultimately a force for good, even though ups and downs around.
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I respect the fact that he is putting out the kind of efforts necessary to organize something like this.
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And so anyone really putting themselves out and trying to build alternative institutions, that's what we talk about all the time.
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So while I might have some critiques here or there, understand that they are ultimately constructive critiques.
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I appreciate the level of effort put into something like this.
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I also really respect some of the people involved, guys like Jonathan Peugeot, Mary Harrington, other people who are involved in advising what's going on, who are on stage, James Poulos.
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So what you really had in this scenario was a wide tent in a way that even NatCon isn't.
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NatCon is a wide tent for American conservatism.
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About I heard a quarter of the attendees were from the United States.
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But of course, you had large contingents from the UK, from Canada, from Australia.
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It did seem to mainly be focused on Anglosphere countries, though you had people from France and others as well.
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But it definitely definitely felt like that the Anglosphere was heavily focused on and represented at the conference.
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And it's also not specifically right wing or conservative.
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I think anyone who's a leftist would probably have identified everyone there as a right winger.
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But as someone who is a right winger, I could easily recognize that a good chunk of the people.
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It's moderate conservatives, centrists and moderate liberals who all kind of want to oppose the more radical globalist progressive agenda.
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So it's kind of exactly who you would expect to be.
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It's a lot of the IDW crowd, guys like Douglas Murray, ladies like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Eric Weinstein, you know, the guys that have been circling this whole thing for a long time.
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And you could see this in the speakers and the presenters who were on stage.
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And that was kind of my first, I would say, criticism or constructive criticism with the conference.
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And one of the problems that you have with a large tent is, of course, not everybody's on board with the same thing, which isn't a problem.
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Ultimately, it's a good thing if you're trying to resolve some of the problems inside of a coalition.
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However, if you only have a main stage where people are doing presentations and very little back and forth, very little dialogue, then it becomes difficult to actually resolve any of those contradictions inside your coalition.
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And you really just end up with the people with the highest profile preaching to the choir that they always preach to.
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Many of the speeches were long, took up most of the time.
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There's usually a panel that followed the speeches, but they were almost always extremely short, just a few minutes for each speaker.
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They only had maybe two or three minutes and they were never actually really interacting with each other.
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For the most part, there wasn't a lot of debate happening.
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And so if the purpose of the conference is to resolve differences in the coalition, having a main stage focused conference where very little discussion occurred makes that pretty difficult.
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And you can see that reflected over and over again.
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Everyone I talked to would say, hey, yeah, they finally got to some of the things that I wanted to hear, the things that I wanted to understand.
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And everybody who was discussing it got like two minutes and there was time to go to the next thing.
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I'm not saying that there weren't good speeches there.
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I'm just saying that because there was so little interaction ultimately between different positions or even acknowledgement often of different positions inside, you didn't really get much.
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Like you kind of had a free trade versus tariffs thing.
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And that was more or less the extent to which we saw significant differences on stage.
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Now, I should say at the outset that I attended an okay number of the talks, but ultimately these conferences are much more about what happens in kind of the meeting rooms.
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It's about the networking and the connections made to the people you're talking to as much as it is about the speeches on stage.
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So if you're just looking at the plenary speeches, then you're missing the point of the conference.
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If you only spend your time listening, if you ever go to one of these things, if you spend your time only listening to the speakers, then you're missing out on what the conference is really about.
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So I didn't see every one of these, maybe some super-based stuff happen or some really big debates happen in the ones I wasn't in.
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One contrast between NatCon and this conference is that NatCon had the main stage, but then it had breakout sessions after every main stage discussion.
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And so you could go to the main stage and it had the guys you would expect.
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But then you would go to the different breakout sessions and they would be focused on very specific issues.
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They would have a short, you know, five to ten minute speech from each person on the panel and then a good amount of actual back and forth, both between the panelists and then questions from the audience.
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And this created an atmosphere where it felt like we were really getting perspectives more often, right?
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We're drilling down into very specific issues and collections of people who are addressing those issues.
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And also much more time was given for debate if you wanted to understand them.
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Now, obviously, that creates a different atmosphere because you're definitely not going to hear everything at NatCon.
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Between the main stage speakers and the breakouts, no one could attend anything.
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And so that meant you kind of had to find what you cared about, lock in on that, and then kind of recognize that some of that's going to go by the wayside.
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If you're someone who's trying to consume every, you know, big tier speaker, then the ARC format works better for that because everyone's kind of brought in.
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However, that also means that there's very little discussion debate.
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Now, again, a lot of this happens once you leave those main discussions.
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Once you go into there, have like this big meeting hall with all the vendors and meeting places you get together, where the food would be and all that stuff.
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And you could go there and you would meet up with people and talk.
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And obviously, there you could do some networking.
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But again, because you didn't have the kind of tributaries flowing out from the main river, it was easy to get lost.
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If you didn't know who you were looking for, then it could be difficult to network.
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It was a very good opportunity to meet a lot of people that have only ever been on their show or they've only ever been on my show or we've kind of tweeted at each other, never got to have a one-on-one conversation.
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But if I was just someone thrown into the deep end of this pool, not knowing anyone, not knowing what was going on, I don't think I would have been able to find easily kind of what was happening.
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Now, they have an app and the app lets you kind of message people, make connections, and that was good.
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I think that's a positive thing that perhaps something like NatCon could have taken away from this conference.
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But ultimately, the conference made it difficult to, again, kind of delve deeper in.
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And there was also the problem of it felt like most of the speakers were very mainstream.
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You're trying to bring in the biggest names, the heaviest hitters.
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This draws attention to your conference, these kind of things.
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However, it means that all of your guys, it kind of, you know, they have a similar flavor, right?
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Like there is a difference between, say, Eric Weinstein and, I don't know, Douglas Murray, right?
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But ultimately, you don't have anyone who's really pushing the Overton window, who's really bringing a fresh perspective.
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Again, not to dunk on any of those speakers, but they just, they're well known, right?
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Like, and they're saying things that we are familiar with them saying.
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And that's why they're there, because they're famous for saying them.
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But in that scenario, you really want to be able to bring up with you some people who are going to say something different, right?
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So you bring the big hitters, people are there to see Jordan Peterson, they're there to see Douglas Murray, they're there to see, you know, Nigel Farage and these guys.
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And then while they're there, they also get to hear, you know, maybe some people who are a little further down the totem pole when it comes to notability.
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But they ultimately are bringing something new to the discussion.
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And the format of it just made it difficult for that to happen.
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And so that was kind of my first issue with kind of the way that the conference was organized.
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Like, that's not probably what you're here to listen to.
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That's probably not the most exciting thing to start with.
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But it was kind of an overall problem in the conference that created some of the other symptoms that kind of leaked out of it.
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And so it's very natural for a guy like me who shows up to find the level of discourse inadequate.
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There's not a lot of people with my position there.
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There's not a lot of people who are even familiar, perhaps, with some of the arguments or issues that I would necessarily want to address.
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And so I'm going to, in a way, again, NatCon, I had my own criticisms of NatCon as well.
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But NatCon is definitely a conservative conference, right?
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The fact that Nationalist is in the title is going to self-select out even a lot of normie Republicans.
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Not that everything at NatCon was edgy at all, by any means.
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You had, you know, very mainstream politicians, you know, Josh Hawley and Vivek Ramaswamy and guys like that.
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But NatCon had a very specific focus, and so it was more like people who are definitively right-wing to at least some extent, then hashing out how best to build their coalition, manage their coalition.
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And so you had guys like me and Paul Gottfried and Jeremy Carl standing next to more moderate conservatives, but we're all basically agreed that we should be heading at least in a nationalist direction, which kind of sets the locus of your conversations in a way that ARC doesn't.
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So, again, as I bring my constructive criticisms here, recognize that I'm doing so from what pretty much everyone at that conference is going to consider the far right.
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Jonathan Peugeot was kind enough to invite me and everything, put me up there and whatnot.
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They wanted people like me there, but it's not the center of the conversation is what I'm saying.
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They're trying to bring a lot of people in, and that means that they're going to have to appease a lot more people.
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They're going to have to widen the topics of discussion.
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And they're going to have to recognize the high degree of variance of opinions in the room and navigate all those things.
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And that needs to be understood when you're kind of addressing what's going on.
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Well, it started off with Kimmy Braddock, who's like the head of the conservative party now.
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But ultimately, she kind of acquitted herself pretty much exactly as one would expect.
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She started by talking about a number of things.
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But most importantly, the thing that stood out me the most was that she believed and praised the idea that somehow a school,
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which I can't say that I know a ton about schools in the UK,
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but what many people told me was like a very, you know, relatively progressive or like at best center-left school.
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She was praising the fact that they were like banning religion and prayers at the school.
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Now, she thought this was like super impressive because they were banning, you know, mostly Muslim prayers
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because Muslims are the only religious people in the UK.
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And yeah, like in a sense, ultimately, the Islamization of the UK is bad.
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But the fact that she thought the solution was just to ban all of the religion in general,
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she's like, we're going to be a secular state and ban all the religious stuff.
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Like, and she thought that was a praiseworthy thing.
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Like, that kind of shows a tone deafness to what was going on, where people in the room were.
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And so that was kind of an embarrassing way to start off the day.
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Jordan Peterson gave a good speech at the beginning, you know, kind of opened the whole thing up.
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But she was kind of the first speaker after him.
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The best speech of the first day by far was Peter Thiel.
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His discussion with Jordan Peterson and then the panel discussion that came after
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The technology discussions were far better than the political discussions in general,
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because the technology discussions, I think, were allowed to be a little more, you know,
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they were allowed to push more because they don't trigger all the landmines that are kind
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Again, to set the frame here, you have to remember, the United States just went through
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I mean, more or less, Trump's election is a low-key revolution against our current ruling
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And so the energy going into NatCon, we didn't know whether Trump was going to get elected
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J.D. Vance hadn't been put as the vice president yet.
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But there was a feeling that momentum was building.
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There was a lot of people there who were considering that they might be in the next administration.
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There was an error that something was really happening at NatCon.
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At ARC, something had just happened in the United States, but you could feel that all the
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other countries weren't sure how to handle that.
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David Brooks showed up in the second day speeches, and he said, don't follow Trump.
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You don't want to hitch your wagon to that horse.
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So there was an interesting disconnect between the speakers on stage and the crowd, which
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But ultimately, in the first day, like I said, Peter Thiel doing his speech or his discussion
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with Jordan Peterson, he kind of ignored Jordan Peterson's questions and just kind of did what
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he wanted to talk about, which I think ultimately was the right choice.
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But Peter Thiel actually had a lot of interesting points on the nature of AI, the nature of the
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One of the things that he and Peterson discussed was when we build an AI that can reason, if
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If we've just said that what makes you human is your ability to reason?
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Then once the machine can reason, then there's really no reason to ultimately say it's not
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a person as where Thiel really pushed this idea that actually, no, we are in sold like
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And that is what makes us human, not our capacity to reason, which was an incredibly important
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He's like, we might make AI, we might even make an AI capable of reason, but it will not
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And so therefore, no matter how intelligent it gets, it's just never going to be a person,
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which was, again, a very important aspect to consider.
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Also, he attacked Cartesian dualism and really the Enlightenment.
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If you're familiar with Peter Thiel's work, that may not be an entire surprise, but that's
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a pretty big thing for him to say on a stage with those kind of people, right?
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Like the people who are listening to that, hearing that are probably hearing that for the
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And like I said, people like Mary Harrington and Jonathan Peugeot, once they got to the nature
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You don't have to be very careful about what you're saying because ultimately most people
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just aren't familiar with a lot of what's happening in AI.
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As where with politics, it's landmine after landmine.
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And you have to be very careful about what you are going to kind of step on there.
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And very interestingly, there was a focus on Christianity.
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Now, to the credit of ARC, that probably felt extremely edgy.
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Because European politics is very different from American politics.
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I spoke to a number of political heads, you know, some head of UK parties and such.
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And they really explained that in the UK, you just don't talk about God.
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It's not like the United States where you say, okay, you know, ultimately, you know,
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I will say there's a lot of talk about Judeo-Christian values.
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I know some, you know, Jewish people have converted to Christianity.
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But ultimately, you know, there was a lot of talk about Christianity and its centralization
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or its rather its centrality to kind of the possibility of cultural renewal.
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And for UK politicians and Canadian politicians and Australian politicians, that's like really
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edgy for them because you just don't talk about God.
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So acknowledging that Christianity is kind of important.
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If you were going to talk about revitalizing the West, you probably need to have Christianity
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It's nice that that was acknowledged, that that's kind of important.
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So kudos to them for, you know, talking about that though.
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And this is the real problem with that ultimately.
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And this is the tweet I had that kind of people, you know, either felt very strongly one way or
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another about the problem with it is that while they acknowledge that fact, the implications
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So, you know, Jordan Peterson is pretty famous at this point for talking about the value of
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Christianity and the lessons you can learn from Christianity and, you know, the virtue
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that can be achieved in following Christianity, but not actually then becoming a Christian,
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He kind of said something like Jesus was ultimately God, I think recently, you know, Jordan Peterson
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will never give you a straight answer on that, but someone kind of walked him into admitting
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And it felt like that was really the, like the story of the whole conference on that
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issue was like a bunch of people who just got comfortable with recognizing that at some
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point Christianity might have had a significant impact on the West.
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And it's okay to say that maybe we should value some of those things.
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Uh, but if we, but nothing about like people actually practicing Christianity, actually
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implementing, uh, those beliefs actively in public policy, fighting for any of that, that
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And again, I know that this is a collection of moderate people in an international audience.
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So the idea for them that you even mentioned Christianity as a positive thing is already super
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That said, sorry, but you know, we're like a thousand miles beyond that at this point.
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And so it's an, it's probably a positive development for Europe overall.
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I'm glad that they did it, you know, credit to the people who felt like that was going to
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I know for some people that probably did have a practical cost that said, it's not sufficient.
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And, and it became incredibly clear how insufficient it was because in day two, we had, uh, dinners
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and this was kind of their breakout session, right?
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I complained about the lack of breakout sessions.
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Like you, you went to these dinners and they were all on specific topics.
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Uh, and, and you had a panel of speakers and there were specific long moments for, for
00:28:11.400
So again, I think there should have been a lot more of that, but they did have this one aspect
00:28:17.080
And I went to the can civilization be renewed panel and much to my delight, uh, at the beginning
00:28:23.600
of the panel, the entire discussion was at about the centrality of Christianity to the
00:28:29.580
Western experience and how important it is to embrace that fact.
00:28:34.020
Uh, and everyone on stage, you had like former prime ministers of Australia and guys like that.
00:28:38.460
And they were out there saying, this is critical, right?
00:28:46.580
But then we got to the questions and, uh, you know, I didn't ask a question cause I just
00:28:51.380
was kind of like trying to enjoy myself mostly at this conference and not be at the, in the
00:28:58.360
Uh, however, the people asking the questions did all my work for me because, you know,
00:29:02.580
you got a question or two about free speech, but then about the third question in someone
00:29:07.520
said, uh, Hey, we've got a lot of Muslims being moved into the West.
00:29:13.200
Uh, and they are more religious than the Christians who exist there now to the extent that Christians
00:29:22.480
How are we going to have a Christian revitalization in nations that are dominated by Islamic immigrants,
00:29:29.220
especially when it comes to the aspect of practicing religion?
00:29:33.900
Like that's a, uh, I believe this guy was, was from like the, uh, uh, the new right in
00:29:43.060
And unfortunately, every single speaker to a T, uh, failed this one, like immediately
00:29:57.100
Well, actually Christian civilization is probably just done.
00:30:00.180
Like we're never going to be a Christian civilization again.
00:30:03.000
And we're probably not even going to be, uh, like a majority Christian.
00:30:07.360
So the most you can really hope for is that we get these Muslims to kind of respect the
00:30:14.400
Christian values while they're here and that we live them out more, uh, but like wouldn't
00:30:20.560
touch deportations, you know, wouldn't even touch the border and immigration on that topic.
00:30:26.580
Uh, none of them would say anything about preferring Christianity and institutions or law
00:30:33.220
Uh, they just said, well, uh, ultimately like Islam is kind of violent.
00:30:38.380
And so, uh, the, they're probably going to lose in the marketplace of ideas, right?
00:30:42.860
Like ultimately people will look at the, you know, violent Islamists and they'll say, well,
00:30:49.180
And they'll vote for the Christian understanding instead.
00:30:52.080
Uh, which is like the dumbest thing you could ever say out loud in this scenario.
00:30:57.420
Like just looking at the evidence on the ground in Europe, uh, you can see how much
00:31:03.560
Like how actually, uh, people are flacking, flocking to the strong horse.
00:31:14.960
I've suddenly, it's, uh, it's suddenly that everyone hates the masculinity guy.
00:31:20.960
All of a sudden chattel yell it at me in a second.
00:31:22.560
Um, but everyone gets really angry at this guy, uh, that, that any conservative would
00:31:28.700
talk to him, that, that any right winger would listen to him, that young men in particular
00:31:39.360
So people get really angry that anyone talks about Andrew Tate and I did it.
00:31:46.260
Like he is a pornographer, he's a pimp, uh, and he's a, he's a Muslim.
00:31:53.460
Uh, but I guess because they're white girls sometimes that that's actually usually the
00:31:58.980
If they're white girls who aren't Muslim, then you can, you can treat them that way.
00:32:03.260
Um, however, uh, you know, a lot of people get angry that anyone will talk about Andrew
00:32:11.280
That said, if you are acting like this, right, like if this is the other option is just complete
00:32:20.320
submission, complete destruction, complete cultural capitulation, uh, telling men that
00:32:26.780
they should just never have any, uh, agency, any power, any authority that they should just
00:32:33.260
Every time they should turn over their cultures, they should turn over their countries.
00:32:38.560
Like if this is the alternative message to a guy like Andrew Tate, then Andrew Tate is
00:32:45.560
And to be clear, even though he's a piece of garbage, he deserves to like, you deserve
00:32:54.060
Like God has sent him as a punishment for your inability to be a man and stand up for your
00:33:00.640
Uh, like you, you, the, his very existence, the fact that he's, he has any audience speak
00:33:10.320
Uh, and that's, that was really just gross that that was the, because the first guy who
00:33:15.000
answered on the panel said, well, maybe someone, you know, he said, we're never going to have
00:33:19.260
We're never going to have a majority Christian culture again.
00:33:21.860
And he said, maybe somebody else will get angry at me on the panel or, or, or think differently.
00:33:25.780
And I was really hoping that someone else on the panel would stand up and say, no, man,
00:33:34.100
Of course we limit immigration of, of foreigners and especially foreign faiths.
00:33:43.160
None of them, none of them while on a panel specifically about cultural renewal, which
00:33:52.220
And so again, for a lot of people, just acknowledging that Christianity was central to their culture
00:34:00.540
It's, but that's why they're being dominated by Islam.
00:34:04.860
Like that's why they're being conquered and they will be conquered if they don't change
00:34:10.540
If they do not change that attitude, they will be conquered and they deserve to be conquered
00:34:16.600
because that is such an incredible acquiescence to a foreign hostile power that what else
00:34:25.800
Beyond the fact that it's just deeply immoral and, you know, biblically enacted, like all
00:34:32.400
But, but just the, the, just the basic math of what's going to happen power wise in that
00:34:41.440
And yet these guys just kind of couldn't get it together.
00:34:44.780
So again, day two, a lot of Christianity, great, awesome, glad we're at least to the
00:34:50.440
part where even kind of the moderate liberals have to be like, yeah, Christianity, pretty
00:34:57.060
But obviously, ultimately not quite working out.
00:35:00.740
The, the third day, um, my favorite talk probably came from Eric Weinstein, uh, who I
00:35:06.660
have, you know, a number of disagreements with, however, uh, he introduced, uh, a lot
00:35:12.420
of, uh, Curtis Yarvin's ideas, uh, which ultimately, uh, you know, Curtis Yarvin was there, said
00:35:17.740
hi to Curtis, uh, and you know, he was there in person.
00:35:20.280
Um, but, uh, that, that speech was basically, let me explain to you, Curtis Yarvin and like
00:35:25.820
a lot of the other online rights stuff, but in different terms.
00:35:28.440
So he, he take, he took the cathedral and he renamed it the disc.
00:35:32.160
Like, I don't, I know a lot of people don't like the cathedral.
00:35:35.340
But like the disc is a really terrible, uh, alternative name for that, but basically
00:35:40.260
explain like, okay, you guys are all being ruled by this large consensus apparatus.
00:35:44.680
And, uh, you know, you're being dominated by kind of these huge media profiles and
00:35:48.920
technological, uh, uh, advancements that are ultimately monitoring you everywhere and
00:35:55.140
manipulating your opinion and driving you towards a consensus.
00:36:00.040
Um, he also discussed basically fifth generation warfare, the fact that all states are kind
00:36:04.700
of continuously in this technological propaganda war and that a large amount of, uh, kind of
00:36:10.920
the defense industry and intelligence industry is pivoting to kind of this way of understanding,
00:36:17.820
Uh, and so like, those are really good, but the most interesting or at least controversial
00:36:22.300
part of that speech was his assertion that the CIA, uh, had more or less, uh, at gunpoint
00:36:38.380
I met him briefly while I was there, invited him on the show.
00:36:42.180
Uh, but he, uh, asserted that the, uh, intelligence agencies had colluded with, uh, obviously the
00:36:50.460
different universities and such to more or less stagnate physics exactly where it was because
00:36:56.740
that allowed for international cooperation, right?
00:37:00.960
Like if you have, if you're doing dangerous work in physics, if you're doing work in physics,
00:37:05.160
that'll allow you to just like evaporate a country from, uh, thousands of miles away,
00:37:10.120
which I suppose we already have in nukes, but you understand what I'm saying.
00:37:13.040
If you're advancing weapons technology, which you ultimately do, if you're advancing physics,
00:37:17.040
then you can't invite a bunch of foreigners in because they're going to get the technology
00:37:23.980
Uh, however, if you are, if you just kind of killed, uh, advancement, technological advancement,
00:37:29.040
right where it is, then you can have an international coalition because you're just not doing
00:37:36.260
You're going to have a bunch of people from all over the world, writing papers about things
00:37:40.840
Uh, and so that kind of, uh, makes it safe and sanitary for you to then bring in a bunch
00:37:45.240
of people and just kind of have that international coalition.
00:37:47.800
Again, I have no idea what the validity of this is.
00:37:51.540
I have no way to judge the literature and whether or not he's correct about the involvement
00:37:55.240
intelligence agencies and, uh, more or less mothballing, uh, all theoretical physics for,
00:38:03.100
But if that assertion is correct, it's incredibly important.
00:38:05.820
It's probably the most groundbreaking thing at the conference.
00:38:09.060
And, uh, very interestingly, it would prove Nick Land's assertion, uh, that the managerial
00:38:14.600
lead are more or less a, uh, a human defense mechanism against the attempt by capital and
00:38:23.360
technology and intelligence to escape human concerns.
00:38:26.940
And at least very, at least the concerns of the organized state as we understand it.
00:38:31.960
Uh, so it'd be very interesting to find out whether or not that's all true, but at the
00:38:36.040
moment I, I can't do anything more than speculate and say, hopefully I can kind of follow up on
00:38:41.220
So those were kind of the, the most interesting things said on stage.
00:38:45.260
Now, like I said, much more interesting when the, what's happening on stage is what's happening
00:38:50.440
Uh, first, you know, if you go to these things, you get to connect with a lot of people.
00:38:54.860
And like I said, that's really the important thing that's happening.
00:38:57.780
Uh, got to spend a lot of time with Carl Benjamin, uh, and, uh, Benjamin Boyce, uh, number, number
00:39:03.960
of other people, Mary Harrington, uh, a lot of, a lot of people met Eric Metaxas and Rod
00:39:09.020
Dreher and Eric Weinstein, you know, is, is great to, to meet a lot of those people.
00:39:12.960
And Kevin Sorbo, you know, Hercules was, was, uh, roaming around, you know, took my picture
00:39:20.780
Uh, so that, that, that part's good, but more importantly than like meeting people you've
00:39:25.320
talked to or you saw on TV, uh, ultimately the most, much more important thing is that
00:39:31.120
you make connections with a lot of interesting people and you get to read the room.
00:39:36.280
And by reading the room, what I felt was two things.
00:39:40.780
One, uh, the people on stage were far more moderate than most of the people in the crowd.
00:39:48.500
Now the crowd, there are plenty of people there who are just like, man, Douglas Murray, just
00:39:53.840
And to be fair, Douglas Murray's better than most of those guys.
00:39:56.580
He's pushing the, the, the limits much more than, than many of those speakers.
00:40:01.120
Uh, but they're the kind of people who look at, uh, you know, uh, the IDW and think that
00:40:07.460
Barry Weiss is just the, the bravest human being in the world.
00:40:11.060
Uh, so there are some of those people, but there's a lot of people there who were just
00:40:14.580
saying, okay, that's nice, but when are we going to get to the meat and potatoes?
00:40:19.240
Cause I guess, you know, this, I think this was the third, one of these that they've held
00:40:22.920
And what I heard from a lot of people is a very recycled speakers, recycled topics, uh,
00:40:27.720
that, that, uh, outside of Christianity being a much more of a theme in this one than it
00:40:33.360
Uh, a lot of the same people saying the same things for several years.
00:40:37.540
Now, again, there are plenty of conferences like that.
00:40:47.620
It's supposed to have, you know, they hand you this bag of position papers written by,
00:40:53.520
So on important topics and, and they're supposed to be setting an agenda.
00:40:58.340
So if you're setting an agenda, but you're just recycling the same speakers because they
00:41:02.600
have like a high profile or they're relatively unoffensive to the audience that you're presenting
00:41:07.340
to, then you're kind of missing out on what you're supposed to be doing.
00:41:11.420
Uh, so a lot of people are saying that a lot of people are saying, you know, that, that
00:41:14.920
the, the tone of the discussion on stage was a little too, uh, tepid.
00:41:21.500
Also a lot of the European, uh, people who were there were saying, why aren't we doing
00:41:36.720
There are moderate liberals there who are scared by Donald Trump.
00:41:39.300
Uh, but a lot more of the, the European right wing that was represented at the conference
00:41:46.440
The other thing that you acknowledge almost immediately, if you're talking to the wider swath of people
00:41:51.260
in the conference is that anyone under, I'd say like 45 is just radically more right wing.
00:41:58.820
Just, just way, way, way more right wing, uh, than the conference was.
00:42:04.100
Uh, and this is the most right wing opportunity they had, right?
00:42:07.460
So the, the, you know, it, all, all the, you know, zoomers and millennials for the most part
00:42:12.100
that were there, uh, were really looking for something that was much more right wing.
00:42:18.720
That, you know, they, they were unsatisfied with the conference, but the fact that they
00:42:22.060
were unsatisfied means that they have much more aggressive attitudes.
00:42:26.940
I see someone saying men under 45, actually, no, a lot of the women were also in that school.
00:42:33.580
I will say that in general, men are more right wing than women.
00:42:37.320
I'm not, it's not me saying that fact isn't, isn't correct, but most of the women I spoke
00:42:42.680
to were pretty right wing, especially those again, under 45 that they really were.
00:42:47.780
Um, and so, uh, that, that means that there was probably a generational change turnover.
00:42:55.040
We're kind of getting that in the United States right now.
00:42:57.340
I think JD Vance, uh, being elevated, help us feel like that was happening a little bit.
00:43:03.260
And so that, that could be also the case in Europe.
00:43:07.200
Ultimately, I think that could be the turnaround that you see there as well.
00:43:11.140
Once that new generation comes in, uh, they're, they're definitely much further to the right
00:43:17.420
than the people who are running the conference.
00:43:20.200
And so that's, I think, going to be a big deal.
00:43:23.720
Um, so the, the, the feel was definitely that the conference was productive, but there wasn't
00:43:32.120
There wasn't enough acknowledgement of difference in the coalition and perhaps that's intentional,
00:43:39.340
There's a lot of people who are just still terrified to be right-wing and, and scared
00:43:45.220
And so when you have that outlook, when you have that approach, uh, everything, you know,
00:43:53.460
Uh, but ultimately it felt like it was definitely lagging behind both, you know, what was happening
00:43:59.240
in the United States and even with the younger people and, and a wide swath of the audience
00:44:05.260
Um, and that meant that it wasn't acknowledging that there might be significant, important
00:44:12.140
Now, if you're only trying to build the coalition, if you're just trying to find the common ground,
00:44:17.820
Uh, but then you're kind of setting yourself up for some pretty jarring bumps in the road.
00:44:22.600
Once you realize that the right-wing people who are under 40 are looking for something very,
00:44:31.800
Uh, and so you, you kind of end up in that, uh, that scenario.
00:44:35.660
So needed more debate, uh, needed more acknowledgements of differences inside.
00:44:41.360
I think the coalition needed more acknowledgement that Donald Trump, uh, and the kind of the
00:44:47.480
revolution that was happening in the United States could have, uh, cascading effects.
00:44:52.660
So another thing, I had this conversation several times, uh, at the conference that I, and I think
00:44:58.060
this is interesting because a lot of people, uh, came to me with the same problem and we kind
00:45:02.520
of worked through it the same way several times.
00:45:04.400
One thing that is definitely happening right now is there a signal lag between the European
00:45:12.000
So obviously America has been ruled by kind of the consensus, uh, uniparty, uh, you know,
00:45:19.560
globalist progressive set for a long time, right?
00:45:22.640
You'll have your, your, your, uh, John McCain's and your Mitt Romney's as opposition, but ultimately
00:45:30.600
And so because of that, and because of the fact that America more or less
00:45:34.140
conquered the world after world war II, uh, the European elites have been selected for
00:45:39.580
their ability to mimic American elite attitudes and what defines American elite attitudes.
00:45:47.340
It's, uh, crapping on, uh, rural Southerners, white Christians in the United States, right?
00:45:53.900
It's hating the fly over people, it's hating the MAGA voters, the basket of deplorables.
00:45:58.140
It's hating the actual conservative base, Donald Trump voters.
00:46:02.460
And so, uh, a lot of people will say, Oh, all the European elites hate America, but that's
00:46:10.060
Uh, what they hate is the Americans that American elites hate, right?
00:46:15.420
They hate the people who vote for Donald Trump.
00:46:16.780
Uh, but they're, they're fine actually with the American elites.
00:46:20.540
Cause they want to ingratiate themselves with the American elites.
00:46:25.980
And so, uh, ultimately, uh, there's this signal lag because for so long, your status as a European
00:46:33.580
elite, a Canadian elite, uh, you know, a Australian elite was tied to hating these people in the United
00:46:41.820
And even though the elite is starting to experience a turnaround in the United States, and we're
00:46:46.780
definitely going to see a cut down in the amount of influence that that has, because we're cutting
00:46:52.380
things like USA ID and like, you know, scaling back foreign policy, uh, you know, you're probably
00:46:57.900
not going to get as many color revolutions, uh, especially from the left.
00:47:02.300
From the United States, uh, because of that, the United States is going to have less impact
00:47:10.540
And therefore, uh, they're going to, uh, be able to form some of their own opinions, right?
00:47:15.980
They're going to be able to actually rule in the interest of their own people and not just spend
00:47:19.820
all their time signaling, uh, to us progressives, you know, that we're on your team or whatever.
00:47:24.620
Uh, but there's still, of course, the majority of European elites were selected for their ability
00:47:30.220
And so there's this lag time where, uh, they're still doing the thing that got them to where they
00:47:36.540
are, even though the incentive structure for doing it is gone.
00:47:40.780
He's cutting all of this USAID and stuff that was paying for this, you know, a lot of this
00:47:45.340
propaganda, uh, that you're going to get fewer inroads by signaling this.
00:47:49.260
You can kind of see this with, uh, Zelensky right.
00:47:51.340
And Ukraine, uh, he's still acting as if the way to win international support is to like,
00:47:57.100
hate people in the United States and hate Trump and hate his voters.
00:48:00.780
Uh, and that was a big mistake as we've seen recently from kind of Donald Trump's response
00:48:05.900
Uh, and so, uh, I think a lot of European elites are still lagging in this signal,
00:48:10.140
Because they, they still think they have to put on, uh, this affectation of like, yeah,
00:48:14.940
I hate, uh, some guy in Alabama who opposes abortion.
00:48:18.220
Like that's the way to show that you're like a real European elite of high, uh, high caliber.
00:48:24.380
And so that means that they're like doubling or tripling down on broken ideologies, even
00:48:30.460
Uh, and so there's going to have to be the certain amount of momentum.
00:48:33.420
Uh, you're going to have to see that generational shift that we were talking about before the
00:48:37.580
Europeans can really kind of free themselves from this kind of occupied continent mentality,
00:48:44.860
Uh, and hopefully when they do that, you're going to see a shift towards the right, because
00:48:49.980
once they can actually think about their own people, their wellbeing, uh, not focused internationally,
00:48:55.980
but, but you know, more nationally, then naturally things move to the right.
00:49:00.220
But there's a certain level of development that, that has to occur before that ultimately takes
00:49:06.060
Uh, so, uh, ultimately I'd say that the conference is productive.
00:49:11.020
I'm glad that Jordan Peterson and many of the other people putting it on are doing so.
00:49:14.860
But, uh, I think that they really need to acknowledge as fast as possible that things
00:49:21.740
The, uh, the, the political situation has changed.
00:49:27.100
You know, the, the IDW felt like it was prying that window open.
00:49:30.540
Uh, but in the United States, it just got blown out, right?
00:49:36.380
We, we, we have thrown it out, you know, throw something through the window and jumped
00:49:41.820
And so it's a very different dynamic, uh, and they kind of need to acknowledge that
00:49:45.740
and they need to accelerate their development, whether they feel comfortable or with that
00:49:49.180
or not, it doesn't matter because most of their audience and definitely their younger
00:49:55.580
They need things to change and they're not okay with going the current speed.
00:50:01.900
Now I've heard that there's going to be another NatCon in Europe, uh, and, uh, possibly in England.
00:50:08.860
Uh, like I said, I, I think that conference is explicitly because it's explicitly nationalist.
00:50:14.380
Therefore, uh, you know, more conservative right wing more happens there.
00:50:18.220
I'm not saying that you can't have both of these things.
00:50:20.140
Uh, ultimately I think, you know, probably having both of them is good if nothing else
00:50:26.700
Uh, but, uh, I'm certainly, uh, encouraged that probably because this, what do I say?
00:50:34.620
How do I say this kindly because this conference was more milk toast than it should have been.
00:50:40.300
That will probably encourage NatCon UK to be more adventurous than it was going to be before
00:50:50.060
Everyone is like everyone, even, even more moderate people that I know that were there
00:50:54.540
were like, yeah, this was, this one was kind of bland.
00:50:56.700
Uh, so that's probably a good, uh, contrast to encourage then the, the NatCon to be like
00:51:07.020
The one that's really setting an agenda, the one that's really picking up on the zeitgeist,
00:51:10.700
the one that's really exploring where we can go.
00:51:15.420
Ultimately, again, this is an international conference, so it's not just for me.
00:51:21.660
So I can recognize that, uh, and, and know that that means that it's not going to always
00:51:26.220
be discussing the topics I want to discuss in the way I want to discuss them.
00:51:30.060
Uh, but I can still point out the flaws and some of the reasoning and say, Hey, you know,
00:51:33.580
these are some areas where you guys can do better while still acknowledging that it's great
00:51:38.540
And I hope that they kind of take the feedback and, and move towards something that's going to,
00:51:44.620
uh, help the people who are actually supposed to be helped by these conference in more
00:51:49.900
Uh, so those, those are kind of my thoughts on what happened.
00:51:52.700
Like I said, ultimately, uh, glad I went to the conference, glad I met a lot of great people.
00:51:56.860
Uh, I think that the conversations in kind of the meeting hall were much more productive
00:52:05.580
But the, there were good talks on stage, especially the ones focused on artificial intelligence,
00:52:11.740
technology, identity, these things are, are, are very important.
00:52:15.820
And you can say more on them without offending people because, uh, they just don't know.
00:52:20.300
They're not as emotionally invested in to these as they are, say, uh, political issues.
00:52:24.380
And, you know, the UK is actively arresting for people for having political positions
00:52:28.620
as where they're not actively arresting people for having, uh, technological positions for the
00:52:35.500
I talked to people from Germany, from the UK, uh, who said that, you know, they have,
00:52:39.340
they know tons and tons of people who are very right wing and they just don't say anything
00:52:43.900
because they're terrified that the government's going to come for them and their kids, like
00:52:48.380
You know, I was talking to one, one guy from Germany, he said, yeah, we're like, we're terrified
00:52:51.900
that, uh, you say anything out of line and the state's going to come for your children.
00:52:55.740
And they do on a regular basis, not just you, you're not, it's not just that you're going
00:53:02.380
Um, and so, uh, you know, Western liberal democracy, you know, that's, that's, there you go.
00:53:07.740
Here's some classical liberalism for you, but, uh, but yeah.
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Uh, so I think that was kind of the state of the conference.
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Uh, I'm sure they're going to have another one.
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I hope that when they do, uh, they take some of that under advisement and they continue
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I'm going to head to the questions of the people here real quick.
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Uh, and on reviewer said, what did Paul Vander clay talk about at the arc conference?
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So I met Paul there, uh, you know, had Paul on the show multiple times, a good guy.
00:53:36.780
Uh, but I don't believe Paul was actually speaking at the conference.
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A lot of people who were there weren't necessarily speaking.
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Uh, and so, uh, he was more, uh, just kind of, he was actually not even in most of the talks.
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He was mostly, uh, trying to like get people together to have conversations, I think.
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Uh, so I, I spoke with Paul briefly, but he didn't make, uh, any particular, uh, presentation at arc.
00:54:02.860
Again, and on reviewer says, is the long house, the same thing as the cathedral?
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Uh, you know, uh, I'll, I'll let you work out the differences there, but, uh, you know,
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Long house is more of a cultural, uh, control, a hyper-feminized, uh, culture.
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Most of the quantum fruit loops and theoretical silly strings are designed to harvest grants and
00:54:30.540
And that was really what a lot of the discussion was about, but I understand that part, what you're
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saying that that's important, of course, that, you know, a lot of people talk about this with
00:54:42.540
Peter Thiel talked about this, how people aren't really doing science.
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We have more scientists that have, that have ever existed before more man hours being dedicated
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to science than there have, or has been before, but fewer scientific advancements than we have
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had in a long time. And that probably is because it's so much of the system is just parasitical,
00:55:02.380
right? Rather than a few geniuses really doing the science. We have a vast army of people who,
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you know, midwit, you know, above room temperature IQ, uh, you know, kind of feeding off the system by
00:55:15.900
just securing large amounts of grant money, but it doesn't go anywhere. That's important,
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but that's a separate, that's a different assertion than specifically the intelligence community
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and the Pentagon went out of their way to basically hard freeze all scientific advancement in this
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area. That's a much, that's a much bigger assertion. And I don't know how to gauge that if it's true.
00:55:38.220
And you know, it very much could be the case, uh, then that is a huge, huge thing. Uh, however,
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uh, like I said, just no way to evaluate that by myself.
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Uh, life of Brian literally arc, uh, we must accept the beating until morale improves. Yeah.
00:55:56.540
Unfortunately, man, that was said that was really the message. Uh, like basically we don't have a
00:56:04.700
plan for stopping an Islamic invasion or takeover of the culture. Uh, and I guess you just got to
00:56:10.380
hope that the marketplace of idea sorts this out like that. There really was like, yeah,
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Christianity is really important, but we're not going to do anything about it. Like we're,
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we're not going to prefer Christianity. We're not going to work into our laws. We're not going to
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work into our education. We're not even going to use it to like screen our immigration. None of it.
00:56:29.260
So cool, I guess like we're getting conquered and that's just the way it's going to be,
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but also Christianity is important. I don't know, man. It was bad. It was real bad. Uh,
00:56:39.420
maybe or Kimi, you know, the Kimi had the most, uh, the most radical solution, which was just be
00:56:45.980
super secular. We we've kind of seen where that goes, right? Uh, Flint bar, did you challenge
00:56:53.100
James Lindsay to a duel to settle your feud? Uh, so funny enough, uh, both James Lindsay and
00:56:58.540
Constantine Kiston were there. Uh, Constantine Kiston was like on the main stage. He's like one of the
00:57:03.660
major organizers and James Lindsay was there as well. I saw them popping around the whole time.
00:57:08.620
And by day three, I was like, you know what? Uh, we're in person, you know, we're men. Uh, let's,
00:57:13.820
let's just squash this, right? Like let's let, let's hash this out in person. Uh, so that, uh,
00:57:19.580
you know, we're not doing this, like, you know, uh, super feminine energy on Twitter, you know,
00:57:25.580
passive aggressive, uh, slap fighting each other. So, you know, I went up to James Lindsay,
00:57:30.940
shook his hand, uh, said, Hey man, you know, introduced myself. And he was like, uh, whatever mumbled
00:57:36.860
something about, and then just like kind of ran away. So I did my best. I tried to be the bigger
00:57:42.460
man, uh, on that one. And, uh, he, he was just like, Oh, I gotta go, or I'm late for something.
00:57:47.420
And just kind of disappeared. I did the same with Constantine, uh, kissing. I think I'm saying his
00:57:52.060
name, right. Sorry if I'm not. Uh, but, uh, I saw him, I did the same thing with him and to his credit,
00:57:57.180
uh, he stopped what he was doing. He was talking to someone else, stopped what he was doing,
00:58:00.620
pulled me aside, uh, you know, took the time to talk about my book, uh, talk about the conference,
00:58:06.780
asked me what I thought about it, ask if I had any feedback. Uh, you know, we, we didn't hash out every
00:58:12.060
issue. We didn't have like a deep debate, uh, about the issues that were going on. Uh, but you know,
00:58:16.780
he had the decency to be like, okay, this guy's making an effort in person. I'm going to stop what
00:58:21.900
I'm doing. I'm, you know, we're, I'm going to, we'll talk, we'll shake hands, you know, uh, so
00:58:27.580
ultimately, uh, you know, one for two, I guess, you know, uh, uh, kissing was much more receptive
00:58:34.060
to, uh, I think, trying to kind of figure things out a little bit in person. Uh, you know, James
00:58:38.940
just kind of blew it off and, and, and ran away. So what are you going to do? Uh, all right. So
00:58:43.900
that looks like all of our questions there, I guess we will go ahead and wrap this up. Uh, again,
00:58:53.180
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