The Auron MacIntyre Show - Should We Board the ARC？｜ 2⧸21⧸25

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00:02:01.400 All right, guys, it's nice to be back.

00:02:05.020 I was over in London for the ARC conference.

00:02:09.220 This is Jordan Peterson's answer to, I guess, the World Economic Forum, recognizing that there is going to be some level of international coordination or understanding or at least exchange of best practices

00:02:22.260 and trying to provide a forum for the people who are opposed to kind of progressive globalism.

00:02:28.900 It's a very interesting event, a lot happening there, a lot of very important people.

00:02:34.320 And I thought it would be interesting to go ahead and break down the good, the bad, and the ugly from this event.

00:02:40.840 I think there were some very positive outcomes, but I think there's also a lot of ways in which the event is lagging behind some of the current political developments,

00:02:51.460 especially in the United States, and so I was going to give you my impression on what's going on because I think this ultimately serves more as a snapshot of where the Overton window is.

00:03:03.480 What can sensible centrists discuss with kind of the IDW crowd, with the people who, the rational centrists, the classical liberals?

00:03:11.820 How can we approach these things? Where are they at? Not just in the United States, but Australia, the UK, and Canada.

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00:05:03.720 So like I said, went over to London, had some exciting times getting stranded in JFK as I tried to make my way over there.

00:05:12.420 Messed my sleep schedule up real good.

00:05:14.260 So if I did an interview or two over there that sounds incoherent, it's mainly because I didn't sleep pretty much at all for the first few days.

00:05:22.040 That said, always interesting to go to the UK.

00:05:25.940 The conference was held in East London.

00:05:28.700 That kind of a rundown part of the facility itself is very nice.

00:05:32.260 The Excel is obviously a good conference center.

00:05:36.280 However, it's kind of placed in an area that's had a little bit of trouble in London, which only highlighted the importance, I suppose, of the conference itself.

00:05:44.420 This is the conference that is put on by Jordan Peterson, and it is, again, a kind of answer to the WEF, recognizing that you are going to have some level of counter elite if you want to organize a real response to Klaus Schwab and the others that are kind of trying to do this global governance thing.

00:06:04.360 Now, there are other conferences out there in a similar vein, NatCon, one that I spoke at in D.C. last year, and I'll do a little bit of compare and contrast with these two because I do think there's an important emphasis that really changed the way that the conference was handled.

00:06:24.060 I want to say at the outset that I do think there were positives about this conference.

00:06:29.460 A lot of people, I tweeted out one or two things about some of the worst negatives, and, of course, that's what gets highlighted.

00:06:36.100 So I'd like to say at the beginning that I like Jordan Peterson.

00:06:39.260 You know, don't agree with him on everything, obviously, but I think he's ultimately a force for good, even though ups and downs around.

00:06:46.700 I respect the fact that he is putting out the kind of efforts necessary to organize something like this.

00:06:53.060 Understand that this is a huge step.

00:06:55.760 It's a big undertaking.

00:06:56.880 And so anyone really putting themselves out and trying to build alternative institutions, that's what we talk about all the time.

00:07:04.620 So while I might have some critiques here or there, understand that they are ultimately constructive critiques.

00:07:09.760 I appreciate the level of effort put into something like this.

00:07:13.560 I also really respect some of the people involved, guys like Jonathan Peugeot, Mary Harrington, other people who are involved in advising what's going on, who are on stage, James Poulos.

00:07:26.360 These are people who are wired in.

00:07:28.260 They kind of understand what's going on.

00:07:30.320 So what you really had in this scenario was a wide tent in a way that even NatCon isn't.

00:07:37.500 NatCon is a wide tent for American conservatism.

00:07:41.900 But this goes well beyond.

00:07:43.460 Right.

00:07:43.600 This is an international event.

00:07:45.140 About I heard a quarter of the attendees were from the United States.

00:07:49.340 But of course, you had large contingents from the UK, from Canada, from Australia.

00:07:54.620 It did seem to mainly be focused on Anglosphere countries, though you had people from France and others as well.

00:08:00.440 But it definitely definitely felt like that the Anglosphere was heavily focused on and represented at the conference.

00:08:07.620 But this is international.

00:08:09.100 And it's also not specifically right wing or conservative.

00:08:12.480 You do have a good conservative showing.

00:08:14.800 I think anyone who's a leftist would probably have identified everyone there as a right winger.

00:08:20.340 But as someone who is a right winger, I could easily recognize that a good chunk of the people.

00:08:24.860 Well, I mean, it's Jordan Peterson.

00:08:26.200 So it's the IDW coalition, right?

00:08:28.180 It's moderate conservatives, centrists and moderate liberals who all kind of want to oppose the more radical globalist progressive agenda.

00:08:38.500 So it's kind of exactly who you would expect to be.

00:08:40.940 It's a lot of the IDW crowd, guys like Douglas Murray, ladies like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Eric Weinstein, you know, the guys that have been circling this whole thing for a long time.

00:08:53.960 They're heavily represented.

00:08:55.420 And you could see this in the speakers and the presenters who were on stage.

00:09:00.520 And that was kind of my first, I would say, criticism or constructive criticism with the conference.

00:09:09.320 It was very main stage focused.

00:09:12.760 And one of the problems that you have with a large tent is, of course, not everybody's on board with the same thing, which isn't a problem.

00:09:20.080 Ultimately, it's a good thing if you're trying to resolve some of the problems inside of a coalition.

00:09:26.280 However, if you only have a main stage where people are doing presentations and very little back and forth, very little dialogue, then it becomes difficult to actually resolve any of those contradictions inside your coalition.

00:09:42.360 And you really just end up with the people with the highest profile preaching to the choir that they always preach to.

00:09:49.920 Many of the speeches were long, took up most of the time.

00:09:53.360 There's usually a panel that followed the speeches, but they were almost always extremely short, just a few minutes for each speaker.

00:10:00.360 They only had maybe two or three minutes and they were never actually really interacting with each other.

00:10:05.400 For the most part, there wasn't a lot of debate happening.

00:10:08.240 And so if the purpose of the conference is to resolve differences in the coalition, having a main stage focused conference where very little discussion occurred makes that pretty difficult.

00:10:23.660 And you can see that reflected over and over again.

00:10:26.800 Everyone I talked to would say, hey, yeah, they finally got to some of the things that I wanted to hear, the things that I wanted to understand.

00:10:34.000 And everybody who was discussing it got like two minutes and there was time to go to the next thing.

00:10:38.400 Some of the speeches were great.

00:10:39.800 I'm not saying that there weren't good speeches there.

00:10:41.920 I'm just saying that because there was so little interaction ultimately between different positions or even acknowledgement often of different positions inside, you didn't really get much.

00:10:54.360 Like you kind of had a free trade versus tariffs thing.

00:10:56.840 And that was more or less the extent to which we saw significant differences on stage.

00:11:01.500 Now, I should say at the outset that I attended an okay number of the talks, but ultimately these conferences are much more about what happens in kind of the meeting rooms.

00:11:13.500 It's about the networking and the connections made to the people you're talking to as much as it is about the speeches on stage.

00:11:19.360 So if you're just looking at the plenary speeches, then you're missing the point of the conference.

00:11:23.600 If you only spend your time listening, if you ever go to one of these things, if you spend your time only listening to the speakers, then you're missing out on what the conference is really about.

00:11:33.180 So I didn't see every one of these, maybe some super-based stuff happen or some really big debates happen in the ones I wasn't in.

00:11:39.680 I really can't speak to that.

00:11:40.980 I can only talk about the ones that I saw.

00:11:42.600 One contrast between NatCon and this conference is that NatCon had the main stage, but then it had breakout sessions after every main stage discussion.

00:11:54.580 And so you could go to the main stage and it had the guys you would expect.

00:11:58.000 It had the big politicians.

00:11:59.040 It had the big headline names.

00:12:00.760 But then you would go to the different breakout sessions and they would be focused on very specific issues.

00:12:07.420 They would have a short, you know, five to ten minute speech from each person on the panel and then a good amount of actual back and forth, both between the panelists and then questions from the audience.

00:12:20.800 And this created an atmosphere where it felt like we were really getting perspectives more often, right?

00:12:27.740 We're drilling down into very specific issues and collections of people who are addressing those issues.

00:12:32.940 And also much more time was given for debate if you wanted to understand them.

00:12:37.220 Now, obviously, that creates a different atmosphere because you're definitely not going to hear everything at NatCon.

00:12:43.220 There's just no way to do that.

00:12:45.000 Between the main stage speakers and the breakouts, no one could attend anything.

00:12:48.940 And so that meant you kind of had to find what you cared about, lock in on that, and then kind of recognize that some of that's going to go by the wayside.

00:12:56.820 If you're someone who's trying to consume every, you know, big tier speaker, then the ARC format works better for that because everyone's kind of brought in.

00:13:06.060 There's like 4,000 people at the conference.

00:13:07.960 It was huge.

00:13:09.720 However, that also means that there's very little discussion debate.

00:13:14.880 Now, again, a lot of this happens once you leave those main discussions.

00:13:19.140 Once you go into there, have like this big meeting hall with all the vendors and meeting places you get together, where the food would be and all that stuff.

00:13:28.580 And you could go there and you would meet up with people and talk.

00:13:31.840 And obviously, there you could do some networking.

00:13:34.280 But again, because you didn't have the kind of tributaries flowing out from the main river, it was easy to get lost.

00:13:42.440 If you didn't know who you were looking for, then it could be difficult to network.

00:13:46.680 Luckily, I know a lot of the people there.

00:13:48.900 It was a very good opportunity to meet a lot of people that have only ever been on their show or they've only ever been on my show or we've kind of tweeted at each other, never got to have a one-on-one conversation.

00:14:00.940 And so in that sense, I'm luckier than most.

00:14:03.520 But if I was just someone thrown into the deep end of this pool, not knowing anyone, not knowing what was going on, I don't think I would have been able to find easily kind of what was happening.

00:14:13.180 Now, they have an app and the app lets you kind of message people, make connections, and that was good.

00:14:18.120 I think that's a positive thing that perhaps something like NatCon could have taken away from this conference.

00:14:22.500 But ultimately, the conference made it difficult to, again, kind of delve deeper in.

00:14:28.100 And there was also the problem of it felt like most of the speakers were very mainstream.

00:14:33.500 I get that.

00:14:34.200 You're trying to bring in the biggest names, the heaviest hitters.

00:14:37.220 This draws attention to your conference, these kind of things.

00:14:40.040 However, it means that all of your guys, it kind of, you know, they have a similar flavor, right?

00:14:45.240 Like there is a difference between, say, Eric Weinstein and, I don't know, Douglas Murray, right?

00:14:50.620 There is some belief difference between them.

00:14:55.260 They would have different discussions.

00:14:56.360 But ultimately, you don't have anyone who's really pushing the Overton window, who's really bringing a fresh perspective.

00:15:04.260 Again, not to dunk on any of those speakers, but they just, they're well known, right?

00:15:10.460 Like, and they're saying things that we are familiar with them saying.

00:15:12.860 And that's why they're there, because they're famous for saying them.

00:15:15.420 But in that scenario, you really want to be able to bring up with you some people who are going to say something different, right?

00:15:21.680 So you bring the big hitters, people are there to see Jordan Peterson, they're there to see Douglas Murray, they're there to see, you know, Nigel Farage and these guys.

00:15:30.780 And then while they're there, they also get to hear, you know, maybe some people who are a little further down the totem pole when it comes to notability.

00:15:38.520 But they ultimately are bringing something new to the discussion.

00:15:43.200 And the format of it just made it difficult for that to happen.

00:15:48.200 And so that was kind of my first issue with kind of the way that the conference was organized.

00:15:54.960 But again, that could be nitpicking, right?

00:15:57.200 Like, that's not probably what you're here to listen to.

00:15:59.400 That's like, how to organize a conference.

00:16:01.300 That's probably not the most exciting thing to start with.

00:16:03.340 But it was kind of an overall problem in the conference that created some of the other symptoms that kind of leaked out of it.

00:16:10.440 So, again, this is a big tent.

00:16:12.880 It's an international event.

00:16:15.420 It's very IDW-centric.

00:16:17.680 And so it's very natural for a guy like me who shows up to find the level of discourse inadequate.

00:16:26.780 There's not a lot of people with my position there.

00:16:29.620 There's not a lot of people who are even familiar, perhaps, with some of the arguments or issues that I would necessarily want to address.

00:16:37.760 And so I'm going to, in a way, again, NatCon, I had my own criticisms of NatCon as well.

00:16:44.940 But NatCon is definitely a conservative conference, right?

00:16:47.680 It's 100% a conservative conference.

00:16:49.480 And it's not just a conservative conference.

00:16:51.220 The fact that Nationalist is in the title is going to self-select out even a lot of normie Republicans.

00:16:57.380 Not that everything at NatCon was edgy at all, by any means.

00:17:01.760 You had, you know, very mainstream politicians, you know, Josh Hawley and Vivek Ramaswamy and guys like that.

00:17:08.240 J.D. Vance, you know, all there.

00:17:10.240 But NatCon had a very specific focus, and so it was more like people who are definitively right-wing to at least some extent, then hashing out how best to build their coalition, manage their coalition.

00:17:23.520 And so you had guys like me and Paul Gottfried and Jeremy Carl standing next to more moderate conservatives, but we're all basically agreed that we should be heading at least in a nationalist direction, which kind of sets the locus of your conversations in a way that ARC doesn't.

00:17:43.520 So, again, as I bring my constructive criticisms here, recognize that I'm doing so from what pretty much everyone at that conference is going to consider the far right.

00:17:52.780 And so that conference isn't for me, in a way.

00:17:57.660 They invited me.

00:17:58.560 Jonathan Peugeot was kind enough to invite me and everything, put me up there and whatnot.

00:18:02.880 And so they wanted me there.

00:18:04.720 They wanted people like me there, but it's not the center of the conversation is what I'm saying.

00:18:09.580 It's a big tent.

00:18:10.520 They're trying to bring a lot of people in, and that means that they're going to have to appease a lot more people.

00:18:15.160 They're going to have to widen the topics of discussion.

00:18:17.120 And they're going to have to recognize the high degree of variance of opinions in the room and navigate all those things.

00:18:23.080 And that needs to be understood when you're kind of addressing what's going on.

00:18:26.980 So what were some of the talks like?

00:18:29.140 Well, it started off with Kimmy Braddock, who's like the head of the conservative party now.

00:18:36.420 There's a lot to be said about that fact.

00:18:38.540 But ultimately, she kind of acquitted herself pretty much exactly as one would expect.

00:18:44.640 She started by talking about a number of things.

00:18:49.480 But most importantly, the thing that stood out me the most was that she believed and praised the idea that somehow a school,

00:18:59.420 which I can't say that I know a ton about schools in the UK,

00:19:02.600 but what many people told me was like a very, you know, relatively progressive or like at best center-left school.

00:19:09.720 She was praising the fact that they were like banning religion and prayers at the school.

00:19:15.100 Now, she thought this was like super impressive because they were banning, you know, mostly Muslim prayers 0.72

00:19:20.100 because Muslims are the only religious people in the UK.

00:19:23.500 And yeah, like in a sense, ultimately, the Islamization of the UK is bad. 1.00

00:19:31.220 But the fact that she thought the solution was just to ban all of the religion in general,

00:19:38.440 she's like, we're going to be a secular state and ban all the religious stuff.

00:19:42.380 Like, and she thought that was a praiseworthy thing.

00:19:44.960 That's not great.

00:19:46.020 Like, that kind of shows a tone deafness to what was going on, where people in the room were.

00:19:53.640 And so that was kind of an embarrassing way to start off the day.

00:19:57.020 Jordan Peterson gave a good speech at the beginning, you know, kind of opened the whole thing up.

00:20:01.220 But she was kind of the first speaker after him.

00:20:03.900 And that was not great.

00:20:05.500 The best speech of the first day by far was Peter Thiel.

00:20:10.940 His discussion with Jordan Peterson and then the panel discussion that came after

00:20:15.680 with Mary Harrington and Jonathan Peugeot.

00:20:18.580 That one was very interesting.

00:20:19.840 And this was a general theme at ARC.

00:20:21.880 The technology discussions were far better than the political discussions in general,

00:20:28.780 because the technology discussions, I think, were allowed to be a little more, you know,

00:20:35.400 they were allowed to push more because they don't trigger all the landmines that are kind

00:20:42.380 of existing in a lot of those countries.

00:20:44.940 Again, to set the frame here, you have to remember, the United States just went through

00:20:49.860 basically a revolution.

00:20:51.340 I mean, more or less, Trump's election is a low-key revolution against our current ruling

00:20:57.380 order.

00:20:58.260 And so the energy going into NatCon, we didn't know whether Trump was going to get elected

00:21:03.000 or not.

00:21:03.400 In fact, he hadn't been shot yet.

00:21:04.920 J.D. Vance hadn't been put as the vice president yet.

00:21:07.460 But there was a feeling that momentum was building.

00:21:09.900 There was a lot of people there who were considering that they might be in the next administration.

00:21:14.500 There was an error that something was really happening at NatCon.

00:21:19.740 At ARC, something had just happened in the United States, but you could feel that all the

00:21:24.840 other countries weren't sure how to handle that.

00:21:28.220 UK, Canada, Australia.

00:21:31.860 David Brooks showed up in the second day speeches, and he said, don't follow Trump.

00:21:37.460 Don't do anything that Trump is doing.

00:21:39.420 You don't want to hitch your wagon to that horse.

00:21:42.080 And he got booed.

00:21:43.060 So there was an interesting disconnect between the speakers on stage and the crowd, which

00:21:48.400 I'll get to in a second.

00:21:49.740 But ultimately, in the first day, like I said, Peter Thiel doing his speech or his discussion

00:21:56.040 with Jordan Peterson, he kind of ignored Jordan Peterson's questions and just kind of did what

00:22:00.700 he wanted to talk about, which I think ultimately was the right choice.

00:22:03.780 But Peter Thiel actually had a lot of interesting points on the nature of AI, the nature of the

00:22:11.220 value of humanity.

00:22:12.760 One of the things that he and Peterson discussed was when we build an AI that can reason, if

00:22:19.880 that's a possibility, does that make it human?

00:22:22.640 Does that infuse it with human values?

00:22:24.660 If we've just said that what makes you human is your ability to reason?

00:22:28.120 Then once the machine can reason, then there's really no reason to ultimately say it's not

00:22:34.000 a person as where Thiel really pushed this idea that actually, no, we are in sold like

00:22:40.700 we are made in God's image.

00:22:42.540 And that is what makes us human, not our capacity to reason, which was an incredibly important

00:22:49.120 point for a guy like Thiel to make.

00:22:51.120 He's like, we might make AI, we might even make an AI capable of reason, but it will not

00:22:57.380 be human because it will not have a soul.

00:23:01.220 And so therefore, no matter how intelligent it gets, it's just never going to be a person,

00:23:06.160 which was, again, a very important aspect to consider.

00:23:08.980 Also, he attacked Cartesian dualism and really the Enlightenment.

00:23:14.040 If you're familiar with Peter Thiel's work, that may not be an entire surprise, but that's

00:23:19.580 a pretty big thing for him to say on a stage with those kind of people, right?

00:23:24.600 Like the people who are listening to that, hearing that are probably hearing that for the

00:23:28.640 first time.

00:23:29.980 And so that one was significant.

00:23:31.540 And like I said, people like Mary Harrington and Jonathan Peugeot, once they got to the nature

00:23:35.760 of identity and AI and technology, this is where ARC was at its best, when it was addressing

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00:24:21.540 You don't have to be very careful about what you're saying because ultimately most people

00:24:24.640 just aren't familiar with a lot of what's happening in AI.

00:24:28.020 As where with politics, it's landmine after landmine.

00:24:30.500 And you have to be very careful about what you are going to kind of step on there.

00:24:34.640 So that was the best talk in day one.

00:24:38.160 Day two was very focused on culture.

00:24:41.800 And very interestingly, there was a focus on Christianity.

00:24:45.440 Now, to the credit of ARC, that probably felt extremely edgy.

00:24:50.520 Because European politics is very different from American politics.

00:24:54.040 I spoke to a number of political heads, you know, some head of UK parties and such.

00:24:59.120 And they really explained that in the UK, you just don't talk about God.

00:25:02.860 It's not like the United States where you say, okay, you know, ultimately, you know,

00:25:07.080 God bless America and our Christian values.

00:25:10.520 I will say there's a lot of talk about Judeo-Christian values.

00:25:14.060 I don't know what those are.

00:25:15.800 I've never met any Judeo-Christian.

00:25:17.680 Well, I shouldn't say that.

00:25:18.400 I know some, you know, Jewish people have converted to Christianity.

00:25:21.160 I guess you could call that Judeo-Christian.

00:25:22.980 But ultimately, you know, there was a lot of talk about Christianity and its centralization

00:25:28.940 or its rather its centrality to kind of the possibility of cultural renewal.

00:25:34.220 And for UK politicians and Canadian politicians and Australian politicians, that's like really

00:25:40.920 edgy for them because you just don't talk about God.

00:25:43.640 So acknowledging that Christianity is kind of important.

00:25:47.320 If you were going to talk about revitalizing the West, you probably need to have Christianity 1.00

00:25:52.040 at center.

00:25:53.040 It's nice that that was acknowledged, that that's kind of important.

00:25:55.900 So kudos to them for, you know, talking about that though.

00:25:59.600 And this is the real problem with that ultimately.

00:26:02.420 And this is the tweet I had that kind of people, you know, either felt very strongly one way or

00:26:06.480 another about the problem with it is that while they acknowledge that fact, the implications

00:26:13.120 of that fact seem to still terrify them.

00:26:17.660 So, you know, Jordan Peterson is pretty famous at this point for talking about the value of

00:26:21.840 Christianity and the lessons you can learn from Christianity and, you know, the virtue

00:26:25.500 that can be achieved in following Christianity, but not actually then becoming a Christian,

00:26:31.160 right?

00:26:31.380 That may or may not have changed.

00:26:32.720 He kind of said something like Jesus was ultimately God, I think recently, you know, Jordan Peterson

00:26:37.720 will never give you a straight answer on that, but someone kind of walked him into admitting

00:26:41.800 that.

00:26:42.680 And it felt like that was really the, like the story of the whole conference on that

00:26:46.600 issue was like a bunch of people who just got comfortable with recognizing that at some

00:26:52.800 point Christianity might have had a significant impact on the West.

00:26:57.240 And it's okay to notice that.

00:26:58.640 And it's okay to say that maybe we should value some of those things.

00:27:02.120 Uh, but if we, but nothing about like people actually practicing Christianity, actually

00:27:07.380 implementing, uh, those beliefs actively in public policy, fighting for any of that, that

00:27:13.840 was all very forbidden.

00:27:15.060 And again, I know that this is a collection of moderate people in an international audience.

00:27:20.080 So the idea for them that you even mentioned Christianity as a positive thing is already super 1.00

00:27:25.640 edgelord.

00:27:26.180 That said, sorry, but you know, we're like a thousand miles beyond that at this point.

00:27:31.960 And so it's an, it's probably a positive development for Europe overall.

00:27:35.940 I'm glad that they did it, you know, credit to the people who felt like that was going to

00:27:40.120 have some kind of cost.

00:27:41.140 I know for some people that probably did have a practical cost that said, it's not sufficient.

00:27:46.320 And, and it became incredibly clear how insufficient it was because in day two, we had, uh, dinners

00:27:53.780 and this was kind of their breakout session, right?

00:27:55.840 I complained about the lack of breakout sessions.

00:27:57.720 This is as close as it got.

00:27:59.220 And those are good.

00:28:00.280 Like you, you went to these dinners and they were all on specific topics.

00:28:04.100 Uh, and, and you had a panel of speakers and there were specific long moments for, for

00:28:10.680 question answered.

00:28:11.400 So again, I think there should have been a lot more of that, but they did have this one aspect

00:28:15.700 of it there.

00:28:16.320 So that was positive.

00:28:17.080 And I went to the can civilization be renewed panel and much to my delight, uh, at the beginning

00:28:23.600 of the panel, the entire discussion was at about the centrality of Christianity to the

00:28:29.580 Western experience and how important it is to embrace that fact.

00:28:34.020 Uh, and everyone on stage, you had like former prime ministers of Australia and guys like that.

00:28:38.460 And they were out there saying, this is critical, right?

00:28:41.640 We have to have this.

00:28:42.800 So very strong opening statements.

00:28:44.660 Loved it.

00:28:45.000 It was great.

00:28:46.580 But then we got to the questions and, uh, you know, I didn't ask a question cause I just

00:28:51.380 was kind of like trying to enjoy myself mostly at this conference and not be at the, in the

00:28:55.780 thick of, of, you know, everything.

00:28:58.360 Uh, however, the people asking the questions did all my work for me because, you know,

00:29:02.580 you got a question or two about free speech, but then about the third question in someone

00:29:07.520 said, uh, Hey, we've got a lot of Muslims being moved into the West.

00:29:13.200 Uh, and they are more religious than the Christians who exist there now to the extent that Christians

00:29:20.180 even practice in many of these countries.

00:29:22.480 How are we going to have a Christian revitalization in nations that are dominated by Islamic immigrants, 1.00

00:29:29.220 especially when it comes to the aspect of practicing religion?

00:29:32.020 Which is a really good question.

00:29:33.900 Like that's a, uh, I believe this guy was, was from like the, uh, uh, the new right in 0.97

00:29:39.140 like Norway.

00:29:39.900 Uh, so, so well done.

00:29:41.400 Great, great question.

00:29:42.300 Good challenge.

00:29:43.060 And unfortunately, every single speaker to a T, uh, failed this one, like immediately

00:29:49.560 their answers were, and I'm not even kidding.

00:29:52.940 Like, I'm not, I'm not being hyperbolic.

00:29:54.980 This was really the words that they used.

00:29:57.100 Well, actually Christian civilization is probably just done. 0.93

00:30:00.180 Like we're never going to be a Christian civilization again. 1.00

00:30:03.000 And we're probably not even going to be, uh, like a majority Christian.

00:30:07.360 So the most you can really hope for is that we get these Muslims to kind of respect the

00:30:14.400 Christian values while they're here and that we live them out more, uh, but like wouldn't 1.00

00:30:20.560 touch deportations, you know, wouldn't even touch the border and immigration on that topic.

00:30:26.580 Uh, none of them would say anything about preferring Christianity and institutions or law

00:30:32.320 or any of this.

00:30:33.220 Uh, they just said, well, uh, ultimately like Islam is kind of violent.

00:30:38.380 And so, uh, the, they're probably going to lose in the marketplace of ideas, right?

00:30:42.860 Like ultimately people will look at the, you know, violent Islamists and they'll say, well, 0.92

00:30:47.720 that's not the way we want to do politics.

00:30:49.180 And they'll vote for the Christian understanding instead. 0.99

00:30:52.080 Uh, which is like the dumbest thing you could ever say out loud in this scenario. 0.82

00:30:57.420 Like just looking at the evidence on the ground in Europe, uh, you can see how much 0.81

00:31:02.760 that isn't true.

00:31:03.560 Like how actually, uh, people are flacking, flocking to the strong horse.

00:31:08.440 Like people get really angry.

00:31:11.500 Um, uh, what's that guy's name?

00:31:14.100 Who's like the pimp.

00:31:14.960 I've suddenly, it's, uh, it's suddenly that everyone hates the masculinity guy.

00:31:19.060 It's, uh, escaped my mind.

00:31:20.960 All of a sudden chattel yell it at me in a second.

00:31:22.560 Um, but everyone gets really angry at this guy, uh, that, that any conservative would

00:31:28.700 talk to him, that, that any right winger would listen to him, that young men in particular

00:31:33.620 would, would ultimately, uh, acknowledge him.

00:31:37.280 Andrew Tate.

00:31:37.800 Thank you.

00:31:38.200 Thank you, chat.

00:31:38.780 Andrew Tate.

00:31:39.360 So people get really angry that anyone talks about Andrew Tate and I did it. 0.99

00:31:44.480 Like Andrew Tate is a scumbag. 1.00

00:31:46.260 Like he is a pornographer, he's a pimp, uh, and he's a, he's a Muslim. 1.00

00:31:51.480 Uh, um, I don't know how that works. 0.99

00:31:53.460 Uh, but I guess because they're white girls sometimes that that's actually usually the 1.00

00:31:57.480 standard.

00:31:57.760 That's legitimately the standard.

00:31:58.980 If they're white girls who aren't Muslim, then you can, you can treat them that way. 1.00

00:32:03.260 Um, however, uh, you know, a lot of people get angry that anyone will talk about Andrew

00:32:08.620 Tate.

00:32:08.960 And I totally get that.

00:32:09.960 Cause he's a bad person.

00:32:11.280 That said, if you are acting like this, right, like if this is the other option is just complete

00:32:20.320 submission, complete destruction, complete cultural capitulation, uh, telling men that

00:32:26.780 they should just never have any, uh, agency, any power, any authority that they should just

00:32:32.340 take the beating.

00:32:33.260 Every time they should turn over their cultures, they should turn over their countries. 1.00

00:32:37.080 They should open their borders. 1.00

00:32:38.560 Like if this is the alternative message to a guy like Andrew Tate, then Andrew Tate is

00:32:44.140 going to win every single time. 0.99

00:32:45.560 And to be clear, even though he's a piece of garbage, he deserves to like, you deserve 0.99

00:32:49.580 to be ruled by an Andrew Tate. 0.99

00:32:51.520 He is Genghis Khan in this sense, right?

00:32:54.060 Like God has sent him as a punishment for your inability to be a man and stand up for your

00:32:59.660 country and defend it.

00:33:00.640 Uh, like you, you, the, his very existence, the fact that he's, he has any audience speak

00:33:08.040 to how weak you are.

00:33:10.320 Uh, and that's, that was really just gross that that was the, because the first guy who

00:33:15.000 answered on the panel said, well, maybe someone, you know, he said, we're never going to have

00:33:18.040 a Christian civilization again.

00:33:19.260 We're never going to have a majority Christian culture again. 1.00

00:33:21.860 And he said, maybe somebody else will get angry at me on the panel or, or, or think differently.

00:33:25.780 And I was really hoping that someone else on the panel would stand up and say, no, man,

00:33:30.500 like, obviously that can't be the case.

00:33:32.440 Of course, we prefer Christians. 0.65

00:33:34.100 Of course we limit immigration of, of foreigners and especially foreign faiths. 1.00

00:33:39.680 Like, of course we do that.

00:33:41.280 And none of them had the courage to do it.

00:33:43.160 None of them, none of them while on a panel specifically about cultural renewal, which

00:33:49.040 is just humiliating.

00:33:50.860 It's, it's really gross.

00:33:52.220 And so again, for a lot of people, just acknowledging that Christianity was central to their culture

00:33:58.600 is probably like super taboo, right?

00:34:00.540 It's, but that's why they're being dominated by Islam. 1.00

00:34:03.440 Just real simple.

00:34:04.860 Like that's why they're being conquered and they will be conquered if they don't change

00:34:08.440 that attitude immediately.

00:34:10.540 If they do not change that attitude, they will be conquered and they deserve to be conquered

00:34:16.600 because that is such an incredible acquiescence to a foreign hostile power that what else

00:34:23.680 do you think is going to happen, right?

00:34:25.800 Beyond the fact that it's just deeply immoral and, you know, biblically enacted, like all

00:34:30.760 kinds of stuff, all kinds of problems.

00:34:32.400 But, but just the, the, just the basic math of what's going to happen power wise in that

00:34:39.380 dynamic is extremely obvious.

00:34:41.440 And yet these guys just kind of couldn't get it together.

00:34:44.780 So again, day two, a lot of Christianity, great, awesome, glad we're at least to the 0.99

00:34:50.440 part where even kind of the moderate liberals have to be like, yeah, Christianity, pretty

00:34:54.560 important, kind of need to do this thing.

00:34:56.320 Right.

00:34:57.060 But obviously, ultimately not quite working out.

00:35:00.740 The, the third day, um, my favorite talk probably came from Eric Weinstein, uh, who I

00:35:06.660 have, you know, a number of disagreements with, however, uh, he introduced, uh, a lot

00:35:12.420 of, uh, Curtis Yarvin's ideas, uh, which ultimately, uh, you know, Curtis Yarvin was there, said

00:35:17.740 hi to Curtis, uh, and you know, he was there in person.

00:35:20.280 Um, but, uh, that, that speech was basically, let me explain to you, Curtis Yarvin and like

00:35:25.820 a lot of the other online rights stuff, but in different terms.

00:35:28.440 So he, he take, he took the cathedral and he renamed it the disc.

00:35:32.160 Like, I don't, I know a lot of people don't like the cathedral.

00:35:34.860 That's fine.

00:35:35.340 But like the disc is a really terrible, uh, alternative name for that, but basically

00:35:40.260 explain like, okay, you guys are all being ruled by this large consensus apparatus.

00:35:44.680 And, uh, you know, you're being dominated by kind of these huge media profiles and

00:35:48.920 technological, uh, uh, advancements that are ultimately monitoring you everywhere and

00:35:55.140 manipulating your opinion and driving you towards a consensus.

00:35:58.840 So that was good.

00:36:00.040 Um, he also discussed basically fifth generation warfare, the fact that all states are kind

00:36:04.700 of continuously in this technological propaganda war and that a large amount of, uh, kind of

00:36:10.920 the defense industry and intelligence industry is pivoting to kind of this way of understanding,

00:36:16.000 uh, conflict.

00:36:17.820 Uh, and so like, those are really good, but the most interesting or at least controversial

00:36:22.300 part of that speech was his assertion that the CIA, uh, had more or less, uh, at gunpoint

00:36:31.260 limited research into physics since 1970.

00:36:35.500 And I'd like to ask him more about that.

00:36:37.420 I just don't know.

00:36:38.380 I met him briefly while I was there, invited him on the show.

00:36:40.840 Hopefully you'll follow up with that.

00:36:42.180 Uh, but he, uh, asserted that the, uh, intelligence agencies had colluded with, uh, obviously the

00:36:50.460 different universities and such to more or less stagnate physics exactly where it was because

00:36:56.740 that allowed for international cooperation, right?

00:37:00.960 Like if you have, if you're doing dangerous work in physics, if you're doing work in physics,

00:37:05.160 that'll allow you to just like evaporate a country from, uh, thousands of miles away,

00:37:10.120 which I suppose we already have in nukes, but you understand what I'm saying.

00:37:13.040 If you're advancing weapons technology, which you ultimately do, if you're advancing physics,

00:37:17.040 then you can't invite a bunch of foreigners in because they're going to get the technology 1.00

00:37:22.600 and they're going to kill you with it. 0.92

00:37:23.980 Uh, however, if you are, if you just kind of killed, uh, advancement, technological advancement,

00:37:29.040 right where it is, then you can have an international coalition because you're just not doing

00:37:33.660 anything of substance.

00:37:34.740 The physics isn't going anywhere.

00:37:36.260 You're going to have a bunch of people from all over the world, writing papers about things

00:37:39.600 that don't matter.

00:37:40.840 Uh, and so that kind of, uh, makes it safe and sanitary for you to then bring in a bunch

00:37:45.240 of people and just kind of have that international coalition.

00:37:47.800 Again, I have no idea what the validity of this is.

00:37:50.360 I'm not a theoretical physicist.

00:37:51.540 I have no way to judge the literature and whether or not he's correct about the involvement

00:37:55.240 intelligence agencies and, uh, more or less mothballing, uh, all theoretical physics for,

00:38:00.800 you know, the last 50 or so years.

00:38:03.100 But if that assertion is correct, it's incredibly important.

00:38:05.820 It's probably the most groundbreaking thing at the conference.

00:38:09.060 And, uh, very interestingly, it would prove Nick Land's assertion, uh, that the managerial

00:38:14.600 lead are more or less a, uh, a human defense mechanism against the attempt by capital and

00:38:23.360 technology and intelligence to escape human concerns.

00:38:26.940 And at least very, at least the concerns of the organized state as we understand it.

00:38:31.960 Uh, so it'd be very interesting to find out whether or not that's all true, but at the

00:38:36.040 moment I, I can't do anything more than speculate and say, hopefully I can kind of follow up on

00:38:40.940 that.

00:38:41.220 So those were kind of the, the most interesting things said on stage.

00:38:45.260 Now, like I said, much more interesting when the, what's happening on stage is what's happening

00:38:49.560 off stage.

00:38:50.440 Uh, first, you know, if you go to these things, you get to connect with a lot of people.

00:38:54.860 And like I said, that's really the important thing that's happening.

00:38:57.780 Uh, got to spend a lot of time with Carl Benjamin, uh, and, uh, Benjamin Boyce, uh, number, number

00:39:03.960 of other people, Mary Harrington, uh, a lot of, a lot of people met Eric Metaxas and Rod

00:39:09.020 Dreher and Eric Weinstein, you know, is, is great to, to meet a lot of those people.

00:39:12.960 And Kevin Sorbo, you know, Hercules was, was, uh, roaming around, you know, took my picture

00:39:17.720 like a big, big nerd, uh, with him.

00:39:20.780 Uh, so that, that, that part's good, but more importantly than like meeting people you've

00:39:25.320 talked to or you saw on TV, uh, ultimately the most, much more important thing is that

00:39:31.120 you make connections with a lot of interesting people and you get to read the room.

00:39:36.280 And by reading the room, what I felt was two things.

00:39:40.780 One, uh, the people on stage were far more moderate than most of the people in the crowd.

00:39:48.500 Now the crowd, there are plenty of people there who are just like, man, Douglas Murray, just

00:39:53.200 breaking.

00:39:53.840 And to be fair, Douglas Murray's better than most of those guys.

00:39:56.580 He's pushing the, the, the limits much more than, than many of those speakers.

00:40:01.120 Uh, but they're the kind of people who look at, uh, you know, uh, the IDW and think that

00:40:06.460 they're just the cutting edge.

00:40:07.460 Barry Weiss is just the, the bravest human being in the world.

00:40:10.400 Right.

00:40:11.060 Uh, so there are some of those people, but there's a lot of people there who were just

00:40:14.580 saying, okay, that's nice, but when are we going to get to the meat and potatoes?

00:40:19.240 Cause I guess, you know, this, I think this was the third, one of these that they've held

00:40:22.380 so far.

00:40:22.920 And what I heard from a lot of people is a very recycled speakers, recycled topics, uh,

00:40:27.720 that, that, uh, outside of Christianity being a much more of a theme in this one than it

00:40:32.100 had been with some of the other ones.

00:40:33.360 Uh, a lot of the same people saying the same things for several years.

00:40:37.540 Now, again, there are plenty of conferences like that.

00:40:39.740 You go to CPAC and this stuff.

00:40:41.460 Okay.

00:40:41.940 But ARC is supposed to be the new.

00:40:45.480 WF.

00:40:45.960 It's supposed to be the new trendsetter.

00:40:47.620 It's supposed to have, you know, they hand you this bag of position papers written by,

00:40:51.740 to be fair, very intelligent people.

00:40:53.520 So on important topics and, and they're supposed to be setting an agenda.

00:40:58.340 So if you're setting an agenda, but you're just recycling the same speakers because they

00:41:02.600 have like a high profile or they're relatively unoffensive to the audience that you're presenting

00:41:07.340 to, then you're kind of missing out on what you're supposed to be doing.

00:41:11.420 Uh, so a lot of people are saying that a lot of people are saying, you know, that, that

00:41:14.920 the, the tone of the discussion on stage was a little too, uh, tepid.

00:41:21.500 Also a lot of the European, uh, people who were there were saying, why aren't we doing

00:41:27.280 more of what America is doing?

00:41:28.920 Why America is having these big wins.

00:41:31.060 We want to have these big wins, right?

00:41:32.700 Not everybody.

00:41:33.460 Again, not everybody there is like that.

00:41:35.200 There are progressives there.

00:41:36.720 There are moderate liberals there who are scared by Donald Trump.

00:41:39.300 Uh, but a lot more of the, the European right wing that was represented at the conference

00:41:44.160 very much had that feeling.

00:41:46.440 The other thing that you acknowledge almost immediately, if you're talking to the wider swath of people

00:41:51.260 in the conference is that anyone under, I'd say like 45 is just radically more right wing.

00:41:58.820 Just, just way, way, way more right wing, uh, than the conference was.

00:42:04.100 Uh, and this is the most right wing opportunity they had, right?

00:42:07.460 So the, the, you know, it, all, all the, you know, zoomers and millennials for the most part 1.00

00:42:12.100 that were there, uh, were really looking for something that was much more right wing.

00:42:16.760 And that's good news ultimately, right?

00:42:18.720 That, you know, they, they were unsatisfied with the conference, but the fact that they

00:42:22.060 were unsatisfied means that they have much more aggressive attitudes.

00:42:26.940 I see someone saying men under 45, actually, no, a lot of the women were also in that school.

00:42:33.580 I will say that in general, men are more right wing than women.

00:42:36.640 I'll acknowledge that.

00:42:37.320 I'm not, it's not me saying that fact isn't, isn't correct, but most of the women I spoke

00:42:42.680 to were pretty right wing, especially those again, under 45 that they really were.

00:42:47.780 Um, and so, uh, that, that means that there was probably a generational change turnover.

00:42:53.900 That's going to happen there.

00:42:55.040 We're kind of getting that in the United States right now.

00:42:57.340 I think JD Vance, uh, being elevated, help us feel like that was happening a little bit.

00:43:03.260 And so that, that could be also the case in Europe.

00:43:07.200 Ultimately, I think that could be the turnaround that you see there as well.

00:43:11.140 Once that new generation comes in, uh, they're, they're definitely much further to the right

00:43:17.420 than the people who are running the conference.

00:43:20.200 And so that's, I think, going to be a big deal.

00:43:23.720 Um, so the, the, the feel was definitely that the conference was productive, but there wasn't

00:43:31.220 enough debate.

00:43:32.120 There wasn't enough acknowledgement of difference in the coalition and perhaps that's intentional,

00:43:37.200 right?

00:43:37.440 Like you're trying to get these people.

00:43:39.340 There's a lot of people who are just still terrified to be right-wing and, and scared

00:43:43.860 to be Christian.

00:43:45.220 And so when you have that outlook, when you have that approach, uh, everything, you know,

00:43:50.400 even mildly conservative feels transgressive.

00:43:53.460 Uh, but ultimately it felt like it was definitely lagging behind both, you know, what was happening

00:43:59.240 in the United States and even with the younger people and, and a wide swath of the audience

00:44:03.920 there was looking for.

00:44:05.260 Um, and that meant that it wasn't acknowledging that there might be significant, important

00:44:10.260 differences inside the coalition.

00:44:12.140 Now, if you're only trying to build the coalition, if you're just trying to find the common ground,

00:44:16.140 then I guess that makes sense.

00:44:17.820 Uh, but then you're kind of setting yourself up for some pretty jarring bumps in the road.

00:44:22.600 Once you realize that the right-wing people who are under 40 are looking for something very,

00:44:28.260 very, very different than I, Eric Weinstein.

00:44:31.800 Uh, and so you, you kind of end up in that, uh, that scenario.

00:44:35.660 So needed more debate, uh, needed more acknowledgements of differences inside.

00:44:41.360 I think the coalition needed more acknowledgement that Donald Trump, uh, and the kind of the

00:44:47.480 revolution that was happening in the United States could have, uh, cascading effects.

00:44:52.660 So another thing, I had this conversation several times, uh, at the conference that I, and I think

00:44:58.060 this is interesting because a lot of people, uh, came to me with the same problem and we kind

00:45:02.520 of worked through it the same way several times.

00:45:04.400 One thing that is definitely happening right now is there a signal lag between the European

00:45:10.320 elites and the American elites.

00:45:12.000 So obviously America has been ruled by kind of the consensus, uh, uniparty, uh, you know,

00:45:19.560 globalist progressive set for a long time, right?

00:45:22.640 You'll have your, your, your, uh, John McCain's and your Mitt Romney's as opposition, but ultimately

00:45:28.840 that's really what's dominated.

00:45:30.600 And so because of that, and because of the fact that America more or less

00:45:34.140 conquered the world after world war II, uh, the European elites have been selected for 0.98

00:45:39.580 their ability to mimic American elite attitudes and what defines American elite attitudes.

00:45:47.340 It's, uh, crapping on, uh, rural Southerners, white Christians in the United States, right? 0.99

00:45:53.020 It's hating the chuds. 0.99

00:45:53.900 It's hating the fly over people, it's hating the MAGA voters, the basket of deplorables.

00:45:58.140 It's hating the actual conservative base, Donald Trump voters.

00:46:02.460 And so, uh, a lot of people will say, Oh, all the European elites hate America, but that's

00:46:07.100 not exactly right.

00:46:08.060 They don't hate Americans per se.

00:46:10.060 Uh, what they hate is the Americans that American elites hate, right?

00:46:14.460 They hate Donald Trump.

00:46:15.420 They hate the people who vote for Donald Trump.

00:46:16.780 Uh, but they're, they're fine actually with the American elites.

00:46:20.540 Cause they want to ingratiate themselves with the American elites.

00:46:25.980 And so, uh, ultimately, uh, there's this signal lag because for so long, your status as a European

00:46:33.580 elite, a Canadian elite, uh, you know, a Australian elite was tied to hating these people in the United

00:46:41.020 States.

00:46:41.820 And even though the elite is starting to experience a turnaround in the United States, and we're

00:46:46.780 definitely going to see a cut down in the amount of influence that that has, because we're cutting

00:46:52.380 things like USA ID and like, you know, scaling back foreign policy, uh, you know, you're probably

00:46:57.900 not going to get as many color revolutions, uh, especially from the left.

00:47:02.300 From the United States, uh, because of that, the United States is going to have less impact 0.94

00:47:06.620 impact on European internal politics.

00:47:10.540 And therefore, uh, they're going to, uh, be able to form some of their own opinions, right?

00:47:15.980 They're going to be able to actually rule in the interest of their own people and not just spend

00:47:19.820 all their time signaling, uh, to us progressives, you know, that we're on your team or whatever.

00:47:24.620 Uh, but there's still, of course, the majority of European elites were selected for their ability

00:47:29.340 to signal this.

00:47:30.220 And so there's this lag time where, uh, they're still doing the thing that got them to where they

00:47:36.540 are, even though the incentive structure for doing it is gone.

00:47:39.100 So now Donald Trump's in charge.

00:47:40.780 He's cutting all of this USAID and stuff that was paying for this, you know, a lot of this

00:47:45.340 propaganda, uh, that you're going to get fewer inroads by signaling this.

00:47:49.260 You can kind of see this with, uh, Zelensky right.

00:47:51.340 And Ukraine, uh, he's still acting as if the way to win international support is to like,

00:47:57.100 hate people in the United States and hate Trump and hate his voters.

00:48:00.780 Uh, and that was a big mistake as we've seen recently from kind of Donald Trump's response

00:48:05.260 to this.

00:48:05.900 Uh, and so, uh, I think a lot of European elites are still lagging in this signal,

00:48:09.900 right?

00:48:10.140 Because they, they still think they have to put on, uh, this affectation of like, yeah,

00:48:14.940 I hate, uh, some guy in Alabama who opposes abortion.

00:48:18.220 Like that's the way to show that you're like a real European elite of high, uh, high caliber.

00:48:22.780 Uh, they're still doing that.

00:48:24.380 And so that means that they're like doubling or tripling down on broken ideologies, even

00:48:28.780 as the U S is like discarding them.

00:48:30.460 Uh, and so there's going to have to be the certain amount of momentum.

00:48:33.420 Uh, you're going to have to see that generational shift that we were talking about before the

00:48:37.580 Europeans can really kind of free themselves from this kind of occupied continent mentality,

00:48:43.420 to be frank, that they they've had.

00:48:44.860 Uh, and hopefully when they do that, you're going to see a shift towards the right, because

00:48:49.980 once they can actually think about their own people, their wellbeing, uh, not focused internationally,

00:48:55.980 but, but you know, more nationally, then naturally things move to the right.

00:49:00.220 But there's a certain level of development that, that has to occur before that ultimately takes

00:49:05.660 place.

00:49:06.060 Uh, so, uh, ultimately I'd say that the conference is productive.

00:49:09.820 I think it's a good thing.

00:49:11.020 I'm glad that Jordan Peterson and many of the other people putting it on are doing so.

00:49:14.860 But, uh, I think that they really need to acknowledge as fast as possible that things

00:49:20.780 have changed.

00:49:21.740 The, uh, the, the political situation has changed.

00:49:24.220 The Overton window has shifted very rapidly.

00:49:27.100 You know, the, the IDW felt like it was prying that window open.

00:49:30.540 Uh, but in the United States, it just got blown out, right?

00:49:33.660 Like it got completely blown out.

00:49:35.180 Forget prying it open.

00:49:36.380 We, we, we have thrown it out, you know, throw something through the window and jumped

00:49:40.460 through, uh, the window.

00:49:41.820 And so it's a very different dynamic, uh, and they kind of need to acknowledge that

00:49:45.740 and they need to accelerate their development, whether they feel comfortable or with that

00:49:49.180 or not, it doesn't matter because most of their audience and definitely their younger

00:49:53.660 audience is demanding it.

00:49:55.580 They need things to change and they're not okay with going the current speed.

00:49:59.820 Uh, so that's a huge thing.

00:50:01.900 Now I've heard that there's going to be another NatCon in Europe, uh, and, uh, possibly in England.

00:50:07.820 And that's awesome.

00:50:08.860 Uh, like I said, I, I think that conference is explicitly because it's explicitly nationalist.

00:50:14.380 Therefore, uh, you know, more conservative right wing more happens there.

00:50:18.220 I'm not saying that you can't have both of these things.

00:50:20.140 Uh, ultimately I think, you know, probably having both of them is good if nothing else

00:50:24.540 for the contrast of what's going on.

00:50:26.700 Uh, but, uh, I'm certainly, uh, encouraged that probably because this, what do I say?

00:50:34.620 How do I say this kindly because this conference was more milk toast than it should have been.

00:50:40.300 That will probably encourage NatCon UK to be more adventurous than it was going to be before

00:50:48.380 because the contrast is too high.

00:50:50.060 Everyone is like everyone, even, even more moderate people that I know that were there

00:50:54.540 were like, yeah, this was, this one was kind of bland.

00:50:56.700 Uh, so that's probably a good, uh, contrast to encourage then the, the NatCon to be like

00:51:04.700 the actual right wing conference conference.

00:51:07.020 The one that's really setting an agenda, the one that's really picking up on the zeitgeist,

00:51:10.700 the one that's really exploring where we can go.

00:51:13.020 Uh, I hope that ends up being the case.

00:51:15.420 Ultimately, again, this is an international conference, so it's not just for me.

00:51:19.020 It's not just for the United States.

00:51:20.220 It's not just for the right wing.

00:51:21.660 So I can recognize that, uh, and, and know that that means that it's not going to always

00:51:26.220 be discussing the topics I want to discuss in the way I want to discuss them.

00:51:30.060 Uh, but I can still point out the flaws and some of the reasoning and say, Hey, you know,

00:51:33.580 these are some areas where you guys can do better while still acknowledging that it's great

00:51:37.180 that the conference took place.

00:51:38.540 And I hope that they kind of take the feedback and, and move towards something that's going to,

00:51:44.620 uh, help the people who are actually supposed to be helped by these conference in more

00:51:49.020 significant ways.

00:51:49.900 Uh, so those, those are kind of my thoughts on what happened.

00:51:52.700 Like I said, ultimately, uh, glad I went to the conference, glad I met a lot of great people.

00:51:56.860 Uh, I think that the conversations in kind of the meeting hall were much more productive

00:52:03.580 ultimately than what was happening on stage.

00:52:05.580 But the, there were good talks on stage, especially the ones focused on artificial intelligence,

00:52:11.740 technology, identity, these things are, are, are very important.

00:52:15.820 And you can say more on them without offending people because, uh, they just don't know.

00:52:20.300 They're not as emotionally invested in to these as they are, say, uh, political issues.

00:52:24.380 And, you know, the UK is actively arresting for people for having political positions

00:52:28.620 as where they're not actively arresting people for having, uh, technological positions for the

00:52:33.420 most part.

00:52:34.220 And that was also interesting.

00:52:35.500 I talked to people from Germany, from the UK, uh, who said that, you know, they have,

00:52:39.340 they know tons and tons of people who are very right wing and they just don't say anything

00:52:43.900 because they're terrified that the government's going to come for them and their kids, like

00:52:46.620 specifically, especially in Germany.

00:52:48.380 You know, I was talking to one, one guy from Germany, he said, yeah, we're like, we're terrified

00:52:51.900 that, uh, you say anything out of line and the state's going to come for your children. 0.73

00:52:55.740 And they do on a regular basis, not just you, you're not, it's not just that you're going

00:52:59.740 to get in trouble.

00:53:00.380 It's that they're going to take your family.

00:53:02.380 Um, and so, uh, you know, Western liberal democracy, you know, that's, that's, there you go.

00:53:07.740 Here's some classical liberalism for you, but, uh, but yeah.

00:53:11.020 Uh, so I think that was kind of the state of the conference.

00:53:13.660 Uh, I'm sure they're going to have another one.

00:53:15.420 I hope that when they do, uh, they take some of that under advisement and they continue

00:53:19.100 to move things in a positive direction.

00:53:21.740 All right.

00:53:22.220 I'm going to head to the questions of the people here real quick.

00:53:26.300 Let's see here.

00:53:27.180 Uh, and on reviewer said, what did Paul Vander clay talk about at the arc conference?

00:53:31.580 So I met Paul there, uh, you know, had Paul on the show multiple times, a good guy.

00:53:36.780 Uh, but I don't believe Paul was actually speaking at the conference.

00:53:40.380 A lot of people who were there weren't necessarily speaking.

00:53:43.100 I was one of those people.

00:53:44.540 Uh, and so, uh, he was more, uh, just kind of, he was actually not even in most of the talks.

00:53:49.420 He was mostly, uh, trying to like get people together to have conversations, I think.

00:53:53.980 Uh, so I, I spoke with Paul briefly, but he didn't make, uh, any particular, uh, presentation at arc.

00:54:02.860 Again, and on reviewer says, is the long house, the same thing as the cathedral?

00:54:05.980 No, those are distinct, uh, different things.

00:54:08.060 Uh, you know, uh, I'll, I'll let you work out the differences there, but, uh, you know,

00:54:12.460 the cathedral is the information apparatus.

00:54:14.620 Long house is more of a cultural, uh, control, a hyper-feminized, uh, culture.

00:54:20.700 Uh, Templar says re physics.

00:54:23.100 It's true.

00:54:23.660 Most of the quantum fruit loops and theoretical silly strings are designed to harvest grants and 0.98

00:54:28.940 keep the old farts employed. 0.96

00:54:30.380 Yeah.

00:54:30.540 And that was really what a lot of the discussion was about, but I understand that part, what you're

00:54:36.300 saying that that's important, of course, that, you know, a lot of people talk about this with

00:54:39.660 the replica replicability crisis.

00:54:42.540 Peter Thiel talked about this, how people aren't really doing science.

00:54:45.900 We have more scientists that have, that have ever existed before more man hours being dedicated

00:54:51.340 to science than there have, or has been before, but fewer scientific advancements than we have

00:54:56.700 had in a long time. And that probably is because it's so much of the system is just parasitical,

00:55:02.380 right? Rather than a few geniuses really doing the science. We have a vast army of people who,

00:55:08.460 you know, midwit, you know, above room temperature IQ, uh, you know, kind of feeding off the system by

00:55:15.900 just securing large amounts of grant money, but it doesn't go anywhere. That's important,

00:55:21.340 but that's a separate, that's a different assertion than specifically the intelligence community

00:55:26.060 and the Pentagon went out of their way to basically hard freeze all scientific advancement in this

00:55:33.100 area. That's a much, that's a much bigger assertion. And I don't know how to gauge that if it's true.

00:55:38.220 And you know, it very much could be the case, uh, then that is a huge, huge thing. Uh, however,

00:55:44.940 uh, like I said, just no way to evaluate that by myself.

00:55:47.980 Uh, life of Brian literally arc, uh, we must accept the beating until morale improves. Yeah.

00:55:56.540 Unfortunately, man, that was said that was really the message. Uh, like basically we don't have a

00:56:04.700 plan for stopping an Islamic invasion or takeover of the culture. Uh, and I guess you just got to 1.00

00:56:10.380 hope that the marketplace of idea sorts this out like that. There really was like, yeah,

00:56:14.620 Christianity is really important, but we're not going to do anything about it. Like we're, 1.00

00:56:18.780 we're not going to prefer Christianity. We're not going to work into our laws. We're not going to 0.92

00:56:22.460 work into our education. We're not even going to use it to like screen our immigration. None of it. 1.00

00:56:29.260 So cool, I guess like we're getting conquered and that's just the way it's going to be,

00:56:34.460 but also Christianity is important. I don't know, man. It was bad. It was real bad. Uh, 1.00

00:56:39.420 maybe or Kimi, you know, the Kimi had the most, uh, the most radical solution, which was just be 0.80

00:56:45.980 super secular. We we've kind of seen where that goes, right? Uh, Flint bar, did you challenge

00:56:53.100 James Lindsay to a duel to settle your feud? Uh, so funny enough, uh, both James Lindsay and

00:56:58.540 Constantine Kiston were there. Uh, Constantine Kiston was like on the main stage. He's like one of the

00:57:03.660 major organizers and James Lindsay was there as well. I saw them popping around the whole time.

00:57:08.620 And by day three, I was like, you know what? Uh, we're in person, you know, we're men. Uh, let's,

00:57:13.820 let's just squash this, right? Like let's let, let's hash this out in person. Uh, so that, uh,

00:57:19.580 you know, we're not doing this, like, you know, uh, super feminine energy on Twitter, you know,

00:57:25.580 passive aggressive, uh, slap fighting each other. So, you know, I went up to James Lindsay,

00:57:30.940 shook his hand, uh, said, Hey man, you know, introduced myself. And he was like, uh, whatever mumbled

00:57:36.860 something about, and then just like kind of ran away. So I did my best. I tried to be the bigger

00:57:42.460 man, uh, on that one. And, uh, he, he was just like, Oh, I gotta go, or I'm late for something.

00:57:47.420 And just kind of disappeared. I did the same with Constantine, uh, kissing. I think I'm saying his

00:57:52.060 name, right. Sorry if I'm not. Uh, but, uh, I saw him, I did the same thing with him and to his credit,

00:57:57.180 uh, he stopped what he was doing. He was talking to someone else, stopped what he was doing,

00:58:00.620 pulled me aside, uh, you know, took the time to talk about my book, uh, talk about the conference,

00:58:06.780 asked me what I thought about it, ask if I had any feedback. Uh, you know, we, we didn't hash out every

00:58:12.060 issue. We didn't have like a deep debate, uh, about the issues that were going on. Uh, but you know,

00:58:16.780 he had the decency to be like, okay, this guy's making an effort in person. I'm going to stop what

00:58:21.900 I'm doing. I'm, you know, we're, I'm going to, we'll talk, we'll shake hands, you know, uh, so

00:58:27.580 ultimately, uh, you know, one for two, I guess, you know, uh, uh, kissing was much more receptive

00:58:34.060 to, uh, I think, trying to kind of figure things out a little bit in person. Uh, you know, James

00:58:38.940 just kind of blew it off and, and, and ran away. So what are you going to do? Uh, all right. So

00:58:43.900 that looks like all of our questions there, I guess we will go ahead and wrap this up. Uh, again,

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00:59:47.740 the United States. Always lovely to visit England. It's a beautiful place with a lot of my friends

00:59:52.700 in it. And I desperately hope that they make headway, uh, because the way things are going

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