The Auron MacIntyre Show - Slippery Slope Is Not A Fallacy ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 12⧸5⧸22

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00:01:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:01:33.560 Thanks for joining me this evening.

00:01:35.640 Got a great stream back here from the break.

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00:01:40.480 And one of my favorite co-hosts is with me today, The Potentialist.

00:01:44.020 Thank you for joining me, sir.

00:01:45.260 Well, thank you so much for having me on and congratulations on the big news.

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00:01:51.180 It's pretty wild.

00:01:52.900 I guess most people have probably already seen, but I'll be enjoying The Blaze here now full-time.

00:01:59.860 We'll have that with both the channel and going to be writing for them as well.

00:02:04.000 Probably going to have a new piece out on the Twitter files tomorrow with The Blaze.

00:02:08.680 So if people want to check that out, I was on Glenn Beck earlier today.

00:02:13.820 I was on his show.

00:02:15.200 Very kind to have me on over there.

00:02:17.600 I was doing a little bit of sign tapping over with Glenn and his radio show this morning.

00:02:23.800 So you can check that out if you want to catch that.

00:02:27.980 But today we're going to be discussing a topic that I think we've touched on many times on kind of this channel,

00:02:36.040 but I've never really dedicated an episode to.

00:02:39.440 And because we have so many stories in the news that kind of fit into this genre,

00:02:45.300 I figured it was a good time to have The Prudentialist on because I know he's done a video on it for his channel as well.

00:02:52.200 We're going to be talking about the slippery slope today.

00:02:55.220 We're going to be talking about the slippery slope and why the slippery slope fallacy is not really a fallacy,

00:03:00.820 why it's actually a very useful heuristic that we've kind of been scared away from in our society,

00:03:08.160 and why we keep seeing it popping up over and over again.

00:03:13.300 So like I said, I've got a couple different articles lined up for this.

00:03:18.700 But as we get kicked off, Prudentialist, since you've done a video on this before,

00:03:23.720 can you tell people a little bit why is the slippery slope not a logical fallacy or why is it something we should be paying attention to?

00:03:31.980 Sure.

00:03:32.720 So traditionally people will probably know what slippery slope fallacy is.

00:03:36.500 They've probably heard it in debate before or conversation with, you know, Pearl or Lefty Company before.

00:03:41.880 Or, you know, it's really that if A, well, if we allow A to happen, we'll go through all other 26 letters of the X that will end up at Z,

00:03:50.200 and therefore A shouldn't happen.

00:03:52.180 And it's usually along the lines of, well, you know, because no proof is presented to show that these extreme hypotheticals will happen,

00:03:58.900 you're just being hyperbolic, and we shouldn't believe that one simple fall of the domino will lead to the rest.

00:04:04.620 The problem is, is that especially in our politics, there's a pretty clear line of the domino's fall and where we can cite them.

00:04:11.940 In fact, when you go all the way back, for instance, to, you know, Griswold D. Connecticut,

00:04:16.300 the issue that had led into birth control being used within, you know, married couples and their private domiciles

00:04:22.600 had been raised in concern for dissent, saying that this logic could one day be used for the issue of abortion.

00:04:28.640 And lo and behold, the framework that gave way to birth control gave way into the logic and legal thinking and rationale behind Roe versus Wade.

00:04:37.580 The same thing we see all the time, disparate impact.

00:04:40.560 When we can easily point to historical examples and clear, you know, points where individuals claiming that this is going to be the next glass ceiling for us to break,

00:04:51.100 the next civil rights issue for us to explore, it's very true. 0.99

00:04:54.180 And history pretty much kind of demonstrates why the slope fall doesn't hold up to the way that liberals like to claim that it does.

00:05:01.080 I think about that meme came around in 2015 or even earlier about what would happen if we allowed gay marriage to happen.

00:05:08.680 And then it just said, you know, oh, the gays are allowed to be married and all these like extreme hypothetical examples,

00:05:13.480 like bargaining children or, you know, state, you know, sanctioned, transferred surgeries wouldn't happen and things like that.

00:05:20.340 Well, lo and behold, all those things did. So I think we've got a pretty clear proof that at least in our politics, when it comes to progressives,

00:05:27.060 they're using the idea that we hold so close to facts and logic when, you know, they say it right there.

00:05:33.940 It's kind of mask off. We hold back so we don't fall into our own respect for logic's reason.

00:05:39.780 Yeah, I think it's amazing that over and over again, we kind of see this pattern and that's really what it is, right?

00:05:48.080 The slippery slope is the encouragement to kind of avoid pattern recognition, avoid noticing that one of these things leads to the next,

00:05:57.780 leads to the next, that the rationale behind one decision will inevitably erode kind of the social barriers.

00:06:04.420 And I think that's kind of the, the allure of the argument is that it's, it tries to stay, you know, very direct and logical.

00:06:13.160 It tries to stay with the things that can immediately be proved.

00:06:16.880 But I think that there's a certain common wisdom in the understanding that society isn't just based on pure, you know, logical arguments.

00:06:28.020 It's not just completely based on formulaic logic. Society has certain barriers, has certain taboos built into it that kind of keep it functioning.

00:06:38.940 And that if one thing falls, the next thing will naturally follow is something that may not logically add up in a mathematical formula,

00:06:47.540 but it's something that we can kind of observably see every time.

00:06:51.220 And so when we're warned off of this slippery slope idea, I think it's really trying to keep us from following, I think, what was basic, you know, very basic communal logic,

00:07:04.340 very, very kind of ancient understanding baked into our traditions and kind of our culture and our taboos.

00:07:12.020 And we're encouraged to avoid that, you know, that kind of reasoning and instead, you know, kind of stick to the facts in a way that will make it easier to kind of slowly salami slice away those kind of restrictions and bring about certain outcomes.

00:07:27.700 And we're going to be looking today at a couple of different examples of kind of how that has worked.

00:07:33.340 So the first one I want to look at here is a story out of, I believe, Virginia.

00:07:40.200 Let me grab my, no, my screen share isn't showing up there real quick.

00:07:49.440 There we go.

00:07:56.360 So I wanted to share this story out of Virginia.

00:08:03.340 While getting that up, I do think that it's rather important for the audience or any potential, you know, disaffected liberal who might be tuning in hearing this.

00:08:12.220 We're not throwing out the slippery fallacy writ large or outright or on its face.

00:08:17.360 The fallacy does exist.

00:08:19.180 You know, it's important.

00:08:20.160 I think you hear it a lot with teachers when they say, you know, if you fail this math test, you won't get into calculus next year and then you won't get into that master's program that you want.

00:08:28.400 So you can't fail your math test, even though one test is going to be make or break for you to get into some sort of future course.

00:08:35.360 But when it comes to the instance in politics, we really shouldn't be ignoring the very things that they say that they want to do or are going to do because of a previous example.

00:08:43.200 So the Virginia elementary school here forced to host a satanic after school program.

00:08:52.700 Now, again, this is something that, you know, we hear the satanic panic, right?

00:08:57.480 The jokes about, you know, in the 80s, there's all these wild stories about, you know, Satan worship and how this stuff will come around and it'll take hold.

00:09:07.540 And, you know, it'll dominate, you know, your children will be taught, you know, this idea that these places were being operated or that there was, you know, secret societies happening inside child care centers.

00:09:21.340 Like this was all supposed to be very hyperbolic, very ridiculous is the kind of stuff that people would often mock that this kind of thing would be coming down the pipeline.

00:09:30.780 But here we have a school district that is apparently saying that it was required to host this.

00:09:37.480 Now, you can see the flyer here from the school that went out.

00:09:43.520 The club has a little satanic temple seal here with an animated Lucifer.

00:09:51.500 Of course, the satanic temple bills itself as ironic, right?

00:09:57.560 It's the Satan's not real.

00:09:58.900 This is a this is, of course, a a joke. 0.97

00:10:03.520 We're just showing, you know, that we all need to be like good humanists and religion is ridiculous, that kind of thing.

00:10:09.540 But I do want to just go ahead and remind people that there is no such thing as ironic Satan worship.

00:10:15.680 The act of pretending that the devil doesn't exist or that these kind of things aren't serious.

00:10:23.320 Trying to pretend that it's all tongue in cheek and, you know, isn't actually something people are investing themselves in is itself kind of a satanic rejection of the understanding of of kind of the world, the biblical understanding of the world.

00:10:39.800 But I don't think in the at the end of the day, even though people are pretending, trying to put on that they they don't believe in this stuff.

00:10:47.280 I think in the end, it is actually a subversion in a very real sense.

00:10:52.040 But this is the kind of thing that people would have said, you know, absolutely impossible, can't happen.

00:10:56.580 No way that, you know, we would see this. 0.89

00:10:59.140 You know, your crazy Southern Baptist grandma would be insane for suggesting this is something that we would see, you know, a state sponsored activity in a school. 1.00

00:11:09.380 And yet, lo and behold, here we are, you know, the school says it's compelled to kind of support this inside, not just any school, an elementary school here in Virginia. 0.89

00:11:21.740 Well, this sort of comes in the long march of consequences, again, sort of that legal aspect where Christianity is the dominant religion in the United States gets defanged in 1962 with regards to public prayer.

00:11:34.520 And I think it's Engel versus Vitaly, where public prayer schools violated the establishment clause.

00:11:41.780 But, you know, I don't want to go into herder, they're hypocrites, because I feel like people have heard that and know it from quite some time. 0.91

00:11:49.100 But this does illustrate quite a few things is that the legal parameters for like the traditional biblical or Christian understanding way that the world works and encouraging that to exist, not just inside the spaces of our church grounds, whatever you may attend.

00:12:02.400 And it's been defanged for a while, and it does illustrate sort of, I think, 60 plus years now of learned, well, actually, literally 60 years of learned helplessness from religious conservatives for all of this lawfare that had been conducted in, say, 2020, especially with lockdowns, organizations like the PGI, the Pacific Justice Institute, and the rest.

00:12:22.800 You know, these things are happening right before their eyes, the literal antithesis of Christianity, you know, promoting Satan himself towards children. 0.85

00:12:30.940 And what does this say? A public, does it say like an elementary school or something like that?

00:12:35.220 Yeah.

00:12:35.440 It's a public school system.

00:12:37.140 And so you're in a position now where kids are being exposed to, once again, the worst possible ideas.

00:12:44.280 Of course, they may say that it's to rebel or resist or to oppose.

00:12:48.160 But, you know, to me, this is demonstrative of the fact that, you know, the satanic panic and everything that we've talked about, that, yes, the conservative Christians from the 80s were probably right. 0.99

00:12:59.200 And, in fact, they've been sort of indicated, but we are certainly at a point now where we've been rather defanged.

00:13:04.740 And what makes it worse, right, is that this kind of shows how far culture has fallen.

00:13:10.940 I mean, there's a great meme that's been going around where it's like, what do you mean that 20 minutes of Sunday school every other week or so hasn't done anything to combat the 15,000 plus hours of socialization at public school a year and online and on their after school clubs?

00:13:25.840 And I think it does illustrate and kind of indict a little bit of failure on sort of the religious conservatives on our end, especially for the last 60 years.

00:13:34.640 Well, and I think you can tell this from the kind of response that we see from people like David French, not to, you know, give David French any credit here.

00:13:43.300 But unfortunately, his arguments are those that are not necessarily, you know, they are relative, even though many people don't like David French now,

00:13:51.640 his arguments are ones that you hear echoed kind of constantly on the right at this point.

00:13:57.280 I mean, it says here to the credit of the Chesapeake school system that they were kind of apologetic about this, saying that, like, we didn't really want to have this, but we had to.

00:14:07.840 Our lawyers said we were legally required, you know, to put this out and kind of host this viewpoint neutrality.

00:14:14.440 And I think this is really kind of the amazing failure, the retreat of kind of the religious right and, you know, like you said, the kind of the things they've been willing to put up with and the positions they've been willing to kind of yield to here in the last few decades.

00:14:32.940 For the vast majority of American history, it would have been very clear to pretty much everyone in the country that the right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion did not require the state to facilitate a club for the worship of Satan, right?

00:14:51.180 Like, that would have been a very obvious thing for the vast majority of people, that the expression of religious viewpoints and the ability of people to speak freely would not have required the state to host something like this.

00:15:04.940 But because the religious right has kind of retreated so consistently back to the point where viewpoint neutrality is now kind of their calling card, guys like David French will say that this kind of stuff is a blessing of liberty, right?

00:15:21.420 It's the same argument as the drag queen story are we have to allow this in order to allow Sunday schools to meet in, you know, or Christian clubs to meet in school.

00:15:32.040 So without, you know, without the Satan club, we don't get the Christian club and without drag time story hour, we can't have, you know, Bible studies. 0.93

00:15:40.160 And so, you know, this is the argument that gets put forward.

00:15:43.680 And unfortunately, I think a lot of even conservatives and Christian have accepted this as like the necessary tradeoff at this point, they might balk at the idea of a Satan club for children.

00:15:55.400 But at the end of the day, they've kind of bought into the legal framework and the cultural framework of viewpoint neutrality that leads to exactly this.

00:16:04.720 To some extent, yeah, I can understand how the legal viewpoint of neutrality probably does allow them to exist, these Christian clubs or a Bible studies club after school and so on, because the religiosity of the country has just been so effectively neutered for decades now to where, you know, church going people have gone less and less.

00:16:26.040 How many churches did not have been back up or congregations split apart after 2020 and sort of this has just been the long march of just going through the lines and trying to take away what had already existed.

00:16:37.900 And what makes it worse, of course, is that this is anchored towards children, as if, you know, here in the United States, we don't have a problem when it comes to advertisements, whether it's the recent fashion advertisements scandal, the problems of discord or, you know, even Reddit with its egg IRL.

00:16:55.480 You know, St. Basil the Great says hell can't be made attractive.

00:16:58.560 The devil makes the road to it very attractive.

00:17:00.900 And we should be kind of careful that we're, you know, allowing this sort of aspect towards it there.

00:17:05.960 When we talk about freedom of speech or the separation of church and state, a lot of that works and works fine and dandy when there is sort of a homogeneity to the religiosity.

00:17:15.700 I mean, America is founded on a variety of forms of Protestantism and Christianity in that regard.

00:17:20.500 So, I mean, it didn't stop people from killing Quakers, things like that early in the colonial history.

00:17:25.260 But when it's a nominally Christian country, it kind of makes it easy to have a freedom of separation of church and state.

00:17:31.140 But now when the state is telling, you know, the dominant cultural moral paradigm in the country, no, you kind of have to allow children to worship the devil, regardless of whether you can.

00:17:41.560 It's not said it's forced or mandated, not yet.

00:17:43.980 But to me, it does illustrate that there are some significant lack of teeth on sort of the right side when it comes to these legal issues, despite having the infrastructure for it.

00:17:54.800 And it also kind of illustrates, I think, some of the problems that we have with religion being a motivating political action in here.

00:18:01.900 You know, William T. Kavanaugh wrote a great book in 2009 called The Myth of Religious Violence that, you know, outside of the Western world, you know, the religious political divide of separation of church and state is a very foreign and new concept to them.

00:18:16.940 To them, religion is part of life.

00:18:18.460 And for us, we've been so directed being so part and parcel of our day-to-day life that this stuff happens and people get surprised.

00:18:26.140 Yeah, I think that the, yeah, like you said, the ability to really think that these things could be completely separated, that you can have, you know, values and religiosity completely removed from the public square in a way that could be truly neutral was kind of always an illusion, always something that's ridiculous, that these things will always be informed, these public spaces, the culture will always be informed by some level of religiosity.

00:18:53.580 And if you don't have something like Christianity being a shared consensus inside your country, then you're going to kind of naturally lead to this kind of stuff. 0.54

00:19:03.200 And again, it's being held up as tongue in cheek, of course, by, you know, the satanic temple.

00:19:09.460 It's not real.

00:19:10.260 They're not, you know, they don't really believe in this stuff, that kind of thing. 0.93

00:19:13.320 But I think at this point, you would hope people would understand that that's kind of ridiculous.

00:19:18.100 Also, you know, as this stuff erodes and people are allowed to do this kind of stuff mockingly at first, it kind of opens them up to taking it more seriously later.

00:19:30.840 And again, even if they do, are doing this in a completely mocking fashion, a completely unrealistic fashion, the fact that they are actively attempting to kind of subvert the idea of religion in general, again, kind of leaves people defenseless to be, they end up being these kind of ideologically empty vessels that can be filled up by the first thing that kind of portrays itself as secular, but in the end actually has a lot of religious connotations when it comes to values and worldview.

00:19:59.680 Well, absolutely.

00:20:01.860 And even here, it says it right there in the article.

00:20:04.000 It's been approved to hold events at another, you know, elementary school.

00:20:07.400 So we're talking about, you know, pre-Besen being exposed to things that the imagery, of course, leads to a variety of other things.

00:20:15.520 When people seek an alternative lifestyle, I feel like I'm repeating myself as, you know, every other conservative parent talking point for the last 50 years.

00:20:23.760 It's that once you do go down these roads, it's very hard to walk back from them.

00:20:28.060 I think we're seeing this even more so in full-throated force when it comes to detransitioned minors and people in their early 20s wanting to sue doctors.

00:20:37.260 This is how it works is that they get them young because an ideology that has no pro-life sentiments, the only way that it can thrive, survive, and reduce is to target the children of the innocent.

00:20:50.280 And that's what's going to keep going on there.

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00:21:23.620 Absolutely.

00:21:24.360 So we're going to move on from that story because I think we've kind of gotten that thoroughly here.

00:21:29.420 The next one is going to be about Canada.

00:21:32.560 So for those who haven't been paying attention, Canada has kind of slid into a rather dystopian state.

00:21:38.240 Of course, we know that Canada had this very extreme lockdown policy was kind of destroying the lives of anyone who wouldn't take the vaccine there.

00:21:51.520 Anyone who protested it could have their bank accounts stolen.

00:21:56.020 The family members of people who were attending the protest or anyone who financially supported those people could also have their bank accounts raided.

00:22:04.620 You know, Canada has really been destroying kind of the rights of its people on a regular basis.

00:22:10.400 I think they can finally leave if they're unvaccinated.

00:22:14.700 But for a while, for a long time there, you couldn't even leave the country.

00:22:19.220 You couldn't flee to another country unless you had kind of complied with the government mandate when it comes to vaccination.

00:22:25.060 So Canada has really been unconcerned with kind of the rights of its citizens for quite a while now, which is always hilarious when you then see Justin Trudeau get up there and start lecturing different governments on the way that they treat their people, their human rights.

00:22:42.240 You know, Justin Trudeau getting up there and lecturing the leadership of Iran on, you know, not allowing protests while he locks people up and steals their bank accounts is pretty ridiculous.

00:22:54.100 But, you know, that's not the only area in which Canada has kind of become a dystopian hellscape.

00:23:00.520 One of the areas that has been, you know, kind of fitting into our slippery slope theme today is the medically assisted death, medically assisted suicide that has really become a huge part of the Canadian health care system at this point.

00:23:15.260 You know, there's a lot of people who really got on to like Sarah Palin when she talked about death panels in the United States when it came to socialist health care.

00:23:26.420 And, you know, understandably, I guess at the time seemed very hyperbolic, right?

00:23:30.660 Just because the government is taking care of people doesn't mean it's going to suddenly start signing people up for euthanasia.

00:23:36.560 Right. But we've kind of seen this slowly but surely creep into the Canadian landscape.

00:23:42.980 Now, this, you know, story is from a while ago.

00:23:45.980 It's, you know, from 2017 about how medically assisted suicide could save money, right?

00:23:52.680 So we already kind of see this aspect of saving money when it comes to rationing care in Canada.

00:24:01.980 We'll go ahead and encourage people, you know, to kind of make this decision so that we'll be able to save more when it comes to long-term care.

00:24:11.180 But it gets a lot darker here.

00:24:13.380 I'm going to pull up a few of these.

00:24:16.380 You know, I do think that this is one part of a consequence that comes with sort of a downfall of the pandemic,

00:24:39.860 but also sort of secularization in both places like the UK and Canada.

00:24:44.740 The UK, of course, had, you know, it's the clap for NHS or NHS.

00:24:49.440 It was even a big argument that came for Brexit.

00:24:52.600 Canada's care or its national, you know, health service as well had had a lot of stress during the pandemic

00:24:59.120 and had faced a lot more strain before it came to the issues, say, in regards to immigration and the numbers to pay for it

00:25:06.320 and those that could actually carry the tax burden.

00:25:09.120 And so, of course, the pandemic comes around and you pair secularization, which takes away people's, you know, fear.

00:25:17.640 It takes actually it brings people's fears about death.

00:25:20.240 As a Christian, I don't fear death.

00:25:22.040 I fear the judgment that comes thereafter.

00:25:23.500 But, you know, when people are looking for a secular God or an altar to pray to and the state provides one,

00:25:30.420 you know, that point that G.K.

00:25:31.820 Ticherton makes that once people get rid of God, the government becomes God.

00:25:34.660 In this instance, it's the socialized health care.

00:25:37.440 And you mentioned Sarah Palin.

00:25:38.780 And I know a lot of people laughed about the Obamacare death panels thing.

00:25:42.660 But boy, oh boy, did that come true in other countries to where now we have advertisements that are focusing on people to promote what they call assistance in dying.

00:25:50.880 There have been numerous profiles of people that will face economic hardship, say, well, I'm threatening to have home foreclosed.

00:25:57.880 So I'm going to take the quote unquote easy way out and I'm going to embrace medical assistance in dying.

00:26:04.080 And, you know, as the article shows right here, you know, this medical assisted death program allows Boone for organ donation.

00:26:09.720 So we're getting sort of the Soylent Green style utilitarianism to deal with certain people that we can offer you the easy way out.

00:26:17.400 And there's another story with a Canadian disabled veteran that wanted a stair ramp access because she has a wheelchair and they offered medical assistance in dying instead.

00:26:26.740 And so we are now sacrificing our own population before the altar of the health care service to let people know, oh, you know, if you want to really save our medical service,

00:26:38.780 if you really want to make way for progress, then we're going to offer you the easy way out with a quick and painless death, which is the most undignified way possible to go.

00:26:47.740 Because anyone who's been around those who have, you know, who've been on deathbed or dying know that they will they typically fight tooth and nail to stay on for a few more moments,

00:26:56.620 whether it's for religious reasons, to see family, to get one more phone call.

00:26:59.880 And this is just absolutely terrifying to realize.

00:27:03.660 And I don't know how much of this is, you could say, slippery slope because, you know, because of nationalized health care we got to this.

00:27:08.880 But I do think it has a lot to do with more of a theistic, so afraid of dying or death, something that I can just be very ironic about.

00:27:16.940 I think that we see that a lot these days where young people are very ironic about their idea of, you know, ending their own lives or engaging in that kind of discussion,

00:27:26.580 that I think people start taking it a little more seriously and a little less ironic.

00:27:31.380 And here we go with people saying, hey, this is the way to go.

00:27:35.480 Take yourself out.

00:27:36.240 Yeah, I think you're right that in this case, what we have is a intersection of a number of different slippery slopes, right?

00:27:45.040 That we have this approach to kind of human well-being that, like you said, people no longer, you know, have an investment in kind of the value of human life.

00:27:59.020 It's no longer seen as sacred.

00:28:00.160 It's no longer linked to, you know, the value that's granted it by something beyond this world.

00:28:05.640 And then we also see the kind of slippery slope of the expansion of the state into decisions that it, you know, kind of previously never would have had domain over.

00:28:16.720 And kind of the natural utilitarian bean counting spreadsheet aspect that kind of comes once the state has to make, you know, decisions about this stuff when it's got limited resources.

00:28:32.700 As you were saying, you know, we had we had that story with the Canadian veteran and she asked for the chairlift and it was taking too long.

00:28:41.180 And so someone kind of suggested that she might, you know, need to look into the medically assisted dying.

00:28:47.140 And then we have very disturbing stories like this.

00:28:50.120 You know, you talked about the financial hardship when there's the story that Canadian television did kind of this sympathetic story about how, you know, home prices in Canada are skyrocketing and the cost of living in Canada is skyrocketing.

00:29:05.020 And therefore, you know, more and more homeless people or people who are living on the edge are considering this medically assisted dying as a solution to that.

00:29:15.340 And then we also see, you know, Canada allowing the medically assisted dying of the mentally ill.

00:29:20.480 And it's one of those things where, you know, you look at these scenarios and, you know, if I might be wrong on this, but I believe Canada does not have capital punishment, right?

00:29:32.740 Like they see themselves as a very progressive society, one that wouldn't allow, you know, people to be put to death for this by the state for a crime, but they're going to allow mentally ill people to be put to death. 0.91

00:29:46.040 You know, the very, you know, something, you know, very extremely eugenic, something extreme, you know, a lot of people would say would be, you know, some far right, you know, idea is something that they're super comfortable with when it comes to allowing it as part of this medically assisted dying program.

00:30:06.040 And so we see, you know, these states that otherwise would be very offended by the idea that the government would put people to death saying, no, it's fine that we would just, you know, go ahead and allow, you know, the poor or the mentally unfit to make a choice to do this kind of thing, if they're even capable of making that kind of choice.

00:30:26.840 It's, it's, it's, it's rather insane. Also, you know, as you're pointing out the, the, you know, financial strain on these kinds of things, many of these countries that have these much larger welfare states, what a lot of people would call socialized medicine, like the UK and Canada, you know, these are countries that have been allowing large amounts of mass immigration here recently. 0.88

00:30:47.940 They've been allowing a large increase in the number of people who are allowed to come in and take advantage of the, you know, the, the different benefits of the state, including health care.

00:31:00.280 They're often people who are also doing things like taking up large amounts of housing and increasing the cost of housing.

00:31:07.560 So, you know, people who are native to the UK or native to Canada are being kind of forced out of their own housing, having the price increases, the cost of living increases inside their country due to the mass immigration.

00:31:22.560 You're seeing increased strain on these country systems because of the pressure to allow this kind of mass migration into their country. 1.00

00:31:30.980 And then their solution for this is of course, not to close the borders or to limit the amount of, you know, asylum seekers who are allowed in the country to kind of, you know, pair back some of this stuff.

00:31:41.420 But their solution is to ramp up the availability of people to kind of end their lives if they can no longer deal with the financial hardship introduced by the very policies of the government in the first place.

00:31:56.740 I mean, this is like that commercial that they had, which was sponsored by a fashion company to promote medical assistance.

00:32:03.120 Diane profiled and followed someone who had went through the process.

00:32:06.460 It was the incredibly most diverse commercial I had ever seen in the 2022 year of our law.

00:32:12.040 And to me, it really illustrates some of the greater problems going to come ahead with this is that other than address the problems, it is the, you know, almost a Jonathan Swift style modest proposal that will simply get rid of the people that can't afford it and can't supplement our system to bring our people over.

00:32:29.260 And we'll just, you know, we'll just, you know, have them literally be eaten by the state in this regard and we'll have their organs transplanted and traffic them out for the purposes of keeping the medical system alive.

00:32:41.700 And so by, you know, deifying your health service by, you know, not illustrating a cultural rot at hand, the state has come to the raw Machiavellian consequence and logical conclusion. 0.99

00:32:53.860 But actually, it's easier to just kill you. And once you start devaluing the life of, you know, citizenry, at what point do you really have a country anymore?

00:33:03.560 And to what makes matters worse is that what's going to come out from this is going to be well, you know, people are going to willingly accept it.

00:33:11.120 And to me, I don't think you could really call Canada in the same way you can't really call the United States a predominantly religious country.

00:33:18.660 It's very secular in its regard. And now we've got our own death cult going on.

00:33:23.360 And this is a suicide contagion that is state sanctioned and promoted by the government.

00:33:28.180 Yeah, you know, our friend Morgoth has said many times that the UK is now kind of a health system with a government attached, you know, with a country attached.

00:33:44.220 And that the main, you know, kind of binding identity of that country is now primarily the health care system, as opposed to any kind of national unity or any kind of value to the individual citizen as part of a larger community.

00:34:02.920 And it's really wild to see kind of the way that that kind of plays out and how that's treated when individuals are really treated like completely interchangeable widgets here in the story from Barry Weiss's common sense sub stack.

00:34:23.260 They have the story of, I think, several different young people who are slated for this kind of voluntary assisted dying based on things like, you know, 23 year olds who are depressed because their girlfriend broke up with them.

00:34:40.040 I think there was one one guy who's in his early 20s who just didn't want to live with diabetes and his nurse mother learned about that.

00:34:50.780 And, you know, this person was encouraged to kind of go down this track of possibly pursuing assisted dying simply because they find diabetes to be a difficult diagnosis to kind of handle early on.

00:35:03.260 This kind of stuff where just the smallest level of kind of life difficulty is immediately given this, you know, this option of people just opting out and instead embracing the possibility of state assisted, you know, end of life suicide here is just really wild.

00:35:21.920 There's another one you sent to me and I'm going to grab that story real quick about how large the number of people dying is.

00:35:31.280 I believe it was 10,000 plus deaths here.

00:35:35.680 Here we go.

00:35:36.200 10,000 plus Canadians receive medically assisted suicide, which is, I think it said, yeah, 3.3% of all deaths in Canada are part of this assisted suicide program.

00:35:53.620 And again, like you said, it's this intersection of many different kind of slippery slopes.

00:35:58.900 And again, another thing where people like Sarah Palin would have been mocked, you know, oh, this is going to lead here.

00:36:04.620 Inevitably, this is a logical conclusion of rationed health care and and the many different people who have pointed out that kind of the abandoning of, you know, Christianity and general religiosity would eventually lead to kind of the degradation of life and the value of life.

00:36:20.380 Like you were talking about, like you were talking about, like you were talking about, all this kind of intersecting in a rather dystopian way in Canada to the point where now, you know, assisted government provided a suicide now, you know, making up a pretty noticeable percentage of death in Canada in 2021.

00:36:41.660 Yeah, I mean, this is one of the bigger consequences, I think that comes with just the people were sort of given a lot of opportunities to sort of just quit life, I think, when people were to stay home and to, you know, either play along and play ball with the system or face the consequences.

00:37:05.660 And I think a lot of people even here in the States where people enjoyed their stimulus checks or their, you know, having their rent more or less put on hold, like almost two years in some parts of the country.

00:37:16.580 And it allowed people to sort of check out and whether that meant, you know, seeing people who needed cancer screenings not get them or people engaging in their vices like alcoholism or drug abuse or simply being alone, locked down with an abusive couple or something like that.

00:37:35.840 And, you know, people aren't working in the way that they are. We have a huge labor problem in other parts of the West.

00:37:42.020 And I do think a lot of part of that is just the people decided to check out. The economy is not doing great. The jobs aren't paying what they used to.

00:37:48.560 And so there's not much really going for us writ large in terms of purpose or a motivating or animating drive or belief to do so.

00:37:56.640 And so for the population that they're seemingly primarily targeting, at least in advertisements and elsewhere, is that, well, there is an alternative. You could just die.

00:38:05.240 And that seems to be the option that they're going for here. And the guidelines, I think, have been as firmly set.

00:38:12.100 I know that there's been a large bioethic debate about this for decades. But when you take away people's reason to live and you offer them a quick and painless way out, as it was listed in Barry Weiss's article, where it's just like, oh, this procedure will be done in just, you know, in a few minutes after we get started at nine o'clock in the morning, just like that, then what is going to come is that even the depressed only people in the world will be offered a way out of it.

00:38:37.500 What would almost be the point, then, of a helpline, if that's sort of the option that people can pursue to do so.

00:38:44.860 Now, I don't know if it's going to be openly encouraged. I mean, we've seen one advertisement. I don't want, you know, to be a part of today's theme and title, I don't want to simply say that this is going to be a promoted or advertised event, sort of like Futurama's suicide booth, you know, in places where people work.

00:39:01.820 But I do think that we're heading down a pathway that they're not going to be able to climb back up from because once you start offering this as an alternative, especially to the young and the lonely or the depressed, then those issues will never be ever actualized or addressed because the alternative is to simply take an easy way out.

00:39:21.240 Yeah, and I think you've brought up a couple of times something that I should probably stop and focus on because I hadn't thought about it a lot kind of before you mentioned it, but it makes perfect sense.

00:39:32.760 It's the aspect of the lockdown and how much, especially when it comes to Canada where that lockdown was very excessive and the restrictions were extreme and people just got used to kind of turning really essential aspects of their lives over to the government, to trusting the government and assuming that the government had, you know, the ability to completely dictate how they would spend their lives, where they would go, who they would see, what they could do.

00:40:01.760 And so people kind of ceding this control over to the government and having that level of comfort and expectation with the government's kind of invasion into their private lives and their ability to live them probably had a big impact on the embrace of this and the willingness of people to embrace this.

00:40:25.460 And like you said, also the kind of the walls closing in on so many people in the economy, the way that their lives were set up, their ability to form families, own a home, have a promising career.

00:40:39.760 When all of those things are kind of taken away from people and they feel like all the avenues for a better life are kind of shut down, then for people who have kind of expected those things, I think as kind of a natural progression of their lives,

00:40:57.460 it does feel like there aren't a lot of options left and people are willing to kind of opt in to this, this easy solution again, especially when, you know, life has been kind of cheapened and, and, and given less of a, you know, a supernatural meaning, you know, something beyond, beyond the kind of the current difficulties that's worth pushing past.

00:41:19.460 You know, I think that really does kind of steal that future from people and does give them a lot of difficulty, but seeing as we've talked about nothing but really happy things, maybe we can read before we get, because we've got a number of super chat stacking up here.

00:41:36.560 I was going to pivot very quickly to something kind of funny that happened right before we got on.

00:41:42.100 I'm sure a lot of people have seen the Twitter files.

00:41:46.400 I have a piece that'll probably be coming out with the blaze tomorrow on the Twitter file.

00:41:51.060 So, and I've got a couple of, I think, really interesting guests, really great guests that you guys will be excited to see here that'll be coming on this week to talk about the Twitter files.

00:42:01.200 I'm probably going to spend the rest of the week on the channel here talking about it because I think it really is a huge story.

00:42:05.720 So I don't want to, I don't want to kind of break it down here completely because I will be spending a lot of time during the rest of the week talking about it.

00:42:13.340 But a lot of people I'm sure know that kind of, we saw this evidence that was released by Elon Musk through Matt Taibbi on, on Substack and through his thread on Twitter, kind of releasing the internal documents, the smoking gun, when it came to the collusion inside of Twitter, when it came to censoring the 2020 story about Hunter Biden and his laptop and the New York Post and everything involved in that.

00:42:41.360 And of course, Donald Trump came out on his truth social account and kind of did a very awkward post about the possible need to suspend the constitution or other processes because basically this had already violated those things.

00:42:57.540 And it was now necessary to kind of throw out those, you know, that stuff because the, the, the system was broken and we were not going to have real elections.

00:43:07.200 The, the kind of sanctuary of the election that had already been violated.

00:43:10.440 And so of course, uh, all of a sudden, a lot of people on the left and I include John Bolton with people on the left, uh, got up in arms about this response by Trump.

00:43:21.900 They got up in arms over this response by Trump and they started, you know, doing a lot of, uh, pearl clutching when it came to the constitution.

00:43:30.900 All of a sudden they care a lot about what the constitution says.

00:43:33.800 They didn't care about it when, uh, people were violating the first amendment, uh, when there was collusion between, uh, the government, the, the federal government and political parties and, and private corporations to, you know, uh, keep Donald or to, to, to, to try to suppress a story.

00:43:50.800 That could have been dangerous to Joe Biden and could have elevated Donald Trump and that all that's fine.

00:43:55.700 That's, that's not a problem.

00:43:56.740 But when Donald Trump talks about the constitution, all of a sudden they care deeply, they all become members of the federalist society.

00:44:03.780 But, uh, but, uh, John Bolton here, uh, kind of announces on a meet the press that he might be willing to jump into the race and save, you know, the GOP from, uh, the, the extra constitutional, uh, attempts at, uh, uh, of, uh, Donald Trump to, to kind of serve.

00:44:20.800 Circumvent the election and rewrite the constitution here.

00:44:23.820 Um, and I just thought it was funny because, uh, as I was talking with the princess about, you know, John Bolton did run for president before this is actually not the first time that John Bolton has announced, uh, his run for president.

00:44:37.000 And, uh, you said you were like the only person of your generation who might remember that.

00:44:40.420 Um, yeah, he, he had a short presidential run in 2012.

00:44:45.520 He was offered by Newt Gingrich, the spot for secretary of state for the ultimate, you know, conservative, uh, administration, but it later endorsed him when he had dropped the race.

00:44:56.500 But yeah, I mean, also the same guy that wrote or ghost wrote, you know, the, the room where it, um, so it really does, you know, it really wanted to do damage to Trump.

00:45:09.080 I mean, he would just simply start lapping his mouth more and not tend to run for president.

00:45:12.960 But, uh, nevertheless, I, I find it funny the guy that, you know, helped architect and, and move along with the global runter and bring about all of the, uh, totalitarian security state stuff from the 9-11 age to really get up in arms about my constitution.

00:45:28.700 This, you know, document that the, uh, National Security Administration probably wiped their rear ends with is laughable at best, but demonstrative that a lot of these things that, you know, we hold in American society, what I call the classic, um,

00:45:42.960 you know, American, the classic American civil religion is, uh, you know, something that is only used as a post hoc justification to maintain power, just as you guys like to say, um, it's not, uh, it's not your democracy, it's their democracy and things like that.

00:46:00.160 It's just another tool for them to, to really care about and get up in arms with.

00:46:03.460 But yeah, John Bolton, uh, you know, the mustache is nice, but the rest of them, not so much.

00:46:09.500 Yeah, that, that, that was actually his symbol.

00:46:12.060 That was his campaign symbol, by the way, for people don't know, was the mustache.

00:46:15.780 It was a, it was just a red, uh, background with a, with a mustache.

00:46:19.960 Um, but yeah, there, there is something particularly adorable about, uh, this man who, uh, like he said, basically has used the, the constitution as, as waste paper, uh, while he, uh, plans to subvert the, the rights of, uh, Americans through all kinds of, uh, war on terror exclusions.

00:46:39.380 And the fact that he like regularly, you know, was involved in planning coups across the, the, the, the globe, you know, then, you know, getting, getting all butthurt about, uh, Trump talking about the constitution is pretty great.

00:46:52.420 So, so like I said, I just wanted to jump in and throw that meme out there, the, the, uh, the, uh, everything coming up John Bolton meme here, just so we could have a good laugh after all that depressing stuff that we were talking about here.

00:47:03.840 You know, I, I have to, I have to laugh real quick cause I, I had to, I looked up John Bolton's height and he's 5'7".

00:47:10.160 Of course he is.

00:47:11.300 Yeah.

00:47:11.580 Of course he is.

00:47:12.520 5'7".

00:47:13.720 Vladimir Zelensky is 5'7".

00:47:15.420 You know, this man-lit theory of history is really coming up John Bolton, isn't it?

00:47:20.340 Yeah.

00:47:20.780 I, I made a joke.

00:47:21.840 There was, um, there, there was the story about the, the height extensions.

00:47:25.600 I'm sure you've seen, uh, the, you know, the, the people paying to, to get a couple extra inches in height so they can, they can hit that magical six, uh, foot mark.

00:47:35.440 And, uh, and I was just like, yeah, guys just conquer a continent to compensate.

00:47:39.620 Like, like, you know, return to tradition, you know?

00:47:42.320 Well, I mean, John Bolton certainly did that throughout his career.

00:47:45.060 Yeah.

00:47:45.320 Multiple, multiple.

00:47:46.580 Uh, so yeah, he, he, he stuck with tradition in that area 100%, right?

00:47:50.760 It's, if you can't be six foot, you might as well topple several, uh, governments in the name of, uh, freedom and democracy, uh, that, that certainly will show all the kids who made fun of you in high school.

00:48:02.000 Um, but that said, let's go ahead and start, uh, get started on these, uh, on these super chats here.

00:48:07.380 Uh, there's one that got turned in early before we got started, so I can't put it on the screen, but I'll read it out here.

00:48:14.100 Uh, Evan M., thank you for your donation.

00:48:16.400 Looks like $10 in Canadian.

00:48:18.440 Thank you very much.

00:48:19.180 Sorry about your country.

00:48:21.040 Um, he says, uh, if you're looking for the best babysitter, it's, uh, technically ad hominem to exclude convicted sex offenders.

00:48:29.300 Something can be a productive, logical fallacy, but still be a perfectly valid heuristic.

00:48:34.620 And yeah, yeah, I see what you mean there.

00:48:36.640 The idea that, um, you know, even if something, uh, is technically a logical fallacy, if it's a valuable heuristic, that's, that's kind of enough.

00:48:45.420 And I think that's kind of what we were hinting at when it came to, uh, to the slippery slope.

00:48:50.860 We're not, as Prudential has pointed out, we're not throwing at the idea that there is a technical fallacy called the slippery slope, uh, but that the general attack on kind of, uh, noticing and pattern recognition when it comes to the consequences of different, uh, social, uh, the, kind of the dispensing of certain social taboos, uh, it is still, uh, that doesn't work.

00:49:15.260 It is still valuable to kind of have that understanding of the way societies function.

00:49:20.120 Yeah.

00:49:20.280 You, you, you need that heuristic, um, you know, as Steve Saylor says, you know, political correctness is just a war on pattern recognition.

00:49:26.460 It's the same reason why all the new monkeypox coverage went away.

00:49:30.160 So even though things, yes, can still exist as technical fallacy, uh, trusting your guts based on trends and what's out there in the news and just connecting dots will do you a lot of good in life and you should be, uh, smart to keep to it.

00:49:43.200 Yeah, absolutely.

00:49:44.120 Absolutely. All right. So, uh, falling outside the normal moral constraints for $2, slippery slope remains the undefeated champion. Yep. That's, that's one of my favorites on, um, on Twitter. One of those things that I repeat, uh, regularly because there's kind of pretty much always relevant, uh, whether you like it or not, the slippery slope is, uh, is a constant and you ignore it at your own peril here. It's record is quite excellent. Uh, we've got roach here for $5. Thank you very much.

00:50:12.260 Sure. The slippery slope is a war on pattern recognition, something that can't be allowed in an empire of lies. Yeah. That's a really important aspect, right?

00:50:19.600 So much of what we're asked to believe kind of by the, the zeitgeist, by the, the current, uh, kind of regime and, and, and its, uh, need to kind of impose this, uh, all, uh, this artificial worldview on people, this artificial understanding of human nature and the way that, uh, the world works is really this.

00:50:49.600 Basic, uh, linkage. It's really important to kind of confound people and mystify the connections between really basic things. So they can't kind of don't notice the level of kind of perversion, the level of, uh, of warped reality that is required to kind of be layered over their basic observations in order to kind of function in society the way they're asked to today.

00:51:09.860 Well, absolutely. And I mean, even the old school libertarians, like Murray Rothbard and such would tell you that to get a pattern recognition and go full on with egalitarianism is a revolt against nature and a revolt against, you know, basic reality and truth in and of itself. So yeah, uh, it's a war on pattern recognition. Absolutely.

00:51:28.300 Pete Budapest here for 1990. Thank you very much, Pete. He says, uh, nothing illustrates the power, uh, paradigm in America better than the gay marriage issue today. We have the same position as Obama from 10 years ago. It's not just political suicide. You lose your job and have your kids taken away. And yeah, like this is, this is something that I bring up constantly because it's such a very clear and obvious thing that anyone can notice right away. Right. Something, a position that is, would have been too radical for Barack Obama in 2000.

00:51:58.300 2008, um, and beyond, uh, today is, is required. It's required. Uh, that's a required position in basically every company, every government agency, any kind of public life. And if you disagree, you know, you're, you're, uh, you know, completely banned from kind of public life. You can easily, like you said, lose your job. You can have a very serious consequences culturally when it comes by. And so we can see, you know, this is also the, the, the Cthulhu swim slowly, but it always,

00:52:28.300 the Cthulhu swim's left. Right. Except we're now we're kind of on a jet ski, you know, the, the average Republican in the Senate now seems to have a position that was far too radical on marriage for Barack Obama just a decade or so ago. And it seems like there's kind of no, uh, slowing down in that direction.

00:52:46.900 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is the, I mean, we saw this earlier this month with, or last month with the respective marriage act, trying to codify, um, interracial and, uh, same sex marriage, uh, into law.

00:53:01.520 We saw that way, you know, that thinly, um, alluded to, uh, from, uh, Clarence Thomas in the Supreme court saying that those cases are definitely up on the title, um, or possibly up on the chopping block.

00:53:13.060 You know, now where they're codified, Mitt Romney had flipped his position from 10 years ago and he ran for president in 2012.

00:53:19.620 And, you know, it's almost as if the last really since 2015 and a little bit earlier onward, we just decided to give Panzerschokolade to what we would consider progressivism or modernity.

00:53:30.460 And, you know, they've just gone full speed ahead. And this is where we're at now. And even, you know, traditional Christians will definitely lose their job or risk the running of losing their job. 0.90

00:53:40.940 If they, you know, stand against things that were just considered to be normal majority, uh, thinking points and talking points from even 10 years ago. And this is where we're at.

00:53:49.860 Yeah. How, how does this affect your marriage? Seems like a quaint, uh, quaint slogan right now. Like that, that, that thing that was constantly pushed now seems, uh, seems kind of adorable in retrospect.

00:54:01.980 So Roach here again for $5 tune in to find out who better predicted the 21st century college educated intellectuals or Southern grandmas. The answer may surprise you.

00:54:11.640 Uh, yeah. And I think that's really important, right? Like one of the things that it's, of course, not to say that education is invaluable.

00:54:19.540 It's not to say that, you know, there, there's no value in, in kind of a formal education because there, there are, you know, certain areas where that is essential, but, you know, the, there is, there's been a complete discarding of kind of the power of tradition, the, the combined social knowledge that's carried forward, you know, that, that's encoded these lessons that were kind of, uh, learned at high prices by our predecessors

00:54:47.580 and built into kind of the kind of the common sense that we learned and through the generations. And, and, you know, we kind of see these things iterated over and over again. I'm always remember, I always remember this has always struck me.

00:55:01.640 You know, I came home a very ignorant, uh, college student, uh, kind of my first year of college and I had taken my first economics class and my teacher had to kind of explain Keynesian economics to me.

00:55:14.360 And I came home and I, I told my mom about kind of Keynesian economics and my mom kind of looked at me and, and, you know, she's, uh, she, she went to college, but she, it was, you know, a difficult thing for her that, you know, formal education was kind of not her strong suit, 0.94

00:55:28.820 but she looked at me and as I was explaining Keynesian economics to her, and she said, well, that's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

00:55:36.040 And of course she was right. Right. Like she, she was far wiser than my economics professor. Um, because she just had a very, she didn't put on airs, right? She didn't, she hadn't confounded herself. 0.96

00:55:48.920 She hadn't had, you know, kind of the, the, the basic truth of, of, of the world mystified for her by kind of, uh, the, these, uh, theories that were kind of bunk.

00:55:58.060 And, uh, so I always kind of remember that when, uh, we talk about this kind of stuff, because I think that that kind of wisdom is, is very valuable, but something we've been trained out of valuing in our society.

00:56:08.340 Yeah. And it does illustrate really long destruction and rot of cultural cohesion and connection that we don't trust the, uh, our, our elders, but rather a mysterious, unrelated, uh, class of so-called experts.

00:56:26.840 Let's say our Pete Budapest for 1999 again. Thank you very much, Pete. Uh, David distributors had the best own of a David French talk, uh, French pontificated.

00:56:36.400 If your criteria is free speech for me, but not for thee, you better hope the me is always in charge. And Dave just paused video and laughed.

00:56:45.000 Uh, yeah, I, I, I, you know, Dave has done a lot of great videos on there. I think, uh, one of the better ones, I, I remember it's been a long time, but I'm pretty sure Dave did a video kind of on the, uh, David French Sarabamari debate a long time ago.

00:57:01.400 That was particularly good. I don't remember all the different aspects of it. Uh, but, but I do remember it being, uh, very good and kind of pointing out, I mean, again, David French is, is kind of an easy punching bag. I try hard not to spend too much time giving him any credit. He's just, he's just a leftist with extra steps guys. It's like, like I, I know he's supposed to have been a conservative and he's supposed to have these convictions. He doesn't, he just, he's getting paid by people to, to hate, uh, conservatives just like,

00:57:31.400 so many other people are. He, he's just a leftist with extra steps. There's, you don't have to give him credit. He doesn't, he doesn't deserve any of it. Um, let's see. Uh, Winter EC here for $20 says, how do you separate the slippery slope

00:57:46.540 fallacy from reasonable concern over possible unintended consequences? Any caution regarding unintended consequences equals bigotry and phobia, et cetera. How do you handle this when discussing this with liberal

00:57:59.380 friends? Yeah, no, I mean, that's a huge part of it. Right. And, and, you know, kind of the funny thing about the slippery slope fallacy is while a lot of people will attack, you know, the slippery slope and fallacy, when you say, Hey, this is the kind of the inevitable conclusion of what you're talking about. They will then bring it in almost immediately when it comes to things like bigotry. Right. And they'll say, well, if you believe this, or if you think, you know, if you, if you oppose immigration, uh, mass immigration, then you're just one

00:58:29.280 step away from the, you know, right. And so like, this is something it's one of those arguments that's very convenient. Uh, people will completely forget their objection to the slippery slope, uh, fallacy when they themselves would like to, uh, illustrate the obvious linkage of something and, and point to their own slippery slope. Right. So I think the best way to point this out, and, and I'm always cautious again, guys, uh, you know, you, you, you, everyone kind of has to evaluate the,

00:58:58.740 this for this for themselves, but I only have conversations with friends, uh, and, and acquaintances that I, when I think they're going to be interested in moving things together. I don't, I don't have a lot of debates with people in my personal life. Right. I mean, most people in my personal life kind of know where I am politically. So I don't, I don't end up in a lot of like heated, heated discussions. Like if we're already friends, if we're already interacting, then it's not a huge deal. Right. If we disagree on this kind of stuff, we've, we're already a point where we can do that in a civil manner.

00:59:29.660 But even with my friends who I do disagree with, I don't really like seek out, I don't hunt down and try to nail people down kind of over positions where they disagree with me on. If, if someone is interested in really having a back and forth and really exploring an issue, I'm happy to do so. But I've never, this is why I don't really go out seeking debates when it comes to, you know, internet stuff or, or new stuff either. I don't really think it's very valuable. I don't think it's very productive. I'm always interested in kind of a back and forth.

00:59:58.260 I talk to people on the show all the time who I disagree with, you know, guys like, I don't know, Glenn Greenwald, right. We disagree on all kinds of stuff, but I had a really, you know, productive conversation with Glenn. And I think I probably will again here soon.

01:00:10.680 You know, because Glenn's not just interested in spiking a ball or scoring points. He's really interested in kind of having, having a back and forth, even if we might walk away completely disagreeing still, you know, like I, there, there's just, there's some kind of ground that allows us to have a conversation there.

01:00:27.580 But I don't really go around hunting and, you know, for conversations with people who are going to like, be completely closed off and be very aggressive about stuff. I just, I just don't think it's valuable. If people are open to kind of exploring something, I'm willing to do that.

01:00:41.400 But I would encourage you to just not worry much about trying to force people who aren't going to take discussions in good faith into them. Cause I just don't think it takes anywhere productive.

01:00:51.880 You're going to have difficulty when you're in polite company where they may disagree with you, like, or, and I try my best not to go out of my way to find arguments or to debate and own the libs.

01:01:05.500 Like it's 2015, because there is little to no value in that. If the last five, six years have really done anything, if you're in that sort of company situation, you really do have two options on you try and articulate it in their framework.

01:01:17.120 So for instance, the mass immigration thing, right? Philip Caffaro has a really good book on how many is too many to progress the case for reducing immigration to the United States.

01:01:26.780 That's a entryway to talk about what his concerns are, which range on everything from the environment to other minorities being attacked or so on and so forth.

01:01:36.400 Really, you should try your best not to go out for it. If the parentheses front, like R, like saying maybe like a normie Republican or something, I mean,

01:01:44.520 you're going to have to just go off and say that you just reject maybe certain principles of egalitarianism or that these unintended consequences are the thing.

01:01:52.340 And there's a reason why there's something called the paradox of female happiness, that the more and more liberated women have become, the more and more unhappy they are in the West as the years get closer to present day. 0.96

01:02:04.500 So like Oren, I try my best not to go out of my way and start these debates or conversations.

01:02:09.720 I don't find much value in polemics unless it's with people I agree with, but has agreement on some issues.

01:02:15.900 But you're going to have to either go head on and see what you believe in or try and work it within their frame.

01:02:20.920 But it's usually unsuccessful.

01:02:25.360 Glow in the dark here for $2. Canadian mercy equals forced assisted suicide.

01:02:29.880 Yeah, I mean, a lot of times, unfortunately, I feel like that's got to be the case.

01:02:34.080 I feel like you're dressing it up with certain levels of, you know, again, you can clinicalize it.

01:02:45.080 I don't know what I was trying to say there for a minute.

01:02:47.040 You can try to medicalize it.

01:02:48.700 You can kind of wrap it in a level of sophistication and the language of this kind of stuff.

01:02:57.680 But I think at the end of the day, that really what it is, especially, again, when you look at, you know, their willingness to incorporate the mentally ill or the homeless, those who are under financial distress, willingness to entertain young people who are just having, you know, rough times in their 20s.

01:03:12.800 Look, guys, I had rough times in my 20s.

01:03:15.580 It's going to be okay.

01:03:16.740 You don't have to seek the assistance of state to end it.

01:03:19.720 Like, that's kind of an insane thing, and it's hard not to draw the kind of the conclusion that you're pointing to there, glow-in-the-dark.

01:03:27.640 I think you're right about that.

01:03:30.640 Let's see.

01:03:31.680 I watches the Watchmen for $10.

01:03:33.820 Thank you very much.

01:03:34.420 In 2004, as mayor of San Francisco, Gavin Newsom made a name for himself by issuing same-sex marriage certificates in 2020 as governor resigned to build to help put male prisoners in women's prisons.

01:03:46.560 I mean, yeah, there is, again, a lot of linkage when it comes to subversion, right?

01:03:52.560 When you're willing to dissolve one standard, you will immediately kind of trend towards another.

01:03:58.980 This is a general – there is always power in dissolving kind of the established standard.

01:04:06.900 That's what a lot of the progressive dialectic is kind of centered around is the ability to break down these bonds and kind of get the free energy that is created, the loose political power that is created when you're able to break down kind of these preexisting barriers.

01:04:23.800 And so one thing kind of leads to another, not just in the slippery slope sense, but in, like, this is the general goal of progressivism.

01:04:33.000 This is how the political coalition generates power is by continually searching for the next tradition, the next barrier, the next bond that it can kind of dissolve in order to kind of consume the energy that's held within.

01:04:46.500 And this is something I actually talked about Glenn Beck with today, so, again, you can check that interview out if you like – or that segment.

01:04:55.000 It wasn't a full interview, but I was on his radio show for kind of the top of the hour there, so you can check that out.

01:05:01.660 But I think that's a theme that we kind of see in progressivism and their political formula over and over again.

01:05:08.180 Yeah, when you have a politics based solely on transgression or liberation, the only thing that that fundamentally leads to is politics, the anti-civilization.

01:05:17.680 That's exactly right.

01:05:20.320 Oflammo here for $5.

01:05:21.820 Thank you very much.

01:05:22.520 I am a manlet.

01:05:23.300 I am filled with lots of wrath right now.

01:05:25.440 You're adding some more fuel to my fire.

01:05:27.460 Well, sir, there's only one conclusion that you can draw from this, and this is that you should probably dominate a good chunk of Eastern Europe.

01:05:34.400 I wish you well in your world domination plans.

01:05:38.560 Just remember not Russia in the winter, okay?

01:05:41.620 If I have one piece of advice for you, just avoid trying to march to Moscow in the winter.

01:05:48.080 And if all else fails, you can work on John Bolton's presidential campaign.

01:05:51.440 You can join the mustache crew there, right?

01:05:55.120 Let's see.

01:05:57.260 I think that might be everybody.

01:05:59.160 Let me double check before we go just so I don't miss anyone.

01:06:02.040 Okay, yep.

01:06:04.040 I think that was everybody.

01:06:05.060 We made it through.

01:06:05.920 All right, guys.

01:06:06.460 Well, thank you so much for joining us this evening.

01:06:10.460 As always, the Prudentialist is an excellent co-host, and I really appreciate being here.

01:06:16.800 Prudentialist, I think you said you were working on a piece for the Old Glory Club that we could be looking forward to soon?

01:06:21.660 Yes, that should probably be out either this Wednesday or Friday with the Old Glory Club.substack.com, talking about the Canadian medical assistance and dying aspect and a lot of the things that we had talked about today.

01:06:35.060 So I kind of felt prepared to come on the stream.

01:06:36.920 And I also have a new video out on my channel called The Hegemon and the Revisionist.

01:06:41.560 It puts an application of what I normally talk to on my channel, which is international relations and geopolitics, and puts it into perspective with regards to our domestic politics here in the United States and West overall.

01:06:52.940 So as always, Oren, I'm very thankful and grateful to be on here with you.

01:06:56.960 It's always a pleasure.

01:06:57.580 Absolutely, and I've got the Prudentialist links in the description for the video, so make sure you're clicking on his.

01:07:05.780 You can find all his different stuff there, his YouTube channel, Twitter, Substack, all that different stuff will be available there.

01:07:12.680 But thank you guys so much for joining.

01:07:14.420 Had some great questions from the audience.

01:07:16.160 Always a lot of fun.

01:07:17.800 You should expect a few more streams this week.

01:07:20.020 I'll be able to make those announcements soon.

01:07:21.620 I'm kind of waiting for the last few confirmations of guests to fall into place before we can get into that.

01:07:28.080 But like I said, probably look for that piece on the Twitter files tomorrow on The Blaze.

01:07:33.520 And as always, guys, we'll talk to you next time.

The Auron MacIntyre Show - December 06, 2022

Slippery Slope Is Not A Fallacy ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 12⧸5⧸22

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