The Auron MacIntyre Show - January 29, 2024


Social-Emotional Patronage ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 1⧸29⧸24


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In this episode, I talk to Jay Byrne about the importance of political patronage and why it's a fundamental part of the Democratic Party's system of power. Jay talks about how the system is designed to reward supporters and punish opponents.

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00:00:30.180 Hey, everybody. How's it going?
00:00:32.100 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.
00:00:33.960 I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.
00:00:37.840 So something that I try to talk about all the time on this show is the importance of patronage.
00:00:44.440 It's something that the left understands.
00:00:46.520 Their people benefit.
00:00:48.020 They get paid, right?
00:00:49.540 When the left does something, they make sure that everybody gets a little bit of the pie.
00:00:54.460 And they have so many loyal supporters because of that.
00:00:57.680 We want conservatives.
00:00:58.560 We want small government.
00:01:00.220 We don't want government involvement.
00:01:01.640 So we're very scared of this patronage idea because that's not what you're supposed to do, right?
00:01:06.220 You're supposed to keep the government small.
00:01:08.080 You're supposed to keep the payments low, keep the corruption out.
00:01:10.700 We shouldn't be doing any of this.
00:01:11.960 But at the same time, the left keeps winning and the right keeps losing.
00:01:15.660 So I've been trying to explain along with a couple other people like the good old boys about how important patronage is.
00:01:22.720 However, my guest today, Jay Byrne, wrote a great essay about the people who get something that's not material.
00:01:29.200 Why are people who get no payment, get no material benefit, still supporting the left?
00:01:34.900 He wrote a great essay on this, and I wanted to talk to him about it.
00:01:37.620 So, Jay, thanks for coming on, man.
00:01:39.680 Yeah, thank you for having me on again, Aaron.
00:01:41.100 I appreciate it.
00:01:41.840 Absolutely.
00:01:43.080 So a lot of people who have watched this are probably familiar, but it never hurts to go over the basics.
00:01:48.960 Let's explain to people real quick what is the traditional meaning of patronage, and why is it so critical that the rights start to grasp this as a fundamental building block of political power?
00:02:00.600 Yeah, so patronage is kind of one of the core ideas of political realism.
00:02:04.920 Awesome. And to reframe Schmidt, it's the idea that the function of politics is to reward your friends and punish your enemies.
00:02:12.480 And that's what patronage is, rewarding your friends.
00:02:15.280 So it's kind of easiest to go back to the Roman world for this because this is still present, right? 1.00
00:02:20.200 It's kind of a function of how humans organize themselves, but they're a lot less subtle than we are.
00:02:24.440 And so the Romans, you know, if you wanted to vote, they'd say like, all right, well, if you vote for me, I'll give you a lot of money.
00:02:31.800 And so they just buy votes directly.
00:02:33.840 It's very, very direct.
00:02:36.440 And that still exists in our current system, obviously.
00:02:39.160 You know, there are certain programs that are only available to kind of clients of the Democrat regime.
00:02:44.840 You know, in some cases, they will just create jobs for their sinecures, even in the corporate world.
00:02:50.240 I mean, that's effectively what HR is.
00:02:53.000 And so what they do is they basically create a class of people who not only need rewards, like a positive thing, but depend on Democrats being in power for their employment.
00:03:06.240 And so that creates a really strong bond between the people in power and their supporters.
00:03:12.180 And, you know, like you've said before, a lot of conservatives kind of bristle at this idea.
00:03:16.040 You know, it's a little bit gross.
00:03:17.060 I don't want to do that.
00:03:18.020 But the problem is, it doesn't really matter if you like it or not.
00:03:22.100 It simply is.
00:03:23.220 It's on the same level of, you know, a force like gravity.
00:03:26.220 It is kind of just how things are.
00:03:28.480 And if you don't understand it, you're not playing the game as it is.
00:03:32.480 You're playing the game as you'd like it to be.
00:03:34.400 And I think that's one of the reasons why conservatives have such a hard time winning the game that is politics.
00:03:42.240 Yeah, and that's why political realism is so important.
00:03:45.040 And I think that's why a lot of people listen to people like you and me and others in our sphere is we're describing the system as it actually works.
00:03:52.660 Like I just spoke with the distributors about, you know, the system is what it does.
00:03:57.420 We talk about what the system actually does as opposed to the ideal that we would like it to do.
00:04:02.960 And the problem is that a lot of what has been passed on as conservative values or conservative principles are direct denials of the system.
00:04:13.140 We all know that one of the reasons that communism failed is that it ignored realities about human nature, right?
00:04:20.760 The incentives, the way that things line up when the state is just distributing things instead of giving people a profit motive and a reason to have their own interest in what they're producing.
00:04:30.480 It creates all these issues.
00:04:31.900 And we laugh, you know, people on the right.
00:04:34.220 Oh, how could these silly communists not understand this part of human nature?
00:04:39.720 But patronage is also a core part of human nature.
00:04:43.800 It is just as real as the profit motive.
00:04:46.400 It's just as real as gravity, as you talked about, is what politics is.
00:04:51.120 And that's why it's ancient.
00:04:52.500 That's why the patronage can go all the way back to the patron in Rome.
00:04:56.640 And we can obviously identify that political relationship.
00:05:00.840 And so we can hate that.
00:05:02.160 We can say that we should be above that.
00:05:04.400 We should use our reason and our independence.
00:05:06.380 We can make all of these excuses as to why we shouldn't engage in it.
00:05:11.080 But that doesn't stop your opponent from noticing that when you drop something, gravity carries it to the ground, right?
00:05:16.860 And that's just an obvious fact.
00:05:19.140 And if they're the one who is observing that fact and playing inside that reality and you're denying it, you're just going to lose.
00:05:27.000 And so one of the things that we have done is really explain the necessity of the right to break down opposing patronage networks.
00:05:37.080 Things like, say, the educational system, which, as you pointed out, provides millions of jobs.
00:05:42.960 The educational system in many areas, in my area, for instance, is one of the two top employers in the entire area because of the amount of government subsidies that flow through it.
00:05:56.700 That's an incredible amount of power.
00:05:58.480 That's an incredible amount of people who are completely dependent on the leftist apparatus and ideology and the Democrats staying in power for them to continue to get paid and continue to benefit in the way that they want.
00:06:11.360 And those benefits are critical.
00:06:13.500 However, as you pointed out in your piece, there are a lot of people who don't get these direct benefits.
00:06:20.080 We can think of many groups that do.
00:06:22.440 We can think of many examples where there is a direct payment of benefits.
00:06:26.640 However, there are many that don't, and yet they still go ahead and support the regime very fervently.
00:06:32.900 And so we want to have an understanding of why they do that.
00:06:36.960 And you came up with this terminology, social-emotional patronage, which I thought was really helpful to explain that.
00:06:45.220 So could you explain a little bit about what social-emotional patronage does as opposed to the kind of the material, classic, direct payment patronage that we are now familiar with?
00:06:56.280 Certainly.
00:06:57.080 And I came to this realization.
00:06:59.220 And when I say realization, other people have expressed ideas like this.
00:07:02.700 And I sort of borrowed it from the economic concept of utility, which basically, and I'm boiling it down to the, you know, like a thumbnail version of that, is that people have sort of subjective value to things you can't really calculate, right?
00:07:18.100 And so that's where I sort of got thinking like, well, okay, like, well, people tend to act in their own perceived best interest.
00:07:25.860 You know, very few people, you know, walk in front of trains for no reason, you know, or burn all their money, you know, in a trash fire.
00:07:33.040 But there are people like, and specifically, you know, millennials, single women who are very, very strongly connected to the regime.
00:07:41.560 They're strongly democratic bases.
00:07:44.220 But these people are miserable, right?
00:07:46.540 Many of them are not making very good money.
00:07:49.540 You know, they have, they're saddled with incredible amounts of debt.
00:07:51.960 And yet, despite all these things, which from a purely just like, you know, economic background, you'd say, well, they should, they should be very dissatisfied with power.
00:08:01.600 They're not.
00:08:02.580 They're strongly aligned to the DNC regime.
00:08:06.200 And so from looking at that, I was like, okay, well, there must be something there.
00:08:09.320 You know, there must be some reason.
00:08:11.000 And so from looking at that, at that perspective of utility, where it is subjective value, I sort of started to realize that the deal offered by the regime isn't monetary.
00:08:19.760 It isn't physical.
00:08:20.460 It's social and emotional.
00:08:22.620 It's that, it's getting to feel like, oh, I am better.
00:08:26.120 You know, I am high status.
00:08:27.500 I'm a good person.
00:08:29.360 And you referenced your discussion with the distributist.
00:08:32.540 And he's very good about talking about the kind of current culture war as a war of belief.
00:08:38.460 A war between fundamentally incompatible views of reality, what is good and evil.
00:08:44.620 And part of that is that, you know, for both sides, there's a certain point where it is a religious commitment, you know, where you're making a sort of assumption of faith.
00:08:54.100 And looking at these people, the rewards that they're given are sort of not earthly rewards.
00:09:00.520 You know, it's this feeling that you are kind of a, you know, a saint of this secular religion.
00:09:05.900 And that's the high-minded way to look at it.
00:09:07.840 I think another way to look at it is effectively, they just really hate the chuds. 1.00
00:09:11.800 And they really hate their parents.
00:09:13.260 They really hate middle America.
00:09:14.420 And this is them getting to be better than their parents.
00:09:18.420 You know, oh, you know, grandma still says colored.
00:09:21.540 She's so racist. 1.00
00:09:22.880 I now use the big brain, you know, very approved regime term, people of color. 0.98
00:09:28.020 And that makes me better.
00:09:30.080 And so I think that that sort of, especially for these more middle class types, we're very, very conscious of status.
00:09:37.640 I think it's a strong reason they support the regime, even when it's not in their literal best interest from a dollars and cents perspective.
00:09:45.560 Yeah, I think that's so important because, again, while conservatives may not be comfortable with the idea of patronage, yeah, they might feel like it moves against some of their principles.
00:09:56.620 They still understand the benefit.
00:09:58.340 They still understand that somewhere someone is cashing a check and getting a nice TV or something out of it, right?
00:10:03.780 So they can grasp that concept.
00:10:06.340 But I think in the United States especially, it's hard for people to think about social status.
00:10:13.880 It's something that we like to, you know, we like to look at the nuts and the bolts.
00:10:18.600 And we say, oh, well, the reasoning of this, I added up the numbers.
00:10:21.780 It doesn't make sense.
00:10:23.120 So this just isn't a factor.
00:10:25.060 But the truth is that humans are primarily, you know, political animals.
00:10:30.820 They're primarily social animals.
00:10:34.700 And so while the ones and zeros in your bank account matter, what you really notice is the approval or disapproval of those around you.
00:10:44.620 You have a very keen and developed sense when you walk in a room of, like, where you stand in a pecking order.
00:10:51.000 Am I at the lowest rung?
00:10:53.000 Am I in the highest rung?
00:10:54.820 Where do I need to set myself?
00:10:56.340 As soon as you enter into a situation, your radar for this goes off, whether you realize it or not.
00:11:02.200 But we don't think about that when we think about politics.
00:11:06.120 You know, we think about, oh, well, this policy checks all the boxes that I learned about that make me right or left wing.
00:11:12.680 Or maybe it even material benefits me one way or another.
00:11:16.140 But we very rarely think, oh, this will elevate my status.
00:11:21.760 This will help me climb a social hierarchy.
00:11:24.480 When, in fact, that is one of the highest motivating factors we have in almost any interaction, not so much material acquisition.
00:11:34.240 Well, certainly.
00:11:34.720 And I think this failure to recognize this kind of hamstrings the right ability to analyze the left because it's really easy to look at, you know, the kind of Antifa mugshots of these kind of, like, spiteful mutants, these, like, true freaks, you know, and they have, you know, facial tattoos and dyed hair and, you know, a rap sheet a mile long.
00:11:55.780 And you can kind of understand why those people want to burn down a police precinct, right?
00:11:59.280 Like, that kind of makes sense.
00:12:00.620 You know, they don't like the police.
00:12:01.720 They probably don't have the most well-adjusted social skills.
00:12:05.040 So that kind of tracks.
00:12:06.660 But what doesn't make sense is, well, okay, why are the people three lines behind them laptop workers?
00:12:13.080 You know, why is, you know, why are the, you know, the moms in yellow marching with Antifa who, by everything I've read, are just, you know, progressive mothers and grandmothers, right?
00:12:24.860 They don't have anything aligned.
00:12:26.660 But what those people are picking up on is what makes them appear good and noble to their peers.
00:12:33.560 And that kind of attention economy, that social economy, much like patronage, is built into humans.
00:12:40.300 There's nothing we can do about that.
00:12:42.240 But the problem is that it's been distorted towards evil ends.
00:12:45.640 So I use this example quite often.
00:12:47.780 At the center of my town is a statue to a 19th century doctor, right?
00:12:53.420 There's a whole neighborhood named after him.
00:12:55.120 And the reason that that man was exalted, right, that he was given a lot of social status, is that he gave up his private practice, started a free clinic for the community, right?
00:13:03.820 It was a noble thing to do.
00:13:05.660 And for that, he probably lost money.
00:13:08.320 I'm not exactly familiar with his bookkeeping, but normally a free hospital isn't exactly a great moneymaker.
00:13:13.540 But he was rewarded massively from a social perspective, right?
00:13:17.140 He's, you know, got a bronze statue, a whole area named after him.
00:13:21.340 And, you know, now, generations later, his name is still known.
00:13:24.980 And that's a very good thing, right?
00:13:26.380 You're motivating someone who is ambitious, who's a high achiever, to do things for the benefit of everyone instead of just for him, right?
00:13:34.160 So that's normally a good and functional part of civilization.
00:13:38.160 We've always done that.
00:13:39.120 But because our elites are horribly corrupt and elites control that system of status, the whole status hierarchy is tilted towards terrible ends.
00:13:51.800 And that's where you see people who are, on paper, relatively normal, signaling support of defunding the police, you know, all of these things that, if we're being really honest, don't serve their direct interest at all.
00:14:08.080 This is, again, so critical because the mistake that was made so often on the right is the accusation of virtue signaling.
00:14:16.740 Oh, look, these people are just virtue signaling. 0.76
00:14:19.340 They're virtue signaling.
00:14:20.620 And that's not real.
00:14:22.720 You should be an individual.
00:14:23.860 You shouldn't care about what other people think.
00:14:26.400 But that's ridiculous.
00:14:28.080 People always care about what other people think.
00:14:30.760 And you should want people to signal that they are virtuous.
00:14:34.160 What you want is for them to signal the correct types of virtue.
00:14:38.460 And then this puts, you know, basically what a lot of these kind of burnt out, you know, the leftists who got, they couldn't tell the same dirty jokes they used to.
00:14:46.800 They were tired of getting canceled as comedians or something.
00:14:50.000 And we'd team up with conservatives.
00:14:51.860 And they would point and laugh and say, oh, they're just like the Christian conservatives of old who warned you about stuff.
00:14:57.540 And now they're the censorious ones.
00:14:59.100 And we're the free thinkers.
00:15:00.240 And it's like, no, no, no, no.
00:15:01.520 You got this wrong.
00:15:02.860 The Christians in the 80s were right about everything. 1.00
00:15:05.240 They correctly predicted all of it.
00:15:07.000 And you don't grasp what happened.
00:15:10.500 The social status was used against them to defeat them in this.
00:15:14.320 And now these people are virtue signaling because they are the dominant social hierarchy.
00:15:19.640 Everyone is virtue signaling against you because you have failed to maintain your level of social status.
00:15:28.820 And so you don't actually want to shift away from this mindset.
00:15:32.620 You don't want to say, oh, well, we're just not going to notice social hierarchies.
00:15:36.280 We're just not going to notice virtue signal or status.
00:15:39.920 You want to be the ones that define what that is in a positive way.
00:15:43.680 You're never getting rid of this human instinct.
00:15:46.100 The idea that you could just, you know, cringe somebody out of this, that worked for the left because they replaced their value, your value status with their own.
00:15:56.260 It's not working for you because you are trying to pretend that it doesn't even exist.
00:16:00.320 But of course it does.
00:16:02.040 Well, and that's one of the kind of fundamental disagreements that I think we would have with the more IDW types is viewing that there can be a sort of neutral, you know, kind of null hypothesis of morality.
00:16:14.980 Which is centered somewhere in the 1990s.
00:16:17.920 And the idea is that that's when we achieved a truly neutral state where there was no civic religion.
00:16:25.240 There was no overbearing, you know, moralistic faith ruling everything, which is very clearly not true.
00:16:32.220 If you're up to date on your right-wing history, you'll be familiar with the fact that effectively the whole 90s was the state being weaponized against essentially random kooks in the woods for no good reason.
00:16:43.320 You know, this is even referenced in Sam Francis' essay, Anarcho-Tyranny, when he talks about, well, who does the state go after?
00:16:49.200 Admittedly, this was written 20 some odd years ago, so it's kind of a time capsule.
00:16:53.140 But he talks about, you know, people we may not like, but people like, you know, Randy Weaver, who, I mean, wasn't really doing anything that bad, not worth what he got.
00:17:01.080 But all through that, we see that there still is this overbearing social religion that has friends and enemies.
00:17:09.340 There is no sense of neutrality in that.
00:17:11.560 And it's pure revisionist history to suggest that there was ever this period where everyone was seen as kind of a neutral actor.
00:17:19.420 And so my point in that is not to complain about things that happened 30 years ago, but it's to say that you don't want, you don't need to fall for that rhetorical trap.
00:17:27.500 This is, much like patronage, something built into humanity.
00:17:31.920 And no matter the era, no matter the society, you will find this exact same thing in motion.
00:17:37.840 So another thing that you point out that I thought was really critical in the essay was the idea of the striver.
00:17:45.880 I've seen this so many times.
00:17:47.520 As you said earlier, you have all these people who want to cancel their own grandparents, right?
00:17:53.400 That I'm better than them.
00:17:55.060 I'm higher than them.
00:17:56.700 I'm elevated.
00:17:57.640 Why?
00:17:58.020 Because I believe, you know, in this jargon.
00:18:01.100 I am aligned with the values of the regime.
00:18:04.400 And it's really important for people to understand where that comes from.
00:18:07.860 Because, again, a thing that conservatives love to do is they look at, say, the barista, right, who's got her degree in intersectional feminism. 1.00
00:18:15.760 And she thinks that she is more socially elevated than the plumber who makes $200,000 a year.
00:18:23.220 And the conservatives, this just doesn't make sense to them.
00:18:27.180 Because for them, class is tied to money.
00:18:30.940 Money and class are the same thing.
00:18:32.520 I'm middle class because I make so much money.
00:18:35.000 I'm upper middle class because I make so much money.
00:18:37.260 You'll notice everyone's middle class or upper middle class.
00:18:39.580 No one's ever lower or high class.
00:18:41.740 But, you know, they always put themselves somewhere in this because of the amount of money they make.
00:18:46.700 However, the Starbucks barista is very sure that she has done something that elevates her above the plumber, no matter how much money the plumber makes.
00:18:56.880 And if she's angry at the system at all, it's only because she was not given the material benefits that should go along with her ascension to kind of the ruling class.
00:19:07.280 She acquired the degree.
00:19:08.760 She went to the college.
00:19:10.000 She took the vow to kind of follow these people.
00:19:13.520 And the thing that the regime does is they just kind of point to the plumber and says, well, that's his fault.
00:19:18.280 He did that to you.
00:19:19.360 Right.
00:19:19.740 And so they feel the need to elevate them above themselves.
00:19:22.800 And I've noticed specifically this the most with people who grew up in, say, like a middle class or lower middle class existence, but they had a lot of contact with upper middle class or upper class people.
00:19:36.300 And there's there becomes this hunger to, oh, well, my parents were sending me to, I don't know, bowling camp or something while they were getting to go to Europe in the summer.
00:19:48.080 And I can only achieve that by climbing classes, but I'm not going to make more money.
00:19:53.900 I'm going to move up the status ladder by acquiring these opinions.
00:19:58.040 And so they, you know, you see this drive to look down at their family who didn't give them the upper middle class or upper class upbringing that they deserve, the lifestyle they deserve.
00:20:09.020 And they're going through the rituals that should help them ascend to this next status class, even though it may not come with kind of that monetary reward.
00:20:19.000 And so I think there's a lot of confusion among conservatives as to where this interplay comes from.
00:20:25.240 But I think it really is that that failure of Americans to understand that class is something that is separate from money and not understand and why so many people who were born into maybe conservative middle class households are resentful of them and trying to use kind of the regime's political beliefs to elevate themselves out of what they see as something that was beneath them.
00:20:48.900 Well, certainly. And let's start out with that first premise that money and class aren't the same.
00:20:55.400 I think that kind of on first expect or first, you know, contact people will look at that a little bit, you know, they'll find something objectionable there.
00:21:02.760 But you see this very clearly when you look at two groups of people, rich conservatives, like let's take the MyPillow guy, for example.
00:21:13.680 I don't remember his name, but that guy, right? He makes more money than I likely ever will in my entire life.
00:21:20.300 He's a very wealthy man. But is he an elite, right? Is he part of the upper class?
00:21:25.440 I would say no. He's not getting invited to speak at Harvard. He doesn't have, you know, the kind of connections that our elite ruling class does.
00:21:35.820 And there are many people in that elite, particularly artists or activists who don't make all that much money, right?
00:21:43.580 I mean, they're not starving, but they're certainly not making deep into the six figures.
00:21:47.860 But there's a class difference between those two. And basically that comes down to, do you support the regime or not?
00:21:56.320 And so you see that very clearly in kind of what are kind of the luxury beliefs, right?
00:22:01.740 This is a term that's been around conservative circles for quite some time. I really like it.
00:22:05.160 Which is there's this kind of trickle down effect where an idea is cool and high status.
00:22:11.540 And, you know, there's this kind of continual attempt to, oh, I want to be like that. I want to be like the rich, famous guy. So I will copy that.
00:22:19.780 So you see this very clearly with gender and sexuality, right?
00:22:24.140 You know that the, I have friends who are on dating apps. I've said before I'm in my early twenties and all of them just talk about how much of a wasteland it is.
00:22:32.040 Because many of these kind of boutique gender ideologies that were popularized at, you know, at Ivy's in the kind of like halls of power, but never really acted out.
00:22:42.980 You know, these, these were bored, rich girls who shaved their hair. And then six years later, they're married with a kid, right? 0.99
00:22:48.160 They don't act it out in the same way that someone further down the social status when they, when that idea trickles down, right?
00:22:54.580 They actually go for it. And so you see this kind of like gradual move over time where the people at the top want to keep differentiating themselves.
00:23:02.940 You know, they don't want to be too much like the stinky proles. So they'll innovate. They'll come up with something new.
00:23:08.020 And so there's this kind of gradual march where everyone is trying to copy someone up the line.
00:23:12.860 So the example I use in my article is sushi, right? Back in the eighties, this was like a very like out there cosmopolitan thing.
00:23:19.300 So much so that in the breakfast club, it's this joke that, oh, the rich girl is rich because she eats sushi. 1.00
00:23:24.640 I mean, now I don't live in a particularly big city, but there's like 25 restaurants that serve sushi and it's really cheap.
00:23:30.220 You can get it at a gas station.
00:23:31.260 Yeah, exactly. It's so much so that gas station sushi has been a joke my entire life.
00:23:36.260 And so the point is, that's where you see a luxury good, which luxury goods and luxury ideas are, there's a similar structure there, trickle down the, down the scale.
00:23:46.220 So talking about class and money not being the same, you see this in history as well.
00:23:51.880 In the pre-revolution France, right, there was this distinction between kind of sword nobility and the nouveau riche.
00:23:58.940 The idea is, oh, we are, even if we're less wealthy, we, the sword, have a title descendant from knights.
00:24:06.360 So we're better than these kind of merchants who may be rich, but aren't as kind of, they're, they're newly arrived in wealth.
00:24:14.440 They don't have the same kind of signifiers that we do.
00:24:16.660 You see this again in, in, you know, Italy, when it was being, when it was being unified, right?
00:24:23.260 In Lampedusa's book, The Leopard, there's this distinction between the old nobility and the merchants.
00:24:27.860 And so that's something, again, like all of these things that are kind of built into how humans organize themselves.
00:24:34.000 It's just something now that we've sort of deluded ourselves that this doesn't, this doesn't occur.
00:24:38.560 Yeah, and that's the, the, something that, again, I don't think conservatives often understand is the need to constantly differentiate.
00:24:47.800 Why is the revolution always accelerating?
00:24:50.460 Well, one of the reasons, there are many reasons, but one of them is that there always needs to be a new language of the upper class with which to confound the lower class, right?
00:24:59.020 You need to switch the codes.
00:25:00.180 You need to find a slight differentiation.
00:25:02.920 So, oh yeah, you might've finally come around on gay marriage, you backwards, you know, whatever. 1.00
00:25:07.800 But, but I mean, are you up for trans kids?
00:25:10.180 Have you, have you, have you shown your loyalty that way?
00:25:12.520 There's always a different differentiation that you can engage in to separate yourself.
00:25:18.380 This is also why Wokeness is very useful as an inter-class warfare mechanism.
00:25:25.380 Unfortunately, our nobility has nothing to do with swordsmanship at this point.
00:25:29.180 And so rather than fight duels, the way that they get rid of each other, the way that they cancel their enemies is by out-lefting each other.
00:25:35.000 It's why, one of the reasons Cthulhu always swims to the left, because that's the direction of social status.
00:25:41.480 You use that cancellation in order to kind of win over your opponent.
00:25:46.360 If you've got a rival at the office, you're both vying for a job, but you can, you know, go ahead and show your, that, you know, you have additional support for different communities,
00:25:56.080 or you yourself have suddenly developed an amazing affinity for non-binary queer gender theory or whatever,
00:26:03.260 then you could, you could surpass somebody who has the same qualifications as you.
00:26:08.360 This is a tale as old as time.
00:26:10.080 It's nothing particular to our current moment.
00:26:12.240 It's just the weirdness of ours is more abstracted because we are so farther away from what a tradition nobility would,
00:26:19.420 a traditional upper class would do. 0.97
00:26:20.960 In fact, I think, again, in many ways, that's why there's this weird dissociation for so much of conservatives,
00:26:27.540 because even if they can't sense class the way that you could in maybe other societies,
00:26:32.540 like the English are not confused about the difference between money and class.
00:26:37.160 Like, they understand that those are very distinct things.
00:26:40.060 But, you know, in America, we're still very confused on that point because we never had that same aristocratic separation.
00:26:48.380 We never went through a period, the citizen was always the soldier.
00:26:53.240 You know, there was never a moment in which we kind of had that feudal nobility protecting the land
00:26:58.900 and, you know, forming the core of the military through knighthood or something like that.
00:27:04.640 And so because of that, I think it's just very difficult for us because we never had that direct connection.
00:27:11.900 Our elites have almost always been, in some way or another, a merchant class.
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00:27:46.460 Well, certainly.
00:27:47.880 And I think one of the things that trips people up is they look at what leftists say about themselves.
00:27:56.200 And leftists will describe themselves as, you know, David fighting Goliath, the eternal rebel.
00:28:01.960 You know, it's always the plucky underdog, you know, the rebels from Star Wars.
00:28:05.600 But one of the interesting things about the regime, about the system as it is, and this is something that both, you know, Jacques Ellul and Kaczynski identify, is that there's sort of this built-in mechanism to take that instinct to rebellion and fold it back in to the system, you know, as it stands.
00:28:25.520 And that's sort of the interesting thing about that process of gradually increasing leftism, right?
00:28:31.780 That you get to say, oh, we're ousting the elite.
00:28:35.280 You know, we're getting rid of those racists who are keeping me from, you know, actualizing the sort of the things I deserve as a member of this new class, right?
00:28:46.240 These people who use the right words, who are, you know, more loyal to this ideology.
00:28:50.700 It lets you do that.
00:28:52.640 But you're not actually challenging the regime, right?
00:28:55.060 You're sort of pushing through an open door in a way that they are very comfortable with.
00:28:59.540 And so imagine, for instance, right, that you are the elite.
00:29:02.840 You control.
00:29:03.720 And I realize there's not like some smoky boardroom, but, you know, bear with me here.
00:29:08.220 What would you signal as high status?
00:29:10.640 Like, what would be the thing that, if you could decide, would be, you know, things people wanted to emulate?
00:29:16.740 What's obedience to the regime, right?
00:29:19.960 So what we're seeing now is, you know, the past week, you know, leftists have been sort of trying to outdo each other in describing all the creative ways they'd like to punish Texans, you know, and red staters who maybe want, you know, Greg Abbott to have a certain say on what happens in his state, right?
00:29:36.420 You know, posting the, you know, this is, you know, Sherman will riot again, you know, we'll nuke them, we'll bomb them. 0.74
00:29:42.460 And these are people who describe themselves as, you know, anarchists, socialists, very edgy people who, you know, are really fighting the system.
00:29:50.460 But what does that mean to them?
00:29:52.020 Well, that means the entire might of the U.S. government should be used to smite my enemies.
00:29:57.480 You know, and we can laugh at that contradiction, but you have to understand that they are doing exactly what they're supposed to.
00:30:03.500 They're not in any way a threat to power.
00:30:05.320 They're just signaling for, you know, those kind of social emotional rewards of getting to feel like they are, you know, extra good and extra special.
00:30:14.620 It's the it's the communist who's demanding a more extreme version of the current revolution.
00:30:19.700 They're not actually doing anything brave.
00:30:22.720 In fact, they're reinforcing and furthering the regime.
00:30:27.040 But but but they get to act as if they're destroying some institutional enemy.
00:30:33.540 And that gives them that that bonus.
00:30:36.000 Well, certainly and my entire life, something that I've heard from older people and I understand what they mean, but they were fundamentally wrong is, oh, well, once these people get out in the real world and they see that it doesn't work, they'll become conservative. 0.85
00:30:52.940 Because that's what happened to me.
00:30:54.720 And certainly that happens for some people.
00:30:56.820 I'm not trying to deny the reality of converts, but it comes from, I believe, mistaken reasoning.
00:31:02.640 And that reasoning is that people make their political affiliations off of strict economic reality.
00:31:09.540 Like what is better for me?
00:31:11.200 And some people do that.
00:31:12.600 I think that's an especially strong kind of current on the conservative right, the kind of chamber of commerce Republicans.
00:31:18.800 But we've got to realize our opponents don't think like we do.
00:31:22.040 They don't act the same way we do.
00:31:23.820 And they are not making a rational choice in that way.
00:31:27.200 They are they're essentially religious extremists. 0.58
00:31:30.820 You should view them almost as, you know, crusaders or jihadis.
00:31:34.540 You know, they are fully sold an idea.
00:31:36.720 And so as this this kind of system seems to be fraying at the edges, you know, their ability to kind of make direct payments either decreases or they have to kind of make some some tights, you know, some cuts.
00:31:48.640 They can't necessarily pay out the same way they do.
00:31:51.520 People have said, you know, oh, this is good.
00:31:53.660 You know, they'll come over to us.
00:31:54.800 We can offer them a better deal.
00:31:56.260 And that's not true because they're not in it.
00:31:58.260 At least these people I'm talking about.
00:32:00.060 They're not in it for a payment.
00:32:04.400 They're in it because for them, that social status is worth more than money.
00:32:09.880 They'd rather be high class than rich.
00:32:12.000 And what I think we'll see is until that ability to dictate hierarchy, until that ability to dictate what is considered high class or what is considered cool.
00:32:22.820 The right won't be able to get those people over.
00:32:26.480 Well, and we see this a couple episodes ago you were on and we talked about different Republicans or conservative leaders who would betray the movement for the status the left would give them.
00:32:40.320 And this always confuses, you know, why, why, why are David French or Roger or other people, why are they genuflecting before this, this aspect of the regime's morality?
00:32:52.140 Why are they, why are they paying service to this when they're supposed to be on our side, when they're supposed to identify with us?
00:32:57.520 When their social hierarchy should be different, right?
00:33:00.700 We're in a different team.
00:33:02.040 We've got a different moral vision.
00:33:03.700 They should be seeking to elevate themselves within our system and not look for the approval of others.
00:33:10.060 And yet over and over again, we see that conservative leaders do exactly the opposite.
00:33:15.880 They, you know, they kind of fall apart as soon as their status might be, might be challenged by the left.
00:33:21.800 They make sure that they kind of fall over themselves anytime they might be accused of certain heresies.
00:33:29.480 And the reason, you know, even though their own base probably wouldn't care or might even be excited that they would, you know, that they would say that kind of thing.
00:33:36.400 And the reason is that even though they're, they're theoretically on the side of the right, even though they're supposed to be representing conservatives, they are still people who want to see themselves as high class.
00:33:52.100 They want to go to the right parties.
00:33:53.900 They want to make sure that they get nice articles in the New York Times.
00:33:57.460 And those are the people that actually confer the status to them, that their socioeconomic position or even not even socioeconomic because we're right.
00:34:06.400 Recognizing that that's not even the key factor.
00:34:08.920 But their position in standing in class is one that is entirely dictated by the left.
00:34:14.320 Only the left can can hand out the class in which they want to exist.
00:34:18.760 They want to attain.
00:34:20.400 And so they are constantly feeding that monster.
00:34:23.000 And that's one of the reasons a lot of people reacted the way that they did to Donald Trump, because Donald Trump is very clearly at some level an elite.
00:34:32.240 He, he, he was, he was maybe a new money guy.
00:34:35.660 Maybe he didn't fit in with some of the elite, but he clearly, you know, he was friends with lots of celebrities before he ran for president as a Republican.
00:34:44.120 Everybody loved him.
00:34:45.240 Obra loved him.
00:34:46.200 Like all these leftists loved him.
00:34:47.620 And so he had broken into at least in some way, the elite levels, just despite maybe being new money or, or gauche in certain ways.
00:34:57.800 And when he crashed out of that by, you know, set, telling the right, what they wanted to hear, telling what conservatives, what they really wanted to hear, the things they had always wanted to hear from their leadership.
00:35:11.000 That's why he acquired a level of loyalty that many conservative pundits and, and, you know, uh, operatives and these things still don't understand.
00:35:21.000 They still don't get that.
00:35:22.160 It was his willingness to counter signal his own class and his willingness to appeal so blatantly in a way that conservative leaders never do to the actual wants of the party to elevate himself inside their status.
00:35:37.380 Is, is, is really, I think what solidified so much support behind him.
00:35:41.900 Well, definitely.
00:35:43.100 And as you can probably tell from my avatar and my general disposition, I'm not one for, for white pills, but I will say, I think that the recent developments at the, the Texas border have been interesting because what I think we're, we might potentially be seeing.
00:35:59.060 And if not now it will, I think eventually happen is that the ability to make that compromise, to be that sort of lukewarm Republican is kind of going away.
00:36:09.560 The gap is simply too wide to span.
00:36:13.160 Right. And so to me, look like I'm not, uh, let's say a personal fan of Greg Abbott, but I think that he came to a realization that he would no longer be in any form of power at all.
00:36:24.560 If he acquiesced to, to Washington.
00:36:28.280 And essentially from Washington's perspective, they've created this kind of principal agent problem, you know, where their middle managers, their governors, if they do what they want, they will no longer be middle managers or governors, they'll be replaced.
00:36:41.120 So all of a sudden, well, you know, it doesn't matter if, you know, I, I get at least some kind of good boy points for going along with the regime.
00:36:51.140 If I have no power at all, because again, these people, these elite people are incredibly ambitious, you know, they are climbers.
00:36:59.220 And if they're completely kicked off the ladder, all of a sudden that's an opportunity, right?
00:37:05.840 We've created a split within the elite and look like I'm a, I'm a firm elitist, right?
00:37:12.300 I'm a believer in elite theory.
00:37:14.060 And so I don't think we're ever going to get away from the kind of machinations of an elite class, but something we can hope for is essentially a system in which us and our people are an important block.
00:37:25.760 We are patrons up to be grabbed.
00:37:27.460 And I think that that's kind of what you can hope for, especially in the system in which, you know, there's a splinter faction in the elite that needs friends to be brutally honest about it.
00:37:39.480 There's a, there was a moment last week when a friend of both your and mine, a black horse who's been on the show and he's very smart guy.
00:37:49.600 I'm not, I'm not trying to bag on here, but I just, I, it was a very relevant conversation.
00:37:54.360 And so I want to bring it up here.
00:37:56.080 Yeah.
00:37:56.440 I said, oh, you know, you, you, you, this is not going to get solved at the state level.
00:38:01.240 So you're, this is not going to get solved at the national level.
00:38:03.640 So you have to take the state action no matter what.
00:38:05.900 And he says, well, unfortunately it doesn't really matter if Greg Abbott takes the action because this is, this is a border enforcement issue.
00:38:14.040 So either all of the states get involved or, or none of them do, because there's always going to be around.
00:38:19.040 And I heard this from a lot of people like, well, they'll just fly people around or they'll bring them in by boats.
00:38:23.840 Or they'll come in from another state.
00:38:25.520 I'm like, no, you don't understand the situation.
00:38:27.640 Like they're never going to fix this issue.
00:38:30.220 There is no federal fix for this issue because they don't want it to be fixed.
00:38:33.520 And so what you need is to play the man, not the ball.
00:38:36.660 Like you don't need to fix the issue of immigration.
00:38:39.100 You do.
00:38:40.080 It's critical, but you can't fix the issue of immigration until you have elites, elites that are absolutely forced back against the wall to take action about it.
00:38:48.960 And so the interesting part is not like what legislation you pass through Congress to enforce the border.
00:38:55.160 There's already tons of legislation that enforces the border.
00:38:57.620 They don't care.
00:38:58.160 They just don't do it.
00:38:59.400 What you need is compliance of the governor.
00:39:01.380 And the way you get that is to put them in a situation where they can only be on your side and still retain power.
00:39:06.440 Like you were saying, Caesar, you know, he takes the he takes the populary path and he he crosses the Rubicon, not because he, you know, necessarily always believed in those things ideologically at his core, but because these are the only path to power.
00:39:22.340 Right.
00:39:22.600 If he doesn't cross the Rubicon, he goes to jail.
00:39:24.820 There's nothing left for him because the Senate will not allow him to climb any, any higher, you will not allow him to climb any higher.
00:39:32.840 They will not allow him to achieve what he wants unless he goes ahead and takes action on behalf of people that he otherwise might not have supported.
00:39:39.860 And the same is true here.
00:39:41.500 You have to put these elites in situations where they can only benefit by serving your interests, tie them directly and specifically to you.
00:39:51.440 Don't play the process.
00:39:53.120 Don't play the game of trying to get things past it.
00:39:55.620 That's small ball.
00:39:57.400 Win the people, win them over, secure that high level elite patronage from them.
00:40:04.320 That's really the key.
00:40:05.460 And I think you're right that until the right gains the ability to tie these elites directly to both your, your values and your, um, and your priorities, but also your status hierarchies, you'll continue to see them defect, defect, defect, because.
00:40:21.440 They, you know, because their, their interests are lie really at the end of the day with the left, with the progressive power structure.
00:40:27.920 And so you have to create a situation where instead the only way that they wield power is by joining your side.
00:40:35.700 Well, and this is something that the left has actually got quite, quite good at, you know, is that I think that what they do a good job of is either directly primarying or threatening to primary kind of DNC strongholds.
00:40:51.760 You know, to get people who are maybe getting a little bit comfortable to kind of move to a more extreme position.
00:40:58.280 And I know that obviously, you know, Abbott's been in power for quite a while, but he was recently, there was kind of a challenger to his right.
00:41:05.360 Don, Don Huffines or something.
00:41:07.600 I can't remember his name.
00:41:08.460 The point is he was a more extreme Republican and he didn't end up winning.
00:41:12.060 But I think the combination of seeing a challenger to his right competition from DeSantis to be the kind of like the bestest, coolest Republican governor.
00:41:21.260 And then also to be blunt about it, some less than flattering census data for the Republican Party in Texas.
00:41:27.860 And I think that's sort of that realization that, oh, if I'm going to keep my hand on the wheel, I need to play the game.
00:41:34.620 You know, I can no longer kind of sit back and let it coast.
00:41:37.840 And especially when forces not aligned as much to the regime get complacent, they get taken out in an instant.
00:41:46.660 I mean, that's what happened to the Republican Party in my home state of Virginia, right, is that they got very, very lazy and got completely obliterated.
00:41:55.080 Now, you know, obviously, Youngkin has done some work to combat that.
00:41:58.520 But I think that if we're looking for, well, how do we create an opportunity for, you know, for our policies to be represented?
00:42:06.640 It's essentially put pressure to the right of these Republicans.
00:42:10.620 Because, look, I'm not saying they're good people.
00:42:12.520 I'm not saying they're moral people.
00:42:13.680 Far from it.
00:42:14.560 But they are self-interested.
00:42:16.080 And the process of making them interested in your self-interest is to basically put pressure on them.
00:42:22.140 And I think that, you know, even if these kind of primary attempts are not successful, they certainly send a signal to, you know, these kind of ordinarily spineless politicians.
00:42:33.620 So I think we've probably explained social, emotional patronage well enough.
00:42:41.340 I do want to bring up a example in the news that's out today of very traditional patronage, which was that of Ilhan Omar.
00:42:49.120 We got footage of her speaking at an event.
00:42:54.400 And she says very clearly in this event, in this footage, that her first priority is Somalia.
00:43:05.120 That's, you know, her nation of birth is her first priority.
00:43:09.460 And that she puts that above the United States.
00:43:12.320 Her second priority is Islam, being a Muslim.
00:43:15.460 That's really the Muslim community is her next. 1.00
00:43:18.440 And so all of these things are far more important to her.
00:43:21.940 And she's willing to subordinate any other interest to this.
00:43:26.040 And I think a lot of conservatives were amazed that she would say that kind of thing out loud.
00:43:33.420 But I think that's just an indication of you're kind of in that late imperial moment where it's very clear that a large amount of people have come in from other cultures, other areas.
00:43:46.700 You have left those borders open.
00:43:49.100 You have allowed mass immigration, legal and illegal. 0.95
00:43:52.460 And that has changed the dynamic inside your country.
00:43:56.220 And there's a deep interest in this.
00:43:59.620 And these people are willing to, because they're allowed to do it, you know, the left can say these things.
00:44:04.560 I'm here for Somalia.
00:44:06.000 That's my job.
00:44:06.960 That you guys elect me.
00:44:08.060 I do the things you want me to do.
00:44:09.960 She's not going to lose.
00:44:11.420 You know, she's not going to lose any position inside the party. 0.97
00:44:13.780 She's not going to lose her status. 0.97
00:44:15.260 And she's certainly not going to lose her seat because she's telling the people who vote for her exactly what they want to hear.
00:44:20.920 But I think it was very rough for a lot of Americans who may not be aware of this particular relationship that is very common on the left to see that kind of so explicitly stated in front of everyone.
00:44:32.320 Well, definitely.
00:44:34.020 And I think that, you know, this is a particularly egregious example.
00:44:37.920 We've seen it with other nations as well, right?
00:44:39.920 It seems it would beggar belief, considering how many Ukrainians work in the State Department, that that doesn't have some sort of bearing on our relation to the nation of Ukraine, right? 0.90
00:44:51.060 Other nations obviously have sort of a similar dynamic set up.
00:44:53.960 But that is a very, I like your phrase, kind of late empire, right, where all these kind of ethnic squabbles from different corners of, you know, the GAE are sort of being brought home to roost.
00:45:04.320 You know, Canada has had this as well, you know, where they've had, I believe, that the Indian government allegedly assassinated a Sikh radical on Canadian soil.
00:45:14.080 And this was just seen as sort of a normal occurrence, right?
00:45:17.520 That as, you know, these populations come here, they bring their baggage with them. 1.00
00:45:21.780 Obviously, this has been going on for hundreds of years.
00:45:24.320 Similar things happened, obviously, in the Civil War with different European groups.
00:45:28.320 But I think that as that becomes an ever more significant portion of the American population, that trend will continue.
00:45:37.240 Yeah, it was interesting.
00:45:38.720 I was, you know, I was reading The Clash of Civilizations.
00:45:42.200 And that book's written in 1995 by Samuel Huntington.
00:45:50.300 And he specifically talks about kind of the critical nature of diasporas inside of these kind of large imperial battles and the role that they play.
00:45:59.380 His example, because, again, it was written back in 1995, was kind of an Armenian confrontation and the way that the Armenians received large amounts of support from the American government, you know, to the level where it was called the, you know, it was called the Israel of the Balkans or something, you know, because of the level of aid they were receiving.
00:46:22.420 And, like, how common it is, once you kind of have this hegemonic status, to have basically, like, a greater Somalia or a greater Armenia that's going to compel politicians to take particular sides in foreign conflicts that otherwise have no, you know, kind of interest in American, no American interest.
00:46:46.960 And so it's just interesting to see that that effect has only intensified and only become far more blatant.
00:46:53.280 I've seen it.
00:46:53.940 I've been in scenarios where, you know, I was working for a politician and they would just kind of, you know, you would hear them talking about, you know, he's a Greek politician and no one cares about Cyprus.
00:47:07.040 Like, you never say this in front of any other group.
00:47:09.200 But when he's in front of his, like, Greek fundraisers, all of a sudden the issue of Cyprus is, like, first and foremost.
00:47:15.640 And he's talking about how critical this is to, like, his entire existence as a politician.
00:47:21.020 And so there's nothing new about this.
00:47:22.540 This has existed inside, you know, every nation, especially as they grow to the size of an empire.
00:47:28.580 It's just getting, it's incredibly pronounced.
00:47:31.180 And it was just interesting that as we talk about patronage, that was very shocking to a lot of people who otherwise really shouldn't be shocked.
00:47:39.700 Because this is kind of exactly what has been warned about by pretty much everyone, every paleocon for a very long time. 1.00
00:47:47.720 And it's simply those chickens coming home to roost.
00:47:50.420 No, certainly.
00:47:53.560 And it's interesting because, you know, when you mentioned that, the example I always think of is, and this was kind of a trope in, you know, spy movies all through the 80s, right?
00:48:03.900 Is the kind of Irish diaspora on the American Northeast Coast, you know, running guns to the IRA.
00:48:09.600 You know, and that's kind of a non-controversial example, right?
00:48:12.760 Because that's sort of out of, you know, everyone's kind of imagination currently.
00:48:16.780 But again, that is just sort of a fact of ethnic diasporas.
00:48:21.080 And as we get, as we pick up more and more of them, we sort of become entangled in more and more of these foreign conflicts.
00:48:29.640 All right, guys.
00:48:30.040 Well, we're going to go ahead and pivot over to the questions of the people.
00:48:34.580 But before we do so, Jay, where can people find this essay and all your other great work?
00:48:39.260 Yeah, sure.
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00:48:52.840 But recently, I've talked to Ed Dutton.
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00:49:20.580 Excellent.
00:49:20.920 All right, guys.
00:49:21.620 Let's go ahead and look at your questions.
00:49:24.200 Creeper Weirdo says, is this a stream about Reddit?
00:49:26.740 Sir, all of my streams are in some way slapping Reddit around.
00:49:31.300 Yeah, we could have basically called this like an upvote patronage.
00:49:37.200 You know, it would have been essentially the same idea.
00:49:38.840 Is it karma you get on Reddit?
00:49:40.980 I believe so, yeah.
00:49:42.500 Yeah, this is just the system of karma patronage.
00:49:46.220 Yeah.
00:49:46.760 Trickle down wokeism.
00:49:48.060 Yep, absolutely.
00:49:49.260 Except this is real.
00:49:50.540 You know, that one actually happens.
00:49:54.180 Let's see.
00:49:54.840 Life of Brian says, I went back in time and an old elite scolded me for the way I held my teacup.
00:50:01.680 I laughed with joy and thanked her for not castrating my child.
00:50:05.480 She was very confused.
00:50:07.840 Yes, it is funny how terrible we tend to portray elites of just a few generations ago when considering what our current elites have unleashed upon the world.
00:50:21.760 Well, certainly.
00:50:22.580 And that shows you how much healthier it is, right, to have a society where people are kind of competing over minute points of etiquette, which admittedly is kind of silly.
00:50:31.260 But given the alternative is like effectively like large scale human sacrifice and castration, it's like, OK, well, I think that's a trade I'm willing to make.
00:50:40.540 Like, it's really amazing the horrors that you can unleash by promising people to remove parts of human nature like, oh, well, we'll get rid of, you know, someone telling you you're a bad person because of your musical taste or because you don't hold your teacup correctly or because you didn't wear your suit to church.
00:50:59.140 And all it will cost you is the testicles of your children, right?
00:51:02.900 That seems to be the perfect deal that has been made.
00:51:07.560 And it is it is kind of like social Lysenkoism, you know, where it's like we have this ideology and no matter the consequences, we will put it into action.
00:51:15.620 You know, and it's sort of just like, well, OK, like, I guess maybe now you don't get made fun of at school for playing D&D on the weekends.
00:51:22.600 But, you know, was it worth the cost of, you know, just everything, you know, all the kind of issues we both talk about.
00:51:30.680 And apparently some people consider that a good trade.
00:51:35.940 Truly amazing.
00:51:37.360 Life of Brian says scholastic meritocracy is a big part of it.
00:51:41.600 Midwit scholastics were easily swayed. 0.97
00:51:44.080 That countersignaling, then conventional wisdom, signaled intellect.
00:51:48.140 Yeah, that's absolutely true.
00:51:49.600 When you have especially with the overproduction of elites, again, turning universities and guys, by the way, this is a this is an entire chapter in the total state.
00:51:59.580 So, you know, you can find a link to preorder that book.
00:52:03.080 I'll go ahead and drop it in the description of the video if you'd like to preorder my book.
00:52:06.120 But an entire chapter of the total state is dedicated to kind of the disaster that was turning colleges, the university system into the mechanism by which people ascend the social status hierarchy where the way we crown elites and the elite overproduction that many people have talked about, myself included.
00:52:26.540 You just have to find all these different ways to kind of show your status.
00:52:31.500 And when you're not really getting anything from a value out of your university degree, the best thing you can do is is that desire to counter signal everyone kind of down the ladder through, again, your jargon, your scholastic meritocracy, as you point out, life, Brian.
00:52:48.140 So great point.
00:52:49.460 Well, and one thing, sorry, I realized I should have brought I actually should have written about this in the article.
00:52:52.920 This would have been a great point that I've only now thought about.
00:52:54.640 But this is sort of the shell game that the regime played with Occupy Wall Street, right?
00:53:00.720 It is people who are angry about, you know, oh, the regime is treating me unfairly.
00:53:05.100 And essentially the offer they were given is, well, the real reason that you don't have what you want is is secret racists, you know, and you can instead of having a good life, you can essentially, you know, devote that instinct to climbing this sort of like completely made up social ladder.
00:53:23.500 And it does sort of seem like, let's be honest, a lot of those people were those kind of like Midwest scholastic types, you know, who'd bought the promise of college, and it hadn't panned out.
00:53:34.520 And so it was sort of kind of an alternate way for them to kind of experience like an increase in, I wouldn't say living standard, increase in social standard, I guess.
00:53:44.700 Absolutely. Yeah, nothing, there's nothing more spiteful than the, than the guy who was promised greatness, and instead ended up with $100,000 and a useless degree.
00:53:58.480 Trey 50 Daniel says people tend to act on their incentives, create the proper incentives for the Republican elite, and they will act accordingly.
00:54:05.020 That's absolutely true. The only problem, I think, for a lot of people on the right is they don't know how to create those incentives anymore.
00:54:11.280 They don't understand because, again, they don't get that link, they don't get the patronage link, they don't get the, you know, the way that this reciprocal relationship works.
00:54:22.300 They don't understand how to create those bonds.
00:54:24.080 And so, as I pointed out, one of the faults a lot of people play is they will say, well, I want them to enact policies for me.
00:54:31.140 And it's like, okay, but they don't have the ability to do that, and they don't have the incentive to do that.
00:54:35.840 So what can you do? Well, I can tie it very directly to their ability to just hold office as a governor somewhere, right?
00:54:41.760 And like, so you need to focus it. You can't, it's, there's a reason that the incumbency rate of, you know, Congress is so high, and that none of them are held accountable.
00:54:51.820 You know, those things are interlinked, as where, when you have an executive, there's a far more direct and one-to-one relationship between power and accountability.
00:55:00.100 And this is why, you know, the ability to leverage Abbott is so much more powerful than trying to wrangle every single Republican senator or congressman.
00:55:09.920 Thuggo says, is leftists claiming to be evil because of racism sanctimonious?
00:55:20.020 Sorry, that one's a little difficult there.
00:55:23.080 Evil because of racism sanctimonious.
00:55:27.100 I guess they're obviously finding a shared moral vision.
00:55:34.380 And they need to create an enemy and they need to differentiate themselves between, you know, between the evil racist, those that are below them in status and are therefore less holy than them and themselves elevate themselves.
00:55:47.980 So in a way, yes, that that's, that's definitely part of it, which is another reason why it's so important to just not argue over whether or not you're racist.
00:55:56.720 They're, they're just doing it in bad faith when you try to challenge that and, oh, you're the real racist.
00:56:02.480 You're just confirming their frame that that's the most important thing.
00:56:06.080 The thing that they define the thing, the term they have control of, you're reinforcing that.
00:56:10.520 And so that's why it's always a mistake to play the play the game inside their moral frame.
00:56:15.360 You don't need to, you don't need to show yourself to be the best one in the current moral hierarchy.
00:56:20.220 You need to show that the current moral hierarchy is corrupt and that that's the mentality shift that you need from the right.
00:56:26.720 And that's why conceptualizing this as a religious war or war of belief is so essential, right? 0.81
00:56:32.980 Like you don't, you don't, you know, politely sit down with the Saracen and say, well, I'm not really a, you know, I'm not really a, you know, a heathen invader.
00:56:42.200 You know, you basically, that's a conflict, you know, and, and you don't necessarily enter this as this is a, like you said, like a good faith accusation.
00:56:51.400 You know, it is simply just a ritual denunciation, like calling someone a heretic.
00:56:58.160 Uh, Simplar says it's very curious in Manhattan when a current thing happens and the New York times hasn't issued a feels the progressives here wonder around clueless, worried about having an opinion that might be wrong next Thursday.
00:57:12.140 Right. That's exactly right. Then there's that dynamic is, is very real that when there, there has been no pronouncement on high, you know, that your entire social status, especially a place like New York is, is, uh, around, uh, you know, these kinds of pronouncements.
00:57:28.380 You need to know what's right. So you can start telling everybody, but there's this lag time sometimes between the official organs, uh, and the, and, you know, uh, what we should believe this is actually what probably gives the upper class that, that moment, right.
00:57:43.060 Where they can set the tone. And so, uh, you know, that, that's not, uh, that's not so much a flaw in the system as a feature.
00:57:49.200 However, uh, yeah, it is funny to see when, when the left is, is grasping around, uh, between, between lag time transmission updates of the NPC, uh, frame firmware.
00:58:01.020 Like what should we believe now currently? We don't know. Uh, it's, it's all very confusing.
00:58:07.000 Uh, John Carter says the civil war was about destroying decentralized patronage networks and stealing the plebeians for systems, which provide no long-term benefit to them.
00:58:15.640 Uh, civil war is about a lot of things, but that is absolutely one of them. Uh, you know, there, there are a lot of divides, uh, in the United States.
00:58:23.280 There was always a tension between urban and rural, the merchant and the farmer, uh, the North and the South.
00:58:30.020 Uh, this was, this was always a dynamic and sometimes it involves slavery and sometimes it didn't, but that's why boiling the civil war down to slavery is very stupid.
00:58:38.480 Uh, it, it, it, it's certainly an important factor, but it is, is not the only factor and ignoring the other critical ones is, is always foolish.
00:58:46.720 Uh, and one of the things that the civil war most absolutely did, uh, was kind of get rid of the idea that individual states really set their own culture and their own agenda and could, could operate independently.
00:59:01.320 Uh, once you can no longer secede, uh, you no longer have the opportunity to ignore, uh, kind of, kind of federal mandates that the 10th amendment dies, uh, federalism kind of dies, uh, due to that.
00:59:13.360 Uh, but we do, we do still have some of those remnants, uh, and it is nice that, that, uh, you know, guys like Greg Abbott can still, uh, flex some of that muscle, uh, because we still kind of reflexively feel that we have that, even if in practice, it hasn't been shown up until perhaps Abbott for a very long time.
00:59:31.920 Well, and I think that, you know, just to be, to be very brief, if you're looking for kind of a fictionalized depiction of both what John Carter is referring to and, you know, this sort of direct system of patronage, uh, the classic movie gangs of New York is a great example.
00:59:46.760 You know, it's about the birth of certain ethnic patronage networks in America effectively.
00:59:51.600 Uh, and so if you want to see a movie version of my article, that's a pretty good, good place to start.
00:59:55.960 Yeah.
00:59:56.480 When they're just important, you know, the Irish are getting off of the boat and immediately going on to the, you know, getting a uniform and going directly into the civil war, just going right down the river. 0.99
01:00:06.200 Yeah.
01:00:06.640 Right.
01:00:06.880 Exactly.
01:00:07.780 Yeah.
01:00:08.220 It's a, it's a great scene.
01:00:10.100 All right.
01:00:10.740 Uh, Cliff Jaded says, even in Singapore, people will adopt Americanisms, progressivism in order to appear more upper class and elite liberalism swallows us all.
01:00:19.540 Uh, yeah, you're not the only person to say that, uh, we've both been on Alex Casciuta's show and when I've spoken with her, you know, she said, well, in Romania, we have this, you know, the, the girls who want to sound like they're elite start talking about abortion law in Alabama. 0.51
01:00:33.560 Right.
01:00:34.880 As if they have any clue, as if they could find it on a map, as if they've ever interacted with this, as if it has any impact on them.
01:00:41.320 But they still know that like their status comes from alliance with the GAE.
01:00:47.300 And so they go ahead and kind of regurgitate those concerns, even though it has nothing to do with what's happening in Romania or their lives.
01:00:55.460 Uh, because, and that, that's really how, you know, you have a global empire is because everyone in the world who wants to have a certain level of status, uh, kind of changes the way they speak to align themselves with that.
01:01:08.000 Though I think that is changing. Uh, I think that will continue to change as America's global presence or, or hegemony, uh, kind of wanes.
01:01:16.820 Uh, but that is certainly a marker of kind of, of how this, uh, patronage works even beyond the borders of the United States.
01:01:24.800 Well, and, and you see the, you see this because anytime there's sort of a regime approved presidential candidate, the same article comes out, which says, I'll have, you know, 70% of Europeans, you know,
01:01:37.840 listed out by countries supports regime candidate, you know, and you sort of see that it's sort of a self-reinforcing thing.
01:01:44.320 Like recently this article was written about Nikki Haley, but if you look back four years or four years before that, it's a recurring article.
01:01:51.560 You'll find it again.
01:01:53.000 Absolutely.
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