The Auron MacIntyre Show - Spencer Pratt and the Joke of American Democracy ｜ Guest： Tom Sauer ｜ 6⧸8⧸26

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy. Once again, we have another magical election for the Democrats, this time in the mayoral election for Los Angeles. Also, we have yet another attempt at peace in the Middle East. Can you have peace while two sides are actively firing at each other? A question that only Donald Trump can ultimately solve.

00:00:24.280 joining me today to discuss this is Tom Sauer he's a Navy veteran and a Lincoln fellow at the

00:00:29.960 Claremont Institute thank you so much for joining me Tom thanks for having so much for having me

00:00:33.920 brother I'm glad to be back on here of course so I want to start with the mayoral election now I'll

00:00:39.560 be honest months ago people were like watch the LA mayoral election this one's different there's

00:00:44.600 something else going on there and like pretty much any good you know southern republican I was

00:00:49.360 like it's adorable poor kids like you know that's a california will vote in a republican mayor or

00:00:56.460 at least a not insane leftist mayor i'm sure you know but actually you know for the last few weeks

00:01:01.980 as this is built it's become clear that there was some there there to the point where um now we're

00:01:07.240 watching uh some of the most fortified elections uh one has ever seen in american history and

00:01:14.060 that's saying something because i've done podcasts on the election of like 1876 so uh let's get into

00:01:20.820 this i think like a lot of people you know i was just not paying a huge amount of attention

00:01:25.660 to spencer pratt and what was going on here so who is spencer pratt where did he come from is he

00:01:31.540 running as a republican what's going on well i mean i don't know if i call him a republican but

00:01:36.420 i think he's one of these guys that just like wants to be able to make some things work i'd

00:01:40.560 say he's notionally probably a democrat but you know i don't know like to those you know maybe some

00:01:45.320 members of your audience might be too young to remember him but you know i'm old enough to

00:01:49.240 remember i was not a reality tv uh fan never really have been but you know he played like

00:01:54.640 the villain so to speak uh on that show the hills i think it was and uh you know yeah that's that's

00:02:02.700 where he came from originally and then you know and then he went through his hippie phase where

00:02:06.440 and like crystals and stuff. I mean, like on brand for LA, right? I mean, very much so for

00:02:13.280 wealthy Angeleno. And then, you know, when the fire happened, lost everything. And then all of

00:02:18.280 a sudden, you know, that, that obviously radicalized him in a lot of ways. And, you know,

00:02:22.440 I live in the DC area now, but I've only been back here for a few months, but, you know, I always

00:02:26.500 still look at Southern California as my home. I only moved out here from Orange County, which is

00:02:31.560 the same part of California. I moved out here back in January. And, you know, the thing is,

00:02:38.220 like, look, I lived in the San Fernando Valley when I was a little boy. I went to grad school

00:02:42.540 at UCLA. I'm very familiar with the area. And I think that there is just this natural default

00:02:49.500 of, you know, being a Democrat. However, Spencer Pratt really appealed to a lot of people. He

00:02:56.360 He was, you know, by Angeleno standards, in many ways, he came off as the everyman, which

00:03:02.100 obviously he's not an everyman.

00:03:03.700 He's a reality TV star, but everyone liked to think that he was.

00:03:07.400 And, you know, he was going against this very entrenched Democrat machine.

00:03:12.600 And I got, you know, I've got a couple of friends who worked on his campaign, both on

00:03:17.980 the fundraising side and on the media side.

00:03:21.040 And I think what really did hit a nerve with a lot of people were those fan videos, right?

00:03:28.060 And what it's really important to point out that Spencer didn't actually make any of those

00:03:34.260 AI videos.

00:03:35.220 There was one video that was made out, you know, was showing where this is where Karen

00:03:39.340 Bass lives and this is where Nithya Raman lives.

00:03:42.180 And this is where I live, you know, his home where he's got a trailer there.

00:03:45.400 And whether or not he actually lived on that lot and that trailer all the time is absolutely

00:03:49.100 immaterial.

00:03:49.820 but the thing is though is like he made that was him it's a lot of other ones but then there were

00:03:54.440 these uh you know charlie curran uh made a couple of really good ai videos and a bunch of other fan

00:03:59.340 ones but you know he didn't you know he didn't make any of those those were all like homegrown

00:04:03.760 by fans people who were also angelenos who just wanted some sanity and they wanted to see how they

00:04:10.580 could apply their talents uh into that and i've got a lot of their friends who were doing some

00:04:16.220 fundraising forum man i'll tell you the momentum was there and the only way in my opinion is if we

00:04:23.760 had is that if there were voter integrity if we had some semblance of voter integrity in california

00:04:29.560 this could have been prevented and i think what it all comes down to was probably the most

00:04:33.240 important piece of legislation that has ever you know been brought brought to congress in our

00:04:38.640 lifetimes and that was the save america act and you know yet again i think we were betrayed by

00:04:44.680 a handful of well-entrenched or retiring Senate Republicans. And I remember when I had a buddy

00:04:53.540 of mine who worked in the Senate, and he told me that he's pretty sure that there's a cabal

00:04:57.860 between Senate Republicans and House Democrats against Trump. And there might be some truth to

00:05:02.340 that. But it looks like, I think as of this morning, they officially called it that Spencer

00:05:08.420 you know place third and you know and we see the da in central district california uh that is you

00:05:17.640 know investigating it but i think even he said there's his his hands are kind of tied there's

00:05:22.460 only so much that they can do and then we see the senate republicans it's like what was the state

00:05:26.980 because i asked you know one of my friends on the campaign what was because they said the save

00:05:30.440 america act was the most important thing that would it could save this and i asked him i said

00:05:35.460 what what do you think you know what's the only way around this and or why did they do this why

00:05:40.320 why did they vote against us just you know they claim states rights issues that it's the state's

00:05:44.560 prerogative to run their elections but when you have a state that is run by let's just be honest 0.73

00:05:49.640 you know communists or pinkos whatever you want to call it you know you you know i think you said 0.71

00:05:54.160 it on there it's like or maybe it was jesse who said it but it was you know you can vote communism

00:05:59.140 in but you can't vote it out and i feel that that's i feel that that's where we are right now

00:06:05.300 man. So, um, you know, everyone's saying we need to investigate and have all these indictments and

00:06:11.720 we need to have audits of the election. And, you know, I, I, I hate to say it, but I think there's

00:06:17.180 going to be a lot of noise and nothing's going to happen. Sadly, I don't think anyone's going to go

00:06:23.160 to jail because everything that they did on this fortifying this election, as you pointed out,

00:06:28.960 flying in ballots by a helicopter is the most insane thing in the world i don't know it's

00:06:36.040 really secure don't worry we've got our own our own helicopters flying them in it's perfectly

00:06:40.580 fine i'm sure but the thing is though is i mean is even though it's obviously wrong i i think

00:06:47.020 everyone knows it but it's legal that's the messed up part it's by california standard it's it's

00:06:53.420 legal. And, you know, I posted on this either this morning or last night that, you know, I went back

00:06:59.860 to, you know, Scott Adams, who was, you know, in addition to Charlie Kirk is probably two of the

00:07:05.040 greatest losses the right has suffered in a long time, is that, you know, you pointed out a long

00:07:11.860 time ago saying that, like, look, if the odds of you getting caught cheating, and this goes for

00:07:19.060 anything this is like almost any crime or anything like that if the the odds of you getting caught

00:07:23.500 are very low and even if you're caught if the consequences are very low that the uh odds of

00:07:30.900 there being some sort of cheating or a crime being committed approach 100 so you know just like you

00:07:38.140 know if there's a bank vault that's left open there's a bunch of money out there and there's

00:07:41.400 no cops and even if they caught you they want to give you a slap on the wrist like somebody's

00:07:44.660 gonna rob that bank you know so and i think that's what we're dealing with here and i don't think

00:07:50.680 that there is any i don't see any viable practical way to fix this outside of the save america act

00:07:58.220 which at least as of last week is dead so uh you know no black pilling no black pilling but

00:08:07.580 for california it might be pretty bad we'll see what happens well tom i i think we're we're trying

00:08:13.500 to run first world high trust software on third world low trust hardware uh and that is bringing

00:08:21.060 about some pretty serious problems but there's a lot there we gotta unpack it all so let's go back

00:08:26.480 to the beginning beginning before we start dropping our real our real black bills here at the end so

00:08:31.240 so first what made spencer pratt different you're talking about a guy maybe you know kind of a

00:08:36.480 democrat nominally uh you know a reality tv star but suddenly starts talking some sense uh if this

00:08:44.000 sounds familiar anybody who might be running the country let me know and you know well so this is

00:08:49.080 a formula we've seen kind of work but like specifically what issues was spencer pratt

00:08:53.840 uh kind of harping on that set him apart in this election why was he speaking to the people in the

00:08:58.580 la in la the way he did well the biggest one was just simply what happened to him and his neighbors

00:09:03.800 It was just like public services, emergency services, the fire department.

00:09:08.480 There was no water in the reservoir.

00:09:10.080 There was no standard maintenance.

00:09:11.940 Like, you know, they did very little to actually prevent the fires because it looks like those

00:09:16.560 fires were almost certainly caused by a vagrant who was out there deliberately starting fires.

00:09:24.340 And then there was no water in the reservoir to, you know, they're opening up all the hydrants

00:09:28.780 and they all went dry.

00:09:29.520 So he went, he started, started off with a, Hey, how about, you know, I'm the, uh, I'm 0.99

00:09:35.460 the make shit work candidate. 0.98

00:09:37.340 Like that's basically it. 0.99

00:09:38.640 That's what I, that's what he wanted.

00:09:40.080 Am I, is okay to swear?

00:09:41.100 Sorry.

00:09:41.960 It's already happened.

00:09:43.220 All right.

00:09:43.900 Sorry.

00:09:44.260 Yeah.

00:09:44.760 And so, but like, he wanted to be like, Hey, let's make things work around here for starters.

00:09:49.060 And then it came down to, you know, like, let's get all of these addicted, mentally

00:09:54.020 ill people off the street.

00:09:56.480 And, you know, that's something that I, that's a field that I worked in for a number of years.

00:09:59.740 I had a company that did very intensive mental health and addiction treatment for veterans in Southern California.

00:10:05.660 And we treated a lot of, you know, chronically homeless, addicted veterans in Los Angeles.

00:10:14.000 I mean, you know, one of our biggest sources of patients was the West LA VA hospital, which is right on Wilshire Boulevard, right where the 10 meets the 405 right there.

00:10:24.700 and um you know uh what the the big issue was is like a lot of it just came down to tough love like

00:10:31.340 when they always try to say oh it's about housing costs it never it isn't it's like 99 percent or

00:10:36.860 more of all the homeless people you see on the street are addicted to hard drugs and or mentally

00:10:43.900 ill usually they are very mentally ill because they are addicted um there are some cases that

00:10:49.120 are probably outliers where people were just naturally mentally ill and then they become

00:10:52.680 addicted. Um, you know, I've spent a lot of time on skid row, man. Like it's, it's scary. It's,

00:10:58.640 it's a scary place. Um, and you want to like clean that up. Right. Like I, I lived in San

00:11:04.240 Fernando Valley, Northridge, California in the Valley when I was, uh, like through kindergarten

00:11:08.820 elementary school. And then I lived a little bit North of LA. Um, after, you know, when I was a

00:11:13.120 little bit older than that. And it's like, I remember I'm, you know, I'm 45 years old and I'm

00:11:17.100 still old enough to remember the eighties and early nineties of where like Los Angeles was like

00:11:21.820 not a scary place. It was relatively safe. I mean, yeah, of course there's crime. You know,

00:11:26.480 my stepfather spent 22 years in LAPD and he had crazy stories. I mean, wild stuff. I grew up on

00:11:32.400 crazy cop stories of the stuff that he saw and did, uh, you know, to people back before, you

00:11:39.120 know, uh, the laws changed. We'll put it that way is, um, but it was a relatively safe place. You

00:11:45.560 could walk around Los Angeles. It was okay to take your family downtown or take them to Wilshire

00:11:49.620 Boulevard to, you know, take him out to dinner, go shopping. And now it's like Los Angeles has

00:11:54.200 certain pockets that are nice for the most part, but rest of it is just tents everywhere. So he

00:11:59.500 was just there to like, clean up the streets, get, you know, make the fire hydrants work,

00:12:04.760 have some police officers, give them, empower them to, you know, to actually follow the law. 0.58

00:12:08.400 And when it came to all the vagrants in the attics, it's like, Hey, we're clearing out all 0.75

00:12:11.660 these tent cities and either you're going to go to voluntary treatment or you're going to go to 0.56

00:12:15.400 jail. And, you know, believe it or not, as much as everyone loves to, you know, dump on Europe 0.86

00:12:19.100 all the time that's something that the netherlands actually does really well is because you know they

00:12:24.640 rethought a lot of their drug policy but they've got a strict policy they're like you're not

00:12:28.240 sleeping in public and if you are you're going to jail and if you have a serious problem you go to

00:12:33.280 treatment or you go to jail and you know i mean and it's like this carrot and stick they do a

00:12:38.380 really good job of that and that's part of the reason why they don't have anywhere near the

00:12:42.720 problems in the netherlands you know amsterdam right as they do in um you know in in most big

00:12:50.080 cities in america man and so i think that was the big appeal is just like make la livable again so

00:12:57.300 it was just very much a rudy giuliani platform right like just yeah it's not about the it's not

00:13:03.060 about the edgy social issues it's not about foreign policy it's uh we i want i want to be

00:13:09.000 able to walk down the street without a crack addict throwing something at you know my child

00:13:13.180 right like that just kind of some of the basic stuff you know water comes out of the fire hydrant

00:13:18.420 when my house is on fire just that 100 and it's so doable because i lived in orange county which

00:13:24.000 is about 40 minutes south right in orange i lived in mostly in newport beach california which

00:13:28.800 you know it is an extremely affluent very nice area it is beautiful it's what people think

00:13:34.060 southern california should be except it is obscenely expensive it's more expensive than

00:13:38.200 beverly hills right and like look i felt we didn't lock our doors i mean which sounds great people

00:13:44.380 think that's crazy we just like hardly ever locked our doors the police were friendly to you i had a

00:13:49.280 buddy of mine who was a cop in newport beach who literally said yeah i pulled a cat out of a tree

00:13:53.520 before you know what i mean like i mean it's it's what do you think it could be and the thing is is

00:13:58.920 i was like you know i i knew the the orange county sheriff and he openly said he's like hey look i got

00:14:04.100 room in my jail and they don't do you know uh you know immediately no cash bail none of that they

00:14:09.980 don't mess around they and you know orange county the police like to advertise there was signs when

00:14:14.680 you drive south from the 405 leaving los angeles heading in orange county it says no la and oc you

00:14:20.940 will go to jail right so they like and they had they and actually they would publish body cam

00:14:25.980 photos or videos rather of orange county police uh you know arresting shoplifters and thieves

00:14:33.020 and they say and they're talking to the cop like okay you're just gonna book us and let's go like

00:14:36.980 no you're you're going to jail like what do you mean i thought you just like no that's los angeles

00:14:41.420 so i mean it's it's one of those things where it's it's not it it's it's just simply a matter

00:14:45.940 of will there's so many things are simply a matter of will and instead you've got

00:14:49.100 a democrat machine that is just frankly anti-human unhuman so now to the election itself

00:14:57.840 so originally uh spencer pratt is running he's running against this karen bass uh you know and

00:15:04.200 then there's also this third candidate i have to look again because i forgot it nitha raman

00:15:08.960 yeah yeah there we go that one uh star wars name of some form so uh you know these are your

00:15:16.580 candidates now they seem to be in a three-way runoff type election can you explain explain

00:15:22.280 the primary process and why he has to battle his way into this, uh, kind of, uh, this competition

00:15:28.260 of only two people. Yeah. Mostly in, in California, generally speaking, this also goes to the

00:15:33.740 governor's race too, is that they have a, you know, an all around open primary and the two top

00:15:39.900 vote getters, then they go to the runoff. Right. And so, which typically it always, you know,

00:15:45.160 in most places it's a Democrat versus another Democrat. Quite often that's kind of what would

00:15:50.080 happen and then uh you know and then all of a sudden here we are spencer pratt shows up who is

00:15:56.700 not really a republican i mean he doesn't care about foreign policy stuff he's not talking about

00:16:01.900 abortion or anything like that gun control is like let's just make this place safer and cleaner

00:16:05.640 and he comes in there and looks like he won pretty handily on election night looks at least he made

00:16:11.980 it second place and then you have a big battle against karen bass who you know frankly i think

00:16:18.240 he had a better shot against Karen Bass than Nithya Rama, to be completely honest, just because 0.51

00:16:21.900 she has a track record of failure. And Spencer did a really good job of pointing out that she was,

00:16:30.700 you know, literally a communist, that she was on a vacation or, you know, work trip to Ghana

00:16:36.200 during the fires. It was pretty much completely absent, didn't rush home early, anything like

00:16:41.240 that. You know, trained in communist camps in Cuba, you know, while, you know, while Spencer

00:16:46.580 was uh being a reality tv villain or whatever whatever is uh you know she was quite literally

00:16:52.660 a communist but she had a very real track record of failure and i really do think that had it been

00:16:58.660 bass versus pratt that he would have stood a very real chance that they really wouldn't turn it on

00:17:03.880 so you know and for some reason just out of the blue we got to fortify that election

00:17:08.700 and look what happened and i think what did what really did a lot of people in is just like this

00:17:13.800 is so blatant in your face um you know i haven't i got somebody needs to check in on nate silver

00:17:20.980 you know because he's saying oh this is very odd or something like somebody somebody yeah can we

00:17:25.780 get a a welfare check on nate silver or like see what he's saying you know and of course they always

00:17:31.480 plead uh you know naivete well i just don't understand oh wow this is really strange and

00:17:36.800 it's like okay come on guys i don't really think you're being disingenuous but you know like i

00:17:41.320 said earlier, it looks like this is, uh, this is legal. Sadly. I mean, it's legal. They, they,

00:17:47.300 to quote, uh, my buddy, will Chamberlain talk about the 2020 election is they cheated fair

00:17:53.840 and square. Right. Yeah. This is, yeah, no, I think Molly Hemingway did a great job with her

00:17:59.920 book, uh, about the election. And you, even though I think there probably was a lot of

00:18:04.540 illegal shenanigans as well with that election. If you just look at the evidence of the actual

00:18:09.000 quote-unquote legal actions that were taken during that election you can see how wildly the system

00:18:14.940 moved to warp it and and you know throw it for trump even if no you know technically illegal

00:18:22.160 things were done even though that was definitely happening as well but even if you just need the

00:18:26.160 above the board evidence it's it's plentiful there so that said uh for people who are unfamiliar as

00:18:31.880 the election you know we see the initial results it looks pretty good for pratt uh then you have

00:18:37.940 uh this elongated counting which we've all of a sudden it turns out you know most of my life

00:18:43.820 vast majority of my life uh you had elections on election day and then you counted the votes

00:18:49.480 and you had a winner and usually someone had conceded the same night or if not the morning

00:18:55.160 the next morning like that was pretty much how every election ran and then magically over the

00:19:00.600 last you know 10 years or so the definition of an election has radically shifted and like of course

00:19:06.260 it's always taken us seven days two weeks three months to count ballots that's always been you

00:19:12.440 know the we don't have the technology to count uh ballots you know any faster than uh you know we

00:19:17.880 and obviously like as the counting goes on you know as we saw with biden and the like magical

00:19:22.680 drops of ballots that showed up uh as the counting goes on we see that things are moving more and

00:19:28.740 more in the uh direction of ramen in fact to the point where uh it starts to get comical when you

00:19:34.640 look at some of the turn in numbers where more votes come in and they're you know they're they're

00:19:39.080 for the other two candidates but none of them are voting for bass and all of them happen to be

00:19:44.280 coming in for ramen for some reason out of nowhere there was just this batch of voters who are

00:19:49.860 specifically targeting the second or the third place candidate to try to booster above spencer

00:19:55.480 pratt just randomly they're just though the way the ballots broke is we just happen to have not

00:20:00.720 counted her ballots which makes it even more ridiculous because you know it's already hard

00:20:05.040 enough to believe that all of the ballots that need to be counted were uh you know uh biden

00:20:10.740 ballots previously but at least there are only two options so you could at least build this narrative

00:20:14.720 as the democrats did that like well there's a there's the red wave that comes in first because

00:20:19.300 they vote day of and then the democrats they have the mail-in ballots and everything else and so 0.99

00:20:23.980 that'll that'll get counted over time again it was a stupid argument but at least there was 0.98

00:20:28.500 some form of like logical coherence to it this time it's like well yeah these people do kind of 0.98

00:20:35.120 vote for the same two types of people and they just happen to have all magically voted for the

00:20:40.140 one that needed to be boosted over seven days to push her above the guy we really don't want to

00:20:46.480 have in office and as you point out you know we're getting now helicopters literally helicopters full

00:20:53.840 of ballots tom helicopters full of ballots like i'm in kenya like i'm in the middle of africa and

00:21:01.160 some third world dictator is literally just flying in freshly minted ballots in the helicopters that

00:21:08.480 he bought with like cocaine money and like that's that's what's what's happening here it's

00:21:14.140 just to say it stretches the bounds of credulity would be um an understatement to be sure oh yeah

00:21:22.300 I think also what's crazy, somebody, I just saw this, uh, you know, an hour or two ago,

00:21:26.960 I think, but I think somebody had also posted like detailed results.

00:21:30.060 Nithya Raman didn't even win her own district. 0.73

00:21:32.400 You know, she's like, like, like wasn't even close in her own district.

00:21:37.120 It's like, yeah, I, I, I, no, I, I agree, man.

00:21:40.680 It's, um, look, I mean, everyone knows what's going on.

00:21:44.960 Um, they're just, they're kind of rubbing our faces in it.

00:21:47.860 And also, I'd say the Dems would always point to, and I'm old enough to remember this, maybe you probably are too, but the 2000 election in Florida, right, where it was a remarkably close election.

00:22:03.460 And to be honest, even at the time, when I was, I guess I was 20 years old then, I was shocked that Bush won, that Bush got that one.

00:22:13.600 I was really surprised that that actually happened.

00:22:15.400 I mean, maybe, I guess he did win fair and square, but you know,

00:22:18.340 he also had a pretty, uh, pretty robust machine, uh, in his favor.

00:22:22.720 But I mean, like, look, cheating elections is, I mean, I think, you know,

00:22:25.820 you've talked about it like from what the 1860s, 1870s. Yeah.

00:22:30.280 I mean, that's kind of like, it was a theme in, uh, that movie, uh,

00:22:33.640 gangs in New York, right. Where they had a, you know,

00:22:36.000 boss hog and all that. And, uh, they had the same thing.

00:22:39.160 I read the book gangs of New York, which is actually a history book,

00:22:42.560 which is really interesting. That was adapted.

00:22:44.180 phenomenal book written in like the 1920s about what America was like in the mid 19th century.

00:22:50.340 And this sort of stuff was very common in New York, at least. And, you know, the thing is,

00:22:55.820 I don't know if they need to do it in New York anymore. But, you know, look, there's real

00:22:58.560 questions around, you know, who won in 1960, Nixon or JFK. I mean, even today, there are some,

00:23:06.660 you know, not right wing historians that kind of point like, yeah, it looks like there might

00:23:12.360 have been something happening in Chicago and Illinois that squeaked it out for Kennedy

00:23:15.960 back then. So I think that's what we have here. I think the fact that it takes so long just says

00:23:21.640 a lot. You know, we're not blackpilling, but it's like, hey, I think once we do have voter

00:23:28.460 integrity, then frankly, because look, that would be a total nuke on the Democrats. And I think they

00:23:34.760 know that if they had, you know, paper ballots, day of voting, hand counted, you know, the way it

00:23:40.820 used to be, it's going to make it a whole hell of a lot harder to cheat. I mean, look, I'm also

00:23:46.180 old enough to remember that when we had democracy in Iraq, right, when we brought them freedom and 0.85

00:23:51.780 democracy, is they all had paper ballots only, right, in clear tubs, and you got to get a finger

00:23:58.920 or a thumb, yeah, maybe it was your thumb, get dodged so you couldn't do it twice, and then

00:24:03.180 they'd show, love to show their thumb or their finger, whatever it was, to show like, look,

00:24:06.900 I voted and you can't get me to, you know, and therefore you can't vote again. Like

00:24:10.080 if we could go to something resembling that, I think, look, I think the Dems know that that

00:24:17.340 would be kind of the end of a lot of their power. They would not have any sizable majority, uh, in

00:24:23.540 almost any, well, not almost anywhere, but like in a lot of places for a long time. And why wouldn't

00:24:30.600 they do everything they can? You know, I mean, it's the, it's the old day. I don't know. Maybe

00:24:35.460 It's you that said it or I know it's like Michael Malice would say it, but it's like the side that wants to play by the rules and be fair or something like that will always be the side that wants to be left alone.

00:24:47.760 Yeah, that same story. Right. I mean, same story.

00:24:50.340 And, you know, look, I'm not trying to say that all the Republicans are all cucks or anything, but some of them are.

00:24:57.940 Right. Well, there's a lot. Yeah.

00:25:00.680 i mean to be fair to some extent yeah i i think it was um i think it was my buddy kevin dole and

00:25:05.820 who said you know if you're not trying to cheat at an election then you're obviously just not

00:25:09.740 taking it seriously um which sounds like terrible to some people but is obviously true and like you

00:25:16.280 yeah so uh you know it's it's a fair to point out the historical reality that there has always been

00:25:22.440 uh you know fraud elections of course you know vote early vote often is not really a joke um

00:25:28.220 You know, that was a that was a common refrain.

00:25:30.800 So that's always been there.

00:25:32.620 Right.

00:25:33.180 The difference is, of course, now we can see it all.

00:25:35.940 We have the Internet.

00:25:37.040 We have 24 hour news.

00:25:38.760 We have this constant eye on what's going on in these areas.

00:25:42.820 It's in our face.

00:25:43.900 So we can't ignore it anymore.

00:25:45.900 The other thing is that it's very clear that it's blatant.

00:25:49.560 And this creates an interesting scenario.

00:25:51.540 You kind of pointed to Nate Silver there going, oh, I don't know how to explain this.

00:25:55.540 and so it actually creates a very interesting dynamic you have the democrats or i would say

00:26:00.780 let's say it this way you have the the the the progressives uh the and they are fine with really

00:26:09.300 rigging the election and flaunting in people's faces right like that's like they'll do the like

00:26:13.900 well what of course we're just counting every vote thing but like they clearly just want to win

00:26:18.060 they're shameless about it they don't need the they don't really they're they're so brazen about

00:26:22.440 it they don't need the illusion of the system then you have the the kind of more the you know

00:26:26.960 i wouldn't say the far right but you know kind of maybe the harder right who's like obviously this

00:26:31.660 is uh a completely destroyed system obviously this is illegitimate we have to do something radical

00:26:37.300 to to save it if it or replace it and then in you know the middle here i think both in the left and

00:26:43.900 right you have kind of the nate silvers and also like the mitch mcconnell's or whatever and they're

00:26:48.000 like we have to maintain the illusion of integrity in the system it's really important to tell people

00:26:53.880 the system is still operating you know the progressives will just be like yeah we own the

00:26:57.540 system what are you going to do about it the harder right is like well no they own the system we have

00:27:01.500 to do something about it and the comfortable center is like no we can find a way to kind of

00:27:05.640 keep the illusion going that these are legitimate elections that they confer legitimacy upon the

00:27:10.480 ruled you know the political formula is still intact and i think this is a dynamic that is

00:27:16.780 increasingly coming apart because that center just can't hold like you can't there's only so

00:27:21.340 many times we can do this there's only so many times people can watch you know voting drag on

00:27:26.000 for days or weeks or months uh you know have entire elections decided by supreme courts uh

00:27:31.480 always have the exact you know trend in results when it comes to these inconsistent electronic

00:27:36.560 results mail-in ballots ballot harvesting all these things at some point it becomes very difficult for

00:27:41.800 the people who are supposed to kind of peddle the legitimacy of the system to keep up with it and

00:27:46.800 you've kind of alluded that a couple times here of like well don't black pill but i'm not sure what

00:27:50.440 we're going to do here but that does create this question because as you noted we have something

00:27:55.280 like the save act and the save act while imperfect goes a long way to creating election integrity

00:28:01.420 fixing many of these problems you know one of the reasons that florida has been pushing to the right

00:28:07.560 is not just the number of people

00:28:08.820 who moved in during COVID,

00:28:10.340 but Governor DeSantis took the time

00:28:12.500 to clean up the voter rolls,

00:28:13.920 to make sure that the elections in Florida

00:28:17.720 were fair and legitimate and clean,

00:28:20.940 and that radically changed the voting dynamic

00:28:23.480 inside the state.

00:28:25.060 So if we can get something like that nationwide,

00:28:27.420 we can have a huge impact on how these things run,

00:28:30.100 because I really believe that closed borders

00:28:32.360 and honest elections

00:28:33.360 are the end of the Democratic Party.

00:28:35.320 Like, I really think that the vast majority

00:28:36.840 of the left's power disappears and i think they know that which is why they're fighting tooth and

00:28:40.640 nail against this but if you're a republican even if you're a corrupt republican isn't it

00:28:47.520 beneficial to have elections that are in your favor like how do we explain this behavior

00:28:53.860 where republican senators who would only benefit from this form of election existing

00:29:00.600 fighting against it like that's what i think drives people insane the logical self-interest

00:29:05.600 Like, I don't even need them to be noble. I don't need them to be honorable. I don't need them to be selfless. I need them to be self-interested. And the self-interest doesn't seem to compel them to do the thing that would win them elections. And that's when people start asking questions like, yeah, do we actually have a democracy or a representative republic or anything like this in any way, shape, or form?

00:29:25.400 Yeah, no. Well, one thing that's interesting is, you know, I'm pretty sure that the four Republican senators who are voting against SAVE Act were either retiring or very safe where they are.

00:29:37.260 And I mean, like, look at Murkowski. And if memory serves, I think Alaska does rank choice voting, which brings a whole host of other problems, too.

00:29:43.960 Like, rank choice voting is not good.

00:29:46.180 My wife, who's a mathematician and research assistant for an economist originally by trade, she's doing this whole analysis on this stuff right now.

00:29:56.360 Like, no, rank choice voting is very, very bad, but it favors Murkowski in her case.

00:30:01.280 The other ones are all retiring soon, so they don't care.

00:30:03.420 They're happy to stick it to Trump.

00:30:05.480 and also I think just the you know the beautiful loser mentality of a lot of Republicans like

00:30:11.780 their mode of being is we got to fight the we got to fight the radical left and like that's how they

00:30:17.400 raise money because they don't know how to actually they know how to fundraise they know

00:30:21.040 how to run but they're not very good at actually actually winning when you win you actually can't

00:30:25.360 you're the dog that catches the car you actually know how to actually govern but I'll say this

00:30:30.300 much is like, hey, okay, maybe I'm, I look, I always maintain a positive mental attitude. You

00:30:35.800 have to, right? And that is like, this might be enough where enough people in the country have

00:30:42.260 realized, holy crap, this is obviously BS. And maybe it is time that we actually do something. 0.91

00:30:49.960 You know, I wish if the Save America Act had gone up for a vote, like maybe that would have

00:30:54.140 changed things, but it's probably pissed off a lot of voters right now. And I do believe that

00:30:59.640 eventually voter integrity will come here especially and like frankly it's one of those

00:31:04.520 things where like sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better and i i think

00:31:09.780 that i think that very well might happen so maybe in the long term it it might be something that

00:31:17.020 actually got us to where we need to be so that enough americans realizes enough legislators

00:31:21.700 realize this that okay hey look this has to pass absolutely no matter what my only criticism of the

00:31:28.200 save america act and not that i disagree with the contents of it was they lumped in they had

00:31:33.400 voter integrity and they lumped in a bunch of the trans kids and sports and all that stuff

00:31:36.620 which i'm like fully agree with a hundred percent but i felt that that should have been

00:31:41.780 a separate piece of legislation they could they could have been like just simply have a voter

00:31:46.020 just keep it clean right on that one because look for at least some people the trans stuff

00:31:52.880 even some who are you know notionally on you know can you know i guess the conservative types or

00:31:59.060 whatever they still don't like it because it sounds mean i guess i don't know even though it's

00:32:03.800 like quite literally evil um i i felt that it might have had some better success it was strictly

00:32:09.440 on a voter voter issue but maybe perhaps when we see what happens in los angeles and further

00:32:14.080 when we see what happens with california you know we'll see what happens there because as much as i

00:32:21.260 I love Steve Hilton. I've met him a couple of times. Great guy. I mostly loved him because he

00:32:27.020 was really sweet to my mom. And they taught him, they chatted for like an hour. And so I'm like,

00:32:31.100 oh, he's a good guy. He's a real person. And I think what he's doing is great. Even if he is

00:32:36.520 an immigrant, that's fine. He's the immigrant we kind of like. And, you know, because he actually

00:32:41.400 came out here and like was productive and built something and did something great. So if the same

00:32:47.360 thing happens to hilton and the gubernatorial run that might really say something as well so i think

00:32:52.120 between these two is like hey this might be the silver lining and uh to get people to uh you know

00:32:58.140 wake up america as alex would say yes um so i'm glad you were the optimist um i'll i'll do my i'll

00:33:07.220 do my job being the doomer now um but you know i look i i'm the theory guy you're you're the you're

00:33:13.240 more of the practical guy you're you're in the guts of the thing i'm a little more you know

00:33:17.400 trying to trying to understand it at 5 000 feet and for me the problem is one of political formulas

00:33:24.040 you know gatano mosca had this idea that you need a political formula that legitimates the rule of

00:33:29.820 uh you know the elites and it's not enough just for the people to believe it the elites actually

00:33:35.160 need to believe it too like it's not just plato's noble lie like you actually need this kind of

00:33:39.920 general understanding as to why the people who are in charge are in charge and once you lose

00:33:45.040 that like shared understanding once the elites don't believe it and they're just trying to force

00:33:49.460 it on the masses or the masses uh you know stop believing it and it's the only the elites that

00:33:53.700 perpetuate it you break that legitimacy and then it's just raw power holding the country together

00:33:58.560 right and that can work for a while like we know plenty of you know dictators but it's always an

00:34:03.960 unstable position right it's always one that's precarious for the country to be in and will

00:34:08.440 usually start breaking in one way or the other. And when I look at what the left is willing to do

00:34:13.580 to our political formula in this country, I just don't understand how it can continue to hold.

00:34:18.720 I don't think that people are going to wake up. I don't see any evidence of that. If we've been

00:34:22.560 through the 2020 election and that has not opened your eyes to how bad things are, no one has paid

00:34:30.940 a price for the 2020 election. I don't see them paying a price for the 2026 mayoral election in

00:34:37.100 la either you know that's just i don't want to be cynical but that that is just the you know

00:34:42.020 unfiltered reality of my observations and so when you arrive at that point and this is what i've been

00:34:47.140 trying to prepare people for uh in a way that i hope is uh gentle uh but is necessary the options

00:34:54.980 after your political formula for democracy breaks down are few right like when you're in a scenario

00:35:01.580 where you can't vote yourself out of communism as i think jesse accurately said uh you know

00:35:07.960 i was just on jesse kelly's show actually right before this one uh but but if you can't vote

00:35:13.060 yourself out of communism there are only two other options you've got a like a a franco option

00:35:18.580 right and then you have a what came before franco option uh and and those are really the only two

00:35:25.100 options and sometimes the two are you know not separated from each other uh but really like

00:35:30.620 either there's a civil war or there's an authoritarian strongman who comes in and says

00:35:35.320 we're doing things this way now because at least they're orderly and we can get things back on

00:35:39.640 track because if you can't vote your way out of it then you know voting harder doesn't solve the

00:35:46.000 problem we run very quickly out of other you know means on which to alter our scenario and so i guess

00:35:52.140 you know the question becomes i feel like the save act is one of those last stop signs you know like

00:35:59.420 before you get on alligator alley in florida and you're gonna have to drive through the middle of

00:36:03.940 the swamp you know go in a hundred miles with no gas there's that last sign that says this is it

00:36:09.880 get your gas now or you could just be stranded with the alligators in the middle of the highway

00:36:14.240 and i feel like that was the last one like that the save act was the sign that said this is it

00:36:18.760 guys like secure the election now if you don't secure this election now the next democrat who

00:36:23.900 comes in borders are open 20 million immigrants 30 million immigrants 14th amendment doesn't get

00:36:30.560 fixed because the supreme court is still holding on to this ridiculous notion of birthright

00:36:33.740 citizenship and that is the end of legitimate elections in the united states that's it and so

00:36:38.860 i am very concerned that we are we just blew past the last sign and we're all trying to figure out

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00:37:18.360 Yeah.

00:37:19.220 You know, I think somebody wrote about it in a book I got up here on my shelf.

00:37:23.980 Right?

00:37:24.520 I think you talked about this, right?

00:37:26.560 Yeah.

00:37:27.020 A smart man may have written a book about this once or twice.

00:37:29.900 Yeah.

00:37:30.160 It's right next to my Catechism of the Catholic Church and my Naval Watch Officer's Guide.

00:37:35.360 And what else?

00:37:36.840 I've got a couple other good ones up there.

00:37:38.540 But, yeah.

00:37:39.620 Locking Company.

00:37:40.220 Locking Company.

00:37:41.620 Yeah.

00:37:41.980 And so, um, look, uh, yeah, we might have, we might have, but I still, I don't think it's,

00:37:48.540 I don't think it's totally lost on everyone yet. Um, I think there are still opportunities. I

00:37:53.600 don't think it is the last stop sign. However, I would say that like, I don't think that anyone

00:37:58.500 in this country, and I mean this for better or worse, like has the appetite for any sort of like

00:38:04.320 a, like a civil war or anything. Um, I would counter, you know, because nobody really has

00:38:10.440 the there are some people out there who think they're really ready to fight like fight like

00:38:14.720 you know the the gun you know the the gun geeks like me and the two-way guys get real excited

00:38:20.200 but I mean to me I just don't think that's in the cards uh you know we're gonna talk about some

00:38:24.720 other you know thinkers who are you know uh think a little bit outside the box I'd say you look at

00:38:29.560 your you know what Yarvin would say right what Uncle Yarvin would say Curtis would say well he

00:38:33.220 just says we're so we're so feminized and without virtue that we would never have a civil war which

00:38:39.000 a lot of people think is like a weird thing they think like a civil war is a evidence of a lack of

00:38:44.000 virtue um but i think right narvin is right i think that the i think the americans of the 1775

00:38:50.540 were just far better people and that's why they were willing to fight for rights that we just

00:38:54.440 can't yeah be bothered to yeah get it up for i i think once you start seeing people who are like

00:38:59.680 losing i mean there's people who could live in like working lower middle class and paying high

00:39:04.640 taxes i mean look it's happening it's been happening in europe for a very long time right

00:39:08.720 Where they've got a very low standard of living and they pay crazy taxes, they work their ass off, but they're still middle class, right?

00:39:14.900 And, you know, like, Jarvan would talk about the Brasilification of America, which, you know, is not great.

00:39:21.740 You know, it's like, to those who aren't familiar, it's not necessarily an ethnic thing per se, but it's more like if you look at Brazil, it's a real country.

00:39:31.560 It has actual industries and it had more than just tourism, right?

00:39:35.860 That is actual industries.

00:39:37.100 it has a government you know i mean it works for the most part but and it's very big but it's got

00:39:45.260 a real economy and all that stuff but what what you see though is that you know i met a lot of

00:39:49.500 brazilians uh as well who are lovely people but the ones that i really ever interact with are here

00:39:54.940 in the states and these are people who are well off um they were usually educated a lot more

00:40:00.780 educated in europe or the united states they've got a lot of money they might come for money

00:40:05.180 and they live in gated communities or high-rise apartment buildings with armed guards everywhere

00:40:10.700 and and there's nothing against them they're perfectly nice people and then you've got this

00:40:14.940 tiny little you know scrappy middle class that's trying to you know to get be a part of that someone

00:40:20.620 get it and you got that tiny middle class and then you've got the unwashed masses of people 0.97

00:40:25.900 living in very third world conditions living in favelas and and all of that and um you know that

00:40:33.340 is what unfortunately could be. It could be a very slow process that America could become. 0.77

00:40:39.180 Frankly, America could end up looking. And what I described to you really was a lot like New York

00:40:43.140 or Los Angeles today, right? Where, for example, you fly into LAX, right? And there's one thing

00:40:49.580 you notice here. So if you are a, like I fly in United a lot, right? United has their global

00:40:55.460 services check-in. They have their own reception of your global services, which means that you are

00:40:59.460 a very, very frequent flyer. You spend multiple six figures a year on that airline, right? Where

00:41:06.280 it's like, you're at the point where you might be close to flying private, right? Where you come in,

00:41:10.520 you get your own, you've got your own special TSA. You don't have to deal with the, you know,

00:41:14.520 with the plebs at all. You go through all that. They give nice, would you like a drink? Have 1.00

00:41:18.680 this. Oh, here we have your own little TSA guy. Oh yeah, everything's fine. Right? They do that.

00:41:22.480 When you land at LAX, if you need to take an Uber home, you have to walk a half a mile

00:41:28.080 to the uber pickup and sit in line and fight and elbow with people for it unless you want to spend

00:41:34.060 two and a half three times as much for an uber black which costs like to get me back home to

00:41:39.420 orange county is like 250 bucks if you pay for that they'll come pick you up at the curb and

00:41:44.600 it's like you've got some very well-off people in some very nice communities that are very safe and

00:41:48.940 they're you know there's nothing against them they're not necessarily bad people and then you've

00:41:52.600 got that middle class struggling to get by or but most of them move out of town or they move out of

00:41:57.400 the state and then you've got the unwashed masses same thing with like manhattan new york city the

00:42:03.040 only way you can live there is if you are very wealthy or very poor it's very hard to live there

00:42:08.260 on 150k a year let's just say right like to raise a family on yeah this is a phenomenon that i was

00:42:16.080 unfamiliar with on a like i understood it theoretically but i was unfamiliar with it

00:42:21.160 personally having been mostly a ruralite or a suburbanite yeah and then when i started doing

00:42:26.200 this job and you know moving in some of the circles i've moved in it's like oh no you can 0.71

00:42:30.320 see how like people live a nice life in deteriorated countries because you've stratified society so

00:42:37.400 radically that there are pockets it's like a green zone you like there are pockets uh you know where

00:42:42.100 you have a burger king a nice restaurant you know and then like outside of the wire it's insane and

00:42:47.600 it's kind of the same thing where you have the scenario where there's good schools and there's

00:42:51.820 good uh you know restaurants and there's safe neighborhoods uh and there's armed guards

00:42:56.540 everywhere and very few people can get in and maintain that lifestyle but if you're one of

00:43:00.480 those people then you're not bothered by kind of the third world conditions outside of you and so

00:43:05.540 i unfortunately i do think that is a very realistic understanding of where we're going

00:43:10.300 there's just a lot of ruin in a nation and so you could very much see the quality of living decline

00:43:16.500 for most americans and by the way the best way to alleviate the pressure of declining uh quality 1.00

00:43:22.440 of life is to import a bunch of third world immigrants who don't mind the declining wallet 1.00

00:43:26.260 quality of life because it's still better than wherever they came from a bad neighborhood in 1.00

00:43:31.060 the united states is still a better neighborhood than most of the neighborhoods in wherever

00:43:35.260 country they came from and so they don't complain when they get here because whatever they don't

00:43:39.800 know the difference it doesn't matter to them uh so i do think that your prediction there is

00:43:44.040 entirely possible it's just you know obviously something i'm desperately trying to avoid i do

00:43:49.000 think i do think yarvin underestimates the likelihood of possible conflict though i do

00:43:54.480 think that it is far more likely that we will see uh more of a strongman balkanization uh than we

00:44:00.160 will see a um a a general decline though i've made that case in the very book that you were waving

00:44:05.620 around so i'll leave people with that rather than restating it and that comes to whatever i mean

00:44:09.960 that's what mike anton and curtis would debate all the time are we gonna have a red caesar or

00:44:13.800 a blue caesar right like what kind of you know what kind of caesar are we gonna get um and like

00:44:20.240 hey it you know it could just easily be a blue caesar too so we don't know you know as far as

00:44:25.060 the strongman goes and look and i'm speaking as one of those guys who you know i live fairly

00:44:30.100 comfortably right now right where like i lived in newport beach and you know i remember one time i

00:44:34.580 was like driving down pacific coast highway and i was friends with the lady who's our city council

00:44:38.800 woman for our little ward a little district and she's calling me talking about something else and

00:44:42.700 i was in the car driving on pch i go hey i just uh i just saw a homeless guy on pch and she goes

00:44:50.360 i'm like don't worry i'm sure he'll be gone by lunch and and she's like oh don't worry we'll

00:44:55.760 make sure he's gone they we always do and i don't know i guess i don't know what they send him up

00:44:59.420 to westminster garden grove or somewhere else further north like the rough parts of orange

00:45:03.940 county i said hey it's all right i'm just kind of playing uh you know it's way better than la

00:45:08.260 and she's like not good enough it's not good enough so like they think like that and even

00:45:12.160 today i live in outside of dc i live 20 minutes from the city i live in mclean virginia home of

00:45:18.000 the cia and you know i like everyone in my community lives in nice little houses and

00:45:22.960 everyone's really quiet because they're all spooks or spook adjacent right and uh you know it's it's

00:45:28.400 everyone keeps up but it's it's a safe place here and like i'm not really i don't really have to

00:45:33.360 deal with many of those issues but i do care because i've got friends who do and it's just

00:45:38.160 what's right for the country i mean you know i'm not trying to say look at me i'm so you know

00:45:42.840 altruistic or anything but i mean it's it's it's not gonna hold just because you know i like

00:45:47.820 stability in my country and you can't keep we can't keep going down this road sadly i think

00:45:52.300 we could go for several more decades this way yeah i think you're right about that well before

00:45:57.660 we uh leave i want to make sure we hit a little bit of what's going on with iran i don't like

00:46:02.880 doing this day-to-day because honestly it's a we're gonna have a peace deal it's a new strike

00:46:07.540 every 24 hours like the cycle is just continuous that said i think you know

00:46:12.420 people like to draw as if there are only two camps in this thing

00:46:17.560 the like anti-trump people and then the the pro-trump people and i have been trying to carve

00:46:24.660 out a very serious third camp which is i am pro-trump i support what the trump administration

00:46:29.680 has been doing i voted for this guy like i have been a supporter the entire time but the war in

00:46:34.760 iran is bad it's been bad from the beginning it was a mistake from the beginning and it is not

00:46:38.780 playing well and it's going to ruin the midterms and we have more important domestic priorities 0.95

00:46:43.360 it's not that iran with a bomb isn't a problem it's just that my greatest enemies right now

00:46:48.200 are inside america's borders and not outside of it and once we fix that problem i'm fine to address

00:46:53.280 the things outside of it so that said every every time trump gets closer to peace deal i've noticed

00:46:59.240 the other two sides, the anti-Trump and the pro-Trump guys, both say, no, he's not. He's

00:47:04.800 not near a peace deal because the really, really hardline Israel first guys don't want a peace

00:47:09.780 deal. And the anti-Trump guys need Trump to be entirely controlled by Israel. They can't have

00:47:14.920 him having any kind of actual different opinion than Bibi Netanyahu because then their narrative

00:47:19.320 falls apart. My point has been, no, I don't think Trump is entirely owned by Israel, but I do think

00:47:24.380 he got bad information or influence here. And this has put him in a bad political position.

00:47:28.400 And for the last few weeks, it's been very clear to me that Trump realizes that the man has been desperately like if he wanted to blow up the peace deal, he could have at any moment. Right. He's had thorough justification. Iran has broken the ceasefire a thousand times at this point.

00:47:41.600 So to me, the only reason to maintain the current situation is if you are genuinely trying to end the conflict as we see it now. So I tend to believe that when there's actual conflict between Trump and Netanyahu, that's real and not some stage thing so that Israel can sneak in a few more whatever.

00:47:58.400 And so very interestingly, Trump has been bumping more and more up against Netanyahu in this process. He apparently cursed him out on the phone. Axios reported this. Everyone said, oh, it's a lie. This is a bunch of junk. Trump would never talk to Netanyahu that way. Again, the pro-Israel guy said that because they don't want him to have. And the anti-Trump guy said that because that would blow up their narrative about Trump being his own man.

00:48:20.220 And so, but I was like, no, I'm pretty sure this happened. Then Trump came out and confirmed. Yes, I did. I did curse out Netanyahu on the phone. And in the last 24 hours, Trump has said, this deal is getting done. It's going to happen. I'm going to make it happen. I've gotten both sides to agree to stop fighting. Israel is going to stop attacking Lebanon. Iran is going to stop attacking Israel. The end.

00:48:42.680 and then netanyahu immediately turns around it's like no we're bombing as much of lebanon as we

00:48:48.180 can which is like the 19th time that bb netanyahu has directly defied trump when it comes to

00:48:54.840 military strikes and so tom my question to you here is not should we be in iran or not like

00:49:00.940 right i think that i think even trump kind of has figured that one out my question is

00:49:05.320 is there a way for trump to extract himself from the scenario with netanyahu's current stance

00:49:12.700 Is there a way forward for Trump to do what he says he wants to do?

00:49:15.960 And I believe he wants to do it is get home and focus back on domestic issues.

00:49:19.860 Can he do that with Israel behaving in the manner that it is currently? 0.81

00:49:24.400 Yeah, I think he can.

00:49:25.360 I think you could very well see President Trump looking for other levers he can pull with Israel, as in, you know, there are things that we can do. 0.90

00:49:36.640 We can deny them things, right? 0.84

00:49:39.060 They want to if we wanted to and we can make their life more difficult. 0.62

00:49:42.520 So I suspect that if Israel keeps up this this stuff with like, you know, souring the deal, you know, even though I guess, you know, look, Israel is acting in this their best national interest. 0.53

00:49:53.720 And they're saying like, hey, we got to hit. Sure, sure. I get it. But look, we need to get this deal done. And we are playing, you know, we're playing big boy regional geopolitics. Right.

00:50:04.340 And so I think that we're going to have to get Israel to back off.

00:50:08.820 And I think there are certain levers that President Trump can pull, you know, or I'm 0.55

00:50:12.400 sure they're being discussed options at the table that can get them to do it.

00:50:16.200 And then they will.

00:50:17.100 And look, I think we will have a deal.

00:50:19.140 I think, yes, you're right.

00:50:20.960 The President Trump genuinely and sincerely wants a deal, not just for political reasons,

00:50:26.880 but just for, you know, all the right reasons.

00:50:28.860 And even and everyone throws a big fit because they're saying, oh, we're going to give them

00:50:32.380 $24 billion.

00:50:33.180 dollars. It's not coming from taxpayers. It's money that, you know, Iran earned mostly, I think

00:50:38.160 it tied up in Korean banks that in elsewhere, maybe China and Japan, not sure, but I think

00:50:43.540 mostly in Asia that would be unfrozen. So they get that. Okay, that's fine. And what they do

00:50:48.900 that we don't know, but I think we actually do get a deal that would be really good. Maybe that

00:50:53.240 means we need to off a few more of their leaders until say, okay, who else wants to do this,

00:50:58.080 right? Who else thinks they want to, you know, keep defying us, right? Because some of these

00:51:03.120 folks uh you know i i think that if you keep in mind that we we killed we and israel um killed 0.88

00:51:10.020 the entire upper echelon of their military and and the whole government right so as some of these

00:51:15.920 more middle guys uh get into their more senior positions i think they value their jobs they

00:51:20.820 might like their new job they also value their lives yeah so yeah yeah i think they do and uh

00:51:28.060 Look, I think because every once in a while, when you start seeing personal consequences

00:51:33.900 coming to leaders, all of a sudden people will start changing their tune.

00:51:37.840 So I think that's what we might see happening soon.

00:51:41.080 I agree that like, look, we've got some time.

00:51:45.100 We don't have a ton of time to get a deal done that's verifiable.

00:51:48.540 One thing that's interesting to bring up is, I think we brought this up before we went

00:51:50.920 on the air, is that it was leaked, I think strategically, that President Trump decided

00:51:58.040 to veto a plan or say no to a plan to literally a military operation to go into iran and like

00:52:06.160 excavate and like go get that uranium so just take it away take their biggest bargaining chip off the

00:52:11.980 table now the thing is is like i'm actually kind of surprised because that that it was brought up

00:52:16.640 because that is not a new idea that is something that like parts you know i was in the military

00:52:22.340 for a long time worked counter wmd and nuclear weapons stuff spent a lot i spent a lot of time

00:52:27.880 at Los Alamos working counter WMD. I had a Q clearance and all that cool stuff. And like

00:52:33.240 there were plans and have been plans for a long time of what we would have to do if under a

00:52:38.640 semi-permissive, non-permissive or hostile environment to go into Iranian or North Korean

00:52:46.240 nuclear facilities. And it wouldn't be easy, but yeah, we might've done it. It would've been a

00:52:53.840 very bold move it still might happen i wouldn't say it happened so and the reason why i think

00:52:58.480 that there's probably already assets in place in the region waiting for the call to do this or you

00:53:03.300 know maybe not in the region but probably somewhere in north carolina that are in the region to do

00:53:07.660 that right now um is because you remember when that f-15 when dude 44 got shot down uh and got

00:53:13.720 rescued a very very large footprint showed up very near a nuclear facility in record time so that

00:53:21.920 kind of tells me that oh there might have been a special operations task force that was already in

00:53:26.480 theater getting ready that they might get the call now what did we learn from that though that

00:53:31.200 the runway was too uh soft for our planes to stay this way to destroy them so that might change 0.97

00:53:37.360 something but i wouldn't be surprised well i'd be a little surprised but like whoa holy shit we're 0.83

00:53:41.740 doing it i would be a little surprised yeah i'd be a little surprised but not shocked

00:53:46.220 i think a lot of people speculated that that was the that was the possible nature of that

00:53:52.580 operation if it if it wasn't a test run it was the very least the deployment of people who are

00:53:57.440 already a physician for for a mission like that a number of people uh daryl cooper cooper included

00:54:02.560 have speculated that that was the case yeah and and so i think that's entirely possible i i do

00:54:08.980 i do think you have the problem is and i do not say this in any way shape or form is an insult

00:54:17.140 to you please understand this like uh very very much very much value your your capabilities and

00:54:21.980 training but i do think there is a little bit of hammer and nail situation here uh where it's like

00:54:26.920 the focus is more on the effectiveness and ability of the operation i have zero doubt in the ability

00:54:33.100 of you and many other military veterans and and current service members to do exactly what needs

00:54:38.260 to get done that is in no way like uh like i've i've you know had too many friends or family in

00:54:43.400 military and in in high-speed operations to believe anything else amazing people can absolutely pull 0.81

00:54:48.100 this stuff off my concern is even if you got the nukes tomorrow that's not what israel cares about 0.88

00:54:53.060 they'd still be firing missiles into lebanon right like and so that's my concern is even if

00:54:58.460 the united states was successful in grand missions i don't know that that actually ends the conflict

00:55:03.780 in the way that we'd hope and so i guess to maybe tack on a little bit here at the end there have

00:55:10.700 been two stories circulating and i just want to get your quick you know ideas on this because i

00:55:15.800 don't know it's so confusing it's hard to to get a grasp on it so the first one has been that there

00:55:21.420 have been rumors white house has now denied this but there have been rumors uh that there has been

00:55:26.380 increased concerns about israeli spying inside the united states military pentagon political system

00:55:33.060 uh that's that's one thing that's been speculated the other thing that people have been pointing

00:55:37.460 i'm sorry not surprised no no i mean they're we literally have jonathan pollard for a reason like

00:55:43.480 yeah this is exactly what what unfortunately you would expect the other thing that has been

00:55:47.560 happening simultaneously is people have been uh saying that there is a part of one of the bills

00:55:54.260 that has been tacked on for force integration with israeli technology in the military that would

00:56:00.980 make us more dependent on Israel when it comes to certain aspects of our military readiness.

00:56:06.520 And both of these issues concern me because I keep telling everybody this is not a good ally. 0.89

00:56:12.560 And I think it's very clear that this is a very dangerous ally to be shackled to.

00:56:17.100 And so increasing not just our outward military operation, but our constant internal reliance

00:56:24.240 on possible more uh israeli intelligence more israeli technology makes more and more of the

00:56:31.300 case that i keep hearing that we should be hearing less than less of which is well we can't stop being

00:56:35.420 allies with israel because we need this or that from them i would like to just not need those

00:56:39.800 things from them i feel like we could just pay our intelligence service to do the job i think we

00:56:44.120 could just develop technology we're actually really good at that and so i don't understand

00:56:49.280 why we would be moving closer to that so i don't know neither of those are particularly questions

00:56:54.540 but just perhaps your thoughts on both of those before we well i mean obviously i i don't think

00:57:01.220 this is this is no big secret that uh you know israel loves to spy on us to keep tabs on us

00:57:06.860 and you know them i'd say that that probably you know they have an exceptionally asymmetric 0.50

00:57:13.760 outsized intelligence capability both on the human side and on the on the tech side right

00:57:19.400 uh but for the record i mean so do the british and the french they're really good too really

00:57:23.880 good yep um but uh so that's no surprise there that that you know we've got our guys either

00:57:29.020 wittingly or unwittingly who are spying for the israelis you know um but that doesn't surprise

00:57:35.280 me uh i think it's an expectation uh as far as like using israeli tech is i think it's funny i

00:57:42.020 mentioned this last time i was on here my first job outside of the military was actually working

00:57:45.960 for a uh israel well it was an israeli based company that sold israeli military tech to the

00:57:53.460 united states and they like to say that they and it was funny right as soon as i started talking

00:57:57.300 about that my internet cut out and it was like the elders don't like what they're hearing they

00:58:03.400 shut it down shut it down and so then uh but what the thing is it's like there is a ton and i didn't

00:58:09.900 even know this that there's a ton of Israeli tech that we use all the time we didn't even know it

00:58:15.700 I didn't know it like a lot of stuff that basically it's Israeli tech because they got to maintain

00:58:19.360 their R&D since they're a pretty small country that I got to export it and they white label it

00:58:24.980 here in the states that's the company I work for that white labels and sells it there's a ton of 0.98

00:58:28.020 stuff that I use in the military I'm like that's Israeli I had no idea right and so they're right

00:58:34.160 now granted this wasn't necessarily like a highly sophisticated technical intelligence stuff

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00:59:06.720 when you travel travel well um but i mean look we do work with our partners if they've got the 1.00

00:59:13.080 best stuff we should probably use it i think you know getting some sort of a uh divorce from israel

00:59:20.120 so to speak i just don't think that's really in the cards um for what it's worth i do believe

00:59:26.360 the israelis want to see us to be strong and powerful because we back them up because if we're

00:59:31.480 strong and powerful then that and then we would you know ostensibly be supportive of israel

00:59:36.660 that helps them. Us being successful overseas can generally translate to them being successful

00:59:41.800 overseas, generally speaking. So, I mean, look, it's one of those things where it's a trust but

00:59:47.980 verify kind of thing. And I don't know what we're talking about, what kind of networks we're talking

00:59:54.580 about. I probably have some sort of spyware. I mean, I don't know. I use the Waze navigation

00:59:58.260 app. Right? You guys use Waze? That's Israeli, guys. That was an Israeli app. Hundreds of guys

01:00:05.460 watching this are just like you know deleting ways and going to google now but you know i mean

01:00:09.940 uh look they are an exceptionally tech savvy people exceptionally and uh you know i i think

01:00:17.680 that it's okay for us to have guardrails on what we share but i don't know if it's always the best

01:00:22.340 idea to just say like hey if this is high quality stuff that we should be using they want to sell

01:00:26.740 it to us okay but obviously there should be guardrails i know that i'm now being called a

01:00:31.340 cut for for israel or something or whatever i i don't know man i i entirely understand the argument

01:00:37.440 it's just for me personally like yeah my two guide posts to this are george washington and

01:00:42.700 machiavelli george washington says don't have these alliances don't be entangled don't be

01:00:47.860 dependent on these people because especially as a republic it will introduce he says this directly

01:00:52.040 it's literally in his farewell oh yeah it will introduce foreign influence into the country

01:00:56.380 it will destroy your your republic and people will fight over who truly supports the you know

01:01:01.860 the greatest ally uh and and they'll call people traitors even though they're patriots to the

01:01:06.280 united states for pointing that out and then machiavelli says never win under someone else's

01:01:11.220 arms never be relying on mercenaries never be relying on someone else's and you can just

01:01:16.020 extrapolate this to arms technology anything like anytime you're relying on someone else's

01:01:20.920 uh you know intelligence someone else's technology you are losing sovereignty and they will betray

01:01:26.820 you at the end like this is just my this is the the entire theme of the prince like if you just

01:01:30.560 if you're trying to bring the prince down into you know into one thesis statement you know that's it

01:01:35.580 and so that that's my concern and only because i have also seen these dynamics play out over and

01:01:41.300 over again in american politics we saw it as well we say we saw it as well with the british

01:01:46.720 right oh yeah this is not like yeah i want to be really clear this is not israel specific i have

01:01:54.360 called out ukrainian influence chinese influence uh you know british influence i mean the labor

01:01:59.840 party was literally singing sending people over to influence the election in favor of joe biden

01:02:05.440 during the 2020 election or the the 2024 election like i don't want any of this i don't want any

01:02:12.380 the greatest allies i don't want any favored nations like this is dangerous it's not like

01:02:17.140 israel is some specific danger in this area it's just one of many countries we should not be lashed

01:02:24.120 to that's all i'm saying it's there's no particularly nefarious angle it's just right

01:02:29.320 all foreign influence out the door yeah i mean churchill was you know over the moon after pearl

01:02:34.320 harbor because you know it's like all right the americans are in now you know i think he wrote

01:02:38.900 he wrote about it i think he's i think he wrote in his diary like he just had the best sleep of

01:02:43.520 his of his life that night after he found out about pearl harbor and he's like we're gonna win

01:02:48.220 now that's it because because we he spent years and you know he spent years pressuring you know

01:02:53.740 uh pressuring uh fdr to get involved and you know he got his wish that is it there's a little bit of

01:03:00.280 a celebration parallax moment if if uh pat buchanan or daryl cooper say that they're they're

01:03:05.500 pro-nazi uh if oh i know if churchill says that he's he's a he's a hero uh but yeah no i think

01:03:12.320 you're right and again i don't i don't hold it against any other nation for having their

01:03:17.860 priorities first i just wish we were doing the same that's all like i all the the most i want

01:03:24.780 for the people of the united states is to have the same level of social cohesion and personal

01:03:31.540 identity and native priority as israel does like that's it like that that's what i want that you

01:03:38.400 know more than anything it's not it's not a it's not an animosity towards israel it's a man i wish

01:03:43.280 we were allowed to treat our country the same way they treat theirs that sure would be nice i wish

01:03:48.500 my politicians weren't actively pushing against us you know treating our own national priorities

01:03:54.900 with the same level of uh of uh vigor that said uh tom it's been fantastic speaking with you we

01:04:00.640 have a few questions from the audience but before we go to those where can people find you uh yeah

01:04:06.820 i'm best you can find me on x uh at thomas b sour t-h-o-m-a-s b as in boy s-a-u-e-r that's the best

01:04:16.100 way to get a hold of me excellent all right guys let's check out the questions manny you says

01:04:21.280 democracy is the worship of jackasses by jackasses ml menken uh you know uh it's not wrong um i do 0.53

01:04:29.760 have thoughts about uh actual representative republics and what they should look like uh but 0.86

01:04:34.040 i've done videos on that so i'm not gonna get into that difference today but yeah he he also

01:04:40.000 says it doesn't matter how many people vote only who counts the votes joseph stalin and yeah i

01:04:45.500 think this is a this is a reality a harsh reality that uh as you say more people are waking up to

01:04:50.980 i hope it has the backlash that you're you're pushing for but i do think more and more people

01:04:54.980 are recognizing that's the case if you even if you look at the current uh if you look at gen z

01:04:59.100 when it comes to democracy uh they're not so big on it actually no no they're not it makes sense

01:05:04.680 makes a lot of sense so well you know i've already talked about singapore so oh yeah no

01:05:10.820 singapore is the best man i mean but also you know it's everyone's seen the video from years

01:05:15.020 and years ago where it's like you know with that indian guy who was saying something like you know 0.97

01:05:19.340 democracy of the people by the people for the people but the people are retarded yeah and you 0.97

01:05:24.700 know i mean and the thing is when we keep in you know we keep importing voters you know who are 1.00

01:05:31.000 you know they're always going to vote for the one who's going to give them something with the gibbs

01:05:34.660 you know what are you going to get that's it uh mp real says uh is this what gavin newsom meant by

01:05:43.200 break the glass scenario good question yeah i didn't mention that gavin newsom had this

01:05:47.620 allusion to a break the glass scenario should things go against the democrats are we watching

01:05:53.280 it play out here did he did he literally just call the shot and then do it and expect no

01:05:59.220 retaliation because that seems kind of wild right well maybe i think like also like in my mind though

01:06:05.000 because this is so blatant i don't know man like i'm just trying to think put myself in the enemy

01:06:09.880 shoes and and i would think that the time to do that would have been pratt versus bass i think

01:06:16.700 the time would have been to do that because this time it seems i don't know it might have just been

01:06:20.440 a tactical error on their part but yeah um i i think yeah i because this was just way too obvious

01:06:26.660 and you know especially the third place far third place coming up like that like what we said

01:06:31.480 earlier if it was just one-on-one um it probably would have looked a little i mean it was still

01:06:37.200 would look fake but it probably would have looked a little bit more believable so yeah i mean i

01:06:41.980 don't know maybe but also even you know i i read that i i watched the video and heard what he said

01:06:47.380 and it's like oh he was winking at us he was winking at everybody but it's not enough to

01:06:53.240 you know it's not like you can go ahead and indict him now yeah it's not a smoking gun

01:06:56.980 unfortunately no unfortunately chair coke nixon says mail-in ballots lean d well that is the

01:07:04.220 justification for mail-in ballots received before the election vastly favoring karen bass

01:07:08.560 and the ones received after the election favoring uh star wars name uh yeah i mean that that is the

01:07:14.840 question right that's that's what we were going over during that whole uh discussion just it it's

01:07:20.040 obviously wildly too convenient the exact manner again when it was the head-to-head you at least

01:07:25.040 had the theory of okay democrats do this and that's generally why they'll come in but now it's

01:07:30.600 like okay two democratic candidates getting two wildly different balloting behaviors simultaneously 0.94

01:07:37.300 to defeat the one kind of not democrat like it's it's too much tom it's just too much silly

01:07:43.560 it was absolutely silly it was way too much and the whole concept of mail-in ballots it's like

01:07:48.600 look if you're not you know for deployed overseas or you got some try like there it should be

01:07:54.840 difficult to vote by mail or with an absentee ballot of any kind you know it's one of those

01:07:58.740 things where hey it's like i'm deployed overseas or you know for some other reason like a valid

01:08:04.460 reason that you've got to verify and there requires to be a little bit of friction for it

01:08:08.680 right like i think you know they're freaking a little bit of friction is good in that one so

01:08:14.620 yeah are you familiar with the the story of the bevictus the roman history story where the

01:08:20.480 barbarian throws the sword on the scale uh anyway there's a there's this moment where the romans

01:08:27.080 are fending off a barbarian horde and like the king comes in they've conquered everything they

01:08:32.880 pushed him back and you know they're inside you know basically the city and the city fathers have

01:08:37.760 to ransom because there's just no way they're going to win and it's like okay well i want my

01:08:41.800 weight in gold and he shows up and he stands on the thing and they're like oh you've rigged the

01:08:46.580 scales like this is this is in your favor uh and and you're you're trying to cheat us out of our

01:08:51.160 gold and he throws his sword on top of the scales and he says vae victus like woe to the conquer

01:08:56.420 yeah basically like yeah i'm cheating what are you going to do i beat you right like yeah that's

01:09:02.380 the end of the discussion honestly it feels a lot like that like it feels like yeah we're we're we're

01:09:07.380 just going to blatantly you know throw the sword on the scale and what will you do you've already

01:09:11.980 been conquered there's you know they're laughing at us that's the energy yeah yeah yeah uh nixon 0.95

01:09:17.540 says uh do normies buy this uh crap about mail-in ballots going further and further left as the days 0.50

01:09:22.660 go by media clearly all in on running the cover for this stuff i think democrats believe it i think 0.53

01:09:27.560 it's i i again you need stories that a decent amount of people will buy into i think very few

01:09:33.540 republicans buy into it but i think some some moderates and all democrats buy into it and

01:09:38.840 that's enough for them to tell themselves they aren't cheating and that's the most important

01:09:42.800 deception i don't think they ever accept expect that to sell you or me on this storyline and

01:09:47.500 they don't need to they just need that to be the excuse that allows them to cheat uh you know in

01:09:53.260 the open as long as they have that narrative for themselves it doesn't really matter if you believe

01:09:57.640 it. Yeah. And also like, because you see so much distrust of institutions more and more these days,

01:10:03.740 this is like, you know, the corporate press, academia, the government in general is, I think

01:10:09.900 there are enough people who are the normies, right? We're not necessarily talking about the

01:10:13.960 folks who are like terminally online, like you and me, but it's like the folks who are, you know,

01:10:18.740 just the standard Fox or CNN viewer, they're being told these things, but I don't know, man,

01:10:23.620 i'm willing to bet that there are that in something is so blatant as this i i think there

01:10:28.380 are going to be some some some people out there like oh wait maybe this isn't what we thought it

01:10:33.160 was maybe there might have been some cheating going on but yeah we'll see man like yeah nixon

01:10:39.820 also says one friend in cali received four ballots at his house another had a ballot mailed to

01:10:44.740 virginia because he moved away years ago neither wanted this yep again i think there's a lot of

01:10:50.440 that i think we have evidence of that pretty much everywhere you can certainly see how these ballots

01:10:54.980 make their way into certain helicopters uh when necessary yeah yeah and also one one quick point

01:11:00.700 is uh you can always tell somebody is not from california when they call it cali

01:11:05.760 nobody in california calls it cali no that's i know that they're not from california so

01:11:12.040 and then dan sour says good talk mom still says you're the second favorite son uh see this is

01:11:18.640 the media radio yeah yeah and talk radio your brother could not you know uh you know mess with

01:11:23.800 you but here he can he can throw an elbow uh you know live on that's that's uh that's my uh that's

01:11:29.740 my little brother dan uh he is actually active duty in the navy he is uh overseas in japan right

01:11:36.640 now but soon we're very excited he got accepted for a uh legislative fellowship so he's gonna

01:11:42.220 actually work on the hill uh later on this year so um yeah he's a also a navy eod officer like i

01:11:49.400 was i also went to naval academy and i taught him everything he knows he is taller than me though

01:11:54.160 which is annoying i'm six four and he's six six i was gonna say that's pretty hard i've met you

01:11:58.420 in person tom so good to know that you guys are uh breeding nephilim over there you know

01:12:04.240 thanks dan thanks bro yeah well thank you dan appreciate you watching uh best of luck on uh

01:12:11.940 your your uh tour and uh congratulations on your new position there uh and then nixon finally says

01:12:17.460 ex-californian used abbreviation for character limits he's really he's legit he's legit he's

01:12:22.160 just trying to fit it inside the character okay all right bro all right guys well we appreciate

01:12:28.360 you coming by tom it's a pleasure as always guys make sure that you are checking out his twitter

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01:12:50.620 and i've got the second edition of that fine piece of reading material that tom sour has on his

01:12:57.100 shelf the total state it has come out in paperback with an extra chapter so if you're waiting for

01:13:02.320 the paperback or the extra chapter go ahead and pick that up on amazon now thank you everybody

01:13:06.400 for watching as always i'll talk to you next time tom is my favorite vanna white

The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 08, 2026

Spencer Pratt and the Joke of American Democracy ｜ Guest： Tom Sauer ｜ 6⧸8⧸26

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