The Auron MacIntyre Show - Supreme Court Posting Its W's ｜ Guest： Steve Deace ｜ 7⧸3⧸23

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, thanks for joining me this afternoon.

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00:00:37.620 So as many of you might be aware, there was a big, a number of big cases that came down from the Supreme Court last week.

00:00:46.640 A lot of things touching on all kinds of different issues like affirmative action, religious liberty, and a whole bunch of other stuff.

00:00:54.140 And so I wanted to go ahead, I touched a little bit on the affirmative action case when it first came up.

00:00:59.820 But I wanted to go ahead and get into these cases a little deeper.

00:01:04.020 And joining me to do that today is author and host over on Blaze TV, Steve Deese.

00:01:09.180 Thanks for coming on, man.

00:01:10.620 You're welcome, brother.

00:01:11.300 Thanks for having me.

00:01:12.080 Always good to talk to you.

00:01:13.340 You bet.

00:01:13.660 Yeah, absolutely.

00:01:14.340 You've been kind enough to have me on many times, and I was very happy to finally get you on here as well.

00:01:20.700 So I'm sure you've been following these cases.

00:01:23.420 We've got a lot to talk about here.

00:01:25.820 But I guess let's just start with what many people will probably think is the most important case, of course, which is affirmative action.

00:01:33.040 Of course, we've had a regime of this for many decades.

00:01:36.520 This case was specifically targeted on the idea of adjusting college admissions due to race.

00:01:43.920 Harvard and I believe the University of North Carolina were both kind of named in this for Asian Americans not receiving kind of the same consideration being held back so that other minorities could be elevated due to different test scores.

00:01:58.360 And this has now been struck down.

00:02:01.580 What's kind of your initial reaction to the fact that this case, this is something that has been so influential in the way that America's top institutions have been shaped has now been overturned?

00:02:14.400 The first thing, I think you have to look at three big ideas here, all right?

00:02:19.300 I think number one, anytime government grants anything to anybody on the basis of race, that is the very definition of systemic racism.

00:02:28.360 And so we, you know, when I was a kid, when this was a real culture war flashpoint issue, the term reverse racism was kind of coined.

00:02:41.460 To me, there's just racism.

00:02:43.400 I mean, you know, Rush Limbaugh used to say that this isn't civil rights, it's get evenism.

00:02:51.660 And that's basically what we're talking about.

00:02:53.420 I mean, my ancestors came here at the turn of the 20th century with mass European immigration from Italy and Sicily.

00:03:02.900 They didn't come here for 60 years after the civil war.

00:03:07.260 They were poor, came here with nothing, they owned nothing.

00:03:10.440 They lived in the, when they were ethnic ghettos at the time.

00:03:13.300 And so the idea that I am somehow beholden to some advantage, I'm not sure when I received that advantage, when my mom was pregnant with me at 14, maybe.

00:03:23.500 When she had me at 15, was that when I got my white privilege?

00:03:26.300 When we were on ADC and food stamps, is that when I got my white privilege?

00:03:30.580 When I went to 11 different schools, K through 12, is that maybe when I had my white privilege?

00:03:36.280 The idea that because of some sins that were committed by people who have the same melanin level as I do, you know, 70 years before my ancestors arrived on this continent.

00:03:48.240 And so therefore, people that look like me now are to be granted some level of disadvantage systemically is the very definition of racism.

00:03:57.300 But that kind of leads to my second point.

00:04:00.580 And I think it's why, when I see you point out a lot, that no matter how many times you point out their hypocrisy, they won't be moved by it.

00:04:09.880 It's about, I think it's because of what I'm going to address here in point two.

00:04:13.800 And that is that ultimately, we're not debating anymore what is constitutional and unconstitutional.

00:04:20.960 We are now debating what is anti-constitutional, meaning that these aren't things that reasonable people can disagree.

00:04:28.620 What are the limits of the general welfare clause?

00:04:32.780 And we debated those things for many, many years, going back to the great society.

00:04:38.000 But starting really, I think most famously with Roe, where the Supreme Court created a right to privacy that did not exist.

00:04:45.020 Those words are nowhere in the Constitution.

00:04:46.600 And it's on purpose because the founders did not believe that ethics were privatized.

00:04:51.240 They believed in the laws of nature and nature's God, and that the Constitution was only meant for a more religious people.

00:04:57.760 So the idea of privatized ethics, thus you have a right to privacy.

00:05:01.980 You can't have a right to privacy without privatized ethics, ultimately, because, hey, I'm a drug dealer, but it's in my private time.

00:05:09.620 But I'm making meth, but it's in my private time.

00:05:12.220 Who are you to judge?

00:05:12.860 There has to be some form of ethic that we determine whether or not what you're doing with your privacy is meritorious or not.

00:05:19.740 And starting with Roe, where this made-up right was essentially injected into the constitutional bloodstream, we have been having now constitutional and anti-constitutional arguments for 50 years.

00:05:31.300 That what we're debating now are things that go against the intended schema of the Constitution.

00:05:37.000 They are deconstructive agents purposefully, not accidentally, not well-intentioned, but they went too far.

00:05:43.500 That there's one side of the argument here is on purpose, intending to deconstruct and rewrite the social compact via anti-constitutional language.

00:05:55.340 And affirmative action would be an example of that.

00:05:57.220 And that brings me back, and that brings me to the third point, that it seems as if, and maybe this is kind of fitting, when I was a kid, Reagan was credited with ending the Cold War.

00:06:09.180 That he took a Soviet Union, and that coming out of the 60s and 70s, there was a lot of concern and paranoia.

00:06:18.400 They were going to dominate, that we were a country in decline, and that he called that bluff and brought them to the brink of extinction, which inevitably happened in the couple of convening years after he left the White House.

00:06:32.520 And so that was kind of the fulfillment, that was kind of the fulfillment of the greatest generation era, of taking on totalitarian ideologies threatening the West, from Nazism to Japanese imperialism, and then to Marxism.

00:06:50.540 In some respects, Trump is the successor to that, in that he has now vanquished, really, through his judicial appointments, the two hottest flash, you know, hot flash culture war issues of the boomer era, which was dealing how to deal with systemic racism with things like affirmative action and Roe and abortion.

00:07:19.000 Those are, if you grew up in the 80s, those were the issues that were the most divisive culture war issues of that era, well into the 90s.

00:07:29.760 And just as Reagan finished off whatever was left of the Soviet industrial complex, Trump, via his judicial appointments, has smashed the largest two chivalrous of the left's culture war in the boomer era. 0.71

00:07:45.020 And so those are kind of the three big picture thoughts I would have of that ruling and what it means.

00:07:50.460 Yeah, absolutely.

00:07:52.440 It feels very difficult because, of course, this is a, for many conservatives, a very difficult thing to acknowledge.

00:07:59.940 But the right has been very scared to address the Civil Rights Act or affirmative action when it becomes pointed at, I think, certain groups, very particularly, you know, white people.

00:08:11.640 Like you said, when that when that bias now comes towards whites, when that racism is aimed at whites instead of other groups, all of a sudden they get very skittish about pointing that out.

00:08:20.980 And so I guess kind of, you know, they felt a little better about the fact that it was also Asian Americans, of course, who were heavily biased against in this ruling.

00:08:28.460 But this has got kind of a big downward consequences, right?

00:08:34.800 There's the cascading possibilities for this because, of course, these rulings, you know, just as affirmative action did not only apply to colleges, these rulings could easily fall on to businesses, other organizations that now have to take into account or basically that were required by law to take into account race on all of these different issues.

00:08:57.000 All of a sudden there's a possibility that that just kind of goes away or can be challenged, I should say.

00:09:04.840 Now, these organizations have all kind of spoken up.

00:09:08.140 We've already seen especially ones like Harvard basically say we're not really going to pay attention to this ruling, right?

00:09:15.120 Because in the ruling, it says that you're still allowed to think about or kind of consider whether or not someone's race created additional difficulty for them, whether they overcame different aspects of that.

00:09:29.160 And so Harvard has already basically said, well, we're just going to go to we're going to skip the test scores.

00:09:35.040 We're going to go directly to essays and then we can just kind of take that into account still.

00:09:41.920 Now, the ruling itself did actually say that you can't circumvent this with just a with just an essay test instead.

00:09:48.640 But but but Harvard came out and directly said, actually, we are just planning to do that.

00:09:53.180 So we have the ruling now, which is great.

00:09:55.860 But do you think it will actually be enforced?

00:09:58.020 Do you think that these organizations will actually change their behavior?

00:10:01.360 I think some of that is bravado, frankly, you know, we're we're seeing this thing in pop culture right now where leftist cast members of productions are so anxious to get the social social media virtue signal out of boys and ratios.

00:10:20.460 But they are like way overselling the amount of work content in their production in order to get the clickbait ratio they want.

00:10:29.420 And then the rest of America is like, oh, OK, so you're insulting me.

00:10:32.060 I guess I don't need to see that.

00:10:33.460 And then like and then they bomb at the box office or they bomb on a streaming platform.

00:10:37.100 And it turns out you watch it like six months or a year later, you're like, yeah, I mean, there was, you know, kind of your typical liberal bromides in there.

00:10:43.320 But that certainly wasn't the the woke him that I was warned about.

00:10:47.320 They are just they just way oversold it for social for social media style points and street cred.

00:10:52.580 And I think that's some of what you're talking about with Harvard.

00:10:55.200 But I also think some of it and maybe even a lot of it are on is irrelevant because Skynet is adapting.

00:11:02.320 Right. And so there was a there was a monumental affirmative action case just a few years ago involving the University of Michigan, too, with a very similar ruling.

00:11:09.880 And what did we see in response to that?

00:11:13.960 30, 40 years ago, if we had something like covid, the left would have tried to would have tried to use government to impose, not to declare, but to impose, enforce the kind of vaccine mandate that Joe Biden tried to get private corporations to do.

00:11:30.860 Because 30, 40 years ago, private corporations were largely friends or at least co-belligerents of people like you and I.

00:11:37.280 But they understood that for us to fully reward our shareholders and to reach our full profit motive potential, government is in the way of that.

00:11:47.560 So we'll even donate to your silly culture war causes that maybe we don't even agree with.

00:11:51.620 Like Target was once one of the largest donors to marriage amendments fights in the 1990s.

00:11:57.160 And so they they recognize that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, even if they didn't necessarily weren't simpatico with us on these cultural issues.

00:12:05.300 They understood that we were fighting the same enemy.

00:12:07.400 What's happened now is it is it is there's been a massive political realignment in America.

00:12:12.940 It just hasn't happened within the electorate.

00:12:15.540 The classes and the donor classes now that run these corporations are like, you know, we don't have to fight the government anymore.

00:12:21.300 We can just join with it and get what we want out of it and become too big to fail.

00:12:25.260 And TARP was kind of the first signal that this transition from the Lee Iacocca CEO of our childhood to the I'm really concerned about my diversity program.

00:12:37.860 So that's where Disney will literally tank its stock.

00:12:40.560 Its stock is down 50 percent in value or since 2004.

00:12:44.820 It's trading at 2004 market value right now or 2014 market value right now.

00:12:50.120 And yet shows no signs and doing more and more content that people don't want because they're believers now.

00:12:55.640 They're they're true believers.

00:12:56.860 They're they're doing this as they're on a mission from God.

00:12:59.320 It's just a different one.

00:13:00.360 OK, and and this transition has happened where now what we used to call affirmative action is now called ESG and DEI.

00:13:07.860 And so, yes.

00:13:10.940 Donald Trump did with his judicial appointments similar to, again, the same analogy.

00:13:16.340 Reagan defeated what was left of the Soviet Union, but Skynet adapted. 0.89

00:13:20.700 And instead, it just it just downloaded much of its matrix into our own academia and our own pop culture.

00:13:26.260 And we're we're living through this in what we're seeing right now.

00:13:29.160 Similarly, you are watching the end of the affirmative action era, one of the hot button flashpoints of the culture war of the boomer era.

00:13:37.320 You're watching it end from a public institutional standpoint.

00:13:41.160 But but but but again, the Skynet's adapted.

00:13:43.760 It's just rebooted.

00:13:44.600 Version 2.0 is called DEI ESG.

00:13:47.700 All right.

00:13:47.980 And you've seen a handful of Republican governors like DeSantis and a few others now trying to go.

00:13:52.020 After it in there, I think that's where you live is in Florida, trying to go after this within their own states to stop it from capturing the institutions on a local and statewide level.

00:14:01.820 And so if one front has ended, but this enemy is systemic and it's just repackaging itself now and now it's called ESG and DEI.

00:14:09.380 Do you think that this is this is something that kind of the right has to learn, that conservatives have to learn that formal victories are necessary but not sufficient?

00:14:20.140 Right. You know, like you said, we we think we've got this election.

00:14:23.720 We think we've got the Supreme Court ruling.

00:14:25.540 We think we've got this new piece of legislation.

00:14:27.800 And then even though there's been this formal victory, companies, universities, you know, they just continue the mission on there.

00:14:36.540 There's like you made a good point there about DEI and ESG.

00:14:40.800 These are now industries unto themselves.

00:14:42.780 Right. These are bureaucracies built into this stuff. 0.99

00:14:45.840 There's an entire managerial apparatus of, you know, people who are whose livelihood is built on the continuation of this regime.

00:14:54.720 Correct. And and so the Supreme Court ruling can't be applied because if they did, it could collapse an entire sector of the economy, an entire part of kind of their power manufacturing apparatus.

00:15:06.400 And so but but I guess the good news is that there is now the opportunity for lawfare.

00:15:12.800 Right. Like you said, in California, you know, race based admissions have been illegal forever, but it still goes on because the universities just don't care.

00:15:21.700 The conservatives, they're not going to see these these things change right away.

00:15:26.060 They're not going to see these institutions change right away.

00:15:28.500 But what they do now have is the opportunity for sustained ability to apply legal pressure to bring these things down.

00:15:35.380 I think that is that is very well said.

00:15:37.640 I think it is. It's important to note that, you know, what is the backdrop of the conversation here?

00:15:45.440 I mean, what what's the what is the cultural context of what we are of what we are alluding to?

00:15:51.920 You know, there's a great line in Mel Gibson's The Patriot.

00:15:55.380 Why would I trade one tyrant two thousand miles away from two thousand tyrants for two thousand tyrants one mile away?

00:16:02.560 And and what has happened is the singular figures of the racialist shakedown era, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, that if you could get around them or, you know, every time Jesse Jackson had a scandal and fathered another kid via adultery or wedlock and he had to go into hiding for six months to a year.

00:16:21.760 Or every time Al Sharpton lied, which was regularly, meaning that the flaws of that agenda were largely rested on the precarious social status of the people carrying that agenda like Jackson and Sharpton.

00:16:36.540 So whenever they were margin, if you could marginalize them, you could marginalize their agenda.

00:16:40.840 They weren't as good at shaking down corporations and things of that nature over fake racism.

00:16:45.120 What we have now, though, is the process has been democratized.

00:16:48.320 That's what you just alluded to.

00:16:49.420 This is an entire cottage industry.

00:16:52.000 It's an economy of scale now.

00:16:54.080 I mean, even here in Iowa, where I live, when we had the Floyd, the summer of George Floyd funerals, a venerable company owned by Christian, Christian family going back many, many years, Hy-Vee grocery stores.

00:17:06.480 They were they had massive.

00:17:08.440 It was almost like the Passover, except instead of lamb's blood, they put massive BLM signs over their main awning, almost as if to say, please pass over us. 0.77

00:17:16.640 We have made the necessary genuflection.

00:17:19.800 Do not punish us, OK, but leave our store front be.

00:17:25.240 And so this this thing is this is a tumor now that is metastasized in many respects.

00:17:29.100 And and that is evidence of, I think, what is the most important cultural context that is often not discussed on the right and has to be discussed, actually, in all things.

00:17:38.760 The social compact is broken.

00:17:42.140 I think this is the most important thing to discuss beyond just the obvious theological nature of what we are dealing with.

00:17:54.260 And that is the main cause of what we become as a people and then and and the the rival religion that has sprouted up from the spirit of the age to replace the old Judeo Christian one in a but in a in a natural in a non supernatural sense. 0.83

00:18:09.140 The most important thing to remember when you look at anything happening in the country on any contested issue is you have to remember the social compact is broken.

00:18:18.860 What do I mean by that?

00:18:20.200 The Constitution is the quantification of the social compact.

00:18:25.180 It begins with the words we the people.

00:18:27.400 So what existed first, the Constitution or the people?

00:18:30.340 Did the Constitution form the union or did the people form the union?

00:18:33.840 The people formed the union.

00:18:36.420 This is our social compact.

00:18:38.160 What it means in a declaration when we talk about law, the government by the consent of the governed, the Constitution will now quantify that there will be bills of bill of rights granted to into citizens to that will that will complement the inalienable rights that each of us have just by virtue of being born and made in the image of God.

00:18:57.940 And then there are the enumerated powers that government.

00:19:00.760 These are the only the things that government can do and it can do no more.

00:19:03.640 And for government to come up with more powers that that are not yet enumerated, there's an extraordinary appeal process constitutionally in order for those provisions to be to be codified years later.

00:19:17.860 That's all broken now.

00:19:20.060 We live in a period of time now where and this has been going on since Roe as well.

00:19:25.120 The left openly does things it knows or suspects are illegal and just dares you to go find a federal judge somewhere that will strike it down or a legislature somewhere that will.

00:19:34.360 Render it via nullification, null and void.

00:19:39.320 That's not that's not a political disagreement.

00:19:42.620 Your social compact is broken.

00:19:45.280 You're not.

00:19:45.960 We're not even that's not that's like we're not even neighbors anymore.

00:19:48.900 We're just living next to each other coincidentally under the same landmass.

00:19:52.580 And the reason why that is important is and I will confess that until the last few years, I held off on it fully embracing this, even though I suspected it for many years.

00:20:03.360 Why?

00:20:04.160 Because I've read a history book and a Bible are on.

00:20:07.680 And so I know what it means.

00:20:09.400 We cannot cavalierly say things like this.

00:20:11.560 To say things like this for rhetorical flourish is irresponsible, because if it's true, then then we're in a we're in a very dire historical moment.

00:20:22.100 And and it's only because I've come to the conclusion after the last few years that we are that I didn't want to I didn't want I wanted to err on the side of being late to that realization and too early because of what it would mean.

00:20:33.140 But now that it's the evidence is clear after the last few years that the social compact is broken, meaning we are we are living with people who don't just merely politically disagree with us.

00:20:43.600 They have no interest in tolerating us or our viewpoints.

00:20:48.240 And they are they're trying to undermine them.

00:20:50.320 They're trying to end them.

00:20:52.660 I think of your state again, Florida.

00:20:54.980 Go ahead.

00:20:55.360 Oh, no, I was just going to say, I think that that is ultimately the danger of thinking that contract law can kind of hold the country together.

00:21:06.280 Right.

00:21:06.900 I think I think that Christians and this is a Christian country, you know, at its very founding.

00:21:12.100 They but in many ways, they allowed the the faith in God and kind of the cohesion of a culture and a people to be replaced with the idea that a document itself could kind of supplant it.

00:21:27.200 And so America was no longer a people.

00:21:29.600 It was no longer a shared culture.

00:21:31.320 Instead, it was now a document.

00:21:33.500 And and that document was what was to be exalted.

00:21:37.580 But once that document lost the the animating force of the culture and the religion and the people behind it.

00:21:44.480 Correct.

00:21:45.200 Then then it simply became something that people could dicker about until one side got its way and its power.

00:21:51.340 And this is why we've seen two entirely different types of culture, two entirely different sets of values emerge simultaneously inside and under this document.

00:22:02.720 Because the document just because becomes something to get redefined and moved out of the way for the new religion or the new culture, the new value set to subsume the old man. 0.79

00:22:13.280 You just eloquently itemized what what a broken social compact means.

00:22:18.000 I mean, you don't quote laws that men with guns, you don't you don't stand in front of Jason Voorhees and Michael Myers and screamed out, shall not murder.

00:22:24.960 They don't care.

00:22:26.120 It's an irrelevant process.

00:22:27.440 I think of your state, again, of Florida, we learned in this last midterm election that 40 percent of your state, there is there is no performance level of normalcy, success, security that a Republican could perform that would get them to vote for them.

00:22:51.340 That was that was quantified in this last election.

00:22:53.840 I mean, your governor basically did a bunch of stuff people like me have only been blogging and doing talk shows about for 30 years.

00:23:00.360 He did a lot of those things and your state benefited greatly from it.

00:23:03.720 And still 40 percent of your state thought, I'll take the Marxism.

00:23:07.460 That means that they are that 40 percent of Floridians.

00:23:11.620 Same thing happened in my home state of Iowa.

00:23:13.180 We had a very similar governor in Kim Reynolds.

00:23:15.480 She's just not doesn't have quite the personality and does it quietly. 0.90

00:23:19.220 And I was not the battlefield that Florida is.

00:23:21.180 But she also moved our state the furthest right it's ever been.

00:23:24.260 She got about 60 percent of the vote, too.

00:23:26.600 And that means about 40 percent outside of like a Mississippi, Alabama, where being red state is ingrained in the water table in places that are contested.

00:23:38.920 The baseline is 40 percent of the people who show up to vote are affirmatively for Marxism.

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00:24:14.700 Affirmatively for it.

00:24:17.420 Or they are so affirmatively for the immorality that the Marxists will permit that they will vote for them in order to get the immorality they want, even if it undoes everything else about society that they also want.

00:24:29.580 That's a very dangerous place to be when 40 percent of the electorate in the third largest state in the country says there is no unemployment rate.

00:24:37.280 There is no openness during a pandemic.

00:24:39.600 There is no fiduciary responsibility.

00:24:42.640 There is no protection of our children that you could offer us that would get us to rethink our position.

00:24:47.640 In fact, we are against those things.

00:24:49.020 We don't want our children protected but exposed.

00:24:50.480 And when we get to this point that we're at now, then elections are really only about one thing.

00:24:58.200 They used to be about and they were intended to be about each side or before the Civil War, there were multiple sides.

00:25:06.740 Since we had the two-party system after Reconstruction, prior to Reconstruction, every party had its own vision for what was the right way to adjudicate, live out, protect the laws of nature and nature's God, the pursuit of happiness and what that meant.

00:25:21.560 All right. What has happened in our era now, though, is that's not the argument anymore.

00:25:27.600 Elections are now about the acquisition and wielding of power.

00:25:32.220 No more, no less.

00:25:34.360 Power to punish your enemies before they punish you and the power to protect people from the people's enemies before they get power and use it to punish them.

00:25:42.880 It's not about making the trains run on time, not about the economy, not about any of that.

00:25:49.260 None of that matters now.

00:25:50.900 And if the right does not understand that, then we are in many respects going to be like the Redcoats. 0.76

00:26:00.260 In the Revolutionary War, we never really defeated the British Iran.

00:26:04.420 They just got tired and went home.

00:26:06.320 They got tired of fighting.

00:26:08.260 There was no grand battle.

00:26:09.880 All Yorktowns may be the closest, but there wasn't a moment that everyone agreed, wow, the British.

00:26:14.360 In fact, they came back like a decade later in the War of 1812 and tried it all over again.

00:26:18.260 They just got tired.

00:26:19.760 We just kept fighting over and over and over again. 0.99

00:26:21.740 And eventually the Redcoats were like, damn, man, I'm tired. 0.99

00:26:23.860 I don't want to die from New Jersey. 0.99

00:26:24.880 I want to go home to my wife.

00:26:26.180 You can have it.

00:26:26.800 And they left.

00:26:27.620 They just got in and left.

00:26:28.780 All right.

00:26:30.380 And what happened in that war, and it's depicted very well in the Patriot, is in the end, the side that most has the resolve in the rightness of its own cause,

00:26:39.880 always wins.

00:26:41.280 Every conflict, cold or hot in human history.

00:26:45.420 And so the British would come out, this very well-trained army.

00:26:48.900 They went to the David French School of Calvary.

00:26:54.700 And we get eight hours of sleep.

00:26:57.620 We shoot at nine.

00:26:59.300 We break at 10 for tea.

00:27:02.260 Shooting again at 10.30 out here in the field.

00:27:04.680 Then we break for lunch.

00:27:05.880 Hour and a half break.

00:27:07.080 Shooting again at two.

00:27:07.940 I mean, there were these very gentlemanly rules of engagement.

00:27:10.720 And they figured, you know, these colonials, they're fellow Englishmen.

00:27:14.320 They will abide by the law of chivalry here and the code.

00:27:19.620 The social compact here.

00:27:20.940 We're all Englishmen here.

00:27:21.820 We're all gentlemen here.

00:27:22.660 We're all white Anglo-Saxon.

00:27:24.620 We're all wasps here, you know? 0.93

00:27:26.500 And the colonials are like, screw that noise.

00:27:28.380 I want to be home with my wife tonight.

00:27:29.560 So I'm going to hide out in this tree. 0.99

00:27:30.980 I'm going to shoot you in the back, actually, is what I'm going to do. 0.99

00:27:33.360 All right? 1.00

00:27:34.120 And then I'm going to run, okay?

00:27:36.020 And into the woods.

00:27:37.160 Because you outnumbered me like 50 to 1. 0.60

00:27:39.120 And if I stand out here in the field, I'm just going to get my head blown off.

00:27:41.420 So not going to do that, okay? 1.00

00:27:43.360 So I'm going to, like, stab you in the middle of the night. 0.95

00:27:45.660 We basically invented guerrilla warfare in the Revolutionary War. 0.96

00:27:48.960 The colonials basically brought it to Western civilization for the first time. 0.96

00:27:53.040 And we are now the cultural redcoats.

00:27:56.840 There's these codicils.

00:27:58.080 There are these systems.

00:27:59.340 We must follow said systems.

00:28:00.700 It would be just a terrible thing.

00:28:02.940 And, you know, very good friends of mine and I argued during the last election about whether

00:28:09.760 Mike Pence had the power or not to decertify the last election.

00:28:13.820 You want to know what my position was?

00:28:15.260 And this is when I knew I had finally crossed the Rubicon.

00:28:17.840 My position was, I don't care.

00:28:20.480 They're obviously stealing an election.

00:28:23.000 I'm getting calls from people, friends of mine who are Trump election monitors standing

00:28:28.040 outside of city halls and courthouses where they're counting votes in places like Philadelphia

00:28:33.020 where they have violated the law.

00:28:34.780 They blacked out the windows.

00:28:35.880 They boarded them up.

00:28:36.580 They kicked the monitors out.

00:28:37.820 They're just counting for days.

00:28:39.280 Social compact is broken.

00:28:40.800 I don't care what the Eighth Amendment says now, all right?

00:28:43.080 The Sabbath was made for man, Oran, not man for the Sabbath. 0.98

00:28:47.040 If you get the analogy I'm drawing there, all right?

00:28:49.300 The Constitution was made for us.

00:28:51.280 We were not made for the Constitution.

00:28:53.760 And there's a higher law before we get to the Constitution, like thou shalt not steal.

00:28:58.460 That existed on this planet for thousands of years before we codified a Constitution.

00:29:03.740 And they're stealing.

00:29:04.340 So I don't care what the Eighth Amendment's 14th sentence says.

00:29:07.900 And hell, right now, I don't even know what it has 14 sentences.

00:29:10.040 I don't think it does, actually.

00:29:11.500 What I care about is they're stealing in broad daylight.

00:29:14.880 They are urinating on our social compact in this republic.

00:29:18.720 We cannot tolerate that.

00:29:20.400 And so somebody do something.

00:29:22.160 I don't care what the previous rules of engagement were.

00:29:25.040 They have rendered them null and void by their own actions.

00:29:28.180 And I think we're going to have to figure out, because now we do need to have some lines.

00:29:33.340 You know, I'm a Christian.

00:29:34.680 I cannot do what God's law forbids me from doing.

00:29:38.380 So I can't steal like they steal from me.

00:29:41.340 I can't bear false witness like they do that to me. 0.74

00:29:44.440 But everything short of that, you bet your ass I can do that, okay?

00:29:48.980 So I will not break the laws of nature and nature's God to uphold the laws of nature and nature's God.

00:29:53.960 But all of your traditions and legacies and heritages, those are out the window to me.

00:29:59.680 Because the social compact is out the window now, too.

00:30:01.960 Well, and it's very clear that the left has had this approach for a very long time, right?

00:30:06.700 Everything from sanctuary cities to, like we said, blowing off laws that don't allow you to have race-based emissions in California.

00:30:15.200 They simply ignore it.

00:30:16.080 They know that they are not beholden to those things.

00:30:18.780 Now, I think there are mechanical reasons that they get to do that that we don't.

00:30:22.200 And that's something that the right has to understand as well.

00:30:24.600 There are all these different informal or there are these victories at different levels that have to be one for you to have those options.

00:30:32.780 But the Supreme Court, you know, having these kind of rulings does give you some of those options.

00:30:37.380 And that's certainly the case with affirmative action.

00:30:40.080 You do get a new way to fight that back there for sure.

00:30:42.900 But I wanted to get to these other two big rulings that I think are important.

00:30:47.600 The next one, speaking of nature and nature's God, is, of course, the religious freedom ruling here.

00:30:54.560 Now, originally with the famous cake baking case, the Supreme Court kind of handed down a very narrow ruling.

00:31:00.480 It didn't really set aside the ability of Christians to not engage in certain types of commerce if it violated their religious beliefs.

00:31:10.880 This one with the website and kind of the gay marriage asking for website design, this one was a little more specific.

00:31:19.000 It still is only because this is a creative thing.

00:31:23.080 It's not a general ability to refuse service or to really have freedom of association.

00:31:27.680 But at least it is specifically, you know, speaking to the fact that Christians do have the right to decide to not use their creative capacities in ways that would violate their religious conviction.

00:31:40.780 I think it was good that you cited the precedence here.

00:31:43.620 The Hobby Lobby case was the initial win.

00:31:46.340 And that was over Obamacare and the abortion stipulation there. 0.99

00:31:50.420 Did you have to fund abortion via Obamacare and Hobby Lobby?

00:31:54.500 And at the time, I actually thought the court was going to rule against us because it had already ruled in the original gay marriage decision, Windsor.

00:32:02.960 And I could just not I just couldn't see Anthony Kennedy, who views himself as the.

00:32:08.840 The great homosexual, you know, emancipator of America, I couldn't see him.

00:32:14.220 He would have to know that if he ruled for Hobby Lobby, then when when when the inevitable challenges to religious liberty come up in response to redefining marriage, he's going to have to rule the same way.

00:32:25.760 And I didn't think he would do that.

00:32:26.800 Well, it turns out that he did.

00:32:28.100 But you're right.

00:32:29.040 The the the master the the masterpiece cake shop case that you referenced there was very narrow.

00:32:34.040 In fact, in the ruling itself, Anthony Kennedy actually wrote his his separate concurrent majority opinion.

00:32:41.740 Where he clearly tried to he was clearly trying to limit the precedent.

00:32:45.260 And in there, he wrote that as long as you could that you you could do this, if you could prove it was for any reason other than religious animus.

00:32:53.660 Like he couldn't think of any reason you would keep going to poor Jack's cake shop in Denver, because it's clearly not the only cake shop in Denver.

00:33:00.980 He couldn't think of a reason why you would keep going to Jack's cake shop except to specifically target him, to specifically make an example out of him.

00:33:09.460 But Kennedy said, as long as you can do that in a way where it's not as obvious, then OK, it's fine.

00:33:15.500 So they kept doing it.

00:33:16.600 Remember, Jack's actually been back before the U.S. Supreme Court had to win there again.

00:33:20.460 OK, so he's been there twice.

00:33:22.000 Now they're going after him again a third time, I believe, on a train of cake, I want to say.

00:33:26.580 All right.

00:33:27.080 So in this case, the court did make a much more blanket statement that you can, as a general rule, not be compelled to use your abilities, talents, intellectual property, proprietary methods, et cetera, that are unique to you to market messages and causes that you morally find inappropriate.

00:33:48.300 And this is, again, something that if the social compact wasn't broken.

00:33:53.880 Another way of putting that is, if we could actually be the kinds of people libertarians fantasize we could be, but isn't actual reality when you look at human nature, doesn't really work that way, you know, then this would be obvious.

00:34:09.680 Because you would just flip the script or you would say, OK, well, would we tell a black caterer that they had to go cater the white nationalist meeting?

00:34:17.280 We wouldn't tell him that. 1.00

00:34:18.200 That'd be stupid. 0.99

00:34:19.020 But would we would we tell. 1.00

00:34:21.600 Jelly owner that he had to go and deliver subs at the neo-Nazi rally?

00:34:24.820 No one would.

00:34:25.220 No one would.

00:34:25.660 No one.

00:34:26.100 No one in their right mind would say, yeah, that's that's what I mean.

00:34:28.900 That that's the David French is right.

00:34:30.820 That's the price of liberty.

00:34:32.100 No one would say this.

00:34:33.000 So it's only being applied in one.

00:34:35.820 But no one's even saying this about Muslims.

00:34:38.400 I mean, our former colleague here at the Blaze, Stephen Crowder, did a bit about eight years ago after Windsor, where he went to Detroit, to Dearborn, which is the most Islamic centric, Muslim centric sector of America demographically.

00:34:54.880 And he kept walking into Muslim bakeries trying to get them to bake them a gay cake and they wouldn't do it. 1.00

00:34:58.800 OK, and so it's really just can we find Christians and make them bow the knee to what you like to call the total state? 0.97

00:35:06.560 Because if the social compact wasn't broken, we would already recognize, you know, it ain't no fun when the rabbits got the gun. 0.96

00:35:12.800 Do we want to make the gay cake baker? 1.00

00:35:15.240 Do we want to make him do a, you know, a Romans one cake, a Ten Commandments cake? 0.95

00:35:21.520 We would automatically assume that it has to go both ways.

00:35:25.580 Otherwise, it's a fallacy.

00:35:26.900 We don't do that anymore.

00:35:27.960 Why? Because the fallacy is the point.

00:35:31.440 We want to they want to break the social compact.

00:35:34.260 They want you to bet to bend the knee.

00:35:36.480 They want to punish you for dissenting.

00:35:38.820 All right.

00:35:39.240 And it was always going to go from why do you care what two people that love each other do in the privacy of their own bedroom to you will be made to care.

00:35:49.100 It was always going to go there.

00:35:50.400 And I think something I've seen you say a lot, which is everything that the old religious right leaders of the 80s got parodied and panned for saying has actually happened and worse.

00:36:00.640 And that's exactly right.

00:36:02.240 Yeah.

00:36:02.760 No, I think that's that's the case.

00:36:04.440 Like you said, this the illusion, you know, the the the the kind of the shield that's held out in front is, oh, this is going to be even handed.

00:36:15.120 This is going to apply to everybody.

00:36:17.000 But we we understand.

00:36:18.700 We see that continuously that really this is a coalition of people who are looking to dismantle America as we knew it.

00:36:25.460 Right.

00:36:25.700 And it's the you know, whether it's Christianity, whether it's a European heritage being denied the ability to go to something like Harvard, these the victims are continually targeted specifically for the fact that they're connected to the American tradition, the American social compact, what has made America kind of what it is.

00:36:45.620 And so they're not going after Muslims for this, even though they know they have exactly the same or even a more maybe even a more staunch objection to this.

00:36:56.760 They don't care because they're part of the coalition that's voting to dismantle these things, or at least they think they're they are numerically.

00:37:04.240 I believe they are at this point and Christians are not. 1.00

00:37:06.980 And so it's about punishing your enemies and rewarding your friends.

00:37:10.360 And so, you know, you turn a blind eye to those that might vote for you in other situations.

00:37:15.060 And you, you know, turn the eye of Sauron directly on those who are kind of against your coalition.

00:37:21.800 But like you said, I think it is good, obviously, that this ruling does exist.

00:37:26.340 It's another another case in which you I'm sure you'll continue to see this harassment in many ways, like you said, with the with the cake, the the is it master?

00:37:37.780 I'm sorry, I forgot the name of the masterpiece.

00:37:39.780 The masterpiece. Yes, we see that the kind of the process is the punishment, right?

00:37:45.160 Even when they know they're not going to get the ruling that they want, continually forcing this poor guy into this situation allows them to punish him.

00:37:53.980 But either they don't care about the actual ruling at the end of the day, they care about the punishment of forcing them through this.

00:37:59.280 But now there is that legal precedent that, again, allows the reciprocal ability of conservatives if they have kind of the you know, if they can grow the spine to push back on these lawfare cases and say, OK, well, we can bring similar cases now against different organizations now that we have those precedents.

00:38:15.920 But there's one more that I want to talk about with you before we get to I want to talk to you about July 4th here, too, in just a second, because I think you have an interesting perspective on kind of where the country is that I wanted to pick your brain about it.

00:38:26.660 But the last case that that was kind of important over this week was or last week was the the rejection of Biden's attempt to pay off student loan debt to forgive student loan debt.

00:38:39.960 Of course, we know there is no forgiving student loan debt. It doesn't magically disappear. It just means someone else pays for it.

00:38:45.840 Now, I'm I'm of I know that this is a good win for conservatives and for the right in general, because basically this was one big attempt at a big client class payoff. Right.

00:38:59.080 Yeah, they know that colleges are progressive seminaries. They know that they're designed to spread their worldview while getting, you know, students deeply into debt and lots of usury to make sure that they can't start families.

00:39:11.840 They can't afford homes. They spend all this money, you know, acquiring a credential to get locked into a corporation that's going to hate them and their values.

00:39:20.600 So so in many ways, this is a big win for the right. But at the same time, I do want to say that the college system in and of itself is a horrible thing right now.

00:39:31.460 The kind of debt we're putting kids into to, again, force them to go through this horrendous brainwashing and then get, you know, terrible jobs that they're going to get replaced out of in a few years.

00:39:41.840 Once the next batch of HB1 visas comes through, like that is a predatory system.

00:39:46.660 And so in many ways, I do feel for a lot of people who were felt like they were forced to go through a predatory system with a bunch of values they hate to incur debt that they didn't want to get.

00:39:57.320 So, like, I do think they are in many ways victims of a system designed to destroy them.

00:40:02.640 But obviously what the left was trying to do is not rescue these people from that system.

00:40:06.920 They wanted to continue that system.

00:40:08.760 They just wanted to give a bunch of bennies to people who they were sure were going to be voting for them for the rest of their lives.

00:40:13.160 You are correct on both accounts, and I'm glad you used the term usury. 0.99

00:40:16.900 I want to come back to that in a second.

00:40:18.640 But first and foremost, this was a wealth redistribution scheme.

00:40:21.680 Right.

00:40:22.080 I mean, the left has lost married people and especially married whites in almost every presidential election ever, you know, in the last 50 years, including the ones they've won.

00:40:33.660 They lost them.

00:40:34.540 All right.

00:40:35.100 And so, on the other hand, they almost always win among college-aged voters, at least those who managed to show up.

00:40:44.160 And so this was a clear attempt at a demographic redistribution scheme, who are primarily the people that are going to be adamant about actually paying back their student loans.

00:40:55.860 A lot of them will probably be married, responsible, probably not voting for me.

00:41:00.900 And the people that either don't want to pay them back or can't are the people that are voting for me.

00:41:05.860 So this is just a basic concept.

00:41:08.300 You know, the only time I've seen Republicans accurately do this was in Trump's return the favor was Trump's tax cuts.

00:41:17.980 Remember how they were complaining about the people that lived in the blue states, the high?

00:41:23.520 Now, you know, Texas can have some high property taxes, too, but a lot of the high property tax states are blue states.

00:41:29.080 And so they were really pissed off that they weren't going to get to write off their state income tax deduction anymore with the Trump tax cuts.

00:41:37.940 But, you know, the Trump administration's position basically wasn't the Republicans.

00:41:40.900 I'm glad this is like the only time I've ever seen them do something like this.

00:41:43.720 Well, you guys don't vote for us anyway. 0.99

00:41:45.280 So screw you. 0.84

00:41:46.180 The states that do vote for us, they don't need that state income tax deduction as much as you do. 0.97

00:41:50.800 And so we're going to give them the big federal tax deduction that they deserve. 0.95

00:41:53.260 So screw you. 0.96

00:41:54.320 Just direct patronage. 0.99

00:41:55.580 Yeah, just direct patronage.

00:41:56.800 That's a great thing to actually see.

00:41:58.640 Yes, this is what Democrats were trying to do via the student loan issue. 0.93

00:42:02.880 Right.

00:42:03.140 But you used a very important term there with usury.

00:42:06.540 And that is very, very much what is going on.

00:42:10.360 And I do think we still need to deal with, I think you even used the phrase predatory lending practices.

00:42:19.100 These are Dr. Feelgood's.

00:42:21.360 You know, these are drug dealers on every street corner known as every public school in America.

00:42:26.120 You have to do this.

00:42:27.240 I mean, you're not as good of a person.

00:42:28.360 You might miss out.

00:42:29.640 I mean, what do you mean you want to just go and get a trade or be a welder?

00:42:32.420 I mean, you don't want to.

00:42:34.320 I mean, and I think one way that we could potentially deal with this is let's do debt.

00:42:40.620 Let's do student loan debt relief.

00:42:42.160 But the remuneration reverts back to the universities.

00:42:46.100 It's an offset, whatever their funding was from the state or the feds, it is offset against that until all that debt is paid off.

00:42:58.040 So somebody does pay it.

00:43:01.680 Yeah.

00:43:02.080 The pimp does.

00:43:03.780 The drug dealer does.

00:43:04.860 He pays the bill.

00:43:06.040 That's exactly right.

00:43:07.020 Seize the endowments.

00:43:08.340 You know, mortgage the buildings until you have enough to pay.

00:43:12.120 Okay.

00:43:12.380 Well, then we'll be happy to pay these off.

00:43:14.580 Hopefully by that point, you've salted the earth and the buildings are raised to the ground.

00:43:17.740 But either way, you know, we have to like conservatives have to get okay with this idea that we have to radically change the way credentialing is done in the United States.

00:43:29.760 I know you went to, you know, we went to college and we have college football teams and alma maters and have fond memories of these things.

00:43:39.100 This system is destroying young people.

00:43:41.320 It's destroying the ability of people to have homes, to have families, to have the ability to start out with and have, you know, do the kind of things that will make them more conservative and, by the way, happier and healthier.

00:43:54.240 And, you know, putting people in this level of debt is just strictly immoral.

00:43:59.560 And we just have to find a way, you know, alternative examinations, you know, force businesses to actually bear the cost of recruiting and training.

00:44:11.320 You know, their employees again, rather than just putting it on the state and taxpayers like this has to be a shift of mentality for conservatives.

00:44:20.580 And so this is a this is a victory, obviously, like you said, this would have been a direct redistribution, a payoff, a big patronage scheme for for Biden.

00:44:29.740 And so his defeat here also, you know, with the fact that they're just they were just exploiting kind of the administrative state and their ability to manipulate some program and rewrite the law like he's like he was afforded kind of some kind of kingship.

00:44:44.260 But, you know, beyond that, like it is a win, but I don't think that lets the right off the hook of understanding like this is not a problem that's going away.

00:44:53.940 And if you don't rethink higher education and the way we credential people in the United States, you will complain you will continue to let your opponents train your children and put them into debt and destroy them and destroy their ability to have a family.

00:45:05.240 Well, just so they can have some, you know, college degree on their wall.

00:45:10.320 Brother, that's a homily.

00:45:11.800 I can't agree with every single consonant, vowel, vowel and syllable that you just uttered completely.

00:45:18.280 Well, the last thing I wanted to get to with you is the 4th of July here, right, because we we have that coming up tomorrow.

00:45:28.280 Many people be off.

00:45:29.560 They'll be celebrating.

00:45:30.580 There'll be the cookouts and the fireworks.

00:45:32.880 But it's it's a rough time for America.

00:45:35.980 Right.

00:45:36.320 We look at, you know, what happened last month.

00:45:39.760 We look at the White House draped in the pride flag. 0.90

00:45:43.060 We look at our service members saluting the pride flag.

00:45:46.820 Right. We've replaced the flag of the nation with a flag of empire.

00:45:52.180 Right. One of global conquest with a with a whole different set of values and a whole different constituency behind it.

00:46:00.280 And it's very difficult, I think, for a lot of people.

00:46:03.020 I grew up, you know, I was the son of a military officer.

00:46:05.920 I grew up on military bases.

00:46:07.500 A lot of my friends are service members.

00:46:10.300 I have a deep respect for the people who have fought for this country and sacrificed for this country and still feel.

00:46:16.820 I'm compelled to do so.

00:46:18.000 But I can understand the difficulty of looking at a nation that has been twisted like ours has.

00:46:24.840 And I'm feeling conflicted on these kind of patriotic holidays.

00:46:28.660 I believe I've heard you say this.

00:46:30.440 And some of my listeners might be surprised because they're not used to hearing it from somebody who who kind of has the level of notoriety you have in a more mainstream conservative setting.

00:46:39.680 But correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you said we, you know, we don't need to save this nation.

00:46:44.440 We need to defeat it.

00:46:45.640 Yeah.

00:46:45.740 And I just wonder, you know, how do you feel having said something like that?

00:46:50.720 How do you feel when you're looking at something like July 4th?

00:46:55.020 Well, like you, my wife's an army brat. 1.00

00:46:58.540 She was born on the, you know, in Nuremberg, West Germany at the time while her dad was stationed there.

00:47:05.140 My father-in-law, we just buried him with a full military funeral last August.

00:47:10.900 Career 101st Airborne.

00:47:12.840 Guy jumped out of planes and helicopters for a living for over 20 years.

00:47:16.840 And my new son-in-law, who bears my same first name, Stephen, he's in the National Guard right now.

00:47:23.860 So there's a lot of history and lineage and legacy with the armed forces and in our family.

00:47:33.100 And I am saying things right now.

00:47:36.940 I'm a child of the 80s man. 0.98

00:47:38.580 I grew up in the We're America, bitch 80s. 0.99

00:47:41.160 Okay. 0.97

00:47:41.380 And so this is not my native tongue.

00:47:45.900 It's, I have to be compelled here.

00:47:49.680 This is not my generational bias whatsoever.

00:47:52.440 In fact, I'm going against it.

00:47:55.620 But all my career, I have always done an Independence Day show.

00:48:02.060 A special July 4th show.

00:48:04.220 Looking back on our history, I have a longstanding recording of a great stage actor who passed away about 10 years ago,

00:48:12.740 who traveled the country doing John Adams from his own writings.

00:48:17.160 And I would play that every year on my show.

00:48:18.840 We'd look at the deciding vote for the Declaration of Independence.

00:48:23.040 Caesar Rodney was the deciding vote for the state of Delaware because it was going to be unanimous or nothing.

00:48:28.860 And Delaware was the last holdout.

00:48:30.220 And there were three people to a delegation.

00:48:34.560 And Rodney was home sick.

00:48:36.420 And he rode horseback through the night from Delaware to Philadelphia through violent thunderstorms, violent illness,

00:48:42.940 in order to get there to cast the deciding vote for the Delaware delegation.

00:48:47.820 So it would get to 13 to nothing.

00:48:49.600 Yes, they voted to ratify the Declaration of Independence.

00:48:52.000 And this is the first year ever I haven't done it.

00:48:57.180 Even in past years, I did it even when I wasn't feeling an Oran because there's a great line in the Man of Steel movie

00:49:03.700 when Jor-El and Zod both are angry at what's become of the government of Krypton.

00:49:09.460 And Zod breaks in with, like, some crazed, you know, armed militant military takeover.

00:49:17.640 And he thinks his old friend Jor-El is going to join him.

00:49:19.780 And Jor-El looks at him and says, I will honor the man you once were by not joining you in this.

00:49:25.080 And so I always felt like I'm going to – I'm at least going to still honor the country we once were

00:49:29.240 or were created to be by continuing to do this special episode every year.

00:49:34.140 We got to the end of last week, and I said to my co-hosts, Todd and Aaron,

00:49:39.720 I'm like, guys, we never plotted out our 4th of July show, and now we're off on the 3rd and the 4th.

00:49:47.140 Do we come back and do it on the 5th?

00:49:48.520 Well, then we'd actually preempt one of the most popular segments we do on the show every week.

00:49:52.640 And we just looked at each other and thought, number one, the fact that we weren't planning this out,

00:49:57.160 like weeks in advance kind of indicates just subconsciously where we are.

00:50:01.240 And then secondly, we all looked at each other and we're like,

00:50:03.360 we just don't have the heart and the energy to go and do this again.

00:50:07.120 It just doesn't – you know, I don't know if it's right.

00:50:12.080 I don't know if it's wrong.

00:50:13.840 But it's honest about where I am.

00:50:17.540 And, I mean, we are – we're one more debauched stripe on the rainbow flag, Oran,

00:50:25.720 from me kneeling at the national anthem now.

00:50:28.360 What am I standing up for? 0.72

00:50:31.180 Trainee madness, grooming, sodomy in the streets?

00:50:34.280 I don't care about any of that.

00:50:35.940 In fact, I'm opposed to it, you know?

00:50:38.200 So, I mean, are we playing two, three national anthems at the Super Bowl now?

00:50:44.720 I mean, I just –

00:50:46.240 Yeah, I was going to say which national anthem, which flag at this point, right?

00:50:49.900 Yes, yeah.

00:50:50.640 And so I'm just – you know, I'm really raw about this right now.

00:50:57.120 And I don't like doing things if it feels like I'm just kind of forcing it, you know?

00:51:01.180 I don't like contrivance, you know?

00:51:03.300 And it just felt like the fact that it wasn't – every year by the middle of June,

00:51:08.420 I'd already have my 4th of July show planned, what date we're going to do it and everything else.

00:51:12.120 This year, I didn't even think about it until the end of last week.

00:51:16.600 And then it was just like I'm not – I don't have the energy to force it.

00:51:19.440 I don't think it would be sincere.

00:51:20.600 I don't think it would be authentic.

00:51:21.640 I'd be just doing it to check a box, go through the motions.

00:51:24.700 And, you know, that's just kind of not what I'm about.

00:51:27.100 So, right or wrong, this is the first time in my career that we haven't done it.

00:51:31.780 Yeah, I think a lot of people feel that.

00:51:34.360 I know a lot of people feel that.

00:51:36.000 And, again, it's very difficult.

00:51:38.020 It's – you know, I grew up as a talk radio conservative.

00:51:40.240 You know, I grew up with – you know, as the son of a military officer.

00:51:46.180 It's very difficult to look at things this way.

00:51:49.220 I guess this would be my thought, right, personally, is it's important to care about our heritage, right?

00:51:57.740 It's important to care about something that is ours as a people and a nation.

00:52:04.260 And that means, I think, separating the nation from the empire.

00:52:08.740 And that means that we have to celebrate something very specific, which is who we are and who we were and hopefully who God will make us, right?

00:52:19.560 But separating ourselves from the regime now, separating us from the identity of those who are trying to wear this country like a skin suit and instead embracing our family, our faith.

00:52:32.340 Perhaps a focus on the local and the state, right, of the brave men and women, the people who are still carrying on life in places, you know, where they are attempting to protect kind of what they hold dear.

00:52:46.780 And so I'm not ready to give up on July 4th yet, but I do think you are absolutely right to say that it comes with very mixed feelings.

00:52:56.420 And I think many of us on the right, many of us who are, you know, who may be conservative have to have to rethink how how we approach this, because it is it is increasingly something where those in power are telling us we're no longer welcome.

00:53:11.180 We're no longer this is no longer our country now. Now we're the we're aliens here, but that's not the case at the end of the day.

00:53:19.320 This this is our nation. This is our land. You know, this this is these these are our families.

00:53:24.020 And I think it is it is still critical to find a way to celebrate them, even if that means finding new ways to kind of honor that ones that that aren't so directly connected to to kind of those that are now taking over this country and forcing it down a very terrible path.

00:53:41.580 Well, yeah, but sorry, guys, I know that wasn't the most uplifting one at the end there, but I just thought it was really important.

00:53:48.040 Like I said, I had heard I had heard you say that before, and I thought that was very interesting.

00:53:52.280 And so I did want to get your your thoughts on this because it's a very, very difficult holiday, I think, now for some.

00:53:58.400 But but one that I think still holds an important piece of who we are, even if America is something different at the end of this, we'll still be connected to that heritage.

00:54:08.020 And I think that that's really important. Well, Steve, of course, everybody should be checking out the Steve Day show.

00:54:14.900 Steve's got a great book, The Rise of the Fourth Reich, talking about everything that happened with a pandemic.

00:54:21.740 You should, of course, be checking those things out. But Steve, before we go check out the questions of the people, is there anything else people should be looking at?

00:54:30.020 Our movie nefarious. I'm wearing the shirts today. I actually intend to do that.

00:54:34.080 I just grabbed the first T-shirt I had in my drawer and it was this one, ironically.

00:54:37.660 But it's in streaming right now. It is doing very, very well.

00:54:42.980 And it it if it really gets into it.

00:54:48.020 Here's why I think your audience will love our movie.

00:54:51.240 You're going to watch a secular leftist who thinks he is the people we've been waiting for, that he has all of the answers.

00:54:59.440 He's.

00:55:00.740 And knows all there is to know.

00:55:02.340 And he is going to run into real evil, real demonic evil, his own sort of dark Yoda, if you will, who's going to show him the true origins of all the worst ideas he's ever had.

00:55:16.460 And it's going by the end of this movie.

00:55:18.220 It will wreck him.

00:55:19.660 Absolutely wreck him and cause him to reevaluate him, his his own spirituality, his place in the world, what is true and what is not.

00:55:27.360 And I think an audience like yours would absolutely love it.

00:55:30.900 And it's available right now on Amazon Prime, Google, YouTube, iTunes, Apple, Vudu, Salem Now, Roku.

00:55:39.740 It's called Nefarious. I think you'll love it.

00:55:41.780 Yeah, I was lucky enough to see that when you kind of screened it for some of the people at the blaze and really well done.

00:55:49.460 Very powerful, powerfully acted.

00:55:51.660 That's what really stood out to me.

00:55:53.220 Just just just a great movie.

00:55:54.660 So I encourage people to check that out.

00:55:56.680 But I think it's well worth your time, guys.

00:55:58.440 I think he's right.

00:55:59.020 You'll absolutely enjoy it.

00:56:00.320 So, yeah, the kind of horror movie that's got you thinking at the at the end.

00:56:05.340 So that's always good news.

00:56:07.200 All right.

00:56:07.580 So EC90 here.

00:56:09.540 Thank you very much for your chat, sir.

00:56:12.100 Karl Marx would have despised progressives.

00:56:14.540 Well, so, yeah, I think in many ways that's probably true.

00:56:17.280 Right.

00:56:17.560 Like they would have found it gross how easily they've cozied up to to to capital.

00:56:25.540 Right.

00:56:26.020 To capital would have in many ways have found, you know, some of the degeneracy that has now become a key part of the progressive movement.

00:56:33.880 A problem, though, to be fair, I do think sometimes people overstate this.

00:56:38.440 You know, Ingalls was talking about the need of to dismantle the family, you know, and so I wouldn't let the Marxists off too easy here with with being disgusted with the progressives.

00:56:49.680 But in many ways, I think you're right that that's true.

00:56:52.120 I think the problem that Marx has is when you reject the nature of God and the nature of man, you're just even if you're right about some things later on, it'll be from the wrong premise and the wrong.

00:57:06.600 And so his ideology that he espoused is impossible because of the spiritual condition of man.

00:57:14.420 All right. If we were if and ironically, someone who viewed history through the lens of a struggle between the powerful and the powerless, thinking that at some point when the powerless became powerful, that they would create some kind of utopia and not become the very essence of it ain't no fun when the rabbits got the gun.

00:57:32.980 That, again, that again is a misreading of human nature. And the reality is, if ultimately, if you do view history as a struggle between the powerful and the powerless, then what today's progressives have done is a more honest fulfillment of what Marx prophesied than even Marx prophesied himself.

00:57:50.820 They aligned with power to get the power they needed to no longer be powerless.

00:57:55.220 That is the human condition. And that that that that's really the history of our species short of the 247 years history of this country and a generation or two of the Old Testament Israel before its spiritual rebellion.

00:58:07.640 That is largely the history of our species governing one another and ourselves on this earth.

00:58:14.140 Yeah, whatever, whatever, whatever valid criticisms he may have had, like you said, that rejection of human nature just, of course, absolutely dooms the prod the project of and and basically just turned it into something that allowed people to try to to reconstruct natural hierarchies, invert natural hierarchies in a way that just destroys everything from families to religion to society itself.

00:58:37.520 And we're certainly feeling the the reverberate reverberation of that.

00:58:41.780 He must have forgot all the guillotines at the at the French Revolution after the French Revolution.

00:58:47.220 He forgot or have been really excited about them either.

00:58:49.740 That's very well said. There you go. I feel you. Yeah.

00:58:54.260 All right, guys. Well, we're going to go ahead and start wrapping this up.

00:58:58.440 I want to thank everybody who came by. And of course, I want to thank Steve, an excellent guest.

00:59:03.380 Of course, like I said, make sure you check out his show, his book, the movie, all really great.

00:59:08.660 Steve, thank you so much for coming on. It was a pleasure talking with you.

00:59:11.140 You bet, man. You're a very smart dude. You're one of the few people in this business.

00:59:15.600 I actually quote affirmatively. So thank you.

00:59:18.780 I thought it was great when we brought you on board and glad you're a part of the team.

00:59:21.980 So thanks for having me.

00:59:23.100 Thank you, man. Thank you, man. All right, guys.

00:59:24.740 Well, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

00:59:26.440 And as always, I will talk to you next time.

The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 03, 2023

Supreme Court Posting Its W's ｜ Guest： Steve Deace ｜ 7⧸3⧸23

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