The Auron MacIntyre Show - Terror on the Railway｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 9⧸8⧸25

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00:01:14.260 We've had a crazy weekend.

00:01:15.900 Plenty of news to address first.

00:01:18.800 There was a horrific stabbing on a train in North Carolina that has been completely ignored

00:01:25.100 by the wider media but has lit up social media.

00:01:28.680 I think a lot of people have recognized that as indicative of the wider problem in our country.

00:01:33.320 We'll be diving into that in a moment.

00:01:35.200 We're also going to talk about yet another GOP betrayal when it comes to immigration

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00:01:57.320 or could not stop drug trafficking in the United States.

00:02:00.100 Joining me to discuss all that is one of our favorite hosts, Jay Burden.

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00:02:04.900 Yeah, thank you so much for having me on, Aaron.

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00:03:10.240 So like I said, there has been, unfortunately, a tragic slaying of a woman on a train in North

00:03:18.120 Carolina.

00:03:19.220 Now, the video is rather horrific.

00:03:21.920 And so I can't show it on YouTube.

00:03:24.780 It'll definitely get the channel, you know, the episode blocked, monetized, all that stuff.

00:03:29.760 But you can kind of see what's happening here.

00:03:32.620 This young woman was a refugee from Ukraine.

00:03:37.720 Her name was, sorry, I had it right here.

00:03:42.300 Where do you go?

00:03:44.060 How am I pronouncing this now?

00:03:45.240 I'm having a difficult time.

00:03:46.240 I had it down beforehand.

00:03:47.900 Sorry.

00:03:49.800 Ariana Zoruzka.

00:03:52.540 I'm sorry.

00:03:52.980 I know I'm probably butchering that.

00:03:55.200 But she was a Ukrainian war refugee.

00:03:59.880 She came here with her family in 2022.

00:04:03.700 And she was on this train heading alone in it.

00:04:09.360 And, you know, just immediately got on her phone, was not paying attention to her surroundings

00:04:13.620 because she just sat down and assumed that she would be safe enough on a train like this.

00:04:19.320 And the man behind her is a 34-year-old who has been arrested 14 separate times, including

00:04:26.580 several violent felonies.

00:04:28.080 But for some reason, of course, was back out on the streets in North Carolina and completely

00:04:34.020 unprovoked.

00:04:34.740 There's no, you know, there's no altercation.

00:04:36.920 She didn't, you know, say something untoward to him.

00:04:40.080 There is absolutely no interaction previous to the one you're seeing now where he simply

00:04:46.140 out of nowhere pulls out this knife and just stabs this woman in the neck and walks along

00:04:52.180 the train with the blood just dripping off of the murder weapon across the ground.

00:04:57.780 Obviously, this has been completely ignored by the media.

00:05:01.960 They have had no interest in letting anyone know about this crime or the details or, you

00:05:07.280 know, circulating, obviously, the video or anything like that.

00:05:09.620 Because from what it would seem, there's just this complete, you know, senseless attack on

00:05:15.880 this on this young woman.

00:05:17.160 Many people are speculating a racial motivation.

00:05:19.780 There is a video in which he seems to say, I got that white girl, though it's difficult

00:05:25.140 to make out.

00:05:26.020 So I'm not going to assume immediately.

00:05:27.720 But either way, many people are asking about, you know, the races in this crime.

00:05:32.260 Obviously, you think of someone like George Floyd or other people who were supposed to

00:05:37.700 be black victims at the hands of a white police officer or you think of Ahmaud Arbery, you

00:05:44.640 know, one of one of these other scenarios and the outrage that came out of that.

00:05:47.940 But we heard almost zero outrage about this crime.

00:05:51.080 In fact, the media has been already lying about it when it finally started to report on

00:05:55.640 it.

00:05:55.800 But Jay, what has been your reaction?

00:05:58.120 What have you seen from people when it comes to this killing?

00:06:02.340 Yeah.

00:06:02.660 So as awful it is to say, while this story is new, it just happened.

00:06:10.820 Archetypically, this happens all the time, right?

00:06:14.320 Obviously, there were cases earlier this year of the white track star who was stabbed.

00:06:19.680 This happens quite often.

00:06:21.400 And unfortunately, we see a very common pattern.

00:06:25.220 There is a horrible, senseless killing.

00:06:29.920 And for political reasons, it is both selectively reported and, shall we say, selectively responded

00:06:36.900 to, right?

00:06:37.960 You may remember a few weeks back when there was a brawl in Cincinnati.

00:06:43.420 And we, as the public, we're getting hectored by the local law enforcement saying, this is

00:06:50.440 the problem.

00:06:51.220 Not that it happened, but that you are upset about it, that you were reacting to that.

00:06:56.340 Similarly, one of the things that we've noticed is, as you've said, mainstream media is very,

00:07:01.460 very reluctant to talk about this for somewhat obvious reasons.

00:07:04.940 But the framing on it is very interesting, right?

00:07:08.020 One of them is about the, it has reignited the debate about security cameras on public transport.

00:07:15.040 You know, it might color people's perception.

00:07:20.200 There's the message, yeah.

00:07:21.700 About, you know, it might kind of color the democratic process that there is footage of

00:07:26.220 these horrible events.

00:07:28.140 And to be honest, look, like journalists are, by and large, mendacious, right?

00:07:34.860 They're not participating in this system of ours, honestly, right?

00:07:39.600 Barely human, really.

00:07:41.720 Some upset.

00:07:42.780 Some upset.

00:07:43.120 And to me, this goes back to the idea that mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent,

00:07:51.340 right?

00:07:51.600 This young woman, look, not an American, right? 0.99

00:07:54.380 She's not a citizen of our country. 0.57

00:07:56.220 But nonetheless, in America, we are a civilized place, right?

00:08:00.640 You should be able to be generally assured of your own safety.

00:08:05.220 Now, is there a prudential aspect to that?

00:08:07.340 Sure.

00:08:08.080 But we are allegedly the richest, most powerful country in America.

00:08:14.080 And in such a place, you should be able to be pretty confident that there are not 14-time 0.79

00:08:21.580 felons running around with knives.

00:08:23.640 This is not some pie-in-the-sky dream of a utopia.

00:08:27.760 It's a baseline level of what can you expect from the authorities.

00:08:32.100 And I think authority is something that's worth talking about here, because traditionally

00:08:37.900 speaking, right, the sword of the king, right, his ability to enact violence, both domestically

00:08:44.400 and, you know, with other nations, came with responsibilities, right?

00:08:49.440 It was seen as having a responsibility over those who ruled.

00:08:53.760 And the problem is, we have lost that, right?

00:08:56.820 Sure, we technically still have a monopoly on violence.

00:08:59.720 Sure, we technically still have, you know, people in cities like Charlotte who are in charge.

00:09:04.640 But very clearly, they seem, they feel no responsibility to keep their citizens safe.

00:09:10.000 The baseline requirement of being in charge.

00:09:14.320 And again, it's awful.

00:09:16.540 This specific incidence is genuinely terrible, right?

00:09:19.740 It is a human tragedy.

00:09:21.840 But the fact that it was allowed to happen is unconscionable, right?

00:09:27.120 This is not something that should happen in a civilized society, let alone something that seems to happen,

00:09:32.900 I don't know, roughly two to three times a month in a country like America.

00:09:37.760 And look, again, I say this again, this is not utopian nonsense.

00:09:41.880 This is a baseline of what civilized societies experience.

00:09:45.960 And look, there is always murder.

00:09:47.760 There are always crimes.

00:09:48.860 And no matter how well run a society is, but this is very clearly not the product of a system working well, right?

00:09:57.660 This is, as we've said a million times, right?

00:10:00.620 The purpose of a system is what it does.

00:10:02.900 And it seems as if the purpose of the combination of our criminal justice and media is to create tensions,

00:10:10.780 excuse the product of those tensions, and then cover it up over and over and over again.

00:10:17.060 And at a certain point, right, it is going to produce the massive backlash we have seen in this instance,

00:10:26.700 in any of the other kind of prominent instances of, you know, racially motivated violence.

00:10:31.880 And fundamentally, it is wrong.

00:10:36.100 This is not acceptable behavior from both our rulers or these people involved.

00:10:42.460 And look, Aristotle said justice is everyone getting what they deserve.

00:10:46.580 Very clearly, you do not deserve to be subjected to this sort of violence simply for existing.

00:10:52.720 Anyway, that's sort of my take on it.

00:10:57.240 No, it's 100% right.

00:10:59.380 And, you know, a huge part of this is the number of times this criminal has been released, right?

00:11:06.280 14 separate arrests, several, not all of them violent felonies, but several of them are.

00:11:12.000 This is clearly a guy who should not be constantly wandering the streets.

00:11:17.660 I mean, he's 34 years old and he's already got that long of a rap sheet.

00:11:20.600 The very fact that he's been reintroduced to the public is an issue.

00:11:24.560 And like we said, I think it's safe to assume that there's a level of racial motivation in this,

00:11:30.180 though we do not know 100% for sure.

00:11:32.680 But what is certainly being a question here is the number of times that you would release a guy like this back in the public.

00:11:39.880 And that, we know for sure, is often based on race.

00:11:43.360 A lot of these efforts to have prison reform and, you know, make sure that we don't have an over-incarceration of Black Americans

00:11:49.840 so that we know that we're not racist, this is almost entirely driven by this social justice element.

00:11:55.100 It is extremely likely that the only reason this guy is back out on the streets is the narrative that we need to incarcerate fewer Black men.

00:12:02.140 And yet, here we are finding this guy with a poor refugee who, like you said, not an American citizen, but is under the protection of the United States.

00:12:11.520 You know, she is under the lawful protection of the United States.

00:12:14.980 She should be protected in this scenario.

00:12:17.240 And she fled the Ukraine war.

00:12:19.400 Like, she fled a country because it was too dangerous to live there.

00:12:22.680 And it turns out that actually the most dangerous thing that she could encounter was a repeat offender in the United States.

00:12:30.180 And so we have this scenario that, as you say, the story is now, oh, well, it's from the media is, oh, well, this is feeding the right-wing narrative on violence.

00:12:40.220 Not that the violence is a pattern we can obviously observe.

00:12:43.520 Not that that pattern is going unaddressed because it's specifically politically incorrect to recognize who is most likely to commit these crimes.

00:12:51.320 That Black-on-white crime is vastly more likely in the United States than white-on-black crime. 0.86

00:12:57.660 And the thing that they're panicking, and I've seen this not just with Axios but several media outlets, is the idea that because we can now see these things, because there are now cell phone cameras, and it's not just the public cameras, it's the fact that everybody has a camera in the pocket, we can see instances like the one we saw in Philly right there with those guys all beating up one white guy.

00:13:19.160 We can see things that we know are taking place that statistically are reflected in that, but now it's visceral.

00:13:24.780 It's showing up in our timelines.

00:13:26.040 The media can no longer curate what we are seeing from the streets when these things are occurring.

00:13:32.080 And so more and more often, people who maybe were willing to ignore crime statistics or assume that these were far-right talking points are now having these videos directly beamed in to their phones, directly put into their pockets and their hands.

00:13:48.480 They can't avoid them when they're schooling their social media.

00:13:50.900 These things are very difficult to ignore once the visceral crime is put in your face.

00:13:56.240 And this one is so horrific and so stunning, and the fact that if this had been, I mean, just think about the Shiloh Hendricks blow-up, right?

00:14:06.060 She just said the word.

00:14:07.680 She just said a blasphemy.

00:14:08.980 She did a blasphemy in the modern world. 1.00

00:14:11.180 And that was a massive, massive controversy.

00:14:14.600 It went through all of the media.

00:14:16.460 They were all reporting on the fact that this one white woman would use a term that's mean for someone who's stealing stuff out of her purse. 1.00

00:14:23.700 And this woman is brutally, absolutely brutally stabbed out of nowhere on a train and was just radio silence until we finally get a story.

00:14:33.380 And that story is, oh, isn't it a shame that people have cameras now that can observe the violence being done to people in the United States and they could notice a pattern.

00:14:43.340 And that's feeding a narrative, the narrative being reality.

00:14:46.980 That's the thing that they go to immediately.

00:14:48.720 Well, and additionally, right, when we talk about responsibility, like why did this happen?

00:14:56.840 Obviously, the apparent murderer is clearly responsible.

00:15:01.020 He did that, seems to have done a number of other things as well.

00:15:04.300 But at a certain point, it's reasonable to say, well, if this guy had, shall we say, exhibited a pattern of behavior, right, over and over and over again, done violent and horrible things.

00:15:18.420 Well, if you are the person in charge, right, the judge, an elected official, right, whose job it is to keep us safe, who lets that person back out and then that person continues the pattern they have established through their life of senseless acts of violence.

00:15:36.060 Well, it stands to reason that that person is similarly responsible, not in the same way.

00:15:42.360 They didn't literally kill that person, but they certainly enabled it.

00:15:46.380 And that's one of the things that I think has been interesting in this specific case, that the conversation has largely morphed.

00:15:52.860 Obviously, there is still the very justifiable outrage about this incident, but people are looking around and saying, well, why was this allowed to happen?

00:16:02.420 Because it wasn't like this was this guy's first offense.

00:16:06.180 As tragic it would be if he were a, you know, a Goldman Sachs investment banker who woke up one day and decided to kill someone.

00:16:13.700 Horrible, senseless attack.

00:16:15.460 But I couldn't really blame a judge for not throwing him in jail.

00:16:19.380 He hadn't done anything.

00:16:20.200 But in this case, right, we have quite literally dozens of instances of prior bad behavior culminating in a senseless loss of life that could have under a, I wouldn't say a sensible, like a moderately intelligent set form of government would have addressed this problem.

00:16:40.200 Again, we're not asking for some sort of pie in the sky, you know, just king, right, who will set everything right.

00:16:46.760 This is the most basic form of common sense.

00:16:50.800 And let's be honest, even from a, you know, a left wing perspective, right.

00:16:54.780 Assuming that sort of, of, you know, worldview, who is paying the price for this?

00:17:01.760 Quite literally, a single poor refugee.

00:17:06.020 Clearly, right, and we've seen this over and over again, the people who experience the consequences of progressive policies are first the poor, because they don't have the money to escape.

00:17:20.800 A wise poster once said that social status in America is signaled by the degree for which you can opt yourself out of the Civil Rights Act, right? 0.82

00:17:29.880 The ability for you to sort of skip the consequences of progressive governments.

00:17:35.800 And that is basically what it means to be middle or upper class in America, right?

00:17:40.360 The degree to which you are not subject to progressive governance.

00:17:44.440 And this is where it leads.

00:17:46.300 Have the right opinions about diversity, but the money to avoid the consequences of diversity, right?

00:17:50.960 Yes.

00:17:51.240 So, a couple things about what happened here.

00:17:55.600 As you said, you know, the system is clearly to blame here.

00:18:00.580 Obviously, this individual has demonstrated repeatedly that he's a danger to himself and the public.

00:18:08.800 And the fact that you have a system that would allow this person back on the streets tells you that the purpose of the system is clearly not to stop crime.

00:18:17.880 As you said, we're not asking for some kind of Lee Kuan Yew crackdown here.

00:18:22.060 Just basically, if a guy commits several felonies in a row, don't keep letting him out of prison.

00:18:28.640 Like, that seems pretty simple.

00:18:31.060 Like, a very obvious move.

00:18:34.300 But it gets much worse because, of course, the fact that this guy has done this will in no way gain him the death penalty, right?

00:18:42.280 Like, I don't think, I think North Carolina hasn't executed anyone in, like, 20 years at this point because we all know that, you know, the entire process is so slow.

00:18:51.320 So, we're going to be spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars, to house this guy for two decades, if you're lucky, where he might finally get exactly the kind of justice he deserves.

00:19:03.760 Now, this is a problem we could easily solve by the end of the week.

00:19:06.760 We have the video.

00:19:07.920 We know what happened.

00:19:08.940 There are no questions here about guilt.

00:19:10.760 It's all right there.

00:19:12.660 But the entire system is designed very specifically to keep this animal alive and to basically shuffle off this victim, right?

00:19:20.820 That she should have no voice, no preference.

00:19:23.620 You know, if the CRS is still operating at this point, which is apparently they're still funded, the Community Relations Service of the Civil Rights Division,

00:19:32.580 they were still funded because President Trump's budget did not go through.

00:19:37.900 That was not a fix to the one big, beautiful bill.

00:19:41.620 So, if they're still operating, I don't believe they're still operating in the exact same capacity.

00:19:46.360 The Trump administration has changed their mission and downsized their personnel.

00:19:51.680 But that would be their job, right, previously, is to walk in and basically make this instance go away while this guy becomes a ward of the state for the rest of his life and your money is spent keeping him alive and feeding him while this poor woman is completely slaughtered. 0.98

00:20:05.520 And as you said, in the leftist paradigm, you would think that the refugee status would matter, certainly if there was some poor guy who is a refugee from Palestine and was suddenly stabbed in the middle of the street by, you know, angry MAGA hat guy.

00:20:20.160 And one of the leftists, crazy little, you know, this is MAGA country type fantasies.

00:20:25.260 If that had occurred, then clearly we would be burning down cities right now.

00:20:28.960 This would be the only story that mattered for for weeks and weeks and weeks on end.

00:20:33.040 And instead, basically the entire apparatus of law enforcement and the media is aligned in their efforts to basically sweep this under the rug, make it no real issue, not notice the problem.

00:20:46.080 And again, the governor of the state talked about how the justice system had failed to capture this person.

00:20:51.080 But that's obviously not true.

00:20:52.300 He had been arrested so many times over.

00:20:54.860 Everyone knew who this guy was.

00:20:56.780 Everybody knew what was going to happen if he continued to be turned out on the streets.

00:21:01.040 And yet here we are once again staring down a situation that was imminently avoidable.

00:21:06.040 And the only conclusion you can come to is whether they willed this direct thing or not.

00:21:10.840 This is exactly the kind of outcome the system is exists to produce.

00:21:16.080 Well, definitely.

00:21:17.800 And I think it's worth saying that modern progressive ideas about criminal justice, right, focusing on rehabilitation, right, giving someone chances over and over and over again, a, should we say, stringent opposition to the death penalty, they're not new, right?

00:21:35.900 We have been running this experiment since the 60s.

00:21:40.620 And for basically everyone, things have gotten worse.

00:21:44.820 Crime is significantly worse.

00:21:47.660 As you mentioned, right, in that article from Axios, people say, oh, well, violent crime is down, right?

00:21:53.780 The question is, well, since when, right?

00:21:56.040 Since its peak in the 1990s, sure, technically, right?

00:21:59.820 But you compare that to the sort of pre-progressive America, right, before the mid-60s, and it is dramatically up, right?

00:22:09.720 These are not new ideas.

00:22:11.560 They're, in many cases, recycled bad ideas of yesteryear, right?

00:22:16.240 We have seen this game played out over and over and over again.

00:22:19.800 So when discussing this, and look, I understand people are coming to ideas at different times.

00:22:23.940 They may not be as familiar with as many cases as you and I are on.

00:22:27.720 It's important to note that you do not have to grant these progressive judges, these progressive legal advocates, the moral high ground.

00:22:35.840 Because their experiment has been run over and over and over again, and it has resulted in pointless human suffering.

00:22:42.860 If this man had been apprehended a decade ago, this young woman would still be alive, right?

00:22:47.980 If we had been able to enact, you know, again, relatively sensible criminal policy, this man would be in jail for the rest of his life.

00:22:58.540 And this never would have happened.

00:23:01.060 But instead, right, there are new variables, or relatively speaking, that ought to be weighed against justice.

00:23:07.780 And as we know from politics, right, politics doesn't brook an and.

00:23:12.140 When it's justice and something else, that and something else ends up winning.

00:23:17.420 And that's what we have.

00:23:18.620 We no longer have a justice system, right?

00:23:21.140 We have a managerial system that is designed to fudge the numbers to reach a desired state.

00:23:27.100 And if you happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, and you were stabbed in the back for literally no reason, well, guess what?

00:23:35.480 It doesn't matter.

00:23:36.400 Because, again, the purpose of the system is no longer justice, right?

00:23:40.000 It is to achieve certain desired ends.

00:23:42.920 And as we've seen in this case with, I believe, the mayor of the city this took place in, you know, any number of these local officials,

00:23:50.740 that they view this as acceptable casualties on the way to achieving their slightly blurry vision of a progressive future.

00:23:59.720 Yeah, this woman is just one of many sacrifices on the altar of social justice. 1.00

00:24:05.700 And that altar is getting bloodier and bloodier and bloodier by the day.

00:24:10.020 And it's also very difficult for people to not notice that this violence tends to go one way.

00:24:14.960 A couple weeks ago, of course, we saw that couple brutally beat down because, you know, they may have offended a black man.

00:24:23.680 And then we have, obviously, you know, all the other cases that we've been cited recently with the track star being killed and all of these different scenarios.

00:24:32.960 It's very clear that there is a permissibility in the violence that is allowed inside the United States and what gets politicized, what gets advertised, what makes headlines and those kind of things.

00:24:45.700 And when, like we said, that the noticing of it, the recording of it, the fact that it's now visible to everyone is being treated as the problem.

00:24:52.720 You sent this to me before the show, a story about Canada basically banning not just, of course, the different instruments of self-defense, but also cameras that see too far beyond properties because they're in a scenario where these are obviously reviewing.

00:25:10.460 They're revealing too many crimes.

00:25:12.260 They're making it too easy to know what's going on, see who's doing and committing these crimes.

00:25:18.060 That was the same problem that Axios brought up in their article.

00:25:21.140 And so consistently we see that it's not the commission of the crime that is the issue.

00:25:25.840 It's not the dynamics inside, racial or otherwise, inside the crimes that are allowed.

00:25:31.220 It's the capturing of the crimes.

00:25:33.320 It's the fact that they could be noticed and shared on social media that that narrative could ultimately break.

00:25:39.720 These are really the issues, right?

00:25:41.440 And so it's not about solving the violence.

00:25:43.580 It's not about acknowledging the violence.

00:25:44.960 It's not through, you know, working with the community or policing or any of these things.

00:25:49.000 It's just that the right is getting vindicated.

00:25:52.580 And that's the real problem.

00:25:53.800 The right has noticed this.

00:25:55.140 They've talked about these problems.

00:25:56.800 And that is the worst thing that could possibly occur for the media.

00:26:01.180 A few, you know, dead white girls are really just inconsequential at the end of the day. 1.00

00:26:06.560 Well, and I think that's why this headline from Axios frames the issue perfectly, right?

00:26:13.020 The thing that we are to be upset about, right?

00:26:17.340 The sort of subject of this sentence.

00:26:19.660 Well, sure, you know, the grizzly stabbing is mentioned.

00:26:23.000 But the real problem is that it fuels MAGA's crime message, right?

00:26:26.680 That is the real evil.

00:26:28.100 Instead of the fact that someone, again, was senselessly murdered, right?

00:26:33.500 And okay, sure, it might fuel a political narrative that is ultimately bad.

00:26:37.580 But shouldn't the main concern be ensuring that people aren't in grizzly Charlotte stabbings,

00:26:44.860 right?

00:26:45.220 Again, you know, call me a starry-eyed liberal here.

00:26:47.980 But it seems as if, you know, the point is to live in a, you know, safe and prosperous nation,

00:26:54.120 right, regardless of how that affects, you know, quote-unquote MAGA crime messages.

00:26:59.600 It's absurd, right?

00:27:01.060 And very clearly, these people do not have your best interest at heart, right?

00:27:06.000 If it were you, you know, dear listener, they would be reacting the same way, right?

00:27:11.340 It sure is a shame that this horrible murder is inconvenient for us politically, right?

00:27:16.660 Again, these people are not good people.

00:27:21.280 I'll leave it at that.

00:27:21.920 Yeah, and again, it's not just in the United States, of course.

00:27:25.540 We see this in a place like the UK, where over and over again, no matter how many women 1.00

00:27:31.320 are raped, no matter how many little girls are stabbed, the stories are always about the

00:27:36.360 dangers of the right-wing backlash, right?

00:27:38.300 Well, eventually, the right-wing will see what's going on, and they will rise up, and that will

00:27:43.680 be the problem.

00:27:44.280 That's the real worry that you have.

00:27:46.240 And so rather than, say, stopping all immigration from Pakistan or cracking down on these rape 1.00

00:27:53.180 gangs or, you know, violence in the UK, all the stories are about how we're going to censor

00:27:59.220 Facebook so these videos don't get shared, how we're going to arrest people making posts

00:28:03.780 about immigrant crime so that people don't know. 0.90

00:28:06.680 And so more and more, the entire anarcho-tyranny archetype shows itself, where it's illegal

00:28:13.360 to tape these things happening.

00:28:16.440 It's illegal to share them or talk about them in places like the UK.

00:28:19.980 In the United States, it's illegal to defend yourself.

00:28:22.860 I mean, Daniel Penny very narrowly avoided spending lots of time in prison for trying to

00:28:28.540 protect people on his subway train from violence.

00:28:33.120 It's ultimately probably still had his life ruined in a lot of ways by having that level

00:28:37.900 of exposure.

00:28:39.120 And so over and over again, we see that these forces exist not to stop crime, not to stop

00:28:45.100 the violence, not to stop the murder, but to stop people from stopping it, to stop vigilantes,

00:28:51.040 to stop, you know, concerned citizens, to stop people who are protesting, stop people from

00:28:56.280 simply doing basic journalism and sharing what's going on out there.

00:28:59.960 The state is actively working to make it illegal to reveal the nature of the crime while looking

00:29:06.800 to enable the crime through their own policies.

00:29:09.780 And it's across every one of these governments.

00:29:12.640 It's a little worse in the UK than here in the US.

00:29:15.700 Luckily, none of us are going to jail today for talking about this attack.

00:29:19.740 But in the UK, we certainly could have, right?

00:29:21.620 Like that could be a very real possibility.

00:29:24.080 And if you try to protect yourself in these scenarios, we've already seen what can happen.

00:29:28.200 So we have a situation where the entire system is working, again, not in any interest of

00:29:34.240 the people, not in the interest of reducing the crime, nothing about what it's actually

00:29:37.680 supposed to be doing as a sovereign state.

00:29:40.280 Instead, its goal is to basically hamstring its native population from taking any kind of

00:29:46.020 action on these scenarios and ultimately, you know, favoring different client groups.

00:29:52.620 Now, in the United States, in this scenario, obviously, ironically, sadly, the woman was

00:29:58.040 a refugee herself, an actual war refugee, as where the UK dynamics are often different.

00:30:05.980 But either way, the point is, especially in the United States, they're going to look at

00:30:10.360 the racial aspect of the crime, even if this woman had a status as a refugee, even from one

00:30:16.080 of the favorite wars that the left has right now, right?

00:30:18.120 Every Ukrainian is a victim. 1.00

00:30:19.400 They're all fleeing the evil Vladimir Putin, who's trying to conquer the world.

00:30:22.900 But even that is not enough because she's white and he's black. 0.99

00:30:25.740 At the end of the day, those identities are far more important than refugee, you know, 0.99

00:30:30.180 a woman being a victim of a man.

00:30:32.380 You know, none of that matters.

00:30:33.460 None of the normal leftist archetypes apply because the ultimate one is really race at the

00:30:39.020 end of the day.

00:30:40.640 Well, definitely.

00:30:41.260 And it shows you how cynically these people are used, right?

00:30:46.600 You can imagine if the story were different, right?

00:30:49.500 If the same woman was, you know, perchance on television or on a viral post to social

00:30:54.480 media, she would be the cause celeb, right? 0.71

00:30:57.040 She would be, you know, an icon of this great foreign war where we need to send billions 0.88

00:31:02.240 of dollars to, you know, fight the evil Ruskies. 1.00

00:31:04.920 But, right, when it comes to something that actually matters, right, her right to or her,

00:31:10.760 you know, protection from, you know, insane knife murderers, well, she's discarded, right?

00:31:17.760 The loyalty of the left is fleeting, right?

00:31:20.740 They very clearly do not actually care about these people, right?

00:31:24.520 If they cared about these people, they would want justice to be done.

00:31:27.800 No, it is a very, it's a cynical power play.

00:31:30.360 And as you mentioned, right, race is very, very close to, you know, the center of their

00:31:36.440 political game, right?

00:31:37.900 It's sort of the grist to the political mill, right, that they sort of tactically use to

00:31:42.400 inflame tensions.

00:31:44.340 And look again, right, it works, it generates political power, but at what cost?

00:31:50.980 And as we've seen here, we've seen in Waukesha, we saw in, I mean, almost any American city you

00:31:57.100 can think of, there has been an incident, right, explicitly motivated by racial violence.

00:32:02.440 This tears a country apart.

00:32:04.680 Very clearly, this is tearing a country apart.

00:32:07.220 And it didn't have to be like this, right?

00:32:09.940 We could have had a sensible, sane country, but there was an active decision, decision to

00:32:16.940 make things worse, to increase cynically political power.

00:32:21.260 And I think that's what can't be lost in this, right?

00:32:23.440 Some people, when talking about this, they're like, oh, this is simply part and parcel of

00:32:27.100 living in a city.

00:32:28.040 Why were you on public transportation anyway, right?

00:32:30.720 Don't you know that bad things happen there?

00:32:32.620 And it's like, well, sure, right?

00:32:35.200 But we don't have to live like this, right?

00:32:37.720 Our ancestors did not.

00:32:39.920 This was a decision to allow this to happen.

00:32:42.840 And as we've seen, right, in the past several months, you can just do things.

00:32:47.160 You can decide things are no longer acceptable.

00:32:50.640 We don't have to live like this.

00:32:52.420 This is not an inevitability, which is so irritating in the framing, right?

00:32:57.280 Quite literally, we don't have to put up with this.

00:33:00.920 I mean, in certain states, will they ever get rid of it?

00:33:03.900 Very likely not.

00:33:05.080 But this is optional.

00:33:06.720 And if there were the will to put it to an end, it would be put to an end.

00:33:11.360 This woman's death is absolutely a policy decision, right?

00:33:14.320 Like if there's a very, there's a very, it's not that we don't know how to solve this.

00:33:18.160 It's not like it's a mystery.

00:33:19.540 How do we prevent this type of crime?

00:33:21.160 Oh, what could it all mean?

00:33:22.780 No, we know exactly how this works and exactly how to do it.

00:33:26.000 And our leaders decided to do something else.

00:33:28.520 They decided to make a separate decision that they knew would end in the death of innocent

00:33:32.880 people.

00:33:33.280 And they did it anyway, because it works with their narrative when it comes to race and

00:33:38.140 crime.

00:33:38.460 And I think it's also important, you know, like you said, constantly we hear from the

00:33:43.440 left, oh, stupid maggot chuds. 1.00

00:33:45.560 Why are they scared of cities?

00:33:46.880 You know, just, you know, it's just a bus.

00:33:48.820 Are you really worried about being on a bus?

00:33:50.720 Are you really worried about being on a subway?

00:33:52.700 You know, these are mocking posts made all the time by liberal urbanites, you know, trying

00:33:57.340 to play down the scenario.

00:33:59.180 And the answer is, well, yes, obviously you should be.

00:34:01.880 If this woman had been a little more worried about public transportation, she might be 0.99

00:34:05.580 alive today.

00:34:06.780 If she had paid more attention, if she had known who she was supposed to sit next to

00:34:11.180 and who she wasn't, no matter how politically incorrect it was, this woman might be alive

00:34:15.680 today.

00:34:15.980 And this is not to blame her at all, but to be very clear that the pressure put on people

00:34:21.260 in the United States to ignore these dangers, the propaganda that is placed out there to

00:34:25.980 try to play down what is happening in the United States means that a lot of people get killed

00:34:31.040 because they think it's more important to avoid being labeled racist or avoid being labeled

00:34:36.260 scared of a city than it is, you know, to actually survive these encounters.

00:34:40.520 And tragically, that's one of the scenarios here.

00:34:43.700 But speaking of betrayal and making places extremely unsafe, here is a recent post from

00:34:52.640 the Lieutenant Governor of Ohio.

00:34:55.260 He was talking about how excited he was to welcome the now 40, or sorry, not in Ohio,

00:35:03.760 Indiana.

00:35:04.620 And he was excited to talk about how he was welcoming these 40,000 asylum seekers from Haiti

00:35:12.980 into Indiana.

00:35:14.520 Now, the interesting thing is that Beckwith had previously posted about his desire to

00:35:20.760 avoid having Haitian migrants in his state, how there needed to be steps taken to prevent 1.00

00:35:27.340 this type of immigration from occurring, from having large-scale Haitian communities drop

00:35:31.600 into the state of Indiana.

00:35:33.660 What are they doing in the Midwest?

00:35:35.420 Why are we just dropping 40,000 people into these states?

00:35:39.420 These are the questions that defined the election of Donald Trump, right?

00:35:43.020 Right before the election, the fact that the Springfield story and all of the immigrants 1.00

00:35:49.140 coming in there, and they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats.

00:35:51.640 These became iconic parts of the Trump campaign.

00:35:55.700 And they echoed in people's minds when they went to the polls.

00:35:58.440 And it was no small contributor to Trump's overall victory.

00:36:02.940 So the fact that right after Trump gets elected, the lieutenant governor of Indiana turns around

00:36:10.260 and betrays his own voters, saying the exact opposite of what he had said before, is insane.

00:36:16.360 To be clear, to put this in context for people, I took a look at the top 31 cities in Haiti.

00:36:22.680 And as you might imagine, they're not huge.

00:36:24.700 So like the median city size for the largest cities in Haiti is 40,000 people, roughly.

00:36:31.300 It's like 41,000 people.

00:36:33.060 So we basically dropped like one of Haiti's largest cities worth of people into Indiana.

00:36:39.940 And that's just Indiana.

00:36:41.900 Imagine how many Haitians are in the entire nation right now. 1.00

00:36:45.360 Imagine how many Haitian immigrants are now in the United States.

00:36:49.420 But here is a GOP lieutenant governor who had previously talked about the danger of this

00:36:54.600 type of immigration, talking about how excited he is to bring these people inside.

00:36:59.480 Now, he actually was forced to delete not just this post, but every post related to what

00:37:04.680 was going on here because the backlash was so overwhelming.

00:37:07.400 It started with locked comments and then completely deleted everything.

00:37:10.900 But it's just insane that even now, GOP officials are directly betraying their voters after this

00:37:19.020 was one of the most major issues in the presidential election that propelled Donald Trump back in

00:37:23.340 the White House.

00:37:24.860 Well, and that's a valid point, right?

00:37:27.040 Because if you were, shall we say, just a dispassioned observer, right?

00:37:32.580 You were not heavily involved one way or another.

00:37:35.420 You look at it and say, OK, well, the Republican Party, of which I am a member, has been propelled

00:37:42.200 to, shall we say, generational success off the backs of anti-immigration sentiment, right?

00:37:47.680 We don't want that, OK?

00:37:49.340 Except that premise.

00:37:50.600 What am I going to do?

00:37:52.400 I'm going to post to Twitter about the tens of thousands of people I'm bringing as a Republican,

00:37:59.300 again, to my Midwestern area.

00:38:01.900 Will that go well?

00:38:02.960 Yes or no?

00:38:03.540 So this is not a surprise, right?

00:38:05.120 But it indicates, one, that these people feel very comfortable stabbing us in the back,

00:38:11.100 right?

00:38:11.420 They don't see that anyone should be upset about it, clearly, right?

00:38:15.580 This is not something you would do if you were expecting a backlash.

00:38:19.020 Now, look, maybe Micah Beckwith is extraordinarily stupid.

00:38:23.280 That's a distinct possibility, right?

00:38:25.640 I think it's a pretty safe bet, yeah.

00:38:27.260 Yeah, I know.

00:38:28.120 OK, you know, only the best political analysis here, right?

00:38:31.700 But additionally, I think it indicates a very dismissive attitude that GOP elites, right,

00:38:38.320 the Republican types, have towards their voters, where simply they don't take us very

00:38:43.020 seriously at all, right?

00:38:44.700 They'll say whatever they need to during the campaign trail, but when it's time to actually

00:38:49.040 govern, well, it's straight back to Chamber of Commerce, mass migration, same as normal, 0.85

00:38:54.620 because we've all been assured it helps the line go up.

00:38:58.280 Again, right, it's why you can't trust these people, because clearly the moment they have

00:39:03.840 the opportunity to betray their voters, they will, even in a case like this, right, which

00:39:09.140 is, again, stupid, this isn't, you know, some grand, you know, Machiavellian scheme, right?

00:39:15.240 It's dumb.

00:39:16.500 We've, again, like we mentioned earlier when discussing criminal justice, we've seen this

00:39:22.240 played out before, right?

00:39:23.780 I'm sure you remember all the way last year, right, the eating dogs and cats saga, right?

00:39:30.680 The even relatively minor, but very tangible consequences of, you know, importing people 1.00

00:39:36.540 with a dramatically different culture, right, with a dramatically different sense of what

00:39:40.860 it is to be a citizen, right?

00:39:43.660 What is acceptable behavior in public?

00:39:46.200 And to see, allegedly, our represented elected leaders, right, making the same mistake after

00:39:52.860 we have just gone through months and months of reiterating why that's a bad idea, I mean,

00:39:58.420 one, it's disheartening.

00:39:59.900 And two, it's just a reminder that Republicans are, by and large, not your friends either.

00:40:06.540 Because they will do things like this.

00:40:09.640 It's, it really is just the brazenness of it.

00:40:12.200 Like you said, this is very stupid.

00:40:13.520 This is not 40 chess.

00:40:15.000 This is not some guy cleverly hiding.

00:40:17.140 I'm, I'm, I'm almost more insulted about how lazy this is than anything else.

00:40:22.300 It's not like this was some, you know, disconnected, like, ah, can you believe the GOP did this thing

00:40:28.720 again?

00:40:29.100 Or can you believe that they're weak on this thing again?

00:40:30.940 This is very specifically, exactly what Donald Trump was elected to stop.

00:40:36.880 This was the controversy leading up to the election.

00:40:41.040 This was the issue that propelled him, among others, to the presidency.

00:40:46.500 It could not have been more clear.

00:40:48.200 It was even about specifically Haitian migrants in another state.

00:40:52.220 It is clear that this is not what your voters want.

00:40:54.800 It's clear that this is what the president of the United States promised to stop.

00:40:59.700 And here you are a few months later, just a few months later into this presidency being

00:41:05.560 like, oh, no, just kidding.

00:41:06.720 Like completely reversing this position.

00:41:09.020 Everything I said beforehand, all of the stances I took to try to look tough on immigration, 0.85

00:41:13.260 all this stuff, just completely betraying with, without hesitation, without blinking my,

00:41:18.920 my entire voter base.

00:41:20.140 And for what?

00:41:21.460 Who is he courting here?

00:41:24.200 Because there's a reason politicians do stuff like this.

00:41:27.040 It's because they want these people as voters.

00:41:29.820 So he's talking to these people who are never going to vote for him, but he's talking to them

00:41:34.620 and trying to court them as if they are now part of his constituency.

00:41:38.300 So the whole promise was they weren't going to be part of his constituency.

00:41:42.120 They're supposed to be refugees.

00:41:45.000 They're supposed to be temporary.

00:41:46.240 They are not supposed to be American citizens with voting rights and the ability to compel 0.99

00:41:50.400 our politicians to do anything.

00:41:52.080 But he's here kowtowing to this community because he knows, just like any other politician,

00:41:57.140 that 40,000 votes is 40,000 votes.

00:41:59.380 And these people aren't going anywhere.

00:42:00.980 And he knows it.

00:42:02.080 And more importantly, more insultingly, like I said, these aren't even going to be his natural

00:42:06.900 voters.

00:42:07.360 Most of these people are never going to vote for him in their lives.

00:42:09.960 But he's still kowtowing to them.

00:42:11.860 Why?

00:42:12.140 It's very obvious because the GOP buys into the racial and immigrant narrative, the refugee 0.98

00:42:18.460 narrative that the left is pushing.

00:42:20.760 That's their actual belief system.

00:42:22.800 They don't care about your national sovereignty.

00:42:24.580 They don't care about the safety of your community.

00:42:26.560 They don't care about the cohesiveness of your community.

00:42:29.140 They don't care about the jobs.

00:42:30.420 They don't care about the housing prices skyrocketing.

00:42:33.200 They don't care.

00:42:34.520 They do not care about this stuff.

00:42:35.860 They would much rather have someone pat them on the head and say, oh, good boy, you weren't

00:42:39.800 racist, you were nice to the foreigners, then pretend like he cares about the people in

00:42:45.180 his state at all.

00:42:46.600 Indiana doesn't mean anything to him.

00:42:48.720 Nice stories in the New York Times mean something to him.

00:42:51.580 So he can go around and tell people, big donors, look, look at this community I'm courting.

00:42:57.060 Don't I have great PR with these people?

00:42:59.080 That's what he cares about.

00:43:00.060 Not the people actually living in a state in the slightest.

00:43:02.380 Well, and this is why one of the common themes that seems to come up almost every time I'm

00:43:08.340 on your show is denying the left moral legitimacy, because we have lived under a conservative

00:43:14.040 movement who is effectively surrendered their moral center to their enemies, right?

00:43:20.380 It's men like this, right?

00:43:22.240 Who oppose the left-wing narrative on, shall we say, a technical level, right?

00:43:27.860 They think, well, there's a better way to accomplish these same ends.

00:43:31.140 And ultimately, they have surrendered what they view as virtuous, what they view as a

00:43:36.840 desirable end goal.

00:43:38.640 And so they are completely and totally owned, right?

00:43:41.940 They are house conservatives.

00:43:43.320 They have a ring in their nose, and the DNC leads them around by it.

00:43:47.000 And so we shouldn't be shocked that they produce the same results, because ultimately, they have

00:43:51.600 the exact same priorities.

00:43:54.020 They serve the same masters.

00:43:55.700 They're just a little more tepid about it.

00:43:57.680 And so it's why, right, you look at these people and you say, if this is what we've got, there is no

00:44:03.280 solution, because they don't want a solution, right?

00:44:06.460 They love, even if they don't say it, right, the system as it exists, right?

00:44:11.140 They are very happy being the Washington generals of politics, as Bogbeef said, right, of being the

00:44:18.740 losers who still get to collect the scraps from around the periphery of red America. 0.95

00:44:25.400 And clearly, people like you and I are unhappy about that, right?

00:44:31.080 Our voters, right, the kind of people who propelled the MAGA movement to success are unhappy with

00:44:38.460 that.

00:44:39.060 And it's clear from looking at the evidence on the ground that the Republicans have not learned

00:44:44.540 that lesson.

00:44:45.580 They ought to.

00:44:47.220 I'll leave it at that.

00:44:48.080 So speaking of the beautiful losers, the only people who are more embarrassing than the GOP in

00:44:55.140 this area are the libertarians.

00:44:58.340 So just for people who are unfamiliar with the framing of this, the saga that is an unfurled

00:45:04.880 over the last few days, the Trump administration struck a boat entering the United States.

00:45:10.960 It was still in international waters when it was hit.

00:45:13.180 And the boat allegedly had drugs on it.

00:45:17.260 It was a drug running boat from a cartel.

00:45:20.000 Eleven people were killed.

00:45:22.020 Now, obviously, the left freaks out.

00:45:25.080 Oh, Trump is murdering people.

00:45:27.340 He's blowing up fishermen, whatever, like all the stuff you'd expect because they're the 0.99

00:45:30.880 left.

00:45:32.020 But the libertarians also are taking the same account, right?

00:45:36.640 Because any action of strength in any way, it has to be illegitimate, right?

00:45:41.340 They're always looking for an option to be contrarian.

00:45:44.040 That's what really matters.

00:45:45.680 And so we see here the interaction with J.D.

00:45:48.980 Vance says killing cartel members who poison our fellow citizens is the highest and best

00:45:53.440 use of our military.

00:45:55.220 Yes, it is nice to actually use the military to protect American borders.

00:46:00.240 I know this is crazy.

00:46:01.340 I know a lot of people, including libertarians, don't think that's what the actual purpose

00:46:05.980 of the military is for.

00:46:06.960 But actually, if you're going to have one purpose for the military, it is stopping bad

00:46:12.440 people from crossing into our country.

00:46:14.800 It's literally like what all militaries were founded to do at the beginning.

00:46:19.900 Especially because, Oren, you may remember the distant past of, I don't know, like three

00:46:31.460 months ago, right?

00:46:32.840 When all of the libertarians in the world were freaking out about how we had sent bombers

00:46:37.680 to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, right?

00:46:41.800 This is completely illegitimate.

00:46:43.360 And you and I seem to agree on that point, right?

00:46:46.600 We were not in support of those strikes.

00:46:48.320 But we do have a military.

00:46:49.860 And the question arises, well, what is a legitimate use of that?

00:46:53.520 Is it not for the benefit of the people who pay for it, right?

00:46:58.620 Isn't that why we have it?

00:47:00.220 And look, I've agreed with many libertarian critiques of the global war on terror, right?

00:47:05.480 Of the excesses of the American empire.

00:47:07.560 But the idea, and you even see that in the quote you put up, right?

00:47:11.860 The idea of war crimes, where it's like war is a legislative process, where you need to

00:47:19.900 seek general approval.

00:47:21.380 It's like, well, no, war is what a nation does, right?

00:47:24.560 In its acting in its own best interest.

00:47:26.540 And clearly, we have had the worst of both worlds, where we have both completely and totally

00:47:30.840 disregarded the rules-based international order, in quotes, right?

00:47:35.000 We've disregarded the rules of war and didn't even do it in our own interest, right?

00:47:40.420 Didn't even do it in such a way that benefited the people who were paying for it, right?

00:47:44.620 That benefited the people of America.

00:47:46.220 And look, man, like, do I think that blowing up this one boat is really going to make a

00:47:51.140 lot of difference in the grand scheme of things?

00:47:53.280 Not really.

00:47:54.160 I mean, I don't know how much fentanyl you can fit on a 12-person boat, but I mean, roughly

00:47:58.780 one boat worth.

00:48:00.180 Yeah, yeah, exactly, right?

00:48:01.540 A lot less now.

00:48:02.480 This isn't like the final nail in the coffin of the war on drugs, but it is a sign, right?

00:48:08.900 That the military can be used for things that actually benefit us, which is, as far as I

00:48:14.700 can think, other than maybe a couple air shows, not really happened in my entire life.

00:48:21.400 Yeah, it's amazing because obviously, as you say, you and I are not war hawks here.

00:48:26.740 Like, we have made many, many cases for reduced intervention.

00:48:30.500 The United States being extremely careful with what type of strikes it actually engages in

00:48:36.680 and what other countries it allies with when it does those.

00:48:41.580 And the thing that I keep warning, I said this to libertarians at the time when I had

00:48:45.840 them on to discuss this, like, I want to make it clear.

00:48:47.840 I am not anti-war.

00:48:49.440 Like, I know that's your thing.

00:48:50.960 I'm not anti-war because I think war is a constant. 0.84

00:48:54.120 I'm not pro-war.

00:48:54.840 I'm not anti-war.

00:48:55.820 War is. 0.55

00:48:56.660 It is part of the human condition.

00:48:58.440 Sometimes you will have just wars.

00:48:59.740 Sometimes you will have unjust wars.

00:49:01.460 I think we have too many unjust wars now that we shouldn't engage in.

00:49:04.920 But I am not constitutionally against the idea of any kind of conflict.

00:49:10.260 And very importantly, when you're striking a boat in international waters that is trying

00:49:14.940 to cross into your country, I think that's a pretty legitimate deployment of violence. 1.00

00:49:19.320 Like, it's not like you went to Venezuela and put troops on the ground and started striking

00:49:23.500 their cartels.

00:49:24.240 It's not like you bombed innocent villages.

00:49:26.300 You know, there's all this collateral damage from hospitals and schools next to drug cartels

00:49:32.460 or anything Israel style.

00:49:34.320 You're literally just hitting a boat in the middle of the ocean that was running drugs.

00:49:39.080 Like, there is no collateral damage.

00:49:42.640 There are no innocents hurt.

00:49:44.300 There is no war being declared.

00:49:45.700 Either these people are state actors and it is an invasion or they're not state actors.

00:49:50.960 And then we're not provoking any kind of larger conflict with the state they weren't from.

00:49:55.620 It has to be one of these or the other.

00:49:57.660 You can't you can't tell me that it's you know, they're they're not state actors.

00:50:00.900 So you can't strike them in this way.

00:50:02.640 But also, this is somehow going to start some larger conflict with Venezuela.

00:50:06.140 It just doesn't make any sense.

00:50:07.540 Now, of course, the assertion immediately was, well, we need to have trials.

00:50:11.580 You're supposed to have trials and like, no, actually, not at all.

00:50:15.100 Trials are for U.S. citizens who or people who are under the jurisdiction of the law of

00:50:19.420 the United States.

00:50:20.120 These guys were in international waters.

00:50:21.680 They were neither like there.

00:50:23.240 There's no way in which U.S. law was applying to them at that time.

00:50:27.020 And so I got I got a lot of libertarians angry at me.

00:50:30.060 Oh, these are universal human rights.

00:50:31.560 They are not.

00:50:32.500 They are not at all.

00:50:33.540 These are rights in the American Constitution for Americans.

00:50:36.720 They apply to Americans or to people within the borders of America under the color of 0.54

00:50:42.820 law in the United States.

00:50:44.320 These people were neither.

00:50:45.960 And if you you know, you're right.

00:50:47.680 This is probably not the one the one boat that will change the world.

00:50:52.240 But I get I guarantee you, you blow up a couple of these and you're going to get a lot less

00:50:56.760 of them, right?

00:50:57.560 Like, oh, we don't need a trial.

00:50:59.980 We're not going to pick you up.

00:51:01.180 You're not going to get a hearing about your, you know, whether or not you should be here

00:51:05.140 on asylum.

00:51:06.020 You're just going to get blown up in the water.

00:51:08.300 That's going to solve that problem pretty quick.

00:51:10.380 But we don't want to solve the problem.

00:51:11.620 That's the point, right?

00:51:13.340 Yeah.

00:51:13.520 So several things there.

00:51:15.080 One, it turns out that Hellfire missiles have what we refer to in politics as a strong

00:51:21.200 deterrent effect, right?

00:51:23.140 It is a term of art.

00:51:24.120 But on a more serious note, right, when we're talking about denying your opponent's moral

00:51:28.660 legitimacy, JD Vance's response, I don't give a shit, is effectively the attitude you

00:51:34.340 have to have.

00:51:35.260 Because very clearly, is it Brian Cranstein or the other one?

00:51:38.060 I can't remember.

00:51:38.700 Yeah, I think it was Brian.

00:51:39.720 Yeah, one of one of them.

00:51:41.000 One of the two, right?

00:51:42.360 Obviously, if you grant him moral legitimacy, right, if you grant him these priors, he owns

00:51:51.200 you.

00:51:51.780 And we have seen exactly what owned Republicans look like.

00:51:55.040 We're about to see another example of one.

00:51:57.160 And if you're actually going to solve these problems, if you're going to say America first,

00:52:01.640 and if you're not American, sorry, well, they're going to be unhappy with you.

00:52:06.640 They might even say mean things about you.

00:52:08.800 That's sort of a given.

00:52:09.960 And so unless you're willing to, you know, inoculate yourself to that, unless you're

00:52:14.480 willing to say, no, you are not the moral arbiter in this decision.

00:52:17.880 I am.

00:52:18.860 You are ceding authority.

00:52:20.360 And the contrast between Vance and Rand Paul here is exactly that distinction I was trying

00:52:25.080 to make, right, between the owned man and the independent one.

00:52:31.560 So Rand Paul here responds to JD Vance.

00:52:34.480 He says, JD, you know, and quotes JD there.

00:52:37.920 Vance says, killing people he accuses of a crime is the highest and best use of the military.

00:52:44.100 No, he's accusing them of criminal invasion, which is not the same thing.

00:52:48.780 But Rand can only have his thin libertarian veneer for what is really, let's just be honest,

00:52:55.560 him trying to find a wedge issue to try to look edgy about, right?

00:52:59.480 Did he never read to kill a mockingbird?

00:53:03.440 Did he never wonder what would happen if the accused were immediately executed without trial

00:53:06.980 or representation?

00:53:08.360 What is despicable, thoughtless sentiment it is to gloriously kill someone without a trial?

00:53:14.340 So first, like just so many things wrong with this.

00:53:16.900 Like first, all these libertarians are like retroactively calling for fair and speedy trials

00:53:23.460 for the Barbary pirates, right?

00:53:24.880 Like we've just, it's not like we don't have historical precedent here.

00:53:29.260 It's not like we don't know how the founders would have thought about this.

00:53:32.460 Ask Julius Caesar what he did to pirates, right?

00:53:37.260 We don't get to crucify him anymore.

00:53:39.900 But, you know, at the very least, you know, normally with a libertarian, I get some kind

00:53:44.380 of argument like, well, that's not what the founders thought about their values.

00:53:47.280 No, we literally know that Jefferson, the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence

00:53:51.900 and talked about the very values you're talking about, did not apply them to the Barbary pirates.

00:53:59.480 He did not think that they applied.

00:54:01.320 He was not calling.

00:54:02.180 He sent pirates.

00:54:03.380 He wrote letters of mark.

00:54:04.780 It wasn't even state agents.

00:54:06.200 He basically hired guns to go out there, mercenaries to go out and slaughter these people without

00:54:13.320 trial, without any rights at all.

00:54:16.200 This is what the guy who wrote the Declaration and talked about how these truths are self-evident.

00:54:21.040 This is what he believed and what he actually did.

00:54:25.580 But, of course, we are like history is illegal in our current political context.

00:54:30.520 It's just insane.

00:54:31.780 I am so tired of having to hear from people who are clearly and directly contradicting what

00:54:37.500 the founders said and believed and did so they can make some abstract point about, you

00:54:43.280 know, 1990s libertarian philosophy.

00:54:46.040 It's absolutely infuriating.

00:54:49.240 And then on top of this, to kill a mockingbird, Rand Paul, really?

00:54:53.720 What?

00:54:54.180 Harry Potter wasn't available?

00:54:56.060 You couldn't tell me about The Handmaid's Tale?

00:54:58.800 You couldn't give me a lecture on the morality coming out of any given, you know, young adult

00:55:04.100 fiction novel?

00:55:05.560 Come on.

00:55:06.580 What a joke.

00:55:07.500 Like, he's quoting middle school reading lists at people saying, haven't you learned this

00:55:13.040 propaganda lesson about the dangers of executing pirates without trial?

00:55:17.560 It's just, it's clown shoes.

00:55:19.860 The guy is wearing clown shoes while he's posting.

00:55:21.680 It's insane.

00:55:22.280 It's insane.

00:55:23.260 Well, and this is what we mean when we say a dedication to losing, right?

00:55:27.900 A willingness to be clown yourself, right?

00:55:31.860 At the slightest chance that you or your team might be doing something effective, right?

00:55:37.440 It's like, oh, no, no, no, no.

00:55:38.980 We can't do that, right?

00:55:40.940 We have to pay attention to the middle school reading list, right?

00:55:45.460 It's absurd.

00:55:46.460 It's not serious behavior.

00:55:48.580 And very clearly-

00:55:48.860 Mr. Burton, have you not read Charlotte's Web?

00:55:51.440 Are you not applying the lessons to our lives today?

00:55:54.480 I hadn't even thought of that, right?

00:55:57.160 What would Templeton the rat say if he were with us today?

00:56:01.600 Like, some pig.

00:56:03.300 Yeah, take that, Rand Paul.

00:56:05.320 That's why we should send Hellfire missiles to hit Venezuelan cartel members, right? 0.66

00:56:09.860 It's absurd.

00:56:10.560 It's very clearly laughable.

00:56:12.600 And again, it is very much a pattern we have seen over and over and over again, right?

00:56:17.520 That the good conservatives, right, want to abide by the rules of a game that were broken

00:56:23.520 decades ago.

00:56:25.080 And quite simply, right, if you are continuing to run up like Charlie Brown to the football,

00:56:31.760 expecting it to kick it extra hard this time, and when it gets pulled out in front of you,

00:56:36.440 you do a comical cartwheel through the air, well, maybe once.

00:56:40.840 Could happen to anyone.

00:56:42.300 But after 30, 40, I don't know, maybe 60 years, when other people, Vance included, look

00:56:48.740 at that and say, you know what?

00:56:49.960 I don't care anymore.

00:56:51.380 I'm not doing it.

00:56:52.220 You can't turn around and pretend that you are this secret ascended version of conservatives

00:56:58.340 that's morally superior to all of us.

00:57:00.560 You're just addicted to losing.

00:57:02.280 And so many people, Rand, are quite literally addicted to losing.

00:57:06.860 I don't know.

00:57:07.320 I really, nothing but contempt for that attitude.

00:57:11.120 Yeah, it's just, it's horrible.

00:57:13.120 And, you know, again, I try to maintain some level of bridges.

00:57:18.920 You know, there are plenty of libertarians that I like, and you know, they're not all

00:57:22.800 like this, but the attitude of just, I have to be a special snowflake.

00:57:28.520 I have to be this incredibly abstract and principled guy, even though I'm directly contradicting

00:57:33.460 like the tradition and history of the United States and the understanding that clearly

00:57:37.880 was held by the people who founded it.

00:57:39.720 I just, you just know that ultimately guys like Rand and Massey, while they are unfortunately

00:57:45.080 many times right on several things when Trump is wrong, they just live to do this kind of

00:57:51.720 stuff.

00:57:52.140 This is what they really want to do.

00:57:53.840 And that's why people don't trust them because ultimately, while I think that, yeah, Thomas

00:57:58.080 Massey is right on several things that Trump is wrong on.

00:58:01.960 I know that, well, Massey ultimately doesn't care about my border. 0.99

00:58:05.620 He doesn't really care.

00:58:07.160 Like he'll mouth some words about closing the border or limiting immigration.

00:58:10.880 But I know at the end of the day, when it's time to vote for the ice funding to get it

00:58:14.040 done, that's when he's going to draw his line.

00:58:16.900 I know that Rand Paul ultimately just doesn't care about stopping the drugs coming into my

00:58:22.260 country.

00:58:22.820 I'm not asking for a war on Venezuela.

00:58:24.520 I'm not looking to go fight the Contras or something.

00:58:27.660 I'm just saying if a boat full of drugs is heading towards my country, we can blow it

00:58:33.060 up and it's fine.

00:58:34.180 That's actually like what it's for.

00:58:36.140 I don't have to go deploy troops into the middle of the ocean.

00:58:39.400 It's not like, oh, you know, these people were American citizens hanging out, dealing

00:58:42.980 drugs, and we just shot them in the street though.

00:58:45.700 But like, just saying these are people who in no way, shape or form have any constitutional

00:58:53.640 rights.

00:58:54.300 It's not, it's like nothing, even the laws of war here.

00:58:57.360 Like, do they apply?

00:58:58.780 You know, we just, none of this, like none of this is relevant.

00:59:01.760 And yet here we are getting lectured by a guy who ultimately, I think it just shows like,

00:59:06.300 doesn't really care and has these like reflexive less leftist attitudes, you know, oh, haven't

00:59:11.880 you watched, uh, you know, Atticus Finch, you know, defend everyone against, you know,

00:59:16.100 the racist Southerners.

00:59:17.180 Like that's the reference you want to make here, Rand?

00:59:20.120 Like that's really the one you're going to go with was, was the hunger games unavailable

00:59:23.480 at the time?

00:59:24.080 Well, especially when, right, from an anti-interventionist perspective, right, there are a few things more

00:59:31.380 morally justifiable than anti-piracy, right?

00:59:34.740 Than people trying to, you know, steal, defraud, and poison people in your country, right? 0.99

00:59:41.820 Coming from the outside in, not a full-scale military invasion, but nonetheless, you know,

00:59:46.380 running the blockade, bringing in, you know, deadly contraband.

00:59:49.220 It's like, well, there's a, there's a big difference between that and, you know, sending,

00:59:55.000 you know, drones halfway across the world to blow up some goat herder shack, right? 1.00

00:59:59.520 This is very much connected to the experience, the wellbeing of normal Americans.

01:00:05.200 And as far as the legitimate uses of force, to be honest, from again, pretty much any normal

01:00:12.480 perspective is unimpeachable.

01:00:15.000 And again, look, I echo your point, you know, there are a lot of guys who either pass through

01:00:20.220 or are still there in the libertarian world that are good guys, but this kind of stuff

01:00:24.260 is, it's clownish, right?

01:00:26.240 It is not worth, you know, really even granting a discussion to, you know, as Vance said, right,

01:00:31.520 we're, we're not doing this anymore.

01:00:32.980 Right.

01:00:33.120 And I think that that is the attitude to take towards this type of, uh, just eternal loser,

01:00:38.000 right?

01:00:38.480 We don't have to do this anymore.

01:00:40.180 And you can obviously see from, you know, the, the way that Rand was responded to that,

01:00:46.180 uh, this was not a popular position.

01:00:48.840 Um, not that that is the be all and end all, but yes, it's very clear that, uh, ultimately

01:00:53.640 J.D. Vance just cutting through the Gordian knot on this one was far more popular and far

01:00:58.860 more well-received, uh, than Rand hemming and hawing about this while, you know, gesturing

01:01:03.180 to his seventh grade reading assignment.

01:01:05.060 And so I, I just, I, libertarians, please do me a favor.

01:01:10.420 Just, just help me out here.

01:01:11.800 Okay.

01:01:12.380 Can we stop random wars in the middle East first?

01:01:17.440 Can we just like, can we, can we get together on that one?

01:01:20.440 And then like maybe have the debate as to whether or not America is allowed to defend its borders

01:01:25.040 from, from drug runners.

01:01:27.240 Like I understand that you guys just feel the need to flip out at every deployment of any

01:01:33.380 military force, but for the love of God, like we can win on the like foreign adventurism

01:01:38.960 stuff.

01:01:39.680 Please just work with us on that and, and try not to just, you know, take the clown nose

01:01:44.380 off a little bit for a little while while we get that job done.

01:01:47.380 And then, you know, we'll, we'll get into the finer aspects of whether or not you're allowed

01:01:50.980 to blow away a cartel member as they charge your, uh, your country, uh, with a boat full

01:01:55.780 of deadly drugs.

01:01:56.840 Uh, but that said, we have a number of questions stacking up from the audience here.

01:02:01.740 So before we get to that, Mr. Burden, can you tell people where to find your excellent

01:02:05.280 show?

01:02:06.480 Yeah, sure.

01:02:07.000 So my primary output is the Jay Burden show interview show three episodes a week.

01:02:11.440 You can find me on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you listen to podcasts.

01:02:15.300 And again, Aaron, thank you so much for having me on.

01:02:17.780 Always a pleasure to have you, sir.

01:02:19.160 We've got, uh, Sean Weiland here.

01:02:21.300 He says, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

01:02:24.480 Of course, the great network line.

01:02:26.220 Um, we've got, uh, infertile here that says it's important to recognize some normal people 1.00

01:02:32.300 still don't know.

01:02:33.260 These realizations will hit them all at once.

01:02:35.220 Be patient, including wealthy people.

01:02:37.080 I believe he's talking about kind of, uh, the crime dynamic there.

01:02:40.440 And I, I think increasingly, so I think the thing is, I think almost everyone knows this,

01:02:46.080 right?

01:02:46.440 The question is who can say it, like, is it allowed to be said?

01:02:49.680 Uh, and I think for a long time it was not allowed to be said.

01:02:53.240 Uh, but I think you're right that ultimately we are seeing, uh, people slowly come to this

01:02:57.660 realization.

01:02:58.200 The, the raw statistics were one thing that convinced some autists, uh, out there.

01:03:02.940 Uh, but now we're just getting too much overwhelming video evidence.

01:03:06.280 We're just seeing too directly, uh, the reality on the ground.

01:03:09.140 So I do think you're right that ultimately, uh, people are starting to, uh, kind of emerge

01:03:13.820 from this.

01:03:14.180 Not because I have like this, you know me, I'm not, I'm not like a wisdom of crowds guy

01:03:18.380 on this one.

01:03:19.380 Oh, the, the, the, the democratic public will eventually come around on this.

01:03:23.480 It's more that ultimately the reality is just too difficult to ignore, especially when

01:03:28.220 you have this direct kind of video evidence and it's becoming more and more acceptable

01:03:31.580 to say that out loud.

01:03:33.380 Yeah.

01:03:33.620 I think that you're, you're correct.

01:03:35.420 And you know, the, the, the progressive pieties that sort of papered over the problems we're

01:03:42.080 identifying were sort of predicated on for most people, it not really mattering, right?

01:03:47.740 Living, you know, in a safe enough area that your opinions on this were abstracted, right?

01:03:53.040 They weren't really, didn't affect your life all that much.

01:03:56.260 And, uh, as that buffer decreases, right?

01:03:59.980 As people get closer, either literally or through social media to these events, uh, it

01:04:05.460 shifts public perception.

01:04:06.820 And again, not in like a 50 plus 1%, you know, voting sense, but in a way that people

01:04:14.440 respond to incentives.

01:04:15.800 And when they see the consequences of going certain places, doing certain activities are,

01:04:23.040 uh, horrific and severe.

01:04:25.540 Well, there will be a response to that, right?

01:04:29.280 I mean, it's the same reason that we see the formation of these so-called donut cities,

01:04:33.520 right?

01:04:34.140 Where anyone who can avoids these areas and does it kill a city, right?

01:04:38.880 Does it create economic blight?

01:04:40.980 Yes, but we see people reacting to incentives and it seems as if a large portion of that is

01:04:46.540 happening all over again, right?

01:04:48.720 We get to run this experiment one more time.

01:04:53.460 Michael Robertson says, good or bad.

01:04:55.360 We live in a system that can find a reason to persecute anyone at any time.

01:04:58.940 If anyone in power cared at all, the system would be pointed directly at judges releasing

01:05:03.120 these types.

01:05:03.880 Yeah, of course you're exactly right.

01:05:05.940 Uh, the law is being made up as we go, uh, exceptions, uh, you know, the, the manipulation

01:05:11.260 of procedural outcomes means that over and over again, uh, the left is able to, uh, take

01:05:16.720 laws that obviously should prevent, uh, what we're doing and instead use them to, uh, punish

01:05:21.580 people who are attempting to prevent them.

01:05:23.360 Uh, and, and if we of course had any kind of sanity, uh, yeah, we would be holding judges

01:05:28.180 accountable for what they're doing, but, uh, the system is specifically designed to avoid

01:05:32.960 such accountability.

01:05:34.060 So unfortunately we're going to continue to be in this space for a while.

01:05:39.960 Uh, Uzi Patriot there with just a donation.

01:05:42.620 Thank you very much, sir.

01:05:43.400 Appreciate it.

01:05:44.980 Uh, we've got Rico Plaza, Lee Kuan Yew.

01:05:47.420 Yep.

01:05:47.620 I dropped the Singapore reference.

01:05:49.180 Uh, so you can, uh, do your bingo card there.

01:05:52.320 Uh, he also says, didn't do nothing.

01:05:55.860 Ah, I see the two-parter.

01:05:58.860 Uh, let's see here.

01:05:59.860 Arthur, uh, uh, I'm just going to go with Arthur T since I can't read Arthur and in Cali.

01:06:05.700 Uh, maybe they were waiting on this 20th arrest to complete the punch card.

01:06:10.740 Seriously.

01:06:11.200 Bring back asylums would fix a lot of this. 0.99

01:06:13.380 We shouldn't have to live this way.

01:06:15.000 Yeah.

01:06:15.160 I mean, so obviously, so a couple of things on that, like, yes, I agree with returning

01:06:18.860 the asylum system, uh, back to something, uh, that can actually protect the American public,

01:06:23.700 putting crazy people away.

01:06:25.440 Uh, however, I do want to say this.

01:06:27.200 I don't know about this guy's mental state, uh, but, uh, obviously like what he did was

01:06:32.420 pure evil.

01:06:33.160 And I want to make it clear that crazy and evil are not the same thing.

01:06:36.660 A lot of times it's much easier to believe that someone who is willing to just completely

01:06:42.400 unprovoked, uh, slaughter someone like that.

01:06:44.860 It can't, they can't really be evil.

01:06:47.000 They can't really have had that level of malice in their heart.

01:06:49.520 Uh, instead it has to be, uh, some form of clinical diagnosis that puts them in that

01:06:54.700 position.

01:06:55.420 Uh, but I'm sorry, evil is real.

01:06:57.220 Like, you know, and I, you know, demonic actions are real.

01:07:00.740 I think that, uh, I have no idea if this guy had a long history of mental health problems.

01:07:05.280 He probably did given just the amount of interactions he had with the law, but it is okay to also

01:07:09.920 recognize that the man is ultimately just an evil person.

01:07:12.980 Um, and that is enough to, to take him out of a human existence.

01:07:17.260 Uh, we don't need to lock that guy in an asylum for 30 years.

01:07:20.660 This solution can be had for about, you know, let's just say the cost of this is very cheap

01:07:25.460 to solve if we want it to be.

01:07:30.180 Florida Henry says, uh, Japan won world war two clean, beautiful, safe cities at night.

01:07:35.220 Miami public transit is dangerous and it's obvious.

01:07:37.760 No one cares.

01:07:38.960 Police mayor governor be safe.

01:07:40.960 Uh, again, uh, hard to argue, uh, that ultimately, uh, the, the level of civil order in Japan

01:07:47.900 is not much higher than the United States, despite the fact that they seem to have lost

01:07:52.520 the previous, uh, major conflict.

01:07:54.840 Uh, but one of the big reasons is because Japan has been so strict on its immigration policies.

01:08:00.080 I've heard that that is changing now and that they are feeling some of the downsides of

01:08:04.620 that.

01:08:04.800 I hope they don't make the same mistake that we and other Western countries have made.

01:08:08.740 Uh, but, uh, yeah, it is very clear that despite Japan having, uh, you know, lost a very, very

01:08:14.620 serious battle, uh, they seem to have a more ordered society than we do.

01:08:19.200 And that is most obviously a function of the choices our leaders are making.

01:08:24.300 I mean, also it helps that the Japanese are quite fond of hanging people. 1.00

01:08:28.360 I'll leave that at that.

01:08:30.220 Yeah.

01:08:31.580 Solutions are, uh, swift.

01:08:34.220 Uh, cool dude says, screw the Barbary pirates. 0.63

01:08:36.820 All my homies hate the Barbary pirates.

01:08:38.860 Cool dude.

01:08:41.660 Barbary pirates could be anywhere.

01:08:43.820 Uh, Thuggo says, so the government never lies.

01:08:46.740 You're just going to buy whatever they say.

01:08:48.620 Oh, except for the Iraq war, the Syrian chemical weapons, et cetera, et cetera.

01:08:52.340 So, okay.

01:08:52.980 I hear what you're saying here.

01:08:54.040 Right.

01:08:54.300 But stay with me.

01:08:55.780 Uh, first, uh, if in this attitude, we literally cannot have law, right?

01:09:01.260 I mean, come on, Thuggo. 0.99

01:09:02.380 Are you going to believe what the government said about the guy who murdered your sister?

01:09:06.280 I mean, come on.

01:09:07.160 Like, obviously, yes.

01:09:08.940 Like the government has been untrustworthy on foreign policy things.

01:09:13.080 I understand that this is why Jay and I are pretty skeptical, even in times where it seems

01:09:17.520 like there might be some level of justifiable action taken about the American government taking

01:09:22.700 that action because we've had so much bad will with them and the way that they've done

01:09:26.580 this.

01:09:26.940 However, I got to say, this one's pretty clear.

01:09:30.460 Like, this is a pretty, again, do I, do I know for sure?

01:09:33.160 Could, could the Trump administration for no reason at all just picked a boat of random

01:09:37.600 people and blown them up just to make a point?

01:09:39.460 I guess so.

01:09:40.440 But do you really think that like, they just couldn't find one boat of people bringing

01:09:45.060 drugs to the United States?

01:09:46.420 Yeah.

01:09:46.660 Like there are very clearly dozens of boats bringing drugs into the U S I mean, I guess

01:09:54.120 they could have faked it.

01:09:55.780 It would be kind of pointless and elaborate too.

01:09:58.120 I'm not going to put it past them, but also it's not like we're saying, look at this, you

01:10:02.720 know, grainy video of a boat being blown up time to invade Venezuela.

01:10:07.400 Right.

01:10:07.840 Right.

01:10:08.240 It's like, this is a very limited claim.

01:10:10.440 And from that, we were saying, well, it would be better given that we have a military for

01:10:15.440 it to be used on things like this.

01:10:18.060 Okay.

01:10:18.580 Even if it's fake, that doesn't really destroy the argument.

01:10:22.520 Like it's, it would be a weird thing to fake.

01:10:24.500 I'm not going to say it's impossible, but it's like, at what point is everything fake?

01:10:28.600 In which case get off the internet.

01:10:31.000 Cause we're not real.

01:10:32.400 We're CIA agents talking to you.

01:10:34.120 It's like, okay, well, sure.

01:10:35.440 I mean, conceptually possible, but it's like it rain in your schizophrenia to at least a

01:10:40.280 manageable degree.

01:10:41.340 It makes for better conversations.

01:10:42.900 Well, and again, as you point out, not only are you not invading Venezuela, it's not even

01:10:48.860 like we were doing a targeted strike on Venezuelan targets or something like you'd have in Iran.

01:10:53.420 The whole argument against not going and bombing Iran is, Hey, a, it seems like we were engaged 0.99

01:10:59.500 in this at the behest of another nation.

01:11:01.200 B, uh, when we do this, we're going to escalate tensions with a power that's got a serious

01:11:06.900 military that we should be worried about.

01:11:09.420 Uh, then we also have to worry about the fact that there could be collateral damage.

01:11:13.020 It could, you know, kill young families or, you know, some village or school somewhere.

01:11:18.160 None of these things are relevant in this scenario.

01:11:20.340 The boat is not a state actor allegedly, right?

01:11:23.740 So if it's not a state actor, then it's not an act of war.

01:11:26.580 You're not striking someone else's combatants.

01:11:28.540 It's not going to escalate issues with Venezuela.

01:11:31.160 The people are in international waters, so they're not under call color of law for the

01:11:35.720 United States.

01:11:36.340 And we're not striking at a target that a target that is in the, uh, you know, geographic

01:11:41.520 sovereignty of another state.

01:11:44.240 And also there is no collateral damage.

01:11:46.880 It's not like there's a bunch of, you know, there's not like there's a bunch of nuns strapped 0.85

01:11:50.420 to that boat. 0.71

01:11:51.060 It's not like there's a hospital boat floating next to it.

01:11:54.280 It's one isolated drug boat that's gone.

01:11:56.440 So it just, I'm sorry, just on every level.

01:11:58.540 This, this objection makes no sense.

01:12:00.640 I get it.

01:12:01.180 Like I, I hear you.

01:12:02.280 The government is untrustworthy and foreign policy is a mess.

01:12:04.900 I'm on, I hear you on all of these fronts.

01:12:07.120 I agree with you on all of these fronts, but come on guys, like have some level of like,

01:12:12.160 oh, actually you do have to still preserve your country in any way, shape or form.

01:12:16.080 You can't hate the government so much that you want people to die of fentanyl overdoses.

01:12:20.040 Like, you know, I've never been to Ukraine.

01:12:22.260 I don't think it exists, right?

01:12:23.960 It's simply an elaborate conspiracy.

01:12:26.560 Like, okay, yeah, I'm being hyperbolic, but it's like, you know, at a certain point, it's

01:12:30.680 like, you know, obviously the government is mendacious.

01:12:34.440 The government lies.

01:12:35.800 You know, there have been a number of, you know, we say prominent government strikes that

01:12:39.480 have been contested, right?

01:12:41.800 I mean, there's a, there's a whole school of revisionism around the, you know, the Osama 0.66

01:12:45.240 bin Laden raid, right?

01:12:46.300 You can read that about or read that about, you know, wherever you want, but at the same

01:12:49.940 time, it's like, okay, well, acting on the information we have, we sort of assume this

01:12:53.840 is correct as a premise, right?

01:12:57.260 Aaron, I don't know what your budget is, but it's not quite enough to, you know, to hire

01:13:01.100 a deep sea fishing vessel to go dredge up the, uh, the remains of a, you know, a Venezuelan 1.00

01:13:05.960 drug running vessel that may or may not exist.

01:13:08.120 But it's like, at a certain point to function in the real world, we need to just assume

01:13:12.220 this premise is at least something that occurred.

01:13:16.200 Carl Johnson says, thank you for the best morning show on the internet.

01:13:19.400 Well, thank you very much.

01:13:20.220 Very kind words.

01:13:20.840 I'm not sure where you're listening to, where 3 p.m.

01:13:23.080 Eastern is your morning show, but very glad that you are with us.

01:13:27.760 Uh, Templar says, uh, there really should be federal lawsuits against the judges.

01:13:31.640 I mean, if you can punish these judges, you should, if there's any way to hold these people

01:13:36.180 accountable, you should be.

01:13:37.700 Now, I don't know all the legality about trying to, uh, have any kind of reciprocity

01:13:42.980 against these judges.

01:13:44.300 Uh, but, uh, but yeah, if there, if there is a way to legally, legally, legally, uh, have

01:13:49.640 consequences for these judges, it absolutely should exist.

01:13:53.420 Sadly, uh, usually those positions are crafted specifically to avoid that accountability.

01:13:58.260 Uh, but there you go.

01:13:59.920 Uh, and Senator Brundlefly says, what, uh, what is evidence, uh, they were cartel.

01:14:08.160 We put bounty on Maduro, uh, provoked F-16 response that Trump has hinted as strikes within the

01:14:14.180 country, like Bolton, Trump won.

01:14:15.840 And I'm with you again, to the extent that Trump is advocating for strikes in Venezuela,

01:14:21.760 I'm against it to the extent that we're driving towards that.

01:14:26.180 I'm against it, but I'm sorry.

01:14:28.440 This instance, the one we're looking at here simply is not the case.

01:14:32.180 Like, again, what evidence is there that they're, they were a cartel?

01:14:36.220 How much evidence would you accept?

01:14:38.700 What would it look like?

01:14:39.740 Be specific, right?

01:14:41.260 Like, that's, that's my question.

01:14:42.740 Do we have to put them on trial?

01:14:43.800 We have to collect them and put them on trial.

01:14:45.000 That's the answer, right?

01:14:46.720 Well, it's like, also, it's like, okay, man, like, why are you in a, like, cigar boat with

01:14:52.780 four engines on it at full speed international waters, right?

01:14:56.680 I'm not saying we should, you know, drone strike every speed boat, but like, okay.

01:15:02.180 If you get arrested, yeah, it could be convinced, but if you get arrested with like, you know,

01:15:07.840 a massive speed boat in like the Florida Keys on your way to Cuba and people like, do you

01:15:12.780 think he was a drug trafficker?

01:15:14.280 It would be a pretty reasonable assumption, right?

01:15:17.260 It's like, again, and I'm not saying I love, you know, everything the military has ever done,

01:15:21.660 but it's like, this isn't stretching credibility.

01:15:24.240 Now, it's very clear that if this is extended to, you know, a full-scale invasion of Venezuela,

01:15:29.380 you or I would most likely not support that, right?

01:15:32.720 That would be a bad idea.

01:15:34.460 But like, again, this isn't exactly a huge ask.

01:15:39.220 Yeah.

01:15:39.780 Again, if, if Trump declares tomorrow, we're going and we're toppling the, you know, Maduro

01:15:44.780 regime, uh, then yeah, I will be the very first person to be full throatedly against that

01:15:51.560 move.

01:15:51.980 But that is just simply not what we're discussing here.

01:15:54.100 Okay.

01:15:54.720 Even in the slightest, you have to, you, you can't simply look at literally every military

01:15:59.940 action ever and say, oh, well, every one of them is actually illegitimate conspiracy.

01:16:05.800 Then you're just a leftist man.

01:16:07.380 Like if you, if you don't think that the, uh, you know, the military has any legitimate,

01:16:11.220 uh, deployment, especially when it comes to protecting our borders and people who are 0.98

01:16:14.900 trying to enter our borders, then I don't know what you're doing here.

01:16:17.920 Like they're like, there's a libertarian, you know, chat somewhere where you guys can

01:16:21.760 all talk about how once the state is gone, everything will be utopia.

01:16:25.240 But until then, like the military still exists.

01:16:28.120 It does have legitimate uses.

01:16:29.660 We do have borders stopping drunk traffickers from entering our borders is a legitimate

01:16:33.740 use of the military and blowing up these people I think is entirely responsible, which

01:16:38.240 is why I share JD Vance's response to pretty much everything Ron Paul is saying.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - September 08, 2025

Terror on the Railway｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 9⧸8⧸25

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