Terror on the Railway｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 9⧸8⧸25
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Jay Burden joins me to discuss the tragic stabbing of a woman on a train in North Carolina, the Rand Paul post about immigration, and the tragic death of a refugee from Ukraine named Ariana Zoruzka.
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There was a horrific stabbing on a train in North Carolina that has been completely ignored
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by the wider media but has lit up social media.
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I think a lot of people have recognized that as indicative of the wider problem in our country.
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We're also going to talk about yet another GOP betrayal when it comes to immigration
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and the presence of large Haitian populations inside the Midwest.
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And finally, we're going to discuss Rand Paul's, how do we say, incredibly cringe post.
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He's posting like a leftist, you know, throwing out young adult literature as to why you could
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or could not stop drug trafficking in the United States.
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Joining me to discuss all that is one of our favorite hosts, Jay Burden.
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Yeah, thank you so much for having me on, Aaron.
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Before we dive into all these stories, guys, let's hear about Share the Arrows.
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In a culture that's constantly pulling in the wrong direction, this is a chance to stop,
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So like I said, there has been, unfortunately, a tragic slaying of a woman on a train in North
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It'll definitely get the channel, you know, the episode blocked, monetized, all that stuff.
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And, you know, just immediately got on her phone, was not paying attention to her surroundings
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because she just sat down and assumed that she would be safe enough on a train like this.
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And the man behind her is a 34-year-old who has been arrested 14 separate times, including
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But for some reason, of course, was back out on the streets in North Carolina and completely
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She didn't, you know, say something untoward to him.
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There is absolutely no interaction previous to the one you're seeing now where he simply
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out of nowhere pulls out this knife and just stabs this woman in the neck and walks along
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the train with the blood just dripping off of the murder weapon across the ground.
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Obviously, this has been completely ignored by the media.
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They have had no interest in letting anyone know about this crime or the details or, you
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know, circulating, obviously, the video or anything like that.
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Because from what it would seem, there's just this complete, you know, senseless attack on
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Many people are speculating a racial motivation.
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There is a video in which he seems to say, I got that white girl, though it's difficult
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But either way, many people are asking about, you know, the races in this crime.
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Obviously, you think of someone like George Floyd or other people who were supposed to
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be black victims at the hands of a white police officer or you think of Ahmaud Arbery, you
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know, one of one of these other scenarios and the outrage that came out of that.
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But we heard almost zero outrage about this crime.
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In fact, the media has been already lying about it when it finally started to report on
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What have you seen from people when it comes to this killing?
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So as awful it is to say, while this story is new, it just happened.
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Archetypically, this happens all the time, right?
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Obviously, there were cases earlier this year of the white track star who was stabbed.
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And unfortunately, we see a very common pattern.
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And for political reasons, it is both selectively reported and, shall we say, selectively responded
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You may remember a few weeks back when there was a brawl in Cincinnati.
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And we, as the public, we're getting hectored by the local law enforcement saying, this is
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Not that it happened, but that you are upset about it, that you were reacting to that.
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Similarly, one of the things that we've noticed is, as you've said, mainstream media is very,
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very reluctant to talk about this for somewhat obvious reasons.
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But the framing on it is very interesting, right?
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One of them is about the, it has reignited the debate about security cameras on public transport.
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About, you know, it might kind of color the democratic process that there is footage of
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And to be honest, look, like journalists are, by and large, mendacious, right?
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They're not participating in this system of ours, honestly, right?
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And to me, this goes back to the idea that mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent,
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This young woman, look, not an American, right?
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But nonetheless, in America, we are a civilized place, right?
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You should be able to be generally assured of your own safety.
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But we are allegedly the richest, most powerful country in America.
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And in such a place, you should be able to be pretty confident that there are not 14-time
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This is not some pie-in-the-sky dream of a utopia.
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It's a baseline level of what can you expect from the authorities.
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And I think authority is something that's worth talking about here, because traditionally
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speaking, right, the sword of the king, right, his ability to enact violence, both domestically
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and, you know, with other nations, came with responsibilities, right?
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It was seen as having a responsibility over those who ruled.
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Sure, we technically still have a monopoly on violence.
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Sure, we technically still have, you know, people in cities like Charlotte who are in charge.
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But very clearly, they seem, they feel no responsibility to keep their citizens safe.
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This specific incidence is genuinely terrible, right?
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But the fact that it was allowed to happen is unconscionable, right?
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This is not something that should happen in a civilized society, let alone something that seems to happen,
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I don't know, roughly two to three times a month in a country like America.
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And look, again, I say this again, this is not utopian nonsense.
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This is a baseline of what civilized societies experience.
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And no matter how well run a society is, but this is very clearly not the product of a system working well, right?
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And it seems as if the purpose of the combination of our criminal justice and media is to create tensions,
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excuse the product of those tensions, and then cover it up over and over and over again.
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And at a certain point, right, it is going to produce the massive backlash we have seen in this instance,
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in any of the other kind of prominent instances of, you know, racially motivated violence.
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This is not acceptable behavior from both our rulers or these people involved.
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And look, Aristotle said justice is everyone getting what they deserve.
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Very clearly, you do not deserve to be subjected to this sort of violence simply for existing.
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And, you know, a huge part of this is the number of times this criminal has been released, right?
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14 separate arrests, several, not all of them violent felonies, but several of them are.
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This is clearly a guy who should not be constantly wandering the streets.
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I mean, he's 34 years old and he's already got that long of a rap sheet.
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The very fact that he's been reintroduced to the public is an issue.
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And like we said, I think it's safe to assume that there's a level of racial motivation in this,
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But what is certainly being a question here is the number of times that you would release a guy like this back in the public.
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And that, we know for sure, is often based on race.
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A lot of these efforts to have prison reform and, you know, make sure that we don't have an over-incarceration of Black Americans
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so that we know that we're not racist, this is almost entirely driven by this social justice element.
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It is extremely likely that the only reason this guy is back out on the streets is the narrative that we need to incarcerate fewer Black men.
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And yet, here we are finding this guy with a poor refugee who, like you said, not an American citizen, but is under the protection of the United States.
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You know, she is under the lawful protection of the United States.
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Like, she fled a country because it was too dangerous to live there.
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And it turns out that actually the most dangerous thing that she could encounter was a repeat offender in the United States.
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And so we have this scenario that, as you say, the story is now, oh, well, it's from the media is, oh, well, this is feeding the right-wing narrative on violence.
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Not that the violence is a pattern we can obviously observe.
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Not that that pattern is going unaddressed because it's specifically politically incorrect to recognize who is most likely to commit these crimes.
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That Black-on-white crime is vastly more likely in the United States than white-on-black crime.
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And the thing that they're panicking, and I've seen this not just with Axios but several media outlets, is the idea that because we can now see these things, because there are now cell phone cameras, and it's not just the public cameras, it's the fact that everybody has a camera in the pocket, we can see instances like the one we saw in Philly right there with those guys all beating up one white guy.
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We can see things that we know are taking place that statistically are reflected in that, but now it's visceral.
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The media can no longer curate what we are seeing from the streets when these things are occurring.
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And so more and more often, people who maybe were willing to ignore crime statistics or assume that these were far-right talking points are now having these videos directly beamed in to their phones, directly put into their pockets and their hands.
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They can't avoid them when they're schooling their social media.
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These things are very difficult to ignore once the visceral crime is put in your face.
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And this one is so horrific and so stunning, and the fact that if this had been, I mean, just think about the Shiloh Hendricks blow-up, right?
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They were all reporting on the fact that this one white woman would use a term that's mean for someone who's stealing stuff out of her purse.
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And this woman is brutally, absolutely brutally stabbed out of nowhere on a train and was just radio silence until we finally get a story.
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And that story is, oh, isn't it a shame that people have cameras now that can observe the violence being done to people in the United States and they could notice a pattern.
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And that's feeding a narrative, the narrative being reality.
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Well, and additionally, right, when we talk about responsibility, like why did this happen?
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Obviously, the apparent murderer is clearly responsible.
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He did that, seems to have done a number of other things as well.
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But at a certain point, it's reasonable to say, well, if this guy had, shall we say, exhibited a pattern of behavior, right, over and over and over again, done violent and horrible things.
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Well, if you are the person in charge, right, the judge, an elected official, right, whose job it is to keep us safe, who lets that person back out and then that person continues the pattern they have established through their life of senseless acts of violence.
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Well, it stands to reason that that person is similarly responsible, not in the same way.
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They didn't literally kill that person, but they certainly enabled it.
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And that's one of the things that I think has been interesting in this specific case, that the conversation has largely morphed.
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Obviously, there is still the very justifiable outrage about this incident, but people are looking around and saying, well, why was this allowed to happen?
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Because it wasn't like this was this guy's first offense.
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As tragic it would be if he were a, you know, a Goldman Sachs investment banker who woke up one day and decided to kill someone.
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But I couldn't really blame a judge for not throwing him in jail.
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But in this case, right, we have quite literally dozens of instances of prior bad behavior culminating in a senseless loss of life that could have under a, I wouldn't say a sensible, like a moderately intelligent set form of government would have addressed this problem.
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Again, we're not asking for some sort of pie in the sky, you know, just king, right, who will set everything right.
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And let's be honest, even from a, you know, a left wing perspective, right.
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Assuming that sort of, of, you know, worldview, who is paying the price for this?
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Clearly, right, and we've seen this over and over again, the people who experience the consequences of progressive policies are first the poor, because they don't have the money to escape.
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A wise poster once said that social status in America is signaled by the degree for which you can opt yourself out of the Civil Rights Act, right?
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The ability for you to sort of skip the consequences of progressive governments.
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And that is basically what it means to be middle or upper class in America, right?
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The degree to which you are not subject to progressive governance.
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Have the right opinions about diversity, but the money to avoid the consequences of diversity, right?
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As you said, you know, the system is clearly to blame here.
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Obviously, this individual has demonstrated repeatedly that he's a danger to himself and the public.
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And the fact that you have a system that would allow this person back on the streets tells you that the purpose of the system is clearly not to stop crime.
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As you said, we're not asking for some kind of Lee Kuan Yew crackdown here.
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Just basically, if a guy commits several felonies in a row, don't keep letting him out of prison.
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But it gets much worse because, of course, the fact that this guy has done this will in no way gain him the death penalty, right?
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Like, I don't think, I think North Carolina hasn't executed anyone in, like, 20 years at this point because we all know that, you know, the entire process is so slow.
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So, we're going to be spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars, to house this guy for two decades, if you're lucky, where he might finally get exactly the kind of justice he deserves.
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Now, this is a problem we could easily solve by the end of the week.
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But the entire system is designed very specifically to keep this animal alive and to basically shuffle off this victim, right?
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You know, if the CRS is still operating at this point, which is apparently they're still funded, the Community Relations Service of the Civil Rights Division,
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they were still funded because President Trump's budget did not go through.
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That was not a fix to the one big, beautiful bill.
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So, if they're still operating, I don't believe they're still operating in the exact same capacity.
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The Trump administration has changed their mission and downsized their personnel.
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But that would be their job, right, previously, is to walk in and basically make this instance go away while this guy becomes a ward of the state for the rest of his life and your money is spent keeping him alive and feeding him while this poor woman is completely slaughtered.
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And as you said, in the leftist paradigm, you would think that the refugee status would matter, certainly if there was some poor guy who is a refugee from Palestine and was suddenly stabbed in the middle of the street by, you know, angry MAGA hat guy.
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And one of the leftists, crazy little, you know, this is MAGA country type fantasies.
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If that had occurred, then clearly we would be burning down cities right now.
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This would be the only story that mattered for for weeks and weeks and weeks on end.
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And instead, basically the entire apparatus of law enforcement and the media is aligned in their efforts to basically sweep this under the rug, make it no real issue, not notice the problem.
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And again, the governor of the state talked about how the justice system had failed to capture this person.
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Everybody knew what was going to happen if he continued to be turned out on the streets.
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And yet here we are once again staring down a situation that was imminently avoidable.
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And the only conclusion you can come to is whether they willed this direct thing or not.
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This is exactly the kind of outcome the system is exists to produce.
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And I think it's worth saying that modern progressive ideas about criminal justice, right, focusing on rehabilitation, right, giving someone chances over and over and over again, a, should we say, stringent opposition to the death penalty, they're not new, right?
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We have been running this experiment since the 60s.
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And for basically everyone, things have gotten worse.
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As you mentioned, right, in that article from Axios, people say, oh, well, violent crime is down, right?
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Since its peak in the 1990s, sure, technically, right?
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But you compare that to the sort of pre-progressive America, right, before the mid-60s, and it is dramatically up, right?
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They're, in many cases, recycled bad ideas of yesteryear, right?
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We have seen this game played out over and over and over again.
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So when discussing this, and look, I understand people are coming to ideas at different times.
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They may not be as familiar with as many cases as you and I are on.
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It's important to note that you do not have to grant these progressive judges, these progressive legal advocates, the moral high ground.
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Because their experiment has been run over and over and over again, and it has resulted in pointless human suffering.
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If this man had been apprehended a decade ago, this young woman would still be alive, right?
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If we had been able to enact, you know, again, relatively sensible criminal policy, this man would be in jail for the rest of his life.
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But instead, right, there are new variables, or relatively speaking, that ought to be weighed against justice.
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And as we know from politics, right, politics doesn't brook an and.
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When it's justice and something else, that and something else ends up winning.
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We have a managerial system that is designed to fudge the numbers to reach a desired state.
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And if you happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, and you were stabbed in the back for literally no reason, well, guess what?
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Because, again, the purpose of the system is no longer justice, right?
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And as we've seen in this case with, I believe, the mayor of the city this took place in, you know, any number of these local officials,
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that they view this as acceptable casualties on the way to achieving their slightly blurry vision of a progressive future.
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Yeah, this woman is just one of many sacrifices on the altar of social justice.
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And that altar is getting bloodier and bloodier and bloodier by the day.
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And it's also very difficult for people to not notice that this violence tends to go one way.
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A couple weeks ago, of course, we saw that couple brutally beat down because, you know, they may have offended a black man.
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And then we have, obviously, you know, all the other cases that we've been cited recently with the track star being killed and all of these different scenarios.
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It's very clear that there is a permissibility in the violence that is allowed inside the United States and what gets politicized, what gets advertised, what makes headlines and those kind of things.
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And when, like we said, that the noticing of it, the recording of it, the fact that it's now visible to everyone is being treated as the problem.
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You sent this to me before the show, a story about Canada basically banning not just, of course, the different instruments of self-defense, but also cameras that see too far beyond properties because they're in a scenario where these are obviously reviewing.
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They're making it too easy to know what's going on, see who's doing and committing these crimes.
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That was the same problem that Axios brought up in their article.
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And so consistently we see that it's not the commission of the crime that is the issue.
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It's not the dynamics inside, racial or otherwise, inside the crimes that are allowed.
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It's the fact that they could be noticed and shared on social media that that narrative could ultimately break.
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It's not through, you know, working with the community or policing or any of these things.
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It's just that the right is getting vindicated.
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And that is the worst thing that could possibly occur for the media.
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A few, you know, dead white girls are really just inconsequential at the end of the day.
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Well, and I think that's why this headline from Axios frames the issue perfectly, right?
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The thing that we are to be upset about, right?
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Well, sure, you know, the grizzly stabbing is mentioned.
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But the real problem is that it fuels MAGA's crime message, right?
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Instead of the fact that someone, again, was senselessly murdered, right?
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And okay, sure, it might fuel a political narrative that is ultimately bad.
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But shouldn't the main concern be ensuring that people aren't in grizzly Charlotte stabbings,
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Again, you know, call me a starry-eyed liberal here.
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But it seems as if, you know, the point is to live in a, you know, safe and prosperous nation,
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right, regardless of how that affects, you know, quote-unquote MAGA crime messages.
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And very clearly, these people do not have your best interest at heart, right?
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If it were you, you know, dear listener, they would be reacting the same way, right?
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It sure is a shame that this horrible murder is inconvenient for us politically, right?
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Yeah, and again, it's not just in the United States, of course.
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We see this in a place like the UK, where over and over again, no matter how many women
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are raped, no matter how many little girls are stabbed, the stories are always about the
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Well, eventually, the right-wing will see what's going on, and they will rise up, and that will
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And so rather than, say, stopping all immigration from Pakistan or cracking down on these rape
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gangs or, you know, violence in the UK, all the stories are about how we're going to censor
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Facebook so these videos don't get shared, how we're going to arrest people making posts
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about immigrant crime so that people don't know.
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And so more and more, the entire anarcho-tyranny archetype shows itself, where it's illegal
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It's illegal to share them or talk about them in places like the UK.
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In the United States, it's illegal to defend yourself.
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I mean, Daniel Penny very narrowly avoided spending lots of time in prison for trying to
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protect people on his subway train from violence.
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It's ultimately probably still had his life ruined in a lot of ways by having that level
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And so over and over again, we see that these forces exist not to stop crime, not to stop
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the violence, not to stop the murder, but to stop people from stopping it, to stop vigilantes,
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to stop, you know, concerned citizens, to stop people who are protesting, stop people from
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simply doing basic journalism and sharing what's going on out there.
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The state is actively working to make it illegal to reveal the nature of the crime while looking
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to enable the crime through their own policies.
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And it's across every one of these governments.
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It's a little worse in the UK than here in the US.
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Luckily, none of us are going to jail today for talking about this attack.
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And if you try to protect yourself in these scenarios, we've already seen what can happen.
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So we have a situation where the entire system is working, again, not in any interest of
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the people, not in the interest of reducing the crime, nothing about what it's actually
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Instead, its goal is to basically hamstring its native population from taking any kind of
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action on these scenarios and ultimately, you know, favoring different client groups.
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Now, in the United States, in this scenario, obviously, ironically, sadly, the woman was
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a refugee herself, an actual war refugee, as where the UK dynamics are often different.
00:30:05.980
But either way, the point is, especially in the United States, they're going to look at
00:30:10.360
the racial aspect of the crime, even if this woman had a status as a refugee, even from one
00:30:16.080
of the favorite wars that the left has right now, right?
00:30:19.400
They're all fleeing the evil Vladimir Putin, who's trying to conquer the world.
00:30:22.900
But even that is not enough because she's white and he's black.
00:30:25.740
At the end of the day, those identities are far more important than refugee, you know,
00:30:33.460
None of the normal leftist archetypes apply because the ultimate one is really race at the
00:30:41.260
And it shows you how cynically these people are used, right?
00:30:46.600
You can imagine if the story were different, right?
00:30:49.500
If the same woman was, you know, perchance on television or on a viral post to social
00:30:57.040
She would be, you know, an icon of this great foreign war where we need to send billions
00:31:02.240
of dollars to, you know, fight the evil Ruskies.
00:31:04.920
But, right, when it comes to something that actually matters, right, her right to or her,
00:31:10.760
you know, protection from, you know, insane knife murderers, well, she's discarded, right?
00:31:20.740
They very clearly do not actually care about these people, right?
00:31:24.520
If they cared about these people, they would want justice to be done.
00:31:30.360
And as you mentioned, right, race is very, very close to, you know, the center of their
00:31:37.900
It's sort of the grist to the political mill, right, that they sort of tactically use to
00:31:44.340
And look again, right, it works, it generates political power, but at what cost?
00:31:50.980
And as we've seen here, we've seen in Waukesha, we saw in, I mean, almost any American city you
00:31:57.100
can think of, there has been an incident, right, explicitly motivated by racial violence.
00:32:09.940
We could have had a sensible, sane country, but there was an active decision, decision to
00:32:16.940
make things worse, to increase cynically political power.
00:32:21.260
And I think that's what can't be lost in this, right?
00:32:23.440
Some people, when talking about this, they're like, oh, this is simply part and parcel of
00:32:28.040
Why were you on public transportation anyway, right?
00:32:42.840
And as we've seen, right, in the past several months, you can just do things.
00:32:47.160
You can decide things are no longer acceptable.
00:32:52.420
This is not an inevitability, which is so irritating in the framing, right?
00:32:57.280
Quite literally, we don't have to put up with this.
00:33:00.920
I mean, in certain states, will they ever get rid of it?
00:33:06.720
And if there were the will to put it to an end, it would be put to an end.
00:33:11.360
This woman's death is absolutely a policy decision, right?
00:33:14.320
Like if there's a very, there's a very, it's not that we don't know how to solve this.
00:33:22.780
No, we know exactly how this works and exactly how to do it.
00:33:28.520
They decided to make a separate decision that they knew would end in the death of innocent
00:33:33.280
And they did it anyway, because it works with their narrative when it comes to race and
00:33:38.460
And I think it's also important, you know, like you said, constantly we hear from the
00:33:50.720
Are you really worried about being on a subway?
00:33:52.700
You know, these are mocking posts made all the time by liberal urbanites, you know, trying
00:33:59.180
And the answer is, well, yes, obviously you should be.
00:34:01.880
If this woman had been a little more worried about public transportation, she might be
00:34:06.780
If she had paid more attention, if she had known who she was supposed to sit next to
00:34:11.180
and who she wasn't, no matter how politically incorrect it was, this woman might be alive
00:34:15.980
And this is not to blame her at all, but to be very clear that the pressure put on people
00:34:21.260
in the United States to ignore these dangers, the propaganda that is placed out there to
00:34:25.980
try to play down what is happening in the United States means that a lot of people get killed
00:34:31.040
because they think it's more important to avoid being labeled racist or avoid being labeled
00:34:36.260
scared of a city than it is, you know, to actually survive these encounters.
00:34:40.520
And tragically, that's one of the scenarios here.
00:34:43.700
But speaking of betrayal and making places extremely unsafe, here is a recent post from
00:34:55.260
He was talking about how excited he was to welcome the now 40, or sorry, not in Ohio,
00:35:04.620
And he was excited to talk about how he was welcoming these 40,000 asylum seekers from Haiti
00:35:14.520
Now, the interesting thing is that Beckwith had previously posted about his desire to
00:35:20.760
avoid having Haitian migrants in his state, how there needed to be steps taken to prevent
00:35:27.340
this type of immigration from occurring, from having large-scale Haitian communities drop
00:35:35.420
Why are we just dropping 40,000 people into these states?
00:35:39.420
These are the questions that defined the election of Donald Trump, right?
00:35:43.020
Right before the election, the fact that the Springfield story and all of the immigrants
00:35:49.140
coming in there, and they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats.
00:35:51.640
These became iconic parts of the Trump campaign.
00:35:55.700
And they echoed in people's minds when they went to the polls.
00:35:58.440
And it was no small contributor to Trump's overall victory.
00:36:02.940
So the fact that right after Trump gets elected, the lieutenant governor of Indiana turns around
00:36:10.260
and betrays his own voters, saying the exact opposite of what he had said before, is insane.
00:36:16.360
To be clear, to put this in context for people, I took a look at the top 31 cities in Haiti.
00:36:24.700
So like the median city size for the largest cities in Haiti is 40,000 people, roughly.
00:36:33.060
So we basically dropped like one of Haiti's largest cities worth of people into Indiana.
00:36:41.900
Imagine how many Haitians are in the entire nation right now.
00:36:45.360
Imagine how many Haitian immigrants are now in the United States.
00:36:49.420
But here is a GOP lieutenant governor who had previously talked about the danger of this
00:36:54.600
type of immigration, talking about how excited he is to bring these people inside.
00:36:59.480
Now, he actually was forced to delete not just this post, but every post related to what
00:37:04.680
was going on here because the backlash was so overwhelming.
00:37:07.400
It started with locked comments and then completely deleted everything.
00:37:10.900
But it's just insane that even now, GOP officials are directly betraying their voters after this
00:37:19.020
was one of the most major issues in the presidential election that propelled Donald Trump back in
00:37:27.040
Because if you were, shall we say, just a dispassioned observer, right?
00:37:32.580
You were not heavily involved one way or another.
00:37:35.420
You look at it and say, OK, well, the Republican Party, of which I am a member, has been propelled
00:37:42.200
to, shall we say, generational success off the backs of anti-immigration sentiment, right?
00:37:52.400
I'm going to post to Twitter about the tens of thousands of people I'm bringing as a Republican,
00:38:05.120
But it indicates, one, that these people feel very comfortable stabbing us in the back,
00:38:11.420
They don't see that anyone should be upset about it, clearly, right?
00:38:15.580
This is not something you would do if you were expecting a backlash.
00:38:19.020
Now, look, maybe Micah Beckwith is extraordinarily stupid.
00:38:28.120
OK, you know, only the best political analysis here, right?
00:38:31.700
But additionally, I think it indicates a very dismissive attitude that GOP elites, right,
00:38:38.320
the Republican types, have towards their voters, where simply they don't take us very
00:38:44.700
They'll say whatever they need to during the campaign trail, but when it's time to actually
00:38:49.040
govern, well, it's straight back to Chamber of Commerce, mass migration, same as normal,
00:38:54.620
because we've all been assured it helps the line go up.
00:38:58.280
Again, right, it's why you can't trust these people, because clearly the moment they have
00:39:03.840
the opportunity to betray their voters, they will, even in a case like this, right, which
00:39:09.140
is, again, stupid, this isn't, you know, some grand, you know, Machiavellian scheme, right?
00:39:16.500
We've, again, like we mentioned earlier when discussing criminal justice, we've seen this
00:39:23.780
I'm sure you remember all the way last year, right, the eating dogs and cats saga, right?
00:39:30.680
The even relatively minor, but very tangible consequences of, you know, importing people
00:39:36.540
with a dramatically different culture, right, with a dramatically different sense of what
00:39:46.200
And to see, allegedly, our represented elected leaders, right, making the same mistake after
00:39:52.860
we have just gone through months and months of reiterating why that's a bad idea, I mean,
00:39:59.900
And two, it's just a reminder that Republicans are, by and large, not your friends either.
00:40:17.140
I'm, I'm, I'm almost more insulted about how lazy this is than anything else.
00:40:22.300
It's not like this was some, you know, disconnected, like, ah, can you believe the GOP did this thing
00:40:29.100
Or can you believe that they're weak on this thing again?
00:40:30.940
This is very specifically, exactly what Donald Trump was elected to stop.
00:40:36.880
This was the controversy leading up to the election.
00:40:41.040
This was the issue that propelled him, among others, to the presidency.
00:40:48.200
It was even about specifically Haitian migrants in another state.
00:40:52.220
It is clear that this is not what your voters want.
00:40:54.800
It's clear that this is what the president of the United States promised to stop.
00:40:59.700
And here you are a few months later, just a few months later into this presidency being
00:41:09.020
Everything I said beforehand, all of the stances I took to try to look tough on immigration,
00:41:13.260
all this stuff, just completely betraying with, without hesitation, without blinking my,
00:41:24.200
Because there's a reason politicians do stuff like this.
00:41:29.820
So he's talking to these people who are never going to vote for him, but he's talking to them
00:41:34.620
and trying to court them as if they are now part of his constituency.
00:41:38.300
So the whole promise was they weren't going to be part of his constituency.
00:41:46.240
They are not supposed to be American citizens with voting rights and the ability to compel
00:41:52.080
But he's here kowtowing to this community because he knows, just like any other politician,
00:42:02.080
And more importantly, more insultingly, like I said, these aren't even going to be his natural
00:42:07.360
Most of these people are never going to vote for him in their lives.
00:42:12.140
It's very obvious because the GOP buys into the racial and immigrant narrative, the refugee
00:42:22.800
They don't care about your national sovereignty.
00:42:24.580
They don't care about the safety of your community.
00:42:26.560
They don't care about the cohesiveness of your community.
00:42:30.420
They don't care about the housing prices skyrocketing.
00:42:35.860
They would much rather have someone pat them on the head and say, oh, good boy, you weren't
00:42:39.800
racist, you were nice to the foreigners, then pretend like he cares about the people in
00:42:48.720
Nice stories in the New York Times mean something to him.
00:42:51.580
So he can go around and tell people, big donors, look, look at this community I'm courting.
00:43:00.060
Not the people actually living in a state in the slightest.
00:43:02.380
Well, and this is why one of the common themes that seems to come up almost every time I'm
00:43:08.340
on your show is denying the left moral legitimacy, because we have lived under a conservative
00:43:14.040
movement who is effectively surrendered their moral center to their enemies, right?
00:43:22.240
Who oppose the left-wing narrative on, shall we say, a technical level, right?
00:43:27.860
They think, well, there's a better way to accomplish these same ends.
00:43:31.140
And ultimately, they have surrendered what they view as virtuous, what they view as a
00:43:38.640
And so they are completely and totally owned, right?
00:43:43.320
They have a ring in their nose, and the DNC leads them around by it.
00:43:47.000
And so we shouldn't be shocked that they produce the same results, because ultimately, they have
00:43:57.680
And so it's why, right, you look at these people and you say, if this is what we've got, there is no
00:44:03.280
solution, because they don't want a solution, right?
00:44:06.460
They love, even if they don't say it, right, the system as it exists, right?
00:44:11.140
They are very happy being the Washington generals of politics, as Bogbeef said, right, of being the
00:44:18.740
losers who still get to collect the scraps from around the periphery of red America.
00:44:25.400
And clearly, people like you and I are unhappy about that, right?
00:44:31.080
Our voters, right, the kind of people who propelled the MAGA movement to success are unhappy with
00:44:39.060
And it's clear from looking at the evidence on the ground that the Republicans have not learned
00:44:48.080
So speaking of the beautiful losers, the only people who are more embarrassing than the GOP in
00:44:58.340
So just for people who are unfamiliar with the framing of this, the saga that is an unfurled
00:45:04.880
over the last few days, the Trump administration struck a boat entering the United States.
00:45:10.960
It was still in international waters when it was hit.
00:45:27.340
He's blowing up fishermen, whatever, like all the stuff you'd expect because they're the
00:45:32.020
But the libertarians also are taking the same account, right?
00:45:36.640
Because any action of strength in any way, it has to be illegitimate, right?
00:45:41.340
They're always looking for an option to be contrarian.
00:45:48.980
Vance says killing cartel members who poison our fellow citizens is the highest and best
00:45:55.220
Yes, it is nice to actually use the military to protect American borders.
00:46:01.340
I know a lot of people, including libertarians, don't think that's what the actual purpose
00:46:06.960
But actually, if you're going to have one purpose for the military, it is stopping bad
00:46:14.800
It's literally like what all militaries were founded to do at the beginning.
00:46:19.900
Especially because, Oren, you may remember the distant past of, I don't know, like three
00:46:32.840
When all of the libertarians in the world were freaking out about how we had sent bombers
00:46:43.360
And you and I seem to agree on that point, right?
00:46:49.860
And the question arises, well, what is a legitimate use of that?
00:46:53.520
Is it not for the benefit of the people who pay for it, right?
00:47:00.220
And look, I've agreed with many libertarian critiques of the global war on terror, right?
00:47:07.560
But the idea, and you even see that in the quote you put up, right?
00:47:11.860
The idea of war crimes, where it's like war is a legislative process, where you need to
00:47:21.380
It's like, well, no, war is what a nation does, right?
00:47:26.540
And clearly, we have had the worst of both worlds, where we have both completely and totally
00:47:30.840
disregarded the rules-based international order, in quotes, right?
00:47:35.000
We've disregarded the rules of war and didn't even do it in our own interest, right?
00:47:40.420
Didn't even do it in such a way that benefited the people who were paying for it, right?
00:47:46.220
And look, man, like, do I think that blowing up this one boat is really going to make a
00:47:51.140
lot of difference in the grand scheme of things?
00:47:54.160
I mean, I don't know how much fentanyl you can fit on a 12-person boat, but I mean, roughly
00:48:02.480
This isn't like the final nail in the coffin of the war on drugs, but it is a sign, right?
00:48:08.900
That the military can be used for things that actually benefit us, which is, as far as I
00:48:14.700
can think, other than maybe a couple air shows, not really happened in my entire life.
00:48:21.400
Yeah, it's amazing because obviously, as you say, you and I are not war hawks here.
00:48:26.740
Like, we have made many, many cases for reduced intervention.
00:48:30.500
The United States being extremely careful with what type of strikes it actually engages in
00:48:36.680
and what other countries it allies with when it does those.
00:48:41.580
And the thing that I keep warning, I said this to libertarians at the time when I had
00:48:45.840
them on to discuss this, like, I want to make it clear.
00:48:50.960
I'm not anti-war because I think war is a constant.
00:49:01.460
I think we have too many unjust wars now that we shouldn't engage in.
00:49:04.920
But I am not constitutionally against the idea of any kind of conflict.
00:49:10.260
And very importantly, when you're striking a boat in international waters that is trying
00:49:14.940
to cross into your country, I think that's a pretty legitimate deployment of violence.
00:49:19.320
Like, it's not like you went to Venezuela and put troops on the ground and started striking
00:49:26.300
You know, there's all this collateral damage from hospitals and schools next to drug cartels
00:49:34.320
You're literally just hitting a boat in the middle of the ocean that was running drugs.
00:49:45.700
Either these people are state actors and it is an invasion or they're not state actors.
00:49:50.960
And then we're not provoking any kind of larger conflict with the state they weren't from.
00:49:57.660
You can't you can't tell me that it's you know, they're they're not state actors.
00:50:02.640
But also, this is somehow going to start some larger conflict with Venezuela.
00:50:07.540
Now, of course, the assertion immediately was, well, we need to have trials.
00:50:11.580
You're supposed to have trials and like, no, actually, not at all.
00:50:15.100
Trials are for U.S. citizens who or people who are under the jurisdiction of the law of
00:50:23.240
There's no way in which U.S. law was applying to them at that time.
00:50:27.020
And so I got I got a lot of libertarians angry at me.
00:50:33.540
These are rights in the American Constitution for Americans.
00:50:36.720
They apply to Americans or to people within the borders of America under the color of
00:50:47.680
This is probably not the one the one boat that will change the world.
00:50:52.240
But I get I guarantee you, you blow up a couple of these and you're going to get a lot less
00:51:01.180
You're not going to get a hearing about your, you know, whether or not you should be here
00:51:06.020
You're just going to get blown up in the water.
00:51:08.300
That's going to solve that problem pretty quick.
00:51:15.080
One, it turns out that Hellfire missiles have what we refer to in politics as a strong
00:51:24.120
But on a more serious note, right, when we're talking about denying your opponent's moral
00:51:28.660
legitimacy, JD Vance's response, I don't give a shit, is effectively the attitude you
00:51:35.260
Because very clearly, is it Brian Cranstein or the other one?
00:51:42.360
Obviously, if you grant him moral legitimacy, right, if you grant him these priors, he owns
00:51:51.780
And we have seen exactly what owned Republicans look like.
00:51:57.160
And if you're actually going to solve these problems, if you're going to say America first,
00:52:01.640
and if you're not American, sorry, well, they're going to be unhappy with you.
00:52:09.960
And so unless you're willing to, you know, inoculate yourself to that, unless you're
00:52:14.480
willing to say, no, you are not the moral arbiter in this decision.
00:52:20.360
And the contrast between Vance and Rand Paul here is exactly that distinction I was trying
00:52:25.080
to make, right, between the owned man and the independent one.
00:52:37.920
Vance says, killing people he accuses of a crime is the highest and best use of the military.
00:52:44.100
No, he's accusing them of criminal invasion, which is not the same thing.
00:52:48.780
But Rand can only have his thin libertarian veneer for what is really, let's just be honest,
00:52:55.560
him trying to find a wedge issue to try to look edgy about, right?
00:53:03.440
Did he never wonder what would happen if the accused were immediately executed without trial
00:53:08.360
What is despicable, thoughtless sentiment it is to gloriously kill someone without a trial?
00:53:14.340
So first, like just so many things wrong with this.
00:53:16.900
Like first, all these libertarians are like retroactively calling for fair and speedy trials
00:53:24.880
Like we've just, it's not like we don't have historical precedent here.
00:53:29.260
It's not like we don't know how the founders would have thought about this.
00:53:32.460
Ask Julius Caesar what he did to pirates, right?
00:53:39.900
But, you know, at the very least, you know, normally with a libertarian, I get some kind
00:53:44.380
of argument like, well, that's not what the founders thought about their values.
00:53:47.280
No, we literally know that Jefferson, the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence
00:53:51.900
and talked about the very values you're talking about, did not apply them to the Barbary pirates.
00:54:06.200
He basically hired guns to go out there, mercenaries to go out and slaughter these people without
00:54:16.200
This is what the guy who wrote the Declaration and talked about how these truths are self-evident.
00:54:21.040
This is what he believed and what he actually did.
00:54:25.580
But, of course, we are like history is illegal in our current political context.
00:54:31.780
I am so tired of having to hear from people who are clearly and directly contradicting what
00:54:37.500
the founders said and believed and did so they can make some abstract point about, you
00:54:49.240
And then on top of this, to kill a mockingbird, Rand Paul, really?
00:54:56.060
You couldn't tell me about The Handmaid's Tale?
00:54:58.800
You couldn't give me a lecture on the morality coming out of any given, you know, young adult
00:55:07.500
Like, he's quoting middle school reading lists at people saying, haven't you learned this
00:55:13.040
propaganda lesson about the dangers of executing pirates without trial?
00:55:19.860
The guy is wearing clown shoes while he's posting.
00:55:23.260
Well, and this is what we mean when we say a dedication to losing, right?
00:55:31.860
At the slightest chance that you or your team might be doing something effective, right?
00:55:40.940
We have to pay attention to the middle school reading list, right?
00:55:51.440
Are you not applying the lessons to our lives today?
00:55:57.160
What would Templeton the rat say if he were with us today?
00:56:05.320
That's why we should send Hellfire missiles to hit Venezuelan cartel members, right?
00:56:12.600
And again, it is very much a pattern we have seen over and over and over again, right?
00:56:17.520
That the good conservatives, right, want to abide by the rules of a game that were broken
00:56:25.080
And quite simply, right, if you are continuing to run up like Charlie Brown to the football,
00:56:31.760
expecting it to kick it extra hard this time, and when it gets pulled out in front of you,
00:56:36.440
you do a comical cartwheel through the air, well, maybe once.
00:56:42.300
But after 30, 40, I don't know, maybe 60 years, when other people, Vance included, look
00:56:52.220
You can't turn around and pretend that you are this secret ascended version of conservatives
00:57:02.280
And so many people, Rand, are quite literally addicted to losing.
00:57:07.320
I really, nothing but contempt for that attitude.
00:57:13.120
And, you know, again, I try to maintain some level of bridges.
00:57:18.920
You know, there are plenty of libertarians that I like, and you know, they're not all
00:57:22.800
like this, but the attitude of just, I have to be a special snowflake.
00:57:28.520
I have to be this incredibly abstract and principled guy, even though I'm directly contradicting
00:57:33.460
like the tradition and history of the United States and the understanding that clearly
00:57:39.720
I just, you just know that ultimately guys like Rand and Massey, while they are unfortunately
00:57:45.080
many times right on several things when Trump is wrong, they just live to do this kind of
00:57:53.840
And that's why people don't trust them because ultimately, while I think that, yeah, Thomas
00:57:58.080
Massey is right on several things that Trump is wrong on.
00:58:01.960
I know that, well, Massey ultimately doesn't care about my border.
00:58:07.160
Like he'll mouth some words about closing the border or limiting immigration.
00:58:10.880
But I know at the end of the day, when it's time to vote for the ice funding to get it
00:58:16.900
I know that Rand Paul ultimately just doesn't care about stopping the drugs coming into my
00:58:24.520
I'm not looking to go fight the Contras or something.
00:58:27.660
I'm just saying if a boat full of drugs is heading towards my country, we can blow it
00:58:36.140
I don't have to go deploy troops into the middle of the ocean.
00:58:39.400
It's not like, oh, you know, these people were American citizens hanging out, dealing
00:58:42.980
drugs, and we just shot them in the street though.
00:58:45.700
But like, just saying these are people who in no way, shape or form have any constitutional
00:58:54.300
It's not, it's like nothing, even the laws of war here.
00:58:58.780
You know, we just, none of this, like none of this is relevant.
00:59:01.760
And yet here we are getting lectured by a guy who ultimately, I think it just shows like,
00:59:06.300
doesn't really care and has these like reflexive less leftist attitudes, you know, oh, haven't
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you watched, uh, you know, Atticus Finch, you know, defend everyone against, you know,
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Like that's the reference you want to make here, Rand?
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Like that's really the one you're going to go with was, was the hunger games unavailable
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Well, especially when, right, from an anti-interventionist perspective, right, there are a few things more
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Than people trying to, you know, steal, defraud, and poison people in your country, right?
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Coming from the outside in, not a full-scale military invasion, but nonetheless, you know,
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running the blockade, bringing in, you know, deadly contraband.
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It's like, well, there's a, there's a big difference between that and, you know, sending,
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you know, drones halfway across the world to blow up some goat herder shack, right?
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This is very much connected to the experience, the wellbeing of normal Americans.
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And as far as the legitimate uses of force, to be honest, from again, pretty much any normal
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And again, look, I echo your point, you know, there are a lot of guys who either pass through
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or are still there in the libertarian world that are good guys, but this kind of stuff
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It is not worth, you know, really even granting a discussion to, you know, as Vance said, right,
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And I think that that is the attitude to take towards this type of, uh, just eternal loser,
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And you can obviously see from, you know, the, the way that Rand was responded to that,
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Um, not that that is the be all and end all, but yes, it's very clear that, uh, ultimately
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J.D. Vance just cutting through the Gordian knot on this one was far more popular and far
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more well-received, uh, than Rand hemming and hawing about this while, you know, gesturing
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And so I, I just, I, libertarians, please do me a favor.
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Can we stop random wars in the middle East first?
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Can we just like, can we, can we get together on that one?
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And then like maybe have the debate as to whether or not America is allowed to defend its borders
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Like I understand that you guys just feel the need to flip out at every deployment of any
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military force, but for the love of God, like we can win on the like foreign adventurism
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Please just work with us on that and, and try not to just, you know, take the clown nose
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off a little bit for a little while while we get that job done.
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And then, you know, we'll, we'll get into the finer aspects of whether or not you're allowed
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to blow away a cartel member as they charge your, uh, your country, uh, with a boat full
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Uh, but that said, we have a number of questions stacking up from the audience here.
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So before we get to that, Mr. Burden, can you tell people where to find your excellent
01:02:07.000
So my primary output is the Jay Burden show interview show three episodes a week.
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You can find me on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you listen to podcasts.
01:02:15.300
And again, Aaron, thank you so much for having me on.
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He says, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.
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Um, we've got, uh, infertile here that says it's important to recognize some normal people
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I believe he's talking about kind of, uh, the crime dynamic there.
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And I, I think increasingly, so I think the thing is, I think almost everyone knows this,
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The question is who can say it, like, is it allowed to be said?
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Uh, and I think for a long time it was not allowed to be said.
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Uh, but I think you're right that ultimately we are seeing, uh, people slowly come to this
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The, the raw statistics were one thing that convinced some autists, uh, out there.
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Uh, but now we're just getting too much overwhelming video evidence.
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We're just seeing too directly, uh, the reality on the ground.
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So I do think you're right that ultimately, uh, people are starting to, uh, kind of emerge
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Not because I have like this, you know me, I'm not, I'm not like a wisdom of crowds guy
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Oh, the, the, the, the democratic public will eventually come around on this.
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It's more that ultimately the reality is just too difficult to ignore, especially when
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you have this direct kind of video evidence and it's becoming more and more acceptable
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And you know, the, the, the progressive pieties that sort of papered over the problems we're
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identifying were sort of predicated on for most people, it not really mattering, right?
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Living, you know, in a safe enough area that your opinions on this were abstracted, right?
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They weren't really, didn't affect your life all that much.
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As people get closer, either literally or through social media to these events, uh, it
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And again, not in like a 50 plus 1%, you know, voting sense, but in a way that people
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And when they see the consequences of going certain places, doing certain activities are,
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I mean, it's the same reason that we see the formation of these so-called donut cities,
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Where anyone who can avoids these areas and does it kill a city, right?
01:04:40.980
Yes, but we see people reacting to incentives and it seems as if a large portion of that is
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We live in a system that can find a reason to persecute anyone at any time.
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If anyone in power cared at all, the system would be pointed directly at judges releasing
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Uh, the law is being made up as we go, uh, exceptions, uh, you know, the, the manipulation
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of procedural outcomes means that over and over again, uh, the left is able to, uh, take
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laws that obviously should prevent, uh, what we're doing and instead use them to, uh, punish
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Uh, and, and if we of course had any kind of sanity, uh, yeah, we would be holding judges
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accountable for what they're doing, but, uh, the system is specifically designed to avoid
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So unfortunately we're going to continue to be in this space for a while.
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Arthur, uh, uh, I'm just going to go with Arthur T since I can't read Arthur and in Cali.
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Uh, maybe they were waiting on this 20th arrest to complete the punch card.
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I mean, so obviously, so a couple of things on that, like, yes, I agree with returning
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the asylum system, uh, back to something, uh, that can actually protect the American public,
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I don't know about this guy's mental state, uh, but, uh, obviously like what he did was
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And I want to make it clear that crazy and evil are not the same thing.
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A lot of times it's much easier to believe that someone who is willing to just completely
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They can't really have had that level of malice in their heart.
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Uh, instead it has to be, uh, some form of clinical diagnosis that puts them in that
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Like, you know, and I, you know, demonic actions are real.
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I think that, uh, I have no idea if this guy had a long history of mental health problems.
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He probably did given just the amount of interactions he had with the law, but it is okay to also
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recognize that the man is ultimately just an evil person.
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Um, and that is enough to, to take him out of a human existence.
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Uh, we don't need to lock that guy in an asylum for 30 years.
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This solution can be had for about, you know, let's just say the cost of this is very cheap
01:07:30.180
Florida Henry says, uh, Japan won world war two clean, beautiful, safe cities at night.
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Miami public transit is dangerous and it's obvious.
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Uh, again, uh, hard to argue, uh, that ultimately, uh, the, the level of civil order in Japan
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is not much higher than the United States, despite the fact that they seem to have lost
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Uh, but one of the big reasons is because Japan has been so strict on its immigration policies.
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I've heard that that is changing now and that they are feeling some of the downsides of
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I hope they don't make the same mistake that we and other Western countries have made.
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Uh, but, uh, yeah, it is very clear that despite Japan having, uh, you know, lost a very, very
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serious battle, uh, they seem to have a more ordered society than we do.
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And that is most obviously a function of the choices our leaders are making.
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I mean, also it helps that the Japanese are quite fond of hanging people.
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Oh, except for the Iraq war, the Syrian chemical weapons, et cetera, et cetera.
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Uh, first, uh, if in this attitude, we literally cannot have law, right?
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Are you going to believe what the government said about the guy who murdered your sister?
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Like the government has been untrustworthy on foreign policy things.
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I understand that this is why Jay and I are pretty skeptical, even in times where it seems
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like there might be some level of justifiable action taken about the American government taking
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that action because we've had so much bad will with them and the way that they've done
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However, I got to say, this one's pretty clear.
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Like, this is a pretty, again, do I, do I know for sure?
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Could, could the Trump administration for no reason at all just picked a boat of random
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But do you really think that like, they just couldn't find one boat of people bringing
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Like there are very clearly dozens of boats bringing drugs into the U S I mean, I guess
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It would be kind of pointless and elaborate too.
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I'm not going to put it past them, but also it's not like we're saying, look at this, you
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know, grainy video of a boat being blown up time to invade Venezuela.
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And from that, we were saying, well, it would be better given that we have a military for
01:10:18.580
Even if it's fake, that doesn't really destroy the argument.
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I'm not going to say it's impossible, but it's like, at what point is everything fake?
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I mean, conceptually possible, but it's like it rain in your schizophrenia to at least a
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Well, and again, as you point out, not only are you not invading Venezuela, it's not even
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like we were doing a targeted strike on Venezuelan targets or something like you'd have in Iran.
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The whole argument against not going and bombing Iran is, Hey, a, it seems like we were engaged
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B, uh, when we do this, we're going to escalate tensions with a power that's got a serious
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Uh, then we also have to worry about the fact that there could be collateral damage.
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It could, you know, kill young families or, you know, some village or school somewhere.
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None of these things are relevant in this scenario.
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The boat is not a state actor allegedly, right?
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So if it's not a state actor, then it's not an act of war.
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It's not going to escalate issues with Venezuela.
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The people are in international waters, so they're not under call color of law for the
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And we're not striking at a target that a target that is in the, uh, you know, geographic
01:11:46.880
It's not like there's a bunch of, you know, there's not like there's a bunch of nuns strapped
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It's not like there's a hospital boat floating next to it.
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The government is untrustworthy and foreign policy is a mess.
01:12:07.120
I agree with you on all of these fronts, but come on guys, like have some level of like,
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oh, actually you do have to still preserve your country in any way, shape or form.
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You can't hate the government so much that you want people to die of fentanyl overdoses.
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Like, okay, yeah, I'm being hyperbolic, but it's like, you know, at a certain point, it's
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like, you know, obviously the government is mendacious.
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You know, there have been a number of, you know, we say prominent government strikes that
01:12:41.800
I mean, there's a, there's a whole school of revisionism around the, you know, the Osama
01:12:46.300
You can read that about or read that about, you know, wherever you want, but at the same
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time, it's like, okay, well, acting on the information we have, we sort of assume this
01:12:57.260
Aaron, I don't know what your budget is, but it's not quite enough to, you know, to hire
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a deep sea fishing vessel to go dredge up the, uh, the remains of a, you know, a Venezuelan
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But it's like, at a certain point to function in the real world, we need to just assume
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this premise is at least something that occurred.
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Carl Johnson says, thank you for the best morning show on the internet.
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I'm not sure where you're listening to, where 3 p.m.
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Eastern is your morning show, but very glad that you are with us.
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Uh, Templar says, uh, there really should be federal lawsuits against the judges.
01:13:31.640
I mean, if you can punish these judges, you should, if there's any way to hold these people
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Now, I don't know all the legality about trying to, uh, have any kind of reciprocity
01:13:44.300
Uh, but, uh, but yeah, if there, if there is a way to legally, legally, legally, uh, have
01:13:49.640
consequences for these judges, it absolutely should exist.
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Sadly, uh, usually those positions are crafted specifically to avoid that accountability.
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Uh, and Senator Brundlefly says, what, uh, what is evidence, uh, they were cartel.
01:14:08.160
We put bounty on Maduro, uh, provoked F-16 response that Trump has hinted as strikes within the
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And I'm with you again, to the extent that Trump is advocating for strikes in Venezuela,
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I'm against it to the extent that we're driving towards that.
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This instance, the one we're looking at here simply is not the case.
01:14:32.180
Like, again, what evidence is there that they're, they were a cartel?
01:14:46.720
Well, it's like, also, it's like, okay, man, like, why are you in a, like, cigar boat with
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four engines on it at full speed international waters, right?
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I'm not saying we should, you know, drone strike every speed boat, but like, okay.
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If you get arrested, yeah, it could be convinced, but if you get arrested with like, you know,
01:15:07.840
a massive speed boat in like the Florida Keys on your way to Cuba and people like, do you
01:15:14.280
It would be a pretty reasonable assumption, right?
01:15:17.260
It's like, again, and I'm not saying I love, you know, everything the military has ever done,
01:15:21.660
but it's like, this isn't stretching credibility.
01:15:24.240
Now, it's very clear that if this is extended to, you know, a full-scale invasion of Venezuela,
01:15:29.380
you or I would most likely not support that, right?
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But like, again, this isn't exactly a huge ask.
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Again, if, if Trump declares tomorrow, we're going and we're toppling the, you know, Maduro
01:15:44.780
regime, uh, then yeah, I will be the very first person to be full throatedly against that
01:15:51.980
But that is just simply not what we're discussing here.
01:15:54.720
Even in the slightest, you have to, you, you can't simply look at literally every military
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action ever and say, oh, well, every one of them is actually illegitimate conspiracy.
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Like if you, if you don't think that the, uh, you know, the military has any legitimate,
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uh, deployment, especially when it comes to protecting our borders and people who are
01:16:14.900
trying to enter our borders, then I don't know what you're doing here.
01:16:17.920
Like they're like, there's a libertarian, you know, chat somewhere where you guys can
01:16:21.760
all talk about how once the state is gone, everything will be utopia.
01:16:25.240
But until then, like the military still exists.
01:16:29.660
We do have borders stopping drunk traffickers from entering our borders is a legitimate
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use of the military and blowing up these people I think is entirely responsible, which
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is why I share JD Vance's response to pretty much everything Ron Paul is saying.
01:16:43.260
All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.
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