The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Absolute State of Britain ｜ Guest： Harry Robinson

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00:00:30.360 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:31.960 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.720 I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:37.720 So I'm sure many of you have already seen,

00:00:40.300 but there was an altercation between the police in the UK,

00:00:44.120 an autistic girl.

00:00:45.380 There had been some accusations that she had trans-regressed,

00:00:49.120 some kind of homophobic ordinance,

00:00:51.520 by pointing out that one of the police officers

00:00:53.520 looked a little bit like her grandma that was a lesbian.

00:00:56.520 Pretty ridiculous, insane video.

00:00:58.540 We'll get into that and kind of its implications for the wider question of free speech in the West.

00:01:03.600 But joining me today to talk about all that is Harry Robinson.

00:01:06.900 He is a presenter over at the Lotus Eaters.

00:01:09.260 Thanks for joining me, man.

00:01:10.000 Thank you very much for having me on.

00:01:12.280 I was saying just before we started, it's great to meet you finally.

00:01:14.560 We've spoken a few times over message,

00:01:16.020 but this is the first time we're speaking as close to face-to-face as you can get online.

00:01:20.480 But it's great to be here.

00:01:21.640 Thank you very much for inviting me on.

00:01:23.080 And to everybody watching from home right now, I apologize for my somewhat primitive setup.

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00:01:36.280 So yes, this is where the magic happens, hamster and all.

00:01:39.320 Yeah, no, I'm definitely happy to have you on.

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00:02:01.760 Absolutely, yeah.

00:02:02.540 No, the rotating album covers is always fun.

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00:03:52.420 All right, guys, so let's go ahead and jump in.

00:03:57.300 I'm just going to show you the video here so you can get an idea of what we're doing.

00:04:01.080 The part that we missed so far is there's about seven police officers,

00:04:05.640 excuse me, about seven police officers approaching the home.

00:04:09.480 They've already entered the home after kind of following this 16-year-old girl in.

00:04:15.380 But let's go ahead and watch what happens here.

00:04:17.360 Yep, that's what I get for not pre-rolling that video.

00:04:22.240 There we go.

00:04:24.880 Well, as it's preparing, we can go ahead and give a little bit of an outline of what happened here.

00:04:29.760 So, Harry, I think a lot of people would be surprised to find out.

00:04:33.200 Hold on, here we go.

00:04:34.580 Okay.

00:04:35.240 Sorry about that, guys.

00:04:36.080 Here's the video.

00:04:39.480 Oh, it was lying to me.

00:04:40.600 Oh, the horrible.

00:04:44.080 No fortune does not smile upon us this evening.

00:04:45.920 It does not.

00:04:46.320 It does not.

00:04:46.900 All right, so we'll just go ahead and head in here, guys.

00:04:49.720 So, a lot of people would be surprised, I think, to find out that there's some kind of homophobic ordinance going on here with the police of, what is it, Yorkshire, right?

00:05:02.900 West Yorkshire.

00:05:03.660 West Yorkshire, yes.

00:05:04.240 Not Yorkshire, Yorkshire.

00:05:06.440 Yes, sorry.

00:05:07.420 Yes, we'll get the pronunciation.

00:05:08.660 I need to correct you, Americans, on the pronunciation of all these.

00:05:11.160 I do appreciate it, yes.

00:05:12.840 So, I think a lot of people would be surprised that there's an ordinance about that.

00:05:16.940 Now, if I can get this video working at some point, we'll watch the actual footage.

00:05:21.220 But, obviously, these police come in, and this 16-year-old girl is sitting in a closet.

00:05:26.500 There's a bunch of police officers surrounding here.

00:05:28.140 They're all trying to pull her out.

00:05:29.400 They're trying to arrest her.

00:05:30.240 The mom is saying, my daughter is autistic.

00:05:33.480 What are you doing?

00:05:34.680 She doesn't know what she was saying.

00:05:36.900 She has a grandma that's a lesbian.

00:05:40.280 She said, you kind of look like her grandma, who is also a lesbian.

00:05:43.620 And all of a sudden, this is an arrestable offense.

00:05:45.940 What's happening here?

00:05:46.660 Well, it is a very distressing video to watch.

00:05:50.580 So, in the UK, we have a law from 1986, which consolidated a few other laws.

00:05:56.700 A lot of the laws that we exist under in the UK right now, the legislation is consolidation

00:06:01.120 of various other laws that have been put into place over the centuries, in some cases, because

00:06:06.720 England's a very, very old country.

00:06:08.760 And this has been the case of a public order offense.

00:06:11.940 This was a law that was put into place in 1986 under Margaret Thatcher.

00:06:16.460 And if I just look here, so it's Section 4 of the Public Order Act, 1986.

00:06:21.420 It makes it an offense for a person to use threatening, abusive, or insulting words or behavior that

00:06:26.540 causes or is likely to cause another person harassment, alarm, or distress.

00:06:30.100 Now, in 2010, I believe it was, some year recently, yeah, it was amended in 2010, Part 3A of the law was,

00:06:39.020 to make it an offense to have any law, any insult or kind of behavior, or anything that could really

00:06:46.340 be inferred as being homophobic, transphobic, all of the different phobias and different speech

00:06:53.740 codes that we have these days that you're not allowed to breach.

00:06:56.960 We've got the line here, and that added an extra dimension to the line that you're not allowed to step over.

00:07:02.060 And it's just really sad to see when something like this happens, because, like you say, when you're watching

00:07:06.320 the video, it's not that the woman is, would rightly, if you ask me, she would be right in saying that this

00:07:14.420 isn't something that should be prosecuted in the first place.

00:07:16.720 What she said was that you look like my lesbian nana.

00:07:19.700 Now, not only is this girl autistic, to add a little bit of context onto it as well, she's 16 years old,

00:07:25.980 and the police were involved in this situation in the first place because she was drunk at a local

00:07:30.480 supermarket or shopping mall, for you Americans at a shopping center.

00:07:34.640 I believe she was drunk, she was causing some commotion, so they had, the mum thought she was

00:07:39.540 staying over at somebody else's house, one of her friend's houses.

00:07:41.900 So she called the police, they went and picked her up, and they brought her back.

00:07:46.120 So reasonably, they were doing a decent duty here.

00:07:49.300 This is something that I can support, the idea that the police upholding law and order

00:07:54.140 and also preventing young, stupid kids from going out and really making arses of themselves,

00:08:00.840 as young teenagers are wont to do.

00:08:03.300 I mean, 16 years old, we all make stupid decisions, and we, you know, I'm not going to say that I didn't

00:08:09.340 go out and get drunk a little bit when I was a bit too young to do so, but the police go out,

00:08:14.460 they bring her back, as they're putting her through the door, she remarks to one police officer

00:08:18.660 that you look like my lesbian nana, and then this entire situation unfolds.

00:08:23.100 Now, this isn't something that the mum is going, this shouldn't be a law in the first place,

00:08:26.940 this is ridiculous.

00:08:27.960 The mother is pleading, trying to add context to this.

00:08:31.040 Well, she does have a nana who is a lesbian, and you do look a little bit like her, she's autistic.

00:08:36.180 This isn't a situation that should have occurred in the very first place, because reasonably,

00:08:41.320 there shouldn't be speech codes like this that penalize it if somebody makes not an insulting

00:08:46.480 comment, not a harassing comment, not an offensive comment, just an innocent comment, just an

00:08:51.920 observation or a remark.

00:08:53.880 Yeah, there really is that two levels to it, right?

00:08:56.680 Like, first, did she even violate what this ordinance was?

00:08:59.980 Because very obviously, like you said, the comment was innocuous.

00:09:03.480 It's just, you look like someone I know, who has this particular trait.

00:09:07.900 Oh, it's also someone who I love, it's someone I'm, I'm related to.

00:09:11.240 So it's not even a insult, which didn't even qualify as something that would violate this

00:09:16.820 in the first place.

00:09:17.720 But the second question, I think the deeper one, the one that's probably more shocking

00:09:21.380 to a lot of people, especially in the US, is that this law would even exist.

00:09:24.640 And like you said, that this is something that has been attached to law, you know, like

00:09:29.640 a culmination of laws that were originally satiated in the 80s.

00:09:33.440 I feel like we're going to have a lot more to say about kind of how these laws have creeped

00:09:36.980 in over time, both in the UK and the US.

00:09:39.060 But let's try this one more time in hopes that let's see what happens.

00:09:42.260 Share this.

00:09:43.080 We'll see.

00:09:43.380 All right.

00:09:49.060 I don't think it's going to happen today, guys.

00:09:50.860 All right.

00:09:51.160 Well, anyway, do you want me to just sum it up?

00:09:54.700 Because I watched it for.

00:09:55.780 Yeah.

00:09:56.080 Yeah.

00:09:56.320 Why don't you go ahead and sum that up for everybody?

00:09:58.640 So they're in what appears to be some kind of terraced house, which if you're in the UK

00:10:03.600 are very small houses.

00:10:04.820 For those of you in the US, the UK already has very small houses in comparison to what

00:10:09.440 you guys are used to at vastly inflated prices because we've decided all of North and Sub-Saharan

00:10:15.180 Africa needs to migrate over here.

00:10:18.400 For some reason, I think it's to help GDP go up, although I don't see how we and it's

00:10:23.880 a very small corridor.

00:10:24.980 The police are all gathered in there and it all looks really, really cramped.

00:10:28.720 And they have basically bullied their way into this person's home.

00:10:31.800 The young girl, once again, 16 years old, autistic and drunk.

00:10:35.980 So reasonably speaking, someone that you would hope that the police would look after and be

00:10:40.080 taken care of as part of their legal duties is hiding away in a cupboard in the corner,

00:10:46.840 obviously distressed.

00:10:48.220 Her mother's filming the whole thing, screaming at the police, also obviously distressed.

00:10:52.060 While all of these police officers, some of them calmly, but the one who the remark

00:10:56.500 was seemingly directed at, who without wanting to cause a public order offence here, I will

00:11:02.220 say, lived up to this girl's description of her, is also in a rather elevated emotional

00:11:09.020 state and is very, very upset.

00:11:11.120 And she's also shouting back at this family.

00:11:12.960 So a complete breakdown of order, a complete breakdown of the duties that the police should

00:11:17.420 be administering.

00:11:18.300 Because at this point, with the UK, the jokes that all of the US has against us about, have

00:11:24.060 you got a license for that?

00:11:25.420 Sadly, are absolutely true.

00:11:26.820 We are the land of the license, where if you do not have express written governmental

00:11:31.920 permission to do or say something, then you are breaking some law.

00:11:35.880 We have such a vast labyrinth of legislation in this country that probably stepping outside

00:11:41.800 during a sunny day is probably breaking some law out there.

00:11:46.160 Under Tony Blair, I think it was something ridiculous where in the entirety of his administration,

00:11:51.280 there was something like half a dozen laws passed per day under Tony Blair.

00:11:55.960 So we have an absolute maze to navigate.

00:12:00.180 And what I would like to compare this to, I used to work in a call center.

00:12:03.740 Have you ever worked in a call center?

00:12:05.340 I have actually, yeah.

00:12:06.980 Oh, then you'll probably know what I'm talking about here.

00:12:09.060 So if you've ever worked in a call center, you're always given all of these little rules

00:12:12.640 and targets that you have to hit, which you pile up to such an extent, there is no physical

00:12:18.580 way that you have enough time in the day to be able to hit every single one of your targets.

00:12:23.480 This isn't necessarily because the targets ensure that you are performing your job to

00:12:29.180 the best of your abilities.

00:12:30.740 No, what they are instead is because of the fact that middle management types in these

00:12:34.500 businesses are quite vindictive and will try and look for any reason to fire you if you

00:12:39.940 decide to get on their bad side one day.

00:12:41.820 And so all of these laws and therefore all of these rules are set up so that they will

00:12:45.900 have a mountain of minor infractions that they can pull from at any time to be able

00:12:50.320 to fire you if they so desire at that particular moment, if you've annoyed them.

00:12:54.880 Very similar in the UK.

00:12:56.620 You may not necessarily be breaking any major laws.

00:12:59.240 You may not be going out and punching somebody in the face and committing what I would consider

00:13:02.420 to be a real crime.

00:13:04.120 But you will have performed enough minor infractions at any one point that if the police just feel

00:13:08.580 like they want to put the boot to your neck, that they have permission to.

00:13:12.440 Because what this does, it sends out a message to everybody out there.

00:13:15.020 Because, of course, with laws, it doesn't matter exactly necessarily what is written

00:13:19.700 on the paper.

00:13:21.120 What matters is who's interpreting it and who's administering it.

00:13:24.400 And we know for a fact that in the UK right now, I would describe it as a very anti-white

00:13:30.160 regime that we're under.

00:13:32.040 I would say the same in the US as well right now.

00:13:34.700 And if you are not a protected class, if you are a native white Englishman, Welshman, Scott,

00:13:41.500 whichever, this sends out a message that even if you do anything, if you make any small comment

00:13:48.720 that might even just irritate, minorly annoy a police officer, they have complete authority

00:13:54.540 to be able to do whatever you want to break into your home and terrorize you and your family.

00:13:58.640 Anyway, it's all very distressing, to be perfectly honest, because people have an image of the

00:14:04.880 UK across the world sometimes.

00:14:07.860 And I hear this from people even at my own work sometimes, that we're the land that birthed

00:14:12.760 the modern conception of liberty.

00:14:14.260 We had the Magna Carta.

00:14:15.700 We fought a civil war to dispose of a tyrant, King, I think, Charles I, the Stuarts.

00:14:22.540 We deposed the Stuarts because they were going to step all over the liberties of the people.

00:14:26.900 And that's not what we live in.

00:14:28.980 England is not a free country.

00:14:30.380 And I don't think it's been a free country for as long as I've been alive.

00:14:33.220 I'm about 27 years old.

00:14:35.160 And I don't remember a time when this hasn't been the case in the UK.

00:14:39.000 And it's really sad to see.

00:14:41.140 Yeah, it is very confusing because, you know, a lot of us looking at the from the United States,

00:14:46.060 we think, OK, it's, you know, this Bill of Rights, freedom of speech, all these things

00:14:51.140 are from the English tradition, right?

00:14:53.060 The Bill of Rights of the United States is from the English Bill of Rights, you know,

00:14:57.580 the rights enumerated there, you know, that these things all flow.

00:15:02.600 And so this should be this is something that I think Americans just assume is somewhere,

00:15:06.680 you know, kind of inside the English tradition to sustain there.

00:15:10.160 But I mean, we do have a similar speech has been somewhat more protected in the United States,

00:15:17.360 but we do have a similar crush of bureaucratic law, right, especially in the United States

00:15:21.560 when it comes to taxes.

00:15:22.600 The old joke is, which is funny because, you know, we fought a whole war against you guys

00:15:26.300 over taxes.

00:15:26.820 So here we are.

00:15:27.980 But the old joke of the United States is, you know, the IRS knows how much you owe them,

00:15:32.920 but they won't tell you.

00:15:34.060 And if you get it wrong, they'll arrest you for not knowing what they already knew, right?

00:15:39.120 And this is and this is the thing is like every American is a criminal under kind of the

00:15:44.220 current American tax code, if nothing else.

00:15:47.360 And so it's, you know, the regime always has a reason to drop the boot on you.

00:15:51.580 It's just it's just always withholding.

00:15:54.600 It's an entirely an exercise of kind of their sovereign will as to whether or not they'll

00:16:00.460 actually crush you, which is why the kind of the rule of law quickly becomes a joke,

00:16:04.360 right?

00:16:04.620 Because, oh, look, we're a country of laws, not of men.

00:16:08.340 Well, actually, men enforce these laws and actually if you enumerate enough of these laws,

00:16:12.760 everyone's a criminal.

00:16:13.540 And so then the only question is who is deciding whether or not the law gets applied here.

00:16:18.660 But I did want to read this really quick before we talk a little more about the about the freedom

00:16:24.900 of speech issue here, because in this statement from the police here, they basically go on to

00:16:32.620 say, hey, you know, we recognize that some people are concerned.

00:16:37.680 They may not have liked our tone.

00:16:40.560 And my main thing, but the thing I love about this is really is like the most thing we want

00:16:44.600 you to know is that this woman is that this girl won't be charged.

00:16:47.340 Right.

00:16:47.840 Oh, well, how kind of you?

00:16:49.600 Right.

00:16:49.860 How how what beneficence for you?

00:16:52.760 Well, in that case, all is forgiven.

00:16:54.880 Thank you, guys.

00:16:55.640 I'm so glad that after distressing the family and putting them through a brutal experience,

00:17:01.120 at least she's not going to be punished on top of that.

00:17:03.960 Thank you.

00:17:04.800 Yeah.

00:17:05.080 It reminds me of Tsar Nicholas after like Bloody Sunday.

00:17:07.720 And he's like, the main thing is that I forgive you guys for marching on me, like the slaughter

00:17:13.860 of you in the streets, the blood that we're mopping.

00:17:16.140 I mean, you know, whatever.

00:17:17.920 But like, I forgive you.

00:17:19.480 Like, it's OK.

00:17:20.220 I mean, if I'm completely honest, like talking about, you know, the U.S. with the taxes,

00:17:25.300 thankfully, that's not something that we're burdened with over here.

00:17:29.160 Our taxes just immediately get taken.

00:17:30.860 We don't have to do all this ridiculous rigmarole where we have to guess exactly what the IRS

00:17:34.660 already knows that we owe them.

00:17:36.340 But when it comes to going back to the other rebellion, the civil war in England, I'm getting

00:17:41.800 more and more convinced by the day that we would have just been better left under the

00:17:46.480 Stuarts because I don't think they would have let this happen to us.

00:17:50.960 It really I mean, it really is amazing.

00:17:52.860 So, yeah, let's get in a little bit to this free speech tradition then.

00:17:56.540 Right.

00:17:56.800 So in the U.S., obviously, this is this is supposed to be supposed to be instantiated in the First

00:18:04.060 Amendment.

00:18:04.380 It's supposed to be one of the core five freedoms of the First Amendment, along with religion,

00:18:09.340 assembly, press, you know, petitioning the government.

00:18:12.200 All these things are supposed to be protected by the First Amendment.

00:18:17.020 I'm one of the foremost proponents of saying that the Constitution is not doing a great

00:18:21.500 job of this.

00:18:22.240 But there is at least I think that it does echo a more serious tradition of it in the United

00:18:29.100 States where, you know, even though if it's not being held to the same standard now, there

00:18:34.460 is still a wider understanding of this freedom in the UK.

00:18:38.860 It feels like that's been gone for a long time.

00:18:41.240 Like you said, this is something that that that is a law that is built off of things

00:18:45.620 that were passed in the 80s.

00:18:47.100 A lot of people, you know, talk about wokeness and how it's this American export.

00:18:52.120 But if the British were already censoring this kind of speech back under Margaret Thatcher,

00:18:57.780 I mean, is this more of a universe?

00:18:59.700 Is this an Anglo thing?

00:19:01.120 Is this a Western thing?

00:19:03.160 What what is happening here?

00:19:04.660 What happened?

00:19:05.860 Well, I will say that I think that when people look back on those defining moments of British

00:19:12.420 liberty, they do put them on somewhat of a rose tinted.

00:19:16.840 They put on the rose tinted goggles when they look back at them, because all of these freedoms

00:19:20.700 and liberties that have been afforded to the English people have always come with some

00:19:25.440 requirements on the side.

00:19:27.460 So when you go back to the 1688 Bill of Rights that we got after the Glorious Revolution,

00:19:30.920 it's still said all of these rights are for Englishmen, but not Catholics, not Catholics,

00:19:35.660 because the Stuarts were Catholics.

00:19:36.920 We don't like Catholics anymore because they're subservient to the Pope and King Henry VIII got

00:19:42.060 rid of that all for us.

00:19:43.000 The Tudors sorted all that out for us.

00:19:44.520 So we're not going to allow these extend the same rights to the to the to the Tudors.

00:19:48.740 There's always some kind of exception.

00:19:51.220 And it's whoever is determining that exception.

00:19:53.560 In the US, you guys have your constitution.

00:19:55.860 And I've recently been really enjoying reading De Maestra, who's an excellent read, if you

00:20:00.900 ever get the chance, if you're watching this and you haven't read him.

00:20:03.660 But I'm very much on his side when it comes to the idea of a constitution, which is just

00:20:08.100 having a piece of paper saying we are a nation now does not make you a nation.

00:20:12.160 A nation comes from something much deeper than that, a much thicker idea of identity.

00:20:16.420 You need to have some kind of bonds going back generations and generations that ties you

00:20:21.580 both ethnically and and to the soil as well.

00:20:25.880 But I think that has actually proven somewhat of a weakness in the UK, because as much as

00:20:31.880 the constitution over where you are isn't doing the most amazing job at defending all of your

00:20:36.920 freedoms, it is still somewhat more robust for the purposes at the moment than the unwritten

00:20:43.280 constitution that we have in the UK.

00:20:45.620 Because all it all it showed with Tony Blair, when he came in and started to just completely

00:20:50.060 upend the social fabric of the UK was that it just takes the wrong person to come in

00:20:56.680 and go, well, the constitution is unwritten.

00:20:59.100 So there's a kind of vibe.

00:21:01.400 There's a guideline of how this country should be governed and what aims it should be governed

00:21:06.100 for.

00:21:06.880 But we can still just completely upend that.

00:21:09.380 Margaret Thatcher was part of the initial upending of that.

00:21:12.160 The public order is quite ironic, actually, if you know anything about British history

00:21:16.380 in the 1980s, there was this huge, huge thing about the fact that the Tories under Thatcher

00:21:21.960 wanted to implement something called Section 28.

00:21:24.580 This is very controversial now because you have lots of leftist activists going back and

00:21:29.740 using this as some kind of linchpin to show everybody that Britain is an institutionally

00:21:34.620 homophobic country and always has been.

00:21:36.780 Because what it was, was that it was going to prevent schools from teaching gay stuff,

00:21:43.520 basically.

00:21:44.600 And, you know, in the long run, I'm sure you understand this in America as well.

00:21:48.300 Maybe we should have done a better job of actually passing that through.

00:21:52.160 Because it turns out that they might have been right in doing that.

00:21:55.980 It was a little slippery there.

00:21:57.760 Yeah, it was just a tad slippery.

00:22:00.320 But under Margaret Thatcher, who wanted to do that, they put in the public order in 1986.

00:22:06.020 And ironically, under that same legislation that she got passed through, they've now turned

00:22:10.400 that around to make it so that anything that could remotely be interpreted as homophobic

00:22:15.080 is illegal.

00:22:16.500 Because once again, there is no real free speech in the UK.

00:22:19.720 We have this kind of idea of freedom of speech where you go back to the tradition of somebody

00:22:24.620 like John Locke, who was talking about the freedom of speech that was necessary.

00:22:28.000 Once again, even he had exceptions and requirements when he was talking about freedom of speech,

00:22:32.540 all of these different liberal values.

00:22:34.560 Somebody pointed out to him, but if we allow all of this, won't it allow space for subversives

00:22:39.940 to come in and subvert the social order like atheists?

00:22:42.840 His qualification for this was, well, we'll just make atheism illegal then.

00:22:48.040 This has always been the English frame of mind, which is we'll have all of these principles

00:22:54.860 up to where common sense says maybe we should have a boundary there.

00:23:00.100 But now where common sense in our elites is, is so far removed, because it's under this

00:23:06.700 managerial frame of mind, from anything that you or I, or even your average working man

00:23:11.900 on the street would consider to be common sense.

00:23:14.680 And it leads to laws like the very, very infamous, and this is a big one for freedom of speech

00:23:20.280 in the UK, the Communications Act 2003.

00:23:23.340 Are you aware of this one?

00:23:25.440 I believe I've heard of it, but go ahead and refresh my memory.

00:23:28.960 You will be very familiar with this for one particular story, because it was section 127

00:23:33.660 of the Communications Act 2003 that turned Count Dankula into the star that he is today,

00:23:39.160 because that's the law that he was prosecuted under when he posted his original Nazi pug video

00:23:44.020 online.

00:23:45.300 So that one, if I just read from the description that I have up here for you, it makes it illegal

00:23:50.840 to send malicious communication using social media.

00:23:53.940 That's made a criminal offence.

00:23:55.140 It was declared an offence to persistently make use of a public electronic communications

00:23:58.800 network for the purpose of causing annoyance and convenience or needless anxiety.

00:24:02.760 Now, this clause was put in there initially because of the fact that they wanted to reduce

00:24:06.360 the number of silent telephone calls that people were receiving, because as you'd imagine,

00:24:11.020 it's not pleasant to go and answer your phone and find that somebody's just breathing

00:24:14.860 down the line at you.

00:24:15.640 So it kind of has somewhat of a noble intention, but then gets malformed later down the line

00:24:20.320 to make it so that, well, we can interpret this as if you're saying nasty things on social

00:24:24.800 media, well, then you're doing repeated annoying and inconvenient and causing needless anxiety.

00:24:31.820 And section 127, the one that Dank was prosecuted under, made it an offence to send a message

00:24:36.820 that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character over a public electronic

00:24:42.280 communications network.

00:24:43.260 Once again, that may have come with the greatest of intentions, with the best of intentions.

00:24:48.400 I can't read Blair or his cabinet or his MP's minds from the time, but this is how it's

00:24:53.220 been used since then.

00:24:55.220 All right.

00:24:55.780 I want to ask Harry another question about what this means about the growth of government

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00:26:18.660 So, Harry, as we've, you know, kind of run into multiple times, you've said multiple times.

00:26:23.660 Well, they passed this law with the best of intentions.

00:26:26.520 It was supposed to give us one thing and the other.

00:26:28.600 It's supposed to ban.

00:26:29.620 One thing, it got flipped over.

00:26:30.760 That's just for being charitable, but yeah, carry on.

00:26:33.340 Right.

00:26:34.140 But so we've kind of run into this multiple times.

00:26:38.080 Now, obviously, in America, the right kind of learned this lesson, I think, a little bit

00:26:41.740 with the Patriot Act and the way it turns out that eventually the war on terror is the

00:26:46.500 war on you.

00:26:47.680 But I think, you know, a lot of people then ask this question, and this is kind of the

00:26:51.720 libertarian to this, right?

00:26:53.260 Is government power is then just bad, right?

00:26:55.680 If this if this is a consistent problem, the government acquires this technology or this

00:27:01.540 power, this new provision, then kind of the key is just to restrict government, shrink

00:27:06.280 government at all times.

00:27:08.100 And then that way you don't have to worry about kind of a government accruing power.

00:27:11.780 So is this simply a function of government accruing power?

00:27:15.560 Is this something else?

00:27:17.640 I don't consider myself a libertarian.

00:27:20.000 I used to, but I don't anymore.

00:27:21.660 So I'm not going to turn around and say that this is just a function of the government, that

00:27:26.380 everything the government ever does turns terrible.

00:27:29.040 I'm going to say it's much more specific to the character of the elites and the governing

00:27:32.720 class that we have in power at the moment.

00:27:35.280 If used well, the government can be a force for good.

00:27:38.680 The state can be used to orient the masses and the public in a direction that's beneficial

00:27:44.860 for everybody.

00:27:45.780 I recently got done reading a book by Evelyn, where he was discussing fascism viewed from

00:27:50.560 his traditional perspective.

00:27:52.200 And he had a very interesting way of summing up what the what the state should be for.

00:27:58.440 And it kind of lines up a little bit with Hopper's idea of monarchy.

00:28:02.260 Ironically, given the two, I imagine would have disagreed a lot on a lot of things.

00:28:07.600 But I agree that used properly, government power can be a force for good.

00:28:12.780 But our elites don't want to use it for a force for good outside of benefiting the nebulous

00:28:18.980 idea of the universal man, the liberal idea of the universal man who is a simple economic

00:28:24.560 unit who can be moved about like a pawn on a chessboard into whatever area of the market

00:28:30.740 is most necessary for him to be in at that particular time.

00:28:34.860 And at the expense of the aging demographics that we have here in the West, and, you know,

00:28:42.020 they're not going to do anything that will benefit family formation over here.

00:28:46.920 So it's going to continue aging in their estimations.

00:28:49.740 If they see the trend lines, if they look at it through the purely rationalistic managerial

00:28:54.120 view of let's see what the graphs and the stats have to say.

00:28:57.340 Well, they're not going to do anything to try and improve that.

00:28:59.260 The demographics are going to keep aging.

00:29:00.920 So what they're going to do is they're going to keep importing foreigners over here.

00:29:04.160 Well, if you import foreigners over here, you're going to have divisions that come up because

00:29:08.100 of that.

00:29:08.880 And that's one of the reasons that a particular organization called Prevent was started, because

00:29:13.040 we have a lot of Islamic migration over to the UK.

00:29:16.300 I don't know.

00:29:17.540 You know, Callum, one of my colleagues.

00:29:19.620 I'm familiar.

00:29:20.200 Yeah.

00:29:21.380 Did you watch?

00:29:22.220 He has his own YouTube channel where he posts documentaries.

00:29:25.100 He did a video the other day that was really excellent.

00:29:27.840 I'd recommend everybody to watch it called Tourism in Merry Old England.

00:29:31.920 So in 2021, we had the government census.

00:29:35.540 And what this did, you know, it was a census.

00:29:37.380 It took down information from everybody regarding where they live, their demographic information,

00:29:42.940 including their ethnicity and their religion.

00:29:46.200 And when they eventually got around to releasing this information, because they definitely did

00:29:49.880 not want to release it at first, because for those worried about demographic replacement

00:29:53.900 in the UK, it wasn't going to quell their fears.

00:29:57.920 But they released a map online that you can access that will tell you the ethnic breakup

00:30:02.600 of various parts of the country, the entire country.

00:30:06.920 And you can go down to neighborhood level on this.

00:30:09.560 And if you zoom in, you can find parts of the UK that are just completely 0.0% white English.

00:30:16.120 So no British people live there whatsoever.

00:30:19.640 And there are parts of Tower Hamlets in London.

00:30:22.480 And there's also a town in, we've been speaking about West Yorkshire.

00:30:26.180 There's a town in West Yorkshire called Saviltown, which is 0.0% English.

00:30:31.680 So he traveled from there to there, and then went to one of the few places in the country

00:30:35.560 that's still 100% white English.

00:30:37.380 And, you know, we have, those areas were very Islamic.

00:30:42.980 Prevent, as an organization, was originally started to prevent Islamic terrorism.

00:30:48.900 It didn't do a particularly good job of that.

00:30:51.880 The UK had a number of very, very high profile Islamic terror attacks going all the way up

00:30:57.340 until 2017, when we had the MEN Manchester Arena bombings at the Ariana Grande concert,

00:31:03.220 which is actually, it's quite close home to me, because I had a friend who was attending

00:31:07.980 those concerts at the time who was there, who managed to get out, but she had to take

00:31:11.820 years of therapy to be able to get over what happened there.

00:31:17.000 What Prevent has done instead, in more recent years, has reorientated what they are doing.

00:31:22.880 So they're no longer exclusively focusing on Islamic terrorism, but they're doing something

00:31:27.300 very similar to what the FBI is doing in the US, which is focusing on homegrown domestic

00:31:32.940 terrorism, that being far-right white supremacists, meaning basically anybody in the UK who disagrees

00:31:40.280 with demographic replacement and the absolute travesty of what is being done to our country

00:31:46.040 at the moment.

00:31:46.860 It gets to the point where you see all of this constantly being done against the citizens

00:31:51.000 in the UK.

00:31:51.400 I wouldn't be surprised if I'm on the list, if I'm honest.

00:31:54.620 Once again, it doesn't take much to break a law in the UK, and I also go on a public platform,

00:32:00.820 put my face out there, put my name out there.

00:32:02.420 So I wouldn't be surprised if people are watching me.

00:32:04.540 People are probably watching Callum.

00:32:06.120 We live in a surveillance state in the UK, and it's absolutely dreadful.

00:32:11.980 Well, one of the things that I think kind of brings all that together, what you're talking

00:32:16.500 about there, is originally you're saying, well, John Locke just assumed that people would

00:32:20.840 have common sense, right?

00:32:22.220 They just have common sense.

00:32:23.840 But how can sense be common if you don't have a shared tradition, if you don't have a

00:32:28.700 shared culture, folk ways, religion, understandings of core basic values?

00:32:34.160 You can't have this basic thing like, okay, we can grant people liberty because there'll

00:32:40.540 be this general sense of what's right and wrong, what's shared, where our values are, where

00:32:45.800 the boundaries are.

00:32:46.620 And the society will police these things.

00:32:49.860 Yeah, we won't be able to liberate, but obviously we understand atheism is dangerous.

00:32:53.700 So we'll just, but seriously, it doesn't really transgress.

00:32:59.260 I just talked about this a little bit.

00:33:00.540 I did a video yesterday about rule of law.

00:33:02.960 It doesn't really transgress because all of the laws that are on the books in that scenario

00:33:08.160 where you share that culture and that understanding are ones that hew closely to kind of natural law.

00:33:14.020 They're all things that you would naturally have in place if your community wanted to pursue virtue.

00:33:20.720 But when you don't have that shared background, when you don't have that shared understanding

00:33:24.740 and moral vision, then you end up having these, you need general legislation to bind all of these

00:33:31.340 disparate factions together.

00:33:33.200 And so that's how, you know, we've seen these videos in the UK where people are getting arrested

00:33:37.480 for thinking prayers in their head outside of abortion clinics.

00:33:41.380 I mean, this is a country that was essential in the spread of Christendom.

00:33:45.640 And now they're imprisoning people because they might be thinking the wrong thoughts

00:33:49.520 outside of abortion clinic.

00:33:51.860 That only occurs because you have this general blanket idea of the universal man

00:33:57.220 instead of the specific culture of this is how we are.

00:34:00.220 This is how we understand our freedoms and liberties inside our, you know, inside our country.

00:34:04.740 Right?

00:34:04.920 Yeah, well, I mean, I'm not a big fan of John Locke being that I'm not a liberal.

00:34:12.000 I don't subscribe to the idea of the universal man.

00:34:13.980 But even when he was describing this idea of the universal man out of the state of nature,

00:34:18.220 once again, he had these exceptions that he would bring into it.

00:34:21.580 And I think one thing that we always need to take into account is that when people in the 1600s,

00:34:27.200 the original liberal philosophers were talking about the idea of this man,

00:34:31.680 they weren't actually being quite as universal as we take it as being now.

00:34:37.200 They were really talking about well-born European or Englishman.

00:34:42.680 That's who they were talking about.

00:34:44.640 In the same way that you look back at Aristotle, and he talks about democracy

00:34:49.220 and the need for certain elements of democracy being good

00:34:54.540 because it allows the people to be able to make their own decisions.

00:34:57.320 Well, in the ancient Greek conception of democracy,

00:35:00.480 the people was a very set few citizens, a few thousand people in an overall polis,

00:35:06.280 which was mostly made up of people who weren't citizens.

00:35:09.180 So you still have this idea of a closed community of people

00:35:12.960 who were intelligent enough and refined enough to be able to make the decisions.

00:35:18.220 But as we get further and further and further away from that,

00:35:20.840 that's when these ideas become more and more abstracted.

00:35:24.180 And you have to refer more to this general idea of common sense.

00:35:27.960 And I think England would still be a country with common sense

00:35:32.080 had we not opened the floodgates up to all of these new communities

00:35:37.540 who've come in here since the late 1990s when Tony Blair opened the floodgates.

00:35:42.420 Because even in 1997, when he was elected in,

00:35:45.420 England was still about, I think, 95.7% white English.

00:35:49.760 Going back to the 1950s, when supposedly we originally opened up the floodgates

00:35:54.040 in the Windrush generation to rebuild the country,

00:35:57.440 because now we still have, we have, sadly,

00:36:00.320 a cohort of based immigrant,

00:36:03.800 based people from immigrant background

00:36:06.200 who have, who appear regularly on television shows like GB News,

00:36:10.200 who associate themselves with our Conservative Party,

00:36:13.160 who will turn around and out of, as far as I can tell,

00:36:16.680 pure ethnic self-interest,

00:36:18.360 say, even though they're supposed to be based,

00:36:21.060 well, England would have been nothing

00:36:22.480 without the immigrants who came

00:36:24.060 and rebuilt this country after World War II.

00:36:26.560 Well, I'm sorry to break this to those people,

00:36:28.140 but back throughout the 1950s,

00:36:29.940 we were still 99.8% white English.

00:36:32.300 So it was the English, shockingly enough,

00:36:35.260 who rebuilt England.

00:36:36.740 But since then, social discohesion,

00:36:40.200 everything else that's come with that.

00:36:41.760 You've spoken to Morgoth recently,

00:36:43.360 so I'm sure you're well aware of the Rochdale grooming gang scandals

00:36:47.520 and a lot of the other things that have come

00:36:49.100 with the import of foreign populations

00:36:51.560 who do not share our values

00:36:52.860 and are actively hostile to us are.

00:36:54.980 But once again, it's the fact that the government

00:36:56.460 goes along with this

00:36:57.560 and actively makes it more difficult

00:36:58.980 for the host, well, the native population

00:37:01.840 to be able to speak about this.

00:37:04.640 When Morgoth was on,

00:37:05.980 did he mention the Equality Act to you?

00:37:08.580 No, but I am somewhat familiar.

00:37:11.400 Yes.

00:37:11.820 So we basically imported the Civil Rights Act

00:37:14.060 over into the UK.

00:37:16.340 In 2010, it was the dying gasp

00:37:19.220 of new labor under Gordon Brown

00:37:21.220 after, in 2007, Tony Blair had left.

00:37:24.280 They decided to pass through the Equalities Act,

00:37:26.660 which was something they'd have

00:37:27.760 in their 2005 manifesto pledge.

00:37:31.700 The Tories have been in power

00:37:33.380 for 13 plus years at this point.

00:37:36.160 They've still done nothing to repeal it.

00:37:37.820 They've done nothing to push back on it.

00:37:39.320 In fact, they've only strengthened it.

00:37:41.420 So the Equality Act of 2010,

00:37:43.740 it puts in protected classes

00:37:47.360 in the same way that the Civil Rights Act

00:37:49.500 of 1964 over in the US over there.

00:37:52.140 You have your protected classes

00:37:54.140 under that as well.

00:37:56.220 But this goes on, it goes to race,

00:37:59.340 it goes to gender, to gender transition.

00:38:01.740 This was something that was originally there

00:38:03.860 in 2010 as well.

00:38:05.120 So they were already protecting transition classes.

00:38:08.180 It also talks about sexual orientation,

00:38:11.000 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:38:12.220 And it does very similar things

00:38:13.780 to the Civil Rights Act.

00:38:15.600 It makes it so that you are unable

00:38:17.360 to legally discriminate against these people.

00:38:20.140 And it also makes it so that

00:38:21.440 if I just get the information

00:38:22.640 that I've got up here,

00:38:23.940 it has a clause, section 149,

00:38:26.520 which introduced a public sector equality duty,

00:38:29.640 which obliged public bodies

00:38:31.040 and tacitly as well businesses

00:38:33.480 to encourage persons

00:38:35.240 who share a relevant protected characteristic

00:38:37.240 to participate in public life

00:38:39.220 or in any other activity

00:38:40.320 in which participation by such persons

00:38:42.460 is disproportionately low.

00:38:43.800 Now, I've looked over the guidance

00:38:45.240 and what this means

00:38:46.680 is that they basically have to put in quotas.

00:38:49.960 Yeah, and it's...

00:38:50.940 Congratulations, you guys have a disparate impact.

00:38:53.900 You have your own Duke power, yeah.

00:38:56.800 I looked at the guidance earlier.

00:38:58.280 It's absolutely hilarious

00:38:59.420 how they get around

00:39:00.320 not calling it positive discrimination.

00:39:02.360 They call it positive action.

00:39:04.060 And they say that the...

00:39:04.960 They say the way...

00:39:06.060 The reason we know

00:39:06.900 that it's not positive discrimination

00:39:08.380 because, of course,

00:39:09.420 we still believe that discrimination

00:39:10.820 is a bad thing,

00:39:11.820 even when it's done against native English people.

00:39:14.440 They say,

00:39:15.200 well, we don't want you to put quotas in

00:39:16.980 because quotas,

00:39:17.800 they would be discriminatory.

00:39:19.040 But if you have targets,

00:39:20.920 if you have targets,

00:39:22.020 then that's absolutely fine.

00:39:23.480 Which, it's the same thing.

00:39:25.800 It's the exact same thing.

00:39:28.220 Somewhere Orwell is generating electricity

00:39:31.260 spinning in the grave, yeah.

00:39:33.200 Oh, absolutely, he is.

00:39:34.480 So, I guess the question is then,

00:39:39.440 I know it's bad in America

00:39:41.980 when it comes to the right.

00:39:43.520 Obviously, a lot of people have noticed

00:39:45.040 that the GOP is not the best protector

00:39:47.360 of American freedom

00:39:48.760 and barely putting up a fight in many ways.

00:39:52.080 But over in the UK,

00:39:54.460 it feels like the right, in theory,

00:39:56.520 the Tories, the Conservatives,

00:39:57.860 are actually driving a lot of this

00:39:59.560 in ways that the GOP are locking

00:40:02.280 in the gains of the left in America.

00:40:04.680 But in the UK,

00:40:05.320 it feels like the right-leaning party

00:40:07.300 is driving much of this change

00:40:10.020 in your country.

00:40:11.660 Oh, yeah.

00:40:12.060 The Tories that we have right now

00:40:13.840 are far more radical

00:40:15.020 than any political party

00:40:17.780 that I can think of

00:40:18.940 outside of fringe communist parties

00:40:21.480 who would never get into power

00:40:22.620 in the first place.

00:40:23.580 What's most damaging about the Tory party,

00:40:26.140 which is the name we have

00:40:27.020 for the Conservatives,

00:40:28.160 over here in the UK,

00:40:29.260 is that they are the longest-lasting

00:40:31.480 political party

00:40:32.460 who's ever existed,

00:40:34.000 as far as I can tell.

00:40:35.040 They have outlived

00:40:35.800 any other political party

00:40:37.080 you can think of.

00:40:37.820 They stretch back hundreds of years,

00:40:39.760 and they are also the most successful.

00:40:42.300 And they act as fantastic containment

00:40:44.460 for the right,

00:40:45.940 for the actual right.

00:40:47.000 Any right that might actually burst out

00:40:49.540 has, as far as I can tell in the UK,

00:40:52.360 if you want to go out

00:40:53.240 and do official action,

00:40:54.780 is completely cornered.

00:40:56.440 Because if you come out

00:40:57.420 and you say actual right-wing things,

00:40:59.920 then you will immediately

00:41:01.800 get prosecuted under the law.

00:41:03.740 Tommy Robinson, with the EDF,

00:41:05.280 he wasn't even an official party.

00:41:07.760 He was just a grassroots organisation

00:41:10.020 of, if I'm perfectly honest,

00:41:11.700 a bunch of football louts

00:41:12.880 who wanted to prevent gang rapes

00:41:15.900 and other such things

00:41:16.640 from happening in their hometown.

00:41:18.360 He gets prosecuted under the law

00:41:20.520 a number of times.

00:41:21.500 Even if he's not actually broken a law,

00:41:23.340 well, they'll find something

00:41:24.400 that he may have done somewhere

00:41:25.740 that we can charge him for anyway.

00:41:28.160 If you are an opposing party,

00:41:30.760 the Conservatives will try

00:41:33.280 to redirect the energy

00:41:34.800 that a party like UKIP had

00:41:36.380 under Brexit,

00:41:37.480 and will then transfer that energy

00:41:39.240 to themselves.

00:41:40.860 Because in 2019, Boris Johnson,

00:41:43.080 the leader of the Conservative Party

00:41:44.500 at that point,

00:41:45.620 campaigned under the promise

00:41:46.920 that he was going to get Brexit done.

00:41:49.320 Technically, he did.

00:41:50.580 But under his Brexit,

00:41:51.880 we did not become

00:41:52.780 a more local Britain.

00:41:54.020 We became a more global Britain.

00:41:56.340 And since his party came into power,

00:41:59.020 what happened was,

00:41:59.980 under Tony Blair,

00:42:01.020 when they opened the floodgates,

00:42:02.380 yes, we got massive influx

00:42:03.600 of immigration

00:42:04.140 that we never had before,

00:42:05.200 but most of it was still EU migration.

00:42:07.820 It was coming from Eastern Europe

00:42:09.220 and particularly Poland.

00:42:10.740 My hometown of Crewe

00:42:11.840 has a large Polish population

00:42:13.940 as a result of that.

00:42:15.620 And it's still bad

00:42:16.820 because they're,

00:42:17.820 to sound like a character

00:42:20.120 from Hot Fuzz,

00:42:20.900 they're not from here.

00:42:21.560 They're not from round here,

00:42:23.000 they're not.

00:42:24.220 But being European,

00:42:26.660 they still have a culture

00:42:27.720 that's close enough

00:42:28.460 that it's easier for them

00:42:29.680 to not necessarily assimilate,

00:42:32.160 but coexist

00:42:33.060 with the native population.

00:42:35.760 Since Boris Johnson came in,

00:42:37.360 we had visa restrictions lifted.

00:42:39.660 I forget the exact type of visa,

00:42:41.360 but I think before,

00:42:42.300 it was a limit of 20,000 visas

00:42:44.800 granted per year

00:42:46.080 to non-EU citizens.

00:42:47.960 That was just lifted.

00:42:48.980 That was lifted

00:42:50.300 since Boris Johnson came in.

00:42:52.000 So we've had more,

00:42:53.240 a gigantic influx

00:42:55.160 of foreign migrants

00:42:57.420 from mainly North Africa

00:42:58.960 and Sub-Saharan Africa

00:43:00.040 coming since then

00:43:01.160 alongside the illegal migrants

00:43:03.140 that we get

00:43:03.660 coming over on the boats

00:43:04.820 on the channel.

00:43:05.900 So that's not great,

00:43:07.340 but it happened

00:43:07.800 under the Conservatives.

00:43:09.080 So the Conservatives

00:43:09.820 took that energy

00:43:10.600 that UKIP built up

00:43:11.840 where people voted for Brexit

00:43:13.600 because we want to have

00:43:14.720 control of our borders,

00:43:15.700 we want sovereignty,

00:43:16.320 we don't want to have

00:43:17.160 the EU lording over us

00:43:18.880 and telling us

00:43:19.300 what we can and can't do.

00:43:20.540 And they turned that

00:43:21.420 into a leftist course

00:43:22.460 is what they did,

00:43:24.480 is what they always do

00:43:25.900 every single time.

00:43:27.300 Every single radical thing

00:43:29.060 that has happened

00:43:30.280 in this country

00:43:31.500 has been administered

00:43:32.600 by the Tories

00:43:33.860 ever since Labour left.

00:43:35.580 And they make things

00:43:37.640 that were administered

00:43:38.500 under and legislated

00:43:39.960 under the new Labour regime,

00:43:41.760 they make them worse.

00:43:43.760 So for instance,

00:43:44.280 the Communications Act,

00:43:45.460 obviously,

00:43:46.360 they were prosecuted,

00:43:47.420 that was prosecuted

00:43:48.240 by the SNP in Scotland

00:43:50.420 because it still goes over there.

00:43:52.340 But what the Communications Act did

00:43:54.580 was it created

00:43:55.120 a new regulatory body

00:43:56.440 for all online communications

00:43:58.940 and all,

00:43:59.820 well, sorry,

00:44:00.560 all media communications

00:44:02.200 called Ofcom.

00:44:03.560 I have worked

00:44:04.920 for public radio stations

00:44:06.740 in the past

00:44:07.440 that have been administered

00:44:08.540 by Ofcom.

00:44:09.660 They are a complete

00:44:11.340 ball lake to work with,

00:44:12.560 as you'd imagine,

00:44:13.160 with anything.

00:44:13.920 There's just red tape

00:44:14.700 after red tape

00:44:15.400 after red tape.

00:44:16.500 But for instance,

00:44:17.380 in the UK,

00:44:18.060 we have GB News

00:44:18.800 who are like our equivalent

00:44:19.780 of Fox News,

00:44:21.120 but somehow worse.

00:44:24.760 And as part of their

00:44:26.120 Ofcom regulations,

00:44:27.500 if you are having

00:44:28.240 a political debate

00:44:29.220 on something,

00:44:30.100 you can't just have

00:44:31.040 one person come on

00:44:32.100 and give their side

00:44:32.800 of the story.

00:44:33.220 You have to have

00:44:33.760 the opposing side

00:44:34.760 as well.

00:44:36.020 So if you ever tune

00:44:36.760 into GB News,

00:44:37.600 you'll find whenever

00:44:38.220 they're talking

00:44:38.600 about anything political,

00:44:39.880 oftentimes my colleague,

00:44:41.100 Connor,

00:44:41.380 will come on

00:44:42.360 and give

00:44:43.300 the right-wing view

00:44:44.480 and they will also

00:44:45.500 have some random,

00:44:47.520 sometimes actual

00:44:48.580 communist,

00:44:49.220 I think Connor

00:44:49.760 is appearing

00:44:50.240 maybe tomorrow

00:44:51.000 or a few days after

00:44:52.420 on GB News soon

00:44:54.140 with a man called

00:44:54.680 Aaron Bastani

00:44:55.500 who runs a literally

00:44:57.400 communist news organization

00:44:59.020 in the UK

00:44:59.740 called Navarra Media.

00:45:01.380 So you have to have

00:45:02.720 what's the idea

00:45:03.800 of balance

00:45:05.420 between the opposing

00:45:06.700 viewpoints

00:45:07.220 because you don't want

00:45:07.860 to overwhelm the public

00:45:09.140 with some idea

00:45:10.340 that this is the only

00:45:11.440 way to go.

00:45:11.920 You have to show

00:45:12.420 that balance.

00:45:14.020 What the government

00:45:14.860 is trying to do

00:45:15.720 at the moment

00:45:16.140 under the Tories

00:45:16.880 is introduce

00:45:17.520 the online safety bill.

00:45:19.840 What that would do

00:45:20.720 is one,

00:45:22.240 the original wording

00:45:23.580 of the legislation

00:45:24.360 made it so that

00:45:25.380 it would outlaw

00:45:26.380 legal but harmful speech.

00:45:30.120 So that was literally

00:45:32.460 speech they don't like.

00:45:34.820 And if you call it

00:45:35.780 legal but harmful

00:45:36.560 you have therefore

00:45:37.300 made it illegal.

00:45:38.520 So the calling it legal

00:45:39.860 in the first place

00:45:40.500 is a complete moot point.

00:45:41.900 But it would also put

00:45:43.100 all online communications

00:45:45.680 which would include me

00:45:47.120 under the Lotus Eaters

00:45:48.380 and even probably

00:45:49.180 what we're doing right now

00:45:50.500 under the remit

00:45:52.020 of Ofcom regulation

00:45:53.280 which would mean

00:45:54.100 that Lotus Eaters

00:45:55.040 as it exists right now

00:45:57.100 would not be allowed

00:45:58.660 to exist.

00:45:59.440 We would probably

00:46:00.140 have to move to America

00:46:01.240 so that we can enjoy

00:46:02.200 some of your freedom.

00:46:03.320 Although I did just find out

00:46:04.400 that Wyoming only has

00:46:05.400 a population of

00:46:06.160 500,000 people

00:46:07.380 and is bigger than England.

00:46:09.040 So God,

00:46:09.640 imagine the wide open spaces.

00:46:11.200 We just don't get that over here.

00:46:12.940 Yeah,

00:46:13.120 they might notice you guys

00:46:14.620 over there though.

00:46:15.220 You might stand out a bit.

00:46:17.300 Not from around here.

00:46:19.400 Yeah,

00:46:19.960 I suppose that would be

00:46:20.820 the same problem,

00:46:21.640 wouldn't it?

00:46:22.260 But we would essentially

00:46:23.000 have to be some kind of

00:46:24.440 free speech refugees

00:46:26.220 because what we would need

00:46:27.960 to do to make up for it

00:46:29.080 is on every show

00:46:30.240 because every show we do

00:46:31.380 is discussing political matters.

00:46:32.800 We would have to have

00:46:33.800 someone there

00:46:34.600 who can provide

00:46:35.560 the opposing viewpoint

00:46:36.780 which would destroy

00:46:37.940 the entire format

00:46:38.780 of the show

00:46:39.280 and is obviously

00:46:40.380 just another way

00:46:41.300 of trying to demolish

00:46:42.740 any kind of free speech

00:46:44.300 that we have

00:46:44.960 that could build

00:46:46.160 right-wing momentum

00:46:47.420 and energy.

00:46:48.720 And outside of all

00:46:49.520 of the sneaky legislation

00:46:50.680 they do,

00:46:51.360 we've just seen

00:46:51.940 with Nigel Farage recently,

00:46:53.620 if they just don't like

00:46:54.480 what you're doing,

00:46:55.060 they'll just take your bank away.

00:46:56.700 So I don't like

00:46:59.020 sounding like a doomer

00:47:00.140 because I do think

00:47:01.280 that there are lots

00:47:02.000 of cracks of weakness

00:47:02.860 in the regime

00:47:03.580 at the moment.

00:47:04.520 It won't last forever

00:47:05.780 and one day

00:47:08.100 there will come a day

00:47:09.100 when we will win.

00:47:10.940 I honestly and truly

00:47:12.300 believe that.

00:47:13.380 But as it stands right now,

00:47:15.100 because of the legal maze

00:47:16.880 that we find ourselves in,

00:47:18.360 I don't see a direct route

00:47:23.980 to victory.

00:47:24.620 I don't even see

00:47:25.180 a direct route

00:47:25.960 for a party

00:47:27.120 to be able to emerge

00:47:28.420 that would be able

00:47:29.660 to provide any kind

00:47:31.340 of wins for us.

00:47:32.200 I mean,

00:47:32.880 once again,

00:47:33.500 if you want,

00:47:33.980 not in the UK

00:47:34.740 but in Europe,

00:47:35.780 AFD in Germany

00:47:37.020 right now.

00:47:38.140 Germany is going

00:47:38.880 full liberal democracy

00:47:40.600 and just deciding

00:47:41.380 to ban.

00:47:43.120 They're just going to ban

00:47:44.480 their opposing parties.

00:47:46.160 It's ridiculous.

00:47:47.580 Yeah, well,

00:47:48.000 then let me go ahead

00:47:48.640 and frame that question

00:47:49.640 for you then

00:47:50.140 before we go to

00:47:50.800 the questions

00:47:51.680 of the audience

00:47:52.360 real quick.

00:47:53.060 So, yeah,

00:47:54.180 the last thing

00:47:54.660 I wanted to ask you

00:47:55.420 was obviously,

00:47:56.560 you know,

00:47:56.720 the freedoms

00:47:57.760 of liberal democracy,

00:47:58.960 right?

00:47:59.140 We've got to lecture Putin

00:48:01.820 and all these other

00:48:02.600 world leaders

00:48:03.340 because they're

00:48:04.080 the authoritarians

00:48:05.180 and we're the West

00:48:06.460 and we believe

00:48:07.700 in democracy

00:48:08.380 though it's always

00:48:09.440 under threat.

00:48:10.280 It seems like

00:48:10.660 the existence

00:48:11.800 of opposition

00:48:12.600 is just this amazing

00:48:13.600 threat to democracy

00:48:14.580 which makes you wonder

00:48:15.540 what democracy means

00:48:16.420 but we have all these

00:48:17.240 Western liberal democracies

00:48:18.520 that are suddenly

00:48:19.540 very interested

00:48:20.600 in banning

00:48:21.580 any kind of opposition.

00:48:23.240 Like you said,

00:48:23.580 Germany getting rid

00:48:24.560 of parties

00:48:25.160 that are becoming

00:48:25.760 too popular there

00:48:26.720 because that's how

00:48:27.440 democracy works.

00:48:28.260 If there's a popular party

00:48:29.580 you just ban it

00:48:30.700 and then you win

00:48:31.400 the election.

00:48:32.240 So I'm Hussein Sal,

00:48:33.160 right?

00:48:33.380 99% for me.

00:48:34.780 You know,

00:48:35.000 I just killed

00:48:35.480 all my bones.

00:48:36.260 It's amazing.

00:48:37.200 You know,

00:48:37.720 in America,

00:48:38.460 obviously,

00:48:39.400 we had a better,

00:48:40.520 you know,

00:48:41.260 record on this

00:48:41.900 for the most part

00:48:42.740 but now it seems

00:48:43.920 like we're speed running

00:48:45.100 catching up

00:48:45.700 with everybody here

00:48:46.540 because now they're

00:48:47.940 indicted

00:48:48.600 Donald Trump

00:48:49.800 for the fourth time.

00:48:52.000 This time

00:48:52.420 Donald Trump

00:48:52.900 is accused

00:48:53.420 of very dangerous

00:48:54.260 behavior like

00:48:54.920 quoting the Constitution.

00:48:57.680 I'm not joking here.

00:48:59.980 These are things

00:49:00.480 I've not looked

00:49:01.080 into the most recent

00:49:02.080 impeachment.

00:49:02.780 Is that it?

00:49:03.380 He's quoted

00:49:03.960 the Constitution.

00:49:05.140 He asked people

00:49:05.840 to watch

00:49:06.560 a news program.

00:49:09.240 He conferred

00:49:11.340 with lawyers

00:49:12.100 which is definitely

00:49:13.060 not a Sixth Amendment

00:49:14.080 right under the Constitution.

00:49:15.460 You can't just go read

00:49:16.440 specifically that right

00:49:17.940 directly.

00:49:18.860 But these are all things

00:49:19.900 that Donald Trump

00:49:20.340 is now accused

00:49:21.340 of in his latest

00:49:23.520 indictment.

00:49:24.540 It's very clear

00:49:25.200 that the push,

00:49:25.980 you know,

00:49:26.120 we've jailed,

00:49:27.220 you know,

00:49:27.360 I remember that,

00:49:29.020 you know,

00:49:29.500 Carl Benjamin,

00:49:30.060 he would debate

00:49:30.680 with the academic agent

00:49:31.660 and he would say,

00:49:32.200 oh, you know,

00:49:33.160 I know you hate liberalism

00:49:34.480 but liberalism

00:49:35.220 is not that bad.

00:49:35.960 You know,

00:49:36.160 you're doing your show,

00:49:37.240 right?

00:49:37.380 You're not in the gulag.

00:49:38.420 It's like,

00:49:39.000 well,

00:49:39.400 that time feels

00:49:40.600 like it's fast

00:49:41.400 approaching us,

00:49:42.540 right?

00:49:42.700 Like we're in the situation

00:49:44.360 where any political

00:49:46.040 opposition,

00:49:46.740 guys like Douglas Mackey

00:49:47.700 in America

00:49:48.160 are convicted

00:49:49.320 of making memes,

00:49:51.140 could face 10 years

00:49:52.180 in jail here

00:49:52.800 at this point.

00:49:53.540 It feels like

00:49:54.060 all of these

00:49:54.740 Western liberal democracies

00:49:55.800 are simultaneously

00:49:56.700 moving towards,

00:49:57.960 you know,

00:49:58.960 kind of this,

00:49:59.660 making it illegal

00:50:01.340 to have any kind

00:50:02.040 of opposition.

00:50:03.200 How long,

00:50:04.100 and it sounds like

00:50:04.640 you're saying,

00:50:05.100 you know,

00:50:05.220 these cracks are showing,

00:50:06.780 but how long

00:50:07.600 can this fantasy

00:50:09.120 of freedom

00:50:10.640 under,

00:50:11.200 you know,

00:50:11.640 under Western hegemony

00:50:12.880 continue to survive

00:50:14.640 the actual actions

00:50:15.920 of these Western democracies?

00:50:17.700 government.

00:50:19.180 Well,

00:50:19.740 I mean,

00:50:20.060 I can't really say

00:50:21.220 for sure

00:50:21.880 because everything

00:50:23.580 that I've been looking

00:50:24.420 into recently

00:50:25.460 shows that,

00:50:26.900 once again,

00:50:27.140 the cracks are showing.

00:50:28.240 Everybody can see

00:50:29.660 what's happening.

00:50:31.100 All that needs

00:50:31.940 to happen

00:50:32.620 for the cracks

00:50:34.180 to just fully explode

00:50:35.680 and for the whole system

00:50:36.960 to come crumbling down

00:50:38.340 would be

00:50:39.220 for some kind

00:50:40.420 of organized

00:50:41.200 political opposition

00:50:42.380 because we both know

00:50:43.940 that you can't just have

00:50:45.000 the populist mass

00:50:46.320 of the people

00:50:46.960 rise up

00:50:48.460 and take back

00:50:49.620 the power.

00:50:50.200 That's not how

00:50:50.660 these things work.

00:50:51.480 You need some kind

00:50:52.180 of organized group

00:50:53.920 who are able

00:50:54.940 to organize

00:50:56.220 the masses

00:50:56.880 and affect

00:50:58.080 real change

00:50:58.860 in that way.

00:50:59.800 But the regime

00:51:02.640 is showing

00:51:03.160 more and more

00:51:03.880 that it's just happy

00:51:04.820 to stop acting

00:51:06.260 the fox

00:51:06.940 and play a little bit

00:51:08.280 more of the lion.

00:51:09.260 These are still

00:51:10.100 very pathetic people

00:51:11.720 who are in charge

00:51:12.740 of these countries

00:51:13.440 right now.

00:51:14.160 Honestly,

00:51:14.600 I would respect

00:51:15.480 them more

00:51:16.520 if they did

00:51:17.480 just start

00:51:18.500 breaking out

00:51:19.160 the guillotines.

00:51:20.040 But they don't

00:51:21.080 because they are cowards.

00:51:22.580 They are moral cowards

00:51:24.240 at the end of the day.

00:51:25.700 But they've shown

00:51:26.480 that they have built

00:51:27.180 up this gigantic

00:51:28.260 facade around them

00:51:29.420 of all of these laws

00:51:30.340 that give them

00:51:30.820 any reason

00:51:31.560 at any time

00:51:32.560 to be able to arrest

00:51:33.720 you and outlaw

00:51:34.600 your existence

00:51:35.200 and outlaw

00:51:36.220 your beliefs

00:51:37.020 as well.

00:51:38.500 So as long

00:51:40.040 as that still happens,

00:51:41.380 as long as they still

00:51:42.140 have the will

00:51:43.140 to actually

00:51:44.740 effectively

00:51:45.660 combat their opposition

00:51:47.300 in such a way

00:51:48.500 where they just

00:51:48.940 make it illegal

00:51:49.620 for you to oppose them,

00:51:51.260 I can't say for certain

00:51:52.540 how long it can last.

00:51:53.740 But I can say

00:51:54.440 for certain

00:51:55.240 that I don't think

00:51:56.600 it can last

00:51:57.180 for that much longer

00:51:58.320 because it's so transparent

00:52:00.920 is why there are

00:52:02.440 other elite groups

00:52:03.520 beginning to rise up

00:52:05.080 instead

00:52:05.600 and reveal

00:52:06.800 to the population

00:52:07.680 at large

00:52:08.200 that this is

00:52:08.680 what's going on.

00:52:09.720 People don't believe

00:52:10.660 in liberal democracy

00:52:11.640 anymore.

00:52:12.140 Liberal democracy

00:52:12.840 has been sold

00:52:13.500 to people

00:52:14.000 as a beautiful system

00:52:16.060 where you get a say

00:52:17.960 in what your country

00:52:19.340 does and the policies

00:52:20.640 that your country

00:52:21.340 puts forward

00:52:22.060 and what you're governed by.

00:52:23.760 But it's become

00:52:24.440 clearer and clearer

00:52:25.360 in recent years

00:52:26.800 that what Sam Francis

00:52:27.720 said about liberalism

00:52:29.120 is true.

00:52:29.880 It's not a system.

00:52:31.040 It's not a system

00:52:31.800 that allows you

00:52:32.500 to affect meaningful reform.

00:52:34.440 It is a set of beliefs

00:52:35.980 that are preferred

00:52:36.760 by our current elites

00:52:38.200 and they want to keep it

00:52:39.600 that way

00:52:40.060 and they don't want

00:52:41.180 anybody

00:52:41.780 who isn't already

00:52:42.980 one of them

00:52:43.720 to be part

00:52:44.660 of their party.

00:52:45.800 They don't want

00:52:46.400 anybody else

00:52:47.280 who can come

00:52:47.780 and affect it

00:52:48.360 so that their preferences

00:52:49.440 aren't always

00:52:50.460 the ones being

00:52:51.260 given primacy.

00:52:52.480 So I don't know

00:52:53.600 how long it can last

00:52:54.740 but I don't think

00:52:55.820 it could last

00:52:56.960 maybe more than

00:53:00.420 my grandchildren's lifetime.

00:53:03.100 maybe I'm being

00:53:04.320 maybe I'm being

00:53:05.480 a bit long

00:53:06.040 on the timescale there

00:53:07.040 but I still

00:53:07.500 as it stands right now

00:53:08.720 I don't see a way

00:53:09.480 out of this

00:53:10.000 if we're not allowed

00:53:10.740 to organize

00:53:11.680 effective opposition.

00:53:14.060 I think you're right

00:53:14.580 that it's not eternal

00:53:15.520 but it is a

00:53:16.200 multi-generational project

00:53:17.620 and it doesn't get started

00:53:19.260 if you don't start it now

00:53:20.380 so that's very important.

00:53:22.240 All right guys

00:53:22.760 before we go ahead

00:53:23.580 and pivot over

00:53:24.300 to the questions

00:53:25.160 of the people

00:53:25.740 Harry where should people

00:53:26.640 look for your great work?

00:53:28.960 Oh well you should

00:53:29.740 go over to

00:53:30.240 lotuseaters.com

00:53:31.780 you can find me on there

00:53:33.240 I do a regular

00:53:34.180 monthly series

00:53:34.960 with my colleague Connor

00:53:35.900 where we indulge

00:53:37.180 in our nerdy autism

00:53:38.580 and we talk about

00:53:39.560 comic books

00:53:40.220 we also do book clubs

00:53:41.780 like of many

00:53:43.040 different styles of books

00:53:44.280 I think one that

00:53:45.360 we're going to be doing soon

00:53:46.360 is looking at the book

00:53:47.760 that Nora Vinson wrote

00:53:48.920 where she dressed

00:53:50.200 as a man for a year

00:53:51.600 so she could get the idea

00:53:52.780 of what it's like

00:53:53.360 to be a man

00:53:53.980 and realized

00:53:55.360 it's not as rosy

00:53:56.260 as lots of feminists

00:53:57.400 seem to think it is.

00:53:59.020 It turns out

00:53:59.520 when everybody

00:54:00.240 on the street

00:54:00.840 sees you as a piece

00:54:01.760 of dirt

00:54:02.360 to be stepped on

00:54:03.300 life isn't quite as easy

00:54:04.880 as you might expect

00:54:05.760 it to be

00:54:06.220 and we also do

00:54:07.820 a daily podcast

00:54:08.660 that you can find

00:54:09.340 on YouTube

00:54:09.740 on the podcast

00:54:10.420 Lotus Eaters

00:54:11.180 along with me

00:54:12.200 you can find

00:54:12.700 as I mentioned

00:54:13.120 my colleague Connor

00:54:13.860 there

00:54:14.160 my great colleague

00:54:15.880 Stelios

00:54:16.320 who does great work

00:54:17.280 on philosophy

00:54:17.940 Carl Benjamin

00:54:19.200 Sargon of Akkad

00:54:20.140 I'm sure many of your viewers

00:54:21.300 will be very familiar with

00:54:22.340 he does regular content

00:54:23.780 there as well

00:54:24.560 so it's a really

00:54:25.640 great website

00:54:26.340 and we offer

00:54:27.920 subscriptions

00:54:28.440 for all the premium stuff

00:54:29.540 for as little as

00:54:30.100 five pounds a month

00:54:30.920 so well worth

00:54:32.100 the investment

00:54:32.560 if you ask me

00:54:33.220 yeah you guys

00:54:34.060 need to keep

00:54:34.580 the 40k

00:54:35.480 think pieces coming

00:54:36.360 that's where

00:54:36.860 there's only been

00:54:38.440 one so far

00:54:39.260 but I know

00:54:39.700 that Carl's got

00:54:40.380 at least

00:54:40.820 another dozen

00:54:42.000 yeah just

00:54:42.760 ready to go

00:54:43.620 yeah make sure

00:54:44.280 that the demand

00:54:45.320 is filed

00:54:45.900 okay I know

00:54:46.520 it's there

00:54:46.940 I know the audience

00:54:47.720 is there

00:54:48.100 everybody's looking

00:54:48.760 for it

00:54:49.260 all right

00:54:49.980 so

00:54:50.300 absolutely man

00:54:53.080 all right

00:54:53.980 so David

00:54:54.840 Sar here

00:54:55.260 for five dollars

00:54:56.060 cheers

00:54:56.540 bruv

00:54:56.940 bruv

00:54:57.340 the plural

00:54:58.340 glad to see

00:54:59.420 this crossover

00:55:00.020 finally happen

00:55:00.760 well thank you man

00:55:01.540 we definitely

00:55:01.900 appreciate it

00:55:03.560 Alyosha

00:55:04.900 for a hundred dollars

00:55:05.960 thank you very much

00:55:07.120 sir very much

00:55:07.740 appreciate it

00:55:08.300 and very generous

00:55:09.120 of you

00:55:09.460 and yes

00:55:10.780 we will continue

00:55:11.420 to kick all of the

00:55:12.340 butts

00:55:12.580 thank you very much

00:55:13.580 yeah

00:55:14.660 I wish you had

00:55:15.480 a larger question

00:55:16.180 there I feel like

00:55:17.020 we should be

00:55:17.700 going in depth

00:55:18.580 on that one

00:55:19.400 and if he wants

00:55:19.860 to give us

00:55:20.220 a hundred dollars

00:55:20.920 just for keeping

00:55:21.560 on kicking ass

00:55:22.340 I say you take it

00:55:23.260 we'll continue

00:55:23.900 we'll continue

00:55:24.840 all right

00:55:25.760 super joe's

00:55:26.860 midlife crisis

00:55:27.640 ten dollars

00:55:28.360 Warren tell Harry

00:55:29.420 to get a makeup girl

00:55:30.480 yeah guys

00:55:30.980 so I mean

00:55:31.520 if you're not

00:55:32.000 like it's always

00:55:32.920 weird to me

00:55:33.460 because like

00:55:33.820 I just have

00:55:34.280 the home studio

00:55:34.980 which is why

00:55:35.540 I'm like shiny

00:55:36.440 here but then

00:55:37.080 like I go

00:55:37.560 into the blaze

00:55:38.220 and they're

00:55:38.680 hitting you

00:55:39.000 with makeup

00:55:39.440 you know

00:55:39.960 brushes

00:55:40.340 and everything

00:55:41.020 oh we don't

00:55:41.460 have makeup

00:55:41.960 yeah yeah

00:55:42.660 yeah it's very

00:55:43.340 surreal

00:55:43.820 but it does

00:55:45.060 keep you

00:55:45.380 from being shiny

00:55:46.180 so

00:55:46.560 okay just

00:55:47.800 because a lot

00:55:48.440 of people

00:55:48.880 pointed this

00:55:49.600 out recently

00:55:50.220 it's worse

00:55:50.880 since we moved

00:55:51.520 into the new

00:55:52.060 studio

00:55:52.540 I think it's

00:55:53.200 because we've

00:55:53.580 got new

00:55:53.920 studio

00:55:54.200 you've got

00:55:54.380 better lights

00:55:54.980 yeah

00:55:55.260 yeah we've

00:55:56.220 got better

00:55:56.500 lights

00:55:56.760 so I just

00:55:57.120 should look

00:55:57.420 shinier on

00:55:58.000 it

00:55:58.140 right now

00:55:58.840 it's because

00:55:59.260 before I came

00:56:00.040 on this

00:56:00.340 I had a pretty

00:56:00.980 heavy gym session

00:56:01.900 so that's why

00:56:03.600 I'm sorry

00:56:04.600 I don't have

00:56:05.620 a professional

00:56:06.180 setup

00:56:06.660 I don't have

00:56:07.260 a brick wall

00:56:07.840 I do have

00:56:08.360 I do have

00:56:08.920 artwork

00:56:09.220 I've got

00:56:09.740 Dragon Ball Z

00:56:10.480 artwork

00:56:10.840 so that's the

00:56:11.840 best I can do

00:56:12.580 yeah until I

00:56:13.580 see blind

00:56:14.000 guardian

00:56:14.660 background

00:56:15.260 it's not

00:56:16.600 enough

00:56:16.860 I'm so

00:56:18.840 tempted to

00:56:19.340 start

00:56:19.580 posting

00:56:20.080 covers

00:56:20.940 guitar

00:56:21.640 covers

00:56:22.160 of blind

00:56:22.760 guardian

00:56:23.140 I've been

00:56:23.700 going through

00:56:24.020 a big

00:56:24.360 dimmubore gear

00:56:25.180 phase as well

00:56:25.960 at the moment

00:56:26.440 so god

00:56:27.240 I don't want to

00:56:28.220 get onto that

00:56:28.800 because we

00:56:29.120 could probably go

00:56:29.760 for hours

00:56:30.220 we'll set up

00:56:31.480 another episode

00:56:32.300 there

00:56:32.680 Tex-Mex for

00:56:33.800 five dollars

00:56:34.360 looks like just

00:56:34.880 a thank you

00:56:35.360 appreciate it

00:56:35.800 man oh no

00:56:36.240 there's another

00:56:36.680 hit one here

00:56:37.220 with a question

00:56:38.500 thank you sir

00:56:39.300 Oren have you

00:56:40.320 heard of

00:56:40.680 Carlism it's a

00:56:41.800 traditional Catholic

00:56:42.460 and Spanish

00:56:43.200 counter-revolutionary

00:56:44.020 movement from

00:56:44.740 the 1800s

00:56:45.780 there's a chapter

00:56:46.620 in Texas

00:56:47.040 yeah I'm pretty

00:56:47.700 sure they were

00:56:48.280 one of the

00:56:48.880 factions in the

00:56:49.720 Spanish Civil

00:56:50.460 War along with

00:56:52.000 the Falangists

00:56:52.700 and others I

00:56:53.520 believe so yeah

00:56:54.860 I mean I'm not

00:56:55.420 super familiar

00:56:56.260 with the specifics

00:56:57.500 of the tradition

00:56:58.280 but yeah I'm

00:56:59.160 aware of it as

00:57:00.040 a historical

00:57:00.880 event actually

00:57:02.420 I'm going to

00:57:03.060 have Panama

00:57:03.560 hat for those

00:57:05.220 who are familiar

00:57:05.680 he'll be on

00:57:06.500 Thursday and

00:57:07.020 we'll be discussing

00:57:07.700 the the causes

00:57:09.280 of the Spanish

00:57:09.860 Civil War so

00:57:10.760 if you'd like to

00:57:11.320 learn more about

00:57:12.000 that then I

00:57:13.000 think you'll

00:57:13.360 probably get

00:57:13.960 we'll probably

00:57:14.480 touch on

00:57:15.140 multiple factions

00:57:16.720 many people don't

00:57:17.580 know that the

00:57:17.980 right and left

00:57:18.340 are made up of

00:57:18.800 many different

00:57:19.280 factions there

00:57:19.980 a lot going on

00:57:21.840 in the Spanish

00:57:22.300 Civil War so

00:57:22.800 we'll be diving

00:57:23.560 deeper into that

00:57:24.580 so we might

00:57:25.460 hear more on

00:57:26.040 that

00:57:26.180 yes

00:57:27.020 I did

00:57:28.140 Bo my

00:57:29.320 colleague has

00:57:30.020 a series called

00:57:30.860 epochs where we

00:57:31.500 talk about history

00:57:32.220 the only episode

00:57:33.520 I've appeared on

00:57:34.220 so far I was

00:57:35.040 talking about the

00:57:35.680 Spanish Civil War

00:57:36.620 with him and it

00:57:37.460 was very very

00:57:38.120 informative so

00:57:38.900 please check that

00:57:39.600 out as well and

00:57:40.460 definitely tune in

00:57:41.300 to see Panama

00:57:41.860 hat because I

00:57:42.460 know Panama

00:57:43.300 he's an

00:57:43.740 absolutely

00:57:44.160 wonderful chap

00:57:45.260 nice so we'll

00:57:46.120 have a one-two

00:57:46.840 punch of

00:57:47.520 Spanish Civil War

00:57:48.920 history there

00:57:49.480 guys if you want

00:57:50.180 to check both

00:57:50.760 of those out

00:57:51.280 all right everybody

00:57:52.320 I think we have

00:57:53.320 hit all of the

00:57:54.440 super chats there

00:57:55.380 I want to thank

00:57:55.940 everybody for

00:57:56.520 coming by

00:57:57.280 Harry despite our

00:57:59.340 multiple technological

00:58:01.360 failures I think

00:58:02.220 we managed to put

00:58:02.780 together quite a

00:58:04.760 good show

00:58:05.500 everybody seemed to

00:58:06.140 enjoy it thank you

00:58:07.020 very much for

00:58:07.500 coming on by it's

00:58:08.220 been coming on

00:58:09.420 man it's been a

00:58:09.900 pleasure

00:58:10.120 well thank you again

00:58:11.760 for inviting me on

00:58:12.680 hopefully we can do

00:58:13.320 this again sometime

00:58:14.100 and talk about

00:58:14.860 something a little

00:58:15.400 bit more cheerful

00:58:16.060 absolutely we'll

00:58:17.240 we'll do our best

00:58:18.000 we'll find something

00:58:18.760 power metal we'll

00:58:20.200 do the power metal

00:58:20.860 episode it's the

00:58:22.300 most cheerful of

00:58:23.200 all metals so it

00:58:24.320 you know we can

00:58:24.980 the most based as

00:58:26.120 well absolutely yes

00:58:27.480 100% all right

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00:58:29.580 first time here of

00:58:30.260 course please make

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - August 15, 2023

The Absolute State of Britain ｜ Guest： Harry Robinson ｜ 8⧸15⧸23

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