The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Constitutional Crisis Is Already Here ｜ Guest： Jesse Kelly ｜ 4⧸25⧸25

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00:01:14.960 So in the first Trump administration, we saw an insane amount of pushback from the deep state.

00:01:21.180 And this time going in, the Trump administration knew it was going to have to battle that entrenched bureaucracy.

00:01:25.460 But this time around, we've seen insane pushback from a rogue judiciary.

00:01:30.420 Judges who think that they are in charge, that they are the ones who run the executive branch,

00:01:35.000 and that elections really don't matter.

00:01:37.480 But the Trump administration has recently struck back, it would seem,

00:01:41.300 arresting a judge in Wisconsin for aiding and abetting a fleeing illegal immigrant.

00:01:47.560 Joining me to discuss that today is author and radio host, Jesse Kelly.

00:01:51.260 Thanks for coming on, man.

00:01:52.580 It's an honor, brother.

00:01:53.580 Big fan, as you know.

00:01:54.560 Oh, and right back at you.

00:01:56.700 No, it's been great to see you on Twitter.

00:01:59.540 I feel sometimes like I'm taking crazy pills, like I'm the only one who knows what time it is.

00:02:04.140 Does no one else see what's going on?

00:02:06.340 We have all these national review types, all these people hectoring us over and over again

00:02:10.360 about procedure and everything.

00:02:11.900 And so it's just been great to see you standing firm.

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00:03:47.080 All right, Jesse, I have said from the very beginning that whether you support Trump or

00:03:50.960 not, the one thing that you should realize about him, the thing that is most valuable

00:03:54.780 about him is his ability to break the system.

00:03:57.940 And by that, I don't mean stretch it to its limits or push it beyond what it's supposed

00:04:01.320 to, but simply by presenting himself as someone who's not going to conform to what has happened

00:04:06.340 previously, we see over and over again, the most corrupt elements of our society out themselves.

00:04:11.460 We've watched everyone discredit themselves during his first presidency in the media and

00:04:16.480 in the executive branch, the unelected bureaucracy.

00:04:19.400 This time around, judges seem to be the focus.

00:04:21.660 They seem to be willing to throw their entire reputation and the entire reputation of the bench

00:04:26.440 in the trash just so they can score some political points against Trump this round.

00:04:31.320 Yeah, I think you nail this one all the time, Oren, as you do so many things.

00:04:37.260 I've been talking about this a lot recently about how we can all, even those of us who

00:04:42.640 are hyper-informed, right?

00:04:43.800 Everyone who consumes your show, that's going to be the hyper-informed 1% of the society.

00:04:48.280 We can all, myself included, be fooled by the masks and uniforms people wear.

00:04:53.480 And when it comes to judges, this can happen to us a lot.

00:04:58.040 The communist does not have anything that supersedes his communism.

00:05:03.900 And it doesn't matter how important the role is.

00:05:06.800 It doesn't matter what uniform he puts on.

00:05:09.540 It doesn't matter if he's in charge of the Cub Scouts, if he's a judge, if he's a movie

00:05:13.840 producer.

00:05:14.600 It doesn't matter what he's doing.

00:05:17.140 Communism will always come first and everything else is secondary.

00:05:20.700 And we think, normal people, right, normal people think that if the job is important

00:05:27.400 enough, that that's no longer the case, right?

00:05:29.940 So surely, I mean, okay, so a judge, he's on the left and we got all that.

00:05:33.980 But surely once he works really hard at law school and all those years and finally gets

00:05:38.480 the black robe on, okay, these are important cases.

00:05:41.520 And I got that he's a Democrat.

00:05:42.780 But he'll set that aside when the time comes because the role is so important.

00:05:47.820 And that is completely wrong.

00:05:50.340 It never, ever, ever gets set aside.

00:05:52.860 So you have people waking up this morning and they're finding out, wait a minute, a judge

00:05:57.020 in New Mexico actually had a member of a Venezuelan prison gang living with him and his wife in

00:06:03.580 the same house.

00:06:04.700 Another judge, allegedly, snuck one out the back of her private quarters so he could avoid

00:06:11.740 ice arrest and people were just floored by this, like blown away by it.

00:06:16.340 It's very understandable when you understand the judge doesn't look at herself or himself

00:06:21.700 as a judge.

00:06:23.240 They're a communist who does some judge things from time to time.

00:06:27.080 That's how these people think.

00:06:28.360 And they're throughout the government.

00:06:29.680 This is State Department, military, generals, officers feel this exact same way.

00:06:34.620 We're shocked by this level of resistance we see from this person or this person.

00:06:38.840 They don't see themselves like you see them.

00:06:41.840 You see the general with the ribbons and the minerals and the, well, surely America comes 0.60

00:06:46.020 first, right?

00:06:46.540 He's got to be a patriot.

00:06:48.040 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:06:49.060 His wife doesn't come first. 0.97

00:06:51.180 Communism comes first.

00:06:52.560 Everything else is ancillary.

00:06:54.680 Yeah, I think that's really critical.

00:06:57.480 Conservatives have this instinct of wanting to preserve institutions, right?

00:07:01.760 We're the law and order guys.

00:07:03.360 We hold these things together.

00:07:04.620 Ultimately, we understand that perpetuating these institutions is critical.

00:07:10.020 And so we have a hard time looking at something like that and saying that might need to be

00:07:14.540 dismantled.

00:07:15.320 That might be irreparable.

00:07:17.160 That might be something that we have to push aside or we have to correct.

00:07:21.260 That's just very difficult for us, especially because, again, as conservatives, we look at

00:07:24.920 constitutional government.

00:07:26.080 We think about checks and balances.

00:07:27.360 And it's so important to make sure that the president and Congress and the judiciary, they're

00:07:31.600 all in this balance.

00:07:33.220 And we've been taught that if someone, especially a singular person, an executive, is taking

00:07:37.680 action, well, the whole point of the government is to kind of slow them down, right?

00:07:41.300 Like that's what they're there to do, to check that tyranny.

00:07:44.320 And so maybe the judges are just doing their job.

00:07:46.500 Maybe the bureaucrats are just doing their job. 0.67

00:07:48.740 But then you start to look at the actual cases, right?

00:07:51.060 We have judges that think that they are the ones who decide whether or not someone can

00:07:55.500 serve in the military.

00:07:56.780 Judges decide whether or not troop movements can be dictated.

00:07:59.300 Judges decide whether or not people can be lawfully deported.

00:08:02.760 This is not what judges are for.

00:08:05.460 They're not there to dictate every action the executive branch takes.

00:08:10.000 And so it becomes very clear that these judges are going well beyond their constitutional roles.

00:08:15.060 And yet over and over again, I see mainstream conservative publications standing up and saying,

00:08:20.240 well, we got to be careful.

00:08:21.720 We can't push things too far.

00:08:22.860 We're heading towards the constitutional crisis.

00:08:25.020 Personally, I think the constitutional crisis was about 30 million illegal immigrants. 0.68

00:08:29.300 Yet here we are, pretending it never happened.

00:08:32.780 Yeah.

00:08:32.980 Well, we're so far past the constitutional crisis.

00:08:36.360 Constitutional crisis.

00:08:37.280 I mean, like you and I could sit and talk about a million examples.

00:08:41.040 Let's just focus on one thing here.

00:08:43.020 Because really, when you really take it in, how insane this was.

00:08:46.660 Roe versus Wade gets overturned.

00:08:48.100 Don't worry.

00:08:48.420 This is not about abortion.

00:08:49.440 But Roe versus Wade gets overturned.

00:08:50.880 The left gets really upset about it.

00:08:52.280 In response to a Supreme Court decision they didn't like, the people inside of the Department

00:08:58.840 of Justice and FBI, when digging through America's law book, found an old obscure law that wasn't

00:09:06.200 used by anybody, dug up an old law to justify sending SWAT teams to arrest pro-lifers and send

00:09:13.740 them in federal prison.

00:09:14.620 This was done as a collective teenage hissy fit by the United States Department of Justice

00:09:20.660 in response to a Supreme Court decision they did not like.

00:09:24.200 We passed constitutional crisis so long ago, you can't even see it in the rearview mirror

00:09:29.380 anymore.

00:09:30.100 That ship has completely sailed.

00:09:32.360 What we don't, what the loser types, like the National Review types, Cato Institute and 0.89

00:09:37.300 those other effeminate dorks, what they fail to understand, or maybe they do understand even 0.94

00:09:41.840 worse and they're just subversives working for the other side, what they fail to understand and 0.98

00:09:46.080 accept is that we are up against an ongoing, the largest ongoing criminal organization on the

00:09:51.600 planet, that would be the United States government, since it's occupied by criminals now. 0.71

00:09:56.280 You cannot get out of this.

00:09:58.340 You can't take down a criminal organization by pretending as if it's not a criminal organization.

00:10:04.400 You can't go after the Gambino crime family in New York and just kind of get around that by 0.99

00:10:10.220 asserting that what they're doing is all lawful.

00:10:12.360 That doesn't, that doesn't work.

00:10:13.680 And the Gambino family doesn't suddenly become lawful just because they happen to bribe a 1.00

00:10:18.520 local judge who says what they did was lawful.

00:10:20.940 That's not how that works at all.

00:10:22.460 A crime is a crime is a crime.

00:10:24.040 It doesn't matter how many judges or laws or rules or whatever you put on it.

00:10:27.940 If you use the United States government to facilitate the invasion of the United States of America 0.56

00:10:33.420 by 20 to 30 million foreign barbarians, many of them rapists and murderers, who move on 0.93

00:10:38.960 to pillage the United States of America. 0.70

00:10:40.900 I don't care about your judge's robes or your law.

00:10:44.100 I don't care if you try to use the constitution to justify it. 0.99

00:10:47.080 You're evil. 0.99

00:10:48.160 You're my enemy and you're a criminal and you have to be defeated by any means necessary. 1.00

00:10:52.520 I couldn't agree more.

00:10:53.860 But the problem as always is the narrative framing, right?

00:10:56.620 And this is something that we hate to have to address, but you have to address because

00:11:00.580 ultimately it is a big part of the battle.

00:11:02.380 You have the scenario where what we have is functionally an out of control oligarchy that

00:11:07.580 has just risen up and decided that the American people don't matter.

00:11:10.860 The constitution doesn't matter.

00:11:12.500 It's a collection of experts.

00:11:13.680 It's a collection of bureaucrats.

00:11:14.800 It's a collection of politicians that ultimately believe that, as you say, they can manipulate

00:11:19.260 the procedure however they like, as long as they get the correct outcome.

00:11:23.520 But everything that we have been told about our country and our history is we are against

00:11:28.720 tyranny.

00:11:29.480 We are against a king.

00:11:30.840 We're against this idea of a singular leader.

00:11:33.700 The myth of our entire century, the last century, is like, never again we can ever have a dictator

00:11:40.060 or anything like that.

00:11:41.020 And this is, of course, the narrative they impose on Trump.

00:11:43.600 Trump isn't anything close to a dictator, but the left has been framing him as such.

00:11:47.780 And unfortunately, even many on the right will play into this.

00:11:50.840 When you have this moment where the judges, the bureaucracy, all these things that normally

00:11:56.140 should be working on behalf of the American people are instead working, as you point out,

00:12:00.840 basically as a fifth column inside the United States against its own interests, the only

00:12:06.000 real solution is that executive taking vigorous action against those institutions.

00:12:11.060 And while I think that is perfectly in line with what the founders expected and what the

00:12:15.580 Constitution dictates, ultimately, it does look like a singular person taking action against

00:12:21.620 those that are restraining him in some way, even though what they're doing is completely

00:12:26.220 an agenda and in no way aligns with the Constitution or the good of the American people.

00:12:31.000 How in that moment do you push back against that idea that Trump is becoming a dictator if

00:12:36.160 he decides to take the kind of actions that are necessary to curb rogue judges like arresting

00:12:41.080 one who's trying to smuggle illegal aliens out the back door?

00:12:43.560 Yeah, we have to continue to expose, well, exactly, really just put it exactly like you just put it.

00:12:49.080 We have to expose what they're actually doing, not what they're actually saying,

00:12:53.400 because the communist or authoritarian, whatever word you want to put on it,

00:12:56.780 they love to use your values against you.

00:12:59.280 They're masterful at it because they don't share them.

00:13:01.700 They can bounce and move back and forth for whatever values are appealing to you.

00:13:05.580 Oh, you don't want an MS-13 gang member in your home?

00:13:08.880 Wouldn't Jesus want that?

00:13:10.040 I thought you loved Jesus.

00:13:11.080 Jesus wanted that.

00:13:12.420 Oh, you're upset that the president of the United States of America is talking about

00:13:16.700 ignoring the courts?

00:13:18.120 What would Thomas Jefferson want?

00:13:19.940 We are a constitutional, this is a constitutional crisis. 0.98

00:13:23.280 Now, these people don't give a crap about Thomas Jefferson. 0.96

00:13:25.740 In fact, from my understanding, they completely tore apart his historical home 0.97

00:13:29.520 and made it all about slavery, right?

00:13:31.460 They hate Thomas Jefferson.

00:13:32.660 They hate the Constitution.

00:13:33.980 They hate the Bill of Rights, but they know you do, right?

00:13:36.760 So they understand that they can't sell what they want to do to you

00:13:40.780 because it's not sellable.

00:13:42.100 It's horrific, it's authoritarian, and it'll destroy your life.

00:13:45.700 So you have to try to bounce around and find the words and massage the right words like,

00:13:50.960 well, he's the authoritarian and we're fighting for democracy.

00:13:53.840 That's why they love that word so much.

00:13:55.900 They do this really, really well.

00:13:57.940 I'm glad you brought up the narrative because the right is terrible about this.

00:14:00.900 And I understand why we are.

00:14:02.360 We're terrible about our language, about being purposeful with our language,

00:14:06.900 as people who try to tell the truth usually are.

00:14:10.160 When you have somebody who just kind of speaks, the words just come out.

00:14:13.320 There's no script.

00:14:14.140 You're not reading anything.

00:14:15.620 They're speaking from the heart, right?

00:14:17.540 And therefore, when you speak from the heart, every word isn't going to be perfect, 1.00

00:14:21.260 especially if you're dumb and uneducated like me. 0.98

00:14:23.400 But if you ever notice, these people will not only choose the exact same language, 0.99

00:14:28.860 they will strictly enforce the language they are told to use.

00:14:32.940 That's because it's all based on deception.

00:14:35.120 It's all trying to lie and deceive people about what they actually want.

00:14:39.700 Remember, you probably remember when Joe Biden gave his State of the Union,

00:14:43.040 and I think it was Marjorie Taylor Greene, somebody was screaming at him.

00:14:46.360 And Joe Biden, because he has no brain anymore, used the term illegal alien,

00:14:50.860 which of course they are.

00:14:51.900 That was an internal scandal on the left to the point that the sitting president

00:14:57.380 of the United States of America had to go on a mini media tour

00:15:01.560 to apologize for using the term illegal immigrant.

00:15:05.900 That is how strict the communists are with their language,

00:15:09.780 because when you're constantly building this world of make-believe,

00:15:13.420 just even the tiniest grain of truth can bring the entire house crumbling down.

00:15:17.640 They're very purposeful about the words they use.

00:15:21.900 And we are not.

00:15:22.740 We just kind of speak and let the chips fall where they may.

00:15:25.540 But all this, everything we're talking about comes down to so many on the right

00:15:29.940 don't accept what we're up against truly.

00:15:33.940 I mean, we are on a ship with people who are trying to put holes in it and sink it.

00:15:38.660 And when you accept that basic thing, then how you deal with that is totally different than,

00:15:44.560 well, we just have a different idea of how to sail the ship.

00:15:46.940 We don't have a different idea of how to sail the ship.

00:15:49.300 We don't all want the same things.

00:15:51.100 I want my kids, their kids, and their kids after them to enjoy the exact same country

00:15:55.260 that I have enjoyed.

00:15:56.440 They want to put that country to the torch.

00:15:58.780 We don't want the same things at all.

00:16:00.700 Well, and you like to say that the clock is ticking.

00:16:03.080 Like this is extremely important.

00:16:05.080 I think there are a lot of things that the Trump administration aims to do that I support

00:16:10.580 and I'm excited about.

00:16:12.000 But specifically, the deportation stuff is critical.

00:16:16.560 Critical.

00:16:16.980 We just had a judge say that Donald Trump can't demand that states require validation of citizenship.

00:16:25.520 You can't make sure that the people voting in your democratic elections are supposed to

00:16:30.480 be here, that they have followed any kind of process, that they are supposed to have any

00:16:33.920 kind of say in what the country is and is supposed to be.

00:16:36.840 And when you are basing the entire validity of your government on popular sovereignty, on

00:16:41.460 the idea that people vote and they give their assent to the governed or to those that govern,

00:16:47.920 if that is the premise, and then you allow a large amount of people who have been snuck

00:16:52.100 into the country completely illegally and have absolutely no way to verify whether or not

00:16:57.080 they should be voting or not, and they get to decide who the next leader is, how do you

00:17:01.480 pretend you have a country anymore?

00:17:02.980 When we have judges who are literally pushing for illegitimate elections in the name of democracy,

00:17:08.920 what are you supposed to do at that point?

00:17:11.960 Well, this is something people don't understand about immigrants, about the mass importation

00:17:18.280 of foreigners. 0.51

00:17:19.040 By the way, legal and otherwise, I need to point out, immigration, mass immigration doesn't

00:17:23.980 magically become wonderful just because some law or congressman or something decides that

00:17:28.440 it's legal.

00:17:28.980 That's not how that works at all.

00:17:30.400 But we'll set that aside for the time being.

00:17:32.880 People really don't get how much mass importation is probably the central pillar of the global

00:17:41.060 authoritarians, the globalists, whatever word you want to put on these people.

00:17:44.920 It's everything to them.

00:17:45.760 I see people all the time, and I probably have said something like this similar, wow, this

00:17:49.180 pro-immigration stuff's really hurting Democrats.

00:17:51.840 The public really is, they're supportive of Trump, but it's really hurting Democrats in

00:17:55.880 the polls.

00:17:56.680 They're not worried about politically.

00:17:58.860 They're worried about power.

00:18:00.780 And the mass importation of disloyal foreigners who can be bought with a $500 visa card is so 0.99

00:18:07.480 central to globalism, they're happy to lose an election or drop in the public opinion of

00:18:13.020 polls because in the end they win.

00:18:15.120 You brought up how important deportation is.

00:18:17.480 It's important for a variety of reasons, both for crime, education, housing prices,

00:18:22.560 everything else.

00:18:23.040 All these things are true.

00:18:24.360 But maybe the most important part about deporting everyone they brought in is if we do not, 0.99

00:18:29.440 they will bring in twice as many people the next time because then it just becomes the

00:18:33.040 ultimate ratchet that only yanks our society to the left and to the left and to the left

00:18:37.460 until in the end it doesn't matter what kind of a populist revolution you have.

00:18:41.500 There'll never be another Donald Trump because you've brought in every single barbarian from 1.00

00:18:45.720 every corner of the planet and they're going to vote Democrats for the rest of their natural

00:18:49.600 lives and then they'll vote Democrats again after they die as the old joke.

00:18:52.900 It's a cliche at this point in time, but it's true. 0.98

00:18:55.100 If you can manage to bring in 20 million and then Trump can only deport three or four because

00:19:00.320 you managed with enough judges, enough injunctions to slow the thing down, did you lose in

00:19:05.080 the end?

00:19:05.680 Sure, you coughed up four years of power and Trump adjusted some things here and there,

00:19:09.600 but in the end you're looking pretty good.

00:19:11.600 Yeah, there is no political consequence if you're replacing the people who are feeling

00:19:16.940 the consequences of your policies.

00:19:18.980 Oh no, the, the, you know, eventually the pendulum will swing back.

00:19:22.740 There'll be a crack back.

00:19:23.780 There'll be some kind of reaction.

00:19:25.280 They'll pay some kind of price.

00:19:26.440 Are you sure?

00:19:27.500 Because they are displacing you.

00:19:29.380 They are making your voice meaningless.

00:19:31.660 They are making your vote meaningless.

00:19:33.780 So yes, in theory, you still have a feedback mechanism.

00:19:37.080 Somewhere Saddam Hussein won some elections.

00:19:39.240 That doesn't mean that they had any kind of actual legitimacy or relevance.

00:19:44.020 And that's the game that's being played.

00:19:45.680 People who are sitting there waiting for the consequences for the other shoe to drop aren't

00:19:49.940 factoring in that the people that are being brought in are being brought in specifically

00:19:53.980 to ensure that no consequences ever come.

00:19:57.060 I want to talk to you about that Supreme Court ruling and the response from Samuel Alito.

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00:20:30.560 most recently, Fox News business reporter Charlie Gasparono wrote a whole chapter in his book,

00:20:36.100 Go Woke, Go Broke, on how effective they've been at dismantling BlackRock's ESG patronage

00:20:42.300 scheme.

00:20:43.240 He's making Larry Fink lose the last bit of hair on his balding head, and you should follow

00:20:48.280 Will's work on X so you can laugh along with him.

00:20:51.120 His handle is at Will Hild, at Will, W-I-L-L-H-I-L-D, on X.

00:20:57.820 So the Supreme Court watches just all the insanity of 2020, right?

00:21:04.740 Like, we got pandemics, we got every right you can imagine in the Bill of Rights trampled

00:21:10.600 continuously.

00:21:12.160 We had January 6th protesters who had insane statutes placed on them, attempting to charge

00:21:19.020 in things that just don't apply to them.

00:21:21.260 Judges couldn't get around to it for years.

00:21:23.160 You know, they finally maybe take a look.

00:21:25.280 We have an immigration system that is specifically designed by the left to funnel as many new 0.98

00:21:31.280 voters in to make all of these elections illegitimate.

00:21:34.680 And yet the Supreme Court takes basically no action on any of those issues.

00:21:38.840 And yet Donald Trump uses a well-established statute to remove literal gang members who

00:21:46.620 aren't supposed to be here anyway from the country.

00:21:49.240 And in the middle of the night, the Supreme Court issues an order to stop these deportations.

00:21:55.580 Samuel Alito was so disgusted that he and Clarence Thomas were the only people pushing

00:22:00.740 back that he wrote a scathing dissent saying, basically, this is insane.

00:22:05.740 We cut out all the due process in our attempt to issue an order about due process.

00:22:11.940 There was that nobody was allowed to present their case from the Trump administration.

00:22:14.820 They weren't allowed to let the lower courts get any relief. 0.97

00:22:17.620 He said, basically, we just cut out the entire due process of this whole thing while trying

00:22:23.700 to say that the Trump administration is not honoring due process.

00:22:27.000 When you have Republicans who appoint judges, you're supposed to have a conservative Supreme

00:22:32.340 Court at this point.

00:22:33.160 And they do an emergency midnight order to block a constitutional deportation.

00:22:38.680 How do you proceed as a conservative movement when you know that you only have two of a two

00:22:46.120 justices on a court that's supposed to be like a six, four conservative that will actually

00:22:49.780 defend the Constitution?

00:22:51.260 That becomes a very difficult moment in which you have to take action.

00:22:54.820 How is the Trump administration going to respond to the Supreme Court that that's hostile?

00:22:59.060 Well, I don't know how they will, but I know how they should.

00:23:01.900 They should ignore the court.

00:23:03.280 The Supreme Court has to be ignored.

00:23:04.560 It's not like it hasn't happened before, but let's set that aside, actually, because I

00:23:08.980 don't want to use that as some sort of a fig leaf for what I'm saying.

00:23:12.240 I don't care if it had never happened before in the history of this country.

00:23:15.660 You cannot you can't just acknowledge that ruling by the United States Supreme Court.

00:23:20.640 This is this is a go left or right or it's not even really about America.

00:23:24.500 If a country is not allowed to deport the barbarians, one party brought in as fast as the party brought 1.00

00:23:31.960 them in for whatever reason, whether it's Supreme Court, the Constitution or the law.

00:23:35.440 But for whatever reason, if you're not allowed to deport them, then you don't have a country

00:23:39.140 anymore.

00:23:39.900 We're not playing a game with the courts and the Constitution and the lower courts and

00:23:44.100 things like that.

00:23:44.700 We're playing a game for the survival of the United States of America.

00:23:48.580 The Supreme Court should be ignored.

00:23:50.420 These people should be loaded up on planes as fast as humanly possible.

00:23:54.080 And that's before the raids happen that actually snatch up every single bandwoman and child who's

00:23:58.780 in this country illegally and ship them all back home to and anybody, including judges 0.99

00:24:04.240 on the Supreme Court who steps in to try to stop it, should be arrested and thrown in prison

00:24:08.280 as well.

00:24:09.040 This is not an extreme thing to say.

00:24:11.320 I know people are cringing right now, maybe thinking it is.

00:24:13.920 I cannot stress this point enough that I am the moderate solution, that if the United States

00:24:19.660 of America, if the people of the United States of America, if their will is not permitted

00:24:24.060 to be implemented by whoever, by the Supreme Court, whoever, if they are not allowed to

00:24:28.740 implement their will by electing a new president, a new Congress, a new Senate, then they will

00:24:33.720 eventually turn to other means.

00:24:35.360 The moderate solution is ignoring the Supreme Court, arrest anybody, judges included, who

00:24:40.300 try to stop you, gather up the people who are in this country who should not be here and 1.00

00:24:44.980 send them all back home.

00:24:46.200 Period.

00:24:46.780 End of story.

00:24:47.560 There's not a second way to deal with it.

00:24:48.960 If you try to nip and tuck this thing, well, we're going to do, we've just filed a motion

00:24:54.180 to give us another cup of, then by the, well, I mean, look, Arnd, it's what, it's, what is

00:24:58.760 it?

00:24:59.060 April 25th.

00:25:00.480 We're a year and a half away from Donald Trump being impeached.

00:25:03.120 Democrats are going to take back the House in the midterms.

00:25:05.200 That's how it goes.

00:25:05.880 They're going to impeach Donald Trump immediately.

00:25:07.940 Immediately.

00:25:08.540 They're going to, it's going to happen in the first 15 minutes of the Democrats taking back

00:25:11.700 the House of Representatives.

00:25:13.080 They'll get every single Democrat vote and probably four or five Republican votes somewhere along

00:25:17.100 the way.

00:25:17.480 You don't have four years.

00:25:19.060 You don't have a lot of time.

00:25:20.520 You don't have another couple months.

00:25:22.220 Either do what you have to do now, or we can't fix it without something really bad happening.

00:25:27.580 I think that's incredibly important.

00:25:29.660 Like people just do not know what time it is.

00:25:31.460 You are exactly right.

00:25:32.600 Like you and me, we might sound like we're saying some crazy stuff.

00:25:36.700 We're my, we, oh, they're trying to be edgy.

00:25:38.520 No, I promise you.

00:25:39.560 I promise you.

00:25:40.640 We are not trying to be edgy.

00:25:42.420 We are trying to let you know, this is the off ramp.

00:25:45.680 There's one left.

00:25:46.640 You're approaching it.

00:25:48.180 After this, there are no more off ramps.

00:25:50.720 This is the moderate solution.

00:25:52.720 You create a situation where people cannot live in their country.

00:25:57.360 They cannot earn a living.

00:25:58.940 They cannot be safe.

00:26:00.300 They know that the law does not protect them.

00:26:02.380 They know that their elites are simply taking advantage of them at every single step and that

00:26:06.420 their voice does not matter in the slightest.

00:26:08.000 And they have to do all this while hearing about the sacredness of democracy and the power

00:26:13.100 of the people.

00:26:14.820 Eventually, you're going to get Franco and that'll be the better option.

00:26:18.060 Like that, that is the destination.

00:26:20.100 If you want to get off before you get there, this is a point.

00:26:24.960 And that's why I want to ask you about this, this last situation, because I know you've

00:26:28.720 got some limited time with us today.

00:26:31.180 You know, the, the arrest that just occurred again, I'm sure that this is going to be Trump

00:26:35.960 is totalitarian. 0.99

00:26:36.920 Trump is a Nazi, blah, blah, blah. 0.99

00:26:38.560 You and I, and I, I've been on your program talking about this. 0.99

00:26:41.280 We both said that the FBI needs to be deconstructed, that it was too corrupt and that it's the,

00:26:48.240 it's basically the secret police of the democratic party.

00:26:50.940 And you just can't fix a institution like that.

00:26:53.760 I still think there's a strong argument to be made for that, but to his credit, cash

00:26:57.900 Patel just use the FBI to arrest a judge.

00:27:01.980 I think that says something about the ability of him to perhaps turn that organization around.

00:27:07.380 What do you think about that step by the Trump administration?

00:27:09.840 What do you think about the reaction?

00:27:10.980 And what do you think about the future of the FBI, if they are able to be used in this

00:27:15.020 manner?

00:27:15.820 Well, a few different things.

00:27:17.120 One, I think it's huge and credit where credit's due.

00:27:19.660 He did send the FBI after judges who committed criminal acts and he did arrest them.

00:27:24.740 And, and I know cash Patel's trying, I don't know him personally.

00:27:28.300 I do know Dan Bongino personally.

00:27:29.680 And I do, I know for a fact he is trying to reform the FBI.

00:27:33.960 I think it's a wonderful thing.

00:27:35.320 These judges were arrested, not just for the fact that judges were arrested.

00:27:39.160 It does send a message to all the other elected communist lawbreakers around the country that

00:27:45.000 you will be subject to arrest.

00:27:46.420 They've never experienced that before forever.

00:27:48.540 If you're an elected communist, you just get to break whatever law you want.

00:27:51.460 You never face any problems unless you're Bob Menendez with a suitcase full of gold bars.

00:27:55.540 That's pretty much what you have to do to get arrested in this country.

00:27:57.980 But now it puts the rest of them on notice that, yes, they can have, this can happen to you.

00:28:03.100 So calm your little revolution down.

00:28:05.020 All that said, the FBI cannot be saved.

00:28:07.200 Even cash, even Dan, they cannot save it.

00:28:10.380 You cannot save a 35,000 person secret police agency that's done the things they've done.

00:28:15.900 The Hunter Biden laptop story alone should have ended the organization.

00:28:19.760 The next day there should have been an emergency GOP session of Congress with every penny of the FBI being defunded.

00:28:25.940 As soon as it was discovered, they took in Hunter Biden's laptop, knew it was real.

00:28:30.400 And upon wiretapping somebody and finding out an article was going to be published in the Post,

00:28:35.780 they approached social media and told them to censor the story that immediately, overnight, that's the entire organization.

00:28:43.700 Not a couple guys resigning, not even a couple arrests.

00:28:47.080 The entire organization, every single person fired, demo the building when they're gone,

00:28:51.860 and don't ever construct a new one again.

00:28:53.440 It cannot be saved and should not be saved.

00:28:56.200 Again, unfortunately, I think I have to agree.

00:28:59.340 All right, guys.

00:29:00.380 Well, like I said, Jesse's got some limited time, so I will answer the questions of the audience.

00:29:04.540 I'll stick around for that.

00:29:05.960 But Jesse, if people want to find you, I know you've got the book, the TV show, you got the radio show.

00:29:12.240 Anything exciting coming up you want to let people know about?

00:29:15.740 TV and radio, my brother.

00:29:16.820 You can find the Jesse Kelly radio show.

00:29:18.500 We're leaving cities across the country or just podcasts, the whole thing, when you're not jamming out on ARN.

00:29:23.600 Excellent.

00:29:23.980 All right, man.

00:29:24.500 I really appreciate you coming on.

00:29:25.940 Appreciate you, boss.

00:29:27.200 All right.

00:29:28.320 All right, guys.

00:29:29.080 Let's take a look at the questions of the people over here. 0.96

00:29:33.280 Tiny Stupid Demon says, 1.00

00:29:34.860 As much as I still wish someone would turn that Jesse Kelly or McIntyre midwit meme from Twitter into an animated web series, 0.61

00:29:42.240 I'll accept this as a consolidation prize.

00:29:45.500 Yeah, no, I always love talking to Jesse.

00:29:47.580 We are definitely on the same wavelength in a weird way.

00:29:51.880 And so it is always a fantastic conversation when he is on.

00:29:56.060 All right, let's go to Creeper Weirdo here.

00:29:58.980 He says, Our democracy means our power.

00:30:02.020 Simple as.

00:30:03.060 Yeah, it really has become very obvious at this point.

00:30:06.140 It's almost a cliche.

00:30:06.940 Jay, how many times can the left go out there and say people are a danger to democracy?

00:30:12.620 Voting is a danger to a democracy before people kind of pick up on what you're actually saying.

00:30:17.540 The democracy is our oligarchy.

00:30:19.640 That's what it really means.

00:30:20.880 Their hegemony, their power.

00:30:23.140 That is what they're really worried about when they say that our democracy is in danger,

00:30:26.840 which is why they are willing to literally make elections illegitimate.

00:30:31.780 Say, oh, no, we think ultimately that you shouldn't be able to check whether someone is here legally or not before they vote.

00:30:37.840 That's how much we value democracy.

00:30:40.000 Like, once you get there, it's pretty obvious what's going on.

00:30:44.480 Alexander says, No more half measures, Walter.

00:30:47.520 Yeah, obviously the time for the half measures is done.

00:30:51.760 We simply cannot survive as a country.

00:30:54.220 I just did that essay that I put out as a show yesterday about the critical nature of deportations.

00:31:00.480 If we don't get deportations, the country is just over.

00:31:03.840 I'm sorry.

00:31:04.520 Like, I don't mean to be a doomer, but that is the level of urgency we need to have for deportations.

00:31:10.060 They must happen.

00:31:11.820 They must happen.

00:31:12.820 And because they must happen, they will happen.

00:31:15.440 And the only question is, how many institutions inside the United States will discredit themselves trying to stand between deportations and their necessity?

00:31:26.060 It's already been the media.

00:31:27.660 It's already been the federal bureaucracy.

00:31:29.740 It looks like judiciary is willing to sacrifice itself as well.

00:31:32.640 These things must happen.

00:31:35.280 You cannot have a country, especially a country that tells itself, it selects its leaders through a democratic process in which you import tens of millions of people and then use their will to validate your political leadership.

00:31:49.620 That simply cannot exist.

00:31:51.880 Forget the destruction of the culture.

00:31:53.780 Forget the ethnic cleansing these people are doing half the time, just the actual political ramifications, just the basic political narrative of what America is.

00:32:04.560 America is a place where the people have a voice.

00:32:06.540 Well, if the ruling class can just swap out the people and use those voices instead of your voice, then you having a voice doesn't matter.

00:32:15.600 Everyone is coming to recognize this.

00:32:17.240 Even leftists are saying that mass immigration is too much.

00:32:20.640 It has to stop at this point.

00:32:22.860 There are still going to be these holdouts.

00:32:24.500 Obviously, there are still plenty of progressives who believe in this religion.

00:32:27.660 Obviously, we still see that there are people inside of the judiciary who are willing to sacrifice, theoretically, themselves on this altar.

00:32:35.320 And the thing is, as Jesse pointed out, they don't think it's going to be a sacrifice, right?

00:32:39.440 Like, none of these people ever think there's going to be consequences.

00:32:42.400 That's why leftists burn stuff down all the time.

00:32:44.780 That's why they get violent.

00:32:46.280 That's why they riot.

00:32:47.600 That's why they violate the rules when they are in bureaucracies.

00:32:51.460 That's why they deny the law even when they're judges because, ultimately, they cannot imagine a world where they lose, where they pay a price.

00:33:01.140 They think that the progressive narrative of history, the Whig version of history, is they win every time, all the time. 0.99

00:33:09.600 They cannot imagine a future in which they don't take some political action and then eventually the consequences are waved away because their guys are in power.

00:33:17.980 That's why it's critical that these people actually feel paid.

00:33:21.460 It's not that I want to inflict pain.

00:33:23.440 It's not that I have some fun time doing this.

00:33:25.860 But you have to understand the very basics of human interaction, the very basics of game theory.

00:33:32.200 There has to be a tit or tat.

00:33:34.200 There has to be some kind of penalty when they do not reciprocate cooperation.

00:33:42.320 That has to happen.

00:33:43.800 This is the most basic thing everyone knows in human life.

00:33:46.860 If you let someone continually get away with things without any kind of consequence, they will continue to do them.

00:33:53.980 And that is just going to be the case.

00:33:55.780 If the judges do not pay a cost, if the left does not pay a cost, they will continue to behave exactly in the way they have up until now.

00:34:02.840 Thuggo says, is the Trump administration making a big show of deporting a few people to prison but eschewing mass deportation?

00:34:11.160 Again, so this is complicated.

00:34:14.600 In some ways, yes.

00:34:18.420 However, you have to understand that there is a sequence of events that you need to pull off correctly to mass deport people.

00:34:27.280 If you just go out and start rounding up millions of millions, and let's be honest, it's got to be tens of millions of people at this point.

00:34:33.340 If you start rounding up all of those people and you don't have a plan to deport them, you do not have a clear path to get them out of the country right away, you don't have the logistics spooled up, you don't have the countries to take them to, you don't have the judiciary lined up to allow that to happen.

00:34:49.120 Then what happens is all of these people, tens of millions of people, sit in detention facilities.

00:34:54.860 And guess what happens?

00:34:56.900 Somebody gets sick.

00:34:58.100 Somebody dies.

00:34:59.400 Somebody gets assaulted because it's a bunch of criminals sitting around, a bunch of gang members in many cases.

00:35:05.480 And that gets on the news.

00:35:07.500 That gets out.

00:35:08.220 It becomes an international incident.

00:35:09.460 And all of a sudden, no one wants to take back any of their illegal aliens. 0.65

00:35:14.760 The media turns on you.

00:35:16.640 Everybody, it just, it becomes a mess.

00:35:19.080 You need to make sure you have the order of operations correct.

00:35:21.980 You need to make sure that you have the logistics available to get people deported quickly once you have them in custody.

00:35:28.100 That means having the transportation, yes, but that also means having the countries to take them to.

00:35:32.180 That means having the legal apparatus cleared.

00:35:35.080 Now, it might be that you just need to avoid or to ignore the Supreme Court.

00:35:39.920 That's what Jesse Kelly said right here.

00:35:41.740 I don't think he's wrong.

00:35:43.040 That said, you need to make sure you have exhausted that and that is the plan.

00:35:46.700 You need to know where you're going when you do this.

00:35:49.380 Because I hope that ultimately the Trump administration is actually planning mass deportations.

00:35:55.740 They seem to be taking actions and picking fights that allow them to do this.

00:36:00.180 Is it as fast as I want?

00:36:01.580 No, absolutely not.

00:36:02.760 Am I going to keep pushing for it?

00:36:04.180 You bet.

00:36:05.100 But am I going to completely rail on the Trump administration and say, oh, well, they have no plans to do this?

00:36:09.780 No, I'm not because I just don't think that's true.

00:36:12.120 I think they're trying to do their best to change a system radically, to challenge it in a way it has not been challenged in any of our lifetimes and really in like 100 years.

00:36:22.800 And so that's going to take something.

00:36:25.260 And that doesn't mean they get a free pass, but that also means they're going to get my support until I think they genuinely are not trying to do that anymore.

00:36:32.260 Freelancer you, freelancer you, says, let's be real, though. 0.98

00:36:39.340 Does Trump have the balls to ignore the courts? 0.99

00:36:41.400 He appointed female judges to cry out loud. 0.99

00:36:43.820 Furthermore, I still believe the system.

00:36:46.080 He still believes in the system.

00:36:48.180 He still believes in the system.

00:36:49.960 He's been appointed to destroy clearly.

00:36:52.780 Yeah.

00:36:53.320 So I don't think that Trump is going to get in there and blow up the entire system.

00:36:57.940 I never did.

00:36:58.780 But that said, do I think he has the will to ignore the courts?

00:37:04.980 I think it's possible.

00:37:07.020 But we have to remember, again, the moment, great, great moments always are a mixture of leaders and the moment itself.

00:37:15.980 Right.

00:37:16.400 The people will talk about the great men of history versus the trends and forces history, like the Thomas Carlisle's great man of history versus this idea that, like, it's just the trends and forces and the situation.

00:37:29.120 That actually produce these great changes in society.

00:37:33.000 And I think the answer is both.

00:37:34.560 It's when the man meets the moment.

00:37:36.520 You might have the moment come, but if there's not a man to take the action, then it passes you by.

00:37:41.880 You might have the great man, but if you don't have the moment that produces the opportunity, perhaps the great man will not be able to forge forward.

00:37:50.000 I do not know if Trump is a great man.

00:37:52.060 It is perhaps unlikely that he is a great man of history.

00:37:55.520 But I do know that this is the moment where we need one.

00:37:59.140 And if Trump can be that man, he should.

00:38:02.640 That doesn't mean, again, that I completely give him a free pass.

00:38:05.920 But I also know that in this moment, he is trying to forge ahead and do something that simply has not been done.

00:38:11.580 And to be fair, no Republican politician has come anywhere close to having the will to do.

00:38:16.460 It may turn out that Trump does not have the will as well.

00:38:19.540 However, he has done better than anyone else in his position for my lifetime.

00:38:25.780 So I'm, again, not going to be blind.

00:38:27.880 It doesn't mean that he doesn't get criticism.

00:38:29.720 It doesn't mean that I'm happy with everything that he does.

00:38:32.380 But, ultimately, I am going to try to push for and support him taking the necessary action.

00:38:38.920 Tonic Water says, where do I buy your book to give you the most money?

00:38:45.440 Oh, well, thank you very much, first and foremost.

00:38:47.980 Actually, good news.

00:38:49.220 The total state sold enough to where now it is getting another edition, a paperback edition.

00:38:53.700 So if you've been holding out to pick up a cheaper paperback, you have that opportunity will be coming up.

00:38:59.000 It's still out in hardback and in audiobook.

00:39:01.880 And really, anything you want to pick up, anywhere you want to pick up is fine.

00:39:06.520 The format that's the best for me is hardback.

00:39:09.500 But really, I'm just glad that you are enjoying it.

00:39:12.120 Thank you so much.

00:39:14.460 And he says, are there any other good ways to support your work?

00:39:17.140 Well, of course, absolutely.

00:39:18.860 Like you said, the book's there.

00:39:20.600 Also, of course, you can subscribe to Blaze TV.

00:39:23.100 That really is what allows me to do what I do.

00:39:26.120 The Blaze has been incredibly supportive, allowed me to turn this into my full-time job.

00:39:31.180 And if you would like to, you can pick up merch.

00:39:33.560 I am wearing some of the Oren McIntyre merch.

00:39:35.840 This one is the side that wants to win will always be the side that wants to be left alone.

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00:39:49.260 So if you want to get the merch, you want to subscribe to Blaze TV, you want to pick up the book,

00:39:52.760 all of those are great ways.

00:39:54.260 I really appreciate it.

00:39:55.860 Let's see here.

00:39:57.500 With a minute to go, says, I remember your tit-for-tat appeal the night of the Trump SDNY conviction in 2023.

00:40:07.520 You were right.

00:40:08.360 And still, there was zero tit-for-tat from the GOP governor's indictments in the aftermath.

00:40:14.240 Yeah.

00:40:14.660 I mean, that's exactly right.

00:40:17.980 When the left started using the judiciary to try to stop Trump's legitimate presidency,

00:40:24.360 when they were trying to keep him from being on the ballot, when they were trying to bankrupt him,

00:40:28.000 when they were trying to put him in jail for the rest of his life,

00:40:29.900 I came out and he said, you need to immediately see other GOP governors arresting Democratic politicians.

00:40:37.600 They should be for legitimate causes, because I'm sure there are Democrats who are violating the law.

00:40:42.660 I know there are Democrats that are violating the law.

00:40:45.080 They're doing it right now.

00:40:45.980 So just arrest them.

00:40:48.160 Like, it's a legitimate arrest, so just do it.

00:40:50.220 They've broken.

00:40:51.020 We kind of had this political standoff, right, where we said, well, even if a politician probably breaks the law,

00:40:57.360 we don't arrest them, because that looks bad.

00:40:59.800 That looks like we are authoritarians.

00:41:02.180 We're trying to silence the political opposition.

00:41:04.140 So we don't do that, so the other side doesn't do that.

00:41:06.400 But once the other side started doing it, you should just do it, right?

00:41:09.640 Again, you're still arresting people because they broke the law.

00:41:13.200 It's still legitimate arrest, but you are getting rid of the kind of unwritten rule.

00:41:19.560 You're getting rid of this kind of spoken agreement or this unspoken agreement that we just never prosecute politicians for their actual crimes

00:41:27.660 because we don't want to make it look like we are throwing people in jail just because of their political affiliations.

00:41:32.500 You put that aside because the left has obviously broken that rule, and you should do the same.

00:41:37.580 But we didn't.

00:41:38.680 And now the courts are coming back because Democrats paid no cost.

00:41:44.760 There was no testing in the legal sphere for some level of retaliation, some kind of tit for tat.

00:41:51.160 Now the Democrats are just saying, well, we're just going to have judges ignore what the president says.

00:41:55.820 We're just going to have judges make up rulings, ignore the Constitution, ignore separation of powers, pretend like they run the federal government, pretend like they're the actual chief executives.

00:42:06.160 And we just know the GOP is not going to do anything.

00:42:08.100 No one's going to get arrested.

00:42:09.280 No one's going to go to jail.

00:42:10.180 That's why I'm so glad to hear that Kash Patel was willing to arrest this judge who, if she did what she's alleged of doing, absolutely violated the law and deserves to be thrown off the bench and thrown into jail.

00:42:22.600 Like, she facilitated the escape of a legal alien, allegedly, from the legitimate authorities that were arresting and preparing to probably deport that illegal immigrant.

00:42:34.500 This is somebody who was there for a battery charge.

00:42:37.240 Like, is there for a battery?

00:42:38.420 Like, it's not like it's some great guy.

00:42:40.780 Like, we know he's a criminal multiple times over during this whole thing.

00:42:45.500 But she decided, again, allegedly, to try to divert that person and get him to sneak out the building and avoid deportation.

00:42:52.860 When you have judges actively involving themselves like that, you have to take a stand.

00:42:57.200 You have to put people in jail.

00:42:58.440 There's just no other option.

00:43:00.000 And this serves as a nice shot across the bow to the wider judiciary. 0.98

00:43:03.820 Hey, we're willing to take action on the most egregious case, but we're going to start moving our way down, right?

00:43:09.180 This is the most obvious case of judicial overreach.

00:43:12.500 This is the most obvious case of a judge violating the law who needs to be thrown in jail.

00:43:18.280 But you know what?

00:43:19.800 This doesn't have to be it.

00:43:21.640 It doesn't have to stop here.

00:43:23.460 So maybe think twice about your actions.

00:43:25.540 Maybe think twice about going to war over this.

00:43:27.960 Are you sure you want to start the judicial resistance?

00:43:31.160 Is that what you want to do?

00:43:32.720 Because there are going to be consequences this time.

00:43:35.460 I hope they stick to this.

00:43:36.780 I hope that there's more of this.

00:43:38.060 I hope we see very clear justification for why a judge is arrested if they are.

00:43:43.180 But this one seems pretty cut and dry.

00:43:45.100 Again, you know, she'll get her day in court. 1.00

00:43:47.580 But ultimately, if this is what judges are doing, they need to go to jail.

00:43:52.260 That's all there is to it.

00:43:53.140 And if the court is willing to completely shut down something that is necessary for the future of the United States,

00:44:00.280 simply because of their political priors, then, like Jesse Kelly said, the only option is ultimately to ignore them if they refuse to allow the government to do what it's supposed to do.

00:44:12.520 If they refuse to let the president do what he was elected to do, what is legitimate for him to do under his Article 2 powers.

00:44:18.340 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

00:44:22.080 I want to thank everybody for coming by.

00:44:24.120 It was great talking to Jesse Kelly.

00:44:25.800 Like I said, always fantastic to hang out with him.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 25, 2025

The Constitutional Crisis Is Already Here ｜ Guest： Jesse Kelly ｜ 4⧸25⧸25

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