The Constitutional Crisis Is Already Here ｜ Guest： Jesse Kelly ｜ 4⧸25⧸25
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Jesse Kelly joins me to discuss the ongoing fight against the deep state, and the judicial branch, and how they are trying to hold back President Trump and his agenda. In this episode, we discuss: - The deep state's attempt to hold President Trump's agenda back from taking office - The Deep State's ongoing effort to hold Mr. Trump accountable - The judicial branch's continued pushback against the Trump administration - And how the judicial system is being used as a tool to keep the Deep State in check.
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So in the first Trump administration, we saw an insane amount of pushback from the deep state.
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And this time going in, the Trump administration knew it was going to have to battle that entrenched bureaucracy.
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But this time around, we've seen insane pushback from a rogue judiciary.
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Judges who think that they are in charge, that they are the ones who run the executive branch,
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But the Trump administration has recently struck back, it would seem,
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arresting a judge in Wisconsin for aiding and abetting a fleeing illegal immigrant.
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Joining me to discuss that today is author and radio host, Jesse Kelly.
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I feel sometimes like I'm taking crazy pills, like I'm the only one who knows what time it is.
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We have all these national review types, all these people hectoring us over and over again
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And so it's just been great to see you standing firm.
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All right, Jesse, I have said from the very beginning that whether you support Trump or
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not, the one thing that you should realize about him, the thing that is most valuable
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And by that, I don't mean stretch it to its limits or push it beyond what it's supposed
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to, but simply by presenting himself as someone who's not going to conform to what has happened
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previously, we see over and over again, the most corrupt elements of our society out themselves.
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We've watched everyone discredit themselves during his first presidency in the media and
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in the executive branch, the unelected bureaucracy.
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They seem to be willing to throw their entire reputation and the entire reputation of the bench
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in the trash just so they can score some political points against Trump this round.
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Yeah, I think you nail this one all the time, Oren, as you do so many things.
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I've been talking about this a lot recently about how we can all, even those of us who
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Everyone who consumes your show, that's going to be the hyper-informed 1% of the society.
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We can all, myself included, be fooled by the masks and uniforms people wear.
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And when it comes to judges, this can happen to us a lot.
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The communist does not have anything that supersedes his communism.
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And it doesn't matter how important the role is.
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It doesn't matter if he's in charge of the Cub Scouts, if he's a judge, if he's a movie
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Communism will always come first and everything else is secondary.
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And we think, normal people, right, normal people think that if the job is important
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So surely, I mean, okay, so a judge, he's on the left and we got all that.
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But surely once he works really hard at law school and all those years and finally gets
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the black robe on, okay, these are important cases.
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But he'll set that aside when the time comes because the role is so important.
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So you have people waking up this morning and they're finding out, wait a minute, a judge
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in New Mexico actually had a member of a Venezuelan prison gang living with him and his wife in
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Another judge, allegedly, snuck one out the back of her private quarters so he could avoid
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ice arrest and people were just floored by this, like blown away by it.
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It's very understandable when you understand the judge doesn't look at herself or himself
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They're a communist who does some judge things from time to time.
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This is State Department, military, generals, officers feel this exact same way.
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We're shocked by this level of resistance we see from this person or this person.
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You see the general with the ribbons and the minerals and the, well, surely America comes
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Conservatives have this instinct of wanting to preserve institutions, right?
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Ultimately, we understand that perpetuating these institutions is critical.
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And so we have a hard time looking at something like that and saying that might need to be
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That might be something that we have to push aside or we have to correct.
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That's just very difficult for us, especially because, again, as conservatives, we look at
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And it's so important to make sure that the president and Congress and the judiciary, they're
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And we've been taught that if someone, especially a singular person, an executive, is taking
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action, well, the whole point of the government is to kind of slow them down, right?
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Like that's what they're there to do, to check that tyranny.
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And so maybe the judges are just doing their job.
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Maybe the bureaucrats are just doing their job.
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But then you start to look at the actual cases, right?
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We have judges that think that they are the ones who decide whether or not someone can
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Judges decide whether or not troop movements can be dictated.
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Judges decide whether or not people can be lawfully deported.
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They're not there to dictate every action the executive branch takes.
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And so it becomes very clear that these judges are going well beyond their constitutional roles.
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And yet over and over again, I see mainstream conservative publications standing up and saying,
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We're heading towards the constitutional crisis.
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Personally, I think the constitutional crisis was about 30 million illegal immigrants.
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Well, we're so far past the constitutional crisis.
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I mean, like you and I could sit and talk about a million examples.
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Because really, when you really take it in, how insane this was.
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In response to a Supreme Court decision they didn't like, the people inside of the Department
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of Justice and FBI, when digging through America's law book, found an old obscure law that wasn't
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used by anybody, dug up an old law to justify sending SWAT teams to arrest pro-lifers and send
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This was done as a collective teenage hissy fit by the United States Department of Justice
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in response to a Supreme Court decision they did not like.
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We passed constitutional crisis so long ago, you can't even see it in the rearview mirror
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What we don't, what the loser types, like the National Review types, Cato Institute and
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those other effeminate dorks, what they fail to understand, or maybe they do understand even
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worse and they're just subversives working for the other side, what they fail to understand and
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accept is that we are up against an ongoing, the largest ongoing criminal organization on the
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planet, that would be the United States government, since it's occupied by criminals now.
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You can't take down a criminal organization by pretending as if it's not a criminal organization.
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You can't go after the Gambino crime family in New York and just kind of get around that by
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asserting that what they're doing is all lawful.
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And the Gambino family doesn't suddenly become lawful just because they happen to bribe a
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It doesn't matter how many judges or laws or rules or whatever you put on it.
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If you use the United States government to facilitate the invasion of the United States of America
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by 20 to 30 million foreign barbarians, many of them rapists and murderers, who move on
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I don't care about your judge's robes or your law.
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I don't care if you try to use the constitution to justify it.
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You're my enemy and you're a criminal and you have to be defeated by any means necessary.
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But the problem as always is the narrative framing, right?
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And this is something that we hate to have to address, but you have to address because
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You have the scenario where what we have is functionally an out of control oligarchy that
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has just risen up and decided that the American people don't matter.
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It's a collection of politicians that ultimately believe that, as you say, they can manipulate
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the procedure however they like, as long as they get the correct outcome.
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But everything that we have been told about our country and our history is we are against
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The myth of our entire century, the last century, is like, never again we can ever have a dictator
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And this is, of course, the narrative they impose on Trump.
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Trump isn't anything close to a dictator, but the left has been framing him as such.
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And unfortunately, even many on the right will play into this.
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When you have this moment where the judges, the bureaucracy, all these things that normally
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should be working on behalf of the American people are instead working, as you point out,
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basically as a fifth column inside the United States against its own interests, the only
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real solution is that executive taking vigorous action against those institutions.
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And while I think that is perfectly in line with what the founders expected and what the
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Constitution dictates, ultimately, it does look like a singular person taking action against
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those that are restraining him in some way, even though what they're doing is completely
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an agenda and in no way aligns with the Constitution or the good of the American people.
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How in that moment do you push back against that idea that Trump is becoming a dictator if
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he decides to take the kind of actions that are necessary to curb rogue judges like arresting
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one who's trying to smuggle illegal aliens out the back door?
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Yeah, we have to continue to expose, well, exactly, really just put it exactly like you just put it.
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We have to expose what they're actually doing, not what they're actually saying,
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because the communist or authoritarian, whatever word you want to put on it,
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They're masterful at it because they don't share them.
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They can bounce and move back and forth for whatever values are appealing to you.
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Oh, you don't want an MS-13 gang member in your home?
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Oh, you're upset that the president of the United States of America is talking about
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We are a constitutional, this is a constitutional crisis.
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Now, these people don't give a crap about Thomas Jefferson.
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In fact, from my understanding, they completely tore apart his historical home
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They hate the Bill of Rights, but they know you do, right?
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So they understand that they can't sell what they want to do to you
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It's horrific, it's authoritarian, and it'll destroy your life.
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So you have to try to bounce around and find the words and massage the right words like,
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well, he's the authoritarian and we're fighting for democracy.
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I'm glad you brought up the narrative because the right is terrible about this.
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We're terrible about our language, about being purposeful with our language,
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as people who try to tell the truth usually are.
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When you have somebody who just kind of speaks, the words just come out.
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And therefore, when you speak from the heart, every word isn't going to be perfect,
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especially if you're dumb and uneducated like me.
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But if you ever notice, these people will not only choose the exact same language,
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they will strictly enforce the language they are told to use.
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It's all trying to lie and deceive people about what they actually want.
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Remember, you probably remember when Joe Biden gave his State of the Union,
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and I think it was Marjorie Taylor Greene, somebody was screaming at him.
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And Joe Biden, because he has no brain anymore, used the term illegal alien,
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That was an internal scandal on the left to the point that the sitting president
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of the United States of America had to go on a mini media tour
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to apologize for using the term illegal immigrant.
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That is how strict the communists are with their language,
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because when you're constantly building this world of make-believe,
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just even the tiniest grain of truth can bring the entire house crumbling down.
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They're very purposeful about the words they use.
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We just kind of speak and let the chips fall where they may.
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But all this, everything we're talking about comes down to so many on the right
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I mean, we are on a ship with people who are trying to put holes in it and sink it.
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And when you accept that basic thing, then how you deal with that is totally different than,
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well, we just have a different idea of how to sail the ship.
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We don't have a different idea of how to sail the ship.
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I want my kids, their kids, and their kids after them to enjoy the exact same country
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Well, and you like to say that the clock is ticking.
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I think there are a lot of things that the Trump administration aims to do that I support
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But specifically, the deportation stuff is critical.
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We just had a judge say that Donald Trump can't demand that states require validation of citizenship.
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You can't make sure that the people voting in your democratic elections are supposed to
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be here, that they have followed any kind of process, that they are supposed to have any
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kind of say in what the country is and is supposed to be.
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And when you are basing the entire validity of your government on popular sovereignty, on
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the idea that people vote and they give their assent to the governed or to those that govern,
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if that is the premise, and then you allow a large amount of people who have been snuck
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into the country completely illegally and have absolutely no way to verify whether or not
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they should be voting or not, and they get to decide who the next leader is, how do you
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When we have judges who are literally pushing for illegitimate elections in the name of democracy,
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Well, this is something people don't understand about immigrants, about the mass importation
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By the way, legal and otherwise, I need to point out, immigration, mass immigration doesn't
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magically become wonderful just because some law or congressman or something decides that
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People really don't get how much mass importation is probably the central pillar of the global
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authoritarians, the globalists, whatever word you want to put on these people.
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I see people all the time, and I probably have said something like this similar, wow, this
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pro-immigration stuff's really hurting Democrats.
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The public really is, they're supportive of Trump, but it's really hurting Democrats in
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And the mass importation of disloyal foreigners who can be bought with a $500 visa card is so
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central to globalism, they're happy to lose an election or drop in the public opinion of
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It's important for a variety of reasons, both for crime, education, housing prices,
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But maybe the most important part about deporting everyone they brought in is if we do not,
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they will bring in twice as many people the next time because then it just becomes the
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ultimate ratchet that only yanks our society to the left and to the left and to the left
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until in the end it doesn't matter what kind of a populist revolution you have.
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There'll never be another Donald Trump because you've brought in every single barbarian from
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every corner of the planet and they're going to vote Democrats for the rest of their natural
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lives and then they'll vote Democrats again after they die as the old joke.
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It's a cliche at this point in time, but it's true.
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If you can manage to bring in 20 million and then Trump can only deport three or four because
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you managed with enough judges, enough injunctions to slow the thing down, did you lose in
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Sure, you coughed up four years of power and Trump adjusted some things here and there,
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Yeah, there is no political consequence if you're replacing the people who are feeling
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Oh no, the, the, you know, eventually the pendulum will swing back.
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So yes, in theory, you still have a feedback mechanism.
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That doesn't mean that they had any kind of actual legitimacy or relevance.
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People who are sitting there waiting for the consequences for the other shoe to drop aren't
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factoring in that the people that are being brought in are being brought in specifically
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So the Supreme Court watches just all the insanity of 2020, right?
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Like, we got pandemics, we got every right you can imagine in the Bill of Rights trampled
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We had January 6th protesters who had insane statutes placed on them, attempting to charge
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We have an immigration system that is specifically designed by the left to funnel as many new
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voters in to make all of these elections illegitimate.
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And yet the Supreme Court takes basically no action on any of those issues.
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And yet Donald Trump uses a well-established statute to remove literal gang members who
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aren't supposed to be here anyway from the country.
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And in the middle of the night, the Supreme Court issues an order to stop these deportations.
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Samuel Alito was so disgusted that he and Clarence Thomas were the only people pushing
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back that he wrote a scathing dissent saying, basically, this is insane.
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We cut out all the due process in our attempt to issue an order about due process.
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There was that nobody was allowed to present their case from the Trump administration.
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They weren't allowed to let the lower courts get any relief.
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He said, basically, we just cut out the entire due process of this whole thing while trying
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to say that the Trump administration is not honoring due process.
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When you have Republicans who appoint judges, you're supposed to have a conservative Supreme
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And they do an emergency midnight order to block a constitutional deportation.
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How do you proceed as a conservative movement when you know that you only have two of a two
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justices on a court that's supposed to be like a six, four conservative that will actually
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That becomes a very difficult moment in which you have to take action.
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How is the Trump administration going to respond to the Supreme Court that that's hostile?
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Well, I don't know how they will, but I know how they should.
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It's not like it hasn't happened before, but let's set that aside, actually, because I
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don't want to use that as some sort of a fig leaf for what I'm saying.
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I don't care if it had never happened before in the history of this country.
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You cannot you can't just acknowledge that ruling by the United States Supreme Court.
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This is this is a go left or right or it's not even really about America.
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If a country is not allowed to deport the barbarians, one party brought in as fast as the party brought
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them in for whatever reason, whether it's Supreme Court, the Constitution or the law.
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But for whatever reason, if you're not allowed to deport them, then you don't have a country
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We're not playing a game with the courts and the Constitution and the lower courts and
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We're playing a game for the survival of the United States of America.
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These people should be loaded up on planes as fast as humanly possible.
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And that's before the raids happen that actually snatch up every single bandwoman and child who's
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in this country illegally and ship them all back home to and anybody, including judges
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on the Supreme Court who steps in to try to stop it, should be arrested and thrown in prison
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I know people are cringing right now, maybe thinking it is.
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I cannot stress this point enough that I am the moderate solution, that if the United States
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of America, if the people of the United States of America, if their will is not permitted
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to be implemented by whoever, by the Supreme Court, whoever, if they are not allowed to
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implement their will by electing a new president, a new Congress, a new Senate, then they will
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The moderate solution is ignoring the Supreme Court, arrest anybody, judges included, who
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try to stop you, gather up the people who are in this country who should not be here and
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If you try to nip and tuck this thing, well, we're going to do, we've just filed a motion
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to give us another cup of, then by the, well, I mean, look, Arnd, it's what, it's, what is
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We're a year and a half away from Donald Trump being impeached.
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Democrats are going to take back the House in the midterms.
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They're going to impeach Donald Trump immediately.
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They're going to, it's going to happen in the first 15 minutes of the Democrats taking back
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They'll get every single Democrat vote and probably four or five Republican votes somewhere along
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Either do what you have to do now, or we can't fix it without something really bad happening.
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Like you and me, we might sound like we're saying some crazy stuff.
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We are trying to let you know, this is the off ramp.
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You create a situation where people cannot live in their country.
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They know that their elites are simply taking advantage of them at every single step and that
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And they have to do all this while hearing about the sacredness of democracy and the power
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Eventually, you're going to get Franco and that'll be the better option.
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If you want to get off before you get there, this is a point.
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And that's why I want to ask you about this, this last situation, because I know you've
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You know, the, the arrest that just occurred again, I'm sure that this is going to be Trump
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You and I, and I, I've been on your program talking about this.
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We both said that the FBI needs to be deconstructed, that it was too corrupt and that it's the,
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it's basically the secret police of the democratic party.
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And you just can't fix a institution like that.
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I still think there's a strong argument to be made for that, but to his credit, cash
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I think that says something about the ability of him to perhaps turn that organization around.
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What do you think about that step by the Trump administration?
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And what do you think about the future of the FBI, if they are able to be used in this
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One, I think it's huge and credit where credit's due.
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He did send the FBI after judges who committed criminal acts and he did arrest them.
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And, and I know cash Patel's trying, I don't know him personally.
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And I do, I know for a fact he is trying to reform the FBI.
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These judges were arrested, not just for the fact that judges were arrested.
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It does send a message to all the other elected communist lawbreakers around the country that
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If you're an elected communist, you just get to break whatever law you want.
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You never face any problems unless you're Bob Menendez with a suitcase full of gold bars.
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That's pretty much what you have to do to get arrested in this country.
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But now it puts the rest of them on notice that, yes, they can have, this can happen to you.
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You cannot save a 35,000 person secret police agency that's done the things they've done.
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The Hunter Biden laptop story alone should have ended the organization.
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The next day there should have been an emergency GOP session of Congress with every penny of the FBI being defunded.
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As soon as it was discovered, they took in Hunter Biden's laptop, knew it was real.
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And upon wiretapping somebody and finding out an article was going to be published in the Post,
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they approached social media and told them to censor the story that immediately, overnight, that's the entire organization.
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Not a couple guys resigning, not even a couple arrests.
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The entire organization, every single person fired, demo the building when they're gone,
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Well, like I said, Jesse's got some limited time, so I will answer the questions of the audience.
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But Jesse, if people want to find you, I know you've got the book, the TV show, you got the radio show.
00:29:12.240
Anything exciting coming up you want to let people know about?
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We're leaving cities across the country or just podcasts, the whole thing, when you're not jamming out on ARN.
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Let's take a look at the questions of the people over here.
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As much as I still wish someone would turn that Jesse Kelly or McIntyre midwit meme from Twitter into an animated web series,
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We are definitely on the same wavelength in a weird way.
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And so it is always a fantastic conversation when he is on.
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Yeah, it really has become very obvious at this point.
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Jay, how many times can the left go out there and say people are a danger to democracy?
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Voting is a danger to a democracy before people kind of pick up on what you're actually saying.
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That is what they're really worried about when they say that our democracy is in danger,
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which is why they are willing to literally make elections illegitimate.
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Say, oh, no, we think ultimately that you shouldn't be able to check whether someone is here legally or not before they vote.
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Like, once you get there, it's pretty obvious what's going on.
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Yeah, obviously the time for the half measures is done.
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I just did that essay that I put out as a show yesterday about the critical nature of deportations.
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If we don't get deportations, the country is just over.
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Like, I don't mean to be a doomer, but that is the level of urgency we need to have for deportations.
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And because they must happen, they will happen.
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And the only question is, how many institutions inside the United States will discredit themselves trying to stand between deportations and their necessity?
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It looks like judiciary is willing to sacrifice itself as well.
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You cannot have a country, especially a country that tells itself, it selects its leaders through a democratic process in which you import tens of millions of people and then use their will to validate your political leadership.
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Forget the ethnic cleansing these people are doing half the time, just the actual political ramifications, just the basic political narrative of what America is.
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America is a place where the people have a voice.
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Well, if the ruling class can just swap out the people and use those voices instead of your voice, then you having a voice doesn't matter.
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Even leftists are saying that mass immigration is too much.
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Obviously, there are still plenty of progressives who believe in this religion.
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Obviously, we still see that there are people inside of the judiciary who are willing to sacrifice, theoretically, themselves on this altar.
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And the thing is, as Jesse pointed out, they don't think it's going to be a sacrifice, right?
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Like, none of these people ever think there's going to be consequences.
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That's why leftists burn stuff down all the time.
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That's why they violate the rules when they are in bureaucracies.
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That's why they deny the law even when they're judges because, ultimately, they cannot imagine a world where they lose, where they pay a price.
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They think that the progressive narrative of history, the Whig version of history, is they win every time, all the time.
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They cannot imagine a future in which they don't take some political action and then eventually the consequences are waved away because their guys are in power.
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That's why it's critical that these people actually feel paid.
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But you have to understand the very basics of human interaction, the very basics of game theory.
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There has to be some kind of penalty when they do not reciprocate cooperation.
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This is the most basic thing everyone knows in human life.
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If you let someone continually get away with things without any kind of consequence, they will continue to do them.
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If the judges do not pay a cost, if the left does not pay a cost, they will continue to behave exactly in the way they have up until now.
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Thuggo says, is the Trump administration making a big show of deporting a few people to prison but eschewing mass deportation?
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However, you have to understand that there is a sequence of events that you need to pull off correctly to mass deport people.
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If you just go out and start rounding up millions of millions, and let's be honest, it's got to be tens of millions of people at this point.
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If you start rounding up all of those people and you don't have a plan to deport them, you do not have a clear path to get them out of the country right away, you don't have the logistics spooled up, you don't have the countries to take them to, you don't have the judiciary lined up to allow that to happen.
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Then what happens is all of these people, tens of millions of people, sit in detention facilities.
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Somebody gets assaulted because it's a bunch of criminals sitting around, a bunch of gang members in many cases.
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And all of a sudden, no one wants to take back any of their illegal aliens.
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You need to make sure you have the order of operations correct.
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You need to make sure that you have the logistics available to get people deported quickly once you have them in custody.
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That means having the transportation, yes, but that also means having the countries to take them to.
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Now, it might be that you just need to avoid or to ignore the Supreme Court.
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That said, you need to make sure you have exhausted that and that is the plan.
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You need to know where you're going when you do this.
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Because I hope that ultimately the Trump administration is actually planning mass deportations.
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They seem to be taking actions and picking fights that allow them to do this.
00:36:05.100
But am I going to completely rail on the Trump administration and say, oh, well, they have no plans to do this?
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No, I'm not because I just don't think that's true.
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I think they're trying to do their best to change a system radically, to challenge it in a way it has not been challenged in any of our lifetimes and really in like 100 years.
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And that doesn't mean they get a free pass, but that also means they're going to get my support until I think they genuinely are not trying to do that anymore.
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Freelancer you, freelancer you, says, let's be real, though.
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Does Trump have the balls to ignore the courts?
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So I don't think that Trump is going to get in there and blow up the entire system.
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But that said, do I think he has the will to ignore the courts?
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But we have to remember, again, the moment, great, great moments always are a mixture of leaders and the moment itself.
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The people will talk about the great men of history versus the trends and forces history, like the Thomas Carlisle's great man of history versus this idea that, like, it's just the trends and forces and the situation.
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That actually produce these great changes in society.
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You might have the moment come, but if there's not a man to take the action, then it passes you by.
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You might have the great man, but if you don't have the moment that produces the opportunity, perhaps the great man will not be able to forge forward.
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It is perhaps unlikely that he is a great man of history.
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But I do know that this is the moment where we need one.
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That doesn't mean, again, that I completely give him a free pass.
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But I also know that in this moment, he is trying to forge ahead and do something that simply has not been done.
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And to be fair, no Republican politician has come anywhere close to having the will to do.
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It may turn out that Trump does not have the will as well.
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However, he has done better than anyone else in his position for my lifetime.
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It doesn't mean that I'm happy with everything that he does.
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But, ultimately, I am going to try to push for and support him taking the necessary action.
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Tonic Water says, where do I buy your book to give you the most money?
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Oh, well, thank you very much, first and foremost.
00:38:49.220
The total state sold enough to where now it is getting another edition, a paperback edition.
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And really, anything you want to pick up, anywhere you want to pick up is fine.
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With a minute to go, says, I remember your tit-for-tat appeal the night of the Trump SDNY conviction in 2023.
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And still, there was zero tit-for-tat from the GOP governor's indictments in the aftermath.
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When the left started using the judiciary to try to stop Trump's legitimate presidency,
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when they were trying to keep him from being on the ballot, when they were trying to bankrupt him,
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when they were trying to put him in jail for the rest of his life,
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I came out and he said, you need to immediately see other GOP governors arresting Democratic politicians.
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They should be for legitimate causes, because I'm sure there are Democrats who are violating the law.
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I know there are Democrats that are violating the law.
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We kind of had this political standoff, right, where we said, well, even if a politician probably breaks the law,
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We're trying to silence the political opposition.
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So we don't do that, so the other side doesn't do that.
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But once the other side started doing it, you should just do it, right?
00:41:09.640
Again, you're still arresting people because they broke the law.
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It's still legitimate arrest, but you are getting rid of the kind of unwritten rule.
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You're getting rid of this kind of spoken agreement or this unspoken agreement that we just never prosecute politicians for their actual crimes
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because we don't want to make it look like we are throwing people in jail just because of their political affiliations.
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You put that aside because the left has obviously broken that rule, and you should do the same.
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And now the courts are coming back because Democrats paid no cost.
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There was no testing in the legal sphere for some level of retaliation, some kind of tit for tat.
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Now the Democrats are just saying, well, we're just going to have judges ignore what the president says.
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We're just going to have judges make up rulings, ignore the Constitution, ignore separation of powers, pretend like they run the federal government, pretend like they're the actual chief executives.
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And we just know the GOP is not going to do anything.
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That's why I'm so glad to hear that Kash Patel was willing to arrest this judge who, if she did what she's alleged of doing, absolutely violated the law and deserves to be thrown off the bench and thrown into jail.
00:42:22.600
Like, she facilitated the escape of a legal alien, allegedly, from the legitimate authorities that were arresting and preparing to probably deport that illegal immigrant.
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This is somebody who was there for a battery charge.
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Like, we know he's a criminal multiple times over during this whole thing.
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But she decided, again, allegedly, to try to divert that person and get him to sneak out the building and avoid deportation.
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When you have judges actively involving themselves like that, you have to take a stand.
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And this serves as a nice shot across the bow to the wider judiciary.
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Hey, we're willing to take action on the most egregious case, but we're going to start moving our way down, right?
00:43:09.180
This is the most obvious case of judicial overreach.
00:43:12.500
This is the most obvious case of a judge violating the law who needs to be thrown in jail.
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Maybe think twice about going to war over this.
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Are you sure you want to start the judicial resistance?
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Because there are going to be consequences this time.
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I hope we see very clear justification for why a judge is arrested if they are.
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But ultimately, if this is what judges are doing, they need to go to jail.
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And if the court is willing to completely shut down something that is necessary for the future of the United States,
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simply because of their political priors, then, like Jesse Kelly said, the only option is ultimately to ignore them if they refuse to allow the government to do what it's supposed to do.
00:44:12.520
If they refuse to let the president do what he was elected to do, what is legitimate for him to do under his Article 2 powers.
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All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.
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