The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Cozy Holiday Spectacular

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00:01:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:01:37.680 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:01:39.180 I've got a great stream with many great guests that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:01:44.380 So every year, I like to do kind of a post-Christmas wrap-up, invite on some of the friends of the channel, talk about the holiday, what they enjoyed, reminisce a little bit about the year that was, and talk a little bit about what is coming up for us this year.

00:02:05.180 So, on the show today, I have Ryan Turnip.

00:02:10.180 Thank you very much for having me.

00:02:11.180 I've got the good old boy.

00:02:13.180 I've got the good old boys, of course, Bugbeef and Marek.

00:02:15.460 Thanks for coming on, guys.

00:02:17.360 Thanks.

00:02:17.600 And, of course, the return of somebody who has not been on in a long time, but I'm glad that he is back today.

00:02:28.240 American Ostracon, thanks for joining me, man.

00:02:30.500 As always, Oron, it is a pleasure to be here.

00:02:34.260 Yeah, we've got the all-star cast, as many people are noticing.

00:02:37.960 I did have Prudentialist.

00:02:39.840 I wanted him to come on, of course, because he's on all the time.

00:02:43.820 But, unfortunately, he is traveling today, so best wishes to him.

00:02:48.860 Hope he has safe travels and a good rest of this remaining year.

00:02:54.840 All right, guys.

00:02:55.460 So, obviously, we just had all the Christmas.

00:02:58.600 We just enjoyed, you know, all of the festivities.

00:03:02.720 I'm wondering, I think most of us are from the South here, so we do Christmas a little different.

00:03:08.960 I mean, I'm in South Florida, so we can swim, you know, most years.

00:03:12.780 You can go to the beach, most years.

00:03:14.640 It was a little chilly this time.

00:03:16.860 But I'm wondering, you know, I think the big controversy I had this year going into Thanksgiving

00:03:22.560 is there's a lot of people rebelling against the turkey.

00:03:26.900 There's the battle against the turkey.

00:03:28.920 And I feel like this is a terrible breaking of tradition because, you know, yeah, I get it.

00:03:35.820 Like, there might be a meal you slightly prefer.

00:03:38.420 You know, you have complaints against turkey because you don't know how to cook it.

00:03:41.740 And you're just really bad at it.

00:03:44.180 But turkey is the traditional meal.

00:03:47.940 And you should have it because it is the platonic ideal of kind of Thanksgiving.

00:03:53.660 Christmas is a little different.

00:03:54.960 I feel like ham or turkey is acceptable.

00:03:57.860 What do you guys do, you know, food-wise for Christmas?

00:04:01.260 Ryan, what do you guys usually do?

00:04:02.920 Well, we had both ham and turkey.

00:04:05.300 And that tends to be what we cook every Christmas is just both.

00:04:11.220 Ever since we have, we have since acquired a couple hundred chickens.

00:04:15.360 So sometimes there might be, you know, homegrown chicken smoked at home.

00:04:20.100 Whatever else would go along with that.

00:04:21.700 And then all the usual sides.

00:04:23.800 Doesn't have to be an either or.

00:04:26.380 Nope, for sure.

00:04:27.680 You can get all the different options.

00:04:29.540 Ostracon, what are you guys usually doing?

00:04:31.920 So it's, I mean, the correct answer is deep fried turkey in peanut oil.

00:04:39.100 Yes.

00:04:40.080 Cajun butter injected is a.

00:04:41.980 Oh, yeah.

00:04:42.700 You can throw some Everglades seasoning in there with the butter.

00:04:45.540 And then just inject it all over the turkey.

00:04:48.940 And, you know, let that cook.

00:04:50.500 I believe it's three minutes a pound is the general rule on that one.

00:04:54.320 And, yeah, you can get a ham to cook.

00:04:58.960 But, like, honey-baked ham makes it.

00:05:01.120 And it's really good.

00:05:02.460 And it's a lot less effort.

00:05:03.900 So between turkey and honey-baked ham, I know I had some people do actually like some Cuban food as well, which is, you know, there's nothing wrong with that.

00:05:18.360 But, yeah, so, like, ham and turkey.

00:05:21.600 And then for sides, just, you know, like sweet potatoes or anything else you can throw in the deep fryer.

00:05:29.540 You know, usually you cook the turkey first and then you get creative.

00:05:32.460 You can throw a chicken in there if you want to.

00:05:34.500 The sky's the limit.

00:05:36.540 Just remember to defrost that bird, guys.

00:05:39.160 Don't load the fridge.

00:05:40.660 Yeah, unless you enjoy, you know, turkey mortars.

00:05:45.040 Mortar rounds.

00:05:47.380 Yeah, that's a critical one.

00:05:50.280 Bog beef, what do you guys usually do when it comes for Christmas dinner?

00:05:54.300 Well, first off, I mean, I got to say, because this is a, because I'm going to, you know, you got to say a nice thing before you say a bad thing.

00:06:02.220 So, uh, there is nothing more beautiful on the, on, on the, the Thanksgiving table or the Christmas table than a big old juicy honey baked ham with the string on it and all that stuff.

00:06:15.160 But, uh, I can't do it.

00:06:17.520 It gives me the honey baked ham gives me horrible gas.

00:06:22.080 I mean, it is, it's bad.

00:06:24.160 It's, I will light the place up.

00:06:26.540 And so, uh, you know, uh, I, I'm, I'm a traditionalist, but I'm also redneck and a certain kind of redneck.

00:06:35.880 So no, I mean, uh, we always do Turkey for Thanksgiving, but Christmas is seafood.

00:06:43.040 So like, uh, we will, I will, we, we had oyster stew.

00:06:48.680 That is a, that's sort of a forgotten tradition.

00:06:51.760 And, you know, I looked it up and on Google, it says, oh, this is a Irish American tradition.

00:06:58.440 Where did Irish people live in early America that had oysters?

00:07:03.180 Someone answered me that.

00:07:04.580 I don't believe that at all.

00:07:06.360 Sorry.

00:07:07.300 The James for Thanksgiving.

00:07:10.080 Is that like a thing places in America?

00:07:12.260 What is seafood of any kind?

00:07:14.720 Well, I mean, so like, uh, I grew up on a shrimp boat, all my family, we all eat just seafood.

00:07:20.800 That's what, that's, that's what we, that's what we like.

00:07:23.420 And so, uh, that's, that's what we had, but, uh, I don't know.

00:07:28.240 I don't know what the, what other, we, we, like the idea was, oh, it's Christmas.

00:07:32.880 We're going to eat what we really enjoy things that we really enjoy.

00:07:35.900 So I had like soft shell crab, I had some, I had some king crab legs, stuff like that.

00:07:41.200 Well, a little country boil is probably an acceptable, you know, flop in there.

00:07:46.020 Yeah.

00:07:48.100 Mark, what about you?

00:07:49.040 I mean, I guess it must've been nice for the people who settled in the Boston colony

00:07:54.480 to have a nice little powwow with their native friends and cook a turkey and everything.

00:07:59.500 But where I'm from, we built a stockade and started eating each other within like a year.

00:08:05.160 So for me, it's long pork, right?

00:08:08.280 That's not true.

00:08:10.620 Thanksgiving and ham at Christmas.

00:08:12.480 It's Virginia, baby.

00:08:13.720 You know, that's one of the theories about that.

00:08:17.060 Uh, it's, I'm sure it's not true, but one of the funny theories you can tell us to scare

00:08:21.880 people, uh, is that the reason why, uh, the reason, the reason why pork is, is prohibited

00:08:27.820 in a lot of religions because it, it tastes too much like people and it'll get you, get

00:08:33.040 you going and on, uh, on when they eat people.

00:08:36.820 Who was the person who figured that one out?

00:08:40.200 Well, they'll, well, you know, somebody out there had to, well, they'll, uh, they'll eat,

00:08:46.300 the pigs will eat people, right?

00:08:48.000 You know, they'll, they'll go through, through bones and stuff.

00:08:50.520 That's a way that, that, uh, people have disposed to bodies.

00:08:53.780 So you, you might be secondhand eating, you know, uh, you know, might be a cannibal secondhand

00:08:59.340 either way.

00:09:00.180 Chickens will eat anything too.

00:09:01.800 And turkeys.

00:09:02.580 So, you know, from holiday meals to cannibalism, I'm just, I used to track this.

00:09:09.440 I had like a, I had like a counter of like every single time someone in the world got eaten

00:09:13.960 by another person.

00:09:14.860 I just, I just find this very, I just find it very amusing.

00:09:20.120 I'm not sure.

00:09:20.860 Uh, it's usually, it's the, you know, it's the, the thing where the, uh, you know, the,

00:09:25.660 the boats get lost at sea and they don't have a radio or whatever.

00:09:29.400 So somebody draws a short straw and that's, that's a wrap.

00:09:33.560 Could it might've had, I need to find out if it ever happened on a Thanksgiving or Christmas

00:09:37.900 day.

00:09:38.380 Maybe somebody had a Thanksgiving dinner.

00:09:41.520 I mean, if they were starving enough on the first Thanksgiving, you know, they're, you

00:09:45.380 know, there's, there's the option there.

00:09:46.840 Well, that I, it is, is, it is, it is not, uh, unthinkable to imagine that that happened

00:09:53.620 at Jamestown.

00:09:54.840 The worst peanut special ever.

00:09:59.380 It's like the old episode.

00:10:01.100 I know we kept talking about King of the Hill.

00:10:03.360 Dale Gribble asked John Redcorn is like, Hey, John Redcorn, did your people ever celebrate

00:10:07.960 Thanksgiving?

00:10:09.160 He replies back.

00:10:10.360 We did once.

00:10:14.680 I blame Merrick.

00:10:15.760 You're the one that brought it up.

00:10:16.860 Did people actually get eaten at Jamestown?

00:10:19.860 Yeah, absolutely.

00:10:21.460 Yeah.

00:10:22.140 There's archeological evidence of it.

00:10:24.180 Yeah.

00:10:24.580 They don't, they don't have those classical paintings with that, with that stuff.

00:10:28.220 Like they do the pilgrims.

00:10:30.300 There's no Norman Rockwell painting of the starving time in Jamestown.

00:10:35.140 Sorry, guys.

00:10:35.880 I do want to see everybody for showing up to our cannibalism show.

00:10:40.140 Well, this is like Godwin's law, but for, uh, but for cannibalism or on, you had a show

00:10:47.020 you, you, there is a episode of the, the great Oran or the Oran McIntyre show where the title

00:10:53.680 of it is it's not okay to eat people, right?

00:10:56.400 Yes.

00:10:56.700 Actually, Ostrakhan was on that one.

00:10:58.600 Uh, we had the, we, we had some debate.

00:11:01.380 Well, no, there were.

00:11:02.600 So if I remember correctly, there was a army hammer had apparently the actor has some kind

00:11:07.920 of cannibalism fetish and, and, and so they, they were doing like stories once this came

00:11:13.500 out in papers and like, yeah, they were trying to normalize it.

00:11:17.440 And it's just like, why is like, no, we can never judge.

00:11:21.020 We can never, ever judge.

00:11:22.560 I think that might've been our first cannibalism.

00:11:25.180 Like, no, I'm not cool with that.

00:11:27.440 All cultures are beautiful.

00:11:29.260 I think that might've been our first, uh, our first, the slippery slope is undefeated

00:11:33.420 episode.

00:11:33.920 All right.

00:11:38.560 So another, another, uh, Christmas related question, of course, die hard.

00:11:44.660 Is it a Christmas movie?

00:11:45.660 Is it not a Christmas movie?

00:11:47.040 This one goes on and on.

00:11:48.820 Uh, you know, I, I think, I think that at this point, unfortunately that discussion while

00:11:52.560 I first am using is just become a tiresome meme.

00:11:55.140 Uh, but do any of you have a non-traditional, uh, Christmas movie or like something you watch

00:12:01.400 that is, it could be Christmas related.

00:12:03.540 You know, it doesn't have to be something that's totally not, but, but is outside, you

00:12:08.000 think probably the normal watch list for, for when it comes to Christmas specials or things

00:12:13.440 that people watch annually on Christmas, uh, we'll go in reverse over here.

00:12:17.140 America, you got any, any odd Christmas watches you usually do?

00:12:21.760 Yeah.

00:12:22.240 My dad, every year in the last few years would force us to watch bad Santa, which I mean,

00:12:31.740 that is a Christmas theme movie, but when you have the entire family gathered around,

00:12:36.240 that's an awkward movie to watch together.

00:12:38.180 Yeah.

00:12:38.580 Yeah.

00:12:38.900 Yeah.

00:12:38.980 But you got it.

00:12:40.100 You got a real kick out of that.

00:12:41.840 I was hoping it would be something that like the twilight zone.

00:12:44.540 I mean, it was like, they gotta be a Rod Sterling, you know, did they used to do the, the new

00:12:49.400 year's day, uh, marathon or something?

00:12:51.400 Oh, they still do.

00:12:52.180 Yeah.

00:12:52.420 Okay.

00:12:53.240 But that's just, I'll watch that anytime.

00:12:55.380 Uh, uh, Bob, you got any weird holiday, uh, classics you watch?

00:13:00.880 So, uh, I know my limits.

00:13:03.600 I'm one of these people that I don't have, uh, I don't have good taste, but I know people

00:13:09.380 that do.

00:13:10.200 So like if I ever listen to music or I watch movies, I just go ask people that, that, that,

00:13:15.700 uh, no movies or music.

00:13:17.820 And I'm like, Hey, what should I watch for Christmas?

00:13:19.840 And they'll just tell me a good name.

00:13:21.660 So I, I don't, I don't ever pick, I don't pick movies.

00:13:25.380 You just take excellent recommendations.

00:13:27.400 Yes.

00:13:28.420 Well, now you've got the whole list.

00:13:30.140 Uh, last things did the, uh, the whole, uh, I think you were on that, right?

00:13:34.540 Bog, you did one of the movies.

00:13:35.760 Yeah.

00:13:36.000 And that's how I did it.

00:13:37.100 I didn't pick a movie.

00:13:38.060 He picked a movie.

00:13:39.680 Nice.

00:13:40.520 Yeah.

00:13:40.980 Yeah.

00:13:41.280 You got to, uh, like think like 40 recommendations.

00:13:43.820 If you want to go, uh, watch what all the, uh, uh, right wing, uh, online artists are

00:13:49.060 watching.

00:13:49.600 I'm, I'm picky, but I'm also picky about being picky.

00:13:52.940 Like I'm picky about what I'm picky about.

00:13:55.760 So like, I'm very particular about my food, cars, uh, you know, these kinds of things.

00:14:02.300 But, um, I know, I know my limits.

00:14:04.560 I know some things I don't know.

00:14:06.220 I don't know anything about, but I, I, but I know I got a guy, you know what I mean?

00:14:12.360 Ostracon, you got any weird Christmas watches?

00:14:15.100 Yeah.

00:14:15.500 I always end up watching like John Milneus movies around Christmas.

00:14:19.520 Hmm.

00:14:19.860 Like Conan the Barbarian or, um, or I'll watch, uh, like Red Dawn or another one of his that

00:14:29.760 I really like is the wind and the lion.

00:14:32.540 Um, but yeah, I don't know.

00:14:34.340 Like I always lean back towards like eighties and nineties movies during Christmas.

00:14:40.260 It just gives me the warm fuzzies.

00:14:42.340 Um, and, uh, the Lord of the Rings trilogy is always like a Christmas time.

00:14:47.880 Mostly I think it's because there's just enough time to actually watch those movies.

00:14:51.860 Are you an extended edition guy?

00:14:53.760 Yeah.

00:14:54.400 I like, I mean, I like the pacing of, of the original cut.

00:14:57.820 I get why it's done that way, but because I love the characters and everything so much,

00:15:02.700 the extended is what I enjoy, but I believe the theatrical release is the better product.

00:15:09.380 It's a better movie.

00:15:11.000 Does the extended version have the mouth of Sauron in it?

00:15:15.120 It does.

00:15:15.840 Yes, it does.

00:15:16.580 It's got in the, in the return of the King, it has the mouth of Sauron in it.

00:15:21.160 Yeah.

00:15:21.680 That, I mean, I agree with the theatrical scene, by the way.

00:15:25.860 Yeah.

00:15:26.180 Like most of the time, the theatrical cuts are better because like other director cuts come

00:15:30.720 out a lot and the directors don't want to kill their babies or whatever, or kill their

00:15:36.860 darlings or whatever, but I, that scene is so good.

00:15:41.220 Like, I, you're most of them.

00:15:43.400 There's plenty to enjoy in both versions.

00:15:46.460 Um, I really like the extended versions.

00:15:48.580 I'm with you on that, but I would argue that the theatrical versions have better pacing.

00:15:55.260 Yeah.

00:15:55.480 Mastering Commander would be a good.

00:15:57.320 Oh, that's just a good, yeah.

00:15:59.100 Mastering Commander's in there.

00:16:00.400 And then, um, yeah, like naval or ocean type of movies.

00:16:04.820 Like, um, uh, what's, uh, the Tom Hanks one, Cast Away.

00:16:08.880 That's another one that you can just kind of like, that's a good long watch movie that

00:16:13.060 you can just watch during the holidays.

00:16:16.500 Yeah.

00:16:17.060 It's a good time for long watch movies.

00:16:19.260 Like we would always watch Ben-Hur or.

00:16:21.880 Oh, that's a good one.

00:16:23.080 I'm kind of a Christmas movie.

00:16:25.260 Yeah.

00:16:25.440 I suppose it is, uh, um, yeah, so, so it's, it's a good time for long watches.

00:16:30.960 Ryan, what about you?

00:16:32.500 Uh, so I'm, I'm going to be resurrecting a conversation here.

00:16:36.440 My girlfriend really likes Tolkien.

00:16:38.680 Um, and I think probably rereads the trilogy yearly.

00:16:43.120 Um, and she brought to my attention that the fellowship departs from Rivendell, uh, on the

00:16:47.940 25th of December.

00:16:49.680 And therefore.

00:16:51.100 Yeah.

00:16:51.340 And therefore it is a Christmas movie.

00:16:53.160 So we have to watch it at Christmas.

00:16:54.760 So, um, that, that's, that's, uh, that tends to be what we've watched there, at least just

00:17:00.140 the first one, uh, so that we can catch up with the other books.

00:17:02.900 But, uh, beyond that, um, I think the extended are better.

00:17:06.680 And I actually disagree that the pacing is better in the theatrical just because, uh, right

00:17:11.380 before Pelennor Fields, you actually get more tension built up, uh, before the horn sounds.

00:17:16.700 Um, it's, uh, it's certainly, uh, I, I think it, uh, depicts the, uh, what was it the

00:17:22.540 Tolkien calls it, the eucatastrophe better, uh, in the, uh, extended version than theatrical

00:17:28.320 because in the theatrical, they just kind of arrive at the battle as opposed to this

00:17:32.060 dire scene with Gandalf right before, um, the Lich King.

00:17:36.340 So.

00:17:36.900 I mean, there are exceptions like Kingdom of Heaven, uh, pretty famously has a much better

00:17:42.120 extended cut than the theatrical.

00:17:43.920 That changes the movie, uh, quite a bit, uh, so that, that's a much better.

00:17:48.920 I'm going to flip this topic on its head really quick and argue that It's a Wonderful Life is

00:17:53.420 not a Christmas movie other than the fact that happens to take place around Christmas.

00:17:58.520 Like it's a deep, dark film about a man losing his faith and then regaining it.

00:18:05.280 It just happens to be around Christmas time.

00:18:07.300 Yeah.

00:18:07.460 But so, all right.

00:18:09.200 So I guess we're going to do this anyway.

00:18:10.900 All right.

00:18:11.240 I, did I open up a can?

00:18:14.180 No, just, so what makes it, so what makes a Christmas movie then?

00:18:16.860 Because does it just need to be, because it's obviously centered around the holiday in some

00:18:21.720 way.

00:18:22.520 I mean, it specifically is about, uh, God sending an angel.

00:18:27.420 Uh, so, I mean, it's, it's pretty on the nose there too.

00:18:30.440 It's certainly in the theme of redemption and, and, and, uh, in a direct intervention of

00:18:35.840 the divine.

00:18:36.800 I mean, I get that it's a darker tone and I think that's why a lot of that, that's one of

00:18:40.500 the reasons it endures it's, it's the rare movie, uh, that kind of takes Christmas seriously,

00:18:47.340 uh, and, and, and kind of, uh, does more than just have a quick family wrap up for a solution

00:18:54.180 for a problem.

00:18:55.260 But I don't think you have to be just kind of this glib celebration, uh, to be a Christmas

00:19:00.320 movie.

00:19:00.720 I'm not going to be playing too much 40 K.

00:19:03.500 You, you're trying to make the, the, the grim dark in the future.

00:19:08.500 Christmas.

00:19:08.980 There is only Christmas.

00:19:10.780 Yeah.

00:19:11.140 There was an old SNL episode where they find like at the, it's like right after that scene

00:19:16.680 where he gets the money, they find out that Mr. Potter stole it and they all go and kick

00:19:20.920 his butt and kill him and throw him in the fire.

00:19:24.080 Yeah.

00:19:25.920 It's like, we're going to go kick Mr. Potter's ass.

00:19:28.640 What a jerk.

00:19:30.280 They do the Texas switch where they got the actor.

00:19:33.580 He ducks under the table and they get one of those obviously fake dummies and just start

00:19:37.380 like beating it on camera for like 30 seconds.

00:19:41.480 Ryan, Ryan gave me a new idea for another video essay.

00:19:45.160 We need to get, we need to get this going on the, the, the nerd content, Merrick.

00:19:48.980 So he said that the, so the fellowship left on December 25th, therefore the Gregorian calendar

00:19:55.300 exists in, uh, what were they called?

00:19:57.660 What do they call the land in, in, um, yeah, I think that's pretty explicit though.

00:20:02.800 Okay.

00:20:03.120 So the Gregorian calendar exists in middle earth and therefore the, the, uh, July exists.

00:20:09.500 Therefore, Julie Caesar, therefore the Roman empire exists in middle earth.

00:20:13.280 We got to get this going.

00:20:15.160 This is the expanded universe.

00:20:16.740 I was going to say, this is the crossover we've been waiting for.

00:20:19.500 This is the return of the King.

00:20:21.660 No, no, no, no.

00:20:22.420 Return of the Caesar.

00:20:23.640 I mean, I always thought it was really cool in the line, the witch in the wardrobe book

00:20:27.200 when, when Santa comes and brings them like, not just gifts, but like more important tools

00:20:34.500 for weapons of war.

00:20:35.860 Yeah.

00:20:36.680 Yeah.

00:20:37.100 And well that, so that makes the, the line, which in the wardrobe movie, a Christmas movie.

00:20:41.180 Obviously it has to be.

00:20:45.000 So that's interesting.

00:20:45.800 You know, that, that, what do you think it is?

00:20:48.640 I mean, obviously the Lord of the Rings is more of an adult tale.

00:20:52.360 So that's probably why, you know, to some extent it passed, it, it, uh, gained the level

00:20:58.320 of notoriety did, but they, they kind of stopped, I think after only two or maybe three of the,

00:21:04.460 uh, of the Chronicles of Narnia, uh, movies, they're mining like D or E tier comic book

00:21:11.940 movies at this point.

00:21:12.860 Why aren't we getting at least the, the, the next couple of Chronicles of Narnia movies?

00:21:18.180 Like why, why did we never see that?

00:21:20.200 Cause it's overtly Christian.

00:21:22.160 And like, that's an easy answer.

00:21:24.360 I suppose, but I don't know.

00:21:26.240 It just feels like as, uh, you know, the, as, as desperate as they are to find content.

00:21:30.940 So, you know, something in there would, you know, Prince Caspian, I get why you, you skip

00:21:34.880 maybe the horse and his boy, but you know, there, you have to start picking it up somewhere.

00:21:39.040 Right.

00:21:39.680 Well, you know, Distribius has talked about this, that basically, uh, who was the, who was

00:21:44.940 the pervert guy in Hollywood?

00:21:46.340 Uh, Weinstein, Weinstein, basically before the Weinstein thing is, is liberal as Hollywood

00:21:56.860 was, uh, they did not let that affect the bottom line, uh, like which a lot of things

00:22:02.600 are, there are, there was a lot of people that are, that sort of, that made a lot of

00:22:06.200 money, entertaining conservatives that, uh, were not conservative themselves, especially

00:22:10.460 people that the career is kind of like that, like traveling musicians and stuff, uh, who,

00:22:15.640 you know, out of respect for their fans and for their own wallet, they would, uh, they

00:22:19.180 would not let that affect the bottom line after Weinstein, this is, this is, I'm just

00:22:23.180 purely repeating, uh, uh, Dave, the Distributes there.

00:22:26.220 He said after Weinstein, that's no longer the case.

00:22:29.600 And now, uh, they can't really, they can't really write these, they can't really write

00:22:35.300 plots and stuff that are either a Christian or not even just Christian, just sort of respect

00:22:40.160 basic truths, uh, about the universe.

00:22:42.460 Now, you know, the woman, the 120 pound woman has got a kick ass.

00:22:46.600 She can't get saved by the big burly guy or whatever.

00:22:49.600 And, um, I don't know, but this is one of the things that, uh, I think is fueling the,

00:22:54.220 the, the remake stuff, but they haven't actually taken it full on the way, especially in America.

00:23:00.760 But, uh, I don't know if you look at the resident evil four remake, it's like, it's almost

00:23:05.860 explicitly like, like you couldn't have that plot made today, but you know, they can say,

00:23:10.140 Hey, well, we're just trying to be faithful to, to this, this triple, to this, this classic

00:23:14.860 game.

00:23:15.240 We have to be faithful to the product.

00:23:16.880 So we have to remake it where a helpless, beautiful woman gets rescued by a big burly

00:23:21.360 blonde haired Aryan guy.

00:23:23.040 That's just, that's, we're just trying to be faithful to the product, which is good,

00:23:25.980 which is they have to, because you can't hire people.

00:23:28.560 You can't write stuff like that in today's world.

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00:24:03.060 It's a shame too, because there's some really good, you know, female heroes or heroines and

00:24:08.960 movies that are prior to like, let's say 2005 were some of my all-time favorite characters.

00:24:16.760 Yeah.

00:24:17.280 And I do, I do want to backtrack a little bit because I haven't watched the show.

00:24:20.520 I don't really watch TV and stuff, but people have said this Reacher show, which is really

00:24:25.740 hurting Disney because this Reacher show is made for like 300 grand an episode or something.

00:24:31.000 And it's just a big burly guy that goes around, beats up criminals.

00:24:34.660 And people are like, wow, I love this.

00:24:36.380 And so of course you do.

00:24:37.880 Of course you do.

00:24:38.700 Because this actually speaks to something, the human, and you have, you have Disney with

00:24:43.500 these comic book, what were superheroes?

00:24:46.160 What was the super, a superhero was a big burly guy who wouldn't beat up criminals.

00:24:50.520 And now, you know, they, they spent a $20 million episode on She-Hulk, who's like a civil

00:24:55.920 rights attorney.

00:24:56.820 And that just doesn't speak to people that people don't want that.

00:25:02.600 What's the, uh, I'm trying to remember desperately now.

00:25:05.300 What, what was the revenge, the crime revenge flicks that came out with the old guy?

00:25:10.280 Uh, not Dirty Harry, but the other one, uh, Oh yeah.

00:25:14.260 Yeah.

00:25:14.380 Death Wish.

00:25:15.040 Yeah.

00:25:15.660 Death Wish.

00:25:16.180 Yeah.

00:25:16.360 Like, are we looking, are we on the edge of a new Death Wish series?

00:25:19.700 You know, just sparking off.

00:25:21.500 Yeah.

00:25:22.080 I'm going to, I'm going to flip this.

00:25:24.340 So like large Hollywood productions are not making the money that they used to, but that

00:25:30.640 happened in like the 1970s as well, where you had all of these big flops from the sixties and

00:25:38.200 they started investing in smaller, lower production films.

00:25:42.580 Like, I don't know if you saw that Godzilla year zero movie that just came out is a pretty

00:25:47.640 low budget film, but it's a good movie.

00:25:49.920 I mean, some people are praising it as like the best movie of the year.

00:25:53.060 I thought it was okay.

00:25:54.500 Like it was decent.

00:25:55.400 Is it Japanese?

00:25:56.640 Yeah.

00:25:56.860 It's Japanese.

00:25:57.460 Like in Japan.

00:25:59.740 Well, yeah.

00:26:00.400 Resident evil four remake is like the perfect remake.

00:26:04.180 It's a video game, but it, you know, these are all people hired from the same stuff.

00:26:07.600 But in terms of the creative, the writing and stuff, and, but, but it's Japanese and they

00:26:12.560 have this barrier to the, you know, the far, the harder it is for you to speak English, the

00:26:18.480 farther you away from the woke virus.

00:26:20.780 It seems like, but the nice part about this is it's, if this is failing economically, right?

00:26:26.020 If the big budget movies are not going to make the money, the studios are eventually going

00:26:32.840 to take more risks or there's just going to be smaller studios that produce smaller movies

00:26:37.880 with, um, with directors and writers with a voice.

00:26:42.360 And I think that's going to be really healthy eventually for film in general.

00:26:47.680 Yeah.

00:26:47.820 Okay.

00:26:48.060 Fine.

00:26:48.380 The production won't be there, but do we really care about the production that much at the

00:26:52.740 end of the day?

00:26:53.100 Or do we care about the story more?

00:26:55.260 And so, you know, I think some good come, could come from this.

00:26:58.780 Well, I mean, the, the real problem is that production is, is now just, it's not useful

00:27:03.880 because it's all just garbage CGI.

00:27:05.860 It's like, Oh, they spent $300 million on production.

00:27:08.400 What does that mean?

00:27:08.840 I mean, it's going to look like an animated movie, right?

00:27:11.860 Like they're not doing anything.

00:27:13.160 Yeah.

00:27:13.280 I remember you go back and you watch something, uh, like demolition, man, and that's just

00:27:18.760 like a comedy and the, all the, you know, they blow up real buildings, like all that

00:27:24.300 you have all these practical effects.

00:27:25.780 The action looks way better in that movie than most action movies look today that are

00:27:31.860 trying to like play it straight and be a huge, big budget movie.

00:27:34.800 And it's like, it, it seems like an inflated budget is a problem because no one will, will

00:27:39.300 spend that money to actually do anything that's worth seeing on film anyway.

00:27:43.280 So in a lot of ways, if you could just make things more practical at a lower budget point,

00:27:48.000 that would be far more appealing.

00:27:50.120 They'd have to, I'm sorry.

00:27:53.740 I was just, I was just going to say, isn't this the lesson that everyone was supposed

00:27:57.280 to learn from the Godfather being as it was, uh, done on a budget of like $6 million or

00:28:01.960 something.

00:28:04.020 You had the big budget Marvel movies and up until end game, they were just making money

00:28:10.540 hand over fist, right?

00:28:12.940 Everything was, everything they touched was gold.

00:28:15.660 And that's finally like the, the age of the big budget superhero movies pretty much dead,

00:28:22.000 which is, I think a good thing.

00:28:24.060 It, it like, we're tired of that.

00:28:26.580 It's boring.

00:28:27.440 It's repetitive.

00:28:28.640 They told those stories in that medium and it's done.

00:28:32.300 And, you know, you're going to get an evolution of smaller productions, I think, because they're

00:28:37.920 just not going to be able to sustain.

00:28:40.040 I mean, look at Disney stock.

00:28:41.500 It's like slashed in half over the last year.

00:28:44.160 So like it will hit them eventually to the point where like, geez, we're going to have

00:28:49.560 to rethink our business model or somebody else is going to do it for them.

00:28:53.820 This is part of the cycle of the movie industry.

00:28:56.780 This happens from time to time.

00:28:58.840 You get the consolidation and you get these big budget films that become popular.

00:29:02.940 It was the sword and sandals films in like the fifties and sixties.

00:29:06.120 And then enough of them bomb.

00:29:07.500 The studio loses money.

00:29:08.560 They start going and.

00:29:09.820 Every certain thing in Westerns in Italy for, you know.

00:29:12.760 Yeah.

00:29:13.040 Or the next Robert Altman.

00:29:14.480 Yeah.

00:29:14.920 Yeah.

00:29:15.460 But you'll get your John Carpenters and you'll get your, your weird directors with, with weird

00:29:20.980 voices.

00:29:21.620 And then they'll be gobbled up by the studios and make crap.

00:29:24.780 But, you know, he's produced by these people.

00:29:28.540 I'm, I'm doubtful.

00:29:29.500 And I'm, I kind of want to tie.

00:29:31.680 I think this is a little bit, uh, kind of gets into Oran's longstanding debate with academic

00:29:37.060 agent.

00:29:38.060 Whereas a lot of people think, well, you know, of course they're going to, the money's going

00:29:41.460 to have them come around.

00:29:42.280 The money's going to have them come around and they'll start acting right.

00:29:44.620 So I don't know about that.

00:29:46.100 I mean, cause like, you know, when you make a movie, when you, you spend a lot of money

00:29:50.020 on something like the demolition, man, you know, first off you have, you have a culture

00:29:54.340 and you have, you have manly men, uh, box office stars that you, you spend a hundred

00:29:59.500 million cause you know, it'll do great.

00:30:03.100 Everybody's going to go and see the new slide flick, but, uh, you can't have that anymore.

00:30:07.280 You, because, uh, I mean, it's, uh, I don't know.

00:30:10.840 I don't know if things are going to just turn around like that, or if this is, uh, you know,

00:30:15.800 part of some kind of cycle that we've seen going back to the seventies or something.

00:30:19.440 I think things are actually different this time.

00:30:21.960 Well, worst case scenario, go back and watch John Milneas movies and, and, and old Indiana

00:30:27.200 Jones movies and just wrap yourself in that warm blanket and acknowledge that the film

00:30:33.100 industry is dead, which I'm fine with too.

00:30:35.260 We got enough for a lifetime.

00:30:37.500 Well, something interesting, if we're talking about the death of like the, uh, the superhero

00:30:41.140 movie genre, um, I I've noticed this change over time just because that's the, that was

00:30:46.520 the main thing that I grew up with.

00:30:47.820 That was the big thing from when I was little to the end of high school was the superhero

00:30:51.760 genre movies, both starting and then ending.

00:30:55.320 Um, when you go to the, like the earliest Marvel Superman movies, like, or superhero movies

00:31:00.820 like, uh, Iron Man, uh, it has a lot less flashy colors and you have a lot better writing,

00:31:06.920 um, because it, it reads like one giant critique of, uh, military manufacturers with superheroes

00:31:13.200 pasted over it.

00:31:14.540 Whereas when you get to the end of the genre, it's giant flashing neon colors, uh, with quite

00:31:20.420 frankly, terrible writing.

00:31:21.900 I, I, I don't know that the, uh, that the setting is actually dead.

00:31:25.060 I think that they've just run out of actual talent.

00:31:27.060 Oh, that's an excellent point.

00:31:29.540 That's, it kind of goes into real quick.

00:31:31.440 It kind of goes to the point where early star Wars is really just repackaged like samurai

00:31:35.900 and world war two stuff.

00:31:37.080 Whereas modern star Wars is repackaged old star Wars, which is not really something to

00:31:42.440 draw from.

00:31:43.240 Well, both of them suffer from becoming just wildly self-referential, right?

00:31:47.440 The entire, the entire interest in in game is just like, Ooh, look, that superhero team

00:31:52.880 showed up.

00:31:53.420 Now that one showed up.

00:31:54.700 Everybody's here and there's no plot.

00:31:56.040 It's not tied back to anything in the real world.

00:31:57.820 There's nothing to say about society because it's all caught up inside its own metatextual,

00:32:05.060 you know, it's, it's just, it's just bringing all this stuff in just for the sake of hitting

00:32:10.360 all the checklists and having all the fanboys excited.

00:32:12.820 Same thing with star Wars now, right?

00:32:14.540 Like they can't, the star Wars, star Wars was saying something about the hero's journey.

00:32:19.660 It was saying, you know, something about, you know, like you said, uh, you know, these

00:32:23.860 bop, the, these kind of samurai and, and other phenomenon, you know, bringing the space Western

00:32:28.600 and other things to the forefront is mixing the genres.

00:32:31.880 And now it's just, well, you know, we got to figure out how to summon star destroyers

00:32:37.040 from, you know, the sky using the force.

00:32:39.340 And yeah, both of them just kind of destroy themselves because they, they've only become

00:32:44.580 about the connections inside the movie, uh, series and has nothing to do with kind of

00:32:50.560 the original roots that made it interesting in the first place.

00:32:53.300 Yeah.

00:32:53.800 By the way, never that good.

00:32:55.280 I'm just going to say it like the first two films are good after that.

00:32:58.900 But it was never that good.

00:33:00.460 Well, with, uh, with what you were saying are on, I think that's also why you won't be

00:33:04.580 seeing some giant, uh, very expensive production of, uh, the Chronicles of Narnia, just because

00:33:10.480 they would have to learn how to actually write a story for the screen that goes through just

00:33:14.360 the basics of a hero's journey with some sort of, uh, eternal concept behind it all, which

00:33:20.080 they haven't been, they haven't been doing for like a decade now.

00:33:22.880 They're, they're atrophied.

00:33:25.080 Oh, sorry.

00:33:26.560 I think comic books never, I mean, comic books overperformed in the theaters because they

00:33:31.420 had like 70 years of all this writing and stuff to draw from, but it never really should

00:33:36.640 have succeeded.

00:33:37.240 The heroes, superheroes look cool, illustrate on a page.

00:33:42.600 Like you look at the various uniforms that like people like Wolverine and stuff had, especially

00:33:47.440 in the nineties, like Jim Lee drawing and stuff, these amazing artists.

00:33:51.020 Uh, and he, he looks, he looks are slurred in like when you put an actual, he's

00:33:56.540 human being in that suit.

00:33:58.400 That's not really the, the, that's not really the format for that.

00:34:01.660 They did okay because they had so many, they could just grow, go and snatch like all these

00:34:06.520 best stories out of like the 70, 80 years that, uh, that, uh, Marvel and DC were kicking.

00:34:11.780 But I mean, this never went like, that's not really what, what really, what really goes on,

00:34:17.480 on the, on a movie screen.

00:34:18.640 In my opinion.

00:34:20.520 Yeah.

00:34:20.920 I'm, I'm, I'm with you that the, uh, vast amount of content that was available to them

00:34:26.440 and the fact that they could just pull on all of that and immediately whip up scripts

00:34:30.460 was a big part of that phenomenon.

00:34:32.520 It was, it's a formula that worked because you just, especially when you started getting

00:34:37.440 all of these, uh, streaming services that came along and needed to fill vast amounts

00:34:42.200 of content, the fact that you could just throw this back catalog of, of movies that was being

00:34:47.420 churned out like a machine, uh, definitely, I think, uh, contributed to the success of

00:34:55.620 that.

00:34:56.080 But yeah, I think everyone knows at this point that that's one thing that I do want to take

00:35:01.040 from this.

00:35:01.840 I think the most important part made during all of this is that I am right.

00:35:05.440 An academic agent is wrong.

00:35:06.840 And I will, and I will receive a cigar.

00:35:09.220 I just want to, I thought it was important to take a moment to focus on the most important

00:35:14.260 point made there.

00:35:15.500 You know, some good can come from it.

00:35:17.520 Like the first season of the Mandalorian was good and you know, then they got there, then

00:35:22.320 people noticed and it turned horrible, but like the first season was good and it told

00:35:26.560 a nice little story.

00:35:28.260 Um, but I, I think in the end, there's always going to be some sort of voiced finding it is

00:35:34.100 going to be difficult, more difficult because of just how much media is out there, but you

00:35:39.820 know, Netflix and all these other companies approve so much crap anyway, there's bound

00:35:44.980 to be one or two things that are decent and then they'll ruin them.

00:35:48.160 But you know, it'd be nice to have that one movie or that one season.

00:35:51.080 That'll be good.

00:35:52.060 Well, like the Mandalorian was good again, because it was the least self-referential season.

00:35:57.380 It was the one that actually knew is actually different by the time they get to the next couple

00:36:02.220 seasons.

00:36:02.520 All they're doing is bringing in old characters, connecting it to, you know, to a previous

00:36:08.420 lore and the more it gets drowned in all of the backstory.

00:36:12.020 I've never seen the show, but I've seen like a behind the scenes thing.

00:36:15.940 Like the second season, they just bring in like literally Luke Skywalker.

00:36:19.720 They use a CGI and deep fake.

00:36:22.020 I want to say about that show though, whoever the writer was that figured out how to get

00:36:26.880 women to pay attention to Star Wars by adding an alien baby, it should, he should be giving

00:36:33.580 like the biggest bonus in Marvel history.

00:36:36.800 There's a lot of toys sold to that little baby Yoda.

00:36:40.440 Yeah.

00:36:40.680 I mean, it's like women didn't, didn't care about Star Wars until they added the space

00:36:45.060 baby.

00:36:45.840 That was brilliant.

00:36:46.280 That was brilliant marketing.

00:36:47.640 You got to hand it to them.

00:36:49.760 All right, guys.

00:36:50.660 So, uh, we could, we could probably go on for on movies for quite a while, but I wanted

00:36:55.160 to hit some other roundup questions.

00:36:57.400 So I wanted to get to what you think was the biggest event or two of the year, and it can

00:37:03.280 be personal, it could be, uh, you know, uh, it could be related to politics.

00:37:08.500 Like, what do you, what was the thing that, that you're going to remember 2023 for?

00:37:14.060 Like, what do you think is going to be a most important thing?

00:37:16.760 Uh, turnip.

00:37:18.960 Ooh.

00:37:19.520 Okay.

00:37:19.880 Uh, so if I can divide, uh, just why I consider them important real quick, the big political

00:37:24.860 ones, I think has to be the Trump mugshot and the melting down of the, uh, Robert E. Lee

00:37:28.900 statue, just because that provided the most, uh, striking visualizations of things happening

00:37:34.800 right now.

00:37:35.500 Uh, they're very easy to remember.

00:37:37.440 Uh, you look at them and you immediately feel that, uh, something is happening.

00:37:41.740 Uh, and depending on, uh, what kind of person you are, you can extrapolate different things

00:37:46.140 from that.

00:37:46.620 But I, I think those are by far the most memorable.

00:37:48.740 Um, as, as for personal, uh, this, uh, in 2023, I presented my first paper at a research

00:37:57.720 conference.

00:37:58.120 That was, uh, that was pretty nice.

00:37:59.880 And then we, uh, a group of friends and I coauthored another paper that we're presenting

00:38:03.620 next year.

00:38:04.140 That's the first time I've done anything like that.

00:38:06.780 So, uh, uh, good year personally, but politically things are definitely getting worse.

00:38:13.280 What about you, Astrakhan?

00:38:15.580 Um, I think it's the, you know, me, I, I, I tend to, to focus on, you know, geopolitics.

00:38:23.260 And I think the most interesting thing about this year is sort of the, um, the, the, the

00:38:31.140 whiplash between, I know that we're going back a little bit from like leaving Afghanistan

00:38:35.940 to the complete focus on the Ukraine to everyone forgetting about the Ukraine.

00:38:42.180 And now we're talking about the Israeli Palestinian conflict and it's just, oh, how the head turns

00:38:48.140 so quickly these days.

00:38:49.500 Um, and it's, um, I, yeah, that, that would be my biggest takeaway from this year is just

00:38:57.140 how quickly political focus or, or, or political zeitgeist shifts.

00:39:04.100 And it seems like people only have the attention span for one international issue at a time.

00:39:11.720 Yeah.

00:39:12.340 The, uh, the, the current thing cycle definitely seems to be accelerating, which it's interesting.

00:39:18.340 Um, it's very fast, but it's also diminishing returns.

00:39:21.940 I feel like, uh, that they're, they're breaking that by pushing the button too hard.

00:39:26.360 You know what I mean?

00:39:27.320 Uh, we, that's kind of what I'm getting at.

00:39:29.260 It's like rotating, like we're, we're, we're shifting, we're focusing attention more quickly

00:39:34.880 than we used to in the past.

00:39:36.460 And in every situation, the focus of attention is screaming at 11.

00:39:41.020 So you have everything is the biggest, the biggest disaster, the biggest, the most important

00:39:46.960 thing ever, um, regardless of what it actually is.

00:39:50.960 And you have to make public declarations about it.

00:39:53.780 It's not enough to just know something's happened in Ukraine or know something's happening in

00:39:57.900 Israel, but you need to, you know, make, make a, you have to declare for one side, you

00:40:02.660 have to show your support.

00:40:03.720 You have to get on social media and your, the absence of your, uh, kind of comment is

00:40:09.780 the most, uh, is, is the most, uh, you know, damning thing.

00:40:13.440 And so yeah, we can throw COVID into that as well.

00:40:16.000 So like COVID, you know, Afghanistan to COVID to Ukraine to Israel, Palestine, like, oh,

00:40:22.980 now this is it.

00:40:23.800 Now this is it.

00:40:24.660 Now this is the focus.

00:40:25.920 And it's just, yeah, it's, it's focus whiplash or whatever you want to call it.

00:40:32.280 Bog, what about you?

00:40:33.400 What stands out for you?

00:40:35.140 Oh, the biggest story is easily has to be the conservative booby calendar firestorm.

00:40:39.520 I was wondering if that was going to come up.

00:40:45.140 This story is going to go on for years and you're, I don't know.

00:40:47.740 So I just found out about that, like a few hours ago.

00:40:50.500 And I was like, this is the perfect story.

00:40:53.040 Like I could, there's nothing you can say about that.

00:40:56.060 It's not, that it's not basically funny.

00:40:57.960 You can take either.

00:40:59.060 I could feel comfortable taking either side in the position and arguing vehemently.

00:41:04.120 It's so much fun.

00:41:05.140 But no, anyways, the plus, I'm going to be that guy.

00:41:09.140 Can you explain that one to me?

00:41:10.420 Cause I don't, I'm not.

00:41:11.800 Yeah.

00:41:12.200 What?

00:41:12.640 You're not addicted to Twitter.

00:41:13.960 You're not, you're not just sitting there.

00:41:16.600 Some of us are.

00:41:18.500 I want to be in on the joke.

00:41:19.980 Yeah.

00:41:20.120 Some of us are addicted to Twitter and we haven't yet heard about this.

00:41:24.460 You're not hip to the conservative booby booby calendar.

00:41:27.500 Go ahead and tell them what's the controversy.

00:41:30.220 Oh, well, I'd love to.

00:41:31.940 I'd absolutely love to.

00:41:33.120 So, um, uh, there's like, uh, you know, these sort of, uh, people not far removed from what

00:41:40.740 we do, except they have a different genitals, uh, the women, the women that do our kind

00:41:45.960 of stuff.

00:41:46.400 Right.

00:41:46.700 So, uh, it is people like, I, I don't only know a couple of them.

00:41:50.480 I know Riley gains and, um, I don't know.

00:41:53.380 There's a couple of these other women that basically good looking women that do conservative

00:41:57.760 commentary.

00:41:58.340 Uh, they all, um, uh, they, they did a, a, a, uh, you know, a, a boudoir calendar.

00:42:05.580 Yeah.

00:42:05.900 Cheesecake calendar.

00:42:06.980 Yeah.

00:42:07.220 Yeah.

00:42:07.400 Oh, okay.

00:42:08.840 All right.

00:42:09.260 I gotcha.

00:42:09.980 And so of course this, this causes all this controversy.

00:42:13.040 There was, there was, uh, I mean, everybody is on fire.

00:42:16.320 So you have like, you have like the, the NRX people are like saying that it's the problem

00:42:21.560 with it is kitsch.

00:42:22.520 You had like the, the more, the more feminist, I don't know what you call them.

00:42:27.520 Like, um, uh, I don't know.

00:42:31.100 I don't know.

00:42:31.580 There there's, there's some, some conservative women feel like this is wrong because, uh,

00:42:37.020 the, the calendar was marketed towards, uh, married men who shouldn't be looking at pictures

00:42:42.860 of Riley gains in a bikini.

00:42:44.660 Um, you, you have, uh, I mean, there's just all, you have all kinds of everybody.

00:42:50.780 I mean, so everybody's got something to say, but I'm just, I'm just learning about it and

00:42:55.540 everything, everybody's saying is wonderful.

00:42:57.600 It's all wonderful.

00:42:58.900 I agree with every take on this.

00:43:00.780 What I love about Twitter is you have people on there who are like, they're ladies with a

00:43:06.540 graduate degree in, in like, you know, women, something, but they have the sexual politics

00:43:11.480 of my Pentecostal aunt, it's like, how dare you look at pictures of women in bikinis?

00:43:17.600 You're a married man.

00:43:18.860 You're a conservative dad.

00:43:20.340 This is not your place.

00:43:21.260 Like, have you, have they known a man in their life, a dad?

00:43:26.720 Yeah.

00:43:27.220 You're, you're talking to these women that who got kicked out of the liberal movement

00:43:30.940 five minutes ago because of, uh, uh, transgender people.

00:43:34.740 And so they're trying to make themselves comfortable on the right wing now.

00:43:38.280 Um, but, uh, yeah, anyways, uh, I was trying to fill up time there because honestly, everything

00:43:44.560 Austin Ostracon said was, was what I was going to say is the wars.

00:43:48.400 I still admit that, buddy.

00:43:53.020 Hey, he did the way better point.

00:43:54.920 So I'm going to talk about boobies.

00:43:56.540 Yeah, it's a move.

00:43:58.540 I mean, so you, you have the, the wars, whatever.

00:44:01.000 Uh, the, the only other thing I would add is legitimate cracks starting to show in, in

00:44:06.880 the lib, uh, uh, coalition.

00:44:08.780 I don't just mean stories that you read.

00:44:10.820 I mean, like I've talked to people that are, that are on, they're on the left or just go

00:44:16.160 on Twitter and just like tweet something controversial that left wing people should normally light you

00:44:21.760 up about.

00:44:22.260 You're not going to hear much because they are fighting each other right now.

00:44:25.880 They, their war is, is, is raging right now.

00:44:29.360 They don't care though, but none of them are really watching what we're doing right

00:44:32.460 now because they, they got the knives out and people are getting fired.

00:44:37.400 It's, uh, they're having, they're, they're, they're going to war right now.

00:44:41.620 Yeah.

00:44:42.100 I've, I've, I did a show on this and I've talked about it a couple of times.

00:44:45.600 I am fascinated about the left wing civil war that has kind of broken out specifically

00:44:51.800 over, uh, the Israeli Palestinian split inside the left.

00:44:56.200 It's a, it's a fascinating moment and I'm, I, it has a lot of implications for whether

00:45:01.820 the will can be put away.

00:45:02.820 So I'm very interested in about it in that context, but I think it just, it's going to

00:45:07.840 make a very interesting impact on the way the left looks going forward.

00:45:11.060 Yeah.

00:45:11.300 And the thing about it is like, don't trust your instincts on this because like in, in

00:45:16.320 real wars and stuff, it's always awesome when your enemy is opens up a new front or whatever,

00:45:22.040 right.

00:45:22.320 That never, they're, that they're just going to deplete more material and stuff like that.

00:45:26.400 But it's not, that's not how politics work.

00:45:28.240 This happened in the late sixties.

00:45:30.120 We see a lot of things happen right now that have also happened in the late sixties.

00:45:33.800 And what happened to left, the left just got way more left fast.

00:45:39.260 Like you have like, uh, the, the, the original awakening is like what 1972 or what are you?

00:45:44.680 Well, you can say 68 through 72 is like the original, uh, uh, you know, live awokening

00:45:50.240 and, um, you know, like they, they got woke in 68.

00:45:53.800 And then when the gas crisis hit in 72, it was like time to go.

00:45:57.680 And they had, they had both, even though Richard Nixon was president, they had, they had the

00:46:01.760 house and the Senate and a, um, whatever the, the, the thing where the unvetoable, uh, control,

00:46:07.920 whatever.

00:46:08.160 And they just went into overdrive all, a lot of things that suck about modern world, whatever

00:46:13.580 was all bills.

00:46:14.760 They passed in that short amount of time.

00:46:16.120 So they had a huge civil war.

00:46:17.900 It was, it was more nasty than this.

00:46:20.140 And it was, it was started by the, it was, they, they, by like the six state war and stuff

00:46:24.340 like that.

00:46:24.660 It's, it was all very similar.

00:46:26.000 And so I just want to say it's highly dangerous.

00:46:28.240 It doesn't just mean good things when the left goes to war with each other.

00:46:31.920 Yeah.

00:46:32.340 It's really interesting.

00:46:33.220 So many people who have just never paid attention to politics.

00:46:37.320 And I think a lot, or, okay, I, I guess I should say it this way because so much of

00:46:42.000 the right is made up of, uh, liberal cast offs from five years ago.

00:46:46.640 Like you're saying, uh, I think it was Bob, Bob America, uh, because that's the makes up

00:46:52.380 such a large part of, especially kind of the, the visible, uh, comment commentariat on the

00:46:57.600 right.

00:46:58.060 Uh, people just have like the, the memories of gnats when it comes to what the left has actually

00:47:03.060 been doing.

00:47:03.640 And that's one of the things I liked about Chris Rufo's book this year actually, uh, is

00:47:08.520 he was pretty explicit about how every single thing that you think is just insane about the

00:47:14.480 left, all of the rhetoric, all the like anti white hate, all of the terrorism, like all

00:47:19.000 of the, you know, the super radical family destruction, uh, the, you know, the, uh, you know,

00:47:24.920 the, the, the, the, the, the kitty diddling stuff, like all that stuff is part of the left in the

00:47:29.320 sixties.

00:47:29.840 It's all there ground zero in the middle of the revolution.

00:47:32.660 None of it's new.

00:47:33.680 None of these are recent developments.

00:47:35.380 All of this is stuff that was baked in from the very beginning.

00:47:37.880 Uh, this is not something, Oh, the left went crazy 10 years ago.

00:47:41.340 Like, Nope, this was part of the progressive movement the entire time.

00:47:43.820 And you guys were just a part of it.

00:47:45.400 So you didn't pay any attention to the fact that this was like always something that was

00:47:49.240 boiling up and over.

00:47:50.520 Uh, and so, uh, I do think, I do think you're right, Bog, that the, this intensifying of

00:47:55.800 the, uh, kind of purity spiral does not just mean, uh, you know, the right wins because

00:48:01.080 the left cracks up and falls apart.

00:48:02.780 In many ways, the fact that the left keeps accelerating like this is the reason that they

00:48:07.480 continue to win.

00:48:08.600 Yeah.

00:48:09.040 We talk about patrons on our show a lot.

00:48:10.920 It's just this sort of political model.

00:48:12.680 It's, it's not, it's not unknown or anything.

00:48:14.780 And part of the, part of this model of politics is that it's bad to have a coalition that's

00:48:20.600 too large.

00:48:21.280 Uh, and it, it, it makes them more powerful to cast off.

00:48:27.220 If you can still win elections and still pay your top guys and stuff, uh, it's better to

00:48:33.760 cast off people that, uh, that, uh, that it's better, it's better to have less, less people.

00:48:40.680 Literally, it's better to have less people as long as there's just the people you need.

00:48:44.800 And, uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's super dangerous for, for us.

00:48:48.640 Yeah.

00:48:49.700 Uh, what there is like one chick that was doing all that terrorism.

00:48:53.900 Like most of those people that got did terrorism stuff in the sixties, they all got professorships

00:48:59.180 and stuff like, uh, the, the, the weather underground professors.

00:49:02.360 Yes.

00:49:03.020 Yeah.

00:49:04.060 And, um, they got, they got a old Barry, Barry Obama elected, but, uh, there was one chick

00:49:10.640 that like kept doing it like too long.

00:49:12.820 Like even after they had sewed up power and stuff, she, uh, or, you know, it is the kind

00:49:18.340 of thing where she probably just didn't know people and stuff.

00:49:20.840 She just got excited about politics and she hijacked a plane for, uh, for Palestine or whatever.

00:49:26.100 And, um, I think she's still on the FBI's most wanted list.

00:49:29.980 She's been on there for like 50 years or something pretty, pretty crazy.

00:49:32.940 All right.

00:49:33.460 We're going to do our best.

00:49:34.660 I'm going to spearhead this, but, but we're going to do our best guys.

00:49:37.080 This is the year we're going to explain to the right that the broadest possible coalition

00:49:41.360 is not actually how democracy works.

00:49:43.620 Like this is going to be the year.

00:49:45.860 I'm just going to keep saying it over and over again.

00:49:49.160 Uh, people ask, why do you repeat yourself so much on Twitter?

00:49:52.280 It's because we still haven't learned any of these lessons.

00:49:55.100 Uh, but this is going to be the year where we explain to people that it's not how many

00:49:59.740 people are backing your movement, but who is backing your movement.

00:50:04.700 Uh, so, so we will continue to force that.

00:50:06.960 Uh, Mark, what do you think?

00:50:08.640 I know it sucks to go last because people have taken, uh, all the obvious stuff, but what

00:50:12.920 do you think is, is kind of the biggest, uh, uh, event out of, uh, 2023?

00:50:17.460 All right, I'm going to give you two fake answers first and then the real answer because

00:50:21.280 the real answer is depressing.

00:50:23.680 Uh, the, the first fake answer is AI because whatever it's either going to put everybody

00:50:29.200 out of work or it's going to be nothing.

00:50:31.460 The, the second fake answer is them trying to throw Trump in prison because like this

00:50:37.340 was a huge escalation.

00:50:38.060 It was beyond anything that pretty much anybody's done will be nice and say since the 19th century,

00:50:45.520 but really it's nobody's ever tried to do this in American politics.

00:50:49.140 And again, either they'll succeed and this will be like the beginning of the era of bad

00:50:55.160 feelings or whatever.

00:50:56.140 And we're just, it's the darkest timeline as the libs would say, or they're going to

00:51:01.020 fail and it's going to lead to insane political, probably violence, to be honest.

00:51:08.120 So there's that, but both of those answers are fake.

00:51:11.260 The real answer, and it's kind of boring and very depressing is that just them letting in

00:51:18.500 everybody who wants to come into the country from, from Mexico.

00:51:22.780 Like, I know that's not a new thing, but like the, the, it's pretty unprecedented the

00:51:27.740 way they opened up the tap and they're fundamentally changing the fabric of America.

00:51:33.080 Like right.

00:51:33.820 As we speak, that's pretty much the only thing that Biden has successfully done.

00:51:38.220 And we're going to be feeling it's to do.

00:51:40.320 It's all that he has to do.

00:51:41.960 And it's depressing because like, this is a tricky subject because you can.

00:51:48.780 Force.

00:51:49.900 Well, Americans into a position where you have to be the bad guy to respond to this.

00:51:55.320 Like all he has to do is just let him, let them in.

00:51:57.740 And then you have to deal with them one way or the other.

00:52:00.720 And no matter what you do, you know, you're going to have people crying at you.

00:52:05.400 You're going to be the bad guy.

00:52:06.620 You're the one who acted.

00:52:07.620 It's like, we'll use the Christmas analogy.

00:52:11.240 You have like one person at Christmas dinner, who's disruptive and won't shut up about politics

00:52:17.120 or whatever.

00:52:17.920 But you know, mom gets mad at you for telling cousin Jimmy to shut up because this is Christmas.

00:52:23.660 You're not supposed to be doing that stuff.

00:52:25.080 This is how this works.

00:52:26.120 So the boring, depressing answer is the insane number of illegals in the country in 2023.

00:52:33.840 I think I feel like you're right.

00:52:36.860 And that's that's kind of the thing is, yeah, you know, you obviously the the actions taken

00:52:43.000 against Trump are much flashier.

00:52:44.960 That kind of stuff is going to.

00:52:46.660 I think you're you're right, unfortunately, is going to create some pretty serious pressure

00:52:50.980 points in the American electorate this year.

00:52:53.720 I think you're going to see a constitutional crisis if they if they continue to try to remove

00:52:58.640 him from the ballot, prison him and all this stuff like there's a real danger there, of

00:53:03.100 course.

00:53:03.860 But I think the kind of the thing that doesn't get enough focus because it's just slow and

00:53:09.940 grinding and methodical and no one is willing to deal with the fallout, like you said,

00:53:15.640 is this constant flow.

00:53:17.740 You know, they just had what did I just had on Twitter a second ago?

00:53:21.560 Another 15000 people, another caravan coming up.

00:53:25.240 And I just said, you know, what do legitimate elections even look like after the Biden administration?

00:53:31.240 How what?

00:53:32.360 10 million illegals, probably at least just during during the four years of the Biden administration.

00:53:39.220 That's that's multiple states worth of people brought in.

00:53:43.140 You're just removing at least one red state from the electorate, bringing these people

00:53:48.380 in.

00:53:48.700 And that's not even accounting for the fact that there's going to be generations of

00:53:53.240 Democratic voters.

00:53:54.100 This is not just a now thing, obviously, because a lot of these people will have a hard time

00:53:59.100 legitimately voting for the next few years.

00:54:01.140 Not that that's stopped Democrats in the past.

00:54:03.340 But, you know, that there's going to be generations of people who will, you know, have citizenship

00:54:08.860 because their parents came here illegally.

00:54:11.680 They're more likely to vote blue.

00:54:14.900 Look, guys, I know many Hispanics can vote conservative.

00:54:18.300 I'm happy that those that do do so.

00:54:20.540 But the reality is that if you're one of these people who's just like, well, they're Catholic

00:54:25.440 or something, so they're going to vote conservative.

00:54:26.980 Like, sorry, that's not actually how voting patterns work.

00:54:30.280 And the reason the Democrats are so cool, you know, so excited about changing the contents

00:54:37.640 of America, changing the demographics of America is they know that over time, this actually

00:54:42.520 shifts things for them in perpetuity.

00:54:44.720 What what does a legitimate election even look like down the road?

00:54:48.320 I mean, this is a real problem that conservatives need to start thinking about or people on the

00:54:52.300 right need to start thinking about, you know, once the entire electorate has shifted permanently

00:54:58.160 in the direction of the Democrats, and there is just no argument you're going to make because

00:55:03.240 I hate to break this to people, elections aren't about arguments, they're about identity.

00:55:08.460 When when people realize this, they're going to have to take a long, hard look about what

00:55:13.540 this actually looks like for the decision making mechanism of the United States, because if it

00:55:18.660 continues to just be mass, you know, a mass franchise, well, the Democrats are just going

00:55:25.140 to win, period, because they've rigged the game, they did it on purpose, and the damage

00:55:29.500 is done.

00:55:30.700 Let's not forget how good they are at this now, like all of these people, first off,

00:55:35.740 I mean, you know, we've seen that the people at the border, it ain't even just people from

00:55:41.240 Latin and South America anymore, they've put the call out.

00:55:43.720 Yeah.

00:55:44.640 And what's going to happen, the Democrats are so good now, as soon as now they got, what

00:55:50.120 are they, the last interview, they had a guy with Morocco or something, there's going to

00:55:54.060 be whatever, whatever towns, whatever these, these towns left going down the line of population

00:56:00.660 numbers that aren't controlled yet by Democrats, they will cut, they will, you know, cut, cut

00:56:06.100 them out, a ethnic, a, a, a, a sort of, a, a, a ethnic, I don't forget what the word, sanctuary,

00:56:13.620 whatever, whatever there, enclave, yeah, and then you'll have, what, 30% of like Jacksonville,

00:56:18.900 whatever, be people from, from, uh, uh, you know, Kukumanistan, and the, and you'll have,

00:56:25.500 the other thing is, of course, just like you said, uh, people in America are used to this

00:56:30.520 thing, like, oh, well, it's the economy, or, you know, I watched, I watched, uh, beat the

00:56:35.760 press on Sunday, and I really liked what, what, what Bob Jensen had to say, uh, that's

00:56:41.340 not how, that's how you vote, sure, nobody else in the world votes like that, you can be

00:56:46.360 the most conservative person in the world, but they have a unit, and they have, like, a

00:56:50.880 representative, and he talks to the Democrat Party, and they have a dinner, and people know

00:56:57.020 people, it's a patriots network, and, like, your, the, your personal politics, or how

00:57:02.800 you feel about, like, uh, you know, guns, or religion, or something, that has nothing

00:57:06.940 to do, they don't, government doesn't mean the same thing to these people, and it doesn't

00:57:12.000 mean the same thing to Democrats, Democrats actually understand, uh, how a government actually

00:57:16.880 functions, if you want to, go ahead, right, well, I was just quickly going to say, if you

00:57:22.620 want to get to the bottom of the issue here, you can go back to a, uh, certain French

00:57:26.400 reactionary writer from the, uh, uh, end of the last century, uh, who was writing against

00:57:31.880 the New Left at the time, specifically the, uh, reverse colonialism that was being pushed

00:57:35.720 by them, uh, where they were talking about repopulating France with Algerians and Indians

00:57:41.260 and the entirety of the Third World, just to, uh, uh, destroy the concept of a France or Western

00:57:45.900 civilization, um, and he put the whole thing down to, if the West is going to actually recover

00:57:51.520 from anything that they do, it's going to be a question of will, uh, and, and the novel

00:57:55.460 that he wrote, uh, the, the country collapses because the president of France refuses to,

00:58:00.180 uh, uh, muster the will to actually, uh, get rid of everyone that's coming into the country,

00:58:05.300 uh, not, not necessarily violently like some sort of ethnic purge or whatever, but just to

00:58:09.740 refuse to allow them, refuse to allow them in to begin with, uh, and this is a, it's ultimately

00:58:15.380 a question of will, as that man posits in the book, um, if you want to, uh, uh, reverse

00:58:21.840 the changes that are happening right now, which it is doable, other countries have, uh, done

00:58:25.780 this before and without much bloodshed at all, um, it's, it's just a question of will,

00:58:30.280 uh, does, does the, uh, remaining vestiges of this old America have the will to, uh, actually

00:58:36.000 do what needs to be done?

00:58:38.060 I mean, no.

00:58:39.640 Well, that is why they are currently dying off, like, it's, the will is gone.

00:58:44.620 Uh, what's, what do you see as the end state of America?

00:58:52.640 So, like, what, let's, let's go, let's say all of this comes to pass and the, the, the,

00:59:03.320 the, the, not geopolitical, sorry, the, the, the, the, the people of America are inherently

00:59:11.540 changed.

00:59:12.140 What is the new future at that point?

00:59:14.620 And I'm going to talk about like, what's, what's the realistic trajectory of America?

00:59:19.220 Cause we've talked about this many times more on how we are in late Roman empire, right?

00:59:24.900 We we've made that analogy many, many times, but we've also argued that due to the way modern

00:59:32.600 technology works and the way modern politics works, it's a much faster pace than we would

00:59:39.680 have seen, you know, like in the fall of the Western Roman empire.

00:59:44.580 And, but out of that came the Eastern Roman empire and they, they sort of splintered off

00:59:50.740 and did their own thing and, you know, morphed into, uh, you know, a functional empire, a functional,

00:59:58.180 you know, collection.

00:59:59.960 I mean, a great civilization that exists.

01:00:01.680 Right.

01:00:02.420 So what's, what's the new normal, what's the new America become is, is, I know that's like

01:00:08.820 the million, the, the multi-billion dollar question, but like, where does it all lead

01:00:14.300 in the end?

01:00:14.840 And what do you see as the new end goal?

01:00:16.780 Like for forget, let's, let's not talk about what we want.

01:00:20.000 Let's talk about what's realistically going to happen for a second.

01:00:23.360 I did just want to say, well, I mean, the Eastern Roman empire, that was, that was a, that

01:00:28.300 was a mitzvah, but the Western, it was bad.

01:00:31.640 It was really bad.

01:00:32.600 I mean, uh, like, like, you know, for hundreds of years, people's femurs get like four or five

01:00:39.200 inch shorter, like, you know, in graves and stuff.

01:00:41.460 It was, it was really rough.

01:00:44.140 Yeah, for sure.

01:00:44.960 I mean, so there, there's the question is like, where are we?

01:00:48.600 Right.

01:00:48.820 Are we, is this the end of the Roman Republic?

01:00:51.360 Is this the end of the Roman empire?

01:00:53.400 You know, like, because the, because those endings have very different outcomes.

01:00:57.620 I mean, I think this is the empire, right?

01:00:59.140 We, we are for all practical purposes.

01:01:01.860 We are an empire.

01:01:03.420 So we have military outposts in other nations, you know, and we, we shape a global politics more

01:01:13.080 than any other nation.

01:01:14.200 Well, so was the Roman Republic.

01:01:16.200 They might've called it a Republic, but even in the latter years, the Republic was still

01:01:22.520 an empire.

01:01:23.140 It was just an empire run by a different.

01:01:25.020 It was politics.

01:01:27.060 What we call the rise of the Roman empire was a reorganization of that empire.

01:01:31.120 That's what happened.

01:01:31.740 And this is like, this is one of, if you, in life cycles of empires, this is one of those

01:01:37.340 situations where sometimes you will recover and reorganizing and continue on for generations.

01:01:45.360 And in their case, you know, depending on how you want to look at it from the, from the time

01:01:50.700 of Augustus until Romulus Augustus, or from the time of Augustus until the fall of Constantinople.

01:01:58.180 It was a pretty good, it was a pretty good run.

01:02:00.120 I don't, I think I have a problem with the framing of this, which is that like, here's

01:02:06.860 the thing we were talking earlier about.

01:02:08.200 It doesn't, it's not about how many people support you.

01:02:11.180 It's about who supports you.

01:02:12.580 And, uh, there are the in-state, a fractured nation of, of smaller nations, or is that not

01:02:22.040 realistic?

01:02:23.160 And, you know, by hook or by crook, the United States will stay together physically as a nation,

01:02:29.240 even if it changes demographically.

01:02:31.020 Well, let's, let's go ahead and let Merrick finish that thought and then maybe we'll work

01:02:34.660 our way around.

01:02:35.560 So we're not just talking over each other.

01:02:37.000 So the, the idea that doesn't, I wouldn't even say it's, it's not who supports you.

01:02:43.880 It's what the people who support you are willing to do.

01:02:47.920 And the truth is it doesn't take a large portion of society to drive this.

01:02:54.380 It takes, you'd be surprised at how few people can, can make big changes if they do have the

01:03:01.440 political will, like Mr. Turnip Seed was, was saying.

01:03:05.020 So the question is, is not, what are we going to do collectively?

01:03:10.580 It's what are, are people going to be willing to do and how many of them and how successful

01:03:18.300 will it be as for like, what's going to happen to the, to the country?

01:03:23.480 I mean, it's, it's bad right now.

01:03:25.560 What 15% of the population is foreign born, but that's not, this isn't something we have

01:03:30.860 no experience with.

01:03:32.340 We're not, we're not like a Sentinel Island or whatever, right?

01:03:37.200 We're not, we're not people who, who can't D who haven't dealt with this problem in the

01:03:41.000 past.

01:03:41.520 We dealt with it in the 19th century and we, and we pulled out of that just by simply

01:03:46.480 saying, okay, nobody else comes across for a while.

01:03:49.700 Is that going to happen again?

01:03:51.060 Probably not, but once the party's over here and we can all probably agree looking forward,

01:03:58.700 it seems like the part, if the party's not over yet, it's starting to wrap up the, all

01:04:03.380 the, all the free stuff in free anymore.

01:04:07.640 When you go to the grocery store, you know that more importantly, normies know that now

01:04:12.320 they, they realize that the real cost of all this are all those people, all the million,

01:04:18.560 you know, the 2 million people or whatever that came across the border this year, are

01:04:22.400 they going to stick around if they're not getting free stuff?

01:04:25.100 I don't think so.

01:04:26.320 I think a lot of them are just going to go back home once things get bad.

01:04:29.760 Once the S hits the fan beyond that, it doesn't really matter if the country stays together

01:04:37.080 or not.

01:04:37.500 Honestly, we, I mean, we're, we have, we have a built-in system for this already federalism.

01:04:42.180 We can, we can, we can handle this without a, a big violent war if, if we're willing to

01:04:50.160 do it.

01:04:52.340 There is something to consider here outside of just the short term as well is that at

01:04:57.880 the end of the Roman empire, at the very least, what, what happened to its core population?

01:05:01.700 They, they did not have the, the will, spiritual, social, political, whatever it may be to remain

01:05:08.640 distinct anymore.

01:05:09.360 They intermarried with the Germans that invaded the Lombards and then they became the modern

01:05:13.040 Italian population, which is a mixture of Latin and Germanic.

01:05:18.360 It might be worth speculating what might happen to the core population of the United States

01:05:23.120 and what consequences will that have?

01:05:26.220 The Latins were in a, well, the Latins were in a good position in that the invading peoples

01:05:31.640 that, that ended up settling in the Italian peninsula weren't actually that bad.

01:05:35.560 They could sustain very nice civilizations.

01:05:39.320 What about the peoples coming across the border now?

01:05:41.600 What, what do their civilizations look like?

01:05:43.480 What are they going towards?

01:05:45.240 What, what are they developing?

01:05:49.200 I mean, the people who invaded the Roman empire were better.

01:05:52.280 I mean, we can, we can all agree to that, right?

01:05:55.040 German, German is a step up from, from Latin.

01:05:59.460 It is funny.

01:06:00.740 I don't want to go further with that, but it is funny to imagine, like, imagine if the

01:06:04.500 border was all lined up with, you know, six foot four blonde hair, blue eyed people.

01:06:09.960 Because that's what.

01:06:11.080 You're yearning to be free.

01:06:12.420 Yeah.

01:06:12.520 Uh, well, I mean, as long, as long as the United States, uh, well, as long as we can

01:06:18.060 keep Texas air, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South

01:06:22.100 Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, we'll be all right.

01:06:24.720 Maybe we can just do that.

01:06:26.580 Getting the band back together?

01:06:28.080 Yeah, no, I, I, I have nothing.

01:06:30.200 I mean, so this, this, this topic is, um, uh, I don't know.

01:06:33.560 I know what the minefield guys, it's okay.

01:06:35.480 If you don't want to, we can move on.

01:06:37.200 No, I'm not objecting to it.

01:06:38.980 It's, it's, it's the most fun kind of topic, but, uh, it'll, it'll be

01:06:42.500 super chaotic because all the things we've sort of done in the, like, anytime you sort

01:06:47.960 of shore up systems versus, uh, you know, breaking up, like the more you tie it together, it just

01:06:54.040 means it's, it's going to, uh, you know, the, the, the way it breaks up will be even

01:06:57.840 more, uh, even more super, uh, super chaotic.

01:07:01.420 I mean, you know, I can say with certainty that when, when, when we enter sort of, uh, periods

01:07:09.620 where we're not sure who's in charge.

01:07:11.440 And I think that that would be the key that's, that's like, that is the, the AD zero of the

01:07:17.260 next, uh, the next part is that will be spurred on by energy prices, which are also basically

01:07:24.940 tied in with food prices.

01:07:26.340 It'll be when people are hungry or they, or they don't have energy, which is very hard

01:07:31.460 to see at this point, despite, I mean, there are huge things threatening these things.

01:07:36.860 And, you know, people like people, the hand stuff, talk about, you know, the, the two

01:07:39.940 largest, uh, uh, grain exporters in the entire world are currently at war with each other.

01:07:45.720 There are huge dangers there.

01:07:48.200 Um, uh, and of course all these people, uh, you know, if, if Africa is, has no food, these

01:07:55.900 people, you know, you could get a plane ticket for $75 and, and, and move to Minneapolis.

01:08:00.640 So, um, I don't know, I would just emphasize just how it'll be, it'll be super chaotic,

01:08:06.740 uh, and it'll be food and energy prices at start.

01:08:10.240 I mean, that's the classic examples.

01:08:12.660 We're always three meals away from revolution.

01:08:14.900 Right.

01:08:16.100 No, that, well, it wasn't in Minnesota.

01:08:17.800 I think that just announced that they're going to have to worry about rolling blackouts

01:08:20.920 now.

01:08:21.320 Uh, the fact that that's going to be part, you know, that, that, you know, I thought it

01:08:26.360 was wild when I would talk to, uh, Ernst, uh, conscious Caracal in South Africa and you

01:08:31.800 never know if a rolling blackout is just going to take them out of the stream.

01:08:35.180 Uh, you know, because, uh, that's just the way that their, uh, their first world nation

01:08:40.180 has fallen, uh, since, you know, since their infrastructure has just kind of collapsed.

01:08:45.680 And, uh, we, we, we were, I, you know, we always joke that that's like peering into the

01:08:49.760 future and now the future is already here.

01:08:52.180 Uh, it, it is interesting because, um, you know, there is a lot of ruin as,

01:08:56.360 in an, in a nation as the saying goes.

01:08:58.960 And, uh, America certainly is the one that has the most amount of cushion to decline.

01:09:04.940 And so you could see a standard of living falling for a good while before people get

01:09:10.200 uncomfortable enough to do something about it.

01:09:12.980 Uh, but, but kind of, I guess the basic three futures are you get some kind of leftist

01:09:17.780 retrenchment, right?

01:09:18.760 And that has to look at some point you need Caesar, I guess, to do that.

01:09:23.120 Right.

01:09:23.300 And so that, that blue Caesar, I guess is an option though.

01:09:26.780 A lot of people have made a case as to why you're not going to get blue Caesar just due

01:09:30.380 to the, the nature of the people involved.

01:09:32.340 And there's probably a good, a good point there, but something's going to have to stop

01:09:36.700 like the, the partitioning of a multi-ethnic democracy.

01:09:39.560 Like that, that's clearly tearing things apart.

01:09:42.000 They've imported too many people who like violently disagree.

01:09:45.100 Now, uh, we, we, again, we see that with kind of the Israeli Palestine split in the left.

01:09:50.640 Um, the, the fact that their own coalition is threatened by this process, uh, and their,

01:09:55.580 their kind of obsession with attempting to manipulate those groups is, is kind of spells doom long

01:10:00.320 term for that strategy.

01:10:01.980 And so then your options are just kind of like, well, a healthy partitioning or just

01:10:07.100 the, the, the kind of the, the Russian, uh, the, the Soviet union kind of, uh, spin down

01:10:13.200 where, okay, things might mostly dissolve peacefully, but like you just have oligarchs in charge of

01:10:17.860 things.

01:10:18.180 And like, there is no real civilization, uh, for a while because it's just people picking

01:10:23.580 the bones clean for a good bit.

01:10:25.900 Um, you know, none of those are, uh, short-term hopeful, uh, but they, they do open up new,

01:10:31.060 new possibilities, uh, that, that did not exist prior.

01:10:34.340 You should be really suspicious of anybody who talks about blue Caesar, because that, that

01:10:41.180 concept makes no sense.

01:10:43.020 It's entirely aspirational.

01:10:44.680 The people who say that and they cream their drawers over Gavin Newsom, like they're telling

01:10:51.060 on themselves that it has nothing to do with reality.

01:10:53.960 That's just their dream.

01:10:55.320 They want, they want Democrat daddy to come in and fix everything and, you know, reset the

01:11:01.800 clock to like 2007 and that that's, it would be their dream world.

01:11:06.680 If that, none of that makes any sense.

01:11:09.520 Like why, what, what, what, what, like, I mean, would it be a blue Sulla, I guess?

01:11:14.220 I mean, that, that I could see like a blue Caesar, what that makes that just, it's complete

01:11:19.760 nonsense.

01:11:20.400 Sorry.

01:11:21.200 No, I, I largely agree with that, but I'm also increasingly, uh, I'm also increasingly

01:11:27.420 persuaded that red Caesar is unlikely.

01:11:29.480 Like, I don't know that we're going to get Octavian.

01:11:31.700 You know, I don't know that there's, there's an option for that.

01:11:35.680 Uh, any, any, like, I, I don't think that, I think the United States is far more likely

01:11:41.280 to fall apart than to be, to, to see an Imperial retrenchment.

01:11:44.920 How about a red Alaric?

01:11:46.520 The only person who can legitimately fill the shoes of a Caesar and there may not, there

01:11:51.260 may not be a Caesar is Eric Prince.

01:11:53.980 Eric Prince is the only person who could actually put like, uh, who, it would look like a, a,

01:11:59.760 a neo-corporate cyber people get so wigged out by, uh, uh, what they're basically saying

01:12:05.980 is that people like Eric Prince don't have a problem operating in an environment where

01:12:11.340 it's not clear who's in charge.

01:12:13.060 And someone needs to reestablish who's in charge.

01:12:15.400 What would that, we, people would interpret that modern wise to be a corporate run government

01:12:21.600 or whatever, but, uh, you could take Eric Prince, you could say, Hey, uh, cause this is

01:12:26.800 what military generals do.

01:12:28.460 This is a, a people in the military understand this.

01:12:31.140 We, this is when you conquer territories, military general, you are then the, the, you know, the,

01:12:36.740 the, uh, running that place.

01:12:38.380 You're the manager in the most basic sense where Eric, Eric Prince would death is the

01:12:42.980 only person who could definitely fulfill that.

01:12:44.500 And, uh, uh, we put too much emphasis in the modern world on things like business and politics.

01:12:50.160 When, when we start talking about things, when things get very serious, it's about management

01:12:54.420 of things like violence and, uh, I don't care how slick your hair is, or, you know, if you're

01:13:00.300 six, five, whatever, that doesn't mean anything you to coordinate violence is a different game.

01:13:05.240 And, uh, Eric Prince is the only person who's shown who can do that on like a startup level

01:13:09.720 of like, uh, uh, uh, he could do that.

01:13:13.920 Eric Prince for vice president.

01:13:15.960 The whole point of Caesar though, is that he sort of like transcends and breaks the, uh,

01:13:20.760 political structure that came before him.

01:13:22.560 So this, this idea of a blue Caesar, red Caesar is kind of a bit foreign, uh, especially, uh,

01:13:28.220 when we're using these like civilizational cycles that says that each culture will have

01:13:33.180 a conqueror, a great writer, uh, a Caesar figure and all this other stuff.

01:13:37.840 Uh, the, the whole point of this archetype here is that he is supposed to come to the dying

01:13:42.200 culture, sort of pause everything for the moment, sort of roll back some things, but not all

01:13:46.380 the way, um, and completely shatter, whatever it is that was stagnating before him.

01:13:51.400 If we're looking for a Caesar, he could very well be inside blue or red or whatever else.

01:13:56.360 It's just that we, we won't be able to say this was the blue or red Caesar.

01:14:00.720 Well, it's its ability to cut the Gordian knot.

01:14:03.120 It's the ability to try to get rid of, like you said, that, that impasse that was built into

01:14:07.600 the, the former structure.

01:14:09.520 And yeah, so if there's, if they, that person could be hiding in either one, I guess the question

01:14:15.000 there is more, what camp do they originate from and less, uh, what style would they have?

01:14:21.560 Cause you're right that we need to transcend kind of both sides there.

01:14:25.020 If they're, if they're really going to kind of take that archetype on.

01:14:28.180 All right, guys, well, we could certainly debate this all day and we have, uh, in other

01:14:32.520 episodes, but, uh, need to go ahead and get to our super chats because they are stacking

01:14:36.300 up here real quick.

01:14:37.640 Uh, before we do that, uh, Ryan, do you want to tell people where they can find your work?

01:14:42.240 Oh, uh, people can find me at the old glory club.

01:14:45.700 I am the vice president there.

01:14:46.980 It's a very, uh, good organization for trying to, uh, uh, get American men specifically together

01:14:53.140 so that we can help each other out, uh, sort of provide some sort of mutual aid to each

01:14:56.940 other as we're in need.

01:14:58.180 Uh, eventually we're trying to work to providing some sort of a safety net for cancellation from

01:15:02.700 jobs or public figures or whatever else that, uh, you might be canceled from.

01:15:06.800 Uh, but that that's in the future for right now.

01:15:09.020 Uh, if you are interested in getting involved, email the old glory club at gmail.com, uh,

01:15:15.780 find us on sub stack.

01:15:17.080 Uh, and then as for me personally, you can find my Twitter at, uh, at turnip merchant or just

01:15:22.440 searching my name on Twitter.

01:15:24.100 Uh, I, either one will work.

01:15:26.180 Um, you can find some very, uh, uh, exhilarating crusades and church bodies and whatnot over there.

01:15:32.940 So that's where you can find me.

01:15:35.320 All right.

01:15:35.940 Uh, good old boys, whichever one, you know, where can they find you?

01:15:39.020 Uh, good old boys, um, patreon.com slash good old boy.

01:15:44.080 Just Google good old boys, patron, uh, boys with a Z.

01:15:48.900 Yeah.

01:15:49.200 The problem is there's the spelling thing, but you'll get it, which I mean, some somehow

01:15:52.860 because, uh, once a month, uh, literally once a month, since we've been doing this,

01:15:58.200 a new podcast starts called people calling themselves the good old boys.

01:16:01.840 Um, I'm never going to let go of the name because the name references patronage, which

01:16:06.460 is the theme of the show, but you also got to go to wbsapparel.com.

01:16:10.520 They have a section for our merch.

01:16:13.520 That's the, uh, we have, we have a merch section.

01:16:16.940 Now we've got two shirts.

01:16:18.380 We just about basically sold out of one and we'll have a new line coming out soon.

01:16:22.860 Have some hats and patches and stuff.

01:16:24.520 It'll be, uh, check it out.

01:16:26.500 Nice.

01:16:27.400 All right.

01:16:28.120 Uh, yeah, you can sit out, you could sit out those cease and desist, but then you'd

01:16:31.420 have to worry about your own theme song, right?

01:16:33.740 Oh yeah.

01:16:35.540 Well, I mean, yeah, people are, they're already, well, I shouldn't, well, people already bootlegging

01:16:41.100 the shirt, which is, uh, I, I just take as a compliment and you know, we, we, the shirt

01:16:46.800 is heavily inspired from someone else, but that person who heavily inspired us is on the

01:16:51.920 SPLC terror list.

01:16:54.020 So I don't feel like, I don't feel like it's also a gas station.

01:17:00.300 So I don't feel like they can sue us either.

01:17:02.780 So it's not Bucky's before you ask, you know, it's, it's a, it's a community effort, you know,

01:17:08.800 to each, to each, according to his needs.

01:17:11.980 I mean, who isn't on an SPL list, SPLC list.

01:17:15.280 Come on.

01:17:15.600 Sure.

01:17:16.140 Yeah.

01:17:16.300 Right.

01:17:16.820 I was, was talking to, um, uh, Alex Koshyut and she's like, Oh yeah, I just, I just, uh,

01:17:23.500 scroll through that to get my guest list.

01:17:25.360 You know, if I'm ever looking for a guest, I just check the website to find out who who's

01:17:30.080 new on the, on the watch list.

01:17:31.420 Well, I mean, it's kind of funny.

01:17:32.660 So literally the place we got this, the inspiration for the shirt from they're listed on the SPLC

01:17:40.380 hate list as a gas station.

01:17:43.220 It is literally, it's, it's a gas station in Georgia and it says this gas station is a

01:17:48.640 hate group.

01:17:49.200 I mean, they've already got numbers on there, you know, two, seven, 24, 30.

01:17:56.360 Yeah.

01:17:56.520 Like there's already a good amount of the, uh, the alphabet and, and, uh, the entire number

01:18:01.940 system that are on there.

01:18:03.080 So why not gas station?

01:18:04.460 Yes.

01:18:04.960 It's a gas station.

01:18:05.780 Drinking milk.

01:18:06.640 You know, there's a gas station in Georgia that sells like bongs and Confederate belt buckles

01:18:11.580 and stuff like that because they do, they are considered a hate group.

01:18:15.160 Like, uh, you know, the, the, the clan or something like that.

01:18:19.860 I believe it.

01:18:20.940 All right.

01:18:21.360 Well, let's go ahead and dive into our, uh, uh, our super chats here.

01:18:28.660 All right.

01:18:29.360 So Maximilian Cunnings for $2.

01:18:32.900 Thank you, sir.

01:18:33.460 What are the core tenets of any civic religion?

01:18:38.260 A good question.

01:18:39.660 What would be some of the core tenets of any civic religion?

01:18:44.260 Uh, let's form over truth.

01:18:46.440 I'm sorry.

01:18:47.240 Go ahead.

01:18:47.860 Form over truth.

01:18:50.000 Could you give people a little more there?

01:18:51.880 Yeah.

01:18:52.100 Yeah.

01:18:52.280 So, uh, with, with a civic religion, you want people to be loyal to the, uh, to, to basically

01:18:57.460 the state or whatever you're having in place, the state.

01:19:00.420 And you should not be asking, is the state true or was it propagating?

01:19:04.380 Is it true?

01:19:04.940 But rather, is it that thing?

01:19:06.760 Is it the state?

01:19:07.700 Does it look like the state?

01:19:08.760 That that's what every civic religion does.

01:19:10.560 It's what Kierkegaard railed against.

01:19:11.980 It's, it's what we're railing against now.

01:19:13.660 It's this, uh, uh, we don't like that people like it because it is, uh, despite all of

01:19:19.700 its falsehoods and all the things that's going wrong with.

01:19:22.120 So it wants you to really value forms of things, regardless of whether they're true.

01:19:26.760 An excellent answer.

01:19:29.440 Anyone else?

01:19:29.860 Um, uh, I know when I read, when I read Caesar's diaries, I could see my, I'm like, God, I

01:19:36.920 wish I had a, I wish I was part of a state like that.

01:19:40.200 Um, like, you know, I, I don't love our state like that, but the way he, he talks about the

01:19:45.640 Roman state, um, I don't know.

01:19:47.640 It's, uh, it's not all, not all states are equal.

01:19:51.960 Not all empires are equal, especially at any point in time.

01:19:54.580 But, um, I don't know you, that's sort of a, you can sort of see a, uh, when you read

01:19:58.820 that, you can sort of see what would be a positive vision, you know, the duty and honor,

01:20:03.400 uh, kind of thing.

01:20:06.060 Yeah.

01:20:06.480 Your, your political formula has to be in there, but like you said, it has to be genuine.

01:20:10.160 It certainly has to be something that compels people, uh, to, to love and sacrifice on behalf

01:20:15.380 of the state for sure.

01:20:17.080 All right.

01:20:17.320 We got, uh, Andrew Guller here.

01:20:19.260 Uh, sorry, you had those early on.

01:20:21.580 Glad I caught those before we got too far.

01:20:23.820 I want to get some exposure to the Italian elite theorists.

01:20:26.800 Should I start with the Machiavellians by James Burnham?

01:20:30.140 Uh, short answer.

01:20:30.980 Yes.

01:20:31.360 Uh, Machiavellians is the best primer, uh, for Italian elite theory.

01:20:35.700 Uh, you could also read, uh, academic agents book, uh, the, uh, uh, the populist delusion.

01:20:42.580 Uh, it's a little, it's a little, uh, it, it takes a few other thinkers into account, which

01:20:47.260 are important.

01:20:47.840 And I think that that's probably also a good place to start, but I think the Machiavellians

01:20:53.080 gives you, uh, the big three as, as well as Sorrel and in a way that's digestible.

01:20:59.680 Um, you could also read my book, the total state, which will be coming out next year.

01:21:03.900 Uh, but, uh, I think the other good place, if you're going to actually read, um, a, a

01:21:10.720 Italian elite theorists, I think that Mick, well, no, I should say Mosca is probably the

01:21:17.800 easiest one to read.

01:21:19.460 McKell's is easy to read relatively, but he, a lot of his just about, uh, German socialists

01:21:24.840 like workers parties.

01:21:26.060 And so you have to, um, you have to kind of be able to, uh, look at that and understand

01:21:32.160 like how that translates into, into mass politics as there, I think Mosca is a little more obvious.

01:21:36.980 Uh, of course you could also read, uh, uh, read, uh, Machiavelli himself though.

01:21:42.080 Um, but you know, the, he doesn't, uh, it's not as updated as, uh, you know, the Italian

01:21:46.260 elite theorists are going much in more in depth in certain areas.

01:21:50.020 And then, uh, Andrew says, did you ever read none dare call it conspiracy?

01:21:54.400 If so, what did you think of it?

01:21:56.340 I can't say I have, man.

01:21:57.460 I'm sorry.

01:21:57.960 I wish I could give you a better answer on that one.

01:22:01.020 Anyone happen to have read that book?

01:22:04.020 I know of it, but I mean, good luck.

01:22:06.140 Isn't it, that's one of the Bircher books.

01:22:09.380 So how the hell would you, how the hell would you even get a copy of it?

01:22:13.440 I'm not, it's like, when I talk, it's funny when you talk about banned books, we'll talk

01:22:17.720 about that.

01:22:18.500 Yeah.

01:22:18.640 You could probably get picked that up on Amazon for like $515 along with a camp of the saints

01:22:23.960 that Ryan was referencing earlier.

01:22:26.740 Yeah.

01:22:27.500 The band, the band books, like, uh, uh, like, uh, to kill a mockingbird that I can get for

01:22:33.480 25 cents at a used bookstore.

01:22:35.600 Yeah.

01:22:36.580 Uh, on, on my channel on YouTube, uh, which is also under my name as well.

01:22:41.100 I, I will be returning again this Saturday to be discussing the, the Birchers.

01:22:45.400 So, um, some of the things in that book might come up that's being referenced here, but, uh,

01:22:51.100 if, if anyone's interested in the Birchers, I, I will be talking about it with a good friend,

01:22:55.260 uh, from the old glory club as well on Saturday.

01:22:57.740 I will most certainly be tuning in for that one.

01:23:00.120 All right.

01:23:00.940 Joshua Beebe says the family man with Nick Cage is a great Christmas movie.

01:23:04.980 I agree.

01:23:05.520 That is one of those that's surprising.

01:23:07.500 It's a, it's a surprisingly kind of heartfelt and touching, uh, Nick Cage movie about the,

01:23:14.240 you know, the businessman who has it all.

01:23:16.280 He's rich and he's got the, uh, you know, he's got the status.

01:23:19.540 He's going to all the fancy parties on Christmas and then he kind of gets transported into this alternate reality where he had a family and he, uh, kind of, uh, misses that when he comes back.

01:23:31.020 It's actually quite a good, uh, Christmas movie.

01:23:33.380 I'd agree with that.

01:23:34.320 Imagine Josh coming at you with a two handed axe.

01:23:40.800 I'm sorry.

01:23:41.660 Oh, cause he's giant.

01:23:42.880 Yeah.

01:23:43.360 Yeah.

01:23:43.720 Yeah.

01:23:43.840 It's a little PFP there.

01:23:46.100 Yeah.

01:23:46.300 Yeah.

01:23:46.640 Little Roman guy running, running around, running around in, uh, you know, Northern Europe, whatever.

01:23:51.180 And that's the first Celt you see is Josh coming with a 75 pound axe.

01:23:58.720 Yeah.

01:23:59.260 Yeah.

01:23:59.480 You can understand the terror there.

01:24:02.520 Uh, let's see.

01:24:03.520 Deuce Boogaloo for $50.

01:24:05.040 Well, thank you very much, man.

01:24:06.060 Incredibly generous.

01:24:07.160 Uh, there's a new racial film, American fiction that targets white leftists for their, uh, cloying patronage of blacks.

01:24:16.020 IDW types claim that it's assigned witnesses being put away, but to me, it looks like more anti-white propaganda.

01:24:21.920 You should review it or an interesting, I have not heard of that, but I will take a look.

01:24:26.100 That's yeah.

01:24:26.820 Those interesting trends that I should, I should just constantly have that, uh, that rolling theme of, uh, whether or not this is, this is the woke being put away.

01:24:34.900 I think there are a lot of mistakes, uh, made, but you know, there's a lot of selective choices that academic agent makes, uh, saying, oh, well, this is the woke being put away because it challenges some aspect of leftism, even though it's often reinforcing another aspect.

01:24:50.260 So that's very interesting, man.

01:24:52.000 I will definitely check that out.

01:24:53.500 American fiction.

01:24:54.520 All right.

01:24:55.060 Uh, Paladin, uh, YYZ says, oh, $51.

01:24:59.600 Thank you very much.

01:25:00.400 Again, very generous.

01:25:01.680 Uh, go so busy, uh, go so busy running to the hills, breaking the law and writing the lightning that I miss Orrin's metal show with Pete, uh, still feeling a little trapped under ice.

01:25:12.100 Well, I appreciate all of the references there.

01:25:14.560 We've got Iron Maiden, Judas Priest.

01:25:16.520 Uh, we've got multiple Metallica references there.

01:25:19.480 Uh, I, I, yeah, I had a good time talking, uh, to Pete, uh, Quinonez, uh, over there about, uh, metal.

01:25:26.500 That was a lot of fun.

01:25:27.260 I've always wanted to do a metal show.

01:25:29.260 So that was nice to do with him because he's a big metal head.

01:25:31.480 He was plugged into the music scene for a long time.

01:25:34.680 Um, I'm a little younger and I, I wasn't as, uh, involved directly with the music scene.

01:25:40.200 And so it was also cool to just hear some of his stories, though.

01:25:43.360 It's one of those streams.

01:25:44.260 I don't know if you guys have ever done this, where you get started and then you just forget the name of everything.

01:25:48.080 Like just every reference you're supposed to make, you know, movies or music, everything.

01:25:51.660 I just managed to forget like every Megadeth album.

01:25:54.680 Like I forgot massive swaths of, of, uh, metal history that I knew just because we got deeply involved in it, but it was a lot of fun.

01:26:02.100 People should check that out.

01:26:02.900 You need, you need a co-host that would kick ass in jeopardy like I got, cause I could not remember any, any proper noun, uh, ever at all.

01:26:11.760 And people, a lot of people think it's some kind of like elaborate bit.

01:26:14.640 It's not, that's just how it is.

01:26:18.200 Uh, I mean, I'm, I'm curious.

01:26:20.060 I love like, so ride the lightning.

01:26:23.060 I mean, it's one of my favorite albums, but I don't, but going back to my thing about films, river, can you give me another album that, that, that, that I would like?

01:26:32.900 That it would be like that.

01:26:34.940 Oh, sure.

01:26:35.580 I mean, well, obviously, you know, the, the debate, you mean Metallica or do you just any other thrash album or something else?

01:26:42.380 I, I, I, I've heard a lot of the other Metallica, but something just like literally, I don't know.

01:26:48.560 I don't know.

01:26:49.480 Who's the redheaded guy?

01:26:51.120 Dave Mustaine from, from Megadeth.

01:26:53.240 Yeah.

01:26:53.460 Yeah.

01:26:54.060 He's a Christian now, isn't he?

01:26:55.640 Uh, I don't think, I don't, well, that's a good question.

01:26:57.840 Uh, Dave has definitely softened a lot.

01:27:00.780 Like his last, it's funny because obviously his first, uh, couple albums are all the system is terrible and the system is terrible.

01:27:06.640 And his last couple albums are also the system is terrible, but now the system is fighting against like Christianity and the family.

01:27:12.320 And so like all his, his albums are like making references to attacks on the family unit and, you know, that kind of thing.

01:27:18.300 And so I don't know if he did convert to Christianity, but I wouldn't be surprised given the, the kind of the way that his, uh, his politics have, have taken him during the years.

01:27:27.160 Uh, he, he, he's been on things like Alex Jones, you know, he's that, he's that kind of guy.

01:27:31.220 Well, if you're, if you're a touring music, successful touring musician, you're either going to find Jesus or you're going to be dead at like 45.

01:27:37.980 Well, like Alice Cooper, right.

01:27:39.620 Alice Cooper was basically murdering himself.

01:27:41.900 And then in the eighties, he becomes a Christian.

01:27:44.140 Um, and so, uh, yeah, I think that, that, that's true.

01:27:47.480 I think, uh, I think, uh, the guy from Wasp also, also, uh, uh, converted to Christianity.

01:27:54.320 So yeah, a lot, a lot of guys go that route.

01:27:56.480 Yeah.

01:27:56.680 If you're looking for good thrash albums, uh, the classics are things like, um, uh, rust in peace is, is the mega death album that most people will point you to.

01:28:06.620 You could look at guys like Testament and like new, uh, like, um, the new order or, uh, practice what you preach.

01:28:13.840 Uh, a lot of people will look at over killer Exodus.

01:28:16.380 Uh, I like metal church.

01:28:17.560 Uh, they're, they're a good, uh, thrash band.

01:28:20.280 So I think that the, if you really like the eighties metal ride, the lightning era, uh, I think there are a number of good bands that are kind of around that, that you'd enjoy.

01:28:29.780 Excellent.

01:28:31.220 All right.

01:28:31.820 We've got, uh, Michael Robertson here for $20.

01:28:34.600 Thank you very much, man.

01:28:35.460 Impressive guest lineup.

01:28:36.860 Merry Christmas, everyone.

01:28:38.200 Hey, why is no one pressuring Trump to get back on Twitter?

01:28:41.300 I refuse to believe he's seriously running if he's not tweeting by early next year.

01:28:45.480 Truth.

01:28:45.680 So she'll be damned.

01:28:46.740 Yeah.

01:28:47.140 You feel like eventually he has to make that move.

01:28:49.660 Obviously he's not on Twitter because he's probably contractually tight to social.

01:28:53.960 Uh, and he doesn't want to fork over like the, I don't know, probably tens or maybe even hundreds of millions of dollars.

01:28:59.180 He would have to, if he started tweeting again, uh, but once he's kind of up at the wall and they're, and they're very clearly going to put him in jail, I think he probably will have to, you know, just go ahead and break that contract because being in jail is worse.

01:29:11.760 But that would be my guess.

01:29:13.360 He might as well wait until the actual election starts.

01:29:16.020 If he's going to like do a triumphant return to Twitter, that would be the way to time it.

01:29:20.600 You would do it.

01:29:21.460 You would do it next year.

01:29:22.740 Maybe not even late.

01:29:23.680 Maybe, uh, sorry, not even early, maybe later in the year, you know, for maximum impact.

01:29:28.500 We've got, uh, coach McGurk's burp shirt.

01:29:33.380 Uh, listen, Brian, I hope you had a Merry Christmas.

01:29:36.420 Don't, uh, think too hard.

01:29:37.840 It'll be fine.

01:29:38.500 Now pass me a Mikey's big mouth.

01:29:40.080 Is that from the show?

01:29:41.320 I'm trying to, what's that show called home movies?

01:29:43.020 Is that the one that's a Mickey's big mouth?

01:29:45.460 I don't know.

01:29:45.880 I'm sure Adam Carolla is involved.

01:29:47.600 Cause he's always talking about Mickey's big mouth.

01:29:49.840 It's a, it was a popular, uh, malt liquor beverage in the 1970s.

01:29:55.660 A malt liquor historian here for us.

01:29:58.120 Yeah.

01:29:58.680 Yeah.

01:29:59.860 Uh, also, sorry, Brendan had a few too many gotten, uh, got name wrong.

01:30:05.480 All right, man.

01:30:07.180 See, uh, we've got Mac, uh, Matt grader here, uh, for $20.

01:30:11.640 You've heard us make the work day a little more enjoyable.

01:30:13.940 I appreciate what you do.

01:30:15.060 Well, thank you, man.

01:30:15.660 I really appreciate it.

01:30:16.960 It's a lot of fun.

01:30:17.880 I mean, I get to hang out with guys like this all the time.

01:30:20.980 Uh, so it's always a blast.

01:30:22.540 I really appreciate you guys watching.

01:30:24.240 It's been a fantastic year, obviously, uh, being able to kind of move over to

01:30:28.040 the blaze and do this full time has definitely been a dream come true.

01:30:31.200 And so I'm glad that so many of you have come with me and enjoyed it.

01:30:34.220 It's, it's been fantastic.

01:30:36.060 Uh, Sean here says, what are the panel's thoughts about Vivek as red Caesar?

01:30:40.200 He points out that most of our issues stem from bloated federal government and he promises

01:30:44.620 to, to meaningfully reduce its size.

01:30:48.060 Uh, I would say that Vivek says a lot of great stuff.

01:30:50.620 He's, he's talked about, uh, kind of the, the managerial elite.

01:30:54.780 He's talked about the problem of the bureaucratic state.

01:30:57.440 Uh, he's got the right opinions on a number of things.

01:31:00.720 Uh, but I don't think he's the guy for a lot of reasons.

01:31:03.440 What are you guys feelings about Vivek?

01:31:05.360 I don't mean to be blunt here or too blunt, uh, but Vivek can't be the West Caesar, uh,

01:31:11.280 because he isn't Western.

01:31:12.980 Right.

01:31:13.740 Yeah.

01:31:14.320 Uh, being, being a politician and, and having correct opinions and all this kind of stuff

01:31:20.940 are completely different.

01:31:21.960 You got to have a killer instinct to, to actually want to execute the kind of stuff he's talking

01:31:27.600 about.

01:31:27.900 The kind of person that, that actually executes stuff is a lot.

01:31:31.820 It is not someone that, that has this sort of deposition, but that doesn't mean, I mean,

01:31:36.840 uh, that doesn't mean he doesn't have a bright future.

01:31:39.500 I mean, he could definitely, he, he could definitely be somebody that, that could, uh,

01:31:43.920 do a lot of great things as, as, uh, uh, some kind of, uh, secretary in the, um,

01:31:50.100 secretary in the Soviet sense of like, uh, uh, what do we, czar?

01:31:55.460 Sorry.

01:31:56.000 It's some kind of, you know, one of these czars or something like that.

01:31:58.480 He could definitely be a powerful asset.

01:32:00.180 I mean, he, you know, it's not like he's, he's auditioning for a media job because he

01:32:04.500 is kind of too good to be on, to be, to be a media guy or something.

01:32:08.860 And he is really slick, uh, on the mic or whatever, but not like the charisma leadership,

01:32:14.560 you're fired, that kind of thing.

01:32:16.800 Yeah.

01:32:17.220 Obviously he doesn't need the money and he is a pharmaceutical.

01:32:20.100 You know, president or, you know, something, right?

01:32:22.300 Like that was his background.

01:32:23.520 So, uh, it would seem like he's campaigning to put himself in some position of power,

01:32:28.480 though.

01:32:28.700 I don't think even he believes it's president, but, uh, let's see Maximilian, uh,

01:32:36.540 Cunning's here.

01:32:37.160 What if we measured politics by compliance with natural law and house those in that

01:32:42.100 violation of natural law as illegitimate power wielders?

01:32:45.040 Um, I think that's actually kind of what we do eventually, right?

01:32:49.660 That's, that's, that's kind of how it eventually measures out, even though we've managed to

01:32:53.400 suspend natural law as much as possible here.

01:32:56.000 This might be the greatest suspension of natural law in human history, but eventually that rubber

01:33:00.500 band snaps back, right?

01:33:02.720 Fed posts going into 2024 just look a lot like Oliver Cromwell walking up to parliament.

01:33:08.000 I mean, one of, I mean, one of our founding documents states this, this is a bit like the very beginning.

01:33:16.840 Yeah.

01:33:17.800 Yeah.

01:33:18.280 I think, uh, yeah, as we pointed out to Thomas Jefferson, the dangerous man to quote in times

01:33:22.520 like these, um, man, everything this guy says seems to apply to my current anyway, moving on, uh, Maximilian, uh,

01:33:30.620 Kennings here says, where can I learn about not needing a large coalition?

01:33:35.680 Congratulations.

01:33:36.100 You're in the right place.

01:33:37.500 Uh, we've got, we've got, uh, plenty of hits, but stay tuned.

01:33:40.520 Uh, because, uh, once you make it through the backlog, there will be more.

01:33:45.060 Uh, sorry.

01:33:46.100 Good.

01:33:46.460 Well, I can give you the, the, the simple explanation is that, uh, if you have, if you have too

01:33:51.540 many people in your coalition, then there's not enough to go around.

01:33:54.080 And the people who are more important in your coalition are going to be unhappy and they're

01:33:58.860 not going to be excited.

01:33:59.720 And they're not going to, uh, you can look at, go look at the people who, who blocked

01:34:04.580 the windows in, in, in Philadelphia.

01:34:07.020 When we had election, those people very much wanted Joe Biden where he can learn about it.

01:34:12.820 Go read a dictator's handbook.

01:34:14.060 That's a good, the central coalition stuff.

01:34:16.280 That's what you, what you, what you're asking for.

01:34:18.520 Yeah.

01:34:18.700 I haven't done a primer on that book, but I probably should.

01:34:20.920 Uh, that's another one that doesn't get mentioned enough in our circles.

01:34:24.080 Uh, even cause it's not, cause overall he comes down to like, uh, this is all bad.

01:34:29.600 You know, like it's one of those things where he like, uh, it's kind of like Bertrand

01:34:33.120 Juvenile where he like talks about, you know, how politics actually works the whole time.

01:34:36.800 And then at the end he's like, yeah, but I'm probably still a liberal, I guess, even

01:34:41.160 though I just explained why it doesn't work for the last couple hundred pages.

01:34:45.080 Uh, so, but, uh, yeah, that is, that is, that is a, that is a good primer to be sure.

01:34:49.200 Uh, let's see here.

01:34:52.120 And, uh, the demon fiend for $5.

01:34:54.880 What do you think of Trump's chances of winning the general, uh, considering he's a political

01:34:59.160 simpleton in legal jeopardy and mental decline?

01:35:02.460 I think they're excellent.

01:35:04.380 Um, I, I, I get it.

01:35:07.080 Like, uh, I, I made a lot of people very angry on Twitter yesterday, uh, by pointing out some

01:35:12.520 of the problems, uh, with DeSantis running, uh, even though I am a, a Ron DeSantis, uh,

01:35:18.240 appreciator, uh, just, just pointing out some simple truths about, uh, kind of the difficulties

01:35:22.920 that he faces, even though he's a very competent and capable politician.

01:35:27.740 Uh, all of these things hold guys like your look, every one of your, every one, I try to

01:35:33.360 explain this to people and they don't listen to me.

01:35:35.360 So I'm going to try one more time.

01:35:36.660 Like every one of your criticisms of Trump is correct and yet he's still going to win

01:35:42.580 like, because, because you're in a, you're in a specific moment in time and the world

01:35:51.620 historical forces acting on the scenario are larger than your policy problems with Trump.

01:35:57.340 And that doesn't make him a good person.

01:35:59.160 And that doesn't make him the right person.

01:36:00.720 And that doesn't make him a worthy person.

01:36:02.340 Um, but if you're asking me like, what are my predictions looking at the political realities

01:36:07.320 around me, this is just obviously true.

01:36:10.800 I don't know.

01:36:11.480 I don't know how other people feel about this.

01:36:13.340 Uh, but I, I think that even though, uh, Trump has many faults and you'll be right about

01:36:18.720 pointing every single one of them out.

01:36:20.560 Uh, if you want an accurate prediction and not my endorsement or not my, my moral, you know,

01:36:26.680 druthers, like what, what do you, what I think is actually going to happen.

01:36:29.660 Yeah.

01:36:30.040 I think Trump's going to win.

01:36:30.920 Well, this is talking about the general, uh, I mean, first of all, he, I, I don't accept

01:36:36.960 the premise that he's a political simpleton.

01:36:38.780 Like his message is simple, political message is simple, but that doesn't, that's not bad

01:36:43.440 thing.

01:36:43.820 That's actually kind of what you're going for as for being in legal jeopardy and middle

01:36:48.120 decline.

01:36:48.600 Well, his opponent is both of those things too, and even more unpopular to him.

01:36:54.140 So, you know, there's a pretty good chance.

01:36:56.660 Uh, there's a pretty good chance there.

01:36:57.920 Like you said, the moment in time, you can say it was simple for the man to get up on

01:37:03.220 the escalator and talk about illegal immigrants and executing drug dealers and stuff.

01:37:09.640 Yeah.

01:37:09.920 That was simple to do.

01:37:11.600 And yet none of his opponents would do it.

01:37:14.300 And none of them are, nobody cares about them anymore.

01:37:17.680 So.

01:37:18.520 Something to talk.

01:37:19.760 Sorry.

01:37:20.180 Something to say.

01:37:20.900 Who's the, who's the simpleton.

01:37:22.780 So I, I mean, so I live in Florida.

01:37:25.200 So I, I think Ron DeSantis has done an excellent job running the state.

01:37:28.660 However, there's, uh, you know, no matter even how competent Ron DeSantis is or, or how good

01:37:36.220 he is basically doing anything, uh, unless he can come up with billions of dollars between

01:37:41.720 now and then, I mean, you just don't understand what that, that does for, uh, being able, it

01:37:48.120 just creates a completely different scenario.

01:37:50.020 You are become very dependent day to day on what donors, uh, what donors want when you

01:38:00.760 don't have billions of dollars.

01:38:02.740 Um, you can sort of, and you're still dependent on people to get elected.

01:38:07.460 The difference is you can sort of play a longer game.

01:38:11.020 If you have billions of dollars.

01:38:12.940 Uh, I think that that's huge, that that's, uh, that's hugely important.

01:38:18.300 If you guys, uh, since you guys brought up DeSantis, am I the only one that remembers how

01:38:22.440 much more radical and temperament he was like a year ago compared to now?

01:38:26.200 Yeah, no, I it's, it's kind of weird because so I have been,

01:38:30.760 I've been covering Ron DeSantis for a long time and I was, I was at the rallies where

01:38:39.380 he got the endorsement from Trump when he was behind Andrew Gillum.

01:38:42.960 I was standing in the pit with CNN reporters getting booed, hearing, you know, the media

01:38:49.540 sucks, uh, from the crowd.

01:38:51.420 I interviewed the people there.

01:38:53.660 So I'm not unfamiliar with this story.

01:38:56.100 Like I've been on the ground and seeing this phenomenon pretty close up and it's weird how

01:39:04.840 much people have rewritten kind of the story of Ron DeSantis.

01:39:10.020 You're absolutely right, Ryan.

01:39:11.900 A year ago, he was much more natural and much more abrasive with the media, uh, and, and

01:39:20.640 was able to do that pretty casually, uh, on a regular basis while scoring big wins.

01:39:26.520 And it feels like that's been conditioned out of him by a lot of consultants and people

01:39:30.420 got very angry for me at me for pointing out what it feels like a pretty obvious fact,

01:39:35.500 but I don't know if you have, I answered that right away, right?

01:39:40.480 I don't know if you had more to say there.

01:39:41.640 No, I've, I just, I just kind of feel gaslighted just because I remember, uh, a couple of semesters

01:39:47.600 ago, I'd be in class and I have, uh, Oklahoma has a bunch of people that come up from Florida

01:39:51.760 just to come to our universities.

01:39:53.280 I guess it's a kind of like home, maybe cheaper, better in some cases, worse than others.

01:39:57.960 I don't know.

01:39:59.220 And they were all talking about like back then, a couple of semesters ago, each one of these

01:40:04.020 Florida students all had a positive opinion of DeSantis and they would have to like test

01:40:08.560 out in conversation.

01:40:09.980 Are you someone who thinks that DeSantis is Mussolini or are you on side now?

01:40:13.780 It doesn't matter.

01:40:14.400 He's just like some moderate, basically, uh, the, the better option to Trump and he, they,

01:40:20.020 the radical rhetoric seems to have just completely dissipated.

01:40:23.480 Yeah.

01:40:24.440 He's, he's drifted towards the, the, the everything.

01:40:27.540 Cause there's, there's so many Republican governors people don't think about, in my opinion, the

01:40:32.040 rise of Ron DeSantis came about because he seemed to be the first person that was able

01:40:37.820 to, uh, in office outmaneuver, basically the, uh, the, the judicial system with, with getting

01:40:45.560 these laws passed that when he would pass a law, he would tell people, he said, look,

01:40:50.240 this is going to get blocked at the, whatever the district level or whatever.

01:40:54.040 I'm not an attorney, but we're going to win this.

01:40:56.540 We've got a great case or blah, blah, blah.

01:40:58.420 And I think most people, people like me, we don't, we're not, I'm not a lawyer, but I knew

01:41:02.660 that this guy's a lawyer and it seemed like he was able to score some victories like this.

01:41:08.920 Yes.

01:41:09.300 He was very, very good at what he did.

01:41:11.440 That's the thing is that, and that's what I said, the tweet is this guy was, what was

01:41:16.020 a phenom, you know, and that's, that's part of the tragedy here, but sorry, Astrakhan,

01:41:21.220 you had, uh, some of your, no, it wasn't anything, um, all that important.

01:41:26.800 And they, they, they, they smoothed off all the rough edges that made him, him.

01:41:32.400 And so all the things that made him different from a lot of the other politicians, um, and,

01:41:39.680 and gained him a lot of success ended up being muted to the point where, like you said, he's

01:41:46.480 just kind of become yet another politician in a sea of politicians.

01:41:50.720 All right.

01:41:53.040 Now that we've angered a good, uh, portion of the electorate, let's go to Thuggo here.

01:41:58.640 Can you give your thoughts on Sam, Sam Bigman Freed's explain, uh, when he explained the main

01:42:05.220 purpose of woke is a language you speak to show that you're in the in group.

01:42:08.160 Absolutely.

01:42:08.960 So if you want to, uh, you know, if you want to go to somebody, I've, I did a episode on

01:42:14.260 this and he wrote a piece on this, but I did an episode with him on this, um, uh, uh,

01:42:21.560 why have I suddenly forgotten our Swedish friend, Tingsorg, um, Malcolm, uh, he, he, uh, wrote

01:42:28.140 a great piece on this early on explaining that wokeism is, and he's wrong that the, I think

01:42:34.440 he's wrong a little bit on, on its place in the leftist, uh, I think kind of imagination,

01:42:40.640 uh, in, in, in its political formula, but he's right about this key function, which is

01:42:45.360 its ability to cancel others.

01:42:47.040 It's, it's internecine warfare for the left, the way that you cancel other elites because

01:42:52.540 you can't like fight a duel or something.

01:42:54.700 You can't, you can't just, you know, pistols at dawn people.

01:42:57.860 Um, and so, uh, you know, you can't Alexander Hamilton.

01:43:00.840 Um, and so instead, like the way that you kind of show your, you know, superior, the way

01:43:07.620 that you win kind of that inter-elite conflict is by speaking the right language.

01:43:12.400 And so like the basic entry is the woke language.

01:43:15.420 And then beyond that, it's the ability to kind of outmaneuver, uh, you know, through

01:43:20.260 wokeness and cancel through wokeness, those that would challenge you.

01:43:23.120 Uh, and so I think, uh, yeah, obviously, uh, you know, uh, SVF's kind of explanation that

01:43:29.920 you have to work this into your basic language just to be accepted in important and powerful

01:43:35.220 circles.

01:43:35.800 Yeah, that's obvious.

01:43:36.700 Like it's the imperial cult.

01:43:38.120 So you, at minimum, you must prove, you must speak the name of Caesar at minimum to be able

01:43:44.060 to kind of just walk the door.

01:43:45.900 Uh, and then your proficiency inside that system is one which allows you to kind of cancel

01:43:51.760 others.

01:43:52.380 Uh, so I, I'm not shocked at all that there's a critical aspect of playing the game at the

01:43:58.260 level that he was involved in.

01:43:59.980 Yeah.

01:44:00.640 The, the, the important distinction here is like for who, for, for who is this, like the,

01:44:05.980 the, the, the point of work.

01:44:08.080 So if you're, if you're a right winger, like that, that aspect of wokeness, you may basically

01:44:14.220 never interact with.

01:44:15.440 Right.

01:44:16.180 Because that's not that, that they don't, that has nothing to do with us, but now that's

01:44:20.320 keeping you outside the gate.

01:44:21.440 You don't even get to see inside the gate because of that, that barrier.

01:44:24.800 Yeah.

01:44:25.220 You're like, you're not like, it's not, you're not even invited to the, uh, what do they call

01:44:31.220 the thing where the, the nights used to battle, uh, like as a sport kind of thing, jousting

01:44:36.940 jousting, like, like, like we're, we're working the fields, right?

01:44:40.080 It doesn't matter how good or bad we are at jousting.

01:44:42.220 Now you go to, if you know, people that have worked in university or they, they, they did

01:44:47.120 grad school and stuff like that, they will tell you like the people who are up and coming,

01:44:51.260 the people who, who, the way you succeed in academia is being like the most terroristic

01:44:57.540 woke person possible.

01:44:58.800 That's how you puff your chest out.

01:45:01.760 That's how you, that's how you earn.

01:45:03.760 That's how you put skins on the wall.

01:45:05.480 That's how you earn rank there.

01:45:07.600 And basically you have to have some way to resolve disputes.

01:45:12.700 And that's how, that's how they, that's how they do it.

01:45:15.860 It's a very feminine type thing.

01:45:18.260 If, if Merrick is ever, uh, you know, sick or, you know, otherwise sidelined, you can have,

01:45:24.060 uh, ostracon be your, your, your thesaurus.

01:45:26.720 I could hear, I could hear, uh, Mark there just being like, Oh, finally, I didn't have

01:45:30.020 to do it this time.

01:45:32.220 Star Wars, how Chewbacca and Han Solo are best friends, but nobody can understand Chewbacca,

01:45:38.060 but that's what it feels like sometimes.

01:45:41.760 It's not something that comes up in my day to day, uh, line of work, the jousting.

01:45:46.920 I've been the one, been on the list, uh, giant turkey leg.

01:45:54.200 No, it wasn't like medieval times.

01:45:55.720 It was, it was like horse people were doing it.

01:45:58.540 This was back when I was a kid and it wasn't like people weren't dressed up in costumes.

01:46:02.020 It was just like, was this legal?

01:46:04.260 I assume so.

01:46:05.420 It was drunk dudes with sticks, man.

01:46:08.140 It was, it was awesome.

01:46:10.660 I'm just wondering if ostracon is going to out himself here.

01:46:13.160 I don't know.

01:46:13.520 Well, we did the, we did the thing about, uh, where are you?

01:46:17.460 We can find people.

01:46:18.340 We didn't go to ostracon.

01:46:20.160 He could be right, right behind you.

01:46:22.220 You know, it's true.

01:46:23.300 Well, that's, that's the key.

01:46:24.760 He could be anyone.

01:46:26.000 You can't find him.

01:46:27.560 Uh, Alyosha for $20 says woke languages.

01:46:31.300 Um, uh, basically enlightenment is funk is malfunctioning and no one can find the manual.

01:46:38.260 Uh, yeah.

01:46:38.800 I mean, this is, this is certainly a downstream, uh, from that.

01:46:42.620 Uh, I'm hoping to have Jonathan Peugeot on, uh, early next year.

01:46:47.180 Uh, he had some interesting comments about the enlightenment that, that made, uh, uh,

01:46:52.220 James Lindsay yell at him, which, you know, endears him to me, uh, more than a little bit.

01:46:55.920 Uh, so I want to talk to him about, uh, kind of a failure enlightenment and how we got here,

01:47:00.300 but I think you're most certainly right about that connection.

01:47:03.160 You gotta be careful around that guy in swords.

01:47:05.400 Yeah.

01:47:05.840 That's just, he's studied the blade and who, who am I to question it?

01:47:09.700 All right, guys.

01:47:11.340 Well, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up, but I want to thank everybody for coming

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01:47:21.300 uh, has put out, but, uh, he, he only shows up now occasionally on the show.

01:47:25.640 Hopefully we'll, we'll see him a little more.

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