The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Dangerous Geoengineering Revolution ｜ Guest： Raw Egg Nationalist ｜ 2⧸9⧸23

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00:01:30.000 Hey, everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great stream with a great guest who I've been looking forward to having on for quite a while now. He's a man of many talents. He's a writer. He's an author. He's got multiple books. And he also is the editor of a magazine, Man's World, which you can check out. Raw Egg Nationalist. Thank you for joining me, man.

00:01:55.860 It's a pleasure, Oron. Thanks for having me.

00:01:58.620 Absolutely. So you've got a lot of projects going on. And the thing I wanted to talk about here today is a piece that you did recently for the American Mind. But before we get too deep in the weeds with all that, for people who aren't aware, how did you become the Raw Egg Nationalist? I mean, I've seen you everywhere. You've been on Tucker Carlson and everything at this point. How did all this happen?

00:02:18.760 Yeah, it was a wonderful, wonderful mistake. I think it was just there was no no planning behind it. I was just a Twitter anon. It's a bit of a lurker. And beginning of 2020, I started posting.

00:02:33.200 I got behind this hashtag Raw Egg Nationalism because people were starting to knock back Raw Eggs and talk about doing that as a kind of political movement, as a rejection of the current sort of status quo, which is to be dependent and to be unwell and unhealthy and unhappy.

00:02:54.240 And I decided to write a cookbook, Raw Egg Nationalism in theory and practice, which I wrote in the summer of 2020 was a free PDF.

00:03:03.700 And then people wanted it to be a paperback. And then it became a hardback, glossy sort of coffee table cookbook.

00:03:11.340 And it's all it's all just been really a bit of a blur since then. I've written multiple books featured in the Tucker Carlson documentary, The End of Men, which came out in October, I think it was.

00:03:23.660 And it's just been it's just been crazy.

00:03:26.920 Yeah, it's funny because I started posting on Twitter about the same time. So it's crazy to see so many people from the anon sphere kind of move into so many different mainstream areas.

00:03:37.160 It's pretty funny. Now, obviously, a lot of people, you know, Raw Eggs, there's been some grumbling from a lot of, you know, different new right outlets or people who kind of want the right to be very serious and policy driven about lifestyle rightism.

00:03:57.740 Like there's these lifestyle brands out there and they're they're diluting things and they're making people unserious.

00:04:04.500 What do you think about that kind of criticism, people coming after, you know, people like yourself about the things you're doing?

00:04:12.100 I think a lot of people who make these criticisms don't really know what I'm talking about, and I don't think they've paid very much attention.

00:04:18.000 I think they they see the name Raw Egg Nationalist and, you know, maybe they see some of the things I post and they think, oh, it's it's it's not serious, but it's deadly serious.

00:04:27.800 And and, you know, I think I think that the health of individuals today is is should be a central plank, I think, of of any kind of new right.

00:04:41.260 I mean, I think it's I think it's a matter of national it's a matter of national importance.

00:04:46.720 It's a national imperative that that the people get healthy because a nation is only as healthy as the people of which it's composed.

00:04:56.140 And we are very, very sick today.

00:04:58.180 People are extremely unwell and it's a huge burden in so many different ways.

00:05:03.260 And it also prevents it also prevents effective political mobilization.

00:05:08.180 It prevents there being, I think, an effective, an effective alternative.

00:05:14.100 It prevents an effective alternative from emerging.

00:05:16.780 And so I don't think it's unserious at all.

00:05:19.980 In fact, I think it's it's something that's been neglected for too long by the right, as well as other things like environmentalism, for instance.

00:05:27.280 I mean, I'm a very, very, very strong advocate of environmentalism.

00:05:31.200 And I see no reason why conservatives shouldn't care about the environment.

00:05:35.660 I think that that really what this is actually is is is a big corrective for the right wing, for the conservative movement.

00:05:45.540 You know, we've ignored a lot of very, very serious problems for a long time.

00:05:48.880 And now now they're actually you know, they've reached the stage where they're actually quite disabling and we need to do something about it.

00:05:55.020 No, I agree.

00:05:56.740 And I think it's really important.

00:05:58.480 I know that, you know, when I'm taking care of myself and I'm in the gym and I'm working out, I think differently.

00:06:05.080 I carry myself differently.

00:06:06.540 I have a different mindset, different frame the way I see the world.

00:06:11.120 And it's so funny that so many of these people, often many of the people who are making these kind of comments are people who talk a game about how the right needs to maybe become less political or have, you know, other interests or its politics should come from a more spiritual or holistic place.

00:06:32.960 Which I think, you know, in many ways that's true, but it's so weird that they're so dismissive of one thing that I think pretty much all different cultures that are wise knew, which is that people who are healthy, who are taking themselves, carry themselves differently.

00:06:48.920 They think differently.

00:06:50.040 They apply different solutions.

00:06:51.400 And so if you change the health and clarify the thinking of many people, that will naturally bring them into alignment with a way of thinking that might also then better their political situation.

00:07:03.360 Yeah, no, I totally agree.

00:07:05.440 I totally agree.

00:07:06.400 And I mean, I think a lot of people just think that what I'm trying to tell people to do is just to just to eat large quantities of raw eggs and work out.

00:07:13.320 But I mean, if you read if you read my new book, The Eggs Benedict Option, then you'll see that actually I'm making a comprehensive argument about about breaking the corporate stranglehold on American life, for instance.

00:07:29.000 I'm talking about the Great Reset.

00:07:30.800 I'm talking about the sort of corporate capture of the globe or the planned corporate capture of the globe.

00:07:35.960 And I think that I think that we can well, we need to break the corporate capture of the food supply.

00:07:43.600 And I think that you could build a mass movement off the back of reclaiming reclaiming people's access to the to the life giving foods that our ancestors, our ancestors that made them strong.

00:07:56.800 So it's not you know, it's not it's not something that's individualistic or solipsistic or anything like that.

00:08:04.520 And I mean, I really do think that we could build a we could build a mass movement off the back of off the back of a campaign to improve the environment and to improve our access to to the right kinds of foods.

00:08:20.020 Absolutely. And I think, you know, we'll get some more into that as we go on.

00:08:23.760 But I want to go ahead and address the topic of the stream, you know, the geoengineering.

00:08:29.400 Now, the piece that you wrote about talked about the dangers of people who are kind of these climate change extremists who are very wealthy and trying to take matters into their own hands, which I think is very interesting because, of course, you just started the stream by talking about your interest in taking care of the environment.

00:08:48.080 So you're not approaching this from the position of, oh, we don't need to care about the environment.

00:08:53.300 These people are hippies. It's ridiculous. 0.99

00:08:56.040 It's not that you don't have concerns about caring for the planet, but you do raise some very alarming issues when it comes to the efforts that individuals are taking without any kind of real government oversight or any kind of understanding of the ramifications of what they might be doing.

00:09:14.320 And could you talk about a few of these examples of people kind of going rogue and taking this geoengineering into their own hands?

00:09:22.260 Yeah, of course. Of course. So the piece was inspired by the news that came out recently just just around about Christmas.

00:09:31.640 It was either just before Christmas or slightly after between Christmas and New Year.

00:09:36.800 An American startup called Make Sunsets announced that they had been they had done some trial launches of helium balloons in Mexico in April of last year.

00:09:49.640 And these helium balloons had been loaded with sulfur dioxide and let off, released off into the off into the sky to to sort of they would open up basically at a certain altitude and release the sulfur dioxide.

00:10:06.640 And the thinking was that this would that if this was done on a large scale, I mean, these were just test launches.

00:10:12.940 If this was done on a large scale, then what you could do is you could actually cool the climate.

00:10:18.480 So this was I mean, this was just a test test launch, but they'd done it with nobody's authorization.

00:10:25.200 And and as I say, it's a startup and they've got big plans.

00:10:28.800 They want to they want to get into this on a large scale.

00:10:33.820 They're crowdfunding. They have a website, makesunsets.com, where you can actually go and buy what they call cooling credits.

00:10:41.300 So you can pay for the sulfur dioxide that will go into these helium balloons that they're going to or that they want to release on a mass scale.

00:10:50.780 So this is this is, you know, pretty, pretty alarming.

00:10:55.920 And they've got nobody's authorization to do this.

00:10:59.100 They based the idea on a on a white paper that was published in 2018 that actually warned that people could do this kind of thing.

00:11:08.500 So the white paper was published as a warning and it said it was published by, I think, one of the schools at Harvard.

00:11:15.540 And it warned that ordinary people, you know, could could do this kind of thing without actually any great expenditure.

00:11:24.880 So you can buy a helium balloon, the kind of helium balloon that they used for not a lot of money.

00:11:30.540 And sulfur dioxide isn't expensive either.

00:11:33.160 And you could basically jerry-rig one of these sort of atmosphere altering balloons for maybe $60.

00:11:42.800 And the paper said, you know, if lots of people did this, then potentially you could actually alter the climate on a global scale.

00:11:51.160 One of the things that volcanoes release is sulfur dioxide.

00:11:54.980 So that's why sulfur dioxide was was chosen, because when volcanoes erupt, it has a cooling effect.

00:12:02.640 We all know this, you know, Mount Pinatuba, I think, which erupted in the Philippines in 1991, released 20 million tons of sulfur dioxide.

00:12:11.840 And that had a global cooling effect as a result.

00:12:15.420 So that's what they're trying to mimic, essentially.

00:12:19.840 But this isn't the first time that this has happened.

00:12:22.060 And this is the this is the very interesting thing.

00:12:24.240 So in I think it was when was it 20?

00:12:28.440 It was 2012.

00:12:30.040 This slightly mad American entrepreneur called Russ George sailed off off from somewhere like Vancouver out into the waters off British Columbia in a big ship with 100 tons of iron sulfate and dropped it in the sea.

00:12:47.180 And his thinking was that he would he would stimulate an artificial algal bloom off the coast.

00:12:55.280 And what that would do is increase fish stocks in the area because fish stocks were low and it was harming as well as as well as being a problem for biodiversity.

00:13:05.700 Then it was also a problem for the local indigenous people who lived who lived off the coast of British Columbia.

00:13:11.640 And his thinking was that you'd you'd you'd stimulate an algal bloom.

00:13:16.840 The fish would the fish would eat the algal bloom and then more of them would survive on the journey inland to spawn.

00:13:25.940 More fish would be born.

00:13:27.580 There'd be bigger, larger fish stocks and that would, you know, provide the native people with a with a greater chance of catching more fish.

00:13:35.260 And so they'd be better off.

00:13:36.680 And the other thing that it would do is that the the algae that weren't eaten by the fish would then sink to the bottom of the ocean storing carbon.

00:13:44.840 So it's like a carbon capture system as well.

00:13:48.080 Now, he'd actually been in consultation with the Canadian government beforehand for some years, I think.

00:13:55.000 And he'd he'd done some preliminary experiments on a very small scale.

00:13:59.160 But he didn't again, he didn't have any he didn't have any prior authorization to do this.

00:14:05.940 He was just sort of he just decided because he had money and because he could do it, that he was going to do it because he thought that it was, you know, that he would be doing something good for the environment.

00:14:15.600 There was a big scandal as soon as he came back to as soon as he came back to port and the Canadian government found out what he had done.

00:14:24.200 And they impounded the boat, I think, and they took his equipment and stuff like that.

00:14:28.140 And then when it when it finally got out, when the when the newspapers got a, you know, got wind of it, then environmental groups all lined up to to condemn him, largely, I think, because they were worried that actually he would give them a bad name.

00:14:43.120 But the but the interesting thing is the upshot was that although the Canadian government wanted to prosecute him, they couldn't find a law to do it under.

00:14:51.580 So he got away with it.

00:14:52.920 He got off scot free, this Russ George chap.

00:14:55.100 And in the intervening 10 years, there haven't been any there hasn't been any attempt whatsoever to try and prevent other people from doing what Russ George did.

00:15:04.760 And so we've ended up in a situation where now we've got this startup make sunsets doing basically the same thing.

00:15:11.080 And we're still as unprepared to deal with with it as as we were 10 years ago.

00:15:16.980 But the problem is that the technology that makes sunsets is using is incredibly cheap.

00:15:22.900 And this is something that I talk about in the article towards the end is the fact that we have to we should anticipate that extreme environmentalist groups will start doing this.

00:15:33.200 There's no reason. There's no reason there's no reason why they wouldn't.

00:15:36.980 Yeah, that was the part that I thought was really interesting in the piece is you you, of course, the plan, you know, to cool the earth.

00:15:45.260 We've had people like Bill Gates talking about blocking out the sun like a Bond villain.

00:15:50.140 Right. So this isn't the first time that rich people have thought about how they could possibly interfere with what's going on.

00:15:57.540 And as you pointed out there, there's really no legislation, not that anyone holds people like Bill Gates accountable for anything anyway at this point.

00:16:05.940 But there really is no infrastructure, no legal ramifications.

00:16:10.940 There's no way for people to restrict what's going on here.

00:16:14.440 And so as the climate hysteria builds and as it becomes easier and easier for people who maybe aren't mega billionaires to have access to technology that could do this kind of thing,

00:16:25.700 it really does seem like we're not super far away from the ability of some nut job who gets enough people together or, you know, crowd sources enough of this stuff or find some kind of ecological pressure point

00:16:39.700 and thinks that they can solve the world's problems by taking matters into their own hands.

00:16:44.540 And they can go ahead and, you know, enact one of these programs.

00:16:48.920 But having kind of no idea what the ramifications could be, everyone thinks that they're going to solve this one problem.

00:16:55.240 But for some reason, these people never seem to understand that these systems are far more interconnected than they could possibly imagine.

00:17:01.900 They just go ahead and take the action and damn the consequences. Right. 0.87

00:17:06.400 Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

00:17:07.980 And that's the thing is that these people will think, oh, the ends justify the means, of course.

00:17:12.900 And I talk in the piece about the fact that obviously climate change has the structure of a has a religious structure, essentially the climate change narrative.

00:17:22.480 And so you've got, you know, you've got the you've got the fall story.

00:17:26.360 You've got the you've got the theodicy, the meaning in the face of suffering.

00:17:30.400 You've got the the salvation or the route to salvation.

00:17:33.400 You've also got the eschatology.

00:17:35.740 You've got the, you know, the the approaching end time.

00:17:38.460 So, I mean, people, when they are when they are.

00:17:42.080 Well, we know that people, when they are when they are religiously motivated, will do just about anything.

00:17:48.140 And I think that that's no different with with climate change.

00:17:50.680 I think that we it is in many respects a doomsday, a doomsday cult.

00:17:55.600 And I think we should expect people to to behave like doomsday cultists do.

00:18:00.840 But the thing is, the thing is, nobody knows, nobody has any idea, actually, what this would do on a on a large scale.

00:18:10.480 So in the white paper that I talked about, the authors tried to estimate how many how many balloons it would take to lower the global temperatures by 0.1 degrees C.

00:18:23.240 And I think they said something like I think it's 100 million or 200 million.

00:18:29.000 But actually, I don't think it would be.

00:18:31.040 Well, I mean, we don't know.

00:18:32.100 That's just that's just, you know, that's just sort of speculation based on based on calculations of how much how much sulfur dioxide that would release.

00:18:41.600 And, you know, as an analogy with a volcanic eruption.

00:18:44.620 But the thing is that actually this isn't a volcanic eruption.

00:18:48.240 You know, it's OK.

00:18:49.180 It's similar to a volcanic eruption in certain ways, but it's also very different.

00:18:52.580 And so we don't actually have any way to know what would happen.

00:18:58.400 And that is actually that's the official position on geoengineering in general, is that while it might offer, you know, a very powerful tool for altering climate for good or for ill, then actually we just don't know.

00:19:14.540 There have been no large scale experiments.

00:19:16.160 So it's totally it's totally it's totally virgin territory.

00:19:21.020 And, you know, I mean, weather modification technology is something that has existed since at least the 1960s.

00:19:28.900 And that's something I go into a little bit in the article as well.

00:19:32.780 You know, I talk about the fact that in Vietnam, for instance, and, you know, the Americans, the Americans did all sorts of research into weather modification and actually were able to increase rainfall over the Ho Chi Minh trail by 30 percent.

00:19:51.220 As a means of trying to disrupt movement of movement of movement of personnel and material on the Ho Chi Minh trail.

00:19:59.080 So we've been we've been modifying the weather.

00:20:02.420 Yeah, certainly since the 1960s in a determined way.

00:20:06.080 But it's very different to it's one thing to modify the weather in a small region of or a region of an area, you know, a region of Asia.

00:20:15.700 And another thing to modify the climate.

00:20:19.180 I mean, the climate is not the weather.

00:20:21.320 So, yeah, it's totally I mean, we're totally this is this is totally new and nobody knows what's going to happen.

00:20:28.760 But I do think that we should definitely anticipate that people are going to do this.

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00:21:04.020 Yeah, I think that's correct.

00:21:05.460 And I think you're also correct to identify the climate change religion as kind of the eschatological module in the progressive memeplex.

00:21:17.060 There are many things to that faith, but I think it's the one that really does give them the vision of the end times and what needs to kind of occur there.

00:21:26.940 What's interesting also is the amount of kind of the general approach of social engineering or in this case, environmental engineering.

00:21:35.980 You know, we just saw a pandemic sweep the world that seemed and it seems very likely that that pandemic was, if unintentionally, engineered by people who think who thought they know knew what they were doing.

00:21:53.880 But despite this obvious devastating ramification, it seems like there's been no real pump on the brakes.

00:22:02.380 There's no lesson to learn here.

00:22:04.420 It seems like people are just bound to continue to think that they can control every aspect of whether you have a climate, the environment, human beings.

00:22:13.100 There seems to be no way to break the progressive faith in their ability to engineer humans, the environment and everything else around them, no matter how many times they cause utter devastation.

00:22:24.580 Yeah, yeah, it's a vicious circle.

00:22:30.120 It's a feedback loop.

00:22:31.800 And there doesn't seem to be any, as you say, there doesn't seem to be any way to interfere and break the loop.

00:22:36.840 I mean, I wrote a piece for National Pulse that came out today about molnupiravir, which is Merck's wonder drug, Merck's COVID wonder drug.

00:22:49.020 And there's just been a study released that suggests that this supposed wonder drug is now producing new variants of COVID.

00:22:58.200 Now, molnupiravir works by directly inducing mutations in the virus, right?

00:23:06.120 So it's quite amazing, really, that it was during a time when, you know, there was incredible anxiety about the emergence of new variants, that a drug that actually mutates the virus was given an emergency use authorization by the US, by the FDA, by the US government.

00:23:26.760 Right. And scientists at the time, very eminent scientists, including scientists on government panels, warned that this new drug had the potential to produce dangerous new variants, that it had the potential for unintended consequences.

00:23:44.960 And they were brushed off at the time. And now here we are, a year later, and it looks like it's been confirmed that actually the, this, this drug has done that.

00:23:58.400 And yeah, it's amazing. It's an, it's an allegory in a, in a sense for the entire experience of the, of the pandemic, you know, these, these consequences, some foreseen, others unforeseen, and we don't seem to have learned anything.

00:24:16.380 Yeah. And I think it just speaks to a whole, like, it feels like the entire progressive movement is based on this need to be able to engineer everything, right? It's all about, again, it's all about progress. And without the, the miracle and myth of modern progress, the whole thing falls apart. If you mean, if you can't immunize the Eschaton, if you can't manufacture utopia, then there's no reason to keep that coalition together. 0.63

00:24:42.420 And so even as we continue to see the severe drawbacks in so many different areas of life from this ideology of engineering, every solution we under, we seem to just, there's no way to stop it because it's essential for them to continue to move forward.

00:24:59.420 Now, one thing I talk a lot about is framing. And it's very interesting because like you said, at the beginning, you are someone who cares about the environment. You do think that environmentalism should be part of a right wing movement. It's a natural place for environmentalism to exist.

00:25:17.000 But we also can understand here this left wing stranglehold on the term. It's always really dangerous when the right attempts to adopt issues from the left because they almost always also adopt the framing of the left and then end up encouraging the points of the left.

00:25:34.360 So something I'm interested in is what do you think a right wing approach to environmentalism looks like that acknowledges the duties of people and the essential nature of taking care of the environment as someone of the right, but does so without feeding the hysteria and the religious nature of kind of these climate zealots?

00:25:57.140 Yeah, well, I think that what we have to do is we have to reclaim environmentalism from, or we have to separate environmentalism from all of this climate crisis stuff.

00:26:10.520 I think that that's the, I think that's the fundamental, the fundamental thing that we need to do, because you see a lot of, you see a lot of, of, that a lot of people on the right have, have totally given into, have totally given into the narrative.

00:26:25.860 They don't have anything else to offer, but actually, I think what we need to do is we need to root, we need to root environmentalism in local problems, because what we've done is we've, the thing about climate change is that because it's everywhere, it's nowhere.

00:26:42.640 So what that means, in a sense, is that we have to give up, because we are somewhere, because you're somewhere, because I'm somewhere as an individual, and because our communities are somewhere, then what we actually have to do is we have to surrender our agency to these supranational institutions.

00:27:01.640 We have to trust, we have to trust supranational bodies to deal with climate change, because actually it exists on a scale that none of us can really sort of comprehend or grasp.

00:27:12.440 Whereas actually, a lot of these, a lot of the problems that I think are really pressing, the kind of problems that Tucker Carlson highlights in The End of Men, for instance, the fertility crisis that's being caused by massive environmental pollution with chemicals like phthalates, PFAS, other endocrine disruptors.

00:27:33.840 You know, these are local problems, you know, these are local problems, you know, these are local problems, it's, it's your local river, it's your local lake, it's, it's the factory that is dumping effluent into the river, it's, it's the farmer who isn't, who isn't properly dealing with runoff.

00:27:50.520 It's all sorts of, it's all sorts of local stuff that actually, that actually people, if they thought of environmentalism in local terms, rather than just as this sort of planetary scale problem, then maybe they could get a better grasp on and maybe they could, maybe they could start to sort of mobilize themselves, you know, to sort out these problems, because they're not getting sorted out at the moment.

00:28:14.720 And actually, people don't even seem to, don't even really seem to have any awareness of them. There's just this one overriding existential problem, which is climate change. And the thing is that the rhetoric is just getting worse and worse. I mean, I've, I've written also for The American Mind about this insane new book by this woman called Gaia Vince, who is a World Economic Forum approved lunatic.

00:28:40.220 And it's called Nomad Century. And basically, she makes the argument that because climate change is going to take place unavoidably, it's, it's unavoidable now. And not only is it unavoidable, it's going to be catastrophic. Large portions of the globe, mainly the third world are going to become uninhabitable within the next few decades, I mean, maybe within 20 years.

00:29:07.860 So that means that billions, hundreds of millions, if not billions of people are going to have to migrate. And since that is foreseeable, what we need to do is we need to say to them, you've got to come here now, so that we can, you know, minimize their suffering as much as possible.

00:29:25.180 You know, so, so, so, and, and this is a narrative that is, that is definitely gaining, that is definitely gaining ground. I mean, it was, it was in evidence at the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos.

00:29:38.420 You heard Al Gore talking about the coming wave of billions of climate migrants who would make it, who would make it impossible for Western nations to govern themselves properly, said something about sort of like it would make it, I can't remember the exact words he used, but it was basically that our, our ability to self-govern would collapse under the weight of billions of people coming from the third world. 1.00

00:29:59.720 I mean, that's, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's a threat as much as anything else, but it's, yes, I mean, we, we need to, we need to reject the narrative. That's what we need to do.

00:30:12.240 And, and that's, there's a risk there. There's a risk there because a lot of people will think, oh, this is crazy. If you reject the climate change narrative, you know, you're, you're dooming, you're dooming the earth.

00:30:23.000 But the thing is, I don't see that there's any, I don't see that there's any other way to get to engage with it fruitfully. I think, I think once you start to engage with it, you're caught in it.

00:30:33.780 Um, but what, what, what I think conservatives need to say is, look, this is madness, but actually we do care about the environment. We do care about, um, the state of the planet. We should stop polluting as much as we are. We should be better stewards of the environment. We should, we should care about the air and the water and the land. Um, because most conservatives don't, most conservatives are totally indifferent to it.

00:30:57.760 Yeah, I, I think it's amazing. No matter what the issue is, the answer is always, uh, more migrants, right? Like that's, you know, you, you, oh, there's a fertility crisis. You're not, uh, you don't have below replacement birth rates, more migrants. Oh, there's a climate change crisis. Well, there's only one solution. You have to have more migrants. Well, there's a, you know, there's a labor shortage because corporations are unwilling to pay people a living wage. So they could, I don't know, have children and buy better food.

00:31:26.900 Well, there's only one solution. More migrants in your country, right? It's, it's, it's this amazing panacea that solves all problems for progressives. But I do like your answer a lot because, uh, you know, that, that localism, I think is a really, I think that's gotta be critical across all parts of a right-wing solution. But the, but for environmentalism, I think that's particularly good because for instance, I live in, in Florida and of course, waterways are a big deal here. 0.85

00:31:54.220 Water beaches, all that stuff is a huge part of the economy and the, and the lifestyle, just your day-to-day living. And there is a, uh, you know, river that runs through the area that was polluted because of actions taken by the government.

00:32:07.580 And because of that, there's just this horrible amount of fish death and everything in the area, the waterways were, were impassable. It was really horrible. And what you saw was, uh, a lot of people in the area from the left and the right, this broke political barriers.

00:32:22.860 Everyone came together and said, look, this is a specific problem affecting my community with a specific cause that we can trace directly and we can take specific action. And they were able to lobby the governor and get things changed and take action based directly on that thing.

00:32:40.000 And so by localizing the problem, not only are you making it actionable, you're taking it away. It doesn't, it's not, it's not climate change, some amorphous thing out in the middle of nowhere to donate money to.

00:32:51.800 It's a very specific problem with a very specific cause that everyone can rally to. And you can actually break down some of those political barriers because everybody has to live in this, you know, and, and all of a sudden conservatives and liberals are standing next to each other,

00:33:06.760 demanding a change that's necessary to better the environment and the lives of kind of everyone around them. So, so I think that, that localization is a really good point.

00:33:16.480 It also robs the left of these giant Leviathan entities or Leviathan problems that require Leviathan solutions, right?

00:33:25.900 The, the, one of the powers of the left is really just scaling things up to a point where no one can have accountability.

00:33:32.400 Everything is run by this kind of oligarchy, this bureaucratic diffuse power. No one can be held accountable. No one can actually show and produce results.

00:33:43.120 It all just kind of disappears into this, you know, this giant machine that no one really understands, but it's supposed to be the only solution to the problem.

00:33:53.880 But by taking it down, dismantling it and bringing it kind of into that local mindset, you really can change the trajectory of, of the way everyone's approaching this, which I think also feeds kind of in your point then about the food supply, right?

00:34:09.680 Because, because, because this really has an impact across every dimension of our life. These giant bureaucratic, massified organizations just handle everything and they always pull things to the left.

00:34:21.080 And so that's, I think, I think also applies to, you know, a good point I think you make about the food supply is getting it away from these massive corporations and again, bring it into a more local context where a more naturally right wing solution might emerge.

00:34:36.720 Yeah, I mean, we should be in no doubt what the, what the Great Reset is. I mean, the Great Reset, certainly in the domain of food, will involve the total corporate capture of the food supply.

00:34:50.020 I mean, that is, that is the only way that you are going to feed 10 billion people, which is the projected global population in 2050.

00:34:59.560 That's the only way that you're going to feed 10 billion people a plant-based diet.

00:35:02.920 That's what you need to do that is you need new genetically modified high yield grains and other crops.

00:35:12.800 So they will be patented and owned by corporations, just like the GMO crops are today, just like the crops that Monsanto owns and other companies.

00:35:24.400 There's the handful of other companies, five or six companies that totally monopolize the GMO seed market and the seed market in general.

00:35:33.580 And all of these novel forms of protein, plant-based meats, lab-grown meats, precision fermented products like fermented dairy and all that kind of stuff.

00:35:47.740 All of these processes can be owned, and that's why they're so attractive to corporations, because, you know, you can vertically integrate beef production right from the farm to the plate, essentially.

00:36:04.840 But there are certain things you can't own or that you can't patent, that you can't patent a cow, you can't patent an egg, but you can patent lab-grown beef and plant-based eggs, and that's what these companies are doing.

00:36:23.180 So the Great Reset way, the left's monolithic, or the globalist monolithic approach is, yes, is just to surrender control of the food supply to these totally unaccountable entities, which have already done so much to harm people.

00:36:44.280 I mean, that's the, you know, all you need to do is look at the history of the 20th century and the history of people's health and of what has happened to the food supply, and that should set alarm bells ringing.

00:37:00.480 I mean, these are the people who have made us sicker and unhealthier and unhappier and dependent on drugs in a way that we've never been before in our history.

00:37:11.520 And we're supposed to give everything over to them and expect them to look after us.

00:37:17.260 It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy.

00:37:19.500 But that is what they're advocating.

00:37:21.340 That is the future that they want.

00:37:23.000 If we end up totally giving up consumption of animal products, that is the future that we'll have in store for us.

00:37:33.740 Yeah, I think your point about the ability to patent something being a huge motivating factor is a really good one.

00:37:40.500 And I also wonder if the breakdown in supply lines is also a big part of this, right?

00:37:47.000 Kind of as they're building these massified structures, they also tend to be picking people not based on their aptitude necessarily.

00:37:57.520 And so we've seen in many different areas from, you know, transportation to all kinds of stuff that we're just not getting things where they need to be anymore.

00:38:08.020 And these, you know, the entire system is this just in time, you know, delivery.

00:38:12.360 And we're just we're no longer making this happen anymore.

00:38:15.920 And so the ability to kind of have these, you know, these plant produced, you know, patented foodstuffs like you're talking about means that maybe they can get people more calories over time.

00:38:28.340 I mean, if they're not particularly, you know, healthy, I wonder, I mean, you know, the guy who invented dwarf wheat, you've got a Nobel Prize for it.

00:38:36.640 Do you think that was the beginning of the end?

00:38:38.500 Is genetic engineering in the food stock always going to end with pushing the system and the planet kind of beyond its load bearing capacity?

00:38:48.640 Or are there ways that we can this can be done without necessarily corrupting kind of the people's healthy living?

00:38:58.860 Well, I mean, of course, we've always for a long time, we've practiced selective breeding and crossbreeding and things like that.

00:39:07.620 So we have we have, you know, we have been familiar with a kind of crude form of genetic engineering for a long time, but it's a but it's a much gentler form of genetic engineering with all sorts of built in fail safe devices.

00:39:25.520 You can only you can only intervene so much when you're trying to get two different animals to breed, you know, with two different animals with desirable characteristics.

00:39:35.760 It's not the same as creating a some kind of chemical or synthetic means to alter genes at directly, you know, at the level of base pairs.

00:39:49.540 That's that's something totally different.

00:39:51.320 And and again, like I was saying with the, you know, with the molnipiravir, this is we don't really know what we're doing.

00:39:57.280 This is this is virgin science.

00:39:59.000 And to think to think that what we might do is end up feeding everyone on the planet GMO food regularly, you know, so your diet would be full of GMO food all the time when we don't even really know what the long term consequences of consumption of genetic modified food are. 0.64

00:40:20.040 So it's it's it's reckless again, it's it's this it's this foolish, very foolish belief in naive belief in progress that is also bolstered by the potential to make huge amounts of money.

00:40:32.420 I mean, that's the that's the thing that we need to we also need to we also need to keep in our sight is that it's not simply a naive faith faith in progress. 0.69

00:40:43.480 It is also it is also making certain people a lot of money, genetic engineering, and it will offer the potential to, you know, transfer complete control of the food supply to corporations.

00:40:56.080 But I think I think I think that all of these technologies need to be need to be used in a very, very circumscribed manner.

00:41:07.800 And we need to we need to put the brakes on and we need to we need to to study them as much as possible, because there have there have already been incidents with genetic engineering.

00:41:20.060 I talk about one in the book in the eggs benedict option.

00:41:23.520 There was a there was a Japanese company called or there is a Japanese company called Showa Denko, which produced tryptophan.

00:41:32.360 So tryptophan is an amino acid.

00:41:33.840 They produce tryptophan supplements and you produce amino acid supplements basically using microbes in a big vat and you get them, you know, you feed you give them the food stuff and they produce amino acids that you then filter off.

00:41:48.000 So one day, and I think this was in the late 80s, maybe 88, 89, something like that, they decided to use genetically modified, crudely genetically modified bacteria that would produce more tryptophan, you know, per per whatever gram or kilogram of food that they were that they were given.

00:42:06.700 So they they did this and they didn't really tell anybody.

00:42:12.220 And then all of a sudden, people started developing this very, very, very, very, very rare neurological disease that killed, I think, killed dozens, maybe even hundreds of people eventually.

00:42:26.340 Anyway, they managed to figure out that it was that it was the tryptophan supplement that these people have been taking.

00:42:31.440 But Showa Denko managed to destroy the vats in which they created the supplement using these GMO bacteria. 0.53

00:42:44.100 So there was never a proper investigation.

00:42:46.180 But it just goes to show that actually we just don't understand enough yet to unleash this on a large scale.

00:42:54.940 And the potential the potential consequences could be, well, I mean, we don't know, but they could they could be they could be very, very bad indeed.

00:43:02.480 And we already know, for instance, with things like genetically modified canola.

00:43:07.480 So most canola oil is made using GMO plants in North America.

00:43:12.460 And that's one of one of many reasons not to consume canola oil.

00:43:16.120 But we already know from scientific studies that GM, the genes from genetically modified canola have already have already passed to wild varieties and to other plants via some kind of mechanism that we don't understand.

00:43:33.700 So, you know, I mean, yeah, we are in uncharted territory.

00:43:38.540 Sure. So speaking of, you know, corporations being able to control the entire food supply and these kind of unintended consequences, there was that story, of course, and we all know that eggs have just skyrocketed in price, especially in certain regions of America.

00:43:55.220 I don't I don't know what it's like over in the UK with eggs, but in America, it's gotten very wild.

00:44:00.460 And of course, there was that story that came out that many people believe that the the feed given to chickens by, I believe, Purdue is like the it was like the big manufacturer of that Purina Purina.

00:44:14.640 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. But they but they were impacting the ability of these chickens to lay.

00:44:21.920 And so many people who were expecting to rely on their own personal chickens in order to kind of supplement this this diet with the extreme costs of eggs.

00:44:32.280 Now, suddenly we're getting no eggs out of their chickens.

00:44:36.060 Do you lend any credence to that or or at the very least, I guess it speaks to the possibility of how having one central supplier company can just completely warp the food supply if someone wants to. Right.

00:44:48.820 Well, the interesting thing about this Purina feed is that it had been linked Purina feed had been linked to cow deaths before.

00:44:58.560 So, yeah, I mean, I certainly think it's a possibility.

00:45:02.400 I don't think that people are just making this up necessarily, but it's one of these things that just won't get investigated properly.

00:45:11.380 There's no you know, there's never any clarity about these things.

00:45:14.220 It's like all of these mysterious fires and incidents at chicken farms and food processing facilities that have taken place over the last three years.

00:45:24.420 I mean, there's a spreadsheet going around and there have been hundreds of them, hundreds of them.

00:45:29.560 And, you know, Tucker Carlson talked about this last Monday, I think, when he was talking about eggs.

00:45:34.380 You know, it's it's not even treated as a as a matter of a matter for investigation by the federal government.

00:45:41.880 And you think they would. You'd think that that ensuring adequate protection for the food supply, that ensuring the the sort of the integrity of the food supply would be what should be a matter of national priority.

00:45:57.960 And if there is something strange going on, if there are people potentially sabotaging the food supply in various different ways, then surely you'd want to do something about it.

00:46:07.060 But there's just just cricket so far, which is which is, you know, it's pretty it's pretty disheartening.

00:46:14.680 And you see. And the thing is, as well, that you actually see it.

00:46:17.860 You're seeing this kind of thing elsewhere.

00:46:19.380 It's not just in the U.S., although most of it seems to be happening in the U.S.

00:46:22.840 So there was a there was a huge fire in New Zealand last week at the nation's largest egg producing farm.

00:46:30.440 Seventy five thousand hens died.

00:46:32.220 And there's again, there's a there's an egg supply problem in New Zealand as well.

00:46:37.440 It all it all looks very suspicious.

00:46:40.760 And until but sadly, until somebody actually starts to look into these things properly, then we can only really speculate.

00:46:49.380 Yeah. And you hate that because obviously no one wants to be kooky.

00:46:53.060 No one wants to be out there just, you know, jumping at shadows.

00:46:56.220 But if there's one thing we've learned over the last few years, it's that the distance between a right wing conspiracy theory and a mainstream media headline is a few months.

00:47:04.980 Right. So, you know, you really have to you have to wonder in these scenarios.

00:47:08.840 And if people were doing their jobs, you wouldn't have to wonder.

00:47:11.080 But, of course, our security apparatus, you know, we have to hear, especially here in America, about the national security.

00:47:16.880 Everything's a matter of national security.

00:47:18.380 You know, they've got to chase down parents who are protesting at school board meetings because they don't want, you know, trans ideology taught to their kids.

00:47:26.520 Or, you know, we have to spend a bunch of time arresting people for making memes on the Internet.

00:47:31.060 Those are all key matters of national security.

00:47:34.460 But, you know, securing the food supply of the people living in the nation don't have time for it.

00:47:40.040 You know, the best we can do is speculate. Right.

00:47:41.720 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's a case of of of really quite twisted priorities, I think.

00:47:49.780 And yeah, I mean, again, this should this should be a political issue.

00:47:55.080 You could you could actually make a lot of political hay if you if you had a determined some determined people who really sort of pursued this as a, you know, as a as a line of political inquiry.

00:48:08.020 I mean, people would get behind it. I think that you could I think you could quite easily convince people that actually food is a national security issue.

00:48:16.640 Food is a is a is a is an issue of national priority.

00:48:20.860 I mean, you know, that happened in the 1950s when President Eisenhower had a heart attack that launched a huge campaign about heart disease, for instance.

00:48:34.980 You know, I mean, there's no there's no reason why the health of the nation can't be can't be a political issue.

00:48:42.400 It should be a political issue.

00:48:44.480 Yeah. You would think if you had any kind of real opposition to the globalists, you would you would have these kinds of things.

00:48:50.680 Right. Wouldn't be great to have actual opposition parties.

00:48:53.540 But you're exactly right that, you know, these most people, this is what really hits them.

00:48:59.600 Right. Their their their neighbor, their father, their their children, you know, they have bad health, they have poor health, they have expensive health care or they're dying from this kind of thing.

00:49:10.400 You know, people are having a much, much harder time affording food.

00:49:14.640 You know, the left loves to laugh this stuff.

00:49:16.460 Anytime the right brings it up, it's all the conspiracy theories.

00:49:19.320 Oh, what do you what are you talking about the price of milk?

00:49:21.840 You know, do you remember that when the White House was mocking people for wanting to be able to afford milk?

00:49:28.640 And now we're in this scenario where everyone's budget is just getting completely destroyed due to food costs.

00:49:34.760 This should, like you said, be a very easy should be a softball for any people who really wanted to get serious about, you know, making a political hay and actually making gains in this kind of area.

00:49:45.980 But for some reason, you know, it just never seems to get any traction from the political parties that are supposed to actually be supplying, you know, some kind of opposition to what's going on.

00:49:56.620 But guys, we're going to be wrapping up here soon.

00:49:59.640 If you have any questions for myself or the raw egg nationalists, now is a good time to go ahead and get them in.

00:50:05.260 But before we part ways, I wanted to ask you, you know, I know you've got all kinds of health advice and people, you know, we'll talk about where they can find all your your your work here soon.

00:50:16.340 But for people who are wanting to eat healthier, what are maybe like three top things that they should be looking out for when they're thinking about what they're eating, where they're getting their food, those kind of things?

00:50:31.840 Well, I think increasingly, I think that the best thing, the best intervention you can make, the first thing you should do is cut out processed food.

00:50:41.640 Processed food is just terrible for you.

00:50:45.060 And it and it contains all sorts of all sorts of horrible, horrible things like vegetable oil, huge amounts of of of hidden sugars, high fructose corn syrup.

00:50:56.280 And that's before you even before you even get on to the flavorings and colorings and, you know, artificial compounds.

00:51:06.540 So processed food, people eat a lot of processed food.

00:51:10.520 You know, people eat a significant a significant amount of people's calories daily come from processed food.

00:51:16.520 So from pre-made food that you buy that's in plastic wrapping, that's the best way to describe processed food generally.

00:51:22.740 If you can, if you can, if you can cut out processed food as much as possible, if not entirely, and start to cook and prepare your own food yourself using fresh whole ingredients,

00:51:38.740 then you will you will have gone a long way towards sorting out your health.

00:51:45.040 That's those those two things definitely, I think, are maybe the first two things that you should do.

00:51:51.680 Cut out processed food and start preparing all or as much of your food yourself as possible.

00:51:58.800 The third thing I suppose you ought to do is you ought to really try to focus your diet on nutrient dense animal foods.

00:52:10.540 So I know things like liver aren't and organs aren't particularly palatable, but if you can consume maybe a little bit of liver once a week,

00:52:22.980 if you can stomach it, if you can stomach it, and in fact, if you learn how to cook, you can make liver very palatable.

00:52:27.960 So that's another reason why you should learn to cook, because actually you can make these you can make these nutrient dense animal foods much more palatable.

00:52:36.160 But eggs, certainly eggs are incredibly palatable, fattier cuts of meat, dairy, of course, dairy, dairy is dairy is good quality dairy, we're talking good quality dairy.

00:52:49.780 Then, you know, you're you're back on you're back on track, basically with the way that your ancestors used to eat.

00:52:57.020 And that's really that's really what we should all be doing.

00:53:00.840 We should all be trying to eat much more in the manner of our ancestors than we do today.

00:53:07.780 Yeah, I'm from the south.

00:53:09.180 So we do have liver and onions, but, you know, they bread it and fry it beforehand.

00:53:12.560 So that might not be the optimum preparation for liver, but it is a good way to get it down if you're trying to to do that.

00:53:20.200 All right, guys.

00:53:21.060 Well, we really appreciate everyone coming by.

00:53:24.660 Rug Nationalists, where can everyone find your work? 1.00

00:53:27.020 I know you've got a lot going on.

00:53:28.340 So just go ahead and tell people what they should be looking for.

00:53:32.000 So go to raw egg nationalists dot com, which has links to all of my all of my work and media appearances, all that kind of stuff.

00:53:41.920 I'm on Twitter.

00:53:42.980 I'm at baby gravy nine and man's world, the magazine that I produce that has a website as well.

00:53:50.780 That's man's world mag dot org.

00:53:53.580 So between those three places, you should be able to keep up with everything that I do.

00:53:58.800 Absolutely.

00:53:59.380 And yeah, I've got I've got an article somewhere in that back catalog.

00:54:02.040 So make sure that you check that out, guys.

00:54:05.160 All right.

00:54:05.640 Well, again, I want to thank raw egg nationalists.

00:54:08.220 I want to thank everybody who came by today.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - February 09, 2023

The Dangerous Geoengineering Revolution ｜ Guest： Raw Egg Nationalist ｜ 2⧸9⧸23

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