Roger Lynch is back on The Oren Spector Show! He's back to discuss the political assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk, and how it changed his outlook on the future of the country. Plus, he shares his thoughts on the recent events that have occurred since the Kirk assassination.
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00:01:08.160All right, guys, we obviously have had about a year since my guest was here last.
00:01:15.200And he made some really important predictions, ones that I think have probably altered somewhat since the events that have occurred, especially around Charlie Kirk and everything that came after his assassination.
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00:01:34.100Roger Lynch, thank you so much for coming on, man.
00:01:40.460Like I said, you're somebody who spends a lot of time, got a very popular YouTube channel discussing how civilizations work and how they come apart.
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00:03:12.000So, Richard, last time you were on, you made a prediction that if Trump was elected, we would see as many as 1,000 political assassinations before May.
00:03:23.400I think you said you had something writing on that.
00:03:27.040But interestingly, while we didn't get the magnitude of what you were talking about, the political assassination we got almost feels like 1,000.
00:03:35.880It feels like it was incredibly critical, especially to the integrity of the conservative movement as we kind of see the aftermath spinning out from what happened with Charlie Kirk's death.
00:03:47.600So I guess my first question would be, why do you think we didn't get the level of violence you expected?
00:03:54.340But why was the violence we got so important?
00:03:57.320I was demonstratively incorrect, and I'll start with that, and I don't feel bad about that, though.
00:04:06.080In retrospect, when I look back on it, I think I was making a reasonable calculation.
00:04:11.400I just turned out to be wrong because I've been trying to figure out what really went wrong, where in the last year it's been quite strange,
00:04:22.600where it's as if the global system keeps fraying and the elites are making the decision they'd rather have complete social breakdown
00:04:33.440than try to stop the process to hold more of the pie, if that makes sense,
00:04:39.160where I think we've seen a progressive breakdown of the society in the last year,
00:04:45.000and we've seen the mainstream right-wing elites or the boomer cons not really being willing to take a stand here,
00:04:54.520and also just the centripetal entropy of the system is stopping changes.
00:05:01.060And it's strange that I go on a lot of these podcasts, and a year is a long time in the Internet's world,
00:05:07.680but in the grand scheme of history, a year is absolutely nothing.
00:05:11.140And so because my background's in history, if this happens five years late, that will be a short period of time.
00:05:19.500But I do still believe the things I said earlier, and I think what's going to happen is the system will inevitably break,
00:05:28.300and every year we forestall it, the amount of unsolved issues piles up and up.
00:05:34.980Yeah, I agree that a lot of the things you were pointing to are issues that have simply not been resolved.
00:05:43.980And if they're not resolved, the pressure must build.
00:05:47.080So simply because it didn't blow up today doesn't mean it won't.
00:05:50.840You know, the jack-in-the-box will eventually pop, right?
00:05:53.300If you guess the wrong crank turn at which it comes out of the box, okay, you were wrong about that.
00:05:59.240But the truth is eventually the crank will hit the spot where it comes out of the box.
00:06:04.380And so I think anytime you're making predictions, as you say, especially ones that are based on historical analysis,
00:06:10.660the tighter you make those predictions, the tighter the timeline is, the harder it is to nail it down.
00:06:15.960The trends are more observable over time.
00:06:18.660And interestingly enough, I did not expect the amount of violence you did,
00:06:22.460but I certainly expected more violence than we got initially, right?
00:06:25.900You know, I looked at all of these people saying Trump is a fascist, Trump is Hitler.
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00:23:43.520Where I sort of knew the internet was that bad because I hear these reverberations too.
00:23:49.280I also see how bloodthirsty the audience is.
00:23:51.960But Charlie Kirk really showed that where even moderate leftists,
00:23:57.160they were okay with it or they openly defended it.
00:24:05.260And that makes you see the world very differently than at least half of this nation openly wants you dead.
00:24:13.060And it's been depressing to look at the last year of the right because sort of the strategic deck we had
00:24:20.400with this last election was pretty good.
00:24:22.720Trump had MAGA, you had Elon bringing in the tech guys, and you had the – then you had also the RFK disenchanted Democrats.
00:24:35.580The problem is that the boomer cons are still fundamentally blue-pilled.
00:24:40.920They cannot imagine a world where the left does not dominate society because they've lived in that their entire lives.
00:24:48.720And so when Petal came to the middle, the boomer cons were too complacent and decadent to do anything.
00:24:55.220And the issue with the internet right is it's just acidic.
00:25:00.560And it's kind of disgusting to watch where you look at the Groypers.
00:25:04.380And the Groypers have been such an issue for any conservative coalition building because they attack any policies that would work.
00:25:11.520They're straw men for the least popular defensible positions, and they're sort of an acid to coalition building.
00:25:19.220So you have the decadent boomer cons, and you have a lot of acidic internet conservatism.
00:25:25.480And then you have a total lack of mechanisms of power.
00:25:34.220And mechanisms of power is a concept I have from – there's a four-volume political history of – history of political power.
00:25:40.800And a mechanism of power is do we have a consistent institution that allows you to operate over fields over time?
00:25:57.620I mean, I explain that poorly, but what I tell people is the number one thing that a wealthy patron could do for the conservative movement is just to pay for young, smart conservatives to not starve, that they're not dependent on the leftist managerial system because there's millions of paid Democrats and about 10,000 paid Republicans.
00:26:16.980And what that means is that if you're a paid Democrat, your entire life is pushing this, and so they amass a significant amount of cultural power.
00:26:26.020And what we realized was the rights lack of leadership institutions and mechanisms of power meant that even though we had a really good hand with control of the executive, the legislative, and the judicial, you didn't have the ability to really enforce change on a long-term basis.
00:26:50.300So, we just found out that Crooks, the attempted assassin of Donald Trump, was big into, like, furry, online, deviant art stuff.
00:27:10.020Of course, we also know Tyler Robinson was in this furry, gay relationship, trans relationship.
00:27:16.300And, of course, we've had two churches shot up by trans shooters in the last year.
00:27:26.200And so, we have this scenario where it's very obvious that there is a pipeline of leftist violence occurring here.
00:27:33.840To some extent, the Trump administration has acknowledged that.
00:27:37.380The good news is they just named Antifa a foreign terrorist group so they can expand the amount of power to go after them, chase down these mechanisms that kind of fund and feed into this.
00:27:48.420But ultimately, this is a sickness of the soul.
00:27:51.220Like, it's very clear that these, yes, these men are being radicalized by online leftist propaganda.
00:27:57.800And that process is being intentionally funded by, I think, larger forces.
00:28:03.640But we also have a truly spiritual issue.
00:28:07.320And the fact that, you know, these guys, many people have called them the tranissaries of, you know, kind of the system now.
00:28:14.860These are, you know, the violent assassins, you know, kind of castrated by their trans obsession and then sit out in the world to do violence on behalf of the regime.
00:28:25.580This kind of really effective process of turning these people into kind of violent agents of the left.
00:28:33.760Do you see the left ever recognizing the danger of that?
00:28:39.200And is there any way, will simply ending Antifa funding these kind of things, will that ultimately dissuade that?
00:28:48.700Are these the last men that have just gone completely the other direction where they don't sublimate themselves to the system?
00:28:55.080And they would just rather spin out and just kill everyone who they've been told is to blame for where they are as last men rather than just, you know, kind of fade into the background and get their little pleasures.
00:29:06.180In the in the longhouse cultures of Southeast Asia and the Pacific Islanders, they all most as far as I can tell, and the anthropology is not very good.
00:29:15.940And they all practice headhunting because in the longhouse cultures where the den mother watches all the young men, some young men go crazy and take the pickled heads of their enemies.
00:29:27.360And so I see it as a sort of similar phenomena where or in the ancient Sibeli cult that worshiped the devouring mother goddess of ancient Middle East and Turkey and whatever.
00:29:41.120Um, the priests of Sibeli would crush their own testicles for the mother goddess.
00:29:45.260And so I see it as sort of an archetypal similarity that once you worship the castrating mother goddess, you have, you end up with these weird sort of degenerate, uh, satanic priests.
00:29:58.120Interesting. Yeah, no, I could definitely, I could definitely see how that would build.
00:30:02.440Yeah, you, you kind of have this scenario where the only system that's presented to them is this orientation on the hyper feminine on the longhouse.
00:30:10.140And so, you know, rather than even exist inside of it, they don't know how to fight back against it.
00:30:15.060So they just kind of self immolate as a offering to, uh, to this goddess.
00:30:19.560That is an interesting way to look at it.
00:30:21.700And I think probably has some serious truth in it.
00:30:24.720Well, one of the things that is, or did you have more say on that one?
00:30:27.820There's something I'll throw in there as well.
00:30:29.640And I, I was considering bringing this up, but I was waiting till you would, but, um,
00:30:34.800the modern frame is so broken from historic norms that people don't even know what they're looking at.
00:30:44.100And I find Christians are basically the only demographic that has their own distinct moral access that they can morally judge the society because Christians are the only people in, in modern America by and large is a demographic who have some remnants of a pre-modern worldview.
00:31:01.280And Christianity has its own moral compass and access that exists independent from the society because the society's moral access is basically everything's permissible as long as you don't physically hurt someone.
00:31:15.240And, um, what that leaves out is that we are staggeringly immoral through not doing things.
00:31:22.880There's the morality of not doing things.
00:31:25.200And there's the morality of doing things.
00:31:27.420And, um, we're a society where letting your entire people die is the moral thing to do.
00:31:34.480And from an earlier moral frame, that's staggeringly immoral.
00:31:38.520Same thing as selling your soul to the machine, a variety of things, but people can't really see outside of our bubble, um, because they're so taken in by it.
00:31:52.280You know, I'm glad you just mentioned that because of course, you know, a lot of things that people will talk about when it comes to the genius of the American system and those kinds of things is that we have negative rights, right?
00:32:03.480These are things that the government must not do to you and, but, but positive rights are the problem, right?
00:32:08.560Duties that the government has, those are issues and things we try to avoid.
00:32:13.600And in a way that makes sense, but at the same time, it also, I think makes people miss what virtue is about, because as you point out, virtue is about action, not lack of action.
00:32:24.700Like, yeah, emotional continents and these kinds of things are about not spurging out and screaming and, or, you know, doing whatever, but there's also affirmative goods, things, you roles, you must fill in order to reach your telos, to achieve virtue in your role.
00:32:40.020And so when you live in a society where all of the values are about what you shouldn't do and just negation and just that, you know, you have those negative rights, but rarely encodes an affirmative, uh, you know, we need to take this action, this role, this virtue forward.
00:32:59.620Then, yeah, you do kind of create this scenario, this particularly liberal scenario, uh, where, yeah, you don't have any kind of transcendent tie to ground you in history and to other people who lived in what would be a more classic virtue ethics type, uh, centered society.
00:33:18.940And so you lose that frame. So there's nothing, which I think is why even in amongst Christianity, and I say this as an evangelical, we are getting a lot more people who are looking for, you know, pre-modern Christianity.
00:33:32.360They're looking for, uh, you know, Catholicism or even more really, I think, orthodoxy because of its mysticism.
00:33:39.780And these, these are kind of the less, uh, they're, they're less touched by modernity in a way, though I would argue Catholicism is currently facing quite an issue with that as well.
00:33:50.360Uh, but, but we can kind of tell that that's ultimately what people are yearning for, even in, even inside the Protestant world, it's more people looking at like reformed Protestant Christianity,
00:34:01.380as opposed to kind of like mega church evangelicalism, because no matter what strain you're looking at, they're all kind of trying to find that Christianity that does have that transcendent tie and that historical tie and is not completely corrupted by kind of modernity and its processes.
00:34:18.400I think something was really lost in the switch from pre-modern to modern Christianity with trying to make Christianity into a rational ethical code rather than a spiritual path.
00:34:30.020Because I read this book from this Russian world war one era author, and he said, the thing you have to understand about Christianity is it's actually about God and it's actually about the spiritual element.
00:34:41.360And he explained, he explained it to that lens.
00:34:43.480And I thought, wait, that makes sense.
00:34:46.100And it totally reprograms all of the modernist ideals in the topic between, uh, the, so the reason that in the pre-modern world that you could have Christian societies that had relentless class oppression.
00:35:00.000And had colonies and had colonies and that stuff is they hadn't mentally tried to convert Christianity into a secular moral code.
00:35:08.680And the issue that, um, people are sort of mentally wrapping their minds around is modernity actively basically beats people from their, from the cradle onwards to not think in mythic terms.
00:35:24.660And so you're having people whose neurology wasn't trained for this, trying to grasp for a basic human biological need that's been denied to their entire society.
00:35:35.300And so they're sort of like grappling around.
00:35:37.280And so as an example, I know a lot of people who are into Greek Orthodoxy who are normal American, uh, they're not ethnically Orthodox people.
00:35:46.040And it's because Greek Orthodoxy has this sort of thing they're trying to reach to a greater degree than the Western churches.
00:35:53.260But the Greek Orthodox church was not the church of St. Augustine where people would see a relic and then just start spasming with sort of divine ecstasy.
00:36:02.900That's something you can read about in earlier societies, but is very rare today.
00:36:07.160Yeah, no, I, I, I like the, uh, very specific, you know, that it's about God, not about a moral code.
00:36:14.420You, you can really feel the, you know, Immanuel Kant and his consequences have been a disaster.
00:36:19.380Uh, uh, you know, that, the, the need to try to turn everything into a categorical imperative.
00:36:24.320There's some objective system where that's what really Christianity is valuable as is this rational system of ethical codes rather than, you know, being a real religion tied to the metaphysical truth.
00:36:35.100Um, and that, and that is of course, as you point out why people are, are especially looking at Orthodoxy because it does allow for that mysticism that has been driven out of, of most Western Christianity.
00:36:46.600Another issue that you and I talked about previously that is recirculated back into the news has been the ability of young men to start families and have houses.
00:36:57.740And Donald Trump famously talked about the 50 year mortgage here recently, uh, which had a lot of people, including conservatives, uh, pretty upset.
00:37:07.340Now, at some level, you understand what he's trying to do.
00:37:10.000Well, if I get the payment long enough, they can afford the, or if I get the, the, the loan long enough, the payment will go down enough to be affordable.
00:37:17.360And then people can own houses, but obviously if you are looking at this from anything, but like a purely financial metric, you realize that this is a disastrous way to live, you know, being tied to this debt for basically your entire life.
00:37:30.000And if you've got a house at 30, probably dying before you actually pay off the house, uh, some people have said, you know, this is basically like neo-feudalism.
00:37:38.900Uh, what do you think about this approach?
00:37:41.860Is there any saving the housing market?
00:37:44.260Is there any way beyond, beyond the 50 year old year mortgage we could actually fix this problem?
00:37:49.600I mean, I've made my own suggestions, but it seems bizarre to me that this is the one the Trump administration went to and not more mass deportations, not, you know, keeping corporations from buying up.
00:38:00.740Why, why, why this particular solution?
00:38:03.440So there's a series of sort of different crystallizing events going on here that no one has words for.
00:38:10.320And so that's, it's going to be difficult to articulate.
00:38:13.360One of which is that the economy is almost entirely artificial.
00:38:17.160It's really a wonder that the economy has made it this far and the housing markets have, because almost any metric you'd look at besides total GDP or the stock market has collapsed precipitously.
00:38:28.300Um, and the reasoning is the government can just print infinite money and it's, the entire global order is a shared bluff.
00:38:37.460Um, and so they've, they're maintaining the bluff.
00:38:40.520And so you have these weird outsized effects like the 50 year loan.
00:38:44.720And another thing as well is I think, and this is something I only realized in the last few months, most people today's identity is purely based off social status.
00:38:59.280They need to work extra hours because that's their identity and they don't have another reset button.
00:39:04.920And so you see these sort of status spirals get out of control because there's no reset button and, um, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's not a good situation.
00:39:19.460And I, I, I, I don't think this can last another year because next year, the interest on our debt is going to be more than defense and Medicare combined.
00:39:30.620Yeah, it's one of those things where it, you know, this is, this is one of those problems where, uh, you know, the, the libertarians are right, but they don't understand the implications of their own being right.
00:39:44.240So you're, you're absolutely correct that the, you know, the, the debt, uh, financing, our whole economy is fake, you know, inflated money, uh, markets are completely artificial at this point.
00:39:54.980These are all things that are absolutely true.
00:39:57.320And so, you know, kind of the libertarian ideas, well, we just kind of cut these things back and everything kind of right itself, but honestly, you can't cut these things back without basically having an armed revolution, right?
00:40:09.600So our problems are increasingly regime complete, right?
00:40:13.160Like every aspect of them is woven into every other aspect, holding up this kind of Fugazi that we're all, uh, pretending is, is, is a real system that we should follow.
00:40:23.660So, and, you know, Oswald Spangler, of course, of course, talks about this in his cycles of civilizations.
00:40:28.520You know, this is the time of money power.
00:40:31.840This is the time where, uh, people are trapped in these extended abstract, uh, decisions.
00:40:39.220Your, your late civilizational phase is one in which the animating spirit is gone.
00:40:43.580And the only thing left is those like rigid moral systems that we talked about instead of the, you know, the animating religion itself.
00:40:50.660And his solution, the one he believes is, is inevitable is, you know, the great man of history, the Caesar, the, the, the, the, the conqueror that breaks through the money power situation.
00:41:03.220And the more you look at things, it's hard to deny that that doesn't there seem, because if you look, for instance, Elon Musk just went back on his H1B force again.
00:41:13.280This is a guy who has talked about how demographics are destiny and, and you can't let mass immigration take over Europe and all these things.
00:41:21.020But for some reason, every time it's, it's time to solve a problem, the solution is more managerialism, more H1Bs, more placement migration.
00:41:30.460But he, it's like, he, he knows there's a problem to his own solutions, but he can't think of any other type of solution because that's just the way a man who has made his living and been, you know, rose to power in that way.
00:41:45.020That's the only way he can address issues and problems.
00:41:48.260Do you think that ultimately we have to break out of this frame?
00:41:53.580Is there any way to step off of this road or find another solution to this problem?
00:41:59.480I think Sam Francis covered this well, um, and with Leviathan and his enemies, he said the end point of the Leviathan would be Caesarism.
00:42:07.480Um, and I, I agree, Amori de Riancourt is a similar author who wrote a book comparing this cycle to the fall of the Roman Republic in the fifties.
00:42:17.340Um, it's, there's a staggering absence of imagination today.
00:42:22.540Um, and I think that's because imagination is sort of, it's dependent on a kind of connection to the spiritual and the divine that we've utterly suppressed.
00:42:33.900And I say that in a more sort of broad sense than the way in Abrahamic culture would.
00:42:38.900If you go to ancient Greece or India, there's these ideas, these sort of like different types of consciousness, consciousness you pull from, but in modernity, we've shut ourselves off from anything that's not very material.
00:42:49.180So that makes creativity nigh impossible.
00:42:51.600And so it's really staggering that we are a civilization, which is very obviously dying and we can't even imagine not dying because this is entirely self-enforced a century ago.
00:43:06.300It was the greatest civilization ever.
00:43:08.620And it lost due to its lack of any sort of, um, I don't even know what word to use, but we, we, we, we did this to ourselves and we lack so little imagination.
00:43:24.040We can't even imagine a world where we don't die.
00:43:27.020So there's this sense of inevitability to this, to a profoundly non-inevitable thing.
00:43:32.460And this is one of the parts I find most deeply frustrating that all of this was utterly self-enforced that this was, if we look for what caused this failure of Western civilization, yes, you could say there was Soviet infiltration.
00:43:48.600You could say there are certain interest groups, but fundamentally this was brought on us by us.
00:43:56.720Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth to that.
00:43:58.840I mean, is there, is it, uh, some level, the hyperstition problem where the more we speak about it, the more we make it inevitable, we summon it into existence.
00:44:07.100What we're, we're the perennialists, right?
00:44:09.480That simply civilizations must move through this life cycle.
00:44:12.820And that's, even though there's no obvious external cause as to why we should be arriving at this point, we've kind of just hit the internal trigger, you know, in, in the same way that every plant eventually dies and, you know, wilts and dies.
00:44:25.100Like it was, was this truly inevitable?
00:44:30.140As you say, if it, if it is actually imminently avoidable or have we set ourselves too dark, far down this path, whether it's our fault or not, is there just no turning back at this point?
00:44:40.180I made a quote saying, um, you're going to die anyway, so it's better to die rich than poor.
00:44:44.580And, uh, what I mean by that is that all life forms die, humans die, nations die.
00:44:51.720Um, but, uh, you, you can do more stuff before you die and that's largely good.
00:44:57.280Uh, and, um, you look at these historic cycles with a 250 year cycle for empires rising and falling start of the British empire was 1750 and was 1950.
00:45:07.540The Arabs started under Mohammed in 650.
00:45:29.780They made a lot of references to classical authors who definitely knew this stuff.
00:45:33.320And so the founders knew that they were operating sort of in time and this wouldn't last forever.
00:45:39.960And they were complete geniuses at structuring the American Republic in a decentralized way so that at the time of the revolution, we could have split up into a series of independent countries.
00:45:54.260Pennsylvania and Virginia could have had 50 years of wars over the West, but they didn't because the founders were able to fuse the country together.
00:46:02.700And so rather than fighting each other and fizzling out in the great plains, the Americans made it to Afghanistan and Japan and Somalia and became the de facto, um, rulers of most of Europe.
00:46:15.700And that's very impressive, but it's interesting how the natural order has its own aims and it uses your best advantages against you.
00:46:25.380And it's really stark because I'm Gen Z, so I'm pretty young, but, uh, I've seen this happen to me in my real life where two thousands, we were such a staggeringly arrogant and self-satisfied society.
00:46:40.420But then all of our advantages were turned against us, our huge systems, our interconnected global, um, trade networks, the urbanization, all of those things were turned against us.
00:46:54.400So now we have a society where the urban populations are the ones who can't procreate the cities were our great pride and advantage before, but that very same thing was turned against us.
00:47:06.860So we're next year will be 250 years since the American revolution.
00:47:12.120We had the full cycle, but because we were so rich and successful, the natural order turned our best advantage against us.
00:47:20.400So we still hit the 250 years and that's both confusing and sort of warped, but it also fits with just what you know about history.
00:47:32.920And it's also, again, what Spangler predicted that, that is, you know, the, the cities, you know, the, in order for the people to, to be reanimated, to, to become vigorous, to become metaphysically connected again, they have to return to the land.
00:47:46.520The cities are, are kind of the, in the, you know, for Spangler, the cities are where the civilization dies.
00:47:55.240Uh, and so, uh, I guess if you look in, in those cycles, it's not particularly surprising ultimately that, that advantage while powerful kind of inevitably seems to draw us towards, uh, an end that we're seeing now.
00:48:08.520Well, uh, I think we've provided a lot of hope, a lot of white pills here today.
00:48:13.560I think we've told everybody, uh, the best they can, uh, maybe we should do, we should do the classic move there.
00:48:19.640I know you kind of spoke on it and I agree with this as well.
00:48:21.960You know, you should die with your boots on, right?
00:48:23.640Like if everything's going to die eventually.
00:48:25.860And so the key is to be the greatest, to be, uh, you know, to, to achieve the most, uh, to be the most virtuous in the time that you have to spend.
00:48:34.080And so, you know, whether, whether you think the United States is doomed or not, uh, you as an individual should be going out and achieving the most you can and living the best life you can.
00:48:44.160But do you have, do you have any hope?
00:48:46.580Do you have any positive things to lend to, uh, people watching today that you might see on the horizon?
00:48:51.460I'm glad I offered white pills because I gave black ones last time, but that's just sort of the arc.
00:48:56.280You have to black pill them first and white pill them later.
00:48:58.840But, um, one of my mom's quotes was, um, life is like riding a horse and it's your duty to die in the saddle.
00:49:05.080Um, and it's, uh, any bad situation, you can sort of turn to your favor where you look at a figure like St. Augustine who grew up and came of age during the fall of Rome.
00:49:23.260Um, even in North Africa, there were the Vandal barbarians who were tearing up, uh, the region and he wrote the city of God as a way to create a continuity with the fall of Rome because the collapse of the society created this huge spiritual void.
00:49:41.560So that's the worst possible condition.
00:50:06.940And this is why I think so many people are pushing localism, pushing the idea of scaling down community, finding the people that you can work with and together build a future, uh, you know, whether any times that might may come.
00:50:20.220And so this is, there is no excuse to not be doing that, sitting around and waiting for Donald Trump or JD Vance or someone else to save you is a fool's error.
00:50:30.480And maybe, maybe they will, maybe our great man of history will come in and save us all.
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