In this episode, Oren McInnes talks about the growing trend of school choice programs across the country, and why he thinks it s a good thing. He also discusses what the end of mass public education in the United States might mean for the future of our children.
00:02:41.420And ultimately, how can we shift the responsibility of education in the United States?
00:02:46.360How can we transform the way that we think about education so that we end up with a generation that is not raised by public school teachers that hate them,
00:02:57.240that teach them to hate their parents, hate their culture, hate their religion, hate the color of their skin,
00:03:02.960people who are ultimately looking to destroy the American way of life?
00:03:07.240How can we shift students out of the custody of these type of employees and instead place it in the hands of people who truly care about them,
00:03:17.620who truly can focus on who they can be, what they should become, and what a good society looks like?
00:03:22.960We'll be diving into all of that, guys.
00:03:24.800But before we do, let me tell you a little bit about our sponsor today, ISI.
00:03:29.340Universities today aren't just neglecting real education.
00:07:11.220And so I think it's important to recognize that, you know, just like an institution like the U.S. military, okay, the ideology has gone woke at this point.
00:07:20.600Sadly, there are many people at this point in the military left who just collect a paycheck or are there for other reasons.
00:07:28.060But there are still a core of patriotic people who really are serving their country, defending their country, sacrificing on behalf of their country.
00:07:36.640I don't want to equate the two at all here.
00:07:38.240But I do want to say that there are people who are still inside the system who genuinely care about the students, are making sacrifices on their behalf, are fighting for what they see as the future of the United States.
00:07:50.840And it should be said at the outset that these people exist.
00:07:54.400And so, you know, we're not just dismantling the public school system out of glee to, like, spite all of these teachers, but understanding that ultimately that the system is failing the teachers left in the system that do want to educate kids and do care about educating kids.
00:08:10.540They are victims of the system as well.
00:08:13.620And this is hopefully going to free them from this system.
00:08:17.060So the problem with the public education system is, of course, incredibly deep.
00:08:22.100We could do entire series, long hours explaining all of the issues that exist inside the public school system.
00:08:29.020But as somebody who spent many years inside the public school system, let me just give you a few of the highlights that I think are critical.
00:08:35.680And, of course, many of you will be aware of these, but I think it's worth just going ahead and enumerating them because when we talk about why it's worth looking at alternatives,
00:08:45.400we need to understand the problem here.
00:08:47.840So obviously, the education and public school systems has been getting worse and worse for a very long time.
00:08:54.040And this is happening despite the fact that the amount of educational funding keeps increasing and increasing.
00:09:40.060This increase in funding doesn't go into teachers to get higher quality teachers and motivate them to do a better job.
00:09:47.200It doesn't even go into the classroom where it improves the quality of equipment or other things that students are using.
00:09:53.440The vast majority of the funding being put into the system at this point is going to pay for additional administrators, additional levels of supervision, additional levels of intervention by BS experts who have no bearing on the actual quality of education inside the institutions.
00:10:11.820And into a bunch of training, which is basically ripping up the stuff we know that used to work.
00:10:18.040And instead, putting it into new systems that are organized around a bunch of progressive religious beliefs like the idea of diversity, equity, inclusion, the idea that eventually we can go ahead and elevate the scores of every demographic group as long as we crush enough of the other groups down, as long as we dedicate enough programs, put enough counselors, put enough alternative education systems in.
00:10:42.860And if we just warp all education around basically the non-majority groups of the United States, oh, we can somehow fix all of these problems.
00:10:51.700This is where the money in the education system goes.
00:10:54.860And so because of that, no matter how much we increase the funding of education inside the United States, the quality of the education keeps going down.
00:11:03.800The other problems involved in the education are, again, legion, but some that I would highlight would be the fact that obviously what we're doing is not working because we have turned the entire progressive or the entire education system into one large progressive seminary and progressive patronage program.
00:11:23.740The vast amounts of the people involved in the education system are left-wing diehards.
00:11:30.860They are sworn allies of the Democratic Party.
00:11:34.900They will vote for them no matter what.
00:11:36.440They will rally to their banner no matter what.
00:11:38.860Obviously, the teachers unions are a big problem, not because I don't think ultimately teachers shouldn't be better compensated, but because first public sector unions are simply an excuse to extort money from taxpayers.
00:11:50.920I'm not necessarily dead set against private unions, but public unions are most certainly that.
00:11:57.360And second, because these unions are not operated in the interest of teachers anyway, they're operating in the interest of ideology, and that ideology is most certainly leftist and progressive.
00:12:07.760Plus, all of the made-up managerial posts along inside the educational apparatus are basically tailor-made to go ahead and give jobs to worthless leftists who went ahead and got terrible degrees or educations in basically the leftist religion.
00:12:26.500They got a doctrine of theology from progressive universities and then sit inside the educational apparatus and basically do nothing but indoctrinate children into this.
00:12:38.180The education inside the public school has become deeply leftist, and as somebody who taught inside a state that is supposed to be very based like Florida, I can tell you very personally that this leftist bias has seeped its way all the way into even the most conservative-based areas of the nation.
00:12:58.060The horrific things that even Florida public schools are teaching to children about their legacy, about their heritage, about their ancestors, about their tradition is egregious.
00:13:10.040The amount of authority that is being stolen from parents, the amount of usurpation that is involved in the education of morals, and all of these things have really been horrible, even in the most conservative states.
00:13:24.740And so what we have in the public education system is one giant failure to actually do the job stated, which is to educate the public, and instead is very good at its real job.
00:13:37.700The purpose of the system, it turns out, the purpose of the system, it turns out, is what it does, not what it says it does on the label.
00:13:43.560And it turns out that the purpose of the system in the United States for the public school system is to babysit children while their mothers go to work so that we can have cheaper labor and meet the goal of kind of the 50-50 or even greater workforce.
00:14:02.240And while that is happening, the students who are warehoused there are indoctrinated entirely in leftist ideology, and all of the money is put into funding all of these leftist programs to giving just made-up jobs to a bunch of leftists who are there to do nothing but indoctrinate your children.
00:14:24.580That's actually what the public education system does.
00:14:27.260Whatever it says, whatever the label is on the outside of the public school, that's what it actually does.
00:14:35.300Mass education is going to lead to a lot of this, and we'll get into that in a minute as to why the problem is ultimately mass education.
00:14:42.640You can't do mass public education without it becoming leftist.
00:14:47.380I'll explain why that is institutionally a fact.
00:14:51.700But before I get into all of the particulars, let's read a little bit of the piece because I think it is critical that we see kind of the way what the leftists are worried about.
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00:16:29.300So speaking of people who control a lot of the information in our society, let's read a mainstream media piece on the dangers of getting rid of public schooling, two of the key arms of the mind control device deployed by our regime that many people refer to as the cathedral.
00:16:47.920So Politico here says Ron DeSantis and Florida Republicans have spent years aggressively turning the state into a haven for school choice.
00:16:55.580They've been wildly successful with tens of thousands more children enrolling in private or charter schools or homeschooling.
00:17:04.040Now, as those programs ballooned, some of Florida's largest school districts are facing staggering enrollment declines and grappling with the possibility of campus closures as dollars follow the increased number of parents opting out of traditional schools.
00:17:19.360The emphasis on these programs has been central to DeSantis' goal of remaking the Florida education system.
00:17:25.580And they're posed for another year of growth.
00:17:30.240DeSantis' school policies are already influencing other GOP-leaning states, many of which have pursued similar voucher programs.
00:17:39.080But Florida has served as a conservative laboratory for a suite of other policies, ranging from attacking public-private sector diversity programs to fighting the Biden administration on immigration.
00:17:53.680So what's so great about this besides the fact that the press is whining about it?
00:17:59.640So the program in Florida has been one of shifting the way that education is funded.
00:18:05.280One of the great things that is happening with school choice is a recognition by the right that ultimately you have to go ahead and shift power.
00:18:15.600It's not just about destroying power, right?
00:18:18.260One of the things that the right wants to do is immediately just throw the ring of power into the Mount Doom, right?
00:18:24.680This is the failure that many conservatives and libertarians have.
00:18:28.660They say, well, it's just about small government and we have to throw the ring of power into Mount Doom, destroy it.
00:18:34.560One ring to rule them out is too powerful.
00:18:36.980And if we can get rid of it, then we win.
00:18:38.720The problem is there is no Mount Doom, at least not immediately.
00:18:44.120And that climbing of Mount Doom is too great a task for a party and a political movement that really, honestly, is rather demoralized and has lost a lot of its power, a lot of its energy.
00:18:57.820And what a lot of people on the right started to realize is talking about just kind of destroying the Department of Education, which they've been talking about since literally Ronald Reagan right after it was founded and no one has done it.
00:19:10.200Like, talk like that, like, yes, you should do those things.
00:19:12.800But ultimately, the best thing you can do is at a state level, at a far more focused and local level, changing the way that these dollars get allocated.
00:19:23.200So the fact, the cold, hard fact, no matter what libertarians and conservatives might want to believe, is that we're going to continue to collect taxes and largely fund the education of the majority of children inside the United States.
00:19:38.060That's just a brute fact that's going to happen.
00:19:47.260But that change comes, I think, through the shifting of incentives rather than just the brute force destruction that really you don't have the ability or power to influence anyway.
00:19:59.080So what a lot of people inside the school choice movement realized is, while we can't just defund public schools immediately, what we can do is reallocate those dollars.
00:20:10.820We can shift the way that the system is funded.
00:20:13.600So much of the ideological capture, so much of the power wielded by the educational system comes from its default status.
00:20:22.280The fact that parents really have no say in what happens in the school.
00:20:30.060And you should, by the way, you should get involved in those ways.
00:20:32.840But ultimately, the way that federal funding works and the way that state funding works dictates the fact that the public school has more or less a monopoly.
00:20:40.380Yes, if you're rich, you can send your kid to public school or rather private school.
00:20:45.800Or if you're very dedicated, you can go ahead and homeschool.
00:20:49.700But if we're honest, and I know it would be better if every parent made the sacrifice and was willing to go ahead and do the private school or do the homeschooling.
00:21:00.380If we're honest, the vast majority of people are just going to pick the default.
00:21:04.600And as long as the default is only public schools, that gives the left a massive power.
00:21:11.800Because what happens is that public school system becomes a patronage network to reward left wing ideologues.
00:21:19.100The money flowing through it is continuous.
00:21:22.220One of the largest employers in pretty much every county in the United States is the public school system.
00:21:29.220I know in my schooling, in my county, the public school system and the health care system, both publicly funded, are always changing off for the two biggest employers inside this area.
00:21:42.640And that means that it has a huge sway, a huge impact on the politics and the policies inside your area.
00:21:52.640Also, on top of this, obviously, that means that the left continuously delivers ideology to every child inside the public school system.
00:22:01.080And so what the school choice advocates realize is rather than have this pie in the sky idea of immediately destroying the ring of power, what if we could shift the flow of dollars, not having it go directly automatically to every public school and all of the left wing progressive architecture built into that system?
00:22:22.460And if funding the teachers who are largely left wing and the ideology that's left wing and all the managerial apparatus that's left wing and instead we could shift that to public schools, charter schools or home schools by giving the parent the option and saying here, if you want to opt out of the public education system, you don't have to go and pay for this all on your own.
00:22:46.660We'll take the amount of tax dollars that we were going to pay for your child into the public school anyway, and instead you can carry that money into the school of your choice.
00:22:56.740So the money is still being allocated.
00:23:14.800But in a more realistic world, by continuing to collect the taxes and continuing to distribute the money, but placing the power as to where that money goes into the hands of the parents, you automatically create a seismic shift in school funding.
00:23:30.620Because let's be honest, public schools are garbage.
00:23:42.720But we know that in general, private schools, homeschooling, even charter schools all operate a much better educational system than the public one that is available to most students.
00:23:58.380And by shifting those dollars, by simply opening up the option to the average parent and saying, look, you're going to have this aid or $10,000 allocated to pay for your kid anyway.
00:24:17.800Go take your child home and use that money to buy equipment and pay for tutors and supplementary education clubs and things.
00:24:25.860And this radically shifts the opportunities for children.
00:24:30.360All of a sudden, they're not locked into this system, this dying, failing system with all of its incentive structures built into the left-wing apparatus.
00:24:39.780And instead, they're distributing that money to people who are far more likely to be to the right, far more likely to not hate the country, not hate the children, not hate the history of this nation, not hate children because they happen to be, I don't know, white.
00:24:55.480And instead, operating schools that teach kids and actually do well and succeed and aren't teaching this hatred of heritage America and instead are allowing people to choose what kind of values they want to have their kids educated in.
00:25:13.900Do you want to directly educate your children with homeschooling and inculcate them with your values there and your priorities there?
00:25:19.860You can do that. Do you want to send them to a Christian school or a Jewish school or whatever kind of school you prefer that has a religious background and have your children raised and educated by people who prioritize and value your religious beliefs?
00:25:35.540Would you like to take them to a charter school, which is closer to a public school, still tries to keep that neutrality, though we know no institution is neutral.
00:25:42.900But, you know, charter schools operate more like public schools, but they allow for a lot more leeway because they don't have the number of oversights and other things and requirements that trap public schools into a particular cycle.
00:25:56.840You can take that money anywhere you'd like.
00:25:58.980Now, to be clear, parents still aren't getting all of their money, but there's still enough money going to public schools to keep many of them open.
00:26:05.500You know, you're not getting the full money that would go to a public school, but still, it's significant enough where a lot of people can either go ahead and transfer their children for no cost or a vastly reduced cost to a much superior form of education.
00:26:19.600And more importantly, to a form of education that aligns with their values.
00:26:24.160Let's go back to the article real quick.
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00:27:01.960We need some big changes throughout the country.
00:27:08.520DeSantis said Thursday at an evening event at Florida Homeschool Convention in Kissimmee.
00:27:13.120Florida has shown a blueprint, and we really can be an engine for that, as other states work to adopt a lot of the policies that we've done.
00:27:21.300Education officials in some states, some of the state's largest counties, are looking to scale back costs by repurposing or outright closing campuses, including Broward, Duval, and Miami-Dade counties.
00:27:34.380Even if some communities rally to try to save their public schools, traditional public schools are left with empty seats and a budget crunch.
00:27:45.880So, yeah, naturally, as a lot of students transfer out of this system, as they no longer want to be plugged in to what public schools are doing, a lot of these programs are losing funding.
00:27:58.200Because a lot of funding is tied to butts in seats, and you need to have the students in the program for you to continue to receive the same consistent amount of funding.
00:28:08.720If you've ever been involved in the educational system, you know that teachers can get shuffled around, their jobs can get transferred from one school to another if the certain counts of students aren't reached, even if certain types of students, students that don't carry a certain amount of educational dollars.
00:28:24.540You might not know this, but certain types of students come with additional funding.
00:28:28.220This is often why it's so important to qualify students as being minorities or having specific statuses, English as a second language gifted, but also ones with behavioral problems or learning disabilities.
00:28:42.400All these students come with different weights, different funding weights that they bring with them.
00:28:47.260And once a school figures out how many students are of what type are attending their school, that actually adjusts their budgets, the type of teachers they can afford, the number of teachers they can afford, the type of classrooms that they can go ahead and set up.
00:29:00.880And so all of this is a part of shifting around the way that schools are distributed.
00:29:06.120And if you lose a bunch of students because they're going to private schools or charter schools or homeschooling, then that necessarily means that your public schools are going to start shrinking.
00:29:49.940I taught when all the schools were shut down, we had to go digital and all this stuff.
00:29:54.840And that is ultimately, I think, the thing that has shifted this the most.
00:29:59.880Look, a lot of people aren't talking about this, but it's really important for you to know.
00:30:04.700Even in states, again, like Florida, where our schools were closed for the shortest amount of time, as opposed to other states, the education involved with the remote education, the virtual education, the stuff that was implemented in kind of the COVID world and post-COVID world.
00:30:23.360So radically altered the type of education students receive in public schools.
00:30:27.980Public schools were already lowering their standards.
00:30:31.420You already, if you grew up like I did, it used to be that a 95 was an A and an 85 was the floor for a B.
00:30:41.700Now it's a 90 for an A and an 80 for a B.
00:30:45.060That's a very obvious way that standards have already been lowered, but it's much, much, much worse than that.
00:30:52.100So for a very long time, what has happened, particularly when it comes to students of color, different demographics that did not perform as well in certain aspects, the type of grading that was prescribed has been what has often been called grading with grace, which is quite the euphemism.
00:31:15.060And what has been encouraged among populations where we would like to see improvements in education, but can't seem to get those scores up, what has been prescribed has been a alternative grading system in which basically there's no such thing as a zero in a grade book.
00:31:31.800Anybody who can do basic math understands that a zero in a grade book radically alters the grade point average of that student.
00:31:38.840And so if you just don't turn in work, it's much worse than if you turn in work that's really mediocre or even failing because the zero hurts your score much worse than say a 55 or even a 40 would in the grade book.
00:31:52.620And so what the school started to do was it started to say, well, if these students don't turn in an assignment, we don't give zeros, we just don't give zeros because it makes it impossible for students to catch up.
00:32:04.840Of course, it doesn't make it impossible.
00:32:06.300Many generations of students came back from getting zeros if they didn't do the work.
00:32:10.220The whole point of the grade is to evaluate your performance.
00:32:13.140If you tweak the metrics to make sure that it no longer abouts your performance and the grade doesn't mean anything, but no matter, that's not the point.
00:32:21.340The point is to increase your stats, right?
00:33:16.780And so a student could literally, and this happened all the time, do no work their entire semester.
00:33:23.420And then one of the principals calls him in and sits him down and says, you got to turn in like three assignments, and then you can pass the class and move on to the next grade.
00:33:34.940And so the student begrudgingly sits down and barely turns in anything.
00:33:40.920They bump their grade from the 50 to the 60, and suddenly they pass.
00:33:45.280Well, this was originally, you know, only designed for a certain number of people.
00:33:50.400But during the pandemic, what we quickly realized is that a lot of students weren't showing up, especially, actually, students who did not speak English well.
00:34:00.340A lot of their families were not having them show up at all.
00:34:04.300And you can't have all those kids fail.
00:34:06.580Like, no school district is going to be like, oh, by the way, all the Spanish-speaking kids failed.
00:34:11.840And all of the kids in especially minority households where their parents, you know, had often many other concerns, they were underperforming already before those things, they started failing at much higher rates as well.
00:34:25.540And so what happened was we shifted that from just a few students, students in particular silos, we moved that policy of grading with grace out of that, and we applied it to everybody.
00:34:40.180Everybody was allowed to turn in assignments basically whenever they wanted, and everybody got a 50 instead of a zero.
00:34:48.100And amazingly, the grades didn't suffer that bad.
00:34:50.580It turns out that we didn't actually just fail entire swaths of people who didn't turn in their work during that.
00:34:57.440In fact, we went ahead and moved everybody on.
00:34:59.860So during the couple years where a lot of states closed their schools for as many as two years in many places, actually, your students learned nothing.
00:35:14.860Nobody is talking about the fact that basically for multiple years, we pretended that millions of children passed grades they did not pass and have no education.
00:35:28.480And not only is that the case, but of course now grading with grace has become the baseline.
00:35:35.020Now this is how all public education works for all children, all the time.
00:35:41.180All of them are graded this way, and they expect to be graded this way.
00:35:44.920In fact, the only thing, the only thing that differentiates most advanced classes from on-level classes in the school system is that on-level classes get graded with grace,
00:36:00.080and students in advanced classes get graded the way that you and I were graded when we were in school.
00:36:05.660And so now a lot of kids don't want to be in advanced classes because the advanced classes aren't learning basically anything different.
00:36:12.560They aren't actually being challenged.
00:36:21.220And so this vast shift in grading has made the public school system even more of a disaster.
00:36:27.260On top of this, parents realized once kids came home with their Chromebooks and started taking all their classes on Skype or Zoom that actually their teachers, in addition, we're just teaching them nothing, which they often in cases, you know, we're not teaching them anything.
00:36:44.220But we're actually teaching them to hate themselves.
00:36:47.340We're teaching them all this woke DEI garbage.
00:36:50.700We're teaching them to hate the color of their skin, hate their religion, hate their parents, hate their history.
00:36:55.980And they're like, I've got to get my kid out of this.
00:36:58.620This is suicide to leave my kid in these classes.
00:37:03.200And so what they ended up doing is saying, I've got to go ahead and find a way to get my kid into a charter school or private school or homeschool them.
00:37:11.240So this mass exodus was already going to occur simply because people started realizing what the schools were actually doing.
00:37:19.700And they didn't even know about the grading stuff.
00:37:22.260But this is just another incentive on top of that to move kids out of these schools.
00:37:27.220And now the schools are panicking because a mass exodus was already occurring.
00:37:32.860We are already seeing this shift without the school funding programs.
00:37:36.460But the fact that states like Florida have been diligently working to connect funding to the student and not to the system to feed the education of the student and not the corrupt system has meant that there is a model that will undermine the monopoly that these corrupt, useless systems have on education.
00:37:57.600And that is a huge change because so many of these schools are just not educating children at all.
00:38:03.360I sat through meetings where the principal straight up said, yeah, we're teaching kids to pass the test because that's what gets them out of here and funds our school.
00:38:11.460Like not even no hesitation, no moral problem with that statement when other teachers were like, well, we can't do that.
00:38:30.760And so that's the type of incentive structure that a school with no competition is operating under.
00:38:38.960And the fact that now there's competition and that now people actually have to worry about the end of public schools is fundamentally shifting the type of structure that they are investing in.
00:38:49.900Now, I want to talk about the end of public schools real quick.
00:38:53.100I think we were many of you watching here.
00:38:56.000I'm just going to guess we're already sold on the idea that maybe public schools aren't great.
00:39:00.380So I probably didn't have to sell you on that idea so much.
00:39:04.420But I want to talk to you about the shift because ultimately it does matter.
00:39:08.680Like I said, when this thing is unspooling, it matters how it happens.
00:39:13.160Because really, public schools, one of the reasons they're bad is that they have a significant disadvantage.
00:39:21.040One of the advantages that private schools have and that charter schools have is that they can say no to students.
00:39:27.060They don't have to take every student.
00:39:28.720And in many cases, that makes them much better schools because there's a hard truth that we're all going to have to talk about now.
00:39:36.000There's a debate that broke out on Twitter about public schools.
00:39:39.940And someone said basically, well, yeah, public schools, they do.
00:39:43.660They admitted like these are public school advocates, right?
00:39:46.100People who are trying to make the pace for public schools.
00:39:48.300I said, ultimately, yeah, public schools do basically have to dumb down stuff.
00:39:53.120They do have to strip out all of the gifted programs and all the programs that challenge students that are promising.
00:39:58.720Because really, we can't educate the masses at like this base level if we're dedicating resources and shaping our classes to educate kids who are above the standard.
00:40:11.900And a lot of people are like, well, I can't believe you said that.
00:40:17.140Public education is always going to be mediocre for the same reason that cafeteria food is mediocre.
00:40:24.200Because you have to mass produce it for everybody.
00:40:26.380And if you can't take the time to tailor programs, to focus on people, to deal with the individual, then when you try to massify things, ultimately, it will always degrade in quality.
00:40:39.740And the problem for the public school system is really only exploding because ultimately what we've been doing is allowing a lot of people into this country that shouldn't be here.
00:40:50.560Illegal immigrants, mass immigration that just should not be occurring even in the legal side.
00:40:55.880And a lot of the people we are bringing in don't share our values, don't share tradition, don't share heritage, and don't even share our language.
00:41:02.900A lot of the children being brought in are children who don't speak English.
00:41:08.880And while I understand why, look, if I lived outside the United States, especially in a third world country, yeah, I would want to be here too.
00:41:16.060But ultimately, the problem is that if you're dedicating your resources to teaching children who are in ninth grade how to speak basic English, if you're spending all of your time trying to bring standards down low enough to where they can pass a class that should be challenging a child who is looking to go to college or otherwise enter a workforce that should be well-trained, skilled, rigorous, then you're going to destroy the education of the other children.
00:41:45.020And it also means that you have to lower the discipline for a lot of students because a lot of people are coming from countries where they've never seen a public school or the public schools they have barely exist.
00:41:56.320They have never had to have the kind of behavioral standards that you expect in a classroom.
00:42:01.560And so not only do you have to teach them the language, you have to spend a lot of time discipline and retraining and drilling students in a way that allows them to exist in a classroom environment.
00:42:35.420We have the option to charter school where they can break out and try different things that don't push children towards this homogenized identity and this homogenized way of learning and this really, I think, destructive way of understanding how we should shape minds.
00:42:52.920But that only happens if we don't have to force everyone into the system that has to educate, like, I don't know, 100 million kids a year or something.
00:43:01.060Like, if you don't change the structure, if you don't change this fundamental way that you are kind of pressing every kid into the same mold, you're going to continue to get just degradation of human capital inside the United States.
00:43:17.540And so, ultimately, it's really important to have these systems because it breaks that up.
00:43:22.520However, that means that, really, at some point, we probably will always have public schools.
00:43:26.740I think we probably will, for a very long time, have public schools.
00:45:23.420If you're dependent on a parent, then they have the sovereignty over you.
00:45:27.920If you're dependent on a church because they fund your private school, then they have sovereignty over you.
00:45:35.620But if you're dependent on the state because they provide schooling,
00:45:39.020and unfortunately, more importantly for our current economic system,
00:45:44.480warehouse the children so the parents can both work, then that is what will be sovereign.
00:45:48.720And so we've ceded a large amount of power to the state because of this.
00:45:52.520And so the shift in public education, even though it's not immediate,
00:45:56.260it's not the immediate miracle solution that a lot of libertarians and conservatives would like,
00:46:02.280this shift is critical because it reintroduces the idea to the parent that ultimately they are the one who makes the decision.
00:46:11.260And slowly, hopefully, we can move this to the point where, you know, they take on more and more of that responsibility.
00:46:19.460Public schools will still exist to educate students that otherwise are not profitable for charter schools
00:46:24.560or can't be homeschooled or don't fit into private schools for whatever reason.
00:46:30.480And, you know, that means they're going to carry distinct burden because of that.
00:46:34.580But ultimately, that system will shift the majority of responsibility out of the hands of the state.
00:46:39.660And that's really what we want to see, because one day it would be great if schooling is once again understood as the duty of the parent first
00:46:47.640and the community and the church second and never the duty of the state itself.
00:46:53.820Only in the most dramatic cases does the state have to take over or be involved in it,
00:46:58.720because ultimately that duty should rest in the more local spheres of people who should have that level of sovereignty in the first place,
00:47:06.120the parent, the church, the community.
00:47:08.100All right, guys, we're going to switch over to the questions of the people here real quick.
00:47:12.600Looks like we've got a decent amount of them, actually.
00:47:15.020Wolfbane, I see you're going to ask the same question every stream now.
00:47:17.740He says, have you heard of the Corbin Society?
00:47:20.500Yes, I have, because you've asked me several times.
00:47:46.340Yarvin created the red pill after all.
00:47:48.560Yeah, again, we're not looking for these miracle solution guys.
00:47:51.200And while I deeply respect Curtis Yarvin, I don't think that only waiting until the one the one, you know, magical Caesar comes in and solves every problem is the actual solution.
00:48:02.260Again, as I advocate in my book, The Total State, I think that we should be looking for practical application of power now.
00:48:10.980And shifting state funding to private sector or to private schools or homeschools is a beautiful example of how you at the state level can do way more than is getting done at the federal level.
00:48:24.200Ultimately, I don't know what's going to happen with Donald Trump, but shifting public education funding at the state level probably will have way more impact than the educational policy that actually gets implemented by a new Trump administration.
00:48:38.160Alexandra says, Orin, ruin podcast for me.
00:48:44.560I can no longer listen to these typical shows about the latest outreach cycle because I crave something more in depth.
00:49:08.380And so, in general, I try to avoid that, though.
00:49:10.980Of course, I do talk about news of the day.
00:49:12.420Sometimes there are breaking events that I think are important.
00:49:14.900But what I try to do on this show is zoom out a little bit.
00:49:18.300Look at things not just in the trenches, but let's look at things a little further back.
00:49:24.060Instead of chasing the news cycle often that is driven by the left, let's look at things that are trends that are more important.
00:49:31.440Like, today we read a piece from a major leftist news outlet, but we did it in the context of a larger movement of trying to understand power and politics.
00:49:40.900And I hope that's what I'm bringing to the table.
00:49:42.580I appreciate the people who appreciate that.
00:49:45.200Of course, I couldn't do this without you guys.
00:49:46.980So, I'm glad there's an audience for this because there is a large audience for News of the Day.
00:49:52.120I could have just been another one of those guys, but maybe I couldn't because that's not where my skill set is.
00:49:55.660So, I'm glad that many of you have followed me into something more like this where we can do a little bit of a deeper dive into systems and how they work and how they influence our politics.
00:50:07.360A perspicacious heretic says the techno-globalists tend to use nudge tactics.
00:50:11.860It seems that you're advocating similar here.
00:50:14.480This is ultimately a valid strategy in the right hands.
00:50:17.340So, to be clear, I don't think this is a nudge tactic so much.
00:50:27.900However, I'm trying to retrain behavior towards a direction of taking on more responsibility.
00:50:38.300So, I guess you could say this is a nudge tactic.
00:50:40.640But ultimately, what I think is it's a recognition of the fact that every battle is not a 10,000-foot,
00:50:48.140oh, man, we have to slay the giant, blow up the power, ring in Mount Doom, or else.
00:50:53.500But instead, recognizing that these incremental wins and these shifts in incentives can ultimately be good things.
00:51:01.700However, we're not trying to do that through building larger institutions or even taking over institutions.
00:51:08.140We're actually dismantling institutions in this case, right?
00:51:11.360And simply by incentivizing parents, or not even incentivizing parents, we're not even giving them more money.
00:51:17.480It's not like the parents are like, hey, by the way, now you have a bonus to go homeschool your kid or something.
00:51:23.460What we're really just doing is giving them back their own money, or not even all of their own money, but just a portion of their own money.
00:51:29.080And then I think natural behavior takes its course.
00:51:31.360So maybe we're not so much nudging as dismantling the nudge, you know, getting rid of the apparatus that would be nudging children in a particular direction by handing them back.
00:51:40.480We're not dictating that kids have to go to Christian schools with this funding.
00:51:44.560We're not dictating that homeschooling has to deliver a certain message with this funding.
00:51:49.380We're just saying, no, the funds are yours, and you should be able to use them to educate your children in the way that you want.
00:51:55.840It's not so much nudging as returning sovereignty back to spheres that should have held it in the first place.
00:52:02.500Cooper Weirdo says, but John Oliver says, yes.
00:52:05.680By the way, I think the only video I've had taken down in a long time is because John Oliver falsely claimed copyright on it.
00:52:57.420Robert Weinsfeld says, if a system is what it does, government schools are more are more indoctrinating the millions of mid Intel employees and paying them with benefits.
00:53:10.400But perversely, perversely, it is hopefully sorry.
00:53:28.380I do think that ultimately the schools are a disaster.
00:53:32.140They do drive a lot of the problems that we're facing, the right of the problems that the right are facing.
00:53:37.940I think it's great that people are recognizing that the system is not about educating their children, but it is about indoctrinating them, especially in ways to hate them, which is, of course, a disaster.
00:53:48.880It's separating parents from their children, ultimately questioning the authority of the parents and driving them away from the ability to raise their children how they see fit.
00:53:58.320I think it's great that there are steps that are practical that could be taken to dismantle this system and encourage children to once again be raised by their parents or by institutions that actually value what their parents value.
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