The Auron MacIntyre Show - The End of Public Schools ｜ 5⧸29⧸24

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

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00:00:33.980 I am Oren McIntyre.

00:00:36.820 So, the press is terrified.

00:00:39.800 Something horrific is happening.

00:00:42.360 It turns out that school choice programs across the country,

00:00:46.080 but especially in my home state of Florida,

00:00:48.940 spearheaded by governors like Ron DeSantis, are working.

00:00:52.840 It turns out that when people have the option to get their students out of failing public schools,

00:00:59.280 they will go elsewhere.

00:01:00.820 And if you can go ahead and disconnect the funding of public schools from the terrible education provided by public schools,

00:01:10.400 people will have happier, healthier children by placing them inside alternative institutions.

00:01:18.660 Public schools are simply the worst at what they do, and there is a lot of reasons for that.

00:01:24.920 However, this means that public schools are starting to worry about closing.

00:01:30.380 They are seeing their funding drop, they're seeing their attendance drop,

00:01:34.140 and they're starting to recognize that what we might have in our hands is a mass exodus from the public school system.

00:01:41.020 So, today I want to talk a little bit about what that would look like,

00:01:44.360 because ultimately, while I think the end of mass public education is something that favors the right,

00:01:52.200 it is ultimately something that is both good politically for the right and good for our society at large,

00:01:59.120 there is a lot tied to this.

00:02:01.040 When we unspool large organizations like this, a lot of things can happen.

00:02:06.420 There's a lot of unforeseen consequences.

00:02:08.340 It's not simply about pulling the plug and letting the chips fall where they may,

00:02:12.240 because ultimately, there are children's lives involved.

00:02:15.860 There is a future of our next generation involved.

00:02:19.340 And so, we have to think about what this kind of dismantling of public education might mean,

00:02:25.220 politically, yes, but also for the good of the children who are currently served by that failing institution.

00:02:33.940 So, I want to go ahead and dive into this today.

00:02:37.360 How are public schools starting to come apart?

00:02:40.180 Is this a good thing?

00:02:41.420 And ultimately, how can we shift the responsibility of education in the United States?

00:02:46.360 How can we transform the way that we think about education so that we end up with a generation that is not raised by public school teachers that hate them,

00:02:57.240 that teach them to hate their parents, hate their culture, hate their religion, hate the color of their skin,

00:03:02.960 people who are ultimately looking to destroy the American way of life?

00:03:07.240 How can we shift students out of the custody of these type of employees and instead place it in the hands of people who truly care about them,

00:03:17.620 who truly can focus on who they can be, what they should become, and what a good society looks like?

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00:04:56.560 So I want to go ahead and go through this article from Politico.

00:05:01.220 This is, of course, left as being very scared about the success of school choice in a place like Florida.

00:05:09.160 But I think this article is instructive.

00:05:11.240 The fact that an article like this even exists in the first place says something really powerful about this program.

00:05:17.840 And I think that while ultimately, you know, the people writing it don't want to see public schools start to lose their influence,

00:05:25.720 we can look at the things that they're worried about.

00:05:28.400 We can look at some of the concerns that they raise and better understand why the left is worried, of course, about what's happening.

00:05:34.360 But also the good things that are happening, how this can be turned to our advantage.

00:05:38.700 And ultimately, while I think that or why I think that this shift is something that is great,

00:05:44.240 though it will be something that is a hard-fought transition and something we need to be careful about.

00:05:49.280 We can't just wave our hands and say, oh, man, victory.

00:05:52.400 No problem here.

00:05:53.540 It's all great.

00:05:54.580 We need to understand what's going to happen.

00:05:56.840 We don't want to just leave a bunch of people falling without something that catches them in the interim.

00:06:02.160 And I think that's part of the reason why this project is so great,

00:06:05.540 because it doesn't just close public schools and leave children to their own devices.

00:06:09.620 It understands the problem and shifts the burden in a way that gives parents and communities more power.

00:06:16.140 So let's start from the beginning about why I think this is important.

00:06:22.620 I served as a public school teacher for years.

00:06:25.200 I shouldn't say served like I served in the military.

00:06:27.420 I worked as a public school teacher.

00:06:29.380 Don't get me wrong.

00:06:30.660 For many people, it is a lifelong passion. 0.97

00:06:33.680 And I would like to say at the outset that while there are a lot of trash public school teachers out there, 0.99

00:06:39.240 there are a lot of malicious public school teachers out there. 1.00

00:06:42.240 Mostly there are a lot of kind of just people who don't care and are collecting a paycheck in public school.

00:06:48.420 There are dedicated public school teachers in the system.

00:06:52.860 I have met them.

00:06:54.040 They are real.

00:06:54.760 They are passionate.

00:06:56.200 They care about the children.

00:06:57.720 They are taking the job because they are sacrificing to do what they think makes a difference.

00:07:03.040 I know that sounds cheesy.

00:07:04.520 I'm not trying to give people undue credit here.

00:07:07.240 I'm not just padding this.

00:07:08.980 But these people really do exist.

00:07:10.940 Okay.

00:07:11.220 And so I think it's important to recognize that, you know, just like an institution like the U.S. military, okay, the ideology has gone woke at this point.

00:07:20.600 Sadly, there are many people at this point in the military left who just collect a paycheck or are there for other reasons.

00:07:28.060 But there are still a core of patriotic people who really are serving their country, defending their country, sacrificing on behalf of their country.

00:07:35.440 Now, teachers are not soldiers.

00:07:36.640 I don't want to equate the two at all here.

00:07:38.240 But I do want to say that there are people who are still inside the system who genuinely care about the students, are making sacrifices on their behalf, are fighting for what they see as the future of the United States.

00:07:50.840 And it should be said at the outset that these people exist.

00:07:54.400 And so, you know, we're not just dismantling the public school system out of glee to, like, spite all of these teachers, but understanding that ultimately that the system is failing the teachers left in the system that do want to educate kids and do care about educating kids.

00:08:10.540 They are victims of the system as well.

00:08:13.620 And this is hopefully going to free them from this system.

00:08:17.060 So the problem with the public education system is, of course, incredibly deep.

00:08:22.100 We could do entire series, long hours explaining all of the issues that exist inside the public school system.

00:08:29.020 But as somebody who spent many years inside the public school system, let me just give you a few of the highlights that I think are critical.

00:08:35.680 And, of course, many of you will be aware of these, but I think it's worth just going ahead and enumerating them because when we talk about why it's worth looking at alternatives,

00:08:45.400 we need to understand the problem here.

00:08:47.840 So obviously, the education and public school systems has been getting worse and worse for a very long time.

00:08:54.040 And this is happening despite the fact that the amount of educational funding keeps increasing and increasing.

00:09:02.240 And don't get me wrong.

00:09:04.060 A lot of people will just say, oh, well, teachers are overpaid or something.

00:09:07.480 I don't think that's true.

00:09:09.120 And I don't just say this as somebody who was a teacher.

00:09:11.860 I think in a lot of ways, teachers are underpaid.

00:09:14.660 I think that the low pay of teachers is one of the reasons we get a lot of mediocre teachers.

00:09:21.200 We don't incentivize people of quality to enter into the system.

00:09:25.340 And so, therefore, we don't get them.

00:09:27.160 And the people who are there who are of quality are sacrificing quite significantly due to the pay involved.

00:09:33.400 However, the point is not where the funding that the funding goes to teachers.

00:09:37.860 It doesn't.

00:09:38.680 That's the big problem.

00:09:40.060 This increase in funding doesn't go into teachers to get higher quality teachers and motivate them to do a better job.

00:09:47.200 It doesn't even go into the classroom where it improves the quality of equipment or other things that students are using.

00:09:53.440 The vast majority of the funding being put into the system at this point is going to pay for additional administrators, additional levels of supervision, additional levels of intervention by BS experts who have no bearing on the actual quality of education inside the institutions.

00:10:11.820 And into a bunch of training, which is basically ripping up the stuff we know that used to work.

00:10:18.040 And instead, putting it into new systems that are organized around a bunch of progressive religious beliefs like the idea of diversity, equity, inclusion, the idea that eventually we can go ahead and elevate the scores of every demographic group as long as we crush enough of the other groups down, as long as we dedicate enough programs, put enough counselors, put enough alternative education systems in.

00:10:42.860 And if we just warp all education around basically the non-majority groups of the United States, oh, we can somehow fix all of these problems. 1.00

00:10:51.700 This is where the money in the education system goes.

00:10:54.860 And so because of that, no matter how much we increase the funding of education inside the United States, the quality of the education keeps going down.

00:11:03.800 The other problems involved in the education are, again, legion, but some that I would highlight would be the fact that obviously what we're doing is not working because we have turned the entire progressive or the entire education system into one large progressive seminary and progressive patronage program.

00:11:23.740 The vast amounts of the people involved in the education system are left-wing diehards. 0.93

00:11:30.860 They are sworn allies of the Democratic Party.

00:11:34.900 They will vote for them no matter what.

00:11:36.440 They will rally to their banner no matter what.

00:11:38.860 Obviously, the teachers unions are a big problem, not because I don't think ultimately teachers shouldn't be better compensated, but because first public sector unions are simply an excuse to extort money from taxpayers.

00:11:50.920 I'm not necessarily dead set against private unions, but public unions are most certainly that.

00:11:57.360 And second, because these unions are not operated in the interest of teachers anyway, they're operating in the interest of ideology, and that ideology is most certainly leftist and progressive.

00:12:07.760 Plus, all of the made-up managerial posts along inside the educational apparatus are basically tailor-made to go ahead and give jobs to worthless leftists who went ahead and got terrible degrees or educations in basically the leftist religion.

00:12:26.500 They got a doctrine of theology from progressive universities and then sit inside the educational apparatus and basically do nothing but indoctrinate children into this.

00:12:38.180 The education inside the public school has become deeply leftist, and as somebody who taught inside a state that is supposed to be very based like Florida, I can tell you very personally that this leftist bias has seeped its way all the way into even the most conservative-based areas of the nation.

00:12:58.060 The horrific things that even Florida public schools are teaching to children about their legacy, about their heritage, about their ancestors, about their tradition is egregious.

00:13:10.040 The amount of authority that is being stolen from parents, the amount of usurpation that is involved in the education of morals, and all of these things have really been horrible, even in the most conservative states.

00:13:24.740 And so what we have in the public education system is one giant failure to actually do the job stated, which is to educate the public, and instead is very good at its real job.

00:13:37.700 The purpose of the system, it turns out, the purpose of the system, it turns out, is what it does, not what it says it does on the label.

00:13:43.560 And it turns out that the purpose of the system in the United States for the public school system is to babysit children while their mothers go to work so that we can have cheaper labor and meet the goal of kind of the 50-50 or even greater workforce. 0.71

00:14:02.240 And while that is happening, the students who are warehoused there are indoctrinated entirely in leftist ideology, and all of the money is put into funding all of these leftist programs to giving just made-up jobs to a bunch of leftists who are there to do nothing but indoctrinate your children.

00:14:24.580 That's actually what the public education system does.

00:14:27.260 Whatever it says, whatever the label is on the outside of the public school, that's what it actually does.

00:14:33.360 And there's all kinds of problems.

00:14:35.300 Mass education is going to lead to a lot of this, and we'll get into that in a minute as to why the problem is ultimately mass education.

00:14:42.640 You can't do mass public education without it becoming leftist.

00:14:47.380 I'll explain why that is institutionally a fact.

00:14:51.700 But before I get into all of the particulars, let's read a little bit of the piece because I think it is critical that we see kind of the way what the leftists are worried about.

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00:16:29.300 So speaking of people who control a lot of the information in our society, let's read a mainstream media piece on the dangers of getting rid of public schooling, two of the key arms of the mind control device deployed by our regime that many people refer to as the cathedral.

00:16:47.580 All right.

00:16:47.920 So Politico here says Ron DeSantis and Florida Republicans have spent years aggressively turning the state into a haven for school choice.

00:16:55.580 They've been wildly successful with tens of thousands more children enrolling in private or charter schools or homeschooling.

00:17:04.040 Now, as those programs ballooned, some of Florida's largest school districts are facing staggering enrollment declines and grappling with the possibility of campus closures as dollars follow the increased number of parents opting out of traditional schools.

00:17:19.360 The emphasis on these programs has been central to DeSantis' goal of remaking the Florida education system.

00:17:25.580 And they're posed for another year of growth.

00:17:30.240 DeSantis' school policies are already influencing other GOP-leaning states, many of which have pursued similar voucher programs.

00:17:39.080 But Florida has served as a conservative laboratory for a suite of other policies, ranging from attacking public-private sector diversity programs to fighting the Biden administration on immigration.

00:17:48.860 Yeah, that's right.

00:17:50.800 Based.

00:17:51.680 Absolutely.

00:17:52.540 Taste it.

00:17:53.300 All right.

00:17:53.680 So what's so great about this besides the fact that the press is whining about it?

00:17:59.640 So the program in Florida has been one of shifting the way that education is funded.

00:18:05.280 One of the great things that is happening with school choice is a recognition by the right that ultimately you have to go ahead and shift power.

00:18:15.600 It's not just about destroying power, right?

00:18:18.260 One of the things that the right wants to do is immediately just throw the ring of power into the Mount Doom, right?

00:18:24.680 This is the failure that many conservatives and libertarians have.

00:18:28.660 They say, well, it's just about small government and we have to throw the ring of power into Mount Doom, destroy it.

00:18:34.560 One ring to rule them out is too powerful.

00:18:36.980 And if we can get rid of it, then we win.

00:18:38.720 The problem is there is no Mount Doom, at least not immediately.

00:18:44.120 And that climbing of Mount Doom is too great a task for a party and a political movement that really, honestly, is rather demoralized and has lost a lot of its power, a lot of its energy.

00:18:57.820 And what a lot of people on the right started to realize is talking about just kind of destroying the Department of Education, which they've been talking about since literally Ronald Reagan right after it was founded and no one has done it.

00:19:10.200 Like, talk like that, like, yes, you should do those things.

00:19:12.800 But ultimately, the best thing you can do is at a state level, at a far more focused and local level, changing the way that these dollars get allocated.

00:19:23.200 So the fact, the cold, hard fact, no matter what libertarians and conservatives might want to believe, is that we're going to continue to collect taxes and largely fund the education of the majority of children inside the United States.

00:19:38.060 That's just a brute fact that's going to happen.

00:19:41.420 OK, and we might not like that.

00:19:44.040 We might say, oh, well, we need to change that.

00:19:45.900 And ultimately, I think we will.

00:19:47.260 But that change comes, I think, through the shifting of incentives rather than just the brute force destruction that really you don't have the ability or power to influence anyway.

00:19:59.080 So what a lot of people inside the school choice movement realized is, while we can't just defund public schools immediately, what we can do is reallocate those dollars.

00:20:10.820 We can shift the way that the system is funded.

00:20:13.600 So much of the ideological capture, so much of the power wielded by the educational system comes from its default status.

00:20:22.280 The fact that parents really have no say in what happens in the school.

00:20:27.120 Yeah, they can elect a school board.

00:20:28.960 Maybe they can get involved.

00:20:30.060 And you should, by the way, you should get involved in those ways.

00:20:32.840 But ultimately, the way that federal funding works and the way that state funding works dictates the fact that the public school has more or less a monopoly.

00:20:40.380 Yes, if you're rich, you can send your kid to public school or rather private school.

00:20:45.800 Or if you're very dedicated, you can go ahead and homeschool.

00:20:49.700 But if we're honest, and I know it would be better if every parent made the sacrifice and was willing to go ahead and do the private school or do the homeschooling.

00:21:00.380 If we're honest, the vast majority of people are just going to pick the default.

00:21:04.600 And as long as the default is only public schools, that gives the left a massive power.

00:21:11.800 Because what happens is that public school system becomes a patronage network to reward left wing ideologues.

00:21:19.100 The money flowing through it is continuous.

00:21:22.220 One of the largest employers in pretty much every county in the United States is the public school system.

00:21:29.220 I know in my schooling, in my county, the public school system and the health care system, both publicly funded, are always changing off for the two biggest employers inside this area.

00:21:42.640 And that means that it has a huge sway, a huge impact on the politics and the policies inside your area.

00:21:52.640 Also, on top of this, obviously, that means that the left continuously delivers ideology to every child inside the public school system.

00:22:01.080 And so what the school choice advocates realize is rather than have this pie in the sky idea of immediately destroying the ring of power, what if we could shift the flow of dollars, not having it go directly automatically to every public school and all of the left wing progressive architecture built into that system?

00:22:22.460 And if funding the teachers who are largely left wing and the ideology that's left wing and all the managerial apparatus that's left wing and instead we could shift that to public schools, charter schools or home schools by giving the parent the option and saying here, if you want to opt out of the public education system, you don't have to go and pay for this all on your own.

00:22:46.660 We'll take the amount of tax dollars that we were going to pay for your child into the public school anyway, and instead you can carry that money into the school of your choice.

00:22:56.740 So the money is still being allocated.

00:22:59.180 We're still drawing the tax dollars.

00:23:01.300 It's not that all of a sudden poor kids don't have access to education.

00:23:05.360 It's not all of a sudden that rich kids are the only ones that can afford to go to school.

00:23:09.260 We're still drawing that money out of the population.

00:23:12.340 Again, libertarians would hate that.

00:23:14.360 I understand.

00:23:14.800 But in a more realistic world, by continuing to collect the taxes and continuing to distribute the money, but placing the power as to where that money goes into the hands of the parents, you automatically create a seismic shift in school funding. 0.98

00:23:30.620 Because let's be honest, public schools are garbage. 0.99

00:23:34.260 They're famously garbage. 1.00

00:23:36.080 They're horrible. 1.00

00:23:37.440 Okay.

00:23:37.800 And not every public school and not every public school teacher.

00:23:41.620 Hashtag not all.

00:23:42.720 But we know that in general, private schools, homeschooling, even charter schools all operate a much better educational system than the public one that is available to most students.

00:23:58.380 And by shifting those dollars, by simply opening up the option to the average parent and saying, look, you're going to have this aid or $10,000 allocated to pay for your kid anyway.

00:24:09.640 So here you go.

00:24:10.520 If you don't want to plug it into the local school, go take it to the private school.

00:24:14.940 Go take it to the charter school.

00:24:17.800 Go take your child home and use that money to buy equipment and pay for tutors and supplementary education clubs and things.

00:24:25.860 And this radically shifts the opportunities for children.

00:24:30.360 All of a sudden, they're not locked into this system, this dying, failing system with all of its incentive structures built into the left-wing apparatus.

00:24:39.780 And instead, they're distributing that money to people who are far more likely to be to the right, far more likely to not hate the country, not hate the children, not hate the history of this nation, not hate children because they happen to be, I don't know, white. 0.55

00:24:55.480 And instead, operating schools that teach kids and actually do well and succeed and aren't teaching this hatred of heritage America and instead are allowing people to choose what kind of values they want to have their kids educated in.

00:25:13.900 Do you want to directly educate your children with homeschooling and inculcate them with your values there and your priorities there?

00:25:19.860 You can do that. Do you want to send them to a Christian school or a Jewish school or whatever kind of school you prefer that has a religious background and have your children raised and educated by people who prioritize and value your religious beliefs?

00:25:33.940 You can do that, too.

00:25:35.540 Would you like to take them to a charter school, which is closer to a public school, still tries to keep that neutrality, though we know no institution is neutral.

00:25:42.900 But, you know, charter schools operate more like public schools, but they allow for a lot more leeway because they don't have the number of oversights and other things and requirements that trap public schools into a particular cycle.

00:25:56.840 You can take that money anywhere you'd like.

00:25:58.980 Now, to be clear, parents still aren't getting all of their money, but there's still enough money going to public schools to keep many of them open.

00:26:05.500 You know, you're not getting the full money that would go to a public school, but still, it's significant enough where a lot of people can either go ahead and transfer their children for no cost or a vastly reduced cost to a much superior form of education.

00:26:19.600 And more importantly, to a form of education that aligns with their values.

00:26:24.160 Let's go back to the article real quick.

00:26:28.720 Let's see.

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00:27:01.960 We need some big changes throughout the country.

00:27:08.520 DeSantis said Thursday at an evening event at Florida Homeschool Convention in Kissimmee.

00:27:13.120 Florida has shown a blueprint, and we really can be an engine for that, as other states work to adopt a lot of the policies that we've done.

00:27:21.300 Education officials in some states, some of the state's largest counties, are looking to scale back costs by repurposing or outright closing campuses, including Broward, Duval, and Miami-Dade counties.

00:27:34.380 Even if some communities rally to try to save their public schools, traditional public schools are left with empty seats and a budget crunch.

00:27:45.880 So, yeah, naturally, as a lot of students transfer out of this system, as they no longer want to be plugged in to what public schools are doing, a lot of these programs are losing funding.

00:27:58.200 Because a lot of funding is tied to butts in seats, and you need to have the students in the program for you to continue to receive the same consistent amount of funding.

00:28:08.720 If you've ever been involved in the educational system, you know that teachers can get shuffled around, their jobs can get transferred from one school to another if the certain counts of students aren't reached, even if certain types of students, students that don't carry a certain amount of educational dollars.

00:28:24.540 You might not know this, but certain types of students come with additional funding.

00:28:28.220 This is often why it's so important to qualify students as being minorities or having specific statuses, English as a second language gifted, but also ones with behavioral problems or learning disabilities.

00:28:42.400 All these students come with different weights, different funding weights that they bring with them.

00:28:47.260 And once a school figures out how many students are of what type are attending their school, that actually adjusts their budgets, the type of teachers they can afford, the number of teachers they can afford, the type of classrooms that they can go ahead and set up.

00:29:00.880 And so all of this is a part of shifting around the way that schools are distributed.

00:29:06.120 And if you lose a bunch of students because they're going to private schools or charter schools or homeschooling, then that necessarily means that your public schools are going to start shrinking.

00:29:15.240 Now, this is a good thing in general.

00:29:18.260 The fact that the state no longer has a monopoly on the public school system, that there are alternatives, is a great thing.

00:29:27.180 And of course, the state is still collecting the funds, right?

00:29:29.740 The state is still shifting the dollars around.

00:29:32.060 The fire hose has not been closed.

00:29:34.840 So this is not the perfect dream solution that a libertarian or conservative might want.

00:29:40.440 But you could redirect the fire hose.

00:29:42.260 And just by doing that, you already shrink the power the public school wields.

00:29:47.660 Look, I taught during the pandemic.

00:29:49.940 I taught when all the schools were shut down, we had to go digital and all this stuff.

00:29:54.840 And that is ultimately, I think, the thing that has shifted this the most.

00:29:59.880 Look, a lot of people aren't talking about this, but it's really important for you to know.

00:30:04.700 Even in states, again, like Florida, where our schools were closed for the shortest amount of time, as opposed to other states, the education involved with the remote education, the virtual education, the stuff that was implemented in kind of the COVID world and post-COVID world.

00:30:23.360 So radically altered the type of education students receive in public schools.

00:30:27.980 Public schools were already lowering their standards.

00:30:31.420 You already, if you grew up like I did, it used to be that a 95 was an A and an 85 was the floor for a B.

00:30:39.980 That has all been shifted down.

00:30:41.700 Now it's a 90 for an A and an 80 for a B.

00:30:45.060 That's a very obvious way that standards have already been lowered, but it's much, much, much worse than that.

00:30:52.100 So for a very long time, what has happened, particularly when it comes to students of color, different demographics that did not perform as well in certain aspects, the type of grading that was prescribed has been what has often been called grading with grace, which is quite the euphemism.

00:31:15.060 And what has been encouraged among populations where we would like to see improvements in education, but can't seem to get those scores up, what has been prescribed has been a alternative grading system in which basically there's no such thing as a zero in a grade book.

00:31:31.800 Anybody who can do basic math understands that a zero in a grade book radically alters the grade point average of that student.

00:31:38.840 And so if you just don't turn in work, it's much worse than if you turn in work that's really mediocre or even failing because the zero hurts your score much worse than say a 55 or even a 40 would in the grade book.

00:31:52.620 And so what the school started to do was it started to say, well, if these students don't turn in an assignment, we don't give zeros, we just don't give zeros because it makes it impossible for students to catch up.

00:32:04.840 Of course, it doesn't make it impossible.

00:32:06.300 Many generations of students came back from getting zeros if they didn't do the work.

00:32:10.220 The whole point of the grade is to evaluate your performance.

00:32:13.140 If you tweak the metrics to make sure that it no longer abouts your performance and the grade doesn't mean anything, but no matter, that's not the point.

00:32:21.340 The point is to increase your stats, right?

00:32:23.680 We're managers.

00:32:24.560 We operate in a managerial mass bureaucracy.

00:32:27.440 The point is to make the line go up.

00:32:30.040 The line goes up.

00:32:31.060 That's what really matters.

00:32:32.760 And so we get rid of zeros.

00:32:34.680 Nobody ever gets a zero.

00:32:35.800 If you don't turn in work, instead, you get 50s.

00:32:38.840 50s are still a failing grade.

00:32:40.260 This is the ideology.

00:32:43.700 And I want to be really clear, to be very clear.

00:32:46.760 This was told point blank to people, okay?

00:32:50.580 This was told point blank.

00:32:52.180 This was told point blank to me.

00:32:54.240 You don't want students failing your class.

00:32:57.200 And so a zero and a 50 are both a failing grade.

00:32:59.880 And so the idea is you must basically cook the grade books to put 50s in as zeros.

00:33:07.100 And that way, if the student turns in anything, if they turn in just a few assignments, then that 50 turns into a 60.

00:33:14.020 And a 60 is a D.

00:33:15.420 It's a passing grade.

00:33:16.780 And so a student could literally, and this happened all the time, do no work their entire semester.

00:33:23.420 And then one of the principals calls him in and sits him down and says, you got to turn in like three assignments, and then you can pass the class and move on to the next grade.

00:33:34.940 And so the student begrudgingly sits down and barely turns in anything.

00:33:40.920 They bump their grade from the 50 to the 60, and suddenly they pass.

00:33:45.280 Well, this was originally, you know, only designed for a certain number of people.

00:33:50.400 But during the pandemic, what we quickly realized is that a lot of students weren't showing up, especially, actually, students who did not speak English well.

00:34:00.340 A lot of their families were not having them show up at all.

00:34:04.300 And you can't have all those kids fail.

00:34:06.580 Like, no school district is going to be like, oh, by the way, all the Spanish-speaking kids failed. 0.99

00:34:11.840 And all of the kids in especially minority households where their parents, you know, had often many other concerns, they were underperforming already before those things, they started failing at much higher rates as well.

00:34:23.720 We are not letting that happen.

00:34:25.540 And so what happened was we shifted that from just a few students, students in particular silos, we moved that policy of grading with grace out of that, and we applied it to everybody.

00:34:40.180 Everybody was allowed to turn in assignments basically whenever they wanted, and everybody got a 50 instead of a zero.

00:34:48.100 And amazingly, the grades didn't suffer that bad.

00:34:50.580 It turns out that we didn't actually just fail entire swaths of people who didn't turn in their work during that.

00:34:57.440 In fact, we went ahead and moved everybody on.

00:34:59.860 So during the couple years where a lot of states closed their schools for as many as two years in many places, actually, your students learned nothing.

00:35:09.660 And their grades meant nothing.

00:35:11.040 And it's all a lie.

00:35:12.260 It's all a lie.

00:35:13.300 And nobody's talking about this.

00:35:14.860 Nobody is talking about the fact that basically for multiple years, we pretended that millions of children passed grades they did not pass and have no education.

00:35:28.480 And not only is that the case, but of course now grading with grace has become the baseline.

00:35:35.020 Now this is how all public education works for all children, all the time.

00:35:41.180 All of them are graded this way, and they expect to be graded this way.

00:35:44.920 In fact, the only thing, the only thing that differentiates most advanced classes from on-level classes in the school system is that on-level classes get graded with grace,

00:36:00.080 and students in advanced classes get graded the way that you and I were graded when we were in school.

00:36:05.660 And so now a lot of kids don't want to be in advanced classes because the advanced classes aren't learning basically anything different.

00:36:12.560 They aren't actually being challenged.

00:36:14.280 There's no real difference.

00:36:15.100 It just means you have to actually turn in your work in an advanced class.

00:36:18.400 That's it.

00:36:19.020 Like, that's the real difference.

00:36:21.220 And so this vast shift in grading has made the public school system even more of a disaster.

00:36:27.260 On top of this, parents realized once kids came home with their Chromebooks and started taking all their classes on Skype or Zoom that actually their teachers, in addition, we're just teaching them nothing, which they often in cases, you know, we're not teaching them anything.

00:36:44.220 But we're actually teaching them to hate themselves. 0.97

00:36:47.340 We're teaching them all this woke DEI garbage. 1.00

00:36:50.700 We're teaching them to hate the color of their skin, hate their religion, hate their parents, hate their history. 1.00

00:36:55.980 And they're like, I've got to get my kid out of this.

00:36:58.620 This is suicide to leave my kid in these classes.

00:37:03.200 And so what they ended up doing is saying, I've got to go ahead and find a way to get my kid into a charter school or private school or homeschool them.

00:37:11.240 So this mass exodus was already going to occur simply because people started realizing what the schools were actually doing.

00:37:19.700 And they didn't even know about the grading stuff.

00:37:22.260 But this is just another incentive on top of that to move kids out of these schools.

00:37:26.940 Right.

00:37:27.220 And now the schools are panicking because a mass exodus was already occurring.

00:37:32.860 We are already seeing this shift without the school funding programs.

00:37:36.460 But the fact that states like Florida have been diligently working to connect funding to the student and not to the system to feed the education of the student and not the corrupt system has meant that there is a model that will undermine the monopoly that these corrupt, useless systems have on education.

00:37:57.600 And that is a huge change because so many of these schools are just not educating children at all.

00:38:03.360 I sat through meetings where the principal straight up said, yeah, we're teaching kids to pass the test because that's what gets them out of here and funds our school.

00:38:11.460 Like not even no hesitation, no moral problem with that statement when other teachers were like, well, we can't do that.

00:38:17.320 That's immoral.

00:38:18.100 That's not teaching children.

00:38:19.960 The principal, I'm not even making this up and I'm not even exaggerating, that I don't care.

00:38:26.500 That's what they're tested on.

00:38:28.220 Period.

00:38:28.760 Like that's it.

00:38:29.600 That's it.

00:38:30.760 And so that's the type of incentive structure that a school with no competition is operating under.

00:38:38.960 And the fact that now there's competition and that now people actually have to worry about the end of public schools is fundamentally shifting the type of structure that they are investing in.

00:38:49.900 Now, I want to talk about the end of public schools real quick.

00:38:53.100 I think we were many of you watching here.

00:38:56.000 I'm just going to guess we're already sold on the idea that maybe public schools aren't great.

00:39:00.380 So I probably didn't have to sell you on that idea so much.

00:39:04.420 But I want to talk to you about the shift because ultimately it does matter.

00:39:08.680 Like I said, when this thing is unspooling, it matters how it happens.

00:39:13.160 Because really, public schools, one of the reasons they're bad is that they have a significant disadvantage.

00:39:21.040 One of the advantages that private schools have and that charter schools have is that they can say no to students.

00:39:27.060 They don't have to take every student.

00:39:28.720 And in many cases, that makes them much better schools because there's a hard truth that we're all going to have to talk about now.

00:39:36.000 There's a debate that broke out on Twitter about public schools.

00:39:39.940 And someone said basically, well, yeah, public schools, they do.

00:39:43.660 They admitted like these are public school advocates, right?

00:39:46.100 People who are trying to make the pace for public schools.

00:39:48.300 I said, ultimately, yeah, public schools do basically have to dumb down stuff.

00:39:53.120 They do have to strip out all of the gifted programs and all the programs that challenge students that are promising.

00:39:58.720 Because really, we can't educate the masses at like this base level if we're dedicating resources and shaping our classes to educate kids who are above the standard.

00:40:11.900 And a lot of people are like, well, I can't believe you said that.

00:40:14.500 But like, that's just obviously true.

00:40:16.360 Okay.

00:40:17.140 Public education is always going to be mediocre for the same reason that cafeteria food is mediocre.

00:40:24.200 Because you have to mass produce it for everybody.

00:40:26.380 And if you can't take the time to tailor programs, to focus on people, to deal with the individual, then when you try to massify things, ultimately, it will always degrade in quality.

00:40:39.740 And the problem for the public school system is really only exploding because ultimately what we've been doing is allowing a lot of people into this country that shouldn't be here. 1.00

00:40:50.560 Illegal immigrants, mass immigration that just should not be occurring even in the legal side.

00:40:55.880 And a lot of the people we are bringing in don't share our values, don't share tradition, don't share heritage, and don't even share our language.

00:41:02.900 A lot of the children being brought in are children who don't speak English.

00:41:08.880 And while I understand why, look, if I lived outside the United States, especially in a third world country, yeah, I would want to be here too.

00:41:15.560 I get it.

00:41:16.060 But ultimately, the problem is that if you're dedicating your resources to teaching children who are in ninth grade how to speak basic English, if you're spending all of your time trying to bring standards down low enough to where they can pass a class that should be challenging a child who is looking to go to college or otherwise enter a workforce that should be well-trained, skilled, rigorous, then you're going to destroy the education of the other children.

00:41:43.680 You just are.

00:41:45.020 And it also means that you have to lower the discipline for a lot of students because a lot of people are coming from countries where they've never seen a public school or the public schools they have barely exist. 1.00

00:41:56.320 They have never had to have the kind of behavioral standards that you expect in a classroom.

00:42:01.560 And so not only do you have to teach them the language, you have to spend a lot of time discipline and retraining and drilling students in a way that allows them to exist in a classroom environment.

00:42:11.640 But that is itself its own process.

00:42:14.060 And you can't just begin it in ninth or tenth grade, something that starts early on.

00:42:18.700 Whether we like it or not, these massive institutions shape the way that people interact with each other and interact with authority.

00:42:25.120 And you can't just start that in the middle.

00:42:27.340 Now, in a lot of ways, I think maybe we shouldn't be shaping kids this way.

00:42:30.940 And that's why I'm glad that we have the option to homeschool.

00:42:33.920 We have the option to private school.

00:42:35.420 We have the option to charter school where they can break out and try different things that don't push children towards this homogenized identity and this homogenized way of learning and this really, I think, destructive way of understanding how we should shape minds.

00:42:52.920 But that only happens if we don't have to force everyone into the system that has to educate, like, I don't know, 100 million kids a year or something.

00:43:01.060 Like, if you don't change the structure, if you don't change this fundamental way that you are kind of pressing every kid into the same mold, you're going to continue to get just degradation of human capital inside the United States.

00:43:17.540 And so, ultimately, it's really important to have these systems because it breaks that up.

00:43:22.520 However, that means that, really, at some point, we probably will always have public schools.

00:43:26.740 I think we probably will, for a very long time, have public schools.

00:43:30.580 But their roles will be reduced.

00:43:32.300 And that's a good thing.

00:43:33.320 It's good that the focus on education is moving away from the mass institution and more into homeschooling and private schooling.

00:43:39.740 Because what that does is it reacquaints the parent with the idea that they are responsible for their child's education.

00:43:49.720 Like I said, right now, most people, and just throughout history, people are going to do the default.

00:43:54.320 They're going to do what's in front of them.

00:43:56.120 And one of the reasons that we have created the total state, by my book, by my book,

00:44:00.160 one of the reasons we have created the total state is that we handed over a lot of these responsibilities

00:44:04.640 that belonged to parents and belonged to communities.

00:44:07.980 And we gave them these mass managerial bureaucratic structures.

00:44:11.900 And the public school is just the perfect encapsulation of that problem.

00:44:16.820 Educating children used to be the job of a parent.

00:44:19.980 And in lieu of a parent, they might hire a tutor.

00:44:22.580 Or maybe, you know, if their community was organized enough,

00:44:27.460 there might be schools that they could send their child to to do that job for them.

00:44:32.000 However, the the onus was still on the parent.

00:44:35.760 The authority lay with the parent, the the decision of where they would be schooled,

00:44:40.600 and if it would be in school by an institution or themselves, always with the parent.

00:44:45.040 The duty lies with the parent with that shift to having a mandatory public school everywhere

00:44:52.000 that is sponsored by the state and is the default everywhere.

00:44:56.160 That meant that parents just gave up that responsibility almost automatically,

00:45:00.560 and they invested a large amount of the social power that rested in the spheres of the communities

00:45:07.580 and the churches, which are often involved in public and or rather private education and homeschooling.

00:45:13.880 All of that duty got shifted into the public sphere, got shifted into the sphere of the state

00:45:19.400 because dependency drives sovereignty.

00:45:23.420 If you're dependent on a parent, then they have the sovereignty over you.

00:45:27.920 If you're dependent on a church because they fund your private school, then they have sovereignty over you.

00:45:35.620 But if you're dependent on the state because they provide schooling,

00:45:39.020 and unfortunately, more importantly for our current economic system,

00:45:44.480 warehouse the children so the parents can both work, then that is what will be sovereign.

00:45:48.720 And so we've ceded a large amount of power to the state because of this.

00:45:52.520 And so the shift in public education, even though it's not immediate,

00:45:56.260 it's not the immediate miracle solution that a lot of libertarians and conservatives would like,

00:46:02.280 this shift is critical because it reintroduces the idea to the parent that ultimately they are the one who makes the decision.

00:46:11.260 And slowly, hopefully, we can move this to the point where, you know, they take on more and more of that responsibility.

00:46:19.460 Public schools will still exist to educate students that otherwise are not profitable for charter schools

00:46:24.560 or can't be homeschooled or don't fit into private schools for whatever reason.

00:46:30.480 And, you know, that means they're going to carry distinct burden because of that.

00:46:34.580 But ultimately, that system will shift the majority of responsibility out of the hands of the state.

00:46:39.660 And that's really what we want to see, because one day it would be great if schooling is once again understood as the duty of the parent first

00:46:47.640 and the community and the church second and never the duty of the state itself.

00:46:53.820 Only in the most dramatic cases does the state have to take over or be involved in it,

00:46:58.720 because ultimately that duty should rest in the more local spheres of people who should have that level of sovereignty in the first place,

00:47:06.120 the parent, the church, the community.

00:47:08.100 All right, guys, we're going to switch over to the questions of the people here real quick.

00:47:12.600 Looks like we've got a decent amount of them, actually.

00:47:15.020 Wolfbane, I see you're going to ask the same question every stream now.

00:47:17.740 He says, have you heard of the Corbin Society?

00:47:20.500 Yes, I have, because you've asked me several times.

00:47:23.480 I am now familiar.

00:47:24.760 I promise I will check out the YouTube.

00:47:26.720 They've already I think they already mentioned something in the last stream.

00:47:29.480 So they were watching as well.

00:47:30.780 Don't worry.

00:47:31.240 I promise I'll check them out.

00:47:32.280 I get it.

00:47:32.820 You were successfully received.

00:47:34.620 You don't have to keep throwing money at it, though.

00:47:36.200 If you want to, I won't stop you.

00:47:38.540 Creeper Weirdo says, but Orin, this doesn't make Elon Musk king.

00:47:43.920 Therefore, it's worthless.

00:47:45.160 It doesn't really help anything.

00:47:46.340 Yarvin created the red pill after all.

00:47:48.560 Yeah, again, we're not looking for these miracle solution guys.

00:47:51.200 And while I deeply respect Curtis Yarvin, I don't think that only waiting until the one the one, you know, magical Caesar comes in and solves every problem is the actual solution.

00:48:02.260 Again, as I advocate in my book, The Total State, I think that we should be looking for practical application of power now.

00:48:10.980 And shifting state funding to private sector or to private schools or homeschools is a beautiful example of how you at the state level can do way more than is getting done at the federal level.

00:48:24.200 Ultimately, I don't know what's going to happen with Donald Trump, but shifting public education funding at the state level probably will have way more impact than the educational policy that actually gets implemented by a new Trump administration.

00:48:38.160 Alexandra says, Orin, ruin podcast for me.

00:48:44.560 I can no longer listen to these typical shows about the latest outreach cycle because I crave something more in depth.

00:48:50.140 Thank you, Orin.

00:48:50.680 Very cool.

00:48:51.180 Well, thank you so much, guys.

00:48:52.740 Look, I hope that that's the case.

00:48:54.480 And don't get me wrong.

00:48:56.160 There are a lot of people who are much better at doing the news of the day than me.

00:49:00.960 And all respect to them, right?

00:49:02.860 I just stay out of there late.

00:49:04.480 That is an art form.

00:49:06.500 People do need it to some extent.

00:49:08.380 And so, in general, I try to avoid that, though.

00:49:10.980 Of course, I do talk about news of the day.

00:49:12.420 Sometimes there are breaking events that I think are important.

00:49:14.900 But what I try to do on this show is zoom out a little bit.

00:49:18.300 Look at things not just in the trenches, but let's look at things a little further back.

00:49:24.060 Instead of chasing the news cycle often that is driven by the left, let's look at things that are trends that are more important.

00:49:31.440 Like, today we read a piece from a major leftist news outlet, but we did it in the context of a larger movement of trying to understand power and politics.

00:49:40.900 And I hope that's what I'm bringing to the table.

00:49:42.580 I appreciate the people who appreciate that.

00:49:45.200 Of course, I couldn't do this without you guys.

00:49:46.980 So, I'm glad there's an audience for this because there is a large audience for News of the Day.

00:49:52.120 I could have just been another one of those guys, but maybe I couldn't because that's not where my skill set is.

00:49:55.660 So, I'm glad that many of you have followed me into something more like this where we can do a little bit of a deeper dive into systems and how they work and how they influence our politics.

00:50:07.360 A perspicacious heretic says the techno-globalists tend to use nudge tactics.

00:50:11.860 It seems that you're advocating similar here.

00:50:14.480 This is ultimately a valid strategy in the right hands.

00:50:17.340 So, to be clear, I don't think this is a nudge tactic so much.

00:50:20.440 I do get what you're saying here.

00:50:22.080 But I'm not trying to reprogram.

00:50:23.780 Well, I guess I should say this.

00:50:25.680 I am trying to reprogram behavior.

00:50:27.900 However, I'm trying to retrain behavior towards a direction of taking on more responsibility.

00:50:38.300 So, I guess you could say this is a nudge tactic.

00:50:40.640 But ultimately, what I think is it's a recognition of the fact that every battle is not a 10,000-foot,

00:50:48.140 oh, man, we have to slay the giant, blow up the power, ring in Mount Doom, or else.

00:50:53.500 But instead, recognizing that these incremental wins and these shifts in incentives can ultimately be good things.

00:51:01.700 However, we're not trying to do that through building larger institutions or even taking over institutions.

00:51:08.140 We're actually dismantling institutions in this case, right?

00:51:11.360 And simply by incentivizing parents, or not even incentivizing parents, we're not even giving them more money.

00:51:17.480 It's not like the parents are like, hey, by the way, now you have a bonus to go homeschool your kid or something.

00:51:23.460 What we're really just doing is giving them back their own money, or not even all of their own money, but just a portion of their own money.

00:51:29.080 And then I think natural behavior takes its course.

00:51:31.360 So maybe we're not so much nudging as dismantling the nudge, you know, getting rid of the apparatus that would be nudging children in a particular direction by handing them back.

00:51:40.480 We're not dictating that kids have to go to Christian schools with this funding.

00:51:44.560 We're not dictating that homeschooling has to deliver a certain message with this funding.

00:51:49.380 We're just saying, no, the funds are yours, and you should be able to use them to educate your children in the way that you want.

00:51:55.840 It's not so much nudging as returning sovereignty back to spheres that should have held it in the first place.

00:52:02.500 Cooper Weirdo says, but John Oliver says, yes.

00:52:05.680 By the way, I think the only video I've had taken down in a long time is because John Oliver falsely claimed copyright on it.

00:52:14.600 So you can check that out at BlazeTV.

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00:52:30.660 No, no super chat, but just a support of the show.

00:52:33.440 Appreciate it very much.

00:52:36.800 Shane Cosgrove says, Brian Kaplan's The Case Against Education is mandatory reading.

00:52:42.320 It's too bad.

00:52:43.480 He's an open borders guy.

00:52:44.780 Yeah, I'm not familiar with that book, but good to know.

00:52:47.960 Unfortunately, often libertarianism has people make good decisions and bad decisions at the same time.

00:52:56.980 Let's see.

00:52:57.420 Robert Weinsfeld says, if a system is what it does, government schools are more are more indoctrinating the millions of mid Intel employees and paying them with benefits.

00:53:10.400 But perversely, perversely, it is hopefully sorry.

00:53:15.920 This one's a little broken for me.

00:53:17.220 Maybe I'm just reading it wrong is not educating the kids enough to indoctrinate them.

00:53:22.000 You know, so you're saying maybe they're so bad at educating them.

00:53:25.200 They're not indoctrinating them.

00:53:26.820 I don't know, man.

00:53:27.560 I'll just say this.

00:53:28.380 I do think that ultimately the schools are a disaster.

00:53:32.140 They do drive a lot of the problems that we're facing, the right of the problems that the right are facing.

00:53:37.940 I think it's great that people are recognizing that the system is not about educating their children, but it is about indoctrinating them, especially in ways to hate them, which is, of course, a disaster.

00:53:48.880 It's separating parents from their children, ultimately questioning the authority of the parents and driving them away from the ability to raise their children how they see fit.

00:53:58.320 I think it's great that there are steps that are practical that could be taken to dismantle this system and encourage children to once again be raised by their parents or by institutions that actually value what their parents value.

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00:54:49.520 I've had a lot of people ask me about signing books.

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00:55:13.300 It'll definitely be sold out by next week when I'm speaking there.

00:55:16.580 But if you would like to attend, you still have the opportunity to check that out.

00:55:19.380 So you should go do that.

00:55:20.840 And when you're there, say hi.

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00:55:25.740 And I'll be delivering a speech there along with many other very based people.

00:55:31.040 So make sure that you go ahead and check that out.

00:55:32.960 A lot of people ask, what can we do?

00:55:34.840 What are the practical things?

00:55:36.060 You don't have a practical solution.

00:55:37.760 Here's your practical solution.

00:55:38.800 Stop saying that.

00:55:39.600 Stop whining.

00:55:40.540 Stop being the guy in the comments on the internet asking, where's my solution?

00:55:43.760 And go be part of the solution.

00:55:45.120 These conferences are where we network, where we form organizations, where the rubber really

00:55:50.280 meets the road.

00:55:51.920 So stop crying about the lack of solutions and become part of the solution.

00:55:56.800 All right, guys, I'm going to go ahead and wrap this up.

00:55:59.360 Thank you so much for watching.

00:56:01.200 And as always, I will talk to you next time.

The Auron MacIntyre Show - May 29, 2024

The End of Public Schools ｜ 5⧸29⧸24

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