The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Far Right's Evil Plan to Have Babies ｜ Guest： Peachy Keenan ｜ 5⧸1⧸24

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00:00:37.840 So, the left have uncovered a diabolical plot.

00:00:42.300 The press have uncovered the worst thing that the far right has on its agenda.

00:00:47.320 To have this terrible, evil plan to go ahead and take over America. 0.76

00:00:52.480 Conquer democracy.

00:00:53.820 Get rid of all that we hold dear.

00:00:56.000 And that plan, it seems, is to have children.

00:00:59.000 Children, yes.

00:00:59.980 They're very, very worried about people having families, having kids, reproducing, being happy, healthy, you know, just family units inside society.

00:01:09.820 And so, I wanted to talk a little bit about why the left is so terrified of this.

00:01:15.000 Why do progressives find healthy families, intact families, to be such terrible things?

00:01:21.220 And joining me to do that today is the author of Domestic Extremism.

00:01:25.440 She's a contributing editor over at The American Mind.

00:01:27.740 Keisha Keenan, thanks for coming on.

00:01:29.700 Hi there.

00:01:30.180 It's great to be here.

00:01:30.980 Thanks for having me.

00:01:32.320 Absolutely.

00:01:32.820 So, Politico had this absolutely insane hit piece about how, you know, the far right, it's done.

00:01:39.700 It's done with the idea of elections.

00:01:41.400 It's done with the idea of democracy.

00:01:43.620 It's got a new and nefarious plan.

00:01:45.780 And the obsession with having children.

00:01:49.620 Could you tell me a little bit about why you and the many people who attended this pro-natalist conference suddenly became targets for the left?

00:02:00.520 Yeah, that was hilarious.

00:02:01.660 That article calling people like me who just want to have children and, you know, stop population decline are now far right extremists.

00:02:11.560 It just completely validates the title of my book, which was all about this, which is called Domestic Extremist, A Practical Guide to Winning the Culture War.

00:02:20.420 And in that book, I make this exact case that really the only way out of our predicament, our cultural predicament, political, all of it is for people to kind of remember kind of the traditional ways of being.

00:02:33.380 Traditional marriage, having more than one or two kids and kind of reclaim that.

00:02:37.680 And we don't really even have to reclaim it.

00:02:39.320 We're still living the life that, let's say, our parents did when it was normal to have, you know, stay married and have more than two kids.

00:02:45.980 And the left has has kind of like jettisoned those ideas for progressivism.

00:02:51.660 And now they're shocked to see that some people haven't gone along with their plan.

00:02:55.280 We're still trying to do, you know, the plan that kind of we were taught as children.

00:02:59.840 And so it's hilarious that that makes us extremists.

00:03:02.880 And I like to say I'm not a real domestic extremist.

00:03:05.620 I'm just extremely domestic.

00:03:07.880 Well, that's the far more dangerous variety for them right now, right?

00:03:12.200 They want the domestic extremists.

00:03:14.860 They want the people they can parade around as, you know, possible terrorist threats to the republic, right?

00:03:20.860 The worst thing you could possibly be is a rural white person who is angry with the government, right? 0.84

00:03:25.920 This is the boogeyman that they're wanting to shake in front of people.

00:03:29.420 But that's the useful one.

00:03:30.720 That's the one that that has no real danger to the regime.

00:03:33.960 It's the people who might actually build stable social structures, who might bring traditional values and a way of life that is far more attractive and, you know, really wholesome to the average person.

00:03:47.780 Those are the people that I think probably undermine a lot of what the current ideology stands for.

00:03:53.140 Because if people can look at a, well, I'd say alternative, but really it's the traditional way of life and see that it's something that it just offers more, is more fulfilling, is far more stable.

00:04:04.040 People, then they, you know, they look at the things around them, the gross, you know, kind of garbage world that's being pushed out to them.

00:04:09.760 And they say, this isn't something that I want to be involved in.

00:04:13.420 Right.

00:04:13.840 And that's the irony is that, in fact, like you said, we are a danger to the regime and to the powers that be in a way that is, I think, terrifying to them.

00:04:23.260 And I think, and I go into this in my book, and I think the reason is, you know, as we know, study after study shows that, for example, women who are married tend to vote more conservative than women who are not married.

00:04:35.200 Families, parents, people who have children tend to be more conservative and care more about the schools and what their kids are learning than people who have no children, people who have no, like I like to say, no kid in the game.

00:04:45.780 Right.

00:04:46.500 These people have nothing to live for.

00:04:48.940 They don't care about a legacy.

00:04:50.240 They don't care about the future.

00:04:51.620 They don't have anything to care about in the present either.

00:04:55.060 And when you have a family, now you have something to protect and to conserve.

00:04:58.720 And you can look around and see all these bad ideas out there, like you said, the garbage that we're living in now.

00:05:03.580 You can take steps to protect yourself and your family from those things at the public school and just everywhere.

00:05:11.220 And that is dangerous because that produces a generation of children who are not getting the message that they want these children to get.

00:05:19.300 They're not becoming brainwashed to think they can change their gender and becoming these kind of this sort of like mindless army for the regime.

00:05:28.180 We're seeing this play out on college campuses all week of children who have been raised to kind of absorb all of these messages from feminism to activism, you know, radical far left political ideology.

00:05:41.320 And what that turns them into is just these kind of mindless robots, you know, tearing down institutions and really society.

00:05:51.040 And so by becoming, by staying traditional, by having a family, you're really protecting yourself.

00:05:55.920 And it's really, you know, I think of my children as becoming basically immunized.

00:06:00.020 You know, I've kind of given them a vaccine to the bad, the worst part of our culture.

00:06:07.020 Absolutely. I want to go a little more into how the family has now been politicized and why it's so critical to break down that structure, because I think you're exactly right that it does provide a barrier that really worries kind of the powers that be,

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00:07:47.980 So like you were saying, it seems like the regime is particularly worried about intact healthy family structures because a lot of what is important to the message right now is the breaking down of all bonds and all identity, right?

00:08:04.500 You have to make sure that every kid is programmable by the media and consumerist culture from the bottom up.

00:08:11.620 Anytime they need to switch things up, new message, new plan, they need to be able to just kind of blow into educational systems and everything, deliver that.

00:08:19.920 They don't want parents.

00:08:21.080 They don't want anything that hinders that.

00:08:22.780 They certainly don't want religion or any barriers that would naturally kind of stand between that.

00:08:27.740 And so in that respect, you understand how family got political, but it does seem very strange that the government that is supposed to expect to have a future, right, which is relying on to some degree population growth.

00:08:43.880 You know, we constantly have to hear about why we need immigration and these things.

00:08:47.040 You need these numbers to go up.

00:08:48.480 You have to keep the entitlements flowing, this kind of thing.

00:08:50.360 How did a regime that is kind of built on this idea of infinite growth also develop this ideology that basically dooms its population to not reproduce?

00:09:02.380 Yeah, it's really interesting.

00:09:05.280 I think that they see that, you know, the middle class, the kind of traditional, you know, heritage American middle class is the main threat.

00:09:12.840 And this is sort of like the Trump voter, the Trump voter center right, the people who are still religious, still kind of clinging to their guns and their religion, people who don't just normies who don't want to see their children get kind of sucked into the gender maelstrom and cut their body parts off.

00:09:31.860 You know, we still want to, you know, salute the American flag and not like the progress pride flag.

00:09:38.260 So, you know, basically, normie America is the is the threat.

00:09:43.960 And so I think that they've just decided to go all in on shrinking that class as much as possible because of the electoral threat that it poses. 0.94

00:09:54.340 And if they can just shrink it a little more and then bring in as many immigrants as possible while they still can, then they're kind of locked in forever. 1.00

00:10:02.300 So it's a very short term, short sighted, obviously, strategy, if you're thinking about what the heck they're up to.

00:10:09.580 But I think that's it. And I mean, you know, people say, well, there's what they want is just like a giant surf class with a few elites at the top.

00:10:16.100 And it feels like we're definitely going to be heading that way.

00:10:19.360 That's what if you look at inflation and prices and just quality of life issues and the inability of young people to even dream about owning a home.

00:10:28.380 And we are heading to a two class society with no middle class, with just elites and serfs. 0.95

00:10:33.840 And and that's fine with them. And it does seem short sighted because, yes, where is the growth?

00:10:38.840 Where is that going to come from? And I don't know. It's obviously to me, it's suicide for a nation to be heading to that direction.

00:10:46.420 Growing the middle class is what made America great in the 20th century.

00:10:50.620 That is what distinguished us from, you know, the rest of the world.

00:10:53.960 And we can't and that starts with a family that starts with a mother and a father raising their children and like having their own family culture and going to church or whatever religious services every week and teaching their children to kind of be like them.

00:11:09.620 And that's what makes you a good American. And that is, you know, not allowed anymore.

00:11:15.820 It's basically illegal. Almost. It feels like here in Los Angeles, where they're banning, literally banning in my area, you know, the traditional Latin mass.

00:11:25.240 You know, as we know, the FBI has already been, you know, putting the traditional Latin mass goers on like the FBI watch list, which is so funny because of they're being thought of as domestic extremists, 0.56

00:11:38.040 just like parents who speak out at a at a school board meeting being called, you know, domestic terrorists or whatever by Merrick Garland.

00:11:43.760 And so that's the place we're in. And so my only response to that and the reason I wrote the book is to really give people inspire people who feel like they're alone in a foxhole, that you're not alone.

00:11:55.400 There are a lot of us out there and we're not going to go quietly.

00:11:58.300 I think it's really important that the event, the NatCon, the pro natalist event was the center of this article, this hit piece, because Kevin Dolan, who's been at Phylactery on Twitter,

00:12:14.760 somebody I've had on the show multiple times, he put this on.

00:12:18.440 And I know they're asking a lot of questions around this, and I know you've addressed this as well.

00:12:22.940 There seems to be a mixture of issues at play. Obviously, our government, our society, the way we have things structured right now is very anti-family.

00:12:33.300 It is set up to hurt people who are trying to start families, to discourage people from involving themselves in the raising of their children,

00:12:41.180 to make sure to separate the children from the authority of those parents as soon as they have them.

00:12:45.620 Just everything about our social system right now seems to be set up against this.

00:12:51.080 However, we've also seen governments around the world implement pro-family policies,

00:12:58.340 and those don't always necessarily actually increase significantly the birth rate.

00:13:04.320 And so I wonder if you could speak first to why you think the birth rate is falling.

00:13:09.860 Is it just these policies? What policies are impacting young people that they can't have children?

00:13:15.140 And if it's not just those policies, what other cultural, social, spiritual factors do you think are driving down the desire of people to have children or the ability to have children?

00:13:26.440 Yeah, the natal conference that you're talking about, that was back in December in Austin, and I spoke at it along with a lot of people.

00:13:33.180 There was a couple of, you know, trads like me, and then there were sort of geneticists and people who were kind of delving into the science of population decline.

00:13:40.560 It was really interesting. It wasn't extremist, like at all. It was really funny to read the article.

00:13:48.060 So, I mean, I think that having children has just become just this sort of thing that for a young woman,

00:13:55.060 and I think this is really where it starts with feminism, which is what also my book tackles, 0.93

00:13:59.560 is just this is feminism reaping what they've sown and teaching young women, young girls. 1.00

00:14:05.140 I mean, I was taught this from age, you know, 10, 11, that the highest, you know, the best thing you can do with your life

00:14:13.080 and what you actually need to do to really find yourself and to kind of self-actualize as a person

00:14:17.980 is to avoid at all costs, you can do whatever you need to do, avoid pregnancy, avoid marriage, 0.98

00:14:23.720 until you have your career established, because that is how you express your true value

00:14:28.960 as a human being and as a person, okay? And so women are, young girls are put on the birth control pill 0.99

00:14:36.420 quite young. I remember, you know, they were, they would give it out at my sex ed class in like middle

00:14:41.380 school and in college, it was basically free. And, and, and, you know, the Planned Parenthood messaging,

00:14:47.920 which is all about, you know, exploring sexuality and don't, don't settle down, have as many partners

00:14:52.780 as you want. And just kind of all the guardrails that we're used to for young people removed,

00:14:58.660 right? The sex in the city lifestyle, you know, I'm Gen X, that's what we grew up kind of aspiring to.

00:15:03.340 And, but when you look at it, it's like actually quite dark, that lifestyle, just a long, you know,

00:15:08.520 and I think now with Tinder, you know, women are on that app. They got, I wrote about this, 0.54

00:15:12.920 they people, there's women who got on Tinder the day, the day it launched in the app store and 10 years

00:15:17.380 later, we're still on Tinder. And I mean, if that's not like a cautionary tale, I don't know what is.

00:15:21.720 Um, so I think that, you know, girl boss, girl power that has just taught young women that anything 0.99

00:15:28.640 that takes you outside that track, like staying home with your baby, you know, for a year or for

00:15:33.920 two years or whatever is like shocking taboo. And I've experienced this so many times with young

00:15:39.420 women who I worked with when I was a head of corporate writing career, they would have their 1.00

00:15:44.640 baby and there was just not even a, no one even would suggest to them, maybe you should like,

00:15:49.160 maybe it'd be great for you to stay home with your baby if you want to nurse it. And until it's old

00:15:54.280 enough to go to school. I mean, even just to say that to someone would have gotten you fired,

00:15:59.080 blackballed as like a crazy woman hater. You want to ruin her life. You want to ruin her career. I'm 1.00

00:16:04.540 like, well, well, no, I'm thinking about what actually you want as a woman. You don't want to 1.00

00:16:09.320 leave your baby. It's the most natural, normal thing in the world. Um, the maternal instinct is very

00:16:15.560 powerful and you just have this overwhelming instinct to be with that infant physically

00:16:20.580 close to that infant, um, as much as possible every day, like as long as you can. I mean,

00:16:26.300 that was what I experienced. And that's why I didn't go back to work in an office after I had

00:16:31.000 my first child. Um, except for, I did for a few years when my oldest was in preschool at the time,

00:16:37.720 then I had a fifth baby and that was it. I was done forever. I was never going back,

00:16:42.180 but I would see young women come back, um, from maternity leave and they would, I'd be like, 1.00

00:16:46.680 well, where's your baby? And they're six week old. And they're like, oh, well, he's in school.

00:16:50.440 I dropped him off at school, you know? And it's like, they would show me pictures of like literally

00:16:54.120 a six week old newborn at a daycare. And I just, you know, I can't like, to me, it's like so

00:17:00.180 traumatic, um, to think about that baby with being without the mother and the mother without the baby.

00:17:05.600 And they would talk themselves into this as being normal and okay. And everyone agreed,

00:17:09.260 this is normal. This is okay. This is just what you do. This is what you do. And so for me to say,

00:17:15.760 I'm not coming back. I want to nurse my, my baby. I nursed her for two years. My last baby,

00:17:22.140 I couldn't quit her. Um, that was abnormal. And that was like, for shocking. And people would say,

00:17:27.680 well, you're giving up your, you know, I was making six figure salary and all incredible benefits,

00:17:32.920 all these perks. And like, how can you give this up? But to me, yeah, it was a huge sacrifice,

00:17:37.440 financial sacrifice, but like, it wasn't a debate. Like I couldn't, it would have been like cutting

00:17:42.940 off my arm. You know what I mean? But women have been kind of talked out of that. They have been 1.00

00:17:48.040 kind of mind flayed to not even allow themselves to remember what the maternal instinct is. Therefore,

00:17:56.140 what, what the purpose of that mother child bond is because your career is the only thing that matters.

00:18:01.960 And I think that that, and we see this over and over again in, in, in all, even third world

00:18:06.320 countries that traditionally had very high birth rates, as you introduce birth control and abortion

00:18:11.020 to those countries and careerism and feminism, the birth rates plummet. And so now we're seeing

00:18:17.040 countries all throughout South America, um, and Asia, obviously having incredibly low birth rates.

00:18:22.880 I'm not saying women need eight, nine, 10 kids. That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying,

00:18:26.460 you know, to beat the replacement rate, which is like 2.1. Okay. So like three kids takes care of it.

00:18:30.720 But, um, even that is completely out of reach to women who want, who decide they're going to,

00:18:36.120 they're going to work instead. So obviously there's this social pressure, right? And that's a,

00:18:44.140 that's a massive component. Like you said, the way that, you know, women are told where their value

00:18:48.940 comes from and how they need to approach dating and marriage and all of these things. But to be fair

00:18:53.700 for a lot of people who do want children, there is a financial barrier. And like you said, of course,

00:18:59.780 for you, it's, you know, it was a financial sacrifice, but I'm, I would imagine you probably

00:19:04.620 had a husband who was able to still be able to take care of you. And so there's a, there's a

00:19:08.740 situation that is also, uh, a lot of people are in where they're reliant on these dual incomes.

00:19:14.540 We've inflated our economy to the point where it's impossible. You know, you look back to TV shows

00:19:19.160 from the seventies and the eighties and a guy with, you know, four kids and a wife who stays home is

00:19:25.140 like a shoe salesman. And I know TV isn't real life, but that was, but that was something that

00:19:29.400 was relatable, you know? Oh, you're like a manager at a hardware store. Of course you can afford

00:19:33.920 a home with multiple children and a stay at home wife. And today that seems impossible for a lot of 0.92

00:19:40.220 people. So, uh, you know, obviously the social impact is massive and all the things that you've just

00:19:45.060 discussed, but there is to be fair, a, a, uh, economic issue and a way we structure our, our

00:19:51.920 society. That is a big problem. And I think that for the most part, conservatives, Republicans, the

00:19:58.100 GOP, they've been in on this, right? Like they, they have, they have been involved in creating the

00:20:03.840 economy and the social situation. They talk about family values. You know, you get people talking about

00:20:09.660 the importance of family values, but they don't promote anything that actually would create the

00:20:14.580 ability to people have families. So can you speak a little bit about the structural and economic

00:20:18.400 problems that come from both the left and right that keep people who do want to have children from

00:20:22.320 having them? Yeah. I mean, this is the major issue that you keep running into the wall, like how more

00:20:26.640 kids, but I mean, how, how can I, I can't afford it. And I actually do address this in my book. Um,

00:20:31.680 whenever I pitch an idea, for example, something like if you have three or more kids, you don't pay

00:20:37.000 income tax, or if you have three or more kids, you get, you know, 0% mortgage or something, some,

00:20:42.760 something that will give people the incentive or the ability even to have an additional child or

00:20:48.440 even to have like their first child. Republicans accuse me of being a socialist. They come out and

00:20:55.200 say, you can't, people have to work. I mean, we didn't get that. Like, no, it's a different world

00:20:58.960 now. You know, the boomers, the boomers had, had it all. Um, people now need, need help. And when I look

00:21:05.540 at the economy and inflation and the housing crunch and all of this and what it does to people and how it

00:21:12.340 does actually make them, turns them into dinks, you know, double income, no kids out of, out of

00:21:17.320 financial necessity. We can't even have this lifestyle. If we have, if we introduce children 0.51

00:21:21.680 into it, we'll be live, we'll be poor. You know, I totally understand that. And it does make me think

00:21:26.280 that there is something purposeful about what they've done to tear down the economy, how they

00:21:30.780 outsource all the jobs in the Midwest and the Rust Belt to China, you know, starting in the seventies

00:21:35.140 and eighties. And the GOP was a hundred percent in on that, um, outsourcing all of our manufacturing

00:21:40.180 outsourcing, you know, car, the car industry, all of it, pharmaceutical. And so you have people who

00:21:46.780 had, let's say mining jobs in West Virginia or whatever, those are gone. Um, thanks to, you know,

00:21:52.420 the climate, the climate fanatics. And so you have people who were able, like you said, um, Ed Bundy

00:21:58.620 could raise a child on a kind of a basic income. And now that's just totally impossible. Even two incomes,

00:22:04.140 you're barely going to make it if you, especially if you live in a city and it does feel like that's

00:22:08.700 purposeful. It feels like that's intentional. It feels like they want to make it literally

00:22:14.340 actually impossible to get married, have buy a little starter house somewhere and have a couple 0.94

00:22:19.380 of kids. That little tiny version of the American dream is almost out of reach for college graduates.

00:22:26.200 Like how, how can you even do that anymore? They're not hiring, you know, white men aren't getting 0.75

00:22:30.720 into college. They're not even getting a college degree. White men can't even get a job. 1.00

00:22:34.140 You know, like there's just the DEI rules kind of, kind of shut them out even of taking part in the 0.78

00:22:40.100 economy or, or things like, or college. Um, so it's purposeful. And yes, I totally understand.

00:22:45.160 And telling someone you have to stay home with your baby. Don't put that baby in daycare.

00:22:49.300 Well, how can you do that when they're like, well, we can't pay the rent. So we have an absolutely

00:22:53.120 structural problem that has to be solved. If we want to solve the birth rate, Elon Musk has talked

00:22:58.960 about this. Tucker Carlson has talked about this. Elizabeth Warren, before she, you know,

00:23:03.180 went native talked about the two income trap. Um, it's, it's an obvious problem. There's an easy

00:23:09.080 solution, which is the short term, give young couples a huge financial incentive. Take, you know,

00:23:15.740 whatever, however you want to do it. I don't know. I'm not an economist, right? I don't,

00:23:18.860 I was not good. I'm nothing with math. Figure that out. Um, make, make, make all that stuff free for

00:23:24.640 them somehow. And then in the longterm, we have to make, um, this country livable again,

00:23:31.420 which it basically isn't anymore. Well, I think a big part of that is also your, you know,

00:23:36.880 just the mass immigration and the obsession with bringing lots of people in that are going to

00:23:41.580 change the country, but, but more importantly, for what we're talking about, uh, change the economy,

00:23:46.860 right? Like you have homes become extremely expensive because of the pressure of people moving in

00:23:53.500 late, uh, the cost of labor plummets, making it difficult for people to make an income. You know,

00:23:59.180 the, the competition for housing creates inflation that, that blows all of this out of proportion

00:24:04.020 daycares, the, all the key, you know, it's my favorite trick that economists do is they're like,

00:24:09.220 Oh, the inflation's fine. If you just cut out housing and gas and food and childcare and medical

00:24:14.220 care, all the things you would need to say, have children and a family and live basically,

00:24:18.680 you know, TVs are cheaper. There's no, they're not a lot of inflation in TV. So that's great.

00:24:23.000 Uh, but, but, but all those other things matter. And so the, the fact that, you know, people are

00:24:27.800 constantly having to compete for limited, uh, you know, jobs and resources against basically the

00:24:33.960 entire world, I think is a huge issue. And I also wanted to talk to you a little bit about what you

00:24:38.720 think about kind of the role that religion and identity play in this, because, you know, identity

00:24:44.680 politics is a very dirty word, right? Especially the right, you know, hates it, of course, but there is a,

00:24:50.080 and, and, and to be clear, obviously like the exploitation, especially when we're talking

00:24:53.780 about these interchangeable identities that the left are creating are, are quite terrible,

00:24:57.280 but there is something about, uh, the, the fact that people have lost a sense of community and

00:25:03.500 identity. That is, I think very, uh, very critical to the way that people have lost the motivation to

00:25:10.060 have children. Because when you were bound up in a community, when you had, I think, uh, the idea of,

00:25:16.080 of, uh, an extended family that helped you to raise a child. It wasn't just, you know, the mom at home,

00:25:22.380 staying at home every day, but it was, you know, you're plugged into grandparents and aunts and

00:25:26.520 uncles. There's a community aspect that you can bring your children to, and you can involve

00:25:31.660 yourselves in things that are, contribute to the community. You're not just isolated in your home

00:25:35.740 alone. I think that made a big difference and people cared more about perpetuating their family

00:25:43.140 when it was part of a long line, a tradition they could identify. Oh, my parents, parents,

00:25:48.460 parents were here and they cared about this place. And, you know, my, you know, my religion will be

00:25:53.960 carried on through them. And these are all things that I think are, give people the idea that they

00:25:59.140 are involved in a continuity of being that matters and is more organic and is, is much more important

00:26:06.820 than, you know, and the economic sacrifices don't seem as big when you value those things more.

00:26:13.060 And I just wonder what you thought about the role that those, those factors, religion and

00:26:18.300 community play in the, I guess, impacting current birth rates. That's just a beautiful way to put

00:26:24.780 it. Yeah. I got really lucky because I found my way to sort of a community that I had never been

00:26:31.080 part of before, which is a community of sort of modern day trad moms. I don't know how else to 0.98

00:26:35.640 describe them. These are Catholic women. I mean, like real, real Catholics, like devout pro-life

00:26:41.300 Catholics, um, who were having children and they were just having kind of, you know, one said to

00:26:45.860 me once, uh, I asked her before I was, I converted, I was like, she was pregnant with like her sixth or

00:26:51.600 seventh child. I was like, well, how many are you going to have? And she was just like, well, as many

00:26:55.340 as God wants me to, you know? And I was like, well, like I had never encountered that kind of spirit,

00:27:00.100 that kind of attitude towards having children. Um, and I started hanging around with them and they're

00:27:05.440 like completely normal, cool, fun, like look normal. You can't tell when you're with them

00:27:10.180 that they're like weird, you know, fanatics or weirdos. They're just normal. They fit in,

00:27:13.340 right? Like they're walking around like regular people, but at home they were having child after

00:27:17.840 child. They have, you know, I have five. So I'm actually something of a lightweight.

00:27:22.760 There's a lot with, there's plenty with like, you know, four and three and stuff, but there's,

00:27:26.180 um, a lot. I have friends who have 10 kids. I have friends who have 12 kids. Um, and they're

00:27:30.320 completely great and beautiful families. Everyone's together, you know, they're just

00:27:35.060 incredible examples. And so, yeah, so that community that I kind of started belonging to

00:27:39.800 when I converted did inspire me and it absolutely did, um, make me think I could have another child.

00:27:45.480 You know, I could, I don't, maybe I'm not going to stop it for I'm, it was okay. If they can do it,

00:27:50.600 it's normal. I can do it. I think, so I think peer pressure also, when you're in a community,

00:27:54.300 um, you're seeing what everyone else is doing and capable of doing and you think, oh, maybe I could,

00:27:59.860 maybe I could do that, you know, and, and survive and raise, um, wonderful, devout children myself.

00:28:05.440 And so that was like super inspiring and people don't have that. And that's where religion I

00:28:09.020 think comes in. Obviously. I don't think I could do this if I hadn't converted, if I had still been

00:28:14.060 what I was, which was basically a completely secular atheist, um, who didn't believe in anything.

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00:28:49.940 That would have not, it really doesn't give you a kind of higher purpose or calling, you know,

00:28:57.100 and a parenthood at the end of the day, whether you're, whether you're atheist or religious is a

00:29:02.120 sacrificial devotion because you want to be a good parent. There's enormous sacrifices. I don't care

00:29:07.900 if you're rich or poor, you are sacrificing so much of your time and your energy and your effort.

00:29:12.480 And yes, your money and all those things for a lifetime, you're locked into it. And so I think

00:29:20.220 thinking about it in those terms as like a sacrifice, as a devotion, it does seem to mitigate a lot of

00:29:25.860 the kind of daily, you know, pains of having kids. And there's a lot of, a lot of pains. There's mess and

00:29:30.420 all the other stuff. Thinking about it as giving back to some kind of thing bigger than you, like you're

00:29:35.600 saying with your ancestors and roots and community. I mean, yes, connecting like my great grandmother who came

00:29:42.080 to this country as like a refugee from the Russian empire in like the, you know, in 1906 or something

00:29:48.360 on a boat alone and connecting her to my children and thinking what she did is paying off, you know,

00:29:55.760 her incredible sacrifice, you know, one day, like if she only knew that she was going to end up having,

00:30:01.100 you know, so many great, great, whatever, great grandchildren, how beautiful that is. And it's

00:30:05.720 something that, that, that immigrants, legal immigrants coming through the border, they have no

00:30:10.680 connection. They have no connection to our land, to our country, to our history, to our, you know,

00:30:15.160 where our ancestors are from. I mean, they have their own in their, in their homes, I'm sure some

00:30:19.560 long history there, but they don't have a connection and they don't have a reason to, to, to put down,

00:30:27.140 put down roots and really fully engage in the kind of American project, which is what all of our

00:30:32.320 immigrant parents did. They were just like threw off whatever, you know, whatever country they came from, 1.00

00:30:38.360 they threw that off and they just kind of dove into like Americanism for lack of a better word.

00:30:42.940 And we have so many new people coming in, like that's not really going to happen. That's not,

00:30:47.900 it's going to be kind of like a, they're physically here, but are they here in their, in their hearts

00:30:52.840 and their minds? I mean, I have no idea. And it, and it does degrade the other communities who have

00:30:58.260 to struggle, like you said, struggle more for resources and where are they going to live? But I

00:31:02.440 think, yes, the key really is for me, if you want to become a domestic extremist like me,

00:31:06.260 try to find a community and a lot of people can find them. I mean, I found so many friends online,

00:31:12.060 as you know, um, I've found people on Twitter or on X that are now my real life friends who are kind

00:31:19.200 of scattered around the world, building, they're trying to build their own little communities and

00:31:24.700 trying to raise families. And we're trying to do this in the teeth of like such hostility and like

00:31:30.280 almost such pure hatred. And, uh, I mean that, that, you know, calling us far right in Politico

00:31:37.400 is just an example of that. And I have libertarians calling me like this wacky,

00:31:42.080 you know, wacky trad mom. And I'm like, there's nothing wacky about this. This is life and death.

00:31:47.000 This is like existential. If we want humanity, if we want this country to see the next century,

00:31:53.180 we're going to have to make more people like me and like you who understand the importance of this

00:32:00.300 project that we're engaged in. I mean, it really is life and death. So one of the things that

00:32:04.420 Politico again, got very angry with you about was talking about, you know, we're, we're done with,

00:32:09.560 uh, trying to, you know, the, the way they framed it was they're done trying to convince people.

00:32:13.960 So they're just going to have kids. We'll just have enough kids and you won't have kids and we'll 1.00

00:32:18.700 just, we'll outbreed you. And then our kids will vote and you'll be done for. And you know,

00:32:23.260 it's funny that they took so much offense at this, of course, which is hilarious because

00:32:27.620 that's their entire plan, right? Like literally they, every day they're like, we're going to

00:32:32.500 replace all the people in America with new people and those people will vote for us. That's what they 0.97

00:32:37.320 announced on a regular. And then they get angry. If you point it out, Tucker Carlson, Hey, uh, you know

00:32:41.640 how they keep saying this live on television? And they're like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. Conspiracy theory. You know,

00:32:46.880 their literal plan is we're going to shift the demographics of this country and change the way

00:32:51.740 people vote. And you're just like, well, no, that's my plan, but I'm just going to do it with

00:32:55.260 my own children instead of importing people. Uh, but, but I will say this. So there's been a big 0.99

00:33:00.780 debate over this issue. A lot of people get very angry when people bring up the just have kids

00:33:06.760 program. Um, and I'll say this, it is necessary, but not sufficient. Right. And that, that's,

00:33:13.000 that's the thing. Uh, but what they will say, this is usually their argument is look, you can have all

00:33:18.840 the kids you want, but the regime owns the media. The regime owns the educational institutions. The

00:33:24.720 regime has all of the consensus making apparatus, and they're just going to take your kids and turn

00:33:30.200 them into cannon fodder, right? They're just going to brainwash them. And yeah, you had kids good for 0.86

00:33:34.680 you, but you're not going to carry your values forward. And to be fair, when you look at the,

00:33:39.840 the immigrants that are supposed to come in and replenish our population, that is actually what 1.00

00:33:45.020 happens. You know, the, the, the joke I always make is, you know, the, you don't have to worry

00:33:48.740 about Sharia law that they will turn the Muslim kids trans before the Muslim kids will turn your 0.97

00:33:54.540 kids halal. And so what, what is the counter to this? How do you avoid this? Yes. You're having the 0.97

00:34:00.740 families, you're bringing the kids up in the way they should go, but eventually they enter into that

00:34:05.380 world and now it's completely controlled by hostile forces. What is the answer to this

00:34:09.660 question? Yeah. I mean, if you're not careful, your children will get sucked out of your family

00:34:16.520 values, whatever you're trying to instill in them, and they'll get sucked right into what the regime

00:34:21.000 wants to implant in their brain. And it's real. And we, I've seen this, you know, I have friends who

00:34:26.420 do their, they're, they're on the right, you know, they're conservative, but there's kind of nothing

00:34:29.820 underpinning that. And their children go to, let's say a fancy private school or just the public school

00:34:35.260 down the street. And they are kind of shocked when the kid comes home and says that, you know, mommy,

00:34:41.780 I'm going to, I'm, I don't know if I'm a girl, you know, they're surprised. And they're, they're

00:34:47.140 crying because climate change is going to make the earth burn up in five years. And we have to throw

00:34:51.740 away our oven or get rid of our washing machine or whatever it is. And so I tell people this all the

00:34:57.820 time, and I write about this all the time, my children though, okay, are marked safe from all

00:35:03.240 that stuff. My children are not going to, you know, pro Palestine rallies and like tearing down

00:35:08.720 buildings and their, and their schools. My children are somehow here in Los Angeles, in California,

00:35:15.160 are pro-life devout Catholics who are, are chased and are hoping to get married early in their twenties

00:35:25.640 and produce grandchildren for me and my husband. So we accomplished this. Okay. Look, nothing's

00:35:32.560 perfect. There's no guarantees. Okay. You cannot, you can't guarantee in life that that's, that is

00:35:36.920 what will happen. But I think I have a very good chance of getting all, or at least most of them

00:35:40.800 through the gauntlet, through the, through the minefield and really comes down to very simple

00:35:46.140 things. You have to avoid putting them in public school. Now I have friends in, let's say in Tennessee,

00:35:51.940 outside Nashville, the public elementaries and the high schools are actually fine.

00:35:55.640 You know, they don't do pride flags. They don't do pronouns. That's okay. Fine. But if you live in

00:36:01.340 a blue city, if you live in a blue state, you have to be very careful. Um, you know, Austin public

00:36:06.360 schools, I don't know, like you're in Texas, but I think Austin's a little bit, you know, a little bit

00:36:10.200 wacky. And then if you also can get them to, you know, the cheat codes for us, really we're, we're

00:36:16.160 becoming, raising them Catholic. Um, we, my husband and I converted, but the children are now really

00:36:20.620 cradle Catholics. And I mean, talk about, you know, very instant brainwashing. Um, the Catholic 1.00

00:36:27.200 church, we find a good parish, a priest who is actually like based for lack of a better word.

00:36:33.560 Um, your children will be immunized. It'll happen kind of without you even doing too much like

00:36:38.800 counter-programming for them. And then you have to also just make sure that they're not, you know,

00:36:43.440 looking at porn on their phones when they're little boys, most boys access pornography on their

00:36:47.880 cell phones, um, majority of boys by like age 11 or 12. And so you have to teach them

00:36:53.420 why to avoid these things. And you, and the why is because it's really bad for you. And here's the

00:36:58.820 reasons why, and it's also a sin and it's all these things as you kind of scare them straight. And then

00:37:03.400 all their friends are on the same program as yours. And so you really kind of, I mean, it's really

00:37:08.820 amazing. It's almost like a miracle. I don't have to worry about my kids, you know, doing fentanyl in

00:37:14.220 high school and like dying when overdose. I don't have to worry about, you know, one of my sons,

00:37:18.340 like getting someone pregnant. Like that's just literally not happening. And people scoff when I

00:37:22.300 say this and they say, come on, they're all doing it. They're all, I'm like, actually, no,

00:37:27.140 actually, no, they're not. They're not all doing it. There are places and schools that you can find

00:37:32.420 and communities where the majority of the children, and I mean the vast majority, if not all,

00:37:36.720 like are adopting our program. Like the political writer, she was horrified that we were talking

00:37:44.680 about having our children that would look like us, you know, having your own biological children

00:37:51.640 that look like us is bad. But I think what she meant was children that would have the same,

00:37:56.480 adopt the same lifestyle, adopt the same kind of Catholic trad lifestyle. That was bad. And it was 0.94

00:38:04.480 really telling that she said that because they want your children. They literally do. They literally

00:38:10.400 do need to separate your children from you, the weird extremist trad, to get your child on their 0.96

00:38:16.860 program. So they are not reproducing. They're not baby maxing. They're married to the state. They're

00:38:24.160 married to Tinder. And, you know, they're self-actualizing through a career or whatever

00:38:29.040 it is. They're exploring their sexuality until they, until they're dead alone. They are terrified

00:38:34.600 at that. And if you can get on, you know, the lifestyle that I've been doing with great success

00:38:39.920 so far, and a lot of people I know, and we're, you know, they're kind of like this hidden, you know,

00:38:45.640 fringe religious cult. Some people think, you know, but we're just Catholics. We're just doing like a 0.89

00:38:50.860 Catholic life that is completely normal or was a few years, as of a few years ago, pre Pope Francis.

00:38:58.060 And if you can pull this off, I mean, if you can teach a child that, like a young child, like what

00:39:04.400 a pregnancy means and what an unborn baby actually is and what, what abortion therefore must be and

00:39:11.540 how mean that is for a mommy to do that to a baby. If you have a child who thinks that, who understands

00:39:16.300 that truth, it's very unlikely that that child will ever grow up one day and go to like a,

00:39:21.620 you know, an abortion rally covered in, you know, fake blood screaming for abortions. And that, 0.62

00:39:25.880 that girl just won't, just won't do that. And so there are these ways you can do it. There is a way

00:39:30.440 to kind of immunize your kids. And so, you know, wish me luck, fingers crossed we've done it.

00:39:37.420 Yeah. I think that you're right. That the, the state, obviously, again, when they need to have that

00:39:42.660 malleability they need, because they are obviously in a situation where they're not having a lot of

00:39:47.460 kids, it's designed not to have kids. They need to be able to break down any barriers, any, any

00:39:51.920 alternatives that you would create. And especially because they don't want your weird, crazy extremist 0.97

00:39:56.320 lifestyle to seem actually pretty healthy and normal and desirous. And so it needs to, it needs to go

00:40:02.360 away. And the key to create that really is those alternative institutions that you're talking about.

00:40:07.220 You know, if you look at Jewish or Catholic immigrants to the United States, they created 0.99

00:40:13.700 their own schools immediately, right? These are famously their schools. Why? Well, because they

00:40:17.960 knew that the public schools in, you know, in America, well, they weren't hostile the way they

00:40:23.560 are now. They were Protestant, right? They were inherently Protestant. And so if they wanted to keep 0.64

00:40:29.260 their culture separate and different, if they wanted to keep them distinct and keep their values from

00:40:33.340 being kind of just absorbed into the American culture, they needed to create alternative

00:40:38.760 institutions. Well, whether we like it or not now, like traditional Christians are in a situation where 0.92

00:40:45.680 they have to protect their culture from the majority culture. And so the way to do that is to create those 1.00

00:40:50.860 same alternative institutions. Don't let your enemies raise your children. And like you said, very

00:40:55.860 importantly, having those communities, especially conservatives, unfortunately, are just so big on the

00:41:01.620 individual freedom, right? And the atomization. And they don't think about what it takes beyond just,

00:41:07.700 well, make sure to raise your kids right. Well, that's good. But then they have to have friends

00:41:11.760 and they have to get married and they have to interact with people. And the larger you can create

00:41:16.100 this sphere of alternative institutions and community, the more can be included inside of it.

00:41:21.660 So if it's just you and a couple of friends, well, maybe you can do some homeschooling and you can do

00:41:25.340 some alternative things, but there's only so much you can do. But if you can build that wider and wider

00:41:30.040 and wider, you can start including businesses, you can start including libraries, you can start

00:41:34.300 including all kinds of things that are funded and created by your community. Well, now more and more

00:41:40.240 things can be done inside that that system where you don't have to go outside of it and create a

00:41:46.700 situation where the kids can lose their values. And of course, eventually they will have to go out

00:41:50.440 into the world, but they will have a much stronger background. Like you said, they will have the all of

00:41:55.580 their background will be linked to that faith and that community. And they will be have a much higher

00:42:00.900 percentage chance of kind of going in entering into the normal world, but still retaining the

00:42:06.360 values that made them who they are. So the last thing I wanted to talk to you about before we go to

00:42:11.440 some of the questions from the audience is you just released a piece yesterday and I saw your tweet

00:42:17.200 first and then I kind of saw the sub stack that you had written about it later. But obviously the

00:42:22.740 the campus protests are happening right now. And they're kind of the biggest story in the news. We

00:42:29.260 have the pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli kind of clash. It's in many ways an inter-leftist civil war

00:42:37.540 going on where establishment left kind of nominally supports Israel because they have to, their donor

00:42:43.880 base and stuff. But they kind of wish they could be with the radical leftist vanguard and they're the

00:42:50.180 ones that are actually pushing these things. And you put out a tweet saying, you know, look,

00:42:55.620 where were you guys? Like, you're like, I'm glad, you know, yes, that you should be protecting Jewish

00:42:59.860 students from, from violence. But where were you people when they were threatening white kids? Where

00:43:05.660 were you when they were anti-white and they were having these seminars on destroying whiteness and

00:43:10.440 teaching classes and writing books? Where was this now? Because there's, you know, there's this backlash

00:43:15.100 against what's happening. And as you pointed out in your piece, well-deserved because, you know,

00:43:20.040 you pointed out you are a Catholic convert, but you are, you know, genetically Jewish. You have

00:43:25.400 Jewish parents and such. So you're Jewish, yeah. Right. And so this is a situation where it's like,

00:43:30.400 okay, you know, obviously you care about people being protected from, from violence and you want

00:43:36.840 people to be able to, you know, have their identity and not have that. But also recognizing that

00:43:41.960 this is something that the, basically the right and the, and just wider society abandoned for a

00:43:47.720 very long time and suddenly has found the courage to stand up against. It seems only because a very

00:43:52.160 particular group suddenly has like this right to exist when they were attacking a whole other

00:43:57.660 subset for a decade or more, and no one seemed to be able to gather action to it.

00:44:03.140 Yeah. I think the article you're referring to, I wrote for my substat called meet the Zoomerwaffen.

00:44:07.440 Yeah. I'm calling the, the Gen Z protesters, the Zoomerwaffen, the, the, the, the Jew hating 0.63

00:44:13.260 college kids on our elite campuses. And I wrote that for my substat, peachy keenan.substack.com,

00:44:19.540 in which I revealed that, yes, I am part Jewish. My mother is a hundred percent Ashkenazi Jewish. I was

00:44:25.540 raised secular atheist. I converted to Catholicism. So my kids like, no, you know, they're kind of like a 0.95

00:44:30.660 mix of Anglo, Irish, Scottish, and Eastern European Jew, Jewishness, whatever, but they don't identify

00:44:37.920 like racially as anything, but just white kids. Right. So my sons are now facing a world that is

00:44:45.940 kind of arrayed against them as like straight white, you know, heteronormative males. And we,

00:44:53.480 they, they understand, cause I have told them you're at a huge disadvantage.

00:44:57.220 Um, we just actually saw this when my son who was a senior in high school, he applied to college,

00:45:02.960 right? We just finished our entire college process. And I knew going in and we, you know,

00:45:08.520 we were faced with the like, you know, ethnic check boxes for all the colleges and people on Twitter

00:45:14.280 were like, make sure he checks black and Hispanic and check everything, you know? And he, I was like,

00:45:20.160 I said, do you want, what should we do? I mean, if you just say white, you know, you probably don't

00:45:23.800 won't get in. And he was like, mom, I can't lie. You know, he refused to even like consider any of

00:45:28.420 that. So we checked like Italian and like a few other options that made him like a little more med,

00:45:32.940 like something, cause we are part Italian. And lo and behold, he got completely shut out of all

00:45:38.100 the university of California schools, um, UCLA, Berkeley, UC San Diego, and USC. And his scores

00:45:46.420 and grades and everything were top notch. Um, and of course these schools let in a very narrow 0.98

00:45:52.380 percentage of, you know, straight white males into their undergraduate freshman class. But it was just

00:45:57.500 really interesting to see that actually happen in real time that, oh, in fact, there is, could there

00:46:02.500 be a bias, um, racially against, um, people like him? So they identify as white. So I wrote the article

00:46:07.720 in defense of, of, um, you know, like white people who are saying, yes, we don't want antisemitism is

00:46:16.580 bad. You know, we do not want any hate speech against Jews or Jewish students to feel uncomfortable

00:46:22.540 on campus or, you know, not allowed to walk into a certain dorm room or to be called, you know,

00:46:28.280 genociders and colonizers, like, and to, for them to be cheering the deaths of Jews in Israel who are 0.98

00:46:34.380 raped and mutilated and massacred. We, of course we condemn all of that, but, um, hello, that's been 0.95

00:46:42.080 going on generally for, for white people, especially straight white males on college campuses for

00:46:47.900 decades. And my children are about to start college and experience this for themselves, potentially.

00:46:53.560 If they choose, if they make the mistake of going to one of these elite universities, which I hope they

00:46:57.440 don't. And so that was my defense that that's all fine and good. You want to do special protections

00:47:02.280 for Jewish kids. That's fine, but that's not fair. That's not fair because then it still leaves the 0.59

00:47:08.020 kind of like, you know, the, the non Jewish guys, the, the Gentiles still the number one approved 0.98

00:47:14.440 villain in the elite universities and in, in, in Hollywood and in basically in media, you're, you're

00:47:21.180 still allowed to hate on the regular white guy, right? He's just, he's a bad guy and that will never

00:47:28.380 change. And we can protect all these kids. All these groups have their special carve out Jewish 0.92

00:47:33.100 kids after October 7th were suddenly felt like they were lost their carve out. They lost their kind

00:47:38.740 of protected minority status and they're kind of trying to reclaim it. And John Potteritz, um,

00:47:45.380 you know, the commentary editor, um, he's my nemesis, I guess. I really didn't really know much

00:47:50.200 about him. He hates me. He put out a tweet and said, dude, wait, hold on. You can't do this. Jews are not 0.94

00:47:54.780 white. Jews are not white. They deserve minority protection under the DEI regime. And, but the 0.88

00:48:03.040 leftists are like, no, Jews are white. They're white enough for us. Israelis are white enough for 0.99

00:48:07.640 us. They're, they're colonizers and, um, you know, genociders of the, you know, the browner people. 1.00

00:48:13.780 And it's like this weird, uh, thing that happened with Jews, liberal Jews trying to kind of reclaim 0.76

00:48:18.840 their status as oppressed minorities and the left rejecting that and saying, nope, colonizers. 0.99

00:48:25.400 Not only are you the bad white guys, you're like the worst white people of all. And I think that's 1.00

00:48:30.360 what we're seeing playing out. It's really kind of an extraordinary. So my, yeah, my article was just

00:48:34.720 my, me, you know, pointing out like you can't have special protections for this group and not this

00:48:40.400 group. No one should ever be subjected to hate speech and getting barred from, um, speaking out or

00:48:47.800 whatever it is, or the same rights that, you know, and we need to return to a meritocracy

00:48:52.620 in the justice system, in college admissions, all of it, you know, race blindness worked for a long

00:48:57.260 time. And so that was my attempt to, um, kind of bring some sanity to the issue.

00:49:03.240 Yeah. I would mostly agree though. I would say that, that hate speech is a word that is,

00:49:08.280 I would use their language. Yeah. Well, and, and importantly, because it's, you know,

00:49:13.660 the way that that triggers a lot of, uh, even lawfare at this point, you know, I want people

00:49:21.220 to be able to criticize Israel. I want people to be able to criticize, you know, whoever they want. 0.89

00:49:25.480 I don't, but I want people to be safe, right? I want their, I don't want anyone to face any kind

00:49:31.080 of, uh, you know, physical violence because of their race. And, and while I don't think personally 0.61

00:49:35.960 people should have racial animus, that's not illegal. That's, that's not, and nor should it be.

00:49:41.140 I don't think that, you know, anti-white or anti-Jewish rhetoric have, uh, of, you know,

00:49:46.380 should be funded by the state. I don't think there's, there's any need for that to be taught

00:49:49.800 at any of these places, but obviously protesters have the right to go ahead and, and kind of make

00:49:55.020 those statements as they like, as long as they're doing so peacefully. The problem is when obviously

00:49:59.220 many cases it's not peaceful and that's a huge issue. One, one thing you did also mention that I

00:50:04.920 wanted to pick your brain a little bit on is you said that you think that this could shift

00:50:09.120 some of, uh, kind of the, the liberal Jewish constituency, like he said in the piece,

00:50:14.400 it is a massive, you know, it, it's not as monolithic as kind of the black vote for the

00:50:19.720 democratic party, but it's even more monolithic than the Hispanic or, you know, it actually

00:50:24.520 is more, more, uh, organized in the direction of the democratic party as a vote. And I wonder

00:50:30.440 if you think that will actually shift, you know, we're often, we're often told that these,

00:50:34.780 the big shift is coming, right? Like black America is going to start voting for Trump and it's, you 0.96

00:50:38.780 know, it's only a matter of time. And you would think like, logically it makes sense. Like what

00:50:43.340 you're saying is, you know, makes sense. But then I look at kind of the Horowitz at, you know, 0.69

00:50:47.380 approach. It's like, I don't know. Cause they feel like that unprincipled exception to the leftist

00:50:52.460 rhetoric around colonization and everything allowed, like you said, leftist Jewish Jews to kind of 0.89

00:50:58.200 exist in the safety pocket. They, they didn't sink to the bottom of the, of the oppression hierarchy,

00:51:03.860 like you would expect from, from, uh, kind of the way that, uh, that, that narrative is laid out,

00:51:09.760 but that is crumbling. So the logic around that pocket of protection is falling apart,

00:51:15.140 but still it feels like many of these guys like Pat Horowitz feel like, like the protection is still

00:51:20.580 for them on the left. Like that is still the safe place to be, you know, Bill Ackman and such

00:51:25.340 kind of made noises about how they're going to fight the left. And then they immediately,

00:51:28.420 he immediately turns around, dumps millions of dollars into democratic candidates. And I just wonder if

00:51:32.900 there really is a significant sea change that could happen, uh, with, with kind of this shift,

00:51:38.640 obviously in the rhetoric that is now including Jews in that, you know, colonizer white, uh,

00:51:44.420 storyline. Yeah. It's really fascinating. And there's, but there's also a Jewish case on the,

00:51:48.820 in the pro-Palestinian camps at these schools. So it's, it's really interesting. I mean, I can just,

00:51:53.800 you know, I don't know the numbers on this, but I can just speak from just, um, experience. I,

00:51:57.540 you know, I grew up in West LA. So I still have friends and friends of friends who are,

00:52:01.620 you know, they're private school, Jewish kids who are now adults who have families. And I will say

00:52:07.860 that the trans stuff kind of primed the ground for them to kind of go like, Whoa, this is, 0.89

00:52:12.900 I don't actually want like my child becoming transgender. Like I'll draw the line, like at the 1.00

00:52:17.540 private school pushing this, that's, that's kind of, that's kind of too far for me. So that I think

00:52:22.100 has primed them a little bit for the first time to question their loyalties, the democratic party.

00:52:26.980 And these are people who were all in for Obama, Hollywood people who were, you know, giving all

00:52:31.060 the fundraisers and Malibu for Kamala and Biden, you know, in 20, in 2020, and they were all in

00:52:37.140 Trump orange man bad. Right. And now after October 7th, I was hearing a lot of them say,

00:52:44.340 uh, you know, we think we need to vote for Trump. He protected Israel. He is the only one who like 0.85

00:52:50.500 spoke out for Israel. So, and then, and there's even some who say like Israel is their only issue,

00:52:56.100 which is, you know, a common statement among liberal blue state Jews, Israel is their number

00:53:02.980 one, um, issue. Okay. Not mine. Mine is immigration and crime and the economy. Okay. But for a lot of 0.50

00:53:09.380 them, it is the number one issue. And so when they see that what's going on and they see, you know,

00:53:14.580 AOC and Ilhan Omar making nice to people who they think perceive as hate, hate them and hate Jews 0.93

00:53:20.740 are true anti-Semites. I think it does, it does shift them. And some of them have come out and

00:53:25.060 said, they're not going to vote for Biden. I don't have to vote for Trump, but they're not

00:53:27.300 going to vote for Biden. Is it enough? I mean, here in California, it doesn't matter. Um, we have,

00:53:31.540 we're so outnumbered that it really won't make a difference. Could it make a difference in some of

00:53:36.020 the other kind of purple States? I don't know, Virginia, um, and the Midwest. I mean,

00:53:41.380 New York is very interesting to me. New York came close to, um, came close to, to Zeldin and

00:53:48.820 has kind of sort of seemed to be going purple in some of the areas there, the Orthodox Jewish 1.00

00:53:54.180 community, obviously there is pretty big in Brooklyn. Um, it's a very interesting state to

00:53:58.420 watch. Can Trump win New York because of disaffected liberal Jews? Like, I don't think so in the end, 0.97

00:54:04.820 but we'll see where we'll see what happens. It's, it's very interesting.

00:54:07.540 All right, guys. Well, we're going to go ahead and switch over to the questions of the people,

00:54:12.020 but before we do, PG, can you remind people where to find your book and all of your other work?

00:54:15.620 Sure. You can follow me on X at Kenan Peachy and also subscribe to my sub stack,

00:54:21.140 peachykenan.substack.com. My book, Domestic Extremist is on sale at Amazon.

00:54:26.580 Excellent guys. Make sure that you check out her work. The American mind piece was particularly good 0.92

00:54:32.260 here recently. All right. So we've got Cripper Weirdo here. He says, isn't the,

00:54:37.060 uh, isn't this an upside down world where anti-natalists are all over the internet?

00:54:41.380 Hang on guys. This, uh, hang on guys. This idea is interesting. Pro-natalists are the terrorists.

00:54:47.460 Yeah, there is obviously this very strange moment where just a traditional life is that does seem

00:54:54.020 threatening to the people in charge, but unfortunately that, that is kind of where we're at.

00:54:59.300 Cripper Weirdo also says, but Ms. Kenan, don't you want to buy purses? Yeah. There really is that. 0.51

00:55:05.540 I do. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I do. Yeah. I would love, uh, to be able to, you know,

00:55:13.220 go to Neiman Marcus and drop, you know, whatever 5k on like a Celine purse. Like, sure. Maybe one day

00:55:19.700 I'll be able to do that. But like I said, it's a sacrificial devotion and, you know, I, I feel like

00:55:25.860 you can have to choose what you're rich in. And I feel like I'm rich in children and potential

00:55:29.620 grandchildren. So no first, no fancy purses yet. I mean, like you said, it is, it is a, it is a real,

00:55:35.860 it is a sacrificial act and people should go, should go into it with that, you know, eyes open,

00:55:40.420 you know, like, I think there, I think that is something that doesn't do anyone any favors by

00:55:44.820 lying to them about that fact. So, uh, but, but worth it as you would say. So, uh, Florida Henry says,

00:55:50.420 greetings from Dakota badlands. Again, this goes back to Reaganomics. I make 150 K a year with a

00:55:56.580 house. And the only way I see having a family is moving overseas. Uh, yeah. I mean, obviously

00:56:03.220 there's a long, there's a, we can have a lot of debates over when and how, uh, the economic system

00:56:09.020 that we have now is kind of developed. I, I, I have a theory that I did. We didn't dive into, but I,

00:56:15.180 I, I think that, you know, there's a, a thinker Oswald Spangler who said that really once people

00:56:20.580 start having to decide whether or not to have children, when having children is not part of

00:56:25.480 just the natural rhythm of life that occurs in your society, that's where it naturally starts

00:56:31.220 to decline. That's when you will, you will see this. And even if you take steps to increase the

00:56:38.180 number of children, people just because they have to make that choice as opposed to just running into

00:56:43.280 this as just part of the bill, but it will necessarily kind of reduce your number. And

00:56:46.880 in some ways you start to think that modernity itself is kind of the great filter that, that,

00:56:52.120 that, as you said, when, you know, all these other groups make contact, uh, you know, even outside the

00:56:57.440 United States, outside of the West with many of the modern technologies and ways of life, it does seem

00:57:02.600 to impact their fertility rates, no matter what people do to some extent. Yeah. That's so interesting.

00:57:08.140 I definitely agree with you. I think that when you're on the pill, having to go off the pill

00:57:12.360 is a very hard decision. It's a very, you have to make this affirmative decision to go off the pill

00:57:17.320 or have an IUD removed. You can't just have a, whoops, I'm pregnant moment. And that affirmative 0.99

00:57:22.680 decision to do that is scary. Cause then you're like, well, do I have enough money? Are we ready?

00:57:27.520 And the real answer is no, you don't have enough money and you're never going to be ready. But that

00:57:31.660 surprise baby is the motivation sometimes that you need to get ready. At least it was in my case.

00:57:36.920 Yeah. There's the Mary Harrington talked about this in her book about the pill shifting the,

00:57:42.520 the, the default idea of women being fertile to an off switch, right? Like you, instead of that 1.00

00:57:48.160 being the default now it's no, you have to turn it on to be fertile. And that was a, a big shift in the

00:57:52.920 mindset and the way that families form a creeper weirdo who again says, Sam Hyde said something

00:57:58.000 interesting about this. How do I make my child based to give him, uh, give them earnest love

00:58:03.040 and affection. And that's a crazy, uh, internet funny, man. It's such strange times we live in

00:58:08.020 guys. Uh, well, I'll say this. I mean, obviously your parents' attention is going to be a massive

00:58:13.820 impact on the child. The adult attention really is just kind of a magic thing for many children

00:58:19.820 in the development and, you know, being intentional and putting that time in matters of course,

00:58:24.640 but it does matter what you're putting the time in towards. Right. And that's where I think

00:58:28.680 that community, that wider religiosity, that idea that you're connected to a tradition and a community

00:58:34.160 matters because, you know, you could, you could have a parent that does spend a lot of time,

00:58:39.300 their child attention, and that's still going to bring the child, I think a better life,

00:58:42.760 but it won't necessarily make them based as many people would say. It does matter what you're

00:58:47.500 putting in at the end of the day. Right. And I think that having a, being in close proximity,

00:58:52.540 physical proximity to your newborn for as long as possible has been proven to mitigate, um,

00:58:57.600 a lot of bad side effects that children who are separated early, um, do experience behavioral

00:59:02.340 problems and other things. It's just kind of like a severing of the maternal bond. So the stronger

00:59:06.080 you can keep it and form it at first with that young baby that kind of powers you through, um,

00:59:11.400 the teenage years, which are a little bit, it's a little bit harder. They're getting,

00:59:15.240 they get a little harder to love. Let me put it that way. Uh, perspicacious heretic says there's a lot

00:59:21.140 of argument over women in this space. What should the typical woman sympathetic to this worldview be doing? 1.00

00:59:27.600 To advance this cause. Yeah, that's a good question. There was, uh, quite a bit of, uh,

00:59:32.080 dialogue about the woman question as it's often called on Twitter. What do you, what do you think

00:59:37.420 is the best role or what do you see? Obviously you're someone who's, you know, speaking in kind

00:59:42.960 of many of these spheres. How would you answer that question? Yeah. Women are, uh, would rather be 1.00

00:59:48.040 lost, be, be lost in the woods with a bear, um, than a man. Okay. Like not me, although maybe it depends

00:59:55.000 on the man, I don't know. Um, don't want to be locked in the woods with John Potter. That's all

00:59:58.640 I know. Um, yeah, there's an issue there's women and men kind of at each other's throats, even on 1.00

01:00:04.920 the right. Um, women are becoming more liberal. Young men are becoming more conservative. How do

01:00:09.420 we get them together? How do we get them to procreate? Like it's this impossible, it's impossible

01:00:13.460 dynamic, but I will say that like, if you make it a priority, like you really do want to get married.

01:00:18.340 You really do want to like find love and, and have a baby before you're, you know, in your forties,

01:00:22.400 let's say, um, if you make it the priority, I think you can do it. And I think that part of that is

01:00:27.400 for young men, like becoming marriageable, um, stop, don't look at porn, don't smoke weed,

01:00:32.240 like become a responsible, you know, looks maxing guy, like do, do what you can, you know, to increase

01:00:37.720 your odds. And for women, I mean, the same thing, like don't, you know, don't get off the, uh, 0.88

01:00:43.200 you know, antidepressants, um, try to pull yourself together, make yourself also more

01:00:47.000 marriageable and more attractive. And that is like, you know, you're not allowed to say these

01:00:51.480 things. Like you, if I say this in other company, I will get, you know, things thrown at me, um,

01:00:56.940 when I suggest these things to women, but also I think the pill back to the pill, the pill actually

01:01:02.000 decreases your libido. And it's been proven to actually make women more asexual and not even

01:01:07.540 attracted to masculine men. And some women, I read a study that some, they say that the pill can 1.00

01:01:13.100 actually make women, straight women, lesbians, because it just fuck makes you messes with your 1.00

01:01:18.420 hormones in so many, in so many ways. So I would say that, um, you know, men find a girl who's not 1.00

01:01:23.520 on the pill and women, uh, find it just a nice, just a nice guy. This all goes back to Alex Jones

01:01:30.460 being right about the chemicals, making the frogs go in the water. It doesn't exactly. Yeah. Uh,

01:01:35.240 Paladin YYZ says born, uh, born of Norwegian Lutherans. I adopted, I was adopted by a Catholic

01:01:43.160 couple. My Catholicism guarded me from succumbing to Prague metal and pagan crap. I naturally love 1.00

01:01:48.840 Sabbath priest Led Zeppelin, you know, good Catholic metal. Look, there is a lot of good Christian

01:01:54.080 metal out there, guys. You don't, you know, you don't have to listen to, uh, you know, black metal

01:01:58.280 or satanic metal. There's lots of very good Christian metal. You can listen to war of ages. You can

01:02:02.900 listen to Striper. You can listen to, uh, all kinds of other, uh, you know, kind of death core

01:02:08.220 bands that are, that are in the Christian metal, uh, sphere. You can listen to all kinds of good

01:02:12.980 stuff out there. You, you, you know, you don't have to fall into, and by the way, Rob Halford,

01:02:16.900 I believe has converted to, uh, Christianity from Judas Priest. So a lot of guys like Alice Cooper and

01:02:22.600 these guys, like they, they realize like, you're not going to make it, man. You can't, you can't survive

01:02:26.620 the rockstar lifestyle. Ironically as an atheist, it just, it just doesn't work long-term. So, uh,

01:02:32.300 I didn't know you were into metal. Uh, I have that, the, uh, you know, the albums behind me

01:02:36.480 for a reason here. Yeah. All right. So, uh, let's see here. We've got, uh, Mark Haas, uh, 588 says,

01:02:43.820 how do we trust former liberal progressives if they can't forego the belief and presumptions

01:02:48.420 that brought them here? If they just enshrined the Buckley effect of skewing, derailing the right

01:02:52.860 wing leftward? Yeah. I've obviously written a lot about this. Uh, this is something that I, you know,

01:02:57.400 I've talked about in my pieces, like the Neacon cycle. This is a real danger that the right 0.99

01:03:02.020 needs to guard itself against. There's a constant revolving door of, I didn't leave the left, the

01:03:07.300 left, left me guys coming in and then immediately demanding that the right wing become more accommodating

01:03:13.200 to all their left wing positions, except like trans kids or something. They pick like one thing

01:03:17.520 and then otherwise they're still leftists. And you know, they, they, they want the right to kind

01:03:21.240 of conform to this. The key thing guys, I think is always about people who really see that there was

01:03:27.680 something wrong with their prior belief system. You know, the, the people who say I, you know,

01:03:31.980 I didn't just, the left didn't just get too crazy for me, but I actually saw a real problem in the

01:03:37.360 priors that I held a fundamental issue in the worldview and the, in the values that I had.

01:03:42.600 Often this does come with a religious conversion. Many, many, an atheist has become a Christian and

01:03:47.040 realize that that also shifts their politics. And so I think when you see someone who is repentant

01:03:52.280 in a religious sense, but, but even in a political sense of says, Hey, I, you know, I held these

01:03:58.220 positions, but I understand that it wasn't just that my, the people on my side went too far,

01:04:03.140 but that there was a real problem with kind of the, the axioms on which my worldview is based.

01:04:08.960 That's when I think it's then you can see somebody who really is coming along and changing their thing.

01:04:14.720 And, and, but otherwise you do need to be careful, find for people to come into the tent. If you're,

01:04:19.220 you see that the left's going crazy, just don't put them in leadership immediately.

01:04:22.280 You know, make them, make them sit around and learn a little bit before they immediately

01:04:25.460 jump into positions. Right. Uh, let's see here. And then we have, uh, let's see. Uh, Robert

01:04:36.280 Whitesville said right-winged American Jewish trad fam guy here agree with so much of this

01:04:42.040 great conversation. Thank you very much, Robert. Appreciate that. All right. Well guys, as I said,

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - May 01, 2024

The Far Right's Evil Plan to Have Babies ｜ Guest： Peachy Keenan ｜ 5⧸1⧸24

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