In this episode, I chat with the author of Domestic Extremism, Keisha Keenan, about why the far-left is so obsessed with having children, and why they don t want you to have more than one or two.
00:00:59.980They're very, very worried about people having families, having kids, reproducing, being happy, healthy, you know, just family units inside society.
00:01:09.820And so, I wanted to talk a little bit about why the left is so terrified of this.
00:01:15.000Why do progressives find healthy families, intact families, to be such terrible things?
00:01:21.220And joining me to do that today is the author of Domestic Extremism.
00:01:25.440She's a contributing editor over at The American Mind.
00:01:45.780And the obsession with having children.
00:01:49.620Could you tell me a little bit about why you and the many people who attended this pro-natalist conference suddenly became targets for the left?
00:02:01.660That article calling people like me who just want to have children and, you know, stop population decline are now far right extremists.
00:02:11.560It just completely validates the title of my book, which was all about this, which is called Domestic Extremist, A Practical Guide to Winning the Culture War.
00:02:20.420And in that book, I make this exact case that really the only way out of our predicament, our cultural predicament, political, all of it is for people to kind of remember kind of the traditional ways of being.
00:02:33.380Traditional marriage, having more than one or two kids and kind of reclaim that.
00:02:37.680And we don't really even have to reclaim it.
00:02:39.320We're still living the life that, let's say, our parents did when it was normal to have, you know, stay married and have more than two kids.
00:02:45.980And the left has has kind of like jettisoned those ideas for progressivism.
00:02:51.660And now they're shocked to see that some people haven't gone along with their plan.
00:02:55.280We're still trying to do, you know, the plan that kind of we were taught as children.
00:02:59.840And so it's hilarious that that makes us extremists.
00:03:02.880And I like to say I'm not a real domestic extremist.
00:03:30.720That's the one that that has no real danger to the regime.
00:03:33.960It's the people who might actually build stable social structures, who might bring traditional values and a way of life that is far more attractive and, you know, really wholesome to the average person.
00:03:47.780Those are the people that I think probably undermine a lot of what the current ideology stands for.
00:03:53.140Because if people can look at a, well, I'd say alternative, but really it's the traditional way of life and see that it's something that it just offers more, is more fulfilling, is far more stable.
00:04:04.040People, then they, you know, they look at the things around them, the gross, you know, kind of garbage world that's being pushed out to them.
00:04:09.760And they say, this isn't something that I want to be involved in.
00:04:13.840And that's the irony is that, in fact, like you said, we are a danger to the regime and to the powers that be in a way that is, I think, terrifying to them.
00:04:23.260And I think, and I go into this in my book, and I think the reason is, you know, as we know, study after study shows that, for example, women who are married tend to vote more conservative than women who are not married.
00:04:35.200Families, parents, people who have children tend to be more conservative and care more about the schools and what their kids are learning than people who have no children, people who have no, like I like to say, no kid in the game.
00:04:51.620They don't have anything to care about in the present either.
00:04:55.060And when you have a family, now you have something to protect and to conserve.
00:04:58.720And you can look around and see all these bad ideas out there, like you said, the garbage that we're living in now.
00:05:03.580You can take steps to protect yourself and your family from those things at the public school and just everywhere.
00:05:11.220And that is dangerous because that produces a generation of children who are not getting the message that they want these children to get.
00:05:19.300They're not becoming brainwashed to think they can change their gender and becoming these kind of this sort of like mindless army for the regime.
00:05:28.180We're seeing this play out on college campuses all week of children who have been raised to kind of absorb all of these messages from feminism to activism, you know, radical far left political ideology.
00:05:41.320And what that turns them into is just these kind of mindless robots, you know, tearing down institutions and really society.
00:05:51.040And so by becoming, by staying traditional, by having a family, you're really protecting yourself.
00:05:55.920And it's really, you know, I think of my children as becoming basically immunized.
00:06:00.020You know, I've kind of given them a vaccine to the bad, the worst part of our culture.
00:06:07.020Absolutely. I want to go a little more into how the family has now been politicized and why it's so critical to break down that structure, because I think you're exactly right that it does provide a barrier that really worries kind of the powers that be,
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00:07:47.980So like you were saying, it seems like the regime is particularly worried about intact healthy family structures because a lot of what is important to the message right now is the breaking down of all bonds and all identity, right?
00:08:04.500You have to make sure that every kid is programmable by the media and consumerist culture from the bottom up.
00:08:11.620Anytime they need to switch things up, new message, new plan, they need to be able to just kind of blow into educational systems and everything, deliver that.
00:08:21.080They don't want anything that hinders that.
00:08:22.780They certainly don't want religion or any barriers that would naturally kind of stand between that.
00:08:27.740And so in that respect, you understand how family got political, but it does seem very strange that the government that is supposed to expect to have a future, right, which is relying on to some degree population growth.
00:08:43.880You know, we constantly have to hear about why we need immigration and these things.
00:08:48.480You have to keep the entitlements flowing, this kind of thing.
00:08:50.360How did a regime that is kind of built on this idea of infinite growth also develop this ideology that basically dooms its population to not reproduce?
00:09:05.280I think that they see that, you know, the middle class, the kind of traditional, you know, heritage American middle class is the main threat.
00:09:12.840And this is sort of like the Trump voter, the Trump voter center right, the people who are still religious, still kind of clinging to their guns and their religion, people who don't just normies who don't want to see their children get kind of sucked into the gender maelstrom and cut their body parts off.
00:09:31.860You know, we still want to, you know, salute the American flag and not like the progress pride flag.
00:09:38.260So, you know, basically, normie America is the is the threat.
00:09:43.960And so I think that they've just decided to go all in on shrinking that class as much as possible because of the electoral threat that it poses.
00:09:54.340And if they can just shrink it a little more and then bring in as many immigrants as possible while they still can, then they're kind of locked in forever.
00:10:02.300So it's a very short term, short sighted, obviously, strategy, if you're thinking about what the heck they're up to.
00:10:09.580But I think that's it. And I mean, you know, people say, well, there's what they want is just like a giant surf class with a few elites at the top.
00:10:16.100And it feels like we're definitely going to be heading that way.
00:10:19.360That's what if you look at inflation and prices and just quality of life issues and the inability of young people to even dream about owning a home.
00:10:28.380And we are heading to a two class society with no middle class, with just elites and serfs.
00:10:33.840And and that's fine with them. And it does seem short sighted because, yes, where is the growth?
00:10:38.840Where is that going to come from? And I don't know. It's obviously to me, it's suicide for a nation to be heading to that direction.
00:10:46.420Growing the middle class is what made America great in the 20th century.
00:10:50.620That is what distinguished us from, you know, the rest of the world.
00:10:53.960And we can't and that starts with a family that starts with a mother and a father raising their children and like having their own family culture and going to church or whatever religious services every week and teaching their children to kind of be like them.
00:11:09.620And that's what makes you a good American. And that is, you know, not allowed anymore.
00:11:15.820It's basically illegal. Almost. It feels like here in Los Angeles, where they're banning, literally banning in my area, you know, the traditional Latin mass.
00:11:25.240You know, as we know, the FBI has already been, you know, putting the traditional Latin mass goers on like the FBI watch list, which is so funny because of they're being thought of as domestic extremists,
00:11:38.040just like parents who speak out at a at a school board meeting being called, you know, domestic terrorists or whatever by Merrick Garland.
00:11:43.760And so that's the place we're in. And so my only response to that and the reason I wrote the book is to really give people inspire people who feel like they're alone in a foxhole, that you're not alone.
00:11:55.400There are a lot of us out there and we're not going to go quietly.
00:11:58.300I think it's really important that the event, the NatCon, the pro natalist event was the center of this article, this hit piece, because Kevin Dolan, who's been at Phylactery on Twitter,
00:12:14.760somebody I've had on the show multiple times, he put this on.
00:12:18.440And I know they're asking a lot of questions around this, and I know you've addressed this as well.
00:12:22.940There seems to be a mixture of issues at play. Obviously, our government, our society, the way we have things structured right now is very anti-family.
00:12:33.300It is set up to hurt people who are trying to start families, to discourage people from involving themselves in the raising of their children,
00:12:41.180to make sure to separate the children from the authority of those parents as soon as they have them.
00:12:45.620Just everything about our social system right now seems to be set up against this.
00:12:51.080However, we've also seen governments around the world implement pro-family policies,
00:12:58.340and those don't always necessarily actually increase significantly the birth rate.
00:13:04.320And so I wonder if you could speak first to why you think the birth rate is falling.
00:13:09.860Is it just these policies? What policies are impacting young people that they can't have children?
00:13:15.140And if it's not just those policies, what other cultural, social, spiritual factors do you think are driving down the desire of people to have children or the ability to have children?
00:13:26.440Yeah, the natal conference that you're talking about, that was back in December in Austin, and I spoke at it along with a lot of people.
00:13:33.180There was a couple of, you know, trads like me, and then there were sort of geneticists and people who were kind of delving into the science of population decline.
00:13:40.560It was really interesting. It wasn't extremist, like at all. It was really funny to read the article.
00:13:48.060So, I mean, I think that having children has just become just this sort of thing that for a young woman,
00:13:55.060and I think this is really where it starts with feminism, which is what also my book tackles,
00:13:59.560is just this is feminism reaping what they've sown and teaching young women, young girls.
00:14:05.140I mean, I was taught this from age, you know, 10, 11, that the highest, you know, the best thing you can do with your life
00:14:13.080and what you actually need to do to really find yourself and to kind of self-actualize as a person
00:14:17.980is to avoid at all costs, you can do whatever you need to do, avoid pregnancy, avoid marriage,
00:14:23.720until you have your career established, because that is how you express your true value
00:14:28.960as a human being and as a person, okay? And so women are, young girls are put on the birth control pill
00:14:36.420quite young. I remember, you know, they were, they would give it out at my sex ed class in like middle
00:14:41.380school and in college, it was basically free. And, and, and, you know, the Planned Parenthood messaging,
00:14:47.920which is all about, you know, exploring sexuality and don't, don't settle down, have as many partners
00:14:52.780as you want. And just kind of all the guardrails that we're used to for young people removed,
00:14:58.660right? The sex in the city lifestyle, you know, I'm Gen X, that's what we grew up kind of aspiring to.
00:15:03.340And, but when you look at it, it's like actually quite dark, that lifestyle, just a long, you know,
00:15:08.520and I think now with Tinder, you know, women are on that app. They got, I wrote about this,
00:15:12.920they people, there's women who got on Tinder the day, the day it launched in the app store and 10 years
00:15:17.380later, we're still on Tinder. And I mean, if that's not like a cautionary tale, I don't know what is.
00:15:21.720Um, so I think that, you know, girl boss, girl power that has just taught young women that anything
00:15:28.640that takes you outside that track, like staying home with your baby, you know, for a year or for
00:15:33.920two years or whatever is like shocking taboo. And I've experienced this so many times with young
00:15:39.420women who I worked with when I was a head of corporate writing career, they would have their
00:15:44.640baby and there was just not even a, no one even would suggest to them, maybe you should like,
00:15:49.160maybe it'd be great for you to stay home with your baby if you want to nurse it. And until it's old
00:15:54.280enough to go to school. I mean, even just to say that to someone would have gotten you fired,
00:15:59.080blackballed as like a crazy woman hater. You want to ruin her life. You want to ruin her career. I'm
00:16:04.540like, well, well, no, I'm thinking about what actually you want as a woman. You don't want to
00:16:09.320leave your baby. It's the most natural, normal thing in the world. Um, the maternal instinct is very
00:16:15.560powerful and you just have this overwhelming instinct to be with that infant physically
00:16:20.580close to that infant, um, as much as possible every day, like as long as you can. I mean,
00:16:26.300that was what I experienced. And that's why I didn't go back to work in an office after I had
00:16:31.000my first child. Um, except for, I did for a few years when my oldest was in preschool at the time,
00:16:37.720then I had a fifth baby and that was it. I was done forever. I was never going back,
00:16:42.180but I would see young women come back, um, from maternity leave and they would, I'd be like,
00:16:46.680well, where's your baby? And they're six week old. And they're like, oh, well, he's in school.
00:16:50.440I dropped him off at school, you know? And it's like, they would show me pictures of like literally
00:16:54.120a six week old newborn at a daycare. And I just, you know, I can't like, to me, it's like so
00:17:00.180traumatic, um, to think about that baby with being without the mother and the mother without the baby.
00:17:05.600And they would talk themselves into this as being normal and okay. And everyone agreed,
00:17:09.260this is normal. This is okay. This is just what you do. This is what you do. And so for me to say,
00:17:15.760I'm not coming back. I want to nurse my, my baby. I nursed her for two years. My last baby,
00:17:22.140I couldn't quit her. Um, that was abnormal. And that was like, for shocking. And people would say,
00:17:27.680well, you're giving up your, you know, I was making six figure salary and all incredible benefits,
00:17:32.920all these perks. And like, how can you give this up? But to me, yeah, it was a huge sacrifice,
00:17:37.440financial sacrifice, but like, it wasn't a debate. Like I couldn't, it would have been like cutting
00:17:42.940off my arm. You know what I mean? But women have been kind of talked out of that. They have been
00:17:48.040kind of mind flayed to not even allow themselves to remember what the maternal instinct is. Therefore,
00:17:56.140what, what the purpose of that mother child bond is because your career is the only thing that matters.
00:18:01.960And I think that that, and we see this over and over again in, in, in all, even third world
00:18:06.320countries that traditionally had very high birth rates, as you introduce birth control and abortion
00:18:11.020to those countries and careerism and feminism, the birth rates plummet. And so now we're seeing
00:18:17.040countries all throughout South America, um, and Asia, obviously having incredibly low birth rates.
00:18:22.880I'm not saying women need eight, nine, 10 kids. That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying,
00:18:26.460you know, to beat the replacement rate, which is like 2.1. Okay. So like three kids takes care of it.
00:18:30.720But, um, even that is completely out of reach to women who want, who decide they're going to,
00:18:36.120they're going to work instead. So obviously there's this social pressure, right? And that's a,
00:18:44.140that's a massive component. Like you said, the way that, you know, women are told where their value
00:18:48.940comes from and how they need to approach dating and marriage and all of these things. But to be fair
00:18:53.700for a lot of people who do want children, there is a financial barrier. And like you said, of course,
00:18:59.780for you, it's, you know, it was a financial sacrifice, but I'm, I would imagine you probably
00:19:04.620had a husband who was able to still be able to take care of you. And so there's a, there's a
00:19:08.740situation that is also, uh, a lot of people are in where they're reliant on these dual incomes.
00:19:14.540We've inflated our economy to the point where it's impossible. You know, you look back to TV shows
00:19:19.160from the seventies and the eighties and a guy with, you know, four kids and a wife who stays home is
00:19:25.140like a shoe salesman. And I know TV isn't real life, but that was, but that was something that
00:19:29.400was relatable, you know? Oh, you're like a manager at a hardware store. Of course you can afford
00:19:33.920a home with multiple children and a stay at home wife. And today that seems impossible for a lot of
00:19:40.220people. So, uh, you know, obviously the social impact is massive and all the things that you've just
00:19:45.060discussed, but there is to be fair, a, a, uh, economic issue and a way we structure our, our
00:19:51.920society. That is a big problem. And I think that for the most part, conservatives, Republicans, the
00:19:58.100GOP, they've been in on this, right? Like they, they have, they have been involved in creating the
00:20:03.840economy and the social situation. They talk about family values. You know, you get people talking about
00:20:09.660the importance of family values, but they don't promote anything that actually would create the
00:20:14.580ability to people have families. So can you speak a little bit about the structural and economic
00:20:18.400problems that come from both the left and right that keep people who do want to have children from
00:20:22.320having them? Yeah. I mean, this is the major issue that you keep running into the wall, like how more
00:20:26.640kids, but I mean, how, how can I, I can't afford it. And I actually do address this in my book. Um,
00:20:31.680whenever I pitch an idea, for example, something like if you have three or more kids, you don't pay
00:20:37.000income tax, or if you have three or more kids, you get, you know, 0% mortgage or something, some,
00:20:42.760something that will give people the incentive or the ability even to have an additional child or
00:20:48.440even to have like their first child. Republicans accuse me of being a socialist. They come out and
00:20:55.200say, you can't, people have to work. I mean, we didn't get that. Like, no, it's a different world
00:20:58.960now. You know, the boomers, the boomers had, had it all. Um, people now need, need help. And when I look
00:21:05.540at the economy and inflation and the housing crunch and all of this and what it does to people and how it
00:21:12.340does actually make them, turns them into dinks, you know, double income, no kids out of, out of
00:21:17.320financial necessity. We can't even have this lifestyle. If we have, if we introduce children
00:21:21.680into it, we'll be live, we'll be poor. You know, I totally understand that. And it does make me think
00:21:26.280that there is something purposeful about what they've done to tear down the economy, how they
00:21:30.780outsource all the jobs in the Midwest and the Rust Belt to China, you know, starting in the seventies
00:21:35.140and eighties. And the GOP was a hundred percent in on that, um, outsourcing all of our manufacturing
00:21:40.180outsourcing, you know, car, the car industry, all of it, pharmaceutical. And so you have people who
00:21:46.780had, let's say mining jobs in West Virginia or whatever, those are gone. Um, thanks to, you know,
00:21:52.420the climate, the climate fanatics. And so you have people who were able, like you said, um, Ed Bundy
00:21:58.620could raise a child on a kind of a basic income. And now that's just totally impossible. Even two incomes,
00:22:04.140you're barely going to make it if you, especially if you live in a city and it does feel like that's
00:22:08.700purposeful. It feels like that's intentional. It feels like they want to make it literally
00:22:14.340actually impossible to get married, have buy a little starter house somewhere and have a couple
00:22:19.380of kids. That little tiny version of the American dream is almost out of reach for college graduates.
00:22:26.200Like how, how can you even do that anymore? They're not hiring, you know, white men aren't getting
00:22:30.720into college. They're not even getting a college degree. White men can't even get a job.
00:22:34.140You know, like there's just the DEI rules kind of, kind of shut them out even of taking part in the
00:22:40.100economy or, or things like, or college. Um, so it's purposeful. And yes, I totally understand.
00:22:45.160And telling someone you have to stay home with your baby. Don't put that baby in daycare.
00:22:49.300Well, how can you do that when they're like, well, we can't pay the rent. So we have an absolutely
00:22:53.120structural problem that has to be solved. If we want to solve the birth rate, Elon Musk has talked
00:22:58.960about this. Tucker Carlson has talked about this. Elizabeth Warren, before she, you know,
00:23:03.180went native talked about the two income trap. Um, it's, it's an obvious problem. There's an easy
00:23:09.080solution, which is the short term, give young couples a huge financial incentive. Take, you know,
00:23:15.740whatever, however you want to do it. I don't know. I'm not an economist, right? I don't,
00:23:18.860I was not good. I'm nothing with math. Figure that out. Um, make, make, make all that stuff free for
00:23:24.640them somehow. And then in the longterm, we have to make, um, this country livable again,
00:23:31.420which it basically isn't anymore. Well, I think a big part of that is also your, you know,
00:23:36.880just the mass immigration and the obsession with bringing lots of people in that are going to
00:23:41.580change the country, but, but more importantly, for what we're talking about, uh, change the economy,
00:23:46.860right? Like you have homes become extremely expensive because of the pressure of people moving in
00:23:53.500late, uh, the cost of labor plummets, making it difficult for people to make an income. You know,
00:23:59.180the, the competition for housing creates inflation that, that blows all of this out of proportion
00:24:04.020daycares, the, all the key, you know, it's my favorite trick that economists do is they're like,
00:24:09.220Oh, the inflation's fine. If you just cut out housing and gas and food and childcare and medical
00:24:14.220care, all the things you would need to say, have children and a family and live basically,
00:24:18.680you know, TVs are cheaper. There's no, they're not a lot of inflation in TV. So that's great.
00:24:23.000Uh, but, but, but all those other things matter. And so the, the fact that, you know, people are
00:24:27.800constantly having to compete for limited, uh, you know, jobs and resources against basically the
00:24:33.960entire world, I think is a huge issue. And I also wanted to talk to you a little bit about what you
00:24:38.720think about kind of the role that religion and identity play in this, because, you know, identity
00:24:44.680politics is a very dirty word, right? Especially the right, you know, hates it, of course, but there is a,
00:24:50.080and, and, and to be clear, obviously like the exploitation, especially when we're talking
00:24:53.780about these interchangeable identities that the left are creating are, are quite terrible,
00:24:57.280but there is something about, uh, the, the fact that people have lost a sense of community and
00:25:03.500identity. That is, I think very, uh, very critical to the way that people have lost the motivation to
00:25:10.060have children. Because when you were bound up in a community, when you had, I think, uh, the idea of,
00:25:16.080of, uh, an extended family that helped you to raise a child. It wasn't just, you know, the mom at home,
00:25:22.380staying at home every day, but it was, you know, you're plugged into grandparents and aunts and
00:25:26.520uncles. There's a community aspect that you can bring your children to, and you can involve
00:25:31.660yourselves in things that are, contribute to the community. You're not just isolated in your home
00:25:35.740alone. I think that made a big difference and people cared more about perpetuating their family
00:25:43.140when it was part of a long line, a tradition they could identify. Oh, my parents, parents,
00:25:48.460parents were here and they cared about this place. And, you know, my, you know, my religion will be
00:25:53.960carried on through them. And these are all things that I think are, give people the idea that they
00:25:59.140are involved in a continuity of being that matters and is more organic and is, is much more important
00:26:06.820than, you know, and the economic sacrifices don't seem as big when you value those things more.
00:26:13.060And I just wonder what you thought about the role that those, those factors, religion and
00:26:18.300community play in the, I guess, impacting current birth rates. That's just a beautiful way to put
00:26:24.780it. Yeah. I got really lucky because I found my way to sort of a community that I had never been
00:26:31.080part of before, which is a community of sort of modern day trad moms. I don't know how else to
00:26:35.640describe them. These are Catholic women. I mean, like real, real Catholics, like devout pro-life
00:26:41.300Catholics, um, who were having children and they were just having kind of, you know, one said to
00:26:45.860me once, uh, I asked her before I was, I converted, I was like, she was pregnant with like her sixth or
00:26:51.600seventh child. I was like, well, how many are you going to have? And she was just like, well, as many
00:26:55.340as God wants me to, you know? And I was like, well, like I had never encountered that kind of spirit,
00:27:00.100that kind of attitude towards having children. Um, and I started hanging around with them and they're
00:27:05.440like completely normal, cool, fun, like look normal. You can't tell when you're with them
00:27:10.180that they're like weird, you know, fanatics or weirdos. They're just normal. They fit in,
00:27:13.340right? Like they're walking around like regular people, but at home they were having child after
00:27:17.840child. They have, you know, I have five. So I'm actually something of a lightweight.
00:27:22.760There's a lot with, there's plenty with like, you know, four and three and stuff, but there's,
00:27:26.180um, a lot. I have friends who have 10 kids. I have friends who have 12 kids. Um, and they're
00:27:30.320completely great and beautiful families. Everyone's together, you know, they're just
00:27:35.060incredible examples. And so, yeah, so that community that I kind of started belonging to
00:27:39.800when I converted did inspire me and it absolutely did, um, make me think I could have another child.
00:27:45.480You know, I could, I don't, maybe I'm not going to stop it for I'm, it was okay. If they can do it,
00:27:50.600it's normal. I can do it. I think, so I think peer pressure also, when you're in a community,
00:27:54.300um, you're seeing what everyone else is doing and capable of doing and you think, oh, maybe I could,
00:27:59.860maybe I could do that, you know, and, and survive and raise, um, wonderful, devout children myself.
00:28:05.440And so that was like super inspiring and people don't have that. And that's where religion I
00:28:09.020think comes in. Obviously. I don't think I could do this if I hadn't converted, if I had still been
00:28:14.060what I was, which was basically a completely secular atheist, um, who didn't believe in anything.
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00:28:49.940That would have not, it really doesn't give you a kind of higher purpose or calling, you know,
00:28:57.100and a parenthood at the end of the day, whether you're, whether you're atheist or religious is a
00:29:02.120sacrificial devotion because you want to be a good parent. There's enormous sacrifices. I don't care
00:29:07.900if you're rich or poor, you are sacrificing so much of your time and your energy and your effort.
00:29:12.480And yes, your money and all those things for a lifetime, you're locked into it. And so I think
00:29:20.220thinking about it in those terms as like a sacrifice, as a devotion, it does seem to mitigate a lot of
00:29:25.860the kind of daily, you know, pains of having kids. And there's a lot of, a lot of pains. There's mess and
00:29:30.420all the other stuff. Thinking about it as giving back to some kind of thing bigger than you, like you're
00:29:35.600saying with your ancestors and roots and community. I mean, yes, connecting like my great grandmother who came
00:29:42.080to this country as like a refugee from the Russian empire in like the, you know, in 1906 or something
00:29:48.360on a boat alone and connecting her to my children and thinking what she did is paying off, you know,
00:29:55.760her incredible sacrifice, you know, one day, like if she only knew that she was going to end up having,
00:30:01.100you know, so many great, great, whatever, great grandchildren, how beautiful that is. And it's
00:30:05.720something that, that, that immigrants, legal immigrants coming through the border, they have no
00:30:10.680connection. They have no connection to our land, to our country, to our history, to our, you know,
00:30:15.160where our ancestors are from. I mean, they have their own in their, in their homes, I'm sure some
00:30:19.560long history there, but they don't have a connection and they don't have a reason to, to, to put down,
00:30:27.140put down roots and really fully engage in the kind of American project, which is what all of our
00:30:32.320immigrant parents did. They were just like threw off whatever, you know, whatever country they came from,
00:30:38.360they threw that off and they just kind of dove into like Americanism for lack of a better word.
00:30:42.940And we have so many new people coming in, like that's not really going to happen. That's not,
00:30:47.900it's going to be kind of like a, they're physically here, but are they here in their, in their hearts
00:30:52.840and their minds? I mean, I have no idea. And it, and it does degrade the other communities who have
00:30:58.260to struggle, like you said, struggle more for resources and where are they going to live? But I
00:31:02.440think, yes, the key really is for me, if you want to become a domestic extremist like me,
00:31:06.260try to find a community and a lot of people can find them. I mean, I found so many friends online,
00:31:12.060as you know, um, I've found people on Twitter or on X that are now my real life friends who are kind
00:31:19.200of scattered around the world, building, they're trying to build their own little communities and
00:31:24.700trying to raise families. And we're trying to do this in the teeth of like such hostility and like
00:31:30.280almost such pure hatred. And, uh, I mean that, that, you know, calling us far right in Politico
00:31:37.400is just an example of that. And I have libertarians calling me like this wacky,
00:31:42.080you know, wacky trad mom. And I'm like, there's nothing wacky about this. This is life and death.
00:31:47.000This is like existential. If we want humanity, if we want this country to see the next century,
00:31:53.180we're going to have to make more people like me and like you who understand the importance of this
00:32:00.300project that we're engaged in. I mean, it really is life and death. So one of the things that
00:32:04.420Politico again, got very angry with you about was talking about, you know, we're, we're done with,
00:32:09.560uh, trying to, you know, the, the way they framed it was they're done trying to convince people.
00:32:13.960So they're just going to have kids. We'll just have enough kids and you won't have kids and we'll
00:32:18.700just, we'll outbreed you. And then our kids will vote and you'll be done for. And you know,
00:32:23.260it's funny that they took so much offense at this, of course, which is hilarious because
00:32:27.620that's their entire plan, right? Like literally they, every day they're like, we're going to
00:32:32.500replace all the people in America with new people and those people will vote for us. That's what they
00:32:37.320announced on a regular. And then they get angry. If you point it out, Tucker Carlson, Hey, uh, you know
00:32:41.640how they keep saying this live on television? And they're like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. Conspiracy theory. You know,
00:32:46.880their literal plan is we're going to shift the demographics of this country and change the way
00:32:51.740people vote. And you're just like, well, no, that's my plan, but I'm just going to do it with
00:32:55.260my own children instead of importing people. Uh, but, but I will say this. So there's been a big
00:33:00.780debate over this issue. A lot of people get very angry when people bring up the just have kids
00:33:06.760program. Um, and I'll say this, it is necessary, but not sufficient. Right. And that, that's,
00:33:13.000that's the thing. Uh, but what they will say, this is usually their argument is look, you can have all
00:33:18.840the kids you want, but the regime owns the media. The regime owns the educational institutions. The
00:33:24.720regime has all of the consensus making apparatus, and they're just going to take your kids and turn
00:33:30.200them into cannon fodder, right? They're just going to brainwash them. And yeah, you had kids good for
00:33:34.680you, but you're not going to carry your values forward. And to be fair, when you look at the,
00:33:39.840the immigrants that are supposed to come in and replenish our population, that is actually what
00:33:45.020happens. You know, the, the, the joke I always make is, you know, the, you don't have to worry
00:33:48.740about Sharia law that they will turn the Muslim kids trans before the Muslim kids will turn your
00:33:54.540kids halal. And so what, what is the counter to this? How do you avoid this? Yes. You're having the
00:34:00.740families, you're bringing the kids up in the way they should go, but eventually they enter into that
00:34:05.380world and now it's completely controlled by hostile forces. What is the answer to this
00:34:09.660question? Yeah. I mean, if you're not careful, your children will get sucked out of your family
00:34:16.520values, whatever you're trying to instill in them, and they'll get sucked right into what the regime
00:34:21.000wants to implant in their brain. And it's real. And we, I've seen this, you know, I have friends who
00:34:26.420do their, they're, they're on the right, you know, they're conservative, but there's kind of nothing
00:34:29.820underpinning that. And their children go to, let's say a fancy private school or just the public school
00:34:35.260down the street. And they are kind of shocked when the kid comes home and says that, you know, mommy,
00:34:41.780I'm going to, I'm, I don't know if I'm a girl, you know, they're surprised. And they're, they're
00:34:47.140crying because climate change is going to make the earth burn up in five years. And we have to throw
00:34:51.740away our oven or get rid of our washing machine or whatever it is. And so I tell people this all the
00:34:57.820time, and I write about this all the time, my children though, okay, are marked safe from all
00:35:03.240that stuff. My children are not going to, you know, pro Palestine rallies and like tearing down
00:35:08.720buildings and their, and their schools. My children are somehow here in Los Angeles, in California,
00:35:15.160are pro-life devout Catholics who are, are chased and are hoping to get married early in their twenties
00:35:25.640and produce grandchildren for me and my husband. So we accomplished this. Okay. Look, nothing's
00:35:32.560perfect. There's no guarantees. Okay. You cannot, you can't guarantee in life that that's, that is
00:35:36.920what will happen. But I think I have a very good chance of getting all, or at least most of them
00:35:40.800through the gauntlet, through the, through the minefield and really comes down to very simple
00:35:46.140things. You have to avoid putting them in public school. Now I have friends in, let's say in Tennessee,
00:35:51.940outside Nashville, the public elementaries and the high schools are actually fine.
00:35:55.640You know, they don't do pride flags. They don't do pronouns. That's okay. Fine. But if you live in
00:36:01.340a blue city, if you live in a blue state, you have to be very careful. Um, you know, Austin public
00:36:06.360schools, I don't know, like you're in Texas, but I think Austin's a little bit, you know, a little bit
00:36:10.200wacky. And then if you also can get them to, you know, the cheat codes for us, really we're, we're
00:36:16.160becoming, raising them Catholic. Um, we, my husband and I converted, but the children are now really
00:36:20.620cradle Catholics. And I mean, talk about, you know, very instant brainwashing. Um, the Catholic
00:36:27.200church, we find a good parish, a priest who is actually like based for lack of a better word.
00:36:33.560Um, your children will be immunized. It'll happen kind of without you even doing too much like
00:36:38.800counter-programming for them. And then you have to also just make sure that they're not, you know,
00:36:43.440looking at porn on their phones when they're little boys, most boys access pornography on their
00:36:47.880cell phones, um, majority of boys by like age 11 or 12. And so you have to teach them
00:36:53.420why to avoid these things. And you, and the why is because it's really bad for you. And here's the
00:36:58.820reasons why, and it's also a sin and it's all these things as you kind of scare them straight. And then
00:37:03.400all their friends are on the same program as yours. And so you really kind of, I mean, it's really
00:37:08.820amazing. It's almost like a miracle. I don't have to worry about my kids, you know, doing fentanyl in
00:37:14.220high school and like dying when overdose. I don't have to worry about, you know, one of my sons,
00:37:18.340like getting someone pregnant. Like that's just literally not happening. And people scoff when I
00:37:22.300say this and they say, come on, they're all doing it. They're all, I'm like, actually, no,
00:37:27.140actually, no, they're not. They're not all doing it. There are places and schools that you can find
00:37:32.420and communities where the majority of the children, and I mean the vast majority, if not all,
00:37:36.720like are adopting our program. Like the political writer, she was horrified that we were talking
00:37:44.680about having our children that would look like us, you know, having your own biological children
00:37:51.640that look like us is bad. But I think what she meant was children that would have the same,
00:37:56.480adopt the same lifestyle, adopt the same kind of Catholic trad lifestyle. That was bad. And it was
00:38:04.480really telling that she said that because they want your children. They literally do. They literally
00:38:10.400do need to separate your children from you, the weird extremist trad, to get your child on their
00:38:16.860program. So they are not reproducing. They're not baby maxing. They're married to the state. They're
00:38:24.160married to Tinder. And, you know, they're self-actualizing through a career or whatever
00:38:29.040it is. They're exploring their sexuality until they, until they're dead alone. They are terrified
00:38:34.600at that. And if you can get on, you know, the lifestyle that I've been doing with great success
00:38:39.920so far, and a lot of people I know, and we're, you know, they're kind of like this hidden, you know,
00:38:45.640fringe religious cult. Some people think, you know, but we're just Catholics. We're just doing like a
00:38:50.860Catholic life that is completely normal or was a few years, as of a few years ago, pre Pope Francis.
00:38:58.060And if you can pull this off, I mean, if you can teach a child that, like a young child, like what
00:39:04.400a pregnancy means and what an unborn baby actually is and what, what abortion therefore must be and
00:39:11.540how mean that is for a mommy to do that to a baby. If you have a child who thinks that, who understands
00:39:16.300that truth, it's very unlikely that that child will ever grow up one day and go to like a,
00:39:21.620you know, an abortion rally covered in, you know, fake blood screaming for abortions. And that,
00:39:25.880that girl just won't, just won't do that. And so there are these ways you can do it. There is a way
00:39:30.440to kind of immunize your kids. And so, you know, wish me luck, fingers crossed we've done it.
00:39:37.420Yeah. I think that you're right. That the, the state, obviously, again, when they need to have that
00:39:42.660malleability they need, because they are obviously in a situation where they're not having a lot of
00:39:47.460kids, it's designed not to have kids. They need to be able to break down any barriers, any, any
00:39:51.920alternatives that you would create. And especially because they don't want your weird, crazy extremist
00:39:56.320lifestyle to seem actually pretty healthy and normal and desirous. And so it needs to, it needs to go
00:40:02.360away. And the key to create that really is those alternative institutions that you're talking about.
00:40:07.220You know, if you look at Jewish or Catholic immigrants to the United States, they created
00:40:13.700their own schools immediately, right? These are famously their schools. Why? Well, because they
00:40:17.960knew that the public schools in, you know, in America, well, they weren't hostile the way they
00:40:23.560are now. They were Protestant, right? They were inherently Protestant. And so if they wanted to keep
00:40:29.260their culture separate and different, if they wanted to keep them distinct and keep their values from
00:40:33.340being kind of just absorbed into the American culture, they needed to create alternative
00:40:38.760institutions. Well, whether we like it or not now, like traditional Christians are in a situation where
00:40:45.680they have to protect their culture from the majority culture. And so the way to do that is to create those
00:40:50.860same alternative institutions. Don't let your enemies raise your children. And like you said, very
00:40:55.860importantly, having those communities, especially conservatives, unfortunately, are just so big on the
00:41:01.620individual freedom, right? And the atomization. And they don't think about what it takes beyond just,
00:41:07.700well, make sure to raise your kids right. Well, that's good. But then they have to have friends
00:41:11.760and they have to get married and they have to interact with people. And the larger you can create
00:41:16.100this sphere of alternative institutions and community, the more can be included inside of it.
00:41:21.660So if it's just you and a couple of friends, well, maybe you can do some homeschooling and you can do
00:41:25.340some alternative things, but there's only so much you can do. But if you can build that wider and wider
00:41:30.040and wider, you can start including businesses, you can start including libraries, you can start
00:41:34.300including all kinds of things that are funded and created by your community. Well, now more and more
00:41:40.240things can be done inside that that system where you don't have to go outside of it and create a
00:41:46.700situation where the kids can lose their values. And of course, eventually they will have to go out
00:41:50.440into the world, but they will have a much stronger background. Like you said, they will have the all of
00:41:55.580their background will be linked to that faith and that community. And they will be have a much higher
00:42:00.900percentage chance of kind of going in entering into the normal world, but still retaining the
00:42:06.360values that made them who they are. So the last thing I wanted to talk to you about before we go to
00:42:11.440some of the questions from the audience is you just released a piece yesterday and I saw your tweet
00:42:17.200first and then I kind of saw the sub stack that you had written about it later. But obviously the
00:42:22.740the campus protests are happening right now. And they're kind of the biggest story in the news. We
00:42:29.260have the pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli kind of clash. It's in many ways an inter-leftist civil war
00:42:37.540going on where establishment left kind of nominally supports Israel because they have to, their donor
00:42:43.880base and stuff. But they kind of wish they could be with the radical leftist vanguard and they're the
00:42:50.180ones that are actually pushing these things. And you put out a tweet saying, you know, look,
00:42:55.620where were you guys? Like, you're like, I'm glad, you know, yes, that you should be protecting Jewish
00:42:59.860students from, from violence. But where were you people when they were threatening white kids? Where
00:43:05.660were you when they were anti-white and they were having these seminars on destroying whiteness and
00:43:10.440teaching classes and writing books? Where was this now? Because there's, you know, there's this backlash
00:43:15.100against what's happening. And as you pointed out in your piece, well-deserved because, you know,
00:43:20.040you pointed out you are a Catholic convert, but you are, you know, genetically Jewish. You have
00:43:25.400Jewish parents and such. So you're Jewish, yeah. Right. And so this is a situation where it's like,
00:43:30.400okay, you know, obviously you care about people being protected from, from violence and you want
00:43:36.840people to be able to, you know, have their identity and not have that. But also recognizing that
00:43:41.960this is something that the, basically the right and the, and just wider society abandoned for a
00:43:47.720very long time and suddenly has found the courage to stand up against. It seems only because a very
00:43:52.160particular group suddenly has like this right to exist when they were attacking a whole other
00:43:57.660subset for a decade or more, and no one seemed to be able to gather action to it.
00:44:03.140Yeah. I think the article you're referring to, I wrote for my substat called meet the Zoomerwaffen.
00:44:07.440Yeah. I'm calling the, the Gen Z protesters, the Zoomerwaffen, the, the, the, the Jew hating
00:44:13.260college kids on our elite campuses. And I wrote that for my substat, peachy keenan.substack.com,
00:44:19.540in which I revealed that, yes, I am part Jewish. My mother is a hundred percent Ashkenazi Jewish. I was
00:44:25.540raised secular atheist. I converted to Catholicism. So my kids like, no, you know, they're kind of like a
00:44:30.660mix of Anglo, Irish, Scottish, and Eastern European Jew, Jewishness, whatever, but they don't identify
00:44:37.920like racially as anything, but just white kids. Right. So my sons are now facing a world that is
00:44:45.940kind of arrayed against them as like straight white, you know, heteronormative males. And we,
00:44:53.480they, they understand, cause I have told them you're at a huge disadvantage.
00:44:57.220Um, we just actually saw this when my son who was a senior in high school, he applied to college,
00:45:02.960right? We just finished our entire college process. And I knew going in and we, you know,
00:45:08.520we were faced with the like, you know, ethnic check boxes for all the colleges and people on Twitter
00:45:14.280were like, make sure he checks black and Hispanic and check everything, you know? And he, I was like,
00:45:20.160I said, do you want, what should we do? I mean, if you just say white, you know, you probably don't
00:45:23.800won't get in. And he was like, mom, I can't lie. You know, he refused to even like consider any of
00:45:28.420that. So we checked like Italian and like a few other options that made him like a little more med,
00:45:32.940like something, cause we are part Italian. And lo and behold, he got completely shut out of all
00:45:38.100the university of California schools, um, UCLA, Berkeley, UC San Diego, and USC. And his scores
00:45:46.420and grades and everything were top notch. Um, and of course these schools let in a very narrow
00:45:52.380percentage of, you know, straight white males into their undergraduate freshman class. But it was just
00:45:57.500really interesting to see that actually happen in real time that, oh, in fact, there is, could there
00:46:02.500be a bias, um, racially against, um, people like him? So they identify as white. So I wrote the article
00:46:07.720in defense of, of, um, you know, like white people who are saying, yes, we don't want antisemitism is
00:46:16.580bad. You know, we do not want any hate speech against Jews or Jewish students to feel uncomfortable
00:46:22.540on campus or, you know, not allowed to walk into a certain dorm room or to be called, you know,
00:46:28.280genociders and colonizers, like, and to, for them to be cheering the deaths of Jews in Israel who are
00:46:34.380raped and mutilated and massacred. We, of course we condemn all of that, but, um, hello, that's been
00:46:42.080going on generally for, for white people, especially straight white males on college campuses for
00:46:47.900decades. And my children are about to start college and experience this for themselves, potentially.
00:46:53.560If they choose, if they make the mistake of going to one of these elite universities, which I hope they
00:46:57.440don't. And so that was my defense that that's all fine and good. You want to do special protections
00:47:02.280for Jewish kids. That's fine, but that's not fair. That's not fair because then it still leaves the
00:47:08.020kind of like, you know, the, the non Jewish guys, the, the Gentiles still the number one approved
00:47:14.440villain in the elite universities and in, in, in Hollywood and in basically in media, you're, you're
00:47:21.180still allowed to hate on the regular white guy, right? He's just, he's a bad guy and that will never
00:47:28.380change. And we can protect all these kids. All these groups have their special carve out Jewish
00:47:33.100kids after October 7th were suddenly felt like they were lost their carve out. They lost their kind
00:47:38.740of protected minority status and they're kind of trying to reclaim it. And John Potteritz, um,
00:47:45.380you know, the commentary editor, um, he's my nemesis, I guess. I really didn't really know much
00:47:50.200about him. He hates me. He put out a tweet and said, dude, wait, hold on. You can't do this. Jews are not
00:47:54.780white. Jews are not white. They deserve minority protection under the DEI regime. And, but the
00:48:03.040leftists are like, no, Jews are white. They're white enough for us. Israelis are white enough for
00:48:07.640us. They're, they're colonizers and, um, you know, genociders of the, you know, the browner people.
00:48:13.780And it's like this weird, uh, thing that happened with Jews, liberal Jews trying to kind of reclaim
00:48:18.840their status as oppressed minorities and the left rejecting that and saying, nope, colonizers.
00:48:25.400Not only are you the bad white guys, you're like the worst white people of all. And I think that's
00:48:30.360what we're seeing playing out. It's really kind of an extraordinary. So my, yeah, my article was just
00:48:34.720my, me, you know, pointing out like you can't have special protections for this group and not this
00:48:40.400group. No one should ever be subjected to hate speech and getting barred from, um, speaking out or
00:48:47.800whatever it is, or the same rights that, you know, and we need to return to a meritocracy
00:48:52.620in the justice system, in college admissions, all of it, you know, race blindness worked for a long
00:48:57.260time. And so that was my attempt to, um, kind of bring some sanity to the issue.
00:49:03.240Yeah. I would mostly agree though. I would say that, that hate speech is a word that is,
00:49:08.280I would use their language. Yeah. Well, and, and importantly, because it's, you know,
00:49:13.660the way that that triggers a lot of, uh, even lawfare at this point, you know, I want people
00:49:21.220to be able to criticize Israel. I want people to be able to criticize, you know, whoever they want.
00:49:25.480I don't, but I want people to be safe, right? I want their, I don't want anyone to face any kind
00:49:31.080of, uh, you know, physical violence because of their race. And, and while I don't think personally
00:49:35.960people should have racial animus, that's not illegal. That's, that's not, and nor should it be.
00:49:41.140I don't think that, you know, anti-white or anti-Jewish rhetoric have, uh, of, you know,
00:49:46.380should be funded by the state. I don't think there's, there's any need for that to be taught
00:49:49.800at any of these places, but obviously protesters have the right to go ahead and, and kind of make
00:49:55.020those statements as they like, as long as they're doing so peacefully. The problem is when obviously
00:49:59.220many cases it's not peaceful and that's a huge issue. One, one thing you did also mention that I
00:50:04.920wanted to pick your brain a little bit on is you said that you think that this could shift
00:50:09.120some of, uh, kind of the, the liberal Jewish constituency, like he said in the piece,
00:50:14.400it is a massive, you know, it, it's not as monolithic as kind of the black vote for the
00:50:19.720democratic party, but it's even more monolithic than the Hispanic or, you know, it actually
00:50:24.520is more, more, uh, organized in the direction of the democratic party as a vote. And I wonder
00:50:30.440if you think that will actually shift, you know, we're often, we're often told that these,
00:50:34.780the big shift is coming, right? Like black America is going to start voting for Trump and it's, you
00:50:38.780know, it's only a matter of time. And you would think like, logically it makes sense. Like what
00:50:43.340you're saying is, you know, makes sense. But then I look at kind of the Horowitz at, you know,
00:50:47.380approach. It's like, I don't know. Cause they feel like that unprincipled exception to the leftist
00:50:52.460rhetoric around colonization and everything allowed, like you said, leftist Jewish Jews to kind of
00:50:58.200exist in the safety pocket. They, they didn't sink to the bottom of the, of the oppression hierarchy,
00:51:03.860like you would expect from, from, uh, kind of the way that, uh, that, that narrative is laid out,
00:51:09.760but that is crumbling. So the logic around that pocket of protection is falling apart,
00:51:15.140but still it feels like many of these guys like Pat Horowitz feel like, like the protection is still
00:51:20.580for them on the left. Like that is still the safe place to be, you know, Bill Ackman and such
00:51:25.340kind of made noises about how they're going to fight the left. And then they immediately,
00:51:28.420he immediately turns around, dumps millions of dollars into democratic candidates. And I just wonder if
00:51:32.900there really is a significant sea change that could happen, uh, with, with kind of this shift,
00:51:38.640obviously in the rhetoric that is now including Jews in that, you know, colonizer white, uh,
00:51:44.420storyline. Yeah. It's really fascinating. And there's, but there's also a Jewish case on the,
00:51:48.820in the pro-Palestinian camps at these schools. So it's, it's really interesting. I mean, I can just,
00:51:53.800you know, I don't know the numbers on this, but I can just speak from just, um, experience. I,
00:51:57.540you know, I grew up in West LA. So I still have friends and friends of friends who are,
00:52:01.620you know, they're private school, Jewish kids who are now adults who have families. And I will say
00:52:07.860that the trans stuff kind of primed the ground for them to kind of go like, Whoa, this is,
00:52:12.900I don't actually want like my child becoming transgender. Like I'll draw the line, like at the
00:52:17.540private school pushing this, that's, that's kind of, that's kind of too far for me. So that I think
00:52:22.100has primed them a little bit for the first time to question their loyalties, the democratic party.
00:52:26.980And these are people who were all in for Obama, Hollywood people who were, you know, giving all
00:52:31.060the fundraisers and Malibu for Kamala and Biden, you know, in 20, in 2020, and they were all in
00:52:37.140Trump orange man bad. Right. And now after October 7th, I was hearing a lot of them say,
00:52:44.340uh, you know, we think we need to vote for Trump. He protected Israel. He is the only one who like
00:52:50.500spoke out for Israel. So, and then, and there's even some who say like Israel is their only issue,
00:52:56.100which is, you know, a common statement among liberal blue state Jews, Israel is their number
00:53:02.980one, um, issue. Okay. Not mine. Mine is immigration and crime and the economy. Okay. But for a lot of
00:53:09.380them, it is the number one issue. And so when they see that what's going on and they see, you know,
00:53:14.580AOC and Ilhan Omar making nice to people who they think perceive as hate, hate them and hate Jews
00:53:20.740are true anti-Semites. I think it does, it does shift them. And some of them have come out and
00:53:25.060said, they're not going to vote for Biden. I don't have to vote for Trump, but they're not
00:53:27.300going to vote for Biden. Is it enough? I mean, here in California, it doesn't matter. Um, we have,
00:53:31.540we're so outnumbered that it really won't make a difference. Could it make a difference in some of
00:53:36.020the other kind of purple States? I don't know, Virginia, um, and the Midwest. I mean,
00:53:41.380New York is very interesting to me. New York came close to, um, came close to, to Zeldin and
00:53:48.820has kind of sort of seemed to be going purple in some of the areas there, the Orthodox Jewish
00:53:54.180community, obviously there is pretty big in Brooklyn. Um, it's a very interesting state to
00:53:58.420watch. Can Trump win New York because of disaffected liberal Jews? Like, I don't think so in the end,
00:54:04.820but we'll see where we'll see what happens. It's, it's very interesting.
00:54:07.540All right, guys. Well, we're going to go ahead and switch over to the questions of the people,
00:54:12.020but before we do, PG, can you remind people where to find your book and all of your other work?
00:54:15.620Sure. You can follow me on X at Kenan Peachy and also subscribe to my sub stack,
00:54:21.140peachykenan.substack.com. My book, Domestic Extremist is on sale at Amazon.
00:54:26.580Excellent guys. Make sure that you check out her work. The American mind piece was particularly good
00:54:32.260here recently. All right. So we've got Cripper Weirdo here. He says, isn't the,
00:54:37.060uh, isn't this an upside down world where anti-natalists are all over the internet?
00:54:41.380Hang on guys. This, uh, hang on guys. This idea is interesting. Pro-natalists are the terrorists.
00:54:47.460Yeah, there is obviously this very strange moment where just a traditional life is that does seem
00:54:54.020threatening to the people in charge, but unfortunately that, that is kind of where we're at.
00:54:59.300Cripper Weirdo also says, but Ms. Kenan, don't you want to buy purses? Yeah. There really is that.
00:55:05.540I do. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I do. Yeah. I would love, uh, to be able to, you know,
00:55:13.220go to Neiman Marcus and drop, you know, whatever 5k on like a Celine purse. Like, sure. Maybe one day
00:55:19.700I'll be able to do that. But like I said, it's a sacrificial devotion and, you know, I, I feel like
00:55:25.860you can have to choose what you're rich in. And I feel like I'm rich in children and potential
00:55:29.620grandchildren. So no first, no fancy purses yet. I mean, like you said, it is, it is a, it is a real,
00:55:35.860it is a sacrificial act and people should go, should go into it with that, you know, eyes open,
00:55:40.420you know, like, I think there, I think that is something that doesn't do anyone any favors by
00:55:44.820lying to them about that fact. So, uh, but, but worth it as you would say. So, uh, Florida Henry says,
00:55:50.420greetings from Dakota badlands. Again, this goes back to Reaganomics. I make 150 K a year with a
00:55:56.580house. And the only way I see having a family is moving overseas. Uh, yeah. I mean, obviously
00:56:03.220there's a long, there's a, we can have a lot of debates over when and how, uh, the economic system
00:56:09.020that we have now is kind of developed. I, I, I have a theory that I did. We didn't dive into, but I,
00:56:15.180I, I think that, you know, there's a, a thinker Oswald Spangler who said that really once people
00:56:20.580start having to decide whether or not to have children, when having children is not part of
00:56:25.480just the natural rhythm of life that occurs in your society, that's where it naturally starts
00:56:31.220to decline. That's when you will, you will see this. And even if you take steps to increase the
00:56:38.180number of children, people just because they have to make that choice as opposed to just running into
00:56:43.280this as just part of the bill, but it will necessarily kind of reduce your number. And
00:56:46.880in some ways you start to think that modernity itself is kind of the great filter that, that,
00:56:52.120that, as you said, when, you know, all these other groups make contact, uh, you know, even outside the
00:56:57.440United States, outside of the West with many of the modern technologies and ways of life, it does seem
00:57:02.600to impact their fertility rates, no matter what people do to some extent. Yeah. That's so interesting.
00:57:08.140I definitely agree with you. I think that when you're on the pill, having to go off the pill
00:57:12.360is a very hard decision. It's a very, you have to make this affirmative decision to go off the pill
00:57:17.320or have an IUD removed. You can't just have a, whoops, I'm pregnant moment. And that affirmative
00:57:22.680decision to do that is scary. Cause then you're like, well, do I have enough money? Are we ready?
00:57:27.520And the real answer is no, you don't have enough money and you're never going to be ready. But that
00:57:31.660surprise baby is the motivation sometimes that you need to get ready. At least it was in my case.
00:57:36.920Yeah. There's the Mary Harrington talked about this in her book about the pill shifting the,
00:57:42.520the, the default idea of women being fertile to an off switch, right? Like you, instead of that
00:57:48.160being the default now it's no, you have to turn it on to be fertile. And that was a, a big shift in the
00:57:52.920mindset and the way that families form a creeper weirdo who again says, Sam Hyde said something
00:57:58.000interesting about this. How do I make my child based to give him, uh, give them earnest love
00:58:03.040and affection. And that's a crazy, uh, internet funny, man. It's such strange times we live in
00:58:08.020guys. Uh, well, I'll say this. I mean, obviously your parents' attention is going to be a massive
00:58:13.820impact on the child. The adult attention really is just kind of a magic thing for many children
00:58:19.820in the development and, you know, being intentional and putting that time in matters of course,
00:58:24.640but it does matter what you're putting the time in towards. Right. And that's where I think
00:58:28.680that community, that wider religiosity, that idea that you're connected to a tradition and a community
00:58:34.160matters because, you know, you could, you could have a parent that does spend a lot of time,
00:58:39.300their child attention, and that's still going to bring the child, I think a better life,
00:58:42.760but it won't necessarily make them based as many people would say. It does matter what you're
00:58:47.500putting in at the end of the day. Right. And I think that having a, being in close proximity,
00:58:52.540physical proximity to your newborn for as long as possible has been proven to mitigate, um,
00:58:57.600a lot of bad side effects that children who are separated early, um, do experience behavioral
00:59:02.340problems and other things. It's just kind of like a severing of the maternal bond. So the stronger
00:59:06.080you can keep it and form it at first with that young baby that kind of powers you through, um,
00:59:11.400the teenage years, which are a little bit, it's a little bit harder. They're getting,
00:59:15.240they get a little harder to love. Let me put it that way. Uh, perspicacious heretic says there's a lot
00:59:21.140of argument over women in this space. What should the typical woman sympathetic to this worldview be doing?
00:59:27.600To advance this cause. Yeah, that's a good question. There was, uh, quite a bit of, uh,
00:59:32.080dialogue about the woman question as it's often called on Twitter. What do you, what do you think
00:59:37.420is the best role or what do you see? Obviously you're someone who's, you know, speaking in kind
00:59:42.960of many of these spheres. How would you answer that question? Yeah. Women are, uh, would rather be
00:59:48.040lost, be, be lost in the woods with a bear, um, than a man. Okay. Like not me, although maybe it depends
00:59:55.000on the man, I don't know. Um, don't want to be locked in the woods with John Potter. That's all
00:59:58.640I know. Um, yeah, there's an issue there's women and men kind of at each other's throats, even on
01:00:04.920the right. Um, women are becoming more liberal. Young men are becoming more conservative. How do
01:00:09.420we get them together? How do we get them to procreate? Like it's this impossible, it's impossible
01:00:13.460dynamic, but I will say that like, if you make it a priority, like you really do want to get married.
01:00:18.340You really do want to like find love and, and have a baby before you're, you know, in your forties,
01:00:22.400let's say, um, if you make it the priority, I think you can do it. And I think that part of that is
01:00:27.400for young men, like becoming marriageable, um, stop, don't look at porn, don't smoke weed,
01:00:32.240like become a responsible, you know, looks maxing guy, like do, do what you can, you know, to increase
01:00:37.720your odds. And for women, I mean, the same thing, like don't, you know, don't get off the, uh,
01:00:43.200you know, antidepressants, um, try to pull yourself together, make yourself also more
01:00:47.000marriageable and more attractive. And that is like, you know, you're not allowed to say these
01:00:51.480things. Like you, if I say this in other company, I will get, you know, things thrown at me, um,
01:00:56.940when I suggest these things to women, but also I think the pill back to the pill, the pill actually
01:01:02.000decreases your libido. And it's been proven to actually make women more asexual and not even
01:01:07.540attracted to masculine men. And some women, I read a study that some, they say that the pill can
01:01:13.100actually make women, straight women, lesbians, because it just fuck makes you messes with your
01:01:18.420hormones in so many, in so many ways. So I would say that, um, you know, men find a girl who's not
01:01:23.520on the pill and women, uh, find it just a nice, just a nice guy. This all goes back to Alex Jones
01:01:30.460being right about the chemicals, making the frogs go in the water. It doesn't exactly. Yeah. Uh,
01:01:35.240Paladin YYZ says born, uh, born of Norwegian Lutherans. I adopted, I was adopted by a Catholic
01:01:43.160couple. My Catholicism guarded me from succumbing to Prague metal and pagan crap. I naturally love
01:01:48.840Sabbath priest Led Zeppelin, you know, good Catholic metal. Look, there is a lot of good Christian
01:01:54.080metal out there, guys. You don't, you know, you don't have to listen to, uh, you know, black metal
01:01:58.280or satanic metal. There's lots of very good Christian metal. You can listen to war of ages. You can
01:02:02.900listen to Striper. You can listen to, uh, all kinds of other, uh, you know, kind of death core
01:02:08.220bands that are, that are in the Christian metal, uh, sphere. You can listen to all kinds of good
01:02:12.980stuff out there. You, you, you know, you don't have to fall into, and by the way, Rob Halford,
01:02:16.900I believe has converted to, uh, Christianity from Judas Priest. So a lot of guys like Alice Cooper and
01:02:22.600these guys, like they, they realize like, you're not going to make it, man. You can't, you can't survive
01:02:26.620the rockstar lifestyle. Ironically as an atheist, it just, it just doesn't work long-term. So, uh,
01:02:32.300I didn't know you were into metal. Uh, I have that, the, uh, you know, the albums behind me
01:02:36.480for a reason here. Yeah. All right. So, uh, let's see here. We've got, uh, Mark Haas, uh, 588 says,
01:02:43.820how do we trust former liberal progressives if they can't forego the belief and presumptions
01:02:48.420that brought them here? If they just enshrined the Buckley effect of skewing, derailing the right
01:02:52.860wing leftward? Yeah. I've obviously written a lot about this. Uh, this is something that I, you know,
01:02:57.400I've talked about in my pieces, like the Neacon cycle. This is a real danger that the right
01:03:02.020needs to guard itself against. There's a constant revolving door of, I didn't leave the left, the
01:03:07.300left, left me guys coming in and then immediately demanding that the right wing become more accommodating
01:03:13.200to all their left wing positions, except like trans kids or something. They pick like one thing
01:03:17.520and then otherwise they're still leftists. And you know, they, they, they want the right to kind
01:03:21.240of conform to this. The key thing guys, I think is always about people who really see that there was
01:03:27.680something wrong with their prior belief system. You know, the, the people who say I, you know,
01:03:31.980I didn't just, the left didn't just get too crazy for me, but I actually saw a real problem in the
01:03:37.360priors that I held a fundamental issue in the worldview and the, in the values that I had.
01:03:42.600Often this does come with a religious conversion. Many, many, an atheist has become a Christian and
01:03:47.040realize that that also shifts their politics. And so I think when you see someone who is repentant
01:03:52.280in a religious sense, but, but even in a political sense of says, Hey, I, you know, I held these
01:03:58.220positions, but I understand that it wasn't just that my, the people on my side went too far,
01:04:03.140but that there was a real problem with kind of the, the axioms on which my worldview is based.
01:04:08.960That's when I think it's then you can see somebody who really is coming along and changing their thing.
01:04:14.720And, and, but otherwise you do need to be careful, find for people to come into the tent. If you're,
01:04:19.220you see that the left's going crazy, just don't put them in leadership immediately.
01:04:22.280You know, make them, make them sit around and learn a little bit before they immediately
01:04:25.460jump into positions. Right. Uh, let's see here. And then we have, uh, let's see. Uh, Robert
01:04:36.280Whitesville said right-winged American Jewish trad fam guy here agree with so much of this
01:04:42.040great conversation. Thank you very much, Robert. Appreciate that. All right. Well guys, as I said,
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