The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Fascists of Suburbia ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 6⧸16⧸23

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00:00:30.360 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:31.960 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.420 I've got a great stream with a great guest I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:38.120 So joining me today to break down an insane article from the left is The Prudentialist.

00:00:44.000 Thanks for joining me, man.

00:00:44.980 Thanks for having me on again. It's always a pleasure, Warren.

00:00:47.560 Yeah, he's suit-mogging me again.

00:00:49.780 If you're listening to the podcast and you don't understand,

00:00:52.620 Prudentialist has once again brought his suit game.

00:00:55.300 He did, however, do me a favor of not bringing the tie.

00:00:59.740 It's Casual Friday.

00:01:01.080 Yeah, yeah. I appreciate you letting me off with just a little bit there,

00:01:04.840 a little bit of a hip check, not the full-bodied blow there.

00:01:09.020 But he is absolutely there.

00:01:10.980 Of course, I will be in a suit along with Prudentialist over at the Skildings conference here next week.

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00:01:39.340 All right, so what are we doing here today?

00:01:42.180 As you might have checked on the stream title there, we're looking at an article from The Nation,

00:01:48.460 which is, of course, a ridiculous left-wing rag.

00:01:52.260 But this one kind of told some kind of mask-off moments here.

00:01:58.060 I was a little too clear about kind of the left's purpose, their drive, what they're actually trying to do.

00:02:04.260 So I thought it'd be interesting if the Prudentialist and I kind of read it together and talked about what was going on here.

00:02:10.360 So we'll just jump right into it here.

00:02:13.320 America's suburbs are breeding grounds for fascism.

00:02:16.940 Hate against trans people is rising, but the suburbs are what gives this hate its fervor and popularity.

00:02:24.460 So, of course, you know, ridiculous on its face, but you have to respect this from the left.

00:02:30.900 Everything is an opportunity to destroy structures that oppose them, right?

00:02:35.620 Everything, everything is an opportunity to take what seems like a mild disagreement

00:02:40.920 and turn it into a destruction of those who might oppose you and the things that they kind of rely on to get by through the day.

00:02:51.300 And so that's what they kind of turn this into here.

00:02:54.580 You know, of course, you can see this.

00:02:55.640 I got to say, this piece of art is particularly great.

00:02:57.980 It's just all of these people like running away from what looks like an exploding like terrorist attack on a rainbow target store here.

00:03:05.320 That's kind of an amazing snapshot.

00:03:07.160 I mean, it's lovely projection considering all the bomb threats against Target have been by progressives.

00:03:13.240 But I kind of would, I guess, maybe push back on the mild disagreement part,

00:03:17.600 because what might seem like a mild disagreement between like someone on the right and to someone on the left,

00:03:23.300 for them, all these disagreements are existential.

00:03:26.480 So I wouldn't say that, you know, for us, it's a mild disagreement.

00:03:29.400 But for them, you know, if you're again, if you want to criminalize pedophilia, for example, right,

00:03:34.420 all of a sudden they're going to come out of the woodwork and tell you that this is against trans rights or something.

00:03:38.860 And then, you know, more questions start getting raised.

00:03:41.060 And then when you ask those questions, right, that's when they'll put out the article that, you know,

00:03:45.020 you know, deracinating suburbia is actually the real breeding ground for fascism.

00:03:49.280 And here we are.

00:03:51.220 Yeah. And that's what I was trying to communicate there is that, yeah, for us,

00:03:54.560 this just seems like a mild disagreement.

00:03:56.360 But I respect the left because they take this to exactly to the quick.

00:03:59.900 Like you're saying, you know, they'll just at this point, they'll just say the quiet part out loud.

00:04:03.620 What do you mean, you know, trying to ban this stuff is directly anti-LGBTQ?

00:04:08.600 Well, what does that mean?

00:04:09.660 Oh, OK. You know, let's let's look at why that's an existential threat to that culture.

00:04:13.960 But yeah. All right.

00:04:14.980 So let's let's jump in here.

00:04:16.960 The first paragraph just kind of sets the scene.

00:04:19.540 The target closest to where I sit is in the Torrington, Connecticut.

00:04:24.600 It's next to a Home Depot, a Wendy's, a Walgreens, a Walmart and a Chipotle.

00:04:30.120 Of course, all, you know, all symbols of the Nazi party, well-known kind of conveyors of radical right wing ideology.

00:04:40.580 Driving is the only option here unless you're willing to take the one available bus from downtown

00:04:46.380 and then walk along one or two large highways that bisect the area.

00:04:51.940 If you drive down a few miles of road without or roads without sidewalks appear on which sit houses for sale,

00:04:59.500 four bedrooms, new construction, two car garages and gray exteriors.

00:05:04.720 So if we don't if we're not all packed into kind of giant high rise buildings,

00:05:11.760 going to our bodega, our local bodega, then we're just living in pretty much a nightmare.

00:05:18.360 Right, Prudentialist?

00:05:19.600 Oh, absolutely. I mean, there's plenty of things to complain about suburbia,

00:05:22.680 but we have to paint the scene so we can tell you that those awful people that don't want to live in the city are,

00:05:28.520 you know, it's not it's not your walkable cities, everyone.

00:05:31.280 It's it's suburbs. You know that you're in a you're in fascist country now.

00:05:35.600 So someone said the sub-rike is rising, which is that's that's good. 1.00

00:05:40.140 That's a good joke. So and I want to be clear here, guys.

00:05:45.340 So there are like legitimate points about the problem of suburbs

00:05:50.660 and how they create certain amounts of kind of atomization and deracination.

00:05:55.520 There are fair moments of kind of critique about some of these forms of city planning.

00:06:01.620 But we'll see that that is not like the interest here is not in creating a more healthy and organic kind of way of social formation.

00:06:09.280 The interest here is destroying your enemies, destroying your political enemies.

00:06:12.640 And that's going to be kind of the core here.

00:06:14.420 So we're not saying that suburbs are like the ultimate and best possible way to organize a city.

00:06:19.980 There are legitimate points to be made against certain aspects of that.

00:06:25.000 But but you'll see very quickly that those are that's not what's happening here.

00:06:28.060 Places like this are the most common form of American life.

00:06:33.280 Life as of 2017, 52 percent of Americans live in suburbs.

00:06:38.580 There are there are, of course, differences between, say, a suburb in Connecticut and a suburb in Texas.

00:06:43.660 But they're all variations on a formula and lives lived in this suburban areas tend to revolve around the same kind of places and the same kind of ideology.

00:06:55.660 Again, kind of got to give the left credit here.

00:06:58.700 They're willing to look at kind of structural issues in a way that much of the right is not.

00:07:03.480 They know what they hate and they know what protects it or what allows it to flourish.

00:07:07.520 And so their point is that the very existence of this type of housing kind of confounds the leftist project, allows people who disagree with the leftist project to live in a particular way that allows the perpetuation of their values.

00:07:21.700 And this is a very serious problem.

00:07:24.280 Absolutely.

00:07:24.900 I mean, it kind of reminds me of what Nick Land would say in like the Dark Enlightenment, you know, that exit is the ultimate form of escape.

00:07:31.240 And then for the left, they don't want you to have exits.

00:07:33.500 So if the suburbs are an exit from, you know, urban crime and the various issues of governance, taxation, poor living standards, you can't walk anywhere without getting mugged, then, yeah, that's an exit to them and they need to close it off somehow.

00:07:46.080 So how do we close it off?

00:07:47.540 Well, we associate them with Nazism and Nazis are the only acceptable target for today. 0.77

00:07:51.860 So that's what we got to do.

00:07:53.100 Mask off time.

00:07:54.240 Yep.

00:07:54.380 Always got to be somebody we can punch.

00:07:55.720 Always got to be, you know, the left is always and everywhere normalizing the idea of acceptable political and state violence against its opponents.

00:08:05.500 That's what this article is.

00:08:06.980 Make no mistake.

00:08:08.840 And yeah, it's, you know, that's another really good point is, of course, a lot of these suburbs are, you know, grow out of a need to escape certain aspects of leftist policy in cities.

00:08:19.840 And so the whole point is, again, to cut off any opportunity, even if it arose directly from reactions to leftist policies, for anyone to escape this, to live any kind of life that isn't completely consumed and ruled by kind of these progressive ideologies.

00:08:37.260 And so it makes sense that these are now places where fascism grows, quite the whiplash there.

00:08:44.980 I see you have Walmarts and and roads without sidewalks must be fascism.

00:08:50.940 It's all it can be.

00:08:51.980 The only answer.

00:08:53.440 The suburbs were invented as reactionary tools against the women's liberation and civil rights movements.

00:09:01.200 That's a very interesting thing to say about the civil rights movement and the women's liberation movement.

00:09:05.700 Both of them make it impossible to have suburbs, probably something that the right should think about there.

00:09:12.340 The U.S. government, in concert with banks, landowners and home builders, created a way to try and stop all that by separating people into single homes, moving public spaces, ensuring that every neighborhood was segregated via redlining.

00:09:29.800 So here's a really interesting contradiction that I want to stop and talk about for just a second here, Prudentialist.

00:09:36.380 Would you say that the U.S. government has been working actively against women's liberation and civil rights?

00:09:43.720 Is that that been the the stance of the U.S. government for the last, you know, 40 some odd years?

00:09:48.380 No, I mean, this is the Howard Zinn's baby's first understanding of progressive U.S. history.

00:09:54.120 Really, if anything, what it has been for people escaping to the suburbs or what often gets pejoratively labeled as white flight is people trying to escape the, you know, concert and balance of this coordinated effort between government banks and media to ensure that you can't escape integration.

00:10:13.560 You can't escape the all-consuming aspects of the Civil Rights Act or women's liberation. 0.99

00:10:18.000 I mean, there's a great tweet, and I wish I knew who said it, where he had said that really, at this point, for a lot of Americans that oppose the left, your whole goal in life is this rat race to being able to have enough money in order to escape the consequences of the Civil Rights Act.

00:10:32.000 And I think that you definitely see this here where it's like, oh, these people have escaped this progressive hellhole that we've invented in cities like Detroit or Los Angeles or New York City.

00:10:41.980 So clearly we have to crush these fascists that escape the the woodworks.

00:10:46.200 It's just funny that they've kind of backwards in backwards engineered the story where the U.S. government was like really opposed to all these movements instead of, you know, actively structuring the society around them and making them integral to kind of every aspect of of kind of our larger massified government.

00:11:05.120 And so it's it's I understand that they still have to play the victim here that they still but but it's just funny to me that they can't even keep like a basic historical narrative of this together.

00:11:18.800 Like they would still, I'm sure, say that, like, this is something that is ongoing with banks, even though BlackRock and Merrill Lynch and all these people like 100 percent agree with them on everything.

00:11:29.500 I mean, Wells Fargo literally had changed their philanthropy goals from like education, health care to more explicitly housing for low income individuals and minorities.

00:11:40.620 So, no, I mean, this is the funny thing.

00:11:42.740 Like if the U.S. government was really in concert with like maintaining this aura of white supremacy or fascism or whatever, right, like I'd imagine that, you know, Eisenhower and Kennedy and LBJ would be siding with Governor Wallace.

00:11:55.960 So we wouldn't have the National Guard federalized with bayonets telling people to do whatever they need to do to force integration.

00:12:02.560 But no, what's really important with this is that if they had only one strict dogma for how their historical narrative would apply, it would make a lot of common conservative critiques of like, well, that's hypocrisy or that's a contradiction.

00:12:15.560 That doesn't make sense.

00:12:17.140 That would work a lot more effectively.

00:12:18.740 But by having these sort of ability to be amorphous with your history, with your political narratives, it allows you to always be on the back foot in order to change your position and shift.

00:12:30.040 So, you know, in this instance, we're witnessing the article, you know, say that the U.S. government was the big, bad, evil guy, which allows them to stay in that motion of perpetual revolution, despite the fact that really the last 70 years of U.S. history has been a leftist, you know, form of narrative, a leftist government working to achieve leftist ends, not by the will of the people or the consent of the governed as the founders would have wanted, but by judicial and executive fiat, regardless of public opinion.

00:12:56.520 But having that amorphous political, historical narrative allows them at any time to sort of dodge critiques of hypocrisy or contradiction.

00:13:05.440 Yeah, I found this very interesting because I taught history, right?

00:13:09.500 And it is really important for people now to never learn history chronologically.

00:13:16.480 If you sit down in a current history environment, people learn McNuggets of history.

00:13:23.620 They never learn actual sequences of history, which is very interesting because that allows people to kind of basically what happens is you get told moral narratives in the guise of historical events, but you can't place them in any context.

00:13:40.120 So you have no understanding of what came before or what came after or how one thing led to another.

00:13:46.780 All you have is like, well, someone had to sit on the wrong seat of the bus or, you know, something like this.

00:13:52.080 And you just pull that out and you say, well, this is bad and we know this is bad now.

00:13:55.920 And then you just put it back into history and you never really think about any of these things being connected to each other.

00:14:02.400 And so that's a very useful tool.

00:14:05.360 Of course, we all know that the Orwellian quote is now just trampled to death.

00:14:11.880 But the control of the past really does matter because especially not just the events of the past, but the way people are allowed to think about the past.

00:14:20.500 Because you can kind of completely remove pattern recognition or consequential, you know, you can remove any of those those actual attachments, causal attachments from different events.

00:14:31.960 And you can just treat each event as a way to kind of reinforce your ideology.

00:14:35.940 You take it out, you put it back.

00:14:37.800 It only teaches you the lesson it's supposed to, but you never it's like how a lot of people do with the Bible, right?

00:14:43.800 They just grab random verses that currently agree with the thing that they're trying to teach you, but their no's verses are never placed in any kind of wider context or understanding of scripture where you can get a more holistic understanding of kind of how this thing hangs together.

00:14:57.900 Yeah, absolutely.

00:14:58.960 I mean, like you said, the Orwell quotes trampled to death.

00:15:02.400 And it's like what Steve Saylor said, that political correctness or, I guess, in this instance, wokeness or leftism is just a war on pattern recognition.

00:15:09.960 Right.

00:15:11.060 All right.

00:15:11.440 So, and so it makes sense.

00:15:13.360 These are now the, oh, we already did the fascists here.

00:15:17.020 Explicit goals of the designers.

00:15:21.040 I've completely lost it.

00:15:23.060 Oh, we didn't do this part here.

00:15:24.480 Okay.

00:15:25.280 The suburbs would keep white women at home, God forbid, and would keep white men at work to afford the home. 1.00

00:15:34.260 These were explicit goals of the designers.

00:15:36.640 No man who owns his house and lot can be communist and the creator of, the creator of Levantown, the model suburb said, he has too much to do.

00:15:47.640 So interestingly, the left or is, you'll notice the phrasing here, keep white women at home. 1.00

00:15:56.040 So large corporations love that women aren't at home, right? 1.00

00:16:01.800 That's a huge boon to them.

00:16:03.920 So they're saying that these people who created the suburbs, these bankers, these evil capitalists, they wanted to keep women at home.

00:16:11.860 But that makes no sense.

00:16:13.240 Like evil capitalists who want to make as much money as possible and pay the smallest amount for labor possible want women at work because it creates cheaper labor for them. 1.00

00:16:24.360 It creates a workforce that is more likely not to have a high level of conflict, and it also creates additional demand for services because now all of the things that once fell under kind of the traditional role of work for women at home suddenly becomes something you can hire someone to do or you can create a machine to do or you can get a subscription service for.

00:16:46.340 These are all economic opportunities that are created for capitalism by women working. 1.00

00:16:53.240 But these people who are trying to attack bankers, trying to attack capitalists, trying to attack this stuff, say that actually all of these evil people who care about nothing more than money are doing this thing that would make sure that they didn't make more money.

00:17:07.980 Yeah, I mean, the left kind of, again, contradictions is what allows the left to springboard and dodge any sort of major criticism and critique.

00:17:15.820 But, I mean, it does illustrate, I think, a big part of what the left really is.

00:17:20.620 But, you know, you hear that phrase quite often that the woke are more correct than the mainstream.

00:17:24.540 I mean, the woke are more in love with capital than the right is in a lot of respects.

00:17:28.480 They're more hyper-capitalist than anyone else because, you know, the things that move their march of progress are things that ordinary people don't actually want.

00:17:36.740 But, you know, when you have the ability to cancel bank accounts, change things by managerial or bureaucratic fiat, whether that be in banks or within the executive branch of government, then, yeah, you're going to work hand in hand with it.

00:17:49.320 It's many people will tell you that, you know, anytime you hear like a leftist complaint, like, yeah, I'm punk.

00:17:55.100 Look, I'm against all these things.

00:17:56.960 You know, I'm pro-trans rights or whatever.

00:17:58.480 And it's just like, so you're on the same side as BlackRock, the U.S. government, Wells Fargo, all these other large major banks and institutions.

00:18:05.220 They're more in bed with capital than the right is.

00:18:07.900 Yeah, it's certainly a situation where, again, like we said, once you can just pull these different aspects of history, you can just ignore any kind of actual connections or any kind of real context.

00:18:19.460 Then you get to form this narrative where you remain the victim, even though it's very clear that you are aligned with many of these institutions.

00:18:26.740 I mean, that creator of Levittown does have a very good point, though.

00:18:29.620 Like, if you own private property and have a job, you're not going to be a communist.

00:18:32.880 Like, all this communal housing, all these public works projects, all this, like, little renting America.

00:18:38.740 I mean, if you don't own anything, right, like there's no skin in the game.

00:18:41.140 Of course, I'm going to be angry and be more concerned about the bourgeoisie or the landowners and the rentiers and landlords.

00:18:48.680 That's how it is.

00:18:49.480 It breeds more progressivism because they have to take away things that you owned and that you earned and worked to have.

00:18:55.880 So, I mean, you know.

00:18:57.420 And that's why they have to define this as fascist, right?

00:18:59.960 Absolutely.

00:19:00.340 Because any opposition, anything that could stop the inevitable march of communism has to be fascism.

00:19:06.840 Those are the only two forces that exist in history.

00:19:10.440 And so, you know, they automatically slap anything that's going to stop the inevitable march of communism with that label.

00:19:18.640 So, yeah, he doesn't want people to be communists.

00:19:20.880 The only other option is to be a fascist.

00:19:23.000 There's simply no other option.

00:19:24.120 The reason Target has become the locus of today's particular right-wing backlash is the same reason countless viral TikToks attempt to convince women that they're at risk of being kidnapped every time they're in a parking lot.

00:19:36.660 Well, good news, guys.

00:19:37.540 Things are very safe in cities.

00:19:39.440 You don't need to worry about them.

00:19:40.820 People certainly do not, like, go to jail for attempting to defend themselves on the subway.

00:19:46.240 No one gets pushed in front of subway cars.

00:19:48.280 No one gets stabbed.

00:19:49.000 That's just not – those aren't real things that happen in cities in America.

00:19:52.740 So, you're fine.

00:19:53.920 Just, you know, all women should walk alone in the dark at night in unsafe areas. 1.00

00:19:59.880 You know, they're just fine.

00:20:01.280 It's all right-wing propaganda.

00:20:02.700 Yeah, that's what we're getting here.

00:20:04.680 It's the reason why true crime is one of the most popular podcast genres in America and why many refuse to travel with a gun by their side and shoot people if they set foot in the driveway.

00:20:17.000 You know.

00:20:18.140 Yourself?

00:20:20.440 Don't walk into random people's property unannounced?

00:20:24.100 Yeah, don't do anything to say it's a prank or you're on – you know, for a TikTok video.

00:20:32.440 True crime is – I mean, there's a whole other – that's a whole other –

00:20:36.000 Yeah, that's a whole other –

00:20:36.720 We don't have time to break it down.

00:20:39.980 But, yeah, there's a reason for it.

00:20:42.440 And it has a lot more to do with a particular audience of those podcasts than you think.

00:20:48.260 But, yeah, it's a whole other can of worms.

00:20:50.700 Yeah, like I said, we just don't have time to get into that.

00:20:53.320 But that's its own two-hour episode.

00:20:56.260 All right.

00:20:57.300 Hate against trans people is rising.

00:20:59.560 But the suburbs are what give it its fervor and popularity.

00:21:05.320 A million Torringtons, a million of these same locations in different locations in different locations –

00:21:13.320 Okay.

00:21:15.360 – in which any difference or anything out of place or spontaneous is perceived as a threat.

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00:21:52.460 People like being left alone.

00:21:55.220 What a surprise.

00:21:55.800 Well, so it's really interesting here.

00:21:59.820 They're going to argue – the argument here is that suburbs are kind of – are forcing uniformity here, right?

00:22:06.040 That's kind of what they're trying to say is that suburbs force uniformity and therefore, like, they have a violent reaction to anything that's out of place or spontaneous.

00:22:17.660 But, of course, this is exactly the reaction we get from over-socialized leftists in major metropolitan areas who lose their absolute mind the minute that anyone steps out of line in their company, tells an off-color joke, has any opinion outside of kind of their entirely pre-approved thing.

00:22:39.020 And this level of uniformity exists in a high degree inside pretty much every leftist institution.

00:22:46.660 And they're the ones that have an absolute fit anytime anyone kind of steps out of line with these things.

00:22:54.720 But they're trying to make the suburbs the place where any of this kind of freedom would happen.

00:23:00.520 Though, in my experience, you know, suburbs are the place where your kids can play outside.

00:23:05.420 Suburbs are the places where you can suddenly start a cookout with, you know, people – hey, I'm cooking some burgers.

00:23:11.240 Come on by.

00:23:11.880 You know, people just walk down your road.

00:23:13.420 All of a sudden, a bunch of people are all sitting around, lighting off fireworks, talking to each other.

00:23:18.480 It's the place where, like, natural organic community happens.

00:23:21.860 Those are the places where you have more spontaneity, not these places that are completely micromanaged by progressive leftist commissars.

00:23:31.040 Well, I think that you can actually reduce that down one step further.

00:23:35.260 What that really is is that he's complaining that there's homogeneity.

00:23:40.200 There's homogeneity in the cities because there's a dominant liberal mindset.

00:23:43.300 There's a homogeneity in liberal institutions because everyone has to agree to the same things and prostrate themselves before the same shibboleths and icons of people that they, you know, may or may not agree with.

00:23:54.180 But because they're leftists, they have to.

00:23:55.920 I mean, it's the same thing with the suburbs.

00:23:57.280 Like, everyone is out there to either not deal with the city, to escape the cost of living.

00:24:02.100 They're probably wanting to keep their families and neighborhoods safe.

00:24:04.900 There's spontaneity.

00:24:05.760 There's high trust.

00:24:07.400 So, I mean, you have this relative homogeneity both on either ideological or racial lines.

00:24:12.240 And so, you know, the city, seeing these people as a perceived threat, because we all share the same country, you know, I can live in the suburbs and, you know, say, like, out in the Catskills or whatever, right?

00:24:23.740 And I still have to be beholden to the politics in New York City.

00:24:27.160 And so, yeah, I may have a homogenous little suburban neighborhood outside of, you know, Manhattan or whatever.

00:24:32.780 But it doesn't matter because Manhattan also has a homogenous liberal mindset and they see me as a threat.

00:24:38.040 And this is what we're seeing time and time again is a mix of the sort of friend-enemy distinction at play here, but also, well, what's the middle class?

00:24:47.500 It's the suburbanites.

00:24:49.340 It's the people that can afford to maybe not live in the city but can't afford to live in the country because they have their jobs tied to the city.

00:24:56.900 And so that high-low versus middle is coming to play again in those evil, evil fascists.

00:25:02.360 So the guys in the middle and in suburbs flipping their burgers, wanting their kids to not get transed. 0.99

00:25:08.820 Ah, you know, first you want a grill, next you have a funny mustache in your painting.

00:25:12.580 Those are the steps.

00:25:14.480 All right.

00:25:16.480 No one on the stream has a mustache, I want to be clear.

00:25:18.760 It is, of course, true that these mass hysterias are part of an organized right-wing movement that is attacking human rights across the country through legislation banning abortion, gender affirmation, care, and books making it illegal for educators to teach American history accurately.

00:25:38.760 So this is a neat little package here, right?

00:25:40.700 First, obviously, the left is furious that anyone on the right figures out how this works.

00:25:50.920 The left organizes all of its activist movements.

00:25:54.140 It has massive networks of NGOs.

00:25:56.700 It makes all of this stuff happen.

00:25:58.780 And the things that we often think of as completely bottom-up grassroots movements are engineered by the left very specifically.

00:26:08.580 And some on the right have started to figure out that, actually, this is why the left wins constantly, and maybe we should do some of this.

00:26:16.100 Now, to be clear, the left has been pushing very particularly on the trans issue.

00:26:21.740 And this has caused a, I think, pretty organic right-wing backlash, one that is actually grassroots to some extent.

00:26:29.280 But for once, guys like Chris Rufo and Matt Walsh and other people realized, like, hey, we got this popular energy.

00:26:34.640 What if we did something with it?

00:26:36.160 Like, what if we, instead of just complaining about how the left has gone crazy and it's all hypocrisy, what if we went out there and we secured a policy change?

00:26:45.660 What if we got out there and we took a corporate scout for doing this stuff?

00:26:50.000 Like, what if we did something that made people stop and say, oh, like, we can win something here.

00:26:56.640 And people will change their behavior based on, like, what we do.

00:27:00.860 And so now that the left has figured this out, or rather now that some parts of the right have figured this out, the left is terrified, right?

00:27:07.100 All of a sudden, there are no right-wing organic movements, right?

00:27:10.040 They're all completely led.

00:27:11.640 And to be fair, this is both sides play this, right?

00:27:15.340 Anytime it's my politics, it's the politics of the people, it's the popular position.

00:27:19.500 Anytime it's your politics, it's the politics of a small minority of people who are radical and manipulating things behind the scenes.

00:27:26.480 When the truth is, all politics is operated by elites.

00:27:31.600 All politics that's going to long-term hold success is driven by small groups who are organized, the organized minority.

00:27:40.420 And so on either side, if you want to win, you have to do this stuff.

00:27:44.680 And, of course, they tie it to, like, all of their other issues.

00:27:47.860 Every one of these things is connected.

00:27:49.180 So if you ever cared at any point, if you're a woman who's big on, like, abortion rights or if you're someone who was worried about, like, I guess, education, about American history, then you have to feel exactly the same way about trans rights. 0.51

00:28:06.040 It all has to be one inseparable thing so that the political coalition is basically one giant suicide pact based around this new minority that is pushing more and more extreme things onto the American population. 0.65

00:28:20.500 Yep, but, I mean, there's a nugget of truth into that because it's the small, organized minority that gets things done.

00:28:26.800 And, again, like, you see this on the right as well.

00:28:29.860 Like, once there's beginning inklings of organization, you do get the usual gatekeepers telling you that this is a bad thing, that we shouldn't wield power.

00:28:38.840 But the same people that tell you that we shouldn't wield power are totally okay with you getting, you know, dealing with crime and the ongoing, you know, eunuch cult that we're dealing with when it comes to, like, transgender kids.

00:28:50.420 So, I mean, really what this illustrates to me is that, you know, oh, man, these people are learning how the game gets played.

00:28:57.520 I mean, better late than never, but it does illustrate that this is the kind of battle we're in, is who can organize, who can fund, and who can, you know, bring bodies to protests and things like that.

00:29:08.040 And those things have a tendency to escalate, and this is what this article is all about, is, you know, we've got to eradicate the suburbanites.

00:29:14.400 I love the new guy on the block, the new Republican on the block, or who's really kind of a very old Republican, I guess, but the guy who's like, I can't believe that there are right-wingers who want to use government power to stop their enemies.

00:29:29.100 I can't believe there are right-wingers talking about using the government power.

00:29:32.420 We have to have small government.

00:29:34.080 Oh, okay, how much are we sending to Ukraine?

00:29:37.120 Oh, as many trillions of dollars as they want.

00:29:39.460 Absolutely, every single one, tax, bleed everybody dry until we have every last dollar we need to throw at a foreign country through our arms manufacturers. 0.99

00:29:49.320 Like, same guy, within 10 seconds of each other.

00:29:53.500 Exactly, you know, just, that's the logic.

00:29:55.280 It's beautiful.

00:29:55.740 Yeah, what's the meme?

00:29:57.180 Like, we should send, you know, we should fund our police officers or actually enforce our laws.

00:30:01.260 And it's like, shut up.

00:30:02.100 And it's like, we should send more money to Ukraine.

00:30:03.840 It's like, yes, sir, glory to Raytheon.

00:30:05.780 It's the same thing, time and time again.

00:30:07.980 Exactly.

00:30:08.340 But the shape this movement has taken is not coincidental, is in fact a product of a unique shape of American public, or a unique shape of public life in America, or lack thereof.

00:30:20.180 Suburbanites do not have town squares in which they protest.

00:30:23.160 See, that's the main function of town squares.

00:30:27.080 Protests, right?

00:30:28.300 Not getting together, not celebrating traditional ceremonies or religious ceremony, you know, holidays, not binding.

00:30:36.240 The main, the thing that binds the leftists together is protest.

00:30:40.480 It's the destruction of civilization is the key for any town square.

00:30:44.080 So because, you know, you don't have town squares in suburbia, they can't have, they can't do the sacred ritual protest.

00:30:51.820 They don't have streets to march down.

00:30:53.960 Again, what's the purpose of a street?

00:30:55.500 Only revolution.

00:30:56.760 Turns out the purpose of every social institution is revolution.

00:31:00.400 Target has become the closest thing many have to a public forum.

00:31:04.540 I mean, it kind of reminds me of what, like, Thomas Marcus writes in Buildings and Power about, like, city architecture in comparison to, say, like, suburbia.

00:31:15.200 Wherein, you know, if you're concerned about controlling people or organizing power, you want your architecture to have, like, a town square or a city hall or a wide open walkable space where there can be bodies to protest and have a central point where they can all flood into.

00:31:31.320 The suburbs don't really have that.

00:31:33.080 I mean, you might have a city hall or, like, the school board or whatever.

00:31:37.120 But, again, if you're in a place where there aren't a lot of walkable areas, then what do we see?

00:31:42.040 Well, we see the same thing during 2020 with Black Lives Matter protesters. 0.97

00:31:46.840 They'll just lay down in front of the highway so you can't go home from your job back to the suburbs because that's where they recognize that that's their only avenue to block things is with regards to city planning, zoning, and architecture.

00:31:59.600 And so, yeah, I mean, it's all about protest to them because their only sacral, you know, their only sacred thing to them is the protest.

00:32:08.020 Everything else has been desacralized.

00:32:10.380 Well, you have to do the Napoleon thing where you make the streets wide enough for a division to march through.

00:32:13.920 Like, all of them have to be standardized there.

00:32:16.140 Right.

00:32:16.440 Well, you know, the obesity crisis, I think, has that settled.

00:32:20.200 Yeah, fair enough.

00:32:22.160 Yeah.

00:32:22.600 Current U.S. troops not going to clear that French street.

00:32:25.400 Yeah.

00:32:25.660 We often hear that urban areas are more liberal and suburban ones more conservative, and we're often told that this is because of race.

00:32:34.700 This may be partially true, though cities are wider than ever and suburbs more diverse than ever.

00:32:42.820 Interesting.

00:32:43.840 Interesting.

00:32:44.840 Is that a problem for them?

00:32:47.160 I'm trying to understand.

00:32:48.340 Anyway, instead, it may be that suburbanism itself is an ideology, breeds reactionary thinking, and turns Americans into people constantly scared of a big, bad other.

00:32:59.540 It's kind of funny here.

00:33:00.580 They're actually like, well, there's like, maybe politics isn't entirely based on race, which is kind of, you know, from their position is a very funny thing.

00:33:08.880 Yeah, I have to chuckle because that last sentence is one of those, like, woke is more correct than the mainstream type bits here because why do people escape to cities, you know, because the leftist policies typically run them into the ground.

00:33:26.080 And so there's, yeah, of course suburbanism is going to breed a reactionary thinking.

00:33:29.700 It's a high-trust society.

00:33:31.080 People go to the suburbs because they can rely on their police to deal with crazy people.

00:33:34.660 Well, heaven forbid, you know, we actually like having safety and security and a relative sense of homogeneity, but, you know.

00:33:43.800 Yeah, if someone decides to be inside my house, I have a sheriff that says I'm allowed to protect myself.

00:33:48.920 What a terrible thing.

00:33:50.220 I can't wait for the city to come in and ruin that ability.

00:33:53.240 But I wonder if their commentary about more diverse than ever has to tie into that, like, lovely multiracial whiteness that they've been going on about since 2020.

00:34:03.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:03.920 You know, you've got the rise of the Hispanic white nationalists.

00:34:07.540 You know, you've got to worry about that.

00:34:09.940 You can't.

00:34:10.740 If they move to the suburbs, then they're just going to go right down the pipeline, right?

00:34:15.000 Yeah, they'll just keep bleaching themselves, you know.

00:34:16.860 It doesn't matter what Martinez, you know, has to say.

00:34:19.400 He's a Nazi now. 0.83

00:34:20.820 Blue-eyed Gonzalez is as far as the eye can see.

00:34:25.440 All right.

00:34:26.000 The suburban doctrine dictates that public space be limited and conflict-free where it exists.

00:34:33.220 I mean, yeah, more conflict, man.

00:34:35.240 Let's get as much conflict as we can into our areas.

00:34:38.280 That's a goal of civilization.

00:34:40.380 We wouldn't want a place that's conflict-free.

00:34:43.240 That would be a terrible thing.

00:34:44.340 No one would want to live there.

00:34:46.360 That private space serves only as a place of commodity exchange.

00:34:50.940 That surveillance, hyper-individualism, and constant vigilance are good and normal and keep people safe.

00:34:56.860 Again, you're going to get way more surveillance, or at least as much surveillance, in a city.

00:35:02.940 So a lot of this stuff can just be directly ported over, you know, to leftist urban environments.

00:35:10.140 You're certainly getting a lot of hyper-individualization in those areas.

00:35:13.280 It's not like people have deep roots in a lot of these cities that they're desperately fleeing because they've become incredibly dirty and unsafe.

00:35:21.700 I mean, people don't have deep roots in suburbs either.

00:35:25.040 I mean, like, they're incredibly deracinating.

00:35:28.140 Like, oh, where are you from?

00:35:29.080 Like, oh, I'm in this cookie-cutter suburb that I...

00:35:31.620 Like, it's almost as if everyone kind of forgets the, like, progressive lefty, like, musical counterculture of, like, Bowling for Soup or Green Day, complaining about how crappy the suburbs are.

00:35:42.320 Because there's no place to really exist or to be me.

00:35:45.700 But, I mean, like, in this age of digital communication, right, like, we've achieved this great fragmentation of identity.

00:35:52.280 Like, Marshall McLuhan was talking about this, like, back in the, like, 50s or 60s of the Gutenberg galaxy.

00:35:57.920 He was just like, look, the television visual medium will die and we will have this electronic interdependence to where now we live in this, like, global homogenizing village where it doesn't matter that someone like me who lives out in the country where kids can, like, literally ride their horses to, like, go to the local park or to go to high school.

00:36:16.540 If they're still speaking in the same sort of, like, Zoomer, TikTok, you know, gesticulation type of language.

00:36:23.200 And so, I mean, cities and suburbs have become really hyper-individualistic, but they've also been, like, really flattened, sort of like Kierkegaard's concept of the leveling.

00:36:32.020 There is no more unique identities.

00:36:33.740 It's all sort of the same homogenizing force, but in the suburbs, the homogenizing force is that, well, we have some sort of desire to not be like them, the city, the area of crime, the area in which there has been this atomization of private property, of law and order.

00:36:51.400 And then if I do something that, you know, 20 years ago would have been seen as something worth, you know, applauding and getting the key to the city, now it gets you arrested by a progressive district attorney whose campaign was funded by, like, the Soros's.

00:37:04.040 Like, this is where we're at now.

00:37:05.620 And so, for them, on the, say, the suburban side or the progressive side or urban side in the progressives, all that you're seeing now is that, well, these guys aren't like us.

00:37:13.580 And that's clearly a problem because we have to homogenize them into this progressive anarcho-tyrannical state where if you speak up, that's the case.

00:37:21.940 And I'm surprised that they haven't leaned too much into the racial element by that for reasons I really don't know as to why this article doesn't.

00:37:29.440 But, I mean, consider the fact that, you know, white guy Daniel Perry or Penny, the gentleman from New York City who, you know, tried to take care of a crazy person in a chokehold who unfortunately passed away.

00:37:40.160 And I don't think it was related to the chokehold but with drugs.

00:37:42.720 And now all of a sudden, you know, he's arrested for doing something that was in his home.

00:37:48.260 He's from that area.

00:37:49.240 He wasn't some stranger.

00:37:50.380 But they have to treat him as one because he was white and because he did something that 20 years ago would have been seen normal.

00:37:56.840 Would have been heroic.

00:37:58.000 Yeah, would have been heroic.

00:37:58.900 I mean, he's a hero.

00:37:59.740 I don't care what people say.

00:38:00.900 He's a hero.

00:38:01.440 Get that guy a steak dinner, right?

00:38:03.000 Like, that would have been the response.

00:38:05.540 Same thing with the Kyle Rittenhouse thing, right?

00:38:07.340 Yeah, absolutely.

00:38:08.540 Slightly different dynamics there.

00:38:09.980 But, again, you're absolutely right.

00:38:12.100 You know, he is in front of a prosecutor because of the race of the guy who died.

00:38:17.840 That's all there is to it.

00:38:19.560 You know, and it's not just – though it certainly falls more because he's white.

00:38:24.080 There was the other – I'm trying to remember.

00:38:26.960 There was another guy who, like, shot an armed robber who was trying to do his – trying to take stuff in his bodega.

00:38:34.140 And he, you know, even though it was completely and obviously self-defense, he ended up on trial for murder.

00:38:42.280 And he was, like, Lebanese or something.

00:38:44.620 You know, like, he wasn't white at all.

00:38:46.360 So it's very clear that, like you said, this anarcho-tyranny is something that is just heavily desired.

00:38:52.900 It's incredibly racially motivated.

00:38:54.840 And it makes it impossible for people to live in those societies.

00:38:58.760 And then as soon as they try to escape anywhere else, then, you know, they're just agents of fascism.

00:39:04.000 Yeah, and, I mean, that's the really big divide here.

00:39:07.020 I'm glad that you kind of chimed in there because I think it helps trying to get to where I was going.

00:39:10.840 Because in a large urban area where it's more concentrated, it's more progressive, anarcho-tyranny works because there's not a large enough collective for people to say no or to protest.

00:39:22.700 Whereas in the suburbs, there are enough people that share your opinions that if you were to defend yourself and you were to, say, you know, take the life of someone trying to rob you, you probably have more than enough people that have your back.

00:39:37.380 And even then, it's not a guarantee nowadays, as we've seen in the past.

00:39:40.640 Because, again, the Internet makes it accessible for anyone to see.

00:39:44.340 So it doesn't matter if you live out in the middle of nowhere like I do.

00:39:46.740 Like, if I were, unfortunately, in a self-defense situation, not to rip off Sam Hyde there, but, like, you know, and I had to take the life of somebody who was trying to rob me and he happened to be black, it doesn't matter. 0.52

00:39:57.740 There's an army of urban leftists that are ready to come invade my little country estate to make sure that I'm properly prosecuted or something like that.

00:40:05.660 That's the nature of this kind of conflict.

00:40:07.320 It really has been, as, you know, this article's author has correctly identified it's existential for them because apparently we're fascists.

00:40:14.600 Well, and, you know, it's funny because, of course, they're complaining about the organization of the right.

00:40:19.780 Oh, you know, they're artificially producing this stuff.

00:40:21.900 They're top-down manipulations and creating these movements.

00:40:25.740 But, of course, the thing you're talking about, the phenomenon you're talking about there, is exactly one created by the left from the top down to bus large armies of protesters into small suburban areas if there's any kind of shooting they can exploit.

00:40:42.640 You know, Kenosha, Wisconsin probably wasn't the most crazy urban environment.

00:40:49.440 So, even if you do manage to get yourself outside of these areas, yeah, like you said, you're just in a situation where the left will bring the problem to you.

00:40:57.920 And so, again, the point is to always eliminate any area of safety.

00:41:02.400 You're never allowed to have any of this stuff.

00:41:04.280 You're never allowed to be anything but lockstep with the progressive movement.

00:41:08.040 And in any attempt to move outside of it or escape it, you will be chased down.

00:41:12.740 There's just, you know, the side that wants to win is going to beat the people who want to be left alone.

00:41:16.920 Yeah, and I want the audience at home to think about that and then consider immigration.

00:41:22.500 It's the same thing.

00:41:23.480 It's an ideology that extends beyond the suburbs.

00:41:28.360 It affects everything.

00:41:29.340 Even cities, as Sarah Schulman writes in The Gentrification of the Mind, have become places where people expect convenience and calmness over culture and community.

00:41:38.640 What is a life of living in a surveilled and amenity-filled high-rise and ordering all of your food and objects from the internet to your door, if not a suburban life?

00:41:53.080 So, yeah, we can just kind of reverse engineer our argument here, right?

00:41:56.900 Yeah.

00:41:57.160 The problem is that our cities are too much like suburbs.

00:42:00.680 It's not that our, you know, ruling affluent class created a bunch of problems so that they could obtain more power and then use their affluence to completely block off any of the consequences of those decisions.

00:42:14.720 We have to completely decouple any kind of consequences.

00:42:17.740 The only thing they're trying to evolve is culture and community.

00:42:20.780 What does culture and community mean in this sentence?

00:42:25.280 It means the escape of from what?

00:42:28.400 It feels like they're trying to tell on themselves really hard here.

00:42:32.320 Oh, I mean, what is every leftist fluff piece other than a projected confessional about what they want to do to other people?

00:42:38.940 Very true.

00:42:40.060 You're not wrong.

00:42:41.260 To make matters worse, the people who have adopted this mindset don't see it as an ideology but as the normal right state of the world.

00:42:49.700 There, as Schumann writes, look in the mirror and think it's a window.

00:42:53.280 So when anything, even a gay t-shirt disrupts their view, they become scared.

00:43:00.340 Yes, that's all that's happened.

00:43:02.420 Someone has a t-shirt that's gay.

00:43:04.080 That's the only thing that's happening in society right now.

00:43:07.440 That's exactly right, I'm sure.

00:43:10.880 Anti-trans panic at the center of the target controversy.

00:43:14.840 Let's remember again, as Prude rightly pointed out, the timeline.

00:43:19.700 Let's give a little bit of context to these events because we seem to hate context right now.

00:43:27.020 Remember what led to this, okay?

00:43:30.500 Why are we here?

00:43:31.360 Parents have been targeted by the FBI if they disagree with their children being forced to be groomed by American educational institutions.

00:43:42.820 If they don't want radical gender ideology forced under their children, they are threatened by state security apparatus.

00:43:50.740 We had a guy who was protesting the aggressive rape of his child, his daughter, in a school bathroom, arrested just because he disagreed with the school board.

00:44:04.000 He was pulled out and arrested for this reason.

00:44:08.260 Then we had a shooter in Nashville, following trans ideology, kill six people, three of them children, at a Christian school.

00:44:24.760 And right after that, immediately after that, it was not, oh, we feel a lot of remorse for the Christian community. 0.90

00:44:31.840 We feel really bad for the people who went to the school.

00:44:34.580 We're going to do a lot of donations for these people.

00:44:36.780 Well, instead, every single institution from the federal government, Joe Biden, the White House, down to these corporations, down to celebrities like Madonna, said, oh, we're on the side of the trans shooter. 0.89

00:44:49.600 We're on the side.

00:44:50.580 We stand with that community, not the one that was attacked, that was murdered.

00:44:55.340 We don't stand with the murdered children.

00:44:57.480 We stand with the other community.

00:45:00.200 This is what actually started the boycott thing, at least to some extent.

00:45:04.000 This is the context in which then these really aggressive pride celebrations became offensive because this person had murdered six people, had murdered children, had murdered Christians, and everyone sided with the cause of the shooter.

00:45:24.460 On top of that, there was another trans shooter who was stopped.

00:45:29.080 Again, we don't talk about this anymore, that this person just disappeared from the news.

00:45:32.620 There was another one that was stopped that was planning to target a middle school and multiple churches.

00:45:37.780 So we very well could have had dozens of dead children or Christians across the nation from this ideology. 1.00

00:45:48.480 When we had the target incident, after the protests, where are the threats coming from?

00:45:55.800 The bomb threats towards these targets, all the news agencies shifted the headline to try to make it look like these were just coming from people who opposed the Pride Month or whatever who are for the target boycott.

00:46:08.820 But they weren't.

00:46:09.480 These threats were explicitly from people who said target backed down to these bigots, target betrayed the LGBTQ community.

00:46:18.340 They're the ones pushing violence. 0.84

00:46:20.240 So to be really clear, every step of the way of this, the violence, the direct terrorism, the direct acts of state persecution have come from the left, have come under the justification of advancing radical gender ideology, trans ideology, especially when it comes to children. 0.70

00:46:43.120 But when we get the sentence here, the anti-trans panic, if it's something completely manufactured, it came out of nowhere, has no connection to reality.

00:46:55.820 Remember, look at the context, guys.

00:46:57.880 Think about the chronology.

00:46:59.360 These things happen.

00:47:00.360 These events are connected.

00:47:01.860 They mean something.

00:47:02.900 And the goal of pieces like this is to pretend it's all just ridiculous.

00:47:07.600 It's all just hysteria.

00:47:08.600 And actually, not only is that it's artificially manufactured by evil fascists, these kulaks living in their suburbs, their suburbs, they're eventually going to go out and just like slaughter all these trans people. 0.99

00:47:20.020 And so, like, we've got to get rid of them first.

00:47:22.140 Like, it's very clearly the tone of this piece.

00:47:24.700 It's very clearly what they're trying to say.

00:47:26.020 If we don't eradicate these people's way of life, then they're going to get rid of us.

00:47:30.560 And so, we've got to get rid of them.

00:47:32.120 And that's why when they say things like the anti-trans panic here, they don't give any context to what actually happened.

00:47:37.980 Because if they did, you might realize, like, actually all the violence is coming from a particular side.

00:47:43.840 And there's a connection there.

00:47:46.500 Absolutely.

00:47:47.160 And I think that, you know, we talk about chronology.

00:47:49.800 And I think that it's important to kind of contextualize that, you know, we're less than 10 years out from Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015.

00:48:00.480 And from, you know, love is love, which of course isn't, you know, here we are now where, you know, LGBT crowds and lobbies are threatening to bomb targets and other convenience stores that kowtow to regular people. 0.51

00:48:18.840 Not diehard right-wingers, not people that are, you know, shaving their mustache a certain way.

00:48:24.860 Individuals that don't want their children to be exposed to deranged satanic artists.

00:48:30.880 And again, it's the target thing.

00:48:31.980 The creator behind those is a literal Satanist, you know, who has shirts and things that say, you know, Satan respects your pronouns.

00:48:38.860 Believe it or not, Satan does respect your pronouns, so he can get you into hell.

00:48:41.400 But outside of just the religious aspect of this, too, this, you know, pull that thread a little, go back even further in time.

00:48:47.920 You've got, you know, individuals like Harry Hay, you know, that Nambla walks with him at gay pride parades.

00:48:53.080 You know, a national pederistic association, you know, that's what he walks with.

00:48:58.420 And they can't help but tell on themselves when it comes to this.

00:49:01.080 Because, you know, when they do have those choirs saying that we're coming after your kids, it's the same thing that they were saying 15, 60 years ago when these movements were just starting.

00:49:09.020 And when people say no to it, and you can't proselytize it, you can't abuse or expose these children to it, you're absolutely right.

00:49:15.940 It is existential for these sort of groups.

00:49:18.160 Because when you say no to it, and you stop proselytizing it, people have a tendency to not believe it.

00:49:23.820 Just a month and a half ago, Oren and myself and Logan Clark Hall from New Founding, we had an episode together.

00:49:29.980 And we were talking about how one in five Gen Z Americans identify as some kind of LGBT identity.

00:49:35.240 It doesn't matter if they actually practice those acts or not.

00:49:39.220 The identity is what matters to them.

00:49:41.120 They have to enculturate these people to assume that it's acceptable.

00:49:45.000 If you can have that sort of cultivation going on within the young, it's the same thing that every Leninist, every Marxist, every socialist has ever said.

00:49:53.560 Give me a generation of kids, and they will turn you into the gulags, you know, within just 15 to 20 years.

00:49:59.760 And this is what we have now.

00:50:01.100 I mean, we already saw this with other political issues, whether it be parents reporting or children reporting on their parents for attending an electoral justice protest on January 6th, 2021.

00:50:11.200 The same thing will happen now.

00:50:12.520 You don't want your children to be on, you know, testosterone or HRT or to get a double mastectomy or whatever.

00:50:18.840 Well, you'll see states like California propose some sort of, quote unquote, underground railroad.

00:50:23.420 Because for the left, the cultural mythology is the solid march of a never-ending revolution until everyone is atomized, everyone can't breed.

00:50:33.540 You know, what's that C.S. Lewis line?

00:50:35.140 We castrate the geldings and then bid them to be fruitful. 1.00

00:50:37.800 This is what it is.

00:50:38.820 And the only way that this sort of leftist ideology can be fruitful is if it is in every aspect of the public space 24-7.

00:50:45.160 I mean, Glenn Youngkin only got elected because he started focusing on the cultural issues of what happened in that school in Loudoun County, Virginia, where that child was assaulted by a trans person or a trans student, which just happens to be a boy assaulting girls.

00:51:00.340 And so, again, what this article is doing is illustrating that there is a state of emergency for this particular political bent.

00:51:08.100 And when there's a state of emergency, powers that be will decide a state of exception, and that's when you start targeting people that you disagree with.

00:51:15.320 And this sort of targeting has been going on for a very long time.

00:51:19.320 You have the legal superstructure for it, as we saw with the Bostock County case in 2020, where actually, yes, transgender discrimination isn't valid, and it is illegal under the Civil Rights Act and its preceding amendments.

00:51:32.820 You do live under a legal superstructure that if there are protected groups, there is little to nothing that you can do about it.

00:51:39.660 And right now, what people still can do is try and move away and vote with their wallet and ask these brands to not put it on there.

00:51:47.220 And by even simply asking, hey, Target, I don't want this crap for my kids, that's considered to be an existential genocidal crisis for them.

00:51:56.060 Ergo, you're a fascist.

00:51:57.280 We must have a never again sort of rhetoric, and we have to target you.

00:52:00.760 Simple as that.

00:52:01.540 But it really is amazing, you know, when Paul Gottfried explains that basically the American regime is just one of denazification.

00:52:12.320 How true.

00:52:14.160 Yeah, please read Anti-Fascism, Course for Crusade by Paul Gottfried, because it really does explain this in much better detail than I just gave in a five, you know, 30 second rant.

00:52:24.100 Though you did give excellent detail.

00:52:25.660 But yeah, it is amazing how well that argument kind of holds together and how prescient it has been when we now, when we kind of saw everyone transition from, oh, you know, everyone who disagrees with left is racist to everyone is actually a fascist.

00:52:41.800 And all of a sudden it turns out that you need to eliminate the places where fascists live, because that's certainly not rhetoric that's ever gone wrong ever in history.

00:52:51.420 No.

00:52:51.780 All right.

00:52:53.200 Well, guys, we're going to move over to the questions of the people.

00:52:56.160 But before we do that, Mr. Prudentialist, is there anything people should know about?

00:53:00.100 Where can they find your excellent work?

00:53:01.900 Oh, absolutely.

00:53:02.680 Well, once again, Oren, thank you for having me on.

00:53:04.480 Always enjoy speaking with you and as well as with your lovely audience.

00:53:07.720 You can find me on YouTube, Twitter and all sorts of great places as the Prudentialist.

00:53:11.440 I am also will be live later this evening.

00:53:14.420 I host a wonderful little podcast called The Digital Archipelago.

00:53:16.880 We will be talking about the late, great Cormac McCarthy later today at 7 p.m. Eastern.

00:53:21.580 But I cover culture, politics and international relations.

00:53:25.700 And Oren and I will be later this month, next week, actually.

00:53:28.720 Tickets are still available speaking at the Sildings event conference.

00:53:31.880 So you can buy your tickets there at sildings.com slash events.

00:53:35.700 And that's who I am and what I do.

00:53:38.520 Excellent, guys.

00:53:39.180 Of course, make sure that you check out everything with the Prudentialist.

00:53:41.820 I will be certainly listening into that Cormac McCarthy stream.

00:53:46.000 Read The Road and Blood Meridian and No Country for Old Men here in the last two years or so.

00:53:54.380 Really enjoyed those.

00:53:55.780 Can't really speak highly enough of those.

00:53:58.040 But all right, let's move over to our questions here real quick.

00:54:03.120 General Grievance here for $5.

00:54:05.500 Can't watch live but still want to support.

00:54:07.880 Well, thank you very much.

00:54:08.640 I really appreciate that.

00:54:09.720 Is there any time frame on the Benevolent Dictator stream with that history whiz you were talking about?

00:54:16.320 So Furious Pertinex is who you're talking about.

00:54:18.300 We did the stream on Caesarism.

00:54:20.860 It won't so much be a stream on benevolent dictatorship, but really on the nature of dictatorships in general.

00:54:26.080 Sometimes they can be benevolent.

00:54:27.660 Sometimes they can be not, you know, they can be horrific.

00:54:30.220 But what we want to do is kind of unpack the concept of dictatorship and remove it from just kind of the lazy application it gets today.

00:54:38.400 It is an office that actually existed with the Romans.

00:54:41.960 It was an official political office.

00:54:44.020 And it's something that they kind of we can go into in depth where I'm rereading Carl Schmitt's book on dictatorship to kind of prepare for that.

00:54:53.600 So I'm not sure when that'll happen, but it definitely will happen.

00:54:56.120 I think it's a very interesting topic.

00:54:57.960 It kind of helped us historically and politically understand the functions that dictators have taken on from time to time, what it meant historically and why kind of the general lazy application today doesn't quite hold.

00:55:09.620 Great username, by the way, that is.

00:55:13.300 Yes, absolutely.

00:55:15.660 Florida Henry here for five dollars.

00:55:17.740 I grew up on a farm and now live in a walkable city.

00:55:20.480 Suburbs feel like the twilight zone just dead inside.

00:55:23.380 Yeah.

00:55:23.600 And like I said, you know, there are reasonable critiques of the suburban construction there.

00:55:30.040 There's there are real things where you can kind of point to like, OK, this isn't healthy parts of suburbs at the end.

00:55:36.540 They really are part of atomization.

00:55:38.840 They were a step in atomization.

00:55:41.240 They do disrupt kind of natural parts of human life.

00:55:45.540 Those are all reasonable critiques.

00:55:47.500 Some of them have, you know, they're difficult to kind of kind of work out when it comes to like how you get certain amounts of people living in a certain area or how you actually plan to deliver certain services.

00:56:01.000 But those are fair, fair points.

00:56:03.740 That's kind of why I preface this article with you can make certain critiques of suburbs that are genuine and reasonable.

00:56:10.820 But in this case, they're just going directly with, you know, this is all because people, you know, it's all because people want to destroy trans people.

00:56:20.140 That's the only reason that suburbs exist.

00:56:21.720 And so that's kind of the level at which we were looking at it.

00:56:24.300 Yeah, I mean, there's like I mentioned earlier in today's conversation, like there is a lot of critiques that you can levy against, you know, suburban life.

00:56:32.700 There's a lot of deracinating aspects to it.

00:56:35.180 The culture or your roots are artificially laid down a lot like fake grass and sod.

00:56:41.220 But for this instance, like Orange just said, right, like this is really about the fact that people who don't live in the city, who tend to have conservative opinions when you don't live in, say, like New York or whatever, you know, they oppose this stuff.

00:56:55.580 Ergo, we have to destroy the places they live.

00:56:57.580 We have to we have to have our march through the suburbs like General Sherman did with the sea.

00:57:02.280 Yeah, they're not wrong, as Prudentials pointed out, that the suburbs prevent communism.

00:57:07.280 And just like the Kulaks are a problem, right? 1.00

00:57:09.380 A class that owns a little too much to be entirely dependent on the system, a class that owns a little too much to do, you know, to be able to create some level of independence and do its own thing and not have to completely fall in lockstep with the.

00:57:23.540 Well, that's a problem if we're going to have a completely, you know, kind of communistic, overbearing, centralized government.

00:57:28.720 And and so they, you know, they're just like Kulaks need to be liquidated. 1.00

00:57:32.780 So do the Suburbans need to go.

00:57:34.520 Doesn't mean everything about the suburbs is amazing in and of itself, but it it definitely is a politically motivated need to kind of eliminate the Kulaks as a class. 1.00

00:57:47.360 Creeper Weirdo here for two dollars.

00:57:49.520 Muno Mussolini lived in a suburb.

00:57:51.840 Coincidence.

00:57:52.620 Well, don't give them any more ammo.

00:57:54.420 Yeah.

00:57:54.760 Hitler can breathe in air. 0.99

00:57:56.300 Coincidence.

00:57:56.940 Yes.

00:57:57.140 Remember, drinking water makes you a fascist.

00:58:00.780 Mostly hates.

00:58:01.760 Yeah.

00:58:02.080 A food.

00:58:02.480 Do you like dogs?

00:58:03.920 Hitler liked dogs. 0.72

00:58:04.980 You must also be.

00:58:05.960 Yes.

00:58:06.500 No, you're right.

00:58:07.180 Creeper Weirdo.

00:58:07.660 That is the level of argument that we are getting here in many ways.

00:58:11.940 Thank you for your donations there.

00:58:15.760 Machiavelli.

00:58:16.940 Machiavelli sucks to go.

00:58:18.420 Oh, to go there.

00:58:19.020 OK, very good.

00:58:20.120 Federal Reserve is a debt based scam.

00:58:23.000 The government should issue currency, not bombs.

00:58:25.880 Yeah.

00:58:26.420 Or puns.

00:58:28.160 They issue plenty of bombs.

00:58:29.940 That's how they get to issue the currency.

00:58:31.840 But yeah, no.

00:58:32.860 Hear what you're saying, man.

00:58:33.880 Yeah, no.

00:58:34.540 Many, many people holding very similar opinion.

00:58:38.460 Creeper Weirdo here for five dollars.

00:58:39.840 I'm no capitalist.

00:58:40.720 All my toys have commie symbols on them.

00:58:43.260 Yes.

00:58:43.780 All the all the things mass produced by the capitalists have Che Guevara on them.

00:58:49.620 Therefore, I am a communist.

00:58:51.640 Yeah.

00:58:51.860 What do you mean?

00:58:52.560 I love my Funko Pops and my freshly unfolded transgender flag that I just purchased off Amazon.

00:58:58.020 Tell me that there's a Karl Marx Funko Pop.

00:58:59.860 Oh, absolutely.

00:59:00.460 I'm sure there is somewhere.

00:59:01.620 If not, someone's got a 3D print that they can spend the money to purchase it for.

00:59:05.380 But yeah, I mean, the left has a they're more entrenched with capital than than we are in that respect.

00:59:10.640 And it kind of puts us in a weird political era of realignment.

00:59:14.100 But that's where we're at.

00:59:15.560 The left is a political human centipede.

00:59:17.740 Again, Creeper.

00:59:18.460 Oh, so true.

00:59:19.440 So true.

00:59:20.320 So true.

00:59:22.520 Let's see.

00:59:23.460 Dylan was just annoying and lame.

00:59:25.040 Nashville was an actual attack.

00:59:26.820 More right winners need to talk about that.

00:59:28.280 Yeah.

00:59:28.460 I mean, so this was this was initially my concern.

00:59:31.440 I made this I made this video about like how you could win this stuff.

00:59:35.900 Right.

00:59:36.200 And I said, if you're going to fight this, then here's what you should do.

00:59:40.500 You know, make sure your friends are hired.

00:59:42.200 Your enemies are fired.

00:59:43.320 You know that they give money to your your, you know, patronage network, blah, blah, blah.

00:59:48.480 But kind of during that video, I said, like, this is kind of sad that this is the only way that people feel like they can kind of push back.

00:59:56.740 And because this is the way that people have chosen to push back, it's become more about Bud Light than it is about this shooting.

01:00:04.580 That was a very real and violent and horrific thing that made children its victims that made Christian its victims that was perpetrated kind of along what would seem like ideological lines.

01:00:16.280 We still don't have access to that manifesto.

01:00:19.540 You know, surprise, surprise.

01:00:20.660 You know, so that should have been the focus, but it wasn't that said, you got to take your W's where you can.

01:00:29.980 And I think it is clear that the Bud Light boycotts were a win, at least to some extent that they you know, you the target ones that followed also had a noticeable impact.

01:00:41.820 But they're not complete victories in and of themselves because they don't actually secure you power.

01:00:47.100 And what you should be doing with these popular energies is securing power, which is why they're angry when guys, again, like Chris Ruffo or maybe Matt Walsh or somebody use that popular power to more effective ends, because the left definitely doesn't want to see that.

01:01:01.500 They definitely don't want the right to learn that actually just having the silent majority on your side doesn't do anything.

01:01:08.480 And what you really need is to capture political popular political will in a way that creates lasting change in elite institutions.

01:01:18.080 And so, you know, it would have been best if all of this had been done in the name of slaughtered people. 0.99

01:01:25.240 Right. Like that would have been the correct way to be able to do this.

01:01:29.960 But the fact that the Bud Light thing stuck and the fact that it's a victory and the fact that it might be leveraged to do something that matters, you know, at the end of the day, you just everything's not don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good here.

01:01:42.320 I guess that's what I'm saying.

01:01:43.620 I mean, I agree with that. And I share your very similar concerns.

01:01:46.780 I mean, the whole thing is also being relitigated because the autopsy report just came out and they're calling the the the mortician or the guy that does the autopsy, they call them transphobic for using a a female body on the sketch for all the entry wounds and where they were shot and all that was.

01:02:04.740 And so, I mean, it's indicative of the fact that, yeah, that stuff is, I think, way more important.

01:02:09.020 I mean, six people died, but, you know, you also have to hit them where it hurts, which is their wallets.

01:02:14.240 And I mean, we've gone to war over less in terms of people getting killed.

01:02:18.020 And so I know where you're coming from, Creeper Weirdo. 1.00

01:02:21.920 I share your sentiment.

01:02:22.920 But at the same time, I think that perhaps what could be done is, you know, every time that you boycott or every time that you, you know, hide or let these things go away, you're doing it in their memory.

01:02:36.340 And we should make sure that their memory is commemorated.

01:02:41.140 All right.

01:02:42.420 Laws and Lycurgus for five dollars.

01:02:45.560 Very nice.

01:02:46.060 When liberalism is about becoming a is about becoming a political so merchants and nobles can get rich and we can only discuss 12 topics that are meant to last 70 years.

01:02:59.400 Yeah.

01:02:59.580 So this is this is a reference to Schmitt's kind of concept of the political guys, if you're not familiar.

01:03:05.280 And the fact that, you know, Schmitt's critique is that liberalism basically attempts to remove the friend enemy distinction.

01:03:12.560 By the way, I need to maybe I did a video on the friend enemy distinction that was very short.

01:03:18.800 Might need to do a longer one because a lot of people are throwing it around in ways that don't work.

01:03:22.880 Doesn't make sense.

01:03:24.740 Might need to clarify that concept.

01:03:26.720 But anyway, we can't can't do that right now.

01:03:29.600 Point being, yeah, the the idea with Schmitt is that liberalism kind of artificially tried to remove the political.

01:03:36.980 And because so many things actually are existential, so many of our disagreements are existential.

01:03:43.540 You had to kind of limit the discussion to a very small amount of topics over which you can argue.

01:03:49.240 So there's a reason that like both left and right constantly avoid very particular areas, because if you actually had and acknowledge kind of the existential opposition of certain value sets, certain ways of life, then you might actually have to come to illiberal conclusions about kind of how those ways of life could coexist.

01:04:10.340 And so, you know, liberalism is great for merchants, you know, because they can make a lot more money.

01:04:16.320 It's great for for kind of getting your society to work together and enriching your ruling class.

01:04:21.900 Like you said, the nobles there.

01:04:23.680 But it's not particularly good for kind of recognizing truths about the human condition that you can't escape once you kind of just because you said, well, we're not going to have political anymore.

01:04:34.780 Yeah, you can't escape existential realities in the same way you can't escape biological ones.

01:04:40.400 And I think our good friend Skeptical Waves has concept of the political available for audio on his channel.

01:04:45.280 I would highly recommend that you listen to it.

01:04:46.860 But yeah, many such cases where someone throws around a friend enemy distinction without actually reading Schmidt, unfortunately.

01:04:53.760 Yeah, it's it's I don't want to it's a complicated thing, but I don't want to say it's overcomplicated.

01:04:59.520 I think it's graspable by most people. But the problem is so many people and I you know, I'm I'm probably part of this because I throw memes around like so many people have understood it as a meme that they just kind of make it a shortcut to their explanation of things rather than understanding like the actual point of the friend enemy distinction, which is like there are certain things that, you know, once a group has been othered, then you can't really coexist.

01:05:24.120 And this is how coalitions form. And this is the nature of political disagreements. And that means that certain political disagreements will always leave to particular ends.

01:05:32.700 This is how the total state gets formed. Like those are all things that are inside the concept of the political. It's only like really 70 or 80 pages.

01:05:38.800 So it's well worth your time if you if you want to get around to it. Absolutely. All right, guys.

01:05:43.580 Well, I think that's everything. Like I said, make sure that you check out all of the Prudentialist's really excellent work.

01:05:50.800 I know he's got a stream coming up, so make sure that you're checking that out as well.

01:05:55.120 And of course, if it's your first time here, make sure that you're subscribing to the channel.

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01:06:20.800 Thank you.

The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 16, 2023

The Fascists of Suburbia ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 6⧸16⧸23

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