In this episode, Oren and Warren are joined by The Prudentialist to discuss a ridiculous article from The Nation's Opinions section, "America's Suburbs Are a Breeding Ground for Fascism."
00:05:19.600Oh, absolutely. I mean, there's plenty of things to complain about suburbia,
00:05:22.680but we have to paint the scene so we can tell you that those awful people that don't want to live in the city are,
00:05:28.520you know, it's not it's not your walkable cities, everyone.
00:05:31.280It's it's suburbs. You know that you're in a you're in fascist country now.
00:05:35.600So someone said the sub-rike is rising, which is that's that's good.
00:05:40.140That's a good joke. So and I want to be clear here, guys.
00:05:45.340So there are like legitimate points about the problem of suburbs
00:05:50.660and how they create certain amounts of kind of atomization and deracination.
00:05:55.520There are fair moments of kind of critique about some of these forms of city planning.
00:06:01.620But we'll see that that is not like the interest here is not in creating a more healthy and organic kind of way of social formation.
00:06:09.280The interest here is destroying your enemies, destroying your political enemies.
00:06:12.640And that's going to be kind of the core here.
00:06:14.420So we're not saying that suburbs are like the ultimate and best possible way to organize a city.
00:06:19.980There are legitimate points to be made against certain aspects of that.
00:06:25.000But but you'll see very quickly that those are that's not what's happening here.
00:06:28.060Places like this are the most common form of American life.
00:06:33.280Life as of 2017, 52 percent of Americans live in suburbs.
00:06:38.580There are there are, of course, differences between, say, a suburb in Connecticut and a suburb in Texas.
00:06:43.660But they're all variations on a formula and lives lived in this suburban areas tend to revolve around the same kind of places and the same kind of ideology.
00:06:55.660Again, kind of got to give the left credit here.
00:06:58.700They're willing to look at kind of structural issues in a way that much of the right is not.
00:07:03.480They know what they hate and they know what protects it or what allows it to flourish.
00:07:07.520And so their point is that the very existence of this type of housing kind of confounds the leftist project, allows people who disagree with the leftist project to live in a particular way that allows the perpetuation of their values.
00:07:24.900I mean, it kind of reminds me of what Nick Land would say in like the Dark Enlightenment, you know, that exit is the ultimate form of escape.
00:07:31.240And then for the left, they don't want you to have exits.
00:07:33.500So if the suburbs are an exit from, you know, urban crime and the various issues of governance, taxation, poor living standards, you can't walk anywhere without getting mugged, then, yeah, that's an exit to them and they need to close it off somehow.
00:07:54.380Always got to be somebody we can punch.
00:07:55.720Always got to be, you know, the left is always and everywhere normalizing the idea of acceptable political and state violence against its opponents.
00:08:08.840And yeah, it's, you know, that's another really good point is, of course, a lot of these suburbs are, you know, grow out of a need to escape certain aspects of leftist policy in cities.
00:08:19.840And so the whole point is, again, to cut off any opportunity, even if it arose directly from reactions to leftist policies, for anyone to escape this, to live any kind of life that isn't completely consumed and ruled by kind of these progressive ideologies.
00:08:37.260And so it makes sense that these are now places where fascism grows, quite the whiplash there.
00:08:44.980I see you have Walmarts and and roads without sidewalks must be fascism.
00:08:53.440The suburbs were invented as reactionary tools against the women's liberation and civil rights movements.
00:09:01.200That's a very interesting thing to say about the civil rights movement and the women's liberation movement.
00:09:05.700Both of them make it impossible to have suburbs, probably something that the right should think about there.
00:09:12.340The U.S. government, in concert with banks, landowners and home builders, created a way to try and stop all that by separating people into single homes, moving public spaces, ensuring that every neighborhood was segregated via redlining.
00:09:29.800So here's a really interesting contradiction that I want to stop and talk about for just a second here, Prudentialist.
00:09:36.380Would you say that the U.S. government has been working actively against women's liberation and civil rights?
00:09:43.720Is that that been the the stance of the U.S. government for the last, you know, 40 some odd years?
00:09:48.380No, I mean, this is the Howard Zinn's baby's first understanding of progressive U.S. history.
00:09:54.120Really, if anything, what it has been for people escaping to the suburbs or what often gets pejoratively labeled as white flight is people trying to escape the, you know, concert and balance of this coordinated effort between government banks and media to ensure that you can't escape integration.
00:10:13.560You can't escape the all-consuming aspects of the Civil Rights Act or women's liberation.
00:10:18.000I mean, there's a great tweet, and I wish I knew who said it, where he had said that really, at this point, for a lot of Americans that oppose the left, your whole goal in life is this rat race to being able to have enough money in order to escape the consequences of the Civil Rights Act.
00:10:32.000And I think that you definitely see this here where it's like, oh, these people have escaped this progressive hellhole that we've invented in cities like Detroit or Los Angeles or New York City.
00:10:41.980So clearly we have to crush these fascists that escape the the woodworks.
00:10:46.200It's just funny that they've kind of backwards in backwards engineered the story where the U.S. government was like really opposed to all these movements instead of, you know, actively structuring the society around them and making them integral to kind of every aspect of of kind of our larger massified government.
00:11:05.120And so it's it's I understand that they still have to play the victim here that they still but but it's just funny to me that they can't even keep like a basic historical narrative of this together.
00:11:18.800Like they would still, I'm sure, say that, like, this is something that is ongoing with banks, even though BlackRock and Merrill Lynch and all these people like 100 percent agree with them on everything.
00:11:29.500I mean, Wells Fargo literally had changed their philanthropy goals from like education, health care to more explicitly housing for low income individuals and minorities.
00:11:40.620So, no, I mean, this is the funny thing.
00:11:42.740Like if the U.S. government was really in concert with like maintaining this aura of white supremacy or fascism or whatever, right, like I'd imagine that, you know, Eisenhower and Kennedy and LBJ would be siding with Governor Wallace.
00:11:55.960So we wouldn't have the National Guard federalized with bayonets telling people to do whatever they need to do to force integration.
00:12:02.560But no, what's really important with this is that if they had only one strict dogma for how their historical narrative would apply, it would make a lot of common conservative critiques of like, well, that's hypocrisy or that's a contradiction.
00:12:17.140That would work a lot more effectively.
00:12:18.740But by having these sort of ability to be amorphous with your history, with your political narratives, it allows you to always be on the back foot in order to change your position and shift.
00:12:30.040So, you know, in this instance, we're witnessing the article, you know, say that the U.S. government was the big, bad, evil guy, which allows them to stay in that motion of perpetual revolution, despite the fact that really the last 70 years of U.S. history has been a leftist, you know, form of narrative, a leftist government working to achieve leftist ends, not by the will of the people or the consent of the governed as the founders would have wanted, but by judicial and executive fiat, regardless of public opinion.
00:12:56.520But having that amorphous political, historical narrative allows them at any time to sort of dodge critiques of hypocrisy or contradiction.
00:13:05.440Yeah, I found this very interesting because I taught history, right?
00:13:09.500And it is really important for people now to never learn history chronologically.
00:13:16.480If you sit down in a current history environment, people learn McNuggets of history.
00:13:23.620They never learn actual sequences of history, which is very interesting because that allows people to kind of basically what happens is you get told moral narratives in the guise of historical events, but you can't place them in any context.
00:13:40.120So you have no understanding of what came before or what came after or how one thing led to another.
00:13:46.780All you have is like, well, someone had to sit on the wrong seat of the bus or, you know, something like this.
00:13:52.080And you just pull that out and you say, well, this is bad and we know this is bad now.
00:13:55.920And then you just put it back into history and you never really think about any of these things being connected to each other.
00:14:05.360Of course, we all know that the Orwellian quote is now just trampled to death.
00:14:11.880But the control of the past really does matter because especially not just the events of the past, but the way people are allowed to think about the past.
00:14:20.500Because you can kind of completely remove pattern recognition or consequential, you know, you can remove any of those those actual attachments, causal attachments from different events.
00:14:31.960And you can just treat each event as a way to kind of reinforce your ideology.
00:14:37.800It only teaches you the lesson it's supposed to, but you never it's like how a lot of people do with the Bible, right?
00:14:43.800They just grab random verses that currently agree with the thing that they're trying to teach you, but their no's verses are never placed in any kind of wider context or understanding of scripture where you can get a more holistic understanding of kind of how this thing hangs together.
00:14:58.960I mean, like you said, the Orwell quotes trampled to death.
00:15:02.400And it's like what Steve Saylor said, that political correctness or, I guess, in this instance, wokeness or leftism is just a war on pattern recognition.
00:15:25.280The suburbs would keep white women at home, God forbid, and would keep white men at work to afford the home.
00:15:34.260These were explicit goals of the designers.
00:15:36.640No man who owns his house and lot can be communist and the creator of, the creator of Levantown, the model suburb said, he has too much to do.
00:15:47.640So interestingly, the left or is, you'll notice the phrasing here, keep white women at home.
00:15:56.040So large corporations love that women aren't at home, right?
00:16:13.240Like evil capitalists who want to make as much money as possible and pay the smallest amount for labor possible want women at work because it creates cheaper labor for them.
00:16:24.360It creates a workforce that is more likely not to have a high level of conflict, and it also creates additional demand for services because now all of the things that once fell under kind of the traditional role of work for women at home suddenly becomes something you can hire someone to do or you can create a machine to do or you can get a subscription service for.
00:16:46.340These are all economic opportunities that are created for capitalism by women working.
00:16:53.240But these people who are trying to attack bankers, trying to attack capitalists, trying to attack this stuff, say that actually all of these evil people who care about nothing more than money are doing this thing that would make sure that they didn't make more money.
00:17:07.980Yeah, I mean, the left kind of, again, contradictions is what allows the left to springboard and dodge any sort of major criticism and critique.
00:17:15.820But, I mean, it does illustrate, I think, a big part of what the left really is.
00:17:20.620But, you know, you hear that phrase quite often that the woke are more correct than the mainstream.
00:17:24.540I mean, the woke are more in love with capital than the right is in a lot of respects.
00:17:28.480They're more hyper-capitalist than anyone else because, you know, the things that move their march of progress are things that ordinary people don't actually want.
00:17:36.740But, you know, when you have the ability to cancel bank accounts, change things by managerial or bureaucratic fiat, whether that be in banks or within the executive branch of government, then, yeah, you're going to work hand in hand with it.
00:17:49.320It's many people will tell you that, you know, anytime you hear like a leftist complaint, like, yeah, I'm punk.
00:17:56.960You know, I'm pro-trans rights or whatever.
00:17:58.480And it's just like, so you're on the same side as BlackRock, the U.S. government, Wells Fargo, all these other large major banks and institutions.
00:18:05.220They're more in bed with capital than the right is.
00:18:07.900Yeah, it's certainly a situation where, again, like we said, once you can just pull these different aspects of history, you can just ignore any kind of actual connections or any kind of real context.
00:18:19.460Then you get to form this narrative where you remain the victim, even though it's very clear that you are aligned with many of these institutions.
00:18:26.740I mean, that creator of Levittown does have a very good point, though.
00:18:29.620Like, if you own private property and have a job, you're not going to be a communist.
00:18:32.880Like, all this communal housing, all these public works projects, all this, like, little renting America.
00:18:38.740I mean, if you don't own anything, right, like there's no skin in the game.
00:18:41.140Of course, I'm going to be angry and be more concerned about the bourgeoisie or the landowners and the rentiers and landlords.
00:19:24.120The reason Target has become the locus of today's particular right-wing backlash is the same reason countless viral TikToks attempt to convince women that they're at risk of being kidnapped every time they're in a parking lot.
00:20:04.680It's the reason why true crime is one of the most popular podcast genres in America and why many refuse to travel with a gun by their side and shoot people if they set foot in the driveway.
00:21:55.800Well, so it's really interesting here.
00:21:59.820They're going to argue – the argument here is that suburbs are kind of – are forcing uniformity here, right?
00:22:06.040That's kind of what they're trying to say is that suburbs force uniformity and therefore, like, they have a violent reaction to anything that's out of place or spontaneous.
00:22:17.660But, of course, this is exactly the reaction we get from over-socialized leftists in major metropolitan areas who lose their absolute mind the minute that anyone steps out of line in their company, tells an off-color joke, has any opinion outside of kind of their entirely pre-approved thing.
00:22:39.020And this level of uniformity exists in a high degree inside pretty much every leftist institution.
00:22:46.660And they're the ones that have an absolute fit anytime anyone kind of steps out of line with these things.
00:22:54.720But they're trying to make the suburbs the place where any of this kind of freedom would happen.
00:23:00.520Though, in my experience, you know, suburbs are the place where your kids can play outside.
00:23:05.420Suburbs are the places where you can suddenly start a cookout with, you know, people – hey, I'm cooking some burgers.
00:23:11.880You know, people just walk down your road.
00:23:13.420All of a sudden, a bunch of people are all sitting around, lighting off fireworks, talking to each other.
00:23:18.480It's the place where, like, natural organic community happens.
00:23:21.860Those are the places where you have more spontaneity, not these places that are completely micromanaged by progressive leftist commissars.
00:23:31.040Well, I think that you can actually reduce that down one step further.
00:23:35.260What that really is is that he's complaining that there's homogeneity.
00:23:40.200There's homogeneity in the cities because there's a dominant liberal mindset.
00:23:43.300There's a homogeneity in liberal institutions because everyone has to agree to the same things and prostrate themselves before the same shibboleths and icons of people that they, you know, may or may not agree with.
00:23:54.180But because they're leftists, they have to.
00:23:55.920I mean, it's the same thing with the suburbs.
00:23:57.280Like, everyone is out there to either not deal with the city, to escape the cost of living.
00:24:02.100They're probably wanting to keep their families and neighborhoods safe.
00:24:07.400So, I mean, you have this relative homogeneity both on either ideological or racial lines.
00:24:12.240And so, you know, the city, seeing these people as a perceived threat, because we all share the same country, you know, I can live in the suburbs and, you know, say, like, out in the Catskills or whatever, right?
00:24:23.740And I still have to be beholden to the politics in New York City.
00:24:27.160And so, yeah, I may have a homogenous little suburban neighborhood outside of, you know, Manhattan or whatever.
00:24:32.780But it doesn't matter because Manhattan also has a homogenous liberal mindset and they see me as a threat.
00:24:38.040And this is what we're seeing time and time again is a mix of the sort of friend-enemy distinction at play here, but also, well, what's the middle class?
00:24:49.340It's the people that can afford to maybe not live in the city but can't afford to live in the country because they have their jobs tied to the city.
00:24:56.900And so that high-low versus middle is coming to play again in those evil, evil fascists.
00:25:02.360So the guys in the middle and in suburbs flipping their burgers, wanting their kids to not get transed.
00:25:08.820Ah, you know, first you want a grill, next you have a funny mustache in your painting.
00:25:16.480No one on the stream has a mustache, I want to be clear.
00:25:18.760It is, of course, true that these mass hysterias are part of an organized right-wing movement that is attacking human rights across the country through legislation banning abortion, gender affirmation, care, and books making it illegal for educators to teach American history accurately.
00:25:38.760So this is a neat little package here, right?
00:25:40.700First, obviously, the left is furious that anyone on the right figures out how this works.
00:25:50.920The left organizes all of its activist movements.
00:25:58.780And the things that we often think of as completely bottom-up grassroots movements are engineered by the left very specifically.
00:26:08.580And some on the right have started to figure out that, actually, this is why the left wins constantly, and maybe we should do some of this.
00:26:16.100Now, to be clear, the left has been pushing very particularly on the trans issue.
00:26:21.740And this has caused a, I think, pretty organic right-wing backlash, one that is actually grassroots to some extent.
00:26:29.280But for once, guys like Chris Rufo and Matt Walsh and other people realized, like, hey, we got this popular energy.
00:26:36.160Like, what if we, instead of just complaining about how the left has gone crazy and it's all hypocrisy, what if we went out there and we secured a policy change?
00:26:45.660What if we got out there and we took a corporate scout for doing this stuff?
00:26:50.000Like, what if we did something that made people stop and say, oh, like, we can win something here.
00:26:56.640And people will change their behavior based on, like, what we do.
00:27:00.860And so now that the left has figured this out, or rather now that some parts of the right have figured this out, the left is terrified, right?
00:27:07.100All of a sudden, there are no right-wing organic movements, right?
00:27:11.640And to be fair, this is both sides play this, right?
00:27:15.340Anytime it's my politics, it's the politics of the people, it's the popular position.
00:27:19.500Anytime it's your politics, it's the politics of a small minority of people who are radical and manipulating things behind the scenes.
00:27:26.480When the truth is, all politics is operated by elites.
00:27:31.600All politics that's going to long-term hold success is driven by small groups who are organized, the organized minority.
00:27:40.420And so on either side, if you want to win, you have to do this stuff.
00:27:44.680And, of course, they tie it to, like, all of their other issues.
00:27:47.860Every one of these things is connected.
00:27:49.180So if you ever cared at any point, if you're a woman who's big on, like, abortion rights or if you're someone who was worried about, like, I guess, education, about American history, then you have to feel exactly the same way about trans rights.
00:28:06.040It all has to be one inseparable thing so that the political coalition is basically one giant suicide pact based around this new minority that is pushing more and more extreme things onto the American population.
00:28:20.500Yep, but, I mean, there's a nugget of truth into that because it's the small, organized minority that gets things done.
00:28:26.800And, again, like, you see this on the right as well.
00:28:29.860Like, once there's beginning inklings of organization, you do get the usual gatekeepers telling you that this is a bad thing, that we shouldn't wield power.
00:28:38.840But the same people that tell you that we shouldn't wield power are totally okay with you getting, you know, dealing with crime and the ongoing, you know, eunuch cult that we're dealing with when it comes to, like, transgender kids.
00:28:50.420So, I mean, really what this illustrates to me is that, you know, oh, man, these people are learning how the game gets played.
00:28:57.520I mean, better late than never, but it does illustrate that this is the kind of battle we're in, is who can organize, who can fund, and who can, you know, bring bodies to protests and things like that.
00:29:08.040And those things have a tendency to escalate, and this is what this article is all about, is, you know, we've got to eradicate the suburbanites.
00:29:14.400I love the new guy on the block, the new Republican on the block, or who's really kind of a very old Republican, I guess, but the guy who's like, I can't believe that there are right-wingers who want to use government power to stop their enemies.
00:29:29.100I can't believe there are right-wingers talking about using the government power.
00:29:34.080Oh, okay, how much are we sending to Ukraine?
00:29:37.120Oh, as many trillions of dollars as they want.
00:29:39.460Absolutely, every single one, tax, bleed everybody dry until we have every last dollar we need to throw at a foreign country through our arms manufacturers.
00:29:49.320Like, same guy, within 10 seconds of each other.
00:29:53.500Exactly, you know, just, that's the logic.
00:30:08.340But the shape this movement has taken is not coincidental, is in fact a product of a unique shape of American public, or a unique shape of public life in America, or lack thereof.
00:30:20.180Suburbanites do not have town squares in which they protest.
00:30:23.160See, that's the main function of town squares.
00:30:56.760Turns out the purpose of every social institution is revolution.
00:31:00.400Target has become the closest thing many have to a public forum.
00:31:04.540I mean, it kind of reminds me of what, like, Thomas Marcus writes in Buildings and Power about, like, city architecture in comparison to, say, like, suburbia.
00:31:15.200Wherein, you know, if you're concerned about controlling people or organizing power, you want your architecture to have, like, a town square or a city hall or a wide open walkable space where there can be bodies to protest and have a central point where they can all flood into.
00:31:33.080I mean, you might have a city hall or, like, the school board or whatever.
00:31:37.120But, again, if you're in a place where there aren't a lot of walkable areas, then what do we see?
00:31:42.040Well, we see the same thing during 2020 with Black Lives Matter protesters.
00:31:46.840They'll just lay down in front of the highway so you can't go home from your job back to the suburbs because that's where they recognize that that's their only avenue to block things is with regards to city planning, zoning, and architecture.
00:31:59.600And so, yeah, I mean, it's all about protest to them because their only sacral, you know, their only sacred thing to them is the protest.
00:32:08.020Everything else has been desacralized.
00:32:10.380Well, you have to do the Napoleon thing where you make the streets wide enough for a division to march through.
00:32:13.920Like, all of them have to be standardized there.
00:32:48.340Anyway, instead, it may be that suburbanism itself is an ideology, breeds reactionary thinking, and turns Americans into people constantly scared of a big, bad other.
00:33:00.580They're actually like, well, there's like, maybe politics isn't entirely based on race, which is kind of, you know, from their position is a very funny thing.
00:33:08.880Yeah, I have to chuckle because that last sentence is one of those, like, woke is more correct than the mainstream type bits here because why do people escape to cities, you know, because the leftist policies typically run them into the ground.
00:33:26.080And so there's, yeah, of course suburbanism is going to breed a reactionary thinking.
00:33:50.220I can't wait for the city to come in and ruin that ability.
00:33:53.240But I wonder if their commentary about more diverse than ever has to tie into that, like, lovely multiracial whiteness that they've been going on about since 2020.
00:34:46.360That private space serves only as a place of commodity exchange.
00:34:50.940That surveillance, hyper-individualism, and constant vigilance are good and normal and keep people safe.
00:34:56.860Again, you're going to get way more surveillance, or at least as much surveillance, in a city.
00:35:02.940So a lot of this stuff can just be directly ported over, you know, to leftist urban environments.
00:35:10.140You're certainly getting a lot of hyper-individualization in those areas.
00:35:13.280It's not like people have deep roots in a lot of these cities that they're desperately fleeing because they've become incredibly dirty and unsafe.
00:35:21.700I mean, people don't have deep roots in suburbs either.
00:35:29.080Like, oh, I'm in this cookie-cutter suburb that I...
00:35:31.620Like, it's almost as if everyone kind of forgets the, like, progressive lefty, like, musical counterculture of, like, Bowling for Soup or Green Day, complaining about how crappy the suburbs are.
00:35:42.320Because there's no place to really exist or to be me.
00:35:45.700But, I mean, like, in this age of digital communication, right, like, we've achieved this great fragmentation of identity.
00:35:52.280Like, Marshall McLuhan was talking about this, like, back in the, like, 50s or 60s of the Gutenberg galaxy.
00:35:57.920He was just like, look, the television visual medium will die and we will have this electronic interdependence to where now we live in this, like, global homogenizing village where it doesn't matter that someone like me who lives out in the country where kids can, like, literally ride their horses to, like, go to the local park or to go to high school.
00:36:16.540If they're still speaking in the same sort of, like, Zoomer, TikTok, you know, gesticulation type of language.
00:36:23.200And so, I mean, cities and suburbs have become really hyper-individualistic, but they've also been, like, really flattened, sort of like Kierkegaard's concept of the leveling.
00:36:33.740It's all sort of the same homogenizing force, but in the suburbs, the homogenizing force is that, well, we have some sort of desire to not be like them, the city, the area of crime, the area in which there has been this atomization of private property, of law and order.
00:36:51.400And then if I do something that, you know, 20 years ago would have been seen as something worth, you know, applauding and getting the key to the city, now it gets you arrested by a progressive district attorney whose campaign was funded by, like, the Soros's.
00:37:05.620And so, for them, on the, say, the suburban side or the progressive side or urban side in the progressives, all that you're seeing now is that, well, these guys aren't like us.
00:37:13.580And that's clearly a problem because we have to homogenize them into this progressive anarcho-tyrannical state where if you speak up, that's the case.
00:37:21.940And I'm surprised that they haven't leaned too much into the racial element by that for reasons I really don't know as to why this article doesn't.
00:37:29.440But, I mean, consider the fact that, you know, white guy Daniel Perry or Penny, the gentleman from New York City who, you know, tried to take care of a crazy person in a chokehold who unfortunately passed away.
00:37:40.160And I don't think it was related to the chokehold but with drugs.
00:37:42.720And now all of a sudden, you know, he's arrested for doing something that was in his home.
00:38:54.840And it makes it impossible for people to live in those societies.
00:38:58.760And then as soon as they try to escape anywhere else, then, you know, they're just agents of fascism.
00:39:04.000Yeah, and, I mean, that's the really big divide here.
00:39:07.020I'm glad that you kind of chimed in there because I think it helps trying to get to where I was going.
00:39:10.840Because in a large urban area where it's more concentrated, it's more progressive, anarcho-tyranny works because there's not a large enough collective for people to say no or to protest.
00:39:22.700Whereas in the suburbs, there are enough people that share your opinions that if you were to defend yourself and you were to, say, you know, take the life of someone trying to rob you, you probably have more than enough people that have your back.
00:39:37.380And even then, it's not a guarantee nowadays, as we've seen in the past.
00:39:40.640Because, again, the Internet makes it accessible for anyone to see.
00:39:44.340So it doesn't matter if you live out in the middle of nowhere like I do.
00:39:46.740Like, if I were, unfortunately, in a self-defense situation, not to rip off Sam Hyde there, but, like, you know, and I had to take the life of somebody who was trying to rob me and he happened to be black, it doesn't matter.
00:39:57.740There's an army of urban leftists that are ready to come invade my little country estate to make sure that I'm properly prosecuted or something like that.
00:40:05.660That's the nature of this kind of conflict.
00:40:07.320It really has been, as, you know, this article's author has correctly identified it's existential for them because apparently we're fascists.
00:40:14.600Well, and, you know, it's funny because, of course, they're complaining about the organization of the right.
00:40:19.780Oh, you know, they're artificially producing this stuff.
00:40:21.900They're top-down manipulations and creating these movements.
00:40:25.740But, of course, the thing you're talking about, the phenomenon you're talking about there, is exactly one created by the left from the top down to bus large armies of protesters into small suburban areas if there's any kind of shooting they can exploit.
00:40:42.640You know, Kenosha, Wisconsin probably wasn't the most crazy urban environment.
00:40:49.440So, even if you do manage to get yourself outside of these areas, yeah, like you said, you're just in a situation where the left will bring the problem to you.
00:40:57.920And so, again, the point is to always eliminate any area of safety.
00:41:02.400You're never allowed to have any of this stuff.
00:41:04.280You're never allowed to be anything but lockstep with the progressive movement.
00:41:08.040And in any attempt to move outside of it or escape it, you will be chased down.
00:41:12.740There's just, you know, the side that wants to win is going to beat the people who want to be left alone.
00:41:16.920Yeah, and I want the audience at home to think about that and then consider immigration.
00:41:29.340Even cities, as Sarah Schulman writes in The Gentrification of the Mind, have become places where people expect convenience and calmness over culture and community.
00:41:38.640What is a life of living in a surveilled and amenity-filled high-rise and ordering all of your food and objects from the internet to your door, if not a suburban life?
00:41:53.080So, yeah, we can just kind of reverse engineer our argument here, right?
00:41:57.160The problem is that our cities are too much like suburbs.
00:42:00.680It's not that our, you know, ruling affluent class created a bunch of problems so that they could obtain more power and then use their affluence to completely block off any of the consequences of those decisions.
00:42:14.720We have to completely decouple any kind of consequences.
00:42:17.740The only thing they're trying to evolve is culture and community.
00:42:20.780What does culture and community mean in this sentence?
00:43:31.360Parents have been targeted by the FBI if they disagree with their children being forced to be groomed by American educational institutions.
00:43:42.820If they don't want radical gender ideology forced under their children, they are threatened by state security apparatus.
00:43:50.740We had a guy who was protesting the aggressive rape of his child, his daughter, in a school bathroom, arrested just because he disagreed with the school board.
00:44:04.000He was pulled out and arrested for this reason.
00:44:08.260Then we had a shooter in Nashville, following trans ideology, kill six people, three of them children, at a Christian school.
00:44:24.760And right after that, immediately after that, it was not, oh, we feel a lot of remorse for the Christian community.
00:44:31.840We feel really bad for the people who went to the school.
00:44:34.580We're going to do a lot of donations for these people.
00:44:36.780Well, instead, every single institution from the federal government, Joe Biden, the White House, down to these corporations, down to celebrities like Madonna, said, oh, we're on the side of the trans shooter.
00:45:00.200This is what actually started the boycott thing, at least to some extent.
00:45:04.000This is the context in which then these really aggressive pride celebrations became offensive because this person had murdered six people, had murdered children, had murdered Christians, and everyone sided with the cause of the shooter.
00:45:24.460On top of that, there was another trans shooter who was stopped.
00:45:29.080Again, we don't talk about this anymore, that this person just disappeared from the news.
00:45:32.620There was another one that was stopped that was planning to target a middle school and multiple churches.
00:45:37.780So we very well could have had dozens of dead children or Christians across the nation from this ideology.
00:45:48.480When we had the target incident, after the protests, where are the threats coming from?
00:45:55.800The bomb threats towards these targets, all the news agencies shifted the headline to try to make it look like these were just coming from people who opposed the Pride Month or whatever who are for the target boycott.
00:46:20.240So to be really clear, every step of the way of this, the violence, the direct terrorism, the direct acts of state persecution have come from the left, have come under the justification of advancing radical gender ideology, trans ideology, especially when it comes to children.
00:46:43.120But when we get the sentence here, the anti-trans panic, if it's something completely manufactured, it came out of nowhere, has no connection to reality.
00:47:08.600And actually, not only is that it's artificially manufactured by evil fascists, these kulaks living in their suburbs, their suburbs, they're eventually going to go out and just like slaughter all these trans people.
00:47:20.020And so, like, we've got to get rid of them first.
00:47:22.140Like, it's very clearly the tone of this piece.
00:47:24.700It's very clearly what they're trying to say.
00:47:26.020If we don't eradicate these people's way of life, then they're going to get rid of us.
00:47:47.160And I think that, you know, we talk about chronology.
00:47:49.800And I think that it's important to kind of contextualize that, you know, we're less than 10 years out from Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015.
00:48:00.480And from, you know, love is love, which of course isn't, you know, here we are now where, you know, LGBT crowds and lobbies are threatening to bomb targets and other convenience stores that kowtow to regular people.
00:48:18.840Not diehard right-wingers, not people that are, you know, shaving their mustache a certain way.
00:48:24.860Individuals that don't want their children to be exposed to deranged satanic artists.
00:48:31.980The creator behind those is a literal Satanist, you know, who has shirts and things that say, you know, Satan respects your pronouns.
00:48:38.860Believe it or not, Satan does respect your pronouns, so he can get you into hell.
00:48:41.400But outside of just the religious aspect of this, too, this, you know, pull that thread a little, go back even further in time.
00:48:47.920You've got, you know, individuals like Harry Hay, you know, that Nambla walks with him at gay pride parades.
00:48:53.080You know, a national pederistic association, you know, that's what he walks with.
00:48:58.420And they can't help but tell on themselves when it comes to this.
00:49:01.080Because, you know, when they do have those choirs saying that we're coming after your kids, it's the same thing that they were saying 15, 60 years ago when these movements were just starting.
00:49:09.020And when people say no to it, and you can't proselytize it, you can't abuse or expose these children to it, you're absolutely right.
00:49:15.940It is existential for these sort of groups.
00:49:18.160Because when you say no to it, and you stop proselytizing it, people have a tendency to not believe it.
00:49:23.820Just a month and a half ago, Oren and myself and Logan Clark Hall from New Founding, we had an episode together.
00:49:29.980And we were talking about how one in five Gen Z Americans identify as some kind of LGBT identity.
00:49:35.240It doesn't matter if they actually practice those acts or not.
00:49:41.120They have to enculturate these people to assume that it's acceptable.
00:49:45.000If you can have that sort of cultivation going on within the young, it's the same thing that every Leninist, every Marxist, every socialist has ever said.
00:49:53.560Give me a generation of kids, and they will turn you into the gulags, you know, within just 15 to 20 years.
00:50:01.100I mean, we already saw this with other political issues, whether it be parents reporting or children reporting on their parents for attending an electoral justice protest on January 6th, 2021.
00:50:12.520You don't want your children to be on, you know, testosterone or HRT or to get a double mastectomy or whatever.
00:50:18.840Well, you'll see states like California propose some sort of, quote unquote, underground railroad.
00:50:23.420Because for the left, the cultural mythology is the solid march of a never-ending revolution until everyone is atomized, everyone can't breed.
00:50:33.540You know, what's that C.S. Lewis line?
00:50:35.140We castrate the geldings and then bid them to be fruitful.
00:50:38.820And the only way that this sort of leftist ideology can be fruitful is if it is in every aspect of the public space 24-7.
00:50:45.160I mean, Glenn Youngkin only got elected because he started focusing on the cultural issues of what happened in that school in Loudoun County, Virginia, where that child was assaulted by a trans person or a trans student, which just happens to be a boy assaulting girls.
00:51:00.340And so, again, what this article is doing is illustrating that there is a state of emergency for this particular political bent.
00:51:08.100And when there's a state of emergency, powers that be will decide a state of exception, and that's when you start targeting people that you disagree with.
00:51:15.320And this sort of targeting has been going on for a very long time.
00:51:19.320You have the legal superstructure for it, as we saw with the Bostock County case in 2020, where actually, yes, transgender discrimination isn't valid, and it is illegal under the Civil Rights Act and its preceding amendments.
00:51:32.820You do live under a legal superstructure that if there are protected groups, there is little to nothing that you can do about it.
00:51:39.660And right now, what people still can do is try and move away and vote with their wallet and ask these brands to not put it on there.
00:51:47.220And by even simply asking, hey, Target, I don't want this crap for my kids, that's considered to be an existential genocidal crisis for them.
00:52:14.160Yeah, please read Anti-Fascism, Course for Crusade by Paul Gottfried, because it really does explain this in much better detail than I just gave in a five, you know, 30 second rant.
00:52:25.660But yeah, it is amazing how well that argument kind of holds together and how prescient it has been when we now, when we kind of saw everyone transition from, oh, you know, everyone who disagrees with left is racist to everyone is actually a fascist.
00:52:41.800And all of a sudden it turns out that you need to eliminate the places where fascists live, because that's certainly not rhetoric that's ever gone wrong ever in history.
00:54:44.020And it's something that they kind of we can go into in depth where I'm rereading Carl Schmitt's book on dictatorship to kind of prepare for that.
00:54:53.600So I'm not sure when that'll happen, but it definitely will happen.
00:54:56.120I think it's a very interesting topic.
00:54:57.960It kind of helped us historically and politically understand the functions that dictators have taken on from time to time, what it meant historically and why kind of the general lazy application today doesn't quite hold.
00:55:47.500Some of them have, you know, they're difficult to kind of kind of work out when it comes to like how you get certain amounts of people living in a certain area or how you actually plan to deliver certain services.
00:56:03.740That's kind of why I preface this article with you can make certain critiques of suburbs that are genuine and reasonable.
00:56:10.820But in this case, they're just going directly with, you know, this is all because people, you know, it's all because people want to destroy trans people.
00:56:20.140That's the only reason that suburbs exist.
00:56:21.720And so that's kind of the level at which we were looking at it.
00:56:24.300Yeah, I mean, there's like I mentioned earlier in today's conversation, like there is a lot of critiques that you can levy against, you know, suburban life.
00:56:32.700There's a lot of deracinating aspects to it.
00:56:35.180The culture or your roots are artificially laid down a lot like fake grass and sod.
00:56:41.220But for this instance, like Orange just said, right, like this is really about the fact that people who don't live in the city, who tend to have conservative opinions when you don't live in, say, like New York or whatever, you know, they oppose this stuff.
00:56:55.580Ergo, we have to destroy the places they live.
00:56:57.580We have to we have to have our march through the suburbs like General Sherman did with the sea.
00:57:02.280Yeah, they're not wrong, as Prudentials pointed out, that the suburbs prevent communism.
00:57:07.280And just like the Kulaks are a problem, right?
00:57:09.380A class that owns a little too much to be entirely dependent on the system, a class that owns a little too much to do, you know, to be able to create some level of independence and do its own thing and not have to completely fall in lockstep with the.
00:57:23.540Well, that's a problem if we're going to have a completely, you know, kind of communistic, overbearing, centralized government.
00:57:28.720And and so they, you know, they're just like Kulaks need to be liquidated.
00:57:34.520Doesn't mean everything about the suburbs is amazing in and of itself, but it it definitely is a politically motivated need to kind of eliminate the Kulaks as a class.
00:59:43.320You know that they give money to your your, you know, patronage network, blah, blah, blah.
00:59:48.480But kind of during that video, I said, like, this is kind of sad that this is the only way that people feel like they can kind of push back.
00:59:56.740And because this is the way that people have chosen to push back, it's become more about Bud Light than it is about this shooting.
01:00:04.580That was a very real and violent and horrific thing that made children its victims that made Christian its victims that was perpetrated kind of along what would seem like ideological lines.
01:00:16.280We still don't have access to that manifesto.
01:00:20.660You know, so that should have been the focus, but it wasn't that said, you got to take your W's where you can.
01:00:29.980And I think it is clear that the Bud Light boycotts were a win, at least to some extent that they you know, you the target ones that followed also had a noticeable impact.
01:00:41.820But they're not complete victories in and of themselves because they don't actually secure you power.
01:00:47.100And what you should be doing with these popular energies is securing power, which is why they're angry when guys, again, like Chris Ruffo or maybe Matt Walsh or somebody use that popular power to more effective ends, because the left definitely doesn't want to see that.
01:01:01.500They definitely don't want the right to learn that actually just having the silent majority on your side doesn't do anything.
01:01:08.480And what you really need is to capture political popular political will in a way that creates lasting change in elite institutions.
01:01:18.080And so, you know, it would have been best if all of this had been done in the name of slaughtered people.
01:01:25.240Right. Like that would have been the correct way to be able to do this.
01:01:29.960But the fact that the Bud Light thing stuck and the fact that it's a victory and the fact that it might be leveraged to do something that matters, you know, at the end of the day, you just everything's not don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good here.
01:01:43.620I mean, I agree with that. And I share your very similar concerns.
01:01:46.780I mean, the whole thing is also being relitigated because the autopsy report just came out and they're calling the the the mortician or the guy that does the autopsy, they call them transphobic for using a a female body on the sketch for all the entry wounds and where they were shot and all that was.
01:02:04.740And so, I mean, it's indicative of the fact that, yeah, that stuff is, I think, way more important.
01:02:09.020I mean, six people died, but, you know, you also have to hit them where it hurts, which is their wallets.
01:02:14.240And I mean, we've gone to war over less in terms of people getting killed.
01:02:18.020And so I know where you're coming from, Creeper Weirdo.
01:02:22.920But at the same time, I think that perhaps what could be done is, you know, every time that you boycott or every time that you, you know, hide or let these things go away, you're doing it in their memory.
01:02:36.340And we should make sure that their memory is commemorated.
01:02:46.060When liberalism is about becoming a is about becoming a political so merchants and nobles can get rich and we can only discuss 12 topics that are meant to last 70 years.
01:03:26.720But anyway, we can't can't do that right now.
01:03:29.600Point being, yeah, the the idea with Schmitt is that liberalism kind of artificially tried to remove the political.
01:03:36.980And because so many things actually are existential, so many of our disagreements are existential.
01:03:43.540You had to kind of limit the discussion to a very small amount of topics over which you can argue.
01:03:49.240So there's a reason that like both left and right constantly avoid very particular areas, because if you actually had and acknowledge kind of the existential opposition of certain value sets, certain ways of life, then you might actually have to come to illiberal conclusions about kind of how those ways of life could coexist.
01:04:10.340And so, you know, liberalism is great for merchants, you know, because they can make a lot more money.
01:04:16.320It's great for for kind of getting your society to work together and enriching your ruling class.
01:04:23.680But it's not particularly good for kind of recognizing truths about the human condition that you can't escape once you kind of just because you said, well, we're not going to have political anymore.
01:04:34.780Yeah, you can't escape existential realities in the same way you can't escape biological ones.
01:04:40.400And I think our good friend Skeptical Waves has concept of the political available for audio on his channel.
01:04:45.280I would highly recommend that you listen to it.
01:04:46.860But yeah, many such cases where someone throws around a friend enemy distinction without actually reading Schmidt, unfortunately.
01:04:53.760Yeah, it's it's I don't want to it's a complicated thing, but I don't want to say it's overcomplicated.
01:04:59.520I think it's graspable by most people. But the problem is so many people and I you know, I'm I'm probably part of this because I throw memes around like so many people have understood it as a meme that they just kind of make it a shortcut to their explanation of things rather than understanding like the actual point of the friend enemy distinction, which is like there are certain things that, you know, once a group has been othered, then you can't really coexist.
01:05:24.120And this is how coalitions form. And this is the nature of political disagreements. And that means that certain political disagreements will always leave to particular ends.
01:05:32.700This is how the total state gets formed. Like those are all things that are inside the concept of the political. It's only like really 70 or 80 pages.
01:05:38.800So it's well worth your time if you if you want to get around to it. Absolutely. All right, guys.
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