The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Five Republics of the United States ｜ Guest： The Good Ol Boyz

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00:00:30.700 Hey, everybody. How's it going?

00:00:32.240 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

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00:00:38.820 So joining me today are the two gentlemen from the excellent podcast,

00:00:43.280 the good old boys, Mark and Bogbeef.

00:00:45.900 Thank you so much for coming on, guys.

00:00:48.020 Thanks for having us.

00:00:49.080 How y'all doing?

00:00:50.860 So today we're going to be getting into a really interesting topic.

00:00:54.300 Many people might be familiar with the idea that we have this,

00:00:59.200 continuous government, right?

00:01:01.000 We pass the Constitution.

00:01:03.000 And from there on out, we live pretty much under the same legal regime.

00:01:06.900 It's got this continuation all the way from the writing of the original document over here to 2023.

00:01:14.160 But if you're somebody who's read the works of people like Curtis Yarvin,

00:01:18.920 you understand that that's not the whole story.

00:01:21.380 He brought about in Unqualified Reservations this idea that there's actually been multiple different republics,

00:01:27.980 just like there are multiple republics in the country of France.

00:01:30.420 They number these things, but we don't really do that in America,

00:01:32.940 even though there is a shift in the legal regime.

00:01:36.220 And so today I wanted to dig into that because I think that's a very interesting idea,

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00:03:14.520 All right, guys.

00:03:16.780 So let's go ahead and get into it.

00:03:18.060 I think all of us here on the show today are familiar with the works of Curtis Yarvin.

00:03:23.220 I know all of us have kind of read through unqualified reservations.

00:03:27.080 So we're familiar with what he says on it.

00:03:29.660 But I think this also kind of expands to a larger knowledge for a lot of people on the new right

00:03:35.760 or the dissident right or whatever people are calling it.

00:03:38.320 The idea that there has not necessarily been one continuous government in the United States.

00:03:45.200 Now, when I first kind of read this, that blew my mind a little bit because I was a history teacher.

00:03:51.060 Like, I'm, you know, I'm not an expert, but I'm somebody who's relatively familiar.

00:03:55.180 I've taught the material.

00:03:56.400 I've read a good bit of this.

00:03:58.160 So he wasn't telling me anything new about the events of the United States necessarily when he was asserting this idea.

00:04:07.020 But when you learn this in history class, when you learn about these different events that might separate these different eras of American governance,

00:04:17.180 nobody really explains that as something different.

00:04:20.820 They just say, oh, well, then we added this a little bit, right?

00:04:23.100 This Constitution, we just added this thing.

00:04:25.580 And then we kind of went on with whatever we were doing.

00:04:28.360 But the way that Yarvin described it was like, no, this is a fundamental break from the way that we understand the American government.

00:04:37.700 It changed our relationship with the government.

00:04:40.320 And in any other kind of historical period, if we were looking at a country, we would call that a different government.

00:04:46.380 But because we've kind of had this narrative of continuous governance under the Constitution, we just see this as one thing that moves throughout American history.

00:04:56.120 And that shakeup can really make you look at America a different way.

00:05:00.180 There's a very, very, very, very good reason why this simple fact is hidden from us, because this undermines the entire basis of American government, which is popular sovereignty.

00:05:16.860 Where was the revolution?

00:05:19.080 Where, you know, to create this great nation, men bled and died.

00:05:26.640 And people's, there's no, the idea of popular sovereignty goes out the window when you're talking about this kind of thing.

00:05:37.760 I mean, so that's number one.

00:05:39.560 First off, the whole basis of the government is essentially a lie when you start looking at it this way.

00:05:46.420 But second off, now, especially in terms of the right, who is the most delusional on this subject.

00:05:54.600 Perhaps because we don't have this progressive view of history.

00:06:00.180 So, I mean, you know, if you were to grab a leftist and say, hey, hey, you know, things are changing.

00:06:07.460 The government's not been the same.

00:06:09.180 They'd be like, well, great, good.

00:06:11.200 We do more and more of our, so regardless, especially, especially for professionals who see themselves as professionals in politics.

00:06:21.020 People who have a great responsibility, people give them money, ordinary, hardworking people give them money and support them for them to operate on their behalf, to represent me, whether you're a politician or you're a pundit or whatever.

00:06:37.220 And these people are either ignorant or, well, they're actively ignorant, regardless of if it's willful or not, of the fact that the game has changed.

00:06:49.520 And I mean, and it's changed several times.

00:06:51.600 I'll give one simple example, and I'll cede the floor, which is that we hear all the time this thing from every conservative pundit has one answer on race.

00:07:04.620 They quote Martin Luther King Jr., Michael King, and they say, well, we just need to look at everybody on a colorblind basis.

00:07:18.680 Why don't we just do that?

00:07:20.060 Why don't we don't need this other stuff, which has been illegal, illegal since the 60s, which also sort of puts a little bookmark in one of the little revolutions.

00:07:33.060 It's funny how this works, because what you just said is right, but there was a mistake there.

00:07:39.840 You said like the basis, popular sovereignty.

00:07:42.540 Like if you're going off of the 3.0 framework, yes, but the original American Revolution, the original, the first republic and the second republic for that matter, was not based on popular sovereignty.

00:07:55.640 It was the sovereignty of the states.

00:07:57.420 It was explicitly anti-popular sovereignty.

00:08:00.980 One of the decisions they made early on was, yeah, we probably shouldn't let people pick their leaders directly.

00:08:07.160 We should have the state legislatures do that.

00:08:09.440 So, yeah, that's true.

00:08:11.060 That's just because we're in the, you know how when you, I'm dating myself, like when you photocopy something and you photocopy a copy of a photocopy, it just gets duller and duller until at the end you can barely read it.

00:08:23.120 Well, by my count, I disagree with Mr. Yarvin, I hear we're on republic number five right now, and the Xerox machine's getting real dim.

00:08:32.800 Yeah, I think it's really important to both you guys bring up some excellent points about like what people need to understand about the kind of the continuity government here, because it really changes the way that we understand how kind of sovereignty was derived and the way that we see this.

00:08:52.760 Many conservatives will talk about wanting to go back to the vision of the founders, right?

00:08:57.940 They'll say, we have to go back to the vision of the founders, we have to restore the vision of the founders, but they wouldn't even recognize the country under what we're going to qualify as the first two republics, right?

00:09:08.860 Like the version of the country they're really talking about is just the 1950s.

00:09:14.180 If we went back to the vision of the founders, they wouldn't like the country.

00:09:18.760 They wouldn't agree with the way the country is viewed.

00:09:21.300 And so I think that because we've kind of – even our conservative nature, even our conservative right-wing nature is only conserving something from like 70 or 80 years ago, it's really hard for us to grasp the true historical timeline in which America exists.

00:09:39.300 I would love – I would love – if it's okay, I don't know if this is what we're doing, but I'm going to treat Lord Yarvin as the great teacher, and I'm going to read out of the texts that have been handed to us.

00:09:56.500 Oh, excellent.

00:09:57.120 Well, yeah, no, we'll definitely draw from that.

00:09:59.520 The way I want to do this is kind of walk through the different republics to kind of give that continuity.

00:10:08.260 So wherever you feel that that fits, whenever you think it hits a relevant part of that, you just let me know, and we'll get into that.

00:10:16.600 Well, this one's kind of not specific.

00:10:18.160 I just want to legitimize the idea, this whole idea that we're getting into.

00:10:21.920 Okay, then by all means.

00:10:23.140 Go ahead.

00:10:23.300 Okay, so this – like before – this sounds very philosophical or whatever, which it's not.

00:10:29.860 This is like – and you're thinking, well, you know, okay, has this ever happened?

00:10:35.240 What absolutely happened, and you can really – and most – I mean, I don't know why I say mostly, but a lot of people.

00:10:40.300 You could ask the smartest person you know about – I mean, the person you know that knows the most about the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire,

00:10:49.560 if people immediately knew that, oh, now we're in the empire, or if there was this – if things were retained, guys were still senators, and blah, blah, blah,

00:11:04.540 and many people believe they still had a republic.

00:11:08.020 You could ask them, and they'll say, yeah, that was a weird quirk.

00:11:10.540 These dumb guys, they didn't really understand it, or, you know, there was like a conspiracy to keep the Senate going, blah, blah, blah.

00:11:18.700 Either way, they kept the stuff going.

00:11:20.700 Well, speaking of Curtis Jarvin, well, I'll read – I'll wait and read later, but I just want to say this has happened later.

00:11:28.760 You were right.

00:11:29.700 He does specifically name one of the transitions.

00:11:32.240 I'll bring it back up.

00:11:33.320 Well, and the – you know, that's a good point, too, because the same thing happened with the Byzantines, right?

00:11:38.060 Like, the Byzantine Empire didn't think of itself as the Byzantine Empire.

00:11:41.160 They thought of themselves as the Romans.

00:11:43.020 And so, you know, here in the future, we can see and we can look back and we can say, oh, no, you know, the Roman Republic and then the Roman Empire and then the Byzantine Empire,

00:11:54.220 these are all very separate things that we can draw lines around and say this is when this started, this is when this ended.

00:12:00.680 These are different people with different customs, different beliefs, different ways to understand politics.

00:12:05.460 Like, we look back at that now and we say, oh, no, it's obvious that there are these breaks in historical continuity.

00:12:13.060 But at the time, like you're saying, the Romans would have said, oh, no, we're the Roman Republic.

00:12:17.560 And when Augustus became, you know, the first among equals, you were still the Roman Republic.

00:12:23.500 And when, you know, the Byzantines, you know, the Western Empire fell and the Byzantines continued in the east, they were still the Roman.

00:12:30.320 They didn't have this divide and saying, so, yes, you're exactly right to point out that great empires, great peoples have had this same thing where they thought of themselves as one.

00:12:42.540 We're one continuous line from all the way from Romulus and Remus to, you know, to Constantinople.

00:12:50.820 But no, today we see them as very different phases of civilizations.

00:12:56.020 In fact, we see them as entirely different civilizations in some cases, but that's not how they would have understood that.

00:13:00.900 So America is not the first nation or empire to see itself in this way.

00:13:06.580 So I think that that's a good point, but we're like, we're like forcing, like when we talk about the first among equals and stuff, we're almost trying to remind ourselves that they didn't see them, that Augustus didn't see himself as making himself the grand emperor because it's just so obvious to us now.

00:13:24.360 No, I don't, I, I'm sure I don't agree that he necessarily didn't see himself that way.

00:13:29.440 Oh, no, no, he did.

00:13:30.580 He did.

00:13:30.960 He did.

00:13:31.300 He did.

00:13:31.640 I'm saying like the, the, the, the form formally, they tried to carry on the old symbols and we have to like, try to pretend and remind ourself that they did try that.

00:13:41.200 Right.

00:13:41.680 Yeah.

00:13:42.080 Like if you, if you're a samurai stays a samurai, you know, uh, when you, uh, that what's this cyberpunk or whatever, right?

00:13:50.600 Like, don't they love to have like the futuristic space lasers and the power armor, but they look like, like Japanese samurai warriors, you know what I'm, you know what I'm talking about in like Japanese cartoons.

00:14:01.220 That's the continuity.

00:14:02.500 You gotta be, you gotta stay a samurai.

00:14:04.340 You gotta stay a Republican if you're Roman or American for that matter.

00:14:08.500 Right, right.

00:14:09.580 Augustus assembles the principate powers.

00:14:12.340 He, he, he makes himself an emperor, but he takes it in pieces.

00:14:15.340 He doesn't declare himself the emperor.

00:14:17.600 And so he, he knew what he was doing.

00:14:19.380 He was assembling all the power under one guy.

00:14:21.740 I'm sure he was aware of that, but he kept the appearance of, oh yeah, no, the Senate's still over there.

00:14:26.360 The, you know, there's still tribunes.

00:14:28.200 People still have veto power that, you know, these things still happen.

00:14:31.440 But really that, that period is over.

00:14:34.140 And what was Stalin's official title?

00:14:37.160 Comrade Stalin never held like executive position.

00:14:40.060 He was always like some minor secretary or whatever.

00:14:42.760 Right, exactly.

00:14:44.000 And, and that's, and that's a hard thing I think for people to look at when they look at American history, but this is a thing that happens.

00:14:50.100 And so that's what we're going to, we're going to take us through here.

00:14:52.440 So let's start, like he said, Yarvin outlines five republics.

00:14:56.080 We're going to go that we can argue at the end, whether we're in a sixth one, but, but we'll go with five.

00:15:00.320 So his first one is the articles of confederation.

00:15:04.000 Now, a lot of people don't know about the articles.

00:15:07.320 If you watch this show, you have, cause I've done several episodes on it in one way or another.

00:15:12.000 So if you, if you, if you want to see that, you can hear me, hear me and Ryan Turpsey talk about Shay's rebellion, talk about the articles of confederation and all of that stuff.

00:15:23.100 So, but we'll, we'll touch on some of that cause that's important.

00:15:25.560 And, but, but most Americans, if you're talking about, okay, what was the first government of the United States?

00:15:29.360 Oh, well, it was the constitution.

00:15:30.700 Who's the first president?

00:15:31.800 Oh, it's George Washington, right?

00:15:33.080 They have no, they have no idea what happened between like 1775 and, you know, the 1780, you know, depending on where you want to count ratification, writing or ratification or implementation of the, of the current constitution somewhere in the late 1780s.

00:15:51.080 You know, they just have no idea like that 10 year period, like what happened to the government.

00:15:56.860 But of course there was a government in the United States and it was under this articles of confederation, which really originally creates a, a vastly decentralized government.

00:16:07.680 Everyone was very worried about a strong government.

00:16:10.700 They didn't want to go back to the monarchy.

00:16:12.160 They didn't want to go back to a heavily centralized, you know, a thing under a King.

00:16:16.060 And so all of these States are basically their own little countries.

00:16:20.580 I mean, like they, they, like, they don't even have to acknowledge each other's borders half the time.

00:16:24.380 They can print their own money.

00:16:26.220 They can outlaw each other's products.

00:16:28.860 They can ban commerce.

00:16:30.560 They, they can, they, each of them only have one vote.

00:16:33.360 Like there isn't this, you know, there isn't, there isn't this proportional vote system.

00:16:36.900 It's very much like, okay, we have to deal with each other in order to like not get overrun by European powers probably.

00:16:43.480 But we, we are not working as one unified country at this point.

00:16:47.220 I, I'm, I got a nitpick, but only because we're talking about Mr. Yarvin's theory.

00:16:52.220 He says we had five legal regimes, but four republics.

00:16:55.860 Oh, fair enough.

00:16:56.380 And that, that is only important because whenever we talk about this stuff, like, you know, his first album, when he was really into like Stuart restoration.

00:17:04.600 It's like for him, the legal regime of the United States is like the, whatever the Jacobite King would be today, that person should, should take over the United States.

00:17:13.460 Yeah.

00:17:14.000 That, that, that's, that's his, who is, was his working theory back in 2007.

00:17:18.940 Fair.

00:17:19.340 I, but I do think, I think we, I think, I think a lot of people on the right would now agree that there's a difference between the new deal and today.

00:17:27.780 But that's way, way ahead of ourselves.

00:17:30.100 We're talking about the articles at first.

00:17:33.360 We haven't even got to Louisiana yet, right?

00:17:35.860 That's not.

00:17:36.900 No, no.

00:17:38.180 We haven't even got to presidents yet.

00:17:40.260 Yeah.

00:17:40.500 Yeah.

00:17:40.660 We're, we're talking pre-presidents here.

00:17:42.720 So the problem with the articles of confederation, which is always like funny, the way we were taught in school.

00:17:47.980 I think all three of us would have been taught this way.

00:17:50.920 The problem was the articles were too, quote unquote, weak.

00:17:54.820 They didn't facilitate having a standing army and collecting taxes.

00:17:59.240 So that, that was a problem for the, for, and to be fair, most of the founding fathers.

00:18:04.380 And I understand, I'm going to sit for them a little bit.

00:18:07.460 I understand why George Washington was a big constitutionalist.

00:18:11.120 He wanted to, he was one of the prime movers of the removing from the first to second republic.

00:18:18.620 I get why, like, if you're that person, you're, you're a good, you're a good leader, maybe not the best military leader, but politically you're, you're very good.

00:18:26.940 You're a man with great integrity.

00:18:29.520 Even your enemies agree on that.

00:18:31.240 If you were in charge of the American republic forever, there would be no problems.

00:18:35.700 But some of his buddies less, like had less scruples, like say Alexander Hamilton, who had been, who was champing at the bit for his entire life.

00:18:47.300 Yes.

00:18:47.840 Someone in chat already said the first neocon champing at the bit to create his, uh, empire of disgusting bankers and industrialists, which was mercifully cut short when he was shot by the heroic Aaron Burr.

00:19:01.540 So, uh, what they don't teach you in school or they gloss, they heavily gloss over is that not all the founders agreed on this, especially a lot of Virginia delegates and people like Jefferson, people like, uh, Patrick Henry, people like George Mason did not like the idea of abolishing these so-called weak articles of confederation.

00:19:27.040 They liked the states having, uh, more sovereignty, more power.

00:19:31.580 Now, of course, that's kind of cynical because Virginia was by far the most powerful state at the time.

00:19:36.620 So you could take that with a grain of salt.

00:19:39.040 I want to read it.

00:19:39.780 I want to read a quote, if that's okay, from, from Patrick Henry.

00:19:42.740 And he, this is when they were discussing the new constitutional convention that was being held in, I think, 1787.

00:19:48.500 If we admit this consolidated government, it will be because we like a great, splendid one.

00:19:54.600 Some way or another, we must be a great and mighty empire.

00:19:58.180 We must have an army and a navy in a number of things.

00:20:01.460 When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different.

00:20:06.360 Liberty was then the primary object.

00:20:09.000 This is 10 years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

00:20:15.340 And when he's talking about you, young America, he means the 1750s.

00:20:20.020 This is, this is not a very old republic at this time.

00:20:22.820 And he's saying already, you guys are kind of getting seduced by the empire.

00:20:27.040 Wasn't that the whole point of the revolution to break away from the British empire?

00:20:30.280 So I'm trying to remember, I might've gotten this wrong, but I believe Patrick Henry was like, for the execution of everybody involved in Shaves' Rebellion.

00:20:42.000 Like, like he was for the violent death of everyone involved in Shaves' Rebellion.

00:20:46.480 Yes.

00:20:47.180 And you and I were talking about this before the show.

00:20:50.240 The boomers love breaking out the Jefferson quote about the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

00:20:57.780 And the context of that was, I think it was like a letter from or to John Adams about this new constitution they were cooking up.

00:21:06.620 And he said, you know, this Shaves' Rebellion is a psyop.

00:21:10.720 There was this minor rebellion in Western Massachusetts that you could argue the Federalists cynically use as a pretext to remake the country.

00:21:22.480 That's like, look, look at how, look at this, these, you know, January 6th protesters with their flintlock muskets.

00:21:29.240 And they almost overthrew it.

00:21:30.500 And Jefferson said, not really.

00:21:31.720 This is not that big of a deal.

00:21:33.320 And if it was, who cares?

00:21:34.960 Maybe from time to time we just have to do this.

00:21:36.960 We just have to, you know, you got to have some rebellions.

00:21:39.400 You got to hang some people.

00:21:40.260 You got to shoot them.

00:21:41.180 It's good.

00:21:41.840 It's good.

00:21:42.500 It keeps the blood fresh.

00:21:44.640 Yeah, there's so.

00:21:46.420 So for people who don't know, because like I didn't know about the Artists of the Confederation when I was a kid, I was not taught about them at all.

00:21:52.000 That was not part of my history education when I was young.

00:21:55.500 But but I do know today it's taught in some schools because I taught it when I when I was a history teacher.

00:22:00.700 But but yeah, basically, like you're saying, Merrick, the story is, well, the articles are too weak because they can't have taxes and they couldn't have a standing military.

00:22:09.480 Which literally like all of our founding fathers warned us about, like that a standing military is like the doom of freedom.

00:22:17.760 But but yeah, so they're like, oh, well, we can't do that.

00:22:20.760 And so, you know, this is a problem.

00:22:23.680 And they always teach that, OK, well, Shave's Rebellion happened and they couldn't get an army together to stop them, which is true.

00:22:29.880 Actually, the governor of Massachusetts ended up getting mercenaries.

00:22:33.300 You know, he couldn't get the legislature to to actually send a like raise a National Guard or anything.

00:22:40.740 So he like just got a bunch of businessmen together and because like they were the ones who wanted to foreclose on all the farms and and take all of the money to pay off the war debt.

00:22:50.600 And so, you know, they they got this mercenary force together and that's how they ended up putting down the rebellion.

00:22:55.840 But they're like, look, if these farmers, you know, if we don't have a mechanism to stop a bunch of farmers from like killing the bankers who want to steal their their land, pay taxes, then, you know, then we have a problem here.

00:23:09.120 And so that's kind of how we have this transition.

00:23:11.620 And this is funny because like this is how you actually end up with like sovereign citizens.

00:23:16.140 Right. Because they believe they still live under the Articles of Confederation because the Constitution wasn't legally passed because like under the Articles of Confederation, you need to have unanimous vote.

00:23:25.020 And we never had any vote under the Articles of Confederation to get rid of the Articles of Confederation.

00:23:29.380 Yes, we we ratified the Constitution under its own new provision.

00:23:32.900 So in secrecy, by the way, the second constitutional convention was held in secrecy, in secrecy.

00:23:39.960 Jefferson, Jefferson was in France when this happened.

00:23:42.640 And, you know, Jefferson was probably the leading, maybe not like the most boisterous, but he was definitely the most famous and respected of the anti-federalists, the people we would, I guess, eventually.

00:23:54.860 Become Democrats, however you want to frame it.

00:23:57.260 And he raised like, you know, it's kind of weird that you guys are remaking the government in this secret meeting and nobody knows what's going on.

00:24:05.540 It's not like the public was was like clamoring for this change either, by the way.

00:24:09.380 The regular people were perfectly happy under the Articles of Confederation.

00:24:14.740 The some of the state leaders, people who would eventually become national leaders, they weren't happy with it.

00:24:20.760 And they did this behind closed doors.

00:24:23.540 Wasn't a great it wasn't a great start for our nation.

00:24:27.480 So there I think there's some fair points about like whether or not you think that the the warnings of the federalists were of the anti-federalists were pretty prescient, which I think they are like pretty much everything that the anti-federalists warned about came true.

00:24:44.640 I think there is an argument to say, like, eventually America would have just gotten eaten up by a great power had it not consolidated.

00:24:52.400 And so, like, you know, whether you feel this is justified or not, I think we can say that the Constitution had, you know, a good a good impact on the survivability of this new nation, this ability to kind of work together.

00:25:06.320 But but but but that's that's kind of our first that's our first republic right under the framework is is this Articles of Confederation government that lasted about 10 years.

00:25:19.240 So then we move into the constitutional period.

00:25:21.480 And this is this is where obviously most people just think history started.

00:25:26.300 OK, we have the Constitution, but they don't think about when it would change.

00:25:29.800 And so for Yarvin, this this period stretches from the passage of our current Constitution in like, you know, 17, late 1780s to basically the Civil War, the 14th Amendment and and the kind of surrounding post post Civil War consolidation of power under the Union government basically abolishes the the previous idea of federalism.

00:25:58.660 We go we go we go from having a confederacy in in the in the original sense of the Articles of Confederation, where each state is basically its own country to having a more unified but still federated government under the original Constitution in that period of its passage up into the Civil War.

00:26:17.660 But Yarvin makes the argument that post Civil War, we've even lost that federalization.

00:26:22.620 And now we're really under this this union government where the government has the ability to basically reach in the 14th Amendment says clarifies that basically the federal government has the right to reach in and extend rights to anybody.

00:26:36.600 There's no sovereignty of the individual state in most of these situations.

00:26:40.920 And so, you know, that the that again, the argument is, of course, is that's what's necessary post Civil War to to get rid of any lingering possibility of slavery or whatever.

00:26:51.160 But that doesn't just apply to, you know, the the abolition of slavery.

00:26:55.600 It's not just the 13th Amendment where the 14th Amendment gives those broad powers.

00:26:59.260 It gives it to the United States government to do that pretty much in all states for most reasons.

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00:27:35.340 So, all right.

00:27:38.780 To recap, number one, Articles of Confederation.

00:27:42.660 Number two, Constitution.

00:27:44.300 That's what everybody's talked about.

00:27:45.660 So, and is there, I guess there's less to talk about with the constitutional period.

00:27:49.980 So we're moving on to number three, right?

00:27:52.340 I mean, if you guys want to comment on that real quick, that's fine.

00:27:54.520 I just wanted to draw the barrier there so people understood what period we're talking about.

00:27:58.360 You can't skip past the Second Republic or whatever you want to call it because this is America as people know it today in their minds, in their hearts, in what your conception.

00:28:10.720 Well, hang on then.

00:28:11.860 So, I mean, so 1776 to Civil War, prior to Civil War, before Civil War.

00:28:17.620 So, that's number two, right?

00:28:19.920 1790 to Civil War would be, before Civil War would be your second republic.

00:28:25.980 Okay.

00:28:26.360 So that's not the world we live in.

00:28:28.740 Yes, but it's the one people are referencing when they think, when they're referencing the constitutional order, that's the constitutional order they're referencing.

00:28:35.540 This is what we've pretended America has been ever since 1788.

00:28:39.720 1788.

00:28:40.260 Okay.

00:28:40.800 Well, let's talk about that, whatever you've got to get out, because number three is going

00:28:44.620 to be huge.

00:28:46.300 So, whatever you guys got to say about number two.

00:28:48.720 You can't understand number three without understanding number two.

00:28:51.080 Sorry.

00:28:51.520 And by all means, Merrick, go for it.

00:28:54.340 Go ahead and explain to people, like, that prime period where they think they're referring

00:28:57.940 back to when they talk about the constitutional republic.

00:29:01.400 Go ahead.

00:29:01.600 Yeah, so, this is the second republic, 1788 to 1860 or 1865, depending on how you want to

00:29:09.220 look at it, was when people talk about America in the classic sense, like the idea of constitutionalism

00:29:16.220 and all this stuff, this is what they're thinking about.

00:29:18.080 This is what the country they think that they live in.

00:29:20.320 And if you lived in that short time period, you actually did.

00:29:25.160 So, the Articles of Confederation, literally a confederation of states.

00:29:29.680 It wasn't really a federal republic, but the second republic is a federal republic.

00:29:34.900 The states have a lot of power.

00:29:36.260 If you live in Virginia or you live in Florida, that means something in this time period.

00:29:42.260 You are, you're really more, you're far more beholden to the laws of your state and the

00:29:46.380 culture of your state than you are the national identity.

00:29:50.880 And this is important because, well, it leads to a civil war for one thing.

00:29:56.140 Louisiana has an entirely different legal system.

00:29:58.620 Of course, it still does, but, you know.

00:30:00.600 Right, exactly.

00:30:02.400 So, you have to, like, really, I've always thought that the American politics really

00:30:09.580 begin with Andrew Jackson.

00:30:11.340 Politics as we know it.

00:30:12.480 Everything before that is like prehistory.

00:30:14.480 It's like the, you know, the Bronze Age of American politics.

00:30:18.900 Stuff's happening, but it's not stuff that you can necessarily relate to today.

00:30:23.780 Andrew Jackson's a figure that everybody can understand.

00:30:27.600 And, well, his purpose in the story is he sets back the GAE for, like, 20 or 30 years.

00:30:35.560 And it wasn't, like, out of, like, Republican piety or whatever.

00:30:40.920 Andrew Jackson had his own conception of what the American empire should be, which is that

00:30:45.280 it needs to go west.

00:30:47.220 And the people who live here in east of the Mississippi now need to spread out across the

00:30:51.900 country.

00:30:52.320 We need to take us all.

00:30:53.280 It should be our land.

00:30:54.420 If the Supreme Court doesn't like that, then they can enforce their own rules.

00:30:58.460 This is why we all love Andrew Jackson.

00:31:00.600 This is why he's our great hero.

00:31:02.340 There were two competing blocks of power, though.

00:31:06.560 There's the, if you want to do it, like, roughly, you've got the Jacksonian party and the Adams

00:31:10.920 party.

00:31:12.020 The Jacksonians want to settle the west.

00:31:16.380 Later on, they would be keen to add Puerto Rico, Cuba, and northern Mexico to the United

00:31:24.940 States.

00:31:25.460 And that's, like, purely because mechanical reasons, because, you know, they, this is

00:31:32.480 the, like, you could say southern coalition, whatever, have a peculiar institution for agricultural

00:31:40.300 work that they would like to spread.

00:31:42.620 The other side would like to expand north and northwest.

00:31:46.640 They, especially the Oregon Territory, they would like to see that go all the way up to

00:31:50.880 Alaska.

00:31:51.340 And if that means having a war with Great Britain, so be it.

00:31:54.400 So, really, there's no argument anymore about whether or not we should have an empire by

00:31:59.560 this point.

00:32:00.080 The only argument is, what kind of empire are we going to be?

00:32:03.140 And I think that's important, because that is kind of a change from 1776, whatever, until

00:32:09.600 the Civil War.

00:32:10.700 Does this make sense?

00:32:12.180 Yeah.

00:32:12.620 I just want to throw in, this is a glorious period.

00:32:17.660 People like Andrew Jackson, he wasn't some pencil neck guy that, you know, came from the corporate

00:32:26.640 sector or whatever.

00:32:28.440 This whole expanding places, going west and conquering the Indians and stuff, he did that.

00:32:36.600 He put his ass on the line doing that.

00:32:40.300 He, so, I mean, you're really, it's bizarre that this has become, you know, something like,

00:32:50.040 it feels like more like something out of the Middle Ages, that you would have great political

00:32:54.740 leaders that would be expected to do this.

00:32:57.560 However, I mean, it was a better way to do things.

00:33:00.040 But yes, yes, literally, literally that, putting his own A on the line.

00:33:05.980 Yeah.

00:33:06.460 And I'm glad you brought this up, Merrick, because you're right that this is critical to

00:33:09.880 understanding what happens in the Civil War, because so many people are confused.

00:33:15.980 Of course, our current narrative is entirely, it was just, it was all slavery.

00:33:19.500 That's the only thing that it was about.

00:33:21.300 And so most people don't understand the dynamics that were happening before this.

00:33:26.160 And so when you say something like Robert E. Lee saw himself as a Virginian before he

00:33:31.480 saw himself as an American, that's a really foreign, that's an alien thing for a lot of

00:33:35.380 people.

00:33:35.740 But yeah, no, people used to refer to it as these United States, right?

00:33:39.560 Like, you were a member of your state first, and that state was then part of this federal

00:33:46.480 republic.

00:33:47.040 And so the idea that your identity would be entirely unique, like you would see someone in

00:33:54.220 New York, just the same as you would see somebody next to you living in Georgia, that did not

00:34:00.060 exist like that.

00:34:01.100 That's not how people understood that.

00:34:02.520 So when Robert E. Lee is most likely going to be named, he was offered the lead of the

00:34:09.480 Union Army, and he turns it down.

00:34:11.680 It's because he sees himself first and foremost as a Virginian, not as a member of the United

00:34:18.220 States.

00:34:18.640 And that is what brings so many of these different dynamics into play.

00:34:23.900 Everybody was living very different lives.

00:34:26.720 There had been basically a, you know, we've brought this up multiple times.

00:34:31.180 There had been a factionalism inside the United States, almost from the very beginning between

00:34:36.000 kind of rural, agrarian, you know, more Southern and then, you know, more merchant, shipping,

00:34:44.640 industrial-based Northern interests.

00:34:47.280 This had changed, impacted all kinds of stuff from taxes, laws, military ventures, rebellions.

00:34:55.540 I mean, all of this stuff had happened before inside the United States, but we just kind of

00:35:00.040 glossed it over and we say like, oh, well, basically everything was just fine until the

00:35:04.880 Civil War.

00:35:05.520 And then people disagreed about slavery.

00:35:07.400 Like, well, no, like that was certainly a huge issue.

00:35:10.140 Like, I'm not underplaying the importance of slavery in this discussion, but Lincoln surely

00:35:15.280 did.

00:35:16.740 So, you know, that was something that the North was keenly aware of, that these, you know,

00:35:21.980 these differences were not simply based on that institution, that they were longstanding.

00:35:29.260 And it was a question of government power, identity, regionalism, economics, you know, moral

00:35:36.180 visions, and then also, obviously, a major issue of slavery.

00:35:39.340 So, we need to, I mean, for me, the big question in the context of this is, has to do with Andrew

00:35:47.400 Jackson and how he was sort of, his legacy was reframed, well, maybe, maybe, maybe not

00:35:57.220 the exact next one, but either way.

00:35:58.840 So, LBJ, or sorry, FDR kind of reframes Andrew Jackson's, Andrew Jackson's populism into something

00:36:10.500 that I don't think it was.

00:36:12.580 And I mean, you could see that very clearly today, but someone, if you ask someone like

00:36:17.140 Barack Obama about the New Deal, they would, gosh, they would say it's wonderful.

00:36:20.900 However, you could look at, just look at Barack Obama and, and Donald Trump's stances towards

00:36:28.240 Andrew Jackson.

00:36:29.600 I mean, Donald Trump definitely, definitely pushed the imagery of Andrew Jackson.

00:36:35.320 And well, Barack Obama had him take, had tried to get him taken off the $20 bill.

00:36:39.800 Now, Andrew Jackson is our glorious Caesar.

00:36:44.160 I mean, he was called that in his day.

00:36:46.760 Everyone said, this guy is our Caesar.

00:36:48.560 He was absolutely an autocratic demagogue who would, uh, crush political opposition and

00:36:54.800 ignore the law when it's suit, when it suited him.

00:36:57.900 And that's good and glorious because he had, he had the, uh, he had the mandate of heaven.

00:37:03.380 Now this idea of the whole common man thing, like did Andrew Jackson look at the common man

00:37:09.360 the same way that, uh, I don't know, uh, Karl Marx does or something.

00:37:14.420 No, no.

00:37:15.960 You have to understand why the sort of basic American agrarian man looked to be so worthy

00:37:25.320 and worthy to a man like Andrew Jackson.

00:37:28.700 Andrew Jackson was a great, great general.

00:37:32.220 The thing about when you're Andrew Jackson, you give him 10,000 bodies.

00:37:37.340 You give him 10,000 farm boys.

00:37:39.660 You don't know what a guy like that can do with 10,000 farm boys.

00:37:44.780 This is why to him, these, these were, these were completely worthy people to do business

00:37:51.620 with because he did that fighting and spilling his own blood.

00:37:55.960 So yes, uh, I don't know.

00:37:58.060 And I just think that's important because we're going to see, um, well today, the most pop

00:38:03.900 today, the, our great enemy is called the Democrat party.

00:38:08.000 And where did that come from?

00:38:09.720 That's been the long, long legacy based on, uh, the, everyone has been trying.

00:38:15.640 It's like everyone calling everything, the Roman empire.

00:38:18.220 Well, Roman empire had a pretty damn good run, had a good run.

00:38:22.220 So everybody wanted to be, well, we're Roman empire too.

00:38:25.060 Well, everybody for a very long time wanted to be Andrew Jackson to almost everything.

00:38:30.180 I mean, I'm from Florida and like every other thing in my life is named after Andrew Jackson

00:38:35.400 for good reason.

00:38:36.900 I mean, he was worshiped as our, as our Caesar figure and gloriously.

00:38:40.660 So.

00:38:40.860 So I want to highlight one of the things is one of the big things that I think this opened

00:38:47.180 up for me was the, was the legal transitions.

00:38:49.800 So when we talk about these periods, we're not just talking about some kind of, you know,

00:38:55.220 amorphous historical change that we're wanting to pin on an era.

00:38:58.820 There are concrete legal changes that take place in each one of these transitions that defines

00:39:05.420 the period.

00:39:06.100 So it obviously our first government is the articles, right?

00:39:09.500 That's a break from the King.

00:39:10.860 Our second, uh, our second government is the constitution.

00:39:14.120 That's a clear legal break from the articles.

00:39:17.920 It's literally a new constitution.

00:39:19.400 So that one's obvious too.

00:39:20.960 This one gets a little fuzzier for people, but I still think it's important.

00:39:24.420 Post civil war, obviously we get a big change in the way that the government views its ability

00:39:30.600 to interfere with States.

00:39:32.800 Obviously the fact that it just fought to re reconquer a number of States, uh, was, it was

00:39:38.960 a big part of that, but they, you know, we have obviously, um, uh, reconstruction in the

00:39:44.820 South.

00:39:45.140 We have the implementation of the 14th amendment, which gives the, the government broad sweeping

00:39:49.540 powers to, uh, to, uh, to involve itself in the way that, uh, states run their governments,

00:39:57.060 especially when it comes to the application of constitutional amendments.

00:39:59.880 Uh, and also we see the government start to see itself as a prime driver of things like

00:40:07.360 expansion.

00:40:08.160 So you start seeing, uh, you know, the government funds, the, the reconstruction of the South,

00:40:12.920 uh, we can talk about, you know, where that money goes, but, but the, but the point is they,

00:40:17.940 they, they now see themselves as it's their duty to fund large projects that, that, that

00:40:24.980 combine the country together.

00:40:26.400 And so when we head West, we start to see, you know, Vanderbilt, Carnegie, like these fortunes

00:40:33.020 are built on the backs of this Westford expansion, the, you know, the, the rail lines, uh, the

00:40:39.720 creation of these networks, uh, you know, these things are, these great American fortunes are

00:40:44.840 forged by the fact that the government sees itself as subsidizing, awarding the ability

00:40:49.500 of people to, to kind of create these things.

00:40:51.800 They, they, it sees itself as a driver of what the vision of the States should be, which

00:40:56.760 I think is a, again, a fundamental change from, again, the period most people think of as the

00:41:01.940 way our constitution works today, which was that 1788 to, to civil war period.

00:41:08.220 Let me drop a date.

00:41:09.240 I can give you a date that goes from two to three.

00:41:12.500 We can go to three on exact date.

00:41:14.420 Tell me what is pop quiz for you.

00:41:17.240 What is the, the, the, the biggest, most powerful, the most important to the United States government?

00:41:25.620 What, which institution in Washington DC is the institution?

00:41:30.620 The IRS.

00:41:31.880 The IRS.

00:41:33.100 There you go.

00:41:33.900 Founded on July 1st, 1862.

00:41:36.880 Yep.

00:41:37.520 That's, I think that's as good a moment as any to say, here's the little crack.

00:41:41.960 This, this is, I mean, this, this is the bookmark, uh, is the IRS or, and you nailed the distinction

00:41:49.660 that's important and that people, that people make a mistake here all the time.

00:41:54.340 I, the, if you could say part of the reason that this country exists in the first place

00:41:59.540 was conflict with the mother kingdom about westward expansion, AKA the people who actually

00:42:07.300 lived here.

00:42:07.700 We wanted to keep going west.

00:42:09.020 We wanted to keep settling Western lands.

00:42:11.340 And for various political reasons, the crown did not want to like, not only did not want

00:42:16.280 to let us, they legally restricted us after the French and Indian war from settling the

00:42:22.100 trans Mississippi, trans Appalachian West, whatever.

00:42:25.480 Uh, that was never going to work.

00:42:27.440 And the King should have known that, but that was the, the impetus for the revolution in the

00:42:32.520 first place.

00:42:32.900 And after the revolution, we kept moving west and, uh, you know, the argument here was

00:42:37.720 always, and this Jackson had a problem with the Supreme court over this, like, just let

00:42:42.060 us go.

00:42:42.900 Let's go west.

00:42:43.780 We'll build our log cabins.

00:42:45.120 We'll start our farms.

00:42:46.360 We'll fight the Indians.

00:42:47.720 Just let us do this.

00:42:49.200 And we will settle this country.

00:42:50.740 We'll, we'll make something, we'll carve something out of the wilderness.

00:42:53.680 The change from second to third, second to third Republic was, well, actually, maybe we

00:43:00.460 should just start digging the canals ourselves.

00:43:03.200 Maybe we should give money, you know, give subsidies to the railroad.

00:43:06.100 Maybe we should do this or that.

00:43:07.440 We should, like the government collectively, a fake, we should be doing this.

00:43:12.440 And that is not necessarily a bad idea.

00:43:15.820 Having an Erie canal, I think was, was a bonus for everybody.

00:43:20.420 But that change in like, what is the role of this institution?

00:43:26.500 You know, it's, it's all part of this less like long roll downhill into empire.

00:43:31.680 I, but you, I think you were too diplomatic in your description of, of this, of this third

00:43:37.300 Republic.

00:43:38.040 I have my notes here and I put like a little subheading to explain it.

00:43:41.720 Here's mine.

00:43:42.460 The third Republic, America is abolished.

00:43:45.640 Chronically depressed homosexual president Abraham Lincoln uses a foreign army to conquer

00:43:50.120 America and replaces whatever was left of the nation with the empire.

00:43:54.840 Merrick's on here to win me friends.

00:43:56.600 That's, that's his, uh, his job today to win me friends.

00:44:01.720 So, but yes.

00:44:03.260 Yeah.

00:44:03.520 The pen pal of Karl Marx.

00:44:05.340 I don't think, I don't think Karl Marx ever rode back though.

00:44:09.720 Yeah.

00:44:11.080 Didn't get any fan letters from, uh, Karl.

00:44:13.660 I mean, no, Karl Marx sent him a fan letter.

00:44:16.020 Oh, personal secretary sent back a reply like, thanks.

00:44:20.140 Okay.

00:44:21.900 Uh, like again, consolidation was slowed down by John Wilkes Booth, peace be upon him, who

00:44:28.200 killed Lincoln, who had no effective replacement, leading the turbo libs to kind of fight with

00:44:33.020 each other and remake the country through their various institutions.

00:44:36.940 And this is kind of, I think a stronger leader could have just powered through it himself.

00:44:42.460 And Lincoln might've wanted to do that.

00:44:45.400 I know that you take someone like FDR, you can look at his life and he really like, if,

00:44:51.420 if, if, if it was possible, he would still be allowed today and be president as a brain

00:44:55.620 in a jar.

00:44:56.340 Like that was the kind, like that was his vision of like, I'm going to keep this all running

00:45:00.360 with my personal political charisma or whatever.

00:45:04.040 And Lincoln might've done that, uh, the, the Republican third Republic gave us the justice

00:45:10.000 department, the IRS, the civil rights act, expanded bureaucracy, paper money, pretty much

00:45:15.880 all the building blocks for, for what you think of as the U S government today.

00:45:21.500 So our next Republic is going to be, uh, the FDR regime, which I think you guys have, have

00:45:28.800 kind of alluded to multiple times.

00:45:30.700 And so this, this would be our fourth Republic, um, uh, kind of under our, our, uh, our architecture

00:45:36.620 here.

00:45:37.120 And this one is FDR's basically consolidation and the creation of a central planet, uh, board,

00:45:44.260 right?

00:45:44.460 Obviously we know, uh, this is part of the, um, this is part of the great depression and

00:45:50.540 then world war two obviously, uh, gets much credit for presiding over a world war two and,

00:45:56.920 and the victory that came after that.

00:45:59.180 Um, but FDR, uh, fundamentally changes the way again, once again, Washington interacts with

00:46:06.880 the people.

00:46:07.360 It now is not just that the government sees itself as funding great projects like it did

00:46:13.280 in the third Republic, but now it sees itself as basically on board, uh, with this.

00:46:18.400 And this is part of the managerial revolution.

00:46:20.720 This is why James Burnham is so important because he looks at communism.

00:46:24.440 He looks at fascism.

00:46:26.180 He looks at liberal democracy under people like FDR.

00:46:29.680 And he says, this is all the same thing.

00:46:31.260 It's like, all of these guys are central planners.

00:46:33.400 All of these guys are instituting a rule of the experts.

00:46:37.800 This is the, you know, Woodrow Wilson is kind of the precursor to this where he, he, he's obviously

00:46:42.360 a college professor and, and, you know, he starts bringing in this idea that, that experts

00:46:46.680 are going to rule everything.

00:46:47.480 But, but, but by the time FDR is in, this is, this is in full swing.

00:46:50.700 This is getting solidified.

00:46:51.880 You know, the, the bureaucracy explodes, managerialism explodes, and this becomes the way that, that

00:46:59.100 modern nations are governed, not just in America, but again, you know, throughout, throughout

00:47:03.080 pretty much all of the world.

00:47:04.700 And so FDR see overseas that transition from something that was where the government had,

00:47:11.580 had increased its role, uh, where there was no longer this idea of States as being pretty

00:47:17.180 much autonomous governments in many ways, but he takes it another step.

00:47:21.320 And he says, no, not only is the government, uh, going to be involved in these things, that

00:47:25.440 isn't going to spearhead this things, the government will top down plan, basically our economy from

00:47:30.320 in the entire way.

00:47:31.760 And of course, FDR does things like ban gold, like, you know, as, as he, he takes, uh, basically

00:47:37.700 gets rid of all alternatives to having a system that will be centralized.

00:47:42.500 He gets rid of all the, he starts working specifically to click, get rid of all these

00:47:47.100 carved out exceptions that would allow for regionalism that will allow for, for people

00:47:51.240 to take action outside of the system.

00:47:53.320 This is, this is really where we see this consolidation.

00:47:55.860 And again, you're heading into a major war.

00:47:58.040 So a lot of people will say, well, that's good because that's what allowed us to, you

00:48:01.080 know, mass produce, you know, planes and ammunition and, and, and mobilize and become the arsenal

00:48:05.580 of democracy and all of these things.

00:48:07.620 But the, but whether you, you approve of that transition or not, it's undeniable that this

00:48:12.720 is kind of the consolidation that happens.

00:48:15.300 You have a, um, there's a similar thing that happens all over the world and it's easier to

00:48:21.700 see in like the work, like when the regimes are more clearly, uh, uh, murderous or, or stupid,

00:48:30.720 which by the way, I mean, if you're a real conservative, you really shouldn't like FDR.

00:48:37.340 Now I'm going to explain why that's difficult because, because they make it difficult.

00:48:43.240 How, like, however, most of these people would find no problem sort of hating someone like

00:48:47.200 chairman Mao or something, or, or, or Stalin.

00:48:50.500 Now, first off you have some, you have the, like, where does, so where does their secret

00:48:55.620 sauce come from?

00:48:56.380 Like in sort of their, their popular, cause this is the new deal.

00:48:59.280 This is FDR is all about FDR.

00:49:01.280 This is all about one guy, one guy's thing.

00:49:04.140 Now, like Lincoln may have wanted to do this stuff.

00:49:08.220 However, he didn't have access to, uh, basically the light bulbs and penicillin.

00:49:13.300 Um, and he got shot in the head, which by the way, uh, is, is it like, I, you know, everyone

00:49:20.140 likes these, these sort of mechanical views of history these days and stuff.

00:49:24.000 And, uh, they're, they're good that they can put you on trends and stuff.

00:49:27.980 However, I mean, uh, you can look at like, I guarantee you, uh, whatever date that there

00:49:35.020 will be, or even it may never happen of Iran, uh, sort of, uh, uh, kicking the mullahs

00:49:42.140 out of power, uh, that date got pushed forward decades when, uh, Suleimani got blowed up.

00:49:48.980 Uh, of course, everyone taught in Japan, the famous photo, the guy getting staffed, uh,

00:49:54.380 Japanese socialism just ended with that murder.

00:49:58.100 So that, that can set forward times timetables by a lot.

00:50:02.440 However, penicillin is huge.

00:50:05.360 It's huge.

00:50:06.180 And then of course you have Thomas Edison, blah, blah, blah.

00:50:08.240 So what happened here?

00:50:09.500 Why am I bringing up all this, this weird stuff?

00:50:11.180 Because here's what happens.

00:50:12.560 You'll, you could, and this is easier to see when you talk about commie.

00:50:16.160 So first off, like all of our grandparents and stuff in the South being super conservative,

00:50:21.980 if you had said anything bad about FDR to them, uh, they would have, uh, not, they would

00:50:27.420 as well, FDR is the greatest guy in the world.

00:50:29.580 Well, here's the thing.

00:50:30.560 And so the thing, but this is also true everywhere, no matter how, if it's a murderous dictator or whatever,

00:50:36.640 if he was the guy in charge, when they got electricity, they got antibiotics and, and they,

00:50:44.680 they were mechanized or what would he call this, this term when, when, when these, these

00:50:49.900 states go from basically agriculture to industrialized, industrialized.

00:50:54.400 So whoever was in charge at that period, there's going to be like extra love towards them that,

00:51:00.960 that, that, that goes above and beyond.

00:51:02.560 That's why I just want to put that out.

00:51:03.960 That's why there's this, why FDR has this plot armor that it's, it's, I don't really

00:51:08.820 believe it's world war two.

00:51:10.220 The FDR has this special plot armor that it's hard to talk S about.

00:51:15.000 And it would have been for like, literally, if we talked to our great, great, our grandparents,

00:51:18.780 they'd be like, well, what are you talking about?

00:51:20.340 We didn't have light bulbs and now we have light bulbs.

00:51:22.600 He's a great guy.

00:51:23.680 So that's, that's the issue.

00:51:25.500 That's, that's, that's why he has this plot armor.

00:51:28.000 That's this thing with this, this, the, the new deal, the new deal was huge.

00:51:32.540 I mean, people were stuck.

00:51:33.660 People were literally starving and he, this, the one man's got a magic solution.

00:51:39.060 Now, if you know anything about politics, uh, there's nobody like, well, I don't know.

00:51:43.280 I'm going to say that, but however, uh, this, if you're a savvy political actor, you know,

00:51:49.680 this can be converted.

00:51:51.400 Uh, you know, energy can be converted into mass and in the, you can take all this love

00:51:57.660 people had.

00:51:58.320 Oh, we have, now we have, um, we have these roads and we have electricity, light bulbs

00:52:03.120 and, and, or pooping indoors.

00:52:04.980 This is fantastic.

00:52:06.360 Well, plumbing will get you a lot of love.

00:52:08.140 Yeah.

00:52:08.780 Yeah.

00:52:09.340 And he turned this into the thousand year Reich.

00:52:12.160 Um, so yes, the funny thing.

00:52:16.760 And we, we talk like this all the time.

00:52:18.640 We say like, we were like, Lauren said, Lauren said, we were headed into a war.

00:52:22.120 And I was thinking like the road, the war.

00:52:23.680 And it occurs to me like that.

00:52:26.080 You know how the, the joke about, like in a headline and it'll say like the gun went

00:52:29.820 off and someone was shot.

00:52:31.160 Like, that's never how it works.

00:52:32.940 Like we didn't head into a war in world war two.

00:52:36.680 We were directed into a war and we were, that, that was because we were directed into the

00:52:42.340 first world war and 30 or 30 years after the end of the civil war, we have colonial possession

00:52:48.800 6,000 miles away from San Francisco.

00:52:51.520 We're in the Philippines.

00:52:52.780 We're in, we have places in coaling stations in Guam.

00:52:56.220 We're doing all these things.

00:52:57.780 Uh, it's a, it's a ravenous machine that requires permanent growth.

00:53:02.000 So that, that was inevitable.

00:53:04.000 Every, everybody has, everybody has known this about empire.

00:53:06.680 As long as there have been empires, uh, a Persian person from 500 BC could have told you these

00:53:13.100 same things.

00:53:14.380 I, you can, when we're talking about FDR, he needs a Democrat and you have this shift that

00:53:21.060 occurs right after, pretty much right after his death.

00:53:24.280 We're like, not only would everybody around here in the South have voted for FDR, they voted

00:53:30.340 for Democrats forever, going back to when there was a democratic party.

00:53:35.060 It was a solid South.

00:53:36.480 It used to be solidly democratic.

00:53:38.700 And you could say people make a big deal about the parties.

00:53:42.320 They say switching or whatever, but really like we've always been wigs and Democrats or

00:53:48.040 however you want to, everyone to frame this.

00:53:50.060 And like the wigs are always the same kind of people.

00:53:53.260 They, they're in, they like in industry and they like finance and the Democrats, usually

00:54:01.000 more rural agrarian.

00:54:02.940 They have interests in now everything's an industry, but in the 19th century, you had

00:54:09.980 this divide between industry and agriculture.

00:54:12.100 But now like you have...

00:54:13.360 The yeoman farmer.

00:54:14.400 Yes.

00:54:14.800 The Jeffersonian farmer.

00:54:16.040 Exactly.

00:54:16.700 Thank you for bailing me out there.

00:54:17.940 All your economic interests are tied direct, directly into your local area.

00:54:23.460 They have to be.

00:54:24.400 You might not even want it to be that way.

00:54:25.840 Exxon might prefer if they didn't have to ever deal with Texans or whatever again, but

00:54:30.340 that's just not how it works.

00:54:32.120 You got to go where the oil is.

00:54:33.380 Like, um, we were pushed, we were pushed to further expand the empire in the way that

00:54:41.000 we did by the Whig party who won the civil war and they've controlled the country ever

00:54:47.980 since.

00:54:49.120 They pushed us into World War I, same reasons.

00:54:52.300 We have all these loans that we've given to the allied nations.

00:54:56.680 It becomes unclear if they're going to be able to finish the war out and pay back their

00:55:00.580 loans, so hey, how about we jump in and we'll become the premier industrial power.

00:55:05.600 That's technically Third Republic, but this is all setting the stage for the collapse that

00:55:09.620 leads to FDR's reorganization.

00:55:12.620 Oops, we accidentally are at war with Germany.

00:55:15.200 I'm, you know, I hate this more than anybody, guys.

00:55:17.580 FDR really wanted to maintain that isolationist stance that the actual Americans wanted.

00:55:24.920 Right.

00:55:25.460 These people are all the same.

00:55:27.180 I mean...

00:55:27.640 It's not all the same.

00:55:30.300 And this is, this, I think that's part of the lesson here, because here's what can happen.

00:55:35.160 The, what, the bad thing that can happen.

00:55:37.700 And like, um, I, there's this guy on Twitter, he seems like a smart conservative guy, and

00:55:42.180 he is just, uh, balls deep in Hamilton versus Jefferson, Hamilton versus Jefferson, the report

00:55:51.040 on manufacturers and the yeoman farmer and all this stuff.

00:55:55.660 And, you know, they read, they'll read, if you can get into deep reading these books about, about

00:56:02.240 Hamilton and Jefferson, and you think, wow, nothing has ever changed.

00:56:06.800 It's all been the same back to 1776.

00:56:10.040 And maybe you could look, no, it hasn't.

00:56:12.760 You can maybe feel that about certain people's thoughts or whatever.

00:56:15.480 But, uh, if you live in San Francisco and there's random murders going around stabbing people,

00:56:20.980 just like, worry about what's in, like, whatever problems you, you yourself have, whatever you

00:56:27.080 want politically, whatever, like whatever, whatever you think is, whatever is important

00:56:31.340 to you right now.

00:56:32.480 Not in these things in these books.

00:56:34.020 Cause this is like, like, this is where you can just like our, my, Alexander, Hamilton is

00:56:40.960 dead.

00:56:41.560 What I know is I hate this.

00:56:43.460 So I, we have a three thing out of the civil rights, you have trans and you're being taxed

00:56:47.800 to death and inflation is huge.

00:56:49.780 And that's what I'm saying.

00:56:51.920 You know, you get where I'm going.

00:56:53.360 So yeah, it's easy to, it's easy to get ideological and continue to fight along lines of movements

00:57:02.220 that, that no longer really have relevance to your current situation.

00:57:06.520 I can, I can understand that.

00:57:07.800 Yeah.

00:57:08.100 Like, see, I think what Merrick wants to say, and I like, and I don't have a problem with

00:57:12.000 it is like, so the, the nature of man hasn't changed.

00:57:15.340 The nature of evil hasn't changed the nature of the, the, the kind of guys who do things,

00:57:20.580 the, the, the kind of people that are our opponents, they're very similar to other things.

00:57:25.760 However, like, you know, we're playing a different game now than we were before.

00:57:29.880 That's what I'm saying.

00:57:30.640 You agree with that, Merrick?

00:57:34.880 Okay.

00:57:35.900 Yes.

00:57:36.580 I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll agree with it.

00:57:38.720 For the sake of brevity?

00:57:40.260 I don't want to, I don't want to derail it, but me and you will have to argue about this

00:57:43.920 some other time.

00:57:44.440 Next episode of the good old boys.

00:57:46.000 Uh, we, we already know the topic here.

00:57:48.380 Um, uh, so.

00:57:50.580 Are you guys ready to move on to the next one?

00:57:52.820 I'll just, we'll just read out.

00:57:53.780 I'll just read off what Yarvin himself said about the fourth Republic.

00:57:56.800 The real legal nature of the fourth Republic is that like the United Kingdom, it has no

00:58:01.000 constitution.

00:58:02.000 It's legitimacy is defined by a set of precedents written by new deal judges in 1930s.

00:58:06.540 These have obscure names like the footnote for West coast hotel, wickered versus

00:58:11.660 Philborn.

00:58:12.420 I would like to add, this isn't unique to the new deal regime.

00:58:15.900 It was something that had, had been a long time coming ever since Marbury versus

00:58:20.120 Madison when the principle of allowing the courts to legislate, but you know, this was

00:58:26.060 not something that they, the courts were pretty moderate until the civil war.

00:58:32.360 It was after the civil war that really the bureaucracy and the rule by courts were opened

00:58:36.760 up.

00:58:36.920 But even the courts of the second Republic or whatever you want to call it, uh, never went

00:58:42.680 as far as, as the new deal judges dared to go.

00:58:46.440 And this is, uh, I would just say at the end of this, I think that, that this, we don't

00:58:52.780 live in the fourth Republic.

00:58:54.140 Yarvin said, this is like, this is a, this is what the state would live in now.

00:58:57.460 I don't think so.

00:58:58.300 I think there is a fifth Republic and that's where we live now.

00:59:01.280 Uh, the, like the Republican party, the late 19th century, the mid 20th century democratic

00:59:06.300 party benefited a lot from this huge economic boom after world war II that kind of negated

00:59:13.660 the effects of, well, our slur leadership.

00:59:17.400 They had bad leaders, but it didn't matter because everyone was so rich.

00:59:20.860 It was only when we hit hard times again, that they ran into a problem and you have hard

00:59:26.460 times and Lyndon Johnson is the president.

00:59:29.180 What do you get?

00:59:30.520 So, yeah, I wanted to hit that because, okay, so we're, we're, we're going to break from

00:59:34.180 Yarvin here.

00:59:34.640 We're going to say we're in a fifth Republic, um, uh, which I think we, we pretty much all

00:59:38.820 agree with here.

00:59:39.640 So, um, and I'm glad you brought up LBJ because you'll notice that each one of these Republics

00:59:45.180 has been defined basically by an Imperial president, right?

00:59:48.900 You, you have, you know, you, you have, uh, I guess you could say the transition from articles

00:59:54.800 to constitutional, uh, you know, Republic with, with George Washington.

00:59:59.500 And then you obviously have, uh, Jackson, uh, square in the, in the second Republic in the

01:00:05.740 constitutional Republic.

01:00:06.860 Then obviously we have Lincoln, uh, when it comes to the formation of, of the union of

01:00:11.380 the third Republic.

01:00:12.520 Uh, and then we get FDR in, in the fourth Republic.

01:00:15.380 So there's, there's a, there's a great man tied to each one of these.

01:00:19.360 And it's, it's really important because so many people of course, identify the United

01:00:24.620 States with the separation of powers and limited government and conservatives, especially the

01:00:29.820 balance of this.

01:00:30.540 But each one of these kind of big shifts in the way that our nation identified itself, the

01:00:36.460 way that it's legal regime operated, the way that it envisioned, uh, you know, the role of

01:00:40.700 the government, all of these came on the backs of Imperial presidents.

01:00:44.620 And so I think our, our next one is going to of course be, uh, LBJ and the passage of the civil

01:00:51.020 rights, uh, uh, legislation, the introduction of the civil rights regime.

01:00:55.860 Uh, for people who don't know, I've, I've mentioned this many times, but in case you're

01:00:59.480 unfamiliar with this argument, Christopher Caldwell has an amazing book called the age

01:01:03.720 of entitlement, which lays out his argument for why the civil rights, uh, regime was

01:01:10.500 instantiated, uh, basically to, to just summarize in a minute, for those who are unfamiliar,

01:01:15.340 he says, look, civil rights is something that's, it's well-meaning it's there to redress

01:01:20.660 grievances that are legitimate from a specific population that was wrong throughout much of

01:01:25.560 American history.

01:01:26.500 It's totally understandable that there was, you know, that this good faith effort by most

01:01:31.220 Americans to kind of put this into place, but it grew, it became a monster that grew well

01:01:36.920 beyond its scope.

01:01:37.760 It's no longer limited only to, you know, the 15% of the population that were related to

01:01:42.880 historical, uh, you know, slavery or, or racism through Jim Crow.

01:01:46.560 It's grown, it's, it encompasses women and encompasses trans people, encompasses gay people.

01:01:50.960 The majority of the United States is now treated as a minority who receives special, uh, protections

01:01:57.460 under the civil rights regime.

01:01:58.700 And basically this, this collection of legislation and court rulings creates a second constitution,

01:02:05.160 um, that, that completely, uh, allows for a specific group of people in the United States

01:02:11.420 to have very different rights, very different legislation, very different legal procedures

01:02:15.820 than anyone else.

01:02:17.200 And the most important part of this shift in ideology is just like going from the constitution

01:02:26.200 to the union, uh, changed the way that like the, the states had authority over, or rather

01:02:32.640 the central government had its authority over the states.

01:02:35.100 The civil rights revolution changes the interaction that the federal government has with the personal.

01:02:40.600 So before this, the idea that the federal government, that the central government would have the

01:02:46.240 authority to directly involve itself in how you felt about another person or how you opened

01:02:52.200 your home to them or your business, that would not be something that, that the, the government,

01:02:56.880 that their rights of association, there were, you had a personal, you, you might have bad

01:03:02.180 ideas, you might have terrible ideas about, you know, how you should treat other people, but

01:03:06.660 those were your ideas, as long as they did not become a physical manifestation of harm to somebody

01:03:12.060 that was not something the government had the right to do post this, the government now basically

01:03:16.640 had infinite, uh, uh, right to involve itself in pretty much any situation all the way down

01:03:22.320 to the interactions of individual families, because, oh, you might be valid, uh, violating the

01:03:28.040 civil rights of your trans child.

01:03:29.520 So the government needs to seize your kid.

01:03:31.160 And so this is again, another fundamental legal shift in the way that the government is allowed

01:03:35.260 to interact with the individual.

01:03:38.080 You know, the great man theory, I like that.

01:03:42.060 I never, I never honestly thought about it this way, but like, yeah, Johnson is a great

01:03:46.260 man, great in the traditional sense of the word.

01:03:49.060 Like if you look at the figures, okay, Jackson so thoroughly destroys his political enemies

01:03:54.660 that they're, they have to form a new party and they're just in utter chaos.

01:03:59.300 He, a party forms around him that still exists to this day.

01:04:03.200 Lincoln obviously eliminates his political enemies.

01:04:07.020 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:08.380 And did it a little differently, but I also, he basically created a political party that

01:04:12.760 still exists to this day.

01:04:14.900 And then you get to Johnson who not only didn't do that, but he had to, he had to basically

01:04:21.880 resign halfway through what would have been his rule because he's so unpopular that people

01:04:27.700 would want, uh, prefer Richard Nixon or literally anybody to him being president.

01:04:32.880 Like I think that that's, I mean, it is, uh, um, says something about his ability as a politician,

01:04:39.260 which is not very much, but also the state, like where are you at in the empire?

01:04:45.720 This is one of the reasons why the, the theories about turbo America, 4,000 year GAE, whatever.

01:04:52.140 I don't buy it.

01:04:52.860 I think that actually you, the, like the, the apogee of the American empire probably happened

01:04:59.820 probably before Johnson was even president.

01:05:02.660 And we've kind of been running on fumes since then.

01:05:05.060 I, uh, other than that, like how did, how did this transition happen from the civil?

01:05:12.320 Like, cause like, this is a weird transition because it's from the Democrat party to the

01:05:16.440 Democrat party.

01:05:17.120 And these people don't dislike each other necessarily.

01:05:20.160 Like there's no, there's no break between the new deal and Johnson.

01:05:24.880 Like those people don't hate each other a lot.

01:05:26.840 In some cases they were the same people.

01:05:28.480 What was the big difference?

01:05:29.340 Let me help you.

01:05:30.200 Let me help you.

01:05:30.880 Uh, George Wallace and Linda B.

01:05:33.420 Johnson.

01:05:34.360 Sure.

01:05:34.800 But I'm saying, you know, yeah, I get what you're saying, but this is not like we're,

01:05:38.860 you know, Abraham Lincoln throwing people in prison and invading the country or whatever.

01:05:43.280 And, uh, John Quincy Adams and Jackson hate each other.

01:05:47.380 I mean, so I've seen, I mean, the, the, the phone call is, is, you can find the phone call

01:05:52.940 on YouTube where, uh, Johnson threatens to send the military, uh, if Wallace doesn't stand

01:06:00.220 down.

01:06:00.540 So, I mean, it's, there's no problem, you know, what's the difference?

01:06:03.780 They, I mean, they, they had done that already in the fifties and prior in the sixties.

01:06:08.700 And like, this is, there's no, there's no, there's not a, there's not as much of a clean

01:06:11.940 break here, but there is a break for me.

01:06:14.240 Here's, here's the thing.

01:06:15.280 The differences between these two regimes, uh, for the new civil rights regime that we

01:06:19.700 live in today, support of paramilitary and criminal organizations that facilitated power

01:06:25.000 petitioning itself.

01:06:25.980 And what I mean by that, if you're listening to this, you don't know what that means.

01:06:29.300 The civil rights movement, I hate to tell you, uh, if you're one of those people who

01:06:33.600 like the Republican party has always been, you know, Martin Luther King, blah, blah, blah.

01:06:37.760 That was not, there was nothing organic about that.

01:06:40.940 The civil rights movement was financed and organized by one of the political parties.

01:06:46.040 And it was basically a shell game that like, well, we don't really want to make these sweeping

01:06:51.660 changes, but we have to, because this third party is going to burn down all the cities

01:06:56.440 and, and cause havoc if we don't, well, when you're funding and supporting that third

01:07:01.900 party, they're not really a third party.

01:07:04.160 That's why race riots are now a permanent fixture in our politics.

01:07:07.840 And they only swing one way.

01:07:09.480 Like imagine say, I don't know, the current vice president of the United States bailed out

01:07:13.580 race riot or, you know, something like that.

01:07:15.760 You know, weird, weird hypothetical situation.

01:07:18.540 Right, right.

01:07:19.920 Near complete transfer.

01:07:21.580 I'll just, let me describe this and then I'll be done.

01:07:24.240 Near complete transfer of rule from legislature to permanent bureaucracy and court systems,

01:07:29.160 AKA what happens in Congress now means nothing, which is not true in the past.

01:07:34.300 All the work gets done through the executive branch, through permanent bureaucracy and through

01:07:38.660 the court system.

01:07:39.720 Replacement of indigenous population with mass immigration, new voting blocks that you can import

01:07:45.380 if you piss off the people who have lived in the country before.

01:07:49.200 And the continually diminishing IQ of the leadership makes governing harder and harder.

01:07:55.080 I don't think that's a controversial take anymore.

01:07:57.940 No, no.

01:07:58.620 So, and, you know, I can see one of the reasons why people can see this as fuzzy, because if

01:08:05.540 you squint again, well, what's the difference between this and reconstruction or, you know,

01:08:11.040 isn't this just Hamilton and Jefferson?

01:08:13.400 Well, let me go apply for a job at the fire department in 1962 and go apply in 2023.

01:08:20.860 Do things work differently?

01:08:24.600 Well, yeah.

01:08:25.360 Yeah, they do.

01:08:26.420 It is completely different.

01:08:28.860 Now, this is the part that, I mean, so civil rights has become the ultimate easy button.

01:08:37.300 I think that's why I agree with the thing about the margins are getting thinner in America,

01:08:41.700 because, I mean, rulers would prefer to not have to just sort of mash the exception button

01:08:49.400 over and over and over again in your face, which they didn't, as long as they didn't have to.

01:08:54.900 One of the most bizarre things about this, about the civil rights thing, and you could look around,

01:09:01.740 well, like, we didn't really have, they wouldn't really, we didn't have this transgender stuff

01:09:09.140 in the bathroom in the 90s. You didn't have, like, you could apply a job at the, a white guy

01:09:14.240 could get a job at the fire department in the 80s. Like, what's, however, all these decisions were

01:09:20.140 made back in the 60s. Well, yeah, they didn't mash them that hard back then. And, like, the,

01:09:26.500 like, here's the original civil rights act, the OG civil rights act, which, by the way,

01:09:32.640 George Wallace, proud son of South Alabama, the home of America, home of America,

01:09:37.040 the beating heart of America, he said this was going to happen, right? So, so I'm not saying this

01:09:42.900 was a surprise to everyone, but, like, because he, he, he wrote, specifically, he said, this is what's

01:09:50.840 going to happen. Because, like, if you go back to the OG stuff, and people will say, oh, you're

01:09:55.580 against civil rights, so you think it's okay to fire someone for a job that they work hard at,

01:10:03.240 and they're good at, and they're qualified for, even though they're another race. Like,

01:10:08.220 the manager takes out a piece of paper, and he writes down, uh, Bill is black, therefore,

01:10:14.380 he shall no longer work at TGI Fridays. Okay, that's not what it, well, you have that, okay,

01:10:21.460 like, five seconds later, like, really, like, what, six months, a year later, you have, uh,

01:10:27.680 what is it, the electric, the board decision, or what, I don't know, what's his name?

01:10:31.580 Oh, power, uh, Greg, yeah, that's, Greg's is 60, I want to say, like, 60, or it's like 72,

01:10:38.540 it's, it's about five years later, so it's about five years after the, the, uh, 1964 Civil Rights

01:10:44.780 Act that you, that I believe you get, it's, it's, it's like five to seven years that you go without

01:10:50.420 getting basically mandatory racial quotas. Right, and so, and speaking back to the bullet now, the

01:10:55.960 bullet now, probably, well, they probably wait until there was a bullet in George Wallace, but

01:11:01.300 yeah, so, uh, the, the original Civil Rights Act, I mean, we could live under that, I mean, oh, I can't,

01:11:06.700 you can't fire someone because they're, uh, different color, which, by the way, uh, this didn't

01:11:11.340 include women, I mean, that would have been, that would have, I say, it would have been insane, it's the

01:11:16.360 insane reality we live under now, where, uh, over half the population is a protected class, which

01:11:22.500 that's another wonderful, wonderful thing, which our, our great Kurdish Yarvin, uh, wrote that the

01:11:29.660 only, the only comparison there's ever been to a protected class is the samurai in Japan. Uh,

01:11:37.800 I don't know what's up, so every woman you see is, is a samurai warrior. In fact, all three of us,

01:11:44.140 white males here, we are like, I don't know what part, what percent of the population we are left,

01:11:48.840 but, um, is it less than, less than 30? Well, we're the only non-samurais left. Everybody else

01:11:54.720 has got something make protected class. Uh, so, there's a reason that white liberals are pretending

01:12:01.060 that they're, uh, they're pansexual, right? Like, it's good. Just give me anything, anything at all.

01:12:06.240 Have you guys ever seen the movie Lincoln from 2012? Yeah. It's, it's an okay movie, whatever. Daniel Day

01:12:11.560 Lewis is a great actor. There's a great scene in it where Thaddeus Stevens, who was in a certain

01:12:17.920 scene you watch on slow motion replay over and over reaching for the Juergens in 4k. Yeah.

01:12:28.520 Thaddeus, uh, sorry. Thaddeus Stevens was a radical Republican congressman. And in a movie,

01:12:33.660 he plays the role as like, he's link, not Lincoln's type guy. He's the, the, um, progressive

01:12:39.420 firebrand, which he was in real life. And he hit his central conflict in the movie is that

01:12:45.720 he's trying to pass this law, this civil rights, these civil rights laws. And he is like a modern

01:12:53.360 progressive. He's got a, a, a black girlfriend and he wants to, uh, like what we would call equity

01:12:59.620 now. But he has to pretend that he doesn't want that. And he's arguing for equality before the law.

01:13:05.240 Like the, the, the big, his big scene in the movie is he tricks the other congressman into believing

01:13:10.860 that his, that he is supporting that and that you should go along with that. But really, you know,

01:13:16.920 I want what we have in 2023 or 2012. Like that, that's like so funny that they admit that in that

01:13:24.500 movie because like, and that is the, the Trojan horse of their movement. You, and it makes you wonder

01:13:30.420 about the entire project, right? Like the idea of equality before the law, everybody likes that.

01:13:37.160 If you're not everybody, if you're, uh, if you're a person who believes in the rights of an Englishman,

01:13:41.600 if you're a classic American, you like the idea of equality before the law. That is the essence of

01:13:46.680 liberty. But if in practice, equality before the law always degenerates into these unwritten rules that

01:13:54.740 become enforced by, you know, people in, in the, uh, like every, every department that I'm sure that

01:14:02.060 the FDA, that what the FDA does, we know this, they were arguing about whether or not white people

01:14:07.340 should get the bat flu vaccine. You pointed this out or on back in 2020, when this was like a life

01:14:12.860 or death situation, they were saying we should put white people at the back of the line.

01:14:17.300 Yeah. We don't, we don't look at that anymore because a lot of people don't feel great about the

01:14:21.180 vaccine, but yeah, no, that was something that definitely happened. Same thing with

01:14:24.680 the, uh, the, uh, molecule, however you say it, monoclonal antibiotic, uh, treatments that they

01:14:30.380 were, uh, partitioned, they were, they were, uh, handing it out by, by race, um, uh, favoring,

01:14:37.360 uh, people of color. And we, we just don't talk about it because, uh, that's a really awkward

01:14:41.740 thing to acknowledge. But yeah, I'm sure you guys saw the, the report that the reason I brought that

01:14:45.880 up is there's this report that came out, like even, you know, Chris Ruffo was talking about it,

01:14:49.720 where, uh, basically like, uh, since, since the summer of Floyd, uh, all of the S and P

01:14:55.460 100 companies only hired like 6% white people. And the, uh, the, the rest were all of those

01:15:01.480 positions where 94% were filled, uh, by people of color. And here's, Oh, uh, that's, that's an

01:15:07.160 amazing thing that can happen in the civil rights act.

01:15:08.840 So here's the beautiful, the beautiful thing that this is a, I mean, honestly, this is a huge,

01:15:15.720 huge, there's a huge, huge white pill about this. Cause what you'll find what's so, what's so

01:15:20.340 damn maddening about this and what you can see, especially the, if you read Curtis Yarvin's

01:15:26.000 writing, uh, Curtis Yarvin will hammer over and over and over again. He, he keeps talking about,

01:15:31.180 why does he keep talking about this formalism? He keeps saying formalism, formalism. I'm a formalist.

01:15:36.800 And his problem is about the, the, these, the issues with formality, which you'll know.

01:15:41.600 And basically a central theme of his work is that as these republics have gone on, people

01:15:48.240 have found a way to more and more and more shirk responsibility, or in fact, divorce responsibility

01:15:56.080 from power, because if you can have power without responsibility, that's awesome. Uh, people don't

01:16:01.580 know this, but like essentially the monarchy was basically ended voluntarily. These, these Kings

01:16:10.480 were like, well, you know, the light, this, this sucks for my, for all my sons that aren't my first

01:16:16.700 son. Uh, and you know, this is like, it would be like, what if I could just get all my kids sweet

01:16:23.240 jobs with a central government instead of just having every single thing go to my first son and

01:16:28.880 guy, I gotta get just, uh, all this kind of stuff. Like, wouldn't that be, well, I would

01:16:33.880 have a little bit less power, but I'd be a little bit more comfortable. Well, yeah, that's what

01:16:38.120 happens over and over again. Some of this, the rights of all men. Well, what, what, what were

01:16:41.860 your rights? If you didn't appear for longbow duty in, in, in, in downtown, uh, London or

01:16:48.580 whatever, uh, we've, we, we keep sort of losing responsibility, but the beautiful thing about

01:16:53.540 this, there's a, there's an advantage for us. And with that is that this makes these kinds

01:16:58.500 of like power paper thin. If it, I mean, if we lived under a King that was backed by force

01:17:05.160 and military arms, and the only people that had power was the military and the wall was

01:17:11.160 this way, cause they have power over you. Well, you know, that's just kind of is how it

01:17:16.220 is. Maybe try to join the military, but this is all built on paper thin lives. They won't

01:17:21.740 even write a law that, that backs this stuff up. None of this is even in law. You could

01:17:28.140 sort of go back and look at the example of the, uh, well, anyways, let's talk right now.

01:17:33.340 All of this stuff is based on BS judges opinions that could be thrown out tomorrow. It could

01:17:41.760 be thrown out tomorrow. And all we have to do is talk about, all we have to do is talk

01:17:46.060 about. You could look around and I mean, literally the only, like, if you remember, if

01:17:51.600 this, if this stuff, like forget the 14th amendment, all this guys, if you just told

01:17:55.580 me, which by the way, the whole way that the 14th amendment and the civil rights act,

01:17:59.640 they sort of, uh, depending on what you're asking, they will pretend you're like one of

01:18:05.000 them is one and one's the other. But however, like, uh, they won't even pass a law. And by

01:18:09.040 the way, if you told me that all we had to do to end this BS was, uh, and to free the

01:18:14.940 gamers was to pass a law. I'd be like, wow. I don't know. It it's really, really hard

01:18:19.980 to pass a law nowadays. You know, you have to shut down every two minutes and, and they,

01:18:23.900 they were the filibuster. It's so difficult to pass law. We don't even have to do that.

01:18:29.520 We don't even have to do that. All we have to have is, uh, four votes. We, who we got?

01:18:35.780 We got Scalia. We got, uh, Thomas. Uh, we need, we need, we don't got, we don't got Scalia.

01:18:43.140 I'm sorry. I'm going to need some smelling salts to get Scalia. Alito. Alito. I always

01:18:47.280 mix up the two Italian, uh, we need Alito, Thomas, and three other souls to basic, to

01:18:54.700 not pass the law, do nothing. And it's over. It's over. It's over. Yeah. You're right.

01:19:00.340 It's three, not four Alito's Alito. By the way, we don't even have to do that. We don't

01:19:06.280 even have to do that. Look at what Chris Rufo is doing. If you take it, these things were

01:19:11.640 never challenged. And what we're going to find is over and over again, these people,

01:19:15.720 the, the sort of, uh, uh, right wing, uh, influencers, the elites that we had from the

01:19:20.540 nineties and the two thousands, they just covered their eyes and suck their head in the sand,

01:19:24.400 pretend this stuff doesn't exist. If you challenge this stuff, it falls apart. These people run

01:19:30.180 away. They run away. They don't have any backbone to back this stuff up. All you it's, it's just

01:19:36.560 so easy. Sometimes they do like, you know, they're, they're throwing people in jail for 20

01:19:41.220 years for, for trespassing on the Capitol, but that is his own, go grab the biggest lib

01:19:45.920 in your life and ask them like, ask them how they feel about these, these, uh, anything,

01:19:50.800 any of these things. And they start getting mealy mouth immediately. Well, what do you,

01:19:55.100 what is actually a woman? I don't know. They, they just, they run away. They have, there's

01:19:59.640 nothing behind because it's, they don't rule like us. They don't think like us. They're not

01:20:03.580 going to say, no, this is right and wrong. And you won't do this. They just going to run

01:20:07.800 and hide and try to ban your account and all this stuff and all. Yes. Well, the, the formalism

01:20:12.920 thing is important because let me use the analogy the other day on the GOB. It's like, there might

01:20:17.420 be a six foot three guy in your, in your high school class or whatever, but he doesn't know

01:20:22.200 how to fight. And if you make, if you make them like demonstrate his power, rather than just stand

01:20:27.200 around and, and, and threaten you, you're going to find out how strong he is. And this is what,

01:20:31.420 this is what's happening to them right now. Are they able to do what a lot of people call the

01:20:37.340 turbo lib America or whatever? I don't, I don't think so. It's, it's possible. Cause I mean,

01:20:42.900 you know, this it's, it's, it's, it's worked for them in the past. Eventually it won't. Is that now

01:20:47.380 or is that 50 years from now? I don't know, but I got to say what I've seen from them in the last

01:20:52.820 few years. I, I don't think that they're like the judo experts. I think they might have a glass jaw

01:20:59.560 because they're not doing a very good job of anything really not aside from like throwing

01:21:06.120 people in jail, like throwing grandmas in jail for dressing up and going into the Capitol

01:21:12.000 building. That's, you know, people say that's meant to chill you and scare you, I guess, but

01:21:18.820 I don't know that game plan to begin with. Yeah. And I mean, you're just, when you're, you're doing

01:21:25.240 that, you're not scaring me. You're just making boomers angry. Like boomers are really angry about

01:21:31.240 you. If you've talked to a boomer in real life, but especially cause Southern conservative one,

01:21:34.780 they're fed posting like crazy. They're saying stuff that, you know, uh, I would not, I would

01:21:40.100 not dare say in public. They're just spouting that stuff off on Facebook, VFW lodge or whatever.

01:21:46.400 They're going buck wild because yeah, because they don't get it. Those VFW lodges. Now it's

01:21:51.440 on Facebook. That's right. Because they don't get it. They're back in this old role. And when

01:21:55.860 they're thinking about things as the way they used to, they thinking that, that, that libs rule

01:22:00.260 the same, the same way we do like, uh, literally every nickel you would spend on whatever kind

01:22:07.200 of ammunition or whatever in the world is you're thinking about to, to, to, to, to stop

01:22:12.500 this machine. Uh, you, there are good people that they're doing things and you could give

01:22:18.860 them money and they're going to use it. If they're going to give it to lawyers, stuff like

01:22:22.340 that. It's, it's really look at the things that Rufo doing. These people are just running

01:22:27.120 away. Um, it it's, I don't know. It's, however, the only main thing I wanted to add is that you

01:22:33.880 may be listening to this and you're not American. You might be thinking, well, sorry, I don't live

01:22:39.580 in America. Uh, so, well, you know, what's the problem? Well, you may notice that a big part of

01:22:45.220 this story is America, you know, back going back to the, well, should we have a standing army or not?

01:22:50.660 You may notice that countries that don't have empires, they don't need a standing army with,

01:22:54.800 if they get invaded, they, they, they, they do a roll call. They, they send out the draft notices.

01:23:00.060 They hand everybody a rifle. They tell you to stand over here and you wait, you have a Navy,

01:23:04.020 but you don't have an army. Well, if you have an empire, you have an army. Well, we have an empire.

01:23:07.360 And so you like, on, like all this stuff applies to you until it ends here.

01:23:15.540 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. If you live in Europe, you are under our umbrella. No, maybe not umbrella.

01:23:21.400 You're, you're, you're in, you're in our shadow for good or bad. Yeah, no, there's, you, it's funny if

01:23:26.180 you, you know, been over to the UK a couple of times now and how many people, if you like,

01:23:30.040 yeah, so satellite of the empire. And they're like, yeah, yeah, we know. You know what the,

01:23:34.720 I mean the result of the, the, what are the Newton shooting or I can't, which one of these,

01:23:38.600 uh, uh, Norway or Sweden banned guns. And there's, if you know anything about how these countries are,

01:23:48.660 yeah. Uh, no, I mean, there was a, well, there was, there was a different, this one was later

01:23:54.600 on. Okay. So this must've been Sweden because, uh, Norway must've done because Bravix. So this

01:23:58.740 one was later on and, uh, there was a shooting in new England and Sweden. The BLM movement was

01:24:05.460 big in Europe, like in places where they, they don't even have, uh, BLs, right. They, they were

01:24:12.600 putting up the flags and having protests and stuff. Yeah. You, whether you like it or not,

01:24:16.600 you have to put up with us, we're Americans. Yeah. So all this stuff applies to you guys.

01:24:22.320 I wish it didn't. I wish it didn't. I mean, look at like the last, the last place with any

01:24:28.460 kind of protective candy Cody shell is Japan. And it just bothers libs so much that Japan

01:24:35.280 existed as an example of, uh, of a homogenous society. I don't know if you've seen all this

01:24:40.580 article a week that they write angry about that. Just, just somebody is always peeling

01:24:44.920 off an article about that. Gay marriage, still not legal in Japan. Gay marriage. Yeah.

01:24:49.080 It's not, they don't, they don't do that. I think it's legal now. I don't think so. I don't

01:24:54.900 think so at all. I'm not sure there was a small, there was a, they said, well, a court

01:24:58.840 just legalized it, but it was some kind of like, um, you know, it had no, no power at

01:25:03.260 all. All right guys. Well, I think we've covered our, our five Republics here. So, uh, we got

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01:26:36.960 as a U S history teacher, what is your opinion of mole bugs, mainland Protestant theory and

01:26:41.100 the American revolution debunking? Are you a Tory? Uh, so this is going to be, uh, we don't

01:26:46.380 have time for Mark to get angry about this. So, uh, I'll, I'll just say, uh, quickly that

01:26:55.400 there is some truth to that theory. Uh, but it is incomplete. Uh, the, the problem with

01:27:01.380 that theory is that, uh, I always, I always use the, I always pivot to Oswald Spangler

01:27:06.800 and his idea that every, every, um, every civilization will produce its antithesis. You

01:27:14.720 know, you'll create your own bizarro, you know, like every superhero has like a, a, a,

01:27:19.380 a, a inversion of them. That's one of their arch nemesis. And this is true of America.

01:27:24.260 Like, um, yes, like Protestantism does have this tendency and yes, it can move you in a

01:27:31.020 particular direction. However, I don't think that progressivism is Protestantism any more

01:27:36.780 than I think Stoicism was, was, you know, exactly the same thing as the Roman religion

01:27:41.800 or, you know, like any of, any of the, um, any of the examples that Spangler uses of kind

01:27:48.320 of like how, how these things end up, uh, mirroring themselves. So I think there's, there,

01:27:52.820 there are some, there's truth that roots exist there. There's connective tissue there,

01:27:56.560 but I don't think it's inevitable in the sense that like, oh, well, if you're going to be

01:28:00.200 American, you'll just, you'll just end up woke. That's, um, I don't, uh, tie to that.

01:28:05.180 When you, when Chinese created Confucianism, like five minutes later, you have Taoism enter

01:28:12.260 and it's just the opposite. And, uh, yeah, you're, you're, you're, everything, everything

01:28:18.440 has this.

01:28:19.040 There are people who think that certain political philosophies are the result of certain religions.

01:28:24.860 And I believe that he wrote that stuff the way he did to discourage people from, from

01:28:31.140 doing that and by like changing the subject. And I don't, I don't, even he doesn't talk

01:28:35.740 about this stuff anymore.

01:28:36.640 I mean, put it another way, when you have the global American empire, uh, all the bad things,

01:28:43.340 the, the, the main dominant ideologies are going to be super American. They're not going

01:28:48.200 to be Chinese. They're not going to be Italian. I mean, they're going to be super English in

01:28:52.460 fact. Uh, but sorry, I have to say, uh, Charles Haywood is in the house and I hope you have him

01:28:58.140 on at some point to discuss that banger debate. He had with, with two guys that had no business

01:29:05.620 being talking about politics. I'm sorry. I don't know if you know those guys, I'm not trying

01:29:09.240 to start heat or whatever. I am familiar. Uh, I found out local was Canadian after I had already

01:29:14.360 debated him twice. And I was like, what, why, I mean, why is this even relevant? Especially the

01:29:20.700 shins he got. I mean, if I were going to leave, leave my kids with someone or do all kinds of

01:29:26.640 wonderful things. I mean, they, they would be perfect for it. Maybe not politics. All right.

01:29:32.420 Evan M here, uh, for five Canadian, I think it was Samuel Adams, not Patrick Henry, who wanted

01:29:38.100 everyone's head after Shane's rebellion. Yes. Thank you. You, I believe you're right about

01:29:41.520 that. Um, you know, from, from the, uh, uh, uh, from the Boston revolution to, uh, we need

01:29:48.260 to wipe out, uh, all, all these revolutionaries, but yeah, no, that was interesting because him

01:29:52.660 and Hancock were on other sides of this. I mean, John Hancock became the governor of Massachusetts,

01:29:57.660 uh, on the back of the fact that he was not for wiping out basically everybody involved

01:30:03.640 with Shane's rebellion, though. I think he made that choice more as a political maneuver

01:30:07.700 and less as like a, like an endorsement of Shane's rebellion. But yeah, there, there

01:30:12.260 was, again, when we talk about the founding fathers, this is a monolithic group. Uh, we,

01:30:16.600 we often ignore the fact that there were deep and, uh, uh, uh, serious disagreements with

01:30:21.680 them about all kinds of things, including whether or not, you know, people should have the right

01:30:26.040 to, uh, you know, uh, protest their government in the way that they had processed in England,

01:30:30.220 our Catalan conspiracy. Yeah. There you go. Uh, death for $5. Uh, y'all dropped this

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01:30:43.960 Mike Oxlong for four 99 already a patron, but I always click on the good old boys related,

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The Five Republics of the United States ｜ Guest： The Good Ol Boyz ｜ 9⧸28⧸23

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