The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 25, 2025


The Israel-Iran War Did Not Take Place | Guest: The Prudentialist | 6⧸25⧸25


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The Iran-Israel conflict seems to be in a cease-fire for the moment, which is a good thing. But what does that mean for the future of peace in the Middle East? And what does it mean for America's relationship with Israel and Iran?

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00:01:24.440 All right, guys, so you may have noticed
00:01:27.780 that over the last few days, pretty much every show
00:01:30.940 in the news sphere has been about the Iran-Israel war
00:01:35.880 and this is not a breaking news channel.
00:01:38.740 That's not really what we do here.
00:01:39.960 There are many people who do that and they do that well
00:01:41.900 and God bless them.
00:01:42.940 They're definitely doing an important service
00:01:44.820 but in my view, a lot of times when you're trying
00:01:48.160 to do accurate analysis, being right on top of the issue
00:01:51.200 is really detrimental, it's very easy to get caught up
00:01:54.080 in the emotion, it's very easy to have your understanding
00:01:58.160 overridden by whatever event is currently getting splashed
00:02:01.420 upon the news page and most importantly,
00:02:03.880 what is increasingly true is the information we're receiving
00:02:07.060 is just changing constantly, often is false
00:02:10.760 and immediately gets corrected or rewritten in real time
00:02:13.700 and this makes it very difficult to look at any given event
00:02:16.680 and immediately give your analysis because if you do,
00:02:19.580 you're probably working on entirely incomplete
00:02:21.600 or intentionally false information that really makes it difficult
00:02:25.040 to get a real picture of what's going on
00:02:27.060 and again, that's not an accident, that's in many cases
00:02:29.820 what the participants involved in the conflict want
00:02:32.440 in the media sphere.
00:02:34.060 So I'm gonna talk a little bit about what we know
00:02:36.660 now that the Iran-Israel conflict seems to be
00:02:39.300 in a ceasefire for the moment
00:02:41.160 and joining me today is one of our favorite returning guests,
00:02:44.860 Mr. Prudentialist, thanks for coming on, man.
00:02:46.780 Thanks for having me on, Oren, it's always a pleasure.
00:02:49.580 So I guess we'll kind of start at the beginning.
00:02:54.440 A few weeks ago was the capacity of Iran
00:02:59.520 to fire nuclear weapons at the US
00:03:01.600 something that we were particularly concerned at.
00:03:03.940 I don't remember hearing anyone talking about
00:03:06.140 the desperate need to get rid of Iran's nuclear capacity 0.99
00:03:10.920 just a month ago
00:03:12.540 and yet now it is the most pressing issue
00:03:15.520 facing all of America.
00:03:17.300 Seems a little strange, no?
00:03:18.860 Partially, yeah.
00:03:21.140 I mean, this feels a very deja vu moment
00:03:23.280 because I recall in the 2016 election
00:03:26.200 that many on the left
00:03:27.960 and sort of the libertarian stripes
00:03:30.020 are very concerned that Trump would be the war candidate
00:03:33.080 despite him openly campaigning on, you know,
00:03:36.140 the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan being mistakes
00:03:38.640 and, you know, criticizing George W. Bush
00:03:41.360 and being a repudiation of Barack Obama.
00:03:43.140 And even then he had claimed himself
00:03:45.480 to be the peace candidate in the 2024 election
00:03:48.820 and he had claimed in 2020
00:03:50.360 that he didn't start any new conflict.
00:03:52.640 So, yeah, this is, it seems very out of the blue
00:03:55.100 because we were talking about everything
00:03:57.500 from immigration and visas
00:03:59.520 and we were just on a few weeks ago
00:04:01.760 talking about the Los Angeles riots
00:04:03.500 and the very real ethnic fifth column 0.93
00:04:05.880 that is attacking the United States.
00:04:07.400 And then on a dime, we went to
00:04:09.080 Iran has nuclear weapons capability.
00:04:11.620 We must strike now.
00:04:12.820 America must get involved.
00:04:14.560 And this is so frustrating
00:04:16.320 because I think for the majority of Trump supporters,
00:04:19.600 they understand that, of course,
00:04:22.120 international issues matter.
00:04:24.060 We're not pretending,
00:04:25.240 you certainly are not pretending
00:04:26.320 that geopolitical issues don't matter.
00:04:28.660 But they know that many of these geopolitical issues
00:04:31.860 have been used to try to distract from the fact
00:04:35.180 that especially Republicans
00:04:36.700 are not delivering domestically.
00:04:38.460 They'll talk a good game about immigration 0.99
00:04:40.460 or these different issues,
00:04:42.180 but ultimately very little gets done.
00:04:44.640 And the only thing that consistently gets acted upon
00:04:46.940 is the concerns of the international sphere
00:04:50.420 rather than the domestic sphere.
00:04:52.400 Again, not pretending that a nuclear weapon in Iran
00:04:55.660 doesn't matter at all.
00:04:56.760 Trump has been pretty staunchly against them
00:04:59.260 having the ability,
00:05:00.860 but we heard from Tulsi Gabbard in March
00:05:02.860 that while Iran was enriching
00:05:05.980 an unprecedented amount of uranium,
00:05:08.700 that ultimately this was not a good thing,
00:05:11.420 but there was no delivery mechanism,
00:05:13.980 that the bomb was not in sight.
00:05:15.780 There's no real functional weapons program.
00:05:18.460 Now, I understand things can change.
00:05:20.140 There might be better intelligence,
00:05:21.660 but again, it feels like the timeline went from
00:05:24.200 we don't have to worry about this
00:05:25.600 for at least years to we have to worry about this immediately.
00:05:29.020 And this comes right on the heels,
00:05:30.680 as you point out, of the L.A. protests
00:05:34.240 or full-on immigration riots,
00:05:36.680 the attempt by Democrats to obviously spread those
00:05:38.920 across the country.
00:05:39.560 It looked for a minute like we were really pushing
00:05:41.940 towards a new summer of love along immigration grounds
00:05:45.540 instead of George Floyd and police violence
00:05:48.920 or whatever, those kind of things.
00:05:50.160 And all of a sudden this attack has to happen.
00:05:54.120 Israel launches this fight.
00:05:56.040 Now, the timing is very interesting
00:05:57.980 because, of course, a lot of people have pointed out
00:06:00.800 that Netanyahu is in a very perilous place domestically.
00:06:05.000 And that's really important to understand
00:06:06.480 when we're looking at the nature of this conflict.
00:06:08.800 This is a guy who has been in power for a long time,
00:06:12.160 but has increasingly found his political future
00:06:14.620 to be pretty dicey.
00:06:16.380 I think if I heard correctly,
00:06:18.100 he was just a few votes away from possibly losing power
00:06:21.180 right before the strike occurred.
00:06:23.600 And so in many ways,
00:06:24.600 this feels a little bit like Caesar deciding he has to march
00:06:27.720 because otherwise he's going to face criminal prosecution.
00:06:31.100 This became Bibi Netanyahu's most important thing. 0.93
00:06:35.440 And so for some reason,
00:06:36.560 all of a sudden it became very important
00:06:37.820 for America to be involved.
00:06:39.460 But that feels like a very bad decision
00:06:41.900 to take our eye off the ball domestically
00:06:44.420 just because a guy in a different country
00:06:47.020 is having domestic political issues.
00:06:49.160 Yeah, foreign policy for presidents
00:06:51.160 has always historically been seen
00:06:53.040 as the place to go to
00:06:54.720 when things are not going well domestically
00:06:57.200 or you don't have the political capital
00:06:59.840 to push what we have.
00:07:00.920 And I think that for both Trump as well as Netanyahu,
00:07:04.900 you kind of see some very different
00:07:06.300 domestic political situations at home.
00:07:08.480 I mean, for the United States Congress,
00:07:11.480 we're on what, the 119th U.S. Congress, right?
00:07:14.120 Only five pieces of legislation
00:07:16.660 have been signed by the president.
00:07:18.640 There's one more awaiting his signature,
00:07:21.840 changing the Controlled Substances Act
00:07:23.520 with regards to fentanyl.
00:07:24.980 And we're still, of course,
00:07:25.780 debating over this big, beautiful bill.
00:07:27.700 And there's a lot of problems
00:07:28.580 that are still inside that,
00:07:29.960 especially with the Senate judiciary
00:07:31.840 striking a lot of the Enabling Act provisions
00:07:34.540 that would allow us to bypass
00:07:36.280 and step over these activist district court judges. 1.00
00:07:40.240 And so that's on our end here.
00:07:41.860 And then, of course, for Netanyahu,
00:07:43.100 both prior to October 7th, 2023,
00:07:45.820 you had widespread protests in his country
00:07:47.620 for these judicial reforms
00:07:48.780 that many left-wing Israeli pundits
00:07:52.620 had claimed was going to entrench
00:07:54.360 his political party
00:07:56.080 and by extension Netanyahu
00:07:57.300 into further political power.
00:07:58.800 And then the recent loss
00:08:00.320 or almost near loss of his government
00:08:02.080 prior to the strikes
00:08:03.020 in this ongoing conflict.
00:08:04.140 And now the absolute banging of the drums
00:08:07.460 and the rattling of sabers
00:08:08.980 between these two nations,
00:08:11.360 it feels very different
00:08:12.940 from any sort of, you know, strikes,
00:08:14.540 even like when we had Trump
00:08:15.980 and his first administration
00:08:16.940 had killed General Soleimani.
00:08:18.520 This seems very more recent
00:08:19.900 and with a very concerted effort
00:08:21.460 to get America involved.
00:08:23.400 And of course,
00:08:24.320 there's a very complicated relationship
00:08:25.720 between these two countries.
00:08:26.920 There's a very strong lobbying presence as well.
00:08:29.440 And so it felt like for a lot of people,
00:08:32.360 and this is, again,
00:08:32.860 the problem with sort of trying
00:08:33.900 to run punditry and coverage
00:08:36.020 on the daily news cycle
00:08:37.680 is because, you know,
00:08:39.380 it feels like a relic
00:08:40.400 of daytime television
00:08:41.360 when you had three or four pundits
00:08:43.000 that you could effectively rely on
00:08:44.460 and information traveled slower.
00:08:45.920 But now that we have Twitter
00:08:47.420 and social media and Telegram
00:08:48.880 and everything else like that,
00:08:50.280 it's very difficult to stay stable
00:08:51.920 or even have a coherent message on board
00:08:54.260 when the details can change
00:08:55.780 in literal seconds
00:08:56.820 as new, you know,
00:08:58.520 videos and feed
00:08:59.580 and claims from intelligence
00:09:00.940 or other operatives
00:09:02.640 will give you new information
00:09:04.000 on the ground.
00:09:04.540 So it's very hard for us
00:09:05.340 to be able to really discern
00:09:07.180 what's actually happening.
00:09:08.680 And even now
00:09:09.280 in the American, you know,
00:09:10.460 mainstream media,
00:09:11.340 you've had these leaked
00:09:13.000 intelligence reports
00:09:14.240 that even the vice president,
00:09:15.740 J.D. Vance,
00:09:16.260 has had to come out
00:09:16.780 and say that these were
00:09:17.640 incomplete briefings.
00:09:19.180 These were things
00:09:19.860 that are not necessarily true
00:09:22.340 because the through line right now
00:09:24.000 out of the Trump administration
00:09:25.360 and the White House
00:09:25.980 has been the strikes
00:09:27.540 that the United States
00:09:28.320 has conducted
00:09:28.860 on Iranian nuclear facilities
00:09:29.940 has destroyed Iran's capability 0.98
00:09:32.700 of enriching weapons-grade
00:09:34.600 fissile material.
00:09:35.880 And others are saying
00:09:37.040 in the mainstream media
00:09:37.740 that that's not really true,
00:09:39.400 which to me sounds like
00:09:40.780 this administration
00:09:41.820 wants an out.
00:09:42.800 It wants an off-ramp
00:09:43.920 for negotiation
00:09:44.760 or an off-ramp for peace
00:09:46.100 while there are those
00:09:47.460 inside this government
00:09:48.340 and those inside
00:09:49.360 the establishment press
00:09:50.400 that would really like
00:09:51.580 to see this continue.
00:09:52.700 So we're in a really perilous
00:09:54.060 position in that regard
00:09:55.180 because getting effective,
00:09:57.520 factual information
00:09:58.360 from any party
00:09:59.120 is almost all but impossible.
00:10:01.300 And that's why
00:10:02.060 I made the Baudrillard reference
00:10:03.380 for the thumbnail
00:10:04.520 and the name of this.
00:10:05.600 We don't have to,
00:10:06.100 you know,
00:10:06.360 stick entirely in that frame,
00:10:08.020 but famously,
00:10:09.000 he wrote an essay about,
00:10:10.520 you know,
00:10:10.660 the Gulf War
00:10:11.200 did not take place.
00:10:12.420 And one of the main points
00:10:13.480 of that was that,
00:10:15.020 yes, of course,
00:10:15.540 there was a real conflict,
00:10:16.740 but ultimately,
00:10:17.640 for most people
00:10:18.460 who were involved,
00:10:19.880 it was a hyper-real situation
00:10:21.540 where they were not
00:10:22.600 connected to the war.
00:10:23.520 They didn't understand
00:10:24.260 anything directly
00:10:25.640 about the war.
00:10:26.400 The war happened on television
00:10:28.120 for the vast majority of people
00:10:29.820 and their understanding
00:10:30.860 was built on television.
00:10:32.460 And from the very beginning
00:10:33.660 of this conflict,
00:10:34.580 it felt like a war
00:10:37.520 that was entirely manufactured
00:10:39.660 to drive political opinion
00:10:42.120 one way or the other.
00:10:43.120 Public opinion
00:10:43.760 was actually the main point
00:10:45.560 of the war,
00:10:46.380 not the strikes themselves.
00:10:47.680 Because as you point out,
00:10:48.880 originally,
00:10:49.520 you know,
00:10:49.660 the original line
00:10:50.340 that we heard
00:10:50.900 from people
00:10:51.420 who were involved
00:10:52.220 in kind of encouraging
00:10:53.840 this strike was,
00:10:55.500 well,
00:10:55.680 Israel can do it alone. 0.99
00:10:56.760 You guys don't need to worry
00:10:57.740 because Israel is capable
00:10:59.380 of doing it alone.
00:11:00.440 And, you know,
00:11:01.300 that's a relatively winning
00:11:02.600 argument for me
00:11:03.420 because I don't want
00:11:04.640 to be involved
00:11:05.320 in other people's wars,
00:11:06.840 just in general.
00:11:07.660 If you're a nation,
00:11:09.280 a sovereign nation
00:11:09.980 who feels that you have
00:11:11.380 an existential threat
00:11:12.440 from Iran,
00:11:13.820 well,
00:11:14.160 then I guess you need
00:11:15.040 to make a decision,
00:11:15.880 a cost-benefit analysis
00:11:16.960 of whether going to war
00:11:18.140 is right for you.
00:11:19.220 What I don't need
00:11:19.760 is to be dragged into this.
00:11:21.140 And so originally,
00:11:21.760 when the selling point was,
00:11:23.260 well,
00:11:23.740 you know,
00:11:24.180 Israel is going to do 1.00
00:11:24.860 this by itself.
00:11:25.740 You don't need
00:11:26.160 to worry about it.
00:11:27.280 Okay, great.
00:11:28.340 But we all had that feeling,
00:11:29.840 you know,
00:11:30.140 many of us have seen
00:11:30.980 this movie before,
00:11:32.300 that perhaps that would
00:11:33.320 not be the end of it.
00:11:34.140 So the, you know,
00:11:34.800 the original stance,
00:11:36.520 I think for many people
00:11:37.980 in the new right,
00:11:39.560 the MAGA right,
00:11:40.400 you know,
00:11:40.620 whatever you want
00:11:41.680 to call it,
00:11:42.440 was fine,
00:11:43.640 Israel can do 0.91
00:11:44.320 what it needs to,
00:11:45.240 don't come to us,
00:11:46.220 right?
00:11:46.580 That's what we want
00:11:47.420 to hear.
00:11:48.200 But please,
00:11:48.920 let's be clear,
00:11:49.820 we are not interested
00:11:50.720 in any getting involved,
00:11:52.180 we're not interested
00:11:52.660 in regime change,
00:11:53.500 any of this stuff.
00:11:54.760 Then the narrative
00:11:56.000 shifted to,
00:11:56.840 well,
00:11:57.700 Israel can do 0.91
00:11:58.440 most of it,
00:11:59.260 but it needs
00:11:59.820 this one specific weapon.
00:12:01.780 And it's like,
00:12:02.380 but does it,
00:12:03.640 like,
00:12:04.160 I'm somewhat doubtful,
00:12:05.600 but okay.
00:12:06.580 And all of a sudden
00:12:07.460 we have the idea,
00:12:08.480 okay,
00:12:08.680 well,
00:12:08.880 America is going to engage
00:12:10.040 in limited strikes,
00:12:11.640 right?
00:12:12.020 It's going to,
00:12:12.360 it's going to only
00:12:12.980 be involved in this
00:12:13.780 one thing that only
00:12:15.220 it can do,
00:12:15.820 and otherwise
00:12:16.320 you walk away.
00:12:17.440 Then we start hearing
00:12:18.380 actually no regime change
00:12:19.880 is the goal
00:12:20.860 from guys like Ted Cruz
00:12:22.040 and Lindsey Graham, 0.96
00:12:23.620 Netanyahu himself,
00:12:24.940 make it explicit
00:12:25.600 that actually no,
00:12:26.500 it's not about a,
00:12:28.120 just getting rid of
00:12:28.720 the nuclear capacity.
00:12:29.860 It's not about just
00:12:30.900 having America
00:12:31.500 jump in for a minute.
00:12:32.760 We are looking
00:12:33.660 at regime change wars.
00:12:35.100 And of course,
00:12:35.700 regime change wars
00:12:36.660 mean America
00:12:37.640 because Israel
00:12:38.420 simply does not have
00:12:39.500 the geopolitical heft
00:12:40.540 or the logistical ability
00:12:42.420 or really the political
00:12:44.260 will to occupy Iran 1.00
00:12:46.640 and completely,
00:12:48.000 you know,
00:12:48.500 spend generations
00:12:49.460 transforming that nation
00:12:50.560 and simply doesn't exist.
00:12:52.420 And so if you're saying
00:12:53.440 regime change war,
00:12:54.300 what you're saying is
00:12:55.040 we're going to make a mess
00:12:56.160 and we expect the United
00:12:57.240 States to clean it up.
00:12:58.640 And this is where I think
00:12:59.540 a lot of Trump supporters
00:13:00.440 really got very heated.
00:13:02.780 You know,
00:13:02.940 you got guys like Bannon
00:13:04.340 just running out,
00:13:05.380 you know,
00:13:05.540 Tucker Carlson saying,
00:13:06.520 we need to stop this.
00:13:07.840 We need to like,
00:13:08.420 we know where this is going
00:13:09.520 and it needs to stop now.
00:13:11.100 And so there's just this
00:13:12.300 constantly evolving
00:13:13.640 understanding of what
00:13:15.260 we were committing to,
00:13:16.320 if we were committing
00:13:16.980 to anything,
00:13:17.920 whether we had even
00:13:18.680 involved ourselves.
00:13:20.660 This constant confusion
00:13:21.760 was, I think,
00:13:22.520 intentional for a number
00:13:24.240 of people because
00:13:24.980 they wanted to more or less
00:13:26.360 sleepwalk the United States
00:13:27.800 into this extended conflict.
00:13:29.480 The good news is that
00:13:30.480 for now,
00:13:31.260 that seems to not be the case.
00:13:33.220 But I think without
00:13:34.360 that constant pressure
00:13:35.540 from Trump's base,
00:13:36.660 we might have seen
00:13:37.480 something very different occur.
00:13:39.620 Yeah,
00:13:40.100 and I think that that's
00:13:40.760 sort of been
00:13:41.540 the great media spectacle
00:13:43.720 out of the last week,
00:13:45.220 two weeks or so,
00:13:46.220 has been this conversation
00:13:48.000 that feels like A-B testing,
00:13:50.680 where how much influence
00:13:52.260 does the, you know,
00:13:54.080 media or the base have
00:13:55.700 compared to those
00:13:56.920 that are really interested
00:13:58.480 in getting the United States
00:13:59.880 dragged into another conflict
00:14:01.920 in the Middle East.
00:14:03.600 And I mean,
00:14:04.100 for anyone, you know,
00:14:05.460 your age or under my age,
00:14:06.940 like,
00:14:07.100 there's this distinct,
00:14:07.960 like,
00:14:08.380 lifetime memory
00:14:09.540 of American military
00:14:11.420 intervention
00:14:11.920 from the first Gulf War
00:14:13.980 to Iraq,
00:14:15.040 Afghanistan,
00:14:16.060 Syria,
00:14:16.600 fighting ISIS,
00:14:17.220 and now potentially this.
00:14:19.300 And, you know,
00:14:19.820 there's been a lot of pushback
00:14:21.060 from everyone,
00:14:22.060 ranging from Tucker Carlson
00:14:23.220 to leaks coming out
00:14:24.540 saying that J.D. Vance
00:14:25.580 was a prominent voice
00:14:26.400 against intervening.
00:14:27.480 How true that may be
00:14:28.460 remains to be seen
00:14:29.280 other than trying to divide
00:14:30.480 the internal coalition
00:14:32.140 of Trump's,
00:14:33.280 you know,
00:14:34.040 cabinet
00:14:34.640 between his vice president,
00:14:35.840 his defense secretary,
00:14:36.740 secretary of state,
00:14:37.480 and the rest.
00:14:38.440 And then on top of that,
00:14:40.100 you've got,
00:14:40.680 you know,
00:14:40.900 people like Lindsey Graham,
00:14:43.280 you know,
00:14:43.900 cheering for joy
00:14:44.920 as he tends to.
00:14:46.120 I mean,
00:14:46.300 we've seen an evolution
00:14:47.220 of that great
00:14:47.920 Holden Bloodfeast meme
00:14:49.280 that everyone likes to post
00:14:50.460 of this ancient senator
00:14:51.800 who just wants to see
00:14:52.760 Iran bomb before he dies. 0.60
00:14:54.880 And, you know, 0.99
00:14:55.400 so I'm sure that
00:14:56.020 Holden Bloodfeast
00:14:56.700 can, you know,
00:14:57.280 die happy now
00:14:58.020 that he's seen that.
00:14:58.800 But for people
00:14:59.460 like Lindsey Graham,
00:15:00.140 there's been this great push
00:15:00.960 for regime change.
00:15:03.380 And, you know,
00:15:03.940 there's a lack of nuance here
00:15:05.720 because even from there
00:15:07.020 you've had,
00:15:07.640 you know,
00:15:08.840 fellow commentators
00:15:09.700 go on saying like,
00:15:10.500 well,
00:15:10.560 we need to just trust
00:15:11.440 the plan,
00:15:12.280 so to speak,
00:15:12.800 and let this go out.
00:15:13.820 Don't panic or whatever.
00:15:15.380 And these become
00:15:16.060 these sort of
00:15:16.500 thought-terminating cliches
00:15:18.160 that really prevent
00:15:19.140 any sort of discussion
00:15:20.200 from interrogating
00:15:21.900 what is the quid pro quo
00:15:23.460 behind this.
00:15:24.900 You know,
00:15:25.240 you've now seen
00:15:26.040 sort of this push now
00:15:27.420 back towards
00:15:28.440 the big,
00:15:28.880 beautiful bill.
00:15:30.260 It seems that like
00:15:31.140 the bloodthirsty
00:15:32.020 interventionist types
00:15:33.660 in the Senate
00:15:34.240 might have gotten
00:15:34.920 what they wanted
00:15:35.680 and now they can focus
00:15:36.880 on trying to hammer out
00:15:37.900 any domestic legislation
00:15:39.120 at home.
00:15:40.060 But even then,
00:15:41.020 you know,
00:15:41.300 how much is Trump
00:15:42.660 going to get out of this
00:15:43.720 remains to be seen.
00:15:45.040 And instead,
00:15:45.580 we're kind of left
00:15:46.380 watching this televised
00:15:48.220 Baudrillardian spectacle
00:15:49.560 about,
00:15:50.360 well,
00:15:50.400 what is actually going on?
00:15:52.520 And just like what we saw
00:15:53.760 at the beginning
00:15:54.400 of the war
00:15:55.180 between Russia and Ukraine
00:15:56.420 and really by extension
00:15:57.240 the United States,
00:15:58.300 that it's very easy
00:15:59.300 to fool people
00:16:00.120 with old footage
00:16:01.200 or footage from video games.
00:16:02.480 This doesn't even get into
00:16:03.480 any sort of AI discussion.
00:16:04.920 But I mean,
00:16:05.740 at the start of the war
00:16:07.180 in Ukraine in 2022,
00:16:08.840 you know,
00:16:09.060 you had people reposting
00:16:11.380 old footage from 2014.
00:16:12.960 You had footage
00:16:14.180 from Arma 3,
00:16:15.700 a video game,
00:16:16.600 and War Thunder
00:16:17.320 that had gotten people
00:16:18.160 all confused.
00:16:19.420 And even then,
00:16:20.120 we're trying to find out
00:16:20.880 how much of the footage
00:16:21.580 that we're seeing
00:16:22.200 out of Iran
00:16:23.460 or out of Israel
00:16:24.520 and Tel Aviv
00:16:25.180 is to be accurate.
00:16:26.600 And at least people
00:16:27.120 kind of just left
00:16:28.160 in this state of,
00:16:30.100 well,
00:16:30.200 we don't have really
00:16:30.960 anything to do
00:16:31.720 except watch,
00:16:32.660 but because we can
00:16:33.400 make money off
00:16:34.340 of selling takes
00:16:35.240 or we can make money
00:16:36.180 off of offering
00:16:36.960 our commentary
00:16:37.480 or like anyone
00:16:39.060 on any sort of
00:16:39.720 political position,
00:16:41.480 you know,
00:16:41.640 I can at least
00:16:42.160 virtue signal,
00:16:43.520 then that's all
00:16:44.180 that we can really do.
00:16:45.220 And I think that
00:16:45.720 that leaves us
00:16:46.480 sort of stuck
00:16:47.800 fighting each other
00:16:48.760 on sort of the timeline,
00:16:50.320 so to speak,
00:16:50.840 without ever interrogating
00:16:52.160 what's actually going on.
00:16:54.040 And this is why,
00:16:54.860 you know,
00:16:55.080 trying to go fact by fact
00:16:56.580 or blow by blow
00:16:57.260 can be very difficult
00:16:58.180 because all of a sudden
00:16:59.120 we really don't know
00:17:00.200 what's going on.
00:17:01.180 The broad strokes
00:17:02.180 of it all,
00:17:02.920 as has been confirmed
00:17:03.700 by people like Pat Buchanan
00:17:04.960 when he was writing
00:17:05.600 about this when
00:17:06.340 where the right went wrong
00:17:07.500 in 2004,
00:17:08.300 is that,
00:17:09.500 you know,
00:17:09.680 you do have a heavy
00:17:10.600 interventionist element.
00:17:12.220 The Republican base
00:17:13.320 or I mean,
00:17:13.780 the Republican establishment
00:17:14.940 has no desire
00:17:16.060 to listen to sort of
00:17:16.920 the MAGA base
00:17:17.780 that voted for Trump
00:17:18.600 and not really Republicans.
00:17:20.160 And you can see that
00:17:21.260 when we see
00:17:22.080 the approval figures
00:17:24.020 between Congress
00:17:24.700 and the White House.
00:17:26.140 And we can see this
00:17:26.740 between various politicians
00:17:27.820 and compared to the president
00:17:29.340 and the Republican Party.
00:17:30.920 And so now we're
00:17:31.640 in this really strange position
00:17:33.200 where we don't really have
00:17:34.620 the fullest extent
00:17:35.400 of what's going on,
00:17:36.440 but we do know
00:17:37.100 that the usual actors
00:17:38.400 are on board
00:17:39.840 trying to derail
00:17:40.980 any sort of conservative
00:17:42.820 or MAGA
00:17:43.620 or whatever you want to call it,
00:17:45.020 push to focus
00:17:46.000 on the domestic.
00:17:47.340 And instead,
00:17:48.160 we're really concerned
00:17:49.040 that like all of Trump's
00:17:50.480 political capital
00:17:51.200 or momentum
00:17:51.660 may be wasted
00:17:52.760 or spent entirely
00:17:54.020 on a conflict
00:17:55.140 in the Middle East
00:17:55.960 that has yet to show
00:17:58.040 what damage
00:17:58.800 it can really have
00:17:59.660 on the United States
00:18:00.580 other than
00:18:01.300 because of our relationship
00:18:02.720 to Israel
00:18:03.660 in the Middle East.
00:18:05.680 Yeah, and that's so important
00:18:07.360 because I want people
00:18:08.300 to understand.
00:18:09.400 Obviously,
00:18:10.340 the Iranian regime 0.69
00:18:11.300 is bad.
00:18:12.200 There's no question here.
00:18:13.580 They obviously hate us, 0.52
00:18:14.860 chant death to America. 1.00
00:18:17.000 They're an enemy. 0.99
00:18:18.340 Like, that's not a question.
00:18:19.940 The question is
00:18:20.460 how dangerous
00:18:21.040 is that enemy to me, right?
00:18:22.980 Order of operations,
00:18:24.140 what do I need
00:18:24.680 to deal with first?
00:18:26.060 The truth is
00:18:26.860 that Iran 0.91
00:18:27.320 is a threat to Israel 0.92
00:18:29.260 because if it builds a bomb,
00:18:31.160 Israel is the only country 1.00
00:18:32.160 it can really get to.
00:18:33.420 It's not getting
00:18:34.040 to the United States.
00:18:34.920 That's just not happening.
00:18:36.460 There's not a direct threat.
00:18:37.380 That doesn't mean
00:18:37.820 that I want Iran 1.00
00:18:38.460 to have a bomb.
00:18:39.160 Of course I don't.
00:18:40.580 But that means
00:18:41.360 that if there's a,
00:18:42.680 if I have to order
00:18:43.600 the priorities
00:18:44.720 that I have,
00:18:46.040 then I'm going to put
00:18:46.800 the current domestic invasion
00:18:48.920 of the United States,
00:18:50.180 the existential threat
00:18:51.280 that is mass immigration,
00:18:52.860 the one that is
00:18:53.300 transforming the demographics,
00:18:54.920 transforming the culture,
00:18:56.520 threatening the entire
00:18:57.520 political system,
00:18:58.680 the existence of my country,
00:19:00.960 one that has not been
00:19:01.760 dealt with in generations.
00:19:03.060 And this is the first time
00:19:04.280 in a very long time
00:19:05.480 that I've had a president
00:19:06.160 willing to talk about
00:19:07.440 and take action
00:19:08.660 on that issue.
00:19:10.080 That's the one
00:19:10.660 I'm going to prioritize.
00:19:11.560 It doesn't mean
00:19:12.000 that Iran doesn't matter. 0.81
00:19:13.000 It doesn't, you know,
00:19:13.300 it doesn't mean
00:19:13.640 that I don't want Trump
00:19:14.560 to think about
00:19:15.700 what Iran's doing, 0.89
00:19:16.560 keep an eye on Iran.
00:19:17.480 But for people who are saying,
00:19:18.500 oh, can't we chew gum
00:19:19.920 and walk at the same time?
00:19:20.880 No, actually,
00:19:21.600 we literally can't.
00:19:23.180 Like we have failed
00:19:24.120 both to walk and chew gum
00:19:25.760 like independently.
00:19:26.900 We cannot do them
00:19:27.760 at the same time.
00:19:28.480 We have neither
00:19:28.900 controlled the Middle East
00:19:30.220 or handled the domestic issues
00:19:32.260 we have here.
00:19:32.980 So if I need to order
00:19:34.120 which one I'm going to deal with,
00:19:35.460 I'm going to deal
00:19:36.120 with the domestic issue first.
00:19:37.340 And as you point out,
00:19:38.360 my biggest concern
00:19:39.740 with the Iran war
00:19:40.880 was that if we get pulled
00:19:42.640 into some kind
00:19:43.280 of extended conflict,
00:19:44.360 all of the momentum,
00:19:46.180 the trumpet buildup,
00:19:46.860 I mean, think about
00:19:47.380 that first hundred days,
00:19:48.480 how many amazing achievements
00:19:50.320 he had pushed through,
00:19:51.880 all the different things
00:19:53.620 that he had went ahead
00:19:55.100 and put forward
00:19:55.760 that just no other president
00:19:57.020 in my lifetime
00:19:57.740 had ever gotten done.
00:19:59.060 And then just having that
00:20:00.460 just hit a brick wall
00:20:01.740 with a new war
00:20:04.020 would be terrible,
00:20:04.900 especially as we're watching
00:20:05.920 the left basically
00:20:06.680 commit political suicide
00:20:08.060 by having a race riot
00:20:10.340 in the middle of L.A.
00:20:11.380 with people, you know,
00:20:12.580 just waving Mexican flags
00:20:15.460 and yelling La Raza
00:20:16.580 and, you know,
00:20:18.020 they're yelling death
00:20:19.460 to America basically
00:20:20.680 in the United States.
00:20:22.140 I care more about
00:20:22.860 the people yelling death 0.84
00:20:23.680 to America
00:20:24.100 in the United States
00:20:25.380 than I do halfway
00:20:26.040 across the world.
00:20:26.740 Doesn't mean I don't care
00:20:27.740 about the people
00:20:28.640 halfway across the world.
00:20:29.560 Doesn't mean they can't
00:20:30.120 ever be a threat.
00:20:31.440 But again,
00:20:32.160 if someone's yelling, 1.00
00:20:32.940 I'm going to kill you 1.00
00:20:33.800 right next to me, 1.00
00:20:35.020 I'm more worried
00:20:35.640 about that guy
00:20:36.160 than the guy who's yelling, 1.00
00:20:36.960 I'm going to kill you 1.00
00:20:37.600 from Australia, right? 1.00
00:20:38.860 There's just a more
00:20:39.520 imminent threat
00:20:40.260 and it makes perfect sense
00:20:41.340 to prioritize it.
00:20:42.740 And it is very clear
00:20:43.620 that if we got derailed,
00:20:45.740 that was simply
00:20:46.200 not going to happen.
00:20:47.500 And this,
00:20:48.120 it was,
00:20:48.460 and as you point out,
00:20:49.580 Trump,
00:20:50.020 very obviously,
00:20:50.800 what he was looking for
00:20:51.880 was another Soleimani situation,
00:20:53.800 right?
00:20:54.060 Get in,
00:20:55.120 hit the target,
00:20:56.340 you know,
00:20:56.680 walk away,
00:20:57.680 claim victory,
00:20:58.560 move on back
00:20:59.700 to your domestic agenda.
00:21:00.660 That's very clearly
00:21:01.600 what Trump wanted to do.
00:21:03.460 And you understand
00:21:04.440 that desire,
00:21:05.180 that makes sense in theory.
00:21:06.760 But in practice,
00:21:07.520 we have seen this
00:21:08.320 play out many times
00:21:09.160 and we were understandably
00:21:10.540 worried that that
00:21:11.120 would not be sufficient.
00:21:12.680 He would not be allowed
00:21:13.520 to only do that much.
00:21:15.360 And it was very clear
00:21:16.360 after the strike
00:21:18.300 that his,
00:21:19.740 his resolve for this
00:21:21.220 was being tested
00:21:22.000 because he's trying
00:21:23.180 to basically tell Israel,
00:21:24.600 okay,
00:21:24.740 we're done.
00:21:25.280 We're over that.
00:21:26.060 That's what we're going to do.
00:21:27.240 But then we start getting
00:21:28.200 these retaliatory strikes.
00:21:29.500 Iran has to do one. 0.94
00:21:31.000 It fires an American base, 0.88
00:21:32.780 you know,
00:21:33.480 over in Qatar,
00:21:34.260 but it warns the base
00:21:36.200 that it's going to be fired
00:21:37.140 at more or less.
00:21:37.920 They,
00:21:38.020 they fire a bunch of
00:21:38.880 weapons that are old
00:21:40.080 that are kind of meant
00:21:40.920 to be shot down
00:21:41.840 more or less.
00:21:42.420 No,
00:21:42.880 they, 1.00
00:21:43.100 they know Iran's not stupid. 0.99
00:21:44.900 They know that drawing 0.99
00:21:45.860 the United States
00:21:46.900 in the war
00:21:47.280 is exactly what Israel 0.95
00:21:48.460 is hoping for.
00:21:49.320 And so they're not going
00:21:50.500 to hit that tripwire
00:21:51.260 unless they absolutely
00:21:52.200 have to.
00:21:52.740 They might have the rhetoric
00:21:53.560 of hating America,
00:21:54.980 death to America,
00:21:55.760 but in reality,
00:21:56.840 they know if they
00:21:58.480 strike America,
00:21:59.780 they're toast,
00:22:00.460 right?
00:22:00.680 And so they're,
00:22:01.660 they're doing their best
00:22:02.440 to not look entirely weak
00:22:04.960 and entirely without
00:22:06.620 a position to negotiate,
00:22:08.040 but simultaneously
00:22:09.000 recognizing that
00:22:10.160 accelerating this
00:22:11.160 is a problem.
00:22:12.920 And then we hear
00:22:13.560 there's a ceasefire,
00:22:14.620 but then these,
00:22:15.560 these countries are
00:22:16.160 violating the ceasefire
00:22:17.120 to the point where
00:22:17.700 in,
00:22:18.160 in,
00:22:18.420 in the most,
00:22:19.120 you know,
00:22:19.780 Baudrillard moment ever,
00:22:20.820 the president of the United States
00:22:22.040 is literally screaming
00:22:23.300 at Israel on social media
00:22:25.840 to not fire its weapons
00:22:27.980 and break the ceasefire.
00:22:29.100 Like it's,
00:22:29.900 you know,
00:22:30.020 he's saying,
00:22:30.420 oh,
00:22:30.540 this plane is just going
00:22:31.500 to go,
00:22:31.980 they're just going
00:22:32.360 to wave at the,
00:22:33.240 you know,
00:22:33.580 the,
00:22:33.780 the Iranians
00:22:34.480 and it'll be fine.
00:22:35.320 It's not a problem,
00:22:36.160 but instead,
00:22:37.560 you know,
00:22:37.820 Israel ignores the president 0.71
00:22:39.480 and,
00:22:39.900 you know,
00:22:40.060 again,
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00:22:55.820 The,
00:22:56.440 this guy who is
00:22:57.280 directly responsible
00:22:58.360 for pretty much
00:22:59.400 backing their play
00:23:00.440 completely ignores him
00:23:01.900 in live,
00:23:02.680 you know,
00:23:02.960 live on Twitter.
00:23:04.200 And then just goes back
00:23:05.680 to violating a ceasefire.
00:23:07.400 Again,
00:23:07.960 just creating that
00:23:08.760 hyper real moment of
00:23:09.980 where is this war
00:23:11.120 actually being fought?
00:23:12.220 Is it being fought
00:23:12.740 on social media?
00:23:13.640 Is it being fought
00:23:14.260 in real life?
00:23:15.020 Because it seems
00:23:15.940 pretty consequential
00:23:17.100 that our greatest ally
00:23:18.180 completely ignores
00:23:19.360 the president
00:23:19.820 of the United States
00:23:20.600 when he says,
00:23:21.160 don't break the ceasefire.
00:23:22.540 I mean,
00:23:22.660 if you can't trust
00:23:23.420 a nation to abide
00:23:24.960 by a ceasefire,
00:23:25.880 you negotiate
00:23:26.460 on their behalf,
00:23:27.360 then kind of
00:23:28.600 what are you doing
00:23:29.360 involving yourself
00:23:30.320 with that country?
00:23:32.360 Yeah.
00:23:32.900 And the other thing
00:23:33.600 really too,
00:23:34.160 to consider here
00:23:35.560 is that are either
00:23:36.800 nation,
00:23:38.040 I mean,
00:23:38.340 specifically,
00:23:38.740 let's go with Israel 1.00
00:23:39.620 and the United States
00:23:40.240 or either of these
00:23:40.980 two nations
00:23:41.540 in a position
00:23:42.740 to be engaged
00:23:44.040 in a long-term
00:23:44.900 protracted conflict.
00:23:46.280 I mean,
00:23:46.500 the answer to that
00:23:47.340 is going to be no
00:23:48.320 because there has been
00:23:49.460 a renewed emphasis
00:23:50.920 on the ability
00:23:52.720 to produce
00:23:53.840 our,
00:23:54.600 you know,
00:23:54.980 our interceptors,
00:23:56.140 our missiles,
00:23:57.020 our ability
00:23:57.560 to stop drones
00:23:58.940 and other things
00:23:59.740 trying to attack
00:24:00.660 American or Israeli targets.
00:24:02.800 And because
00:24:03.800 any sort of
00:24:04.580 protracted conflict
00:24:05.400 means that the United States
00:24:06.440 or Israel
00:24:06.800 are going to run out
00:24:07.420 of ammunition
00:24:07.860 very quickly,
00:24:09.020 it gives Trump
00:24:10.300 sort of the emphasis
00:24:11.400 to go very public
00:24:12.280 and look for
00:24:13.060 an off-ramp
00:24:13.900 out of that.
00:24:15.200 The concern about,
00:24:16.120 you know,
00:24:16.440 American manufacturing,
00:24:17.700 especially when it comes
00:24:18.640 to defense,
00:24:19.640 has been sort of
00:24:20.500 this undercurrent
00:24:21.460 about our logistics,
00:24:23.080 our ability
00:24:23.480 to manufacture munitions,
00:24:25.000 as well as staying
00:24:26.060 on top of our THAAD,
00:24:27.680 as well as other
00:24:28.420 interceptor capabilities
00:24:29.700 that we have
00:24:30.280 when it comes
00:24:30.780 to ballistic missiles,
00:24:32.240 especially as Iran
00:24:34.080 touts,
00:24:34.980 and I know
00:24:35.840 it's partnered
00:24:36.440 with nations
00:24:37.060 like Russia 0.91
00:24:37.580 or China
00:24:38.100 that have been
00:24:38.960 testing hypersonic
00:24:39.880 missile capabilities,
00:24:41.320 whether or not
00:24:41.780 they've been using them,
00:24:42.820 and there's been
00:24:43.380 significant evidence
00:24:44.160 to point that
00:24:44.720 the Iranians
00:24:45.440 have been using
00:24:46.220 hypersonic missiles
00:24:47.600 during their strikes
00:24:48.420 against Tel Aviv.
00:24:49.520 You know,
00:24:49.740 there's some things
00:24:50.240 that you can't intercept
00:24:51.000 with the current technology
00:24:52.240 that we have deployed
00:24:53.200 or that they're using
00:24:54.060 older systems
00:24:55.680 that may not be
00:24:56.440 as effective
00:24:56.920 against newer forms
00:24:57.880 of technology.
00:24:58.640 So I think
00:24:59.020 that Trump
00:24:59.380 has been very clear
00:25:00.140 in making all sorts
00:25:01.580 of public statements
00:25:02.460 that he's not going
00:25:03.520 to want to look
00:25:05.040 for a long-term
00:25:06.600 regime change
00:25:07.680 kind of conflict,
00:25:08.600 and he has been
00:25:09.140 very playful
00:25:09.740 with this to some extent,
00:25:11.260 and I say that
00:25:11.800 in sort of quotations
00:25:12.760 because it leaves
00:25:13.500 a lot of strategic
00:25:14.340 and diplomatic ambiguity
00:25:15.660 in the air
00:25:16.400 when you get public
00:25:17.140 statements,
00:25:17.720 where, I mean,
00:25:18.520 Trump had said
00:25:19.380 just a couple of days ago
00:25:20.500 about, you know,
00:25:21.120 like, I don't want to say
00:25:22.460 the word regime change,
00:25:23.600 but, like, maybe
00:25:24.200 leadership in Iran
00:25:25.400 should change
00:25:26.380 to make Iran 0.70
00:25:27.260 great again,
00:25:27.960 and then, you know,
00:25:29.120 he had come out
00:25:29.700 and saying, like,
00:25:30.160 we don't want to be
00:25:30.960 involved long-term,
00:25:32.160 and according to
00:25:33.380 the AP Newswire
00:25:34.700 yesterday afternoon,
00:25:36.240 you know,
00:25:36.500 Trump had told
00:25:37.140 Israel's prime minister
00:25:38.220 that not to expect
00:25:39.400 more of America's 0.53
00:25:40.400 offensive.
00:25:40.920 They had come in,
00:25:41.920 they had done
00:25:42.380 their strikes
00:25:42.880 with B-2 bombers,
00:25:44.040 they have come home,
00:25:45.240 it's a hero's welcome,
00:25:46.480 and now we're going
00:25:47.260 to look for an off-ramp,
00:25:48.560 and someone had said
00:25:50.040 it already clearly.
00:25:50.880 I mean, Trump
00:25:51.220 had very sort of
00:25:52.240 been explosive
00:25:53.440 when talking about
00:25:54.380 the conflict
00:25:54.900 getting on to
00:25:55.860 the helicopter
00:25:58.180 off of the White House
00:25:59.180 lawn where he had said,
00:26:00.200 you know,
00:26:00.300 they don't know
00:26:00.620 what the F they're doing,
00:26:02.040 and, I mean,
00:26:02.580 like, you didn't see him
00:26:03.280 that angry when he got shot
00:26:04.740 is what someone had said,
00:26:06.140 and I think that
00:26:07.020 you haven't had a more
00:26:07.940 honest, you know,
00:26:08.700 position right there.
00:26:09.740 You know,
00:26:09.860 Trump just got up
00:26:10.400 and shook his fist,
00:26:11.100 he didn't look mad
00:26:11.720 or pissed at all,
00:26:12.500 he just had this moment
00:26:13.860 of, like,
00:26:14.320 divine intervention,
00:26:15.280 so to speak,
00:26:15.800 and then when dealing
00:26:17.640 with a conflict
00:26:18.800 halfway around the world
00:26:19.900 with nations
00:26:20.580 that don't like him
00:26:21.720 and that he doesn't
00:26:22.200 necessarily get along with,
00:26:23.300 I know that Trump
00:26:23.800 and Netanyahu
00:26:24.240 don't have the world's
00:26:24.880 best relationship,
00:26:25.980 and then you finally
00:26:26.540 get to see the president
00:26:27.380 angry, and it's like,
00:26:28.240 well, you know,
00:26:28.700 there's clearly something
00:26:29.400 going on behind the scenes
00:26:30.740 that we're not going to know,
00:26:32.540 but sifting through
00:26:33.480 the weeds of tweets
00:26:34.860 and these influencer pushes
00:26:36.900 has been crazy
00:26:38.260 because a lot of people
00:26:39.100 have gone just so vehemently
00:26:40.620 mask off,
00:26:41.320 whether it's
00:26:42.440 Lindsey Graham,
00:26:43.620 you know,
00:26:43.840 cheering on the strikes
00:26:45.140 like he's Senator Holden
00:26:46.160 Bloodfeast
00:26:46.700 or more like Mark Levin
00:26:49.120 on Fox News
00:26:50.180 who has just had
00:26:51.100 a very large ordeal
00:26:52.480 of civility
00:26:53.140 on live television
00:26:54.500 and on Twitter
00:26:55.120 constantly for the last
00:26:56.320 couple of days.
00:26:57.420 And so it really just
00:26:58.020 goes to illustrate
00:26:58.720 that we don't really know
00:27:00.020 everything that's going on.
00:27:01.400 What does seem to be clear
00:27:02.480 is that I think Trump
00:27:04.140 and the administration
00:27:05.140 know that getting involved
00:27:06.900 in the Middle East
00:27:07.540 and anything that sounds
00:27:08.780 like regime change
00:27:09.920 would be a betrayal
00:27:11.240 of the consistency
00:27:12.260 that he has always
00:27:13.140 campaigned on,
00:27:14.220 which has been
00:27:14.940 not wanting to be
00:27:16.040 in new wars,
00:27:17.080 wanting to be seen
00:27:17.840 as the peace president,
00:27:19.020 and not wanting
00:27:19.980 to get involved
00:27:20.560 in long-protracted
00:27:21.480 conflicts like we saw
00:27:22.420 at the beginning
00:27:22.920 of George W. Bush's
00:27:24.020 administration.
00:27:25.240 Now, at the same time,
00:27:26.320 that doesn't mean
00:27:26.840 that America has to
00:27:27.840 ignore its national security
00:27:29.720 or its, you know,
00:27:30.940 partnerships that it has
00:27:33.320 with countries like Israel
00:27:34.780 or others in Europe.
00:27:36.080 But at the same time,
00:27:37.420 and you had pointed
00:27:38.020 this out as well
00:27:38.940 after the strikes
00:27:39.640 took place, Oren,
00:27:40.720 that, you know,
00:27:41.660 we're still technically
00:27:42.640 fighting a proxy war
00:27:43.840 with the Russians
00:27:44.420 in Ukraine.
00:27:45.360 That's still going on.
00:27:46.360 There's still this huge emphasis
00:27:48.680 on this pivot to Asia
00:27:50.340 when it comes to
00:27:51.480 strengthening our partners
00:27:52.380 like in Taiwan,
00:27:53.440 in Japan,
00:27:54.020 Australia,
00:27:54.580 and India.
00:27:55.520 And then on top of that,
00:27:56.760 we're still having to deal
00:27:57.720 with the ongoing crisis
00:27:58.860 of immigration,
00:27:59.760 intellectual property theft,
00:28:01.220 and that we basically
00:28:02.240 have domestic race riots
00:28:04.260 slash ethnic conflict
00:28:05.500 breaking out
00:28:06.160 in major metropolitan areas
00:28:07.520 all across the country.
00:28:08.780 Getting involved in a war
00:28:10.240 that would acquire
00:28:10.840 so much blood and treasure
00:28:12.420 is not in America's 0.95
00:28:14.280 best interest right now,
00:28:15.360 simply because I don't think
00:28:16.020 we have the capacity
00:28:16.740 to do it long term,
00:28:19.200 not without severely
00:28:20.260 ignoring the greater
00:28:21.960 existential threats
00:28:23.100 that face America
00:28:23.960 at home.
00:28:24.820 And so I think Trump
00:28:25.620 is very eager
00:28:26.840 to look for
00:28:27.600 some kind of off-ramp
00:28:28.860 and say that
00:28:29.560 this has been a success,
00:28:31.240 we're going to negotiate,
00:28:32.720 or we're going to find
00:28:33.360 an off-ramp
00:28:33.960 to talk about this.
00:28:35.660 And as we can see
00:28:37.240 from, you know,
00:28:38.100 anyone translating
00:28:39.040 like Israeli tweets
00:28:40.120 on Twitter right now,
00:28:41.220 they're not happy
00:28:42.040 about this either,
00:28:43.240 and I'm sure the Iranians 0.78
00:28:44.360 aren't either,
00:28:44.940 but at the same time,
00:28:45.720 I think Trump
00:28:46.180 is looking very hard
00:28:47.840 and fast
00:28:48.360 to how do I get
00:28:49.540 an off-ramp
00:28:50.260 so the country
00:28:50.880 can focus on my agenda,
00:28:52.480 which is the domestic one.
00:28:54.540 Yeah, and you definitely
00:28:55.180 hope that that's ultimately
00:28:56.240 what he's, you know,
00:28:57.740 going to stick with.
00:28:58.760 It's very clear,
00:28:59.640 as you point out,
00:29:00.380 that this is not making
00:29:01.700 many Israelis
00:29:03.220 or their allies happy.
00:29:04.820 The goal was regime change
00:29:06.540 that was stated outright.
00:29:07.980 That's what they were
00:29:08.640 hoping for.
00:29:09.860 And the fact that Trump
00:29:10.880 is, it seems,
00:29:12.000 who's willing to simply
00:29:13.100 do the strike
00:29:14.060 as advertised
00:29:14.880 and walk away
00:29:16.060 seems to ultimately
00:29:17.380 counter the plan
00:29:18.640 to kind of draw further in.
00:29:20.560 And you can see
00:29:21.540 this hostility.
00:29:22.460 You know,
00:29:22.640 you pointed out,
00:29:23.840 you know,
00:29:24.660 J.D. Vance is rumored
00:29:25.740 to kind of be
00:29:26.680 the voice of
00:29:28.120 non-intervention
00:29:29.120 in the administration
00:29:30.360 closest to Trump.
00:29:31.760 A number of news outlets
00:29:32.880 have said he was
00:29:33.500 kind of directly
00:29:34.180 in opposition
00:29:35.000 to other people
00:29:36.120 inside the administration
00:29:37.180 arguing back against this.
00:29:39.760 And you always wonder
00:29:40.740 how much to take
00:29:41.680 those things seriously.
00:29:43.000 But the reason
00:29:43.820 I kind of take it seriously
00:29:45.040 is you look at,
00:29:46.620 what would we say,
00:29:48.540 pundits who are
00:29:49.180 big Israeli boosters,
00:29:50.600 guys like Dave Ruboy
00:29:51.940 talking about how
00:29:53.520 he thinks that,
00:29:54.760 you know,
00:29:55.220 Vance was responsible
00:29:57.640 for, like,
00:29:58.580 these intelligence leaks
00:29:59.740 and he needs to go,
00:30:00.860 basically.
00:30:01.520 And he's obviously
00:30:02.440 trying to drive a wedge
00:30:03.880 between Vance
00:30:05.100 and the rest
00:30:05.460 of the administration
00:30:06.200 because he thinks
00:30:07.200 it's in the interest
00:30:08.860 of Israel.
00:30:09.860 And when you see
00:30:11.040 people taking action
00:30:12.140 like that,
00:30:12.640 I think it probably
00:30:13.380 adds some validity
00:30:14.340 because they're
00:30:15.120 taking it seriously.
00:30:15.900 These people
00:30:16.360 who are professionally
00:30:17.120 involved
00:30:18.100 and basically
00:30:18.860 trying to move
00:30:19.620 opinion in this direction
00:30:20.820 are taking Vance
00:30:21.900 as a serious threat
00:30:22.880 to their agenda.
00:30:25.680 And so I think
00:30:26.340 it's probably reasonable
00:30:27.100 to assume that's the case.
00:30:28.540 And so when you have
00:30:29.160 strong voices
00:30:30.020 like Vance
00:30:31.420 and the administration,
00:30:32.400 the guy who clearly
00:30:33.440 seems like the heir apparent
00:30:34.680 in this moment,
00:30:36.760 then that's
00:30:37.680 pretty encouraging
00:30:39.020 if that's really
00:30:40.300 what's going on there.
00:30:41.340 And you could see Vance,
00:30:42.760 you know,
00:30:42.920 he came out
00:30:43.660 as best he could
00:30:44.680 there trying to
00:30:45.660 kind of walk the line
00:30:46.480 between, you know,
00:30:47.800 selling President Trump's
00:30:49.460 initial strike
00:30:50.280 but assuring that
00:30:51.540 nothing else
00:30:52.140 would come out of it.
00:30:53.240 Again,
00:30:53.640 whether the
00:30:54.720 nuclear program
00:30:57.220 of Iran
00:30:57.700 was truly decimated
00:30:59.100 or if, you know,
00:31:00.380 only moderate damage
00:31:01.300 was done,
00:31:01.900 we'll probably not know
00:31:03.120 for sure for a long time.
00:31:05.020 But that is
00:31:05.860 at the very least
00:31:06.780 what the Trump administration
00:31:07.600 wants to say.
00:31:08.620 We were successful.
00:31:09.980 We did what we were
00:31:10.760 setting out to do.
00:31:12.020 It's time to pivot back.
00:31:13.100 And one of the ways
00:31:13.700 that you can see,
00:31:14.520 I think,
00:31:14.920 that the administration
00:31:15.540 is trying to do that
00:31:17.300 is that over the last day
00:31:18.740 or two,
00:31:19.500 President Trump
00:31:20.020 has been sharing
00:31:20.840 a lot of
00:31:21.800 immigration-focused posts
00:31:23.760 on Truth Social
00:31:25.360 and those end up
00:31:26.360 everywhere else
00:31:26.820 like Twitter.
00:31:27.700 Actually,
00:31:28.140 one of my tweets
00:31:28.760 ended up recently
00:31:29.720 in one of the ones
00:31:31.620 that Trump sent out
00:31:32.620 where me
00:31:33.680 and many other pundits
00:31:34.620 were all talking
00:31:35.360 about how
00:31:36.080 you have
00:31:37.940 an existential threat
00:31:38.980 for mass immigration
00:31:40.120 and that mass deportations
00:31:41.500 very specifically
00:31:42.180 must take place.
00:31:44.040 And so I think
00:31:44.600 Trump recognizes
00:31:46.120 that
00:31:46.760 maybe he thought
00:31:48.440 he had to do this
00:31:49.460 for whatever reason
00:31:50.300 to relieve
00:31:51.040 international pressure,
00:31:52.200 maybe to make deals
00:31:53.720 with politicians
00:31:54.480 in America
00:31:55.400 to get the big,
00:31:56.680 beautiful bill passed.
00:31:57.640 Many people
00:31:58.040 have speculated
00:31:58.920 that that was part of it,
00:32:00.040 greasing the skids
00:32:00.780 to get the budget bill
00:32:01.640 done so he could
00:32:02.640 move forward
00:32:03.200 with his administration
00:32:04.060 and domestic agenda.
00:32:05.340 But whatever he felt
00:32:06.660 was necessary there,
00:32:07.640 it's very clear
00:32:08.340 that he understands
00:32:09.300 that this cost him,
00:32:10.820 I think,
00:32:11.300 something with the base
00:32:12.380 in general
00:32:12.960 and that it's time
00:32:14.340 to move back.
00:32:15.180 And I think the messaging
00:32:16.000 has shifted
00:32:16.660 back to that arena
00:32:18.180 for a reason
00:32:19.220 and he's hoping
00:32:20.160 that ultimately,
00:32:21.280 you know,
00:32:21.580 one way or another
00:32:22.240 he's done with this conflict.
00:32:24.820 Yeah,
00:32:25.280 and I think
00:32:25.840 that that's really
00:32:26.420 the emphasis
00:32:27.300 is to now have this
00:32:28.480 almost about face
00:32:29.740 now that this
00:32:30.560 international pressure
00:32:31.900 has been done.
00:32:33.020 I think that he's gotten
00:32:33.920 a lot of his administration
00:32:34.860 to sort of get on message.
00:32:37.160 The director
00:32:37.820 of national intelligence,
00:32:39.400 you know,
00:32:39.520 Tulsi Gabbard
00:32:40.160 has come out
00:32:40.780 and said,
00:32:41.180 you know,
00:32:41.380 look,
00:32:41.640 new intelligence
00:32:42.300 confirms already
00:32:43.300 what Trump
00:32:44.820 has already said,
00:32:45.640 that Iran nuclear facilities
00:32:46.800 have been destroyed.
00:32:48.100 If the Iranians 1.00
00:32:48.960 choose to rebuild,
00:32:49.720 they would have to rebuild
00:32:50.380 all three of these facilities
00:32:51.420 entirely,
00:32:52.000 which would likely
00:32:52.500 take years to do.
00:32:53.840 And they have,
00:32:54.600 again,
00:32:54.900 made this very much
00:32:55.860 that this is a media
00:32:56.720 hit job
00:32:57.380 on what the American military
00:32:58.940 has already committed itself to.
00:33:01.740 And now that it's done,
00:33:02.800 it seems like
00:33:03.380 there has been
00:33:03.820 this renewed push
00:33:04.780 and renewed pressure
00:33:05.620 to drag America 0.61
00:33:07.160 further back into it.
00:33:08.400 And now,
00:33:08.920 you know,
00:33:09.160 you look at what Trump
00:33:09.980 has been saying recently,
00:33:10.980 it's been all about
00:33:12.680 the recent news
00:33:13.780 with the New York
00:33:14.760 mayoral primary
00:33:15.860 with a,
00:33:17.380 you know,
00:33:17.780 young,
00:33:18.500 foreign-born candidate
00:33:20.120 who is now,
00:33:21.200 you know,
00:33:21.360 an open communist
00:33:22.100 who wants to,
00:33:22.760 quote-unquote,
00:33:23.060 globalize the infantata.
00:33:24.360 Like,
00:33:24.780 everything there
00:33:25.660 has put this renewed emphasis
00:33:27.220 on at home
00:33:29.240 the ongoing
00:33:30.780 political coalition
00:33:32.720 of wherever the Democrats
00:33:33.580 are going in the future
00:33:34.520 and that,
00:33:35.700 you know,
00:33:35.940 immigration is the only issue.
00:33:37.320 And again,
00:33:37.820 even Stephen Miller,
00:33:38.760 who is Jewish,
00:33:40.060 had come out
00:33:40.720 and not said a single thing
00:33:42.260 about the entire conflict
00:33:43.740 at all
00:33:44.340 during the entire
00:33:45.360 sort of hubbub
00:33:46.740 on Twitter
00:33:47.240 about whether or not
00:33:47.960 America was going
00:33:48.560 to get involved
00:33:49.080 in another war
00:33:49.700 in the Middle East.
00:33:50.280 He remained steadfast
00:33:51.480 on the only issue
00:33:52.580 that matters
00:33:53.100 for people like you and I,
00:33:54.520 which is the existential threat
00:33:55.860 of our demographics
00:33:57.120 and our ongoing
00:33:58.240 political struggle
00:33:59.280 and strife
00:33:59.820 at home
00:34:00.340 here in the United States.
00:34:01.640 And so,
00:34:02.180 I would like to see
00:34:03.080 that return
00:34:03.580 to messaging
00:34:04.180 and forum
00:34:04.900 be the really only thing
00:34:06.260 that we go forward
00:34:07.100 and push on for now.
00:34:08.540 This isn't to say
00:34:09.300 that we can't
00:34:10.180 be completely
00:34:11.000 shut off
00:34:11.760 from what's going on
00:34:12.520 in the outside world
00:34:13.500 of American interests,
00:34:14.900 whether it's shipping
00:34:15.600 or oil
00:34:16.460 or trade
00:34:17.540 and logistics
00:34:17.980 are going to be threatened
00:34:18.820 by ongoing actions
00:34:19.860 in the Middle East.
00:34:20.680 Of course,
00:34:21.020 America is going
00:34:21.580 to have to respond,
00:34:22.460 but there's that
00:34:23.440 very fine line
00:34:24.560 about what has
00:34:25.200 to be walked here,
00:34:26.180 which is pursuing
00:34:27.580 America's interests
00:34:28.520 abroad
00:34:29.020 without necessarily,
00:34:30.620 you know,
00:34:31.500 kneecapping itself
00:34:32.460 or being beholden
00:34:33.800 to those
00:34:34.980 that really want you
00:34:35.880 to fight a conflict
00:34:36.980 on their behalf,
00:34:38.440 even though they're
00:34:39.020 a quite capable
00:34:39.700 military power
00:34:40.720 on their own.
00:34:41.700 And so,
00:34:42.400 yeah,
00:34:42.560 there's been
00:34:42.780 a renewed emphasis,
00:34:43.780 like I mentioned earlier
00:34:44.520 and you had said it too,
00:34:45.400 that they really want
00:34:46.420 Vance to be isolated
00:34:48.180 from the Trump administration
00:34:50.080 and anyone
00:34:50.760 that has been
00:34:51.300 on that camp.
00:34:52.120 There's been
00:34:52.340 a huge amount
00:34:52.940 of hatred
00:34:53.360 towards people
00:34:54.620 like Steve Bannon,
00:34:55.680 people like J.D. Vance
00:34:57.240 and those
00:34:57.740 that have very pushed
00:34:58.560 to this sort of
00:34:59.100 anti-war,
00:35:00.100 anti-interventionist position,
00:35:01.940 which has been around
00:35:02.980 since we had discussions
00:35:04.720 about invading Iraq.
00:35:06.080 I mean,
00:35:06.220 like the American conservative
00:35:07.580 as a publication
00:35:08.660 and institution
00:35:09.400 started as opposition
00:35:11.000 to the war
00:35:11.800 in Iraq in 2003.
00:35:13.800 And I think that,
00:35:14.580 you know,
00:35:14.760 even they themselves
00:35:15.680 have been caught
00:35:16.200 in the crossfire
00:35:16.860 with all this as well,
00:35:17.720 even though larger voices
00:35:18.580 have pushed it,
00:35:19.100 but like there has always
00:35:20.180 been an anti-interventionist
00:35:22.280 right without clear goals
00:35:23.860 or an endgame here.
00:35:25.400 And at least for us,
00:35:26.540 it seems right now
00:35:27.340 that Trump is looking
00:35:28.080 for that off-ramp
00:35:29.200 to renew his focus
00:35:30.300 on other parts
00:35:31.620 of his agenda
00:35:32.280 that speak to his base.
00:35:33.780 Because after all,
00:35:34.940 it's going to look terrible
00:35:35.960 if nothing gets done
00:35:37.400 at home outside
00:35:38.300 of executive orders
00:35:39.340 or posturing
00:35:40.180 when the,
00:35:41.340 you know,
00:35:42.060 fundraising cycle
00:35:43.020 and the campaign cycle
00:35:44.200 for the 2026 midterms
00:35:45.720 is right around the corner.
00:35:46.900 That curse of democracy
00:35:47.980 is going to kick in real soon.
00:35:49.940 And I think Trump knows
00:35:50.800 that he's got to get
00:35:51.340 something done
00:35:51.880 before that happens.
00:35:53.420 Well,
00:35:53.900 and the other big thing is,
00:35:55.420 look,
00:35:55.600 the left has been
00:35:56.240 in huge disarray,
00:35:57.660 right?
00:35:57.880 They don't know
00:35:59.060 how to counter
00:35:59.680 Trump's initial thrust.
00:36:01.120 They're flailing all around.
00:36:02.980 They couldn't find a narrative.
00:36:04.320 They were obviously,
00:36:05.340 you know,
00:36:05.540 they're spending
00:36:05.940 all of their time saying,
00:36:07.080 like,
00:36:07.140 how do we get
00:36:07.560 all these white guys
00:36:08.460 who we spent the last,
00:36:09.620 you know,
00:36:09.820 20 years telling them
00:36:10.900 they were Satan?
00:36:11.620 How do we get them
00:36:12.040 to vote for us again?
00:36:13.240 Like,
00:36:13.440 they were very much
00:36:14.000 lost in the wilderness.
00:36:14.880 And the first thing
00:36:16.560 that they latched on to
00:36:17.640 were these,
00:36:18.340 like,
00:36:18.560 violent,
00:36:19.200 you know,
00:36:19.740 foreign invasion 0.98
00:36:21.440 immigration riots
00:36:22.420 that were occurring
00:36:23.140 in L.A.,
00:36:24.100 which is just a giant
00:36:25.160 losing issue for them.
00:36:26.980 And so,
00:36:27.500 trust me,
00:36:28.260 I've looked at
00:36:29.140 some of these guys.
00:36:29.860 They definitely want
00:36:31.380 to become
00:36:32.140 the anti-war left again.
00:36:33.700 The left abandoned
00:36:34.420 that position
00:36:35.420 during the Ukraine war 1.00
00:36:36.460 because they're idiots 1.00
00:36:37.460 and they, like, 1.00
00:36:38.400 will sell their souls
00:36:39.300 instantaneously
00:36:40.340 for the smallest,
00:36:41.760 what they think
00:36:42.160 is a political narrative
00:36:43.000 advantage.
00:36:44.020 And so,
00:36:44.320 they took this position
00:36:45.100 that has always,
00:36:45.860 I think,
00:36:46.140 had some kind
00:36:47.000 of organic root
00:36:47.820 inside the United States
00:36:49.040 in general
00:36:49.560 and said,
00:36:50.500 well,
00:36:50.700 actually,
00:36:51.000 we're just going
00:36:51.460 to discard that
00:36:52.320 because it's not
00:36:53.180 politically convenient
00:36:53.940 for us to oppose war
00:36:55.240 right now
00:36:55.980 because Joe Biden
00:36:56.860 was in power.
00:36:58.080 And so,
00:36:58.260 they completely sold
00:36:58.980 all their credibility
00:36:59.760 out on the Ukraine war.
00:37:01.480 And the right kind
00:37:02.220 of learned a lesson
00:37:02.780 there of saying,
00:37:03.520 oh,
00:37:03.680 actually,
00:37:04.240 war is not always
00:37:05.720 something we need
00:37:06.400 to support.
00:37:06.980 Actually,
00:37:07.320 there are wars
00:37:07.880 that are fought
00:37:08.480 without any interest
00:37:09.840 in the United States,
00:37:10.920 without any interest
00:37:11.620 in how that will
00:37:12.200 positively impact
00:37:13.240 our country.
00:37:14.900 And we don't need
00:37:15.340 to be involving
00:37:15.900 ourselves in that.
00:37:17.380 And so,
00:37:17.840 for a good while,
00:37:19.700 the right was kind
00:37:20.580 of opposing
00:37:21.440 unnecessary conflict.
00:37:22.520 Not saying,
00:37:23.440 we're not peace nicks,
00:37:24.960 we're not hippies,
00:37:26.320 we're not pacifists,
00:37:28.720 none of these things.
00:37:29.700 We're for a strong country,
00:37:31.420 we're for a strong defense,
00:37:33.140 but ultimately,
00:37:34.140 we recognize that
00:37:34.960 that has to be
00:37:35.560 in America's interest.
00:37:36.620 We're not just
00:37:36.960 deploying the military
00:37:37.720 to deploy the military.
00:37:39.000 It doesn't make us strong
00:37:39.920 just to go out
00:37:40.580 and fight a war randomly.
00:37:42.200 What matters is that
00:37:43.160 that is spent
00:37:44.260 on the interests
00:37:45.020 of the American people.
00:37:45.920 The blood and the treasure
00:37:46.720 of Americans
00:37:47.500 should go towards
00:37:49.060 the well-being
00:37:49.820 of Americans.
00:37:51.140 And the left
00:37:52.260 is desperately hoping
00:37:53.380 to get back
00:37:54.040 into this anti-war
00:37:55.320 sentiment.
00:37:57.240 And so,
00:37:57.720 providing them
00:37:58.620 with an opportunity
00:37:59.500 to be the anti-war party
00:38:00.860 right before you get
00:38:01.780 to the midterms
00:38:02.600 is a failing position,
00:38:04.860 I think,
00:38:05.260 ultimately.
00:38:06.200 And so,
00:38:06.500 there's a lot of attempts
00:38:07.560 to drive the right
00:38:08.860 one way or another.
00:38:09.980 I will say
00:38:10.740 there are a lot
00:38:11.380 of just anti-war people
00:38:13.560 who really overplayed
00:38:15.780 their hand on this.
00:38:16.600 Everything was going
00:38:17.320 to be World War III.
00:38:18.540 Russia's going 0.97
00:38:19.100 to strike us. 0.87
00:38:20.140 This is going
00:38:20.580 to create
00:38:20.960 a nuclear winter.
00:38:22.140 You know,
00:38:22.360 all this stuff.
00:38:23.420 And they looked 0.96
00:38:24.440 silly on their end 0.97
00:38:25.400 because they overcommitted 1.00
00:38:26.840 to this idea
00:38:28.120 that, you know,
00:38:28.720 this ideology itself
00:38:30.160 is the issue.
00:38:31.680 And I tried to explain
00:38:32.560 this to libertarians
00:38:33.540 and I immediately
00:38:34.100 regretted it
00:38:34.740 because the minute
00:38:35.200 I said,
00:38:36.020 hey, you know,
00:38:36.440 actually you should
00:38:37.260 oppose wars
00:38:38.160 because they're bad
00:38:38.900 for America
00:38:39.460 and not because
00:38:40.040 you're just against war
00:38:41.160 as a general idea.
00:38:42.540 War is part of
00:38:43.640 human reality.
00:38:45.020 It's part of human nature.
00:38:46.140 It's going to be there.
00:38:47.320 We are going to have
00:38:48.600 to fight wars
00:38:49.320 at some point.
00:38:50.460 There are just wars
00:38:51.400 we can involve
00:38:51.960 ourselves in.
00:38:52.700 So I'm not anti-war
00:38:53.960 ideologically.
00:38:55.140 I'm only pro-American.
00:38:57.740 And so if the war
00:38:58.760 defends America,
00:38:59.740 if it's for America's
00:39:00.600 true interests,
00:39:01.680 then it might be
00:39:02.420 worth fighting.
00:39:03.060 But if it's not,
00:39:03.760 I don't want to be
00:39:04.300 involved with it.
00:39:04.900 That was insufficient
00:39:06.340 for libertarians
00:39:08.160 who are like,
00:39:08.740 no, war is always 0.82
00:39:10.000 the state against
00:39:11.380 the people,
00:39:11.860 these kind of things.
00:39:13.000 And so I do think
00:39:13.640 there's an ideological
00:39:14.380 possession that can
00:39:15.720 push you into bad places
00:39:17.480 as ideological possession
00:39:19.520 pretty much always does.
00:39:20.780 But I do think 0.85
00:39:21.580 it's foolish to hand
00:39:22.620 that position of
00:39:23.800 opposing unnecessary
00:39:25.740 conflict back over
00:39:27.100 to the left
00:39:27.560 when that is something
00:39:28.480 that was always core
00:39:29.820 to the American position.
00:39:31.300 And if you have
00:39:31.680 any question about
00:39:33.120 whether or not
00:39:33.520 that was at the core
00:39:34.100 of MAGA,
00:39:34.840 you just look at
00:39:35.580 Donald Trump's
00:39:36.220 first farewell address
00:39:37.300 where he said
00:39:37.920 that his ability
00:39:39.000 to avoid foreign 1.00
00:39:40.180 conflict was one
00:39:41.560 of his proudest moments.
00:39:42.820 If that doesn't tell you
00:39:44.180 that that was part
00:39:45.000 of the agenda,
00:39:45.720 part of the understanding
00:39:47.220 of what MAGA was,
00:39:48.540 then I don't know
00:39:49.340 what to say.
00:39:50.800 Yeah, and I think
00:39:51.800 that that's sort of
00:39:52.340 the important thing here
00:39:53.480 is that the Dems
00:39:55.220 are looking,
00:39:55.940 the left in general,
00:39:56.700 are looking for
00:39:57.220 some kind of avenue
00:39:58.500 to make themselves
00:39:59.500 appeal more. 0.92
00:40:00.500 And if we look
00:40:01.480 at the latest polling
00:40:02.660 for down-ballot races
00:40:04.560 on who's more likely
00:40:06.640 to maintain control
00:40:07.560 of the House,
00:40:08.120 things have swung
00:40:08.960 very far for Republicans
00:40:10.920 to a plus-four degree
00:40:12.380 according to one
00:40:12.980 of the later political reports
00:40:14.440 I was just reading
00:40:15.060 yesterday about this.
00:40:16.100 There's a huge shift
00:40:16.920 to where even
00:40:17.900 15 years ago to today,
00:40:20.220 things have had
00:40:20.920 this 30-point shift
00:40:22.260 to Republicans
00:40:23.040 on the issue
00:40:24.020 of immigration alone.
00:40:25.360 I mean,
00:40:25.540 there's still a lot
00:40:26.180 that the Republican Party
00:40:27.080 is terrible on,
00:40:27.860 but at least
00:40:28.720 the main issue
00:40:29.560 about trying to control
00:40:30.300 the border
00:40:30.680 and to get these people
00:40:31.520 out of here
00:40:31.980 is a resounding message
00:40:33.660 that works very well
00:40:34.640 and to continue
00:40:35.520 that message
00:40:36.000 I think will do well
00:40:36.680 for them.
00:40:37.060 But as for the left,
00:40:37.760 whether it's this
00:40:38.300 anti-war position
00:40:39.240 or embracing the fact
00:40:41.220 that the,
00:40:42.600 what you could call
00:40:43.660 progressive woke whatever,
00:40:45.040 has become sort of
00:40:46.240 the future
00:40:46.740 of the Democratic Party
00:40:48.040 that, like you had said,
00:40:49.320 they're struggling
00:40:49.920 to have a system
00:40:51.540 where how do we have
00:40:52.900 this coalition
00:40:53.640 of various groups,
00:40:55.060 ethnicities,
00:40:55.800 and beliefs
00:40:56.360 that are really
00:40:57.420 only unified
00:40:58.300 by their hatred
00:40:59.420 of America,
00:41:01.000 its heritage,
00:41:01.940 its religion,
00:41:02.580 and its people
00:41:03.520 to get the people
00:41:04.980 that they have been
00:41:05.640 kicking away from,
00:41:06.540 which has been
00:41:06.940 primarily young men.
00:41:08.580 I mean,
00:41:08.920 even the sex divide alone,
00:41:12.420 I mean,
00:41:12.700 like all we've seen now
00:41:13.620 is we've had Chuck Schumer,
00:41:14.780 we've had Chris Murphy,
00:41:15.880 these, you know,
00:41:16.620 what we would call
00:41:17.300 establishment senators
00:41:18.520 for the Democrats
00:41:19.460 and going out
00:41:20.840 and congratulating
00:41:21.700 the latest mayoral candidate
00:41:23.220 who's most likely
00:41:23.960 going to be
00:41:24.420 the next mayor
00:41:25.560 of New York City
00:41:26.520 that had Wall Street
00:41:27.920 overwhelmingly,
00:41:28.780 you know,
00:41:29.060 vote for him
00:41:29.700 despite going
00:41:30.320 through his tweets,
00:41:31.060 he's just like
00:41:31.780 any sort of,
00:41:32.740 you know,
00:41:33.340 progressive race
00:41:34.460 communist that we've
00:41:35.380 seen since the summer
00:41:36.320 of Floyd
00:41:36.740 and the Great Awakening.
00:41:38.140 And so, like,
00:41:38.620 you're in this really
00:41:39.180 weird position
00:41:39.780 where it's just like,
00:41:40.640 well,
00:41:40.940 the lines are drawn here.
00:41:43.980 You can have competence
00:41:45.640 and national security
00:41:47.060 and an actual,
00:41:48.580 you know,
00:41:49.060 push for something
00:41:49.920 that looks like
00:41:50.380 a civilization,
00:41:51.080 or we can continue
00:41:52.520 to rock the corpse
00:41:53.920 and be the very thing
00:41:56.160 that has led
00:41:56.720 to the destruction
00:41:57.400 of, you know,
00:41:58.420 the American nation
00:41:59.440 which has just been
00:42:00.440 allowing these
00:42:01.620 anti-civilizational
00:42:02.940 and tropic elements in
00:42:04.320 and then claiming
00:42:05.400 that they're here
00:42:06.200 on the side of good
00:42:07.080 and the American values
00:42:08.220 and we're all here
00:42:09.160 to make America great
00:42:10.180 in our own respective
00:42:10.880 progressive way
00:42:11.660 and we all know
00:42:12.540 that that leads
00:42:13.020 to destruction.
00:42:13.880 And so, yeah,
00:42:14.640 I mean,
00:42:14.900 it's good that,
00:42:15.580 you know,
00:42:15.760 Trump has been looking
00:42:16.380 for an off-ramp.
00:42:17.500 Trump had just recently
00:42:18.300 said at the NATO conference
00:42:19.440 that there's really
00:42:19.980 no need to negotiate
00:42:21.100 with Iran
00:42:21.720 or to pursue
00:42:22.460 some new nuclear agreement
00:42:23.820 because their facilities
00:42:25.300 have been so effectively destroyed.
00:42:26.860 Trump is very much
00:42:27.680 trying to wash his hands
00:42:28.820 of this
00:42:29.260 and try and get back home
00:42:31.240 and focus on a domestic agenda
00:42:32.700 which I pray is the case.
00:42:34.260 But, again,
00:42:35.340 it puts both parties
00:42:37.140 and it puts our system
00:42:37.920 in this really strange
00:42:38.800 political position
00:42:39.680 because now all of a sudden
00:42:40.600 we have to deal
00:42:41.160 with the fact
00:42:41.680 that it seems like
00:42:43.620 the future of the Democrats
00:42:44.660 is just going to be
00:42:45.620 the ongoing demographic
00:42:47.720 collapse of the country
00:42:48.800 and they're cheering for it
00:42:50.020 and that they know it
00:42:50.900 and it seems like Trump
00:42:52.700 or at least Stephen Miller
00:42:53.540 at the very least
00:42:54.300 knows that that's what
00:42:55.280 the game here is being played
00:42:56.540 and that that has to be stopped.
00:42:58.780 Yeah,
00:42:59.240 and I'm very happy
00:43:00.320 as you say
00:43:00.800 that Trump is looking
00:43:01.560 for that off-ramp.
00:43:02.640 It's obvious that
00:43:04.040 even if he talked himself
00:43:06.120 into this idea
00:43:06.920 that he could just do
00:43:07.840 this strike and walk away 0.86
00:43:09.380 and that would be fine,
00:43:10.840 his very visceral frustration
00:43:12.880 as you point out
00:43:13.800 with him,
00:43:14.400 you know,
00:43:14.860 yelling profanity
00:43:16.620 about the people
00:43:17.940 he's trying to negotiate with,
00:43:19.640 the fact that he's screaming
00:43:21.020 on social media
00:43:22.140 with a country
00:43:23.000 he's supposed to be allies with
00:43:24.840 and has already negotiated with
00:43:26.500 to stop breaking
00:43:27.540 those agreements.
00:43:29.340 If you don't learn
00:43:30.220 a lesson from that,
00:43:31.120 you don't want to learn
00:43:31.680 a lesson from anything,
00:43:32.660 right?
00:43:32.900 You shame,
00:43:33.440 you know, 0.96
00:43:33.620 fool me once,
00:43:34.160 shame on you.
00:43:35.200 Fool me twice, 0.85
00:43:35.740 it's shame on me
00:43:36.480 and I think Trump
00:43:37.240 is recognizing that
00:43:38.280 if he puts himself
00:43:39.460 in a position
00:43:40.280 where he's reliant
00:43:41.160 on people
00:43:41.980 who he can't control,
00:43:43.720 who have another nation's
00:43:45.160 interests at heart,
00:43:46.200 who are not going
00:43:47.020 to be working
00:43:47.520 for the good
00:43:48.420 of the American people,
00:43:49.660 then he's putting himself
00:43:50.600 in a position
00:43:51.240 where he can very easily
00:43:52.520 get sidetracked
00:43:53.340 or completely wiped out
00:43:54.760 in this administration
00:43:55.480 and I think he knows
00:43:56.820 his legacy is on the line here.
00:43:58.900 This is a guy
00:43:59.320 who literally got shot at
00:44:00.420 to try to,
00:44:00.940 you know,
00:44:01.160 get him out of
00:44:02.000 the presidency.
00:44:03.780 Like,
00:44:03.940 he knows the stakes
00:44:05.340 and so I don't think
00:44:06.560 he's going to waste his time
00:44:07.800 investing deeply
00:44:08.680 in a country
00:44:09.280 that absolutely
00:44:10.220 seems willing
00:44:11.260 to betray him
00:44:11.980 after negotiations
00:44:13.900 and so he,
00:44:16.360 whether or not
00:44:17.300 the Iran's capacity 0.67
00:44:19.200 has been decimated,
00:44:20.580 it's time to look back
00:44:22.180 and again,
00:44:22.540 they were never probably
00:44:23.380 a threat to America
00:44:24.540 directly anyway
00:44:25.380 and so there's no reason
00:44:27.480 to continue
00:44:28.080 to evolve yourself.
00:44:30.060 We are in a cycle,
00:44:31.540 a weird cycle now
00:44:32.480 where we recognize
00:44:34.340 and I think pretty much
00:44:35.560 everyone recognizes
00:44:36.560 that nuclear weapons
00:44:38.340 are sovereignty
00:44:39.620 in the current paradigm.
00:44:41.620 Russia,
00:44:43.300 North Korea,
00:44:43.940 there's a reason
00:44:44.360 these countries
00:44:44.980 don't get into
00:44:45.660 direct hot conflicts
00:44:46.800 the way that Iran does 1.00
00:44:48.900 because before you have
00:44:50.280 the bomb,
00:44:50.640 you're fair game
00:44:51.120 and after you have 0.63
00:44:51.680 the bomb,
00:44:52.500 you're respected
00:44:53.500 and you have to care
00:44:54.360 all of a sudden
00:44:55.520 the international community
00:44:56.680 has to care about
00:44:57.340 your sovereignty
00:44:57.800 and what you do.
00:44:59.200 Libya gives up 0.90
00:45:01.340 its nuclear weapons
00:45:02.960 and all of a sudden
00:45:03.620 it's opened to regime change
00:45:05.720 and becomes a slave market
00:45:06.900 in the middle
00:45:07.520 of North Africa again
00:45:08.500 and so you have
00:45:09.540 this moment
00:45:10.000 where I think
00:45:10.500 people recognize
00:45:11.240 that you can say
00:45:12.940 whichever you want
00:45:13.720 to Iran,
00:45:14.220 you can make all the deals
00:45:15.040 you want with Iran 0.95
00:45:15.880 but ultimately Iran
00:45:17.200 can just look at
00:45:18.360 revealed preference
00:45:19.280 and recognize
00:45:20.200 that the way the game
00:45:21.200 is played
00:45:21.720 is you get weapons.
00:45:23.600 That's what gives you
00:45:24.240 sovereignty
00:45:24.540 so they're not going
00:45:25.420 to stop.
00:45:25.880 You can throw as many 0.75
00:45:26.480 bombs as you want,
00:45:27.400 you can change
00:45:27.840 all the regimes you want
00:45:28.820 but unless you're
00:45:29.540 literally going to go in
00:45:30.440 and occupy that nation 0.52
00:45:31.560 for generations,
00:45:32.840 whoever's in that nation
00:45:33.640 is going to start
00:45:34.180 building a bomb 0.64
00:45:34.880 the minute you walk away 0.69
00:45:36.260 and so we're kind of
00:45:37.660 in this moment
00:45:38.240 where it's more or less
00:45:39.280 well we kind of go in
00:45:40.600 and blow up everything 0.97
00:45:41.660 Iran is using 1.00
00:45:42.580 to make a nuclear weapon
00:45:44.380 once every five to ten years
00:45:45.780 and that's more or less
00:45:46.760 the solution
00:45:47.420 and as unfortunate
00:45:49.800 as that paradigm might be
00:45:51.180 I think it's the one
00:45:51.960 we're kind of in
00:45:52.680 geopolitically at the moment
00:45:53.940 and with that reality
00:45:55.980 you kind of recognize
00:45:56.940 well you strike
00:45:57.620 and then move on
00:45:58.400 and again
00:45:59.120 unless your Israel 0.66
00:46:00.160 and regime changes
00:46:01.420 your entire goal
00:46:02.340 you topple the ability
00:46:04.200 for them to have the bomb
00:46:05.520 and then you just return back
00:46:06.800 you kind of cut the grass
00:46:08.300 every five years
00:46:09.120 that seems to be
00:46:10.120 the strategy going forward
00:46:11.160 Yeah, I mean
00:46:12.480 this has been
00:46:12.940 the long-standing debate
00:46:14.240 in sort of the
00:46:15.220 in the academic
00:46:16.380 international relations realm
00:46:18.280 I mean there was a great book
00:46:19.200 that came out
00:46:19.760 in the late 1990s
00:46:20.960 before Kenneth Waltz
00:46:23.720 had passed away
00:46:24.780 and it was called
00:46:25.340 The Spread of Nuclear Weapons
00:46:26.500 Debate Renewed
00:46:27.140 and it was right after
00:46:27.860 one of the first
00:46:28.900 major conflicts
00:46:29.860 between India and Pakistan
00:46:31.540 in the 1990s
00:46:32.980 and it was this huge debate
00:46:34.340 about the realism
00:46:36.100 about nuclear proliferation
00:46:38.320 if it would make nations safer
00:46:39.780 if it would decrease
00:46:41.260 the likelihood of war
00:46:42.920 and all the debates
00:46:44.220 had ranged around
00:46:44.940 well like
00:46:45.460 are we going to see
00:46:46.600 more catastrophic events
00:46:48.300 like we have seen in the past
00:46:49.680 when it comes to interventionism
00:46:50.800 or are we going to see
00:46:52.300 sort of these
00:46:52.980 very limited conflicts
00:46:54.800 because now that you have
00:46:55.640 nuclear weapons
00:46:56.300 like the likelihood
00:46:57.480 of conventional war
00:46:58.480 and escalation
00:46:59.180 kind of decreases
00:47:00.080 and I mean
00:47:01.340 those debates
00:47:01.840 are definitely well worth
00:47:03.100 looking back on
00:47:03.920 I mean this book
00:47:04.360 is about 30 years old
00:47:05.400 at this point
00:47:05.980 but even now
00:47:07.180 as we look at it
00:47:07.900 I mean Iran 0.85
00:47:08.920 kind of realizes
00:47:10.140 that okay
00:47:10.920 North Korea
00:47:12.720 gets treated differently
00:47:13.560 because it has nuclear weapons
00:47:14.700 every nuclear armed state
00:47:16.120 from Israel
00:47:16.840 to the United States
00:47:17.720 to Britain, France, etc
00:47:18.600 are all treated differently
00:47:19.720 because they have nuclear weapons
00:47:20.900 and yeah
00:47:22.060 I mean that's going to be
00:47:22.860 the ongoing pressure here
00:47:24.160 is that you can't
00:47:25.100 really convince
00:47:25.920 a power
00:47:26.580 that feels threatened
00:47:27.620 or sees
00:47:28.900 a rival state
00:47:30.480 with territorial ambition
00:47:31.640 that has nuclear weapons
00:47:33.320 on their doorstep
00:47:34.420 basically
00:47:35.180 they're probably going
00:47:36.760 to pursue it
00:47:37.400 and it's going to be
00:47:38.160 a thorn in the side
00:47:39.220 of any president
00:47:40.040 going forward
00:47:40.800 and as it has been
00:47:41.800 for years
00:47:42.460 I mean it's been
00:47:43.460 our entire lifetime
00:47:44.440 since you know
00:47:45.400 Netanyahu
00:47:45.820 has told the United States
00:47:46.940 that Iran 0.91
00:47:47.800 has always been
00:47:48.740 months or weeks
00:47:49.500 or years away
00:47:50.200 from building
00:47:50.660 a nuclear weapon
00:47:51.540 and that is probably
00:47:53.120 going to see
00:47:53.660 that rhetoric continue
00:47:54.760 regardless of
00:47:55.520 whoever succeeds
00:47:56.340 Netanyahu
00:47:56.880 it is going to be
00:47:57.620 something that
00:47:58.060 the United States
00:47:58.620 government will have
00:47:59.400 to deal with
00:47:59.940 until we find
00:48:00.520 some way
00:48:01.120 to decouple
00:48:02.500 ourselves
00:48:03.020 from that region
00:48:03.900 entirely
00:48:04.560 but I don't see
00:48:05.640 that happening
00:48:06.100 anytime soon
00:48:06.880 so we're like
00:48:07.320 we're really stuck
00:48:08.000 in this awkward
00:48:08.580 position where
00:48:09.360 these kind of
00:48:10.620 pressures
00:48:11.040 from you know
00:48:13.300 allies
00:48:14.800 or partners
00:48:15.760 in the region
00:48:16.360 whatever you want
00:48:16.780 to call them
00:48:17.320 I mean it's going
00:48:19.500 to be an issue
00:48:19.980 going forward
00:48:20.620 for years to come
00:48:21.940 and I don't think
00:48:22.940 that it will stop
00:48:24.160 Iran from pursuing it 0.98
00:48:25.360 and eventually
00:48:25.880 it could lead
00:48:27.100 to something
00:48:27.580 but so far
00:48:28.360 at least for this
00:48:29.980 instance
00:48:30.480 and what we've
00:48:30.960 talked about
00:48:31.300 for the last
00:48:31.680 hour or so
00:48:32.500 has been that
00:48:33.620 for now
00:48:34.220 the American
00:48:35.060 government
00:48:35.440 under this
00:48:35.880 administration
00:48:36.380 really doesn't
00:48:37.480 want to get
00:48:37.760 involved any
00:48:38.300 further than
00:48:38.740 it has
00:48:39.200 and again
00:48:41.100 that's the
00:48:41.680 great news
00:48:42.220 as much as
00:48:42.740 I had a lot
00:48:43.460 of concerns
00:48:43.940 and I feel
00:48:44.300 those concerns
00:48:44.940 were validated
00:48:45.720 by kind of
00:48:47.300 the obvious
00:48:48.420 attempts repeatedly
00:48:49.340 to draw us
00:48:49.960 further and
00:48:50.440 further in
00:48:51.040 than anyone
00:48:52.120 really wanted
00:48:54.040 ultimately
00:48:54.980 it does seem
00:48:55.740 like Trump's
00:48:56.520 commitment
00:48:57.160 was to this
00:48:58.200 strike
00:48:58.480 and only
00:48:58.860 this strike
00:48:59.540 and his
00:49:01.160 attempts to
00:49:01.960 broker any
00:49:03.220 kind of peace
00:49:04.040 between these
00:49:04.700 two countries
00:49:05.360 in the interim
00:49:05.920 has frustrated
00:49:06.580 him to the
00:49:07.020 level where
00:49:07.520 he probably
00:49:07.920 recognizes that
00:49:08.960 he just needs
00:49:09.800 to extricate
00:49:10.380 himself as
00:49:11.040 quickly as
00:49:11.480 possible
00:49:11.820 which was
00:49:12.220 probably already
00:49:13.000 the plan
00:49:13.320 to some extent
00:49:13.860 but I think
00:49:14.620 it only reinforces
00:49:15.460 that so
00:49:16.380 hopefully that
00:49:17.180 continues to be
00:49:17.940 the case and
00:49:18.640 whether Israel
00:49:19.560 and Iran
00:49:20.060 ultimately hold
00:49:20.920 to the current
00:49:21.400 agreement
00:49:21.780 whether or not
00:49:22.920 one of them
00:49:23.320 breaks it
00:49:23.820 I hope that
00:49:24.680 Trump continues
00:49:25.380 down that road
00:49:26.020 and recognizes
00:49:26.720 that this is
00:49:27.320 simply not
00:49:27.860 America's
00:49:28.720 conflict
00:49:29.120 and there's
00:49:29.520 no reason
00:49:30.020 to derail
00:49:31.200 his domestic
00:49:31.840 agenda
00:49:32.280 for two
00:49:33.260 countries that
00:49:33.760 frankly ultimately
00:49:34.680 aren't particularly
00:49:35.920 interested in
00:49:36.560 listening to him
00:49:37.300 they have their
00:49:38.260 own battle
00:49:38.720 this was always
00:49:39.360 their battle
00:49:39.880 and it should
00:49:40.540 remain their
00:49:40.920 battle
00:49:41.180 one that the
00:49:41.940 United States
00:49:42.360 simply should
00:49:43.040 no longer
00:49:43.420 play any role
00:49:44.000 in
00:49:44.200 all right guys
00:49:45.340 let's go to
00:49:46.260 the questions
00:49:47.100 of the people
00:49:47.620 real quick
00:49:48.020 but before we
00:49:48.620 do Mr.
00:49:49.200 Prudentialist
00:49:49.640 where should
00:49:49.980 people find
00:49:50.420 your great
00:49:50.780 work
00:49:51.020 people can
00:49:51.860 find me
00:49:52.420 on Twitter
00:49:53.180 at mrprudentialist
00:49:54.540 on rx.com
00:49:55.740 however you want
00:49:56.100 to call it
00:49:56.440 I'm also on
00:49:57.360 YouTube
00:49:57.640 just look for
00:49:58.540 the lovely 0.50
00:49:58.920 amphibious
00:49:59.560 profile picture
00:50:00.300 that you guys
00:50:00.800 are usually
00:50:01.200 associate my
00:50:02.040 face and my
00:50:02.980 work with
00:50:03.460 I am currently
00:50:05.460 going through
00:50:06.140 and reviewing
00:50:06.760 Charles Norris
00:50:07.880 Cochran's book
00:50:08.640 on a show
00:50:09.060 that I host
00:50:09.600 called
00:50:09.860 Do You Even
00:50:10.420 Read
00:50:10.800 and we'll be
00:50:11.900 finishing up
00:50:12.480 that book
00:50:12.840 this coming
00:50:13.300 Monday
00:50:13.720 on the 30th
00:50:14.800 I'm also
00:50:15.240 the host
00:50:15.660 of a show
00:50:15.980 called
00:50:16.160 The Digital
00:50:16.440 Archipelago
00:50:16.900 which I host
00:50:17.480 with a guest
00:50:18.380 of the show
00:50:18.920 Gio Panaccetti
00:50:19.820 open Canada
00:50:20.600 and he's a good
00:50:21.460 friend and we
00:50:22.020 cover all sorts
00:50:22.640 of things
00:50:22.960 from film
00:50:23.460 media
00:50:23.760 and digital
00:50:24.200 culture
00:50:24.600 and primarily
00:50:26.560 that's what
00:50:27.100 I cover
00:50:27.660 alongside
00:50:28.020 current events
00:50:28.880 and sort
00:50:29.360 of the way
00:50:30.340 AI and our
00:50:31.800 social media
00:50:32.560 affects our
00:50:33.120 politics
00:50:33.500 and how we
00:50:33.900 discuss things
00:50:34.460 that's why
00:50:34.800 the Beaudrillard
00:50:35.740 reference was
00:50:36.380 so welcomed
00:50:36.960 here but as
00:50:37.620 always
00:50:37.900 I'm very
00:50:38.420 thankful to
00:50:38.800 be a guest
00:50:39.140 on your
00:50:39.400 program
00:50:39.800 and it's
00:50:40.720 always great
00:50:41.200 having you
00:50:41.660 if for some
00:50:42.080 reason you
00:50:42.440 have not
00:50:42.800 checked out
00:50:43.220 The Prudentialist
00:50:43.880 of course
00:50:44.300 you should
00:50:44.640 do so
00:50:45.120 as soon
00:50:45.780 as we're
00:50:46.020 done here
00:50:46.480 how do
00:50:49.000 we say
00:50:49.160 Penultimo
00:50:50.320 says
00:50:51.140 please
00:50:51.620 please
00:50:52.300 pretty
00:50:52.620 please
00:50:53.020 invite
00:50:53.440 Molyneux
00:50:54.000 on one
00:50:54.520 day
00:50:54.700 so he's
00:50:55.040 referencing
00:50:55.380 Stefan Molyneux
00:50:56.160 who's recently
00:50:56.680 kind of reemerged
00:50:58.200 on the social
00:50:58.880 media scene
00:50:59.500 and came back
00:51:00.060 to Twitter
00:51:00.440 and I've seen
00:51:01.160 his you know
00:51:02.680 starting to put
00:51:03.440 YouTube videos
00:51:04.220 back up
00:51:04.660 these kind of
00:51:05.060 things
00:51:05.320 I'll be honest
00:51:06.780 I remember
00:51:07.320 Molyneux
00:51:07.800 and of course
00:51:08.580 he had a
00:51:09.320 number of
00:51:10.020 interesting takes
00:51:10.960 early on
00:51:12.220 he was ahead
00:51:12.760 of a lot of
00:51:13.240 people on
00:51:13.660 things
00:51:14.000 at the same
00:51:14.920 time
00:51:15.240 I've also
00:51:15.800 seen his
00:51:16.180 stuff again
00:51:16.800 popping up
00:51:17.540 on Twitter
00:51:17.940 and I'm
00:51:18.500 reminded that
00:51:19.600 Molyneux
00:51:20.060 is like
00:51:20.520 this weird
00:51:21.620 cultish
00:51:22.280 guy
00:51:22.900 who's like
00:51:23.440 don't ever
00:51:24.180 discipline your
00:51:25.460 children and
00:51:26.100 Christians are
00:51:26.640 responsible for 0.99
00:51:27.660 my abuse as
00:51:28.420 a child
00:51:28.960 because
00:51:29.400 whatever
00:51:30.180 and it's
00:51:30.660 kind of
00:51:30.860 one of
00:51:31.060 those like
00:51:31.600 oh yeah
00:51:32.420 everybody
00:51:33.140 who's an
00:51:33.600 atheist
00:51:33.900 really just
00:51:34.740 hates God
00:51:35.320 because it
00:51:35.600 reminds them
00:51:36.000 of their
00:51:36.380 dad type
00:51:37.120 scenario
00:51:37.560 I'm sure
00:51:39.100 ultimately
00:51:39.940 that would be
00:51:40.500 an interesting
00:51:41.040 conversation
00:51:41.820 but I am
00:51:43.260 reminded once
00:51:43.880 again that
00:51:44.200 Molyneux
00:51:44.600 is quite
00:51:45.140 a bit of
00:51:45.700 a mixed
00:51:45.960 bag
00:51:46.220 Michael
00:51:49.200 Robertson
00:51:49.660 says
00:51:50.000 this is
00:51:50.580 possible
00:51:51.640 cope
00:51:52.140 poster
00:51:52.600 pushback
00:51:53.120 affected
00:51:53.580 Trump
00:51:53.860 on this
00:51:54.860 maybe
00:51:55.860 kept us
00:51:56.400 out of
00:51:56.660 war
00:51:56.860 maybe
00:51:57.180 cope
00:51:57.620 sometimes
00:51:58.160 but always 0.55
00:51:58.820 chimp
00:51:59.320 I mean 0.97
00:52:00.460 I guess
00:52:00.920 you can
00:52:01.200 sit around
00:52:01.680 and say
00:52:02.100 well
00:52:02.520 you know
00:52:03.000 the posting
00:52:04.200 never matters
00:52:04.920 and ultimately
00:52:06.280 this is just
00:52:06.900 you trying
00:52:07.320 to sell
00:52:07.660 yourself
00:52:08.100 on your
00:52:09.280 ability
00:52:09.560 to influence
00:52:10.040 the president
00:52:10.620 I would
00:52:11.600 have a very
00:52:12.280 hard time
00:52:12.720 believing that
00:52:13.280 having watched
00:52:13.940 just like
00:52:14.500 basic events
00:52:15.860 like I hear
00:52:16.720 you
00:52:16.960 I'm not
00:52:17.360 suddenly like
00:52:18.060 the biggest
00:52:18.500 democracy
00:52:19.020 fan or
00:52:19.480 anything
00:52:19.760 but it's
00:52:20.420 very clear
00:52:20.860 that Donald
00:52:21.420 Trump
00:52:21.660 monitors
00:52:22.220 the situation
00:52:23.040 on social
00:52:23.540 media
00:52:23.860 and the
00:52:24.200 general
00:52:24.460 feedback
00:52:24.880 that the
00:52:26.100 administration
00:52:28.600 is receiving
00:52:29.760 and adjusts
00:52:30.960 accordingly
00:52:31.300 we've seen
00:52:31.780 this on
00:52:32.620 immigration
00:52:33.440 the carve
00:52:34.180 outs
00:52:34.460 when it
00:52:34.700 comes to
00:52:35.040 specific
00:52:35.420 industries
00:52:35.900 these things
00:52:36.640 were specifically
00:52:37.200 rolled back
00:52:37.800 because of
00:52:38.380 the pushback
00:52:39.020 you know
00:52:39.960 I like
00:52:40.960 Trump
00:52:41.260 but ultimately
00:52:41.840 I think
00:52:42.280 the thing
00:52:43.220 that a lot
00:52:43.520 of people
00:52:43.760 said is
00:52:44.180 correct
00:52:44.640 Trump's
00:52:45.400 social media
00:52:46.000 posting is
00:52:46.840 basically a
00:52:47.360 reflection of
00:52:47.820 the last five
00:52:48.340 people he's
00:52:48.760 talked to
00:52:49.180 and so you
00:52:51.040 want to be the
00:52:51.520 last person he's
00:52:52.140 talked to before
00:52:52.700 he makes a
00:52:53.140 decision
00:52:53.480 you might find 1.00
00:52:54.460 that stupid 1.00
00:52:55.000 okay 1.00
00:52:55.920 congratulations
00:52:56.640 democracy is 1.00
00:52:57.440 dumb 1.00
00:52:57.660 but also 1.00
00:52:58.700 that's kind
00:52:59.860 of the world
00:53:00.240 we're in
00:53:00.720 and if we
00:53:01.220 have the ability
00:53:01.920 to move
00:53:02.280 Trump on
00:53:02.740 immigration
00:53:03.180 I'm gonna
00:53:03.880 move him
00:53:04.260 yeah if you
00:53:05.300 don't like that
00:53:05.840 you think that's
00:53:06.380 cope that's
00:53:07.100 fine I'm gonna
00:53:07.740 keep trying to
00:53:08.280 do it as much
00:53:08.760 as possible
00:53:09.260 because it's
00:53:09.900 literally the
00:53:10.320 only thing
00:53:10.640 I have
00:53:11.100 to work
00:53:11.980 with
00:53:12.200 again it
00:53:12.820 doesn't make
00:53:13.180 me a big
00:53:13.720 enthusiastic
00:53:14.880 supporter of
00:53:16.060 the democratic
00:53:16.540 process but
00:53:17.840 it does mean
00:53:18.380 that if I
00:53:18.880 you know if
00:53:19.520 you're gonna
00:53:19.740 hand me this
00:53:20.280 thing and it
00:53:20.780 seems to work
00:53:21.240 on occasion
00:53:21.740 in a pretty
00:53:22.580 important way
00:53:23.120 I'm probably
00:53:23.640 gonna use it
00:53:24.520 yeah never
00:53:25.540 never not
00:53:26.620 use tools
00:53:27.500 that you know
00:53:28.000 have some
00:53:28.560 kind of impact
00:53:29.520 I mean even
00:53:30.180 if you consider
00:53:30.900 it cope or
00:53:31.500 whatever I do
00:53:32.160 know that there
00:53:33.300 are quite a few
00:53:33.880 people that you
00:53:34.560 and I are
00:53:34.820 mutuals with
00:53:35.680 that have
00:53:36.520 been followed
00:53:37.600 by or are
00:53:38.280 currently followed
00:53:38.920 by numerous
00:53:39.520 people in the
00:53:40.040 administration from
00:53:40.900 the vice president
00:53:41.600 onwards the
00:53:43.240 they have some
00:53:43.940 impact so I
00:53:45.420 mean never
00:53:45.940 never unload
00:53:46.840 your gun so
00:53:47.560 to speak
00:53:48.000 I've been
00:53:49.180 mutuals with
00:53:49.860 Donald Trump
00:53:51.040 jr and JD
00:53:51.740 Vance for
00:53:52.160 literally years
00:53:52.880 so it's not
00:53:54.220 like it's not
00:53:55.220 like I'm just
00:53:55.660 like oh I
00:53:56.180 wonder if
00:53:56.560 anyone's
00:53:57.100 monitoring the
00:53:57.760 twitter feed
00:53:58.320 like come on
00:53:59.520 guys like at
00:54:00.380 some point you
00:54:01.260 know you're
00:54:01.880 coping blood
00:54:04.100 based here with
00:54:04.780 the donation
00:54:05.200 thank you very
00:54:05.780 much sir very
00:54:06.320 much appreciate
00:54:06.880 that Mel Gibson
00:54:08.820 after four beer
00:54:09.500 says sick of
00:54:10.200 seeing these
00:54:10.960 razor fist
00:54:11.520 types smearing
00:54:12.480 people like
00:54:12.980 Tucker and
00:54:13.380 other Israel 0.95
00:54:14.320 skeptics for
00:54:14.940 being rightfully
00:54:16.020 unsure about
00:54:16.760 Trump's actions
00:54:17.500 look I like
00:54:18.560 razor fist
00:54:19.120 ultimately I
00:54:19.880 enjoy his
00:54:20.440 content but I
00:54:21.860 will say that
00:54:22.460 there is a
00:54:23.360 again a tedious
00:54:24.800 amount of this
00:54:25.820 on both sides
00:54:26.500 on one side I
00:54:27.600 see people
00:54:28.260 saying we're
00:54:29.200 going to you
00:54:30.000 know we're
00:54:30.540 going to this
00:54:31.480 global war it's
00:54:32.480 going to be
00:54:32.740 world war three
00:54:33.440 because got
00:54:34.600 involved in
00:54:35.380 Iran I
00:54:36.000 think that
00:54:36.320 was an
00:54:36.760 overstatement
00:54:37.540 there are
00:54:38.260 also people
00:54:38.900 saying anybody
00:54:39.620 who doubts
00:54:40.200 anything that
00:54:40.860 Trump is doing 0.99
00:54:41.560 is fool and 1.00
00:54:42.380 an idiot and 1.00
00:54:43.360 you should never 1.00
00:54:43.940 push back and
00:54:44.720 trust in every
00:54:45.460 scenario and
00:54:47.060 you know I
00:54:47.780 think that's 0.98
00:54:48.200 foolish as well 0.98
00:54:48.900 I am a 1.00
00:54:49.520 planned truster
00:54:50.380 to the extent
00:54:51.300 that I think
00:54:51.880 ultimately Trump
00:54:53.380 is playing a game
00:54:54.280 at a higher level
00:54:54.880 than many people
00:54:55.660 and is our best
00:54:56.820 option at the
00:54:57.400 moment but I'm
00:54:58.480 also not a
00:54:59.040 blind faith guy
00:54:59.780 I'm gonna say
00:55:00.720 something is wrong
00:55:02.320 when I think it's
00:55:02.920 wrong it doesn't
00:55:03.920 there I think
00:55:05.080 the balance is
00:55:05.680 always push back
00:55:06.800 on the idea but
00:55:07.540 don't attack the
00:55:08.120 man which is
00:55:08.700 what I've done
00:55:09.140 on a repeated
00:55:09.580 basis Trump
00:55:10.460 saying something
00:55:11.200 I think is
00:55:11.840 it's probably
00:55:12.500 informed by bad
00:55:13.480 advisors I'm
00:55:14.120 going to push
00:55:14.400 back on that
00:55:15.020 but I'm not
00:55:15.640 going to attack
00:55:16.100 him and say
00:55:16.600 oh well you're 1.00
00:55:17.460 the worst 1.00
00:55:17.880 person and
00:55:18.500 you know
00:55:18.900 doing the
00:55:19.480 you know
00:55:19.880 the the
00:55:20.420 Trump has to
00:55:21.080 be impeached
00:55:21.620 because he
00:55:21.960 violated the
00:55:22.540 War Powers Act 0.55
00:55:23.200 that's that's
00:55:24.120 where things get 0.99
00:55:24.700 stupid that's 0.99
00:55:25.200 probably most of 1.00
00:55:25.860 what Razor Fist
00:55:27.080 is talking about
00:55:27.860 but I think
00:55:28.380 ultimately it is
00:55:29.380 foolish to say 0.94
00:55:30.380 oh well you 1.00
00:55:30.960 just need to
00:55:31.460 follow Trump
00:55:32.400 and never say
00:55:33.100 anything if you
00:55:34.160 think a bad
00:55:34.700 move is happening
00:55:35.440 because again I
00:55:36.640 think he obviously
00:55:37.400 listens I think
00:55:38.100 that that's very
00:55:38.760 clear yeah I mean
00:55:40.040 like it's very
00:55:40.980 obvious and it's
00:55:41.860 something that people
00:55:42.720 kind of might sound
00:55:43.540 pretentious or
00:55:44.060 whatever it's just
00:55:44.520 like but Trump
00:55:45.460 isn't you know
00:55:46.300 Jesus you know
00:55:47.080 like I quote the
00:55:48.160 Psalter all the
00:55:48.600 time just not
00:55:49.080 princes and the
00:55:49.640 sons of men but
00:55:50.380 like you don't
00:55:51.220 have to hate the
00:55:52.520 the movement or
00:55:53.240 the guy to a
00:55:54.260 point where like
00:55:54.660 you have to
00:55:54.980 disavow him over
00:55:55.760 one action but
00:55:56.600 clearly like you
00:55:57.320 can push back and
00:55:58.340 I think that's a
00:55:58.880 big part of the
00:55:59.680 the media ecosystem
00:56:01.180 or this big sort
00:56:02.080 of I guess chimp 0.92
00:56:02.740 out as people
00:56:03.240 like to say on
00:56:03.820 Twitter over it
00:56:04.540 is that you can
00:56:05.520 be critical without
00:56:06.540 necessarily painting
00:56:07.760 yourself into a
00:56:08.520 rhetorical corner
00:56:09.280 where you basically
00:56:10.340 ghettoize yourself
00:56:11.360 for your position
00:56:12.100 but at the same
00:56:13.240 time you know
00:56:14.140 when we are
00:56:14.880 when a lot of us
00:56:15.960 don't have the
00:56:16.620 degree of influence
00:56:17.440 that say Orin or
00:56:18.280 other people may
00:56:19.220 have it's just
00:56:20.040 how much of this
00:56:21.120 is just impotently
00:56:22.320 tweeting out to the
00:56:23.220 void like a boomer 0.93
00:56:24.160 yelling at his
00:56:24.700 television compared
00:56:25.660 to well I'm going 0.99
00:56:26.800 to start some crap 0.98
00:56:27.680 because it helps me 0.99
00:56:28.480 get internet points
00:56:29.380 or cloud or a
00:56:30.100 couple of extra
00:56:30.620 dollars in my
00:56:31.360 Patreon or my
00:56:32.320 you know buy me a
00:56:33.020 coffee or Venmo
00:56:33.740 wallet or whatever
00:56:34.580 and I think it's
00:56:35.820 just sort of
00:56:36.180 important to
00:56:36.860 understand and I'm
00:56:37.900 sure a lot of the
00:56:38.500 people who are
00:56:38.960 donating or listening
00:56:39.640 know this but like
00:56:40.620 Twitter can be a
00:56:41.280 great place to get
00:56:42.400 information and to
00:56:43.200 get sort of these
00:56:43.800 rhetorical polemical
00:56:44.960 engines moving and
00:56:46.220 running to move the
00:56:46.880 direction of the
00:56:47.420 discourse but at the
00:56:48.640 same time it can be
00:56:49.700 full of the worst
00:56:50.900 snake oil salesmen 0.96
00:56:52.100 that are just looking
00:56:52.780 for their own
00:56:53.200 advancement and it's a
00:56:54.760 great place where
00:56:55.340 nuance goes to die so
00:56:56.880 it's important to be
00:56:57.780 careful.
00:56:59.100 Yeah and I don't
00:56:59.700 want to be a nuance
00:57:00.400 bro you know I don't
00:57:01.380 want to be like oh
00:57:01.940 dude you got to have
00:57:02.580 yeah it's all about
00:57:03.380 the I'm the I'm the
00:57:05.280 rational center but at
00:57:06.580 the same time I've
00:57:07.640 only been a professional
00:57:08.620 political pundit for a
00:57:09.740 few years but in my
00:57:10.740 experience the thing
00:57:12.240 that matters most is
00:57:13.780 is integrity right like
00:57:15.740 you you can be wrong
00:57:17.080 as long as you're
00:57:18.280 willing to admit that
00:57:19.160 you're wrong acknowledge
00:57:20.380 the mistake acknowledge
00:57:21.380 where the air took
00:57:22.180 place and move forward
00:57:23.040 but which can't be as
00:57:23.860 disingenuous and if
00:57:25.320 you're always selling a
00:57:26.100 position because it's
00:57:27.260 straight ideology or
00:57:28.360 because it you know
00:57:29.780 plays to the crowd or
00:57:31.180 it's what's gonna get
00:57:31.840 you clicks people are
00:57:33.100 gonna be able to figure
00:57:33.780 it out yeah it did not
00:57:35.320 in the short term there
00:57:36.120 are people who make
00:57:36.960 lots of money running
00:57:38.300 from thing to thing for
00:57:39.620 a certain amount of
00:57:40.220 time but they tend to
00:57:41.360 burn out or lose
00:57:42.080 credibility or become
00:57:42.980 characters and yeah you
00:57:44.320 can spend the rest of
00:57:44.960 your life raw rawing to
00:57:45.980 that one specific you
00:57:47.400 know section of the
00:57:48.680 choir but that that's
00:57:50.420 not a great existence
00:57:51.180 most people don't really
00:57:52.180 respect those people at
00:57:53.160 the end of the day and
00:57:54.480 so you know just in my
00:57:56.840 experience that's the
00:57:57.560 way to go again not
00:57:58.700 everybody has time to
00:57:59.420 evaluate political
00:58:00.200 pundits to that level
00:58:01.160 and nor should you
00:58:02.240 spend a lot amount of
00:58:03.320 a large amount of
00:58:03.940 your life trying to
00:58:04.800 to figure that out
00:58:05.900 there are better
00:58:06.280 things to do with
00:58:06.880 your time but that's
00:58:08.240 just been my
00:58:08.780 experience
00:58:09.320 uh duke de sel says
00:58:13.420 woke and the ga are 0.97
00:58:14.940 dead long live cbds and
00:58:17.580 new technocratic world
00:58:19.140 order am i missing
00:58:20.040 what cbd sees oh
00:58:21.580 central digital bank
00:58:22.580 currencies or something
00:58:23.440 like that some of
00:58:25.560 that's certainly going
00:58:26.280 to be pushed but uh
00:58:27.820 yeah the the tech
00:58:29.120 technocracy has never
00:58:30.140 gone away it's always
00:58:31.160 been this progressive
00:58:31.980 thing that people on
00:58:32.980 both sides are going to
00:58:33.840 utilize and uh only
00:58:35.540 only time will tell
00:58:36.460 about how bad that
00:58:37.320 gets yeah i don't
00:58:38.920 think we're even
00:58:39.520 getting rid of woke
00:58:40.240 technocracy i think
00:58:41.280 you're just gonna get
00:58:42.040 the uh the let me
00:58:43.820 trigger james lindsey
00:58:44.480 here dialectic uh
00:58:45.840 between woke and
00:58:47.100 non-woke technocracy
00:58:48.220 that's going to be the
00:58:49.060 only thing that
00:58:49.540 actually exists uh not
00:58:51.280 not not a uh option
00:58:52.760 to do anything else 0.94
00:58:54.080 your your gay race 1.00
00:58:55.100 communism will be on 0.99
00:58:56.200 the blockchain unless
00:58:57.260 some drastic changes
00:58:58.640 happen that's right
00:58:59.920 paladin yyz says
00:59:01.780 having intelligent
00:59:02.740 play-by-play analysis
00:59:03.780 regarding the fog
00:59:04.600 war is what happens 0.88
00:59:05.480 when we let those
00:59:07.020 that don't eat bacon
00:59:08.060 steal all of our
00:59:09.300 bacon
00:59:09.780 and then he also says
00:59:14.160 i saw an article on
00:59:15.080 how the air india flight
00:59:16.440 to london uh has
00:59:18.120 caused an outbreak of
00:59:19.320 indians having a fear 1.00
00:59:20.360 of flying to london
00:59:21.420 serendipity is still
00:59:22.980 the best proof of god
00:59:24.600 uh let's see here
00:59:28.180 we've got count artha
00:59:30.020 which says uh missed
00:59:31.240 most of the stream i've
00:59:32.160 been busy all day is
00:59:33.580 nothing ever still
00:59:34.400 happening well glad
00:59:35.880 you could at least
00:59:36.360 join us near the
00:59:37.100 answer and of course
00:59:37.840 remember all these
00:59:38.540 strings are available
00:59:39.220 for playback on you
00:59:40.900 know rumble and
00:59:41.960 odyssey and youtube
00:59:43.000 along with the blaze
00:59:44.500 and your favorite
00:59:45.200 podcast platform uh
00:59:46.880 but i would say
00:59:47.660 there's a happening
00:59:48.480 uh but i do not
00:59:49.500 think it was the
00:59:50.080 world war happening
00:59:51.060 that uh some people
00:59:52.180 blew it out to uh
00:59:53.760 to say it was
00:59:54.860 friendly says
00:59:56.720 if the law of
00:59:57.820 mutually assured
00:59:58.540 destruction prevents
00:59:59.300 powers from launching
01:00:00.240 their nukes
01:00:00.720 why would having
01:00:01.700 nukes prevent them
01:00:02.660 from going to war
01:00:04.700 or why would having
01:00:06.000 nukes prevent them
01:00:06.840 sorry if the law
01:00:08.780 of mutually assured
01:00:09.340 destruction prevents
01:00:10.280 powers from launching
01:00:11.200 their nukes why would
01:00:12.220 having nukes prevent
01:00:12.960 them from going to war
01:00:13.780 well it literally
01:00:14.580 doesn't i think as we
01:00:15.660 saw from uh the iran
01:00:17.600 from the pakistan and india uh exchange right i guess they didn't go to full-blown war so
01:00:22.600 maybe it prevents a certain level of war uh but uh we we you know obviously we're basically in a
01:00:29.220 proxy war with russia right now and no one has launched any nukes uh and so i think that there
01:00:34.520 there is a very strange uh substrata of war where like basically you can do this much war without
01:00:40.560 triggering nuclear deterrence but but not no higher so there's i guess nuclear deterrence
01:00:45.460 sets a ceiling on the intensity of war but does not prevent conflict overall but prudential this
01:00:51.140 is probably a better question for you yeah and i i think the other thing really too to consider that
01:00:55.460 and this goes back to that uh these debates between scott sagan and and kenneth waltz was well what are
01:01:01.780 your capabilities to have second strike capability what is the current rate or production of your
01:01:07.920 nuclear arsenal what does your government look like in terms of competence and diplomacy these are
01:01:12.280 things that all kind of get considered and i mean as oran had pointed out like you know you can only
01:01:17.880 have so much war and as we saw during the biden administration there were conversations that
01:01:22.260 happened between the defense secretary lloyd austin and the biden government alongside with
01:01:27.040 ukrainians and the russians so when the ukrainians did something that seemed like escalatory there were
01:01:32.220 always calls to washington about like hey did you authorize this did you approve it in the same way
01:01:36.460 that we've kind of watched um iran and america say like you people should evacuate before i bomb this
01:01:42.400 place and people like to reduce this to kayfabe or theater but it's also sort of this strategic
01:01:47.580 diplomatic out that people are giving themselves to avoid it like conflict obviously has still
01:01:52.200 happened i mean uh yes nuclear weapons have maybe reduced um some of the large-scale conflicts that we
01:01:57.880 have been grown worried about maybe during the fears of the cold war and all the world war three
01:02:02.120 concerned but at the same time we also have to seriously consider well what is pakistan's second
01:02:07.640 strike capability or what would iran's second strike capability look like because if you can't do
01:02:12.680 it and your attacks with nuclear weapons would just be inviting suicide because you can't intercept or
01:02:17.540 retaliate it kind of limits things but at the same time the biggest thing that from what i've read
01:02:22.320 and what i've witnessed is is that it's really concerning when governments especially diplomats and
01:02:27.660 security officials stop talking to each other and once those lines of communications are
01:02:31.820 off then the security dilemma gets really uneasy and really high and that's when people get worried
01:02:37.040 but i i think at the end of the day when it comes to this stuff uh iran still wants to pursue a nuclear
01:02:42.560 weapon and they probably will because they know that you get treated differently on on the world stage
01:02:47.740 um once that happens
01:02:49.460 kmax mcdonald says is it fair to say israel mostly took over american foreign policy when the cold war ended i
01:02:58.420 don't feel it was quite as talked about until the 1990s in george w bush pat buchanan and ron paul
01:03:05.040 were its only critics then oh well i wouldn't say it's only critics there were there were several others
01:03:11.000 uh very notably uh you had um russell kirk who got canceled for uh saying that some american politicians
01:03:18.440 forget that the capital of america is not tel aviv uh that said i think america probably has had
01:03:24.940 its own foreign policy interests of course and has acted in in accordance with those but it's
01:03:31.220 undeniable especially in this particular case that israel had a significant influence like i said
01:03:36.140 no one was talking about whether or not we needed to end israel or iran's nuclear capacity just a few
01:03:43.280 weeks ago that was not the focus of the government it immediately became the focus it became the focus
01:03:47.940 for one singular reason israel launched an attack in iran you can feel that they were justified you can say 1.00
01:03:53.700 that that's the right thing you can do you can even say the united states should have been more
01:03:56.440 concerned and involved with that but what you can't do is say that the priority stack didn't get
01:04:01.180 shuffled simply because israel made a unilateral uh decision to make an attack on iran you can't call
01:04:09.120 that not influence like you can say the influence is good you can say the influence is bad but don't
01:04:14.280 don't tell me that you know an issue that literally did not exist for the vast majority of americans
01:04:19.620 a couple weeks ago suddenly becomes the most important issue in the world because israel takes 0.93
01:04:24.480 action and that has nothing to do with some level of influence with israel i think that's pretty
01:04:29.340 obvious yeah and as you mentioned oran it wasn't just those two that had criticized about it there is
01:04:34.120 a laundry list of people who have been criticized uh for for making very obvious observations about that
01:04:39.380 kind of influence from sam francis to the late and great joe soberan to um of course ron paul and pat
01:04:46.640 buchanan who had gotten in trouble even when he talked about you know these things in in 2011
01:04:51.240 uh in 2012 when he had put out his book about the suicide of superpower um so i mean yeah clearly
01:04:56.900 there's influence there you can debate the the value or the worth or how much influence that it has but
01:05:01.380 it is a certain faction that or a certain degree of influence that has a very pro-interventionist
01:05:06.780 um faction in there and i mean you can see that from everyone from lindsey graham in the senate to
01:05:11.740 randy fine in the house of representatives uh it does clearly illustrate some of the
01:05:15.920 problems that america has not just with say like you know the israel foreign policy but even inside
01:05:21.040 uh other countries too or when it comes to say like somalia with ilhan omar and others like that
01:05:26.760 there is a fundamental problem it's not just with say like israeli influence it is a blanket problem
01:05:31.740 of dual citizens influencing the united states government let's not forget that just a few weeks
01:05:37.640 ago the president of mexico literally told her citizens in the united states to continue riots so that
01:05:44.280 they could affect american foreign policy or american domestic policy so yeah the greater mexico
01:05:49.720 doctrine in which the literal president of that country recognizes that illegal immigrants are here
01:05:56.060 to serve her interests and she commands them to act on the behalf of her nation yeah it's it's not just
01:06:02.480 israel having an effect on the united states this is why you know again we go to samuel huntington
01:06:08.420 talking about the influence that diasporas have you know he points that armenia is often called you
01:06:14.260 know the the other the other israel lobby because of its level of influence because of the large
01:06:19.380 armenian diaspora in certain key cities in the united states so that you know whether it be somalia or
01:06:24.760 mexico or israel or armenia or any of these nations uh having a large population or an influential
01:06:31.060 population in key areas of the united states is going to allow you to influence the united states which is
01:06:36.320 why a number of founding fathers warned us about special relationships with foreign countries
01:06:41.600 because this is exactly the incentive that it sets up all right guys we're going to go ahead and wrap
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