The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Kids Are Woke Right!

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00:01:33.480 So if you have been on the show, if you watch this show for a while,

00:01:37.840 you know that try not to do a lot of drama on the channel.

00:01:42.520 It's usually not my focus.

00:01:44.100 Try to keep things in the area of ideas.

00:01:46.680 However, from time to time, have to address some of the things that are going on.

00:01:52.140 Obviously, we talk about popular culture all the time,

00:01:55.200 but sometimes, unfortunately, you also have to get into the back and forth

00:01:58.920 that are occurring in, I guess, the commentariat, the social sphere, right?

00:02:04.400 And the big reason that I feel like we have to do this today

00:02:07.600 is that there's been an interesting development in the term woke right.

00:02:12.400 Again, if you've watched this before, you've seen me talk about what the woke right

00:02:16.540 is or what people like James Lindsay are trying to make it.

00:02:20.260 It's a smear campaign meant to silence anyone who disagrees with basically center liberals

00:02:26.280 who are trying to take over the conservative movement

00:02:29.660 because they don't want any actual right wing,

00:02:32.200 any actual conservatism to exist in the United States.

00:02:34.840 This game has been played for a very long time in the U.S.

00:02:38.420 This is basically the way that the right has been managed my entire life.

00:02:42.400 And it looks like for once, we might actually get people who are interested

00:02:45.600 in conserving something for real, actually being right wing in a meaningful sense.

00:02:50.520 And of course, that means all the people who have spent the last few decades

00:02:53.420 railing about the progressive left have to show up and say,

00:02:56.220 oh, no, now I'm worried about the right because the only thing you can be

00:02:59.320 is a good liberal centrist.

00:03:00.600 That's the only acceptable position.

00:03:02.700 I'm so open-minded.

00:03:03.820 I'm so dedicated to the marketplace of ideas

00:03:06.160 that the only type of politics I can allow

00:03:09.560 are the ones that look exactly like mine.

00:03:12.100 And so you get terms like the woke right that are manufactured.

00:03:15.320 And again, there's no real content there.

00:03:17.560 It just exists to slander people and group everybody together

00:03:22.140 in a way that you can easily use to cancel or pressure people.

00:03:25.480 It's a tactic you might recognize from the left

00:03:28.380 because that's exactly what these people are doing.

00:03:32.080 Now, I wouldn't be doing this video

00:03:34.180 if James Lindsay had just gone on another show

00:03:36.420 to talk about what the woke right is

00:03:38.800 because he's done that plenty of times.

00:03:40.740 And I've kind of gone over the fact

00:03:42.880 that what he's saying is just vacuous.

00:03:45.180 It holds no real truth.

00:03:47.380 Everyone, I think, who looks at this honestly

00:03:49.480 can recognize what he's doing.

00:03:50.680 He's even admitted openly that what he's doing

00:03:53.060 is designing a term to smear people.

00:03:55.400 It's particularly manufactured so we can attack people.

00:04:00.120 But the interesting thing this time

00:04:01.960 is he went on a show with Jordan Peterson,

00:04:04.380 who has had his own problems with anonymous people on the internet.

00:04:09.680 We'll dive into that as we review the clips here.

00:04:12.860 But the thing that was different this time

00:04:14.840 is right after James Lindsay kind of spouted off

00:04:17.720 a lot of nonsense in this interview,

00:04:20.120 he then turned around and attacked Matt Walsh

00:04:23.840 of the Daily Wire for being part of the woke right.

00:04:28.140 Now, I don't know about you,

00:04:30.400 but that's not the smartest tactic to appear on a guy's network

00:04:34.380 and talk about how the woke right is evil

00:04:36.960 and they're all Nazis

00:04:38.160 and then to turn around and attack the other people

00:04:41.760 on the same network with the same phrase.

00:04:44.940 You're just turning around and telling everyone

00:04:46.280 you think Matt Walsh is a Nazi.

00:04:48.980 And so James Lindsay got into it with Matt Walsh

00:04:52.000 and basically half the internet,

00:04:53.640 like it's half the conservative sphere

00:04:55.180 because most people recognize that Matt Walsh

00:04:57.580 is not one of these people.

00:04:59.480 And the fact that James Lindsay is making it so clear

00:05:02.460 that he's willing to use this language on anyone

00:05:04.900 and everyone who disagrees with them,

00:05:06.480 no matter their actual positions,

00:05:08.660 it really creates a stark contrast.

00:05:10.720 So I want to dive into that dynamic today.

00:05:13.340 Why did James Lindsay go after Matt Walsh?

00:05:15.980 What triggered this attack?

00:05:18.300 And how does this play out?

00:05:20.180 What does this look like for the wider right wing

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00:06:24.320 All right, guys.

00:06:25.400 So here is the genesis of what happened.

00:06:27.700 I don't know the order of operations.

00:06:29.520 I don't know if James Lindsay and Jordan Peterson

00:06:32.220 planned this in advance.

00:06:34.360 I do know that I've seen Jordan Peterson

00:06:37.040 adopting some of James Lindsay's stuff.

00:06:39.680 He's corrected a number of James Lindsay's assertions

00:06:42.940 about the quote-unquote woke right.

00:06:45.420 So they already kind of didn't agree,

00:06:48.000 but sort of agreed online previously.

00:06:50.980 So I imagine this conversation was a way

00:06:54.260 to smooth that out or try to set some kind of narrative,

00:06:58.300 try to have it actually coalesce,

00:06:59.980 because as I've pointed out repeatedly,

00:07:01.780 Lindsay's definition makes no sense.

00:07:03.600 He knows it makes no sense.

00:07:04.740 He's repeated multiple times that he had not fleshed it out,

00:07:07.620 that it really didn't have a lot of content.

00:07:09.740 And again, it's just an empty term

00:07:11.140 that he uses to attack people rhetorically.

00:07:13.680 However, he's been trying to like reverse engineer content

00:07:17.760 into this term now that he's kind of successfully anchored it

00:07:21.520 somewhat in the zeitgeist.

00:07:23.220 So again, this is a very classic move.

00:07:25.820 You create the rhetorical frame and then you fill it.

00:07:28.860 He didn't know what he was saying.

00:07:30.600 He just coined the verbiage first.

00:07:33.240 So if he thought if he was vague enough with it,

00:07:36.440 people might fill the content in for him.

00:07:38.480 And to some degree, he was right

00:07:39.840 because James Lindsay is very wrong,

00:07:42.580 but James Lindsay isn't stupid.

00:07:44.260 James knows what he's doing.

00:07:45.420 He's creating a dialectic.

00:07:48.240 He's creating the thing that he warns people about the most.

00:07:51.180 He's hoping that if he can get these two sides to argue

00:07:53.880 and he can get one side to inhabit the frame

00:07:56.080 that he's setting for them,

00:07:57.400 then he can shape the discussion that's going on.

00:07:59.840 And he knows that the more that the whole thing is discussed,

00:08:03.040 the more he gets that purchase.

00:08:04.960 Again, the only reason I'm talking about today

00:08:06.900 is that seems to have backfired on him quite badly.

00:08:10.640 So he did the show with Jordan Peterson

00:08:12.700 and I can't do the whole thing

00:08:14.460 because it's an hour and a half.

00:08:16.120 Obviously, we can't watch it all together here.

00:08:18.440 I've cut a few clips out of it

00:08:19.960 so we can kind of respond to,

00:08:22.340 I guess we could call it the highlights of that discussion

00:08:26.000 because it was rather absurd and rather bizarre

00:08:28.700 and in many ways somewhat content-free.

00:08:32.160 There are large chunks that I had to cut out

00:08:34.520 because it was just kind of these guys

00:08:36.000 repeating the same thing.

00:08:37.220 Like, that's Marxist.

00:08:38.460 Yes, it's Marxist.

00:08:39.420 It's very Marxist.

00:08:40.300 It's extremely Marxist.

00:08:41.340 Did you notice how Marxist it is?

00:08:42.800 Very Marxist.

00:08:43.780 We are saying it's Marxist.

00:08:45.000 Like, there's a lot of that

00:08:45.960 for like 20, 30-minute stretches.

00:08:48.180 It was quite impressive.

00:08:49.780 However, I think it's important to look at this scenario

00:08:54.280 because after Lindsay cut this show

00:08:58.100 where he literally, him and Peterson go on

00:09:01.040 for an hour and a half

00:09:02.440 talking about how basically all these people

00:09:04.980 who disagree with them are Nazis, right?

00:09:06.760 Like, that's, they talked endlessly about the Nazis.

00:09:10.020 They couldn't stop talking.

00:09:11.180 In fact, James Lindsay repeatedly tells you

00:09:12.880 to read Mein Kampf during this.

00:09:15.100 Make of that what you will.

00:09:16.700 So they could not stop talking about it,

00:09:19.120 which is very different from the left.

00:09:20.640 You know, the good thing is that

00:09:21.940 James Lindsay and Jordan Peterson

00:09:23.040 are not adapting the strategies of the left

00:09:26.400 for their own ends.

00:09:27.720 And you can tell

00:09:28.320 because they're only talking

00:09:29.780 exactly like leftist talk, right?

00:09:31.900 Everybody is a Nazi.

00:09:33.120 Everybody who disagrees with me is a Nazi.

00:09:35.560 Everything that is outside of my Overton window

00:09:39.460 is fascism or communism.

00:09:41.740 You know, like,

00:09:42.140 some of this might sound familiar to you, right?

00:09:45.900 It's Joe Biden calls you a fascist.

00:09:48.100 James Lindsay calls you a fascist.

00:09:49.860 Jordan Peterson kind of calls you a fascist.

00:09:52.160 But there's no connection there, right?

00:09:54.120 It's probably the woke right or something.

00:09:55.680 Anyway, the point is,

00:09:57.960 after going on and on,

00:09:59.700 calling all of his enemies Nazis,

00:10:02.780 James then goes on to Twitter.

00:10:06.020 And what's the controversy

00:10:07.060 for the last few days on Twitter?

00:10:08.920 Well, if you watched my episode from Monday,

00:10:11.920 you know that there was the showdown

00:10:13.720 over Shiloh Hendricks

00:10:15.480 and her use of the hard R

00:10:17.320 when addressing a black man in Minnesota

00:10:21.620 and the fundraisers

00:10:23.440 and all of the stuff

00:10:24.300 that kind of came out of that.

00:10:25.680 Now, Matt Walsh

00:10:26.680 has been pretty good

00:10:28.200 on this kind of stuff.

00:10:29.800 Matt's one of the guys

00:10:31.280 who is definitely

00:10:32.760 gets it to a decent degree

00:10:35.580 when it comes to

00:10:36.400 kind of the mainstream,

00:10:37.660 top tier,

00:10:38.620 big platform guys.

00:10:40.340 And he's been pretty good

00:10:42.140 on these issues in general

00:10:43.520 in the last few years.

00:10:44.720 And he was specifically very good

00:10:47.080 on the Shiloh Hendricks thing.

00:10:48.560 You know, he had a take that was,

00:10:49.840 I think,

00:10:50.420 relatively similar to mine

00:10:51.820 where, like,

00:10:52.720 even if this woman's behavior

00:10:54.460 isn't perfect,

00:10:55.620 she obviously should not have

00:10:57.120 her life destroyed

00:10:57.880 for uttering a word.

00:10:59.200 And the fact that uttering

00:11:00.540 that uttering this word

00:11:02.120 that we still can't talk about

00:11:03.260 because, of course,

00:11:03.980 it would be blasphemy

00:11:05.240 and we would all lose our,

00:11:06.280 because, you know,

00:11:07.140 there might be a little bit

00:11:08.100 of power imbalance

00:11:09.360 in this word.

00:11:11.300 The fact that that is still

00:11:12.920 such an incredible taboo

00:11:14.380 in our society

00:11:14.960 and people think that

00:11:15.760 that literally means

00:11:16.480 you should die

00:11:17.240 or you should be arrested

00:11:18.480 or your family should be attacked

00:11:20.580 and that a decent amount

00:11:21.820 of conservatives

00:11:22.320 seem relatively okay

00:11:23.540 with that outcome.

00:11:25.540 And they're like,

00:11:25.880 they're so obsessed

00:11:26.740 with being good anti-racists

00:11:28.380 that they think that

00:11:30.000 you just shouldn't make sure

00:11:31.540 that a woman is safe,

00:11:32.640 ultimately,

00:11:33.660 even if she used

00:11:35.400 inappropriate language.

00:11:37.260 That's kind of where

00:11:38.060 they're at at this point.

00:11:39.280 Like, yeah,

00:11:39.560 you can kind of destroy

00:11:40.740 a woman's life

00:11:41.300 for using an appropriate language.

00:11:42.720 That's reasonable.

00:11:43.920 But, you know,

00:11:44.580 some dude can raise

00:11:45.660 half a million dollars

00:11:46.500 after overstabbing a white kid.

00:11:47.880 That's fine.

00:11:48.440 Like, that dichotomy is fine.

00:11:50.220 There doesn't need to be

00:11:51.040 any kind of backlash.

00:11:52.100 And, you know,

00:11:52.420 Ben Shapiro took the tact

00:11:54.280 you would expect, right?

00:11:55.240 He was like,

00:11:55.800 oh, it's terrible.

00:11:56.680 This is the worst thing

00:11:57.300 in the world.

00:11:58.000 How could you possibly

00:11:58.860 support this person?

00:12:00.800 Matt Walsh had more of the,

00:12:02.400 look, I don't like everything

00:12:03.340 she did here,

00:12:04.080 but ultimately,

00:12:05.000 I'm glad that this signals

00:12:06.180 the end of cancel culture.

00:12:07.440 And it's important

00:12:08.080 that cancel culture is dead

00:12:09.440 and that's more important

00:12:10.700 than if someone

00:12:11.800 from time to time

00:12:12.900 drops a hard R, right?

00:12:14.360 Like, it's not great behavior,

00:12:16.040 but that is much,

00:12:17.780 much less important

00:12:18.480 than getting rid

00:12:19.040 of cancel culture.

00:12:19.820 And so Matt was able

00:12:20.700 to see the forest

00:12:21.460 for the trees.

00:12:22.540 Now, Matt and Ben

00:12:23.660 having differences of opinion,

00:12:25.320 that's fine, right?

00:12:26.140 Like, they're both

00:12:26.640 on Daily Wire,

00:12:27.580 but they have differences

00:12:28.700 of opinion.

00:12:29.280 I have differences of opinion

00:12:30.280 with people on the Blaze,

00:12:31.560 and the Blaze is more than happy

00:12:33.360 to host multiple people

00:12:34.660 with different opinions.

00:12:35.520 That's the beauty

00:12:36.180 of having platforms

00:12:37.520 like this, right?

00:12:38.300 We're generally conservative,

00:12:39.720 we're generally right-wing,

00:12:40.980 but you can hear libertarians,

00:12:42.220 you can hear paleocons,

00:12:43.640 you can hear neocons,

00:12:44.840 you can hear traditionalists,

00:12:46.580 you can hear all kinds

00:12:47.600 of different,

00:12:48.520 you know,

00:12:49.140 kind of guys

00:12:50.360 who are on similar teams,

00:12:51.740 but have different ideas

00:12:53.440 and we can discuss that

00:12:54.460 and no one gets thrown

00:12:55.240 off the network

00:12:55.980 and that's fantastic.

00:12:57.000 And, you know,

00:12:57.620 the Daily Wire

00:12:58.160 has different opinions

00:12:59.100 and that's okay.

00:13:00.420 However,

00:13:01.540 it's a little embarrassing

00:13:03.640 when you have a guy

00:13:05.140 on your network

00:13:06.500 to discuss at length

00:13:07.940 for an hour and a half

00:13:08.800 this phrase

00:13:09.620 in which he basically links

00:13:11.280 everyone who disagrees

00:13:12.340 with him to being a Nazi

00:13:14.260 and then have him turn around

00:13:16.340 and literally call

00:13:17.220 one of your hosts

00:13:18.040 that phrase

00:13:18.980 because he's basically saying

00:13:20.520 that host is a Nazi.

00:13:22.080 Now,

00:13:22.820 James always does this

00:13:23.820 little move, right,

00:13:26.060 where he goes,

00:13:26.520 well,

00:13:26.920 I'm not saying

00:13:28.700 J.D. Vance is woke, right?

00:13:30.380 I'm not saying

00:13:31.080 J.D. Vance is a fascist.

00:13:32.520 I'm just saying

00:13:33.080 he's saying fascist things.

00:13:35.560 I'm not saying

00:13:36.720 that Matt Walsh

00:13:38.100 is the woke, right?

00:13:39.720 I'm just saying

00:13:40.560 he's woke, right,

00:13:41.220 adjacent.

00:13:41.740 He does the same thing

00:13:42.340 with Tucker Carlson.

00:13:43.400 He usually kind of includes him

00:13:44.960 as a half woke, right guy,

00:13:46.760 but he knows Tucker's too popular.

00:13:48.300 So he's very strategic

00:13:49.680 with his application

00:13:50.640 of the woke, right?

00:13:51.780 You might be in danger

00:13:53.880 of being excommunicated

00:13:56.700 by the great Pope,

00:13:57.720 James Lindsay.

00:13:58.300 You don't know this,

00:13:59.520 but James Lindsay

00:14:00.140 is actually the next guy

00:14:03.380 to sit in the Sea of Rome.

00:14:04.500 This is his plan.

00:14:07.000 He's going to dictate to you

00:14:08.140 what Christianity is or isn't.

00:14:10.200 He's the one

00:14:10.780 who's going to decide

00:14:11.460 who's acceptable

00:14:12.340 inside and outside

00:14:13.280 of the conservative movement.

00:14:16.280 And so he's going to threaten you

00:14:18.140 with excommunication.

00:14:19.040 He's probably not going to do it yet,

00:14:20.440 right?

00:14:20.760 But you're in danger,

00:14:22.140 Matt Walsh,

00:14:22.620 and you should know.

00:14:23.520 Be careful,

00:14:24.120 Tucker Carlson,

00:14:25.160 because James Lindsay,

00:14:26.340 he's got his eye on you,

00:14:27.360 and you could be labeled

00:14:28.600 woke right.

00:14:30.020 And therefore,

00:14:30.780 you're just out of the movement

00:14:32.020 because James Lindsay

00:14:33.160 tells you who's right wing.

00:14:35.000 When did he gain this power?

00:14:36.780 Maybe after leaving

00:14:38.520 the left wing

00:14:39.280 a few years ago?

00:14:41.240 Maybe after writing

00:14:41.880 a bunch of books

00:14:42.320 about how God is stupid?

00:14:43.820 I don't know.

00:14:44.480 It's up to you.

00:14:45.440 The point is,

00:14:46.580 this is a move

00:14:47.780 he uses very often.

00:14:49.360 However,

00:14:49.740 he went right at Matt Walsh

00:14:51.020 pretty hard, right?

00:14:52.300 He kept calling him

00:14:54.180 a midwit.

00:14:54.920 He kept attacking him

00:14:56.300 over and over again.

00:14:57.380 You're stupid.

00:14:58.020 You're an idiot.

00:14:59.100 And Walsh is just sitting there

00:15:00.420 like,

00:15:00.820 I just had a basic observation

00:15:03.280 on one political incident.

00:15:06.620 And this guy

00:15:07.500 who's talking about

00:15:08.120 the evils of cancel culture,

00:15:10.720 the evils of the right mobbing people,

00:15:13.000 the woke right mobbing people,

00:15:15.000 the guy who's talking about

00:15:16.200 the dangers of a friend-enemy distinction,

00:15:18.780 the dangers of tribalism,

00:15:20.320 that guy seems really tribal, actually.

00:15:22.900 He seems really good

00:15:23.960 at using the friend-enemy distinction.

00:15:25.540 He seems super big

00:15:26.780 on canceling people,

00:15:28.140 which is, of course,

00:15:28.860 exactly what James Lindsay

00:15:29.940 was trying to do, right?

00:15:31.380 Matt Walsh took a stand

00:15:33.760 on an issue

00:15:34.640 that James found unacceptable.

00:15:36.360 One stand.

00:15:37.640 And all of a sudden,

00:15:38.800 Matt's excommunicated, right?

00:15:40.680 He's out.

00:15:41.480 He's out of the church

00:15:42.340 of the right

00:15:42.860 because James Lindsay,

00:15:44.600 Pope of the right,

00:15:45.200 gets to decide

00:15:45.900 who's in and who's out.

00:15:47.400 And so he's labeled

00:15:48.360 Matt Walsh woke right

00:15:50.120 at this point

00:15:50.700 and is one of the untouchables.

00:15:52.740 Now, James has done this

00:15:53.520 to many people,

00:15:55.160 which is why his accusations

00:15:56.900 are so wild, right?

00:15:58.500 He's held me up

00:15:59.780 as one of the core members

00:16:01.360 of the woke right,

00:16:03.240 along with people

00:16:03.760 like Candace Owens

00:16:04.720 and Nick Fuentes,

00:16:05.580 because we're all

00:16:05.980 the same people, right?

00:16:06.840 We all hold

00:16:07.700 the same beliefs.

00:16:08.800 He's also added in people

00:16:10.600 like Yoram Harzoni,

00:16:12.420 who, you know,

00:16:13.200 if you can't tell

00:16:13.740 from the name,

00:16:14.280 is a very Jewish,

00:16:15.900 orthodox guy

00:16:16.840 who talks about nationalism.

00:16:19.360 So you have to understand

00:16:21.580 Yoram Harzoni

00:16:22.860 and Matt Walsh

00:16:23.980 are in the same group

00:16:26.000 as Nick Fuentes.

00:16:27.840 Why?

00:16:28.440 Because they agree on things?

00:16:30.420 Because they have

00:16:31.260 the same goal?

00:16:32.400 Because they even

00:16:33.140 would talk to each other

00:16:34.780 given the chance?

00:16:35.640 No, no.

00:16:37.000 Because James Lindsay

00:16:37.940 doesn't like them.

00:16:38.900 Because they're outside

00:16:39.980 of the Overton window

00:16:40.780 for James Lindsay

00:16:41.520 in one way or another.

00:16:43.300 They violate

00:16:43.920 his liberal paradigm.

00:16:46.040 And so they're all

00:16:46.860 woke right.

00:16:47.640 No matter how different

00:16:48.740 they are,

00:16:49.240 no matter how radically

00:16:50.540 they diverge

00:16:51.660 in their beliefs,

00:16:52.640 it doesn't matter.

00:16:54.320 Everybody's woke right.

00:16:55.260 And woke right,

00:16:56.020 as James is very clear,

00:16:57.700 and Jordan Peterson

00:16:58.840 is very clear

00:16:59.760 in this clip,

00:17:01.080 woke right means Nazi.

00:17:02.600 James is just calling

00:17:03.380 everyone who disagrees

00:17:04.320 with him a Nazi.

00:17:05.160 And that includes

00:17:05.860 Orthodox Jews.

00:17:06.700 That includes

00:17:07.840 mainstream conservative hosts

00:17:10.180 on the Daily Wire.

00:17:11.980 That includes academics.

00:17:14.160 It doesn't matter.

00:17:15.280 They're all woke right.

00:17:16.520 Everybody's woke right.

00:17:17.760 And he does this

00:17:18.960 over and over again.

00:17:19.920 He's alienated so many people.

00:17:21.180 Guys like Will Chamberlain,

00:17:22.520 who are like the most,

00:17:24.540 you know,

00:17:25.360 Israel boosters.

00:17:26.360 Like big guys

00:17:27.620 who love Israel.

00:17:29.020 And yet,

00:17:30.120 he's part of the woke right.

00:17:32.240 Why?

00:17:32.840 Because James doesn't like him.

00:17:34.800 So it doesn't matter

00:17:36.600 what you say.

00:17:37.160 It doesn't matter

00:17:37.480 what you believe.

00:17:38.160 It doesn't even matter

00:17:38.700 what you support.

00:17:39.400 Like if you,

00:17:41.080 if James Lindsay decides

00:17:42.240 like he doesn't like you

00:17:43.040 for 10 seconds,

00:17:43.820 you're on the woke right.

00:17:45.600 Now again,

00:17:45.960 I hate to focus

00:17:47.060 on James here,

00:17:49.000 but he has managed

00:17:51.120 to get several people

00:17:52.820 to like lash themselves

00:17:53.980 to him.

00:17:55.040 And the fact

00:17:56.600 that he's done that

00:17:57.480 has meant that

00:17:58.120 there are several

00:17:58.760 prominent conservative,

00:18:00.800 you know,

00:18:02.060 guys out there

00:18:02.920 who are like

00:18:03.820 defending the things

00:18:04.980 he's saying

00:18:05.380 that are just

00:18:05.780 absolutely insane.

00:18:07.400 Patrick Casey

00:18:08.120 pointed out

00:18:08.660 that this is very much

00:18:09.500 a Nick Fuentes.

00:18:13.840 Sorry,

00:18:14.360 what's the rapper's name?

00:18:15.120 I forgot all of a sudden.

00:18:16.020 Oh,

00:18:16.200 Kanye West scenario,

00:18:17.380 right?

00:18:17.820 Where like he tied

00:18:18.900 his boat

00:18:19.480 to this Kanye West,

00:18:20.860 you know,

00:18:21.280 thing,

00:18:21.760 him becoming president.

00:18:22.860 And then Kanye West

00:18:23.980 did all kinds

00:18:24.580 of insane stuff.

00:18:25.420 But no matter

00:18:25.800 how insane he gets,

00:18:27.200 like Fuentes

00:18:27.540 has tied himself

00:18:28.380 to that figure.

00:18:29.420 And so like he

00:18:30.280 and a lot of his followers

00:18:31.340 spend all their time

00:18:32.320 defending this

00:18:33.060 completely indefensible guy

00:18:34.600 no matter how crazy

00:18:35.620 he gets because

00:18:36.720 like they've already

00:18:37.480 kind of sunk cost

00:18:38.640 fallacy their way

00:18:39.580 into this.

00:18:40.240 And that's a lot

00:18:41.160 of what's happening

00:18:41.680 with Lindsay here.

00:18:42.980 Like there are several

00:18:43.760 people who should have

00:18:44.780 a lot more discernment

00:18:46.700 and have a decent

00:18:48.520 amount of credibility

00:18:49.200 in the conservative

00:18:49.900 movement who have

00:18:50.920 decided that like

00:18:51.860 they're going to buy

00:18:52.880 into this woke

00:18:53.580 rhetoric and push

00:18:54.700 it really aggressively.

00:18:56.340 And so like no matter

00:18:57.100 how absurd James gets,

00:18:58.780 no matter how ridiculous

00:18:59.720 the things he says are,

00:19:00.860 no matter how insane

00:19:01.940 his accusations get,

00:19:03.100 no matter how many

00:19:03.680 people turn on him

00:19:04.700 and say, hey,

00:19:05.340 why are you lumping

00:19:06.340 all of my friends

00:19:07.320 into like with like

00:19:08.140 neo-Nazis?

00:19:09.380 It doesn't matter.

00:19:10.360 Like they have to

00:19:11.120 go along with him.

00:19:11.940 They have to parrot

00:19:12.660 what he's saying

00:19:13.360 because they've

00:19:14.260 committed themselves.

00:19:15.140 Like they've already

00:19:16.040 staked their reputation

00:19:16.860 on backing a guy

00:19:17.680 who's like clearly

00:19:18.600 spiraling out of control.

00:19:20.160 And so you've got

00:19:21.340 kind of this process

00:19:22.700 where several people

00:19:24.360 are kind of dragging

00:19:25.220 their own reputations

00:19:26.140 down along with this guy

00:19:27.780 all in the attempt

00:19:28.980 to like control

00:19:30.140 the rhetoric

00:19:30.660 and the right to control

00:19:31.640 the Overton window

00:19:32.660 and the right to make

00:19:33.200 sure there's no discussion,

00:19:34.140 no debate.

00:19:35.360 Sorry, we can't talk

00:19:36.460 about nationalism.

00:19:37.540 Sorry, we can't talk

00:19:38.580 about whether or not

00:19:39.640 we want to protect

00:19:40.300 our borders,

00:19:40.980 whether or not

00:19:41.440 we want to protect

00:19:41.900 our economy.

00:19:42.820 We can't talk about

00:19:43.520 whether we actually

00:19:44.420 want Christian values

00:19:45.520 in the public square.

00:19:46.720 That's all off limits.

00:19:47.860 None of that is

00:19:48.380 classical liberalism,

00:19:49.640 a.k.a.

00:19:50.400 90s Bill Clinton liberalism.

00:19:52.300 You know, because

00:19:53.080 James Lindsay doesn't

00:19:54.000 believe in classical

00:19:54.580 liberalism at all.

00:19:55.800 John Locke said

00:19:56.480 that guys like

00:19:57.040 Jim Lindsay

00:19:57.460 should never be trusted,

00:19:58.860 should never hold office

00:20:00.140 because atheists

00:20:00.980 can't be trusted.

00:20:01.680 But, you know,

00:20:03.080 I guess we'll just forget

00:20:03.860 that part of classical

00:20:04.820 liberalism.

00:20:05.480 The father classical

00:20:06.240 liberalism said it,

00:20:07.140 but it can't possibly

00:20:08.320 be true.

00:20:09.280 You know, so this is

00:20:10.220 the problem, right,

00:20:11.060 is we're in the scenario

00:20:12.160 where, again,

00:20:14.420 I would prefer not

00:20:15.480 to get into the drama

00:20:16.640 of this scenario,

00:20:17.440 but this guy is

00:20:19.920 actively policing

00:20:20.960 the discourse on the

00:20:23.020 right.

00:20:23.320 He's actively trying

00:20:24.400 to cancel and control

00:20:25.540 the frame.

00:20:27.140 And that's the kind

00:20:28.220 of stuff I pay

00:20:28.940 attention to.

00:20:29.540 That's the stuff

00:20:30.060 that really immediately

00:20:31.160 tells me this is a bad

00:20:33.460 actor that, you know,

00:20:34.620 I have disagreed

00:20:35.660 with people many,

00:20:37.280 many times on the show,

00:20:38.200 right?

00:20:38.380 I have, like,

00:20:39.160 libertarians on here.

00:20:40.700 I've had people that

00:20:42.120 are even further to my

00:20:43.160 right.

00:20:43.420 I've had people who

00:20:44.180 are Marxists.

00:20:44.880 I've had all kinds of

00:20:45.720 people on the show

00:20:46.440 and I have disagreed

00:20:47.380 with them.

00:20:48.320 That's fine, right?

00:20:49.240 But when you have

00:20:50.080 somebody who's like,

00:20:50.880 oh, no, you can't

00:20:52.020 platform these people.

00:20:52.980 You can't talk to them.

00:20:54.280 All of them are, like,

00:20:55.680 satanic.

00:20:56.200 All of them are Nazis.

00:20:57.460 All of them are, you

00:20:59.000 know, Jordan Peterson

00:20:59.600 calls all of them

00:21:00.560 parasites in this.

00:21:02.400 It's pretty wild.

00:21:03.800 So we're going to get

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00:22:07.400 All right, so let's play

00:22:10.400 through this video a little

00:22:11.600 bit, like I said, and I

00:22:13.400 will stop and point out

00:22:15.700 some problems here and

00:22:17.120 there.

00:22:17.380 Again, this is an hour and

00:22:18.340 a half clip, or this is an

00:22:21.160 hour and a half interview.

00:22:22.000 I had to clip it down rather

00:22:23.880 significantly to get

00:22:25.200 anywhere on it.

00:22:26.080 If you want to watch the

00:22:26.880 whole thing, go for it.

00:22:28.540 I promise you I'm not

00:22:30.020 trying to remove any

00:22:31.180 context there.

00:22:31.940 I want you to have all the

00:22:32.800 context you need, but most

00:22:34.920 of it is just like, but

00:22:36.300 everybody's Marxist.

00:22:37.400 Right.

00:22:38.000 But also a Nazi.

00:22:39.220 Everyone's a Marxist Nazi.

00:22:40.420 You know, it's pretty much

00:22:41.500 that for an hour and a half.

00:22:46.320 And so they were swept up.

00:22:47.940 The Hitler youth were swept

00:22:48.940 up to get into this, but

00:22:50.000 it's the same program.

00:22:51.200 There's a game.

00:22:52.660 We were, we used to be the

00:22:54.040 masters of the game, but

00:22:55.300 now we've been dispossessed

00:22:56.420 from the game.

00:22:57.020 They threw us from top to

00:22:58.440 bottom.

00:22:59.180 That was an intolerable

00:23:00.660 experience.

00:23:02.600 By the way, this is all

00:23:03.500 the story of Lucifer.

00:23:04.860 Yes.

00:23:05.120 And so what we're going to do

00:23:07.180 now is we're going to grab

00:23:08.260 our rightful inheritance

00:23:10.320 and we're going to build the

00:23:11.560 structure that returns us to

00:23:13.020 it.

00:23:13.220 P.S.

00:23:14.220 The organizational structure

00:23:15.320 is the fur principle, so I'm

00:23:16.540 at the top.

00:23:17.780 Okay.

00:23:18.060 So I want to talk about this

00:23:20.160 Lucifer idea.

00:23:21.180 So Lucifer is the morning star

00:23:25.520 and he's the angel of the

00:23:27.460 untrammeled intellect.

00:23:29.440 That's how he's portrayed in

00:23:31.140 Milton, right?

00:23:32.020 And he's allied in some strange

00:23:35.140 way with the serpent in the

00:23:36.520 Garden of Eden.

00:23:37.260 If I might just interject, if

00:23:39.560 he's the morning star, what do you

00:23:41.140 do in the morning?

00:23:42.320 After the morning star rises, you

00:23:45.220 wake up.

00:23:46.440 Right.

00:23:47.120 Woke.

00:23:47.460 Right, right, right.

00:23:50.480 Right, right, right, right,

00:23:52.540 right, right, right.

00:23:54.280 God bless Jordan Peterson on that

00:23:56.060 one.

00:23:56.860 I don't if anybody who can get

00:23:59.540 through that with a straight face

00:24:00.920 who doesn't like just immediately

00:24:02.260 spit out whatever drink they had

00:24:03.840 their mouth is they've got a lot

00:24:06.060 of self-control.

00:24:06.920 So kudos to Jordan.

00:24:08.480 I mean, look at that face.

00:24:09.900 Right.

00:24:10.140 It's just like, what do I what do I

00:24:12.600 say after that?

00:24:13.240 Right.

00:24:13.420 OK, so I'm sorry.

00:24:18.660 I promise like that.

00:24:20.860 Oh, I did not make that up.

00:24:22.360 I didn't like clip that like out

00:24:23.860 of context.

00:24:24.320 I made sure to provide a little

00:24:25.640 bit in the beginning.

00:24:26.200 So, you know, I just didn't pull

00:24:27.420 that out of nowhere.

00:24:28.100 Like, that's a real thing that

00:24:29.100 James Lindsay said to Jordan

00:24:30.100 Peterson and Jordan Peterson had

00:24:31.820 had to pretend that that made

00:24:33.980 some kind of sense.

00:24:35.360 So if you wake up, you're woke,

00:24:38.780 probably in league with Satan.

00:24:40.260 Right.

00:24:40.420 You know, Jesus woke up from a

00:24:41.940 nap when he was on the sea.

00:24:44.960 He went out and calmed the waves.

00:24:47.620 You know, he declared his power

00:24:48.580 over the system, woke up,

00:24:51.020 declared his power with system.

00:24:52.220 Jesus is woke.

00:24:53.420 He's in league with Satan.

00:24:55.320 That's the James Lindsay chain

00:24:56.980 of logic here.

00:24:57.780 Like, that's really where we're

00:24:58.880 at now.

00:24:59.300 Now, of course, as always,

00:25:01.220 there's there's a little bit of

00:25:02.340 truth in here.

00:25:03.140 Right.

00:25:03.440 Like, of course, Satan would be

00:25:05.600 woke.

00:25:06.100 Right.

00:25:06.260 Of course, wokeness is satanic.

00:25:08.080 That's something been saying

00:25:10.860 for a very long time,

00:25:12.040 often with people like James

00:25:13.580 Lindsay laughing at us.

00:25:15.220 You know, new atheists saying,

00:25:16.260 how could you possibly use

00:25:17.560 that kind of language to

00:25:19.360 to discuss wokeness?

00:25:21.120 Maybe James is doing it for a

00:25:22.480 long time.

00:25:22.800 I don't know.

00:25:23.140 It's not like I watch all of his

00:25:24.240 stuff or anything.

00:25:25.200 But this is a this is a

00:25:27.240 criticism we see from the

00:25:28.680 secular right all the time.

00:25:30.460 How could you use language like

00:25:32.220 satanic or biblical language?

00:25:33.780 You know, the old reactionary

00:25:36.060 trope is that the the devil

00:25:38.160 is the first wig.

00:25:39.460 Right.

00:25:39.680 So there's some truth here.

00:25:41.620 But like the framing of it,

00:25:44.060 like the woke morning,

00:25:46.360 you wake in the morning.

00:25:47.540 Therefore, Satan is woke.

00:25:48.780 Like, you think the Bible was

00:25:50.860 written with predicting

00:25:52.900 your term for like radical

00:25:55.440 progressive humanism in 2025?

00:25:58.320 Like that.

00:25:59.240 Is that really the way you think

00:26:00.900 there's a deep esoteric truth

00:26:02.360 hidden in that statement?

00:26:04.120 And it's amazing.

00:26:06.200 Again, just the fact that

00:26:07.160 Jordan Peterson held it

00:26:08.000 together here is impressive

00:26:09.480 itself.

00:26:10.340 The spirit of enlightenment.

00:26:12.080 Right.

00:26:12.500 OK, so in dark enlightenment,

00:26:15.060 as it were.

00:26:16.420 So this is really interesting.

00:26:17.760 Actually, I find this

00:26:19.100 particularly interesting that

00:26:20.840 that this pivot occurred.

00:26:22.440 So Jordan Peterson says

00:26:23.620 something that

00:26:25.680 Lindsay is not going to like.

00:26:27.940 And Lindsay needs to pivot it

00:26:30.040 very quickly, because if

00:26:31.340 Jordan Peterson follows this

00:26:32.760 line of thought,

00:26:34.120 James Lindsay is in trouble.

00:26:36.040 Right.

00:26:36.480 So Jordan Peterson says

00:26:38.200 Satan, the light,

00:26:40.240 the morning star.

00:26:41.100 Right.

00:26:42.240 He's this this bringer of

00:26:44.140 knowledge, like maybe

00:26:45.280 knowledge that is

00:26:46.680 if you're just using

00:26:48.720 knowledge, if you're just

00:26:49.700 using reasoning, it could

00:26:51.100 drive you into bad places.

00:26:52.820 Right.

00:26:53.180 It could take you.

00:26:53.920 You need more.

00:26:54.780 You need both reason and

00:26:55.640 revelation.

00:26:56.320 Right.

00:26:56.940 There's something beyond

00:26:58.460 reason.

00:26:59.260 So so Satan could, in a way,

00:27:02.120 present enlightenment.

00:27:04.340 And James Lindsay's like,

00:27:06.000 whoa, whoa, wait, wait,

00:27:06.760 wait, wait, wait, because

00:27:07.720 Jordan Peterson is drawing

00:27:09.100 an obvious parallel

00:27:10.720 between the idea of

00:27:13.420 like, you know, sorry to do

00:27:15.140 the 40K

00:27:15.980 reference here, but the

00:27:17.760 zinch demon.

00:27:18.480 Right.

00:27:18.740 Like the dangers of

00:27:19.900 knowledge, the chaos of

00:27:21.040 knowledge, being too

00:27:22.300 focused on knowledge to

00:27:23.420 the point of detriment of

00:27:25.740 yourself, like the quest for

00:27:27.440 knowledge, the quest for a

00:27:29.520 completely rational world is

00:27:31.280 itself a satanic lure.

00:27:35.920 Right.

00:27:36.160 It's something that you could

00:27:37.940 be drawn to with your own

00:27:39.720 hubris.

00:27:40.800 And so Jordan Peterson is

00:27:42.240 ferreting out like actually

00:27:43.760 there could be a link between

00:27:45.980 like this idea of

00:27:47.540 say, you know, Satan and

00:27:49.500 the light and the morning

00:27:50.360 star, Lucifer and the

00:27:52.420 enlightenment.

00:27:52.800 And James is like, whoa,

00:27:53.940 whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

00:27:54.580 whoa, whoa, right, right.

00:27:55.460 Well, what about the dark

00:27:56.240 enlightenment?

00:27:56.600 Because James knows that

00:27:57.540 phrase, right?

00:27:58.080 He knows that's from from

00:27:59.200 NRX.

00:27:59.900 So he so he throws that he

00:28:01.580 does a little pivot there.

00:28:02.640 So we don't have to talk

00:28:03.760 about the possible problems

00:28:05.020 of the enlightenment.

00:28:05.580 We don't have to talk about

00:28:06.980 the possible problems of the

00:28:08.760 enlightenment project

00:28:09.380 because James Lindsay

00:28:10.300 believes in the

00:28:11.340 enlightenment project above

00:28:12.680 all.

00:28:13.480 That is James Lindsay's

00:28:14.420 religion.

00:28:14.820 James thinks of himself as

00:28:16.640 a classical liberal, a

00:28:17.820 disciple of the

00:28:18.540 enlightenment.

00:28:19.440 And so he doesn't want

00:28:20.500 Jordan Peterson going in

00:28:21.860 to possible problems with

00:28:23.380 the enlightenment, because

00:28:24.380 if you listen to Jordan

00:28:25.300 Peterson more and more,

00:28:27.060 Peterson does recognize

00:28:28.780 some of the problems of

00:28:29.880 the enlightenment.

00:28:30.620 He's starting to talk about

00:28:31.720 those more and more.

00:28:32.400 They got addressed in

00:28:33.720 certain parts of the

00:28:34.580 parts of the ARC

00:28:35.620 conference.

00:28:36.600 So Peterson is going into

00:28:37.560 territory that directly

00:28:39.200 refutes James Lindsay's

00:28:40.620 belief system.

00:28:41.840 And so James needs to

00:28:42.980 pivot it.

00:28:43.500 No, no, no, no.

00:28:44.040 Perhaps the dark

00:28:45.060 enlightenment.

00:28:45.720 Well, why was there?

00:28:47.020 No, that has nothing to do

00:28:48.200 with what he just said

00:28:49.120 there, but you know, he

00:28:50.540 already said something

00:28:51.200 super embarrassing.

00:28:51.900 So Peterson's trying to

00:28:53.260 find some way to move the

00:28:54.220 conversation forward and he

00:28:55.680 just kind of agrees and

00:28:56.640 moves on.

00:28:57.320 Yeah, right.

00:28:57.940 Absolutely.

00:28:58.500 Well, that's the question.

00:29:00.020 What's the difference

00:29:00.720 between genuine?

00:29:03.300 What's the difference

00:29:04.440 between what's genuine and

00:29:05.580 what's false?

00:29:06.420 Let's say, you know.

00:29:08.380 So that's all he pulls out

00:29:09.560 of there, right?

00:29:09.960 Okay.

00:29:10.360 Well, yes, that's the

00:29:11.060 difference between what's

00:29:11.920 genuine and what's false.

00:29:12.680 No, that's definitely not

00:29:13.660 the line of thought you

00:29:14.400 were taking out of that,

00:29:15.420 right?

00:29:15.660 You're tying Satan and the

00:29:17.320 idea of like perfect

00:29:18.900 knowledge or the pursuit of

00:29:20.740 a hyper-rational world to

00:29:22.400 the enlightenment.

00:29:23.300 But James, again, derailed

00:29:25.400 that conversation there.

00:29:26.960 Explicitly, which is an

00:29:27.820 advantage to queer

00:29:28.480 theories.

00:29:28.840 Nobody will say what it

00:29:29.480 actually says.

00:29:30.240 Yeah, right.

00:29:30.720 It's so gross.

00:29:31.460 Yeah.

00:29:31.680 But what they were

00:29:32.660 targeting were liberal

00:29:34.220 societal norms, real

00:29:36.220 societal norms, healthy.

00:29:37.600 Let's forget liberal.

00:29:39.900 So James does another

00:29:40.740 pivot here because he

00:29:41.560 makes a rhetorical

00:29:42.280 mistake.

00:29:42.840 He says that the

00:29:44.560 wokeness was attacking

00:29:45.540 liberal social norms.

00:29:47.700 But of course, that's

00:29:49.460 somewhat true.

00:29:50.320 But liberal social norms

00:29:51.760 had already attacked

00:29:52.820 Christian social norms

00:29:54.560 because liberal social

00:29:56.020 norms are in opposition

00:29:57.820 to Christian social norms.

00:29:59.900 Christian social norms

00:30:01.060 are too restrictive.

00:30:02.400 They have a particular

00:30:03.580 understanding of things

00:30:04.820 like sexual morality,

00:30:07.120 family formation, the

00:30:08.560 way that nations are

00:30:10.160 structured.

00:30:10.680 Like these are things

00:30:11.340 that Christianity has

00:30:12.300 heavily influenced.

00:30:13.960 Liberalism needed to

00:30:15.580 untie some of that

00:30:17.600 civilizational structure

00:30:18.640 in order to scale it up

00:30:20.020 and open it up to the

00:30:21.440 possibility of

00:30:22.180 globalization.

00:30:23.460 That's why one of the

00:30:24.640 most important things to

00:30:25.700 liberals, remember,

00:30:26.680 including James Lindsay

00:30:28.120 for most of his life,

00:30:29.360 was to wear down

00:30:33.340 Christian social norms.

00:30:35.100 So he has to pivot here

00:30:36.740 because he says they

00:30:37.740 broke down liberal social

00:30:38.860 norms, which they did,

00:30:40.120 right?

00:30:40.280 But those are the ones

00:30:40.880 that James liked.

00:30:42.000 James liked the ones that

00:30:42.900 he broke down.

00:30:44.220 He wants that set of

00:30:45.800 social norms.

00:30:46.320 He wants the liberal

00:30:47.000 ones.

00:30:47.480 He doesn't want the

00:30:48.140 Christian ones.

00:30:48.740 And he's been very clear

00:30:49.580 that he doesn't want the

00:30:50.340 Christian ones, which is

00:30:51.260 why he thinks Christian

00:30:51.960 nationalism is a

00:30:52.800 problem.

00:30:53.480 So James is going to

00:30:54.160 talk here about good

00:30:56.260 social norms.

00:30:57.100 But the question is,

00:30:57.920 which norms are those?

00:30:59.960 Has James renounced

00:31:01.400 sexual deviancy in that?

00:31:04.340 You know, is he in line

00:31:05.260 with the idea of biblical

00:31:06.480 sexual morals?

00:31:08.220 Is he now a believer in

00:31:11.360 the Christian understanding

00:31:12.540 of marriage or the

00:31:13.860 Christian understanding of

00:31:14.920 the relations of men and

00:31:15.840 women?

00:31:16.340 Or like, which of these

00:31:18.360 actual right-wing, actual

00:31:20.440 conservative stances is

00:31:23.040 James adopting?

00:31:23.880 We never get them.

00:31:24.780 We just get this vague

00:31:25.940 language about good social

00:31:28.360 morals.

00:31:29.360 Healthy, not degenerate

00:31:31.760 societal norms about sex

00:31:33.840 and sexuality.

00:31:35.120 And the excuse was, if

00:31:36.080 you don't...

00:31:36.500 Well, degenerate's the

00:31:37.020 right word, too, I think,

00:31:38.240 because I think one of the

00:31:39.480 hallmarks, because if you

00:31:41.720 are a relativist, you might

00:31:42.760 say, well, who are you to

00:31:44.420 place modes of orienting

00:31:47.080 yourself in the world in a

00:31:48.420 hierarchy?

00:31:49.080 Yeah, sure.

00:31:49.440 Because you described some

00:31:50.260 of them as degenerate.

00:31:51.140 But the reason that they're

00:31:52.960 degenerate is because when

00:31:54.580 they're employed, they

00:31:55.700 degenerate.

00:31:56.660 Yeah, sure, of course.

00:31:57.320 So that's...

00:31:58.200 So they're games that...

00:31:59.580 They're games that violate

00:32:00.880 their own principles as they

00:32:02.280 play themselves out.

00:32:03.300 But there's nothing about a

00:32:04.320 guy in fetish gear at a

00:32:06.100 parade in front of children,

00:32:07.280 for example, that's

00:32:08.820 challenging the norms of a

00:32:10.480 repressive sexual society

00:32:11.940 that thinks that, you know,

00:32:13.160 it should be procreative,

00:32:15.240 heterosexual sex only.

00:32:17.440 They've...

00:32:18.140 That's an excuse.

00:32:19.580 It's pretext.

00:32:20.180 What they're after is the

00:32:21.400 norms that hold regular

00:32:22.600 society together.

00:32:23.720 And my argument is that the

00:32:24.620 woke right does the same

00:32:25.620 thing.

00:32:26.020 They have a...

00:32:26.420 So again, so everything that

00:32:30.440 James listed there is stuff

00:32:31.620 that the people he would

00:32:32.840 call woke right, which I

00:32:34.660 remind you, is a malicious

00:32:36.000 term.

00:32:36.640 Do not use it.

00:32:37.360 Don't engage it.

00:32:38.100 Don't give it credit.

00:32:39.200 This guy has manufactured it

00:32:40.600 to attack people like Matt

00:32:41.680 Walsh and Tucker Carlson and

00:32:43.500 Yoram Harzoni and Will

00:32:45.120 Chamberlain and myself.

00:32:46.960 Like, all the people...

00:32:50.180 Who he is grouped under this

00:32:52.800 banner of woke right would

00:32:53.900 radically oppose what he's

00:32:56.440 talking about.

00:32:57.140 Not only would they

00:32:57.660 radically oppose the sexual

00:32:59.060 degeneracy he's talking

00:32:59.980 about, they opposed the

00:33:01.080 sexual degeneracy he was

00:33:02.340 talking about well before he

00:33:03.620 ever did.

00:33:04.660 They recognized the problem

00:33:06.120 of this well before James

00:33:07.700 ever did.

00:33:08.520 Now, if James truly has

00:33:09.900 changed his mind and

00:33:11.240 changed his belief system and

00:33:12.660 changed his life, fantastic.

00:33:15.000 Right?

00:33:15.720 Glory to God.

00:33:16.600 More power.

00:33:17.820 Fantastic.

00:33:19.000 However, why are you

00:33:20.520 attacking the people who

00:33:21.380 were right before you were?

00:33:23.340 They all knew the truth

00:33:24.480 before you did.

00:33:25.420 You may not like their

00:33:26.560 political stance, I guess,

00:33:28.060 or whatever, but attacking

00:33:30.140 them specifically on this

00:33:31.540 issue, an issue that you

00:33:32.800 were wrong on previously, is

00:33:35.720 a huge problem.

00:33:37.360 Like, you're attacking people

00:33:38.840 who knew the truth before

00:33:40.060 you did, and then you're

00:33:41.460 attacking the way they knew

00:33:42.620 the truth.

00:33:43.360 And you're saying they're

00:33:44.240 just like the woke left.

00:33:45.340 No.

00:33:45.540 You were closer to the

00:33:47.000 left.

00:33:47.400 If you've changed, that's

00:33:48.860 great.

00:33:49.560 But that means you've moved

00:33:50.400 closer to these people, the

00:33:52.560 people who have always

00:33:53.680 opposed these positions.

00:33:55.860 I'm glad you came around if

00:33:57.340 you came around.

00:33:58.040 I still haven't really heard

00:33:58.940 the declaration that you

00:34:00.500 have.

00:34:01.700 In fact, I often hear him

00:34:03.320 talking about the dangers of

00:34:04.540 disgust language.

00:34:06.580 Everything he's talking about

00:34:07.420 here is disgust language.

00:34:09.360 He's giving his how disgusted

00:34:11.520 he is at degenerating social

00:34:13.480 norms, at degenerating sexual

00:34:15.260 norms.

00:34:16.240 He is invoking his disgust at

00:34:19.040 these things.

00:34:20.040 That's why he calls them

00:34:20.840 degenerate.

00:34:21.840 I've seen James get angry at

00:34:23.220 people for using that

00:34:23.960 language.

00:34:24.380 He's using it now.

00:34:25.660 Maybe he's changed his

00:34:26.460 position.

00:34:26.880 If he has, that's great.

00:34:27.940 But he hasn't taken back

00:34:29.160 what he said about those

00:34:29.900 people, and now he's still

00:34:31.180 attacking the people who

00:34:31.920 were using that language well

00:34:33.180 before he was.

00:34:34.680 Cult of transgression, too.

00:34:36.480 They sometimes call it being

00:34:37.820 based, but that's a completely

00:34:39.340 bad word for what they're

00:34:40.700 trying to describe, because

00:34:41.900 based should mean based in

00:34:43.120 reality, although the origin

00:34:44.720 of the term is slang for

00:34:45.800 being free based on cocaine.

00:34:48.180 So they're out of their

00:34:48.820 minds, right?

00:34:49.580 It's funny how this lines up.

00:34:51.260 But what do they do?

00:34:52.300 OK, so the left has told us,

00:34:53.840 the far left has told us, you

00:34:55.340 can't be racist.

00:34:56.260 Racist is worse.

00:34:57.100 Everybody's a racist.

00:34:58.180 And of course, they

00:34:58.820 completely made degenerate the

00:35:00.960 concept of racism, the word

00:35:02.620 racism, the accusation, the

00:35:04.220 sky is racist, going for a

00:35:05.860 hike is racist.

00:35:06.640 But they aren't trying to

00:35:07.740 reclaim and say, OK, no,

00:35:09.160 wait.

00:35:10.280 Racism is bad.

00:35:11.140 We don't want to be racist

00:35:12.300 and nobody should be racist.

00:35:14.480 And the left completely

00:35:15.500 ruined it.

00:35:15.940 So we need to reclaim the

00:35:16.960 term and have this healthy

00:35:18.480 societal norm about

00:35:20.020 discrimination and bigotry.

00:35:21.840 So this is.

00:35:22.760 So, again, just an amazing

00:35:24.760 I promise I only brought you

00:35:26.040 the best clips like I

00:35:27.820 watch this so you don't have

00:35:28.960 to, though, again, if you

00:35:29.760 want all the context, feel

00:35:30.840 free.

00:35:31.680 So.

00:35:32.120 So based should mean based

00:35:35.020 in reality.

00:35:37.040 Adorable.

00:35:37.660 So this this this whole

00:35:40.500 interview also could have

00:35:41.880 been labeled old men lecture

00:35:44.120 young people like old man

00:35:45.800 shakes fist at sky.

00:35:47.540 There's a lot of that in

00:35:48.700 here.

00:35:49.160 I don't understand the

00:35:50.300 current terminology, so I

00:35:51.900 don't like it.

00:35:52.500 So I'm angry at it.

00:35:53.500 And as an old man myself, I

00:35:54.920 understand.

00:35:56.640 But but but so you see

00:35:59.000 James do this pivot again.

00:36:00.500 Right.

00:36:00.760 He talks about how

00:36:01.760 important it is.

00:36:02.740 We went overboard with the

00:36:04.660 racism thing.

00:36:06.080 And so, therefore, these

00:36:08.300 guys want to bring back all

00:36:09.480 the racism.

00:36:09.980 Right.

00:36:10.260 That's that's the key.

00:36:11.520 And we have to be the most

00:36:12.780 scared because the most

00:36:14.020 important issue, again, in

00:36:15.640 society is racism.

00:36:16.940 And this is this is what a

00:36:18.800 lot of the the center

00:36:21.060 left, you know, classical

00:36:22.960 liberal, rational centrist

00:36:24.840 guys, IDW guys, they're

00:36:26.860 they're really revealing

00:36:27.800 themselves here.

00:36:28.620 Right.

00:36:29.000 Their religion is still

00:36:31.580 anti-racism.

00:36:32.820 James Lindsay, as much as

00:36:34.120 he's spoken against it, as

00:36:35.360 much as he's written

00:36:36.020 against it, as much as he

00:36:37.380 claims to wanted to

00:36:38.160 expose it.

00:36:39.080 Ultimately, he doesn't

00:36:40.600 disagree with anti-racism

00:36:42.920 as the core religion of the

00:36:44.120 United States that he

00:36:45.220 thinks that should be the

00:36:46.460 civic religion of the

00:36:47.240 United States.

00:36:47.940 He just doesn't like the

00:36:49.140 extreme version of it.

00:36:50.420 He's like a moderate

00:36:51.440 jihadist.

00:36:52.400 OK, he wants moderate

00:36:53.540 jihad, moderate

00:36:55.560 sharia.

00:36:56.520 That's what James Lindsay

00:36:57.540 demands.

00:36:57.940 OK, I still want

00:36:59.280 sharia law.

00:37:00.220 Like, I still want it.

00:37:01.820 You know, I still want a

00:37:02.740 woman beaten if she's

00:37:03.580 walking outside alone.

00:37:04.820 I just, you know, you use

00:37:06.020 a you use a small rod

00:37:07.520 instead of like a, you

00:37:08.660 know, a large stick.

00:37:10.180 That's that's kind of

00:37:11.360 James Lindsay stance on

00:37:12.560 this.

00:37:12.800 Right.

00:37:13.280 So so he still wants

00:37:14.780 racism to be like the

00:37:16.220 central concern of the

00:37:17.520 United States.

00:37:18.320 It just needs to have a

00:37:19.560 more reasonable

00:37:20.120 definition.

00:37:20.820 Stop to stop looking

00:37:21.700 into how boats are racist

00:37:23.100 or, you know, the

00:37:24.320 existence of hiking trails

00:37:25.880 are racist or milk is

00:37:27.200 racist.

00:37:27.540 Just go back to the

00:37:28.660 good old anti-racism

00:37:30.320 that we used to have.

00:37:31.360 The problem for James is

00:37:32.800 that the entire reason

00:37:34.760 you got there is that

00:37:36.220 there is a gradient to

00:37:38.080 the logic.

00:37:39.220 He again, you'll notice

00:37:40.260 that he wants those

00:37:41.300 liberal norms back.

00:37:42.640 But what James never

00:37:44.180 admits, what he never

00:37:45.720 makes clear is that the

00:37:47.580 liberal norms got him

00:37:48.900 wokeness.

00:37:49.500 the liberal obsession

00:37:51.380 with equality, the

00:37:52.760 liberal obsession with

00:37:54.320 racism brought you to

00:37:56.440 wokeness.

00:37:57.120 Now, again, as a

00:37:58.460 Christian, I don't think

00:37:59.660 you should hold ethnic

00:38:00.440 hatred in your heart.

00:38:01.440 That is my position as a

00:38:02.680 Christian.

00:38:03.060 But I am not going to

00:38:04.100 use the term racism.

00:38:05.520 One, because it's a

00:38:06.480 propaganda term.

00:38:07.740 It's a communist term,

00:38:09.040 which James should know

00:38:10.100 because that's what he

00:38:11.040 does.

00:38:11.360 Right.

00:38:11.560 His entire shtick is

00:38:12.580 is is unwinding

00:38:14.400 communist propaganda.

00:38:15.880 But also because so

00:38:17.320 many of the things that

00:38:18.680 have been brought in

00:38:20.060 to, you know, scare

00:38:22.540 you about racism have

00:38:24.100 very little to do

00:38:25.460 with, again, the

00:38:27.540 idea of ethnic

00:38:28.520 hatred.

00:38:29.080 Again, I do think that

00:38:30.180 you should avoid

00:38:30.820 ethnic hatred.

00:38:31.460 People who are

00:38:32.400 involved in it should

00:38:33.740 stop.

00:38:34.280 You're involved in a

00:38:35.000 sinful thing.

00:38:36.180 However, James wants

00:38:37.640 a much broader

00:38:38.680 definition of racism.

00:38:40.680 He wants a political

00:38:41.960 definition of racism.

00:38:43.700 He doesn't care about

00:38:44.420 how you treat people

00:38:45.200 one to one.

00:38:46.000 He cares about using

00:38:46.900 that definition to

00:38:48.040 cancel you.

00:38:49.320 Right.

00:38:49.820 And that's the plan.

00:38:51.200 That's the plan.

00:38:52.840 Why I call these

00:38:54.120 people woke.

00:38:54.860 It's not just that

00:38:55.940 they've gone on

00:38:56.720 cancel rampages and

00:38:58.040 struggle sessions.

00:38:58.720 It's not that they've

00:38:59.620 put me through a

00:39:00.420 relentless struggle

00:39:01.080 session since September

00:39:02.100 without stopping or,

00:39:03.960 you know, doxed my

00:39:04.940 family and everything

00:39:05.800 else in their wrath.

00:39:07.340 They said, I said,

00:39:08.200 James.

00:39:09.320 So a couple of

00:39:10.120 things here.

00:39:10.680 First and foremost,

00:39:11.420 I want to make it

00:39:11.840 clear.

00:39:12.240 You should never,

00:39:13.020 ever, ever, ever

00:39:13.980 dox anyone.

00:39:15.260 Never.

00:39:16.240 That's just

00:39:16.840 unacceptable.

00:39:17.840 Okay.

00:39:18.700 That's, that's not

00:39:19.540 what we do.

00:39:20.460 You should not do

00:39:21.420 that.

00:39:22.080 So if anyone has

00:39:23.380 done that or anyone

00:39:24.020 has been involved

00:39:24.620 with that, with

00:39:25.180 James Lindsay, I

00:39:25.880 condemn it immediately.

00:39:27.460 That said, I have

00:39:29.220 seen James.

00:39:29.900 I've seen his buddy

00:39:31.240 and sponsor O'Fallon.

00:39:32.440 I have seen other

00:39:33.420 people who are aligned

00:39:34.340 with him openly

00:39:35.700 court for doxes.

00:39:37.240 Yeah.

00:39:37.700 They don't say the

00:39:38.520 word specifically,

00:39:39.260 but they will ask

00:39:40.440 for a public and

00:39:41.140 for, they will ask

00:39:41.660 for information in

00:39:42.340 public that they

00:39:42.900 know will lead

00:39:43.340 to doxes.

00:39:44.300 Like, so, um, I

00:39:46.200 don't trust him for

00:39:47.020 a moment on this.

00:39:48.000 Again, it shouldn't

00:39:49.020 be done to him.

00:39:49.780 If it, if it is,

00:39:51.060 that's evil.

00:39:51.600 Don't do that.

00:39:52.580 But it is very

00:39:53.580 clearly not

00:39:54.860 something he's

00:39:55.380 against.

00:39:55.960 Like he might, he's

00:39:57.340 against it for

00:39:58.080 himself.

00:39:59.000 And you'll notice

00:39:59.800 this over and over

00:40:00.560 again.

00:40:01.280 James Lindsay has

00:40:02.540 the most beautiful

00:40:03.320 double standard for

00:40:04.520 behavior because he's

00:40:05.800 going to do basically

00:40:06.560 everything he says

00:40:07.840 you shouldn't do

00:40:08.400 here.

00:40:08.800 So, uh, the other

00:40:09.880 things here, James

00:40:10.800 Lindsay has been put

00:40:11.460 through a struggle

00:40:12.200 session.

00:40:12.720 Uh, he also

00:40:13.320 means he got

00:40:14.340 ratioed on Twitter.

00:40:16.340 That's it.

00:40:17.180 He said something

00:40:18.340 dumb and people

00:40:18.900 ratioed him on

00:40:19.520 Twitter.

00:40:20.700 Tough.

00:40:21.400 Like, again, a lot

00:40:22.760 of this episode is

00:40:23.680 people complaining

00:40:24.740 about the internet

00:40:25.480 being mean to them.

00:40:26.420 Old man shakes

00:40:27.100 hand at Sky because

00:40:28.440 he doesn't understand

00:40:29.300 slang.

00:40:30.760 Like there's a lot

00:40:31.560 of that.

00:40:31.980 And that's a good

00:40:32.720 chunk of this.

00:40:33.580 Uh, James Lindsay

00:40:34.280 hasn't been put

00:40:35.020 through a struggle

00:40:35.520 session.

00:40:36.560 He, he just

00:40:37.240 logged in Twitter

00:40:38.240 voluntarily and was

00:40:39.360 wrong.

00:40:40.600 Okay.

00:40:41.000 Um, also

00:40:42.100 James Lindsay has

00:40:43.080 not been canceled.

00:40:44.520 How has he been

00:40:45.320 canceled?

00:40:45.700 He's sitting on the

00:40:46.700 daily wire.

00:40:47.900 He goes to like all

00:40:49.280 kinds of conferences.

00:40:51.180 He has not been

00:40:52.060 canceled.

00:40:52.580 Who's canceling

00:40:53.360 James Lindsay.

00:40:53.980 And this is a huge

00:40:55.300 problem because he's

00:40:57.040 throwing out these

00:40:57.620 accusations, but James

00:40:58.960 is the one who has

00:40:59.660 power to cancel.

00:41:00.900 He's the one who has

00:41:01.900 the ability to try to

00:41:02.880 get people pushed off

00:41:03.660 platforms and that

00:41:04.520 kind of thing.

00:41:05.720 None of the people

00:41:06.620 he's attacking, even

00:41:07.480 if their behavior is

00:41:08.220 bad, has the ability

00:41:09.240 to cancel him.

00:41:11.000 Canceling means you

00:41:11.520 got fired from your

00:41:12.280 job.

00:41:13.100 Canceling means you

00:41:13.740 got shut down from a

00:41:15.020 platform.

00:41:15.560 Canceling means you

00:41:16.160 got debanked.

00:41:17.220 Is James Lindsay not

00:41:19.400 have a platform?

00:41:20.480 He's sitting on daily

00:41:21.260 wire.

00:41:21.580 Did he lose his bank

00:41:23.120 account?

00:41:23.500 Did I miss something?

00:41:25.060 Is James Lindsay

00:41:25.980 getting arrested for

00:41:27.760 what?

00:41:27.980 No, none of that.

00:41:29.140 None of this has

00:41:29.660 happened to him.

00:41:30.460 Now, people have

00:41:31.080 probably been mean to

00:41:31.780 him online and yet

00:41:32.760 try not to be so mean,

00:41:33.900 I guess.

00:41:34.640 If you if there was

00:41:35.780 real doxing, then

00:41:36.540 absolutely, again, I

00:41:37.360 condemn it.

00:41:38.140 But the idea that

00:41:39.160 James Lindsay is is

00:41:40.720 being canceled or put

00:41:42.000 through a struggle

00:41:42.880 session is comical.

00:41:44.920 People were mean to

00:41:45.680 him online because he

00:41:46.340 said something stupid.

00:41:47.400 I have said things

00:41:48.320 that are stupid online

00:41:49.360 and people have been

00:41:50.200 mean to me about it.

00:41:50.980 I'm OK.

00:41:52.300 I'm a big boy.

00:41:53.920 I'll be just fine.

00:41:57.260 Calls them all woke

00:41:58.260 right.

00:41:58.660 And they decide to

00:41:59.440 prove me wrong by

00:42:00.600 canceling me and

00:42:02.740 struggling me and

00:42:03.740 doxing my family and

00:42:05.060 acting exactly like we

00:42:06.680 all went through in

00:42:07.260 2015 when you stood

00:42:08.360 up about the

00:42:08.820 pronouns.

00:42:09.920 Maybe.

00:42:10.480 So, again, James

00:42:11.700 deploys all of the

00:42:12.680 tactics that he's

00:42:13.460 talking about there,

00:42:14.180 all the tactics that

00:42:15.360 he says he's

00:42:16.140 condemning, all the

00:42:17.060 tactics that he says

00:42:19.120 are woke.

00:42:19.800 He has done all of

00:42:20.940 that stuff and

00:42:22.240 and no one has

00:42:24.060 canceled him and no

00:42:25.040 one has struggled

00:42:25.540 session him like so

00:42:27.020 it's it's just pure

00:42:28.240 projection.

00:42:29.400 It's all these guys

00:42:30.280 who don't have power

00:42:31.060 to cancel me, who

00:42:32.020 don't have the ability

00:42:32.780 to hold me in, you

00:42:34.060 know, in this

00:42:34.800 situation and force me

00:42:36.000 to listen to them

00:42:36.700 because they're just

00:42:37.520 random accounts

00:42:38.580 online like that.

00:42:41.420 They have great power

00:42:42.660 over me.

00:42:43.280 This guy who's

00:42:43.820 probably making a

00:42:44.500 decent chunk of

00:42:45.080 change showing up at

00:42:46.320 a bunch of

00:42:46.660 conservative stuff to

00:42:48.500 smear a bunch of

00:42:49.120 conservatives.

00:42:49.920 We could lay out

00:42:50.740 some of the

00:42:51.380 behavioral markers so

00:42:52.820 that because we

00:42:54.180 might as well make

00:42:54.840 this concrete.

00:42:55.860 I can tell you what

00:42:56.680 I've observed about

00:42:58.180 the behavior of

00:43:00.200 psychopathic parasites

00:43:01.900 online.

00:43:02.940 Okay, sure.

00:43:04.800 So this is where

00:43:06.900 Jordan doesn't

00:43:08.020 exactly cover himself

00:43:09.040 in glory, right?

00:43:10.000 He's used this

00:43:10.800 terminology quite a

00:43:11.740 bit.

00:43:12.280 You're going to hear

00:43:12.760 both these guys talk

00:43:13.680 about disgust

00:43:14.560 mechanism, othering

00:43:16.020 people, canceling

00:43:17.400 people.

00:43:17.760 But Jordan

00:43:19.040 Peterson immediately

00:43:20.020 jumps into these

00:43:21.480 psychopathic parasites

00:43:23.260 online.

00:43:24.660 Gee, I wonder what

00:43:25.240 that language is

00:43:26.160 designed to do.

00:43:28.340 What is Jordan

00:43:29.020 doing with that

00:43:29.700 language?

00:43:30.240 Is he triggering

00:43:30.860 your disgust

00:43:31.920 mechanism?

00:43:32.880 How do you feel

00:43:33.520 about psychopathic

00:43:34.540 parasites online?

00:43:36.440 Oh, I guess bad,

00:43:38.180 right?

00:43:38.440 Psychopath, that's

00:43:39.520 bad.

00:43:40.020 Parasite, that's

00:43:40.940 disgusting.

00:43:42.180 Oh, wait.

00:43:43.820 Jordan's just doing

00:43:45.220 what he complains

00:43:46.300 about again.

00:43:48.100 These guys can't

00:43:49.080 help themselves.

00:43:50.280 They describe a

00:43:51.300 tactic and they

00:43:52.100 immediately engage

00:43:53.180 with it.

00:43:53.560 Almost right after.

00:43:56.360 They can barely get

00:43:57.300 the explanation of

00:43:58.220 why the tactic is

00:43:59.140 bad out of their

00:43:59.800 mouth before they

00:44:00.920 engage in it.

00:44:02.340 And it's not

00:44:03.500 great.

00:44:04.280 This does not

00:44:05.100 speak well of

00:44:05.800 people.

00:44:06.220 They're not self-aware

00:44:07.320 about what they are

00:44:07.880 doing here.

00:44:09.100 Maybe if you have

00:44:10.420 five of these, you're

00:44:11.620 one of them.

00:44:12.320 You know what I

00:44:12.720 mean?

00:44:12.920 Anyone alone isn't

00:44:15.260 enough.

00:44:15.700 Right.

00:44:15.960 Diagnostic criteria.

00:44:16.600 So in the comment

00:44:17.820 sections, for

00:44:19.120 example, anonymity is

00:44:21.140 a marker.

00:44:22.780 Use of a

00:44:24.960 transgressive cover

00:44:26.380 name, often

00:44:27.700 satanic.

00:44:28.860 Often.

00:44:29.960 So, you know, and

00:44:31.740 it's tongue-in-cheek,

00:44:32.660 but no, it's not.

00:44:34.340 So Jordan has

00:44:35.740 really been against

00:44:36.900 anonymity online.

00:44:38.080 And I understand

00:44:39.960 some of the

00:44:40.740 concerns.

00:44:41.400 Like, he's

00:44:41.840 ultimately right that

00:44:42.880 there is a certain

00:44:44.060 level of responsibility

00:44:45.460 that comes with

00:44:47.300 having your real

00:44:48.220 name attached,

00:44:49.800 which some people

00:44:51.220 avoid by having

00:44:53.200 an anonymous

00:44:54.960 account.

00:44:55.780 However, a couple

00:44:57.020 things.

00:44:57.440 They're not usually

00:44:58.220 actually anonymous.

00:44:59.340 They're pseudonymous,

00:45:00.260 which there is a

00:45:01.060 difference.

00:45:01.560 Like, they're using

00:45:02.360 a regular account.

00:45:03.480 You can identify

00:45:04.020 them.

00:45:04.680 And if they're

00:45:04.960 building up a

00:45:05.400 following over time,

00:45:06.580 there is actually a

00:45:07.880 level of accountability

00:45:08.640 to that person

00:45:09.700 because people aren't

00:45:10.940 going to return even

00:45:11.900 to an anonymous

00:45:12.520 account who's saying

00:45:13.700 things that they

00:45:14.280 deeply disagree with

00:45:15.380 or that they find

00:45:16.200 irresponsible.

00:45:17.440 And so that's not

00:45:18.340 exactly right.

00:45:19.180 Again, I understand

00:45:19.820 that people have been

00:45:20.460 mean to Jordan

00:45:21.160 Peterson online.

00:45:22.940 However, the fact

00:45:23.920 that this now

00:45:24.760 allows him to, like,

00:45:25.800 transfer these

00:45:26.560 beliefs onto anyone

00:45:27.760 with an anonymous

00:45:28.400 account is pretty

00:45:30.060 cartoonish.

00:45:31.100 Also, Jordan

00:45:32.080 Peterson hasn't

00:45:33.000 thought about the

00:45:33.500 fact that, like, a

00:45:34.200 large amount of

00:45:34.720 people with anonymous

00:45:35.400 accounts aren't in

00:45:36.660 the U.S.

00:45:37.140 Like, they're not

00:45:38.220 a lot of, like,

00:45:39.720 white nationalists

00:45:40.640 or anything.

00:45:41.520 Like, a lot of

00:45:42.000 them are from

00:45:42.480 other countries.

00:45:43.380 They're actually

00:45:44.160 not even, you

00:45:44.900 know, from, like,

00:45:45.420 a European country.

00:45:46.560 They're, you know,

00:45:47.580 from South America

00:45:48.540 or something, and

00:45:49.180 they're trolling you.

00:45:50.200 Like, you know,

00:45:50.660 they're Nazis in

00:45:52.180 Mexico, right?

00:45:53.040 Like, that's what a

00:45:54.220 lot of this stuff is.

00:45:55.320 But, like, he can't

00:45:56.320 tell.

00:45:56.900 Like, he can't filter

00:45:57.780 it.

00:45:58.000 He doesn't understand

00:45:58.820 the internet.

00:45:59.520 So he takes it

00:46:00.160 very personally.

00:46:01.180 And again, I

00:46:02.060 understand how that

00:46:02.700 can happen to

00:46:03.260 somebody, but just

00:46:04.160 get off the

00:46:04.600 internet, man.

00:46:05.380 Like, it's not

00:46:06.240 for you.

00:46:06.900 And that's okay.

00:46:07.940 Like, a lot of

00:46:08.560 people protect their

00:46:09.300 mental health by

00:46:10.240 taking long breaks,

00:46:11.620 limiting their

00:46:12.080 internet use, or

00:46:13.180 just not engaging at

00:46:13.980 all.

00:46:14.480 But Peterson has

00:46:15.120 just not been able

00:46:15.780 to do that.

00:46:16.380 And it's obviously

00:46:17.240 affected him in a

00:46:18.140 pretty serious way.

00:46:19.880 Yeah.

00:46:21.240 Derisive language,

00:46:22.720 right?

00:46:23.020 So that would be

00:46:23.560 language indicative

00:46:24.260 of contempt.

00:46:25.200 Yeah.

00:46:25.880 Contempts are really

00:46:26.860 toxic emotion.

00:46:28.580 Contempt.

00:46:28.920 But does he hear

00:46:30.240 himself here?

00:46:31.660 Does he hear

00:46:32.340 himself here?

00:46:32.980 He just said all

00:46:34.360 these people are

00:46:35.220 psychopathic parasites.

00:46:38.180 And then he says,

00:46:39.340 but if they use

00:46:40.520 derisive language,

00:46:41.740 that displays

00:46:42.740 contempt, which is

00:46:43.500 very dangerous.

00:46:45.420 So he's going to

00:46:46.260 call people psychopathic

00:46:47.680 parasites.

00:46:48.960 Say they're

00:46:49.620 disgusting.

00:46:50.460 Say they're insane.

00:46:51.800 That they need

00:46:52.500 clinical help.

00:46:53.760 And then he's going

00:46:54.540 to turn around and

00:46:55.080 say, but if these

00:46:55.740 people use derisive

00:46:56.920 language, like, I

00:46:58.060 don't know, calling

00:46:58.960 someone a psychopath

00:46:59.720 or a parasite, that

00:47:01.320 shows contempt.

00:47:02.580 I don't know, Jordan,

00:47:03.700 might be telling on

00:47:04.420 yourself here a little

00:47:05.100 bit.

00:47:06.080 In disgust.

00:47:07.580 Hitler used disgust

00:47:08.900 language to characterize

00:47:09.800 the Jews, not fear

00:47:11.000 language.

00:47:11.620 So here we go, right?

00:47:12.920 He gets into disgust.

00:47:14.840 It's Nazis used

00:47:16.380 disgust to trigger

00:47:18.180 the Holocaust against

00:47:19.220 the Jews.

00:47:19.960 And that's why people

00:47:20.980 can't be mean to me

00:47:21.840 online.

00:47:22.700 I, Jordan Peterson,

00:47:23.820 can call them

00:47:25.100 psychopathic parasites.

00:47:27.160 I can call people

00:47:28.020 I don't even know

00:47:29.080 and I've never met

00:47:30.120 and I have no

00:47:30.880 clinical diagnosis

00:47:31.720 or any stuff

00:47:32.380 where I can call

00:47:33.200 them psychopathic

00:47:34.160 parasites.

00:47:36.360 But that is

00:47:37.860 exactly what I'm

00:47:38.480 just saying the

00:47:39.120 Nazis did, right?

00:47:40.160 Like, that's exactly

00:47:40.820 what Jordan Peterson

00:47:41.600 is just saying.

00:47:42.880 Hitler used this

00:47:43.800 kind of language,

00:47:44.560 the language I

00:47:45.160 just used against

00:47:46.240 the people I don't

00:47:46.940 like.

00:47:47.620 Again, they can't

00:47:48.900 go one sentence

00:47:50.500 without describing

00:47:52.400 a behavior they

00:47:53.040 think is bad and

00:47:54.060 then immediately

00:47:54.700 deploying exactly the

00:47:55.900 same tactic.

00:47:57.220 Language.

00:47:57.240 That's right.

00:47:57.860 And you destroy

00:47:58.600 things you're

00:47:59.140 disgusted by.

00:48:00.040 That's right.

00:48:00.460 You stay away

00:48:01.480 from things you're

00:48:02.120 afraid of.

00:48:02.500 He says in

00:48:02.780 Mein Kampf that

00:48:03.400 early in the book

00:48:04.600 in the second

00:48:05.040 chapter that one

00:48:05.720 of the best

00:48:06.700 moments, he

00:48:07.220 doesn't say it's

00:48:07.780 the best moment

00:48:08.260 of my life, but

00:48:08.820 he realizes and

00:48:09.520 it's clear that

00:48:10.080 he's very happy

00:48:10.640 about it, was

00:48:11.280 the moment when

00:48:11.740 he realized that

00:48:12.500 the Jew is not

00:48:13.260 a German and the

00:48:14.360 German is not a

00:48:15.120 Jew.

00:48:15.700 Right.

00:48:16.100 That's disgust.

00:48:17.000 Right, right.

00:48:17.380 Absolutely.

00:48:18.100 Absolutely.

00:48:18.880 They use derisive

00:48:21.300 and contemptuous,

00:48:23.980 what do you call

00:48:25.660 those?

00:48:26.160 LOL is a good

00:48:27.040 example.

00:48:27.720 Oh yeah,

00:48:28.200 dismissive kind

00:48:29.020 of acronyms.

00:48:30.440 Yeah, acronyms.

00:48:31.020 Now you know

00:48:31.540 there's lulz

00:48:32.280 culture online.

00:48:33.400 Yes, of course.

00:48:33.740 I do it for the

00:48:34.460 lulz and that's

00:48:35.420 a hallmark of

00:48:36.340 sadism.

00:48:37.440 Now.

00:48:43.180 I could have

00:48:45.300 just played.

00:48:46.080 I don't even

00:48:46.620 know if I needed

00:48:47.080 to do a show

00:48:47.980 here.

00:48:49.220 Like I could

00:48:49.860 have just, I

00:48:50.780 guess I am

00:48:51.340 laughing at them

00:48:52.160 here, but I'm

00:48:53.080 sorry.

00:48:53.580 There's lulz

00:48:54.440 culture online.

00:48:56.840 If you use

00:48:57.880 LOL, you might

00:48:59.740 be an agent of

00:49:00.560 Satan.

00:49:00.940 You might be a

00:49:01.520 Nazi.

00:49:02.360 You might be

00:49:03.300 a sociopath

00:49:04.500 and a parasite.

00:49:06.460 All of those

00:49:07.240 things aren't

00:49:07.940 me, Jordan

00:49:08.620 Peterson, using

00:49:09.560 the same Nazi

00:49:10.660 language, the

00:49:11.580 same dismissive

00:49:12.800 language, the

00:49:13.400 same disgust

00:49:14.520 mechanism.

00:49:15.300 I, me and

00:49:15.820 James Lindsay

00:49:16.200 just talked

00:49:16.820 about.

00:49:17.380 No, no, no.

00:49:18.620 But if you're

00:49:19.480 like shooting

00:49:20.120 LOL back and

00:49:21.340 forth while you're

00:49:21.880 texting, you

00:49:22.680 could be a

00:49:23.580 secret Nazi.

00:49:24.340 Like that, that

00:49:25.660 that's the

00:49:26.180 discussion we're

00:49:27.440 having here.

00:49:28.480 It's insane.

00:49:30.100 This is, this

00:49:31.160 is insane.

00:49:32.220 Like the,

00:49:32.940 how did, how,

00:49:35.540 how did they

00:49:36.200 release this?

00:49:37.460 How did no

00:49:38.280 one lean over

00:49:39.160 and be like,

00:49:40.160 dude, we, we

00:49:41.040 might want to

00:49:41.380 edit one of

00:49:41.840 those out.

00:49:42.340 Right?

00:49:42.780 Like, it's

00:49:43.520 like this might

00:49:44.760 be, this might

00:49:45.340 sound a little

00:49:46.060 ridiculous.

00:49:46.720 You guys might

00:49:47.560 want to think

00:49:48.140 before releasing

00:49:48.980 this.

00:49:50.140 It's nuts.

00:49:51.300 It's absolutely

00:49:51.960 nuts.

00:49:52.480 Those people,

00:49:53.300 people who do

00:49:53.940 those things.

00:49:54.660 So those are

00:49:55.220 four or five

00:49:55.820 things.

00:49:56.300 anonymity,

00:49:58.960 pathological,

00:49:59.960 nom, nom

00:50:01.060 de plume,

00:50:02.380 derisive

00:50:02.880 language.

00:50:03.380 And then the

00:50:03.940 use of these

00:50:04.520 contemptuous and,

00:50:05.780 and, uh,

00:50:06.880 contemptuous and

00:50:07.700 cool acronyms.

00:50:09.360 Belittling.

00:50:10.120 They use the

00:50:10.960 word dude.

00:50:11.520 That's a real

00:50:12.200 good marker.

00:50:14.240 I guess I

00:50:15.140 already violated

00:50:15.900 it.

00:50:16.180 I must be one

00:50:17.020 of these people.

00:50:17.500 I've said the

00:50:18.140 word dude,

00:50:18.980 the word dude,

00:50:20.760 that that's what

00:50:22.320 we're going

00:50:22.700 with a term

00:50:25.280 from what

00:50:26.440 like Ninja

00:50:27.180 Turtles in

00:50:27.800 the nineties

00:50:28.600 is a marker

00:50:30.200 of satanic

00:50:31.720 alignment and

00:50:33.340 being a

00:50:34.980 crypto Nazi

00:50:35.720 and being a

00:50:36.780 parasite and

00:50:37.640 a psychopath.

00:50:38.560 None of those

00:50:39.240 are derisive

00:50:39.740 terms, by the

00:50:40.280 way, none of

00:50:41.080 those are James

00:50:41.660 Lindsay and

00:50:42.140 Jordan Peterson

00:50:42.660 attempting to

00:50:43.420 other their

00:50:44.760 opponents.

00:50:45.180 None of those

00:50:45.980 are the attempt

00:50:46.960 to trigger

00:50:47.340 disgust

00:50:47.740 mechanisms.

00:50:49.080 No, no, no,

00:50:49.860 no, no, no.

00:50:50.580 They're, they're

00:50:51.200 all using these

00:50:52.000 tactics in

00:50:52.600 good faith.

00:50:53.080 They're all

00:50:53.380 describing real

00:50:54.060 phenomenon.

00:50:54.920 They would

00:50:55.200 never describe

00:50:57.360 a tactic and

00:50:58.180 then one

00:50:59.000 sentence later

00:50:59.620 do exactly

00:51:00.320 that thing

00:51:00.800 that they

00:51:01.080 just demonized

00:51:01.920 while also

00:51:03.760 sounding like

00:51:04.260 the crankiest

00:51:04.820 old men who

00:51:05.300 don't know

00:51:05.660 about the

00:51:06.000 words dude

00:51:06.680 and phrases

00:51:07.320 like LOL.

00:51:10.480 Seriously.

00:51:12.000 Just, okay,

00:51:13.180 moving on,

00:51:13.680 moving on.

00:51:14.480 Yeah.

00:51:14.960 Or they'll

00:51:15.700 use a derisive

00:51:16.640 nickname to

00:51:17.760 kind of equalize

00:51:18.640 the playing

00:51:19.040 field.

00:51:19.540 Yeah.

00:51:19.860 So I'm

00:51:20.540 Jimmy a lot.

00:51:21.920 You're

00:51:22.100 Jimmy.

00:51:22.540 Yeah.

00:51:22.740 Yeah.

00:51:22.960 Right.

00:51:23.660 Diminutive.

00:51:24.280 They'll use a

00:51:24.720 diminutive.

00:51:25.260 Jimmy concepts

00:51:26.160 instead of

00:51:26.640 conceptual James.

00:51:28.240 Right.

00:51:28.740 Right.

00:51:29.160 Right.

00:51:29.300 That started

00:51:29.600 on the left

00:51:30.120 and now the

00:51:30.440 right uses it.

00:51:31.640 So this

00:51:32.000 shit posting

00:51:33.420 problem.

00:51:34.320 So that's

00:51:35.100 part of the

00:51:35.640 enabling of

00:51:36.280 the psychopaths

00:51:37.160 by the,

00:51:38.020 by the free

00:51:38.680 social media

00:51:39.460 platforms.

00:51:40.780 So here we

00:51:41.580 go.

00:51:41.940 Right.

00:51:42.400 Here we go.

00:51:43.260 So free

00:51:44.440 speech guys,

00:51:45.640 guys who have

00:51:46.040 talked endlessly

00:51:46.840 about free speech,

00:51:47.980 where are we

00:51:48.600 going to land

00:51:49.060 up?

00:51:49.700 Where are we

00:51:50.100 going to go?

00:51:50.860 You know,

00:51:51.300 it's coming,

00:51:51.900 baby.

00:51:52.880 Free speech is a

00:51:53.720 problem.

00:51:54.780 These free

00:51:55.620 internet sites,

00:51:57.380 these free speech

00:51:58.120 sites,

00:51:58.600 that's the issue.

00:52:00.640 That's what's

00:52:01.280 enabling these

00:52:02.240 people.

00:52:03.220 That's it.

00:52:04.000 They're the ones

00:52:04.640 allowing people to

00:52:05.760 call me Jimmy,

00:52:06.520 I guess,

00:52:06.960 or whatever.

00:52:07.500 Like,

00:52:08.120 guys,

00:52:08.540 people are mean

00:52:09.100 online.

00:52:10.460 Like,

00:52:10.960 people are mean

00:52:11.440 to me online.

00:52:12.320 I'm okay.

00:52:13.580 I don't have

00:52:14.800 to do a podcast

00:52:15.680 about how it

00:52:16.780 hurts my feel

00:52:17.340 feels.

00:52:18.060 I'm going to

00:52:18.540 be all right.

00:52:19.240 Like,

00:52:19.680 I don't know,

00:52:21.680 man.

00:52:22.180 It's a little,

00:52:22.860 it's a little

00:52:23.200 pathetic.

00:52:23.780 By the costless

00:52:24.620 social media

00:52:25.220 platforms.

00:52:26.020 Do you have

00:52:26.640 any sense?

00:52:28.040 So we're

00:52:28.620 working out

00:52:29.120 ways to

00:52:29.500 identify people.

00:52:30.780 Form behavior,

00:52:31.300 by the way,

00:52:31.640 is another one.

00:52:33.340 Another marker.

00:52:34.280 Another marker.

00:52:35.040 So you'll get

00:52:35.820 one of these

00:52:36.400 derisive replies

00:52:37.880 and within

00:52:39.140 minutes it'll

00:52:39.840 get 600

00:52:40.500 likes on it.

00:52:41.860 You don't know

00:52:42.180 how that

00:52:42.580 happened.

00:52:43.380 From an account

00:52:44.160 with 30

00:52:44.620 followers and

00:52:45.360 your replies

00:52:45.820 somehow gets

00:52:46.280 600 likes in

00:52:47.040 a minute or

00:52:47.460 two minutes.

00:52:48.380 And then,

00:52:48.680 you know,

00:52:49.000 everybody piles

00:52:49.620 on it.

00:52:49.800 It's like a

00:52:50.080 biblical plague

00:52:50.940 of locusts.

00:52:51.840 Yeah,

00:52:52.060 and then they

00:52:52.380 jump in on you

00:52:53.020 and say,

00:52:53.480 you got

00:52:53.940 ratioed.

00:52:55.180 Of course,

00:52:55.460 a lot of it's

00:52:55.920 bots that

00:52:56.380 people bought.

00:52:57.220 But what they

00:52:57.640 do is they

00:52:58.080 say,

00:52:58.460 my comment

00:52:59.220 was more

00:52:59.600 popular than

00:53:00.280 your comment,

00:53:01.020 therefore,

00:53:01.420 you're not

00:53:01.720 very interesting

00:53:02.340 and we're

00:53:02.660 very interesting,

00:53:03.380 so we're

00:53:03.660 ascendant.

00:53:04.520 And by

00:53:04.760 the way,

00:53:05.040 that's

00:53:05.280 psychologically

00:53:05.820 really impactful

00:53:07.320 if you don't

00:53:07.820 know what's

00:53:08.160 going on.

00:53:13.060 is saying

00:53:13.660 stupid things

00:53:14.380 online.

00:53:15.560 Like,

00:53:16.360 he says

00:53:17.200 something people

00:53:17.780 disagree with

00:53:18.600 and then he

00:53:19.900 gets ratioed

00:53:20.840 because it

00:53:21.340 was bad.

00:53:22.700 And James'

00:53:23.340 explanation is

00:53:24.300 everyone who

00:53:25.340 is disagreeing

00:53:26.300 with me online

00:53:27.040 is a psychopath

00:53:28.100 and a Nazi.

00:53:29.760 And they

00:53:30.100 probably didn't

00:53:30.780 really disagree

00:53:31.540 with me,

00:53:32.100 they probably

00:53:32.600 hired a lot

00:53:33.200 of bots.

00:53:34.140 Because that's

00:53:34.700 the cope

00:53:35.740 that's necessary

00:53:36.600 when you get

00:53:37.380 ratioed every

00:53:38.320 single day online.

00:53:39.480 Look,

00:53:39.740 James Lindsay

00:53:40.080 has a lot of

00:53:40.600 followers online,

00:53:41.320 but he's

00:53:42.460 gotten less

00:53:43.080 and less

00:53:43.440 positive attention

00:53:44.320 for I think

00:53:45.140 what are pretty

00:53:45.560 obvious reasons.

00:53:46.740 What James

00:53:47.260 doesn't understand

00:53:47.920 because I guess

00:53:48.540 James doesn't

00:53:49.040 understand the

00:53:49.680 algorithm is

00:53:50.780 that his

00:53:51.280 large number

00:53:52.000 of followers

00:53:52.540 see what

00:53:53.460 he posts.

00:53:55.300 And if they

00:53:56.340 disagree with

00:53:57.140 him,

00:53:57.560 then they

00:53:58.920 come in

00:54:00.240 and they

00:54:00.820 disagree and

00:54:01.720 then those

00:54:02.180 posts get likes

00:54:03.020 and he gets

00:54:03.980 ratioed.

00:54:04.740 He has a large

00:54:05.440 audience,

00:54:06.060 but the audience

00:54:07.000 is left over

00:54:07.940 in many cases

00:54:08.920 of people who

00:54:09.960 agreed with him

00:54:10.720 back when he

00:54:11.140 was dismantling

00:54:11.740 a progressivism,

00:54:12.840 but now find

00:54:13.760 his attacks on

00:54:14.480 the right to

00:54:15.320 be rather vacuous

00:54:16.800 and disingenuous

00:54:17.980 and he is

00:54:18.960 paying a price

00:54:19.960 for that and

00:54:21.280 he doesn't

00:54:21.780 understand it.

00:54:22.500 Or maybe he

00:54:23.320 does and he's

00:54:24.280 just trying to

00:54:26.120 explain basic

00:54:28.000 behavior of

00:54:28.980 being wrong on

00:54:29.740 the internet as

00:54:30.600 being a victim

00:54:31.200 because this is

00:54:32.700 a victimhood

00:54:33.280 stream,

00:54:34.820 right?

00:54:35.480 James and

00:54:36.180 Jordan are

00:54:36.600 victims of all

00:54:37.440 these really mean

00:54:38.420 psychopaths and

00:54:39.800 parasites that

00:54:41.100 and bots

00:54:41.920 online and

00:54:43.280 they're going

00:54:43.720 to talk about

00:54:44.420 it, right?

00:54:44.780 They're working

00:54:45.560 through their

00:54:45.940 feelings about

00:54:46.940 having people be

00:54:48.100 mean to them

00:54:48.520 online.

00:54:49.540 Now, again, I

00:54:50.680 think there's

00:54:51.160 people who are

00:54:51.700 too mean online.

00:54:52.660 I certainly

00:54:53.300 think there are

00:54:53.880 behaviors that are

00:54:54.580 well beyond the

00:54:55.220 pale like doxing

00:54:56.040 that you should

00:54:56.500 never ever do.

00:54:58.380 But like most

00:54:59.640 of this is James

00:55:00.500 complaining and

00:55:01.260 Jordan Peterson

00:55:01.740 complaining that

00:55:02.920 people are mean to

00:55:03.560 them online and

00:55:04.280 sometimes that they

00:55:05.100 say stupid things

00:55:05.760 online and then it

00:55:06.880 gets pointed out.

00:55:08.380 And that is

00:55:09.160 somehow like swarm

00:55:10.780 behavior, Nazi

00:55:11.880 behavior, woke

00:55:12.720 right behavior,

00:55:13.600 telling me I'm

00:55:14.260 wrong online, like

00:55:15.780 me getting ratioed

00:55:17.140 because I had a

00:55:17.820 stupid moment

00:55:18.660 online.

00:55:19.280 That's that just

00:55:20.100 shows that everyone

00:55:20.800 is woke.

00:55:21.540 Like that's really

00:55:22.480 what we came to

00:55:23.240 here.

00:55:23.580 Like that's what

00:55:24.080 the term is for

00:55:24.820 to tell people to

00:55:25.820 stop being mean to

00:55:26.540 me online.

00:55:27.960 Yes, definitely.

00:55:29.420 You feel like the

00:55:30.160 crowd.

00:55:30.940 They tell me this

00:55:31.760 all the time.

00:55:32.440 We're all laughing

00:55:33.440 at you.

00:55:34.000 We're all laughing

00:55:34.660 at you.

00:55:35.040 We're all

00:55:35.560 laughing.

00:55:35.920 Yeah, right.

00:55:36.640 It's very

00:55:37.720 sophisticated

00:55:38.760 psychological

00:55:39.620 torment.

00:55:40.720 Unfortunately for

00:55:41.660 my antagonist,

00:55:42.720 Hallmark of

00:55:43.300 Sadism.

00:55:43.940 I understand the

00:55:45.040 game and

00:55:45.720 therefore does it

00:55:46.580 affect you only

00:55:48.860 when I'm not

00:55:49.560 prepared for the

00:55:50.480 pathway by which

00:55:51.820 it comes.

00:55:53.760 So unfortunately

00:55:54.680 for my enemies,

00:55:55.760 I understand this

00:55:56.700 tactic, which is

00:55:57.480 why one, James

00:55:58.460 uses it all the

00:55:59.160 time and two

00:56:00.300 that actually he's

00:56:02.280 going to do a

00:56:02.760 whole show about

00:56:03.520 how much it

00:56:03.880 affects him.

00:56:05.040 So maybe not

00:56:07.000 as effective a

00:56:07.720 defense as one

00:56:08.280 thinks.

00:56:08.840 When I'm aware

00:56:09.940 of it, no, but

00:56:12.340 not at all, except

00:56:13.560 maybe to encourage

00:56:14.360 me.

00:56:14.540 Somebody put up a

00:56:15.260 meme of me the

00:56:15.900 other day and it

00:56:16.880 shows a guy

00:56:17.780 building a castle

00:56:18.600 standing inside the

00:56:19.460 wall, a big giant

00:56:20.120 guy, and it's me

00:56:21.180 and there's all

00:56:22.120 these people throwing

00:56:22.780 rocks and it says

00:56:23.680 on the meme, it

00:56:24.780 says, James, when

00:56:26.120 his haters throw

00:56:26.880 rocks at him and

00:56:27.840 I'm building a

00:56:28.420 castle out of all

00:56:29.120 the stones they

00:56:29.680 throw at me.

00:56:30.560 And so no, not

00:56:31.380 so much.

00:56:31.760 You can kind

00:56:33.240 of tell why

00:56:33.900 James might get

00:56:35.000 ratioed on Twitter

00:56:36.000 from time to

00:56:36.560 time.

00:56:37.220 Except they can

00:56:38.520 catch you off

00:56:39.080 guard.

00:56:39.800 They can catch

00:56:40.480 you off guard.

00:56:41.120 And what catches

00:56:41.700 you off guard the

00:56:42.460 most, and this is

00:56:43.300 the power of the

00:56:44.020 struggle session,

00:56:44.760 what will catch

00:56:45.320 you off guard the

00:56:45.840 most is when one

00:56:46.940 of your friends

00:56:47.880 buys it.

00:56:49.800 They see it and

00:56:50.860 they go with, they

00:56:51.960 go with the, the

00:56:52.960 people that are

00:56:53.480 haranguing you.

00:56:55.140 So again, this is

00:56:56.720 exactly this tactic

00:56:58.600 that James uses on

00:57:00.040 the people he's

00:57:00.580 calling woke

00:57:01.080 right.

00:57:01.960 James is

00:57:02.460 slandering people

00:57:03.300 like Yoram

00:57:04.060 Harzoni.

00:57:05.060 He's slandering

00:57:06.920 people like Jack

00:57:08.100 Posobiec.

00:57:08.860 He's slandering

00:57:09.580 people like Matt

00:57:10.520 Walsh because he

00:57:11.860 wants their

00:57:13.360 friends to cancel

00:57:15.220 them.

00:57:16.100 He wants their

00:57:16.860 friends to put them

00:57:18.020 through a struggle

00:57:19.260 session.

00:57:20.120 He wants someone

00:57:21.180 at the Daily

00:57:22.360 Wire to pull Matt

00:57:23.260 Walsh aside and

00:57:24.080 say, hey man, maybe

00:57:25.180 you should tone it

00:57:25.840 down.

00:57:26.420 He wants people

00:57:27.500 like Yoram

00:57:27.940 Harzoni to stop

00:57:29.060 talking about

00:57:29.660 nationalism.

00:57:30.580 He wants guys

00:57:31.760 like Will

00:57:32.160 Chamberlain to

00:57:33.080 stop being

00:57:33.640 Donald Trump

00:57:34.200 supporters.

00:57:35.180 He wants people

00:57:36.320 like me to stop

00:57:37.620 being acceptable

00:57:38.800 in public.

00:57:40.600 That's why he

00:57:41.360 made the

00:57:42.360 phrase.

00:57:43.500 He's literally

00:57:44.580 designed this

00:57:46.380 entire phrase

00:57:47.860 to deploy the

00:57:49.200 exact tactic

00:57:50.660 and dynamic he

00:57:52.080 is complaining

00:57:52.880 about now.

00:57:54.560 But again,

00:57:56.360 James cannot go

00:57:57.280 one minute

00:57:57.960 without describing

00:57:59.120 a tactic

00:58:00.820 and then

00:58:01.500 deploying it.

00:58:02.840 He's going to

00:58:03.760 condemn the

00:58:04.360 tactic and

00:58:05.420 deploy it

00:58:05.980 immediately because

00:58:07.280 that's what they

00:58:08.020 have done over

00:58:09.080 and over and

00:58:10.180 over again.

00:58:11.800 That's when it'll

00:58:12.680 get you.

00:58:13.340 That's when it'll

00:58:14.100 affect you.

00:58:15.600 So the

00:58:17.540 proliferation of

00:58:18.700 this kind of

00:58:19.360 pathology seems to

00:58:20.600 be linked to...

00:58:21.420 Another characteristic

00:58:22.280 is the attempt to

00:58:23.260 get people to

00:58:23.860 distance themselves

00:58:24.540 from you.

00:58:25.100 I face that

00:58:26.320 very frequently.

00:58:27.640 You want to get

00:58:28.140 away from him.

00:58:29.060 He's contaminated.

00:58:30.200 Yeah, well,

00:58:30.520 that's disgusting.

00:58:31.840 Again, James has

00:58:32.820 done this

00:58:33.280 personally to me

00:58:35.240 and to all the

00:58:36.560 other people who

00:58:37.160 he has named as

00:58:37.920 part of the woke

00:58:39.060 right.

00:58:39.740 This is his

00:58:40.520 tactic.

00:58:41.340 He wants to

00:58:42.160 make these people

00:58:42.860 unacceptable.

00:58:43.840 He wants to

00:58:44.540 make these people

00:58:45.380 untouchable.

00:58:47.160 That's why he

00:58:47.720 links them to

00:58:48.380 people like

00:58:49.120 Nick Fuentes,

00:58:50.780 right?

00:58:51.080 People who have

00:58:51.600 nothing to do.

00:58:53.140 Why is Yaron

00:58:53.940 Hazoni like

00:58:54.740 Nick Fuentes?

00:58:55.660 Because James

00:58:56.440 wants them to

00:58:57.740 be untouchable.

00:58:58.420 He wants both

00:58:58.940 of them to be

00:58:59.460 outside of the

00:59:00.280 Overton window.

00:59:00.980 That is his

00:59:01.820 point.

00:59:02.800 That is his

00:59:03.660 entire point.

00:59:05.300 And yet,

00:59:05.720 here he is

00:59:06.160 complaining that

00:59:07.560 this behavior is

00:59:08.260 turned towards

00:59:08.740 him.

00:59:09.480 That's right.

00:59:10.420 You're the

00:59:10.920 carrier of

00:59:11.660 something pathological.

00:59:12.640 That's right.

00:59:13.680 Yeah.

00:59:14.880 So the

00:59:15.840 social media

00:59:17.520 platforms,

00:59:19.260 so Musk's

00:59:20.100 perspective,

00:59:21.140 and Rogan's to

00:59:21.960 some degree

00:59:22.420 too.

00:59:22.920 Mine,

00:59:23.320 for that

00:59:23.600 matter,

00:59:24.380 is that the

00:59:25.020 best antiseptic

00:59:26.680 is sunlight.

00:59:27.900 But there

00:59:29.140 might be a

00:59:29.760 flaw in that

00:59:30.440 reasoning,

00:59:31.320 and maybe you

00:59:32.140 can help me

00:59:32.660 think it

00:59:33.360 through.

00:59:36.180 When I'm

00:59:36.880 sitting across

00:59:37.620 from you,

00:59:38.380 I bear the

00:59:39.120 weight of my

00:59:39.760 words,

00:59:40.640 right?

00:59:40.920 It's going

00:59:41.260 to have an

00:59:41.600 impact on

00:59:42.720 the net,

00:59:43.280 but it's

00:59:43.760 also going

00:59:44.160 to impact

00:59:44.740 the relationship

00:59:45.540 I have with

00:59:46.180 you.

00:59:47.040 And so I'm

00:59:48.400 constrained or

00:59:50.200 regulated.

00:59:50.760 I'm regulated

00:59:51.600 in my

00:59:52.080 utterances

00:59:52.560 by consequences.

00:59:55.160 And so

00:59:55.580 there's never

00:59:56.820 been a time

00:59:57.640 really where

00:59:59.200 free speech

01:00:00.660 existed without

01:00:02.300 reputational

01:00:03.440 weight.

01:00:05.600 So obviously

01:00:06.540 this isn't

01:00:07.080 true.

01:00:07.740 Again,

01:00:08.400 the founders

01:00:08.920 of the United

01:00:09.740 States wrote

01:00:10.900 anonymously when

01:00:12.660 they were

01:00:12.960 discussing many

01:00:13.800 things about

01:00:14.680 the United

01:00:15.080 States.

01:00:15.460 It's a famous

01:00:16.220 tradition of

01:00:17.620 the United

01:00:18.100 States.

01:00:18.640 So the thing

01:00:19.040 he's saying

01:00:19.380 here is

01:00:20.040 just patently

01:00:21.560 false.

01:00:22.360 Now,

01:00:22.480 obviously,

01:00:22.800 there is a

01:00:23.440 real cost to

01:00:24.880 saying things

01:00:25.460 to people in

01:00:26.040 public,

01:00:26.380 and that's

01:00:27.520 why people

01:00:27.860 are more

01:00:28.500 badly behaved

01:00:29.080 online.

01:00:29.480 I agree

01:00:29.760 with that

01:00:30.020 100%.

01:00:30.560 I think

01:00:30.860 that's a

01:00:31.160 real problem

01:00:31.680 that we

01:00:32.220 have to

01:00:32.840 think about

01:00:33.280 as a

01:00:33.980 society.

01:00:34.800 But what

01:00:35.700 we're going

01:00:35.940 to see here

01:00:36.400 is now

01:00:36.700 we're going

01:00:36.920 to start

01:00:37.160 talking about

01:00:37.720 whether or

01:00:38.120 not we

01:00:38.420 need

01:00:38.700 censorship.

01:00:39.780 Now,

01:00:40.040 maybe

01:00:40.380 pamphleteering

01:00:41.420 and that

01:00:41.780 sort of

01:00:42.080 thing,

01:00:42.360 but that's

01:00:43.320 trivial compared

01:00:44.080 to what we

01:00:45.640 have now.

01:00:46.580 Right.

01:00:46.680 I mean,

01:00:47.280 how many

01:00:48.120 people can

01:00:48.620 you get

01:00:48.900 your pamphlet

01:00:49.620 to and

01:00:50.500 what sort

01:00:50.900 of effect

01:00:51.360 is that

01:00:51.780 going to

01:00:52.160 have?

01:00:53.060 Quite a bit,

01:00:54.020 actually.

01:00:54.500 Anonymous

01:00:54.780 pamphlets had

01:00:55.420 a huge

01:00:56.080 impact in

01:00:56.880 the French

01:00:57.500 Revolution and

01:00:58.240 the American

01:00:58.720 Revolution.

01:00:59.700 Actually,

01:01:00.160 that was a

01:01:00.700 huge thing.

01:01:01.500 Anonymous

01:01:01.880 pamphleteering is

01:01:03.040 actually really

01:01:04.160 important.

01:01:05.340 So what are

01:01:06.480 you talking

01:01:06.980 about?

01:01:07.820 This is just

01:01:08.420 wildly

01:01:08.900 ahistorical.

01:01:10.480 It's wildly

01:01:11.360 ahistorical.

01:01:12.760 I was back

01:01:13.780 in the time

01:01:14.220 of writing,

01:01:14.760 but now

01:01:15.260 your pathology

01:01:17.600 can multiply

01:01:18.420 virtually without

01:01:19.240 end.

01:01:20.760 And then I'm

01:01:21.160 thinking,

01:01:21.580 well,

01:01:22.320 maybe it's

01:01:23.080 necessary.

01:01:23.780 I thought for

01:01:24.360 Twitter,

01:01:24.720 for example,

01:01:25.420 that there

01:01:26.580 should be

01:01:26.920 two sections.

01:01:27.820 There should

01:01:28.120 be a section

01:01:29.440 where people's

01:01:31.080 identification

01:01:32.120 is validated

01:01:33.100 and a section

01:01:34.400 for the

01:01:34.820 anonymous trolls

01:01:35.720 and that

01:01:36.380 should be

01:01:36.960 demarcated.

01:01:38.480 So you can

01:01:39.440 go visit

01:01:40.060 hell land

01:01:41.240 of trolls

01:01:41.880 if you want,

01:01:42.620 but you know

01:01:43.080 that they're

01:01:43.460 not real

01:01:43.980 people.

01:01:44.960 Now,

01:01:45.660 the problem

01:01:46.240 with that,

01:01:46.840 as far as

01:01:47.220 I can tell,

01:01:48.320 is the

01:01:48.760 digital ID

01:01:49.400 problem.

01:01:51.020 I mean,

01:01:52.180 the net

01:01:53.200 allows people

01:01:54.020 to escape

01:01:54.820 the reputational

01:01:55.960 consequences

01:01:56.660 of their

01:01:57.700 psychopathology,

01:01:59.420 their destructive,

01:02:01.060 sadistic,

01:02:01.900 corrosive,

01:02:03.100 power-mad,

01:02:04.420 hedonistic

01:02:05.060 psychopathology.

01:02:06.340 It's a

01:02:06.940 terrible thing.

01:02:07.860 And people

01:02:09.000 have no

01:02:09.680 idea how

01:02:10.260 dangerous it

01:02:10.900 is.

01:02:11.820 But if you

01:02:13.400 verify IDs

01:02:14.860 electronically,

01:02:15.900 then we

01:02:16.640 walk down

01:02:17.420 the route

01:02:19.120 to Chinese

01:02:20.580 totalitarianism,

01:02:21.840 something like

01:02:22.400 that.

01:02:23.260 So I left

01:02:24.120 that clip in

01:02:24.760 because I

01:02:25.060 want to make

01:02:25.320 it clear,

01:02:25.740 like I

01:02:26.040 wasn't just

01:02:26.600 selectively

01:02:27.320 editing.

01:02:27.700 So to

01:02:28.440 Jordan Peterson's

01:02:29.260 credit,

01:02:29.660 despite the

01:02:30.140 fact that he

01:02:30.580 is way,

01:02:31.400 way,

01:02:31.940 way too

01:02:32.440 worked up

01:02:32.900 about random

01:02:33.620 people online

01:02:34.400 being mean to

01:02:35.240 him,

01:02:36.000 he at least

01:02:36.480 recognizes that

01:02:37.480 going down

01:02:38.060 this road

01:02:38.600 that he's

01:02:38.900 talking about,

01:02:39.460 the thing that

01:02:39.740 would actually

01:02:40.140 get rid of

01:02:40.600 anonymity,

01:02:41.960 creates a

01:02:42.380 problem because

01:02:43.120 you're going to

01:02:43.980 create authoritarian

01:02:44.640 governance.

01:02:45.880 At least he

01:02:46.540 grasped that.

01:02:47.160 Though James

01:02:47.580 Lindsay comes

01:02:48.020 back and

01:02:48.500 ultimately says,

01:02:49.300 maybe we

01:02:49.740 should have

01:02:50.340 a government

01:02:51.340 branch that's

01:02:52.320 involved in

01:02:52.940 this.

01:02:54.020 So James

01:02:55.140 doesn't,

01:02:55.620 you know,

01:02:55.980 James kind of

01:02:56.540 mouths his own

01:02:57.380 concerns about

01:02:58.100 this, but

01:02:58.460 ultimately seems

01:02:59.500 to side with

01:03:00.160 the possibility

01:03:00.820 of government

01:03:01.640 control to

01:03:03.100 solve this

01:03:03.680 problem.

01:03:04.060 But I just,

01:03:05.100 like I said,

01:03:05.440 I want to

01:03:05.700 leave it in

01:03:06.240 credit to

01:03:07.060 Jordan Peterson.

01:03:08.700 He does hit

01:03:09.280 a wall.

01:03:10.200 He does hit

01:03:10.580 his own

01:03:10.920 moral wall

01:03:11.620 on the idea

01:03:13.540 of censorship

01:03:14.400 and government

01:03:15.240 control.

01:03:16.200 So I didn't

01:03:17.060 want to edit

01:03:17.600 that out and

01:03:18.220 deceptively create

01:03:19.260 this idea that

01:03:19.920 he did not have

01:03:20.540 that principle

01:03:21.080 because he does

01:03:22.440 voice it at least

01:03:23.140 at the end here,

01:03:24.440 even though

01:03:24.900 ultimately I think

01:03:26.020 there are some

01:03:26.340 other parts that

01:03:27.240 he was not so

01:03:27.820 great on.

01:03:28.740 All right,

01:03:28.940 guys,

01:03:29.280 that's the clips

01:03:30.300 I'm going to go

01:03:30.740 over.

01:03:31.080 Like I said,

01:03:31.480 it's an hour and

01:03:31.980 a half.

01:03:32.600 So,

01:03:33.080 you know,

01:03:33.520 we've already

01:03:33.860 gone an hour

01:03:34.640 here just going

01:03:35.860 through like 10

01:03:36.360 minutes of it.

01:03:36.980 So I obviously

01:03:38.020 cannot respond to

01:03:38.800 the whole thing.

01:03:39.780 But if you would

01:03:40.540 like the whole

01:03:40.920 context,

01:03:41.380 you can do it,

01:03:42.340 though I promise

01:03:43.320 you it's a lot

01:03:44.140 more of this.

01:03:45.160 And most of it

01:03:46.080 is even less

01:03:46.540 interesting because

01:03:47.300 I don't think

01:03:48.160 pulled out the

01:03:48.700 parts that I

01:03:49.100 think are probably

01:03:49.620 the most worthy

01:03:50.760 of discussion.

01:03:51.700 That said,

01:03:52.460 let's pivot over

01:03:53.120 to the questions

01:03:54.260 of the people

01:03:54.660 real quick.

01:03:55.120 the sanity

01:03:58.440 rule says

01:03:59.280 James Lindsay

01:04:00.340 looks like

01:04:01.020 if Reddit

01:04:01.600 was a person.

01:04:02.900 He is definitely

01:04:03.680 a Fedora

01:04:04.280 tipper to be

01:04:05.440 sure.

01:04:07.800 Joe McDermott

01:04:08.640 says,

01:04:09.040 I take issue

01:04:09.580 with the claim

01:04:09.980 that Lindsay

01:04:10.300 is not stupid

01:04:10.960 given his

01:04:11.480 relentless

01:04:11.760 dedication to

01:04:12.500 stupid arguments.

01:04:13.240 The only

01:04:13.540 alternative of

01:04:14.600 him is being

01:04:15.040 a subversive

01:04:15.760 evil liar,

01:04:17.100 a politician

01:04:17.660 a la politician

01:04:18.880 or propagandist.

01:04:19.580 James Lindsay

01:04:22.000 has lied about

01:04:22.640 several people

01:04:23.260 and he's

01:04:23.820 obviously deploying

01:04:24.540 propaganda in

01:04:25.320 the word woke

01:04:26.280 right.

01:04:26.760 So I think

01:04:28.480 that's fair.

01:04:29.280 I mean,

01:04:29.440 again,

01:04:29.720 remember,

01:04:30.440 he turned around

01:04:31.300 after the show

01:04:32.080 and immediately

01:04:32.560 attacked Matt

01:04:33.240 Walsh with

01:04:34.020 this term.

01:04:35.500 Like he

01:04:35.660 immediately started

01:04:36.520 attacking Matt

01:04:37.480 Walsh as a

01:04:38.720 possible suspected

01:04:40.020 member.

01:04:40.900 Have you now

01:04:41.460 or have you ever

01:04:42.060 been a member

01:04:43.040 of the woke

01:04:43.600 right that I

01:04:44.100 just made up?

01:04:45.040 So yeah,

01:04:45.420 I don't see how

01:04:46.600 that's in any

01:04:47.260 way a contradiction

01:04:47.940 there.

01:04:48.300 I think that's

01:04:48.840 just an accurate

01:04:49.560 description like

01:04:50.500 you didn't even

01:04:51.180 have to feel

01:04:51.820 one way or

01:04:52.200 another about

01:04:52.540 James Lindsay

01:04:53.020 to just those

01:04:54.100 are those are

01:04:54.540 facts on the

01:04:55.000 ground.

01:04:56.300 Matt Greer

01:04:56.940 says Jordan

01:04:57.580 Peterson is the

01:04:58.340 reason I and

01:04:58.980 tons of others

01:04:59.440 became Christians

01:05:00.060 back in 2016.

01:05:01.000 It's so sad to

01:05:01.520 see this kind of

01:05:02.040 stuff he's

01:05:02.840 pushing for and

01:05:03.520 saying now again.

01:05:04.420 Yeah,

01:05:04.560 I'm with you.

01:05:05.280 Obviously,

01:05:05.680 I was a Christian

01:05:06.180 before learning

01:05:07.360 about Jordan

01:05:07.760 Peterson,

01:05:08.080 but I am again

01:05:08.880 someone who

01:05:09.320 is benefited

01:05:11.000 very directly

01:05:11.760 from his work

01:05:12.780 in a very

01:05:13.060 personal way.

01:05:14.080 And so it's

01:05:14.940 unfortunate.

01:05:15.920 You know,

01:05:16.160 I understand again,

01:05:17.260 he's had a lot,

01:05:18.820 you know,

01:05:18.980 he's had chemical

01:05:19.780 addiction issues

01:05:20.540 and family issues

01:05:21.460 and, you know,

01:05:22.260 being becoming

01:05:23.300 super famous like

01:05:24.740 he has is its own

01:05:26.660 taxing process.

01:05:27.540 And so mental

01:05:28.660 health is a

01:05:29.420 difficult thing,

01:05:30.820 you know,

01:05:31.140 and so I have a

01:05:31.920 certain level of

01:05:32.440 sympathy,

01:05:32.760 but it's not a

01:05:35.120 good road.

01:05:35.480 And this is kind

01:05:36.640 of the problem

01:05:36.940 with having guys

01:05:37.800 like James

01:05:39.160 Lindsay around.

01:05:39.740 They kind of

01:05:40.060 prey on this

01:05:40.720 stuff, right?

01:05:41.300 So Jordan

01:05:42.140 Peterson knew

01:05:43.220 that parts of

01:05:44.020 James Lindsay's

01:05:44.880 description of

01:05:45.520 the woke

01:05:45.780 right was

01:05:46.220 problematic,

01:05:47.480 but he kind

01:05:48.300 of engaged

01:05:48.760 with it anyway,

01:05:49.280 just so he

01:05:50.400 could kind of

01:05:50.900 complain about

01:05:51.560 the things he

01:05:52.000 wants to

01:05:52.260 complain about,

01:05:52.980 which it's

01:05:54.060 not great.

01:05:54.600 It's not

01:05:54.860 great.

01:05:57.820 K Max

01:05:58.500 McDonald said

01:05:59.040 when James

01:05:59.520 Lindsay and

01:05:59.920 Peterson discuss

01:06:00.660 the words in

01:06:01.560 this way,

01:06:01.980 they really

01:06:02.380 might as well

01:06:02.840 say dog

01:06:03.440 spelled

01:06:03.700 backwards is

01:06:04.940 God really

01:06:05.580 makes you

01:06:05.980 think.

01:06:06.420 Should we

01:06:06.940 pray to

01:06:07.320 dogs now?

01:06:08.020 Yeah,

01:06:08.180 I mean,

01:06:08.460 a lot

01:06:08.780 of this

01:06:09.060 is kind

01:06:10.260 of low

01:06:10.920 effort

01:06:11.380 semantical

01:06:12.220 rearrangement.

01:06:14.080 It's a lot

01:06:14.840 of it's a lot

01:06:16.340 of projection

01:06:16.840 and it's a lot

01:06:17.600 of well,

01:06:18.620 if I if I

01:06:19.140 just go back

01:06:20.100 and call

01:06:20.400 everybody a

01:06:20.820 Nazi,

01:06:21.200 eventually this

01:06:21.820 will solve

01:06:22.340 my problem

01:06:23.080 that this

01:06:23.500 creates some

01:06:24.200 kind of,

01:06:25.120 you know,

01:06:26.000 psychological

01:06:28.220 matrix that I

01:06:29.240 can evaluate

01:06:29.740 people with

01:06:30.580 and then dismiss

01:06:31.280 them.

01:06:31.740 It's not

01:06:32.180 great.

01:06:33.940 Elijah

01:06:34.420 Tymon says

01:06:35.300 Oren,

01:06:36.440 you and your

01:06:36.860 fellow woke

01:06:37.320 right Archangel

01:06:38.080 Michael and

01:06:38.660 Joyers need

01:06:39.220 to watch

01:06:39.600 out.

01:06:39.860 James

01:06:40.040 Lindsay is

01:06:40.420 going to

01:06:40.640 give you

01:06:41.120 what for

01:06:42.680 with the

01:06:43.020 NyQuil

01:06:43.440 right?

01:06:43.780 Yeah,

01:06:43.940 I've heard

01:06:44.340 people respond

01:06:44.980 to him.

01:06:45.320 It is the

01:06:45.720 NyQuil

01:06:46.220 right or

01:06:46.600 the sleepy

01:06:47.660 time right,

01:06:48.900 which is

01:06:49.800 pretty funny.

01:06:54.000 Perspicacious

01:06:54.360 heretic says

01:06:54.960 after heeding

01:06:55.640 James words,

01:06:56.440 I try to

01:06:56.880 sleep in now

01:06:57.640 lest I

01:06:58.920 become woke.

01:07:00.040 Yeah,

01:07:00.220 ironically,

01:07:00.940 you know,

01:07:01.220 Jordan Peterson,

01:07:01.860 you got to

01:07:02.120 wake up in

01:07:02.600 the morning,

01:07:03.040 you got to

01:07:03.360 get out of

01:07:03.680 bed,

01:07:03.900 you got to

01:07:04.180 make your

01:07:04.480 bed,

01:07:04.720 you got to

01:07:04.940 clean your

01:07:05.220 room.

01:07:05.820 James Lindsay

01:07:06.320 with the,

01:07:06.780 you know,

01:07:07.340 actually,

01:07:07.740 no,

01:07:07.980 go to

01:07:08.220 sleep.

01:07:08.720 Stay,

01:07:09.040 stay sleepy.

01:07:09.920 Stay,

01:07:10.200 stay sleepy

01:07:10.940 out there,

01:07:11.260 guys.

01:07:12.680 Let's see.

01:07:14.260 Azmuth here.

01:07:15.160 Thank you very

01:07:15.720 much,

01:07:16.020 sir.

01:07:16.260 He says,

01:07:16.800 like many,

01:07:17.680 I had a

01:07:18.560 James Lindsay

01:07:19.400 phase as

01:07:20.860 cringe to me

01:07:21.780 now as the

01:07:22.680 skinny jeans

01:07:23.400 and lip

01:07:23.780 piercing of

01:07:24.300 my teens.

01:07:25.160 No question,

01:07:26.120 just appreciation.

01:07:27.300 So,

01:07:27.760 well,

01:07:27.980 thank you very

01:07:28.420 much,

01:07:28.700 man.

01:07:28.840 I really

01:07:29.100 appreciate your

01:07:29.880 donation and

01:07:31.160 thank you for

01:07:31.660 saying so.

01:07:32.760 Blood

01:07:32.960 based here with

01:07:34.860 just a

01:07:35.580 donation.

01:07:37.080 Thank you

01:07:37.360 very much.

01:07:38.960 Let's see

01:07:39.540 here.

01:07:40.520 Latrina

01:07:41.000 bid it.

01:07:41.860 IRS enforcer

01:07:43.220 says woke

01:07:44.560 was originally

01:07:45.100 coined by

01:07:45.620 Alex Jones

01:07:46.460 when co-opted

01:07:47.180 by the

01:07:47.720 libs.

01:07:48.240 We must

01:07:48.920 embrace woke

01:07:49.560 right and

01:07:50.120 lean into it

01:07:50.880 with JD Vance

01:07:51.720 memes or

01:07:52.180 Shiloh and

01:07:53.400 become far

01:07:54.040 worse than

01:07:54.480 they can

01:07:54.760 imagine.

01:07:55.240 I really

01:07:55.800 again,

01:07:56.180 I don't

01:07:56.900 think you

01:07:57.300 should inhabit

01:07:57.780 the frame of

01:07:58.220 your enemy.

01:07:59.060 I don't

01:07:59.280 think you

01:07:59.580 should take

01:07:59.940 on the

01:08:00.840 woke

01:08:01.020 right

01:08:01.220 moniker,

01:08:01.820 especially,

01:08:02.920 especially,

01:08:03.640 and this is

01:08:03.980 important.

01:08:04.280 I'll stop

01:08:04.640 and say

01:08:04.860 this real

01:08:05.160 quick,

01:08:05.880 especially

01:08:06.300 because James

01:08:07.080 Lindsay is

01:08:07.580 obviously

01:08:08.160 incorporating

01:08:09.020 Christian rhetoric

01:08:10.960 now into his

01:08:12.660 description of the

01:08:13.560 woke right in

01:08:14.120 hopes of

01:08:14.920 basically you

01:08:16.040 have to take

01:08:16.600 if you assume

01:08:17.960 the woke

01:08:18.520 right label,

01:08:19.460 you're basically

01:08:20.140 assuming his

01:08:20.740 label for

01:08:21.240 Satanism.

01:08:22.400 Right?

01:08:22.500 and Carl

01:08:23.120 Benjamin made

01:08:23.720 this point in

01:08:24.720 his video

01:08:25.240 earlier today

01:08:26.520 on this topic

01:08:27.140 that James

01:08:28.200 Lindsay is

01:08:29.120 trying to

01:08:30.160 basically make

01:08:31.920 all of the

01:08:32.560 people he's

01:08:33.000 labeled woke

01:08:33.660 right untenable

01:08:34.440 to Christians

01:08:35.380 because he

01:08:36.260 sees Christians

01:08:37.420 actually recognizing

01:08:38.700 that they need

01:08:39.460 to care about

01:08:41.800 politics,

01:08:42.340 that it actually

01:08:43.020 matters if they

01:08:43.660 win or not,

01:08:44.340 that their

01:08:44.940 values,

01:08:45.620 it's okay if

01:08:46.080 their values are

01:08:46.620 in the public

01:08:46.940 square and he

01:08:47.440 hates that.

01:08:48.420 And so he is

01:08:49.140 starting to weave

01:08:50.100 biblical language

01:08:51.300 into these

01:08:52.540 discussions again

01:08:53.160 even though he

01:08:53.620 doesn't believe

01:08:54.140 it at all,

01:08:54.820 at least last

01:08:55.600 time I've

01:08:55.960 checked,

01:08:56.360 but may James

01:08:57.600 Lindsay come

01:08:58.320 to Christ,

01:08:58.760 all can be

01:08:59.240 saved and I

01:09:00.200 certainly hope

01:09:00.720 that he is,

01:09:01.720 but ultimately

01:09:02.900 he is cynically

01:09:03.900 weaving this

01:09:04.560 in to try

01:09:05.580 to basically

01:09:06.760 get you to

01:09:07.540 assume the

01:09:08.160 position of

01:09:08.800 Lucifer,

01:09:09.400 right?

01:09:10.140 That's what

01:09:10.680 he's doing.

01:09:11.280 So definitely

01:09:11.700 do not embrace

01:09:12.400 a phrase he's

01:09:13.480 loading with

01:09:14.000 that kind of

01:09:14.400 imagery.

01:09:16.200 Cooper Weirdo

01:09:16.920 says,

01:09:17.280 Orrin,

01:09:17.540 if James

01:09:17.920 wanted to come

01:09:18.480 on your show

01:09:18.920 and talk about

01:09:19.520 this,

01:09:19.980 would you have

01:09:20.380 him on?

01:09:20.740 Is it even

01:09:21.140 worth it?

01:09:21.780 Yes,

01:09:22.160 I would,

01:09:22.740 100%,

01:09:23.380 which is why

01:09:23.880 when I was

01:09:24.320 at the art

01:09:24.720 conference,

01:09:25.120 I walked up

01:09:25.780 to James

01:09:26.180 and attempted

01:09:26.600 to shake

01:09:27.040 his hand,

01:09:27.740 as I do

01:09:28.160 to some

01:09:28.420 other people

01:09:28.860 who had

01:09:29.180 had some

01:09:29.740 beef with

01:09:30.740 me on

01:09:31.100 the old

01:09:31.600 Twitter.

01:09:32.360 And those

01:09:32.600 other people

01:09:33.060 were more

01:09:33.880 than happy

01:09:34.240 to talk to

01:09:35.020 me for a

01:09:35.340 little bit,

01:09:35.640 and even

01:09:35.860 if we didn't

01:09:36.260 work everything

01:09:36.760 out,

01:09:37.340 they were

01:09:37.620 at least

01:09:37.940 somewhat

01:09:39.300 personable

01:09:40.140 in real life.

01:09:41.120 James

01:09:41.400 immediately

01:09:41.800 just kind

01:09:42.180 of ran

01:09:42.380 away.

01:09:42.700 He said

01:09:42.980 something

01:09:43.200 about being

01:09:43.660 busy

01:09:43.940 and just

01:09:44.260 walked

01:09:44.540 away.

01:09:45.320 Which,

01:09:45.800 you know,

01:09:45.980 Jordan Peterson

01:09:51.140 lose that

01:09:51.940 impulse when

01:09:52.560 they're in

01:09:52.840 person.

01:09:53.300 And funny

01:09:53.920 enough,

01:09:54.380 James also

01:09:55.160 had that

01:09:56.220 impulse.

01:09:57.220 The minute

01:09:57.780 we were in

01:09:58.420 person together,

01:09:59.680 James just

01:10:00.440 didn't want

01:10:00.780 to talk.

01:10:01.240 I can't

01:10:01.620 imagine why.

01:10:03.880 Let's see

01:10:04.500 here.

01:10:05.920 Bloodbase

01:10:06.280 says,

01:10:06.500 Jordan Peterson

01:10:06.980 is narcissistic

01:10:08.240 and terminally

01:10:08.900 online.

01:10:09.660 Well,

01:10:10.080 to be fair,

01:10:11.280 many of us

01:10:12.120 are terminally

01:10:12.620 online,

01:10:13.180 especially when

01:10:13.720 your job

01:10:14.080 is to talk

01:10:15.140 online.

01:10:16.340 And again,

01:10:17.180 I think Jordan

01:10:17.940 has been through

01:10:18.400 a lot of

01:10:18.720 very difficult

01:10:19.180 stuff.

01:10:19.860 I'm not

01:10:20.480 trying to

01:10:21.260 say he

01:10:23.420 hasn't made

01:10:23.760 mistakes.

01:10:24.420 I'm not

01:10:24.700 trying to

01:10:25.220 excuse

01:10:25.860 moments like

01:10:27.440 this where

01:10:27.940 I think he

01:10:28.380 engages in

01:10:29.420 some pretty

01:10:29.740 bad behavior,

01:10:30.620 trying to

01:10:31.160 talk about

01:10:31.940 the danger

01:10:32.920 of Nazis

01:10:33.560 and disgust

01:10:34.060 mechanism and

01:10:34.700 then calling

01:10:35.160 his enemies

01:10:35.620 parasites and

01:10:37.000 psychopaths.

01:10:37.680 He should

01:10:38.180 know better.

01:10:39.260 He clearly

01:10:40.000 does because

01:10:40.540 he's explaining

01:10:41.160 the phenomenon.

01:10:42.660 And so

01:10:43.060 it's pretty

01:10:43.820 disappointing to

01:10:44.380 see him engage

01:10:44.840 in that.

01:10:47.260 What the

01:10:47.980 EGAD says

01:10:48.960 is finding

01:10:50.100 humor,

01:10:50.480 in a

01:10:51.040 situation

01:10:51.540 anathema.

01:10:52.420 It would

01:10:52.600 appear so.

01:10:53.960 It would

01:10:54.120 appear so.

01:10:55.960 Philosophical

01:10:56.440 Thirstworm

01:10:56.980 says,

01:10:57.620 I'm regulated

01:10:58.600 in my

01:10:59.180 utterances,

01:10:59.860 said the

01:11:00.300 Benzo addict

01:11:01.080 who tweets

01:11:01.740 in tongues

01:11:03.240 past 2 a.m.

01:11:04.800 Jordan needs

01:11:05.200 to regulate

01:11:05.520 his drug

01:11:05.900 habit and

01:11:06.820 James his

01:11:07.340 food habit.

01:11:07.860 Again,

01:11:08.180 I don't

01:11:08.500 want to be

01:11:08.780 mean to

01:11:09.120 everybody.

01:11:11.120 Obviously,

01:11:11.880 Peterson has

01:11:12.440 had some

01:11:12.800 problems with

01:11:13.240 that in the

01:11:13.500 past.

01:11:14.420 Again,

01:11:14.980 I would like

01:11:15.460 this to be

01:11:16.180 pointing out

01:11:16.980 the problems

01:11:17.600 with the way

01:11:18.160 they are using

01:11:18.660 the rhetoric

01:11:19.160 and the way

01:11:19.540 they are

01:11:19.820 defining

01:11:20.220 people,

01:11:20.820 not making

01:11:21.200 fun of

01:11:21.480 people because

01:11:22.100 of personal

01:11:23.040 life issues

01:11:23.680 or physical

01:11:24.480 appearance or

01:11:24.900 anything like

01:11:25.240 that.

01:11:25.500 I don't want

01:11:25.860 to be treated

01:11:26.180 that way,

01:11:27.180 so I'm going

01:11:27.420 to try not

01:11:27.820 to treat

01:11:28.140 these people

01:11:28.940 that way.

01:11:29.440 Even though

01:11:29.760 they're saying

01:11:30.180 mean things,

01:11:31.280 I'm going to

01:11:31.880 try to keep

01:11:32.260 my critique at

01:11:33.100 least in the

01:11:33.520 realm of the

01:11:34.500 way that they

01:11:35.140 are using

01:11:35.580 rhetoric and

01:11:36.220 the way they're

01:11:36.620 deploying their

01:11:37.420 strategies rather

01:11:38.960 than their

01:11:39.820 personal attacks

01:11:40.680 there.

01:11:41.260 I don't think

01:11:42.520 that's becoming

01:11:43.720 even though

01:11:44.380 obviously nobody

01:11:47.600 is perfect,

01:11:48.240 I suppose.

01:11:49.380 CB says,

01:11:50.580 Jordan used

01:11:51.200 to understand

01:11:51.840 play and took

01:11:52.560 the Kermit

01:11:52.860 the Frog

01:11:53.200 thing well.

01:11:55.920 Wish he could

01:11:56.380 be the one

01:11:56.760 explaining it to

01:11:57.900 James and

01:11:58.660 Ben.

01:11:59.000 Yeah, that

01:11:59.380 would be really

01:11:59.940 nice, right?

01:12:00.980 This is a guy

01:12:01.740 who has talked

01:12:02.320 very often about

01:12:03.600 the importance

01:12:04.060 of the Joker

01:12:04.580 archetype and the

01:12:05.360 need to be able

01:12:05.800 to be playful

01:12:06.500 and to question

01:12:07.840 power and

01:12:08.500 sometimes the

01:12:09.220 gesture is the

01:12:10.280 only one who

01:12:10.900 can point

01:12:11.320 out the

01:12:11.640 flaws, but he

01:12:12.920 doesn't see that

01:12:13.500 in his own

01:12:13.960 behavior, right?

01:12:14.780 He doesn't see

01:12:15.300 that these

01:12:15.880 anonymous jesters

01:12:16.880 are pointing

01:12:17.380 out real

01:12:18.400 problems sometimes

01:12:19.520 to him, not

01:12:19.920 always, right?

01:12:21.060 But the problem

01:12:21.480 is he's taking

01:12:22.500 it all in, he's

01:12:23.780 not filtering,

01:12:25.060 right?

01:12:25.520 So he can't

01:12:26.400 take some of

01:12:27.040 it as reasonable

01:12:27.860 criticism that's

01:12:28.900 chastising him

01:12:29.620 back into better

01:12:30.280 behavior, and

01:12:31.520 then he can't

01:12:31.940 dismiss the stuff

01:12:32.560 that is actually

01:12:33.100 just malicious.

01:12:34.320 And that's a

01:12:34.940 big problem.

01:12:35.820 Look, having a

01:12:36.440 big online presence

01:12:37.360 is, you know,

01:12:38.700 I'm not going to

01:12:39.120 complain here,

01:12:39.840 obviously.

01:12:40.440 Like, I love

01:12:40.940 my job, I love

01:12:41.600 my position, but

01:12:43.120 it's not, you

01:12:43.980 know, it's not

01:12:44.480 without its

01:12:44.980 pitfalls.

01:12:45.840 It's not that

01:12:46.640 it's all rainbows

01:12:47.840 and sunshine.

01:12:48.340 It's not that

01:12:48.900 there aren't real

01:12:49.620 issues, especially

01:12:50.540 when it comes to

01:12:52.080 like your outlook

01:12:52.720 and the way that

01:12:53.360 you kind of let

01:12:54.560 things into your

01:12:55.640 life, into your

01:12:56.640 personal life, and

01:12:57.220 all these things.

01:12:57.940 That is a

01:12:58.560 difficult to

01:12:58.980 navigate.

01:12:59.600 So I don't

01:13:00.160 want to just

01:13:00.520 dismiss that for

01:13:01.980 some of these

01:13:02.680 guys, but it

01:13:03.300 would be nice if

01:13:03.900 Jordan recognized

01:13:04.700 his own points,

01:13:05.740 as you're saying

01:13:07.060 there.

01:13:07.320 All right, guys,

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - May 07, 2025

The Kids Are Woke Right! ｜ 5⧸7⧸25

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